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          UH, HE SEES NOTHING HARM COMING TO THE RIVER FROM THE, UH, WAREHOUSE PROPERTY AND IN THE NEXT BREATH OR THE PRECEDING BREATH, HE SAID, I'D RATHER NOT DO IT. 
          I DON'T REMEMBER. 
          WE HAVE TO BACK THE TAPE UP ON THAT. 
          SO I SAY ALL THAT AGAIN. 
          YEAH. 
          THE CITY MANAGER, HIS NAME ESCAPES ME AT THE MOMENT HAS ANNOUNCED THAT THIS, THAT THE CITY OF BLOOMBERG IS TRYING TO GET OUT OF THE RIVER COMPLETELY. 
          WE WOULD LIKE TO GET OUT OF THE WHEREVER YET. 
          I THINK THAT SORT OF IMPLIES A GENERAL CONSENSUS THAT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY UP ON THE DAY IS, WOULD SAY THAT ANY DISCHARGE INTO THE RIVER OF EFFLUENT IS DOING THE RIVER ANY GOOD. 
          IT IS IN THE SAME WAY THAT IT'S HARD FOR ANY CIGARETTES. 
          I'M GOING TO SAY IT'S DOING ME GOOD. 
          IT'S DOING HARM TO THE RIVER. 
          I WAS ACTIVE IN THE TOWNSHIP SEVEN EFFORT TO INCORPORATE AND GOT INVOLVED WITH THE SEWER PROBLEM OVER THERE. 
          AND WHAT I DISCOVERED WAS THAT EVERYBODY THINKS THE TOWNSHIP SEVEN IS DOING A MARVELOUS JOB LAND APPLICATION, KEEP IT UP, FIND WAYS OF DOING IT. 
          EXPANSION CAPACITY, BUY MORE PROPERTY, IMPROVE YOUR DRAINAGE KITS. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          YOU'RE DOING A MARVELOUS JOB. 
          THE POINT I'D LIKE TO MAKE IS AS THE GENTLEMEN DOWN HERE SAID, YES, IT'S GOING TO BE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE MOVING INTO THAT COMMUNITY WHO ARE GOING TO CREATE THE SEWAGE SYSTEM. 
          WEYERHAEUSER IS GOING TO CREATE COMMUNITY. 
          THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IT IN THE HOUSES. 
          THEY GONNA PUT IN THE STRENGTHS. 
          THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IN THE SEWER LINES, THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IN THE GOLF COURSES TO MAKE IT AN ATTRACTIVE PLACE TO LIVE. 
          IT'S IN THE PLANNING STAGE. 
          NOW, IF WEYERHAEUSER HAS ANYTHING, MOST OF US KNOW IT HAS HUGE AMOUNTS OF PROPERTY. 
          IT'S GOING TO HAVE GOLF COURSES. 
          UM, THERE'S BEEN LOTS OF CONVERSATION ABOUT THE PRACTICALITY OF APPLYING SOME F1, THE GOLF COURSES. 
          AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SUGGEST TO THE BOARD, THEN YOU USE SOME OF YOUR POLITICAL SKILLS, WHICH BROUGHT YOU TO THOSE SEATS TO DISCUSS THIS VIGOROUSLY WITH WEYERHAEUSER, IT WOULD SAVE THEM THE COST OF RUNNING THE SEWER LINES OUT THERE. 
          IT WOULD CERTAINLY HELP THE RIVER AND THE MONEY THAT YOU'VE POTENTIALLY ALLOCATED OUT OF THIS BOND ISSUE FOR ENGINEERING STUDIES COULD BE APPLIED TO SOME OTHER USEFUL PURPOSE. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE A USEFUL EXERCISE TO TRY AND CONVINCE THE WAREHOUSE OF PEOPLE THAT THIS WOULD BE USEFUL TO THE COMMUNITY AND WOULD PROBABLY ENHANCE THE VALUE OF THEIR PROPERTY AND SAY, THIS IS A ENVIRONMENTALLY SOUND COMMUNITY WE'RE DOING AND NOT SHIP THAT STUFF ACROSS THE RIVER AND DUMP IT IN THERE. 
          I DON'T THINK ANY MEMBER OF THE BOARD, UM, CONSCIOUSLY, PUBLICLY STATE THAT THAT'S GOING TO HELP THE RIVER IN ANY WAY. 
          AND IT'S THE RIVER GENTLEMEN, WHICH IS YOUR GREATEST ASSET. 
          I MOVED HERE IN 1973 BECAUSE OF THE RIVERS AND PEOPLE COME THROUGH THE RIVERS AND THE RIVER BOAT AND THE RIVER PROPERTY VALUE HAS GONE UP A GREAT DEAL AS I CAN ATTEST TO LIVING ON THE TRENT. 
          AND IF ANY OF YOU CAN ATTEST TO WHO HAVE PROPERTY ON THE WATER, IT'S THE WATER THAT BRINGS PEOPLE HERE ALONG WITH TRIALED COWS. 
          OF COURSE WATER WAS POLLUTED. 
          I HAVE STUFF GROWING ON THE WATER. 
          NOW I DON'T GET CRABS. 
          I CAN'T WATCH A BOAT PEOPLE UP IN RIVER BEND. 
          YOU RUN THIS PROBLEMS. YOU ALL KNOW THAT THE WATER IS GETTING DIRTY OR DIRTY EARLIER. 
          IT'S PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING IT. 
          ANOTHER 300,000 GALLONS WILL NOT HELP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT, NEXT THANK YOU. 
          MY NAME IS NANCY HALAS AND WE HAVE 44 38 RIVER SHORE DRIVE. 
          I'M NOT A CITIZEN OF THE CITY OF NEWBURGH, BUT I DO PAY TAXES IN THE CITY OF NEWBURGH. 
          AND I PAID THREE MORTAR, SEWER BILLS EVERY MONTH. 
          AND SO I FEEL LIKE I NEED TO COME BEFORE YOU EVEN SPEAK AS A TAXPAYER, BUT THE CITY NUMEROUS. 
          AND I THINK, AND I'LL TRY TO BE BRIEF. 
          I DO WANT TO TELL YOU, AND I HOPE YOU'LL BE RELIEVED TO HEAR THAT I WILL NOT TALK ABOUT FOR STANDARDIZATION OR INCORPORATION. 
          I DO WANT TO TALK TO YOU THOUGH ABOUT MY CONCERN ABOUT THIS BOND, THAT THIS EXTRA WATER WILL BE NEEDED IN TOWNSHIP SEVEN FOR THE SATELLITE SESSION PROPERTY. 
          AND WHY IS IT NEEDED? WELL IT'S NEEDED BECAUSE SOME THINGS GOT THAT SEWERAGE BACK ACROSS THE BRIDGE. 
          THIS IS NOT EFFLUENT GOING 
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THROUGH CONSTANTLY LIKE IT IS IN THE PIPES AND TOWNSHIP SEVEN, GO TO OUR SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANT. 
          THIS IS SOLID WASTE. 
          AND SOMETHING'S GOT A CONFLICT OVER THE TRENDS TO TWIN SPAN BRIDGE TO YOUR COLLECTION SITE SO THAT WATER IS NEEDED BY THE SATELLITE ANNEXED AREA. 
          AND AS A TAXPAYER, A NEW BIRDER, I JUST FEEL LIKE I HAVE TO SPEAK UP ABOUT THEM. 
          AND THE POINT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IS THAT WHEN YOU ACCEPTED THE WAREHOUSE OR REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT PROPERTY, AS A SATELLITE ANNEXATION OF THE CITY OF NEWBURGH, YOU TOOK THEM OFF THE HOOK BECAUSE WITHIN WAREHOUSE, A REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT, THEY HAVE THOUSANDS OF ACRES AND TOWNSHIP SEVEN. 
          THEY HAD THE CAPACITY AND THEY HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY TO HAVE TAKEN CARE OF. 
          THERE'S TWO RIDGE. 
          SO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THIS NEED TO HAVE THIS WATER GO INTO TOWNSHIP SEVEN TO PUSH THEIR SEWAGE BACK BECAUSE WE'RE ANNOUNCED REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT. 
          IT'S DIFFERENT THAN WAREHOUSE OR FULFILLMENT. 
          LET'S MAKE THAT DIFFERENTIATION RIGHT HERE. 
          AND THEN THEY OWN A LOT OF LAND AS MR DOES SAID, AND THEY DO HAVE THE CAPACITY. 
          WE HAVE STUDIES THAT SHOW THAT THE INSTRUMENT COULD HAVE BEEN SPREAD ON THEIR OWN GOLF COURSE. 
          THEY COULD HAVE TAKEN THEIR OWN EFFLUENT CONTENT BACK TO THE RESIDENCES AND WANTED THEIR LAWNS WITH IT. 
          LIKE THE RIVERKEEPER HAS EDUCATED US ALL DONE, STAYING IN. 
          ALL I ASK IS THAT AS A TAXPAYER AND THE CITY OF NEWBURGH THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T PASS THE BOOK ANYMORE. 
          WE HAVE TO TAKE A STANDARD TO LOOK AT THESE THINGS, LOOK AT THE CORPORATE CITIZEN WHO IS COMING TO YOU AND SAY, WHAT ARE THE RESOURCES DO WE NEED TO GET INVOLVED IN THIS, TO THE LIMITS THAT WERE GETTING INVOLVED? AND WHAT IS IT GOING TO DO TO OUR TAXPAYERS IN THE LONG RUN? AND THOSE ARE, AND SEWER BILLS IN THE WRONG. 
          IF THIS CORPORATE CITIZEN HAS CAPACITY THE LAND, MY GOODNESS, WHEN YOU LAND TO HAVE SOME OF THAT REALLY, AND ANYBODY ELSE FOR ONE THING, THE FLUENT ON OUR SYSTEM THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT CANNOT BE PIPED BACK INTO THE AREAS THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          UNLESS IT FLUENT HAS ALREADY BEEN TREATED DOWN TO LESS THAN FIVE VOD AND ALL THE DANGEROUS PATHOGENS BEING REMOVED FROM THAT, AT THAT POINT IN TIME, THEN IT CAN BE DONE. 
          SO WHAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN WITH THE WAREHOUSE WOULD HAVE TO TREAT THE AFFLUENT DOWN TO A TERTIARY STANDARDS AND THEN THEY COULD FIGHT IT BACK IN AND CORRECT IS YOUR THING IS, AND LET ME JUST MAKE THIS COMMENT. 
          I DON'T WHERE I'M GETTING LOST IS DIDN'T TOWNSHIP SEVEN, HAVE A MORATORIUM OVER THERE. 
          AND AT LEAST I READ THAT AND THE PIPE. 
          WELL, IF IT'S SO EASY TO TAKE CARE OF THE SOWER, WHY DIDN'T TOWNSHIP SEVEN TAKEN CARE OF LAST? THERE WERE ALL THIS TIME WHILE WE ALL WONDER MORATORIUM, MAYBE SUCH AN EASILY SOLVABLE PROBLEM, WHICH, I MEAN, I'M JUST GETTING CONFUSED, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. 
          YES, YOU MAY DID ANYBODY APPROACH HIM TO BUY LAND OR WERE THEY LOOKING FOR A YEAR WERE SAYING, GIVE IT TO YOU. 
          OR YOU WOULD HAVE PURCHASED TO MAKE A MOTION. 
          WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC, HEARING ANYBODY. 
          I THOUGHT IT WAS IN A PUBLIC HEARING TO DISCUSS THE FINANCING ARRANGEMENT ON THESE HOME IMPROVEMENTS. 
          WE HAVE PROGRESSED TO TALK ABOUT THE SEWER PROBLEM IN THE NEWSROOM NEED DISCUSSION. 
          I HAD ONE THING AND THIS RIGHT, WHERE WE'RE AT, WHAT WERE YOU HERE FOR TONIGHT WAS DISCUSSED THE NEED 
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THAT WE CAN PROTECT OUR CITIZENS AND GIVE THEM THE AMOUNT OF WATER THEY NEED. 
          SO THAT IF WE DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH OUR LINES BETWEEN HERE AND THE CITY, THAT THEY WILL NOT BE OUT OF WATER IN SIX HOURS, CORRECT? MR. RIVERKEEPER, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE RIVER, BUT IF YOU'VE GOT TO UNDERSTAND TOO, THAT IF WE PIPE IT FLUENT AND GET IT BACK TO OUR SYSTEM AND TREATED IN ONE PLACE, SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE, IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT CHEAPER TO MOVE WATER FROM THERE. 
          AND IT WILL BE FROM SIX OR SEVEN DIFFERENT PLACES AT SOME TIME. 
          AND AT POINT IN TIME, YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING AND, UH, BELIEVE THIS THERE'S THINGS THAT ARE FLYING AROUND UP HERE ALL THE TIME, TALKING ABOUT WHAT CAN WE DO TO GET OUT OF THE NEUSE RIVER. 
          IF WE COULD GET OUT OF IT TOMORROW, I'D BE TICKLED TO DEATH AND WE WILL GET OUT OF AT SOME POINT AND IT'S GOING TO BE AN EXPENSIVE MOVE. 
          PLEASE WRITE IT DOWN. 
          RICK PENDLETON SAID THAT CITY OF NEIGHBORS GOING TO GET OUT OF NEWS, REVEREND ONCE UPON A TIME, SOME PEOPLE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO ANNEX THEM, WHICH WAS NOT CORRECT, AND A CERTAIN DISTANCE. 
          BUT IF WE HAD A MAN ASKED HIM WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SPREAD THE COST OF THIS, CHANGE OVER SOME MORE FOLKS AND MADE IT MORE, UH, ABLE TO GET HIM TO COME OUT OF THE RIB. 
          BUT YOU SAY WE WERE SOLD TO HIM THEN. 
          SO THIS LEFT FOR THOSE THAT ARE LEFT PAY FOR ALL OF IT. 
          AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST SENT A LOT OF THEM PUPPET WHERE IT'S GOING. 
          AND SINCE IT'S DOING THEM MORE HARM AND IT'S DOING, ESPECIALLY SINCE ALL THOSE ARE PUMPING HARD AS THEY CAN PUMP. 
          SO THAT'S THE POINT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY CITIES HAVE TO GROW OR THEY DIE. 
          AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU FIND OUT AND YOU READ ABOUT, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO PAYING FOR IT, THAT'S WHEN A LOT OF PEOPLE, THEY HADN'T DIFFERENT DIVERSE DIRECTIONS. 
          SO WHEN EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE NOBODY, NOBODY WANTS TO DIE. 
          THAT KIND OF APPLIES HERE. 
          EVERYBODY WANTS EAT. 
          THE QUESTION WAS TO CLOSE OVER HERE. 
          NOW YOU GET A SECOND DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, OKAY. 
          I MEAN, I MOVED THE RESOLUTION IS ADOPTED OR BE ADOPTED THE WAY I HAVE TO CALL THE ROLL. 
          CALL IT PLEASE. 
          YES, YES, YES, YES, YES. 
          NEXT THING IS A CONSENT AGENDA POOL. 
          ARE YOU SERIOUS? ARE YOU SERIOUS? I MOVED THE REMAINING ITEMS WE ADOPTED. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY DISCUSSION CALL THE ROLL ON THAT? YES, YES, YES, YES. 
          I ALSO HAVE A KNEE PROBLEM. 
          IT'S TOO LATE. 
          YES, I HAVE. 
          I'M AFRAID TO MOVE. 
          DO WE HAVE TO VOTE ON ME?  WE'LL TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS AND I'LL COME BACK. 
          THEY MIGHT'VE SAID, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT, WELL, SHOULD Y'ALL EXPLAIN WHAT IT IS OR DOES NOT HAVE A CONCERN OR HOW YOU WANT TO DO THIS? MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. 
          I THINK THAT THAT BUDGET SESSION LAST YEAR, WE HAD DISCUSSED THE POSSIBILITY OF A DIFFERENT POLICE RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THAT THE ONE THAT THEY HAVE THERE AT PRESENT, UH, THEY HAVE BEEN EXPERIENCING PROBLEMS WITH, FOR QUITE SOME TIME. 
          THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE VENDOR HAS DETERIORATED QUITE SEVERELY. 
          AND WE DON'T THINK THAT IT'S VERY REPAIRABLE AT THIS POINT IN TIME, UH, ALL, UH, RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SYSTEM. 
          WELL, THE SYSTEM IS, THE SYSTEM IS NOT REPAIRABLE BECAUSE THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE VENDORS NOT REPAIRABLE. 
          AND SO, UH, AND IT'S IT'S, IT SEEMS TO BE GETTING WORSE EVERY TIME WE WERE TALKED TO THEM. 
          SO, UM, BASICALLY, UH, THE PROPOSAL HERE IS TO, UH, UH, ACCEPT A PROPOSAL FROM, I THINK IT'S A VISIONS, WHICH IS A SOFTWARE VENDOR HERE IN THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA, WHO DOES, UH, MEET THE, UH, 
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AT LEAST WE THINK THEY MEET THE NEEDS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          THEY, I DO OPERATE IN SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS TO DEPARTMENTS IN THE STATE SUCCESSFULLY. 
          AND, UH, I'LL ALLOW THE, UH, MR. OLDER AND CHIEF BUMGARNER, IF THEY'D LIKE, AND THEY MAY BE, THERE MAY BE A REPRESENTATIVE HERE FROM VISIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEY CAN KIND OF GO OVER WHAT IT IS WITH YOU, WHAT THE COST IS, AND THEN TRY TO RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU OR ANY MEMBER OF THE BOARD WOULD HAVE. 
          THE BEGINNING. 
          I WAS JUST THINKING JUST FOR THE SECOND TIME, IF, UH, WHAT WE HAVE IS JUST THE CONCERN OF DONNA, TELL YOU WHAT THOSE CONCERNS ARE. 
          MAYBE YOU CAN ADDRESS  ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS IS GOING TO BE HARD TO GET. 
          WELL, ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS THAT I HAVEN'T HAD HEARD ABOUT IS THE FACT THAT WHEN YOU DO THE INPUT, WELL, ONE OF THE BIG PROBLEMS, WHEN YOU TRY AND INPUT THE DATA, IT TAKES A LONG TIME FOR IT TO WORK. 
          THAT'S AN INTERIM SYSTEM ROCKING THE CURRENT SYSTEM. 
          IT COULD TAKE FIVE, 10 MINUTES. 
          WHAT SCREEN TO GO BACK AND FORTH. 
          LAST QUESTION. 
          WHERE'S IT GOING TO THE MAIN FRAME? WHICH AGAIN, I DON'T, WHICH PROBABLY SAYS WHAT, UH, AND I'M NOT, I MEAN, ONE OF THE THINGS I'D LIKE TO FIND OUT FIRST IS IF, IF THE LANE BETWEEN POLICE AND MAINFRAME WAS SARAH AND THE POLICE WAS GIVEN A SEPARATE CPU TO HANDLE THAT SYSTEM, WOULD IT THEN RESPOND IN A MANNER IN WHICH PEOPLE COULD LIVE, BUT IT'S $117,000. 
          AND I'M NOT SURE THAT THE RELATIONSHIP WE HAVE WITH ALERT, BUT NOW THAT THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO ASSIST US IN TRYING TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THAT SYSTEM IS OPERATING WITHOUT THE MAIN, RIGHT. 
          WELL, WE'RE DOWN HERE AND LISTEN, THE SYSTEM DOESN'T FUNCTION AS WELL AS WE WOULD LIKE TO. 
          IN FACT, ONE OF THE MAIN CONCERNS THAT I HAVE IS IT'S NOT USER FRIENDLY, MAYBE BEING A NON-COMPUTER WAVES, IF IT'S NOT SIMPLE AND IT'S NOT EASY, THEN THEREFORE I CAN'T USE IT. 
          THAT'S THE SAME WAY WITH POLICE OFFICERS THAT IF IT'S A SYSTEM THAT'S NOT SIMPLE, IT'S NOT EASY TO USE, THEN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO USE IT. 
          AND NO MATTER WHATEVER IT COSTS IS GOING TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, UNLESS IT'S A SIMPLE SYSTEM. 
          I MEAN, IF IT WORKS, BUT IT'S STILL SO DIFFICULT, NOBODY USE IT. 
          WHAT DOES THIS SYSTEM DO FOR A POLICE? YOU MUST BENEFIT. 
          YEAH. 
          JUST, UH, YOU CAN TAKE DIFFERENT GROUPS, UH, PATROL OFFICER, UH, IT WILL ALLOW THEM TO COME IN AT THEIR SHIFT, THE SHIFT SERGEANT, UH, THEY'D BE ABLE TO TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENED ON THEIR DAYS OFF AND THEIR SONS, BY LOOKING AT THE REPORTS, UH, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO LOOK AT ACCIDENT REPORTS AND GOING THROUGH THOSE AND BE ABLE TO DO THOSE ON THEMSELVES. 
          UH, DIAGRAPHS OR INTERSECTIONS CAN BE ADDED TO IT. 
          THEY'LL BE ABLE TO DO THEIR ACTION QUICKER. 
          UM, THE INVESTIGATORS CASE MANAGER THEY'LL BE ABLE TO DO, UH, IMAGING, UH, ALLOWED THEM TO DO PHOTO LINEUPS BASED UPON PHOTOGRAPHS TAKEN DURING THE PROCESSING PERIOD. 
          THEN BEING ABLE TO ENTER IN SUCH AS A 26 TO 30 YEAR OLD, BLACK MALE WITH BROWN HAIR AND A MUSTACHE REPEATER. 
          IF THEY HAVE A CASE SUCH AS THE  SHOT AND WE HAD ASSESSMENTS, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO GO BACK TO THAT THEATER, ENTER THAT NAME IN THE COMPUTER. 
          WE HAVE A PHOTO, THE PHOTO SHOW UP LINK HISTORY THAT PERSON WOULD SHOW UP IN THE SYSTEM. 
           PARTIAL NAMES. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO PULL OUT. 
          THE CURRENT SYSTEM IS SO COMPLICATED AND SO 
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HARD. 
          YOU CAN'T GET INTO WHERE IS IT GETTING THIS DATA FROM THE DATABASE? IT WAS THE AMBULANCE. 
          WHEN AN INCIDENT REPORT COMES IN, THAT THAT IS OVER A WARRANTS, COME IN AND INFORMATION. 
          UH, THERE'S A, UH, DRUG LAUNCH WITH NARCOTICS INVESTIGATORS WHO WILL ENTER IN THEIR DRUG INFORMATION AND INTELLIGENCE THAT THEY RECEIVED FROM DIFFERENT AGENCIES. 
          THAT'LL BE IN THERE THAT TRACK CASES, TRACK ASSETS, AND ALL THAT INFORMATION GOES INTO THE TOOL. 
          AND THEN IF YOU NEED THAT INFORMATION, NOW IT COMES BACK TO THE MASTER NAME, ANYBODY WHO WAS A WITNESS ABOUT AN ACCIDENT CITATIONS THAT ARE ARRESTED AND IT CREATES A FILE JUST JUST BY YOUR LIGHTENING POLICE, OR IS THAT TIED BACK INTO A MAINFRAME SOMEWHERE ELSE? LIKE A FAN NETWORK SET UP A YOUNG FILED THE SYSTEM WILL BE ABLE TO TIE INTO THE DCI, WHICH WILL SAVE US MONEY. 
          WE CURRENTLY HAVE TO PAY FOR EACH SEPARATE DCF TERMINAL. 
          WE HAVE ONE. 
          IN FACT, WITH THIS SYSTEM, WE'LL BE ABLE TO INTERFACE THE SCAN, VISION, CRIMINAL INFORMATION, CRIMINAL HISTORY CHECKS, CURRENT MOTOR VEHICLE INFORMATION TRACKING ABC MISERY RECORDS. 
          I'LL BE ALL SOUNDS CORRECT. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          I ASKED HOW MANY TERMINALS AND IT'S A 15 TERMINAL, BUT HOW MANY ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE ON 15? AND IT CHANGED ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE A CHANCE TO BLOW A SUMMER PROBLEM, LIKE ELECTRONIC IMAGING WITHOUT TALKING TO VISIONS AND EXACTLY HOW THIS STUFF IT'S ELECTRONIC. 
          THE LESSON HAS GREAT. 
          IF YOU'VE GOT STORES, THE WHOLE MASSIVE AMOUNT OF STORES. 
          I MEAN, PART OF IT, I'M NOT REAL SURE THAT, I MEAN, , I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO, BUT YOU JUST CONSIDERED IT, TOM, AND I'M GETTING A RIDE HOME WITH JOSEPH  AT SOME CATEGORY. 
          , IT'S A BIG BROTHER. 
          I JUST CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET YOU OUT. 
          FOLKS TO TRY TO CREATE A NEW SYSTEM, TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR YOU THE WAY THEIR SYSTEM IS WRITTEN. 
          THEY CAN'T MAKE ANY, BUT ISN'T IT TRUE THAT THAT'S OTHER THAN INFORMANTS. 
          AND THAT'S THE WAY A LOT OF CRIMES ARE SOLVED IS BY THAT CROSS CONNECTION AND CROSS POLLINATION OF THIS NUMBER AND THE SCANNING FOR THAT, THAT CLUE OR MODUS OPERANDI OR WHATEVER, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY AND THEN THAT'S BASED ON THE FACT THAT IS DOING MOST OF THE TROUBLE. 
           UH, HOW CAN YOU GET INFORMATION? IT'S LITERALLY A ONCE A WEEK, PICK IT UP FROM THE PHONE. 
          IT'S CURRENTLY IN PAPER FORM, BUT THERE'S A GROUP WORKING ACROSS THE STATE RIGHT NOW TO THE 
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HOME OWNER'S ASSOCIATION, WHATEVER IT IS THE CORRECT NAME, TO HAVE THEIR FILES COMPUTERIZED, WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET THIS ACROSS. 
          SO THAT REALLY IS SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO. 
          WELL, I GOT A VOLUNTEER THAT DOES IT BY HAND  HE'S HE'S DOES AN AWFUL LOT OF PAPER SELECTING RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT GOES OVER ALL THE STOLEN PROPERTY. 
          THIS WITH ALL OF THE EMINENCE BOATS, YOU DON'T GO BLIND AND THIS SYSTEM IS NOT GOING TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM, PROBABLY ADD TO THEIR WORKLOAD. 
          THE FACT THAT ALL INFORMATION HAS TO BE PUT ON STATE WILL BE SITTING THERE LOOKING AT A SCREEN WAITING  MEAN THAT WAY YOU CAN REALLY GET DOWN TO WHAT REAL . 
          IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY THAT SMALLER POLICE APIT NOT GOING TO BUY OUR OWN? THERE WAS THAT ONE AT ONE POINT CHIEF, THIS THING WAS, I KNOW THERE WERE PROBLEMS WITH DUPLICATING NUMBERS AND CREATING ALL KINDS OF HAVOC INSIDE THE SYSTEM SAYS, FEEL HAPPY. 
          OKAY. 
          I GOT A MESSAGE YOU UP WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO PULL SOMETHING BACK UP AND DO THINGS HAVE THE SAME NUMBER. 
          IT'S HARD TO STORE OUT AND OTHER INFORMATION WITH IT TOO. 
          I THINK THEY SPEND MOST OF THEIR . 
          I'M NOT REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE SYSTEM. 
          YOU NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF POLICING. 
          IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE DONE AT ONE TIME, SOONER OR LATER. 
          OH, WE ALWAYS HAVE TO KEEP DOING THAT. 
          IT'S A CONSTANT FLOW OF  INPUT, INTENSIVE LOSES INTEREST. 
          IT TAKES FIVE MINUTES TO PUT THEM IN. 
          THEY QUIT WITH NAME. 
          THAT'S A MANAGEMENT PROBLEM. 
          , UH, DECEMBER 27TH, OR BASICALLY FOR THE STATE, MY WATCH STATE JOB AND WHICH I'M STILL SPENDING A LOT OF TIME PUTTING INFORMATION IN, BUT THAT'S THE 
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ONLY WAY YOU GET IT IN THERE AND HOPEFULLY CAN GET PROBATION. 
          YOU SEE THAT AS BEING A PROBLEM. 
          IF YOU'VE GOT VOLUNTEERS WORKING WITH PUT, DO A LOT OF THIS IS A REPRESENTATIVE OF YOUR NAME. 
          I FLIPPED OUT MR. MEDALLA A COUPLE OF ISSUES. 
          UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE BEEN SO SUCCESSFUL WITH OUR PONTIC, IF THE OFFER ON TICKET, IT WILL AUTOMATICALLY LOOK FOR THAT PROPERTY IN THREE DAYS AND ARREST OR ANY OTHER CASE, HOW DOES IT DO THAT? CAN WE JUST HAVE A, BASICALLY A SEARCH CRITERIA BUILT IN, IF I ENTER A SONY VCR,  SEARCH MINE AND ARREST FOR THAT PROPERTY. 
          AND AT THAT POINT, IT THROW UP A YES, CORRECT. 
          AND AS SHE POINTED OUT, WE WERE WORKING TO AUTOMATE THAT WHEN THE  COMPUTER SIX TOMORROW, AND THEN PICK UP THE DISCOUNT AND LOAD IT BACK DOWN AT THAT AS WELL, AS FAR AS THE STORAGE CAPACITY IN ABOUT THREE WEEKS, UH, WE HAVE, YOU CAN JUST COMPRESS DOWN FOR ABOUT 25 MEGABYTES OF NEW GLASS. 
          AND WE FIRST STARTED NEW. 
          WE WERE STORING FILES. 
          IS IT STILL A PHOTO? YES. 
          AND BEING A WHORE. 
          WELL, WE STILL THE OFFICER GO TO A CRIME SCENE AND VIDEOTAPE A CRIME SCENE, COME BACK IN AND PLAY ONTO THE COMPUTER. 
          AND THEN STILL THAT STILL PHOTOGRAPH VIDEOTAPE. 
          NOW  AROUND 15,000 IMAGES FOR THE THREE BIG BOX. 
          THAT'S ABOUT 35 YEARS, UH, GIGABYTES COMING FROM ABOUT $650. 
          THAT'S A STORAGE SPACE MONEY ISSUE AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME. 
          NO, YOU HAVE. 
          IT'S LIKE I WAS TELLING ME HOW MUCH DOES THE TAPE BACKUP THERE? THERE'S NEW TECHNOLOGY CALLED OPEN FILE TAPE BACKUPS. 
          WE'RE PROVIDING THAT STORE AT THE FOURTH FIVE. 
          AND THE NICE THING ABOUT THIS TECHNOLOGY IS THERE'S NO, NOW THERE'S NO DOWNTIME. 
          IT'S OPEN FILE SO THEY CAN SET A TIME FOUR O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, EVERY DAY. 
          SO LINDA DOES HAVE TO GO AT FOUR O'CLOCK STOP WORKING ON THE SYSTEM AND TO DO THAT. 
          THEY SET A TIME OR FOUR O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING. 
          WHENEVER ALL SHE HAS TO DO IS COME IN AND CHANGE THE TAPE. 
          UH, EACH STATE IS ABOUT CHIEF WAS TALKING ABOUT  WELL, OBVIOUSLY THE THREE MANAGERS OR THE THREE GIG NETWORK THAT WORKS THE DAY. 
          UM, THE DATA, THE DATA IS NOT IN OUR SYSTEM IS NOT CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF DATA, UH, PICK AND SHERIFF'S OFFICE AS OUR SYSTEM ADDRESSES FOR ABOUT FOUR YEARS RUNNING JAIL AND RECORDS. 
          AND THEY HAVE YET TO FILL THE THREE DAYS AND THEY RUN A DAY. 
          AND I THINK THEY SAY, PICK COUNTY HAS 189 POLICE DEPARTMENTS AND SHERIFF'S OFFICE. 
           OUR CLOSEST COMPETITOR AS, UH,  AS OFFICE PARK. 
          WE DID A CUSTOMER SURVEY LAST YEAR WITH OUR CUSTOMERS. 
          WE HAD A NINE AND EIGHT. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          TWO ABOVE THAT. 
          WELL, LISTEN, DO YOU HAVE THE POWER TO, UH, NOT WANT TO VOTE FOR THIS, BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE PRICE, BUT CAN YOU KNOCK OFF 10% OF THIS PRICE? REALLY, IF WE, IF WE, IF WE ACCEPT THE BEER TONIGHT, HOW ABOUT 5%? CAN YOU KNOCK OFF SOMETHING? UM, 9% OF WE BUY THE 
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SYSTEM WHERE YOU SEND HIM A CAMPAIGN UP FOR CHRIS PLUS, I'M TRYING TO SAVE SOME MONEY. 
          HOLD, HOLD IT LISTEN. 
          YES. 
          WE PREFER A TURNKEY. 
          UM, SIMPLY BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, GET THE SITUATION. 
          IF THEY'RE ONES THAT ANYONE'S EVER DEALT WITH COMPUTER SYSTEMS TO A FINGER POINTING CONTEST, WHEN THERE'S AN ERROR IN HARDWARE, IT THROWS UP AN ERROR IN OUR SOFTWARE. 
          YOU WILL CALL THIS OR THAT TIME. 
          IF IT'S NOT OUR HARDWARE, WE WILL DETERMINE WHAT THE PROBLEM IS. 
          AND THAT MAY TAKE 30 MINUTES AN HOUR. 
          WHEN WE DETERMINE IT'S A HARDWARE ERROR, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW, THIS IS A HARDER PROBLEM. 
          WHEN WE CAME FROM IT IS BECAUSE IT'S NOT OUR HARDWARE. 
          THEN YOU CALL YOUR HARDWARE GUY TO GET HIM TO COME OUTSIDE, TO FIX SOME HARDWARE. 
          AND MANY TIMES YOU GET INTO A FAILURE POINT  ASSETS. 
          AND WE WANT TO ALLEVIATE THAT. 
          UH, SECONDLY, WE PROVIDE TOP OF THE LINE HARDWARE AND IF WE HAVE TO SUPPORT IT, WE'RE NOT  SYSTEM BOARDS THAT MOST OF THE MAJOR COMPUTER HARBORS, UH, DELL COMPUTERS, GATEWAY COMPUTERS, PACKAGE SYSTEMS, AND DOES, AND REASONABLY CAN BECOME A PRICE EFFECTIVE  OURSELVES. 
          AND THEN SLAP A VISION SOFTWARE. 
          WE DO, WE DO HAVE THE DIFFERENT DELL COMPUTERS GATEWAY. 
          THEY DO THE SAME. 
          SO YOU, YOU, YOU ARE MANUFACTURED THE COMPUTERS. 
          I MEAN, YOU PUT THE COMPUTER TOGETHER. 
          UM, UH, I THINK WE'RE UPDATING WELL SINCE YOU MADE THE COMPUTER YOURSELF, YOU HAVE SOME ROOM TO NEGOTIATE ON THE PRICE. 
          NOT REALLY CATCH YOU NEGOTIATE ON THIS A LITTLE BIT. 
          ACTUALLY WE'VE DONE THAT FIVE DAYS FROM OUR REGIONAL . 
          WE'VE GOT IT DOWN TO A VERY REASONABLE CIVICALLY VISION. 
          WE'RE USUALLY THE MOST LEAST EXPENSIVE SOFTWARE, BUT CAN YOU GET IT DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT FOR THE BOARD, FOR THE BOARD, FOR THE BOARD, UH, THE PRICES I'VE GOT THEM BROKEN DOWN HERE IN FRONT OF ME. 
          THEY'RE NOT THAT BAD. 
          THEY'RE LOOKING FOR 86, 66. 
          UH, THEY'D MEGABYTE AROUND FOR 2336. 
          THAT'S NOT A BAD PRICE. 
          I WANT YOU TO GET, WELL, YOU'RE NOT STORING THE DATA ON THE BECAUSE THEY'RE BASICALLY  FOR THAT YEAH. 
          UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW OLD THEY ARE, BUT THEY, WE CAN UTILIZE AS MACHINES, MACHINES THAT WE CAN, UM, AND WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS TO MOVE THOSE MACHINES. 
          IF THEY'RE NOT USED VERY OFTEN AND IS WE CAN USE THAT'S CORRECT. 
          THE SEVEN MACHINES ARE FROM US. 
          AND WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE PROPOSING THE FILE SERVER. 
          WE'RE UPGRADING 5, 3, 6 46. 
          WHAT'S THE 5 86. 
          IS THAT A PENTIUM? THAT'S ABOUT MY CHRONICS. 
          OH, BUT THE MACHINE, YOU, YOU, YOU DESIGNED THE FILE, SIR. 
          YOU PUT IT TOGETHER RATHER. 
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OKAY. 
          AND DO WHAT THEY EARNING IT IN. 
          AND WE'VE ALREADY BEEN TESTED AT OUR OFFICE 48 HOURS. 
          AND THESE MACHINES THAT YOU'RE UPGRADING, ONCE YOU UPGRADED YOUR, ARE YOU GOING TO ACCEPT THEM? IS YOUR EQUIPMENT THAT'S  SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE A FAILURE POINT. 
          ALL THIS EQUIPMENT'S GOING TO BE, OH, VISION HAS SET ITSELF UP FOR POSSIBLE LOSS OF MONEY FLOWS UP TO GET, TO GET YOUR BUSINESS  FOR THE LIFE OF THE CONTRACT. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, HOW MUCH IS IT? WELL, IT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE. 
          24 HOURS SUNDAY WEEK, OUR MAINTENANCE ONSITE MAINTENANCE ON THE NETWORK. 
          SO IF ANYTHING SHOULD HAPPEN AT THREE O'CLOCK  57 ON-SITE HARDWARE MAINTENANCE FOR ALL WORKSTATIONS AND COMPONENTS, 57 72. 
          I GOT IT RIGHT IN FRONT OF, UH, SHE DID A WONDERFUL JOB TALKING DOWN ABOUT, UH, DOES HE HAVE A COPY OF THIS G NONE OF US, UH, WHEN I GOT FROM THE SECOND LAP AND THAT MAINTENANCE IS A RULE OF THUMB, 10% OF YOUR TOTAL ORDER COST FOR STANDARD BUSINESS HOURS AND 15% 24 7. 
          SO, OR, UM, WELL, ON THE THIRD PAGE, ANYTHING THAT CAN TAKE ANYTHING THAT'S DETRIMENTAL, THAT'S A SERIOUS PROBLEM. 
           THAT MAY BEAR IN ON WHAT THE, AND HOW OLD IS OUR CURRENT SYSTEM. 
           POLICE DEPARTMENT ASKED FOR A FIVE YEAR WARRANTY, UH, KEEP IN MIND WE STOPPED. 
          WE STOPPED. 
          UH, AND, UH, THERE IS A LOT, UM, YEAH, IT'S, UH, UH, UH, UH, UH, WE'RE GOING TO CONVERT THE ENTIRE AVERSE SYSTEM WILL BE CONVERTED TO OUR SYSTEM, ALL THE DATA FIELDS. 
          OTHER THAN THAT, OF COURSE, WE CAN NOT HAVE AN AFFILIATED  
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 AND JUST STIMULATED TERMINAL TO THE MAINFRAME AND ASSAULT TO ACCESS OUR BUDGETARY AND OTHER TYPES OF ACCOUNTS THAT WE GOT BUT IT WOULD NOT, NONE OF THE INFORMATION WOULD BE STORED ON THE MAINFRAME THAT THEY'RE GOING TO USE. 
          THAT WOULD BE A TOTAL SEPARATE TEST. 
          . 
          SO HOW MUCH IS THAT GOING TO SAY AND GET YOUR HAND UP? HOW MUCH IS THAT GOING TO SAVE DON MAGNUS? NOT FUNNY. 
          YOU KNOW, WHEN WE CAME HERE, WE TALKED, WE'RE TRYING TO SAVE THE CITY SOME MONEY AND YOU'RE MAKING STUPID JOKES. 
          IT'S A STUPID JOKE. 
          TALKING ABOUT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, A CD OF MONEY. 
          THEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HAMS. THIS IS NOT FUNNY TO ME. 
          HEY, YOU CAN TELL US BIT, I MEAN, IF 
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YOU COULD SAY THE CITIZENS AND MONEY, WE NEED TO TRY TO DO THAT 62. 
          UH . 
          SO, DON, WHAT KIND OF MONEY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SAVING   UH  SO YOU SAID PEOPLE, THESE OTHER POLICE STATIONS OR POLICE DEPARTMENTS IN THERE, AND THEY'VE, THEY'VE ACTUALLY HAD SOME HANDS ON AND YOUR PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE OPERATING AND FEEL COMFORTABLE ABOUT OKAY. 
          I BELIEVE, I THINK I'VE BEEN THROUGH   YES. 
          UM, I HAVE THE FULLEST CONFIDENCE IN THE PROCESS. 
          SHE AND MANY COMPUTER PEOPLE WITH ALL THROUGH ANALYZING THEIR NEEDS, CHECK OUT THIS SYSTEM. 
          AND I THINK THERE'S A VAST IMPROVEMENT IN THIS PANEL IN THE LAST YEAR OR TWO. 
          AND I THINK IT'S BECAUSE WE WERE GIVING THEM THE TOOLS THEY FELT THEY NEEDED TO DO THE JOB. 
          AND THIS IS A MAJOR TOOL EMOTION ABOUT THE RESOLUTION FROM POLICE RECORDS, MANAGEMENT SYSTEM ITEM NUMBER TEN SECOND, BUT I GOT A QUESTION, DON DISCUSSION. 
          UM, WHAT, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT THE, UH, ITEMS DON BROUGHT UP AS FAR AS THE MAINTENANCE CONTRACT? I ASSUME THAT'S GOING TO BE REDUCED TO FIVE MINUTES, $3,400 KNOCKED OFF 1800. 
          SO MAX IS YOUR, YOUR EMOTION, UH, CONSIDERING YOUR AMENDMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          WHEN MY SECOND IS STILL IN TECH PROQUEST, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? YES, YES. 
          EIGHT 
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AND NINE, UH, MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UH, JUST TO START THIS MARATHON OUT, I GUESS, UH, ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, UH, WE BEGAN LOOKING, WE BEING VARIOUS MEMBERS OF THE DEPARTMENTS THAT USE THE SYSTEM, FINANCE, UH, ELECTRIC UTILITIES, THE BILLING COLLECTIONS PEOPLE, UH, AND OUR DATA PROCESSING PEOPLE BEGAN LOOKING FOR A NEW SYSTEM TO DO OUR UTILITY COLLECTION AND BILLING. 
          THE REASON FOR THAT IS THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PROBLEMS WITH OUR CURRENT SYSTEM. 
          UH, NUMBER ONE, IT'S NOT VERY CUSTOMER SERVICE FRIENDLY, NUMBER TWO, UH, IT'S UH, THE COMPANY THAT HAS PRODUCED THIS SYSTEM HAS BEEN BOUGHT OUT BY EDS IS IN PROCESS OF, UH, GOING OUT OF BUSINESS. 
          UH, THEY HAVE, UH, STOPPED ANY ENHANCEMENTS TO THIS PRODUCT. 
          THEY HAVE, THEY ARE ONLY MAINTAINING WHAT'S THERE, AND THEY'RE NOT DOING THAT IN A VERY GOOD MANNER. 
          AND SO, UH, OVER THE TWO YEARS, DAVE LOOKED AT A NUMBER OF SYSTEMS TO SYSTEM THAT IS RECOMMENDED TONIGHT IS, UH, A VERY WELL-KNOWN AND WIDESPREAD, UH, SYSTEM THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES AND THE WORLD. 
          THERE ARE SOME, UH, THIS SYSTEM IS ON SOME, UH, MUNICIPALITIES OR ENTITIES THAT HAVE IN THE MILLIONS OF ACCOUNTS. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE THEY HAVE ONE OR TWO, UH, THAT ARE DOWN AROUND 4,000. 
          THEY ALSO HAVE MANY THAT ARE THE SIZE OF THE CITY OF NEWBURGH. 
          THIS COMPANY HAS RECENTLY SOLD THIS PRODUCT TO CITY OF ASHEVILLE, CITY OF RALEIGH, CITY OF GOLDSBORO, CITY OF KENSTON AND, UH, IS RECOMMENDED, UH, TO YOU TONIGHT, UH, TO PURCHASE ALSO. 
          AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF REASONS BEHIND THAT. 
          I WOULD SAY THAT OVER THE TWO YEARS THERE PROBABLY HAVE BEEN WITHOUT EXAGGERATION IN THE HUNDREDS OF STAFF HOURS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN, IN EVALUATING OTHER SYSTEMS AND CHECKING THIS SYSTEM OUT. 
          UH, WE WERE TO BRING THIS TO YOU LAST MEETING. 
          UH, WE TALKED WITH ALDERMAN MCDOWELL ABOUT IT BECAUSE HE'S, BOARD'S RESONANT COMPUTER EXPERT. 
          AND SO DON WANTED US TO DELAY IT TONIGHT BECAUSE THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE GOING ON AT THE LAST MEETING THAT, UH, HE DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO PREPARE FOR ADEQUATELY, UH, WITH BOTH OF THEM COMING UP. 
          SO WE TRANSFERRED THE, UH, HEARING OF THIS TO TONIGHT. 
          NOW WE'VE HAD A PROPOSAL ON THIS FOR APPROXIMATELY A YEAR OR A LITTLE BETTER. 
          AND WE TALK ABOUT THIS IN THE BUDGET WORK SESSION. 
          ALSO IT IS A SYSTEM. 
          AND BECAUSE OF THAT, THE COMPANY THOUGHT THAT WE WERE GOING TO BRING THIS BIT UP LAST MEETING. 
          AND SO THEY HAVE HAD AT LEAST ONE PRICE INCREASED SINCE THE TIME THAT WE RECEIVED A PROPOSAL, THEY'VE BEEN HOLDING THIS PRICE. 
          SO THE BEST THAT THEY COULD HOLD THIS PRICE WAS TO MARCH 31ST. 
          AND SO IN ORDER TO GET THIS AT THE SAME PRICE, I HAD THEM PREPARE A CONTRACT THAT I SIGNED ON PATH OF THE CITY THAT IS DEPENDENT UPON WHETHER OR NOT THIS BOARD DOES IT TONIGHT IS WHETHER OR NOT THAT CONTRACT IS ANY GOOD. 
          IF WE DID NOT. 
          THE COST SAVINGS THAT WE SAVED BY ENTERING INTO CONTRACT AT THAT TIME WAS $23,000. 
          SO WHAT WE DO TONIGHT, IF WE DO THE SAME THING TOMORROW, AND DON'T DO IT TONIGHT, THEN OUR COSTS WILL BE UP BY 23,000, THE COST OF THE PRODUCT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO, UH, AND SO WHAT WE'VE GOT, WHAT WE'VE GOT FOR YOU TONIGHT IS A RECOMMENDATION. 
          I'M GOING TO ASK, UH, MARY BRATCHER TO COME FORWARD AND TO START STARTING THIS THING OUT, RALPH PUCKETT AND UTILITIES DIRECTORS HERE, ALSO THAT BOTH OF THEM HAVE, UH, BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM PROBABLY HAVE A HUNDRED HOURS OR BETTER OF TIME PUT INTO THIS THING. 
          SO IT'S BEEN A LOT OF RESEARCH AND EFFORT PUT INTO THIS. 
          SO MARY, WHY DON'T YOU COME OUT AND START THIS OFTEN? USUALLY, WELL, BEFORE I THINK YOU MISUNDERSTOOD IF THE CONTRACT IS APPROVED. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT IS 
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THE PROBLEM? IT'S NOT SOFTWARE. 
          YEAH. 
          I JUST SAY ONE OTHER THING BEFORE WE GET STARTED IS WE APPRECIATE ALDERMAN. 
          MCDOWELL'S CONCERNED ABOUT THE COST OF THE TRAINING. 
          UH, WE WISH WE COULD GET TRAINING CHEAPER ALSO, BUT WE WOULD DEPEND ON THE COMPANY TO DO THAT. 
          AND WE DO RECOMMEND THAT WE GO AHEAD WITH THIS, UH, UH, SOFTWARE PACKAGE, UH, IN SPITE OF THAT FACT, THE COST OF THE TRAINING IS DEPENDENT UPON USE THESE HOURS. 
          IT DOESN'T TAKE US. 
          THIS IS THE BEST ESTIMATE. 
          , UM,  WE REALLY NEED A NEW SYSTEM. 
           I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY. 
          THE REAL BOTTOM LINE OF IT IS A DAY INTERJECT. 
          JUST ONE MORE TIME IS THAT WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING, UH, WE'RE DUNKED. 
          THE SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE IS NOT ADEQUATE. 
          IT'S NOT BEING MAINTAINED, RIGHT? IT'S NOT BEING REPAIRED. 
          AND THE COMPANY THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH OWNS THE SOFTWARE. 
          SO WHEN WE CANCEL OUR MAINTENANCE CONTRACT WITH THEM, THE SOFTWARE GOES BACK TO THE COMPANY. 
          AND SO IT WAS NOT A MATTER OF, OF, UH, STAYING WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT OR GOING WITH THIS. 
          IT'S A MATTER OF, WE'VE GOT TO GO TO SOMETHING ELSE. 
          AND WHAT IS THE BEST IN OUR OPINION, THIS IS THE BEST PRODUCT. 
          QUIET. 
          OKAY. 
          I GUESS YOU'VE BEEN IN DEEP CAUSE WE KNOW WHAT'S PROJECT, MAN. 
          DON'T CALL THE TOTAL COST FOR THE TRAINING AND IMPLEMENTATION WILL BE INCREASED FROM 10,433 GAS. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THAT $85 95 OR  OKAY. 
          THAT IS IN THE CONTRACT MAN. 
          ,  BOTH OF THE REAL NITTY GRITTY. 
           ABOUT SIX YEAR AGO, FIVE YEARS AGO, LAST WEEK, MAYBE THAT IS BASICALLY IN THE EQUIPMENT AND IT'S THERE. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S NOT TRUE. 
          THAT EQUIPMENT IS PUMPED AND FINE. 
          THE PROBLEM HAS BEEN WITH A LOT OF THE SOFTWARE VENDORS AND THE, UH, SOFTWARE VENDOR WAS BOUGHT OUT BY EDS. 
          EDS IS A BIG TICKET, UH, COMPANY, AND THEY ARE PHASING OUT ALL OF THEIR CUSTOMERS UNDER A 1 MILLION POPULATION. 
          IS IT SOMETHING LIKE THAT? IT'S, THEY'RE PHASING OUT ALL THEIR SMALLER CUSTOMERS. 
          THAT'S ROSS PEROT. 
          I WAS JUST THINKING, MAN, THAT WAS ROSS PEROT'S 
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WHERE ARE YOU? LET'S GET RID OF UH, SO I AM NOT ARGUMENT THAT WE KNOW THAT THIS IS NOT THE BEST SOLUTION, BUT SPENT A LOT OF TIME INVESTIGATING AND IT A VERY MORE WEAKER SYSTEM THAT THEY NEEDED. 
          THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE STILL DON'T HAVE ANY BOTTOM OF BACK IT UP. 
          IF WE GOT A PROBLEM WITH IT, WE STILL HAVE TO GO OUT AND PAY A HUNDRED, 125, $150 AN HOUR. 
          THE SUNLIGHT PROGRAM IS RIDICULOUS. 
          THE SPAN WE WERE BUYING SOFTWARE PACKAGE AND BASICALLY THE SOFTWARE PACKAGE. 
          WE WERE PAYING BASICALLY THE SOFTWARE APPLICATION, $65,000, $65,500. 
          AND THE DATABASE MAN, WHAT YOU REALLY NEED IS 58. 
          SO YOU'RE SPENDING $123,000 IN SOFTWARE THAT YOU GO TO MAYBE SPEND A HUNDRED, $10,000 TO TRAIN. 
          AND THEN YOU STILL HAVE FIVE MINUTES TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM. 
          IF WE NEED TO CHANGE, WE STILL AROUND AND GO BACK A HUNDRED IT'S TIME TO QUIT. 
           PROGRAMMING STAFF. 
          BOB IS A BRIGHT GUY. 
          I'M NOT CRITICIZED IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, BUT WE NEED A PROGRAM TO START TAKING CARE OF BUSINESS. 
          WE NEED TO QUIT MICKEY MOUSE AND AROUND HIS THING AND HIRE PEOPLE TO DO IT. 
          AND CURRENT CONSULTANTS AND CONSULTANTS, THEY ARE NOT THE WAY BILL DISAGREE ON THAT. 
          HE THINKS FIVE YEARS AGO WAS PROBABLY EQUAL AMOUNT OF MONEY ON THE SYSTEM. 
          AND THE PROBLEMS THING HAD GOT NOTHING MORE THAN A PROGRAM. 
          THAT'S ALL, WE'VE GOT THE SAME PROBLEM WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          I PLAYED THE PROBLEM WITH THE BALL FACE BY SYSTEM. 
          FOR WHATEVER REASON, I HAD ONE THAT TURNED OUT NOT TO BE ANY. 
          THERE UNFORTUNATELY ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN SELLING SOFTWARE THAT DON'T BACK UP THEIR BOTS THAT WORKS RIGHT, AND THEN SHUT UP TIMES CHANGE. 
          THEY DON'T CHANGE THEM TO THEN. 
          AND I'D SAY THAT IF YOU, IF THE BOARD WANTED TO CONSIDER AN ADDITIONAL PROGRAMMER ON, THEN I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT. 
          I PERSONALLY WOULD NOT FAVOR IT MYSELF, BUT IF WE WANTED TO PUT ON A FULL-TIME PROGRAMMER, THAT'S FINE. 
          BUT THAT SHOULD BE AN ISSUE THAT IS COMPLETELY SEPARATE. 
          AND APART FROM WHETHER OR NOT WE GET THIS PACKAGE. 
          IF WE GET THIS PACKAGE AND WE HIRE A PROGRAMMER, THEN HE, AFTER WE HAVE GOTTEN THE TRAINING AND THINGS THAT'S NECESSARY HERE, IF WE HAVE TO PUT ON SOME KIND OF CUSTOMIZED THINGS, THEN THAT PROGRAMMER, HE OR SHE WILL BE AVAILABLE TO DO THAT. 
          BUT THAT'S A SEPARATE DECISION. 
          YOU ALL CAN MAKE IT BUDGET TIME. 
          THIS IS, THIS IS A DECISION YOU REALLY NEED TO MAKE TONIGHT ON THIS. 
          YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING PROGRAMMER. 
          WHEN THE NEED BECOMES APPARENT, YOU WERE SPINNING, ORGANIZE AND MANAGE AS BOTTLER AS $20,000 AS HAPPY OR SAD, GOOD PROGRAM RAN. 
          YOU GET WELL, HE CAN DO THAT. 
          IF YOU, IF YOU DID NOTHING MORE THAN BANK, THIS IS THAT POINT. 
          NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU WANT TO ORGANIZE WHAT EXACTLY MANTA PROJECT NAME . 
          IT MAY SIT AROUND AND DO SOME FLOW CHARTS AND SAYS, TAKE PRIME, MICROSOFT PROJECT AND SENSIBLE MILLSTONES TIMES. 
          THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE PAYING FOR AND THEN COORDINATE AND TRACK. 
          AND, UH, BUT THERE'S ONE OTHER THING. 
          WHY AREN'T WE PAYING FOR SUCCESS FOR $20,000? NO, WE'RE NOT. 
          ARE WE NOT? IS HE GONE? WILL YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION? WE GIVE YOU $20,000 FOR PROJECT MANAGEMENT AND SO FORTH, BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GUARANTEE THAT THE $20,000 IS GOING TO WORK, UH, WHY 
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WE'VE DONE IT. 
          AND EXCUSE ME, COULD YOU COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE, PICKS YOUR NAME SO I CAN HEAR YOU A LITTLE BIT BETTER. 
          UH, I LIVE IN COLUMBIA, SOUTH CAROLINA. 
           FIVE SECONDS. 
          TELL YOU ABOUT A CT PERFORMED IN 1968 CORPORATION, ROUGHLY 1700 EMPLOYEES. 
          AND WE ARE, WE'RE NOT GOING OVER. 
          WE'LL BE MOVING, BUT, UH, BUILDING, UH, ONLY TWO HOUSES OF UTILITY ORGANIZATION ON SEPTEMBER, THIS YEAR ON THE NORTH SIDE. 
          AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MR. MAYOR, THAT IS EXACTLY WHY WE PROPOSE, WHAT WE DID IS FOR SUCCESSFUL INSTALLATION BECAUSE THAT'S SUCCESSFUL. 
          WE'LL SAY MY, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT EVERYTHING THAT DON IS SAYING, I AGREE WITH, BUT IT'S SORT OF LIKE A PHILOSOPHICAL DISSERTATION WHEN HE SAYS A GOOD PROGRAM OR CAN DO SO INSIDE AND A GOOD PROGRAM. 
          IT'S A CIRCULAR THING, BECAUSE ONE WOULD SAY THAT IF THE GUY COULDN'T DO THOSE THINGS, IT'S NOT A GOOD PROGRAM. 
          AND THE PROBLEM WITH HAVING YOUR OWN MAN IS YOU HIRE A YOUNG MAN AND YOU MAY FIND OUT DEEP INTO THE PROJECT THAT HE WAS THE WRONG MAN. 
          WHAT YOU CAN DO THEN IS FINE. 
          AND YOU WERE UP TO HERE, YOU KNOW? SO, UH, I LIKE IN SOME INSTANCES PAYING A SET AMOUNT OF MONEY OR SOMETHING VERY CLOSE, BUT AT LEAST GUARANTEED THAT IT'S GOING TO WORK. 
          AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE UPSIDE. 
          WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. 
          THERE IS A GUARANTEE THAT OUR SYSTEM IS GOING TO PERFORM AS WE EXPECTED, HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO. 
          I MEAN, YOU'VE DONE ALL THESE AND YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO TAKE YOU TO. 
          THAT'S OUR BEST ESTIMATE. 
          THIS IS EXACTLY THE SAME PROPOSAL ACCEPTED. 
          UH, WE WENT THROUGH, UH, EXCRUCIATING DETAIL ON . 
          UH, WE HEAVY MODIFICATIONS AND THE SOFTWARE FOR THE $400,000 AND THE IMPLEMENTATION TO BE MUCH LESS COMPLEX AT SEMINAR INSTALLATIONS. 
          AND THIS IS WHAT WE FEEL IS NECESSARY TO MAKE YOU SUCCESSFUL. 
          HOW MUCH, A HUNDRED, $10,000 FOR IMPLEMENTATION THE SOFTWARE LICENSE IS SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT LESS PROPELLANT. 
          I BELIEVE THEY HAVE 12,000 ACCOUNTS AND YOU WERE AROUND 17,018. 
          THAT'S CORRECT, SUCH AS RALEIGH. 
          AND THAT ALLOWS US TO BE IN THE MARKETPLACE, THE UK MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF LICENSE FEE, BUT THEY HAVE 3.6 MILLION CUSTOMERS, NORTHWEST WATER AND A UNITED KINGDOM FOLLOWED  75,000 ELECTRIC CUSTOMERS IN MEXICO. 
          AND I BELIEVE THEY'RE ABOUT 800,000. 
          WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET LOST IN THE SHUFFLE. 
          I'LL ABSOLUTELY NOT. 
          UH THAT'S UH, WHY DON'T WE PRICE IT? THE WAY TO DO IS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE SUCCESSFUL AND YOU'RE NOT LOST WELL, I MEAN, THERE IS NOTHING IN HIS CONTRACT. 
          HE ASSURES US. 
          I MEAN, YOU CAN'T SIT THERE AND YOU YOU'VE GIVE US YOUR BEST EFFORT IN A FREEMIUM. 
          AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THING WE ALL PAID TO GET THIS  $150 A MILE NOW IS POINTING  AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, IT'S IT'S NOT WORTH $400. 
          NOW WE DON'T GIVE THE GUYS GOT FOUR YEARS AND THAT'S 
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EXTENDED. 
           HE COULD HAVE BEEN TWO YEARS EXPERIENCE IN  ONE  AS HE IS. 
          AND HE COMES IN HAND, BLOWS ALL THAT EQUIPMENT AND SCREWS IT UP. 
          I STILL IN YOUR BALLPARK, THAT'S NOT OURS. 
          AND IF YOU WANT TO SEND, HE DID HE COME IN, BUT, WELL, THAT'S WHY WE NEED . 
          I'M JUST GOING TO TAKE YOUR SPIRIT WITH A FORTUNE 500 CONSULTING FIRM. 
          THEY CAME IN NICEVILLE  ACCOUNTS RECEIVABLE SISTER ENDED UP BEING INCLUDED IN A PROGRAM THAT WORKED FOR ME AND IT JUST GOT OUT. 
          I'M NORMALLY IN THE TOP, EVERY DAY AT FOUR O'CLOCK, THIS CONSULTANT WHO HAD JUST GOTTEN OUT OF COLLEGE, DIDN'T KNOW, RPG CAME TO MY PROGRAM AND GOT HIM TO STAY AT 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, DOING HIS JOB EVERY DAY, DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY, WHEN WE WENT TO HIM, THE MINUTE WE STARTED EIGHT O'CLOCK ONE MORNING, WE WORKED EIGHT 30 THAT NIGHT. 
          I FOUND OUT THEY GOT A PHONE TEXTING PROGRAM, WHICH MEANT AT FIVE O'CLOCK THE NEXT MORNING, THE NEXT DAY, THE SAME GUY, REAL NICE GUY, RESILIENCE CAME IN AND WE GOT A BABY. 
          OKAY, WE'RE THROWING EVERYTHING. 
          AND THEY SAID, I WON'T TELL YOU ONE THING. 
          IF I WAS ASSOCIATED WITH YOUR FIRM, WHAT HIS JOB AND RESHAPING, AND THIS GUY JUST GOT OUT THE LOCAL COMMUNITY COLLEGE FULL MONTHS BEFORE. 
          AND HE WAS RIGHT NOW. 
          I'M NOT SAYING I'M NOT PUTTING IT IN. 
          IT'S GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM. 
          THEY SAID IT IS. 
          AND YOU DON'T, OR YOU DON'T ALL THE TIME. 
          GET WHAT YOU THINK YOU GET. 
          THAT'S TRUE. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S RISK INVOLVED IN EVERYTHING WE DO. 
          WE NEED TO MINIMIZE THE MIDDLE OF THE PROJECT, THE GAS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROJECT. 
          UH, NO WAY WE DID, YOU CAN GIVE US AN ESTIMATED COST WITH A, NOT TO EXCEED PRICE SINCE, UH, ONE OF HIS POINTS IS THAT YOU GOT A SPOT TO SHOW HER HAIR, SO TO SPEAK. 
          ONCE YOU GET INTO THE THING, AND YOU'VE GOT A MATER RIGHT INTO THIS, UP TO YOU TO QUIT, YOU KNOW, DON'T, WE HAVE A PROJECT TIME OF IMPLEMENTATION. 
          YOU'RE GOING TO GET IT DONE BETWEEN THIS TIME AND THAT TIME IN THE PROPOSAL. 
          AND IF THAT'S TRUE, THEN, THEN YOU SHOULD KNOW ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE IT'LL TAKE AND THEN NOT TO EXCEED PRICE. 
          COULD YOU NOT, I MEAN, AS YOUR RISK IS TO GUESS THAT, AND OUR RISK IS NOT TO GIVE YOU A BLANK CHECK AND TELL YOU TO JUST RUN THE METER. 
          AND THAT WOULD HAVE HELPED HIS CONCERN. 
          I THINK THAT'S NOT IN HERE NEEDS TO BE IN IT BECAUSE WHAT I'M SAYING ABOUT  PART OF THE PROJECT DEPENDS ON THE CITY DOING THEIR PART. 
          AND IF WE DO IT, WE CAN'T CONTROL. 
          NO, BUT YOU CAN, WE CAN DO THAT. 
          AND WE CAN ALSO HAVE SOME MILESTONES OR PUNCH CARDS OR WHATEVER YOU CALL IT DAY BY DAY. 
          NUMBER TWO, AND NUMBER THREE, WE ARE DOING HAVE DONE THIS AND YOU WERE TO HAVE DONE THAT. 
          AND IF IT AIN'T WORKING, WE'LL KNOW IT PRETTY SOON. 
          I THINK DON IS CONCERNED. 
          AND THAT IS A GOOD CONCERN IS THAT WE'RE GIVING SOMEBODY A CHECK TO SAY, OKAY, WE'LL PAY YOU X AMOUNT OF HOURS. 
          AND JUST KIND OF LET US KNOW WHEN IT'S OVER. 
          YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S NOT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SITTING HERE. 
          YOU'RE THE VERY FIRST JOB INVESTIGATING AGAINST. 
          WE DO NOT DO THAT. 
          YOU DON'T DO WHAT? JUST, JUST RUN UP THE CLOCK AND YOU GO OUT AND SAY, YOU WOULD JUST RUN UP THE CLOCK. 
          WHEN, I MEAN, THEN IF YOU KNOW, YOU NOT AGREE THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE SOME SORT OF IDEA ABOUT HOW LONG THE JOBS SHOULD TAKE PLUS, OR MINUS THE MAN HOURS OR MAN DAYS, OR HOWEVER YOU WANT TO PUT IT. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND OUR CONCERN WITH JUST TELLING YOU TO GO FOR IT? AND WE KNOW, I MEAN, IF I WAS GOING TO HAVE MY APPENDIX TAKEN OUT, I'D ASKED THE DOCKER WE TALKING ABOUT, I KNOW IT MIGHT MEAN YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE EXACT, BUT IF WE TALKING ABOUT AN HOUR, AM I GOING TO BE IN HERE SIX MONTHS? AND IF HE COULDN'T TELL ME, I'D BE REAL CONCERNED ABOUT THE DOCTOR, YOU KNOW, WAS THERE, WE DID THAT IN THE PROPOSAL. 
          THIS IS WHAT WE EXPECT THAT YOU ALL SAID, YOU WILL HAVE HER NOW WHAT WE EXPECT, MAYBE SOMETHING OR WHAT YOU ACTUALLY INCUR. 
          MAYBE SOMETHING THAT IF YOU CAN TAKE THAT $20,000 PROJECT MANAGEMENT AND DO IT ALL YOURSELF, SIMON, THE PROGRAMMING INVESTIGATING, WE HAVE ESTIMATED 400 HOURS, UH, THE CITY OF KINGSTON IN LESS THAN 400 HOURS. 
          IF YOU DID COME IN LESS THAN 400, WE ONLY CHARGE YOU ONCE YOUR NATIONAL VIEWS, BUT YOU DID THE 
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ESTIMATE. 
          AND THEN BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCE, WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE THE EXPERTISE AND YOU HAVE THE EXPERIENCE AND YOU'RE THE GUY THAT SAYS IT TAKES ABOUT THAT MANY HOURS, THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND ANY LOSS OF COMFORT IN, IN, IN YOU SAYING THAT HOUR'S A GOOD NUMBER, BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER NO MATTER WHETHER IT'S GOOD OR NOT. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? I'VE BEEN IN THESE THINGS BEFORE MY OWN PARTICULAR BUSINESS, WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CITY. 
          AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE GET INVOLVED IN IS A TECHNICIAN'S TIME AND ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF WE GET IN THOSE SITUATIONS QUITE FREQUENTLY. 
          I HAVE CUSTOMERS QUITE FREQUENTLY ASK US TO GIVE THEM A, NOT TO EXCEED FIGURE AND FOR THOSE VARIOUS SAME REASONS. 
          AND SOMETIMES WE FIND WE HAVE TO DO THAT BECAUSE IF WE ARE NOT FAMILIAR ENOUGH WITH WHAT WE'RE RUNNING INTO, THEN WE HAVEN'T SCOPED IT OUT WELL ENOUGH TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE GETTING INTO. 
          AND I WOULDN'T EXPECT YOU TO HAVE IT RIGHT TO THE NTH DEGREE, WHICH YOU SHOULD KNOW IT. 
          PLUS A MINUS. 
          IF YOU SAY IT'S GOING TO TAKE A HUNDRED AND IF IT TOOK 110 OR 115, OR IF IT TOOK 75 OR 80, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY BE EXCITED. 
          BUT IF YOU TELL IT WAS AN APP AND TAKE A HUNDRED AND IT TOOK 250, I THINK WE'D ALL BE EXCITED, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE WERE PAYING FOR THE 250 TIMES AN HOUR THERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO WHAT CAN YOU DO TO ALLEVIATE THOSE FEARS? THOSE OFFICES ARE CORPORATION MAKEUP ONLY CONTRACTS. 
          YES, SIR. 
           BUT I WOULD, THEY WOULD INCLUDE ANY LEGAL OBLIGATIONS OR IMPLICATIONS OF WARRANTY OR WHATEVER, BUT I DOUBT LEGAL GROUP WOULD HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE PRICE WITH IT. 
          SO IT'D BE WORKING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. 
          ANY COMPANY I'M FAMILIAR, THE SALESMAN USUALLY DETERMINED THE PRICE AND NEGOTIABLE WELL, I'M JUST ADDRESSING YOUR FEAR, I THINK. 
          AND THAT'S AND GIVING SOMEBODY A RIGHT PER HOUR AND SAY, YOU KNOW, TELL ME WHEN IT'S OVER. 
           WE CAN GO GET IT FROM OTHER PLACES WE CAN DO WITHOUT . 
          WELL, I WOULD THINK LIKE THE TRAINING AND SO FORTH SHOULD BE DONE BY THEM AND THE BETTER PEOPLE THAT WROTE THE PROGRAM AND EVERYTHING ELSE, HOW ARE WE GOING TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE WHERE  THEY DON'T COME ANYMORE. 
          THEY DON'T INVOICE, BUT IF IT TAKES TWO HOURS, WHEN YOU'RE IN TROUBLE, I MAY NOT DO Y'ALL DO Y'ALL ASSUME THIS IS WHAT DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE A OUTCOME BASED TEACHING, IN OTHER WORDS THAT YOU TEACH THEM UNTIL YOU THINK THEY'RE FULL, OR DO YOU GIVE THEM 40 HOURS A PIECE OR WHAT IS OKAY. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO TEACH X AMOUNT OF CLASSES NOW, X AMOUNT OF PEOPLE IN IT FOR X AMOUNT OF TIME. 
          SO I KNOW HOW MANY HOURS ARE INVOLVED. 
          UH, I GUESS I ONLY GOT, AND SO, YEAH, TRY AND IT'S WORTH IT. 
          IF IT'S GOOD TRAINING AND IT'S WORTHLESS, IF IT'S NOT GOOD TRAINING. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT ARGUING WITH IT. 
          SO THE PRICE OF THE TRAINING, SO MANY PEOPLE IN THAT KIND OF THING, IT'S JUST, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT RATES PER HOUR AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY FIELD, ET CETERA, SO YOUR NUMBER, AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE ANY WAY TO MAKE THAT A RESPONSIBLE NUMBER. 
          YOU KNOW? SO ROBIN  ON PAPER AND THAT TO ME, BEFORE YOU GO , BEFORE YOU START MANAGING, THEN YOU BRING YOUR BOY AND HALFWAY THROUGH THE SCREEN AND HE'S GOING TO LOSE. 
          I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
           WELL, IT MIGHT, IT MIGHT NOT. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S ALL , UM, AND I'M NOT BUILDING, I GUESS, THINKING THAT I'M ALREADY ABOUT SYSTEM 
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ELECTRIC DEPARTMENTS, BASICALLY THERE, THEY MAYBE, BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY THAT CAN SPEND THEIR TIME, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE ANY BODY THAT CAN HELP YOU WITH THE PROBLEMS THAT YOU GO TO. 
          HEY, THEY IS NOT A CANNED SOFTWARE PACKAGE OUT THERE AND MAY IT IS GOING TO DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO. 
          THEY DON'T NEED THAT. 
          THEY CAN DO 95% AND 98%, BUT THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT YOU MAKE YOUR JOB. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE THIS GUY COMES IN, IN DEPLOYMENT. 
          AND IF YOU , YOU GOT TO SEND HIM AND THAT GUY, MAYBE EVEN ONE THAT CAN HELP YOU. 
          IF MOM'S BUSY, 45, 50 HOURS A WEEK, NOW  PROJECT. 
          AND I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO TURN IT OVER TO SOMEBODY. 
          THAT'S GOT IT. 
          GOD MADE ME VERY PROFESSIONAL, BUT I DON'T WANT TO TURN OVER $150,000 PROJECT. 
          IT CAN START HELPING US. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF OTHER PEOPLE COULD HELP POLICE DEPARTMENT OR NOT. 
          BUT I DO KNOW THAT THE PROBLEMS WE ADDRESSED THIS AFTERNOON AND MAYBE 90% OF PROGRAM WAS A PROGRAM PROBLEM THAT WE'LL CALL THEM ERRORS IN THE SYSTEM. 
          PEOPLE MAY NOT EVEN HAVE IN SYSTEM. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          I CODE DOESN'T EXIST. 
          AND IT'S JUST MY OPINION. 
          IF YOU DON'T DO IT TO THE WEDDING AND GET SOMEBODY IN THE HOUSE AND GET THEM READY, GET HIM UP TO SPEED AND GET THEM IN ON THE END OF THIS PROJECT. 
          THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE GOING TO CUT DOWN ON THE 10,000 MILE. 
          THESE FOLKS CANNOT. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S LIKE BOB SAID, YOU CAN GET IN THERE AND WELL, WE REALLY NEED THE 80 HOURS. 
          CONVERGENCES OF OIL WOULD JUST CUT BACK  BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THE PROBLEM I GOT IS NOT NECESSARILY THE  SYSTEM. 
          IT'S THE FACT THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO CHANGE ANYTHING. 
          WE'LL GET THROUGH. 
          WE'RE GOING TO BE IN THE SAME SHAPE, DENNY SIX YEARS FROM NOW, WHAT DO WE ASSIGN  TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM AND SAY,  ALWAYS, WE WILL PAY A GENTLEMEN. 
           THAT'S WHY I ASKED THAT GUY WHEN HE SAID THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE IN 15 DAYS AND ONLY TWO TRIPS UP THERE. 
           SOMEBODY DIDN'T PAY THE EXPENSES TO DEVON PROVIDENCE. 
          I WANT TO GET IN WITH  HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO FIX IT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING. 
          $150 AN HOUR. 
          I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT. 
          NOBODY GOT WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          I MAKE, LET ME GIVE YOU MY, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT. 
          WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS ALL NIGHT, BUT LET ME JUST SAY ONE THING ABOUT THE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT YOU CAN SCAN A CAT, I GUESS. 
          AND THAT IS LIKE IN MY OWN BUSINESS. 
          AND WE'VE GOT A COMPUTER SYSTEM THAT'S ON THE SECOND OF THIRD GENERATION. 
          NOW WE'RE NOT AS BIG AS THE CITY. 
          WE DO A RIGHT DECENT VOLUME. 
          UH, I'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT CAN CHANGE THE PROGRAM INSOFAR AS PRINT EMBARRASS REPORTS AND THAT TYPE OF THING, BUT THE CHANGES THAT ARE DONE OR CHANGES BECAUSE THERE IS A PROGRAM FOR CHANGING IT. 
          I WOULDN'T LET ANYBODY, I DON'T CARE WHO HE IS GO INSIDE OF MY CANNED PROGRAM. 
          CAUSE YOU CALL IT, WHICH IS TRUE AND FIDDLE WITH THE CALLS. 
          HE'S GOING, YOU KNOW, WHAT AM I GOING TO DO TWO OR THREE WEEKS FROM NOW? IF I FIND OUT SOME LINE THAT HE WROTE IN THERE, YOU KNOW, HE DECIDED WAY DOWN HERE AT A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED RANG AND RUNS DOWN. 
          IT'S CHUNKING EVERY AMP, A CUSTOMER IN THE RIVER, YOU KNOW, WHOOPS, REV WAS WRONG TERM, THROW HIM AND THROW HIM IN THE TRASH. 
          YOU KNOW, IF THEY'D INVENT THE US FLAG AND SAY IT THAT'S WHAT WE GOT HIM FOR, BUT WE WON'T MEET HIM. 
          WE GOT AN IN HOUSE GUY, WHATEVER. 
          AND HE'S GOING INSIDE THAT PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY SAID THEY WANTED TO PRINT WAS NO PROBLEM. 
          YOU KNOW, AND HE'S NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT THING FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER, THAT WOULD SCARE ME TO DEATH. 
          HOW DO YOU KNOW HOW, HOW COMPETENT 
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THAT GUY, HIS ATTORNEY LOOSEN TO HIS COMPUTER. 
          AND THEN AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, FIND OUT HE MADE IT. 
          MAYBE IT WAS HONEST MISTAKE. 
          AND HE WAS JUST OUR EMPLOYEE. 
          I MEAN, WHAT CAN WE DO? WE WERE SORRY ABOUT IT. 
          AND HE SAW HIM AND THAT A CITY IS GOING TO MEET IT SO WELL IF THEY COME IN AND  NEVER, EVER SEEN ANYONE WHOSE CONTRACT IN THIS CONTRACT, THIS CONTRACT IS IF YOU WORKED IN HOURS, 10 HOURS, 18 HOURS PRACTICES  WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. 
          WHY DON'T YOU WANT TO DO TONIGHT BEFORE THE SUN COMES UP?  PROGRAM RANDOM. 
          WELL, NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PAYING SOMEBODY FOR 40 HOURS. 
           ELECTRIC. 
          LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION THOUGH, DON, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THIS CONTRACT. 
          THIS CONTRACT DOES NOT BIND US TO USING THESE PEOPLE FOR ANY OF THOSE THINGS, BUT IT'S A CAFETERIA STYLE ISN'T MOB WHERE WE CAN PICK IT OFF. 
          SO IF YOU AGREE WITH IT, WITH THE SOFTWARE AND YOU AGREE WITH THE COMPUTER SYSTEM, THINK WE OKAY TO CONTRACT THE NIGHT. 
          EVEN IF WE DECIDED LATER ON NOT TO USE THEIR LAND AT X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS A MILE, BUT TO USE A MAN YOU'RE PROPOSING OR WHATEVER. 
          SO WE CAN GET OFF TOO OFTEN. 
           PROBABLY, UM, FOREVER AND EVER, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 40 OR $50,000 A YEAR. 
          I'M NOT SURE I WANT TO STRETCH THE CITY'S PAYROLL AT ALL. 
           HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN THE SYSTEM. 
          WHERE'S MY BUSINESS, 12 YEARS. 
          AND I DIDN'T HAVE, AGAIN, I DON'T, I THINK THAT THEY ISSUE, WE GOT, NOW WE DON'T HAVE THE BOND. 
          THEY CAN FIX THE SYSTEMS. WE GOTTEN THAT. 
          I FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT I FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          ALSO UNDERSTAND THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF THAT FARM AND SAY AT THIS POINT THEY DON'T NEED. 
          AND I WOULD SAY ALSO THAT, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S FINE. 
          IF WE WANTED TO DISCUSS HAVING A FULL-TIME PROGRAMMER AND IT WOULD PROBABLY BE APPROPRIATE DURING BUDGET TIME. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT SHOULD BE THE KEY ELEMENT ON WHETHER WE ADOPT THIS TONIGHT OR NOT THOUGH, BECAUSE I MEAN, BUDGET TIME IS HERE. 
          WE CAN START TALKING ABOUT WHETHER WE WANT THE PROGRAMMER, BUT I WOULD ALSO SUBMIT TO YOU THAT I DON'T CARE HOW LONG YOU HAVE HIM OR WHO IT'S GOING TO BE TO SYSTEM A UTILITY COLLECTION AND BILLING AND COLLECTION SYSTEM AND METER READING AND ALL OF THIS STUFF. 
          THE KID'S GOING TO BE SO MASSIVE AND COMPLICATED AND NO ONE PERSON IS EVER REALLY GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A GOOD HANDLE ON IT. 
          THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE A TEAM, A SYSTEMS ANALYST IN SAT TO DEAL WITH SPECIFIC PORTIONS OF THE, OF THE ACTIVITIES. 
          I MEAN, THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE LOTS OF PEOPLE DEALING WITH SEPARATE AREAS, SPECIALIZING IN THOSE AREAS BECAUSE THIS IS NO SIMPLE PROGRAM. 
          THIS IS WHAT THIS, BY COMPARISON TO POLICE PROGRAM ON THIS THING IS JUST A PENNY ANTE OPERATION. 
          THIS IS A, THIS IS A MAJOR SYSTEM HERE. 
          WE JUST DECIDED AS A BOARD TO SEPARATE THAT IT'S TWO ISSUES GETTING STARTED, GRAMMAR AND HANDLING AND TAKING CARE OF THIS RESOLUTION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. 
          I THINK IT'S FINE TO TALK ABOUT A PROGRAMMER DURING BUDGET TIME, WE SHOULD GO AHEAD WITH THIS AT THE PRESENT TIME AND GET THIS THING GOING. 
          THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE WAITED TWO YEARS MORE ALREADY. 
          CAN WE DO THAT? DON? MR. MAYOR, LET'S TALK ABOUT A PROGRAM. 
          LET ME ASK YOU I UNDERSTAND PROBLEM. 
          AND I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE TOWN HAVE COMPUTER PROGRAM. 
          I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT ADDING ANOTHER HIGH SALARY TO THE BUDGET, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO THE ADDITION TO THAT PERSON, IT REALLY SHOULD LOGICALLY TAKE PLACE AND A BUNCH OF TIME, WHICH IS FAST APPROACHING. 
          WE HAVE A COMPUTER SYSTEM WE'VE BEEN USING FOR X AMOUNT OF TIME. 
          IF WE DECIDED TO GO WITH THIS NEW SOFTWARE, THEN WE WILL RUN PARALLEL. 
          BUT THIS FOR HOW LONG THIS IS GOING TO BE, WE'RE GOING TO RUN PARALLEL WITH IT AND MAKE SURE THAT IT RUNS COMPATIBLY WITH OUR OTHER CENTERS. 
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AND WHAT POINT DO WE HAVE TO START THE PROCESS OF PUTTING THIS SYSTEM ONLINE? WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF WE DECIDED WHERE THEY WERE AGREED THAT THIS IS THE SOFTWARE WE NEED, BUT WE HAVE A SYSTEM THAT WE'RE USING NOW AND NOT AS INTERESTED IN. 
          AND WE FEEL THAT IT SHOULD BE A BUNCH OF TIME TO DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITY OF ADDING THIS PERSON TO, COULD WE NOT DECIDE ON PICKING UP THE SOFTWARE AND JUST DELAY THE START OF INSTALLATION AND EVERYTHING UNTIL, BUT UNTIL AFTER OUR BUDGET TIME COULD DETERMINE IF WE'RE GOING TO ADD THIS PERSON. 
          AND AT THAT POINT WHEN WE ADD THEM OR NOT, WE CAN GO AHEAD WITH THE INSTALLATION THAT WE HAVE TO START PUTTING. 
          I THINK WE CAN DO THAT. 
          AND I ALSO THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN JUST GO AHEAD AND GET READY AS WE'RE GOING UNTIL YOU MAKE THAT DECISION. 
          THEY BUDGET TIME, AND THEN WE CAN PROCEED WITH IT. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'D BE A PROBLEM. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH JUST THE STUFF. 
          PROBABLY WON'T EVEN HERE PUTTING OFF, STARTING INSTALLING IT FOR TWO MONTHS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          GIVE US BUDGET. 
          I'M GOING TO FALL ASLEEP. 
          IT'S MY BEDTIME. 
          SO DONNA'S WELL, BUT WAKING TAKE UP, I MEAN, SAME WEEKEND. 
          YOU CAN MAKE THE CASE, BUT IT WAS PROBABLY A PROGRAM OR WENT DOWN, YONDER, LOCKED UP IN THE INNOCENCE. 
          I THINK, I THINK WHAT YOU SAY HAS SOME MERIT, SO, UH, I'M GOING, IT'S MATCHED. 
          DID YOU MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT RESOLUTION? NOW YOU, YOU MAKE THE MOTION. 
          OH, YOU CAN. 
          YOU CAN SHOP THIS RESOLUTION AND JUST DIRECT AND WE DON'T START IT. 
          WE CAN, I MOVE THAT. 
          WE HAVE NOT MISS A SUBSTITUTE RESOLUTION AND WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE NEW SYSTEM UNTIL THE NEW BUDGET TO A SECOND, WHY DON'T YOU PUT A CAP ON, OKAY. 
          COULD IT BE DOES THAT WORK FOR YOU? WE'VE COME TO THAT FOR THE, IF IT DOES NOT HAVE THE CATHOLIC, UH, OUR CAT AFTER THE CAMP IS GOING TO BE IMPOSED ON US, NOT ON THE COMPANY. 
          WE'RE GOING TO HOLD THAT  YES. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, AND THEN TO ALL OF THEM WHO ARE MISSING SHOULD BE RECORDED AS VOTING. 
          YES. 
          IS THAT YES. 
           SKIERS. 
          AND THAT DOESN'T APPLY TO HER. 
          I WAS NOT AWARE THAT DID WE ALLOW A DUTY TO SAY, HE TOLD ME TO LEAVE EARLY. 
          YOU TOLD HIM I HAD THE BEGINNING. 
          SO, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING. 
          THEY WERE EXCUSED IN THAT SENSE. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, BARBARA SAY SHE HAD TO GO AND DO THIS. 
          THEY SAID THAT HE COULDN'T STAY UNTIL SOMEWHERE AROUND MIDNIGHT. 
          AND THEN HE HAD TO LIFT FOR, I LIKE TO POINT OUT FOR THE INFORMATION, OUR PUBLIC, THAT THIS MONEY WE ARE SPENDING IS MONEY THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AND IS IN THE BUDGET. 
          WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ADDING A LOT OF MONEY TO THE BUDGET, SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY. 
          THAT'S NOT ALREADY IN THERE. 
          THIS WAS ALREADY SET UP IN THE PERMIT YEARS. 
          BUT SO ALL WE'RE DOING IS GOING AHEAD AND RELEASING THE MONEY FOR THE SYSTEM THAT WE KNEW WITH. 
          WE WILL NEED TO TOUCH A THOUSAND WELL IT'S, THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL SMALLER ONES. 
          WELL, OVERALL, WE WILL NEED THAT 85,000 MORE DOLLARS FOR THE TOTAL PURCHASES OF ALL THE SOFTWARE AND OKAY. 
          SO 
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THAT BEING THE GENE BUDGET, I IMAGINE IT'S GOING TO BE INSTALLED. 
          OKAY. 
          I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER. 
          WHAT'S GETTING SAID LIKE THIS DON POOLING NUMBER NINE. 
          SO WHAT HAVE YOU GOT? OKAY. 
          THAT'S FINE WITH US. 
          DO YOU WANT TO GO WITH IBM? WE'VE GOT A COUPLE THOUSAND. 
          CAN WE ALL MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE EXCEPT THE OKAY. 
          ANY DISCUSSION OR A SECOND IN MY MIND, A SECOND REINER MAKES A SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? YES, YES, YES, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          ITEM 15. 
          A POINT BY NOW. 
          RETIRED LORD. 
          YES, SIR. 
          YOU CAN, EXCUSE ME, PLEASE. 
          ANY APPOINTMENTS DENIED BY ANYBODY? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
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