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TRINITY, UNITED METHODIST CHURCH.
IF YOU SAY NO, IT'S OPEN OUR HEARTS AND MINDS TO GOD, FATHER GOD, WE DO APPRECIATE THE TREMENDOUS LOVE THAT YOU'VE EXPRESSED.
AND THE CREATION OF OUR EARS PLAY SO MUCH BETWEEN THE RIVERS TO PROVIDE SO THAT PEOPLE COULD RETIRE IN OUR AREA.
THAT WORK WOULD BE FOUND FOR OTHERS.
CHILDREN COULD BE BORN AND GROW.
WE DO APPRECIATE GOD AND GIVE THINGS FOR ALL YOU'VE DONE.
AND ALSO GOD, WE ASK YOUR GUIDANCE UPON OUR LEADERS.
THEY WILL TAKE EVERY OPPORTUNITY AND USE EVERY MEANS TO TAKE THAT, THAT YOU'VE GIVEN THEM AND USE IT TO BLESS, TO HALE THE CAREFUL TO INSPIRE THE NAME OF JESUS, GOD, IN THE NAME OF YOUR LOVE AND GRACE, WE GIVE YOU THANKS AND PRAISE BY POPULAR DEMAND HAS BEEN REQUESTED THAT WE START OUR MEETINGS WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE FROM NOW.
HERE'S THE PLAN I DON'T EVEN GET TO SIT DOWN.
I'M SUPPOSED TO PRESENT SOME RESOLUTIONS THAT WE MADE THE OTHER A WEEK TO THREE INDIVIDUALS FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR THEIR EFFORTS IN THIS SOUTHERN SURPRISE AT THIS CALL.
AND INDEED IT WAS A SURPRISE TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.
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INTEREST IN REPORT OF THE SEWER BY THE CITY ENGINEER, DAVID MEECE.AND IT'S BEEN ASKED THAT, UH, BOARD MEMBERS ALL LIKE PLANTAINS AND SO FORTH UNTIL DAVID GETS ALL THE WAY THROUGH HIS PRESENTATION.
I SUPPOSE, MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO AMEND THAT IF I MAY, FOR DIFFERENT ISSUES TO SPEAK TO, AND THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE FOUR ISSUES.
ONE, ALLOW YOU TO ASK QUESTIONS IF YOU'D LIKE, AND AS TO THE NEXT, UH, THE FOUR ISSUES I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO TONIGHT CONCERNING THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT FEBRUARY WAS A VERY BUSY MONTH.
UH, NUMBER ONE, WE HAD A SLUDGE SPILL THAT OCCURRED ON FEBRUARY 18TH.
THERE HAS BEEN ALSO A SECOND ISSUE.
A LOT OF ALLEGATIONS MADE IN THE MEDIA CONCERNING OUR SLUDGE HAULING OPERATION, WHICH OCCURRED, UH, FEBRUARY 22ND THROUGH THE 25TH.
A THIRD ITEM IS A VIOLATION, WHICH WE, WHICH WE SHALL RECEIVE FOR THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY.
AND THE FOURTH IS THE REPORT OF SOME TOXICITY TEST INFORMATION THAT I'D LIKE TO BRING TO YOU.
NUMBER ONE, BEING THE SMART SPILL ON FEBRUARY 6TH, THE PLANT PERSONNEL DISCOVERED THAT OUR NUMBER THREE DIGESTER, WHICH IS OUR HOLDING TANK, UH, FOR THE PLANT WAS OVERFLOWING OUT OF A PIPE THAT IS DESIGNED AS A SAFETY MANAGER, UH, THAT FLOWS BACK INTO THE PLANT.
IT'S A SAFETY MEASURE TO KEEP THIS DIGESTER FROM OVERFLOWING.
UM, WE BEGAN AT THAT POINT IN TIME TO WONDER WHAT WAS CAUSING IT BECAUSE BOTH THE DIGESTER COVER A LOCATION AS WELL AS, UH, AN A MECHANICAL INDICATOR THAT IS ON THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING, UH, DID NOT INDICATE THAT THE FLUID LEVEL IN THE DIGESTER SHOULD BE AS HIGH AS, AS THERE FOR FULL REPLY AND SHOULD NOT BE OVERFLOWING INTO THE TIME, UH, OVER A WEEK AND A HALF PERIOD, UH, PERSONNEL CHECKED OUT ALL OF THE SYSTEMS WITH AS-BUILT INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE IN THE PLANT AND DISCOVERED THAT ALL SYSTEMS WERE OPERATING POS, UH, THE WAY THEY WERE DESIGNED AND AS SHOWN ON THE AS-BUILT INFORMATION, THE, UH, EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES THAT LED TO A CHAIN OF EVENTS THAT ACTUALLY CAUSES FILL AND TAKE ANYWHERE 18TH.
THE STORM THAT CAME THROUGH ON JANUARY 14TH, THAT IS CALLED AN HERE BY THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE, UH, ACTUALLY COCKED THE DIGESTER ANYWAY IN CIRCUMSTANCE WAS THE DISCOVERY ON FEBRUARY SIX OF THIS SLUDGE THAT WAS PASSING THROUGH THE OVERFLOW DRAIN BACK INTO THE PLANT, WHICH CAUSES SEVERAL PROBLEMS WITHIN THE PLANT AND ITS OPERATION.
AND THEN THE THIRD PROBLEM WAS, UH, AN INABILITY TO REALLY DISCOVER WHAT TYPE OF COVER WE HAVE ON OUR DIGESTER AS WELL.
INFORMATION DID NOT GIVE US ACCURATE INFORMATION AS TO WHAT WE WERE DEALING WITH.
ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE OBTAINED OVER THE 10 DAY PERIOD WE WERE INVESTIGATING.
THIS LED US TO A DECISION THAT WAS MADE ON FEBRUARY 17TH AND SORT OF OUT THE OVERFLOW DRAIN COMING OUT OF THE NUMBER THREE DIGESTER.
THIS WAS DONE FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.
EVERY TIME WE WERE TRANSFERRING SLUDGE FROM OUR NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO DIGESTER, IT WAS TRANSFERRED BACK INTO THE PLANT THROUGH THE OVERFLOW DRAIN.
THIS IS DOING NOTHING BUT PUTTING MORE SOLIDS IN THE PLANT.
UH, AND THIS IS A CONCENTRATED, UH, SOLID THAT'S GOING BACK.
IT HAS A HIGH PHOSPHORUS CARAMEL, IT'S AN INERT MATERIAL.
IT'S NOT A NORMALLY DIGESTER SYSTEM IS NOT DESIGNED TO HANDLE, UH, SLUGS THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN TREATED.
AND SO IT WAS CAUSING, UH, SUSPENDED SOLIDS PROBLEMS, PHOSPHORUS PROBLEM.
UH, THERE WAS THIS, UH, SLUGS BLANKETS IN THE CLARIFIERS WERE RISING.
UM, I HAVE TO GIVE THE PLANT PERSONNEL, UH, HIGH COMMENDATION BECAUSE DURING ALL OF THE INCIDENCES THAT OCCURRED IN FEBRUARY, UH, REALLY THE, THE ONLY THING THAT WE VIOLATED WAS THE TOTAL SUSPENDED SOLIDS MOVEMENT.
IT'S CALLED THE PLANT EFFICIENCY.
WE WERE SUPPOSED TO READ AT 85% RATE.
AND BECAUSE OF ALL THESE EXTRA SOLIDS THAT WERE PUT IN THE PLANT, WE ONLY REMOVED 81.2% WITH ALL THIS INFORMATION.
WE CLOSED THE VALVE AND KNOWING THAT WE WERE AFFECTING A SF,
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A SAFETY MECHANISM AND THE PLANT, WE HAD SOME VERY STRINGENT GUIDELINES.WE ASKED THE PLANT PERSONNEL THAT WHEN TRANSFERS WERE MADE OUT OF THE NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO DIGESTER, THAT THEY CLIMB UP ON TOP OF THE DIGESTER AND ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE FLUID LEVEL BETWEEN THE COVER AND THE CONCRETE WALL, WHICH WOULD GIVE YOU AN INDICATION OF WHERE THE FLUID LEVEL ON TWO UNDER THE COVER WAS THAT, UH, OPERATORS DID EVERYTHING THAT WE ASKED THEM TO DO.
UH, THE OPERATOR ON DUTY THAT NIGHT FOR NORMAL FAULTS SHORTLY AFTER 11 O'CLOCK AT, UH, APPROXIMATELY TWO TO 10:00 AM.
HE PASSED BY THE DIGESTER AND NOTICED THERE HAD NOT BEEN A PROBLEM.
HE HAD CLIMBED UP ON TOP OF THE DIGESTER ABOUT 1 45 TO ONE 50, SOMEWHERE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD HAD INVESTIGATED AS HE WAS INSTRUCTED.
HE WENT DOWN AND DID SOME OPERATIONS DOWN AT THE TAIL END OF THE PLANT.
AND WHEN HE RETURNED AT 2 45, HE SAW THE OVERFLOW TAKING PLACE OUT IN THE NUMBER THREE DIGESTER.
HE, UH, IMMEDIATELY WENT INSIDE THE BUILDING, TURN IT OFF THE PUMP THAT WAS PUMPING OUT OF THE DOCK.
NUMBER ONE, AND NUMBER TWO DIGESTER, AND OPENED UP THE OVERFLOW VALVE THAT WE HAD INSERTED, WHICH IMMEDIATELY GOT ALL THE STUFF THAT WE PUT IN THE NUMBER THREE, NINE DISTRICT, TRYING TO HOLD IN THAT TANK BACK INTO THE PLANT.
UM, THE SPILL THAT OCCURRED WHEN I STEPPED AWAY, IT OCCURRED AS I'VE SHOWN HERE, A VERY CRUDE DRAWING OF THE POINT HERE.
THIS IS THE ONE THAT JESTER IT OVER FOR THIS DIGESTER AND WENT TO A DITCH IN TWO DIFFERENT STREAMS THAT SHOWN ALONG THIS BLACK LINE, SEE THAT THE, THE CHIEF OPERATOR OF THE PLANT WAS NOTIFIED IMMEDIATELY BY THE OPERATOR ON DUTY AND APPROXIMATELY FIVE 30 IN THE MORNING, WE INSTALLED DAMS. YOU SEE THE SQUIGGLY MARKS AT EACH END OF THE PLANT.
UH, THIS CONTAINED THE, UH, SPILL TO A DITCH IT'S ADJACENT TO THE PLANT, UH, GOING BACK AND CALCULATING PUMPING TIMES.
AND, UH, THE POSSIBILITY OF HOW MUCH COULD HAVE GOTTEN OUT OF THE DIGESTER FROM APPROXIMATELY 2:10 AM, TILL 2 49 WERE TURNED OFF.
I ESTIMATED TO BE NO MORE THAN 5,000 GALLONS WHEN WE FINE TUNE THOSE CALCULATIONS.
AND WE FIGURED THAT PROBABLY 3000 GALLONS THAT WERE REMOVED OUT OF THE DIGESTER AND FLOATED DOWN THE BACK INTO THE DITCH.
THE NEXT MORNING I REPORTED TO A BARRY ADAMS OF THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGEMENT AT HOME.
UH, HE GAVE HIM INSTRUCTIONS AS TO WHAT WE SHOULD DO.
UM, WE, WE KEPT THE DANCE IN PLACE AND WE TOOK FECAL RESULTS ON BOTH SIDES OF THOSE DAMS. UH, AT THE INITIAL, UH, PEOPLE RESULTS CAME BACK.
THEY WERE IN THE 1000 RANGE AND DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGEMENT CONTENDED THAT INDEED THE SLUDGE HAD GOTTEN OUTSIDE OF OUR DAMS BEFORE WE PUT THEM UP.
UH, WE CONTINUED TO TAKE FECAL SAMPLES FOR APPROXIMATELY 30 DAYS.
AND IN THOSE 30 DAYS OF SAMPLES, WE FOUND THAT FECAL RESULTS IN THE BACKGROUND OF THOSE DITCHES ON BOTH ENDS EXCEEDED 3000 TO 5,000 FECALS.
UM, THE FECAL COUNT WAS HIGHER THAN WHAT WE ACTUALLY FOUND AS A BACKGROUND, THE DAY OF THE SPILL.
SO MY CONTENTION IS THAT WE DID CONTAIN THAT SPILL AND THOSE 1000 COUNTS, UH, FOR FECALS WERE JUST A GOOD BACKGROUND FOR, FOR A DITCH.
UM, WE HAVE REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THEY SHOULD BE HIGHER THAN THAT FELT THAT A THOUSAND DID NOT INDICATE THAT, UH, ARE STILL HAD BREACHED OUR DAMS. UH, THE FINAL FINALLY, UH, WE WENT THROUGH THE CLEANUP WHERE YOU SCOOP THE, UH, DRAGS SLUDGE OUT OF THE DITCH AS THE WEATHER CLEARED AND DRIED UP, UH, AS DOM HAD REQUESTED US TO DO.
AND, UH, WE HAD BEEN GIVEN A CRITERIA WHEN WE COULD OPEN THOSE DITCHES.
WE MET THAT CRITERIA, UM, ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO AND ACTUALLY OPENED THE DAMS ON THE 25TH OF THIS MONTH.
UM, IN A LETTER THAT WAS WRITTEN BY BARRY ADAMS, HE OUTLINED THOSE THINGS AND GAVE ME CONDITIONS VERBALLY.
JOHN RECEIVED THE LETTER TO OPEN THOSE DAMS. SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THE SLUDGE SPILL AND IT WAS, IT WAS HIGHLY ADVERTISED IN THE MEDIA.
UH, I OPENED UP THE FLOOR FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE RIGHT NOW.
LET ME ASK YOU ONE, YOU SAID THAT YOU HAD SOMEBODY VISUALLY CHECKING THE LEVEL OF THE FLUID IN THE DIGESTER.
UH, HAS ANYBODY EVER HAD TO CHECK THE LEFT IS THE LEVEL OF THE FLUID, A NORMAL, UH, CONCERN THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE AN OPERATING THE PLANT? NO, SIR.
NORMALLY YOU WOULD HAVE THE OVERFLOW DRAIN, WHICH WE INDICATED THAT SLUDGE WAS ACTUALLY GOING THROUGH THIS OVERFLOW RANK, WHICH IS LOCATED TWO FEET
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BELOW THE, THE TOP OF THE CONCRETE CONTAINMENT ONESELF.SO UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES, WITHOUT THAT, WITHOUT THAT VALVE INSERTED, IF WE PUMPED TOO MUCH INTO THAT ADDRESS, OR IF WE COME BACK OUT OF THE OVERFLOW DRAIN AND RUN INTO THE PLANT, UM, WE, WE WERE KNOWINGLY, UH, CLOSING THAT OFF BECAUSE IN DOING THAT, I DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO GET REAL TECHNICAL, BUT IN DOING THAT, AND WE COULD NOT OPERATE OUR NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO DIGESTERS, WE NEEDED TO BECOME SUPERNATANT.
WE COULD CLOSE THE DRAIN OUT IN THE YARD, BUT IN CLOSING THAT WE S WE TOTALLY SHUT DOWN THE DIGESTER OPERATIONS.
AND THE ONLY WAY THAT WE FELT LIKE WE COULD GET TO A POINT WHERE WE COULD PUMP IN THE HALL WAS TO PUT THIS, PUT THIS DRAIN, PUT THIS BATTLE AND TO STOP THE DRAINAGE FROM OCCURRING.
AND WE'RE IN A FIRE CALCULATIONS.
UH, THE OVERFLOW SHOULD NOT HAVE OCCURRED.
WE CALCULATED, COULD ACTUALLY TRANSFER FLUID THREE DIFFERENT TIMES.
AND, UH, WHAT I SUSPECT WAS HAPPENING IS THAT IN THE COURSE OF OUR INVESTIGATION, AND AFTER THE FALL OCCURRED, WE FOUND THAT THE DIGESTER PHONES WAS LEAKING GAS, WHICH WOULD CAUSE IT TO FLOAT.
UH, RATHER THAN SAYING, WE BELIEVE IT'S JUST ALL THEORETICAL, BUT WE BELIEVE THAT THE DIGESTER COVER WAS ACTUALLY THE SINK WHILE WE WERE PUMPING, WHICH WERE THROW OUT ALL OUR CALCULATIONS AND ACTUALLY WORK AGAINST US IN THAT I REPORTED ALL OF THAT TO THE BLINK.
THE OTHER THAN I THINK ALL OF Y'ALL HAVE ANYBODY GOT ANY QUESTIONS? ANYBODY? I GOT ONE JUST FOR MY INFORMATION, MAYBE SOME OTHER PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT A FECAL COUNT.
YOU SAID A THOUSAND THOUSAND WATT, UH, IT'S A MOST PROBABLE NUMBER PER GRAM OF SOLID, I BELIEVE IS THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN.
IT IS, UH, IT'S A TEST THAT'S TAKEN AND THEY PUT ACCORDING TO WHATEVER YOU FEEL LIKE THE PARAMETERS GOING TO BE THERE'S ABOUT I THINK, 10 OR 11 DIFFERENT PARAMETERS TO ACTUALLY COUNT HOW MANY FECAL SAMPLES, HOW MANY, UH, FECAL COLONIES HAVE BEEN, UH, ROAM ON A PETRI DISH.
AND, UH, THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS TO CALCULATE IT, BUT UNDER THE PARAMETERS WE CAME UP WITH A THOUSAND MINUTES, IT'S CALLED THE MOST PROBABLE NUMBER IS ACTUALLY THE GEOMETRIC MEAN NUMBER OF VERY SOPHISTICATED MANNER.
HE LOST, LOST MANY ALSO, UH, WHAT, WHAT'S THE AVERAGE? I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU CONSIDER NORMAL? WELL, UH, OUR, UH, LIMITS GOING OUT OR THE PLAN IS TO COME TO HUNT AND THAT IS CONSIDERED, UH, AN ACCEPTABLE, UH, WATER QUALITY STANDARDS.
AND WE WERE AT A THOUSAND, WHICH IS NOT, NOT THAT HIGH ABOVE THE 200 A MINUTE.
UM, FICO IS A, IS A, NOTHING BUT A SCIENTIFIC INDICATOR OF WHAT PATHOGEN MAY BE LIVING IN THE WATER ITSELF.
AND SO IT'S KIND OF AN INEXACT SCIENCE, BUT IT'S THE BEST THING THAT A HEALTH ENVIRONMENTALIST DETERMINES WHERE THE PATHOGENS ARE.
DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHAT THE COUNTY IS COMING IN? UH, WELL, IN THAT DITCH, THERE'S, THERE'S NO WAY OF TELLING HER WE'RE ACTUALLY AT A RIGHT POINT AT THE PLANET, I SUPPOSE, COMING INTO YOUR PLANT.
SO WE'RE TALKING, WE'RE REDUCING IT ALMOST DOWN TO NOTHING.
WELL, TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF HAULING SLOTS CAN BE APPLIED ON LAND AND LIMIT ALL THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE PROCEEDING? THE SECOND POINT OF CONTENTION HAS BEEN RAISED, UM, THROUGH THE MEDIA IS, UH, THERE WAS A LOT OF ALLEGATIONS MADE CONCERNING OUR HAULING OPERATION, SUBSEQUENT TO THE SPILL, UH, AFTER THE CONTAINER, THE SPILL.
AND WE RECUPERATED FROM THAT, WE ALIGNED UP WITH OUR HOLLERS TO COME IN AND HAUL THE SLUDGE OUT OF THE NUMBER THREE DIGESTOR.
UH, IN THE COURSE OF, OF THE ACTIVITY, WE ACTUALLY USED OUR SLOW, THE DRYING BEDS, AS WELL AS ALL THE PASSING WHO THEN THE DIGESTERS AND THE HOLLERS CAME IN ON FEBRUARY 22ND.
AND, UH, WE HAULED THROUGH THE 25TH.
THERE WAS SOME ALLEGATIONS MADE THAT, UH, WE HAD ILLEGALLY TRANSFERRED SLUDGE FROM OUR NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO, DIGESTER INTO THE NUMBER THREE DURING THE HAULING OPERATION.
UH, I TOOK THAT INFORMATION AND CONTACTED CAROLYN MCCASKILL WHO ADMINISTERS THE EPA, UH, SLIDES REGULATIONS FOR THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA.
UH, WHAT WE DID, UH, AND HAVE DONE IN THE PAST AT OUR PLANT EXCEEDED ALL STATE AND FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS.
UM, BASICALLY THE ALLEGATIONS CAME FROM SOURCES THAT WERE UNINFORMED AS TO EXACTLY WHAT THE FIVE OR THREE REGULATIONS SAY.
UH, THEY CAME INTO EFFECT IN FEBRUARY OF 1993, WHICH
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SUPERSEDE ALL OF OUR STATE REGULATIONS, UM, BASICALLY TO THE UNION EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO.UM, DEPENDING ON THE AMOUNT OF DRY METRIC TONES THAT WE CALL EACH YEAR, WE HAVE TO GO ON A SAMPLING SCHEDULE, OUR PLAN AT, UH, ROUGHLY 2.9 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.
AVERAGE, UH, WOULD BE EXPECTED TO HAUL LESS THAN, UH, UH, 200 TO 250, UH, DROWN METRIC TONS PER YEAR.
UH, THERE WAS A LIMIT, UH, IF WE, IF WE DO NOT SEE THE LIMIT, THE NUMBER ESCAPES ME STANDING HERE RIGHT NOW, HAD IT ALL AND TOOK THEM ON TOTAL, RIGHT TO SAY, AND IT'S JUST ESCAPING.
UH, WE ONLY HAVE TO SAMPLE ONE TIME PER YEAR IF YOU EXCEED THAT NUMBER, BUT ARE LESS THAN 500 METRIC TONS A YEAR, THEN YOU HAVE TO SAP THE QUARTERLY, THE MORE, THE MORE METRIC TONES THAT YOU HAUL EVERY YEAR, THE MORE YOU HAVE TO SAMPLE UP TO EVERY 30 DAYS, UH, OPERATION IS STANDARD.
OPERATING PROCEDURE HAS BEEN TO TAKE THE FECAL SAMPLES AND THEN TURN AROUND AND WAIT UNTIL THE HOLLER CAME IN WITHOUT TRANSLATING ANY SLUDGE INTO THE NUMBER THREE DIGESTER.
AND THEN HALLIE, THAT'S NOT NECESSARY.
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS TAKE THE FECAL SAMPLE.
AND ONCE IN OUR DIGESTER, WE'VE NEVER SEEDED ABOUT 79,000 AS THE HIGHEST I'VE EXPERIENCED HERE AT THE PLANT.
UM, IN THE LAST YEAR, IT WAS 49,000 OF MY ANNUAL REPORT IN THE, IN THE LIMIT IS 2 MILLION.
SO WE'VE NEVER BEEN ANYWHERE NEAR THE FECAL LIMIT, AS FAR AS THE SECOND PARAMETER, THAT WAS A POINT OF CONTENTION IS, UM, THEN THE, UH, TIMEFRAME WHEN THE DIGESTER OPERATOR MS. MCGANN SKULL, UH, REFERRED ME BACK TO THE REGULATION.
AND YOU SAID, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS MAKE THE VECTOR REDUCTION, WHICH IS A REDUCTION OF THE ORGANIC MATERIAL IN THE SLUDGE.
AND, UM, WE DID THAT BY ACTUALLY APPLYING THE SLIDES AND THEN TURN IT IN UNDER, RATHER THAN MEANING THE VECTOR REDUCTION IN THE PLANT, WHICH WE REMOVE ALL OF THE ORGANIC MATERIAL.
AND THERE'S ANOTHER LABORATORY TEST THAT'S DONE FOR THAT.
WE DID NOT MEET THAT, BUT THERE ARE 10 DIFFERENT WAYS THAT YOU CAN QUALIFY, MEANING THAT VECTOR REDUCTION AND HALLWAY, AND BEING ABLE TO APPLY THE SKILLS.
THE OTHER IS IF YOU MEET THE FECAL LIMIT AND DO THE PLANT OPERATION, AS IT HAS BEEN IN THE PAST, WE HAD NO CONCERN AS TO WHETHER WE WOULD MEET THAT FECAL LIMIT OR NOT.
WE ACTUALLY TOOK TWO TESTS BEFORE WE HAULED THIS TIME.
AND THE THIRD THING THAT WE HAVE TO MEET IS WE HAVE TO BE WITHIN OUR MPDS PERMIT, WHICH YOU KNOW, WHERE STRIVING TO, TO MEET THAT.
SO UNDER THE REGULATIONS IS, AS I OUTLINED THEM TO HER AND OPERATION, SHE AGAIN, STATED, UH, IN THE SECOND CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD MET ALL OF THE STATE AND FEDERAL REGULATIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? YES.
IF A LOT OF THIS FLAT OCCURRED BECAUSE OF THE EMPLOYEE, THERE DID NOT UNDERSTAND FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE REGULATIONS REQUIRED.
THE CITY IS AT TIME THAT WE RAISED THE EDUCATIONAL REQUIREMENT OF THOSE WORKING AT THE PLANT.
SINCE I REALIZED THERE ARE, THERE ARE VARIOUS LEVELS OF CERTIFICATION THAT THESE OPERATORS CAN REACH.
IS IT TIME FOR US TO TIGHTEN THE STANDARDS AND REQUIRE OUR OPERATORS TO REACH A HIGHER LEVEL OF CERTIFICATION? YES, SIR.
I, I DON'T FEEL LIKE I'M AT LIBERTY TO DISCUSS THE EMPLOYEE FOLLOWING ORDERED THERE.
THERE'S DEFINITELY A BREACH OF MOLE PROCEDURES TO REPORT PROBLEMS. SUBSEQUENT ACTION WAS TAKEN TO THAT, WHICH HAS THAT'S ABOUT ALL I REALLY LIKE TO SAY ABOUT, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE THEY WERE, I'M NOT PICKING ON YOU BECAUSE I THINK YOU'VE DONE A GOOD JOB AND I SURELY THINK YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO WHAT WE WANT DONE, BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THAT, LIKE MURPHY'S LAW THAT EVERY TIME WE LOOK UP, IT'S SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE SEWER PLANT AND IN THE RED ROOM AND THIS AND THAT.
AND, UH, ONE THING THAT I'VE NOTICED IS THAT A LOT OF TIMES, AND HISTORICALLY WE TALK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED, BUT WE DON'T EVER TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'VE DONE OR WHAT WE'VE IMPLEMENTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT INSTANCE DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.
AND, UH, I THINK WE NEED TO BE DOING THAT FOR OURSELVES AND FOR THE PUBLIC.
I'M SURE YOU'VE DONE SOME THINGS TOO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE THINGS DON'T HAPPEN AGAIN.
FOR AN EXAMPLE OF NEXT TIME, A WIND STORM COMES THROUGH, SOMEBODY IS GOING TO LOOK VERY CAREFULLY AT THE LEAD ON THAT THING, YOU KNOW, ONCE THE POT BOILS OVER WHY EVERYBODY'S LEARNING THAT LESSON, HOPEFULLY, BUT IT'S SORT OF, UH, I DON'T KNOW, EMBARRASSING, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY THAT.
I KNOW THAT ALL OF US WANT A CLEAN RIVER AND ALL OF US ARE TRYING HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT HAPPENS.
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IN FACT, I'LL STICK MY NECK OUT FOR ENOUGH TO SAY IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.BUT THE THING IS, WE NEED TO PUT IN PLACE, YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT PREVENTING MAINTENANCE, THINGS THAT YOU'RE DOING AND SO FORTH AND SO ON, AND THEY'LL BEAR FRUIT OVER TIME, BUT WE HAVE GOT TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT WE'RE ABSOLUTELY DETERMINED THAT WE'RE GOING TO RUN THE PLANT IN THE PROPER MANNER AND BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE RUNS ONE ANYWHERE ELSE.
SO MY ATTITUDE HAS BEEN, AND WILL ALWAYS CONTINUE TO BE THAT CIRCUMSTANCES ARE GOING TO ARISE FROM TIME TO TIME THAT ARE BEYOND YOUR CONTROL AND THINGS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN THAT YOU MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO CONTROL.
YOU FULLY DISCLOSED THAT AND WORK WITHIN WHATEVER PARAMETERS YOU FIND YOURSELF WITH HIM AND PUT THINGS IN PLACE LATER THAT DOESN'T HAVE THEM AGAIN.
AND THE SPEAK, SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE MADE, WE ARE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, PUTTING ANOTHER DEVICE ON THAT DIGESTER SO THAT WE DO KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THAT FLUID LEVEL IS.
THE MECHANICAL DEVICES THERE NOW IS INADEQUATE FOR SONIC LEVEL.
IT REALLY HAS NOTHING BUT WHERE THE COVER IS AT, AND THAT DOESN'T MAKE INTO ACCOUNT ANYTHING ABOUT HOW MUCH PASSES UNDER THE LID OR HOW HIGH THE LIDS FLOATING OR ANY OF THOSE PARAMETERS, UH, BY ALL, ALL INDICATIONS WE SHOULD HAVE HAD ANOTHER MONTH'S WORTH OF SLUDGE WOULD HAVE PUT INTO THAT DIGESTER.
IN FACT, WE WERE FULL, UH, I HAVE ALREADY BEGUN TO LOCATE AND PUT INTO PLACE STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES, WHICH PLANT PERSONNEL WILL BE ABLE TO GO TO A BOOK, READ THE PROCEDURE AND GOING WITH, IN OPERATE OUT OF THAT PROCEDURE, GENERAL MAINTENANCE TYPE PROCEDURES THAT SHOULD BE KNOWN AND FOLLOWED BY ALL PLANT PERSONNEL.
AND WE ARE TAKING A PROACTIVE APPROACH TO IMPROVING THE CONDITIONS OF THE PLANT.
I BELIEVE THAT THE PLAN IS, IS, IS A GOOD POINT AND IT'S FORGIVING PLANT.
IT'S JUST THAT IT SEEMS THAT ALL OF THESE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT OCCURRED ONE RIGHT AFTER ANOTHER.
AND, UM, HOPEFULLY THIS WILL BE THE LAST OF THE SITUATION THAT I HAPPEN TO SPEAK NEGATIVELY ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENED OUT THERE.
THE THIRD ITEM THAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WAS THE VIOLATION OF THE PERMIT THAT I'VE ALREADY ALLUDED TO IT.
UM, THE AMOUNT OF STORES THAT WAS COMING OUT OF THE NUMBER THREE DIGESTION AND GETTING BACK TO THE PLANET IS GOING THROUGH OUR CLARIFIERS AND BEING DUMPED OUT OF THE PLANT.
WE DID NOT EXCEED OUR WEEKLY LIMITS, WHICH WAS 45 MILLIGRAMS PER LITER OF TOTAL SUSPENDED SOLIDS.
WHEN WE MET OUR MONTHLY LIMIT OF 30 MILLIGRAMS PER LITER OF TOTAL SUSPENDED SOLIDS, I'LL JUST GIVE CREDIT TO THE OPERATIONS OF THE PLANT FOR THAT, BECAUSE IT TOOK A GREAT DEAL OF TIME AND A GREAT DEAL OF OVERTIME TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THE SOLIDS WITH THE DIGESTERS IN THE SHAPE THAT THEY WERE IN THE SITUATION THAT WE FOUND OURSELVES IN.
UM, THE FOURTH THING THAT I WANTED TO SPEAK UP, THAT WE WILL PROBABLY RECEIVE A NOTICE OF VIOLATION ON THAT PLANET EFFICIENCY CASE IN THE LETTER, AS YOU SAW THAT, UH, THAT THEY'VE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT ALL OF THE EVENTS THAT OCCURRED ON FEBRUARY.
THE FOURTH THING THAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WAS THE TOXICITY TEST.
IN DECEMBER, WE FAILED A TOXICITY TEST.
UH, IT WAS ABOUT THE 14TH OR 15TH OF DECEMBER.
UH, WE IMMEDIATELY ACTUALLY IT TAKES A WEEK TO GET THE RESULTS BACK.
SO REALLY WHEN WE HAVE THE RESULTS, WE SET UP THE TEST AGAIN, WHICH TAKES A TWO DAY PERIOD.
UH, WE FAILED THE SECOND TEST IN DECEMBER.
UH WE'RE WE WERE REQUIRED TO TAKE A QUARTERLY TOXICITY TASK.
UM, WE CONTINUED AND TOOK A THIRD TEST ON JANUARY THE FIFTH AND ALSO FAILED IT, UH, LATER IN JANUARY, UH, UNDER SUPERVISION FROM THE STATE.
AND WE TOOK A, ANOTHER TEST JANUARY 22ND, WHICH WE PASSED ALL OF THESE TESTS, WENT TO OUR NORMAL LABORATORY JR REED, UH, BECAUSE OF THE, WE HAD, WE HAD IDEAS AS TO WHY WE WERE FAILING.
ALL OF THOSE WERE, UH, I GUESS, DISPROVED, IF YOU USE THAT WORD WITH OUR THIRD FAILURE ON JANUARY 5TH, WHEN WE, WHEN WE PASSED ON JANUARY 22ND, THAT WAS THE FIRST OF TWO ROUGHLY TESTS THAT WE HAD TO PASS TO GET BACK INTO COMPLIANCE.
YOU TOOK A SPLIT SECOND WITH THE STATE ON FEBRUARY THE 14TH, WHICH PASSED AT THE STATE LABORATORY, BUT FATAL ARE NORMAL LABORATORY, UH, JR.
REED, UH, THAT PUT INTO QUESTION, UM, IN MY MIND ARE FAILURES THAT HAD OCCURRED TWO IN DECEMBER THE EARLIER, EARLIER IN JANUARY.
UM, I'VE MADE THAT CONTINGENT TO THE STATEMENT,
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JUST RECEIVED THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION ON THAT TOXICITY.UH, I WILL CONTEND TO BE STUDIED THAT THOSE THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, UH, MARCH 22ND, WE TOOK ANOTHER SPLIT SAMPLE WITH THE STATE.
UH, I RECEIVED INFORMATION YESTERDAY THAT WE HAVE PASSED FROM J ARMY, BUT I'VE NOT HEARD FROM THE STATE.
SO OUR TOXICITIES, AS FAR AS THE STATE IS CONCERNED BACK IN COMPLIANCE, AND WE'LL GO BACK TO A, A QUARTERLY, UH, SAMPLING ALL THE TOXICITY AS TO WHY WE FAILED ON THAT STILL, I THINK UP FOR DEBATE.
AND NOW WE'LL CONTEND THE NOTICE OF ALLEGATIONS TO THE DUMBED DOWN FROM THE STAPLE, THOSE TOXICITIES IN DECEMBER, JANUARY.
AND WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT'S UP FOR DEBATE? IS THAT THE DEBATE THAT THEY WERE ACTUALLY TOXIC OR IT'S AFTER THE BABIES IS WHAT THEY CALL AS WELL.
UH, IT'S UP FOR DEBATE AS TO THE ACCURACY OF THE TEST, BECAUSE YOU HAVE A SPLIT SAMPLE AND THE STATE LABORATORY FAILED US AND FAILED US QUITE SUBSTANTIALLY.
WE HAD, THERE WERE 40 FISH THAT ARE PUT ON SEPARATE TANKS, 10 IN EACH TANK.
AND, UH, UH, OUT OF THE 47 DIED AT THE, AT THE LABORATORY WE'RE USING.
AND, UH, AT STATE WE HAD NO FATALITIES WITH THE SAME SAMPLE.
SAME SAMPLE SPLIT AND TAKEN BY A DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGEMENT, UH, COMPONENTS OFFICE.
I SAID IT MIGHT'VE BEEN SOME HUMAN ERROR AND TAKING A TEST.
OR, WELL DEALING WITH FLATHEAD AND A FISH THEY'RE KEPT IN A QUARRY.
THERE WAS NO TELLING CONDITIONER.
THE FISH MAY HAVE BEEN BANDAGED OFF CONDITIONING OF THE FISH ARE SOME PARAMETERS THAT ARE, THAT ARE QUESTIONABLE ABOUT 80 QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
YOU FEEL GOOD ABOUT CONTROLLING THE SITUATION, MAN.
ALL THE SITUATIONS, ALL THE PROBLEMS WE'VE HAD.
WELL, I STILL CONTINUE TO HAVE SOME, UH, EMPLOYEE PROBLEMS THAT THAT IS, I GUESS, A TYPICAL WE'LL DEAL WITH THOSE AS THEY ARISE, THE PLAN PLANT IS OPERATING WELL, WE HAVE A CITIZEN OR SOMEBODY CALLING A COMPLAINT LIKE THE SMELL, REMEMBER A MONTH OR TWO AGO AT WHATEVER, WHO DID THEY CALL IT? INTAKE TYPICALLY? IS IT DIFFERENT PEOPLE OR, WELL, IT DEPENDS ON WHO THEY CAN GET IN CONTACT WITH, UH, SOME, SOME REPORTS COMING INTO ORDER DEPARTMENT, SOME COME INTO THE WASTE TREATMENT PLANT.
SO UNTIL YOU RECOMMEND WE'LL, DO YOU GET THEM ALL DOWN? I THINK I DON'T GET EVERY SINGLE ONE BECAUSE THEY'LL GO OUT AND TEST IF THEY FIND A TEST AND IT'S NOTHING THAT I DON'T HEAR ABOUT IT.
I DID HAVE A CALL ABOUT THE DITCH NEXT TO MS. RANDOLPH'S HOUSE.
SHE CALLED ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO, I GUESS, OR THREE WEEKS AND WAS COMPLAINING ABOUT THE SMELL THERE I, SOMEBODY DOWN, WE TOOK A SAMPLE AND THE SAMPLE JUST PROVED THEY HAD BACKGROUNDS.
IT WASN'T ANY WASTE OR ANYTHING, BUT I LIKE TO, IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO BE NOTIFIED MYSELF PERSONALLY, ABOUT EVERY COMPLAINT, DEALING WITH THE QUALITY OF THE WATER, WHETHER IT'S UNFOUNDED FOUNDED OR DREAMED UP, OR WHETHER IT'S REAL.
I DON'T WANT TO READ ABOUT HIM IN THESE PAPER OR HEAR SOMEBODY ELSE TALKING ABOUT IT OR WHATEVER.
AND I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT, AND I WANT THE, AGAIN, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON THE RIVER, UH, WHICH I'M ON, I HAVE TO BE ON THE TRAMP LEVEL, BUT, UH, I WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO CALL AND MEET, THEN IF THEY'VE GOT A PROBLEM WITH THE WAY IT LOOKS, MALES ARE FIELDS AND THEY CAN TRUST ME TO TELL THEM IF IT'S COMING FROM OUR PLANT.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NEVER GOING TO GET ANYWHERE.
AND WHEN PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE DOING THE BEST WE CAN AND THE BEST IS GOING TO BE THAT WATER IS GOING TO BE CLEAN.
I HAVE A NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF ALL OF Y'ALL KNOW ABOUT IT, BUT THE HEARING THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE TONIGHT HAS BEEN CALLED OFF.
AND THE REASON BEING MR. WARDEN, YOU MAY WANT TO, YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN THAT? SO I EXPLAIN IT OR I'LL BE HAPPY.
ASPECT OF A COPY OF PUBLIC NOTICE VITALS YESTERDAY, THE ONE WHO WAS RUNNING THE PLAYBOOK TWO WEEKS AGO, AND AGAIN, LAST WEEK, THIS WAS PREPARED BY STAFF AND PUBLISHED IN A PAPER.
WHEN I READ IT, I REALIZED THAT IT WAS NOT AN ADEQUATE LEGAL NOTICE TO CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
THE ONE WHICH HAD BEEN SCHEDULED FOR THE NIGHT.
IT DIDN'T ADDRESS PUBLIC HEARING IN ANY RESPECT, NO POINT IN GOING INTO DETAIL, BUT IT WAS JUST NOT ADDED.
I IMMEDIATELY CALLED, UH, MIKE AVERY PLANNING AND ZONING AND SUGGESTED TO HIM.
HE CALLED ME BACK LATER AND INDICATED THAT IT HAD BEEN DECIDED TO POSTPONE THE HEARING TONIGHT, WHICH HAD BEEN MY RECORD.
IN OTHER WORDS, THE NOTICE THAT WAS RUNNING THE PAPER WAS NOT LEGALLY ADEQUATE TO CALL FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
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SO PROBABLY HEARING AND THAT MAY I TALKED TO THE CITY MANAGER, UH, WHEN WAS IT LAST NIGHT? I THINK IT WAS HE'S HE'S THE CITY MANAGER, SO WE CAN GET THE B PLAYER STRIKE.AND I JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENCE IN BEING A MAYOR, I GUESS, AND RUNNING YOUR OWN BUSINESS AND VARIOUS OTHER FUN THINGS IN LIFE.
UM, I'M NOT PARTICULARLY HAPPY WITH THE WAY THE BUSINESS HAS BEEN GOING ABOUT THE EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION AND I'M AS AN INDIVIDUAL, I'M NOT SPEAKING AS THE BOARD AND I'LL JUST TELL YOU WHAT MY FEELINGS ARE.
AND MY FEELINGS ARE THAT IF I HAD MY DRUTHERS, UH, THE WAY THINGS WOULD BE DONE.
AND AGAIN, I'M GOING TO SAY THIS SAYING THAT WHO KNOWS, MAYBE THEY CAN BE DONE THIS WAY, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT SOME DISCUSSION SHOULD BE MADE WITH THE BOARD BEFORE ANY LINES ARE DRAWN.
MAPS ARE MADE DISCUSSIONS OR HAIL OR ANYTHING ELSE BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF TIME MAN, HOURS EFFORT, UH, STIRRING UP OR THE POPULACE AND ALL KINDS OF OTHER THINGS THAT HAPPENED THAT MAY OR MAY NOT RESULT IN ANYTHING AT ALL.
I MEAN, TO ME, AND AGAIN, I'M SPEAKING AS AN INDIVIDUAL AND, UH, IT'S JUST BACKWARDS FROM THE WAY THAT I'M USED TO DOING THINGS.
MAYBE THAT'S THE WAY THINGS ARE DONE IN GOVERNMENT OR WHATEVER.
AND THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WE SHOULD NOT HAVE A PLANNING BOARD THAT HANDLES ALL THE DETAILS OF IT AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
UH, I UNDERSTAND THERE HAVE BEEN SOME HEARINGS OUT IN YOU FOLKS AREA THAT THE STATE LEGISLATORS WERE THERE, THE PLANNING BOARD PEOPLE WERE THERE.
I WASN'T THERE NEITHER WERE ANY AT ALL.
AND, UH, THAT IS NOT TO SAVE IT.
UH, WE COULDN'T HAVE BEEN THERE.
I DON'T THINK THAT I EVEN KNEW ABOUT IT UNTIL IT WAS OVER.
BUT THE POINT IS, IT'S AN AWFUL, STRANGE KETTLE OF FISH.
WHEN YOU HAVE SOME PEOPLE WHO BEGGED TO COME INTO THE CITY, LIKE SO MANY SUBDIVISIONS AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
AND THEN WE HAVE OTHER PEOPLE WHO FIGHT TO THE LAST BREATH.
IT SEEMS LIKE TO KEEP FROM COMING IN THE CITY.
I CONTEND THAT THE CITY IS NOT FOR EVERYBODY, BUT THE CITY IS FOR MORE PEOPLE THAN YOU WOULD REALIZE IF IT'S ALL EXPLAINED PROPERLY AND YOU UNDERSTAND IT AND YOU SEE WHAT WHAT'S IN IT.
AND, UH, AGAIN, BY THE SAME TOKEN, THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT JUST DON'T BELONG IN A CITY.
SO WHAT I WANTED TO DO TONIGHT, WE'VE GOT A FELLOW THAT IS FLYING ALONG WAY TO COME HERE, TO SPEAK, THINKING THAT THE HEARING WAS TONIGHT.
AND WE SURELY HATE TO TELL HIM THAT IT'S NOT TONIGHT.
I HAVE A FEAR OF FLYING, SO I KNOW I'D HATE TO PUT HIM THROUGH IT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AND I TO PUT MYSELF THROUGH IT AGAIN.
SO WE WON'T LET, LET THIS GENTLEMEN SPEAK.
BUT ONE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO, UH, I GUESS I'LL LET HIM SPEAK FIRST.
AND THEN I'M GOING TO MAKE UP A MOTION OF MY OWN.
BUT, UH, MR. RON PRINCIPAL, I THINK IT IS OKAY.
YOU COME FORTH AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.
AND THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK.
SEE, UH, I DID COME A THOUSAND MILES.
I'M A DIRECTOR OF REAL ESTATE FOR MACK TRUCK AND TWO YEARS AGO, BECAUSE OF ECONOMIC REASONS, WE HAD TO SHUT OUR OPERATION DOWN CRAVEN COUNTY, INDUSTRIAL PARK, BUT WITH THE HELP OF THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA, WHEN THE COMMITTEE OF 100 MR. THOMPSON AND MACK TRUCK OFFERING A VERY LOW RENTAL RATE, WE WERE ABLE TO PLACE OUR OPERATION, THAT, THAT CHAD, WITH THE PRODUCTS IN TURN HAVE NOW EMPLOYED OVER 50, MORE 50 PEOPLE TAKING UP THE PEOPLE THAT WE HAD TO LET GO.
AND ALL I'M HERE TO SAY IS THAT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR YOU WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR DECISIONS ON WHAT TO DO TO REALIZE THAT YOU ARE IN COMPETITION WITH EVERY OTHER CITY IN NORTH CAROLINA AND PRAVEN COUNTIES AND COMPETITION WITH EVERY OTHER COUNTY IN NORTH CAROLINA IS IN COMPETITION WITH ALABAMA AND GEORGIA AND SOUTH CAROLINA.
AND IF YOU TAKE ACTION, WHICH WILL CAUSE YOUR ECONOMIC COSTS TO GO UP, PEOPLE LIKE CHATSWORTH CAN JUST AS WELL LEAVE.
AND I THINK YOU'LL FIND THAT YOUR ECONOMIC BASE WILL GO DOWN RATHER THAN GO UP BY TAXING BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY.
I JUST HAD A QUESTION TO THE GENTLEMAN THAT DOES HE KNOW WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU THINK THE BOARD IS CONSIDERING DOING? I MEAN, IT IS NOT CONSIDERED WORTH CONSIDERING
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WHICH IN MY OPINION, BE THE FIRST STEP.JUST ONE SECOND IS LOOKING AT THE, I HAVE HEARD OF IT.
I HAVE HEARD, I WANT TO TELL EVERYBODY HERE.
SO I WANT YOU, WHEN YOU GO BACK ON YOUR TRIP, I WANT YOU TO GO BACK AND BE COMFORTABLE THAT FOR, FROM THIS POINT UP, DO THIS, I WILL NOT, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FOUR STACKS UP.
NONE OF THE MAP, NOTHING, NOT SIX MONTHS THAT HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH FOUR TANKS, BUT IT HAS ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE TWO, BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE READY TO GET HILLSIDE.
IN 1989, THIS BOARD FORCED BANKS, THE MAYORS, THERE WERE A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE AROUND HERE.
WE DID ONE REASON BECAUSE IT WAS HEAVILY POPULATED OUT THERE.
AND IT HAD GROWN TO THE POINT THAT THEY WERE SIPHONING SERVICES OFF OF THE CITY, TO THE EXTENT THAT THE ONES WHO WERE STILL IN THE CITY COULDN'T AFFORD TO KEEP PAYING.
AND THAT'S WHY WE, AND I WAS DEAD SET AGAINST HIM.
I DIDN'T GET, I SEE THE CITY, YOU'LL NEVER FIND A RECORD ANYWHERE WE'RE GONE SAID, I DIDN'T WANT TO COME THE LAST 1979.
WHAT HAPPENED? IT WAS AN OLD TAX.
I HAD TO PAY OUR ROMANIAN BACK THEN.
THAT'S NOT WHAT GOT ME INTO POLITICS.
NOW IN 1989, I LOWERED TO FORCE ANNEX A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE, FOLKS TO MY ENEMIES, NOBODY PARA YOU KNOW ME WELL ENOUGH TO KNOW ALL I GET BOUGHT AN ITEM THERE.
AND YOU KNOW,
SO WE WOULD NEVER HAVE TO FORCE AN ASK AGAIN.
NO ONE, ONE WE WERE VIEWED TO EXTEND SU OUTSIDE OF THE CORPORATE LIMITS OF THE CITY.
THAT WAS THE FIRST THING WE DID.
AND HARRIS STUDENTS MAY BE OFF HERE CRYING AND BAWLING TWO, THREE MONTHS AGO.
AND I FELT REALLY SORRY FOR HIM BECAUSE HE HAD SOMEONE THAT WANTED THAT SAME TRAINING THAT HE WANTED TO BILL.
AND HE COULD HAVE, WELL, FRANK, THEY WOULDN'T LET HIM GO AND WE WOULDN'T GET SO THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET TO THAT.
WE ABSOLUTELY REFUSE TO DO IT.
WHY? BECAUSE THAT WILL STOP DEVELOPERS FROM OUTSIDE THE CITY, BUILDING HOUSES, CREATING NEW DEVELOPMENTS.
DIDN'T SUE GETTING TO GETTING THERE, THERE, AND THEN STICKING US WITH HALF PAYMENTS.
NOW, IF THEY GO OUT THERE AND THEY BUILD A DEVELOP, THEY PUT THE WATER SEWER IN TO GET THE SEWER.
THEY HAVE REQUEST, THEY REQUEST AMBULATION.
THE PEOPLE GO BY THE HOUSE AND THE CITY.
THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE BUYING AND THERE'S NOT A PROBLEM.
OKAY? THE SECOND THING WE DID WAS SET UP THE EXTENDED ZONE JURISDICTION.
NOW OUR BELT, AND I WANTED TO GO OUT AND MAKE THE BELT.
AND I WAS GOING TO SINK MY MONEY INTO THEM AS A STRUCTURE, SOME ROADS, WATER, AND SEWER, AND EXIT INTO THE CITY.
I'M GOING TO MAKE SOME PROTECT.
IF YOU, IF WE CHANGE THIS OFTEN, IF WE ADOPTED THE OLDEST, WE'RE NOT COMMITTED, BUT IF YOU DON'T WANT LAND TONIGHT, YOU GO ON FARMLAND IN THE MALL.
THE TWO OF YOU DECIDE TO JAMIE
COME ON AND WORK WITH YOU ON GETTING YOUR PROPERTIES ON.
NOW YOU SELL THAT PROPERTY AND YOU MOVE TO SOMEONE ELSE.
THEN THE ONES THE ZONING DOES IS IT PROTECTS THE PEOPLE THAT THEY WERE STILL AWARE.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING WOULDN'T COME OUT HERE TO DO.
IF, AND I KNOW NOT IF YOU'RE OUT THERE AND DEVELOPMENT DOES HAPPEN, ANY GUM, YOU CAN BANG.
THERE'S NOT AN AREA OUT THERE THAT HADN'T GROWN IN THE LAST 16 YEARS.
SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, NOT SAYING
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THE SOLITARY CHANGE IS COMING.AND WHEN THEY PUT THAT CHANGED, THAT DON'T COME.
IT'S ALL A LOT FASTER AND A LOT QUICKER.
AND IF WE DON'T PLAN FOR IT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PLAN FOR THAT MEANS THE PLAN HAS GOT TO COME FROM Y'ALL.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE
THE NEWBURN BOARD CALLED HIM AND TOLD HIM TO DO IT.
ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, THE LAND USE PLAN TELLS HIM HE MUST DO BECAUSE GOD DON'T WANT THE FULL SANITATION.
AND THIS IS ONE METHOD THAT WE HAVE DONE TO TRY AND ENSURE THAT WE NEVER HAD TO DO THAT.
OKAY? IF YOU COME ON AND THIS PIECE IS REQUESTS IN THIS CASE DOES MANDATE AND IT'S JUST A LOOP LEVEL.
HOW ABOUT WE GIVE YOU, YOU DON'T THERE'S ONLY 50, 50 LEFT OUT THERE.
JUST NOT IN THE CITY, THOSE WORK, WE DON'T GET YOU IN THE CITY.
NOW I'VE HEARD A WELL, YOU KNOW, WE ALL CAN BE IN BOTH BREATH, BUT FOLK, THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY CAN'T VOTE.
THEY CAN'T VOTE TO TAKE THEM IN AND OUT.
THEY CAN'T VOTE AND SAY, OKAY, WE DON'T OWN CARS, SO THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH.
HOW'D YOU GET HERE TONIGHT? YOU AIN'T
WE WILL DISCUSS IT UNDER THE PROPER FORM, BUT ROBBIE YOU'RE ON THE THING, BUT THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS I THINK, NEED TO BE SAID, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THESE FOLKS TO THINK THAT THERE'S NOT TWO SIDES TO EVERY STORE, BUT THAT'S MY PEOPLE THAT I REPRESENT THAT HAVE A VOICE THAT NEEDS TO BE HEARD ALSO.
AND I AM THEIR SMOKES AND I WILL SAY MY FACE AND HAIR.
I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THE SECOND CASE.
YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR ME, BUT I'M NOT IN A PERIOD.
I'M TELLING ME I'M THERE TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE OTHER GENTLEMAN CAME UP TO SPEAK, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT WE NEEDED TO OFTEN THEM PROBABLY TO LOSE PEOPLE WITH PAD THEMSELVES, TO COME HERE FOR PUBLIC HERE IN D.
AND THEN WE FOUND THAT WE'VE MADE A MISTAKE AND UH, CAN'T ALLOW THEM TO INCONVENIENCE THEMSELVES, TO COME HERE, TO SPEAK TO US AND HOW THEY'LL DO THE SUGGEST.
JUST THAT WE APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
BUT ISN'T, HE, I'M JUST GOING TO SUGGEST AT FIRST, BEFORE I GET OFF THAT
ACTUALLY, WE'LL MOVE ON TO NUMBER SIX.
IT WASN'T ON PUBLIC HEARING AND THE GENTLEMAN SPOKE.
NOW, LET ME JUST MAKE A MOTION.
THE QUESTION ABOUT, DID I NOT READ SOMEWHERE THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS SET FOR SOME GIVEN DATE? YEAH, IT SEEMS LIKE TO ME, IT WAS APRIL 25TH.
WHERE DID I SAY MIKE? WHAT WAS THAT?
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WHERE DID APRIL THE 25TH? I GAVE HER HIS MAN.A LOT OF THINGS TONIGHT AND ADD-ON IS, IS TAUGHT ME THAT MIKE WAS CARRYING OUT THE WISHES OF A BOARD THREE YEARS AGO.
IS THAT RIGHT, MIKE? WELL, DON'T YOU THINK THAT THE PRESENT BOARD, SOMEBODY, PLEASE LET US KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON ABOUT THE PREDECESSORS, WHICH WAS I'M FLOATING ALONG HERE.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHY THE GUY'S DOING THIS.
AND I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ON MY OWN.
AND THAT MOTION IS, AND, UH, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF HOT FEELINGS ABOUT THIS THING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER I CONTEND.
AND I PROMISE YOU THAT A LOT OF THE FEELINGS ARE BECAUSE OF ABSOLUTE AND TOTAL MISUNDERSTANDINGS, ABSOLUTELY GUARANTEED.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO GO DOWN IN YOUR TERRITORY AND SPEAK TO YOUR PEOPLE.
IF IT'S ME BY MYSELF, UNTIL WE LOOK AT A MAP AND WE TALK ABOUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND WHAT THE CITY NEEDS TO DO AND WHY IT NEEDS TO DO THERE.
SO MAYBE IT DOESN'T NEED TO DO THAT.
AND AGAIN, THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT IN MY ESTIMATION DO NOT BELONG IN THE CITY, BUT AGAIN, THE CITY DOES NEED A BUFFER OR A BORDER.
AND EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT.
I THINK THEY DO, IF THEY DON'T, WE CAN EXPLAIN THAT AT THAT PROPER TIME.
I JUST THINK, AND FRANKLY, I'M A LITTLE BIT TIRED OF, OF GETTING SURPRISES AND THE SURPRISE IS BEING, UH, WELL-MEANING.
I REMEMBER SOME THINGS THAT I HEARD WHEN I WAS GROWING UP THE ROAD TO HELL IS PAVED WITH GOOD INTENTIONS, UH, SUPREME COURT JUSTICE.
LOUIS, BRANDEIS SAID THAT THE WAY THAT WE WOULD LOSE OUR FREEDOM IN THIS COUNTRY IS NOT BY SOME DESPERATE OR SOMEBODY FROM OUTSIDE.
HE SAID IT WOULD BE FROM INSIDE.
AND HE SAID, YES, WHY THERE'LL BE PEOPLE TRYING TO DO GOOD.
SO WITH THE ROAD TO HELL BEING PAID BY GOOD INTENTIONS, AND THE MAN WANTED ME TO LOOK OUT FOR PEOPLE TRYING TO DO GOOD.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT I'M GOING TO BE VERY VIGILANT.
AND SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE PUT IN THIS WHOLE THING ON, UH, ICE CUBES FOR ABOUT SIX MONTHS, UNLESS I HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO AT LEAST DO A RAN DEMOCRATIC EXPERIMENT AND SIT DOWN WITH THESE PEOPLE AND TALK TO THEM AND SEE WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE, SHOW THEM WHAT OUR CONCERNS ARE AND SEE IF WE CAN'T DO A LITTLE BIT OF IRONY NOW, INSTEAD OF BULLDOZING, BECAUSE THE LAST THING THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS SUPPOSED TO DO, JUST LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TONIGHT IS DRAWING LINES BETWEEN US AND THEM.
AND THERE'S ENOUGH OF THAT AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
YEAH, I'VE GOT SOME ALREADY THAT'S ABOUT THAT.
MY ONLY QUESTION IS, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE STAFF AS TO THE URGENCY OF THEIR NEED TO HAVE THIS DONE.
AND I DON'T KNOW, AND I JUST NEED TO KNOW THAT BEFORE WE GO, WELL, THEY CAN MEASURE THEIR URGENCY BY MINE, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
I THINK IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEETING, DID THEY SUGGEST THAT WE WAIT TO DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE? AFTER THERE HAD BEEN SOME DECISIONS ABOUT THE BYPASS WAS OR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WASN'T LISTENING TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT THEY, THAT WAS SUGGESTED BY THE PLANNING BOARD.
WHAT WAS YOUR SENSE? WHAT EXACTLY WAS THE STATUS? I RECALL YOU HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING PROCEEDING MADE HIM AWARE OF THIS DECISION.
THERE WAS A SERIES OF
AND THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION.
UH, NO, IT IS NOT WHY IN THE INFORMATION TO YOU, THE STAMP AND RECOMMENDATION WAS DIFFERENT FROM THAT IS THAT THE BYPASS IS ONLY ONE FACTOR AND OUR, UH, UH, STUDY SHOULD NOT BE THE ONLY FACTOR IN DETERMINING WHY IS DONE WITH THE EXTRA TERRITORIAL PLANNING JURISDICTION.
YOU HAVE BOSCH BOULEVARD THAT WE HAVE REQUESTED THE STATE TO BEGIN THE PLANNING, OH, FOR THIS COMING YEAR, WE HAVE OTHER ISSUES
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THAT ARE AFFECTED AS, UH, THE DEVELOPMENTS TAKING PLACE ALONG THE 1743.THAT IS THE CRITICAL CONCERN, THE CITY, THE IMPACTS OF MINE, OTHER ISSUES.
WELL, LET ME JUST ASK THE IMPACT.
UH, I, Y WE'LL DO, UH, THERE ARE SOME USES THAT ARE COMING INTO THE AREA THAT WE KNOW ABOUT.
UM, HOWEVER, THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO WAIT SIX MONTHS AND HAVE SOME TIME TO MEET WITH THE FOLKS AND DISCUSS IT FURTHER.
UH, WE WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I THINK YOU WILL SEE SOME LAND USE IS GOING IN PLACE THAT WILL BE, UH, POSSIBLY, UH, INCOMPATIBLE, BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING PEOPLE CAN TALK ABOUT IN MAKING THEIR DECISIONS.
WELL, MY POINT IN MY MAJOR AND THE MAIN POINT IS THAT THERE IS NO, IT WOULD BE AN ABSOLUTE MIRROR.
IF, IF ALL SIDES REACHED A CONSENSUS, WHEN THERE IS ABSOLUTELY OBVIOUS MISUNDERSTANDING AND EVERYTHING ELSE ON BOTH SIDES, I MEAN, THERE'S JUST NO WAY IT'S EVER GOING TO WORK IN A SMOOTH FASHION.
AND I DON'T THINK JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE THE POWER TO DO THINGS THAT WE ALL TO EXERCISE THE POWER
DO YOU DO AGREE THEN THAT WE NEED TO BACK UP AND TALK TO THEM AND, AND, UH, LET'S ALL KIND OF GET ON THE SAME PAGE.
IN OTHER WORDS, LET ME THROW OUT A FEW GOODIES HERE BEFORE WE SAY ANYTHING ELSE.
NUMBER ONE, AND EVEN SOME OF THE FOLKS IN THE COUNTY DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS, BUT I'VE BECOME CONVINCED OF IT.
YOU CAN GO AND LETTING ME NESSA POLL EXPERTS, EXPLAIN IT THAT IF A CITY IS NOT ALLOWED TO GROW, THAT IT WILL DIE.
AND SOME PEOPLE WOULD SAY, SO WHAT I'M GOING TO TELL YOU, THEN YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE IMPACT OF THE CITY OF NEWBURN IS ON THIS COUNTY, WHERE WE LIVE.
SO THEREFORE, WHERE THE GIVEN THAT THE CITY MUST GROW, YOU CAN'T GROW UP VERY WELL.
IT ISN'T BAD THAT IT GROWS OUT.
IF IT GROWS OUT IN AN ORDERLY FASHION AND THE BENEFIT IS TO YOUR BENEFIT.
AND THAT WOULD BE, WHEN DOES IT GROW OUT? WELL, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IT'S A LITTLE EARLY.
IT MIGHT BARELY BY FIVE OR 10 YEARS, BUT SOONER OR LATER, YES, IT WILL GROW.
YOU KNOW, IT MAY NOT BE A GOOD TIME TO TAKE IN A BUNCH OF WETLANDS OR AN INDUSTRIAL PARK FOR THE VERY REASONS THAT DEMAND SIDE, IT MAY BE SOMEDAY THAT IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA FOR EVERYBODY TO DO IT, BUT THE CITY MUST GROW.
AND EVERYBODY HAS TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY MUST HAVE A BUFFER, JUST LIKE YOU MAY DESIRE TO HAVE A BUFFER YOURSELF.
WHEN IN FACT YOU DO HAVE A BUFFER, IT'S CALLED YOUR YARD.
THAT'S WHY YOUR HOUSE SITTING BUDDY RIGHT NEXT TO THE OTHER FELLOW.
NOBODY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT TO IN THEIR OWN YARD.
WELL, YOU COULD, I COULD GO HOME AT NIGHT AND WALK AROUND MY HOUSE WITH NO CLOTHES ON, OUT IN THE YARD, BUT I WOULDN'T LAST LONG, EVEN THOUGH I'M THE MAYOR SLAMMER.
SO YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING YOU WANT, YOU KNOW, BUT ANYWAY, MY POINT IS, I'D LIKE TO TAKE SOME TIME AND WE'LL LET PUT IT TO A VOTE AND SEE WHAT THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS THINK FOR ALL OF US TO SIT DOWN AND SEE IF WE CAN MAKE SOME SENSE, USE SOME COMMON SENSE AND SEE IF WE CAN COME WITH SOME KIND OF AN UNDERSTANDING.
THAT'S THE WAY I LIKE TO RUN MY LIFE.
IF I'M, I LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE DEFINITIVE PLAN, BECAUSE WE JUST SAY, WE'LL WAIT, SIX MONTHS, SIX MONTHS.
WELL, WE'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
WE'RE NOT JUST GOING TO SIT FOR SIX MONTHS AND START OVER AGAIN.
WE DON'T TAKE THE MAXIMUM A MONTHS AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK TO THESE PEOPLE AND WE'RE GOING TO EXPLAIN TO THEM SOME THINGS LIKE I WAS TALKING ABOUT, WHAT DOES HE, THE BODY GOING TO LISTEN? I CAN'T GUARANTEE YOU THAT WE, UNTIL I LAY IT OUT NOW FOR THE, UH, YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR UP.
YOU WANT TO HEAR WHAT YOU GOT.
I MEAN, I WILL BE THERE TO TALK TO YOU WHEN YOU LISTEN.
REQUESTING WHETHER WE GOING TO WAIT FOR SIX MONTHS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO POLL THE BOARD VOTE? YES.
THEN WE SAY ALL IN FAVOR POLO.
I WILL TELL YOU THESE FOLKS AT TIMES WHEN IT SAYS WHEEL, BUT YOU DON'T JUST DO SOMETHING BECAUSE YOU'RE TIRED.
BUT IF YOU WANT TO PUT IT OFF SECTION, WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO GO OUT THERE UNTIL, YEAH, I'LL GO TO NIGHT.
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MONTHS, THEN IT'S UP TO THE STAFF TO GET WITH THE MAN, THE BOARD MEMBERS TO MAKE A DECISION THE SIX MONTHS.AND AGAIN, SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, IT'S COMING UP FOR HEARING SIX MONTHS FROM NOW AND HAVE TO PUT IT OFF SIX MONTHS GONE.
ONE OF US HAD HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARS AND HAVING ANY OLD WHITE THREE OF THEM.
UH, WE STARTED MAYBE AROUND AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER.
WE HAD ABOUT NINE MEETINGS, UH, PUBLIC MEETINGS AND MEETINGS OUT IN THE AREA, YOU KNOW? AND UH, UH, THE MAYOR'S WILLINGNESS IF I MAY IS A, YOU KNOW, A REAL PLUS AND WE'RE WILLING TO WORK AND EVERYTHING.
WE DID HAVE A SITUATION EARLIER ON WHERE A GROUP WAS APPOINTED TO MEET WITH STAFF, TO REVIEW THINGS FOR THE COMMUNITY.
BUT YOU SAY, YOU LET, LET, LET ME SAY SOMETHING FOR YOU GOING FURTHER.
WHAT GOOD IS IT FOR YOU TO MAKE PROMISES OR YOU DON'T MAKE AGREEMENTS? SO YOU JUST SAY ANYTHING AND I'M NOT TRYING TO TAKE YOUR AUTHORITY AWAY FROM ME BECAUSE YOU SURELY HAVE A, UM, A JOB AND A GOOD FUNCTION THAT YOU PROVIDE.
WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS, SINCE THE ULTIMATE VOTE BELONGS TO US, WE DID NOT MAKE SENSE.
AND WE SIT DOWN, AS DON SAYS, WE'VE GOT TO FACE THESE PEOPLE.
I MEAN, IT'S REAL EASY FOR ME TO PUT IT ON AND GIVE TO YOU AND SAY HERE, GO FIX IT.
I'M STICKING MY NECK IN THE LINES.
WELL, I'VE CALLED FOR THE QUESTION THAT I WANT TO VOTE.
AND CAN YOU CALL THE NAMES AND LET'S MOVE.
YES, BUT I'M FOR THE ETJ, BUT YES.
NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT STEP.
NUMBER SIX IS TO CONSIDER A PETITION FOR ANNEXATION OF 1.704 ACRES AT 3,405 PRINT ROAD AND CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING TO SET THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ADOPT THE RESOLUTION.
NOW WE'RE SAYING WE HAD THE, WE HAD THE PUBLIC ROOMS. NO, WE GOT SET UP SHIT.
I WANT TO FIND OUT WHAT ITS PROPERTY IS DRAWING THE NUMBER SIX LAST ISSUE.
I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT ME, A NECK, ANYTHING WHATSOEVER, BUT WE'RE ON RECEIVING AND DAILY NEWS.
DAILY FLOW WAS 2.9 MILLION GALLONS IN 1995 YEARS AGO, IT WAS STILL 2.9, BUT YOU'RE GONE.
IT HASN'T CHANGED ONE THING THAT STOPPED ALL THIS STUFF.
AND HE'S SAYING, THAT'S NOT CORRECT.
IT WAS AROUND 2.3 MILLION GALLONS.
WELL, I'VE GOT SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN REMAINING RIGHT AT THE SAME, OR IT WAS IN 99 OR SOMEWHERE IN ALL THESE YEARS, THE ANNEXATION CAN YOU JUST GIVE HOTELS AND ALL THAT? AND THERE'S NOT HARDLY ONE OUT.
I'M GOING TO BRING THIS QUESTION UP SO I WON'T HAVE TO COME BACK ANYMORE.
SO THIS IS WHY WE'RE CONCERNED.
IF ALL THIS ANNEXATION IS NOT INCREASING THE FLOW TO WHAT IS WRONG OUT THERE, THAT IT'S NOT BEING REGISTERED, PITCH SOMETHING GOING SOMEWHERE.
AND WHEN ALL THIS STUFF GOING IN AND NOBODY'S TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE UPGRADE I PLAN TO TAKE UP, I MEAN, HOW IN THE WORLD CANNOT TAKE CARE OF THE STUFF WE SAW? WHAT HAPPENED? YOU KNOW, LAKELAND.
AND NOBODY HAS A SAY IN WHO IS GOING TO GO BEFORE MEETING THE GALLONS OR WHATEVER.
AND WHEN IT RAINS, IT GOES, WELL, WHERE ARE WE GOING TO BE ON THE RECEIVING END? AND IF IT DON'T GET OVER 2.9 MILLION
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GALLONS, WHAT'S IT GOING TO TAKE TO GET TO 3 MILLION GALLONS LEVERAGE MR. MCDOWELL? I MEAN, THIS WAS THE STATE.IMAGINE THIS, THIS IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT TO SOMETHING THAT IS VERY STRANGE TO MANY THAT ALL OF THIS FEAR IS NOT INCREASED, BUT JUST MR.
THAT WAS THE RATED FLOW THAT THEY HAD COMING IN THERE BY THE ENGINEERS WHO DID THE DESIGN ON THE EXPANSION.
THE EXPANSION DOUBLED THAT CAPACITY TO 4.7.
THAT'S WHERE THAT 4.7 CAME FROM.
SO TWO, IT WENT FROM 2.3, 5 MILLION IN 1988 TO 2.9 SOMETHING MILLION.
THIS MONTH, PAUL IS NOT TALKING ABOUT THE CAPACITY OF THE PLANT.
I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE MOMENT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
THE FLOW OF THE PLANT THAT GOES ONTO THE ROAD THAT WAS ON YOUR MONTHLY REPORT.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT REPORTS THAT YOU'VE GOT, BUT I CAN TELL YOU, I CAN TELL YOU THAT IN 1988, THERE WAS 2.3, 5 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.
BEING DISCHARGED IN THE RIVER TODAY, THERE IS 2.9 BILLION.
NOW THAT FLOW VARIES FROM MONTH TO MONTH AND FROM DAY TO DAY, BECAUSE YOU MAY, LIKE YOU SAID, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE RAIN.
SOMETIMES YOU HAVE DRY SEASONS, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE OVERALL AVERAGES OF THAT PLANT, YOU WILL SEE A STEADY INCREASE FROM 1988 UNTIL TODAY.
WELL, YOU DIDN'T LEAVE IN JULY IN 1990 TO 2.9 MILLION.
I WOULD SUGGEST YOU GET SOME OTHER RECORDS BECAUSE I THINK THAT'LL SHOW UP.
I'LL GET THOSE RECORDS AND PROVIDE THEM TO YOU.
GIORDANO IN FEBRUARY OF 95 AND FEBRUARY NINE TO FIVE, I PRESUME THEY 18.
THE FLOW MTV I PRESUME WAS ME GALLONS PER DAY, 4.3.
RIGHT NOW THE MONTHLY AVERAGE WAS 3.1.
YOU MAY FIND A REPORT SOMEWHERE.
I WENT TO THE WALL, UH, FLOW AVERAGE.
WHAT ARE YOU, WHAT ARE YOU ASKING THAT WE PAY ATTENTION TO FLOWING UP THE SEWER PLANT WHEN WE ANNEX AREAS OR WELL, IF THE THING DOESN'T, THAT WILL SAVE YOU AN ACCIDENT, YOU GET MORE FLOW, BUT IT'S NOT BEING A REGISTRAR.
WHAT IS GOING ON WITH? WELL, I MEAN, THE PEOPLE THAT, AND THEY EXTEND OUT IN MY AREA, THEY'RE TIED ON NOT MANY AVENUE, ABOUT 300 USERS, 300 USERS OUT OF HOW MANY HOUSES, ROUGHLY ABOUT 1200 HOUSE.
I DON'T WANT IT TO HAPPEN AGAIN.
WE DON'T WANT HIM TO HAVE MAILER.
I FEEL LIKE, HANG ON, PULL IT.
THEY, THEY SWORE THEY HAD TREATED IT.
I GOT REPORT 142,300 THAT DAY IN THE NEXT TWO DAYS, THEY DIDN'T TRACK IT.
JOEL, LET ME, LET ME ASSURE YOU YOURSELF.
IF SOMEBODY IS LYING ABOUT THE SEWER OR ANY OF THAT TYPE OF THING, THEY WILL BE DEALT WITH LEGALLY FIRST MAYOR.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
EVEN TAKING CARE OF THE RESOLUTION, READ THE LOTION.
WE'LL HAVE TO CALL FOR PUBLIC HEARING EMOTIONALLY ABOUT THE RECIPE EMOTION, WHENEVER IT IS, WHO MADE THEM, WHO MADE THE MOTION? WHO SECONDED ANY DISCUSSION OF THAT ANNEXATION.
WE'VE GOT A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? NO DISCUSSION.
I WANT TO SEE THE PLAN DEPARTMENT WE GET OUT OF HERE.
I WANT TO FIND OUT WHAT IS TARGET STORE COME FROM? THEY TOLD ME THERE WAS NOTHING BEING DONE WHEN I ASKED ABOUT IT A MONTH AGO AND I SENT THE WORD
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OUT, OH, WE'RE NOT BUILDING THE TARGETS.I WANT TO KNOW THE CONSENT AGENDA.
I HAVE ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION TO GEORGE WILEY'S HERE.
IF HE WANTS TO EXAMINE QUESTIONABLE ISSUES, YOU MIGHT WANT TO ASK WHY THE COUNTY DUMP FOR MID-CITY AND GALLONS OF RAW SEWAGE INTO THE RIVER AND HAS NOT BEEN CITED BY THE STATE.
THERE'S BEEN NO SIDE PATIENT ISSUES, NOTHING.
THE STATE HAD JUST LET IT SLIDE.
THAT WAS FOUR MEDIUM GALLONS OF RAW SEWAGE
I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT 1990, BUT I'LL DO EVERYTHING I CAN.
AM I TREATING YOU THAT WAY? I NEVER HAVE.
I'M TELLING YOU IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT OR SMELL RIGHT.
OR WHATEVER, CALL ME I'M IN THE PHONE BOOK.
THAT'S WHAT I'VE TOLD YOU BEFORE YOU.
AND I WILL GO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
WELL, I DIDN'T WANT IT TO LAST THIS LONG, BUT I'M VERY CONCERNED.
ALL THIS MESSED UP, COVERED UP AND ALL THIS STUFF.
I DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT WENT ON.
WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO MOVE ON WHEN IT'S OUT OF STATE.
YOU GOT ANY DOWN THERE WHERE THE PAPERWORK FAILED OUT.
I'LL SAY, LET ME EXPLAIN WHAT IT IS.
RENO BANGLE WILL BE REAPPOINTED TO THE CTDA ALL IN FAVOR.
I HAD THE PAPERWORK FILLED OUT AND WALKED OFF AND LEFT IT, BUT I WOULD LIKE HER TO NOMINATE FOR THE APPEARANCE COMMISSION.
MRS. JOANNE WILLIS AND 11 13, 11 KIMBERLY ROAD.
SHE IS AN AVID GARDENER AND IN RECENT MONTHS HAS BECOME INTERESTED IN THE WORKINGS OF GOVERNMENT AND WOULD LIKE TO BECOME PART OF THE PROCESS.
YOUR PHONE
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MAYOR? I GOT ONE.OH, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO APPROVE ANYMORE.
I WOULD RECOMMEND A PUBLIC STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE APPOINT.
MR. LEWIS, CORNING AS A REPRESENTATIVE TO THE, UH, ELECTRIC.
BAD EXAMPLE UNDER, UH, APPOINTMENTS.
I THINK I'M GOING TO GET ME AN APPOINTMENT, BUT IT'S NOT ONE OF THESE.
LASTLY, WHAT'S NEXT MISCELLANEOUS PANDORA'S BOX.
ANYWAY, WE'LL START DOWN ON THE END WITH DON.
NO MISCELLANEOUS FROM DON BARBARA.
I DON'T HAVE MISCELLANEOUS, BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION THAT IF YOU'D RATHER ASK THAT.
IT'S ABOUT TODAY AT THREE O'CLOCK.
I HAVEN'T HAD A REPORT FROM JOHNNY.
HOW DID THE INSPECTIONS GO HAVE A GREEN PARK TERRACE? UH, WELL, WE WERE ABLE TO, UH, UM, UH, TO, AND, OR UNDER CONTRACTS CONDITION IMMEDIATE.
YEAH, I'VE GOT TO HAVE HIS WORK, BUT I ONLY HAD ONE CALL.
SO I WAS SITTING ON PINS AND NEEDLES.
UM, BOBBY, UH, NO, THIS IS NOPE.
I GOT A RESOLUTION HERE AND IT'S SUPPORTING LEGAL LEGISLATION.
I WENT TO THE HOUSE IT'S BILL HOUSE, BILL 2 91 AND TITLED SMOKE DETECTORS FOR RENTAL PROPERTY.
I REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT THIS.
YEAH, UH, AND IT SAYS, WHEREAS THE UNITED STATES AND ONE OF THE HIGHEST DEATH RATES PER CAPITA IN THE INDUSTRIALIZED WORLD, WHEREAS 80% OF ALL FATALITIES OCCUR IN THE HOME OR THOSE APPROXIMATELY 67% OCCURRED, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND DUPLEXES.
AND WHEREAS AT LEAST 785 PEOPLE ARE DEATHS OCCUR IN FIVE DEATHS, OCCURRED IN APARTMENTS EACH YEAR.
AND WHEREAS WORKING SMOKE DETECTED DOUBLES A PERSON'S CHANCE OF SURVIVING A FLOWER AND THERE, AND THEREFORE BY, BY, BY BEV THAT WE, UH, HAD THE NUMERAL BOARD OF ALL OF THEM SUPPORT LEGISLATION FOR HOUSE BILL 2 91, ENTITLED SMOKE DETECTORS AND RENTAL PROPERTY.
IS THAT A COPY OF IT BEHIND IT? UH, LET ME MAKE A MOTION.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION, DO WE HAVE TO CALL ROLL ON THIS? YES, YES, YES, YES.
LAST THING WE GOT AS A JOURNEY.
ONE OF THEM IS A RESOLUTION THAT WOULD AUTHORIZE ME TO MAKE APPLICATION FOR A GRANT FROM THE GOVERNOR'S HIGHWAY SAFETY PROGRAM.
THIS IS THE GRANT THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IN THE PAST $443,000.
WE'LL BUY FIVE POLICE CARS, SOME ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, UH, WE NEED YOUR APPROVAL ON IT WITH MOON HAS BEEN SECONDED.
ANY DISCUSSION FANS ON WHERE THEY GO ON? WHAT'D YOU GOT
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YES, YES, YES.UH, ONE OTHER ITEM, UH, MAY ARE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UH, CIVIL SERVICE BOARD HAS MET AND THEY HAVE INTERVIEWED CANDIDATES.
THEY'VE ESTABLISHED A, UH, REGISTER, UH, DOUGLAS ALLEN EVANS, KENNETH FLEET HUNTER AND GREGORY BENJAMIN BRIG.
AND THEY HAVE RECOMMENDED THEM SUBJECT TO THEIR PSYCHOLOGICAL AND POLYGRAPH EXAMINATIONS AND THE OTHER THINGS FOR YOUR APPROVAL.
AND WE NEED THAT APPROVAL TONIGHT ALSO.
SO WE CAN PUT THESE PEOPLE ON PAYROLL.
WE NEED A ROLL CALL ON THAT ONE.
SO BE IT IS BURIED THAT ASS ABOUT THIS LADY.