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WON'T LET YOU INVITE THEM TO SIGN THAT.
YOU MIGHT CALL THE MEETING DAUGHTER AND, UH, WE'LL HAVE AN OPENING PRAYER BY REVEREND CD BALE, MOUNT CALVARY MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH.
I WILL FALL OUT WITH GOD AND BE ON THE COMMITTEE FOR TONIGHT WHO MUST FOLLOW, FOLLOW IN INDEPENDENT ON YOUR WORD, PROBABLY BE DIAMOND TONIGHT AND BE ABLE TO GATHER TOGETHER YOU NAME OR METROPOLITAN ATTEND TO THE BUSINESS OF THE CITY OF NEWBURGH, BUT FAR AS THE DOLLAR LEAD AND GUIDE THEM IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, WE WENT TO FOLLOW HER FATHER, LET US BE ABLE TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER BEFORE TRAVELING TO COME FOLLOW BECAUSE OF KNOWING THAT TRIBES IN THE REAL TONE, BUT WHAT'S CALLED THE SAME.
LIKE WE DON'T MAIL A MOVE UNTIL THE TRAFFIC TO GET HERE, BUT FATHER LET US BE ABLE TO MOVE BEFORE THE TRAGIC FALL OF BLACKSTONE IS IN COMMAND TONIGHT.
FATHER, LET THEM BE ABLE TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION DECISION.
THAT WILL BE BEST FOR ALL PEOPLE.
WE HAD TO NEED ANOTHER BLESSING IN JESUS' NAME, FRED COMMENT DOWN THE FIRST THING WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA IS, UH, THEY WANT TO PRESENT A RESOLUTION HONORING ONE OF OUR EX MAYORS BY TO DO ROLL CALL.
I KEEP FORGETTING THE ROLL CALL BECAUSE I FIGURED IF YOU CAN SEE THEM, I CAN SAY ANYWAY, WE LOST ONE OF NEWBORNS, UH, PROMINENT CITIZENS HERE RECENTLY, HIS NAME WAS MR. ROBERT L STALINS AND, UH, HE WAS AN EX MAYOR AND HE WOULD, IN FACT, PEOPLE THAT PUSHED ME, HER TO RUN FOR MAYOR HAD MENTIONED TO ME THAT THE TWO BEST MAYORS NEWMAN EVER HAD ONE OF THEM WAS ROBERT L STALINS.
AND SO I'VE GOT SOME REAL BIG SHOES TO TRY TO FAIL.
IN FACT, I WON'T EVEN ATTEMPT TO FILL THEM, BUT, UH, WE'D LIKE TO READ THE RESOLUTION, MR. WARD POINTED OUT, THERE'S A SLIGHT MISTAKE IN IT.
SO WE'LL PRESENT US WHEN TONIGHT, BUT WE'LL PRESENT THEM NOW.
THE ONE WITH THE AIR OUT OF IT, UH, SALES, WHEREAS ROBERT LEE STALINS JUNIOR HAS SERVED AS CITY IN A NUMBER OF RESPONSIBLE ENDEAVORS.
AND WHEREAS HIS DEATH LEAVES, THIS CITY MOURNING THE LOSS OF A MAN OF COURAGE AND DEDICATION.
WHEREAS HE PROVED TO BE A CAPABLE, HONEST, ENERGETIC, COURTEOUS, AND TRUSTWORTHY VISUAL.
AND HERE'S A MISTAKE WHO SERVED AS MAYOR FROM 1957 TO 59.
HE SERVED TWO TERMS, CHAIRMAN OF THE TRIAL PALACE COMMISSION AND DIRECTOR OF THE NORTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT OF CONSERVATION AND DEVELOPMENT FROM 62 TO 65.
AND WHEREAS ROBERT LEE STYLINGS JUNIOR THROUGHOUT A LONG CAREER OF PUBLIC SERVICE EARNED THE RESPECT, ADMIRATION AND HIGH REGARD OF ALL OF THOSE WITH WHOM HE CAME INTO CONTACT THE LOVE AND THE FACTION OF ALL OF HIGH AND LOW DEGREE WHO WERE PROUD TO CALL HIM FRIEND NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED BY THE NEWBURN BOARD OF ALDERMAN THAT WE TAKE PUBLIC AND OFFICIAL COGNIZANCE OF HIS LONG AND FAITHFUL SERVICE TO THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY AND EXPRESSED TO HIS AND FAMILY, OUR SINCERE APPRECIATION FOR HIS DEDICATED PERFORMANCE OF THE DUTIES OF HIS OFFICE AND OUR DATE REALIZATION AND THE LOSS WE HAVE SUSTAINED.
SO I THINK HIS Y AND SUN A YEAR, A MONTH
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OKAY.NEXT THING WE HAVE IS OUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT REPORT, WHICH IS THE SEWER REPORT OR WHATEVER WE'VE DEEMED IT.
AND HOPEFULLY IT'S ALL GOOD NEWS AGAIN.
IT IS THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT TREATED 87.9 MILLION GALLONS IN FRONT OF MAY.
UH, AT AVERAGE, 2.8 MILLION GALLONS A DAY ARE SUSPENDED.
SOLOMON'S EFFICIENCY WAS 87% EFFICIENCY WAS 2%.
DOES ANYBODY EVER DETERMINED OR DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT ALGAE OR WHATEVER THAT STUFF IS? IT'S GROWING ALL UP AND TRENT, IT WAS THERE LAST YEAR AND IT'S BACK AGAIN, EVEN WORSE.
MR. WARD, WHAT DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA JUST FOR THE HECK OF IT WHAT'S CAUSING IT OR NO, SIR.
I, I, I'VE KNOWN FOR SAYING THAT TO MYSELF, THAT I'VE BEEN APPROACHED BY A CITIZEN WHO GAVE ME A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF WHAT, WHAT IS HAPPENING.
AND HE SAYS THAT YOU TRAVEL UP THE TRAIN CERTAIN AREAS THAT ARE ALGEBRA ROOMS, OTHER AREAS YOU GO INTO, AND THERE'S NOT ANY ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HE IS RECOGNIZED AS THE ALGAE BLOOMS OCCUR NEAR, UH, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS.
UH, AND THAT WILL LEAD YOU TO THINK IT'S POSSIBLE NITROGEN COMING OFF INTO THE LAND WHERE YOU'RE, YOU'RE FERTILIZING WHEN YOU'RE NOR WITH NUTRIENTS IN THE WATER CAUSING DOWN PEOPLE.
SO I REALLY DON'T WHEN I WOULD ASSUME THEN YOU OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO GO UP THE TRENT WHERE THERE ARE NO MORE HOUSES ARE NOT FINDING THEM.
IS THAT WHAT HE'S SAYING? I SHOULD LOOK TOMORROW THAT HE HAS NOTICED THAT HIS ENDEAVORS UP AND DOWN THE TRACK.
WELL, THAT'S AN ENDEAVOR BECAUSE I GUESS GROWING OUT NOW I CAN TELL YOU, ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPORT.
UH, NEXT THING WE HAVE IS A, PROBABLY CARRYING ON THE 95 96 BUDGET AND WE CONSIDER ADOPTING THE BUDGET ORDINANCE.
SO WE'VE GOT A PUBLIC HEARING.
DO WE HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO OPEN IT? SO DOES ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THE BUDGET PLEASE STEP FORWARD AND HAVE THAT? MY NAME IS ALISON UNDERHILL AND I LIVE AT 1601 CERTAIN WAY.
AND I APPEARED BEFORE YOU TONIGHT TO FURTHER REITERATE OUR REQUEST, WHICH WE MAY ON APRIL 17TH, THAT YOUR WORK SESSION AND REQUESTING $5,000 TO BE USED TO OPEN A MEDIATION SETTLEMENT CENTER, ALSO DISPUTE RESOLUTION CENTER.
THEY'RE ALSO CALLED ACROSS THE STATE.
UM, I KNOW THAT THIS IS A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT YOU HAVE TO DISPENSE.
AND WE DID FEEL THAT WE WERE FEBRUARY PROBABLY RECEIVED BY YOU.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU MAY NOT HAVE THAT MUCH MONEY TO GIVE TO US, BUT, UM, WE WOULD APPRECIATE ANY CONSIDERATION THAT YOU CAN, DID MENTION SOME INCOME NEEDING SPACE.
AND WE WOULD BE RECEPTIVE TO THAT.
ALTHOUGH I HAVE NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE WHAT WAS OFFERED.
UM, WE HAVE ALSO PUT IN A REQUEST TO THE COUNTY, BUT THIS SPECIFIC, UM, PROGRAM THAT WE WANTED TO OFFER, UH, WITHIN THE CITY OF NEWBURGH WAS A PROGRAM CALLED WAS OFF, WHICH WAS AIMED AT HELPING JUVENILE OFFENDERS AND THEIR FAMILIES LEARN HOW SOLVE DIFFERENCES AND TO HANDLE PROBLEMS MORE EFFECTIVELY WITHOUT VIOLENCE AND CRIME.
THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAM WOULD BEGIN, UM, IN, IN THE NEW-BORN HOUSING AUTHORITY.
UM, AND SO THEN KIND OF SPACE THAT YOU OFFERED, UH, WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL THERE.
HOWEVER, WE DO NEED TO MAINTAIN OTHER OFFICE SPACE IN ORDER TO HAVE PREP, MEDIATIONS COMING OUT AND DISTRICT FOUR, WE AT THE PRESENT TIME HAVE A $20,000 REQUEST IN THE LEGISLATURE.
WE WOULD BE A BRANCH OF THE MEDIATION CENTER OF EASTERN CAROLINA, WHICH IS BASED IN GREENVILLE AND THEY HAVE SEVERAL OTHER SATELLITES AND THINGS ARE LOOKING PRETTY GOOD FOR GETTING THAT MONEY.
UM, WE HAVE ON UNDERSTAND TODAY THAT OUR BILL WAS RECORDED FAVORABLY OUT OF, UM, COMMITTEE ON CRIME CONTROL, UM, OUT IN, ON THE HOUSE SIDE.
SO HOPEFULLY WE WILL BE GETTING A STATEMENT THAT WE ALLUDED TO.
I'VE ALSO MADE A GRANT TO ONE OF THE LOCAL CORPORATIONS.
SO ANYTHING THAT YOU ALL COULD CONSIDER IN
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HELPING US GET THIS OFF THE START.I KNOW IT'S HARD FOR US TO BE ABLE TO, UM, TELL YOU EXACTLY HOW WE'D BE ABLE TO REDUCE CRIME AND FI IN ACTUAL CONCRETE NUMBERS.
BUT SINCE I APPEARED BEFORE YOU IN APRIL, I'VE HAD MANY, MANY PEOPLE CALL ME AND TALK WITH ME.
UM, I'VE HAD LOTS OF PEOPLE REQUEST MEDIATIONS.
UM, AND WE WERE FORTUNATE TO USE A CHURCH, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY WAY TO CONDUCT THIS INVESTIGATION.
SO, UM, ANY CONSIDERATION THAT YOU CAN GIVE US, WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
IF YOU THINK THIS WOULD BE A WONDERFUL SERVICE TO OFFER THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF NEWBURN AND THE COUNTY OF CRAVING.
AND, UM, MEDIATION IS DEFINITELY THE WAY OF THE FUTURE FOR REDUCING CRIME AND REDUCING THE COURT.
I KNOW WHEN I SPOKE WITH MR. CARR, WHO WAS NOT AT THAT NAVY, HE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT HE HAD HAD SOME EXPOSURE TO MEDIATION WHEN HE, BEFORE HE CAME BACK TO YOU OR TO LIVE.
SO PERHAPS SOME OF YOU HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO DEAL WITH MEDIATION, DISPUTE RESOLUTION CAN, UH, SHARE SOME OF YOUR POSITIVE FEELINGS ABOUT IT, THAT ANY, UM, I'D LIKE FOR NEWBURN AND CRAIG ACCOUNTING, TO BE ABLE TO BE A LEADER IN ESTABLISHING MEDIATION AVAILABLE FOR EXISTENCE, RATHER THAN TO SORT OF HAVE TO CATCH UP WITH THE OTHER AREAS OF THE STATE.
AND, UM, EASTERN NORTH CAROLINA IS AS WOEFULLY UNDERSERVED WITH THIS.
YOU USE IT IN DOMESTIC DISPUTES.
WE WOULD LIKE TO, TO HAVE, UM, BE ABLE TO OFFER MEDIATION IN FAMILY MATTERS.
UM, THERE IS A JUVENILE MEDIATION PROGRAM GOING ON CALLED FOR IT IS RUN BY RICHARD SHEA, WHO IS A TRAINED FAMILY THERAPIST.
AND FOURTH IS A JUVENILE OFFENDER PROGRAM THAT HAS A TWO YEAR GRANT.
THAT WAS THAT IN ABOUT A YEAR AND THREE OR FOUR MONTHS, NOVEMBER.
UM, IF THE GAME, UM, RICHARD IS VERY SKILLED IN FAMILY MATTERS AND WOULD BE ABLE TO HELP US GET THIS OFF THE GROUND.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, I HAD 'EM ON APPOINTMENTS, CALL ME, UH, THIS MORNING LOOKING FOR OUR OFFICE.
AND I SAID, WELL, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ESTABLISHED AND I'M STILL OPERATING OUT OF THE TRUNK OF MY CAR.
AND SHE, UM, IS HAVING SOME DIFFICULTY WITH DOMESTIC MATTER IF WE COULD HELP HER.
AND I HAD TO TELL THEM IT'S NOT AVAILABLE, RIGHT? THERE ARE LOTS OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SEE MEDIATION AVAILABLE TO THEM IN FAMILY MATTERS AS WELL AS DISTRICT COURT MATTERS.
UM, THIS, THESE, THESE, I TOLD YOU, UH, DISTRICT COURT CASES THAT PEOPLE HAVE SOME MORE WORN OUT ON JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO OTHER PLACE TO GO OR A NEIGHBORHOOD DISPUTE, UM, VANDALISM MATTER CASES THAT COULD BE, UM, PULLING AWAY FROM DISTRICT COURT IN HANDLED EFFECTIVELY AT NO CHARGE TO THE CITIZEN MEDIATORS THAT SO FAR WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE STUDENT ON PROGRAM, TELL YOU ALL ABOUT HOW LOG REPORTS ARE AND HOW THIS WOULD REALLY BE A WONDERFUL THING TO NOT ONLY OUR COURT SYSTEM, BUT TO OUR CITIZENS.
IT WOULD HELP WITH THE SUBPOENAS.
UM, THE TIME THAT IS USED UP BY POLICEMEN AND ALSO SHERIFFS SERVING SUBPOENAS TO PEOPLE IS THOSE PEOPLE COULD BE INSTEAD OF SERVICE, DOING THINGS THAT POLICEMEN ARE TRYING TO DO.
UH, I GUESS I SHOULD ADDRESS THIS TO THE CITY MANAGER.
ANY REASON THAT THIS RULE COULD NOT BE USED FOR SOME OF THAT SINCE THIS WAS ORIGINALLY IN COURTROOM AND SEEMS TO BE UNDER UTILIZED REALLY MOST OF THE WEEK, THERE'S NO REASON THAT IT COULDN'T BE USED AT THE BOARD TO BE USED FOR THAT PURPOSE.
I WOULD THINK THAT THEY MIGHT IN THE KIND OF ATMOSPHERE THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO RESOLVE DISPUTES.
THIS MIGHT BE A LITTLE MORE FORMAL THAN THEY ARE REALLY LOOKING FOR.
I THINK WE HAD TALKED ABOUT PROVIDING THEM WITH SOME OFFICE SPACE DOWN AT THE NEW RESOURCE CENTER.
THAT'S GOING TO BE DOWN AT DALE CONNOR HOUSE.
AND THAT I THINK IS STILL A VERY GOOD POSSIBILITY FOR SOME INCOME CONTRIBUTIONS AT THE CITY OF MIAMI.
UM, ANYBODY ELSE, UH, STOP SHARING THE MICROPHONE OR SOMETHING TONIGHT.
UM, BUT I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE RIVERSIDE TO A MYSTERY FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND A CONSIDERATION FOR THE AREA
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OF NATIONAL AVENUE DOWN THE STREET AND BURN STREET.WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE, UH, AREA OF RIVERSIDE, UH, UH, IMPROVED AS MUCH AS WE CAN, YOU KNOW, VERY, VERY AFRICAN THAT AREA.
UH, WE MADE A PRESENTATION, GAVE IT TO ALL AND REALLY FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, I THINK TWO TO THREE WEEKS AGO FOR YOUR LUMINARY MEETING, UH, TO IMPROVE THAT AREA, TO GET SOME SIDEWALKS LAID IN THERE.
MATTER OF FACT, WHEN YOU TRAVEL DONE STRAIGHT, THERE'S NO WAY THAT YOU CAN GET ON NATIONAL AVENUE THAT DRIVING THE TRAIN TRACKS AS IT CROSSES THERE.
SO YOU'VE GOT A SAFETY PROBLEM AND EVERYTHING ELSE WITHIN THAT AREA.
UH, AS I SAID, I'M SPEAKING FOR RIVERSIDE ASSOCIATION WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR THEM TO STAND UP SO YOU CAN SEE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE ONE PERSON SPEAKING, SPEAKING.
UH, SO, UM, I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A DISCUSSION.
I THINK IT WAS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF AROUND $20,000, BUT THERE IS NO SIDEWALKS IN THERE AND IT'S A REALLY A BAD AREA.
AND THEN WE CAN DO TO IMPROVE IT.
I'M SURE INCREASE THE TAX BASE AND CITIZEN ON BEHALF OF, UH, THE AREA HAS IMPROVED.
AND I THINK WE'VE MADE THE IMPROVEMENTS AND IT'S GOOD FOR THE CITY MAYOR.
I WOULD LIKE TO INFORM YOU OF YOUR REPRESENTATIVE, BARBARA LEE.
SHE FOUGHT US VERY WELL IN THE BUDGET SESSION.
UH, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE AMOUNT IS.
BARBARA D. MAY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT SHE, SHE BOUGHT.
SO SHE KEPT US THERE FOR ABOUT AN HOUR AND WHATNOT.
I HAVE ALSO CONNECTIONS WITH MR. PRICE ON TENDON PETITION, A PETITION FROM OTHER READ EVIDENCE, IF THERE'S ASIDE FROM THE SUPPORT, THE REQUEST FOR THE IMPROVEMENT.
SO WE LIKE IT IS IN THE BUDGET THAT WE WILL BE DOING THAT IMPROVEMENT TO THAT BLOCK.
BE ABLE TO SPEND AS MUCH MONEY HIM, BUT WE WILL BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING.
AND DANNY MATTERS HAS OUTLINED HERE TONIGHT.
HE CAN SHOW YOU THE CITY'S PROPOSAL, IF YOU LIKE, WE'RE NOT YESTERDAY TO SPEND A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY JUST AT WORK.
AND THEY AGREED THAT THAT AREA DOES NEED IMPROVEMENT.
AND THEY DID ALLOCATE FUNDS AND DIABETIC, THE CITY PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR TO IMPROVE THAT AREA.
AS YOU EXPRESSED, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I THINK BARBARA LEE, YOU MADE THE SAME STATEMENT THAT JIM MADE DON'T CARE WHAT THE SPEED IS, JUST GET IT DONE, RIGHT? YEAH.
DON'T LET THE SIZE OF THE PAPER IN THE FLAT AND ON THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT.
UH,
HOW DOES THAT LOOK BEFORE WE GET INTO THE CAR AND THEN
IF WE GET IN THAT AT ALL, WE CAN PROBABLY CONNECT CURVES THROUGH WHATEVER, WHATEVER WE'LL USE.
SOME THINGS THAT, AGAIN, DO NOT KNOWING I CAN'T TAKE OFF THE BEGINNING OR THE END DOESN'T MATTER HOW MUCH
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AND YOU GOT TO PLAN IT ANDTHEN YOU BEGIN TO SEE HOW YOU CAN CONTRIBUTE.
I WOULD SAY, AND I JUST GOING TO JUMP IN HERE, BECAUSE I THINK WHAT THE BOARD DID AT THE BUDGET SESSION WAS TO ASK FOR A PROJECT THAT WOULD DEFINE THE CORNER OF THEIR, WHICH MEANS TO ACTUALLY MAYBE DO SOME PLANNINGS AND A LITTLE BIT OF CURBING GUTTER THAT WOULD NOT BE MORE THAN FOUR OR $5,000.
AND I WOULD SAY THAT AT A MINIMUM, YOU WOULD GET THAT THIS YEAR, IF WE, AND WHAT HAPPENS USUALLY IS WE SPEND SOMETIMES WE BUDGET FOR PROJECTS AND WE DON'T SPEND QUITE THAT MUCH.
AND WHEN WE HAVE MONEY THAT SLEPT OVER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE'LL LOOK BACK AT THAT PROJECT.
AS WE GO THROUGH THIS YEAR, MAYBE DO SOME MORE THERE, PERHAPS DO A LOT MORE.
WE JUST DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT.
AND THEN IF WHATEVER IS UNADDRESSED, AND OF COURSE YOU CAN ADDRESS THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET AS WE GO ALONG AT LEAST THE LAST THREE YEARS, WORKING INDIVIDUALLY ON PROBLEMS. AND IN ORDER FOR ALL OF THAT TO MEAN SOMETHING, WE NOW GET INVOLVED WITH THE CITY TO GET THESE KINDS OF THINGS DONE.
AND QUITE HONESTLY, THIS IS JUST A VERY,
AND WE SHOULD ALSO SAY AGAIN,
PRESENTLY, UH, LOTS OF CRIME, LOTS OF PLANES THAT SHOULDN'T BE IN THAT COMMUNITY THAT COULD BE CORRECTED THAT THESE WERE HOMES THAT WERE OWNED BY LOW-INCOME PEOPLE.
NOW YOU CAN PICK THESE PLACES UP FOR SOMETHING MIGHT LIKE BETWEEN 15 AND $20,000 PER UNIT COST OF THE TOTAL COST OF THAT COMMUNITY WOULD BE SOMETHING ON THE ORDER OF $500,000 OR LESS.
AND I'M SURE YOU COULD WORK IN ARRANGEMENT WITH THE BANKS TO WORK WITH YOU ON THIS WITH THE EXPRESS, UNDERSTAND THAT, TO PUT THESE BACK IN THE HANDS OF PEOPLE WHO COULD NOT AFFORD HIGHER INCOME HOMES.
I THINK WE SAW THIS PROPERTY GOING TO INDIVIDUALS RATHER THAN RECORDS OR PEOPLE WHO ARE IT.
YOU'LL SEE THAT COMMUNITY TURNED AROUND AND TURNED OUT TO BE SOMETHING WHAT'S NICE IN THE MORNING.
PRESENTLY IS I SPOKE WITH BARBARA AND A FEW OTHERS, THE MAYOR AND THE POLICE CHIEF WHO'S PRESENTLY, UH, HAMSTRUNG THAT'S ON THE THING.
WELL, IT'S ENDING NOW UNDERSTAND THE VACATING THAT PROPERTY, AND IT'LL GET YOU TO GO BACK TO HUT.
I THINK IT'S A SHAME THAT WE DON'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE THESE PEOPLE WITH HOMES THAT ARE LESS THAN $30,000 ON REHAB.
YOU AREN'T GONNA BE ABLE TO BUILD HOUSES LIKE THAT, OR BE ABLE TO EVER PROVIDE THAT KIND OF HOME TO ANYBODY FOR THAT KIND OF PRICE.
I WAS HOPING SOMETHING WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THIS BUDGET TO ADDRESS THAT STUFF.
I DON'T THINK IT HAS TO BE ALL THAT MUCH.
I THINK IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD SHOW THAT YOU HAVE A COMMITMENT HERE AND GET THE BANKS INVOLVED.
AND I THINK YOU'D FIND THAT THERE IS A WAY TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN WITH HUD.
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SEE ANYTHING HAPPENING.I'M TERRIBLY BOTHERED BY IT BECAUSE AS I UNDERSTAND IT, EVERY ONE OF THOSE UNITS IS BEEN VACATED AND THEY'RE ALL BEING FORECLOSED ON.
AND THEY'RE ALL AVAILABLE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 15 AND $20,000.
AND THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT'S TOO LARGE FOR SOMEONE LIKE MYSELF OR OTHERS TO TAKE ON AS INDIVIDUALS, BUT IT'S NOT TOO LARGE FOR THE CITY TO ADDRESS AND CLEAN UP A VERY BAD CRIME INFESTED AREA.
THAT'S A VERY NICE COMMUNITY, OTHERWISE THE WRONG AND UNDER I SPOKE WITH YOU.
I SPOKE WITH, I SPOKE WITH THE MAYOR.
I SPOKE WITH THE POLICE CHIEF.
I WAS HOPING PERHAPS WE'D GET SOMETHING IN THIS BUDGET.
I UNDERSTAND THE COMPANY HAD A BUDGET.
I THINK IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THIS OPPORTUNITY VERY OFTEN.
WHAT WOULD I DO THE MOST WHEN YOU TALK TO ME SOUND LIKE THE FOOD FOR THAT STILL IS, IN MY OPINION, WAS TALKED TO THE HOUSING PROGRAM.
JAY SAID THAT YOU HAD SPOKE WITH ME.
IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, THESE HOUSES AVAILABLE.
IT'S HOW ARE YOU GETTING THE KIND OF THINGS OF HOUSES HURRY UP KIND OF THING.
AND TO ME, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT PROJECT FOR THE CITY, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE SEEM TO BE LAGGING A BID ON ANOTHER HOUSE, IN A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING INTO.
THIS WAS, TO ME, THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION.
THAT'S JUST NO WAY LIMITED ABOUT THAT.
I DO KNOW ABOUT THE SITUATION.
IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA, BUT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, LOTS OF TAPE ON A PROJECT LIKE THAT, IT WOULD REQUIRE US TO BE ABLE TO LOOK INTO IT FURTHER THAN TO SAY, YOU KNOW, OKAY, WELL, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S AVAILABLE AND YOU HAVE TO GET IT.
NOW, WALK US, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALWAYS DOING ON, BUT AS IF IT, FOR NOW, IF IT WENT INTO FORECLOSURE AND THERE WAS ENOUGH TIME THAT OUR CITY COULD LOOK INTO FUNDING FOR PROJECTS AND THE GALAXY AND US GETTING IN, WHEN IT BECOMES CLEAR AND AVAILABLE AT THAT TIME, I THINK WHAT WAS HAPPENING WAS THAT MR. WHOEVER THE OWNER WAS, WAS IN FORECLOSURE AND VACCINE, NOBODY WAS CLAIMING RESPONSIBILITY AT THAT POINT.
AND WHEN IT BECOMES CLEAR AND IF IT BECOMES AVAILABLE, I THINK IT'S WORTH THE CITY MOVING INTO POSSIBLY A HOUSING PRODUCT THERE.
NOW, THOSE OF THEM WHO WORKED IN OUR STAFF WHO WERE MORE FAMILIAR WITH NO MATTER HOW TO APPROACH THAT, BUT NOT, YOU KNOW, AS QUICKLY AS IT HAS BEEN IMPULSIVELY, IT SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN COMING.
YOU DON'T HAVE MUCH TIME TO MOVE ON THESE KINDS OF THINGS, RIGHT? I THINK IF YOU SPOKE WITH HUD AND DEALT WITH THE BANKS AND TOLD THEM THE MORTGAGES IS ON THESE HOMES, YOU COULD PROBABLY HAVE MADE A RANGE TO, TO PULL OFF ANY, UH, ANY OF THE FORECLOSURE PROCEEDINGS AND TAKE IT ON AS A, AS A TOTAL CITY WIDE PROJECT.
WHAT HAPPENED THREE MONTHS AGO.
IT'S EASIER TO, TO RESPOND AS A PRIVATE INVESTOR TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, AS IMPOSSIBLY OR AS QUICKLY AS NEEDED TO THEN AS A CITYWIDE PROJECT, WHERE THE FUNDS THAT ARE BEING SPENT WOULD BE FUNDS THAT BELONG TO THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY.
IT WOULD NEED TO HAVE MORE INFORMATION AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO PROJECT BETTER.
AND LIKE I SAY, I DON'T, I DON'T DISPUTE YOU, MR. I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU AT ALL.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, I AGREE WITH YOU.
IT'S JUST A TIMEFRAME TO BE WAS A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE FOR ME.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHICH WAY WE CAN GO.
I BELIEVE THAT IF, AND WHEN IT DID BECOME AVAILABLE AND WAS ON THE AUCTION, IT WAS AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE OR DEVELOPMENT.
THEN AT THAT TIME, THE CITY COULD DO SOMETHING.
IF IT DIDN'T HAPPEN, IF IT HADN'T BEEN SOLD OR WHATEVER WAS GOING ON NOW IS A GOOD TIME.
BUT AT THAT TIME IT WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN HERE AND IT'S AVAILABLE.
WE'RE HAVING SOME PROBLEMS BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS WITH PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE, YOU KNOW, VERSUS ONE, IN ANY EVENT, IF THERE WAS A FORECLOSURE AND THE PEOPLE HAD TO MOVE IN ANY EVENT, IF THE CITY HAD ACQUIRED STEEL, OKAY.
SO WHAT I'M SAYING, AND SO NOW THAT IT COULD POSSIBLY BE, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S AVAILABLE NOW, BUT NOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THINGS HAVE BEEN SORT OF SLACKED OFF AND ALL THE PRIVATE AND PERSONAL PEOPLE BACK OUT AND IT BECOMES AVAILABLE AND WAS SALE, THEN MAYBE THE CITY CAN LOOK INTO IT AND POSSIBLY IT GOES TO MIKE, YOU YOU'RE THE PLANNER.
AND HE SAYS, HE SPOKE WITH YOU, WHAT'S YOUR REPLY? UH, I THINK THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME MERIT TO THE PROPOSAL.
I THINK THE DIFFICULTY WE WERE HAVING WITH IT AT THE TIME WAS ONE AVAILABILITY OF FUNDS TO APPROACH THE PROJECT WOULD HAVE TO BE LOCAL GENERAL FUND MONIES TO GO THROUGH TO THE PROGRAM.
AND BECAUSE OF THE TIMEFRAME THAT YOU HAVE TO BE SURE MY APPLICATIONS TO STATE OR FEDERAL FUNDING THE CAR IS, UH, THE TIME DRAGON WE HAD ON THE SALE WAS NOT LONG ENOUGH, UH, TO TAKE THAT
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INTO CONSIDERATION.AND, UH, THE SECOND WAS JUST THE FACT THAT WE WERE UP TO OUR NEXT AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT AT THE TIME.
AND, UH, SIX, WE'RE GOING TO BE HIRING ANNOUNCING OFFICER
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS, UM, PUTTING OUR EDITORS FOR FINISHING A CDBG SO WE CAN QUALIFY FOR THIS NEXT ROUND.
AND WE JUST RECEIVED, UM, UH,
BY THE TIME YOU GET DONE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE, I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING HIT.
IT DIDN'T GROW, WHETHER SHE KID'S CHRISTMAS LIST OR ANYTHING ELSE, THAT'S JUST THE SAME AS A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.
WHAT KIND OF, WHERE ARE WE GOING TO GET A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS SOMEBODY TO PUT IT BLUNTLY? I MEAN, IS THERE A FEDERAL FUNDS THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR HALF A MILLION OR, OR JUST, THEY'RE PROBABLY THE BEST SOURCE THAT I CAN THINK OF MIGHT BE SOMETHING THROUGH ONE, THE HOUSING
AND ALSO PERHAPS INVOLVED IN SOME OF THE BANKS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN MEETING SOME OF THE CRA COMMUNITY REINVESTMENT ACT SLOTS, WHICH TAKE A GROUP OF PEOPLE WORKING ON IT AT ANY TIME YOU FOCUS ON IT AND YOU COULD IDENTIFY, LIKE I SAID, SOME OF THOSE SOURCES, WHICH IS PROBABLY HOUSING FINANCE AGENCY DESK.
WELL, I KEEP HEARING YOU SAY TIME IS THE REASON THAT NOTHING WAS DONE.
IT WAS, EVERYBODY WAS TOO BUSY.
IN OTHER WORDS, IT IS A POSSIBLE PROJECT.
IT'S NOT AN IMPOSSIBLE THING TO DO.
IT'S NOT AN IMPOSSIBLE THING TO DO.
YOU JUST HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE THAT CAN HAVE THE TIME TO WORK ON IT AND DO THE COORDINATION, PUT THE PACKAGES TOGETHER, FIND WHAT YOUR BUDDIES, I THINK WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND HERE.
THE CITY WAS CONSIDERING TAKING ON BUILDING HOUSES THEN AROUND 45 TO $55,000 A PIECE ON LAND THAT BELONG TO THE CITY.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 65, 70 $5,000 INVESTING IN HOMES, THE SAME ORDER BACK.
AND IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE NOT TO GO UP.
IT'S SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WHICH IS ABOUT HALF THE PRICE AND WOULD REACH PROBABLY TWICE AS MANY PEOPLE WHEN IT'S ALL THAT, THAT'S JUST AN OPPORTUNITY.
BUT REMEMBER, YEAH, BUT REMEMBER THE HOMES THAT WERE GOING TO BE BUILT, WASN'T GOING TO BE PAID BY US.
THAT THAT WAS, I'M TALKING ABOUT THESE HOMES BEING BOUGHT BY THE PEOPLE YOU REHAB.
THESE ARE HOMES THAT WOULD BE TURNED BACK AND EVERYONE SHOULD HAPPEN.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T GET THIS ONE.
BUT IT'S STILL, YOU GOT TO UNDERSTAND THAT PROJECT.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WAS IN THE PROCESS FOUR YEAR, MAYBE TWO YEARS.
I MEAN, IT JUST, IT'S NOT SOMETHING TO JUST DROP OUT OF THE SKY.
IT STARTED ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO WHEN IT COMES TO THE FORECLOSURES.
AND THIS IS WHEN WE BROUGHT IT UP ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO, WE FIRST ANNOUNCED THESE WERE BEING CLOSED OUT.
AND WHY ISN'T THE CITY IN THERE AND TAKE AN ACTION.
WE WEREN'T BUILDING THE HOUSE.
YOU ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT TWO MINUTES.
HE'S TALKING ABOUT CLOSING OUT THE ONES THAT WERE FOUR O'CLOCK, BUT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT BILL OF
THE MONEY FOR US IS NOT AVAILABLE TO DO THE PROJECT TODAY.
MIKE, YOU SAID IT COULD BE POSSIBLE TO BE, I'M SIMPLY SAYING TO BILL THE SAME TYPE OF HOUSE FOR A LOT LESS MONEY REHAB.
THESE, YOU CLEAN UP THE MURRAY MUSLIM COMMUNITY.
OH, I MAYBE I THINK ALL OF A SUDDEN THE BOARD, I THINK ALL OF US ON THE BOARD WOULD AGREE TO THAT.
IT'S JUST THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY.
AND THE STAFF HAS MADE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY HAVE NOT SOUGHT THE MONEY YET.
THIS IS JUST LAST YEAR INTO IT.
AND YOU COME BACK AND TELL US ROBERT, YOU OWNED IT SHOCKED ME SO BAD SINCE YOU NORMALLY DON'T PUSH THAT BUTTON.
ANYBODY ELSE? ANY BOYER? I MEAN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CLOSE THE BUDGET HEARINGS.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
NOW THE ACCEPTANCE THAT BUDGET IS IN THE CONSENT AGENDA RIGHT NOW.
YOU CAN'T, YOU NEED TO ADOPT A BUDGET ORDINANCE HERE.
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THAT'S THE FINAL AMENDMENT BUDGET IS IN THE CONSENT AGENDA.NOW HE'S SAYING THAT IT WAS LAST YEARS.
ANY DISCUSSION? UH, I GUESS YOU'D CALL IT A REBEL ON MAN.
AND MIKE, DID YOU MAKE NOTE TO CHECK IN ON THAT SITUATION AND COME BACK AT LEAST WITH A FEASIBILITY, LOOK AT IT.
IN OTHER WORDS, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S SOME DEAD IN THE WATER ISSUE AND THEY NEED TO KNOW IT AND IF IT'S POSSIBLE AND COME BACK WITH SOME, WITH SOME CHOICES ON MR. MAYOR, EXCUSE ME, I WOULD LIKE IF IT'S, IF IT'S OKAY WITH THE RESTAURANT BOARD, I WOULD LIKE ITEM SEVEN, MOVED UP AND TAKEN UP NEXT BECAUSE THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE ENTRANCE TO THE RIVERSIDE AREA, FIND THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION OF THE CITY ON THE OTHER END.
AND THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE FROM RIVERSIDE, WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THE BEAUTIFICATION, RIVERSIDE AND ONGOING, UH, IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS THERE.
AND I WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO BE HERE FOR THIS, I'D LIKE TO GET THEIR FEELINGS ON IT BECAUSE IT DOES HAVE TO DO WITH THE ENTRANCE TO THE RIVERSIDE AREA.
A LOT OF PEOPLE RIVERSIDE FOR THE SAME THING.
IF THEY DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP TO SEVEN NEXT, HOW ABOUT YOUR FOLKS STICKING AROUND? SO I HAVE TO GET YOUR INPUT ON, LET'S JUST SEE HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT SOMETIMES YOU WANT TO PINCH YOURSELF AND SAY, IS THIS THE REALITY OR IS THAT LAST NIGHT IS NIGHTMARE.
UH, WHERE AM I NOW? ARE WE ON NUMBER SIX NOW? YES, MA'AM GOOD.
PUBLIC HEARING AND ADOPT AN ORDINANCE ON THE QUESTION OF CLOSING A PORTION OF B STREET.
SO, UH, CAUSE SOMEBODY'S GONNA TELL US WHY WE NEED TO DO THAT.
MIKE IS THAT KEY IS GREG TELLING YOU WHY? OKAY.
I LIKE IT WHEN IT'S ALL PLAYING.
AS SOON AS I GET TO THAT, MR.
IF MOST OF THEM I'M SURE MAY WITH US, THERE ARE SEVEN SETS OF TRACKS THAT CROSS THE STREET THAT IS BASICALLY THE SWITCHING AREA OR NORMAL
WHEN WE GOT THAT REQUEST, THE, UH, SELF AND OTHERS LOOK AT THE AREA, IT IS NEUTRALIZE.
UM, TO A DEGREE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC DID A TRAFFIC COUNTER THERE A COUPLE OF DAYS.
I THINK IT AVERAGES 11 HOUR ON A 48 HOUR PERIOD.
WE DID NOT SEE HOW MANY REPEAT VEHICLES, BUT THAT IS NOT A VOLUME OF TRAFFIC, UH, ALSO TO BE CONSIDERED AT THE SAME TIME WHEN THIS PROCESSING IS THAT
IT SLOWS THAT, UH, STREET FROM DUSK TO DAWN EACH DAY BECAUSE OF THE SWITCHING THAT GOES ON, UH, PRIMARILY AT NIGHT.
SO IT IS NOT, UH, AT ONE TIME IT DID CLOSE IT, CLOSE IT.
AND, UH, FOR YEARS THEY DID RELIGIOUS, UH, WE IN, IN LOOKING AT, AND NOT THE TRAUMA, THAT IT WOULD BE A, A MAJOR PROBLEM TO ANYONE TO FLOOD.
THE FACT THAT THIS BOAT ACROSS THE RAILROAD IN ITSELF WAS ENOUGH TO CAUSE MOST OF NOT TO GO THAT WAY.
I'M SURE THERE'S SOME SENTIMENT, BOTH WAYS.
SOME FOLKS WANT TO SAY WE NEED IT.
UH, SOME SAY WE DON'T, BUT FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT OR AGENCY SERVICES STANDPOINT, UH,
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STAFF HAS NOT FOUND THAT IT IS TRUE, THE NECESSARY AND PROBABLY IN THE LONG RUN, IT WILL, WE'LL PROBABLY CYCLE ALL THAT RAN UP TO A TOTAL.SO THAT'S SWAPPED OUR RECOMMENDATIONS OR IT WOULD BE OPEN TO PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC AS LONG AS THEY DO IN BETWEEN, IT WOULD BE OKAY.
IS THERE ANYBODY HERE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK FORWARD OR A UNIT GOT SOMEBODY COMING UP
AND I GOT TO SEE MY KIDS GO ACROSS THE STREET, INSTEAD OF THEM CLOSING IT OUT COMPLETELY THAT THEY WOULD HAVE THAT.
WELL, ONE DAY SOMEBODY WILL TAKE THE CHANCE OF TRYING, OR THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WALK ALL THE WAY.
SO WE HAVE HAD SOME, I LIVED HERE SINCE 1989 AND WHEN I FIRST MOVED HERE, THERE WAS A CHILD JUST BECAUSE HE'S ON THE TRAIN.
AND YOU KNOW, AS SOON AS THAT, NOT THAT
EVEN THOUGH THEY SAID, KEEP IT UP, KEEP IT OUT.
AND IT JUST, IT, EVERY TIME, MAYBE ON THE WEEKENDS, BUT JUST LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE TRAVELS TO ONE YEAR
AND JUST LIKE THAT YOU OPEN THE AIR, TRAVEL TRAVELS, IT COME BACK.
YOU CONCERN WITH THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE CLOSE TO THE DESERT STEEL WALL.
THAT'S NOTHING'S GOING TO CHANGE THERE.
IF IT'S STILL OPEN, IF IT WILL BE OPEN TO PEDESTRIAN AND TRAFFIC MASTER ASKED THE QUESTION.
SO THAT'S NOT ONE OF THE THING, PERIOD.
I HAD THE SAME CONCERN ABOUT, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT NEEDED TO BE DONE, BUT SOMETHING COULD BE DONE WITH A YOUNG BOY, GOT KILLED OVER THERE AT THE TIME.
AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR I WAS DRIVING PAST AND I STOPPED.
IT WAS A REAL YOUNG KID AND GET STEPPED DOWN INTO TRACKS.
AND THEN IT WAS A CAR COMING AND I WAS COMING THE OTHER WAY AND CABLE LIKE PANIC.
CAUSE YOU KNOW, I CAN'T GIVE HIM A FIVE GUY, SO WE BOTH STOPPED.
BUT YOU KNOW, THEN I SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, DON'T NEED TO GO HERE.
BUT I KNOW THAT THE TUBE HAD HAD TO GO FOR WHATSAPP LIMITED, BEING ABLE TO GO FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER, THEN WE DON'T HAVE TROUBLE.
YOU KNOW, LIKE SOMETIMES IT CAN BE VERY FEARLESS THAT OTHER WAY, INSTEAD OF WALKING AROUND THE ROADWAY, MR. WARD NEEDS TO MAKE A COMMENT ILLEGALLY.
UM, AS A BOARD, THE MATTER BEFORE YOU IS THE CLOSING OF THAT PORTION OF THE STREET, WHICH IS UNDER THOSE TRACKS, THE ORDINANCE ADDRESSES THE CLOSING
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OF THE STREET.IT INCLUDES THE RESERVATION OF YOU DONE THE EASEMENT UNDER THAT AREA, WHICH HAS TO BE CLOSED.
THE ORDINANCE DOES NOT ADDRESS THAT CAN TRACK PERIOD.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YEAH.
I UNDERSTOOD THAT THE ORDINANCE DOES NOT SAY THAT PEOPLE CAN WALK BACK AND FORTH, BUT THE ONE THAT SAYS UNDER THAT GENERAL STATUTES, THAT AREA OF THE STREET WOULD BE CLOSED.
SO THERE WOULD NO LONGER BE A STREET, BUT IT DOESN'T PRECLUDE THEM FROM WALKING, PROHIBIT THEM FROM WALKING.
SO SNOWPLOW REALLY
SOMEBODY STARTED 10, SIX NORTH STREET FROM THE CONCERNED CITIZENS, TRI COUNTY AREA.
I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT CLOTHES.
THE STREET I BEEN FIND OUT NOW AND GET READY TO CLOSE THE STREET OFF.
LET'S CUT THE WAY THAT I HAD OUT.
NOW I KNOW THAT SOMETIMES I HAD A HOUSE TO CATCH ON FIRE TWICE.
AND WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU CLOSED THAT STREET, IT'S NOBODY'S FAULT.
PROPER KID NOT SUPPOSED TO GO ON WITH DEATH.
I KNOW FIVE TRUCKS, THE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONE REPRESENT PEOPLE AND THE PEOPLE DON'T COME FORWARD, BUT YOU GOT RE-UPPED AT A MINIMUM AND IT'S KIND TOUGH.
SOMEBODY
THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO CUT THEM ALL THE WAY THEY CAN GET THEIR GIRL AROUND.
MOST OF YOU KNOW ABOUT SHORTCUTS.
I REMEMBER I USED TO GO TO SCHOOL AT FIVE.
I TRIED TO FIND EVERY SHORTCUT I COULD TO GET THAT.
AND SAME THING WE NEED OVER THERE IN THAT AREA, SOMETHING HAPPENS.
ALMOST LIKE THE DEFENDANT, TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT WENT ON THAT SIDE HAD ANOTHER OUT.
WHEN THEY CAN GO UP SALMON STREET, THEY GOT TO GO PLAYING AROUND.
AND I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S ADDRESSING THE NEEDS OF ALL THE
I'VE BEEN LIVING THERE 16 YEARS.
AND THEN, AND NOW WE SAY YOU THAT KNOW THEM, KNOW THAT A LOT STAYED RIGHT CLOSE TO RAILROAD TRACK THAT THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO TRAVEL.
BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S A SPIT IN THE FACE, BUT DON'T FEEL THERE.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN THEY BARRICADE THAT PLACE, NOT TO PULL OFF THAT RAILROAD RAILROAD, THEY HAVE OUT THERE.
IF YOU GO ACROSS THOSE TRACKS AND YOU'RE GETTING HURT NOW THAT OLD MAN, YOU GET, YOU HAVE A BETTER CHANCE, BUT IF THEY CLOSED THE DOOR AND YOU GO ACROSS
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AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO CROSS THAT TRACK AND WE GOT TO GO WRONG, WE GOT TO CRAWL ON THE CAR, THE ROOF WALK, THE WALKWAY CRAWL, THEN CRAWL ON THE TRAIN IS NOT GOING TO BE IN THE SAME WAY.IN FACT, IT'S GOING TO BE UNSAFE, MISS THAT'S THE WAY I FEEL ABOUT IT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BOARD WILL DO.
SO YOU MIGHT BE MORE READY TO GO ALONG WITH IT, BUT I'M DEFINITELY CONCERNED TO THE DEVIL BECAUSE A LOT OF, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
YOU'VE BEEN TOLD THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE NO PROBLEMS WHERE YOU GO FOR ALL, YOU
IT MIGHT TAKE CARE OF
CAN YOU RE-EXPLAIN OR THE NECESSITY OF CLOSING THE STREET? SOMEONE, ANYONE? I THINK MR. MADIS HAS BEEN THROUGH THE LIABILITY THAT THE RAILROAD FIELDS THAT THEY HAVE AND, UH, AND WE AGREE THAT IT DOES HAVE SOME LIABILITY THERE.
AND SO, UH, BECAUSE OF WHAT NOW WE AGREE THAT THERE IS SOME LIABILITY THERE THAT THE RAILROAD FACES AS A RESULT OF THAT.
AND SO, UH, AFTER LOOKING AT IT AND LOOKING AT THE TRAFFIC COUNT AND EVERYTHING, IT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE THAT THERE'S ENOUGH TRAFFIC TO REALLY JUSTIFY KEEPING IT OPEN OR AT LEAST TO DENY THEIR REQUEST.
UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY EMERGENCY VEHICLES WHO RESPOND TO EMERGENCY CALLS OVER THAT STREET.
AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE HAVING ANY.
AND SO IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE FIRE RESPONSE OR THE POLICE RESPONSE AS IT IS PRESENTLY CONSTITUTED.
SO THAT'S JUST OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE WOULD GO AHEAD AND DO IT.
WE THINK IT IS A LIABILITY ALSO.
WELL, I'M PERSONALLY DISAPPOINTED THAT MR. SAMSON THINKS THAT THE POORER PEOPLE IN DEATHLY FAIL DON'T COUNT.
AND I THINK HE KNOWS WHY I'M PERSONALLY DISAPPOINTED THAT YOU, THAT YOU THINK YOU HAD TO FEEL IT BECAUSE I KNOW PERSONALLY THAT THAT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING RIGHT.
PEOPLE IN DUFFY FIELD HAVE COUNTED AND THEY HAVE HAD ATTENTION AND THEY WILL CONTINUE TO GET ATTENTION.
AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A MATTER TO THIS BOARD OF A LITTLE GUY GETTING ONE OVER AND THE BIG GUY GETTING AWAY WITH DOING WHAT HE WANTS.
SO ANYBODY ELSE GOT ANYTHING TO BRING UP ABOUT IT? MR. MAY I HAVE A QUESTION, DANNY? HOW FAR IS IT FROM THERE TO THE NEAREST NEXT NEAREST CROSSING? I DON'T HAVE A MAP HERE.
WE'RE BASICALLY ONE MORE BLOCK, BASICALLY THREE, 400 YARDS.
WHEN YOU CAN GET A CYPRESS STREET AND RIGHT OUT ON THE STREET, AND THEN YOU CROSS, IT'S A BLOCK MOVING AT A TIME THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO TAKE TO CROSS THE TRACKS, THE SEVEN TRACKS.
AND YOU BROUGHT THE NOTES ON EVEN THE TIME YOU'VE WASTED TO GET YOUR CAR ACROSS WITHOUT
YOU WILL BE BACK AROUND THE NECK.
THAT IS NOT AN ISSUE I'M USING THE B STREET CROSSING A LOT, BUT THAT'S THE ONE I NORMALLY USE IN THAT AREA.
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MY CONCERN IS FOR ANYBODY ON EITHER SIDE.UM, AND SOME OF THEM MAY KNOW A LITTLE IN THE CORNER, NATIONAL AVENUE AND EIGHTH STREET AT ABOUT, WITHIN A BLOCK, MY HOUSE AT ABOUT TIME, THE NEWS, BECAUSE IT IS THE LAST MOST FRIGHTENING.
AND I'VE BEEN IN THAT HOUSE GOING ON NINE YEARS AND THERE ARE STILL EVENINGS WHEN THE BANDS, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU GET USED TO, THERE ARE NIGHTS WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU, WHEN IT HAPPENS AND IT REALLY DOESN'T PAY.
AND THEN THERE ARE OTHER TIMES WHERE THE SOUND IS REDNESS, ANY CHILD OR ANYBODY ON A BICYCLE IS CROSSING ANYWHERE WITHIN THAT AREA, CONNECT, SWITCHED, SWITCH.
I MEAN, MY HOUSE ACTUALLY SHAKES.
I HAVE WORK IS A TREMENDOUS THING.
AND I THINK THAT AGAIN, IN THE FUTURE, THE RAILROAD WILL DO ABOUT THAT.
UM, IT MAY BE THAT THEY WILL STRETCH THAT OUT, BUT IT IS JUST THE, AND THE NOISE MAKES YOU THINK WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN TO SOMEBODY
DID YOU GET HER NAME FOR THE RECORD? COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME? I COULD.
I'M SUPPOSED TO ASK EVERYBODY TO STATE THE NAME OF THE DRESS AND I KEEP FORGETTING.
SO SHE GOES WACKY OVER HERE, TRYING TO MAKE A NAME FOR THE FACE.
IT'S NOT EASY FOLLOWING ME AS MAYOR.
I'M MOVING CLOSE THE PUBLIC HERE.
WE'RE CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND SAY, OKAY, GO AHEAD.
YEAH, I HAVEN'T BEEN IN AND UH, I LIKE TO STAY THERE.
I, YOU KNOW, IT'S A BUSINESS CONCERN IS YES.
ON LINE SIX IN ONE HAND, HALF DOZEN, ANOTHER SOMETHING.
I WAS HOPING THAT WE JUST GO AWAY AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE
THERE WERE PEOPLE ON THE STREET WHO CALLED IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE STREET.
THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THAT STREET.
AND THERE WAS A ONE PERSON WHO WAS OPPOSED TO THE CLOSING OF IT BECAUSE OF THE SAFETY OF THE CHILDREN.
MY PERSONAL OPINION IS, AND I'VE HAD A PROBLEM.
LIKE I TOLD YOU BEFORE WITH PEOPLE GOING ACROSS THERE IS REALLY NOT A GOOD PLACE TO CROSS IN MY OPINION FOR ME.
BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE HAD CALLS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE.
AND THERE HAVE BEEN MANY PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN TONE IN DEPTH, DELIRIOUS SEPARATION, CUSTODY THAT WILL CAUSE YOU KNOW, SEPARATION ISSUES IN THE COMMUNITY IS THE DAD WOULD HATE TO SEE PEOPLE FEEL THAT WAY.
DID THAT BECOMES THE CLOSING OF THE STREET, A VERY SHARP STREET.
WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE THAT SIGNIFIES ANYWAY, THAT THE CITY IS DIVIDED ITSELF, BLACK AND WHITE, WHO ARE AFFLUENT.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT TO BE TRUE.
MY OPINION IS, LIKE I SAID, I LIVE IN ANOTHER FIELD AND THAT SEE CHILDREN, ALL THAT.
WELL, I KNOW A LOT OF CHILDREN, BOTH BLACK AND WHITE CAN LIVE OVER ON A NATIONAL SPORT DRIVE AND NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE THAT WHO COME ACROSS AND THEY DON'T NECESSARILY COME ACROSS THERE, YOU SPEAK.
BUT THEY COME ACROSS AND THIS YOUNG MAN WAS KILLED ON THAT MODE.
I WAS TALKING TO BEN AND OTHERS KNOW SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE.
I THINK THE ONE AT ONE POINT DOWN HERE ON ONE SIDE, SOMEBODY PUT, FIX UP SOMETHING, HOPEFULLY THAT THE CHILDREN WOULDN'T GO DOWN TO THE FENCE AND COME ACROSS THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
OTHER THAN AT THE PLACES THAT WAS DEDICATED FOR CARS.
BUT THEY TOLD HIM FACE DOWN AND CAME ACROSS IT LIKE, SO IS THIS EVIDENCE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO CROSS CHILDREN, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WALK ACROSS, BUT, UM, I'VE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE CALLED ME FROM THE D BUILD NEIGHBORHOODS WHO HAVE BEEN MADE TO BELIEVE THAT, UM, THAT THIS IS NOT THE,
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WHAT I TRY TO DO IS NOT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, THOSE PROPOSALS.I DON'T KNOW WHAT COULD BE HERE BECAUSE I'D LIKE THAT TO HAVE TO BE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COMPROMISE CAN BE BETWEEN CLOSING THE STREET IS NOT WHAT I'M HERE TO DO IS TO REPRESENT FOLKS AND OUT OF THE FOLKS THAT CONTACTED ME.
AND THOSE WERE THOSE WHO SEE ME ON TIME, WHO WERE OPPOSED TO THE POST, THE STREET.
THOSE ARE DIFFERENT PROBLEMS OTHER THAN ONE PERSON CAN LIVE ON.
SP I THINK THERE ARE ONLY ABOUT SIX VANISHES WHO DID ONE AND ONLY ONE OUT OF THAT SIX WERE OPPOSED TO THE PUB.
SO I WANTED TO LET HIM KNOW THAT MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THAT CLOSE TO THE STREET WOULD NOT CAUSE A FIRE, MY OPINION, MY PERSONAL OPINION, BUT THE COMMUNITY, THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE CALLED ME WERE NOT OKAY.
ALL IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE HEARING HERE.
NOW DO WE MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE OR, AND ALSO ASKED TO LEAVE SWEDEN WITH THE EXCEPTION OF POSSIBLE? OKAY.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT? WE HAVE A SECOND.
NUMBER SEVEN, PUBLIC HEARING AND ADOPT ORDINANCE ON THE QUESTION OF AMENDING THE ZONING MAP.
SO IT WAS REMOVE A 0.9 MILE AREA NORTH OF THE RIGHT OF WAY OF THE CENTER LINE OF THE ATLANTIC AND NORTH CAROLINA RAILROAD.
BRUMBY GLEN RUNNY ROAD FOR MARSHALL ENTRANCEWAY CARTER DISTRICT.
I BELIEVE THAT'S THE LONGEST SENTENCE I'VE EVER SEEN.
MIKE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE THE CULPRIT? I MEAN, THE GUY THAT EXPLAINS THAT SENTENCE FIRST, AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT, IT WAS A NICE, I THINK THIS CAME FROM THE MANAGER AND HE SEES KNOWING THAT THIS, UM, THIS IS A, UH, UH, AN APPLICATION FROM A TARGET BUILDING SYSTEMS REQUESTING THAT THE CITY SON WHO MAY HAVE, UH, THE, UH, AMENDED TO REMOVE A 0.9 MILE PORTION OF THE SOUTHLAND BURNING ROAD CORRIDOR, UH, JUST NORTH, BEGINNING OF THOSE TRACKS, RATHER TRACKS BEHIND NICHOLS AND GOING NORTH, UM, TO OAKS ROAD AT THAT PORTION, THEY DELETED, UH, FROM THE ENTRANCEWAY CORRIDOR.
SO THEN WE TALKED THEM ABOUT, IS THAT FROM YES, EXACTLY.
UH, THEN IN THE PART OF THE CAR, IT IS, IS A PART OF THE CORRIDOR AND, UH, IT IS AN AREA THAT WE'LL SEE A GOOD BIT OF INCREASED TRAFFIC, UH, TIME BACK ENTRANCE TO, WELL, LIKE KNOW, UH, PRESENTATION MADE BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.
THERE WAS A GOOD BIT OF DISCUSSION ON THE ISSUE AT THE END OF THE MEETING, THE PLANNING BOARD VOTED ON SIX TO TWO VOTE TO RECOMMEND THE REMOVAL OF THAT PORTION FROM THE ENTRANCE WAY, THE CORE, UH, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION HAD BEEN NOT TO REMOVE IT, UH, TO HAVE IT REMAIN INTACT.
UH, SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT, UH, THAT WE CITED, UH, WERE THE, UH, VARIETY OF
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OTHER SHEETING OPTIONS, OTHER THAN CORRUGATING THAT MOTHER JESSIE ONLY ONE, UH, TYPE OF SHEETING OPTION THAT, UH, IS NOT AVAILABLE UNDER THE QUARTER.UH, THE PROJECTED INCREASE IN TRAFFIC, UH, ON SOUTH AND BURNING ROAD.
THE PROJECTIONS CAME TO US FROM NCD WHO ARE NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED AS THE BEST IN THE NATION ON GENERATING THESE NUMBERS FROM 6,300 CARS A DAY TO 19,000 CARS PER DAY IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS, NO TO 19,000 IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
WELL, IF YOU LOOK AT DEVELOPMENT THAT IS TAKING PLACE IN RECENT YEARS, UH, THE APARTMENTS, THE DUPLEXES THAT ARE NOW BEING BUILT, UH, YOU HAD THE UNKNOWN OF THE MARTIN MARIETTA SITE THAT, UH, OKAY.
AND HOW THAT WILL BE DEVELOPED HAS NOT BEEN DETERMINED.
WE REALIZED THAT PROBABLY FORTUNATE WILL BE RESIDENTIAL.
THERE HAS AN INTEREST IN THAT.
UM, SO, UH, I WOULD FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE IN, SEE DMTS ARE USUALLY VERY RELIABLE ESTIMATES.
UM, THE, UH, AREA, UH, AS MENTIONED EARLIER, DOES CONNECT TO THAT AREA OF NEUSE BOULEVARD.
GLENBURNIE AS YOU'RE COMING UP FROM THE SOUTH, RATS IT ON AROUND TO ULTRA NATIONAL AVENUE BACK INTO THE DOWNTOWN AREA, THE, UM, QUARTERS ARE SET UP TO RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF THESE ENTRANCE WISE, THESE FIRST IMPRESSIONS, UH, INTO THE CITY AND IMPORTANT ROLE THEY PLAY IN ATTRACTING BUSINESS AND INDUSTRY AND NEW RESIDENTS TO THE AREA.
AND WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CHANGES THAT ARE TAKING PLACE THERE.
I KNOW THAT SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, THE ADDITIONAL HOUSING THAT I'VE SEEN, UH, BEING DEVELOPED ON THE WEST SIDE OF THAT SECTION OF SOUTH MAIN BURNIE, THE, UH, LAND USE PLAN FOR THE CITY CALLS FOR THE CONTINUATION OF SUPPORT AND AMENDING AND UPGRADING THE ENTRANCE CORE OVERLAY DISTRICTS.
SO AS TO PROVIDE FOR THE ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT AND AESTHETIC ENHANCEMENT OF THE CITY'S ENTRANCE WAYS, THE AREA, UM, IS, UH, ON THE OUTER EDGE OF SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF CITY THAT YOU SEE THERE, UH, YOU DO SEE MORE RURAL KIND OF ACTIVITIES WITH THE GARDENING AND SO ON AND SO FORTH GOING THERE.
UH, BUT, UH, I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT, UH, UH, SEVENTH STREET, 20 YEARS AGO, YOU PROBABLY SAW A VERY, SOME SIMILAR, UH, KINDS OF THINGS.
IF THE DEVELOPMENT IS HEADING WEST, THAT'S THE BEST, THE WAY THE CITY WILL BE GROWING THOSE AREAS THAT ARE MORE RURAL AND THEY ARE GOING TO BECOME MORE URBANIZED.
AND THE IMPACTS OF DEVELOPMENT ARE IMPORTANT THERE.
UM, IN LOOKING AT THE LAND USE PLAN, UM, AND THE ORDINANCE, WHICH, UH, THIS IS CONTAINED IN, WE DID FIND THAT THE SURVEY WE COMPLETED OF ALL OF OUR UTILITY USERS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS THAT 72% OF THEM SUPPORTED THE CONCEPT OF ENGINES WAY HOARDERS AND THE IMPORTANCE OF AESTHETICS AND IMPROVING THE APPEARANCE OF THOSE ORDERS.
WE SENT OUT 13,000 SURVEYS TO THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE ON OUR ELECTRIC SYSTEM.
AND WE RECEIVED BACK ABOUT 16 OR 1700 RESPONSES TO THEM.
AND THAT'S WHAT A 72% SUPPORT FOR INTEREST WAVE FOURS AND MAINTAIN THEM.
AND, UM, SO OUR PROPOSAL FROM STAMP IS THAT IT REMAIN INTACT.
UM, ONCE AGAIN, THE PLANNING BOARD SIX TO, TO, UH, TO REMOVE THAT AN ANALYSIS OR ONE OF THE POINTS MADE AFTER MEETING WAS THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND NOT JUSTIFY IT BEING A CORE AS FAR AS THE TYPE OF STRUCTURES AND SO FORTH THAT ARE, THAT ARE FOUND THERE.
AND THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS ANALYSIS FINDS THAT 71% OF THE STRUCTURES IN THE AREA OR BRICK OR BLOCK WOOD, UH, TRADITIONAL KIND OF BUILDING MATERIALS, UH, 29% OF THE STRUCTURES ALONG THAT AREA ARE CORRUGATED METAL STRUCTURES.
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UH, THAT'S 12 STRUCTURES ALONG THERE, ALL THOSE FIVE OR MOBILE HOMES, UH, CORRUGATED METAL.SO THE, UH, THE BREAK PREDOMINANCE OF THE STRUCTURES ALONG THAT AREA, ARE YOU MORE TRADITIONAL MACHINE AND MATERIALS, WHICH WOULD BE, UH, ALLOW UNDER THE, UH, QUARTER STANDARDS WOULD BE LED TO RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS? IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION STRAIGHTFORWARD AND OBJECTIVE.
AND SOMETIMES WE LOSE OUR, I KNEW WHEN I SAW THAT SENTENCE TOO LONG, I SHOULD HAVE MET MY ASS.
WHAT GENERALLY WAS FEELING ON THE FAR OFF THE PLANET BOARD MEMBERS WHO DID NOT WORK TO WHO, WHO DID WALK TO CHANGE DEVELOPING ALL OF THE CLASSIFICATION, THE CLASS.
WHY DID THEY WANT TO GO AHEAD AND CHANGE IT CONSIDERING IT'S AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE LAND USE PLAN? I MEAN, IT'S BEEN THERE SO LONG.
UM, UH, SOME OF THE POINTS THAT, UH, THAT I RECALL ONE WAS AT, UM, WE, UM, HAD A STANDARD THAT WAS OVERLY RESTRICTIVE, THAT WE WERE REQUIRING PEOPLE TO BUILD A CADILLAC, IF YOU WOULD, UH, STRUCTURE.
UM, OUR POSITION IS FROM STAFF WAS THAT, NO, WE WERE NOT BECAUSE THERE WAS THIS WIDE ARRAY OF SHEETING AND OTHER MATERIALS THAT COULD BE USED.
AND THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS NOT ALLOWED WAS FOR GETTING MAIL AND THE OTHERS BREAK IN BLOCK WOOD AND VINYL SIDING.
SO ALL OF THOSE ARE STILL ALLOWED AS PART OF THAT.
UH, UH, SECOND, UH, AREA WAS THAT, UH, FROM THE WAY AS DEVELOPED THUS FAR, UH, THEY DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD HAVE THAT MUCH IMPACT, UH, WHETHER YOU HAD BOARD METAL BUILDINGS ALLOWING IT MORE OR NOT.
THERE WAS THAT BASICALLY FROM BREAKING.
I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY DOG IN THIS FIGHT.
PERSONALLY, I'M JUST LOOKING AT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
NUMBER ONE, I UNDERSTAND THE CHURCH WAS CONCERNED.
THEY WON'T BUILD A BUILDING AS INEXPENSIVE AS POSSIBLE.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND THERE IS SOME, THERE ARE SOME BUILDINGS IN THAT AREA, WHICH ARE, HAVE BEEN THERE A LONG TIME AND ARE NOT IN THE BEST CONDITION.
OF COURSE, MANY NEIGHBORHOODS ARE THAT WAY.
AT ONE TIME CHANGE, I'M LOOKING AND WE'RE OFTEN ACCUSED OF NOT LOOKING AHEAD OR NOT.
I'M LOOKING TOWARD THE TIME WHEN PERHAPS MARTIN MARIETTA IS NO LONGER A ROCK QUARRY AND THERE IS, AND I'LL GUARANTEE YOU, IT WOULD BE HIGH DOLLAR RESIDENTIAL HOUSING AROUND THE LARGE LAKE.
THERE'S A LOT OF OPEN AREAS, STILL GET LOST WITH THE NORTHEAST SOUTHWEST SITUATION IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA.
BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD FROM MARTIN MARIETTA, THERE'S STILL SOME OPEN LAND THERE.
I SEE A LOT OF UPGRADING BEGINNING TO TAKE PLACE, OR IT'S BEGINNING TO TAKE PLACE IN GLEN BURNIE GARDENS AREA.
AND I SEE THE PEOPLE FROM RIVERSIDE HERE WANTING MONEY TO BE SPENT IN IMPROVING THE ENTRANCE FROM TOWN TO THAT AREA.
I KNOW THAT OLD SELLERS AND NOT KEEPS BRINGING UP WELL, SIMMONS IS NOT A CARVER AND I, THAT'S NOT, I'M NOT ADDRESSING THAT SO MUCH AS I KNOW THAT 15 YEARS, 10 OR 15 YEARS FROM NOW, WHAT IS NOW THE RENNIE'S CREEK.
MINE WILL BE A LAKE WITHOUT OUR HOUSING AROUND IT.
THERE'S THE LARGE WOODED AREA ACROSS SEVENTH STREET FROM RANDY'S CREEK.
MY, MY, AND I THINK THAT, UH, I HAVEN'T BEEN AS LARGE AREAS OF LAND LIGHT PAD THAT ARE IT'S POSSIBLE TO DEVELOP IN A HIGH-DOLLAR TYPE HOUSING OR A NICE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE ARE VERY FEW OF THOSE AREAS THAT LARGE LEFT IN NEWBORNS.
SO I JUST FORESEE SOME NICE HOUSING GOING INTO THAT AREA.
I SEE AN INCREASING NUMBER OF HOMES BEING BUILT IN THERE.
I SEE THE HOUSES THAT ARE GOING FURTHER BE OPERATED.
I QUESTION, WELL, I'M WONDERING IF WE'RE SPENDING MONEY ON ONE END OF THAT AREA, RIVERSIDE HAPPENS TO BE, TO CREATE A NICE ENTRANCE
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AND THEN REMOVING FROM LANDIS' PLAN THE PROTECTION FOR THE OTHER END, THE BACK AREA, WHICH I DON'T KNOW HOW THE STATE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT, STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION GETS THEIR FINGERS, BUT I AM NOT LAUGHING AT THEIR PROJECTION IN THE NUMBERS OF CARS.CONSIDERING WHAT I FEEL WILL BE THE CONSTRUCTION OF HOUSING THAT GOES ON THERE IN THE NEXT 10 OR 15 YEARS.
SO THAT'S REALLY WHERE I AM AT THIS POINT.
THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THE PLANNING BOARD'S FEEL WAS I HATE TO MAKE RASH JUDGMENTS OR LAUGH AWAY PROJECTIONS, WHICH WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AVAILABLE LAND, BUT THE QUALITY OF THE LAND MAY NOT BE AS SILLY AS THEY SOUND AT FIRST.
AND I REALLY JUST WANTED TO HEAR WHAT THE PEOPLE FROM RIVERSIDE HAD TO SAY, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY.
WELL, OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, A LOT OF MONEY UPGRADING ONE ENTRANCE, AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT SIDEWALKS AND THAT SORT OF THING.
AND THEN AT THE OTHER ENTRANCE IN EFFECT TO RIVERSIDE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LOWERING THE STANDARDS.
THEY MAY, THEY MAY NOT CARE TO MAKE IT HAVE NO OPINION, BUT I JUST
WE TOLD, YOU KNOW, WE S WE EXPLAINED THE PLANNING WHERE IT'S DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE TO ENVISION WHY THE AREA CAN BECOME A
AND IT'S HARD SOMETIMES TO VISUALIZE THAT, AND THOSE WERE THE KINDS OF ISSUES WE URGE THE PLANNING WORK TO CONSIDER IN TERMS OF WHAT STAFF SUPPORT THOSE STANDARDS IN PLACES FOR US, BECAUSE WE, WE HAVE THE SAME SUPPLIES, WHY RELAXED.
AND AT THIS POINT, IF ANYTHING, WE NEED TO LOOK IT UP WHAT'S NOW, BUT DESPITE CHANGING IT, THEN, I MEAN, SOMEBODY, THE REQUEST WAS
I CAN'T REALLY HOLD MY QUESTION OR WE'VE HAD ENOUGH OUTSIDE, I GUESS IT'S APPROPRIATE PODIUM.
UH, I, I HAVE MADE THAT, BUT THERE ARE OTHER MATERIALS THAT ON THE SIDE, WOODSIDE, BRICKS AND BLOCK SIZE METAL BUILDINGS, AND STILL BE VERY POSITIVE.
THE COORDINATE OR HAITI METAL IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, UH, OKAY, WELL, YOU WON'T HEAR IT OR YOU FORWARD OR AGAINST IT.
WHEN YOU GET DONE, LET US VOTE ON WHETHER WE THOUGHT YOU WERE A GUEST.
MY MAIN CONCERN HAS BEEN SOME REAL CONCERN ABOUT NATIONAL AVENUE AND WHETHER OR NOT IT CAN BE WIDENED.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE SPEED LIMIT REDUCED FROM 35 TO 25 BECAUSE OF THE FAMILY ENVIRONMENT.
IF WE DO THIS, HOW MANY CARS THAT CONCERNS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WE DO HERE TONIGHT IS GOING TO CHANGE.
THIS IS GOING TO PLAY OUT IS BECAUSE THAT IS B STREET, 19,000 CARS.
SO IF YOU WANT GLUTEN BURNING, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE PRACTICAL, NO DRUM.
THEN DID YOU LEAVE IT TWO LANES? SO IF YOU BOTH DELETED A CAR, YOU ARE GOING TO PUT MORE TRAFFIC ON RIVERSIDE.
THEN IF YOU TAKE CARTER VISITATION OFF BECAUSE YES, AND GET TO WHERE I WANT TO GO QUICKLY, I WILL NOT GO THAT WAY.
BE THE, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A THOROUGHFARE PLAN FOR WHY THE STREET, ALL THE QUARTER DEALS WITH IS SETTING STANDARDS FOR CONSTRUCTION APPEARANCE, AND
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DO SOMETHING TOTALLY ILLOGICAL.LET'S GO BACK TO WHAT I WAS ASKING WHILE AND WATCH WHAT STARTED ALL THIS AND CALLS IT.
AND I THINK BUD IS GOING TO TRY TO TELL, AND I'M HOPING THAT LORI UNDERSTANDS ALL THIS, AND I'M GOING TO READ ABOUT IT IN THE PAPER TOMORROW AND SEE IF I CAN UNDERSTAND IT THE LAST FEW.
AND AT THIS POINT, BLOOD YOU'RE WRONG.
UH, LET ME SAY, FIRST OF ALL, IN RIVERSIDE
SO IT WAS DONE BY SHAME TO STOP.
I GREW UP ON WHAT WAS CALLED, WAIT A MINUTE.
WE'RE ACTUALLY ON WHAT THEY THEN CALLED GLEN BURNIE, MUSLIM.
THEY SAY, THEN THEY CHANGED IT BACK.
THE WAY THAT OATS ROAD, GLEN BARNEY BECAME OATS ROAD.
YOU THINK THIS IS DEPAKOTE DON'T KNOW YET WHEN WE WERE BORN, DID YOU FOLKS BRING THE LUNCH? WELL, HEY, WE GOING TO GET TO THE BOTTOM ALL YOUR TIME IS UP, BUT WE'RE SPECIFICALLY HERE TO REQUEST A CHANGE IN THE ORDINANCE.
ARTICLE 22, SECTION 15 40 64, WHICH IS TO AMEND A PORTION OF THE COMMERCIAL INTERESTS WAY CORNER.
UH, WE HAVE SEVERAL REASONS FOR ASKING THAT PRIMARY
IF WE DIDN'T SAY THAT COMMERCIAL CORNER DISTRICT WAS ESTABLISHED AS MY FIRST IMPRESSION, THERE'S PEOPLE BEING TOURISTS AND YOU WANT TO OBVIOUSLY BRING IT BACK.
AS PEOPLE BEING, UH, POTENTIAL RELOCATED TO FOR THE FIRST TIME, IT LOOKS PEOPLE WILLING.
FOLKS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN BRINGING IN BUSINESS AND NEWBURN ARE STARTING.
I THINK ON THE OTHER HAND IS LESS THAN EXPANDING.
SOMEONE'S GOING TO GET OFF OF HIGHWAY 17.
WE STOOD UP AND SAID, AND BEING BUSINESS.
SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO GET THEM, GET THEM SADLY AND VERY RELEVANT.
THERE'S NO WAY TO TELL HIM THIS WAY IN ORDER TO MAKE IT AND MAKE IT BIG.
THE ATTENDANT DOORS WE'VE GOT INSIDE THE JAIL, WE'VE GOT TO DIRECT PEOPLE THROUGH IT OTHER THAN OTHER FRACK TO DOWNTOWN LOOP.
WHEN YOU DO THAT, YOU'RE GOING TO ADD TRAFFIC AND THAT'S AND THAT'S MEG.
UH, I DON'T KNOW MUCH NOT LITTLE JACK, BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THE LAST TIME THAT THEY WILL NASH VEHICULAR TRACK, THIS MIGHT NOT BE DESIGNATED CORRIDOR, BUT IT IS DESIGNATED IN THE THOROUGHFARE.
AND I BELIEVE THAT'S OF THE WAY HE GOT A VEHICLE BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO FEED ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC DOWN NATIONAL AVENUE, WHICH HAS DETRIMENTAL SCENARIOS, REAL HARD PLANS FOR YEARS TO IMPROVE.
SO HE COMES FROM BEING A STATIC, DONE A GOOD JOB.
THAT'S THE REASON WE THINK IS BECAUSE IT'S NOT, I STILL HAVE INSURANCE.
I CAN GET THAT
THIS SECTION OF THE BURDEN FROM THE CINEMA, FOR EXAMPLE, WE DO THAT.
THE REQUIREMENTS ARE ASSESSED AND WE THINK THEY'RE EXCESSIVE FOR THIS PARTICULAR AREA.
IF YOU'LL TAKE A LITTLE BIT DOWN THE ROAD AND CROSS THE RAILROAD TRACKS ON YOUR LEFT IMMEDIATELY OVER THERE IS A METAL STRUCTURE
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WHICH NOW MARK RARE ROCK BAR, JUST BEYOND THAT IS A NEW MINI STORAGE, WHICH IS THE ONLY DEVELOPMENT THAT I'M AWARE OF DIRECTLY IN THE YEARS THAT IS NOW IMMEDIATELY ON THE RIGHT, IS THE TRANSPORTATIONI DID NOT CALCULATE THE PERCENTAGE, BUT SEVERAL, UH, FRAME DEALS WITH OR UTILITY TARGETS, NO SIDE LOAD FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD IS A METAL BUILDING CALLED ABC CARPET CARE.
AND THEN IMMEDIATELY THAT INTERSECTION OF
SO TO SAY THAT
IT DOESN'T SAY IT SPECIFICALLY PRECLUDES.
SO TO SAY THAT IT CAN ONLY ADD THAT AS STATUTE TO THE CAUSE.
NOW, THE REASON THAT WE THINK THIS IS CHARACTER IS FALSE.
IN MY OPINION, IS SOMEBODY WITH 20 YEARS EXPERIENCE AND THEN IT WAS SEVEN MINUTES, NOT SMARTEST PERSON IN THE WORLD.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT GROUP, YOU SEE THAT YOU REMAIN BASICALLY THE SAME FOR YOU.
IT'S LIKE IF THE MAYOR WAS SITTING ON A FENCE AND NOBODY WAS HOLDING A LITTLE PRESSURE AND PUSHING YOU TO WHAT, IT'S MY BELIEF THAT NOT PUTTING THESE ARDUOUS AND EXPENSIVE REQUIREMENTS THAT ROAD FORWARD WANT TO DO IS PUSH IT INTO THE LONG PERIOD OF DEFERRED MAINTENANCE AND A LONG PERIOD OF INSTRUCTIONS ALONG THE ROAD.
WE KIND OF DENIGRATED BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T WANT INVESTMENT BECAUSE THERE ISN'T AN INTEREST.
THERE IS NO DRUG DYNAMICS THERE TO PROVIDE BECAUSE SHE'S PROHIBITED WITH COSTS YOU PREDICTED AND DO, AND EVENTUALLY IS, WILL IMPROVE.
EVENTUALLY THOSE GOES FOLKS
BUT I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT UNFAIR TO THE FOLKS WHO WANT TO USE IT TODAY TO DO THAT.
I THINK THIS ORDINANCE NOT MEANING TO, BUT I THINK IN FURTHER THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENED TO YOU.
SO WE SEE THIS COUNTERPRODUCTIVE.
IT SAYS ALSO SEE IT AS A NEW SYSTEM.
UH, THIS IS MIAMI LOCAL FOREVER, WHO KNOWS THE SAME EXACT SITUATION EXISTS ON FACEBOOK.
IT'S NOT AS IT HAS SOME COMMERCIAL AND SOME RESIDENTIAL WHERE IT BECOMES A COMMERCIAL CAR IS WHERE WE TURN IT OFF OF THE PASSING, YOU KNOW, FIRST GROUP
WE'RE NOT HERE TO ATTACK THE
AND I THINK THAT'S WHY ONCE WE DO THIS BENEFIT, WE'RE SIMPLY HERE TO ASK Y'ALL FOR COLLEGE.
THAT HAS TO GO FOR A QUICK REACTION TO A NOTICE THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CHANGED A LONG TIME GAP, AND TO ALLOW THIS CHURCH TO HAVE THE OPTION.
AND NOW STAFF TALK ABOUT FLEXIBILITY AND THE FACT THAT YOU CAN HAVE MANY OTHER SIDES ON READ SOMETHING TO YOU REAL QUICK, PART TWO, SECTION 15, 4 61 DESIGN GUIDELINES AND PERFORMANCE STANDARD GENERAL SCOPE AND COMMON CHARACTER DUE TO THE LIVE VARIETY OF COMMERCIAL USES THAT COMMITTED IN THE CITY'S ESTABLISHED COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS.
AND THE DIFFERENCES IN DEVELOPMENT CURRENTLY EXIST IN THE CITY'S PRIMARY CONNECTOR AND ARTERIAL STREETS IS NEITHER PLATFORM DESIRABLE TO BUILD A SINGLE CENTER DESIGN AND PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, WHICH WOULD APPLY IN UNIFORM TO EACH OF THE CITY'S COMMERCIAL INTEREST RATE CARD OR DISTRICT.
THEREFORE GOT, IMAGINE, STAND SAID VINCENT SPECIFIC TO EACH SPECIFIC CARTER IDENTIFIED IN SECTION 15, 4 51.
WELL, LET ME SUBMIT A LITTLE BIT OF EVIDENCE TO YOU THAT SAYS, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S THE CASE.
WHETHER IN HER ORGANS, SECTION 15, 4 62 SPEAKS TO THE BROAD STREET QUEEN STREET PART SAYS THAT EVERYTHING WE MENTIONED THE BRICK AND WOODSIDE USED TO SAY, THE RECOMMENDED NOW SAYS, IF YOU BOUGHT, YOU GO TO SECTION 15, 4 63, WHICH TAKES YOU TO THE RETURN ROAD FOUR, AND IT'S THOSE PORTIONS OF THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING STRAIGHT RUN ELECTION RECEIVE YOUR MATERIALS OF THE TYPE COMMONLY FOUND IN RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION, COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION, SUCH AS DOING SIDING, BRIDGESTONE, CONSTRUCTION, EXCLUDE CINDERBLOCK OR REGULAR CONCRETE.
YOU GET A SECTION 15 40, 64 FOR GLEN BERGEN ROAD.
AND IT SAYS THOSE PORTIONS OF THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING VISIBLE FROM THE STREET BY THE WASHING MACHINE AND MATERIAL SUCH AS WOODSIDE AND STONE BRICK,
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RATHER THAN EXCLUDE CIN BLOCK OR REGULAR LIBRARY, YOU GO TO SECTION 15, 40, 65.THOSE PORTIONS OF YOUR PRINCIPAL WILL BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.
WHY SHOULD WE BE SHAVING MATERIALS SUCH AS
NOW I WOULD SUBMIT TO YOU THAT THAT IS NOT SPECIFICALLY THAT THAT IS IDEAL, WHEREVER IT IS EVERYWHERE.
NOW I'VE GOT PROBLEM WITH THAT AND I WANT TO BRING IT UP, BUT I HAVEN'T HAD A PROBLEM SPECIFICALLY WITH THAT.
I DON'T WANT, I DIDN'T COME HERE AND TALK ABOUT BUILDINGS AND WHETHER YOU LIKE
THE MINDSET OF
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING THAT THIS CITY COULD USE MORE THAN A NEW JERSEY AND FOR THE CITIZENS TO SEE IF THERE'S AN ORDER TO SAY YOU DON'T NEED TO BE THERE.
WE'VE GOT A RULING THAT REACTS WITH RESPONSIBLE RESPECTFULLY.
AS FOR, I MAY ASK MY COUPLE OF QUESTIONS WHILE YOU'RE STILL UP THERE.
DO YOU, UH, AGREE WITH HIS STATEMENT THAT THE, THE IDEA BEHIND MAKING THE THING OR THE REASON THAT IT WAS A CAR THAT WORKED IS BECAUSE YOU ALL EXPECTED PEOPLE OTHER THAN THE CITIZENS OF NEIGHBORING BY DEFINITION TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD AND USE IT AS AN F, RIGHT, IS ONE ASPECT OF THE, UM, CONCERN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, OR SHE WANTS TO CREATE AS COME INTO YOUR, YOU SAY IS GOING TO BE FROM PEOPLE HERE IN THIS COMMUNITY.
AND YOU WANT TO ENSURE THAT THERE ARE GOOD QUALITY STANDARDS THERE BEFORE.
WELL, LET, LET, LET ME ASK YOU THOUGH.
WHAT IF WE KEEP DOING THIS AS A WAY, IF WE HAVE DONE THIS, WHERE ARE WE GOING TO HAVE AN AREA WHERE SOMEBODY CAN BUILD A METAL BUILDING? AND THAT'S WHAT HE FEELS LIKE.
I MEAN, WHERE IS IT GOING TO BE? THERE ARE ONLY FIVE ORDERS.
UM, I THINK, UH, ONE THING THAT MR STALEY MENTIONED WAS HOW STATIC, AND IF YOU HAVE TOO HIGH STANDARDS, SO WE SHOULD LISTEN TO THE STANDARDS AND ALLOW FOR INEXPENSIVE DEVELOPED TO COME IN AND FILL THESE GAPS.
WELL, I THINK THERE'S A BIT OF AN ANALOGY HERE IN VANS, UM, WHERE WE MODIFY OUR ORDINANCES SOME YEARS AGO TO ALLOW A PLACE IN MORE AREAS.
AND WE FOUND RECENTLY IN WOODROW AND THE DAKOTA AREA THAT HE ASKED LOTS OF BEING FATAL, BUT THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT HIS IMPACT ON PROPERTY VALUES AND THE WILLINGNESS OF PEOPLE TO INVEST IN THAT AREA ACROSS THE LESS EXPENSIVE CONSTRUCTION WAS MOVING IN.
I THINK THE ANALYSIS LOOKING AT THE BUILDINGS, OKAY.
LET'S, LET'S CARRY HIM ALLERGY ON ONTO FAT.
ARE YOU SAYING THEN AS A CHURCH, A METAL BUILDING CHURCH IS GOING TO DETERIORATE OR, OR, OR BRING DOWN THAT STREET AND HIGHWAY OR NINE TENTHS OF A MILE OR WHATEVER.
I'M PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA SINCE THAT'S WHERE I GREW UP.
I'M WELL AWARE OF IT BECOMING MORE AWARE, BUT, UH, UH, THE ONE PARTICULAR CASE, MAYBE NOT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE AND ALL THOSE MODELS STRETCH AND REMOVING THE STANDARDS, BUT, BUT REALLY, AND TRULY, YOU KNOW, THE PLANNING BOARD WENT SIX TO TWO IN FAVOR OF CHANGING IT.
THE IDEA THAT I'D JUST LIKE TO ASK YOU ALSO, BEFORE I FORGET IT, WHERE ARE THE 19,000, SINCE I'M NOW I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHERE IT'S 19,000 CARS COMING FROM, OKAY.
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THEY MAKE A PROJECTION BASED ON THOSE FACTORS, PORTER PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE LIVING, WORKING IN THE FUTURE.WHEN I MADE, KNOWN TO GAVE YOU A CLUE AS TO HOW, YOU KNOW, I CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THINGS THEY CONSIDER, BUT I TRULY CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY ALL OF A SUDDEN, OR NOT A SUDDEN, BUT OVER SOME PERIOD OF TIME IN 19,000, GOING FROM WHAT WAS IT, 1600 A DAY TO NIGHT, 6,000,
LIKEWISE, AT A TIME WHEN WE DEVELOPED THE LANES, 1992, AS YOU KNOW, THERE WAS SOME HEATED DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY ABOUT ESTABLISHING THE QUARTERS TOGETHER.
SO WE DID PURPOSELY LIMIT THE AMOUNT.
OF COURSE, THOSE AREAS THAT WE SAW AS A PRIMARILY CORNERS, WE CHOSE THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE LIBRARY IN ORDER TO POST ROAD, PRIMARILY BECAUSE TRAVEL PATTERNS, WHICH INDICATED THAT THAT AREA WOULD BE TRAVERSED BY TRAFFIC.
MORE SO THAN SAY FROM ELSEWHERE IN THE RIVER.
UM, EVEN THOUGH THE QUALITY OF THE
NOW MAY NOT BE SOMETHING WE DESIRE, BUT TRAGIC ADJUSTMENT PROJECTIONS SAY THAT THE CITY HAS NO PLACE TO GROW.
AND LAST THAT IT'S AN ANIMAL, THESE AREAS HAVE BECOME WE'LL ADD ADMITTEDLY, UH, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUE OF LOCAL TRAFFIC VERSUS VISITORS.
I MEAN, THE ISSUE IS, DO WE WANT TO SETTLE FOR, IN THESE AREAS, SAY THAT THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF BEAVERTON, THAT WE'RE GOING TO TOLERATE A LITTLE REVOLVING YOUR STATEMENT BECAUSE WE'RE CITIZENS HERE AND NOT DEAL WITH, YOU KNOW, JUST THE TOURISM, LEADING PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THE TRAVELING ECONOMIC HEALTH SHOULD BE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE SETTLED FIVE BALI STANDARDS.
BUT THE EXAMPLE IS THAT WE CAN'T BUILD A METAL BUILDING CHURCH.
I DON'T KNOW THIS IS THAT CORRECT BY THE REQUEST, THE REQUEST IS NOT, THAT IS NOT THE FOCUS OF THE REQUEST.
AND ALSO SAYS A NAME IS PRECEDENT IS TO SAY THAT IF ONE PERSON JUSTIFY, IT SAYS YOU WANT TO DO THIS.
AND WE EXPANDED FROM ONE PERSON, THEN HOW DO WE JUSTIFY WHEN THE NEXT GUY COMES IN AND SAYS, I DON'T WANT TO BUILD AN OFFICE BUILDING AND NOT IN A HOUSE, A PROPER REHABILITATION CENTER IN AN OFFICE BUILDING, THAT'S GOING TO BE A MILLION LEAVES FOR THE CITY.
YOU KNOW, WHY CAN'T YOU DO IT FOR ME? SO YOU'RE MAKING THE ARGUMENT THAT IF WE AGREE WITH THE CHURCH ALTOGETHER, I HAD A METAL BUILDING AND WE ALL REMOVED THAT AS A CAR.
AND IS THERE STILL IS OPPOSING GROUP COMING THE ENTIRE AREA BEFORE? OH, YOU'RE SAYING THAT ALL BA ISOLATED CHURCH, WE WOULD NOT SEE THAT AS BEING NECESSARILY A PROBLEM.
THE IDEA OF REMOVING THE ENTIRE STANDARD FROM THAT SECTION OF THE ROAD, YOU SEE, AS BEING DETRIMENTAL LONG-TERM TO THE ECONOMIC GROWTH AND VITALITY OF THAT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY, ANY GAS OFF THE RECORD? YES.
DID ONE OF THE PLANNING BOARD DIDN'T SEE IT THAT WAY? BUT I THINK THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE OVERLY RESTRICTIVE THAT WOULD REQUIRE A MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE STRUCTURE.
AGAIN, WE SHOWED THEM THAT THERE WEREN'T MANY ALTERNATIVES.
AND SECONDLY, JUST LOOKING AT IT AS IT IS TODAY, UH, THERE WAS, UH, UH, AN APPRECIATION FOR WHY IT COULD BE 15, 20, 25 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
I'LL ADD THAT WE TRIED IN THE ORDINANCE WHERE
AS PART OF THE ISSUE WE DEALT WITH WITH SCIENCE IS THAT WE DID IT INITIALLY.
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OUR ATTENTION WAS MAYBE LOOKING AT SPECIFIC MATERIALS AS A WAY OF ESTABLISHING A THEME.WHILE WE DECIDED THAT IN THE COURSE OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS WAS WE NEEDED TO ALLOW THE LIGHTING MATERIALS TO BE USED AND GET THE DEVELOPER OR THE OWNER, THE FLEXIBILITY TO CHOOSE THE MATERIAL.
WE DID FEEL THAT CERTAIN MATERIALS WERE NOT PROGRAMMED, AND WE SPECIFY THOSE AND DISCOURAGE THOSE KINDS OF MATERIALS, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME, UH, HIDING THAT EXCLUSIONARY MATERIALS THAT WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE A FIRST TIME BUSINESS OWNER FROM ESTABLISHING IT.
TECHNOLOGY IS GREAT FOR A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES TO BUILD AWESOME.
AND WE DON'T FEEL THE SHEETING MATERIAL IN AND OUT OF THE CELL FOR CLUES SAY A FIRST TIME BUSINESS FROM ESTABLISHING ROLLING.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S BEEN PROVEN, LET ME SAY SOMETHING MAX, AND THEN I'LL THAT YOU HAVE IT FOR AS LONG AS YOU WANT.
WHY, WHY, WHY DOES THE CHURCH HAVE A PROBLEM? IS IT, THERE IS NO OTHER, BUT FOR THIS BUILDING THE DEAL ON THIS ROAD, IF IT'S CALLED, THERE IS NO ORDER OF ADJUSTMENTS.
THERE'S NO VARIOUS PROCEDURE THAT EITHER IS, OR IT IS.
UH, SO YOU'RE SAYING THE CHURCH COULDN'T BUILD THAT THEY CAN'T BUILD THAT TYPE OF STRUCTURE.
THEY CAN'T GO TO THE SIZE 15% IN THIS PROJECT.
VERSUS IF WE HAVE ONE SIDE, 15% DIFFERENCE IN THE COST, WHAT'S WRONG WITH MIDDLE STROKE.
CAUSE ANYWAY, WELL, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT.
AND I HATE TO ALWAYS LOOK CROSSWAYS WITH THESE PEOPLE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT ALWAYS THE CASE.
I HAVE MORE PRIVATE PROPERTY RUSSELL AND I WILL ADMIT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I BELIEVE THAT EVERYBODY'S JOB IS TO DO A SERVICE.
AND IF Y'ALL LISTEN TO PLUS IN THE LAST PRESENTATION, YOU GOT TO WAKE UP AND SAY IT, WE'RE THERE TO INFLUENCE FIRST IMPRESSION TO THE NEW, MOST PART OF THIS PERSON.
THIS ORDINANCE WAS THIS PART OF THE OLDEST.
WE'RE REALLY HERE FOR THAT PURPOSE AND NO REASONABLE PERSON ON THEIR FIRST OR SECOND IS GOING TO EXPLORE.
NOW
I'M SAYING THIS SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN CONSTANT.
AND I THINK THEY KNOW TOO, BUT I THINK THEY FIGURED, UH, TAKE THEM OUT BECAUSE THEY SEE IT AS AN ATTACK AGAINST THE RULES AND THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE, BUT IT WILL GREATLY INCREASE THE COST AND THEY WILL TELL YOU THAT AND THEY ALL, BUT THEY'RE ALL ALLOWED WHEN YOU TAKE AWAY.
MANY OF THE BENEFITS OF FREEZING IN YOUR NOTE, THOUGH, WHEN YOU TAKE AWAY THE SIDING AND THE 1994 COACHING, THE LATERAL PRESSURE ON WALLS AND FRIENDS IS SO GREAT.
AND THAT'S IMPORTANT WITH INSURANCE.
IT ADDS JUST ABOUT AS MUCH AS IT WOULDN'T BE AN INVESTMENT AND IT ALSO TAKES TIME SAVINGS AND THEN OBVIOUSLY ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE EVERYWHERE FOR EVERYBODY, BUT IT CERTAINLY ARGUMENT DNA IS COMMON SENSE.
IN FACT, THAT THIS SECTION IS NOT A COMMERCIAL BEFORE THE ADOPTION OF THIS LAND JUST ON IS COULD A METAL BUILDING HAVE GONE ANYWHERE? GO AHEAD.
WHAT I REALLY BASICALLY WANTED TO DO WAS TO GET, UH, UH, A DISCUSSION OF HOW THESE CORRIDORS THIS PLANET COMES ABOUT AND WHY WE'VE RUN INTO CONSTANT PROBLEMS. LIKE THAT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE ALWAYS RUNNING INTO PEOPLE, NEEDING SOMETHING WE'VE DONE AS A PLANNING TOOL CHANGED.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND I KNOW WHY IT STILL IS HERE, MR. STEELE, HE'S HERE BECAUSE HE WANTS TO BUILD THAT METAL BUILDING.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S HIS BUSINESS, UH, THIS ITEMS ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE THE CHURCH HAS X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS TO BUILD, AND THIS IS WHAT THEY CAN AFFORD TO BUILD.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, ALSO WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHETHER OR NOT THAT BUILDING IS METAL OR BRICK OR CONCRETE BLOCK IS NOT GOING TO EFFECT THE NUMBER OF CARS COMING INTO THE RIVERSIDE AREA FROM THAT DIRECTION AND OR HOW FAST THEY DRIVE.
THAT'S THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE HERE, BUT I LOST CURIOUS AS TO HOW THEY, HOW, WHAT THE RESPONSIBLE PARTIES WOULD BE ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, BECAUSE IT IS PART OF THESE LONG RANGE, LAND USE PLAN OF THE CITY OF NEWBURGH.
AND I'M JUST CURIOUS AND BEFORE, UH, I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO HOW LONG IT'LL BE BEFORE THE NEXT ONE COMES UP AND, UH, SOMEBODY WANTS TO CHANGE.
EACH ONE HAS TO BE EXAMINED INDIVIDUALLY, AND I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT CHURCH BUILDING BEING BUILT THERE AND THE WAY THAT THEY WANT TO BUILD IT, DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM, UH, TO LAUGH AND JOKE WHEN THEY'RE PROJECTING 19,000 CARS, 20 YEARS FROM NOW.
UH, I THINK IT'S NOT VERY REALISTIC.
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A PRETTY SAFE ESTIMATE WHEN YOU CONSIDER THAT THAT'S A TRIPLING OF THE TRAFFIC IN 20 YEARS, A LOT OF US WILL BE HERE 20 YEARS TO SEE IT.SO IT WON'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE, BUT BUILDING THAT CHURCH OUT OF STONE OR BUILDING IT OUT, GOING TO CHANGE THE NUMBER OF CARS THAT COME INTO RIVERSIDE, IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE SPEED.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT WHATSOEVER.
AND I CERTAINLY HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT.
MY QUESTION WAS, WHERE ARE YOU INTERESTED IN HAVING ANY INPUT INTO THIS? BECAUSE THAT IS THE OTHER ROAD LEADING INTO RIVERSIDE.
YOU'VE GOT ONE COMING IN FROM BOTH ENDS.
AND WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT BEAUTIFYING THAT ENTRANCE? AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, PROTECTIVE MEASURES SHOULD BE, BE IN EFFECT.
IF SOME PROTECTIVE MEASURES HAD BEEN IN EFFECT YEARS AGO, WE WOULDN'T NOW BE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE TO GET THE MONEY TO BEAUTIFY THE OTHER RIVERSIDE.
SO, UH, YOU TALKED ABOUT LOWERING THE SPEED LIMIT FIVE PEOPLE.
ANYWAY, THAT'S A MATTER OF LAW ENFORCEMENT.
WE FOUND THAT OUT WAS SPENCER AVENUE RE-IMAGINING THESE UP.
SO THAT'S, I JUST WANTED TO SEE WHAT THE REASON WAS BEHIND THE PLANNING THAT WENT INTO THIS AND WHERE, WHY IS IT WRONG IF IT IS WRONG? AND WHAT SHOULD WE LOOK AT MORE PARKS OF THIS PLAN WITH AN EYE TOWARD CHANGING THE FUTURE? I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM.
AND THAT IS IN AN HOUR AND THE STANDARDS HAVE BEEN SET AND I HAVE, YOU KNOW, UH, FOR THE GROCERY STORE OR WHATEVER, I DON'T BELIEVE IN FACT THE STANDARD SAID THAT WE SHOULD STICK.
COULD YOU GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? YEAH.
IT'S LIKE WE MENTIONED, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU'RE ADDRESSING US, IF YOU WOULD COME UP WITH A MICROPHONE, WE CAN HEAR YOU.
WE CAN HEAR YOU FINE THE PROPHET.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND, BUT IF I MIGHT FINISH MY STATEMENT, THE REASON WE REQUEST, BASICALLY THE REASON WE REQUESTED THE TWO THAT DO THAT IS BECAUSE THE TAPE RECORDER, WHICH RECORDS IT FOR OUR FUTURE USES PLUGGED IN THERE.
AND ALSO PEOPLE ON TV CAN'T HEAR YOU, BUT THEY CAN HEAR YOU IF YOU'RE ON THAT BIKE.
BUT, UH, IT'S, THIS IS, UH, THIS IS A STRANGER.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT BUILDING THAT BUILDING OUT OF METAL IS GOING TO DAMAGE THE ENTRANCE THAT INFERENCE TO RIVERSIDE.
I THINK IT'LL BE A PRETTY BUILDING, BUT, UM, I'M NERVOUS ABOUT THE TENDENCY FOR US TO ALWAYS CHANGE WHAT IS ALREADY SET FOR GOOD REASONS, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
I PROBABLY SHOULDN'T EVEN GET UP HERE AND SAY THIS BECAUSE I'M ON THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND, UH, IT, THE VOTE WAS 62 AND HAD I BEEN THERE WITHIN 63, BUT WE WERE ON VACATION AT THE TIME.
AND THAT'S THE ONE MEETING I THINK THAT I'VE MISSED THIS YEAR.
UH, I FEEL AS I THINK RIVERSIDE RESIDENTS DO, CERTAINLY MY WIFE DOES TOO, THAT THIS IS A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT THAT SAID IT'S DOWN TO, I MEAN, THAT ALBEIT A, UH, A SHORT PIECE OF PROPERTY, BUT STILL IT DOES.
UH, IT'S A LOT, A LOT OF THINGS OTHER THAN JUST CORRUGATED BUILDING FURNITURE.
AND I THINK I HAD THE MEETING.
IT WOULD GO TO NOW, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION NOW, BEING FROM NEW ZEALAND, BORN HERE, 50 YEARS WORTH OF IT, I'VE BEEN HERE.
I'VE MENTALLY NEVER REALLY CONNECTED COATS ROAD, GLEN BURNIE, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT UNTIL THE RIVERSIDE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH WAS QUITE A WAYS AWAY.
I MEAN, IN MY NATIVE WAY OF THINKING, IF YOU WILL, THAT IS, IS, IS QUITE A LEAP.
YOU KNOW, IN OTHER WORDS, IF, IF YOU GO AND DO THAT OR NOT, GO AHEAD AND CONNECT, UH, RIVERSIDE TO, YOU KNOW, CROSS TOWN OR WHEREVER YOU WANT.
I WAS THINKING FOR ANYWHERE, MY FEELING IS MORE ANYWHERE IN THE CITY.
EVEN THOUGH THIS PHRASE BROUGHT UP THE NOTION THAT THE RIVERSIDE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE'RE CREEPING THAT DIRECTION.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT, UH, I'M, I WOULD OPPOSE THIS ON BEHALF OF THE SAFE.
MY QUESTION IS WHERE IS SOMEBODY SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO BUILD A METAL BUILDING OR WHATEVER, MIGHT YOU ANSWER ONE OF THESE FIVE CORNERS ELSEWHERE? AND I THINK, UM, ESPECIALLY ABOUT CHURCHES, UM, MIGHT AS WELL DRAG RELIGION INTO THE POLITICS.
THE CHURCH, NOT, I WISH THEM WELL.
AND, AND, UM, I HOPE THEY PROSPER IN SOMETHING OTHER THAN A METAL BUILDING.
WELL, THERE'S A WAY YOU CAN HELP THAT WILL PASS THE PLATE BEFORE WE LEAVE.
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NO PROBLEM.I'M NOT TIM MCKEON AND I LIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM YOUR OLD HOME PLACE.
DO YOU HAVE CABLE YET? YES, SIR.
UH, PRIOR TO 1992, THE CITY CONTROLLED THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS OUT OF THAT AREA IS EXTRA TERRITORY.
AND WHEN YOU FORCE AN EXODUS, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY CONTROL.
THEN YOU MADE A CORRIDOR, THIS BORDER THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND I CAME UP TO THE PLANNING BOARD BACK IN THE SIXTH, ON THE 6TH OF JUNE.
AND I SAID, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH BUD ON THIS ONE CASE, UH, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY GLEN BURNIE ROAD, ANY ROAD IS A QUARTER FOR THE CITY.
WHY IS IT OAKS ROAD? WHY IS IT SIMMONS STREET? CAN I SAY THAT TO MAKE THIS SECTION OF WHICH WE OWN? OUR FAMILY OWNS ABOUT 850 FOOT OF ROPE FROM EXCEPT SOUTH, THEN BERNIE RIGHT DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM MARTIN MARIETTA AND APPROXIMATELY 70 ACRES BETWEEN MARTIN MARIETTA AND RANDY'S CREE.
AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT TO BE STAGNANT IS GREAT.
WE DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA.
THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH IT.
OUR GRANDCHILDREN ARE GROWING UP RIGHT THERE.
AND I HOPE THAT ONE DAY THAT, UH, OUR GRANDSONS FARM THAT LAND JUST LIKE WE'RE FARMING.
WE PUT PIECES OUT OF IT IS I WANT TO, BECAUSE OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY IS STILL A FARM AND WE WANT TO KEEP IT THAT WAY.
SO I SAY THAT I'M FOR THIS THING, WE SHOULD REMOVE THAT SECTION OF SOUTH LINDBERGH.
IT'S NOT A QUARTER IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S AN EXIT PLAN, BERNIE TO GET TO, UH, THE CITY DOWNTOWN CITY OF NEWBURGH.
THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO COME DOWN THAT WAY ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LOST OR CONFUSED BY THE ROADWAY MARKERS.
THEY ENDED UP DOWN AT NORTH WIND BURNING THROUGH THOSE HOUSES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO IT REALLY IS NOT A CORRIDOR.
AND WE RESPECT THE SMITH, STAY JUST LIKE IT IS AS A STREET, TAKE THAT, MOVE IT TO CENTERS.
WE WOULD FEEL BETTER THAT YOU'RE SUBMITTING THAT IT DOESN'T STAY JUST LIKE IT IS.
I SAT HERE AND I SAW THE BOARD MEMBERS, THE PLANNING BOARD VOTE 62 AND I AGREED WITH THEM.
AND I THINK THAT, UH, THEY HAD THE RIGHT IDEA.
WELL, LEMME, Y'ALL SEE IF I CAN START UP ENTER DEPARTMENTAL FIGHT.
AND WE'VE HAD EVERYTHING ELSE, DANNY, UH, SINCE YOU'RE SORT OF A TRAFFIC EXPERT, AT LEAST WHEN WE COME UP TO SPENCER AVENUE AND THESE OTHER THINGS, WHY DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? NOT BEING A QUARTER IN THE FUTURE, BUT BEING IN A CAR TO THE DAY? UH, I WANT TO POINT OUT SAY THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I SAY I AGREE WITH, BUT ON THIS ISSUE, I FIND IN MY, THE ISSUE BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD, WHERE MY SIDE OF THE DITCH WAS WETLANDS ON HIS SIDE.
SO, I MEAN, BUT I DO AGREE WITH HIM, BUT WE DID HAVE A LOT OF WETLANDS RIGHT DIRECTLY BETWEEN US AND THE, UH, RANDY'S CREEK MINE COMPANY, WHERE RANDY'S PRETTY HEADQUARTERS COMES IN, HAS BEEN DESIGNATED WETLANDS.
THERE'S PROBABLY A SIX OR EIGHT ACRES RIGHT NOW THAT WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO USE FOR, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T USE AT ALL.
WHO'S DUMPING ALL THE CEMENT AND DIRTY SWAMP BACK THERE ON THAT PROPERTY.
WHAT'S THE NAME? WELL, THERE'S A LOT OF, I SAW A LOT OF PAVING AND TREE TRUNK TYPE STUFF OR DIRT BEING, I HAVE A 4 0 1 PERMIT, SIR.
I'M JUST ASKING A QUESTION BECAUSE I KNEW
SO THAT THAT'S YOUR PROPERTY POLICY.
HOW WAS THAT? A WHILE BACK NOTICE NOTICING DANNY YOU'VE HAD TIME TO THINK IT OVER AND PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE, SIR.
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I DON'T KNOW.YOU DON'T HAVE THE PEOPLE RIGHT BEHIND.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT, MAN.
WE NEED TO, MAYBE WE NEED TO ASK, I'VE BEEN THERE.
PLUS THE ANSWER MIGHT BE BUILDINGS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
THE, UM, WE WERE APPROACHED BY, UM, UH, TALKING TO BUILDING SYSTEMS, UH, THAT, UH, THERE WERE REAL MODELS WITH, TO BUILD THE EASY STORAGE BUILDINGS UNITS, BECAUSE THEY WERE BASICALLY ALL THE DOOR AND, UH, UH, ORDINANCE TALKS ABOUT THE SIDING.
UH, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE DOUBLE DOORS FOR SECURITY AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
AND, UH, THE DETERMINATION WAS MADE THAT THE LAYOUT OF THE SURFACE WAS A WAR WAS SO MINUSCULE AND THE WAY IT WAS SHOVED, WASN'T, LET'S DEVELOP A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN A COUPLE OF CASES AND ONE TECHNICIAN FOR HIS ASS, BUT BASICALLY ALL OF THE WORK.
AND SO HE MADE THE DETERMINATION THAT HE BASICALLY WAS ALL ON BOARD SO THAT HE REALLY COULD NOT BE AFFECTED WHETHER THAT WAS A PROPER DECISION OR NOT.
UH, I DON'T KNOW, UH, IN PRACTICE, HE SHOULD, HE WAS STUCK WITH, UH, OTHER MATERIALS, BUT IT SEEMED REASONABLE AT THE TIME.
UH, THE, UH, WHEN THE GENTLEMAN ASKED THAT QUESTION, I REALLY FORGOTTEN THAT THERE WAS SOME METAL THINGS GOING UP.
UM, AND NO MATTER WHERE YOU GO, SOME OF THE UGLIEST CONSTRUCTION IS, UH, IS TWO OR THREE BLOCKS OF STORAGE HOUSES.
I DON'T CARE WHERE YOU PUT THEM.
I MEAN, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T ADD, THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS PUT IN PERIOD.
I DON'T CARE IF IT'S ON THE HIGHWAY, IT JUST DO IT.
AND IF, AND IF, AND IF THE GENTLEMAN THAT PUT THIS ITEM UP CAN GET AWAY WITH SMALL STIPULATION OF, WELL, I GOT METAL DOORS AND EVERYTHING I SAID FINE.
THEN YOU HEARD IT, YOU KNOW, THE CHURCH.
AND I'M NOT SAYING IT BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN SUPREME B, BUT I AM SAYING THIS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A SIMPLE THING THAT, UH, I CAN'T SEE WHERE IT'S GOING TO DETERIORATE A CAR DOOR GOING IN THERE.
AND THEN, AND THEN THE OTHER, THE OTHER THING CAME UP IS A QUESTION.
WHY IS IT SIMILAR STREET? LET'S SAY, WHY IS IT SIMILAR STREET THERE? AND SYMMETRY AUTOMATICALLY OPENS UP THE FULL LANE UNTIL IT GETS, SAY A BLOCK DOWN THE ROAD.
AND THAT SAME DISTANCE IS PROBABLY THE SAME DISTANCE FROM THIS BOULEVARD ACROSS THE RAILROAD TRACK, TO WHERE, TO WHERE THE CHURCH IS.
UH, NOW I DON'T THINK, AND I DON'T LIVE ON THIS LAND AND THESE FOLKS DO, BUT DO YOU WANT 19,000 CARS GOING THROUGH THERE? I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WANT? WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE GOING TO GET THEM ANYWAY OR NOT.
I MEAN, WE COULD BLOCK IT OFF.
YOU WOULDN'T GET ANY ONE-ON-ONE I'M HEARING WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS IF THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S DESIRABLE TO HAVE THESE, ALL THESE CARS GOING DOWN THE HIGHWAY, THEN WE OUGHT TO BE DOING SOME PLANNING.
WE OUGHT TO BE PLANNING ON HOW TO STOP THAT FROM HAPPENING.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? WHY SHOULD WE JUST SIT BACK NORMAL? HE DON'T WANT 19,000 CARS GOING DOWN NATIONAL AVENUE.
THIS IS DESIGNATED BEFORE DOES NOT IMPACT TRACK, AFFECTS THE DESIGN STANDARDS AND LET, OKAY.
AND LET ME POINT OUT TO JUST, YOU JUST, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CALL A DUCK A CHICKEN, IT DOESN'T MAKE HIM A DUCK OR A CHICKEN HE'S WHATEVER HE IS.
AND YOU CAN CALL THAT WELL, BUT YOU CAN CALL THAT.
DO YOU THINK, WHY DO YOU THINK IT WALKS AND QUACKS LIKE A CAR? I DON'T
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THINK IT IS A CAR.IF YOU, IF, IF NOBODY, IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS BECAUSE YOU WERE PLANNING AND YOU WOULD HAVE COME TO TOWN, WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU CONSIDER THAT A CAR HONESTLY, BUT GETTING TO THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM? THAT'S MY QUESTION ORIGINALLY THAT STARTED THIS.
CAN I DRAW THAT QUESTION? THERE'S NO CONNECTION BETWEEN THE BOARD AND THE PLAN.
THAT'S THE APPLES AND ORANGES.
WHY IS THERE NO CONNECTION? IF 19,000 CARS ARE GOING DOWN? THE PLAN IS TO ESTIMATE
THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDINGS, OR A LONG STRETCH OF ROAD DOES NOT CONNECT WELL.
I'M NOT THAT STEVEN'S STUPID, BUT WAIT A MINUTE, LET, LET ME THROW THIS BACK AT HIM.
MY MOM, I'M GOING TO DO THIS ONE MORE TIME.
IF WE, AS A CITY AND IF THE RESIDENTS OF NATIONAL AVENUE DON'T WANT 19,000 CARS A DAY GOING DOWN THE STREET, SHOULD WE NOT AS A PLANNING DEPARTMENT, BE PLANNING ON SOME WAY TO KEEP THAT FROM HAPPENING.
IS THAT A STUPID QUESTION TO ASK OR DO WE JUST SIT BACK AND LET A COMPUTER MODEL, WHICH IS BASED ON THE WAY THINGS ARE GROWING, THAT'S ALL THE COMPUTER KNOWS HIS PAST HISTORY AND IT, UH, PROJECTS, WHAT IT THINKS IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
ARE WE JUST GOING TO SIT BACK AND LET IT? YOU MIGHT REDIRECT IT.
WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS TO MAN, THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN THAT THE BOARD AND THE DOCTORS EXCEPT IN US.
OKAY, WELL MAYBE WE SHOULD OKAY.
SO LET'S GO BACK AND SAY, WE DO DO THAT.
AND THEN THERE'S NOT A PROJECTED 19,000 CARS.
IT DOESN'T THAT WEAKEN YOUR ARGUMENT BECAUSE YOU USE THAT TO STRENGTHEN YOUR ARGUMENT IN THE BEGINNING OF ALL THIS AS IF WHY THAT SHOULD BE UP A CARB.
WELL, YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.
I THINK YOU COULD, IF YOU WERE ABLE TO DO THAT AND QUESTIONS FOR YOU GOING TO PUT THIS EXTRA, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY GOING.
YOU NOBODY'S EVER EXPLAINED TO ME WHY 19,000 CARS GO UP AND DOWN BARNEY.
MY NAME IS DEANNA FRAN AND I LIVE AT 2 0 5 PILOT STREET.
AND I'D LIKE TO BRIEFLY JUST SAY THAT I THINK ANY CHANGES, UM, SO THAT I DON'T THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE ANY EXCEPTIONS TO THIS PLAN AND IT SHOULD BE KEPT THE WAY IT IS, AND THIS SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED.
MY NAME'S MIKE MARSH AND I LIVE AT 200 DALE STREET IN WOODROW AND ALL THE TIME, I'M A MEMBER OF THAT CHURCH.
THEY WEREN'T DONE IN THE COMPUTER MODEL.
UH, WE'RE JAMA 185 UNTIL THE MINI ICE OR SOMETHING.
THIS CHURCH WAS FORECAST TO HOLD SOMEWHERE OVER 400, I BELIEVE IS, UH, WE'RE PROJECTING TO PUT MORE THAN A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY INTO THAT BUILDING.
SOMEBODY BROUGHT UP AND YOU WANT A DRUG REHABILITATION CENTER NEXT DAY.
WE'LL TAKE IT IF YOU'RE A LITTLE BIT FOR HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.
SO I'M JUST GOING TO TAKE CARE OF MAYBE THAT SHOULD BE OVER ON WE'RE SO CONCERNED ABOUT IT BEING A QUARTER.
WE'VE GOT A CATALOG SHOOT RIGHT DOWN THERE, WHEREVER THE TRACKS WE HAVE, GOD KNOWS HOW MANY GAS TANKS SET UP THERE AND OPEN FIELD.
SO IF WE'RE KIND OF SO CONCERNED WITH THE STAND FORWARD, WE CLEANED IT UP.
I GO DOWN THE STREET ALL THE TIME AND I HATE TO USE THE TERM UP THE STREETS.
NO ONE HAS TAKEN ANY CARE WE'RE PROPOSING, BUT A VERY WELL CONSTRUCTED, UH, ENGINEERED BUILDING IN THERE PROFESSIONALLY LANDSCAPED TO ADD TO THE BEAUTY OF THE HISPANICS AND THE WHOLE AREA TO SERVE MORE THAN TWICE, THE CURRENT NUMBER OF PEOPLE WE'RE SERVING.
NOW, UH, I THINK I WOULD JUST ASK THAT THE BOARD LISTEN TO WHAT THE ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED AND THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE OF THIS CHANGE.
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ANYBODY.SO THOSE OF YOU WHO LEFT VERSAILLES, I'M GOING TO ASSUME FOR A MINUTE THAT SOME, YOU GO SOUND ON 17.
DON'T WHEN BERNIE WROTE, BUT YOU SEE THE SAME THING ON YOUR END, A BLEND RUNNING BIRD THAT WE SEE ON THE END.
WHAT I SEE THEN IN GLEN BURNIE ROAD IS THE BOARD OF EDUCATION BUILDING, WHICH IS HANDSOME.
I SEE BEAUTIFUL BRICK WALLS AS THEY DO OFFICE AREAS.
AND I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY THE OTHER END I'LL EXPLAIN THAT TO YOU.
THAT WAS ROAD WAS NOT EVEN IN EXISTENCE WHEN THEY ARE.
THEY IN THE GLEN BURNIE WAS GLEN BURNIE.
THERE WAS NO SUCH THING AS A NORTH AND A SOUTH.
YOU KNOW, THE OTHER ONE HAS BEEN THERE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, AND IT'S, DON'T TAKE MANY, MANY YEARS TO LOOK LIKE THE OTHER HAND.
AND IF THAT AREA NEEDS TO BE CLEANED UP, THEN THE RESIDENTS OF THAT AREA NEED TO TAKE ON THAT JOB, CLEAN IT UP.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WE CAN HELP ENFORCE THAT BY KEEPING THOSE THINGS THAT WE'VE ALREADY PUT IN PLACE.
SORRY, THE CONVERSATION I'M GOING TO BE EDUCATED, BE JUST ENOUGH FOR ME TO GET.
I THOUGHT THAT THE BOARD OF EDUCATION BUILDING WAS A STEEL BUILDING.
ALSO A MELBOURNE HENDERSON DOLL HENDERSON, THE, THE, UH, WOULD YOU, WILL YOU DONE, I MEAN, THE QUESTION THAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO IS WE'RE SAYING ON THE ONE HAND THAT WE'VE GOT TO CHANGE THE WHOLE ORDINANCE AND ALL THAT IN ORDER TO LET THIS CHURCH BILL, THE OLD BUILDING.
AND I HAVE HEARD THE TERM OF VARIANTS USED SINCE I'VE BEEN THE MAYOR FOR A YEAR AND A HALF.
AND YOU MEAN, THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN HAVE A VARIANCE OF THAT CHURCH.
IF THEY WANT TO HAVE A SIDEWALK, YOU CAN'T HAVE, OH, NO, SORRY.
PAYING, UH, VARIANCES ARE, UM, TO BE USED IN SITUATIONS THEY'RE RETURNED TO THE RISKS ABOUT THE PROPERTY THAT ARE DIFFERENT CHARACTERISTICS OF EXISTING PROPERTY THAT NIGHT GET FEARFUL THROUGH SOME HARDSHIP ON
THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING ABOUT CHARACTERISTIC OF THE PLAIN AREA OR, OR FREQUENT IN THE ROOM OR WHATEVER THAT MAKES IT THROUGH.
YOU NEED TO GET SOME RELIEF FROM A SETBACK OR A BLOCK COVERAGE REQUIREMENT OR THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
MR. WARD JUST MENTIONED SOMETHING TO ME REGARDING THE ORDINANCE COULD BE CHANGED TO ACCOMMODATE WHAT KIND OF BUILDINGS LIKE BUILDING THE BILL.
BUT, BUT THAT WILL BE OVER KILLED WITH A PLAN DEPARTMENT, I GUESS.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN? YOU'RE SAYING HE COULD STILL LEAVE IT A CAR.
THEY WANT US TO CHANGE IT FROM MY CAR BACK TO WHAT IT WAS.
WHO DID THEY WANT US TO CHANGE AT ALL? LET US WANT TO LEAVE IT AS IT IS AS A CAR.
WELL, Y'ALL KIND OF, I MEAN, 11 CAN WE CALL THE QUESTION FROM CLOSING THE PUPPY HERE? YEAH.
ALL IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND SAY ALL OPPOSED.
I'M NOT DOING THIS TO THE CHURCH.
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MILLIONS WRONG.HOW DO YOU DENY A CAR ON ONE MILE WHEN YOU GOT BETWEEN THAT PIECE OF ROAD AND TOWN, YOU GOT FIVE MILES, FOUR MILES, A LITTLE DESIGNATION.
IT'S IT'S LIKE YOU JUST SIT, YOU TOOK ONE ROAD AND DRIVE THE CAR AND IT'S NOT, SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN THERE.
MY AND GREG TAKE THEIR JOB EXTREMELY SERIOUS IF THEY DID, THAT WOULD WORK.
THIS IT'D BE WORKING, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO I HAVE RUN INTO, I HAVE A FEW OF THE NIGHT, BUT, UH, IT SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN THIS CAR.
NOT GOING TO LEAVE EVERYTHING IN TOWN.
SO WHY TAKE THAT ONE SECOND? IT'S LIKE, BOOM, WE DON'T MIND GET A CAR.
AND I GUESS MY, WHAT I WAS HEARING IS THAT REMOVING THE CARTER NATION IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE FACT THAT IT MAY BE FOUR LANES.
SO FOUR LANES IN THAT SECTION AND THE CAR, IT'S TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES, BUT WE'RE GOING TO THROW THE FOUR LANE AND OUT OF THE FACT THAT HE KNOWS IT SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN DESIGNATED THE CAR, IN MY OPINION.
AND THEREFORE I'M GOING TO THE PLAN BOARD.
I DON'T ALWAYS AGREE WITH HIM.
SO I AGREE WHEN YOU CLOSE THAT, AS SOON AS THE CAR SECOND, SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, PLEASE? YES, YES, YES, YES.
AND I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT PLEASE.
IN OUR MINDS, NOTHING TO DO WITH RIVERSIDE AT THIS TIME, THE DISC AND THAT, I MEAN, YOU MAY DISAGREE, BUT IT REALLY DOES.
I MEAN, WE, WE WOULDN'T BE AGREEING TO SPEND MONEY TO BEAUTIFY RIVERSIDE, IF NOT ARE IN TAMPA, RIVERSIDE, BAM.
IT'S DOWN TO THE MISCELLANEOUS.
I WANT TO BE OUT OF HERE BY 10 AND APPROVED TO CONSIDER.