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WE NEED ONE OF THOSE LITTLE MOVIE BOARDS THAT THEY CLICK, YOU KNOW, AND GO ACT TWO, SCENE FOUR.
WHO ARE WE MISSING? EVERYBODY'S ABLE TO NOW WE'RE READY.
WE'RE AT WORK, UNLESS YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE THAT GREAT FROM ALL THE PANEL.
WELL, IF THE CONSENT AGENDA IS NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY, I'LL MAKE A MOTION, WE ADOPT THE CONSENT AGENDA.
ANY DISCUSSION OF THE CONSENT AGENDA? ALL IN FAVOR.
WELL, NOW WE HAVE A GROUP OF FOLKS THERE THAT DON INVITED.
SO DON, YOU MIGHT WANT TO EXPLAIN WHO THEY ARE AND WHY THEY HAVE TIRED AND FELT THAT, UH, I WAS SITTING LAST WEEK ABOUT A SITUATION AND I DIDN'T MEAN TO STEP ON ALL THE JUICE TOES INDIVIDUALLY, YOU KNOW, PATIENTLY LISTENING TO THIS I DEAL WITH.
UM, SO ANYWAY, UH, IT BOILS DOWN TO, THERE IS A CON THAT WAS DUG AND OLD TACH.
A LOT OF PEOPLE, WELL, A LOT OF PEOPLE PROPERTY AROUND AND, AND, AND THE DEVELOPER IS CUTTING A CANAL, I GUESS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD BETWEEN THE POND AS IT SITS NOW AND KIND OF RIVER.
SO IT'S GOING TO OPEN UP SO THAT, UH, THE DEVELOPER HAVE 10 PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN WORKING THE LAST COUPLE OF THREE YEARS, GETTING PERMITS, BUT, UH, AMAZING RINGING IN THE POND OUT, PROBABLY THINKING ABOUT AND, AND TALKING TO PEOPLE AND LOOKING AT PROPERTY.
THERE ARE A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS IN MY MIND AS TO WHY WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW US TO HAPPEN RIGHT NOW.
AS I UNDERSTAND FROM MY, AND MY BABY, THE BEST INFORMATION WE CAN IN OUR DOORS IS ACTUALLY BEEN CHARGED WITH THIS.
AND BERNARD CAME SO NOT, HE'S GONE TO ARMY RESERVE, KANSAS.
HE'S NOT AT CAMP WINTER OR WHATEVER.
UH, ANYWAY, UM, I'M NOT LOOKING AT THEIR DAY.
AND WHAT I HAD HEARD IS BEING PROPOSED IN MY OPINION, WOULD BE TOTALLY UNSUITABLE FOR THE AREA.
NOW I TALKED TO LONNIE TODAY, ALSO IN
SO I HADN'T BEEN OUT OF THE MEETING TO TALK ABOUT NIGHT.
THEY DECIDED NOT TO, BUT HE SAID, HE'D BE WILLING TO SIT DOWN WITH MIKE MIGHT MADE A SUGGESTION TO HAVE A MEETING WITH ALL THE FOLKS AND THIS MAN MR. BRENTON, AND DISCUSS, DISCUSS ISSUE.
SO THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE HERE FOR.
WELL, LET ME UPDATE YOU ON WHAT, WHAT HAS HAPPENED THERE.
AND DON, I GUESS MESSI EXPLAINED IT.
UH, THE PROBLEM IS, AND WE'VE HAD DISCUSSION OUTSIDE IS THAT I DON'T THINK THE RESIDENTS HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE DREDGING MORE SO AS THEY ARE REALLY MARINA BEING OPEN AS A PUBLIC MARINA, NOTHING EXTRA PROBLEM.
AND THEN A CHAT WITH MY AVERY TO SEE WHAT COULD BE DONE IN TERMS OF THE CITY, DO ANYTHING AND ALSO COMPENSATED WITH THE ATTORNEY RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS SAID, THERE IS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T STOP.
BUT RIGHT NOW, AS MIKE WAS SAYING EARLIER, UH, UH, WHO'S DOING DEVELOPMENT.
WHO'S DOING DEVELOPING LONNIE.
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HAS NOT COME BEFORE THE BOARD OF, OR THE PLANNING ZONING GROUP WITH ANY TYPE OF PLANS WRITTEN IN STONE.AND THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO DO IT FURTHER CONVERSATION.
I THINK WE CAME TO A CENSUS THAT MAYBE, UM, THE CITY ATTORNEY AND ALSO MIKE MAY NEED TO GET TOGETHER TO REALLY, I GUESS YOU MIGHT SAY A TURBOT IF THERE ISN'T A CONTROL ON HOW MANY SLIPS OR DOTS CAN BE PUT IN THAT AREA.
BUT I, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT, UH, UH, IF THE GENTLEMAN HAS NOT YET PUT ANYTHING OUT THERE IN TERMS OF THIS IS WHAT HE WANTS TO DEVELOP, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE FIGHTING OFF BECAUSE HE HADN'T COME BEFORE THE BOARD AND TELL US, I WANT TO PUT 18 SLIPS OUT HERE.
ALL FIVE, UH, CAM HAS ALREADY APPROVED THE DREDGE AND, UM, CORE ENGINEERS ALREADY APPROVED ADVANTAGE.
AND THEY'VE APPROVED ALL OF THAT.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE THING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, AND MAYBE WE CAN GET IT DONE TOMORROW IS FOR MIKE AND THE ATTORNEY TO GET TOGETHER AND HOPEFULLY WITH, UH, LONNIE TO SEE, AND ALONG WITH WHENEVER REPRESENTATIVES TO SEE WHERE LANI IS IN TERMS OF DEVELOPING AFTER HE DOES THE DREDGING.
CAUSE I, I DON'T SEE HOW WE COULD STOP IT.
NO, WELL, WE CAN'T STOP WELL AFTER I TALKED TO MIKE AND I, WE CANNOT, OKAY.
WELL, WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO, I HAVE BEEN BLIND AND AS A CAUSE TO ME, THAT THE PROBLEMS EVEN THAT THEY HAD HAD WITH WARNING IS NOT REALLY, IT'S NOT EVEN THE DOC, WHAT WE NEED TO PASS AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT OR WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO SO THAT IF YOU ARE GOING TO BUILD A MARINAS, YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE PARKING FOR IT.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, WHAT HE HAS PROPOSED IS TO HAVE THE GREEN WITH ABSOLUTELY NO PARKING AT ALL AVAILABLE FOR THE ROOM.
IT IS INCONCEIVABLE THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE A BOAT OUT THERE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO USE, AND THEY ARE NOT PERMITTED TO DRIVE CARS AND PAUL, SO I'M NOT QUESTIONING THE MARINE
I THINK WE WOULD BE REMISS IF WE DID NOT COME UP WITH A REQUIREMENT FOR PARKING FOR MARINA.
AND I KNOW IT'S NOT RESALE THAT GLOBAL BRAND IS ONLY TO THE EXTENT SUPPOSEDLY THAT LION IS GOING TO BUILD IT AND THEN SELL IT TO THE RESONANCE OF OLD THAT LIVE OUT THERE THAT DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO WATER THAT IS RICK RATIONALE BEHIND ITSELF.
BUT EVEN, EVEN UNDER THOSE CONDITIONS, PARKING HAS GOT TO BE HANDLED OR ELSE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE.
LET'S SEE, DON I'M OPPOSITE OF THAT.
IF YOU BUILD IT JUST FOR, FOR THE PEOPLE IN THERE THAT ARE NOT LIVING ACTUALLY ON THE WAR, I WOULD THINK, LET IT REMAIN AS IT IS IN TERMS OF YOUR BORDERS AND YOUR GREENERY AREA, AND POSSIBLY HAVE A WALKWAY WIDE ENOUGH TO HAVE A CAR.
IF YOU CARRY SOMETHING TO YOUR BOAT, BECAUSE THEN ONCE YOU DO THE PARKING LOT, IF IT'S RIGHT OFF THE MAIN ROAD GOING INTO OLD TOWN, THEN YOU CREATE SUB LOOK SOMEWHAT COMMERCIAL IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
WELL, IF YOU DON'T, I MEAN, SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LIVE WELL.
IF YOU, IF YOU ELIMINATE THE POCKET, MAYBE YOU ELIMINATE A BUNCH OF SLIPS THAT THEY POSSIBLY MAY HAVE OUT THERE.
WELL,
IT'S NOT A FAD, MAYBE HELPFUL.
UM, MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UM, I'M AL BELL.
I AM HERE TONIGHT AS A NEW RESIDENT IN THE CITY OF NEWBURGH.
I KNOW SOME OF YOU, SOME OF YOU, I DID NOT KNOW I'VE BEEN LIVING ON HARBOR ISLAND ROAD NOW FOR ABOUT SEVEN YEARS.
IT'S NOT ONE THING UNTIL SUNDAY.
AND ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS SAID, ARE YOU AWARE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BUILD MARINA IN YOUR FRONT YARD? I TOOK THAT TO BE AN EXAGGERATION, BUT
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NOT MUCH.THERE IS LITERALLY A MARINA PLAN THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT MAN HAD THE BENEFIT OF TALKING ABOUT CREDIT THAT IS CONTEMPLATED TO INCLUDE SPACE FOR 18 TO 30 FEET IN LENGTH.
AND I TALKING ABOUT CAUSE PROBLEMS DRIVING CORRECTLY, MR. MCDOWELL DID IS UPON.
AND I'M TALKING BY SIGNIFICANT BODY OF THE UPON, BUT WE'RE NOT HERE TONIGHT.
AND I WILL SAY WE, THIS GROUP AND IS SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER, WHICH WE'LL SPARE, UH, ADDING HERE FROM, I KNOW THE WAY OUR VIEW FOR BLESSING ON WHAT WE WOULD LIKE AS THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD, WE THINK, AND I'VE GOT INFORMATION THAT I'D LIKE TO PASS ON TO YOU.
IT'S WHAT I AT LEAST BELIEVE IS A FAIRLY GOOD POSITIONING REGARDING A RIGHT OR A REQUIREMENT THAT, UH, MR. BRIDGES WOULD HAVE FOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS NOT THE CLEAREST AREA IN THE WORLD.
WE'RE CALLED THE MARINE SPECIFICALLY ARE NOT COVERED BY LAND USE DOCUMENTS.
I GUESS CONCEPT IS SIMPLY NOT SPECIFIC.
WHAT WE DO IS YOU'VE GOT A SUBSTANTIAL GROUP OF PEOPLE, SOME OF WHOM ARE HERE TONIGHT THAT WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN AND SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS.
ONE JUST TO PRESENT THEIR VIEW AND EXACTLY WHAT TO SAY OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, THEY HAD BEEN TOLD THAT THIS WILL HAPPEN.
YEAH, I'VE HEARD THAT ALSO IN SOME CASES, THAT WAS THE SIGNIFICANT FACTOR IN THEIR DECISION TO BUY THIS ALL CAME UP A YEAR AND A HALF, MAYBE TWO YEARS AGO, ENVOY HAD EVEN FOLLOWED HER ATTORNEY AND THE ISSUE ACCOMPLISHED TWO THINGS.
THE DREDGING, THE OPEN, THE CANAL, WHICH I DON'T THINK PEOPLE FRANKLY TAKE THAT WE HAVE WATERFRONT PROPERTY WELL, BUT THE ISSUE OF THE MARINA CAME UP SEVERAL YEARS AGO AS WELL.
AND THEIR UNDERSTANDING, UM, THAT, THAT GUY THAT DID NOT HAPPEN, THAT PERHAPS THE DREDGING WOULD HAVE NOT OCCURRED.
THAT WAS NOT GOING TO GO FALL.
WE'RE NOT HERE TO ARGUE IN ANY SENSE ABOUT PROPERTY RIGHTS AND MY LORD, I GUESS ANYBODY IN THIS ROOM, BUT WE DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE ROOTS.
THERE ARE, THERE SHOULD BE RULES AND THE RULES WE BELIEVE DRIVING.
UH, WE DON'T WANT TO ARGUE THE MERITS.
YOU DON'T NEED TO HEAR THEM TONIGHT, FRANKLY.
WE'RE NOT PREPARED TO PRESENT.
UH, IF WE HAVE TO, IF YOU REQUIRE, LIKE FOR US TO, WE WILL THINK IS A BETTER FORUM AND BE IN A HEARING FORMAT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
BUT WE DID, I DO HAVE, AND I UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE THAT THE CITY CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
I, I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE ON TRYING TO EXPLAIN THAT I HOPE THE SAME TERM, BUT IT CONTEMPLATES.
I SHOULD HAVE SAID THE GANG IS PROJECT ON THURSDAY THIS WEEK.
SO THEY MEETING WITH MR.
BUT IF WE UNDERSTAND IT RIGHT NOW ON THURSDAY, THIS PROJECT GETS UNDERWAY.
THE PRIVATE RIGHT NOW DOES NOT INCLUDE THE ISSUE OF THE MARINA IS ALL DRAGGING.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE WHAT ANYBODY DOES OTHER THAN PERHAPS MR. PRIDGEN AT THIS TIME, THIS IS NOT A MR. PRIDGEN ISSUE.
HE IS IN GOOD FAITH DOING WHAT HE DOES TO MAKE CONTINUED DEVELOPMENT.
WE IN THE STRONGEST POSSIBLE TERMS, DISAGREE WITH THAT.
AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT
AND THAT CHARACTER IS NOT A ONE THAT WILL BE ENHANCED BY A MARINA THAT PROVIDES CHARACTERIZE.
IT IS INTENDED AS WE UNDERSTAND, MAYBE PAY FIREFIGHTERS, BUT RIGHT NOW WOULD BE A GREENER THAT WOULD PROVIDE SLIPS, WHICH WOULD BE SO PART OF THE CONVEYANCE IS CONSIDERED ON THE, WHATEVER THAT WAS BOUGHT OFF SIDE BY THAT.
I MEAN AWAY FROM, WELL, I DON'T HAVE THE SLIGHTEST IDEA OF WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THAT PERSON THEN SELLS THE PROPERTY.
CONVEYED SEPARATELY COULD GO WITH IT GETTING STOPPED, WHICH BROTHER-IN-LAW, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW THAT ANY PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERSHIP HAS SOME AMERICAN PEOPLE PAID PREMIUM DOLLARS, THEN WENT IN THERE.
THEY DID A GOOD FAITH BELIEF IN WHAT THEY SAW AND WHAT THEY SAW ON, ON MAPS AND PROPOSED A DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THERE WAS WHAT THEY COULD CONFRONT.
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AND SO IN THAT SENSE, PEOPLE WHO DID MAKE THAT DECISION BASED ON INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS TO BUILD UP AND NOW WE'RE CONFRONTED WITH WHAT, FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE, IT'S A LEGITIMATE ISSUE.WE KNOW, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT A YEAR OR SO AGO, THE QUESTION THAT WAS RAISED AS TO WHETHER THERE WERE VALID QUESTIONS, VERY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS RAISED BY MR.
AND DAVID VERY FULL, COMPLETE, AND SPECIFIC ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS.
AND THE ISSUE ESSENTIALLY PRESENTED WAS THIS IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUIRING UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES, CIRCUMSTANCES WERE LAID OUT AND SPECIFIC TERMS AND THE CONCLUSION WAS IT IS NOT.
HOWEVER, MR. MOORE ALSO INCLUDED THIS WILL NOT SURPRISE ANY OF YOU.
HE SAID HE EXPLAINED HIS RESPONSE AND HE SAYS, IF YOU SHOULD BE AWARE OF ANY OTHER PROVISION OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE THAT WOULD CAST SOME LIGHT ON THIS, PLEASE SHARE, UH, CLEARLY ASKING FOR IT.
IF FOR WHATEVER REASON THERE WAS ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO BE CONSIDERED, YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT IT RESPECTFULLY.
I HOPE TONIGHT I WOULD ADD AT LEAST TWO PIECES THAT MIGHT BE NOT UNDERSTANDING THE GRAY AREA WE HAVE THE SPECIAL USE LAND USE.
OH, THAT ADDRESSES THE QUESTION THAT MR. WORLD ASKED SPECIFICALLY AND 6.21 A MIKE DAVID, SPECIFICALLY ASKING ONE OF THE 6.2, ONE OF THE SITUATION THAT THE SPECIAL USE REQUIREMENTS WOULD EXIST IN THE SITUATION INVOLVING IF MARINA VELEZ KEPT PRIVATE PRIVATELY OUTSIDE RECREATION FACILITIES, SUCH AS OFFERING COUNTRY CLUBS, TENNIS CLUB, ET CETERA, ARE NOT CONSTRUCTED FROM AT ALL THE HORIZON WITH CONSTRUCTION, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, MR. WARD, I BELIEVE PERFECTLY CORRECT AND SAID ALL OUTSIDE.
HE SAID THOSE WERE GRANDER SCOPE.
UH, HE DID NOT, UH, NASA WITH THIS PROPOSED, I BELIEVE YOU SAID.
HOWEVER, IN THE SAME IN THE LAND USE JORDAN SPECIFICALLY FIT ONE 40 MEN AS IT RELATES TO THE MISERABLE USES, BUT IT ALSO SAYS 14 DASH 15 DASH 1 49 D ALL THE ISSUES THAT ARE NOT LISTED IN THE TABLE, MOST OF USES USERS.
THE DO NOT HAVE IMPACTS THAT ARE SIMILAR TO THOSE OF UNLISTED USE AS FAR AS WELL.
I DON'T KNOW IF I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT LANGUAGE IS IN THERE OTHER THAN TO READ IT AS IT, AS IT IS YOUR PEERS.
AND THAT IS IT DOESN'T FALL IN THE CATEGORY OR IN THE GENERAL SCOPE OF THE CATEGORY IS NOW PROHIBITED WOULD LEAVE YOU WITH PROBLEM WITH THAT SPECIAL USE.
WHEN WE GO TO CHANGE THE ISSUE.
IT'S NOT IN 6.2
AND MR. WARD FOUND THAT, CORRECT.
YOU ALSO ASKED IF THERE HAD BEEN MORE INFORMATION ON THAT 51 49 YEARS.
AND I THINK IT SAYS FALL IN THERE FOR IT.
IT'S AT LEAST AN ISSUE THAT WE FEEL WE'RE COMFORTABLE RAISING CONNECTION WITH THE HEROES.
SECONDLY, 1 15, 1 48, I BELIEVE CONTEMPLATES THE SITUATION YOU GOT HERE TONIGHT.
I WON'T READ THE WHOLE THING AND WHAT IT SEEMS TO BE.
EVEN IF WE HAVE DECIDED THAT A SPECIAL NEWS IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR WHATEVER REASON, IF YOU FIND SUBSTANTIAL CONTROVERSY, THIS THEN IT'S APPROPRIATE TO HAVE BOTH SAID THAT THIS REPRESENTS A SMALL PORTION OF THE GROUP THAT DOESN'T CONSTITUTE SUBSTANTIAL CONTROVERSY.
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HERE IN MAKING THE DETERMINATION ZONING ADMINISTRATOR WILL CONSIDER MY MATTER OF FACT, WHETHER THE USE PROPOSED SKIP ON NOW, WHETHER THE USERS WOULD POSE FOR A SITE THAT POSES PECULIAR TRAFFIC OR OTHER PASSENGERS, MR. MCDOWELL SAID, YOU'VE BEEN THERE.YOU WILL SEE THERE IS NO TRAFFIC.
THERE IS NO PARKING PLACE THERE.
IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF BEING TIRED.
THE DISTANCE BETWEEN ME AND THE MAYOR IS GREATER THAN THE DISTANCE BETWEEN OUR STREET AND THIS WALL OR OTHER HAZARDS OR DIFFICULT.
AND WHETHER THE PROPOSED USE IS SUBSTANTIALLY UNIQUE OR LIKELY TO HAVE IMPACTS AND DIFFER SUBSTANTIALLY FROM THOSE PRESENTED BY OTHER USES THAT ARE PERMISSIBLE IN THE ZONING DISTRICT.
IN QUESTION, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY QUESTION THAT WE HAVE.
WE HAVE A SUBDIVISION CONTEMPLATED FROM DAY ONE, PRIVATE DOCK OWNERSHIP.
SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO PAY THE MONEY TO BUY A LOT THAT HAD ACCESS TO THE
I, AS SEVERAL OF, YOU KNOW, NONE BETTER THAN THIS EXPERT, UH, I AM SIMPLY GIVING YOU THE QUICK FACTS AND THE LAND USE ORBITS.
THE GOOD NEWS IS WE'RE NOT BEATING OUR CHEST HERE.
WE'RE SAYING IF THERE WAS A CHANCE WE NEED TO
WELL, I THINK THE BASIC PROBLEM ABOVE EVERYTHING ELSE IS THE FACT THAT YOU, THAT YOU STATED IN THE BEGINNING THAT YOU FOLKS DON'T KNOW.
AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF US REALLY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT HE INTENDS TO DO.
I DO HAVE A MAP THAT IS THE BEST EVIDENCE AS I UNDERSTAND IT IS SPECIFIC.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW THE VOTERS ON THE NORTH WEST SIDE
WE NEED LANI THERE AND WE NEED ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE THERE.
AND THEN WE, WE DO THE RIGHT THING, WHATEVER THAT WHAT WE DID NOT WANT TO DO.
AND THAT'S THE REASON WE WERE ANXIOUS TO BE HERE AT NIGHT.
IF WE UNDERSTAND IT'S PRODUCT SLATED TO START ON THURSDAY, WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE INVESTMENTS THAT WE CAN FABRICATE FRONT.
THAT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS STOP.
AT LEAST THE FORTUNATE, THIS BAND MEMBERS OF BOARD SCRAPPING.
AND THAT'S THE WAY I KNOW ELSA DOES CRACK.
UH, HIS FATHER WAS ALBERT BELL, WHO WAS A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS UNTIL THE DAY HE DIED.
AND THIS YOUNG MAN, THIS YOUNG MAN WAS AT WORK IN OUR OFFICE DURING ONE OF HIS SUMMERS WHILE HE WAS IN WAR.
THE PROBLEM IS, I SAID, SCRAPPY IS THAT THIS BULL CAN'T UNDER THIS ORDER, MAKE A DECISION THAT THERE MUST BE A HEARING.
NOW AT THE TIME I WAS ASKED ABOUT THIS, WHAT GOT ME IN AT THE FIRST PLACE.
YOU DIDN'T WANT TO KNOW IF HE AND I'VE BEEN OFF, IT COULD SIT DOWN AND TALK TO ME.
HE'S BEEN OFF IN ONE OF THE SLIP.
ACTUALLY, THIS THING HAD BEEN GOING ON FOR A YEAR OR TWO BEFORE THAT WAS, IT WAS BACK.
WHAT WAS THE DATE OF THAT LETTER? IT WAS LAST YEAR WHEN YES, YOUR RESPONSE TO US, BUT I'VE DONE JUST IDENTIFY THE YEAR.
UH, I TOLD THEM WHEN THEY CAME IN AND TALKED TO ME, I TOLD LANI AND BEN THAT THIS WAS A STAFF DECISION AND I COULDN'T DIRECT THEM AND WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO.
AND I HAVE A LETTER IN MY FILE AND WHICH LANI ACKNOWLEDGES THAT I TOLD HIM.
THE ONLY THING I COULD DO WOULD BE TO ADVISE STAFF NOW, AS STAFF EVER MADE A DECISION AS TO WHETHER THE A, A ZONING PERMIT OR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT WAS NECESSARY UNDER THE ORDINANCE, AS IT EXISTS, THIS BOARD CANNOT SAY TO STAFF, YOU GOT TO HAVE IT HERE.
AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU ADDRESSED ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS AND WHAT YOU HAVE TALKED ABOUT.
AND THE FRONT OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE TO STAFF EVENTS, STAFF, THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE A HEARING SHORT OF THAT.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU SIT DOWN AS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED HERE TONIGHT,
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SIT DOWN WITH THE GROUP OF OLD TOWN OWNERS WHO WERE INTERESTED WITH LANI.I DON'T REPRESENT LAI
WE SIMPLY COULD NOT MATCH IT UP AND MAKE YOU AWARE.
WE ALL KNOW WE CAN'T MAKE BARNARD, ALL THE HEARING.
COULD WE STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT HE DOES HAS A LITTLE NOTE OR I KNOW PROBATION AND WELL, I THINK YOU JUST WAIT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENED.
I THINK WHEN YOU HAVE A HEARING SOME LEGAL OPINION, CONTROVERSY, IF THERE'S SIGNIFICANT CONTROVERSY, I THINK YOU'LL HAVE IT HERE.
WE APPRECIATE THE SPIRIT IN WHICH WE'VE BEEN RECEIVED, AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE WANT TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THAT OPPORTUNITY.
WE WILL THEN TAKE THE NEXT STEP.
WHEN DOES HE COME BACK? VERY GOOD, BUT WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT
NO, BUT I WOULD THINK HE WOULD WANT ONE DELAY IT A FEW DAYS.
IF, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.
UH, MIKE, UH, EVEN, WELL, WE KIND OF GOT A FEELING RIGHT NOW THAT WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO STOP YOUR DREDGING, BUT WHEN HE COMES, COMES UP WITH HIS ACTUAL PLANS TO DO IT, UM, DOCK DECK AND EVERYTHING, AND THIS AND THE ROTE DOCS, WOULD THAT COME BEFORE YOUR BOARD TO HAVE APPROVAL FIRST
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT NOW WITH THAT.
I STILL SAY WE HAVE HOME NET LAND USE ORDINANCE.
IF WE DON'T ALLOW A MARINE TO BE BIT THAT HAS NO PARKING, AND WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT, THAT ISSUE, PERIOD.
I MAY FORGET THIS IS WHAT I MEAN.
THAT'S LIKE BUILDING A SHOPPING CENTER WITH NO PARKING.
PLUS YOU HAVE THE SAFETY CONCERNS.
ALSO NOT AN ARENA SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED IN THE TABLE.
THIS WILL USES THE ONE OUT IS THE IN SECTION 51 49.
UH, THERE IS IN PARAGRAPH A, A SECTION THAT SAYS A STATEMENT THAT SAYS THAT ALL USES OF LAND CONVEYED, WHETHER OR NOT WATER IS INTRODUCED TO LAND USE IS, UH,
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ARE ASSUMED TO BE PERMITTED IN THE CITY, ONE ZONING DISTRICT ON THE OTHER.THEREFORE THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR CAN MAKE THE DETERMINATION THAT IT IS SIMILAR TO ANOTHER LAND USE CLASSIFICATION TABLE.
THIS IS WHERE USES THAT YOU CAN APPLY THOSE SAME STANDARDS.
I GUESS THE ISSUE WHERE WE DEALT WITH THE QUESTION, MR. WARD WAS WE GOT THAT SECTION AT THE PREFERENCE OF PLASTIC PATIENT PREFERENCE THAT MIGHT BE CLOSELY ALIGNED SECTIONS OF THIS YEAR, THE IMPACT TO THE REVIEWS.
AND THAT WAS DETERMINED AT THE TIME, NOT NECESSARILY A CORRELATION, I GUESS THEY WOULD BE LOOKING AT THAT.
THERE IS NOW IN THAT IT'S NOT IN THE TABLE.
WE CAN STILL MAKE A DETERMINATION THAT IT'S SIMILAR IMPACT TO ANOTHER USE ON THE TABLE AND APPLY THOSE KINDS OF PERMITS STANDARDS.
YOU WANT US, YOU WANT US TO BRING SOMETHING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT MARINES? WELL, I WANT SOMETHING THAT THIS SHORT FOR THE PEOPLE IS USED IN THE MARINE.
MINE IS JUST RECALLING WHAT WE DEALT WITH.
THE LAND USE ORDINANCE AND 92 THAT WE DID ATTEMPT TO PRESS ARENAS, BUT THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, FOR WHATEVER REASON, I HAD ONE LAST QUESTION I LIKE TO AT LEAST LEAVE WITH YOU.
CAUSE IT MAKES IT CLEAR TO YOU WHAT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS, BUT AS I READ THE SECTION REGARDING SUBDIVISIONS, I UNDERSTAND THIS ENTIRE BOOK, WHETHER AS CONTEMPLATE THAT THIS PARTICULAR DIVISION LINE, I THINK YOU CAN TURN AND READ.
IF IT'S ALREADY GOT, YOU CAN READ THAT DEFINITION AND MAKE A VERY STRONG ARGUMENT THAT IT DOES.
I'M CURIOUS, DOES THAT SIMPLIFY SOME OF THESE ISSUES IN TERMS OF PROCEDURE AND IT, THAT, I MEAN, MIKE, IF THESE SLIPS WERE NOT FOR RESIDENTS OF ALL THE TIME, BUT MORE FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC, THAT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED WITH IT IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, UH, COMMERCIAL NATURE, THEY ARE GOING TO BE BUILDING OR SLATER.
IF I KEEP SAYING THAT THESE ARE NOT COMMERCIAL SLIPS THAT ARE BEING BUILT, THE SONG VERSUS RENTING, BUT THEY ARE STILL A COMMERCIAL.
THE STAMPS COMMERCIAL J LAMINATED, THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE LIKE I DON'T CARE.
IT'S STILL, WELL, IT MAY BE COMMERCIAL.
IF ONE GUY ON 18 BOATS AND HE GOES OUT THERE AND HE'S GOT WATER PROPERTY AND HE BUILDS THIS
BUT IF HE ONLY KNOW THE ONE BOAT MAY BE ABLE TO, THEY TAKE HIM OUT THERE AND HE SELLS THEM TO HIS FRIENDS, HIS NEIGHBOR, THAT IS A COMMERCIAL.
IT'S NOT IN NOBODY'S HOUSE, TRYING TO BE SOLD SPECIFIC BY POCKET.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? I ASKED CHANGE AND PARKING TO BE A REQUIREMENT FOR RING ANYTIME PRIVATELY, UH, SOMEBODY ELSE OWNED IT TO YOUR ONE.
I'M VICE PRESIDENT OF THE NEUSE RIVER FOUNDATION.
I BELIEVE MOST OF YOU HAVE HEARD OF THIS BEFORE I REPRESENT 1300 MEMBERS.
WE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT ANYTHING THAT AFFECTS THE WATER QUALITY OF OUR RIVERS AND THE TRIBUTARIES, OUR RIVERS.
UM, THIS WE FEEL IS SOMETHING THAT WILL HAVE AN EFFECT ON IT.
WE ARE LOOKING AT IT IN WASHINGTON VERY CAREFULLY.
UM, I ALSO HEARD MERIVALE IS AT THE BEGINNING OF A MEETING TONIGHT, ASK WHAT WAS CAUSING THE BLOOM ON THE ROOM.
I WILL TAKE IT ON TO EDUCATE YOU FULLY AND COMPLETELY GET RID OF IT FROM ME.
THAT WILL BE VERY THICK AND WILL PROVIDE YOU WITH A LOT OF LEAKING RATE.
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I GUESS WE CAN GO ON TO APPOINTMENTS THEN NUMBER 19, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ASK MIKE, MAKE SURE HE KEEP DONE INFORMAL, FIRST THING IN THE MORNING.WHENEVER YOU FIND HIM TO CALL YOU BEFORE YOU GOT THE DIRECTION THEY WANT, THEY'LL LET US KNOW.
I'M SURE YOU HAVE ANY APPOINTMENTS DOWN ON YOUR END.
I WAS GOING TO SAY WE BETTER CHECK AND MAKE SURE SOME OF THEM STILL ALIVE.
THAT WE'RE GOING TO POINT WE'VE BEEN OUT OF HERE.
I GOT AN APPOINTMENT WITH HIM.
MOSTLY TRYING TO HOLD YOU UP ALL IN FAVOR.
I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE MR. ROBERT.
NUTELLA IS LAST TERM BECAUSE HIS OPTIONS ARE RATHER GAS.
SECOND ON THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT RECREATION.
UH, I HAD TO MAKE AN APPOINTMENT TO THE RECREATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
AND I LIKED THE SCRIPT, MR. JOSEPH B HARDEST SENIOR.
SAY YOU DON'T HAVE ANY ROBERT, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY.
I'M STILL LOOKING FOR ONE FOR THAT.
WE'VE GOT A MISCELLANEOUS AND THEY CAN'T BE IN THERE THAT LEFT.
ONE OF THEM I WANT TO KNOW IS AT ALL POSSIBLE.
WE COULD GET THE LIST AND GET OUR CHARTER CHANGE CHANGED, TO DO WHAT TO ALLOW VACANCY.
IF WE HAVE A VACANCY ON THE BOARD, WE CANNOT HAVE A SPECIAL ELECTION TO REPLACE WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT EVEN IMPORTANT RIGHT NOW.
SOME OTHER TIME, THIS JOLLY THAT'S TOO LATE.
I MEAN, MAYBE LIKE THIS IS A WORK SESSION.
THIS IS A, THIS IS A WORK SESSION ISSUE FOR HIM AT THE WORK SESSION, BUT NOT RIGHT NOW.
LET'S DO SOME FOREMEN AT THE WORK SESSION.
AND IF THE LEGISLATORS CAN'T DO THIS, WE'LL DO IT.
LET'S BRING UP AND WE'RE PUTTING ON A NEXT WORK SESSION.
ANY OTHER MISCELLANEOUS, I MOVE ADJOURN AFTER YOU CLOSED THE STREETS.
THIS
NO, I RENEW MY MOTION TO ADJOURN.
WE GOT A MOTION TO ADJOURN ON A SECOND.
JUST GIVE ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE DOOR
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WELL THEY'RE BUYING OR SELLING CONSULT THE PROFESSIONALS AT TYSON AND HOOKS REALTY ESTABLISHED IN 1972, TITAN AND HOOKS REALLY AS THE PROVEN TRACK RECORD OF HONESTY AND INTEGRITY AND HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN HUNDREDS OF REAL ESTATE TRANSACTIONS GET 1994.TYSON AND HOOKS REALTY WAS RECOGNIZED AS THE ONLY FIRM IN TOWN THAT HAD EVERY AGENT QUALIFY FOR THE COVETED MILLION DOLLAR SALES AWARD FOR PROVEN RESULTS, CONSULT TYSON AND HOOKS REALTY.
HONDA KAWASAKI, YAMAHA NEWBURN EASTERN NORTH CAROLINA IS VOLUME DEALER WITH THE LARGEST SELECTION OF YAMAHA WAVE RUNNERS IN KAWASAKI JETSKI.
THESE SALES POWER TO GIVE YOU THE BEST PRICE YOU CAN'T AFFORD NOT TO BUY CONDUCT COMMERCE HOCKEY, YAMAHA NEWBURN, WHETHER YOU'RE SHOPPING FOR WAIVERS.
THESE MOTORCYCLES ARE ATV HONDA KAWASAKI, YAMAHA, NEW BURNER.
JUST BE YOUR FIRST CHOICE FOR SELECTION AND PRICE.
HIGHWAY 70 EAST NEWBURGH WHETHER IT'S A DINNER OCCASION, A FRIEND'S WEDDING CHURCH, ALL HER WORKPLACE AND LINDSAY NEWBURN COULDN'T PUT TOGETHER AN OUTSTANDING WARDROBE OR TODAY'S LADY LAUNDRY.
HER LEGS WIDER COVERS TIMELESS STYLING AND LINDSEY, UBER, AND OFFERS THE BEST SELECTION OF LADIES CLOTHING IN OUR AREA AND AN AFFORDABLE PRICE AND WENT TO MANEUVER STILL THE LARGEST SELECTION OF FASHIONS, EASTERN NORTH CAROLINA AND WINDS OF NEWBURGH BECAUSE YOU WANT A CHOICE.