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OKAY, Y'ALL READY TO START CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AND WE'LL HAVE A PRAYER BY 11 STEPHEN PILES, THE CORNERSTONE CHURCH.
AND WHAT WOULD I HAVE ON MY FATHER? YOU GIVE HER ALL GOOD THINGS.
THANKS FOR THE GOOD LIFE YOU HAVE GIVEN US.
WE ENJOY AND SEDATED, WE GIVE THANKS FOR HIS HERITAGE OR HIS PAST, AND ALSO THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR GREATER SERVICE TO OUR LEADERS, DEARBORN VISION OF POSSIBILITIES THAT MAY BE SATISFIED WITH THE PRESENT.
ALWAYS STRIVE FOR GREATER FULFILLMENT.
HERE NOW, WHEREAS THE PRESENT SOME SERVICE CERTIFICATES AND WHERE ARE THEY? AND THIS IS THE FUN PART, WHICH BY THE WAY, I'VE HAD TWO PEOPLE TELL ME THIS WEEK, THEY WATCH THIS THING ON TV AND IT'S DEFINING
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A THING ON TV, BUT I KEEP TELLING THEM WE'RE TRYING TO BE SICK.SO THERE'S NOT A REAL GOOD COMPLIMENT.
BUT ANYWAY, UH, THIS IS THE REQUEST AND PETITION OF CITIZENS.
SO ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO AIR IT OUT, COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR RESIDENCE.
I'M SURE THAT ALL OF YOU UNDERSTAND WHY I'M HERE, BECAUSE THIS IS THE THIRD YEAR THAT I'VE REQUESTED THAT YOU CHANGED THE CHART AND THE AMOUNT OF REPLACING THE BOARD MEMBER OR THE MAYOR.
WELL, SOME REASON YOU HAVE NOT DONE.
SO I UNDERSTAND FROM THE CITY MANAGER, THAT FEW OTHER THINGS THAT YOU NEED TO CHANGE IN THE CHARTER, THAT YOU MIGHT DO THIS TO LEGISLATORS IN SESSION.
AND I ASKED THAT THAT BEING ONE OF THEM, IT IS NOT WRONG.
WELL, YOU NEED TO SIT HERE AND I CHOOSE SOMEBODY TO BE AT ALL.
WHEN YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THAT PRECINCT, THAT'S IT.
AND I'M ASKING THIS TIME, IF YOU DO NOT THAT SOMEBODY WRITE ME A LETTER, EXPLAIN THEM TO ME, WHY YOU WILL NOT DO IT.
THE SECOND THING IS ANNEXATION.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE ASSOCIATION OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MAY INTRODUCE A BILL, THIS SESSION AND LEGISLATION TO CHANGE THE METHOD OF MEDIC SESSION AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE GAUGED IT THE WAY IT'S DONE.
IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE BECAUSE YOU SITTING UP THERE TO DO WHAT IS BEST FOR THE CITY OF NEW.
IF THE METHOD OF ANNEXATION IS CHANGED TO PETITION, THEY WILL KILL THE GROWTH OF EVERY CITY IN NORTH CAROLINA INCLUDE.
I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THE BASIS OF THE GOVERNMENT IS YOU HAVE TAX SPACE.
IF YOU CANNOT INCREASE YOUR TAX BASE, NO WONDER WHY YOU EVER GET ONE IS TO INCREASE TAXES.
AND I'M SURE YOU WOULD WANT NOT WANT TO DO THAT.
YOU WILL SELL AS WELL AS THE CITIZENS OF NEWARK.
SO I'M ASKING YOU THAT IF THIS BILL IS INTRODUCED, BUT THOSE BOYS TAKE THE LEAD AND CALLING A MEETING OF THE FLUIDS OF EVERY COOPERATIVE TOWN IN CRAVEN COUNTY, HAVING A MEETING HERE AND INVITING THE ENTIRE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONS, NOT JUST AT THE CHANNEL, COME AND EXPLAIN TO YOU WHY THEY WANT TO DO THIS, DO NOT GO TO THEIR PLACE.
YOU'RE A GOOD EXAMPLE OF HOW ELECTRIC CAN CHANGE HIS SPOTS.
YOU JUMPED UP AND DOWN AND IT DIDN'T WORK.
AND NOW I UNDERSTAND EVERY TOWN THERE IS MEANING YOU GO, THANK YOU.
I SUGGEST THIS THE LAST TIME I WAS THAT A STUDY BEING DONE TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED IT.
I UNDERSTAND IT HAS NOT BEEN DONE.
WHAT'S HIS NAME PICK PICK, UH, IS RESIGNING FROM THE SPREAD JOB.
IF YOU WANT TO GET HIM, YOU DO THE STUDY.
NOT SAYING THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE DONE.
AND THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN DO IT, THERE WAS A STUDY
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BY SOMEBODY THAT KNOWS ABOUT FIVE.ANY COMMENTS? WELL, I THINK THAT, DO WE COME, COME IN SEVEN TIMES AND MAKE IT MEET THE SAME KINDS OF COMMENTS EXPRESSING THE SAME KINDS OF CONCERNS? I THINK THAT IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO LOOK INTO.
I THINK SOMEONE IS LOOKING TO THE FULL-TIME.
WE ARE LOOKING AT, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE POSSIBILITY OF, UH, PROVIDING A SUPPLEMENTAL FORCE THAT WOULD RESPOND, UH, TO ASSIST THE VOLUNTEERS, BUT NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A FOOL, FIREFIGHTING CONTINGENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WHEN DURING THE DAYTIME, IT'S HARD TO GET VOLUNTEERS SOMETIMES TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND QUICKLY TO THE FIRES.
I THINK THAT A GENUINE CONCERN TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE REQUESTS THAT THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ARE MAKING IN REGARDS TO ANNEXATION AND NOT NECESSARILY HAVING TO LOBBY AGAINST THAT OR REPRESENT THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF UBER.
WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR CONCERNS ARE EXPRESSED TO OUR REPRESENTATIVES.
I THINK THERE'S STILL A MENTALITY.
A LOT OF TIMES WHEN PEOPLE BECOME A PART OF THE CITY THAT THEY'RE NO LONGER A PART OF THE COUNTY, AND THAT'S A MISCONCEPTION THAT WE'VE GOT TO CHANGE.
I THINK SOME, SOME COUNTY COME WHEN I'M NOT SPEAKING NECESSARILY ABOUT OUR OWN COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, BUT ACROSS THE STATE.
I THINK THAT THEY, UH, I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO SAY THE ANNEX IS IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S BECOME PART OF THE STATE AND THEY'VE LOST IT AS PART OF THE COUNTY WHEN IN FACT THAT'S NOT TRUE.
SO I THINK THAT'S CAUSE A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS I DON'T UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE VOTING THAT MR. COX WAS TALKING ABOUT.
WHAT DID HE WANT? WHAT EXACTLY IS HE TALKING ABOUT? I THINK HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE PROCEDURE FOR FILLING VACANCIES.
WHEN ONE OCCURS ON THE BOARD AT PRESENT THE MAYOR AND BOARD, UH, APPOINT THE PERSON TO HOLD THAT, UH, FILL THAT VACANCY FOR THE UNEXPIRED TERM, I SUPPOSE.
AND, UH, WHAT HE'S PROPOSING IS A SPECIAL ELECTION BE CALLED FOR THAT PRECINCT TO DETERMINE THAT PERSON SINCE BOARDS ARE REPRESENTED STRICTLY BY THE PER ED PERSON RESIDING IN THAT WARD.
SO HE'S SAYING THAT APPOINTING A PERSON, THIS BOARD APPOINTING A PERSON TO REPRESENT ANY PRECINCT MEANS THAT NO ONE REPRESENTING THOSE PEOPLE HAVE A SAY IN WHO IS ACTUALLY GOING TO FILL THAT POSITION.
I THINK THE GOVERNOR POINTS IN WHAT HAPPENS IF A SIGN UP TODAY AND MOST IS HOW THE RULE THAT WE HAVE NOW, THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING.
IN OTHER WORDS, CONGRESS AND SENATORS ARE APPOINTED.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE COULD HAVE A SPECIAL ELECTION, BUT I GUESS EVERYBODY, ANYBODY ELSE? NOBODY ELSE.
JANE, HOW COULD YOU TELL BY THE BAR? I COULDN'T TELL IF SHE, IF SHE CALLED HER.
UM, IN 1990, WHEN WE HAD THE URBAN DESIGN PLAN DEVELOPED, PART OF IT, UM, ADDRESSED A LOT OF NEEDS IN THE DOWNTOWN.
AND ONE OF THOSE WAS TO DEVELOP MORE PEDESTRIAN LINKAGES WITHIN THE BLACK STUDENT, COURAGE, A LOT OF PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC.
WE HAVE SOME WITH THE CHURCH ALLEY IN BEAR PLAZA, BUT ALONG THE 300 BLOCK, UM, POLIC STREET, UM, IT WAS RECOMMENDED THAT IF THE POOL HALL EVER BECAME AVAILABLE, THAT, THAT, UM, IF THAT COULD BE PURCHASED AND DEMOLISHED TO ACCOMMODATE ANY LINKAGE INTO THE INTERIOR BLOCK, IT WOULD REALLY BE BENEFICIAL BECAUSE MANY OF THE BUSINESSES ON THAT BLOCK DO NOT HAVE REAR ENTRIES AND THERE'S REAL, NO CORRIDOR THERE.
UM, THE PLAN ALSO ADDRESS OTHER BLOCKS, BUT IN, UM, ALONG THE 300 BLOCK OF MIDDLE STREET, IT ALSO IDENTIFIED A PEDESTRIAN CORRIDOR THAT WOULD BE THROUGH THE CROSS BUILDING IF THAT EVER WAS POSSIBLE.
BUT THE MUNICIPAL SERVICE DISTRICT ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WHICH WAS FAIR COORDINATES APPROVED OF THE PLAN AND WHEN AN OPPORTUNITY BECAME AVAILABLE SEVERAL YEARS AGO TO ACQUIRE THE POOL HALL, UM, THE COMMITTEE APPROVED THE PURCHASE OF THAT.
AND, UM, FROM THAT POINT, THEN LOOKED AT HOW THAT SITE COULD BE DEVELOPED.
UM, SWISS BEAR HIRED ALISON FLATTEN
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ASSOCIATES TO DEVELOP DESIGN FOR THAT SPACE.UM, THE PLAN REALLY IS ONE THAT IT, AT THE TIME THAT THIS WAS DEVELOPED, YOU COULD HEAR ME.
I KNOW MY AT THE TIME, UM, SHE WAS ALSO DEVELOPING THE STREETSCAPES.
AND SO THE IDEA WAS TO UTILIZE A LOT OF EXISTING BRICK THAT WOULD BE TAKEN UP FROM THE STREETS OF NEWBURN ON MIDDLE STREET, AS WELL AS WHENEVER POSSIBLE TO ACCOMMODATE, MOVING SOME OF THE LANDSCAPING AND SAVING IT FOR THIS PLANT.
NOW, THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW, AS WELL AS, UM, A SIDE VIEW.
UM, THE COST ARE THEY MUNICIPAL SERVICE DISTRICT ADVISORY COMMITTEE APPROVED OF THE PLAN? IT WAS ALSO, UM, APPROVED.
WE RECEIVED A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FROM THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION AND THE PROJECT, UM, WAS ESTIMATED TO COST AROUND $60,000.
UM, FINDING MONEY THAT WOULD ENHANCE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PROJECT, OF COURSE WAS ONE OF THE CHALLENGE IS THE OTHER CHALLENGE WAS TO FIND A NAME THAT WOULD REALLY BE APPROPRIATE FOR THAT.
ELLIE, IF YOU HAVE LOOKED SINCE IT'S BEEN DEMOLISHED, IF YOU STAND AT THE REAR OF THE INTERIOR CORE OF THE PUBLIC STREET OR FEDERAL ALLEY, I'M SORRY.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT AREA ACTUALLY FRAMES THE STEEPLE OF THE EPISCOPAL CHURCH.
ALSO, IF YOU JUST TURN TO THE RIGHT, YOU'LL SEE THAT CHURCH ALLEY ALSO FRAMES THE FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH.
SO IT'S REALLY A BEAUTIFUL LITTLE AMENITY, JUST, JUST IN THAT RESPECT.
UM, THE REVEREND DEAD SHARP HAS BEEN THE RECTOR OF, UH, HE'S NOW RETIRED, BUT HE WAS THE RECTOR OF THE CHRIST EPISCOPAL CHURCH FOR MORE THAN 30 YEARS.
HE WAS EXTREMELY SUPPORTIVE OF THE DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION EFFORT THROUGH MY 10 YEARS OF BEING HERE WITH THE SWISS BEER AND IN TRYING TO COME UP WITH A NAME THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THAT AREA.
ONE THAT WOULD REALLY RECOGNIZE SOMEBODY THAT WAS SIGNIFICANT IN NEWBURN AND GRAVEN COUNTY'S HISTORY.
I THOUGHT WHO, BUT HAD CHART COULD POSSIBLY PROVIDE THAT KIND OF RESEARCH.
I TALKED WITH BRETHREN, REVEREND SHARP, AND HE SAID THAT HE WOULD LOOK INTO THE RESEARCH OF IT.
UM, AND I WOULD LIKE TO NOW TURN THE PODIUM OVER TO THE REVEREND CHART BECAUSE NOT ONLY AS HE'D COME UP WITH SOME RESEARCH, UM, WITH THE RECOMMENDATION FOR A NAME, FOR WHAT WOULD BE THAT AREA.
UM, BUT HE ALSO HAS, UM, GONE BEYOND THAT AND COME UP WITH SOME OTHER GOOD NEWS THAT I'LL LET HIM TELL YOU ABOUT, UM, THAT COULD REALLY INITIATE THAT PROJECT WITH THAT.
UM, WE HOPE THAT YOU WILL SANCTION, UM, THE NAME THAT HAS BEEN RESEARCHED AS WELL AS IN THE OTHER NEWS AND SO THAT WE COULD INITIATE THIS PROJECT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
AND WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO CHART THANK YOU, SUSAN, MR. MAYOR, LADY AND GENTLEMEN, THE BOARD.
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO APPEAR BEFORE YOU TONIGHT ABOUT A PROJECT THAT EXCITES ME A GREAT DEAL.
FIRST OF ALL, FOR WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE IN THAT SPACE TO CREATE A SPACE BETWEEN THOSE TWO BUILDINGS, WHERE THEY ALL POOL.
ALL OF US, THAT'S BEEN A DREAM OF MINE FOR SEVERAL YEARS TO SEE THAT SPACE, THAT FULL HALL, UH, TORN THAT WHEN SUSAN AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PLANS FOR THAT SPACE, UH, SHE SHOWED ME THIS LANDSCAPE DESIGN POSSIBILITY, WHICH EXCITED ME GREATLY.
SHE ASKED ME ALSO TO THINK ABOUT A PROPER NAME FOR THAT ALLEY ANYWAY, AFTER GIVING IT A LOT OF THOUGHT, I WENT BACK TO SUSAN AND TOLD HER I HAD A BRAINSTORM AND I WANTED TO KNOW IF I WERE OFF BASE OR COMPLETELY OUT OF MY MIND, BUT THIS IS WHAT I CAME UP WITH.
HE FELT THAT I WAS HAD COME UP WITH A GOOD IDEA AND A GOOD PLAN.
I THINK WE ARE GIVEN AN UNPARALLELED OPPORTUNITY TO HONOR A PERSON WHO FIGURED VERY PROMINENTLY AND THE EARLY HISTORY OF OUR TIME AND WHO LEFT AN IMPRINT
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IN OUR CITY AND IN THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA, PERHAPS EQUAL TO BY A FEW, UH, OF NEWBURGH.UM, SPEAKING OF THE REVEREND JAMES REED, WHO WAS THE FIRST DIRECTOR OF PRICE CHARTS.
AND THAT'S NOT THE SIGNIFICANT THING ABOUT THAT MAN, OR THAT THERE ARE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO TAKE A LOOK AT TONIGHT INSTEAD OF HONORING.
HE HAD A GREAT INTEREST IN PUBLIC EDUCATION AT A TIME WHEN THERE WAS NO PUBLIC EDUCATION IN THE PROVINCE OF NORTH CAROLINA OR REALLY ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE CALL ON US, HE SPOKE TO PROVINCIAL GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF A PROVINCE AND 17, SIX TO TWO ABOUT THE NEED FOR PUBLIC EDUCATION.
THE REVEREND MR. REED RECOGNIZED THAT THE GOOD HEALTH AND WELLBEING OF THIS LITTLE TAB AND OF NORTH CAROLINA WAS DEPENDENT UPON AN EDUCATED CITIZENRY AND THE YOUNG PEOPLE DID NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR EDUCATION DON'T KNOW THE WEALTH THEY COULD AFFORD.
THEY LIVE IN THE, OR COULD AFFORD TO SEND THEIR CHILDREN ELSEWHERE.
I RECEIVED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, THE ROYAL GOVERNOR SOUGHT TO GET ASSISTANCE FROM THE CROWN IN ENGLAND FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE TO BEGIN THE SCHOOL AND DO THEM, BUT, AND JANE HAD MORE IMPORTANT THINGS ON HIS MIND.
HE THOUGHT IN A WAY IN 17 64, 2 YEARS LATER UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF JAMES REED, THE FIRST PUBLIC SCHOOL IN NORTH CAROLINA WAS ESTABLISHED AND NEW, BUT IT WAS A STRUGGLE.
TWO YEARS LATER IN 1766, THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY RECOGNIZED THE SCHOOL AND CHARTERED IT, INCORPORATING IT.
THE SCHOOL HAD A HEADMASTER WHO HAD COME FROM ENGLAND, THOMAS TOMLINSON BY NAME WHO WAS HERE WHEN THE SCHOOL OPENED IN JANUARY OF 76, 64.
AND HE CONTINUED WITH THE SCHOOL FOR APPROXIMATELY 10 YEARS AND 17, SIX TO EIGHT.
A BUILDING WAS FINALLY COMPLETED.
THEY STARTED ON THE BUILDING AND 17, SIX TO SIX MONDAY WAS HARD TO COME BY.
JAMES RATES, SWEATING, SWEATING SO HARD.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, HE GAVE PACK OF EIGHT YEARS SALARY AND THE CLERGY IN THOSE DAYS, A FEW THAT WERE RECEIVED MUCH LESS PAY THAN I RECEIVED.
WHEN I WAS IN ACTIVE MINISTRY.
HE GAVE HALF OF A YEAR SALARY FOR THE PURCHASE OF BRICKS TO BUILD CHIN IS FOR THAT SCHOOL.
THE SCHOOL WAS BUILT ON THE CORNER OF NEW AND HANCOCK STREETS COMPLETED IN 1768.
THAT IS THE SITE OF THE PRESENT YOU'RE GOING TO CABINET.
AND THEN FROM 1768 UNTIL THIS DAY, THAT SITE HAS BEEN OCCUPIED BY A SCHOOL BUILDING SET FOR A PERIOD OF ABOUT 10 YEARS WHEN IT WAS BURNED IN THE 1790S.
AND IT TOOK SOME TIME TO REPLACE IT.
THE SCHOOL WAS REORGANIZED AFTER THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION IN THOSE HARD TIMES.
AND IN 1784, THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, THE GAIN INCORPORATED ASSISTED IN THE REORGANIZATION OF IT AND GAVE IT THE NAME NEWARK ACADEMY.
THE ACADEMY THAT SCHOOL CONTINUED THERE UNTIL IT WAS BURNED AND THEN DEPRESSED.
AND EVEN THE CLASS THAT WAS BUILT IN 1810, AND THAT BUILDING SERVED THE CHILDREN OF NEWBURN FOR MORE THAN 150 YEARS, IT HAS BEEN MORE THAN 230 YEARS SINCE JAMES RAID ESTABLISHED THE FIRST SCHOOL HE HAS RECEIVED NO PUBLIC RECOGNITION, ONLY THE HISTORIANS KNOW WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF PUBLIC EDUCATION IN NEW ZEALAND AND NORTH CAROLINA.
I WOULD LIKE VERY MUCH TO SAY THAT SPACE BETWEEN THOSE TWO
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BUILDINGS THAT HAS JUST BEEN CREATED NAMED IN HONOR OF THIS GREAT MAN.AND THAT'D BE CALLED THE JAMES REED LANE.
I THINK LANE IS AN APPROPRIATE NAME.
IT WAS VERY COMMON WHEN THEY USED OR SMALL ROADS ON PATHWAYS IN THE 18TH AND 19TH CENTURY.
EVEN IN RURAL AMERICA, I CAN REMEMBER IN THE COUNTRIES WHERE I GREW UP IN, UH, LANES, AND THEN WE'LL CALL THEM LAYMAN'S AND THAT'S NOT MUCH MORE THAN THE LINE OF JAMES REED.
JAMES REED DIED IN 1777 AND HE WAS BURIED IN THE CHURCH ARE PRICED TO POST-SURGICAL CHART.
CHURCH IS GRADE GRAVE IS PRESERVED THERE, APPROPRIATE MARKER.
AND THE GRAVE OF THOMAS TOMLINSON.
THE FIRST SCHOOL MASTER IS IN CEDAR GROVE CEMETERY.
HE HAD DIED IN 18 TWO AND WAS BURIED JUST TWO YEARS AFTER THAT CEMETERY WAS OPENED.
HIS GRAVE HAS A PROMISE SPACE THERE AS YOU IN TO THE MAIN GATE GATE ON QUEEN STREET.
AS SOON AS YOU GET INSIDE ON THE LEFT OF THE PAD, RIGHT ON NEXT TO THE PATH, IT'S A GRAY, THIS MAN I'M PLAYING TO MARK DOES NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT HIS SERVICE AS THE FIRST SCHOOL MASS, UH, HOPE THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY WILL DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.
I WOULD PROPOSE THAT IF THIS BOARD IS, LOOKS WITH FAVOR OR ON THIS PROPOSAL, THAT A BRONZE PLAQUE REPLACED ON ONE OF THE WALLS THAT YOU ADD UP THE LANE FROM POLISH STRAIGHT WITH AN INSCRIPTION THAT WOULD READ SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND MEMORIAL AND THE REVEREND JAMES REED, FIRST RECTOR OF CHRIST OR FISCAL FOR CHURCH 70 53 17, 7 TO SEVEN.
HE LED IN ESTABLISHING A SCHOOL AND DUBIN IN 1764, WHICH BY AN ACT OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND 17, SIX TO SIX BECAME THE FIRST INCORPORATED SCHOOL IN THE PROVINCE.
THE FIRST SCHOOL BUILDING WAS COMPLETED IN 1768 ON THE CORNER OF NEWBORN I'M NEW IN HANCOCK STREETS.
THE SMUGGLER WAS REORGANIZED AFTER THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR IN 1784 AS A NEWBORN ACADEMY, THE PRESIDENT ACADEMY BUILDING WAS COMPLETED IN 1810 ON THE ORIGINAL SITE, CONSERVED NEWBORNS CHILDREN FOR MORE THAN 150 YEARS, THE REVEREND MR. REED DIED IN 1777 AND HIS IS LOCATED IN CHRIST CHURCH YARD, PRICE SHIRTS, CHURCH YARD BESIDE THE MIDDLE STREET AND FENCE THE GRAVE OF THOMAS TOMLINSON, 17 32 18 0 2 FIRST SCHOOL MASTER.
THE FIRST SCHOOL WAS IN CEDAR GROVE CEMETERY ON THE LEFT OF THE PATH, THE MAIN ENTRANCE ON QUEEN STREET, BY THE WAY, THE HISTORICAL LOCKER AND FRONT OF THE RESTORED DUBIN ACADEMY BUILDING AS I'M AT TWO FACTS LISTED ONLINE.
AND THAT WAS THE DATA AT THE INCORPORATION OF THE SCHOOL IN 1766 AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PRESENT BUILDING IN 18, 10, NOTHING ELSE, NOTHING ABOUT JAMES REED OR THE BEGINNING OF THE FIRST SCHOOL, TWO YEARS BEFORE THE INCORPORATION, THIS PROVIDES FULL DAY.
I'D LIKE TO SEE A MAN THAT WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT.
AND MOST OF US THAT HE'D BE REMEMBERED BECAUSE WE OWE A LOT TO IT.
I'M A PRODUCT OF PUBLIC SCHOOLS, AS MOST OF YOU ARE.
I WANTED TO SHARE THIS WITH SOME FRIENDS OF MINE AND ALSO TO DETERMINE IF I MIGHT RAISE SOME MONEY FOR THE PROJECT.
AND I, DON'T WHY MONEY RAISING I FOR 40 YEARS OF MY PROFESSIONAL LIFE, I HAVE TRAINED OTHERS TO CLYDE AND RAISING MONEY, BUT I HAVEN'T HAD TO DO IT MYSELF.
I'VE TALKED TO ABOUT 12 PEOPLE, UM, ABOUT NINE DREAMING ABOUT WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN ACCOMPLISHED AND WHAT MINE STILL PART OF THAT PLAN AND ASK IF THEY WERE WILLING TO SUPPORT
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IT, THEY'RE WILLING TO SUPPORT IT TO THE TUNE OF THE PLEDGE, A DOLLARS.I DIDN'T GET A SINGLE TURNDOWN.
12 PEOPLE PLEDGED $22,000 FOR THAT PROJECT AND THAT MONEY CAN BE GONE TOMORROW.
UM, NOTHING BUT ENTHUSIASM DID I MAKE, UM, GREAT DEAL AND GENEROSITY.
AND SO I LEAVE THIS PROPOSAL TO YOU, JAMES REED LANE, WHERE THE DOWN PAYMENT OF $22,000 FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT SPACE.
AND I HOPE YOU RECEIVE IT TOO.
WE TAKE IT AND WE'LL GO ON WITH IT.
THANK YOU FOR LETTING THE CON WOULD YOU CONSIDER MAKING 12 MORE PHONE CALLS YOU DID SO WELL, WOULD YOU MAKE 12? DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENT OR LET'S HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS IT SAYS HERE THE CITY WOULD NEED TO DO ABOUT $25,000 WORTH OF BIN KIND SERVICES.
WOULD THERE BE A PROBLEM WITH THAT? NO, NO.
I, I THINK THAT, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD BEAR THE EXPENSE BECAUSE THE PEOPLE DOING THE WORK, WE WOULDN'T BE PAYING THEM, BUT WE'D BE PAYING THEM TO DO SOMETHING ELSE ALSO.
SO I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM IN THAT.
SUFFICIENT FUNDS WILL BE IN THE SERVICE DIRECTORY.
I'M READING THIS THING AS I GO ALONG, WE'LL NEED TO ADVANCE AT LEAST SOME OF THE MONEY FOR THE PROJECT.
NO, WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT FINANCIALLY IF THE BOARD'S WILLING TO DO IT.
AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD, UH, THERE'S UH, THIS PROJECT WE'LL PROBABLY RUN RIGHT INTO THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
AND IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, THE MUNICIPAL SERVICE DISTRICT WILL HAVE SUFFICIENT FUNDS TO PAY IT.
THIS WILL JUST ALLOW US TO SPEED THE PROJECT UP THAT MUCH FASTER.
WELL, I LOOKED DOWN THERE AND I SEE THIS, THERE WAS A POOL ROOM DOWN THAT WAS CLOSED UP.
I SEE WHAT YOU PROPOSE AND BELIEVE YOU, ONCE YOU PROPOSE IS WHAT NUBER NEEDS.
OUR DOWNTOWN IS AS CLEAN AND DECENT AS WE CAN MAKE IT TO MAKE PEOPLE WHEN THEY FEEL GOOD TO COME DOWNTOWN.
AND, UH, I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS AND SUPPORT THIS WHOLE HEARTEDLY.
I'M VERY MUCH IMPRESSED THE CONGRESSMAN.
SO MR B, HOWEVER, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE INPUT IN THAT DECISION, AND THAT WAS ONE ALREADY THAT THIS IS UP TO US TO NAME IT, OR IS IT WHO SUPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A COMMUNITY PROJECT THAT MAYBE THE COMMUNITY MIGHT HAVE SOME INPUT WHO SHOULD, WHOSE NAME THERE'S NO PUBLIC RECOGNITION POPS THREE WAYS.
I WOULDN'T BE WANTING TO TERM, AND I DON'T HAVE ANOTHER NAME OTHER THAN MR. THE IS JUST AS TRUE TO BE AS, AS ANOTHER ANCHORS IS MADE BASED ON THAT TO, TO SAY CONTRIBUTION TO THIS COMMUNITY AND THE STATE.
I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, BUT I WAS JUST WONDERING IF MAYBE, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE ELSE MIGHT HAVE RIGHTFUL CONCERN WITH THE NAME.
WELL, ONE THING IF MR. REED HAS BEEN LYING THERE PATIENTLY FOR 230 YEARS AFTER WHAT HE IS ACCOMPLISHED, ACCORDING TO REVEREND SHARP, I THINK IT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO WRITE A, UH, PROBABLY A HISTORICAL, UH, UH, WRONG BY NAMING SOMETHING AFTER HIM.
AND, YOU KNOW, SINCE HE'S RAISED ALL THAT MONEY AND SINCE IT IS LOCATED WHERE IT IS, I THINK THAT, UH, I DON'T BELIEVE WE COULD COME UP WITH A BETTER NAME FOR THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY MYSELF.
I MEAN, THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE CAN NAME AFTER OTHER FOLKS, BUT I BELIEVE IN THAT CASE, IT'S REALLY A SHAME.
IF THE GUY STARTED TO PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND NOTHING HAS BEEN SAID, I THINK PUBLIC SCHOOLS WHO SAY THEY GOT THEIR HANDS FULL.
NO, TO ME, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH NAMING THAT ALLIE, I GUESS, WALK AWAY AFTER YUMMY.
SO IT WOULD BE A LANE, BUT, UH, I THINK THAT, UM, A SCHOOL OR SOMETHING NOT TO BE NAMED OUT THERE AND RATHER THAN THIS, BUT I DON'T MIND SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE DONATIONS THAT ARE BEING EXPENDED.
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JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S ADEQUATE FOR A MAN IN THAT STATUTE WHO, WHO, WHO HAS ACCOMPLISHED SO MUCH, YOU KNOW, IF IT WERE ME, I WOULD WANT TO LIKE A MAJOR BUILDING SOMETHING MORE CONSPICUOUS, BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT.WELL, ONE THING I SEE ABOUT IF WE NAME IT AFTER REVEREND REED IS FOR THE FIRST TIME SOMEBODY, SOME CHILD'S WILL WALK DOWN THE STREET, THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, DAD, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT DOES THAT READ LANE, ROBERT BLEED OR RELAY WHAT'S HIS FIRST NAME? I DON'T REMEMBER.
JAMES REED LAY PEOPLE HAD TO TALK ABOUT, WELL, REVEREND REED WAS MAN THAT ESTABLISHED THE FIRST PUBLIC SCHOOL IN NORTH CAROLINA.
A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW IT.
THIS IS GOING TO PAY IF HIS NAME, LEAST BEING MENTIONED.
SO AS HE'S BURIED ACROSS THE STREET, BURIED ACROSS THE STREET AND YOU GUYS GOT $22,000 TOGETHER TO HELP PAY FOR THIS THING.
SO I FEEL LIKE THAT GIVES YOU A PRETTY GOOD SAY IN WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO NAME IT.
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COMMENTS BECAUSE YOU KNOW, MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT JAMES REED LANE SOUNDS GOOD.I LIKE
I WOULD, I THINK THAT THE INFORMATION THAT WAS GIVEN BY REFERENCE SHOP WAS VERY INTERESTING TO ME.
I ADMIT I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF JAMES REED BEFORE.
I ASSUME THERE ARE MANY OTHERS.
I'M SURE AFTER TONIGHT, EVERYBODY WOULD HAVE HEARD JAMES REED AND THAT'S VERY GOOD, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, AND YOU SAY THAT YOU REPRESENT PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN CONCERN.
THAT MEAN THAT THERE HAS BEEN COMMUNITY INPUT.
NO, HE WOULD JUST ASK ME SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I'M I'M PROBABLY GOING TO PUT MY FOOT IN MY MOUTH, BUT I'M GOING TO SAY, WELL, THEY JUST DON'T WANT TO.
THE REASON I MENTIONED THAT I THOUGHT THAT WAS STRUCTURE WOULD BE, UH, WOULD BE MORE FITTING FOR MR. REED, IS THAT OUR MEMBER THAT THIS REGION, OR THIS COUNTY WENT THROUGH A PERIOD, WHEREIN THE PEOPLE WHO WERE EMPOWERED NAMING STRUCTURES AFTER THEM SALES OR HAVING OTHER FOLKS TO LOBBY, TO HAVE A STRUCTURE NAMED AFTER THEM.
I'VE ALWAYS BEEN UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT A BUILDING SHOULD BE NAMED AFTER PERSON POST HUMOROUSLY, NOT DURING THEIR LIFETIME, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU GOT TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, THEIR TOTAL ACCOMPLISHMENTS DOING THEY'RE DOING WHILE THEY'RE ON EARTH.
AND, UH, TO ME, FOR THE SCHOOL THAT I KNOW THAT ARE NAMED AFTER EXISTING PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING, I THINK THAT ONE NAMED AFTER JAMES REED WOULD BE MORE FITTING, BUT IT'S TOO LATE FOR THAT.
BUT THAT'S WHY I COMMENTED, BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THIS.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, I MOVED THE PROPOSAL BE ACCEPTED AND WE GO THROUGH IF IT'S SOMETHING ELSE, BUT MAX WANTED HIS EARS DISCUSSION TIME.
BUT SINCE NOBODY WILL PAY ANY ATTENTION TO, UM, I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF GREAT TRIGGERS.
THIS GIVE YOU A PIECE OF HISTORY.
DID YOU KNOW THAT THERE WAS AN ALL ONE? YES, SIR.
12 CONSECUTIVE TERMS, 20 19 17 AND 1941.
HIS NAME IS C H SCOTT
SO THERE'S A LOT OF, AND EVEN BUS NAME COLLEAGUE, MR.
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COX.AND HE'S GONE WHEN YOU FIND A WHILE YOURSELF.
I'M NOT TRYING TO BEAT YOUR RECORD THOUGH.
NOBODY'S MOVED TO DISCUSS ANY MORE MAN CALL.
NO, IT'S NOT AN IT'S A VOICEMAIL.
SO THEY GOT ALL THE POSES NOTED AND WE'RE HERE, ANYTHING.
THE NEXT THING WILL BE MIKE AVERY MAKING THE PRESENTATION ABOUT THE UNION POINT HEADING UM, 1 BILLION IT'S DONE PLAYING PROJECT TO ANOTHER.
UM, AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE STATE HAS IMPROVED THE ASSISTANCE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BULK IN WRANGLING ALONG THE REMAINDER OF UNION POINT, HAR YOU SEE, BEFORE YOU WERE PLANTED, IT WAS A CRUDE REVOLVE IN 1993 FOR THE VOLCANI CAR.
AND BASICALLY WHAT THAT DOES IS IT TAKES UP WHERE THE VOLCANIC GUN IN 93 ENDED AND BRINGS IT ALL AROUND, DOWN IN THIS RIVER, AROUND THE POINT.
BACK ALONG HERE AND TIES BACK NEXT TO THE TREMOR BRIDGE.
UM, THE CITY HAS, UH, SIGNED THE AGREEMENT WITH STATE, UH, FOR THE FUNDING ASSISTANCE.
AND THE CITY HAS HIRED OUT PLANT ASSOCIATES, THE SAME FARM THAT, UH, THE SITE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE INITIAL URBAN DESIGN AND ALSO IN THE JAMES REPLAYING THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED THE DESIGN ON THE, THAT TO DO THE ENGINEERING DESIGN, CONSTRUCTION PLANS AND SPECS.
CURRENTLY THE AFFIRM IS 90% COMPLETE ON THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS AND SPECS.
AND WE EXPECT TO HAVE THOSE WITHIN A WEEK, AND THAT WILL BE REVIEWED BY THE EFFECTED CITY APARTMENTS, UH, ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WARS, PARKS, AND RECREATION, ELECTRIC UTILITIES, AND OTHERS TO ENSURE THAT THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS, UM, MEET WITH CITY STANDARDS AND, UM, CITY SCHEDULING REFORMS. WE ANTICIPATE THE COUNTY PERMIT FOR THIS
THAT'S ABOUT A 60 DAY PROCESS.
AND WE FOUND A PROCESS ACTUALLY FOR THE APPROVAL OF THAT.
AND WE'RE COMING CLOSE TO THE, TO THE END OF THAT, UH, TIMEFRAME, ONCE THAT IS COMPLETED, WE WILL BE READY TO GO OUT WITH THE BS AND SALES AND ANTICIPATE HAVING TO BE AS BACK AT A RECOMMENDATION MADE TO THE BOARD FOR CONSIDERATION THIS LAST MEETING APRIL OR THE VERY FIRST MEETING IN MAY WITH DESTRUCTION ACTUALLY BEGINNING IN MAY OF THIS YEAR, WE DON'T HAVE SCHEDULE YET ON ALAN AND FRUITS, BUT I WOULD THINK SOMETIME AROUND LABOR DAY OR SHORTLY THEREAFTER, OR THEY SHOULD BE COMING TO A CLOSE, BUT THE PROJECT FINISH, THERE IS ONE ADDITIONAL ITEM THAT HAS COME UP THAT I WOULD LIKE THE BOARD TO BE AWARE OF AND, UH, GET YOUR SUPPORT IF YOU FEEL.
UM, SO, UM, UH, THIS AND THAT IS WHEN THE BULK HEADING IS INSTALLED, WHICH WILL BE CONCRETE.
VOLCANI VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SEE OUT IN FRONT OF THE SHERATON THERE, UH, ABOUT THREE TO FOUR FOOT PANELS, UH, INSTALL.
BUT THIS AREA THROUGH HERE WILL BE, UH, UH, EXCAVATED RECALLS AND THE LEAN ABOUT 30 FOOT WORKS, UM, TO WORK ON THE BULKHEAD IN HERE.
AND SO THE ROAD THAT LOOPS AROUND HERE CURRENTLY WILL NO LONGER EXIST AND THE PROPOSAL OR A PLAN IS THAT IT NO LONGER EXISTS IN THIS NEW BLUE ROAD.
THE ONE THING THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO REWARD TO CONSIDER IS THAT
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WE POSSIBLY PUT IN THIS SECTION OF ROAD RIGHT HERE ON A TEMPORARY BASIS AS A GROUNDED PLACE, SO THAT WE WILL STILL HAVE A LOOP THROUGH HERE UNTIL FUTURE FUNDING COMPLETES THE PARK.SO YOU'D STILL BE ABLE TO, IT WOULDN'T BE THE SAME WITH THE DAM NOW, BUT IT WOULD BE A NEW THAT WOULD BE MADE POSSIBLE BY THE, UH, GRAMMAR OF THIS AREA RIGHT HERE.
WE'RE NOT TALKING TO GREENVILLE CLOSET, PROBABLY DONE CITY FORCES, PROBABLY A FEW THOUSAND DOLLARS OR MATERIAL, BUT WE WOULDN'T ALLOW, INSTEAD OF PEOPLE COMING DOWN HERE AND HAVING TO TURN AROUND AND COME BACK DOWN, THEY WOULD HAVE A LOO TO GET THEM BACK DOWN UNTIL THIS IS, UH, IS, IS HERE ADJACENT TO
WE HAVE A PLACE ABOUT 40 SPACES RIGHT HERE, ABOUT 10 OR 11.
SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO AWAY WITH ALL THE PARKING SPACES THAT ARE THERE NOW, FREDERICK, AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE THE BOAT RAMPS OUT.
SO THERE'S STILL OPPORTUNITY TO GET OUT OF THE TIMEFRAME.
UM, IT WILL BEGIN TODAY AND PROBABLY 122.
NOW, ARE YOU GOING TO SPEND ALL THE MONEY ALLOCATED FOR THAT PROJECT? AND THE REASON THAT I'M ASKING THIS IS THAT, UM, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A PERPETUAL FUND FOR MAINTENANCE OF THOSE BULKHEADS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT NES AN EXPENSIVE, A MAINTENANCE PROJECT.
UH, THE ENGINEERING IS GOING TO BE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT HERE THAN IT IS DOWN AT THE SHERATON, UH, DOWN THE SHERIFFS.
AND THEY DID NOT HAVE, UH, SOME OF THE MATERIALS THAT THEY CAN'T READ, STAYS DEAD.
HE, THE VERY FUN SOUL THAT WE HAVE HERE FROM REACHING OUT, PAUSING THE COLLAPSE OF THE EARS.
WE HAVE NEW PRODUCTS NOW THAT ARE AVAILABLE AND WE'LL KEEP THAT SO THAT I'M SURE WE HAVE REGULAR PARKS AND RECREATION AND PUBLIC WORKS MAINTENANCE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO DESIGN IT, SUCH THAT, UM, ONE OTHER THING, MIKE, WOULD YOU TOUCH ON THE POSSIBILITIES OF A STABILIZING HERE OR SOME JETTY OUT THERE OFF OF THE BOAT? YEAH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT INTO WAY MORE LOOKING, WE WE'VE HAD SOME INITIAL CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, UH, MARINE FISHERIES AND WILDLIFE FOLKS.
AND WE ALSO HAD SOME INITIAL WORK DONE BY THE ENGINEER WORKING ON THIS PROJECT OF A BREAK WATER THAT WOULD COME OUT HERE TO GET OFF THE PROTECTION OF THIS BOAT RAMP.
WE HAVE SOME INITIAL ESTIMATES AND SO FORTH, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT OR NOT.
WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT A FLOATING PLATFORM OR A FIXED PLATFORM.
THE IDEA IS THAT IF YOU HANDLE BOTH FISHING AND THE AWAKE DEVICE, SO, BUT YES WE ARE, WE'LL BE SEARCHING FOR STATE ASSISTANCE IN THIS CALENDAR YEAR.
COULD YOU SHOW ME ON THAT SKETCH WHERE THE EXISTING PIERS ARE? WOULD THEY BE WHERE THE WATER IS OR SOME OF THAT AREA GOING TO BE FILLED IN? OKAY.
BASICALLY WHAT DON'T DO ALONG THIS AREA RIGHT HERE, ALONG THE TRIP WHERE YOU HAVE EXISTED FOR FALL, UM, AS YOU'RE STANDING ON THE EXISTING MORE INVOLVED, YOU LOOK ON THERE, YOU'LL SEE THE OLD BALL AND THE NEW BOLT HERE.
IT'S GOING TO GO RIGHT ADJACENT TO THE OWN BOWL.
SO WHERE ARE THE BOAT RENTAL WHERE THE EXISTING BOAT RAMPS ARE THAT WILL BE FILLED IN.
SO THERE WILL BE MORE ACTUAL LAND MASS NOW THAN THERE ARE THEM.
AND THERE IS NOW THAT LITTLE WATER AREA WHERE THE BOATS COME IN AND HANG A LIFT TO GET UP TO THE RAMPS WILL BE FILLED IN AND IT WILL BE ADDITIONAL GROUNDS FOR PICNICKING AND THAT SORT OF THING.
MILAN A COUPLE DOWN HERE TO THE POINT WE STRAIGHTENED THAT OUT AND I SAID, WE'LL FOLLOW THE EXISTING BOLTS HERE.
IF YOU NOTICE
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THAT ALL WALL.UH, WE WANTED TO GET JUST ON THE OUTSIDE.
AND THEN WE WILL ALSO BE WORKING TOWARD, UH, FUNDING
I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR THE POINT, BUT I'M GOING TO, UM, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE MAYOR, I'M THE ONLY PERSON HERE WITH A SMALL BOAT.
NO, THIS BULLET, NO ONE MAKES YOU THINK THAT I GOT A BOAT BIGGER THAN THERE HAS BEEN IN THE PAST.
WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT FORESTS, ET CETERA, AND ABOUT THE BEAUTY OF THE RIVERS AND HOW IMPORTANT THEY ARE TO US AND HOW THEY DRAW THE PEOPLE IN HERE.
BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE BOATERS KEEP GETTING THE SHORT END OF THE STICK.
AND EVERYONE SEEMS TO THINK THAT EVERY BOATER HAS A BIG HATTERAS YACHT.
WELL, THAT BOAT RAMP WAS PUT THERE FOR SOMEBODY WITH A MILLION DOLLAR HATTERAS YACHT.
BUT I DO FEEL THAT WE, WE STILL, AND I'M THE ONE THAT BROUGHT UP THAT BULKHEAD BECAUSE SUICIDE TO TRY TO LAUNCH A BOAT OR TAKE IT OUT THERE WHEN, UH, WHEN THE WIND IS ANYTHING OTHER THAN PERFECT, YOU TURN THE TELEVISION TO SETTLE.
JUST THE VIDEO VCR AND START THE START.
WHEN THIS VIDEO WAS SHOT, THERE WERE OVER 300 FISHERMEN IN NEWBURN TO ATTEND A BASS TOURNAMENT.
NOW THERE'S A BASS TOURNAMENT DURING MUCH OF THE YEAR, EVEN IN THE WINTER, ALMOST EVERY WEEKEND.
THESE PEOPLE CAME FROM AS FAR AWAY AS ASHEVILLE.
THESE ARE NOT PEOPLE WHO JUST DROVE IN FOR THE DAY.
MOST OF THESE PEOPLE SPENT THREE OR FOUR DAYS HERE.
SOME OF THEM BROUGHT THEIR FAMILIES.
THEY STAYED IN MOTELS HERE AND EVERYWHERE.
A FISHERMAN GOES, HE BUYS SOME MORE FISHING EQUIPMENT.
THOSE GUYS SPENT A LOT OF MONEY AND THIS IS JUST ONE FISHING TOURNAMENT DURING THE YEAR.
IT IS A BIG ONE, BUT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO PAY MORE ATTENTION TO THIS SORT OF THING IN THE FUTURE.
WHEN WE GET BACK, YOU CAN FAST FORWARD A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE YOU WILL SEE THAT THERE JUST, THERE'S JUST MORE AND MORE AND MORE AND MORE BOAT TRAILERS THERE.
AND I DO WANT YOU TO SEE THE FACILITIES THAT WE PROVIDE AT THIS TIME AT LAWSON CREEK PARK FOR ALL THESE PEOPLE.
AND NOW THIS IS AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT SECTION.
THERE ARE BOAT TRAILERS EVERYWHERE.
OKAY? YOU CAN SLOW IT DOWN THERE.
AND IN JUST A MOMENT, THE FACILITIES THAT WE PROVIDED FOR THESE MEN AND THEIR FAMILIES WILL COME UP ON THE SCREEN.
THIS IS, THIS PARTICULAR SHOT IS AT LAWSON CREEK PARK.
THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE WE HAVE WHERE THEY CAN PARK ENOUGH BOAT TRAILERS TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE I CAN.
THOSE GUYS SPEND AN AWFUL LOT OF MONEY HERE, AND THEY'RE NOT JUST GOOD OLD BOYS, CHEWING TOBACCO.
THEY DREW, WE HAD DOCTORS, WE HAD LAWYERS.
WE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH BIG BUCKS WHO LIKED WHAT THEY SAW AND HAVE SAID ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS, THEY'RE COMING BACK FOR JUST REGULAR CHORUS VISITS.
SO IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE KEEP IN MIND.
THERE IS AN ENORMOUS ECONOMIC IMPACT TO OUR AREA BY THESE GUYS WITH SMALL BOATS.
WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW I HAD THAT MUCH VIDEO TAPE.
THOSE BOATS COSTS 15, $20,000 A PIECE.
A LOT OF THEM, MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEERS.
NOW THOSE ARE THE FACILITIES WE PROVIDE THESE PEOPLE THAT IS, IF SOMEONE HADN'T THOUGHT IT WAS FUNNY AND IT TURNED THEM OVER AND SET THEM ON FIRE THAT PARTICULAR WEEKEND, THESE ARE THE FACILITIES WE PROVIDED FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO CAME TO TOWN AND SPENT THREE OR FOUR DAYS AND DID ALL THAT FISHING.
THIS IS, I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS GETS.
THIS IS A, THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD PICNIC.
I THOUGHT ALL THIS, I THOUGHT ALL THIS FISHING VIDEO WAS ALL TOGETHER.
WE HAVE A GOOD TIME IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
NOW YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHY I KEEP GETTING FATTER.
THEY FEED ME WELL DOWN THERE, BUT UNLESS I MISS MY GUESS AFTER A FEW SHOTS AFTER THIS, A LITTLE FOOTAGE, OKAY, YOU CAN STOP.
YOU CAN STOP IT BECAUSE IT'S FURTHER THAT, UH, GO AHEAD AND CUT IT OFF.
THERE IS A SHOT ON THERE BEYOND ALL OF THIS.
UM, UH, AND THERE'S SOME UNION FORM, A UNION POINT FOOTAGE ON THERE, BUT THERE'S SOME SHOTS OFF THAT BOAT RAMP AND IT SHOWS
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GRAVEL WASHED UP ON IT SO BADLY THAT IT COULD NOT BE USED THAT DAY.IT SHOWS DRIFTWOOD WASHED UP ON IT, AND IT SHOWS WAVES FROM THE RIVER THAT WOULD MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE TO LAUNCH A BOAT THERE AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME.
SO I SURE DO WANT TO SEE THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT PROTECTIVE RIGHT THING, BECAUSE IT GOES STRAIGHT INTO THE RIVER.
AND IF THE WIND IS ANYWHERE, BUT FROM DIRECTLY BEHIND YOU COMING FROM LAND, YOU CAN'T USE IT.
SO I WANT YOU TO KNOW, I CONSIDER IT VERY IMPORTANT TO THESE VOTERS FOR THEIR SAFETY, THAT, THAT, UH, THAT BREAK WATER BECOME A REALITY.
AND I DON'T THINK A FLOATING BREAK WATER WILL DO IT.
I THINK IT WOULD TAKE THE US FIXED WING TO STOP THE WAVES.
AND YOU NEVER KNOW DOWN HERE IS THOSE WHO HAVE BOATS REALIZED HOW PRETTY MORNING CAN TURN INTO A REALLY ROUGH AFTERNOON WHEN YOU TRY TO TAKE YOUR BOAT OUT.
SO I'LL EMPHASIZE IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PART, TO THOSE BOAT RAMPS THAT, THAT FITTEST PROTECTIVE DEVICE BUILT AROUND THAT BOAT RANGE JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT POINT.
WE'RE WORKING ON WHATEVER, DO CONTACT SOME OF THE BOATING PEOPLE AROUND HERE AND GET THEIR INPUT.
UM, ONE OTHER THING JUST FOR THE RECORD ALSO, I KNOW THERE MIGHT BE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WATCH THIS ON THE TELEVISION THAT WILL SEE THE WOMAN'S CLUB BUILDING ORIENTED BACK OFF TOWARDS THIS.
THE ONLY THING HAS BEEN ADOPTED IS THE OUTLINE OF THE PARK.
NO DECISION HAS BEEN MADE ON THAT PARTICULAR STRUCTURE YET.
SO IN CASE THOSE PEOPLE ARE SEEING IT, WE WON'T CATCH THEM.
NOW, THIS IS ONLY, THIS IS ONLY AN OLD, UH, JUST LATER FIGURE HERE.
WELL, WE GONNA DECIDE TO TEAR IT DOWN LATER, RIGHT?
UH, UH, AND WHAT I CAN DO IS
ALL THE
WELL, WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
I JUST, I WANT TO GET IT OFF JUST FOR A MINUTE.
YOU CAN PULL IT OFF JUST FOR JUST YELLING IT ALL.
I JUST WANT TO, EVERYBODY HERE IS, IS OPPOSED TO IT.
I'M NOT, I'M TALKING ABOUT OUT THERE.
YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO TELL THEM WHAT IT IS.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT DON'T TELL HIM FINANCIAL AND COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS TO PERMIT THE CITY TO INSTALL IT.
CITY EXPENSE AND LOAD MANAGEMENT DEVICES.
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NEW CONSTRUCTION, DID YOU PUT THEM ON DRESSES? ONLY CERTAIN DEVICES, SUCH AS HOT WATER HEATERS YEAH.NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS. WE DID SLIPS UP AND THROUGH HERE AND SOMEBODY WAS OPPOSED.
THEY DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO BE HEARD.
SO YOU DON'T MIND I'M GOING TO STAY ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
I RENEW MY MOTION THAT WE APPROVED, SENT A GENTLEMAN ITSELF.
AND THIS IS THE ROLL CALL LOAD.
WELL, LET'S SEE MISCELLANEOUS.
NUMBER 10 IS TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION, COMMENDING THE EFFORTS OF THE NARCOTICS SEVEN SURPRISE.
AND WE ALSO HAVE SOME ODD MEMOS ON APPOINTMENTS.
I HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO YOU YET, BUT THEY WOULD BE PROBABLY APPROPRIATE FOR YOUR NEXT MEETING.
AND I'LL BE GETTING THOSE OUT TO YOU TO GIVE YOU SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FROM SOME OF THESE.
I DON'T KNOW IT'S APPOINTMENTS.
LET'S SEE, WHAT'S LEFT MISCELLANEOUS, DON AND DON SMILE.
MS. LEE, EITHER YOU MAX, GO AHEAD.
UH, I WAS ON VACATION FOR A WEEK AND WHEN I CAME BACK AND STARTED READING THE NEWSPAPERS, ALL I READ WAS SEWAGE PLANTS, SEWAGE PLANTS, SEWAGE PLANT, AND PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, THE STATE OF THE STATE TOLD BILL HARTMAN.
ONE THING THEY TOLD DAVID BOWMAN, ANOTHER THING IN LIFE.
WELL, IT, THAT STATE DIDN'T TELL ME DIRECTLY ANYTHING, BUT THEY DID TALK TO MR. MUSE, OUR CITY ENGINEER.
AND, UH, I WAS QUITE SURPRISED DURING THE HEARING THAT MR. BORMAN, WHO WAS SERVING AS THE ATTORNEY FOR THE YOUNG LADY WHO WAS HAVING THE PUBLIC, UH, DISCIPLINE HEARING, UH, HE INDICATED THAT HE HAD TALKED TO CAROLYN MCGARRIGLE UP AT THE STATE OFFICE AND THAT SHE HAD INDICATED THAT SOMETHING THAT THE CITY HAD DONE WAS WRONG.
UH, WE, AFTER THAT MEETING THAT EVENING, UH, TALK TO MS. GASKELL, UH, MR. MUSE DID DIRECTLY AGAIN, SHE WAS QUITE SURPRISED HER NAME HAD COME UP.
SHE'D NEVER TALKED TO MR. BELLMAN.
AND SHE REPEATED HER ASSERTIONS THAT EVERYTHING THAT THE CITY HAD DONE, AS LONG AS WE HAD OUTLINED IT TO HER, UH, THE WAY WE HAD DONE IT, EITHER MET OR EXCEEDED.
AND IN MOST CASES EXCEEDED THE STANDARDS THAT THE STATE HAS FOR ANY FEDERAL REGULATIONS OR ANY STATE REGULATIONS REGARDING SLUDGE DISPOSAL.
AS FAR AS I KNOW, THERE'S ONLY ONE NOTICE OF VIOLATION THAT THE CITY HAS THAT SCORE THAT A PURPORTED SLUDGE OVERFLOW THAT WE HAD, UH, I THINK IT WAS ON VALENTINE'S DAY.
UH, THERE WAS, WE CLOSED OFF BOTH ENDS OF THE DITCH AND MR. MUSE WAS GOING TO REPORT TO THIS AND WE'LL REPORT TO YOU ON ALL OF THIS, THAT ISN'T AT YOUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH YOU'VE ASKED HIM TO DO.
BUT, UH, AT THIS PARTICULAR, UH, SPILL OF SLUDGE, UH, WE DAMMED OFF BOTH ENDS OF THE DITCHES AND, UH, HAD THOUGHT THAT WE HAD CAUGHT ALL UP THE, UH, SPILL.
UH, THE STATE HAD US TAKE SOME, UH, FECAL COUNTS, UH, AT BOTH ENDS OF THE DITCH.
AT ONE END OF THE DITCH, WE HAD A FECAL COUNT OF 200, WHICH IS BASICALLY A BACKGROUND, UH, THE FECAL, NOTHING TOO BAD THERE.
UH, AT THE OTHER END OF THE DITCH, WE HAD A FECAL COUNT OF A THOUSAND BASED ON THAT FECAL COUNT, THE STATE, UH, INDICATED THAT THEY THOUGHT THAT SOME, UH, FLUENT HAD GOTTEN OUT INTO THE RIVER.
AND THAT'S WHEN WE GOT A NOTICE OF VIOLATION.
SUBSEQUENT TO THAT TIME, WE HAVE, UH, BEEN DOING SOME INVESTIGATION
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IN THAT AREA.WE HAD FOUND A CREEK THAT COMES IN, UH, ABOVE THAT LOCATION.
UH, THERE ARE SEVERAL HOMES WITH SEPARATE TANKS LOCATED ON THAT CREEK.
WE HAVE TAKEN BACKGROUND FECALS AT THAT CREEK IN SEVERAL LOCATIONS, THE CLOSER TO THE PLANT THAT YOU GET AND THE LESS THE BACKGROUND FECAL GEDDES, BUT SOME OF THE FECAL COUNTS IN THAT CREEK WAS AS OVER 2000.
SO, UH, WE THINK THAT WHAT WE GOT OUT THERE IN OUR THOUSAND COUNT WAS SOME OF THE SAME FECAL COUNT THAT COMES FROM THAT CREEK THAT, UH, OUR PLANT WAS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DISCHARGE IN THE RIVER.
AND WE INTEND TO PURSUE THAT WITH THE STATE.
SO BASED ON THAT, THAT'S ABOUT ALL THAT I HAVE THAT I CAN TELL YOU, BASICALLY, IN A NON-TECHNICAL WAY, MR. MUSE WILL REPORT TO YOU AT YOUR NEXT MEETING, AS YOU HAVE DIRECTED HIM TO WHEREVER HE WILL, HE WILL GO THROUGH THIS IN MUCH MORE DETAIL AND GIVE YOU ANY TECHNICAL ANSWERS OR ANYTHING THAT YOU NEED.
THAT WILL BE HIS MONTHLY REPORT.
AND BY THE WAY, I KNOW SOMETIMES IT MAY SOUND AS A PROBLEM.
LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO FIND REASONS TO PROVE IT WASN'T US.
HOWEVER, I DON'T THINK THE CITY MANAGER, ANYBODY ELSE HOPEFULLY HAS THAT MENTALITY.
WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE US, BUT IF IT IS US, WE WANT TO FIX IT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO, UH, WE DON'T WANT TO SEE A DIRTY RIVER, EVEN IF WE DON'T GET THE BLAME, LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY.
SO WE'RE TAKING IT VERY SERIOUS.
ANYTHING ELSE, MAX? I THINK IT WAS IN GREENVILLE AND THEY WERE REPORTING SOMETHING ABOUT ELECTRIC CITIES LOBBYING TO BECOME MORE COMPETITIVE.
SO I DIDN'T SEE ALL THE NEWS THAT THE REPRESENTATIVES FROM YOU GOT THE CITIZEN LOBBYING, LEGISLATORS, SOMETHING THAT MAKES YOU A MORE COMPETITIVE PRODUCT COMPANIES.
SO THAT SOMETHING GOING ON FOR ABOUT, YES, SIR.
COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD? OKAY.
YOU COULD YOU PERHAPS SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE? SOME OF US DON'T HEAR IT AS WELL AND MISS THOSE SPEAKERS HELP SOMEBODY EITHER DO I I'M IN CHARGE OF MY HOMEOWNERS UTILITY COMMITTED IN NEWS HARBOR.
WE'RE A LITTLE BIT UNHAPPY BECAUSE WE'RE SERVED BY NEW GROUND AND POWER AND LIGHT AND C, P AND L WITHIN THE SAFE COMMUNITY.
AND DEPENDING UPON THE FIGURES WITH IT OR HOW THE LIARS FIGURE, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, 13 TO 20% DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN CP AND L RATES.
WHEN YOU RUN A COMPUTER MODELING PROGRAM AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT, WELL, HOW MUCH MORE ARE WE REALLY PAYING IF WE'RE SERVED BY NEWBURY POWER AND LIGHT, UH, VERSUS CPL WITHIN THE SAME COMMUNITY, THE FACTS DON'T INITIALLY DON'T LOOK TOO GOOD.
UH, THE, UH, THE REASON I KNEW ABOUT THE 1992 UTILITIES ACT CAUSE THAT'S COMING INTO PLAY IS WHY HASN'T, UH, ELECTRIC UTILITIES, ELECTRIC CITIES ATTEMPTED TO PROCURE THEIR POWER FROM BIKE COMPETITION.
UH, AND THE ANSWER I GOT WAS IS THAT IN RALEIGH, THEY HAVE NOT PROVIDED THE LEGISLATION NECESSARY TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH CPL SHOULD CHARGE.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE TENNESSEE VALLEY AUTHORITY TO TRANSPORT THE ELECTRICITY HERE INTO NEWBERRY.
AND THAT'S BEEN THREE YEARS NOW, I THINK SINCE THE FEDERAL ACT WAS PASSED AND THERE'S BEEN NO ACTION
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TO RALEIGH, UH, TO DEAL WITH THE MATTER.SO YOU CAN'T PROCURE THE ELECTRICITY COMPETITIVELY UNTIL THERE'S SOME DOLLAR FIGURE PUT ON THE TRANSPORTATION OF THAT ELECTRICITY BY THE ONE WHO OWNS THE TRANSMISSION LINES, WHICH IS CPL, OR DO, UH, HOPEFULLY THAT, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANYTHING IN RALEIGH GOING ON RIGHT NOW TO MAKE, MAKE THOSE PROVISIONS FOR US.
IT'S A BIG LOBBYING SITUATION, VERY POLITICAL AND DUKE AND CPL DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT IT.
WELL, THE STATES IN NEW YORK, NEW JERSEY, PENNSYLVANIA, UH, I DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS I DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS THE SITUATION.
ALL THE WOMAN, ALL THE ONE LEE IS REFERRING TO AS A SITUATION THAT THE POWER AGENCY AND ELECTRICITIES AND THE POWER AGENCY, NUMBER ONE IN THE WESTERN PART OF THE STATE HAVE BEEN UNDERGOING, UH, A REASSESSMENT OF THEIR PURPOSE AND HOW THEY'RE AND HOW THEY'RE GOING TO MEET THE NEW COMPETITIVE ENVIRONMENT TO WHICH MR. HART HAS BEEN REFERRING, I THINK CALLED RETAIL WHEELING, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT IN YET, IT COULD COME IN, BUT IN ANY EVENT, THE POWER AGENCY AND ELECTRICITIES AND THE OTHER POWER AGENCY HAVE, UH, COME UP THROUGH A SERIES OF MEETINGS WITH A DETERMINATION THAT THE ELECTRICITY BOARD NEEDS TO BE RESTRUCTURED TO MAKE IT MORE LIKE A, UH, INVESTOR ON UTILITIES BOARD SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE SOME FAIRLY QUICK DECISIONS.
AS THINGS ARE QUICKLY CHANGED.
IT DOES NOT AFFECT THE, UH, AUTHORITY OF THE POWER AGENCIES THEMSELVES TO PURCHASE POWER OR THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE TO APPROVE CONTRACTUAL CHANGES AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, BUT THEY ARE, UH, PROPOSING SOME LEGISLATION IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO STREAMLINE THEIR ORGANIZATION AND TO, UH, ALLOW THAT BOARD OF DIRECTORS THAT ELECTRICITIES TO ACT MORE ON A DAY-TO-DAY MANAGEMENT TYPE, UH, BASIS THAN THEY HAVE IN THE PAST WITHOUT, UH, HAVING TO BE ENCUMBERED BY A LOT OF MEETINGS OF A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE OF POWER AGENCIES AND THINGS, UH, THE MAYOR AND, UH, I, AND, UH, MR. POCKET WENT OUT TO RALEIGH RECENTLY AND ATTENDED A MEETING WHERE THEY WERE GOING OVER THIS A LITTLE BIT IN MORE DETAIL, UH, LEGISLATION, UH, IS AVAILABLE.
IF YOU WANT TO SEE IT, IT'S ABOUT 15 TO 20 PAGES LONG, I GUESS, THE LEGISLATURE, UH, IT WAS INTRODUCED TODAY.
I UNDERSTAND, AND, UH, HAD 30 CO-SPONSORS ON IT TO, UH, BRING IT IN.
AND AS YET THERE'S OF COURSE BEEN NO ACTION ON IT, BUT ELECTRICITY'S, UH, IS VERY, UH, FEELS THAT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THIS, UH, BE IMPLEMENTED BECAUSE OF THE, UH, NATURE OF THE COMPETITION THAT IS GOING TO BE COMING UP IN FUTURE YEARS, WHICH COMPETITION IS GOOD FOR EVERYONE.
WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE, UH, POSITIONED AS WELL AS THEY CAN.
WE HAVE A W AS MR. HART, I LOADED, THERE ARE A LOT MORE PROBLEMS TO THIS FOR THE POWER AGENCIES, SIMPLY THAN DETERMINING HOW MUCH MONEY WILL BE PAID FOR WHEELING THE POWER OVER A CPL OR DUKE POWER SLIDES, BECAUSE WE CONTRACTUALLY ARE BOUND TO SEEK NL, TO PURCHASE ALL OF OUR SUPPLEMENTAL POWER, UH, FOR VIRTUALLY LIFE OF THE CONTRACT.
UNLESS WE GIVE 10 YEARS NOTICE AND DEVELOP SOME ALTERNATIVE SOURCE OURSELVES, THEN WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHEELING THAT POWER IN OURSELVES UNDER SOME, UH, OTHER ARRANGEMENT.
UH, THAT'S BASICALLY ALL THAT I REALLY TO REALLY GET INTO AT THIS POINT IN TIME, SO MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
BUT WHAT GOT ME WAS WHEN I HEARD THAT YOU SAID, AS WE'RE DOING IT, WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM, ELECTRIC
I THINK FOR OCTOBER OF A LITTLE OVER 4% HAS ALREADY BEEN MOVED, AT LEAST UNTIL MAY.
AND AT THAT TIME THEY'RE EXPECTING THAT IT MAY BE AS LOW AS 2% INSTEAD OF 4%.
SO IT MAY MEAN THAT THERE WILL BE NO NEED FOR ANY, UH, ELECTRICAL UTILITY INCREASED DURING THIS UPCOMING YEAR, UH, AS A RESULT OF ANSWER.
BUT A LOT OF OUR POWER COSTS TO THINGS THAT WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT A MATTER OF, YOU KNOW, WHY DON'T WE GO OUT AND TAKE BEDS ON THE POWER.
BOY, IT'D BE NICE IF WE COULD, BUT YOU SEE WE'VE ALL INHERITED SOME LONG-TERM CONTRACTS AND SOME, UH, I GUESS YOU'D SAY OWNERSHIP IN NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS.
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WHICH MUST BE PAID OFF, THAT MAKES UP THE LARGE BULK OF THE CITY OF NEWBORNS CHARGE.AND IT'S JUST VIRTUALLY NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT.
NOW, RALPH IS LOOKING INTO SOME THINGS WE HAVE DISCUSSED ABOUT SOME, UH, COGENERATION AND DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE CAN TRY TO, TO, UH, LOWER THE EFFECT ON EVERYBODY.
YOU KNOW, WE GET OUT OF THIS THING OVER THE NEXT 10 TO 12 YEARS, BUT IT'S NOT A MATTER OF SOMEBODY JUST WAKING UP ONE DAY AND SAY, MY GOODNESS, SEE, PNL IS WAY DOWN HERE IN THE CITY OF NEWMAN'S HERE.
SOMEBODY HOSING SOMEBODY, OR THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY IGNORANT NOT GOING OUT FOR BEDS OR WHAT, UH, I THINK
DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS? DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE CITY IS? A PROFIT OR TRANSFER OF FUNDS IS 3.6%.
IT'S 3.6% JUST TO HAVE THEM I'M SAVING A LOT OF LEG WORK.
WELL, I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU, IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS IT'S ONLY 3.6% THAT THE CITY IS MAKING OFF OF IT AND TRANSFERRING TO THE GENERAL FUND.
SO IF WE WIPE IT ALL OUT, WE CAN'T REDUCE IT TO 3.6.
SO IT'S NOT A, IN OTHER WORDS, THIS HAS BEEN ADDRESSED BEFORE.
YOU CAN SAVE YOURSELF BY INVESTIGATING THAT, AND WE'LL BE GLAD TO PROVIDE YOU WITH IT.
ANYTHING ELSE? OH, YOU WON'T HAVE TO STAND UP AND DELIVER THEM.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN? YOU MEAN THAT WAY TO MY WRITER AND I STILL GOT IT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY TODAY PASSED A RESOLUTION.
IS THAT RIGHT? BILL REQUESTING ADDITIONAL? MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THIS WAS ADOPTED TODAY AS A REQUEST FOR LEGISLATION.
I THOUGHT I HAVE NO FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE ABOUT, OKAY, WELL, ANYWAY, WE DO HAVE THE LETTERS THAT THEIR INTENT OF THE COUNTY IS TO IMPLEMENT AN ADDITIONAL 3% OCCUPANCY TAX.
AND THIS HAS TO BE USED TO BORROW $2 MILLION, 1.5 MILLION FOR CONVENTION CENTER AND 500,000 FOR THE LEVINE BUILDING.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CONVENTION CENTER WILL BE BUILT ACROSS THE RIVER NEXT TO RAMADI.
AND IS THAT RIGHT, BILL? THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING NOW, UH, JUST DOING A LITTLE INVESTIGATING WHEN I COULD TODAY, I CALLED ONE OF THE LOCAL INNKEEPERS BECAUSE I, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WE STOPPED WHEN THE INNKEEPERS WERE UPSET AND WE DECIDED WE'RE TALKING TO THEM THAT WE WOULDN'T MOVE UNTIL WE FIRST DID A SURVEY TO DETERMINE THE NEED AND THE LOCATION.
AM I CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT THEY REQUESTED.
AND WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? WE DO IT RIGHT.
WE HAD NO PROBLEM WITH, WELL, I TOLD HER YOU AIN'T KEEP HER TODAY.
AND, UH, I CAN'T FOR THE LIFE OF ME, UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN GO AHEAD AND HIRE SOMEBODY TO GO AHEAD WITH THE PROJECT.
WHEN THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO FOOT, THE BILL HAVEN'T HAD ANY INPUT INTO IT.
AND THEY'RE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO PAY FOR THE MAJORITY OF IT ARE HERE IN THE CITY AND ARE NOT GOING TO REALLY REAP THE BENEFITS.
AND, UH, I JUST WANT TO GO ON RECORD, SAY IT, WHERE'S THE SURVEY, SHOW US WHY THIS IS THE PLACE FOR, FOR WE CAN, YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY CAN GIVE ANY ENDORSEMENT TO THIS THING.
AND I HOPE EVERYBODY HERE FEELS THE SAME WAY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THE COOPERATION, UH, WAS SUPPOSED TO COME OUT OF A MEETING THAT I REQUESTED BETWEEN THE HOTEL OPERATORS, TDA LAWRENCE,
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THE CITY, THE COUNTY, AND WE HAD ONE MEETING AND EVERYBODY SEEMED TO THINK, HEY, THIS IS GREAT.WE'RE GONNA COOPERATE ON THIS.
ALL OF A SUDDEN THIS COMES UP.
WELL, I JUST WANT, I WANT EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND IT.
UH, LAURA, WOULD YOU LIKE A CARPET OF YESTERDAY? WE WERE SITTING BACK LISTENING.
I THOUGHT WE WERE DOING WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.
WE WERE LISTENING TO OUR CITIZENS AND OUR TAXPAYERS AND TRYING TO, TO WORK TOGETHER IN A SPIRIT OF COOPERATION, THE COOPERATION IS GONE.
THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO GIVE, UH, WHAT IS REAL, I'VE LOST MY COPY, BUT WHAT DOES IT SAY ABOUT THE TDA AND THE FUNDING? UH, CURRENT TDA LEGISLATION WAS TO BE AMENDED TO REMOVE THE EXISTING REQUIRED FUNDING SECTION THAT DESIGNATES 35% OF ALL MONIES OVER 100,000 TO BE USED FOR SPECIFIC PROGRAMS. CORRECT.
THAT'S WHAT WROTE GIVING THEM A BLANK, CHECK IT, HOW AM I READING THIS WRONG? WELL, THE TDA, AS I UNDERSTAND IT WILL ADMINISTER THIS.
SO I GUESS WHOEVER THEY APPOINT ON THE TDA WILL MAKE THE DETERMINATION ON THOSE THINGS.
THE MAIN CONCERN, ONE OF THE MAIN CONCERNS I HAVE MANY HERE, BUT ONE OF THE MAIN CONCERNS THAT I HAVE ABOUT THIS IS IT LEVIES THE TAX TO PAY FOR THE CONVENTION CENTER.
AND IT SAYS THAT THE REST AND THE OPERATIONS OF THE CONVENTION CENTER WILL BE PAID FOR OUT OF THIS TAX, AND THEN ANYTHING LEFT OVER WILL BE GIVEN TO THE CITY TO PAY FOR THE KIND OF THINGS THAT YOU ALL HAD ORIGINALLY COME UP WITH THE IDEA FOR THE OCCUPANCY TAX ON.
UH, I, I JUST TRIED TO PLACE MYSELF IN THE SHOES OF THE PERSON WHO'S OPERATING THE CONVENTION CENTER, SAYING THAT WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS TO OPERATE THE CONVENTION CENTER IN ANYTHING THAT YOU DO UNDER X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS, THAT'S GOING TO GO TO THE OTHER PEOPLE.
BUT IF YOU HAPPEN TO SPEND IT ALL TWO BATS, ALL RIGHT.
AND SO I DON'T REALLY SEE THAT THIS IS GOING TO PROVIDE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT YOU ALL HAD MENTIONED.
I DON'T THINK THE WHOLE BREADTH.
DO YOU SEE ANY, WELL, REMEMBER THIS IS A RESOLUTION ASKING SOMEBODY TO ENTER IT IN THE LEGISLATURE.
AND, UH, JUST BECAUSE IT'S ENTERED INTO THE LAST INTO THE LEGISLATURE, DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN IT'S GOING TO PASS THIS.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAVE IT TO MAKE EVERYBODY PERFECTLY CLEAR AS BROTHER NIXON USED TO SAY THAT THE CITY TOOK THE POSSESSION, THAT WE WERE GOING TO GET CONSENSUS FROM OUR END KEEPERS, MOTEL KEEPERS, AND HOTEL KEEPERS, AND SO FORTH.
AND ALSO TO GO INTO THIS THING WITH SPECIFIC PROJECTS NAMES SO THAT WE WOULD FIND THOSE.
AND WHEN WE GOT GOTTEN THROUGH, BUT I JUST PROJECT BY CONSENSUS.
ONCE AGAIN, IF WE WERE GOING TO PROCEED ON OTHER PROJECTS, WE WOULD KEEP OUR TAX.
AND IF WE WERE NOT TO PROCEED ON OTHER PRIVATES, WE GET RID OF THE TAX.
AND EVEN THE AMOUNT OF THE TAX BE AT 1%, 2% OR 3% WAS GOING TO BE AGREED TO BY EVERYBODY.
AND EVERYBODY MEANING A CONSENSUS OF THE PEOPLE THAT WERE BEING TAXED.
AND, UH, THOSE OF US IN GOVERNMENTAL POSITIONS.
BUT OBVIOUSLY THIS IS, UH, I GUESS YOU MIGHT SAY TAKEN OUT OF OUR HANDS.
THIS, THIS, THIS IS NOT OURS, OUR PRODUCTION HERE.
SO IT WAS NOT WHAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE COMMITTEE MEETING.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT IN OTHER WORDS, TO MAKE IT REAL CLEAR.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S JUST TO SOMEBODY REQUESTS THAT IT BE ENTERED INTO THE LEGISLATURE.
AND AGAIN, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE MY UNDERSTANDING OF LOCAL LEGISLATION AND, UH, I WOULD HAVE TO HAVE OUR LOCAL LEGISLATORS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.
I SURE WON'T BUT I THINK THEY WOULD AGREE THAT LOCAL LEGISLATION IS SUPPOSED TO BE BY CONSENSUS AND EVERYBODY AGREES TO IT AND HAVE PLANNED FOR WISE WISE, GENERALLY A GIMME.
I DON'T THINK EVERYBODY AGREES TO THIS PLAN.
SO IT'D BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
OH, I WOULD THINK IF WE NOT AGREE WITH IT, THEN WE SHOULD TAKE SOME
WHAT KIND OF ACTION WOULD YOU PROPOSE? ESSENTIALLY? YOU HAVE POWER NOW I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE THIS.
I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT WE, AS A GROUP, SEND A LETTER TO OUR LEGISLATORS STATING THE FACT THAT WE SHOULD, WE AGREED FOR A SURVEY OR USE, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE USE AND THE SIZE WITH THE INDICATORS, AND WE'VE ALL BEEN TAKEN OUT OF THE PICTURE AND I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD MAKE ANY MOVE UNTIL WE HAVE THAT SURVEY IN HAND AND KNOW WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE, WHAT SIZE IT NEEDS TO BE, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD A BIG WHITE ELEPHANT OF THEM AFRAID.
AND WE'RE GOING TO END UP HAVING TO ASK TAXPAYERS IN THE COUNTY FOR A BIG VEAL.
TAXPAYER OF COURSE, I THINK WHAT WE SHOULD SAY IS THIS DOES NOT REPRESENT THE LETTER, NO OF THE SPIRIT OF WHAT WE HAD IN MIND AND
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THEREFORE WHAT WE WANT TO DISASSOCIATE OURSELVES FROM.DON'T YOU THINK WE NEED TO WAIT UNTIL WE ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT TRANSPIRED TODAY? I'VE ONLY HEARD RUMORS.
I MEAN, THEY MIGHT BE THINKING THEY WERE GOING TO GET IN THE LAST PARAGRAPH, THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE CERTAIN MONIES THAT I'VE DEALT WITH.
WELL, THE THING THAT BOTHERS ME IS THE FACT THAT THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A COOPERATIVE EFFORT AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE IS NO COOPERATION AND LET'S SEE WHAT LET'S SEE WHAT THEY DID FIRST, BECAUSE WE GOT PLENTY OF TIME.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN WHEN THEY DID WELL? I DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TRANSPIRED AND THEY'RE LEAVING TODAY, SOMEONE IN THE AUDIENCE.
UH, I'VE NEVER SPOKEN IN THIS KIND OF SITUATION.
UH, BUT, UH, UH, BEING A HEAD OF THE DEPARTMENT THAT HAS BEEN AFFECTED ON SEVERAL INSTANCES BY ACTS OF THE STATE LEGISLATURE ON LEVEL OF BILLS, GOING BACK TO THE INSPECTION SU UH, TRYING TO REMOVE THE COUNTY BUILDING IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UH, AND IN OTHER MOODS, UH, WE WERE INFORMED BY THE LEGISLATIVE TOURS THAT WHAT CONSTITUTES A CONTROVERSY IS WHEN THE LEGISLATURE WAS IN SALES, DO NOT AGREE.
NOW IT'S NOT THAT ANYTHING ELSE IS NOT A CONTROVERSY.
SO I WOULD URGE THE BOARD TO TAKE, TAKE VERY SERIOUS CONSIDERATION BECAUSE OF AN ACCIDENT INTRODUCED, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, WHAT'S CONTROVERSY TO US, THE COST CONCOURSE WITH THE DAM WANDERING.
AND WHILE THEY HAVE TO THINGS, JUST FROM MY EXPERIENCE, I FEEL LIKE THOSE LEGISLATORS ARE NOT GOING TO TURN A DEAF EAR TO US.
AND I TRUST THAT THEY WON'T OKAY.
WELL, I'M NOT GOING TO DO THAT.
UH, WE INFORMED THE LEGISLATORS THAT WE WOULD AT LEAST LIKE TO HAVE A LOOK AT WHAT THEY'RE DOING BEFORE IT GETS DONE.
WE'D LIKE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOME INPUT BEFORE THIS IMMEDIATE ACTION MAY HAVE BEEN PROMPTED BY THE FACT THAT MARCH 22ND IS THE LAST DAY IS LOCAL BILLS MAY BE INTRODUCED BY.
I HAVE NEVER, AS YOU WILL KNOW, MR. WARD REALLY WORRIED ABOUT SOMEBODY COMING UP HERE, YOUR LAST MAN SAID, OH GOD, GOTTA HAVE YOU GOT TO HAVE YOU BETTER A PLAN.
AND THEY ALSO, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS A CRUCIAL ISSUE AT THE END OF 1994.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO LIVE A LIFE OR DEATH ISSUE IN 1995.
AND IT CAN'T BE PUT OFF UNTIL 19.
I KNOW BUT AS YOU WELL UNDERSTAND, THEY ARE MASTERS AT SUSPENDING THE RULES WHEN IT BENEFITS THEM.
I WOULDN'T SAY NO DOUBT, BUT LET'S JUST SAY THAT I'M, I'M FULLY EXPECT THIS TO BE ENTERED INTO THE LEGISLATURE.
FOR THE REASON THAT MRS. WARD'S TALKING ABOUT, BECAUSE YOU GOT TO REMEMBER WHEN WE HAD OUR STUCK IN THERE FOR TWO, TWO, UH, IN FACT, WE HAD ONE STUCK IN THERE WITH OCCUPANCY TAGS, BUT HE LEFT BLANK LAST YEAR.
WE, NOT THAT IT DIDN'T FLY, BUT THE REASON BEING THAT YOU'VE GOT TO GET SOMETHING IN THERE NOW.
WELL, THAT THING IS GOING TO ACTUALLY EVER COME TO VOTE.
WHETHER IT'S GOING TO PASS, WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE MODIFIED, THAT'S ALL TO BE SEEN.
BUT THE FACT IS TO JUST CHUNK IT OUT LATER, IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL, BUT AGAIN, I'M GOING TO PAY A LOT OF LEGISLATORS TO LISTEN TO OUR OPINION ON IT.
AND WE'D LIKE TO ASK AND STOLEN ANY DISCUSSION.
WE MAKING A REQUEST THAT OUR LEGISLATORS HERE ARE HERE S BEFORE THEY ACT ON STUFF.
SO WE'VE GOT A SECOND ALL IN FAVOR, SAY, AYE, ALL OPPOSED? NOT EVEN ROBERT WAS OPPOSED.
I THINK IT WAS A BEAT LAST ME TO MEET HIM BEFORE LAST, WE, UH, DECIDED TO SEND A LETTER TO THE COUNTY BOARD ASKING FOR LIKE FUNDS THAT HAD TO BE SENT TO HAVELOCK.
AND AS FAR AS I KNOW, NO ACTION WAS TAKEN MA'AM.
WHAT EVEN BROUGHT UP BEFORE THE BOARD TODAY, THEY, THEY PIGEONHOLED IT OR SOMETHING.
AND YOUR BLIZZARD AND INDICATED TO ME THAT THE BOARD MEMBERS HAD THE LETTER, THAT IT WAS NOT ON THE AGENDA.
I HAVE HAD AN INDICATOR TO ME ABOUT WHAT A MEMBER OF THE BOARD THAT, HEY, YOU GUYS SENT IT TO THE WRONG PLACE.
THERE WAS SOON AS THE WRONG PLACE WE DID.
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THEY DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT.WELL, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE PROVIDE POLICE PROTECTION AT LUTHERAN HOSPITAL, BECAUSE LIKE, WE'RE DOING IT TO THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR.
AT THAT TIME, UNLESS WE COME WITH SOME SORT OF AGREEMENT WITH THE BOARD OF EDUCATION, WE CANCEL THAT POLICE PROTECTION BECAUSE THAT'S MONEY COMING OUT OF OUR BUDGETS WOULD, SHOULD COME OUT OF THE BOARD OF EDUCATION FUNDS.
WELL, IT'S TRUE, BUT I CAN'T, I CAN'T GO ALONG AND PUT THE KIDS IN JEOPARDY.
IF THE COPS UP THERE, IT WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW.
WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT? WHAT HAPPENED TO THE PHONES? WELL, WAIT A MINUTE.
YEAH, THE, BUT LET'S WAIT UNTIL BUDGET SESSION AND SEE WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO ABOUT THIS YEAR.
LET ME ASK THEY HAVEN'T DENIED IT.
TH YOU HAVE BROUGHT THIS POINT UP SEVERAL TIMES IN THE PAST THAT WE COULD NOT TAX SOMEBODY AND NOT TAX TO STAY AND SO FORTH.
I MEAN, WOULDN'T THE CONVERSE BE TRUE THAT A COUNTY GOVERNMENT, FOR AN EXAMPLE, COULDN'T GIVE TO ONE ENTITY VIA PAVLOK SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD REFUSE TO GIVE US.
HOW THE WRONG IT'S DISCRETION
UH, AND THE
WHEN I'M SAYING WE JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH CLOUDS ON ACCOUNTABLE.
NOW LET'S JUST, THEY HAVEN'T ADDRESSED IT YET.
THEY HAVEN'T SAID THEY HAVEN'T SEEN ONE OTHER THING.
I'D LIKE, UH, MR. HARTMAN, CAN YOU GET A COPY OF THAT GRANT THAT THE COUNTY BOARD RECEIVED, WHICH WE FILLED OUT, WE HELPED THEM FILL OUT.
AND THEY GOT SO MANY THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THIS TYPE OF THING, WHICH THEY CHOSE NOT TO USE FOR POLICE PROTECTION.
I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE OUR CHILDREN UNPROTECTED.
SOMEBODY IS GOING TO HAVE TO FACE THE FACT THAT THIS IS NOT A CITY, UH, OBLIGATION THAT BELONGS TO THE COUNTY BOARD.
THEY TOOK OFF SOMEWHERE AROUND $90,000 FOR THIS TYPE OF THING.
CHOSE NOT TO PUT IT WHERE IT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO.
IT WAS A, IT WAS A PRETTY GOOD AMOUNT.
AND THEY GOT A GRANT FOR WE, WE SUPPLIED A POLICEMEN.
THEY GOT THE GRANT, NEVER USED, USED SOMEWHERE ELSE, OTHER THAN THEM IN PROTECTION.
NOW IT'S TIME TO MAKE THE BOARD OF HAD TO TOW THE LINE.
JUST LIKE WE HAVE TO TELL THEM NOT TO.
WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO JUST DROP.
WE NEED TO PROCEED WITH THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.
WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO SEND THEM A LETTER.
WE'RE GOING TO SAY, COME ON AT FAST RESOLUTION, WHICH IS APPROVED BY THE BOARD WITH QUESTIONS, LEGISLATURE, TO APPROVE A LOCAL ACTS, WHICH CHANGE THE CHARTER DESCRIPTION.
AND SO THE CITY OF NEWBURGH, THIS HAS NOT BEEN DONE SINCE 19 SECOND TO BE ADOPTED.
NOW, MAX, THIS IS YOUR OFFICE.
YEAH, I HAVE, I HAVE ONE LAST THING.
AND THIS IS, THIS IS BOTHERING ME FOR QUITE A LONG TIME.
AND IT'S SOMETIMES PROVEN TO BE, IT'S PROVEN TO BE SORT OF CONTROVERSIAL.
AND IT'S BEEN IN THE NEWSPAPER LATELY AND IT'S CONTROVERSIAL THEREBY FOR LOCAL NEWSPAPER.
I'M NOT FUSSING AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL, BUT I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION.
WELL, NO, I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION AT THE NEXT MEETING AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT IT WILL BE.
SO YOU CAN BE THINKING ABOUT IT.
I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION AT THE NEXT MEETING, THAT HENCEFORTH, WE BEGIN OUR MEETINGS AFTER THE PRAYER PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG THAT WE REPRESENT AS THE LOCAL.
IF THERE'S ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT DOES NOT WANT TO STAND UP AND PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG, THAT'S FINE.
IT CAN BE OPTIONAL, BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S LONG OVERDUE.
PUT IT INTO MOTION AT THE NEXT MEETING I HAVE IN THAT.
THAT'LL GIVE YOU SOME TIME TO THINK ABOUT, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH, HAVE I
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WAS GOING TO SAY, I USED TO PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE IN THE FIRST GRADE AND NEVER DID GETTING THE WORDS, RIGHT?YOU GUYS JUST WENT RIGHT BY THAT AREA.
UM, YOU KNOW, I HAD AN EXTENDED CONVERSATION WITH BARBARA LEE RECENTLY AND THE SUBJECT OF THE CONVERSATION WAS RECREATION IN THE CITY.
AND WE WERE COMPARING RECREATION WHEN WE GREW UP, AS OPPOSED TO NOW.
AND OUR CONCLUSION WAS IS THAT WE HAVE REGRESSED AS FAR AS RECREATION.
UM, NUMBER ONE WILL COMING UP THE CITY AS CITY SPONSOR TEAMS AND NEIGHBORHOODS WERE, UH, MEMBERS OF THE TEAM, FOR INSTANCE.
SO BASEBALL, YOU KNOW, LIKE IF YOU LIVE IN A CERTAIN SECTION OF TOWN, LET'S SEE PRAY MATURES.
THEY HAD A TEAM SPONSORED BY THE CITY.
THE CITY BOUGHT THE UNIFORM THAT THEY RENT IT TO THE CHILDREN.
AND IF YOU LIVE IN TRENT COURT, THEY HAD A TEEN.
IF YOU LIVE IN RIVERSIDE, THEY HAD A TEAM.
AND, UH, BUT NOW WHAT THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT HAS TURNED INTO IS A, A MAINTENANCE ENTITY.
WHAT THEY DO IS THEY MAINTAIN THE FIELDS FOR COMPANIES, CHURCHES, AND, UH, ENTITIES THAT ARE PART OF THE CITY.
THE CONSEQUENCE OF THAT IS THAT LOCAL FOLKS, LOCAL CHILDREN, CHILDREN OF NEW BERN RESIDENTS.
THEY DON'T GET TO PLAY IF THEY DON'T BELONG TO EITHER A PARTICULAR CHURCH, IF THEY DON'T BELONG, IF THEIR PARENTS DON'T WORK AT ROBERT BOSCH OR SOME OTHER CORPORATE, WELL, WHATEVER THE NEW NAME IS, MCDONALD'S INCORPORATED OR WHATEVER.
IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU DON'T WORK, IF YOUR PARENTS DON'T WORK IN A CERTAIN BUSINESS OR YOU DON'T BELONG TO A CERTAIN CHURCH, YOU MAY NOT GET A CHANCE TO PICK PLAY, UH, BABE RUTH BASEBALL, MIDGET FOOTBALL, OR WHATEVER, WELL OR WHATEVER.
BUT THE CITY, THE CITY IS NO LONGER A SPONSOR'S TEAM.
WE DON'T HAVE A SWIMMING POOL, WHICH WE NEED TO HAVE.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT I THINK IT'S TIME THAT WE LOOK AT OUR RECREATION DEPARTMENT AND REVIEW IT FOR AN OVERHAUL, AN OVERHAUL IT TO A POINT THAT IT CATERS TO NEWBURN CHILDREN BECAUSE OF IT'S MY BELIEF THAT AN AUTO MIND IS THE DEVIL'S WORKSHOP.
I KNOW IT'S AN OLD APHORISM, BUT IT'S THE TRUTH.
AND ONLY IN NEWBURGH, YOU HAVE CHILDREN WALKING AROUND IN PACKS, YOU KNOW, AT NIGHT, WE'RE NOT KEEPING THEM BUSY ENOUGH SUMMERTIME.
UH, YOU CAN GO TO ANY, UH, UH, MOST CITIES OF OUR SIZE.
YOU KNOW, THEY ALWAYS HAVE FESTIVALS AND, UH, THINGS TO DO.
THEY KEEPING YOUNG FOLKS AND ADULTS OCCUPIED, BUT WE DON'T DO THAT.
WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS, IS WE HAVE JUST, UH, JUST HANDED OVER THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT TO OUTSIDERS.
I THINK WE NEED TO, FIRST OF ALL, REQUIRE THEM TO COME UP WITH A LONG RANGE PLAN, TO INCLUDE NUMBER ONE, LET'S GET US A SWIMMING POOL SO THAT EVERY CHILD IN THIS CITY CAN LEARN HOW TO SWIM SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A SWIMMING TEAM AND COMPETE WITH THE LIKES OF KENSTON GREENVILLE, LITTLE WASHINGTON, AND ALL THE CITIES THAT HAVE SWIMMING POOLS.
WE NEED TO HAVE TENNIS TEAM THAT CAN COMPETE WITH THE LIKES OF KENSTON, UM, GREENVILLE, GOLDSBORO, AND EXPOSE OUR YOUNG PEOPLE TO, UH, TO, TO OTHER THINGS BESIDES OF WHAT OTHER THINGS, BESIDES BASEBALL AND BASKETBALL, YOU KNOW, AROUND HERE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU BELONG TO THE COUNTRY CLUB, YOU KNOW, YOUR CHILDREN CAN BE EXPOSED TO A LOT OF THINGS, BUT I, WE WERE RAISING OUR CHILDREN, UH, IN A CRUDE MANNER BECAUSE WE'RE NOT EXPOSING THEM TO THINGS THAT OTHER CITIES TAKE FOR GRANTED.
AND IT'S TIME THAT WE, UH, WE NEED TO OVERHAUL OUR RECREATION, TO POP A DEPARTMENT AND MAKE IT MORE RESPONSIVE TO LOCAL FOLKS.
YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS GROWING UP, I CAN REMEMBER A LOT OF TIMES YOU HAD TO PLAY BASEBALL OR FOOTBALL IN A FIELD THAT WAS A LONG WAYS FROM WHERE YOU LIVED, BUT THEY HAVE A RAGGEDY CITY BUS THAT TOOK US ANYWHERE WE NEEDED TO GO, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THAT ANYMORE.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THE RECENT SURVEY DATA REQUESTED ON THE BALL FIELDS, WHEN IT SHOWED THAT 67% OF THE PEOPLE USE OUR FIELDS ARE FROM OUTSIDE THE CITY.
THAT MEANS ONLY 23% ARE IN THE CITY.
YOU EITHER GOT TOO MANY BALL FIELDS OR SOMETHING THAT'S WRONG, AND THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT, AND WE NEED TO REVIEW IT.
AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT ANYBODY, BUT I THINK THE FIRST OBLIGATION OF THIS CITY IS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S TAX DOLLARS ARE SPENT OR TO BENEFIT PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE CITY.
WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS BECAUSE IT'S NOT RIGHT.
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I TOLD MR. HARTMAN ONE DAY ABOUT A BOY FROM NEW BERN.HE, UM, HE WAS IN THERE IN THE WEST NEWBURN RECREATION DEPARTMENT AT NINE O'CLOCK ONE NIGHT.
AND THEY HAD, THEY PUT THEM OUT TO, UH, LET SOME SHAG DANCERS, UH, UH, DANCE THERE.
AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE DOING THAT WERE FROM OUTSIDE THE CITY, BUT WE NEED TO KEEP THESE YOUNG PEOPLE BUSY AND MAYBE THEY'LL STAY AWAY FROM THE MONTGOMERY WAS PARKING LOT AND THE OTHER AREAS IN THIS TOWN, BUT WE NEED TO KEEP THEM BUSY.
AND THEY'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING THAT WILL WALK AROUND AND IMPACTS LIKE HULU AND POINT A TO GET A, SOME SORT OF PROPOSAL OR STUDY OR SOMETHING DONE LEFT YOU THINK BEFORE A BUDGET SESSION? I THINK SO.
AND THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING THIS UP TIME AND THE MONEY IS SPENT, AND I THINK SOMEBODY NEEDS TO HAVE, WOULD WE GO ABOUT MAKING YOU ALL? I LIKE TO THINK THAT THAT LEADS ME RIGHT INTO WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU ABOUT TONIGHT IS THE QUESTION OF PRE BUDGET WORKSHOP THAT WE REMEMBER.
WE HAD ONE LAST YEAR ON A SATURDAY THAT ALLOWED THE DEPARTMENTS TO COME IN AND TALK WITH YOU ABOUT WHAT YOU WANTED TO SEE AND WHAT THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT PROPOSING AND KIND OF GET AN IDEA OF WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IN THE BUDGET.
SO I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU AT THIS MEETING, IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE SUCH A WORKSHOP, AND IF SO, WHICH SOMETIME THE FIRST PART OF APRIL BE ACCEPTABLE TO YOU, I WOULD THINK THAT WORKSHOP LIKE THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL IN AN AREA THAT WE PLAN ON NEED SPECIAL ATTENTION TO THOSE DEPARTMENTS.
THAT COULD BE BASIC, YOU KNOW, THAT WE DON'T ANTICIPATE TO SEE THE NEED FOR ANY PARTICULAR CHANGES THAT I MIGHT SAY, AND MAYBE THEY WOULDN'T NECESSARILY, UNLESS, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE HAD TAKEN AN INTEREST IN A PARTICULAR DEPARTMENT.
I'M INTERESTED IN THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT.
AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE IN THE SUMMERTIME IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS I HAVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT REPRESENT IS NEIGHBORHOOD PLAYGROUNDS AND NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS.
AND THEY PUT ACTIVITIES INTO DEVELOP.
I THINK THAT OUR RECREATION DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO GET MORE IN TUNE WITH THE NINETIES APPROACH TO RECREATION IS KIDS ARE A LOT BRIGHTER MINDS NEED TO BE CHALLENGED EVEN MORE THAN MAYBE THEY'RE USED TO.
IT MIGHT BE ALL RIGHT TO SAY THIS COLOR BOOK, BUT NOWADAYS YOU SAID THEY GET MACHINES THAT I CAN'T EVEN WORK.
YOU KNOW? SO WE NEED TO BE THINKING IN THOSE TERMS OF DOING THINGS THAT ARE MUCH MORE CREATIVE IN TUNE TO WHAT IS GOING ON, CAN WE NEED A SPECIAL APPROACH TO CHILDREN? YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YEAH, I GUESS IT'S THEN ONCE I GET WITH EACH OF YOU OVER THE NEXT WEEK OR SO TO SEE WHAT DEPARTMENTS IT IS THAT YOU REALLY WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT, UH, THIS UPCOMING YEAR, AS FAR AS A NEW PROGRAMS OR EXAMINING EXISTING PROGRAMS, THEN IN THAT WORKSHOP, WE WILL JUST SCHEDULE THOSE PARTICULAR ONES THAT YOU, AS MEMBERS HAVE INDICATED YOU HAVE A PARTICULAR INTEREST IN, BRING THEM IN, UH, WHATEVER YOU HAVE INDICATED YOU WANT TO LOOK AT.
I'LL HAVE THEM PREPARE SOME BACKGROUND MATERIAL AND BE PREPARED TO DISCUSS IT.
AND THEN THEY CAN COME IN AND WE CAN SIT DOWN AND YOU CAN KIND OF GO OVER WHAT YOU HAVE IN MIND FOR THAT PARTICULAR THING.
IF THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD FORMAT, AND THEN WE WON'T HAVE EVERYONE COME IN AND PROBABLY UNLESS SOMEONE HAS SOMETHING WITH EVERY DEPARTMENT, WELL, DEFINITELY RECREATION IS A DEFINITE PRIORITY BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE CAN REALLY BENEFIT FROM.
YOU CAN SEE, YOU CAN SEE SOME BENEFIT FROM THE MONEY YOU PUT IN IT.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO SEE US, YOU KNOW, WE MET ONCE OR TWICE A YEAR, THE OTHER TIME, YOU KNOW, TO GIVE THESE INPUT ON THE KIND OF ACTIVITIES IN THE CITY WHILE NOT WORKING, WE BELIEVE THAT OUR GOVERNMENT SHOULD PROVIDE COMMUNITIES, HAVE COMMUNITY RESPOND TO THEM, BUT THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO KNOW WHAT THOSE NEEDS ARE FACING, LIKE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAYGROUNDS AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF IT.
LIKE, LIKE WHEN SUSAN MOFFITT WAS TALKING ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE JSP LANE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COMMUNITY, DEVELOPING THE LANE, AND IT'D BE A PUBLIC ACCESS IF COMMUNITIES GET BACK TO THE COMMUNITY TO PROVIDE SERVICES.
BUT IF THE CITY PLAYED A NEED, UNDERSTANDING WHAT THEY NEED AND HELPING TO DEVELOP ITS PROGRAMS THAT MAYBE WOULD BE EFFECTIVE.
I WISH SOME OF THE KIDS THAT COME TO OUR, ONE OF OUR TOWN MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, EXPRESS THAT MY NOSE WAS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR, YOU KNOW, TO TELL US WHAT THEY LIKED OR DIDN'T LIKE,
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I'M SURE THE LEGS WERE FREEZING UP ON ME HERE.