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I'M MEETING THE OWNER AND, UH, ROBERT BROWN AND ROBERT JOHNSON PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH.
WE COME LORD THIS EVENING IN A BUSINESS MEETING THE LAST AND DEAR GOT WE.
WE CANNOT DO ANY THING, LORD, UNLESS YOU ARE IN A MISS, WE JUST THANK YOU, DEAR GOD FOR YOUR SPIRIT, THAT DWELLS IN THIS PLACE.
AND NOT ONLY IN THIS PLACE, BUT IN THE HEARTS OF YOUR PEOPLE, LORD HELP US TO HAVE A LISTEN HERE, GIVE US INSIGHT THE GOD THAT WE MAY HEAR THE CONCERNS AND THE NEEDS OF NEW PEOPLE AS THEY COME IN FOLD THIS BODY, OH, DEAD LORD, AND ALLOW YOUR LOVE, YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF GOD IN US THAT WE MIGHT COME OUT OF THIS MEETING WITH GOALS AND OBJECTIVES TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE.
WE ASK ALL OF THESE THINGS IN JESUS NAME.
THE FIRST THING ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
WE DON'T WANT TO PRESENT THIS PROCLAMATION TO THE TELECOMMUNICATORS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
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OKAY.THAT'S ONE THING THAT THESE POLICE TV SHOWS THEY BROUGHT TO EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION IS NOW WHAT KIND OF JOB THE POLICE HAVE, BUT ALSO THE TELECOMMUNICATORS, SOMETIMES THEIR JOB.
ALSO, NEXT THING WE HAVE IS A REQUEST AND PETITIONS OF CITIZENS, WHICH WE HAVE ONCE A MONTH AND, UH, HIS, IN OUR FIRST MEETING OF THE MONTH, SOMETIMES IT'S A PRETTY POPULAR THING.
AND THEN AGAIN, SOMETIMES IT'S, WELL, IT'S ALWAYS ENTERTAINING.
THE FIRST THING THAT WE HAVE TONIGHT, I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE MR. LIG FROM IT, A NEWSREEL OF A COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS.
I THINK HE'S HERE SOMEWHERE AND WANTED TO SPEAK A FEW WORDS AND THEN WE'LL GO TO WHOEVER ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK.
I, I HOPE I CAN KEEP IT DOWN TO A FEW WORDS.
I READ ABOUT MY JOB, PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT THAT'S WHY I HAVE THIS MAYOR BAYLESS AND MEMBERS OF THE NEW BERN PORT OF BALTIMORE.
IT'S MY PLEASURE TO BE HERE WITH YOU TO SEE ME AS THE NEWLY APPOINTED EXECUTIVE PRODUCER WITH THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS.
I DO WANT TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TONIGHT TO BRIEF YOU.
IF I MAY, UH, CONCERNING CURRENT STATUS OF YOUR COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS, UH, TO EXPLAIN WHERE ARE WE, WHERE ARE WE MAN, WHERE WE ARE AT THIS POINT IN TIME AND WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THE FUTURE, THAT WILL, THAT WILL CHANGE THE WAY THAT WE SERVE OUR MEMBER GOVERNMENTS.
UH, I HOPE THAT IN THE PROCESS OF SPEAKING WITH YOU THIS EVENING, THAT WE MIGHT ALSO THROW UP.
I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MISINFORMATION FLOATING AROUND THE REGION ABOUT WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING IN OUR ORGANIZATION AND YOU WANT TO PROVIDE A FACTUAL SO THAT YOU WILL CLEARLY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO.
UH, I BROUGHT WITH ME THIS EVENING, OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR HAD THE THOUGHT AND THE ASSUMPTION THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT ALL ABOUT OUR FINANCIAL POSTURE.
SHE WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
I MIGHT SAY BEFORE I, BEFORE I, UH, ON SOME REMARKS, I DO WANT TO RECORD RECOGNIZE BARBARA LEE AS A MEMBER OF YOUR BOARD, WHO SITS ON OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE HER IN.
SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE AWARE WE HAVE A FINANCE VISUAL WHO IS CONTRIBUTING ORGANIZATION IN THE LAST, I GUESS YOU MIGHT SAY I JUST ABOUT ENDING MY FIRST HUNDRED DAYS AS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF COD.
AND AS I LOOK BACK, UH, I'VE TRIED TO DO A THOROUGH ASSESSMENT SINCE I'VE COME ON BOARD PRIOR, IDENTIFY THE CAUSES FOR SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT OUR ORGANIZATIONS EXPERIENCED IN THE RECENT PAST.
UH, ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO DETERMINE AS THE NEW EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, IF WE LOOK AT IT, IF WE LOOK AT MOST OF THE PROBLEMS AND CHALLENGES, THE CHALLENGES FACING OUR ORGANIZATION, THESE CHALLENGES SEEM TO BE CENTERED IN OUR JOB TRAINING PARTNERSHIP PROGRAM.
AS I'VE LOOKED AT THE ORGANIZATION AND TRY TO IDENTIFY SOME OF THE CAUSES OF THESE PROBLEMS. I'VE, I'VE, I'VE COME TO UNDERSTAND SEVERAL THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN TAKING PLACE, PERHAPS OVER THE LAST TWO OR THREE YEARS.
UM, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WE HAD, WE HAD SOME MAJOR CHANGES IN THE FEDERAL REGULATIONS THAT, THAT, UH, AFFECT HOW WE ADMINISTER THOSE PROGRAMS. AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME, THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN OUR, IN OUR STAFF SIZE TO HANDLE J TPA PROGRAMS. THE FOUR HOURS THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE LAST COUPLE
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OF YEARS, ADDRESSING JANE TPA HAD IDENTIFIED A LARGE NUMBER OF PROGRAM PRO I GUESS WHAT YOU MIGHT CALL PROGRAMMATIC DEFICIENCIES, NOT HERE, NOT, UH, NOT EVIDENCE OF FINANCIAL MISMANAGEMENT.SO MUCH AS EVIDENCE OF CHAPS, LACK OF TRAINING, LACK OF SUFFICIENT TRAINING TO HANDLE THE CHANGES IN THE FEDERAL REGULATIONS, WHICH ARE IN AND OF THEMSELVES PRETTY COMPLEX.
SO WHAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO DETERMINE IS IF YOU GET PAST ALL OF THE TURMOIL THAT YOU SEE, WHAT I SEE IS A, IS A, A PROGRAM WITH FAIRLY LARGE STAFF DIFFICULTY IN PROVIDING EFFECTIVE TRAINING TO MAKE SURE OUR JTA STAFF IS ABLE TO HANDLE ALL THESE CHANGES IN FEDERAL REGULATIONS.
AND WHAT THIS HAS DONE IS IT'S CREATED, UH, AUDIT RESOLUTION PROBLEMS FOR US.
I THINK THE AUDITS THAT WE'VE HAD AT A REVEALED ROUGHLY 330, $8,000 IN QUESTION COSTS, MOST OF THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO RESOLVE BECAUSE THEY WERE PRIMARILY PROGRAM ERRORS, NOT FINANCIAL MISMANAGEMENT, THE ONLY SIGNIFICANT INSTANCE OF POSSIBLE FINANCIAL MISMANAGEMENT THAT WE ARE STILL THAT'S STILL BEING WORKED THROUGH IS AN ALLEGED BID RELEASE STEAM THAT SUPPOSEDLY TOOK PLACE OVER 10 YEARS AGO INVOLVING THE PURCHASE OF SOME SUMMER INSTRUCTIONAL MATERIALS AT PARTICULAR AT PARTICULAR INCIDENT, UH, EQUATES TO ROUGHLY $73,000.
AND IS THAT PARTICULAR SITUATION IS STILL UNDER INVESTIGATION.
WE'RE NOT SURE WHETHER ANY INDICTMENTS ARE GOING TO OCCUR AND WE'RE NOT SURE HOW FAST THAT SITUATION WILL BE RESOLVED.
THAT THAT IS THE BUSINESS SIGNIFICANT SITUATION THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DEALING WITH.
TRYING TO RESOLVE THAT BUYING HARD, ALL THE OTHER PROGRAMMATIC AREAS ARE, ARE BEING RESOLVED AND WHITTLED THE REST OF THAT DOWN.
UM, I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT SIMPLY BASED AND ESSENTIALLY FOLKS ARE IN CRAVEN COUNTY.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE PASSED OUT FOR YOU THIS EVENING IS THERE IS A SHEET THAT SIMPLY OUTLINES BASED ON THE DUES THAT RAVEN COUNTY HAS BEEN PAYING.
I WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE OF THE TIME OF RETURN.
THE SIMPLE RETURN YOU'RE GETTING THAT THE COUNTY IS GETTING ON, ON THE INVESTMENT.
WE TALKED ABOUT, WE TALKED ABOUT IN MOUNTAIN PAST $2 THAT COME IN TO CREATE AN ANIME.
OUR FIGURES SHOW THAT TODAY 243,579, GOLF'S COME INTO CREATING THE COUNTY THROUGH OUR J TPA PROGRAM, AN ADDITIONAL $158,607 THAT WOULD COME THROUGH INTO THE ACCOUNT TO OUR ASIAN PROGRAM.
THE, UH, THE COUNTY'S DUES ARE ROUGHLY $11,000.
WHAT THIS EQUATES TO IN THE SIMPLEST FORM IS A 39 FOLD RETURN ON INVESTMENT.
UM, IF WE LOOK AT THE NUBER, UH, OUR RECORDS CURRENTLY THAT ROUGHLY 396 PEOPLE ARE BEING SERVED TODAY FROM EIGHT TO OUR AGING PROGRAMS IN YOUR COMMUNITY.
ANOTHER 73 PEOPLE IN NEWBURN ARE BEING SERVED THROUGH OUR JASON VA PROGRAM.
I SIMPLY WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE OF THE FACT THAT DESPITE PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH WITH AN ORGANIZATION THAT THE SERVICES ARE BEING RENDERED, PEOPLE ARE IN FACT BEING HELPED.
AND I WANT YOU TO BE AWARE OF THAT.
UH, I WANT TO, I WANT TO TALK BRIEFLY THIS EVENING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT WE HAD BEEN REALLY DOING A LOT OF THAT MR. WARD COUNCIL GOVERNANCE.
AND IF I COULD STRESS ANYTHING AND SEE WHAT I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT RIGHT NOW, ALL OF MY MEETINGS AROUND THE REGION THUS FAR, UH, ALL OF THE, UH, FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE SOME OF YOU MIGHT'VE BEEN INTERVIEWED.
WE HAD A GROUP FROM THE SOUTHEAST REGIONAL DIRECTORS INSTITUTE, UNIVERSITY OF GEORGIA COME UP THIS PAST WEEK AND DO A THREE-DAY INTENSIVE ORGANIZATION ANALYSIS OF OUR ENTIRE THOUGHT.
THEY INTERVIEWED ELECTED AND ELECTED OFFICIALS FROM ALL OVER THE REASON FOR LEAVING THE INTERVIEW.
UH, SITTING COUNTY MANAGERS INTERVIEWED THE PRESIDENTS OF MANY OF THE CHAMBERS OF COMMERCE IN OUR REGION.
UH, AND THEN ALL OF THOSE INTERVIEWS AND ALL OF THE MEETINGS THAT I'VE HAD AROUND THE REGION.
THERE'S ONE THEME THAT REALLY STICKS OUT MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
AND THAT IS WHAT CAN, WHAT CAN MR. COUNCIL GOVERNMENTS DO FOR ITS MEMBER GOVERNMENTS IN THE FUTURE? WHAT CAN BE SURE TO COUNSEL AND WHAT GOVERNMENTS DO THAT CONSTITUTES
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A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE, UH, FROM TRADITIONAL SERVICES, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE, OBVIOUSLY CONTINUE TO PROVIDE AS AN ORGANIZATION, AGING, JDA AND EMS SERVICES.EMERGENCY NOTES, COMMENTS THAT I WAS SEEING FROM THE REGION IS THAT WE ARE NOT DOING ENOUGH WITH RESPECT TO LOCAL TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE, TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE THAT IS RELEVANT TO CHANGING LOCAL NEEDS.
AND SO IT'S THIS AREA THAT I WANT TO ADDRESS THE SCENE IN THIS AREA THAT I BELIEVE IS SO IMPORTANT TO THE FUTURE SURVIVAL ORGANIZATION AND TO OUR ABILITY TO MORE EFFECTIVELY SERVE YOU, I'VE PASSED OUT A SHEET FOR ALL IN THE SEASONING THAT BASICALLY CONSTITUTES AN INVENTORY OF THE TYPES OF SERVICES THAT OUR COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ON OUR STAFF IN THE PAST HAS EVER COME OUT TO YOU AND ADDRESSED THIS WITH YOU OR, OR, OR GIVEN YOU THIS KIND OF INFORMATION, BUT I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THIS EVENING, THAT NOW ON OUR ORGANIZATION IS GOING TO BE MUCH MORE HEAVILY INVOLVED IN SPRINKLING LOCAL RELATIONSHIPS THROUGH LOCAL TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE.
UH, THERE'S A LOT OF TALK AROUND THE REGION RIGHT NOW ABOUT WHAT COPS ARE AND WHAT THEY'RE NOT, UH, FOLKS.
THE ONE THING I WANT TO EMPHASIZE ABOUT COUNCILS AND GOVERNMENT COUNCILS WITH GOVERNMENT WE'RE DESIGNED HAVE ALWAYS BEEN DESIGNED, PROVIDE A COORDINATING MECHANISM FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, PROVIDE, UH, A WAY FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO TAP RESOURCES THAT PERHAPS THEY DO NOT HAVE DAILY ACCESS TO WITHIN THEIR OWN STAFFS.
UH, A COUNCIL OF GOVERNANCE IS IN EFFECT AN EXTENSION OF ITS LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.
IT'S A SOURCE TO PROVIDE A POOL OF RESOURCES THAT MAY NOT BE TYPICALLY AVAILABLE YOUR MEMBERSHIP DUES TO MAKE THAT POSSIBLE.
UH, AND OUR ORGANIZATION CANNOT FULFILL ITS PRIME DIRECTOR UNLESS IT'S REACHING OUT TO YOU UNLESS IT'S COMING OUT TO YOU, SERVE AND ASKING YOU WHAT CAN DO FOR YOU.
I BELIEVE THAT IN THE PAST, MR COUNCIL OF GOVERNANCE HAS NOT TAKEN ENOUGH TIME OR ENOUGH EFFORT TO REACH OUT TO THIS NUMBER GOVERNANCE IS THIS AREA THEY'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON A LOT FROM OTHER, THERE ARE SEVERAL MAJOR THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING IN THE FUTURE TO TRY TO CHANGE THE DIRECTION ORGANIZATION OUR ORGANIZATION.
FIRST OF ALL, MUST BE MORE ACCOUNTABLE TO YOU.
UH, NOW WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO THAT IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
UH, WE'RE OPEN, WE'RE OPEN FOR IDEAS.
AS I SAID THIS PAST WEEK, SOUTH READING RECORDS INSTITUTE CAME INTO TOWN, DID A VERY THOROUGH ANALYSIS OF ORGANIZATION.
AND WITHIN A COUPLE OF WEEKS, WE WERE GOING TO RECEIVE A WRITTEN REPORT FROM THEM THAT DETAIL THAT WILL AFFECT HOW THIS ORGANIZATION SERVES ITS MEMBER GOVERNMENTS IN THE FUTURE.
UH, WE ARE ALSO HAVING A SIMILAR STUDY DONE THIS MONTH BY THE STATE INVOLVING RJ TPA PROGRAM, SO THAT WE CAN DETERMINE WHAT YOU WILL NEED TO DO TO MAKE THAT PROGRAM TRULY EFFECT.
I CANNOT PREDICT WHAT THAT STUDY WILL, WILL, WILL REVEAL, BUT AMONG THE ISSUES THAT MIGHT BE ADDRESSED IN THIS STUDY WILL BE THE ISSUE OF WHETHER THE ORGANIZATION IS TOP HEAVY, WHETHER IT NEEDS TO BE DOWNSIZED.
THIS, THIS IS AMONG THE ISSUES THAT MAY VERY WELL BE ADDRESSED BY, BY THE STATE OF JTP APRIL.
THE, UH, COD BOARD OF DIRECTORS IS MAKING A SIGNIFICANT MOVE RIGHT NOW, WE'RE CREATING IN THE PROCESS OF REVISING THE BOSS TO CREATE AN EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE, UH, WHICH WILL BROAD RANGE OF DECISION-MAKING BY MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
UH, ADDITIONALLY, WE'RE REPLACING SEVERAL KEY STAFF A WEEK FROM TOMORROW.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ASSESSMENT PANEL TO SELECT OUR NEW AGING DIRECTOR SCREENING COMMITTEE WILL SOON BE LOOKING AT A NUMBER OF RESUMES THAT WE HAVE THAT WE NEVER ADVERTISE FOR RELATIVE TO NEW JTK DIRECTS.
ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE, ARE, ARE CURRENTLY IN THE WORKS.
UH, ADDITIONALLY, UH, YOU RJ TPA PROGRAM, WE HAVE NOW ESTABLISHED THE FIRST TIME THAT HE HAD A JOINT MEETING OF OUR PRIVATE INDUSTRY COUNCIL AND OUR JOB TRAINING CONSORTIUM ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF AGO IN ORDER TO PROMOTE COMMUNICATIONS, THOSE TWO BODIES, AS IT RELATES TO OUR ABILITY TO EFFECTIVELY ADMINISTER
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OUR JAKE AND JTB, OR I WILL ALSO BE RECOMMENDING THAT WE VOTE ON MORE REGULAR MEETINGS OF OUR CITY AND COUNTY MANAGERS, OUR CITY AND COUNTY PLANNERS, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTORS, UH, SO THAT WE MIGHT DO A MORE EFFECTIVE JOB OF PROVIDING A FORUM FOR THE EXCHANGE OF IDEAS IN WHICH EVERYONE CAN BENEFIT.THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO DO RIGHT NOW TO SHOW REGION THAT WE ARE PREPARED TO LIFT OUR SIGHTS, TO MOVE TO A HIGHER PLATEAU AND TO ESTABLISH CLOSER RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE PEOPLE THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO SERVE.
UH, DO I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANYONE ON THE BOARD ABOUT HOW MUCH LONGER DO YOU NEED? THE REASON I'M ASKING IS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE DO THIS ONCE A MONTH AND OTHER CITIZENS.
I MEAN, IF YOU NEED A LONG TIME, MAYBE WE NEED TO GIVE YOU A SLOT, YOU KNOW, LIKE IN ONE OF OUR WORK SESSIONS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I JUST WANT TO GET AN IDEA OF HOW MUCH TIME IT NEED SO WE CAN SATISFY EVERYBODY QUESTIONS NOW.
UH, THE COUNTY OF COURSE, HAS THE OPTION OF COMING BACK IN AT ANY TIME.
IT WON'T AFFECT THE CITY'S DUES.
YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO PUT THIS.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PICKING UP ANY DUES THAT HAVE BEEN LOST BECAUSE HEADLOCK AND CREATE A COUNTY DECIDED TO GO OUT YOUR NEEDS ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE YOU WON'T LAYER.
I LOST, BUT I THINK I'M JUST GOING TO SIT BACK AND WATCH.
I THINK I FEEL THAT I COULD SUPPORT THE ONE MORE YEAR, BUT I THINK HE PROBABLY GOT ONE YEAR TO LOSE BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE UPSET OVER THE RATHER ADVERSARIAL RELATIONSHIP THAT HAS EXISTED IN THE PAST.
WE COULDN'T GET PEOPLE TO COME UP HERE AND EXPLAIN WHAT WAS GOING ON.
AND I'M NOT SURE THAT I, THAT COULDN'T HANDLE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE LISTED HERE.
AND A LOT OF THINGS IN THE LIST OF HERE ARE NOT THINGS THAT THE CITY IS REALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR TO BEGIN WITH.
SO JUST SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, UM, I'M WILLING TO GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO STRAIGHTEN THAT BUSINESS OUT, BUT I THINK ONE YEAR IS ABOUT ALL WE HAVE.
I'VE HEARD WHEN I, WHEN I WAS HIRED, I WAS ASKED AS ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT THEY WANTED ME TO TRY TO ADDRESS, TO DETERMINE, UM, WHETHER WE'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE PAYING TOO MUCH RENT FOR THE FACILITIES THAT WE HAVE.
OBVIOUSLY WE'RE COGNIZANT OF THE DOLLARS THAT WE'RE BRINGING INTO THE ORGANIZATION.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE USED AS EFFECTIVELY AS POSSIBLE.
UH, I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T HAD A TIME TO SIT DOWN AND ANALYZE THE SITUATION SPECIFICALLY TO FIND OUT WHETHER OUR RENT IS EXCESSIVE, WHETHER IN FACT, IT'S EXCESSIVE.
I KNOW THERE'S A PERCEPTION THAN IT IS.
I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO EXAMINE IT, TO SEE WHETHER IN FACT, THERE MAY BE A WAY OF STAYING IN NEW BERN AND RELOCATING TO OTHER FACILITIES THAT MAY BE LESS EXPENSIVE.
UH, NONE OF THESE ISSUES, I JUST HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO LOOK AT THIS PARTICULARLY, BUT JUST TO SAY GENERALLY THAT WE'RE, UH, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MONIES THAT WE ARE RECEIVING FROM OUR MEMBER GOVERNMENTS, THOSE MONIES ARE USED AS WISE AS POSSIBLE.
SO WE HAVE, I THINK WE HAVE A MORAL RESPONSIBILITY TO EXAMINE HOW ALL OF THE RECEIVING ARE BEING USED, INCLUDING INCLUDING MONIES THAT ARE BEING PAID FOR RENT.
WELL, AS THE SUN DARLING HAS ALREADY BEEN STUDIED, THAT I'LL PROBABLY HAVE BEEN THE MOST VOCAL ON THIS BOWL, AS FAR AS AN OPPOSITION.
AND ONE OF THE, WELL, THE MOST EFFECTIVE ARGUMENT THAT HAS KEPT ME QUIET IS THE FACT THAT YOU ARE HOUSED IN YOU.
AND THAT HAS SERVED JUST LET ME SHUT UP FOR NOW.
I DON'T SEE THE SERVICES LISTED ON HERE THAT WE NEED.
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MR. GOLIATH.AND THE REASON, THE REASON I'M WILLING TO NOT TO CLOSE OFF OUR RELATIONSHIP, I'M FROM CHARLOTTE.
WASN'T, I'VE DONE SOME HOMEWORK AND YOU COME HIGHLY RECOMMENDED, AND I THINK HE DESERVES A CHANCE.
I JUST WANT MR. GLAAD TO KNOW THAT I'VE ALWAYS HAD FAITH IN THE NEWFIELD OF COUNSELOR GOVERNMENT.
AND, UM, I FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE BEEN AN ASSET TO THIS COMMUNITY BECAUSE I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS RECEIVED GRANTS AS A RESULTS OF THE EFFORT OF NEWSREEL WITH COUNCIL GOVERNMENT.
UM, I FEEL THAT YOU HAVE AN ASSET TO DOWNTOWN AS FAR AS THE REDEVELOPMENT IS J T P A, UH, FUNDS $243,000 FOR CRAVEN COUNTY.
THAT OUGHT TO BE ENOUGH TO, UH, CONVINCE THE COUNTY THAT THEY'RE GETTING THEIR MONEY'S WORTH.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, I AM LOBBYING BEHIND THE SCENES TO GET THE COUNTY TO REASSESS THEIR WITHDRAWAL.
AND I THINK IT WILL BE SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE, UH, WE, THEY ONLY NEED ONE MORE VOTE.
AND I SAW THAT PERSON IN COURT THE OTHER DAY, AND THEY HAVE EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN REEVALUATING, THEIR DECISION.
THEY'RE GOING TO PAY THEIR DUES FOR THE 19 95 96 FISCAL YEAR, BUT BE OPTIMISTIC.
THEY UNDERSTAND THAT NEWSWEAVER COUNCIL GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN AN ASSET TO THIS COUNTY.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I WANT YOU TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO STAY HERE IN CRAVEN COUNTY BECAUSE YOU ARE WELCOME, EVEN THOUGH YOU'VE BEEN HAVING SOME PROBLEMS IN THE PAST.
I THINK YOU'RE HEADED ON A, A POSITIVE COURSE, BUT, UH, IF BY CHANCE YOU THINK YOUR OVERHEAD IS TOO HOT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOUR LEASE EXPIRES, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ALWAYS, WE NEGOTIATE THAT.
AND, UH, BUT I DON'T, THE PEOPLE HERE, WE DON'T WANT YOU TO LEAVE.
AND, UH, A COURT, THAT'S NOT YOUR DECISION.
IT'S UP TO THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
I'M SURE BARBARA LEE IS GOING TO USE ALL HER POWERS TO KEEP YOU HERE.
BUT ANYWAY, I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT, THAT THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT DO OR FIND THAT YOU PROVIDE A MERITORIOUS SERVICE TO THIS COUNTY AND WE APPRECIATE IT.
HE MADE A, THIS IS, THIS IS A NICE PRESENTATION.
AND I'M JUST WONDERING, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GET BACK, IF YOU COULD BREAK IT DOWN A LITTLE FURTHER AND JUST SHOW US THE MONEY THAT COMES INTO THE CITY OF NEWBURGH, HOW MUCH OF THIS MONEY YOU'RE TALKING TO THE COUNTY COMES ACTUALLY COMES INTO THE CITY AND YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE GETTING ON OUR INVESTMENT.
CAN YOU HELP US WITH THAT? I MEAN, BROKEN DOWN BUT COULD YOU GET US, COULD YOU GET THEM UP? THAT WOULD HELP ME A LOT MAKING A DECISION.
I THINK THAT HAS BEEN A SHORTCOMING OF THE PAST, THE LACK OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE AGENCY AND THE MUNICIPALITIES THAT PARTICIPATE IN THIS.
IF I, IF I AM AWARE OF ANYTHING SAID, THERE'S BEEN A TREMENDOUS LACK OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN ALL OF ITS MEMBERS.
ONE THING ABOUT THE TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE, UH, THE, IN THE FAR BACK PASSED OUT HERE, IS THIS A SUGGESTION INVENTORY? I'VE I'VE, UH, ANALYZED MY STAFF, ALL OF THOSE AREAS.
THERE, YOU HAVE SOME MENTAL EXPERTISE.
WE CAN, WE CAN GET TO WORK WITH THEM.
I WANT TO SAY THIS THOUGH, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TRYING TO DO.
AND MINISTER OF A COUNCIL COUNSELING GOVERNANCE RELATIVE TO LOCAL TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE.
NOW, UH, MR. FREEZE, YOUR POSITION WHEN YOU WERE IN, YOU'VE BEEN IN CHARLOTTE, THE COGNOS WITH DOWN THERE, HASN'T HAD A PROGRAM TECHNICAL, SO LOCAL TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE THAT TOOK 20 YEARS TO BUILD.
AND THEY ROUTINELY BRING IN ABOUT A THOUSAND DOLLARS EACH YEAR, LOCAL TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE FOR NUMBERS THAT ARE BLAND, HAD AN AFFILIATION WITH THE COD, AND THEY WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH THEM.
BUT I'M TELLING YOU THE WAY, THE REASON IT WORKS WELL, THERE IT'S BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN ENOUGH COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE CAR AND ALL OF THEIR MEMBER GOVERNMENTS, THAT THEY ACTUALLY SIT DOWN AND DISCUSS WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE.
AND THEY FIND OUT HAD BEEN ENOUGH COMMUNICATION THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SIT DOWN WITH THE DOG AND TO SAY, WELL, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, RIGHT? CAN YOU BE OF ANY ASSISTANCE TO US IN THIS RESPECT? UH, CODS ARE DESIGNED TO BE FLEXIBLE.
THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO A NEED.
IF IT MEANS TRAINING STAFF, IT MEANS CROSS TRAINING STAFF GETTING TRAINED FROM MS TO GUM OR WHATEVER WE HAVE
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TO DO, PROVIDING APPROVAL OF RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO YOU RIGHT HERE IN YOUR COMMUNITY.UH, MOST IMPORTANTLY, WE WILL BE DOING WITH YOU RIGHT NOW.
THIS ONE HAS TO HAVE A WORK SESSION WITH THE STAFF HERE, FIND OUT WHAT IT IS THAT THE STAFF IS DOING, WHAT PROJECTS YOU MAY HAVE ONE ON NOW, OR ARE ANTICIPATED THAT MAY REQUIRE RESOURCES THAT PERHAPS MAY NOT BE IMMEDIATELY AVAILABLE, OR THEY MAY REQUIRE ENOUGH OF AN EFFORT.
WE HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME DEALING WITH, WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE AN EXTENSION OF YOUR STAFF.
EVEN THE CITY OF CHARLOTTE IT'S PLANNING, STAFF USE THE CENTRAL LINE AND COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS FOR VARIOUS SPECIAL PROJECTS.
THE SIZE OF THE COMMUNITY, THE SIZE OF THE STAFF STILL DOES NOT RULE OUT AN EFFECTIVE WORKING RELATIONSHIP.
IT HAS TO BE BASED ON REAL CLOSE COMMUNICATION ABOUT, I COULDN'T AGREE WITH MORE, UH, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN, WHAT WE'VE BEEN ASKING AND ASKING.
AND SINCE THAT RELATIONSHIP, IT'S THAT POST COMMUNICATIONS THAT WE NEED TO FOSTER.
WE LEFT SOME FRIENDS IN CHARLOTTE.
I BELIEVE WHEN I'M DOING ANY OF THE QUESTIONS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR LINDA REGARDING OUR FINANCIAL? YOU HAD VERY GOOD JOB.
IT NEEDS SOME MORE WORK SESSION OR SOMETHING LIKE I WAS SUGGESTING, YOU KNOW, THEN YOU CAN CALL A BAIL AND EVEN OKAY.
NEXT IN THE POSSESSION OF CITIZENS, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA TO INCLUDE.
AND I COME DOWN TO ASK SOME FIGURE FOR THE BULL.
THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE, Y'ALL HAD REALLY HELPED ME OUT.
AND I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT 12 FRIEND OF MINE THAT REALLY NEEDS SOME HELP.
SO I'LL ASK HIM IF HE WOULD PASS OUT THIS RECORD BEFORE WE ALL KNOW THAT AND LUKE BETTER, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY THAT BIG.
AND YOU REALLY GET INTO MR. LINDELL, WE SEE THE PRICE FIVE OR SIX TICKETS THAT HE HAD WHEN GIVEN INDICTED TOOLING DURING THE SAME DAY, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEIR OFFICE ON THAT DAY.
THERE WERE ABOUT FIVE TICKETS GIVEN OUT AT THE SAME DAY, IN THE SAME DAY.
AND, UH, THE NUMBER, THE SECOND TICKET, I REALLY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE, SO WE HAD TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL TO MAKE SURE THAT HE WASN'T ON THE ENVELOPES OR NO ALCOHOL, BECAUSE SOMEONE REPORTED HIM WAVING ON
IF WE'RE DRIVING, TEXTING AT NIGHT, WE WOULD WORK ABOUT 14 HOURS.
WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN CAUGHT? SLEEPING.
HE WOULD TRY TO MAKE IT HOME, BUT AN OFFICER AND STOPPED THEM.
COULDN'T DETERMINE WHERE THEY'RE HEADED AND ALCOHOL.
SO HE WAS SENT TO THE HOSPITAL TO BE
AND, UM, IT WAS DISMISSED BY THE DA.
AND IF YOU SEE THE NEXT, UH, NO OPERATING LICENSE, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DONE THAT.
BUT THEN WHEN HE WAS SHOT FOR THAT, BUT HE DIDN'T HAVE LICENSE, IT WOULD DISMISS DRIVING WITHOUT TWO HEADLIGHTS.
SO WHAT HAPPENED? HE CALLED ME AND TOLD ME THAT HE AT THE DOCK.
SO I TOLD HIM TO BRING THE CAR HOME.
SO AS HE WOULD COME IN THE OFFICE, IT WAS ABOUT THE MIDDLE OF THE LESSON.
IT COULDN'T BE FIXED AT THAT TIME.
AND THE DA DISMISSED IT, NO DRIVING LICENSE AND COMMERCIAL VEHICLE WITH THE SAME ONE, I THINK IT WAS THE TAXI.
THEY STOPPED HIM AGAIN AND AGAIN, NO DRIVING LICENSE, COMMERCIAL VEHICLE, WHICH WHERE THE TAXI AND IT WAS DISMISSED BY D AT THE SAME TIME, THE NEXT FIVE.
AND THEN THEY FAILED TO WEAR A SEATBELT.
I THINK HE WOULD, HE WOULD GET UP.
HE DIDN'T HAVE ON A SEATBELT, BUT IT WAS DISMISSED BY THE DA.
AND THERE IS AGAIN, NO OPERATING LICENSE.
SO IT REALLY GOT ABOUT THREE OR FOUR TIME.
HE SAW THE SAME CHARGE, NOT REALIZING, BUT IN THE STATE HE DID HAVE, SO THE DA LOOK INTO THERE AND HE DISMISSED IT AGAIN.
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LET ME SEE, WHEN YOU SAY, TURN ON TWO MORE PEOPLE CHARGED WITH SPEEDING THAT WAS DISMISSED AND SOME OF THE WAIVER, BUT I THINK HE PAID IT OFF, PAID IT OFF WAY TO TRY TO PAINT IT ALL.HE PAID IT OFF AND WAVED HIS TRUCK WAITED.
HE WAIVED THE RIGHT TO HAVE A TRIAL PLEAD GUILTY AND, UM, AND READING.
HE SAID HE FELT THAT HE DIDN'T REALIZE THE SPEED MORE ON THIS CALL.
YOU NOTICED EMMETT TILL HE GOT THE RED AT 10 MILE.
JUST THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WHAT THE POLICE OFFICER HAD SAID.
IT WAS DISMISSED BECAUSE THE DA SAW THAT HE WAS SPEEDING IT WAS SET ON FIRE, NOT THE STATE THAT HE HAD PAID.
ALL THE FIGHTER COULDN'T PAY A FLAT, RIGHT? DIDN'T HAVE A JOB JOB AND NUMEROUS HALL AND THE YOUNG MAN, HOWEVER, CONCERNED TO COME TO ME TODAY, HE IS WORKING AT THIS POINT, BUT WHATEVER, HE MAKE IT GO INTO YOUR RENT IN THE HOUSE.
AND HE TOLD ME THEN THEY HAVE A FOOD BECAUSE OF WHATEVER HE HAS, HE HAD TO TRY TO PAY A BILL.
I'M GOING TO APPROVE THE PERMIT.
SO WHY DON'T WE, WHY DON'T WE ASK THE BOARD IF WE COULD TRY TO SOMETHING, UH HE'S UH, WAIT, UH, HE WAITED NOT REALLY ENOUGH TO TRY TO KEEP THE FAMILY TOGETHER AND REALLY TRY TO KEEP YOUR FAMILY TOGETHER.
OH, THIS HAS ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE PROCEDURE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THEY HAVE DENIED.
SHE SAID SHE DID NOT BECAUSE WE WANT HAVE TO COME TO THE, YOU DIDN'T PAY A FINAL AND THEY WERE HOLDING THE LAST UNTIL YOU DID.
MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
UH, THIS IS NEW TO ME HERE, BUT, UH, AS I RECALL, UH, THERE WAS AT ONE TIME WE USED TO HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
IF THERE WERE TWO VIOLATIONS WITHIN A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD, THIS BOARD WOULD HEAR THOSE CASES AND THEN MAKE A DETERMINATION IN ALMOST ALL OF THOSE CASES.
THE BOARD GAVE THEM ONE MORE CHANCE AND PUT THEM ON PROBATION FOR A YEAR AND SAID, IF IT HAPPENS AGAIN IN A YEAR, THEN NO MORE.
BUT THEN IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME, CORRECT, ARE YOU, UH, AT A, ABOUT A YEAR AGO OR MAYBE IT WAS A YEAR AND A HALF, TWO YEARS AGO.
UH, I ADOPTED AN AMENDMENT TO THAT CODE, WHICH CHANGED THE REQUIREMENT FROM TWO AND A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD TO THREE AND A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD AND GAVE NO APPEAL RIGHTS.
UH, IT WAS A DONE DEAL SO THAT PEOPLE WOULD NOT COME BACK BEFORE YOU THAT ONCE THEY GOT THREE, THAT WAS IT.
AND, UH, I THINK THE CODE READS THAT NOW I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS A PROVISION FOR AN APPEAL ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.
SO DOES HE HAVE THREE TICKS IN A, IN A, IN A FOUR YEAR PERIOD? HE'S GOT THREE AND HE'S GOT THREE AND IT'S BEEN PAYING OFF.
HE'S GOT ONE ON A 7, 28 OF 92, WHICH WAS PAID OFF.
AND HE'S GOT ONE ON JANUARY 29TH OF 93, WHICH WAS WAIVED THE FADE THAT WENT OFF AND HE'S GOT ONE DINNER FOR MARCH OR MAY, MAY 8TH OF 93, WHICH WAS WAITING, WHICH HE PAID OFF.
SO THAT'S THREE SENTENCES, UH, JULY THE 28TH OF 1992, THAT HE ACKNOWLEDGED HE WAS GUILTY AND PAID THEM OFF.
THEY, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WERE DISMISSED, THEY DON'T EVEN COUNT.
THERE ARE THREE CONVICTIONS OR A GUILTY PLEAS WITHIN TRIVIA.
AND I DO BELIEVE YOU, IF YOU REMOVED THE HEARING PROCESS FOR THREE, AND YOU SAID WITH TWO, YOU ALWAYS GAVE ONE MORE ON PROBATION.
AND WHEN YOU MOVED THAT FROM TWO TO THREE, YOU REMOVED THAT PROVISION FOR HEARING WITH A BOY'S HANDS ARE TIED.
I GUESS WE CAN SEE THE TURN AND SAY, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING.
SO I RECOLLECTION IS THE SAME AS YOURS THAT WAS TAKEN OUT, HE WOULD HAVE CHANGED THE CODE IN ORDER TO DO SOMETHING.
LET ME, LET ME ASK A QUESTION JUST FOR THE HECK OF IT WHILE YOU'RE FIGURING THE CODE OUT.
AND I WANT TO ASK MR. TAYLOR, JUST OUT OF MY OWN CURIOSITY, YOU WERE CHARGED WITH A DWI AND IT WAS DISMISSED.
DID HE BLOW A BREATHALYZER? NO, NO.
BUT WHEN THE OFFICER TOOK HIM DOWN, HE DIDN'T BLOW THEM.
SO THEY THOUGHT HE WAS ON DRUGS.
I TOOK HIM TO THE HOSPITAL FOR CHEMICAL TEST.
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THEY DIDN'T HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THISCAUSE YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A, UH, A, UM, BLOOD ALCOHOL READING IN ORDER TO CHARGE ONE.
YOU CAN, IF, IF, IF THEIR ACTIONS, IF THEY, IF THEY HELP, THEY SEEM TO HAVE LOST APPRECIABLE CONTROL OF THEIR MENTAL, FOUL FACULTIES, THEY ABOUT IT FACULTIES OR BOTH.
THEN YOU CAN BE CHARGED WITH A DWI WE'LL FILE, A BREATHALYZER READING.
YOU HAVE TO BE UNDER THE INFLUENCE SUCH THAT YOU LOSE CONTROL OF YOUR MENTAL POLY FACULTIES ON BOTH
THIS TIRE BEEN OUT A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN IT.
SHOULD'VE
THE BOARD DECIDED THAT IT DID NOT WANT THESE DRIVERS COMING UP HERE EVERY TIME, HUGE ISSUE FROM IT.
GIVE THEM ALL THE TIME VIOLATION THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO THIS POOL.
AND WE DO HAVE THAT IN WRITING IN THE RECORDS.
WELL, IN THAT CASE, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ANYWAY.
CAUSE THEN THE CODE I'M SURE IT'S, IT'S THREE VIOLATIONS WITHIN A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD.
LET'S JUST MIKE AND DOUG GET VERIFIED.
AND IF IT'S ANY DIFFERENT MILLENNIUM, NOT NO.
AT THE AGE AFTER HE'S BEEN FINE, HE'S GOT THIS TWO AND FIVE YEARS.
ONE'S GOT THE GRANDFATHER OUT AND ELVIS.
SO HE WOULD HAVE SOME NINE MONTHS AND WE'D WAIT FOR JULY 28TH, 1997.
WHEN APPLE WILL DISAPPEAR FROM THE BRACKET.
THESE FLIGHTS, THE OLDEST ONE WAS JULY THE 28TH OF 92.
AND THE FIVE YEARS OF THAT DATE, IT WILL DROP ONLY TO, WITHIN A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD.
SO YOU CAN ONLY HAVE, UH, HOW MANY TAKES WITHIN THREE YEARS? IS IT THREE TICKETS, PLANE TICKETS.
BUT IN FIVE YEARS USED TO BE TWO TICKETS WITHIN FIVE YEARS.
WELL, YOU KNOW, WE GOT, WE GOT A LOT, A LOT OF TIME, AS I SAID, THIS CAR, HE TOOK IT FOR GRANTED, I GUESS MS. MR. OTIS, LISTEN, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO TONIGHT, BUT I PROMISE YOU THAT WE WILL REEVALUATE THE POLICY AND MAYBE IT MIGHT BE CHANGED, BUT WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING.
AND WE CAN'T HAVE ANY IMMERSIVE BECAUSE THE LAWS ALONE, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO, BUT WE CAN AMEND THE ORDINANCE, BUT WE CAN'T DO IT TONIGHT.
IT MIGHT BE, IT MAY BE ABLE TO BE REEVALUATED BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A LITTLE TOO STRICT PERHAPS, BUT WE GOT TO DISCUSS IT IN WORK SESSION.
SO IF YOU ALL BRING THIS UP THROUGH, THERE'S A LOT OF PRIVATE AND LET YOU KNOW, JUST WANTING TO SAYING NO WORDS RIGHT NOW.
OH, I MEAN, COULD YOU BUILD A GENERAL ABOUT THAT ADMITTED? MAYBE WE DON'T NEED, BUT WE MAY REEVALUATE IT, BUT WE CAN'T DO IT.
IT'S NO USE IN ARGUE TONIGHT BECAUSE NOTHING WE CAN DO.
OH OR, WELL YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT DRIVING A CAB, RIGHT? THIS LADY SAYING THAT WE HAVE TO PONDER UPON IS THE WAY THE SAFETY THAT'S EXPECTED.
A PASSENGER GETS IN THAT CAR AT THE CITY OF NEW HAVEN IS OKAY TO DRIVER THE WAY THAT, THAT INDIVIDUAL SAFETY AGAINST HIS, UH, DESIRE TO MAKE 11, WHICH IS ALSO A GOOD DESIRE.
SO IT'S NOT AN EASY TASK IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
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WE THEN DECIDED BEFORE MY TIME, AND IT WOULD BE THREE AND FIVE YEARS FOR US TO REVISIT, AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME, SOME NEW WEIGHING OF THE SCALES BETWEEN THAT PERSON WHO GETS IN THAT CAB EXPECTING THE SAFE DRIVER VERSUS WHAT WE ARE.WE HAVE DETERMINED THE SAFE DRIVER IS DEFINED AS, SO IT'S NOT JUST AS SIMPLE AS JUST, YOU KNOW, TOSSING IT OUT.
WE, WE, WE OWE SOMETHING TO THE PEOPLE TO GET IN THE CAB, BUT I ALWAYS SAY, WE'LL CONSIDER IT.
NOW, MR. MAYOR, ACTUALLY I SAID THERE WERE THREE REVISIONS.
THERE WERE FOUR CONVICTIONS WITHIN THAT PERIOD OF TIME, SINCE MAY THE 28TH, TWO OR THREE FOR SPEEDING, AND ONE FOR FAILURE TO STOP TO STOP, THAT WOULD BE ON THE SAME TIME OR
HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT IT WAS THE SAME THING, SAME TIME, SAME OWNER WHO DIDN'T PICK IT ON THE CABINET, ALL OF THEM, FIVE.
WHAT ARE YOU SEEING THEM ON THE BACK OF THE NEXT ONE COMING UP? DON'T FILE A TICKET WITH GIVING AT THE SAME TIME IN THE SAME THING.
IF YOU KNOW, SNIP, UH, YOU PLED GUILTY TO ONE.
WELL ACTUALLY GOT TWO EVICTIONS.
IT'S NOT A CONVICTION, SO YOU CAN'T COUNT THAT.
SO ANYWAY, ACCORDING TO THE RECORD HERE, HE CAN REAPPLY JULY 29TH, 1997, BUT WE WILL WORK ON AND THE HEADLIGHT IS NOT A MOVING VIOLATION TO DRIVE WITHOUT TWO HEADLAMPS THAT'S IMPROPERLY EQUIPMENT.
BUT ANYWAY, NEXT MY NAME IS VERY LOUD WITH THE BEDROOMS, WHICH I GOT A MORE RIDING LAST YEAR OF MY NAME SHOWED UP IN THE NEWSPAPER OR MR. RANGER OVER HERE BECAUSE I SUPPORTED HIM.
AND SOME OF THE THINGS THEY SAID, IT WAS SEEING THAT OVER THE LAST WEEK I HAD SEVEN PEOPLE COME TO ME AND BASICALLY THEY SAID WAS THAT THEY WERE WATCHING TV AND THEY ARE ONE OF THE ONLY ONES MAKE SOME STATEMENTS THAT WERE INCORRECT ABOUT THEM.
I'M HERE TO KIND OF SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT, OPERATED MORE C8 IN 1962.
AND MR.
THAT WAS LATER ON MINUTES FROM 13, 18 YEAR OLD BACK IN THOSE DAYS.
AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
ONE OF THE GOALS OF OPERATION WAS A NEW KID.
WHOEVER HAD PLAYED BASEBALL IN THE CITY, 34 SEASONS LATER.
NOW I'M GOING TO SAY I PLAYED BASEBALL IN THE CITY.
A A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE IS THAT THE CITY OF DENVER AND BACK IN 1962, AGREED TO PROVIDE A BASEBALL AND DID NOT BREACH BY BASEBALL, CAPS, CLUBS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UH, I'M AFFILIATED WITH NOW FOR APPROXIMATELY EIGHT YEARS DURING THAT EIGHT YEARS.
BUT I WANT TO SHOW ANYBODY BASEBALLS, BASEBALL, CAPS, UNIFORMS, ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS, AND INSURANCE, THE CITY OF NEWBURGH.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, I MADE THE TYPE OF INDIVIDUAL THAT I AM.
I WANT HAVE A CONCESSION STAND.
AND FORTUNATELY I HAVE RAISED THE MONEY.
I'D PROBABLY PUT SIX TO 800 HOURS AND GO TO THAT CONCESSION STAND.
I WENT TO HAVE ELECTRICITY, WHICH BELONGS TO THE CITY OF DOVER.
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HAVE ELECTRICITY.YOU WERE SITTING BY
NOW UBER HAS NOT CONTRIBUTED TO THAT OPERATION.
NOW, SOME OF THE STATEMENTS THAT ARE MADE TO LEAD PEOPLE TO BELIEVE THAT ALL SIX YEARS
TODAY, WE HAVE 14 TEAMS IN THE CITY AND ALSO THEY FIGURE UPSTATE THAT 5% OF THE BALLPLAYERS IS AN INACCURATE STATEMENT FOR NOW.
IF ANY OTHER PROBLEM, WITH THE NEW CHURCH, THEY DON'T CALL THAT THE NEW NEGATIVELY SAY TO HELL WITH SOMETHING THERE OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO SAY.
I'M SURE YOU KEEP YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THE DOUGAL MEGALITH DIRECTLY TO THE DIFFERENT BEDROOMS AND NOT THE GENERAL BASEBALL COMMUNITY.
I HAD A VERY STRONG RECOMMENDATION
ONCE THE GAME YOU TAKE YOUR SURROUNDING COUNTIES, INCORRECT DAILY
YOU PAY FOR YOUR UNIFORMS BASED ON HOME GAMES YOU TAKE, UH, I SPENT THOUSANDS, THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS.
TO RUN THE
UH, MICHAEL WAS TALKING ABOUT OUR OPERATING BUDGET.
THEN AROUND THE RENT ACCESS ABOUT A THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR.
A LOT OF TIMES WE PAY PREMIUM PRICE, THE BICEP IN THE CITY OF RIVER, FROM THE CITY, A NUMBER OF BUSINESSES RATHER THAN TAKING MONEY THAT WAS RAISED IN AND AROUND RIVER AND TAKE SOME REPS WHERE WE CAN GET A BETTER DEAL.
SO I CERTAINLY WOULD APPRECIATE IT, MR. MAYOR OR ANYONE ELSE TO COME TO THIS ROOM AND STAND IN FRONT OF THOSE CAMERAS MAKES ANY STATEMENT ABOUT THE DUPER BAKER'S LEG.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS THERE'S A LOT OF CITIZENS JUST BEGINNING TO GET REALLY UPSET AND CITIZEN GETS UPSET.
HAVE I SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THE BABY? THAT'S WHERE I WAS.
I FELT LIKE I TURNED 50 AND EVERYTHING ISN'T QUITE THERE LIKE IT USED TO BE, BUT I DIDN'T THINK I HAD, BUT YOU SAID MAYOR SEVERAL TIMES THAT KIND OF WOKE ME UP.
I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY ON THE BOARD MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE BABE RUTH LEAGUE SPECIFICALLY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
EITHER PEOPLE REVIEW AND CHANNEL CAN THE LOCAL TV LAST YEAR, LAST WEEK, COME UP TO ME AND MADE COMMENTS ABOUT THE PAPER OF LETTERS THAT WERE STATED BY AUTUMN OTTOMAN RANDOM.
NUMBER ONE, NUMBER ONE, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE BAY ROOF T UH, LEAVE.
HOWEVER, I DID MAKE A STATEMENT LAST WEEK SAYING THAT THE CITY OF NEWBURGH NEEDS TO HAVE ITS OWN TEAMS SPONSORED BY THE CITY OF NEWBURGH WHERE NEW-BORN CHILDREN PLAY.
AND LAST YEAR I DID GET SOME STATISTICS SHOWING THAT 67% OF THE PEOPLE WHO USE OUR BALL FIELD LIVE OUTSIDE THE CITY OF NEW BERN THAT DID HAPPEN.
BUT I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE NEW BURN, BABE, RUTH LEE WELL, REGARDLESS, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BAD ROOF OR WHATEVER.
ALL THE TEAMS AND BEIRUT WAS INCLUDED, BUT NOTHING, NONE OF THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE BAY.
I USE BASEBALL
I MEAN, IT'S ON TAPE AND IF YOU PLAY IT BACK, HEY, IT'S THE TAPE DON'T LIE TAPES.
YOU'LL HAVE A FREE, FREE PASS TO COME OUT AND CRACK ANYTHING THAT SAID IN THE FUTURE REGARDING THE BASEBALL TEAMS, IN CASES, ANY MISCONCEPTIONS OR MISUNDERSTANDINGS OR WHATEVER.
AND IF WE WE'RE STILL ALIVE AND KICKING, UH, CITIZEN AROUND THEM IN THE CITY OF DENVER THIS YEAR, MAN, A FEW OTHER BRANDS MONEY IN THE MIDDLE OF NIGHT, CONCESSION STANDS.
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THE CITY OF DENVER.AND WHEN YOU'RE DOING YOUR RENOVATION, YOU TAKE VARIOUS, UH, TO MATERIALS OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING.
I ASKED THE CITY TO REMOVE THEIR OWN WASTE AND THEY REALLY THANKFUL.
YOU MAY WANT TO TAKE A LOOK FOR SOME INFIGHTING.
WELL, LET ME, LET ME, LET ME SAY SOMETHING TO THAT.
IF ANY CITIZEN YOURSELF INCLUDED OR ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY PROBLEMS OR COMPLAINTS.
SO DON'T LIKE THE WAY THE CITY IS GOING.
I'M SURE IT WOULD BE YOU OUT AT IT.
AND WHEN THEY FIGURE OUT WHO THEY ARE, THEY'RE WELCOME TO CALL THEM.
AND I WILL PERSONALLY LOOK INTO IT MYSELF, BECAUSE THE LAST THING WE WANT IS BAD RELATIONS BETWEEN THE CITY AND ANYBODY, INCLUDING ITS OWN CITIZENS.
SO IF THAT'S HAPPENING, THAT'S A MISTAKE.
SO I MEAN, THAT'S ABOUT ALL I CAN PUT TO THAT, DANI.
WELL, I CONCUR WITH EVERYBODY INVOLVED IN THE CHURCH AND THEY LOVE THEM.
AND THE ONLY, THE ONLY
SEE, I'M JUST
WELL, THAT'S EXACTLY TO BE LIKE US.
WE FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT AND SHE WOULDN'T HAVE, AND I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO SAY, AND YOU KNOW, MOST OF US UP HERE ARE OUR FRIENDS AND ACQUAINTANCES AND ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS.
AND MOST OF US RESPECT EACH OTHER'S OPINION.
HOWEVER, I WOULD NOT LIKE FOR ANYONE TO HOLD THE REST OF HIS BOARD ACCOUNTABLE FOR ANYTHING I WOULD SAY IN MY REMAINING TERM.
AND CONVERSELY, I THINK ANYBODY ELSE THAT MAKES A COMMENT OR WHATEVER, WHICH THEY'RE JUSTLY ENTITLED TO MAKE, THEN THEY SHOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, THEY SHOULD BE THE ONES QUIZ AND I'M NOT PICKING ON MR. REINER.
CAUSE HE'S THE ONE THAT SAID IT, BUT I CAN'T, I CAN'T GET INSIDE SOMEBODY ELSE'S HEAD.
HE EXPLAINED TO ME WHAT THE THOUGHT WAS.
AND THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN ADDRESS IT AS ADDRESS THE INDIVIDUAL, I DON'T THINK HE MEANT ANY HARM.
AND IF IT WAS TAKEN THAT WAY IS ONE THING I FOUND OUT ABOUT HIS JOB.
A MATTER OF FACT, I MADE A COMMENT TONIGHT FOR I CAME HERE AND IT'S DIFFICULT TO HANDLE.
AND THAT IS THAT NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO MASTER THAT YET, NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, IT, MAKE SOMEBODY MAKE IT.
AND I, I MEAN, IF IT, LIKE I SAID, IF HE'S STANDING ON THE CORNER, HANDING OUT HUNDRED DOLLAR BILLS, IT'LL MAKE SOMEBODY MAD.
THE POINT IS THAT EVEN WITH THAT SAID, THE BEST WE CAN DO IS EACH OF US BE RESPONSIBLE.
NUMBER ONE, FOR WHAT WE OURSELVES HAVE SAID.
AND NUMBER TWO, YOU HAVE A GUY BREAK SOMETIMES TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER HE SAID IS EXACTLY WHAT HE MEANT, BECAUSE THAT'S POPPED ON ME A COUPLE OF TIMES THAT SOMEBODY HAS TAKEN THINGS AND SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU SAID THIS AND THAT'S NOT EXACTLY WHAT YOU MEANT.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO ANIMOSITY BETWEEN THE CITY AND EVEN IN ANY OF THE BALL TEAMS AT ALL, BELIEVE ME ANYWAY, WHERE YOU'RE FUCKING WITH AND THE CARD WORKS WELL, SORRY, I DIDN'T BRING IT WITH ME TONIGHT.
MY PHONE NUMBER IS ON THE FRONT OF THAT CAR.
DID YOU PROMPT YOU ABOUT ONE? I GOT ONE NON, WAS HE STILL ON THERE WAS THAT ANYBODY ELSE HERE COMES UH, WAS WONDERING WHAT HAPPENED TO THE, UH, TALK WE WERE HAVING ABOUT CHANGING THE PROTESTING HOURS OR ONE DAY WITHIN THREE DAYS AND ONE DAY WE WERE SUPPOSED TO MEET AGAIN AND IT JUST SEEMED TO BACK WE FIND WITH ME MAYBE MIGHTY AGENDA FOR AS WELL.
I MEAN, IF IT'S, IF IT'S TOO TIGHT, CAN PUT IT ON THE ONE AFTER THAT.
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WELL, THAT DEPENDS ON WHAT Y'ALL HAVE IT BY ANYWAY.WE'LL WE WILL SCHEDULE IT AND LET YOU KNOW, IT'LL BE FOR A WORK SESSION EITHER THE MAXIMUM OR THE ONE AFTER THAT NEXT.
I GUESS THAT'S THE END OF THE PETITIONS MOVING ALONG.
NEXT THING WE HAVE IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND ADOPT AN ORDINANCE ON PETITION FOR ANNEXATION FOR 35 34 OF THE FIVE ROAD.
SO WHO'S GOING TO SPEAK TO THAT.
MIKE, ARE YOU GOING TO EXPLAIN THIS CALL FOR THE PUBLIC HERE? NOW? DOES ANYBODY HERE WANT TO SPEAK AGAINST IT OR FOR IT? OR HEAR ME CLOSE SECOND.
SAY THE ORDINANCE SEC, ANY DISCUSSION ME? I'M JUST GOING TO STOP MR. MAYOR.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT SHOULD BE IN THE CITY.
THAT'S BASED PROBABLY IN A GOOD MOOD.
UM, YES, MR. MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT TO ANYONE WHO HAS ANY QUESTIONS.
THIS IS NOT FORCED ANNEXATION.
THIS IS ANOTHER ONE AND THIS AND ARGUABLY IN OUR TERRITORY HAVE NO TRIBUTARIES BRIDGES.
I SHOULD PROBABLY SIT HERE AND I'M ADOPT RESOLUTION FOR WATER AND SEWER SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS.
SO THE LOCAL PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT, ANYBODY GOT ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THE IMPROVEMENTS ON THE WATER AND SUICIDES? COME ON, DUDE.
OKAY, COME FORWARD AND LET US ALL IN ON AND THEN IF YOU DON'T MIND STATE YOUR NAME AND CHRIS PUT AWAY, UH, MARRIOTT HERE, THIS NOT PRESENT.
IF I COULD BACK UP JUST A MOMENT IN THE BACK, I THINK INTO PETITIONS, UH, WE SUBMITTED A PETITION AND I DON'T KNOW, I DIDN'T HEAR IT MENTIONED SO SPEAK TO, UM, ON MAY 20TH, 1995, THE NEUSE RIVER FOUNDATION ANTICIPATES AGAIN, HOLDING THE FESTIVAL NEWSPAPER DAY TO CELEBRATE THIS RIVER AS A VALUABLE NATURAL RESOURCE, WE SEEK THE WHOLE EDUCATIONAL EXHIBITS FOR THOSE GOALS TO ADD TO THE BEST OF
THEREFORE WE RESPECT WHAT THEY CLOSED AND BOOKED AND MOBILE TRAFFIC FROM 10:00 PM ON MAY 19TH, 1995 TO 7:00 PM ON MAY 29TH.
AND THAT WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR, SAME THING.
BUT, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS KIND OF IRREGULAR.
WE NEED TO WAIT AND DO THIS AFTER WE HAVE THE PUPPET HERITAGE I'M IT'S BEING LOOKED AT BY THE STAMP RIGHT NOW, WE WERE GOING TO BRING IT TO THE NEXT MEETING.
BUT I MEAN, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T TELL A VOTE ON CLOTHES.
I MEAN, I DON'T MIND CLOSING IT, BUT LET'S HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS.
THE ONLY TO STUDY IT FURTHER BEFORE YOU COME BACK.
WELL, THE MAIN THING WE WANT TO DO TO MAKE SURE THERE WEREN'T ANY CONFLICTS THAT WERE SCHEDULED DOWN THERE, NO, NOTHING THAT WOULD HAPPEN DOWN THERE THAT WOULD CAUSE SOME PROBLEMS FOR THEM OR FOR SOMEBODY ELSE.
AND THEN THAT'S JUST A FORMALITY BASICALLY, RIGHT? I MEAN, IF THERE'S NOTHING HAPPENING LIKE THAT, BUT I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND DO IT, THEN THAT'S FINE.
THIS NEXT MEETING, WE WOULDN'T BOTHER TO PUT IT OFF TO THE NEXT MEETING.
WELL, THE ONLY THING IS WE DO NEED TO IT FOR PLANNING PURPOSES WILL CLOSE.
AND IN FACT, GETTING SOMEBODY CALL ME ABOUT GETTING THAT SATURDAY AND I CHECKED IT OUT AND MAKE SURE THAT SATURDAY WAS OPEN SAYING IT IT'S OPEN MIKE OR MISTAKE ABOUT SOMETHING, ABOUT A MALE STANDING AROUND WITH NECK.
AND I WAS PLEASED TO TAKE A HIGH DIVE.
I ASKED EXACTLY WHEN I'M OUT OF DUNKY OH, A DUNKING BOOTH.
WELL, I MADE A MOTION AND WE CAN CERTAINLY, IF SOMETHING COMES UP, WE CAN CERTAINLY BACK OFF.
CAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
I LET MY EMOTIONS DOWN UNLESS THE ROBERT'S RIGHT.
DID THIS INSIDE OF ANOTHER HEARING.
WE HAD TO PULL IT BACK OUT OF THE ABDOMEN I HAVEN'T SEEN, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET.
IT'S STILL BEING REVIEWED BY OTHER STAFF.
WHERE THE PROBABLY HEARING FOR THE
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WATER AND SEWER SYSTEM, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ON YOUR OWN, AGAIN, AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE NEWS FOR VALIDATION, I APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON THE CITY'S PROPOSAL TO SPEND MILLIONS OF THE TAXPAYER MONEY TO IMPROVE WATER AND SEWER REQUIREMENTS.MOST OF WHICH APPEARS WILL BE SPENT IN CITIES, ANNEXATION, WAREHOUSES, NEW REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT.
OUR FOUNDATION'S MISSION IS TO ENHANCE THE HEALTH OF THE NEWSROOM.
AND WE HAVE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS ABOUT EFFECTIVENESS AS WELL AS ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS.
MORE COMMUNITY ARE INTERESTED IN THIS PROPOSAL IS AS FOLLOWS, ASSUMING THE CITY PLANS TO DISCHARGE THE ADDITIONAL PLATFORM, WHICH WILL RESULT FROM THIS PROPOSAL DIRECTLY INTO THE NEWS, WILL THE CITY MAKES CONVENIENCE TO REDUCE THE NITROGEN CONTENT AS THE CITY OF CARROT IS PROPOSING ALSO IS THE CITY CONSIDERING ANY ALTERNATIVE MEANS OF DISPOSING OF THIS ADDITIONAL BATHROOM, OTHER THAN DIRECT DISCHARGE? WE'RE ALSO CONCERNED THAT THIS PROPOSAL BYPASSES THE COUNTY'S ADDITIONAL SEWAGE NEEDS THERE'S RESPECT TO TOWNSHIPS.
HAS THERE BEEN ANY ATTEMPT TO COORDINATE THE NEEDS OF THE CITY AND THOSE OF THE COUNTY? WOULDN'T IT BE MORE ECONOMICAL AND EFFICIENT TO WORK TOGETHER? I MIGHT ALSO ADD THAT THERE ARE VARIOUS STUDY GROUPS FORMING OR ALREADY IN PLACE LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVES.
I'M WONDERING ABOUT WHERE THIS FITS INTO THAT PROCESS.
ALSO SINCE WEYERHAEUSER IS THE MAJOR BENEFICIARY OF THIS PROPOSAL, WHAT ARE THEY BRINGING TO THE PARTY? WHY NOT BUILD A TREATMENT PLANT IN THE AREA OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT TO HANDLE THEIR WASTEWATER AND THEREBY OPEN ALTERNATIVE DISCHARGE POSSIBILITIES.
THIS COULD ALSO PROTECT THE CITY'S DISCHARGE CAPACITY FOR FUTURE NEEDS AS THE SYDNEY EXPERIENCE, SINCE OUR FOUNDATION, AS WELL AS THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND OTHER CONSERVATIVE ORGANIZATIONS HAVE NOT BEEN PRIVY TO THE DETAILS OF THIS PROPOSAL.
WE WELCOME THIS OPPORTUNITY TO GET THIS INFORMATION, HOW WE CAN ASSURE YOU THAT OUR ORGANIZATION WILL LOOK CAREFULLY AND IF NECESSARY CRITICAL AND ANY PLAN THAT WE FEEL ADVERSE EFFECTS TO HELP.
THANK YOU, BY THE WAY, WHY DON'T YOU THINK ABOUT THE CITY OF KERRY? YOU HADN'T HUGGED CADED TO PUT 12 MILLION GALLONS IN AND WE DIDN'T EVEN GET A HEARING DOWN IN THIS NECK OF THE WOODS CLOUT.
WELL, I KNOW WE SENT OUT A RESOLUTION UP JUST ASKING FOR A HEARING AND I STILL CONTEND THAT THOSE OF US THAT LIVE ON THE RIVER, ALL THEY HAVE AT LEAST MORE THAN A SQUEAKY LITTLE VOICE, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? AND YET WE DIDN'T EVEN GET A HEARING I'M AWARE OF AND THAT'S, I MIGHT'VE FOUND A CALL AND FIND OUT WHY IT HASN'T BEEN RETURNED, BUT I SHALL KEEP CALLING IT REALLY.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS ANY HER QUESTIONS TONIGHT OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE THEM IN A MORE FORMAL PRESENTATION OR? WELL, I THINK I CAN ADDRESS SEVERAL OF THEM.
UH, NUMBER ONE, UH, THE MAJORITY OF THIS PROJECT IS NOT TO SERVE THE ANNEXED AREA OF WEYERHAEUSER, NOR IS IT THE SEWER IN THIS PARTICULAR THING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT, UH, 5 MILLION OF THIS 5 MILLION, $67,000 IS FOR WATER FOR POTABLE DRINKING WATER.
AND, UH, MOST OF THE MONEY IS TO GO FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A ADDITIONAL WELL IN CODE CITY TO SERVE, UH, THE GROWTH NEEDS OF THE CITY.
UH, AND THE OTHER, A LARGE CHUNK OF MONEY IS GOING FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 4 MILLION GALLON ON GROUND STORAGE TANK TO BE LOCATED OVER NEAR NEWS BOULEVARD.
AND ANOTHER MILLION DOLLARS IS SCHEDULED TO BE DONE FOR DISTRIBUTION LINE IMPROVEMENTS TO IMPROVE FIRE PRESSURES AND, UH, ALSO FLOW PRESSURE WITHIN OUR SYSTEM, UH, ABOUT, UH, 700 OR 800,000 OF THAT AMOUNT, I THINK IS SCHEDULED TO RUN WATER LINES ACROSS THE, UH, BRIDGE, THE TRENT RIVER BRIDGE TO GO TO, UH, SERVE THE WAREHOUSE OR DEVELOPMENT.
AND A 250,000 GALLON ELEVATED STORAGE TANK IS SCHEDULED TO BE CONSTRUCTED THERE.
AND THAT WAS PART OF THE AGREEMENT THAT THE CITY HAD WHEN THEY ANNEX THE WAREHOUSER PROPERTY.
UH, THEY, SEWER IMPROVEMENTS AMOUNT OF MONEY PER SEWER IS BASICALLY FOR ENGINEERING SERVICES.
AND THAT'S THE EXTENT OF THE INVOLVEMENT IN THIS PROJECT THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
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THEY ARE TWO, UH, THERE WILL BE A FORCE MAIN CONSTRUCTED OVER TO THE WAREHOUSE OR DEVELOPMENT AND A LIFT STATION CONSTRUCTED OUT THERE AND A WAREHOUSER WILL BEAR THAT EXPENSE UP FRONT.UH, CITY WILL PAY THEM BACK OVER THE YEARS AS TAP FEES COME AVAILABLE FROM THAT PROJECT AND WE'LL PAY THEM BACK INTEREST FREE.
AND SO ABOUT WHAT IS THE ANTICIPATED COST AND TIMING ON THIS PROJECT ON THE PART THAT WE'RE NOT TALKING ON, THE PART THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE SEWER PART THAT IS ABOUT $600,000, I THINK IS ESTIMATED THAT A WAREHOUSE, IT WILL BE FRONTING AND, UH, THEY'LL USE THE MAXIMUM FLOW.
WE ANTICIPATE ABOUT 300,000 GALLONS.
IT WILL BE PART OF THE CITY'S ALREADY EXISTING ALLOCATION THAT WE DON'T THERE WON'T BE ANY, UH, UH, NITROGEN REDUCTION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE CITY'S PLAN IS NOT SET UP OR REQUIRED UNDER HIS PERMIT TO PROVIDE THAT.
ALTHOUGH THE CITY IS LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVES, UH, AND HAVE BEEN FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS OF ALTERNATIVES THAT MIGHT TAKE US OUT OF THE RIVER.
SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY ALL THAT I KNOW ABOUT WHAT YOU JUST ASKED.
I'M PLEASED TO HEAR THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVES.
UM, THIS IS, I HAVEN'T HEARD TOO MUCH BAPTIST.
NO, I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I'M NOT AT LIBERTY.
I COULD JUST SAY THAT FOR TWO YEARS, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT METHODS AND WAYS THAT WE MIGHT TAKE ALL OF OUR DISCHARGE OUT OF THE NEUSE RIVER.
THE CITY IS FREQUENTLY ACCUSED OF NOT PLANNING IN ADVANCE.
WE DO THINGS AT THE LAST MINUTE.
WE ONLY ACT AND WE ONLY REACT AND NEVER ACT.
AND THAT IS NOT REALLY TRUE, BUT WE'RE SORT OF CAUGHT IN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE IN MANY CASES, AS LONG AS SIX OR SEVEN YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS FIRST ON THE BOARD WHEN WE WERE FIRST TOLD THAT, AND I UNDERSTOOD THAT TO BE THE CRETACEOUS AQUIFER, AND I KEEP GETTING ANOTHER NAME FOR THE ACTOR FOR THAT, UH, FROM WHICH WE DRAW OUR DRINKING WATER, WHICH IS VERY GOOD, GREAT, PURE WATER, UH, HAD BEEN DROPPING IT LIKE SIX FEET PER YEAR.
AND IT CAUSED US TO STOP AND THINK ABOUT WHAT WE WOULD BE DRINKING 10 OR 20 YEARS IN THE FUTURE.
NOT IN ANY TIME PROBABLY IS GOING TO MAKE A LOT OF DIFFERENCE TO ME BECAUSE I'M THE OLDEST MEMBER OF THE BOARD, BUT CALLING IT OUTSIDE SEVEN, WHAT WE, WE DID AT THAT TIME, AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE FUTURE AND WHERE OUR DRINKING WATER WOULD BE COMING FROM WHERE THE AFFLUENT, WHICH THE CITY DOES NOT NEGATE THE PEOPLE WHO MOVE HERE AND LIVE HERE THAT GREW UP HERE CREATED THE CITY IS JUST TAXED WITH THE RESPONSIBILITY OF GETTING RID OF, UH, A NUMBER OF POSSIBILITIES CAME UP AT TOPS FOR BOTH THE DRINKING WATER AND SOLUTIONS TO THE PROBLEMS, WHICH WE ALL SEE AND DUMPING INTO THE RIVER.
NONE OF US REALLY WANT TO, BUT WHEN WE STARTED EXPLORING ALTERNATIVES, IT'S A RATHER TOUCHY SITUATION.
THE OPEN MEETINGS LAW REQUIRES THAT STIPULATES, THAT WE CAN ONLY DISCUSS IN CONFIDENCE BEHIND CLOSED DOORS, CERTAIN THINGS.
AND THE PUBLIC SAYS, WE WANT MORE INFORMATION.
WE WANT MORE INFORMATION, AND WE DON'T THINK YOU SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO DISCUSS ANYTHING BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.
THE PROBLEM IS THAT WHENEVER PLANS BECOME PUBLIC, WHICH IMPACT ON SUCH THINGS AS DISPOSABLE SEWAGE IN THE FUTURE AND WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GET OUR WATER AND A CERTAIN ELEMENT OF THE COMMUNITY.
HERE'S WHAT THOSE PLANS PRICES.
IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THAT HAPPENS.
AND IN SOME OF THESE CASES THAT THESE THINGS BE DISCUSSED IN CLOSED SESSION BECAUSE IT REQUIRES ACQUIRING REAL PROPERTY WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING TO COME FROM, PAY FOR IT, ET CETERA.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAD, YOU HAD NOT HEARD ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAD BEEN DISCUSSED, AND THAT IS PRIMARILY THE REASON IF SOME OF THESE THINGS, SOME OF THESE IDEAS, SOME OF THESE APPROACHES FOR THE FUTURE AND WE'RE LOOKING LONG TERM, IT BECAME PUBLIC INFORMATION.
IT WOULD ALMOST MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE TO ACCOMPLISH THE PLANS BECAUSE OF THE WAY PEOPLE HAVE ST.
WELL, I'M GOING TO GET MAD BECAUSE I OWN THE PROPERTY THEY'RE INTERESTED IN.
IT MAY MAKE IT DIFFICULT WHEN WE START, UH, BUILDING
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A NEW POLICE DEPARTMENT OR FIRE PARK, BECAUSE THERE ARE A COUPLE OF PIECES OF PROPERTY THAT ARE IN THE RIGHT LOCATION, ON THE RIGHT SIZE AND ARE OUTRAGEOUSLY PRICED BECAUSE THE PEOPLE KNOW WE'RE INTERESTED IN THEM.THE SECRECY ELEMENT IS, AND NOT TO KEEP INFORMATION FROM THE PUBLIC.
THEY CONFIDENTIALITY OF SOME OF THESE DISCUSSIONS IS BASED ON THE FACT THAT THERE'S PROPERTY TO BE ACQUIRE.
AND THAT IS ALLOWED FOR THE MOST PART NUMBER, THE OPEN MEETINGS LAW.
AND THAT IS THE REASON FOR IT IS BECAUSE THE MONEY WE USE IN CHANGING THE WAY WE HANDLE THESE SITUATIONS WITH WATER TO INVOLVE, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DIRECTLY INVOLVE YOUR MONEY.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE, BUT ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OR ALL USE THE WATER, IT DOES COME OUT OF THEIR POCKET.
THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE A DIME.
THE CITY HAS NO MONEY WHEN WE NEED MONEY.
WE TAKE IT OUT OF YOUR POCKET AND WE'RE MIGHTY CAREFUL ABOUT HOW MUCH WE HAVE TO TAKE.
WE'RE WE'RE, WE'RE REAL CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
THERE'S A REAL CONCERN ON THIS BOARD IS THERE HAS BEEN IN THE PAST ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY WE TAKE FROM PEOPLE THROUGH TAXES TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES WHICH THEY MAKE NECESSARY IS IF THAT SITUATION, BUT THAT IS BASICALLY WHY WE DO NOT OPENLY FREQUENTLY TALK ABOUT THESE THINGS IS BECAUSE THE PRICE SKYROCKETS, WHEN THE ACQUISITION OF LAND COMES INTO DISCUSSION.
AND I JUST HOPE PEOPLE OUT THERE HAVE FAITH IN THE PEOPLE UP HERE BECAUSE WE'RE YOUR NEIGHBORS.
AND WE WANT THE SAME THINGS YOU DO.
WE WANT A CLEAN RIVER AND WE WON'T CLEAN AND SAFE DRINKING WATER.
THIS MONEY ALONG, WE'LL PAY FOR THE EXTRA STORAGE.
RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE ONE LINE THAT GOES TO OUR WEALTH FIELD.
ONE LINE, IF SOMETHING HAPPENS AND THAT LINE BREAKS, WE HAVE, HOW LONG THE WATER SUPPLY NOW, SIX HOURS, SIX HOURS.
AND THEN WE'RE DRIVING THIS NEW TANK.
WE'LL ADD ABOUT 24, WE'LL HAVE 24 HOURS TO REPAIR THAT LATCH.
THESE THINGS ARE VERY CAREFULLY PLANNED.
THEY DON'T JUST HAPPEN, BUT BE ASSURED REST ASSURED THAT WE ARE WORKING AS HARD AS WE CAN PUT A SOLUTION TO POLLUTION PROBLEM CREATED BY THE EXISTING SEWAGE SYSTEM AND LOOKING FOR WHERE OUR DRINKING WATER WILL BE COMING FROM IN THE FUTURE.
BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THERE IS NOT AN UNLIMITED SUPPLY IN THAT APPLE.
AND AT SOME POINT IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
I DON'T KNOW, I GUESS I'M FEELING MELANCHOLY OR SOMETHING TODAY, BUT I WANTED TO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW YOU ARE WORKING AT THE PROBLEM, BUT IN MANY CASES, PEOPLE JUST AREN'T AWARE OF WHAT'S WHAT WE ARE DOING FOR BOTH REASONS.
AND ALSO, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE THING THAT HAS TO BE REALLY TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION IS IT, THERE'S NO REASON OR MOTIVE THAN ANY OF US ON THE BOARD WOULD HAVE FOR WANTING TO POLLUTE THE RIVER.
I MEAN, SOMEBODY WAS LIVING ON THE RIVER, BORN HERE.
WE INTEND TO SPEND OUR DAYS HERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, WE DON'T MIND.
I DON'T MIND ANYBODY LOOKING AT ANYTHING WE DO.
AND IF THEY SAY ANYTHING THAT THEY THINK IS WRONG, SPEAK UP AND I CAN ASSURE YOU UNLESS AS A MATTER OF THE GOVERNMENT, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT NEW WHEN SOMETIMES I WONDER, BUT, UH, THERE'S NOT ANYBODY TRYING TO DO ANYTHING.
THAT'S GOING TO HURT THE REBEL IN TANGENT.
SO, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING TRUST US, AND DON'T HAVE A LOOK I'M SAYING DOULA, BUT THE THING IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, AS LONG AS WE UNDERSTAND THAT SOMETIMES IN THE SENSE OF PRACTICALITY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GOT TO PUT SOME THINGS SOMEWHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T JUST SHOOT IT UP IN THE AIR AND SHOOT IT TO THE MOON.
SO WE'RE DOING THE BEST WE CAN.
WELL, I'M REASSURED TO HEAR THAT, THAT YOU'RE PLANNING AND I MIGHT, AS A PUBLIC EDUCATION IS A BIG PART OF OUR MISSION.
YOU KNOW, AS YOU SAID, PEOPLE MAY NOT CONTENTION TO DO SOMETHING UNINTENTIONALLY THAT COULD CAUSE HARM TO THE RIVER.
AND THAT'S THE OTHER THING IS TO BE AS HELPFUL AS POSSIBLE.
AND WE CERTAINLY COULD DO THAT EVEN WITHIN THE PLANNING PROCESS AS, UH, ON BASIS AND WITH CONFIDENTIALITY BECAUSE OFTEN THE SERVICES, WELL, IT'S JUST, IT'S DISAPPOINTING TO ME SOMETIMES WHEN I REALIZE THAT 12 MILLION GALLONS IS SPEAKING TO COME AT ME, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM UP NORTH ON THE NEWS.
AND, UH, THEN THE PERIOD, WE HAD VERY MUCH VOICING IF I COULD MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT, UH, WITH REGARDS TO THE, THE RIVER AND THE SEWER, WHEN THE CITY WENT UNDER A SPECIAL ORDER OF CONSENT IN 1988, UH, SEVEN, AND I HAD TO START DESIGNING
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THE, UH, EXPANSION OF THE WASTE TREATMENT PLANT DOWN THERE.AND WE ULTIMATELY WOUND UP UNDER A JUDICIAL ORDER, UH, FORCING US TO MAKE CERTAIN THINGS BECAUSE THE PLANT WAS NOT OPERATING.
IT WAS OPERATING AT THE CAPACITY AT HAND.
UH, EVEN THOUGH OUR ALLOCATION WAS 4 MILLION GALLONS A DAY AT THAT TIME, THE PLANT WAS FOUND TO ONLY BE ABLE TO TREAT 2.3, 5 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.
AND SO THE STATE AND WE WERE ALREADY AT THAT.
SO THE STATE SAID TO US, WE NEEDED TO EXPAND AT LEAST DOUBLE.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE THE 4.7 MILLION GALLONS CAME FROM FROM WHAT IT WAS.
BUT THE ORIGINAL PLANS THAT THE CITY HAD TO CONSTRUCT A WASTE TREATMENT PLANT DOWN THERE WAS FOR, UH, WHAT'S CALLED A SEQUENCING BATTERY ACTOR AND A STACK TOWER.
AND THAT WAS TO REMOVE PHOSPHORUS AND TO REMOVE NITROGEN FROM THE AFFLUENT AND TO TREAT THE BOD DOWN TO FIVE OR LESS.
UH, WE SUBMITTED THAT PLAN TO THE STATE TO DO JUST THAT THE STATE THROUGH OUR PLAN, BACK TO US AND SAID THEY WOULD NOT FUND ANYTHING THAT STRIPPED BECAUSE ALL WE NEEDED WAS A SECONDARY TREATMENT FACILITY DOWN THERE.
AND SO, UH, UH, AT THAT POINT IN TIME, WE WENT BACK AND REDESIGNED JUST AN, A, UH, UPGRADE OR AN EXPANSION TO THE EXISTING PLAN.
BUT OUR ORIGINAL, UH, TRI WAS TO TREAT A FLUENT DOWN BELOW FIVE VOD.
AND IT WAS ALSO TO TREAT A FLUENT FOR PHOSPHOROUS AND FOR NITROGEN PRIOR TO THE TIME THAT THE RIVER WAS EVEN DECLARED NUTRIENT SENSITIVE, WE TALKED WITH THEM ABOUT THE NITROGEN REMOVAL AND THEY LAUGHED AT US AT THE STATE AND TOLD US THAT THE RIVER WOULD NEVER NEED NITROGEN LIMITS, NEVER, AND THAT WE SHOULDN'T WORRY ABOUT IT.
AND SO, UH, THAT'S WHY THE PLANT WAS DESIGNED AS IT WAS THE APP.
AT THE TIME THE PLANT WAS JUST BEING COMPLETED.
THE RIVER WAS DECLARED NUTRIENT SENSITIVE AND THEN STATE OF COURSE HAD A LOT OF WORDS.
BUT AT THAT POINT IN TIME, WE HAD ALREADY SPENT CLOSE TO $8 MILLION DOWN THERE ON THAT PLANT.
AND, UH, THERE WAS REALLY NO TURNING BACK FROM WHERE IT IS AT THE PRESENT TIME, BUT OUR INITIAL THING, THE DESIRE OF THE BOARD AND THE DESIRE OF THE CITY STAFF AT THAT TIME IN 1987, WAS TO REMOVE PHOSPHORUS AND NITROGEN FROM EVERYTHING THAT WENT OUT INTO THE RIVER FROM THE CITY.
WE WERE TURNED DOWN BY THE STATE ON THAT WE WERE DENIED BEING ABLE TO DO THAT THE STATE, AND BASICALLY IT'S THE STATE THAT TOLD CARRIE I CAN HAVE 12 DAY AND IT'S WITH THE STATE ADMINISTRATIVE APPEAL.
AND THE APPEAL IS AGAINST THE STATE, AND THOSE ARE OUR TAX DOLLARS, YOUR TAX DOLLARS, MY TAX DOLLARS.
AND I URGE YOU ALL TO SPEAK UP.
WELL, I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT IF THE STATE HAD APPROVED OUR PLANS, WE WOULD NOT HAVE NITROGEN AT ALL, GOING INTO THE RIVER, OR MAYBE TWO, WE MIGHT HAVE TWO MILLIGRAMS PER LITER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OF NITROGEN ON A LIMIT.
AND WE WOULD ALSO NOT HAVE A BOD OF, UH, WHAT OUR PRESENT VOD IS, IS ABOUT 18 OF A 30 LIMIT, BUT WE WOULD ONLY HAVE VOD OF MAYBE TWO, BUT, UH, WE WERE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
WE WEREN'T ALLOWED BY THE STATE TO GET FUNDING TO DO THAT.
AND SO THAT'S THE REASON THAT IT IS THAT WAY TODAY.
NOT BECAUSE OF ANYTHING WE'VE DONE, BUT BECAUSE OF WHAT THE STATE FORESTERS.
I'M GOING TO ASK YOU A QUESTION.
WHAT, WHAT WOULD IT COST YOU TO REDESIGN OUR PLANTS SO WE CAN TAKE THE NITROGEN OUT? I'M SURE THAT'S WELL, WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY DECLARED IT NUTRIENT SENSITIVE, WE LOOK AT THE POSSIBILITY THEN OF GOING TO A TERTIARY TREATMENT SYSTEM, UH, FROM WHAT WE HAD.
AND THE ESTIMATE AT THAT TIME WAS AN ADDITIONAL $6 MILLION.
AND AT THAT TIME WE HAD JUST SPENT 8 MILLION.
OF COURSE, EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT OUR SEWER RATES ARE TODAY.
SO THE POINT THAT I'M DRIVING AT IS SINCE THE REDUCTION OF NITROGEN WOULD BENEFIT ALL OF US ON THE RIVER, THEN I CAN'T REALLY, I HAVE TO DO SOME TALL THINKING ABOUT WHY THE CITIZENS OF NEIGHBORING OFFICE HAVE TO COME UP AT $6 MILLION OR WHATEVER IT IS TO GET IT OUT.
IF WE COULD SPRAY THAT AROUND A LITTLE BIT, WITH SOME OF THESE TAXES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ON OTHERS, IT WOULD BENEFIT FROM IT.
THEN IT WOULD BE A FEASIBLE THING WHERE IT'S ALMOST AN IMPOSSIBILITY FOR THE CITY TO DO IT.
IF YOU COULD CREATE A DISTRICT WIDER THAN JUST THE CITY TOGETHER.
WELL, I'M JUST SAYING THAT IF WE'RE ALL GOING TO BENEFIT FROM IT, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S TOO SMALL TO DO IT.
AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, I THINK THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE, YOU KNOW, A LOT LOOKED AT IN THE SENSE OF COOPERATION AND COORDINATION WITH ALL THE WAY.
AND I DON'T KNOW, I COULDN'T CANCEL THE GARMENTS IN HERE TALKING ABOUT COORDINATION AND EVERYTHING.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S AN ALTERNATIVE THAT COULD BE UTILIZED OR NOT, BUT
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THERE ARE SOME STUDIES ON ALSO, I DO THINK THAT THE TIME HAS COME TO REALLY LOOK SERIOUSLY AT AS COMMONWEALTH.AND WHEN IT DOES, I HOPE THAT EVERYBODY CARES ABOUT THE RIVER AS WILLING TO STEP UP TO THE PLATE.
AND THEN WE CAN, WE CAN SPREAD THAT COST AROUND.
IT MIGHT BECOME SOME SORT OF A POSSIBILITY INSTEAD OF A REAL TOUGH PROBLEM.
WELL, IT'S, AS YOU SAID, IT'S EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY, I LOVE THE THINGS KEEP IN MIND.
BILL HAS NOW INTRODUCED THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, WHICH WOULD TAKE AWAY ANY EFFECT, THE RIGHTS OF CITIES TO DO PLANNING AND ZONING, THAT SORT OF THING.
WITHOUT MASSIVE PAYMENTS TO THE PEOPLE.
IF, IF WE DEPRIVE THEM OF THE ABILITY TO USE THEIR LAND, IT'S VERY, VERY COMPLICATED.
BUT ALL OF THESE THINGS, WHEN YOU DROP THE PEBBLES LIKE THAT INTO THE WATER THEY SPREAD.
AND IN THIS CASE, IF IT WERE NECESSARY FOR A LAND APPLICATION FOR THE CITY THAT EVER USED THE POWER OF EMINENT DOMAIN IN THE PURCHASE OF PROPERTY, PASSAGE OF THE LAW, LIKE THAT WOULD MAKE THE PROPERTY SO PROHIBITIVELY EXPENSIVE.
SO THAT LAW EVEN HAS AN IMPACT OF WHAT THE CITY MIGHT BE DOING IN THE FUTURE WITH LAND APPLICATION, BUT UNDER PRESENT LAW, DOESN'T THE GOVERNMENT PAY A PERSON FOR TAKING THE PROPERTY, THE LAND, BUT THE NEW LAW, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
Y AND THE GOVERNMENTS TO PAY THEM, UH, ANY PERCEIVE ANY PERCEIVED VALUE, BUT THEY WOULD BE LOSING.
AND THEY COULD COME IN AND SAY, WELL, I HAD PLANNED TO BUILD THIS BRICK, BIG HOUSING DEVELOPMENT HERE.
SO YOU WILL BE THAT MUCH MONEY.
BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THE LAW AS PROPOSED IS GOOD POLITICS AND BAD POLICY POGO POSSUM.
MY FAVORITE COMIC STRIP CHARACTER MANY YEARS AGO SAID, I SAID IT TRUE.
WHEN HE SAID, WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY AND HE IS US.
HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET? BUT IT'S STILL CONSTITUTIONALLY.
IF YOU TAKE SOME MAN'S PROPERTY, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO PAY YOU.
AND THAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING WITHOUT THE PAYMENTS.
SO I THINK THAT WAS THE INTENT OF THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF LEGISLATION WAS TO MEET CLOSER.
AND THEY LOOK FOR WHAT I HAD UNDERSTOOD IS THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE LAND THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN FIND OUT HALF OF THEM IS WORTHLESS THAT THEY'VE HAD FOR YEARS AND THEY DON'T GET ANYTHING FOR IT.
ANYWAY, THAT WASN'T PART OF THIS AGENTS.
IF YOU'RE DONE THE NEXT TIME, YOU MIGHT WANT TO SEND THE VICE PRESIDENT.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE I FEEL THAT THE RIVER, BUT YOUR ACTIONS, ELI, YOUR WORDS HERE, YOU ARE SPEWING
SO, SO NOW, SIR, WHAT DO YOU PROVIDE A SERVICE TO A GROUP OF CITIZENS? I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE IF, UH, A NEW DEVELOPMENT CAME IN TOWN, GORBY PARK EXPANDED, OR FOREST PARK EXPANDED, OR DOMINANCE STAYS EXPANDED.
UH
THE CITY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO CHANGE IT.
WELL, WHAT ARE YOU, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THOSE PEOPLE SHOULDN'T
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BE ALLOWED TO HAVE A HOUSES OVER THERE? I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.THE STATE HAS GIVEN US EXTRA CAPACITY.
NOW THEY'RE SAYING YOU HAVE THIS EXTRA HUNDREDS, THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO ARE WORKING TO KEEP THAT RIVER CLEAN.
YOUR ACTION AND WEYERHAEUSER IS TOTALLY CONTRADICTORY TO WHAT PEOPLE THAT YOU SUPPOSEDLY REPRESENT.
ONE QUIET, DO YOUR BEST AS A PERSON, QUIT DO YOUR TOILETS FLUSH.
AND THE REASON I'M ASKING IS BECAUSE I WAS SUPPOSED TO SAY, WE'D LIKE TO LIVE HERE AND THERE'S, DON'T APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT WE WILL HOOK THEM UP TO OUR SEWER AND STILL BE AT, UH, AT A, GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF CAPACITY TO STAY.
IT ALLOWS US TO HAVE LEFTOVER.
I MEAN, IT'D BE DIFFICULT FOR US TO EXPLAIN TO SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO LIVE HERE.
YES, WE HAVE WHAT, 1.9 MILLION GALLONS OF CAPACITY LEFT IN OUR SEWER PLANT AT THE CITIZENS OF NEWBURN THEY BOUGHT AND PAID FOR.
I GUESS MY JOB AND THESE FOLKS SAY, WE LIKE TO LIVE HERE AND YOU CAN LEGALLY HOOK US UP TO IT AND IT'S NOT GOING TO KILL THE RIVER.
AND WE'RE GOING TO TELL THEM NO.
COULD YOU TELL ME HOW MANY HERE FOR THAT? YOU'LL HAVE TO ANSWER THAT.
WELL, I THINK OUR PERMIT IS RENEWED IN 99.
WHEN THAT HAPPENS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A NEW CLINIC.
THAT'S GOING TO BE, WELL, SHE JUST SAID, HE JUST SAID TO RENEW THE PERMIT, NOT TO BE, WE DON'T HAVE, IT WILL NEVER BE RENEWED WITH THE PLAN.
WEYERHAEUSER TO SHARE OF THE BIRD TO WORK TOGETHER.
THERE IS GOING TO BE NO SOLUTION HIGHER AND HIGHER.
MY ELECTRICITY HERE IS WHAT MY TAXES YOU ARE MAKING.
WELL, LET ME LET, LET ME SAY THAT.
IT'S DIFFICULT FOR ME TO, TO EXPLAIN TO FOLKS WHY CARRIE JUST ADDED ON 12 MILLION GALLONS A DAY BIG TO ALLOW THEM TO GROW.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD, NOT TO, NOT TO TAKE EXISTING NEED, BUT TO ALLOW THEM TO GROW, CALL IT ANNEX IN A WAREHOUSE, OR IF YOU WISH.
AND YET WITH 1.9 MILLIONS OF GALLONS LEFT AND WE LIVE ON THE RIVER AND THE ECONOMY OF SCALE IS SUCH THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE UNDER UTILIZING THE PLANT, IT COSTS MORE TO RUN.
AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EVERYTHING GOING OUT.
WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SOME THINGS COME DOWN.
AND, UH, IT GIVES THE IMPORTANT THING.
I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HAD TO BE ONE OR THE OTHER.
SO FROM THIS LAND GUYS IN FIVE YEARS, THAT DEVELOPMENT WON'T EVEN BE FULLY DEVELOPED OUT AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
AND YOU'RE SAYING YOURSELF THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO IMPROVE OUR LIMITS THEN.
SO EVERYBODY'S IS GOING TO BE CLEANED AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
ISN'T IT? YOU TOLD ME THAT THE, HIM HAD SAID THAT THAT'S THE LAST TIME WE WERE GOING TO GET IT.
SO WE WILL HAVE TO CHANGE OUR LIMITS AT THAT 0.1.
I DON'T KNOW ANY OTHER WAY, EXPLAIN, UH, COMMUNICATION IS GIVEN TO THE CITY FOR YOU AND IS THE YES, WE AGREE.
WE WANT TO GROW
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I SAID EARLIER TONIGHT THAT ONE OF THE THINGS I HAD TO LEARN ABOUT AS JOB AS YOU CAN'T MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY, WENT TO A BIG GENTLEMAN THROUGH A LOT OF HOOPS.ONE MIGHT SAY, SO PEOPLE IN TOWNSHIPS SEVEN COULD NOT BE FORCIBLY ANNEXED.
ONLY PEOPLE WHO ASKED TO COME IN WOULD BE CONSIDERED.
AND IT STILL I'LL JUST STAND BY MY, MY FAREHAM, YOU KNOW, OR WHATEVER I'VE LEARNED IN THIS JOB.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE THEM ALL HAPPY.
YOU CAN PUT THAT ON MY TOMBSTONE.
SO ANYWAY, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, IT'S NOT GOING TO COST ANYTHING BECAUSE WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, HIS WAREHOUSE IS GOING TO PAY FOR IT, THE PIPING AND SO FORTH.
AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO PAY THEM BACK OVER TIME WITH TAP FEES.
WHEN PEOPLE TAP ONTO IT, INTEREST FREE.
SO THEY GET SEWER AND WE GET THE LINE AND SO FORTH.
ALL I PAY FOR THIS PRIVILEGE FIVE YEARS AGO, OR SIX YEARS AGO, I'M STILL NOT GETTING THE VISION IS THIS WILL BE GLAD TO ANNEX.
WELL, WHAT'D, YOU DON'T GET, WE'LL GIVE IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE.
THAT'S ALL IT IS BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO USE IT.
IT IS A RESPONSIBLE BECAUSE WE HAVE, WE HAVE A DEBT SERVICE THAT HAS TO BE PAID BACK.
AND THAT MEANS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, UH, TRY TO, UH, MAKE OUR PLANT MAXIMIZE THE USE OF WILD SEWER CAPACITY.
BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T GET IT, THEN IF WE DEVELOP ANOTHER AREA IN THE CITY, THEY'LL GET IT.
WE ALL KNOW WE'RE NOT CHOOSING TO KILL THE RIVER.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO KILL HER FOREVER.
AND WE STILL WON'T BE BIGGEST.
KAREN, ANY OTHER FINDING ABOUT, ABOUT THE HERE? IT WILL NOT BE ALONE THAT CAUSE I ONLY HAVE A FEW TIMES.
I APPRECIATE THE TIME OF THE MIRROR.
I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF TIME.
I WOULD LIKE YOU TO KNOW WHEN PEOPLE WRITE TO ME OR WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY WRITE TO ME, THEY USE A NEW ROOM DRESSING.
UM, I LIKED DOWN HERE AND I THINK THE RIVER LIKES TO TOWN.
WE WERE IN FRONT OF THE SENSE THAT SHE'S A VERY GOOD FOR ON THE WARD.
AND YOU KNOW, YOUR EARLIER COMMENTS ABOUT YOU'VE GOT THIS TO DO AND THAT TO DO A DEBT SERVICE AND ALL THOSE THINGS IS NEEDING TOWNS, NITA PLACES, TOWNSHIP SERVICES, YOU HAVE LOCKED.
AND FOR THAT MATTER, EVEN CARRIE, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE RIVER GETS SOMETHING IN HER, SHE DOESN'T KNOW HOW NEAT NEWBURN IS.
ALL SHE KNOWS IS THAT FROM A PARTICULAR LOCATION, SHE'S GETTING SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY HURTING.
I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS MR. MARIN, YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT CARROT, BECAUSE I THINK THEY'RE VERY RELEVANT.
AND I'D LIKE TO TELL YOU, THERE ARE SOME VERY POSITIVE THINGS GOING ON UP HERE, CARRIE, THIS BUILDING ONE OF THE BEST TREATMENT PLAN ON RIVER.
NOW, EVEN WITH THAT BEST TREATMENT PLAN WITH THE AMOUNT OF GALLONS INCREASED THAT STAYS GIVEN TO CARRIER THAT WE HAD ABOUT 61,000 POUNDS OF ADDITIONAL NITROGEN TO LITTLE GRAVITY CREEK, AS IT COMES INTO THE NEWS DRIVEN DOWNSTREAM STATE GAMING TO TELL US HOW MUCH OF THAT WOULD MAKE IT DOWN.
I'M NOT SURE THEY EVEN WANT TO KNOW.
I THINK WE KNOW BECAUSE WE'VE LOOKED AT THE DATA, BUT I DON'T WANT TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT HER, EXCEPT WITH CARRIE YESTERDAY, THREE OF US WENT TO CARRIE AND WE SAT IN ON A MEETING WITH THE CARYTOWN OFFICIALS AND THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTING FIRM.
AND I AM ENCOURAGED THAT THEY ARE PROBABLY AHEAD OF THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING DOWN HERE TO GET WATER REUSE AND RECYCLING PAST THE TALKING STAGE INTO IMPLEMENTATION.
THEY HAD DON SACRED THERE YESTERDAY IN THE DEPARTMENT, ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGEMENT, AND PINNED HIM DOWN AS TO WHEN ARE THE RULES AND THE REGULATIONS GOING TO CHANGE SO THAT WE CAN START DOING THINGS LIKE WASHING OUR CITY STREETS, PUTTING THE STUFF OUT TO THE AIRPORT, TO WASH AIRPLANES AND RUNWAYS AND EVAPORATED, PUT IT ON PEOPLE'S LAWNS AND BACK TO THEIR HOUSES SO THAT AS WE BUILD
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NEW DEVELOPMENTS, WE CAN CONDUCT PIPES THAT WOULD BE PUSHED BACK AND STUFF.NOW THAT'S ALL TALK, WHETHER IT WILL EVER HAPPEN.
AND FOR THAT REASON, AS MARIANNE, THE PRESIDENT OF
ONE OF THE REASONS I'M HERE TO KEEPS SOME PRESSURE ON YOU.
AND I KNOW THAT WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU DO THINGS AS A BOARD, YOU GOT LOT OF THINGS TO LOOK AT TAXPAYERS, PEOPLE PAY MONEY, HOW MUCH MORE OF A PASSIVE COMMUNITY CARE.
A LOT OF THINGS, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT I'M GOING TO TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WAREHOUSES.
THIS IS NOT A GROUP OF CITIZENS THAT ASKED TO BE IN IT.
THIS IS A VERY LARGE COMPANY, WHICH HAS AS A LARGE ENTITY, A TREMENDOUS IMPACT ON COMMUNITY, MUCH OF WHICH IS EXTREMELY GOOD JOBS.
I MEAN, NOBODY WANTS TO SEE WEYERHAEUSER PULLED AWAY FOR THE GOOD THINGS THEY GIVE US.
BUT IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE MAC, NOT JUST THE VERY AREA FOR ALL THE PLACES THAT WEYERHAEUSER IS DEVELOPED, AND YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE MARSHLANDS AND THE WETLANDS AND THE SEPTIC TANKS THAT THEY'RE PUTTING IN A NUMBER OF PLACES.
AND YOU COMBINE THAT WITH THEIR, WITH THEIR PROGRAM, WHICH I UNDERSTAND THAT THE WATER THEY TAKE IN IS ALREADY GOT A LOT OF POLLUTION IN IT COMES IN, COMES TO THAT UPSTREAM.
BUT ERIC DATA INDICATES THAT IF THAT PIPELINE CAME OUT OF A RIVER, HEY, OF ALL THE BOD THAT'S DISCHARGED WITHIN THE RIVER WOULD BE A WOMAN.
IN OTHER WORDS, WAREHOUSE WAS ACCOUNTED FOR ABOUT IT.
AGAIN, ALLOWING FOR THE AMOUNT THAT'S COMING IN YOUR PIPE.
WHEN THEY TAKE IT IN THEIR PLANT, TREMENDOUS AMOUNTS OF NITROGEN PHOSPHORUS.
I'M NOT SUGGESTING IN ANY WAY AT ALL THE WEYERHAEUSER IN ANY WAY.
THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE VERY RESPONSIBLE.
THEY FOLLOW THE LAWS TO FOLLOW THE REGULATIONS JUST AS DOES THE CATCHER, BUT THERE IS MORE WEYERHAEUSER CAN DO IN TOWNSHIPS.
I, MY GUESS IS THAT WEYERHAEUSER PROBABLY IS WORKING ON DOING A LOT OF FRENCH, TRYING TO DO A LOT OF THINGS TO HELP OUT THE COMMUNITY.
I WISH THAT WE COULD KNOW ABOUT SOME OF THOSE THINGS SO THAT, SO THAT WE COULD HAVE A BETTER INSIGHT INTO JUST HOW GOOD THINGS CAN BE.
WE KNOW THAT CHAMPION PAPER, FOR EXAMPLE,
MAYBE WEYERHAEUSER JUST WON'T BE AS THINKING ALONG THE SAME LINES.
BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT I MET AT HER HOUSE.
I BASICALLY ASKED QUESTIONS AND THEY DO HAVE A BUNCH OF STUFF IN PLANTS, MARK AND LICENSE.
AND JOHN WAREHOUSE HAD TOLD ME ABOUT SOME OF THESE PLANS, BUT THE PLANS, ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO DO IS TO TRY AND CONVINCE WEYERHAEUSER, UM, TO GIVE ONLINE AND HELP US OUT.
ONE OF THE WAYS THEY CAN DO IT IS IN TOWNSHIP.
IN, IN, IN THE NEWLY ANNEXED AREA, ACROSS THE RIVER WAREHOUSE.
AS OF JUNE, THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IT OFF.
WE'RE SAYING WE'VE ALREADY GOT ALL COURSES LIKE FAIRFIELD HARBOR AND, UM, RIVERBEND AND OTHER GOLF COURSES, LOOKING AT TAKING SOME OF THAT WASTEWATER, WHICH IS GENERALLY FREE, BUT HIGH IN NUTRIENTS AND PUTTING IT BACK ON THE GOLF COURSE WHERE IT COULD GROW GRANTS, PUTTING IT INTO FOREST WHERE IT CAN GO TO GROW TREES.
THIS IS 300,000 GALLONS THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO COME TO NEW THINKING, STAY IMAGED.
YOU CAN GIVE THEM FRESH WATER, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS.
THERE ARE OTHER ALTERNATIVES, WHICH MEANS WE WROTE THESE WERE BROUGHT TO YOU BACK IN APRIL LAST YEAR.
AND WHEN YOU ANNEX, THEN THESE THINGS WERE LAYING ON THE LINE.
WHEN, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN THE TIME COMES, WHEN THE REMOVER UPGRADES PLAN, WHICH HAS COME EITHER, YOU'RE AT 3.1 MILLION GALLONS OF DISCHARGE, YOU CAN GO 4.7 IN ANOTHER 900,000 GALLONS, WHICH ISN'T THAT FAR OFF, YOU'RE GOING TO BE WITHIN 700,000 GADGET CAPACITY.
MEANING THAT THAT'S YOUR BUFFER.
NO PLAN EVER GETS TO CAPACITY WITHOUT LOOKING AT AN SOC OR SOMETHING.
BECAUSE ONCE YOU GET THAT HIGH, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO GO OVER.
THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE VIOLATIONS.
SO YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE AS MUCH CAPACITY
ONE IS A WHOLE BUNCH OF INNOVATIVE THINGS THAT NUCLEAR IS GOING TO HAVE TO DO ALREADY WORKING ON.
IS THERE A LOT OF CREDIT CAUSE YOUR REGIONAL ALREADY LOOKING AT A LOT OF STUFF, BUT IT'S GOING TO MAKE THOSE THINGS HAPPEN.
ON THE OTHER SIDE, THERE'S PROBABLY
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GOING TO BE ONE HORRENDOUS BILL.THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY INSTEAD OF SPENDING $500,000 WITH 300,000 GALLONS A DAY TO TAKE THAT $500,000 OR WHATEVER IT IS, I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID TO TAKE THAT ONE AND TO IMPROVE YOUR PLAN, TO FIND ANOTHER WAY TO GET THROUGH THERE'S 300,000 GALLONS.
THAT'S A DOUBLE EDGED SWORD BECAUSE IT MEANS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE CAPACITY FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
EXCEPT THE ONE THING WHEN 1997 COMES AROUND, WHETHER YOU HAVE REACHED YOUR CAPACITY IN YOUR MIND, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO UPGRADE YOUR TIME TO MEET THE STANDARDS THAT APPLY IN THIS AREA.
AND ALL I WOULD SAY IS, LOOK, LOOK TO THE KIND OF STANDARDS HAVE BEEN SET UP THEN BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE SAME ONES I DID COME HERE TONIGHT.
NOT BECAUSE I THINK YOU ALL ARE WORKING HARD TO TAKE CARE OF RIVER.
UM, SOMETIMES IT'S EASY TO LOSE SIGHT THOUGH.
SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU COULDN'T BE DOING IN DIFFERENT WAYS, I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT, THAT WE BRING WEYERHAEUSER AND BRINGING THIS DEVELOPMENT INTO A NEW, INNOVATIVE WAY OF HANDLING TUITION.
THERE ISN'T ANYWHERE IN THE NUCLEAR WATERSHED ANYWHERE WHICH COULD PROPERLY WRITE THE TITLE OF AN ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY OR ENVIRONMENTALLY SOUND.
MY GUESS IS THE FIRST COMMUNITY, WHETHER IT BE WAREHOUSE OR SOMEBODY ELSE WHO DEVELOPS AND DOES IT IN A WAY THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THEIR PROBLEMS ON THE OTHER SIDE, DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT THAT I HAVE A MILLION OR $500,000 THAT WE PROVIDE THE PIPE AND SO FORTH SO THAT THEY WOULD HAVE A SILVER SYSTEM? WOULD I ACTUALLY BUY AN ALTERNATIVE SYSTEM? NO, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO BE A DROP IN THE BUCKET.
IT'S NOT A CHOICE OF US SAYING, WELL ONLY THE 500,000 WE'LL BUILD THEM A PIPELINE AND SOLVE A SEWER PROBLEM OR 500,000.
WE'LL GIVE THEM A NICE ENVIRONMENTALLY HAPPY THING.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S LIKE MUCH MORE OF THAT ON, ON THE ONE SCALE AND NO SEWER, A SELF-IMPOSED MORATORIUM, IF YOU WON'T.
AND I HAVEN'T SEEN TOO MANY OF THOSE LATELY, EVERY TIME I'VE HEARD OF A MORATORIUM, SOME GOVERNMENTAL AGENCY HAD TO COME AND PUT IT ON SOMEBODY.
AND AGAIN, IF, IF I THOUGHT PERSONALLY THAT PUTTING THEM ON WAS GOING TO HARM THE RIVER TO ANY DETECTABLE DEGREE, I'D BE AGAINST IT.
BUT I DON'T SEE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE TO GO BY THAT, THE ALLOWABLE CAPACITY THAT THE STATE GIVES US AND ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PAYING THESE PEOPLE FOR TO TELL US IF WE'RE OUT OF LINE OR IT'S TOO MUCH, AND WE SHOULDN'T DO IT THAT WAY WITHIN ALL OF THAT.
SO WE WERE REALLY AT THE CHOICE AND I'M ALL FOR THESE ALTERNATIVE SOURCES.
IN FACT, UH, SOMEBODY KIND OF HIT IT ON THE HEAD A LITTLE BIT THAT IF WE HAVE TO REDO THE PLANT, UH, UP UP THE ROAD IN A FEW YEARS, THE ONLY WAY IT WILL BE POSSIBLE FOR US TO REDO IT IS BY HAVING A LOT OF PEOPLE TO SPREAD THAT COST AMONG.
SO WHEN YOU ADD THAT TO THE FACT OF THE NEW FOLKS FROM THE WAREHOUSE ANNEXATION, AND THE FACT THAT FOR $500,000, THEY'RE ABLE TO FLUSH THE TOILET, SO TO SPEAK.
AND THEN IN A FEW YEARS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO IMPROVE THE PLANT ANYWAY.
AND THE BEST THING WE COULD DO IT SEEMS TO ME IS TO SPREAD THAT COST OUT OF THEM AMONG AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE CAN.
YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE I WAS TELLING THE GUY THE OTHER DAY, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY TOLD ME IT TAKE $5 MILLION TO BUILD A LITTLE BRIDGE AND WHATEVER I'D SAY, WELL, THAT'S PRETTY STEEP, BUT IF I COULD GET 500, I MEAN, 5 MILLION PEOPLE EACH BRING A DOLLAR, THEY WOULDN'T EVEN MISS IT.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE CAN DO WONDROUS THINGS.
AND THAT'S SORT OF THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE HERE.
WE'D ALL LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, NOT PUT ANY OF IT ALL IN THE RIVER, BUT WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO FLUSH THE COMMODES AND DO ANYTHING ELSE.
DOES THAT MEAN THE, THIS, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE CAPACITY THAT WE JUST FINALLY FORGET IT? NO, HE KNOWS.
AND DID YOU EVER SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE AND PROBABLY BEFORE I CAME HERE AND HE AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS THING MANY TIMES, AND THAT IS THE LONG, IT HAS TO BE A LONG RANGE AS OPPOSED TO 24 MONTHS SOLUTION.
BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO GET OUT OF IT, DUMPING IT INTO THE RIVER.
I MEAN, HE'S DONE STUDIES ON SPRAYING IT AND EVERYTHING ELSE, AND THAT'S NO PROBLEM THERE EXCEPT SOME DECENT OBSTACLES WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO OVERCOME TO GET THERE.
THERE IS ONE KING MR. MAYOR, AND THAT IS THAT WAREHOUSE OWNS A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY OVER IN THE AREA.
IN QUESTION, IT IS REALLY A PRETTY PIECE OF PROPERTY.
IT IS GOING TO BE ABOUT IT'S A LONG, I MEAN, IT SAYS ALONGSIDE A LOT OF BOAT, PRETTY PROPERTY WHERE TOO IT'S GOING TO GET BUILT.
THE KEY HERE IS THAT WAREHOUSE, I BELIEVE COULD DEVELOP THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY WITHOUT SENDING THIS 300,000 GALLONS
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ACROSS THE, WHAT DOES WAREHOUSES SAY TO YOU WHEN YOU DISCUSSED THAT? WELL, IF YOU READ THE LETTER THAT I SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD TONIGHT, UH, GENUINE, I THINK THAT IT'S TALKED ABOUT BETTER IN THERE.I'D RATHER SEE IT IN THE LETTER, DOC COMMENT.
I HAVEN'T DRESSED, I JUST HANDED IT INTO THE RECORDER.
UM, I HAD SPOKEN WITH THEM PERSONALLY ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WEYERHAEUSER'S COMPANY HAD MADE THEIR CORPORATION THINK, THINKING OF SHAREHOLDERS, THEY GOT A BOTTOM LINE, THEY GOT TO PRODUCE BEST CORPORATION.
I DON'T SEE WAREHOUSE WAREHOUSE OR SOMETHING GOOD, BUT I DON'T WANT TO SEE WAREHOUSE OR DO SOMETHING EXTRA GOOD OVER THERE.
AND THAT TOWNSHIP THINKS THEY HAVE THE ABILITY.
AND I THINK THEY CAN DO IT AS CORPORATION, WITHOUT JEOPARDIZING THEIR BOTTOM LINE.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE KIND OF PITCH I MADE THAT DAY.
BUT ONE THING SAID WHEN HE SUGGESTED THAT THEY SAY THE ANSWER IS IN HERE, THEY ANSWER THE PHRASES OR PHRASES THAT THEY HAVE NOT.
I HAVE RAISED THIS ISSUE I HAVE FOR RESPONSE.
I SENT, I WROTE TO MR. CRAVEN, THE PRESIDENT OF WAREHOUSE COMPANY IN SEATTLE.
I DID AN AD TECH, DIDN'T GET AN ANSWER.
I WAS WITH THE PUBLIC AFFAIRS FOLKS.
AND, AND THEN WITH, WITH, UH, WITH JOHN AND THEY ALL SAID, WE WILL RESPOND TO YOU AND I BELIEVE THEY WILL, BUT I GUESS THIS IS A TOUGH ISSUE FOR THEM.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THIS TO NAIL BECAUSE I REALLY THINK THEY'RE GOOD CITIZENS TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO TRY TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT ON THIS.
I JUST HAVEN'T GOT THE ANSWER.
I MEAN, I WISH I HAD THE ANSWER.
I GOT THE IRAQ AND IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THERE, AND I'M NOT SPEAKING TO THEM BECAUSE I WASN'T PRIVY TO THE CONVERSATION, ANYTHING ELSE, BUT I'M NOT PERSONALLY CONVINCED THAT IF, IF WE PUT ANOTHER 150,000 TO 200,000 GALLONS OF WATER, EVER SINCE THE STATE SAID, WE CAN DO 1.9 MORE THAN I HAD NO PROBLEM.
I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT WE WOULD BE DOING ANY DAMAGE TO THE RIVER.
NOBODY HAS BROUGHT ANYTHING TO ME, ALTHOUGH I HAD RATHER NOT PUT IT IN THERE.
I KNOW THAT JUST WATER ITSELF IS PURE DRINKING WATER.
AND YOU THROW IN MILLIONS OF GALLONS IN THERE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S FLOWING FASTER THAN NATURE, INTENDED IT TO AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOT A MATTER OF, OF, UH, OF THOSE PEOPLE NOT WANTING TO, OR US NOT WANTING TO, BUT IT'S THE PRACTICALITY OF IT.
I MEAN, I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ACCEPT DONATIONS FROM EVERYBODY WHO LIKES THE RIVER TO HELP US CHANGE OUR PLANT MAP.
YOU KNOW, AND ANYBODY WANTS TO BE THE FIRST ONE TO STEP FORWARD.
BUT IF IT'S OUT OF OUR RATES TO DO IT, WE JUST CAN'T, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T DO IT AT THIS PRESENT TIME.
WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO DO IT, BUT THAT'S NOT WHY WE'RE NOT DOING IT JUST BECAUSE, BUT NOT THE THING.
WE, WE DO HAVE SOME BREATHING ROOM BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO IT AT THIS TIME.
I, MR. WARD WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT, UH, WHEN YOU TELL HIM MR. BOARD ABOUT, I CAN MAKE ONE OBSERVATION, THAT'S DOVE.
THE CITY RECEIVED A PETITION FOR TAXATION WHILST THE CITY THREE NEXT YEAR.
AND THERE WAS A CONTRACTUAL ARRANGEMENT MADE WHEREBY THE CITY WOULD PROVIDE SERVICES TO HOUSE BECAUSE THE AREA WAS IN THE CITY.
THE CITY IS OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE SEWER SERVICE UNDER THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACT TO WAREHOUSE THAT 1000 ACRES.
THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT ADDRESSING MERELY A FINANCIAL ARRANGEMENT TO PROVIDE MORE WATER TO THE CITY AND HIS CUSTOMERS THAT JUST A LITTLE TANGENTIAL.
LEO'S SOME ENGINEERING INVOLVED THAT ADDRESSES THE QUESTION.
SO THE WIREHOUSE AND I'M SELLING TOWNSHIP, THIS HAS BEEN THE PEOPLE AND IT APPEARS THAT MOST OF THEM ARE FROM NUMBER.
SO THE TOWNSHIP WHO ARE AVAILING THEMSELVES, OR THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPEAR BEFORE TELEVISION TO TALK ABOUT SOA AND NUMBER SELF, WELL, THAT'S NOT WHY I'M HERE MR. BOARD.
I KNOW OBVIOUSLY YOU AND I SEE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE AND I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH BRINGING THEM CAUSE WE BOTH WANT THE SAME THING.
NOT CONVINCED
I SEE US TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY THAT THIS CAN GET DONE AND THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOULD BE DONE.
FOR AN EXAMPLE, IF YOU KNOW SOME BETTER EXAMPLES OF ALL CITY, CIVIL PLANTS OR WHATEVER, WHEN YOU RANDOMLY BRING THE INFORMATION AND WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO RUN FROM IT, WE'RE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN.
AND I THINK THE PEOPLE THERE KNOW ME PERSONALLY FOR HAVING, UH, DAVID MUSE GAVE US A STATE OF THE SEWER, UH, FUN TIME EVERY MONTH.
AND IT'S A SERIOUS BUSINESS WITH US THAT, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS MOSES WALKED AROUND FOR 40 YEARS AND FINALLY GOT HIM TO WHERE HE WAS GOING.
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AND, UH, HE NEVER GOT, I THINK HE GOT TO SEE THE PROMISED LAND, BUT HE DIDN'T GET IN IT, BUT IT TOOK 40 YEARS.AND, UH, I HOPE IT WON'T TAKE US 40 YEARS TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM, BUT WE AIN'T GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT OVERNIGHT.
I KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON IT, THAT I CAN PROMISE YOU.
I'VE HEARD WHERE GREENBRIER, GREENBRIER IS NOT WHERE THE GREEN BAR IS PROBABLY FIVE, 600 CITIZENS.
THIS DEVELOPMENT THERE IS, IT'S NOT WHERE IT'S A CITIZEN.
SOMEONE WHO'S GOING TO BUY A HOUSE.
I MEAN, THEY'RE GOING TO BUY A RAINWATER AND THEY'RE GOING TO BUY A NEW, UH, THE ONLY, THE ONLY POSSIBLE REAL PROBLEM THAT EVEN WHEN YOU COME BACK IS IF THERE WAS A WAY FOR ERUPTION AND SOMEHOW THE LINE BETWEEN HERE AND THERE COLLAPSED, THEN YOU GOT A PROBLEM.
NO REAL PROBLEM, BECAUSE IT CAN TAKE, UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE LOOK AT THIS BULWARK, THEY LIKE REAR VIEW.
YOU WERE ONLY SEVEN REPRESENTATIVES IN THE 17,020 2020 2008.
AND YOU KNOW, YOU TALKED ABOUT WAREHOUSE, TAXPAYER BOARD MEMBERS AND STOCKHOLDERS.
AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS BOARD IS, IS THE CHAIRMAN.
AND WE'RE ONLY HERE TO DO WHAT WE FEEL IS THE BEST 22,000 FEET AND WOULD MAKE, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'LL DO THE BEST WE CAN.
AND WE WOULD BE EXTREMELY REMISS, YOU KNOW, ENGAGING THE CITIZENS.
WE REPRESENT THE, WE DON'T TAKE EVERY OPPORTUNITY.
WE HAVE TO EXPAND THE CITY, PEACEFUL, UH, EXPANSION, SUCH AS WAREHOUSE.
UH, THE LAST TIME THIS BOARD ERIC WANTED TO DO IT ANYMORE.
I HAVE CERTAIN NORMS WAS FORCED TO ANNEX RENT LIMITS.
YOU THINK IT'S BAD TO BE IN AN AREA AND GET MANAGEMENT.
YOU WANT TO READ, TAKEN ONE OF THESE SEASONS, MAINTAIN WHAT IT IS NOT FUN, BUT IT WAS SOMETHING MAYBE THAT, THAT WE HAD FOR 22,000, PROBABLY 17,000.
AND WE DID CLOCK IT A LOT, BUT YOU KNOW, WE DON'T CARE FOR THE OLDER, THE CITY, THE CITY, AND YOU KNOW, IN THIS ANNEXATION THING, I DON'T HAVE TO DOG IN AND FIGHT.
YOU KNOW, AS I SAID BEFORE THAT THE NEUSE RIVER, THE NEUSE RIVER DOESN'T KNOW ABOUT ANNEXATION.
SHE HAS, AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO KNOW WHERE THEY CAME FROM PAM SHIP SEVEN.
AND THAT ANSWER CAME FROM EXPANSION.
AND WHAT SHOULD THEY ASK? ALL OF US TO DO IS TRY TO FIND A WAY.
AND AS LONG AS PEOPLE KEEP MOVING TO THIS AREA, WE HAVE, WE HAVE OBLIGATION TO AND TAKE CARE OF THIS MOUSE, FORGOTTEN FUNNY, ANYBODY ELSE? I THINK THERE'S A HANDBAG.