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UM, TEMPLE BAPTIST FATHER IN HEAVEN, WE APPROACH YOUR GLORIOUS THRONE AND FREEDOM AND CONFIDENCE.

YOU'RE A GOD WHO CARES.

HERE'S THE RESPONSE TO PRAYERS.

THUS, WE PRAY FOR YOUR GUIDANCE TO NOT.

I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THIS MAYOR SPORT OF ALDERMAN.

OTHER CITY OFFICIALS ARE FIREMEN WHO ARE PRESENT TONIGHT.

MANY OF WHICH ARE PRESENT POLICE FORCE.

I THANK YOU FATHER FOR THEIR DREAM, THEIR VISION, AND THEIR COMMITMENT TO MAKE NEWBURN A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE.

I KNOW WE LIVE IN AN OFTEN CYNICAL AND EMBITTERED SOCIETY.

SO BREATH OF FRESH AIR WHEN PEOPLE CARE, WHEN WE CAN ACCENTUATE THE POSITIVE AND SEEK TO ELIMINATE THE NEGATIVE.

I SEE GREAT PROGRESS IN THIS TOWN FOR THAT.

I THANK YOU.

SO I APPRECIATE THE WORK THEY DO.

I SPEAK TO YOU ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF NEWBURN OF THE PEOPLE I TALKED TO AND HOW GRATEFUL THEY ARE.

AND SO FATHER, WE PRAY FOR THEM AND THAT'S HOW WE LOVE AND CARE FOR THEM.

WELL, WE KNOW THEY NEED WISDOM AND GUIDANCE IN THE DECISIONS THEY MAKE.

YOU TELL US THAT IF ANY OF US LACKS WISDOM, WE SHOULD ASK GOD WHO GIVES GENEROUSLY TO ALL WITHOUT FINDING FAULT AND IT WILL BE GIVEN TO HIM.

SO WE PRAY FOR THAT WISDOM AND GUIDANCE.

WE PRAY THAT THERE'D BE A SENSE OF UNITY AND COMRADERY HERE TONIGHT THAT HAVEN'T HEARD ALL THE VOICES AND THEY'RE ALL IMPORTANT TO PRAYERFULLY.

CONSIDER THE BEST DECISION TO BE MADE AND KEEP THIS GREAT CITY PROGRESSING FORWARD AS IT HAS OFFERED THIS PRAYER.

AND THE ONLY WAY I KNOW HOW TO PRAY THE NAME OF JESUS, , ONE NATION, GOD IN THE MUSICAL HERE.

YEAH.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

FIRST THING WE HAVE AT NIGHT IS TO A PROCLAMATION TO THE FAMILY.

ROGER HACKMAN.

SOME OF YOU MIGHT REMEMBER IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW ROGER HACKMAN, HE'S A MAN IS RESPONSIBLE FOR REALLY A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT THE PASTOR SPOKE ABOUT TONIGHT AND HIS NICE TREES, PLANTS, AND SO FORTH, AND JUST SEE AROUND NEIGHBOR.

IN FACT, I'VE GOT A TREE BEHIND MY HOUSE.

IT WAS STRUCK BY LIGHTNING.

I CALLED ROGER OUT THAT TAKE A LOOK AT IT, WHICH IS THE SERVICE THAT WE STAYED IN BLUE.

AND, UH, I WOULD HAVE BET ANYTHING THAT PRETTY ME ON MATE.

AND ROGER WENT OUT AND TOOK A LOOK AT THAT TREE AND TOLD ME IT WOULD LIVE AND IT'S STILL KICKING THE MAN READ.

IT WAS VERY IMPRESSIVE AND HE'S LEFT HIS MARK ON NEWBURN AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

AND I LIKE READER'S PROCLAMATION FROM THE BOARD.

IT SAYS, WHEREAS ROGER, WESLEY, EXCELLENT.

THEY GOT TO LEAVE HIS FAMILY, FRIENDS AND FELLOW EMPLOYEES MORNING.

WHEREAS ROGER WAS EMPLOYED FEBRUARY 1ST, 1989.

AND DURING THOSE YEARS, SIR, AT THE CITY OF NEWARK, THE CITY GROUNDS KEEPERS, A SIGNIFICANT KIND OF SIGNIFICANTLY CONTRIBUTING TO AND ASSISTING IN VARIOUS DEPARTMENTAL FUNCTIONS, THE CITY OF NEWBURGH, AND WHEREAS THE PERFORMANCE OF HIS DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES AND HIS WORKING RELATIONSHIPS WERE ALWAYS CHARACTERIZED BY AN OBVIOUS DEDICATION TO GETTING THE JOB WELL DONE.

WHEREAS ROGER LOVED TRAINS, GUNS, AND PLANTS, AND THEY ENJOY THE OUTDOORS.

AND WHEREAS RODNER WILL BE MISSED BOTH PROFESSIONALLY AND AS A FRIEND.

NOW, THEREFORE WHY TA BY OTHERS MAY HAVE THE CITY OF NEIGHBOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE NEW AND BOARD OF ALL OF THEM AND THE CITIZENS OF THIS CITY, HEREBY EXPRESS PROFOUND OR GRABBING CONVEYS TO HIS FAMILY, THAT'S EVIDENCE OF OUR SAN FRANCISCO.

SO I'D LIKE TO GET HIS FAMILY HAVE COME FOR PRESENT THIS

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THE NEXT THING THAT WE HAVE.

UM, LIKE THE LADY IS HERE, MS. C, UH, MS. TRACY THOMPSON, ARE YOU HERE? WHERE ARE YOU? THERE YOU ARE RIGHT THERE.

HE LIKED TO COME FORTH AND EXPLAIN WHAT IT IS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO TONIGHT.

AND SURE.

I'M HERE TONIGHT, UH, WITH THE MUSCULAR DYSTROPHY ASSOCIATION, UM, ALONG WITH THE HORN FAMILY HERE IN NEWBURN TO RECOGNIZE THE NEW-BORN FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR THE GREAT WORK THAT THEY DID FOR THE MUSCULAR DYSTROPHY ASSOCIATION LAST SUMMER IN OUR FILL THE BOOT PROGRAM.

UM, IT WAS A TREMENDOUS EFFORT.

I WANT TO JUST COMMEND ALL OF THE FIREFIGHTERS.

UM, OVER A TWO DAY PERIOD, THE FIREFIGHTERS RAISED OVER $6,700 TO BENEFIT THE PEOPLE IN EASTERN CAROLINA WITH MUSCULAR DYSTROPHY.

UM, I THINK THAT SAYS IT ALL.

I JUST, UM, WAS GREATLY IMPRESSED WITH THE A HUNDRED PERCENT PARTICIPATION THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT GAVE AND, UM, JUST THE WARM WELCOME THAT THE CITY OF NEW BERN GAVE TO THE INITIATIVE.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING? XC? OKAY, GREAT.

I'D LIKE FOR A CHIEF ASTER OR ANOTHER REPRESENTATIVE, WE'VE JUST GOT AN AWARD HERE FOR Y'ALL FOR THE GREAT WORK YOU GUYS DID.

AND THE $6,700 THAT YOU RAISED FOR THE FOLKS IN THIS AREA.

ABSOLUTELY.

YES, PLEASE.

DO YOU EVER WHY DON'T YOU, UH, WHY DON'T YOU GUYS REMAIN STANDING AND GIVE YOU NAMES GOING DOWN THE LINE IF YOU DON'T MIND.

SO WE'LL ALL KNOW WHO YOU ARE.

OKAY.

ROULETTE.

PRE-CHECK GOOD WORK.

YOU GUYS DO.

NEXT THING IS THE CITY A SEWER REPORT BY THE CITY ENGINEER? WHERE IS HE THERE? GOOD EVENING.

MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THE A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT TEAM TREATED A TOTAL OF 110 MILLION GALLONS IN THE MONTH OF JANUARY WITH AN AVERAGE DAILY FLOW OF 3.6 MILLION GALLONS.

UH, THE D B O D EFFICIENCY REMOVAL WAS 91%.

AND THE TOTAL SUSPENDED SOLIDS REMOVAL EFFICIENCY WAS 87%.

UH, ALL PARAMETERS OF THE MPDS PERMIT WERE, UH, WITHIN LIMITS FOR THE MONTH OF JANUARY.

AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION CONCERNING SOME, UM, OPERATIONS THAT ARE TAKING PLACE IN THE PLANT RIGHT NOW THAT, UH, APPEAR TO BE, UH, A PROBLEM.

UH, WE KNOW OF AT LEAST ONE VIOLATION THAT WE'VE HAD, UH, DURING THE FIRST TWO WEEKS OF FEBRUARY, UH, WE HAD VERY HIGH, UH, UNUSUALLY HIGH, UH, VOD COMING INTO THE PLANT.

UH, THE SECOND WEEK OF FEBRUARY, WE ACTUALLY AVERAGED 3 0 9, UH, AS A VOD COMING INTO THE PLANT, WHICH NORMALLY RUNS INTO ONE 90 TO TWO 10 RANGE, UM, BECAUSE THAT WAS COLD WEATHER AND THE TRICKLING FILTER IS AFFECTED BY COLD WEATHER, OUR, UH, EFFICIENCY ON REMOVING THAT VOD WAS POOR.

UM, AND WE'RE, WE'RE ENGAGED ON THAT ON A MONTHLY BASIS, NOT ON A WEEKLY BASIS, BUT THE BOD LEADING THE PLANT EXCEEDED OUR, UM, WEEKLY AVERAGE OF 45.

UM, WE ACTUALLY PRODUCED, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS 52.9 MILLIGRAMS

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PER LITER, THAT PARTICULAR WEEK.

UH, WE DID EVERYTHING POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD TO FIND OUT WHAT CAUSED THE PROBLEM.

UH, OUR FIRST SUSPICION IS, UH, SOME OF OUR INDUSTRIES BECAUSE THAT WAS, UH, IT STARTED THE WEEK THAT IT SNOWED.

SO WE THOUGHT MAYBE SOME OF THE INDUSTRIES HAD DONE SOME HOUSE CLEANING, PUT SOMETHING IN THE SEWER THAT DURING CLEANUP AND THAT SORT OF THING THAT WOULD HAVE CAUSED HIGH BOD, UH, ALL OF THE, UH, EFFLUENT TESTING UNDER THE PRETREATMENT PROGRAM THAT WAS DONE THAT WEEK, UH, NOTHING SHOWED UP BEING UNUSUAL OR SIGNIFICANT.

UH, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE'VE, WE'VE SCRATCHED OUR HEADS, JUST DO NOT KNOW WHERE THE BOD CAME FROM.

WE THOUGHT ABOUT, UM, EVANS MILLS ALONG, UM, FORCE MAINE HAS BEEN PUT IN OPERATION.

BUT TO THIS POINT, I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT WE'VE EVEN BEGUN TO FEEL PART OF THAT WINE WITH, WITH SEWAGE, WHO WE WOULD SEE THAT AT THE WASTE TREATMENT PLANT.

UM, UH, I'VE TALKED THIS AFTERNOON WITH, UM, MS. PLANT MANAGER.

UH, SHE DOESN'T HAVE A CLUE AS TO WHERE IT COULD HAVE COME FROM, AND BECAUSE BOD TESTS TAKE FIVE DAYS TO GET THE RESULTS YOU PUT IT IN, IN THE PROCESS.

AND FIVE DAYS LATER YOU FIND THE ANSWERS.

IT'S ALWAYS A DELAYED REACTION.

UH, WE DO KNOW FROM SUSPENDED SOLIDS THAT THE PLANT IS OPERATING BETTER.

AND FROM THE BOD SAMPLES, WE PULLED OUT OF THE TEST TODAY THAT WE'RE BACK IN THE NORMAL OPERATING RANGE IN THE LOW TWENTIES.

UH, BUT AS FAR AS WHAT CAUSED THE PROBLEM, WE DON'T, UH, THE, UH, OTHER NOTICE OF VIOLATIONS THAT WE COULD PROBABLY EXPECT TO RECEIVE JUST LOOKING AT IT ON A STATISTICAL BASIS IS THAT WE WILL PROBABLY NOT MEET THE, UH, 30 VOD LIMIT ON A MONTHLY AVERAGE, UH, AND SUSPENDED SOLID SHOULD BE, UH, FINE.

WE DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT.

UM, AND REALLY EVERYTHING IS CENTERED AROUND THE BOD AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

UM, AND QUITE FRANKLY, WE WERE REALLY BAFFLED ABOUT WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED.

WE JUST KNOW THERE WAS HIGH B DUDE VOD COMING IN, HAVE NO IDEA WHERE IT CAME FROM.

UM, AND UNFORTUNATELY IT'S A REACTIONARY THING WHEN YOU'RE GETTING DATA, UH, FIVE DAYS AFTER THE FACT.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? YES.

TELL EVERYBODY WHAT DOD MEANS, A BIOLOGICAL OXYGEN DEMAND.

AND I THINK IN LAYMAN'S TERMS, THE BEST WAY TO DESCRIBE IT IS THAT'S THE, UM, THE HIGHER, THE NUMBER, THE MORE OXYGEN, THE WAY THE, THE WASTE THAT'S DISPOSED OF, UH, WOULD REQUIRE OXYGEN OUT OF THE WATER.

NOWHERE IS THE HIGHER, THE NUMBER, THE HIGHER, UH, IT USES OXYGEN IF IT WERE MIXED WITH THE WATER IN THE RIVER, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I JUST WANT YOU TO EXPLAIN IT, THE PLANT EXPANSION WILL, YEAH, THE PLANT EXPANSION WILL TOTALLY DO AWAY WITH THE TREATMENT PROCESS THAT WE HAVE NOW, OUR, OUR PROCESS RIGHT NOW IS ONLY A SECONDARY, UH, TREATMENT OR PROCESS.

UM, AND QUITE FRANKLY, IT IS, UM, IT WOULD NEVER MEET REMOVING NITROGEN OR NUTRIENT, UM, NUTRIENTS, PARTICULARLY NOT TO, TO THE LEVELS THAT THE STATE IS GOING TO REQUIRE IN THE FUTURE.

BUT THE, A NEW PLANT IS, UM, WELL GEARED FOR, FOR TAKING CARE OF THIS KIND OF PROBLEM.

UH, WE WOULD NOT HAVE EVEN WORRIED ABOUT THIS IF THIS OCCURRED IN THAT, IN THE NEW PLANT, BECAUSE YOU HAVE LONGER RETENTION RIGHTS, YOU CAN, YOU CAN DO A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS WITH THE NEW PLANT THAT YOU CAN DO WITH THIS PLANT.

WELL, I HAVE SAID MANY TIMES THE DUTY OF THE JOB OF A REGULATORY AGENCY IS TO MAKE REGULATIONS OR CONSTANTLY CHANGED THEM OR THAT'S JOB INSURANCE.

AND I CAN GUARANTEE YOU WHEN THE NEW PLANT IS BUILT, THEY'LL SPRING SOME UNEXPECTED THINGS ON HERE, AND HOPEFULLY WE'VE CHOSEN A PROCESS THAT HAS THE MOST, UH, CAPABILITY TO CHANGE WITH THOSE REGULATIONS.

AND WE CAN CHANGE OUR PROCESS ALONG WITH THOSE REGULATIONS.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, SIR.

HE'S NOW A GOOD TIME TO TALK ABOUT THE QUARRY PROJECT AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CITIZENS FORUM.

YES, SIR.

UM, I THINK AT THE LAST MEETING THAT I SPOKE AT, UH, WE ACTUALLY ANNOUNCED THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A MEETING ON FEBRUARY THE 29TH AT H J MCDONALD'S SCHOOL, UH, DUE TO SOME SCHEDULING PROBLEMS WITH THE, UH, EXPERTS WE HAVE COMING TO THAT MEETING.

UH, WE HAVE POSTPONED THAT TO MARCH 7TH AND I HAVE NEVER BEEN SURE WHETHER IT'S AT SEVEN OR SEVEN 30, IS IT AT SEVEN OR 7 37 37 30 AT SEVEN 30 AT HTA MCDONALD'S SCHOOL.

AND WE WILL, UH, PUT ON A, THAT WILL LAST SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 45 MINUTES AND AN HOUR, AND THEN ATTEMPT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE PUBLIC MIGHT HAVE ABOUT THE FORD PROJECT.

AND THAT WAS MARCH,

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EXCUSE ME, MARCH SWAT, MARCH 17TH.

THAT'S A TUESDAY NIGHT AT J MCDONALD'S SCHOOL AT SEVEN 30.

AND ALL OF OUR CITIZENS ARE INVITED, NOT JUST THOSE IN THE FOURTH WARD, EVERYBODY IN THE CITY THAT HAS ANY INTEREST SHE'D COME TO LISTEN TO WHAT THE PROFESSORS HAVE TO SAY.

YES, SIR.

I HOPE WE GIVE US SOME PUBLICITY.

YEAH.

PHD, THE, UM, PRINCIPLES WILL BE, UM, UH, MYSELF, MR. HARTMAN, UM, POSSIBLY YOU, UH, I'M NOT SURE WHETHER YOU'LL BE THERE OR NOT THE, UH, PHD PHD.

I SAID THE TOP OF THE TOTAL, THESE WILL BE, UH, DR.

BELLUS WHO IS A, UH, HE'S A RETIRED PROFESSOR FROM ECU IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE SIERRA CLUB.

HE HAS BEEN DOING, UH, THE ALGAE STUDY AND IS PREPARING THE LAKE MANAGEMENT PLAN AND, UH, DR.

UH, RICHARD SPRUILL, WHO IS A PHD AND HYDROLOGIST AT, UH, AND A PROFESSOR AT ECU.

AND HE'S THE FOREMOST AUTHORITY ON, UH, AQUIFERS IN EASTERN NORTH CAROLINA.

UH, AND HE WILL BE THERE AND, UH, RIVERS AND ASSOCIATES, OUR CONTRACT ENGINEER WILL BE THERE.

UM, RANDY GOULD.

HOW ABOUT, UH, DR.

RAY, EMMA? WE WORKED WITH HIM BEFORE, UM, DR.

RIGGS, NO, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT STANLEY REGS.

OH, NO.

THAT'S DR.

STANLEY AND HE IS A CHEMIST PHD IN CHEMISTRY.

AND, UH, HE, UNFORTUNATELY HIS SCHEDULE IS JUST TO LOOK FOR HIM TO BE THERE.

HE'S NOT, I HAVEN'T MET HIM, BUT I HAD HEARD HIS NAME.

MAYBE I'M THINKING ABOUT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

AS FAR AS THE CORY IS CONCERNED.

UM, UH, STATE REGULATORS ARE PROCEEDING RIGHT NOW WITH SOME, UH, COMMENTS ON THE LAKE MANAGEMENT PLAN, AND IT WOULD APPEAR THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY GET A PERMIT FOR THAT PROJECT, UH, WITHIN A MONTH TO TWO MONTHS IS WHAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

WE HOPE TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED IN THE PAST THAT CORIAN SOME OF THE DESIGN CHANGES WE'VE MADE.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

NEXT THING WE HAVE, EXCUSE ME, AS A MITIGATION REPORT AND PRESENTATION TO THE 2000 APPLICATION.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THE, UH, IT'S BEEN ABOUT TWO WEEKS SINCE THE LAST REPORT DUE TO THE, UH, RESCHEDULING, BUT TODAY, UH, WE HAD BROUGHT THE ENGINEER OUT INTO THE FIELD IN WOODROW TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE HOUSES HE GOT UNDER, STARTED LOOKING AT THINGS, RAISE MORE QUESTIONS THAN THE ANSWER.

SO HE WENT BACK, UH, TO HIS BOSS, THE HEAD ENGINEER AND PRESIDENT OF THE COMPANY.

WE HAD A FLURRY OF MEETING WITH SOME OF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES, BELHAVEN, LITTLE WASHINGTON AND OTHERS OWN SOME ELEVATION ISSUES.

AND IT HAD A MEETING WITH THE DEM THE DIVISION OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT FOLKS IN RALEIGH AS TO WHAT IS, AND IS NOT ALLOWED AND WHAT THEY SHOULD BE INCLUDED.

SO THAT HAS BEEN RESOLVED.

NOW WE HAD A FLURRY THERE OF ABOUT FIVE OR SIX MEETINGS, AND THE PERSON WILL BE BACK UNDER THE HOUSE NEXT TUESDAY, ACTUALLY TAKING THE MEASUREMENTS AND BEGINNING ON WORK RIGHT UP.

BUT WHEN HE GOT UNDER THERE, WE'RE WORKING ON THE NORTH CAROLINA STATE BUILDING CODE, AND IT RAISED A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT WE NEEDED TO GET ANSWERED.

SO WE WENT TO SOME OF THESE OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT ARE UNDERWAY AND AFTER THEIR EXPERIENCE GOT SOME CLARIFICATION FROM THE STATE AT HOME, PAUL WAS YELLOW.

WE HAVE THE CONTRACT TO ALREADY LINED UP WHO WILL BE ACTIVELY IN THE HOUSE.

NO, NO WE DON'T.

AS WHEN WE GET THE, UH, FIRST GROUP OF WORK WRITE-UPS TOGETHER FOR THE FIRST GROUP OF 10, THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO OUT AND ADVERTISE THE ELEVATED.

THE CONTRACTOR HAS PUT TOGETHER A LIST OF PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE BUSINESS, NOT ONLY IN NORTH CAROLINA, BUT BASICALLY EAST OF MISSISSIPPI, UH, THAT MIGHT COME IN AND DO SOMETHING OF THAT SIZE.

WELL, HOW MUCH TIME ARE WE TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME DO YOU ANTICIPATE, OR WHEN THEY GO INTO THERE AND MAKE THE DECISION AND THEN THE FIRST HOUSE.

OKAY.

UM, THE INVESTIGATIONS AND THE WORK, WRITE-UPS PROBABLY 30 DAYS TO GET TO THAT POINT.

SO BID THEM OUT.

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I MEAN, ALL OF A SUDDEN THE SALE NUMBER ONE, I'LL WAIT LIKE IN JUNE WITH THE OCCUPIED HOUSES THAT ARE IN THAT LOUD FIRE.

SO TO SPEAK ON THE FIRST ONES TO GO UP.

YES.

GUESS WHERE WE'RE WORKING ON THE SYSTEM THAT, UH, WE, UH, WORKED OUT WITH THE BOARD A COUPLE OF FEW MONTHS AGO.

UH, THERE WAS A CITIZEN FROM, UH, THE WOODROW COMMUNITY THAT RAISED A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.

WE PUT HIM IN DIRECT CONTACT WITH THE ENGINEER AS A PROJECT MANAGER.

I THINK HE WAS ABLE TO ANSWER THE GENTLEMAN'S QUESTIONS.

AND, UH, HE AND THE GENTLEMAN HAD ESTABLISHED UP AN EXCHANGE OF INFORMATION PROCESS.

AND SO WE ARE PROCEEDING ON THAT.

I MAY ASK YOU ONE OTHER QUESTION BACK WHEN THIS PROJECT CAME LOUD, UNLESS LIKE BACK IN THE FALL OF WHATEVER THE, WHEN WAS THE PROJECTED DATE AT THAT TIME, WHEN A GUESSTIMATE OF WHEN THE FIRST HOUSE THAT YOU'D BE RAISED JANUARY, FEBRUARY.

AND I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S OUR FAULT, OF COURSE, BUT OBVIOUSLY IT TAKES A WHILE TO DO THINGS AND SOMETIMES TRYING TO ESTIMATE, UM, ISSUE PASS GAS, BUT THAT HURRICANE SEASON DOESN'T CARE ABOUT ALL THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO COME IN DURING ITS REGULAR CYCLE.

AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO KNOW IS, IS THERE SOME SOMETHING WE COULD DO OR SOMEBODY WE CAN TALK TO WHERE THERE'S MORE MAN, POWER, MORE JACKS, WHATEVER IT IS, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE THESE PEOPLE.

I'M SURE EVERYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT ONES LIVE IN IT, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE THE HOUSE IT STARTED GOING UP BEFORE THE HURRICANE SEASON GETS HERE.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? HE WANTS HE, THE DISCUSSION IS THAT HOW MANY INCHES OF FEED IS SUPPOSED TO GO UP OR IS IT HOW TO RAISE A HOUSE? NO.

UM, BASICALLY THE DISCUSSION IS THIS BACK IN SEPTEMBER, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A TIMELINE, IT WOULD BE WORKING ON UNDER, WE WERE UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT WE WOULD HAVE RELEASE OF FUNDS FOR THE ENGINEERING SERVICES BY OCTOBER OF 99, THAT RELEASE OF SERVICE OF FUNDS ENGINEERING SERVICES FROM THE FEDS DID NOT TAKE PLACE UNTIL MID DECEMBER.

SO THAT COST US BASICALLY A LITTLE OVER TWO MONTHS, RIGHT THERE.

WE COULD NOT CONTRACT WITH THE ENGINEER TO GO IN AND DO THE WORK UNTIL WE HAD A SIGNED CONTRACT WITH THE FEDS.

AND WE HAD TO WAIT ON THE FEDS TO GET THAT THAT IS, HAS REALLY BEEN THE BIG DELAY.

SO I HAD EXPLAINED TO A COUPLE OF MONTHS DELAY, YES, SIR.

I WANT TO NOW, IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN PUT SOMETHING ON A FAST TRACK TO TRY TO MAKE SOME AT THAT TIME BACK UP, UM, PRIMARILY YOU HAVE THE ENGINEERS THAT ARE GOING UNDER, UH, TAKING A LOOK AT IT AND DOING THE WORK UPS.

AND I MEAN, DO WE HAVE TO WRITE UP ALL THE HOUSES BEFORE WE DO A CONTRACT? OR CAN WE ASK ABOUT THEM YET THAT BITE OFF OF YOU AND LET'S START WHAT WE'RE DOING IN SOME OF THEM UP WE'VE BROKEN THE HOUSES INTO SIX GROUPS.

WE'RE GOING TO GO OUT AND DO GROUP A, THE FIRST 10 HOUSES, DO THE WORK UPS, GET THOSE IN THE BIDDING PROCESS AND THEN START ON DOING THE WORK WRITE-UPS FOR THE SECOND GROUP.

AND THE FIRST GROUP IS MOVING ON THROUGH OR GETTING A CONTRACT AND GETTING WORK DONE.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE A CONTINUOUS, UH, PROCESS.

THEY'RE DOING 10 AT A TIME SO THAT WE WERE NOT WILLING TO TAKE THE TIME IT WOULD TAKE TO DO ALL THE WRITE-UPS AT ONCE.

WE'RE WANT TO DO 10 SHE'S CHARGE OF SEEING PROCESSES OF CARE NOW.

OKAY.

UH, THAT WOULD BE, UH, BETWEEN BERNARD AND MYSELF, UH, THE PROJECT, AS FAR AS, UH, DOING THE WORK, WRITE-UPS BIDDING IT OUT IS THAT OF THE, UH, CONTRACTOR, DAVID AND ASSOCIATES, THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WORK.

WRITE-UPS THE BIDDING OUT THE DEVELOPING OF THE CONTRACTS.

AND REALLY WHAT THEY'LL DO IS THEY WILL RECOMMEND THE CONTRACTORS TO DO THE WORK TO US.

AND, UH, THEN WE'LL, UH, ACT UPON THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS.

IT SOUNDS LIKE A PROCESS.

AND I DIDN'T WANT TO BE CONTRARY BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THIS, BUT, AND I REALIZED THAT IT TAKES TIME AND THERE'S DIFFERENT, UM, THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO DO, BUT YOU COULD UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION PEOPLE ARE HAVING.

AND I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE WAS SOMETHING WE CAN DO AS A BOARD, IF YOU NEEDED HELP, YOU NEED SOMEBODY TO HELP YOU.

IF YOU NEED ANOTHER ENGINEERING.

CAUSE I KEPT HEARING HER, THE ENGINEERS AND THEN MAYBE THEY NEED TO HAVE SOME HELP LADY TO GET SOMEBODY ELSE TO HELP THEM BECAUSE WE NEED TO, IT'S GETTING TO BE FRUSTRATING AND I REALIZE YOU HAVE AN AWFUL LOT TO DO.

AND WE JUST DUMPED A WHOLE LOT

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OF OTHER THINGS ON YOU TO DO.

SO I'M THINKING MAYBE YOU SHOULD SCREAM AND YELL AND SAY, LISTEN, I NEED SOME HELP HERE.

I NEED SOMEONE ELSE TO HELP ME SO THAT WE CAN BEGIN TO SEE THIS.

AND IF WHAT YOU'RE GOING THROUGH, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TO ME, YOU, YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE 10 HOUSES.

AND OUT OF THOSE 10, THE ENGINEER WHO COMES MAYBE ON TUESDAY, OKAY.

AND HE MIGHT GO UP UNDER THERE AND HE WILL GO UP AND HE MIGHT END UP MORE QUESTIONS THAN HE HAS HIS ANSWERS.

AND HE MIGHT HAVE TO CONTACT SOMEONE ELSE.

AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AND WHEN WE JUST FEEL ON ONE HOUSE RIGHT NOW, AND WE GOT TO DO THIS 10 TIMES, THEN THAT MEANS THAT THE FIRST HOUSE THAT STILL SAID, WILL IT GO UP UNDER THE FIRST HOUSE AND OKAY, THAT ONE IS GOOD, STAFFORD RAISING, YOU KNOW, LIKE THAT.

I DON'T KNOW.

IT'S JUST GETTING A BIT ANNOYING, BUT I UNDERSTAND.

AND I FEEL THAT MYSELF VERY MUCH.

UM, BUT, BUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN? THE ENGINEER WOULD GO IN, MAKE THE MEASUREMENTS, THE DETERMINATIONS, DO THE WORK WRITE-UPS ON THE 10 UNITS.

WE WILL THEN FIT THOSE 10 UNITS.

NOW WHILE HE IS GOING BACK AND STARTING ON THE NEXT 10, THE FIVE OR SIX MEETINGS THAT HAVE BEEN HELD IN THE LAST 10 DAYS OR TO RESOLVE THOSE KINDS OF QUESTIONS THAT THE ENGINEER RAN INTO WHEN HE CAME OUT HERE A LITTLE OVER A WEEK AND A HALF AGO.

SO, UH, THEY HAVE REVIEWED IT WITH THREE OTHER CONSULTANTS DOING SIMILAR PROJECTS AND OTHER COMMUNITIES.

PLUS THEY HAVE TAKEN THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE NOT REALLY CRYSTAL CLEAR, GONE TO RALEIGH TO THE DIVISION OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND SAID, CAN WE DO THIS? CAN WE DO THIS? IS THIS AN ELIGIBLE COST? IS THIS AN ELIGIBLE COST AND HAVE GOTTEN THOSE ISSUES SORTED OUT? SO I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A SITUATION WHERE WE'LL GO UNDERWATER AND END UP WITH MORE QUESTIONS COME BACK.

THAT THEY'VE BEEN RATHER THOROUGH AND SORTING OUT, FLESHING OUT THOSE QUESTIONS.

YOU NEED SOME HELP.

UH, SURE.

I MEAN, UH, WE, WE, WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FILL THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR POSITION, UH, AND, AND THAT HAS BEEN, UM, UH, IT'S BEEN VERY DIFFICULT BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN ON TOP OF WHAT BERNARD AND I, UH, ARE NORMALLY DOING.

BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT A GOOD MARKET OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.

VERY TIME FOR PROFESSIONAL.

CAN YOU, CAN YOU DO THIS? CAN YOU HAVE THAT GUY WITH THE CONSULTANT? IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THE ONE GOING ON IN THE HOUSE, CHECKING THEM OUT, GETTING IT READY TO SAY YOU CAN HAVE A BID PACKAGE AND YOU HAVE HIM TO CALL ME TOMORROW.

SURE.

I MEAN, I'LL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PASSING ON OUR BOARD SENSE OF URGENCY.

AND HE TELL ME, CAN I, HE'S GOING TO SAY, I CAN, I CAN DO 10 HOUSES AND YOU KNOW, TWO DAYS, FIVE DAYS, 10 DAYS, AND WE NEED TWO GUYS TO, WE NEED ANOTHER GUY THAT WE NEED SOMEBODY TO SPEED UP, BUT AT LEAST SOME SORT OF A MILESTONE.

SO WE'LL KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE WE GOING FROM HERE? AND, UH, I JUST LIKE TO TALK TO HIM PERSONALLY AND LET HIM KNOW THAT THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO US.

THEN HE'D GET THAT JOB DONE SO WE CAN MOVE ON WITH GETTING THE BEDS AND GET THE THINGS UP, CALL US WE'RE AGAINST THE CLOCK.

THAT CLOCK IS NOT GONNA MOVE.

AND HURRICANE SEASON DON'T COME.

SO I'LL BE THINKING ABOUT THOSE FOLKS WHEN THE WINDS BLOW AND SAY, WELL, THE REST OF US, AND I CAN TAKE, I'LL GIVE YOU A CALL TO COORDINATE TIMES TOMORROW.

YOU KNOW WHAT? I DON'T ENTER THIS PAGER.

OKAY.

UM, WE HAVE, UH, 10 CLOSINGS SCHEDULED TO TAKE PLACE WITHIN TWO WEEKS WITHIN THE PEGGY TOWN COMMUNITY.

WE'RE ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH ON THAT GROUP.

UH, WE HAVE SOME FOLKS THAT ARE NOT CONTACTING US, THAT WE HAVE LETTERS GOING OUT TO.

WE HAVE ANOTHER HANDFUL OF FOLKS THAT WILL TO GET ANOTHER APPRAISAL TO COME BACK TO.

AND WE'RE GIVING THOSE FOLKS A DEADLINE OF THE END OF THE FIRST OR SECOND WEEKEND MARCH TO BEGIN THOSE BACK INTO US SO THAT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND BE WRAPPING UP.

UH, IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SELL, IF YOU'RE NOT INTERESTED IN SELLING, THEN WE'RE GOING TO CROSS YOU OFF THE LIST AND NO OTHER, DO YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR EVERYBODY TO SETTLE BEFORE YOU GO AHEAD AND KNOCK DOWN OR DO WHATEVER YOU'RE GOING TO DO.

SO SOME OF THEM THAT YOU'VE ALREADY SETTLED, WE HAVE A TWO HOME BLOOMFIELD AND WE'VE ALREADY SETTLED.

THAT WILL BE COMING DOWN NEXT WEEK.

A MOBILE HOME IN THE HOUSE.

YEAH.

SO WE ARE BEGINNING THAT PROCESS.

UH, AND WE HAD ANOTHER, UH, HOMEOWNER RELOCATE LAST WEEK RELOCATED FROM THAT AREA TO THE SOUTH GATE.

RELOCATION SEEMED TO BE GOING RATHER WELL WITH FAMILIES.

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ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT PART OF IT I'D LIKE TO GO TO THE SECOND PART OF THE AGENDA ITEM AND THEN IS THE PRESENTATION OF THE H AND G P 2000 APPLICATION, UH, DO NOT HAVE AN APPLICATION TO SHOW YOU THIS EVENING.

WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CONSULTANT AND WE'LL BE MEETING WITH, UH, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT STAFF TOMORROW TO BE BRINGING ALL THE DOCUMENTS TOGETHER ON APPLICATION AND GET THEIR REACTION.

THESE BONDS ARE FLOYD DAMAGE FUNDS.

THEY ARE BROKEN AND BROKEN INTO FIVE CLASSIFICATIONS.

THE FIRST THREE ARE FOR ACQUISITION.

THE FOURTH ONE IS FOR ELEVATION.

AND THE FIFTH ONE IS FOR PUBLIC FACILITIES AND BUSINESSES.

THE DEM FOLKS DO NOT THINK THEY WILL GET PAST THE FIRST ROUND, WHICH IS THE ACQUISITION OF HOUSES THAT HAD FIVE FEET OF WATER IN THEM, OR THAT WERE SUBSTANTIALLY DAMAGED.

OUR APPROACH TO THIS IN CONSULTATION WITH OUR CONSULTANT IS WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE HOUSES IN THE AREA THAT ACTUALLY GOT WATER INSIDE THEM.

WE THINK THERE'S PROBABLY NOT MORE THAN ONE OR TWO THAT THAT CAME CLOSE TO THE FIVE FEET, BUT WE MIGHT HAVE SOME THAT WOULD QUALIFY FOR SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGE.

WE CREATED A LIST BASED ON THE DAMAGE ASSESSMENT REPORTS AND APPLICATIONS THAT CAME IN OF ABOUT 31 PROPERTIES.

AND IT LOOKS LIKE OUT OF THIS 31 20 ARE GOING TO WANT TO BE CONSIDERED FOR ACQUISITION.

SOME OF THESE ARE ONES THAT ARE ALREADY IN WOODROW ROAD FOR ELEVATION.

WHAT THIS WILL MEAN IS IF THE ACQUISITION COMES THROUGH, THEN THEY CAN PURSUE THAT OPTION.

IF IT DOESN'T, IF THEY WERE ALREADY UNDER ELEVATION, THEY'LL STILL BE ABLE TO BE ELEVATED.

AND ABOUT A THIRD OF THEM ARE ONES THAT WERE NOT IN THE PROCESS AT ALL, AS FAR AS WOODROW OR PAVEY IS CONCERNED.

IF THEY GET IN GREAT, IF NOT, THEY'RE THERE WHERE THEY WERE BEFORE.

AS FAR AS, UH, LOOKING AT OTHER OPTIONS, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO, UH, THE APPLICATIONS ARE DUE IN THE NEXT TUESDAY.

I HAVE A RESOLUTION THAT A DEM REQUIRES FOR THE CHIEF ELECTED OFFICIAL, THE MAYOR TO BE DESIGNATED AS THE PERSON TO SIGN THE APPLICATION THAT GOES TO DEM.

AND IF THE BOARD COULD ACT UPON THE RESOLUTION, GRANTING THE MAYOR AUTHORITY, THEN ONCE WE GET THE APPLICATION TOGETHER BY FRIDAY OR MONDAY MORNING, WE CAN SIT DOWN AND GO THROUGH IT WITH THE MAYOR AND THE CITY MANAGER.

SO THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT.

THEN HE WOULD HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO SIGN IT, TO GET IT ALL TO RALEIGH PART OF THE DISCUSSION.

UM, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES.

LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.

NOW, THIS FLAWED, WHERE, WHERE WOULD THE PEOPLE BE COMING FROM? WOULD THEY BE FROM THE WOODROW? I KNOW I HEARD YOU MENTIONED THAT WERE SOME IN WOODROW, ARE, ARE YOU TARGETING LIKE WOODROW, MAYBE TOWN OR THOSE PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOODS? WOULD THAT BE SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY? IT'S PRIMARILY WOODROW BECAUSE THAT'S THE AREA THAT ACTUALLY GOT WATER INSIDE THE HOUSES, UH, THE REST OF THE CITY, UH, WE HAD PEOPLE WITH WATER UP UNDER THEIR HOUSES, SOME DAMAGE TO DUCT WORK AND THAT KIND OF THING, BUT IT WAS TYPICALLY FOUND ACTUALLY WATER INSIDE THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, UH, AND REALLY THE MAJORITY OF THESE THAT WE ARE SUBMITTING ARE A LONG SHOT.

UM, BUT, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING THE TACK THAT HAS GOT WATER IN IT.

WE'RE GOING TO LET DEM LIKE CALL.

WHAT ABOUT IN SUNNY SIDE? WAS THERE ANY ASSIGNEES I HAD SOMEONE TO CALL DURING THE TIME OF THE STORM WATER AND A HAZARD.

SO I DON'T KNOW THE LIST THAT I HAVE DID NOT SHOW SUNNY SIDE, ANY SUNNY SIDE UNITS IN THERE.

YOU ALSO NEED TO REMEMBER THAT THE ONES THAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW ARE BERTHA AND FRAN, WHO IT TAKES A WHILE TO GET THE MONEY, EVEN WHEN YOU PUT IT IN, NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT IT, THEY'RE GOING TO SPEAK LIKE THAT.

IT TAKES AN AWFUL CAUSE I'VE GOT SURE WHICH HURRICANE IT WAS THAT SOMEBODY CALLED ME SO MANY, ONE RIGHT BEHIND ANOTHER ONE, FLORIDA, DENNIS, MARY JANE, AND THEN YOU'LL HEAR THINGS LIKE

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ROCKY MOUNTS PUTTING IN 400 HOUSES AND TEST THEM FOR SO MANY AND BRING THEM OVER SO MANY.

BUT REMEMBER FOOLISH.

WE WERE VERY FORTUNATE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THE FUNDS ARE GOING AS THEY SHOULD BE THE GREATEST NEED IS, BUT I THINK WE MAY BE ABLE TO PICK UP A FEW UNITS.

AND ULTIMATELY I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE GREATER DEPTH OF FIELD AREA UNDER MISCELLANEOUS.

GOOD, GOOD.

PLEASE TALK ABOUT THE GRADING AND YOU SHALL HAVE THE MAN TO CALL AND BARBARA YOU'LL HAVE TWO HAVE IN YOUR SIDES AND HIM, IF IT HAD MORE WELL, YOU DONE, UH, I THINK I HAVE THE NEXT ITEM.

THOSE OVER HERE, WE'LL FOCUS, PUBLIC HEARING AT THAT ORDINANCE TO CONSIDER RESIGNING 1.26, TWO ACRE TRACK CONTAINING TWO LIGHTS FROM I INDUSTRIAL TO C3 COMMERCIAL DISTRICT LOCATED IN NORTH SIDE OF TRENT ROAD AT THE INTERSECTION OF SEVENTH TRIP.

TAKE IT AWAY.

OKAY.

THIS IS THE PROPERTY AS YOU'RE GOING OUT TRAMP ROAD AND YOU PASS THE CAR WASH ON YOUR LEFT AND GO PAST THE RAILROAD TRACKS.

IT'S A TRIANGULAR PIECE OVER ON THE RIGHT BEFORE YOU GET TO THE GRAY INDUSTRIAL BUILDING THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY BEFORE YOU GET TO THAT BUILDING, IT'S UH, ABOUT ONE AND A QUARTER ACRES, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY WISHES TO REZONE IT FROM OUR ONE LIGHT INDUSTRY TO SEE THREE COMMERCIAL, PRIMARY REASON FOR THAT IS THAT, UM, THE SETBACKS WORK BETTER.

UH, AS FAR AS UTILIZATION OF THE PROPERTY IN INDUSTRIAL ZONES, YOU HAVE A 50 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE ACTIVITIES TAKING PLACE.

UH, THE APPLICANT IS LOOKING FOR RETAIL USE HERE, A COMMERCIAL FITS THAT TYPE OF USE BETTER, AND HE CAN GET BETTER UTILIZATION OF PROPERTY.

I MIGHT JUST SEND IT BACK TO THE HAND.

UH, IT'S 10 FOOT MARSHAL.

NOW, WAIT A MINUTE.

YOU MEAN TO TELL ME SCALY ESTIMATE THAT LOT THAT I BOUGHT AND PUT MY LITTLE BUILDING ON THE STORAGE B, IT JUST HAPPENED TO BE ZONED INDUSTRIAL, RIGHT? IS THAT THAT THING? 50 FEET MIKE AND IN THE PAST WE'VE HAD ENOUGH.

I KNOW I'VE SPOKEN ABOUT THIS BEFORE.

WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF CASES AND IT DOES NOT RELATE TO THIS ONE.

IT'S JUST THAT THIS IS ON THE AGENDA AND IT REMINDED ME OF IT.

UM, THAT LOOKED AT THIS ONE HAD NO PROBLEM WITH IT.

WE HAVE REZONED PROPERTY HOME OCCASION IN THE PAST WHEN SOMEONE WOULD SET, ONE WOULD SAY, I NEED IT RESOLVED BECAUSE I'M GOING TO DO THIS.

AND WE'VE ALWAYS KNOWN THAT WE CAN'T CONTRACT DISSOLVE.

WE CANNOT RESOLVE IT JUST BECAUSE THEY SAID THEY WANTED TO PUT A PARTICULAR THING THERE.

ONCE IT'S REZONED, THERE'S A WHOLE LAUNDRY LIST OF THINGS THAT COULD GO THERE.

I, I WOULD LIKE A LIST, PERHAPS MAYBE YOU COULD GIVE US A LIST WITH THESE APPLICATIONS THAT WOULD TELL US WHAT ALL COULD BE PUT IN THAT ZONE.

ONCE IT'S RESOLVED, UM, AT A PARTICULAR PROPERTY I'VE GOT IN MIND AS THE, UH, WHAT IT USED TO BE THE OLD DR.

PEPPER PLAN.

I BELIEVE ISN'T IT OWN TRENT ROAD.

AND WE REZONED THAT PLACE A YEAR AND WE RESOLVED THAT PROPERTY A YEAR, A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.

AND THE LADY SAID SHE WANTED TO PUT A PRIVATE SCHOOL THERE AND SHE HAS DONE A GOOD JOB IN THE PAST.

I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE WORK SHE'S DONE IN THE PAST.

AND WE HAD NO OBJECTION TO THAT NOW, THE PROPERTIES FOR LEASE OR FOR SALE OR WHATEVER.

SO OBVIOUSLY THERE HAS BEEN A CHANGE AND THAT OPENS UP A WHOLE CAN OF WORMS TO ME THAT THERE IS SUCH A, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT NOW COULD GO ON THAT PROPERTY.

WE REZONED NOT CONTRACT REZONE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY GUARANTEE.

WE WEREN'T REZONING IT JUST BECAUSE SHE WAS GOING TO PUT A SCHOOL THERE, BUT IT SEEMED TO FIT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

BUT I GET NERVOUS WHEN I LOOK AT THE LIST OF THINGS THAT NOW CAN GO IN THAT ZONE, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, RATHER THAN CARRY THIS CITY CODE BOOK AROUND WITH ME, WHICH IS A BIG, HEAVY BOOK,

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RATHER THAN HAVE TO LOOK THESE THINGS UP EACH TIME.

IF WE COULD PUT A LIST OF USES THAT ONCE WE REZONED THE PROPERTY, ANY OF THESE THINGS CAN GO THERE.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE PERHAPS IF, IF THERE'S SOME WAY WE CAN MAKE A DRAW OFF AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS, IF WE RAISE ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND THERE IS NOT SOME MOVEMENT TOWARD DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PROPERTY WITHIN A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME, THE ZONING REVERTS TO WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY TO KEEP SOMEBODY FROM JUST WHO DOING THIS CAN'T LIVE, THAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THIS PUBLIC HEARINGS.

WE GET OFF THE SUBJECT.

WELL, NO, THIS IS ON THE SUBJECT TO RESOLVING.

I MEAN, IF WE RESOLVED IT, UH, IF WE RESOLVE IT, WHAT C1, C3, UH, C3, UH, I THINK ACTUALLY THEY WANT TO PUT A PARKING LOT THERE, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THEY COULD DO WELL THEN THAT THIS CASE WITH UPGRADING WE'RE UPGRADING, I THINK WE ARE.

AND THAT'S WHY I SAID THAT IT'S NOT THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY.

IT'S JUST REZONING IN GENERAL.

IT'S BREEZES AKI, EVERYONE ON A LIST OF THE TABLE OF PERMISSIBLE USES IT'S ABOUT THREE OR FOUR PAGES IN FOR EACH.

SO IT TELLS YOU WHAT CAN BE USED IN AN EYE AND YOU CAN KEEP AND HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT IT WILL BE SOMETHING VERY EASY TO KEEP UP WITH VERSUS THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT.

MAYBE PUT IT IN YOUR NOTEBOOK AND BACK FOR REFERENCE.

ATTACH IT IN A BOOK.

YEAH, I PUT IT, PUT IT IN THE BACK AND UNDER ONE OF THESE UNUSED LABELS, UH, IT'S A PROBLEM SOMETIMES READING IT IN THAT ORDINANCE AND THE CODE BOOK, THAT'S A RASCAL, UH, DISCUSS THE ISSUE THAT YOU'RE RAISING WITH THE INSTITUTE.

SEE WHAT'S OUT THERE, SEE WHAT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE IF THERE ARE SOME POSSIBILITIES TO GET BACK TO THE CITY, ATTORNEY TALKED TO HIM ABOUT THEM AND, AND, AND GET YOU SOMETHING.

IF THERE ARE OPTIONS.

I THINK BOTTOM LINE IS IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS A VERY DANGEROUS THING.

AND SOMETHING THAT SHOULD NOT BE DONE IS TO TAKE SOMEBODY'S WORD FOR WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE RISONI BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS THAT CAN CHANGE A PERSON'S BEST INTENTIONS.

AND WHAT THE LAW WILL TELL YOU IS YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DOING IT BASED ON THEIR INTENT.

YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BASE IT ON WHETHER OR NOT THAT PROPOSED STONING IS APPROPRIATE FOR THIS, THAT AREA.

BUT IS IT GENERALLY ACCEPTED WHAT MAX MAY HAVE SAID, OR SOMEBODY SAID IN THE CONVERSATION WRONG GUY, I KNOW THAT SOME OF THE, UH, DESIGNATIONS COULD BE CONSIDERED QUOTE, UNQUOTE UPGRADES OR DOWNGRADES.

IN OTHER WORDS, IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT IT'S MORE PROTECTION TO THE SURROUNDING PEOPLE LIVING IN THE AREA.

IF YOU WENT TO A COMMERCIAL ZONING, AS OPPOSED TO HAVING A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, I MEAN, JUST BY THE NAME OF IT, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL IS A WHOLE LOT WORSE THINGS.

I'M JUST ASSUMING THAT IT COULD GO IN PROPERTY POTENTIALLY AS A COMMERCIAL.

SO DO YOU ALL AS PLANNERS OR WHATEVER, LOOK AT THINGS AS BEING GOING UP THE SCALE OR DOWN THE SCALE.

I MEAN, EVEN TO THE AIRPORT, IT'S LIKE, OH, THAT'S WHAT WAS GOING.

AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? ZONING BOARD SHOULD LOOK AT THAT STOP.

AND BASICALLY THAT IS, THERE IS A GREAT ASIAN, OR BASED ON THE INTENSITY OF ABUSE, NOT LEANING THAT SOME C3 USES MIGHT BE MORE OBNOXIOUS THAN SOME OUR I TWO USES, BUT GENERALLY THAT'S THE CASE.

WELL, AND ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM, IT'S IT JUST BROUGHT IT TO MIND.

I REMEMBER ONE ZONING CHANGE THAT WAS REQUESTED, WHICH WE DID NOT RESUME.

THEY SPECIFIED ANY EFFECT THAT THEY WANTED TO PUT AN OFFICE THERE, BUT IT WAS ADJACENT TO A VERY NICE RESIDENTIAL ZONE.

AND IT ALSO WOULD HAVE ALLOWED, UH, THINGS LIKE A CREMATORIUM AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, WHICH I DON'T THINK THE PEOPLE WANTED IN THEIR RESIDENTIALS ADJACENT TO THEIR RESIDENTIAL ZONE.

SO THERE'S SOME SCARY THINGS IN THERE THAT, UH, IT, IT, IT FELL INTO THE SAME CATEGORY AS, AS A SERIES OF OFFICES, LIKE BUYING BANKS FELL IN THE SAME ZONE.

UH, I DON'T THINK PEOPLE WOULD REALLY WANTED THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC FROM THE TRIBE THROUGH, FROM THE BANK, BUT I'M SURE THEY WOULDN'T, THEY DIDN'T WANT THERE.

SO I, IT, SOME OF THEM COME UP KIND OF SCARY.

OKAY.

SO, UM, THE PARTICULAR REZONING REQUEST HERE, IT WENT BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD, THE PLANNING BOARD NOTED THAT THERE WAS A SMALL PARCEL ABOUT 3000 SQUARE FEET ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY, AS IT COMES OUT TO

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A POINT AT THE RAILROAD.

AND THEY RECOMMENDED THAT THAT ALSO BE RESA C3, BECAUSE WHAT WOULD BE LEFT THERE? NO ONE COULD DO ANYTHING WITH, WITH 50 FOOT SETBACKS, UH, STAFF CHECK WITH THE OWNER, THE OTHERS IN AGREEMENT WITH, UH, REZONING IT C3 ALSO, UH, WHAT'S THAT? NO, NO, NO.

IT'S JUST A SMALL PIECE OF DIRT.

UH, 3000 SQUARE FEET, VERY SMALL, NOTHING BUT GRASS.

AND IT WOULD MAKE THAT ENTIRE TRIANGLE THERE C3.

HE WAS IN AGREEMENT AND THE PLANNING BOARD RECEIVED NO OBJECTIONS AND THEY RECOMMEND THE REZONING COME OUT ON TO SEE, IS THERE ANYBODY HERE TONIGHT FOR THE JACKSON? ANYBODY WANT TO LIVE WITH SECOND? ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OF THAT? NOT CALL PLEASE, MAN.

YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES.

OH MAN.

MY MAN ASKED THE QUESTION.

DOES THAT MEAN YOU TENDED TO PUT YOUR SHOT THERE? MIKE? I JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT, UH, ST.

JOE, THEY MAY, MAY HAVE AT 50 FOOT SETBACK.

NOW I'M OFF OF MY LEVEL OF CLOT UP AS AN ALTERNATE LANDING SITE FOR THE .

I LIKE THIS REZONING PUTS THEM CLOSE TO MY HOUSE.

ALL RIGHT.

LASTLY, WHAT WE GOT NEXT WITH NUMBER EIGHT, CONSIDER REQUEST A LOCAL LEGISLATION TO REFILL PREVIOUS AMENDMENT TO CITY CHARTER REGARDING MAIL AND TERM LIMITS.

UH, I THINK MR. ROCK PARKLAND FOUND THAT THERE WAS NOT A PREVIOUS AMENDMENT THAT YOU SIGNED TO THE CITY.

THERE WAS A PREVIOUS AMENDMENT, BUT IT DID NOT DEAL WITH THE ISSUE OF THE TERM LIMITS.

IT DEALT WITH SOMETHING ELSE.

AND SO IT WAS WORDED THIS WORD, BUT WHAT THEY CONSIDER A RATION IS TO GET RID OF THE TERM LIMITS ON THE MAYOR.

UH, WHOEVER THE MAYOR MAY BE.

WELL, MAYOR MIKE, THAT WE DID SOME RESEARCH AND IN THE SURROUNDING AREAS, THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT HAD A TERM LIMIT WAS JACKSON AND THE OTHER CASTON, GOLDSBORO, RALEIGH, GREENWALD, SMITHFIELD COUNTY, AND CITY AND WHATEVER.

AND THEN I MOVE, WE ADOPT THE RESOLUTION OR THE DISCUSSION.

I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS TABLE IN A DECISION TO DO THAT TONIGHT.

I HAVE DONE SOME RESEARCH MYSELF AND, AND I RE AND I SEE THAT THIS CHARTER WAS DONE, UM, IN 1957, WHICH CHANGED IT TO TERM LIMITS FOR THE MATH DIDN'T CHANGE.

IT MADE IT, IT DIDN'T CHANGE IT.

NO, THE EARLIER CHARTER AND SAME LIMITATION.

OKAY.

SO YOU BOUGHT, WE'VE ALWAYS HAD THIS LIMITATION.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S ALWAYS BEEN, I HAVE, I HAVE A SMALL PUBLICATION LIKE THIS, WHICH HAS ALL THE ORDERS CITY IN IT BACK IN THE MID THIRTIES.

AND I TOOK A LOOK AT IT TODAY.

I HAD THE SAME TIME THAT THAT WAS PICKED UP AT .

OKAY.

WELL, WHEN I, WHEN I CALL SOMEWHAT FRIENDS AND RALLY AND SOME OTHER PEOPLE LOCALLY, WHO I RESPECT THE OPINIONS, I RESPECT AND ASKED ABOUT THIS, AND I TOOK A LOOK AT IT AND I'M THINKING, WELL, NOW THIS IS PROBABLY SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CHANGED A LONG TIME AGO, THIS TERM LIMIT, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS, AND THEN THAT, THEN YOU'LL HAVE ALL THESE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY IS THERE A TERM LIMIT FOR THE GOVERNOR? WHY ISN'T THE PRESIDENT? WHY DO WE HAVE TERM LIMITS TO START WITH WHY, WHY FOR GOD'S SAKE, ARE YOU GUYS MOTIVATED AT THIS TIME TO DO IT? YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, WHAT'S BEHIND IT ALL.

AND I WANTED TO, I WAS WONDERING, YOU KNOW, I WAS TALKING TO SOME PEOPLE AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE FEEL THE WAY I DO A LITTLE BIT HESITANT ABOUT SOMETHING CHANGES THAT ARE DONE.

SO

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ARBITRARILY, JUST LIKE, OH, LET'S CHANGE THIS AS A GOOD IDEA.

UM, I DON'T LIKE THE POSITION THAT SEEMS TO PUT MY MARION, UM, WHEN WE'RE MAKING CHANGES LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UH, HAVING THE OPPOSITION, I'M NOT SURE IF I'M ON POST TO ANY CHANGES.

LIKE I SAID, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN CHANGED A LONG TIME AGO, BUT HOW WAS IT TO OUR ADVANTAGE? AND I RECALL THAT MANY YEARS AGO, UM, AS WE PARTICIPATE IN AND RIGHTS FOR PEOPLE IN CIVIL RIGHTS FOR FOLKS, IT WAS DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE TO GET A METHOD, ESPECIALLY MINORITIES.

AND OFTENTIMES IF THERE HAD NOT BEEN TERM LIMITS THAT WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN ON THE MORGAN I'M SURE.

OR THERE MIGHT'VE BEEN, I'M SURE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PHILOSOPHY WAS OR IS ABOUT MAYBE THESE FOLKS WHO DON'T HAVE IT SHOULD HAVE IT.

I DON'T KNOW.

MAYBE WE SHOULDN'T HAVE IT, YOU KNOW, BUT I THINK THAT IT'S WORTH, IF WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE CHARTER, THAT OF THE ENTIRE CITY AS THOSE THAT I TALKED TO TODAY, FEEL THAT IT'S PROBABLY BEST IF WE TOOK A TIME AND TALKED ABOUT, I MEAN, YOU GUYS HAVE OBVIOUSLY HAD A CHANCE TO CAUCUS WITH YOURSELVES ABOUT IT.

AND I HAVEN'T BEEN PRIVILEGED WITH THAT, TO THAT INFORMATION.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO SIT AROUND AND TALK ABOUT THE PROS AND CONS OF WHEN WE DECIDED TO CHANGE OUR CHARTER.

I, UM, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T LIKE THE QUESTIONS THAT I GET WHEN IT PUTS MY MAYOR IN A REALLY CRAZY PREDICAMENT HERE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE QUESTIONS THAT THEY ASKED ME, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT OUR MOTIVATION IS OR WHAT YOUR MOTIVATION IS WHEN WE ASK NOW.

AND WE DIDN'T ASK WHAT NOW AND WHAT OTHER PARENTS WHO, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD HAVE CHANGED, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, I HAVEN'T SAT AROUND AND DISCUSSED, UH, MY MOTIVATION FOR BRINGING THIS THING UP IS THAT I FEEL LIKE THE PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO VOTE THE PERSON THEY WANT IN AND THROAT THE PERSON OUT.

AND I'VE ALWAYS FELT THAT WAY.

AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I BROUGHT IT UP IS NOT TO SUPPORT ANY INDIVIDUAL IS JUST THE FEELINGS THAT I HAVE.

AND THEN OTHER PEOPLE HAD THE SAME FEELINGS AND I'VE TALKED TO, SO THAT'S THE REASON I INTRODUCED THIS IS, BUT TO GET THE PEOPLE BACK TO VOTE ON IT AND ALL THESE OTHER CITIES THAT THAT'S SEVEN OF THEM, IT'S LISTED DOWN HERE, GIVE THAT PAPER ON THE PRIVILEGE TO VOTE IN OR OUT WHOEVER THEY, HOPEFULLY, I THINK THAT GOOD.

AND I THINK THAT IT'S, IT SEEMS TO BE JUST TO ALLOW FOLKS THAT PRIVILEGE AND I DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION MERELY TO THAT.

AND LIKE I SAID, WHEN I LOOK AT IT, I THINK AS IT COMPARES TO THE KIND OF INFORMATION I'VE GOTTEN, I'VE BEEN BOMBARDED WITH INFORMATION TODAY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE TAKEN A LOOK AT IT, BUT, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT MOTIVATED THOSE CHANGES AS WELL AS WHEN OUR CHILD HAS SAID THAT WE HAD, UM, VOTING OF ALL THE MEN FROM THE CITY CITYWIDE, AND THERE WERE MINORITY, SOME COULD NOT BE VOTED IN.

AND THEN WHEN THERE WAS THIS LOBBYING SO THAT IT COULD BE BROKEN DOWN IN WARDS, SO THAT, THAT OUR BOARDS WOULD BE REPRESENTATIVE OF ALL THE PEOPLE.

AND I THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN, THAT'S UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, I, I BELIEVE THAT EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE THAT SAME.

RIGHT.

BUT UNFORTUNATELY, FOR SOME WHO OPPRESSED FOLKS DIDN'T HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY, ESPECIALLY IF THERE WAS SOMEONE WHO WAS, UH, PUT IN A POSITIONS AND THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY METHODS OR WHATEVER POSITIONS WHERE YOU HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO CAN CONTINUOUSLY, THEN THERE WAS NEVER A FED IN THE NEW BLOOD.

AND IT DID NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR OTHERS TO, TO, TO, TO HAVE A VOICE.

AND THAT MIGHT'VE BEEN THE MOTIVATION THEN.

AND SOME OF YOU PROBABLY FEEL THAT THESE KINDS OF THINGS DON'T HAPPEN.

NOW, WE'VE FORTUNATE IN THE CITY OF NEWBURGH.

I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE A MAN, UNLIKE A LOT OF MEN OF ANY COLOR WHO HAS A SPECIAL FAIRNESS, SPECIAL KINDNESS FOR, AND HAVE SPECIAL PASSION FOR DOING RIGHT THINGS.

BUT FOR UNFORTUNATELY IN THE PAST, AND MAYBE IN THE FUTURE, IT HASN'T BEEN THAT WAY.

AND IT WOULD JUST CAUSE A LOT OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF PROBLEMS. I JUST LIKE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ABSORB THIS.

AND, YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER WHEN WE, WE, WE, UM, CHANGE MARTIN LUTHER KING BOULEVARD TO MARTIN LUTHER KING BOULEVARD.

I DIVIDE EMOTIONS BECAUSE WE WANTED IT DONE AND HE THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA AND WE DID IT.

AND THEN WE TOOK A LOOK AT IT AND SAID, OKAY, WELL LET'S JUST CONSIDER THESE THINGS AND LET'S DO IT DIFFERENTLY.

SO I'M ONLY SAYING THAT IF WE TABLED IT UNTIL WE CAN SIT AROUND ALL OF US, TALK AND TALK ABOUT THE PROS AND CONS AND SEE HOW THE COMMUNITY FEELS, THEN MAYBE WE CAN, CAN, UH, LET ME SAY THAT TIME.

THE GUY THAT HAPPENS TO BE THE MAYOR, WHICH IS NOT A PLEASANT POSITION TO BE IN WITH SOMEBODY TALKING ABOUT, WELL, I MADE AS FAR AS MOVING TO TERM LIMITS BECAUSE YOU KNOW, ANSWERS TO THEM

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IS ANYBODY ELSE ON THE BOARD HAD ANYBODY OPPOSED IT, THEY ONLY, THEY WERE QUOTED AS TO IT SAYING, THAT'S THE THING.

AND THE REASON FOR THAT, AND YOU ALL KNOW THAT I'M NOT THE ONE ASKING FOR THIS.

HOWEVER, LET ME MAKE THIS AS A MAN SAID, PERFECTLY CLEAR WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT HISTORY, FIRST OF ALL, IF WE WERE IMPOSING TERM LIMITS ON PEOPLE, I WOULD BE VERY CONCERNED.

I WOULD WANT LONG DISCUSSION.

AND I WOULD BE VERY CAUTIOUS ABOUT THIS THING.

THE REASON FOR THAT IS THE FOUNDING FATHERS ALWAYS WANTED A DECISION AS THE WORLD OF SOMEBODY CAUSE AN OFFICE LEFT UP TO THE PEOPLE.

AND THAT WOULD BE LIKE A MARRIAGE DECISION BETWEEN THAT PERSON WHO WOULD DECIDE TO RUN FOR THAT OFFICE.

AND THEN THE SECOND PART OF THAT PROCESS IS WHETHER THE PEOPLE VOTE HIM IN OR OUT, THEY THINKING WAS JUST LIKE IN THE CASE THAT I WON OVER AN INCUMBENT MAYOR WHO WAS AN EXCELLENT MAKER, AND I'VE SAID IT MANY, MANY TIMES, HE DID A GREAT JOB FOR THE CITY OF NEWBURGH, PROBABLY MUCH BETTER MAYOR THAN I, WHATEVER HOPE TO BE.

AND HE HAD BEEN SERVING FOR A LONG TIME AND FOR WHATEVER REASONS, THE PEOPLE JUST DECIDED THEY WANTED TO A FRESH FACE, BUT IT WAS THE PEOPLE'S DECISION TO MAKE THAT DECISION.

AND IT WAS MOWED A DISRESPECT TO THE IS INCUMBENT ANY MORE SO THAN IT WOULD BE DISRESPECTS.

UH, IF I HAD LOST IN THE LAST ELECTION OR HAD DECIDED TO RUN AGAIN OR WHATEVER, CAUSE A VOICE TO MAKE THAT DECISION OR THE CHOICE WAS ALWAYS IN THE HANDS OF THE PEOPLE.

AND, UH, SOMETIMES THE PEOPLE CAN BE FICKLE ABOUT THINGS OR WHAT HAPPENED.

BUT IN THE BEGINNING THERE WERE NO TERM LIMITS AT ALL.

AND I KNOW WHEN THE COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED, EVEN FOR PRESIDENT AND, UH, THAT IF PEOPLE MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.

AND, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, I THINK IN THE CITY OF NEWMAN, THERE WASN'T EVEN A MAYOR IN THE LATE 1850S.

IT WAS .

SO MY POINT ABOUT IT IS AS AN INDIVIDUAL, I WOULD BE A WHOLE LOT MORE HOUSING AND PUTTING RESTRICTIONS ON THE VOTERS, MEANING I WAS GOING TO RESTRICT THEIR CHANCE TO DECIDE WHO THEY WANTED TO BE IN AN OFFICE MORE SO THAN I WOULD BE LIFTING OFF RESTRICTION, WHICH IS WHAT BILL IS TRYING TO DO BY TAKING TERM LIMITS ALL.

CAUSE THAT IS CONVINCED PARTICULARLY INCIDENCE ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO DECIDE WITHOUT THE RUN AGAIN, WHEN THAT CAME UP, WHICH AT THIS POINT I WOULD BE NOT GOING TO RUN.

AND THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN WOULD BE GIVE INDIVIDUAL VOTERS THE ISTATION AS TO WHETHER A THEY WON'T LEAVE ME AGAIN OR B, THEY WANTED SOMEBODY ELSE AGAIN.

AND I HAD PEOPLE COME UP TO ME AS AN INDIVIDUAL AND THEY ASKED ME WHICH I WAS VERY RELIEVED TO GET OUT OF THE SITUATION BY SAYING, SORRY, I CAN'T RUN AGAIN.

BUT I WOULD COME UP TO ME IN DIFFERENT STORES AND I'LL RUN IT AGAIN AND ALL THAT.

NOT THAT I CAN'T, WELL, WE'D LIKE TO SEE YOUR BOTTOM.

AND THEY TOLD ME TO GET UPSET BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T THINK THAT THEY WERE HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE IF THEY WANTED TO.

AND I SAID, WELL, I DIDN'T REALLY LIKE THAT.

AND I SUPPOSE GOD, ON ANOTHER, THEY MIGHT COME UP THE NEXT TIME.

IT MIGHT ONLY BE ONE PERSON, YOU KNOW, AND LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY.

SUPPOSE I WAS TO ROW.

AND AGAIN, AT THIS POINT I HAVE NO INTENTION TO RUN, BUT IF I WAS A RUNNER AND IF EVERY BODY AND THE CITY OF NEWBURGH WOULDN'T BE WOULDN'T HAPPEN, BUT LET'S JUST PRETEND I'M FOR MEN WANTED ME TO BE THE MAYOR THEN BECAUSE OF THIS ARTIFICIALLY IMPOSE TERM LIMITS, NO WEATHER IN NEW ENGLAND WOULD GET WHAT THEY WANTED.

AND THE INDIVIDUAL THAT WANTED TO OFFER HIMSELF UP TO BE VOTED CORE, AUNTS WOULD NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT.

SO IN THAT CASE WITH THE WAR, THE WHOLE WHEEL OF THE VEHICLE, BUT BY HAVING A TERM LIMIT, I MEAN, IN MY, I CAN'T SEE WHAT THE ADVANTAGE IS TO THE PEOPLE.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.

THAT'S WHY I DON'T CARE ABOUT, I MEAN, I'M AGAINST TERM LIMITS BECAUSE IF EVERYBODY, IF YOU COULD GO OUT HERE AND EVERYBODY, AND THEY WENT AUTOMATICALLY WAS ELIGIBLE TO BE MAYOR AND WAS SOMEHOW, AUTOMATICALLY, AND WE CAN ALL VOTE FOR WHOEVER WE WANTED.

THEN I WOULD SAY FINE HAVE TERM LIMITS ON WHEN YOU WON'T, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A GREAT SELECTION TO CHOOSE FROM.

AND THAT'S NOT ALWAYS WHAT HAPPENS.

YOU KNOW, WE JUST CAN'T GET PEOPLE TO COME UP AND RUN FOR ALL OF THIS ALL THE TIME.

SO IF WE HAVE A GOOD CHOICE OF PEOPLE TO CHOOSE FROM, SO THAT'S MY PERSONAL PLANNER.

YEAH.

COULD YOU HOLD THIS MATTER OPEN FOR A MINUTE, PLEASE STEP UP FOR A SECOND.

ALL RIGHT, MR. MAYOR, I MIGHT AS WELL WAIT, I HAVE, IN MY MIND FOR A LONG TIME THAN OPPOSED TO TERM LIMITS, FOR TWO REASONS, ONE REASON

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YOU MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO VOTE FOR A PERSON WHO HAS DONE A VERY GOOD JOB, WHICH IS PART OF WHAT YOU SAID.

NUMBER TWO, I DON'T BELIEVE TERM LIMITS ARE CONSTITUTIONAL.

THERE ARE THREE AMENDMENTS TO THE CONSTITUTION, FIFTH NUMBER 15, NUMBER 19, AND NUMBER 26, WHICH SINGLE OUT ACTUALLY INDIVIDUAL GROUPS OF PEOPLE AND SAY THAT NO LAWS SHALL BE MADE TO DENY OR A BRIDGE THEM THE RIGHT TO VOTE AND TO A BRIDGE MEANS TO SHORTEN OR TAKE AWAY AN EFFECT.

AND I THINK THAT ANYTHING THAT ONE WOULD CHALLENGE BEFORE THE SUPREME COURT THAT DENIED A PERSON, THE RIGHT TO RUN FOR OFFICE.

AGAIN, AS MANY TIMES AS THEY WANTED TO RUN WOULD BE ULTIMATELY REJECTED BY THE SUPREME COURT.

IF IN FACT IT GOT THAT FAR, IT JUST HAS NOT GOTTEN THAT FAR.

I REMEMBER AN AWFUL LOT OF PEOPLE THAT THOUGHT THE TERM TERM LIMITS WERE A WONDERFUL THING AND CAMPAIGNED ON IT AND GOT ELECTED.

ALL OF A SUDDEN, IT'S VERY QUIET.

THOSE BIRDS GOT TO WASHINGTON AND THAT NEST WAS A LITTLE SOFTER THAN THEY THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE.

AND THEY'RE STILL THERE AND THEY'RE GOING TO STAY THERE.

SO THERE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR TERM LIMITS IN WASHINGTON.

IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

I HADN'T.

UM, I THINK THE TERM, WELL, GEORGE WASHINGTON ORIGINALLY WAS ASKED TO BE PRESENT.

HE WAS ASKED TO BE KING OF THE UNITED STATES, NOT PRESIDENT.

HE WAS ASKED TO BE KING AND HE REFUSED TO DO IT.

AND THEY GOT TO THINKING ABOUT IT AND CHANGE THE TERM, THE PRESIDENT AND PUT TERMS ON IT.

AND THEN OF COURSE, FRANKLIN ROOSEVELT WAS THE FIRST PRESIDENT ELECTED WITH THIRD TERM.

AND THAT'S WHEN CONGRESS SAID, WAIT A MINUTE.

AND THAT'S WHEN THEY DETERMINED THAT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S CONSTITUTIONAL.

AND I THINK IT WOULD DENY THE PEOPLE, THE RIGHT TO VOTE FOR THE CANDIDATE OF THEIR CHOICE.

AND THOSE ARE THE TWO REASONS I OPPOSE IT, NO OTHER WELL I'VE UM, I, AS, LIKE I SAID, AS I LOOKED INTO IT AND I TO, AND OTHERS BELIEVE THAT IT COULD BE INTERPRETED AS AN UNCONSTITUTIONAL TO HAVE TERM LIMITS.

AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT I'M IN FAVOR OF TERMINAL.

AS I SAID, I THINK THAT THIS IS PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT SHOULD HAVE DEFINITELY BEEN AWHILE AGO.

AND IT SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE BEEN CHANGED A WHILE AGO.

I'M JUST ASKING THAT WE TOOK TAKE TIME.

YOU KNOW, WE DO SOMETHING TO AFFECT THE CHARTER THAT HAS BEEN THE CHILD OF THE CITY OF NEWBURGH.

UM, THAT, THAT WE JUST GIVE IT A LITTLE THOUGHT AND JUST ASK THEM, GIVES ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO ABSORB WHAT WOULD THE APP, WHAT THE EFFECTS ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT THINGS CAN BE.

WHY DO YOU GET THAT WAY TO START WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON? I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK THAT, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE FORTUNATE NOW AND WE HAVE A GOOD GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO RUN IN OUR CITY AND I'M NOT IN BAD.

WE WON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS IF WE DO IT FOR HIM AND NEVER, I JUST THINK THAT IT, IT, UM, WARRANTS SOMETHING AS SERIOUS AS THIS ONCE A WEEK.

I LIKE TO CALL, I HAVE A MOTION TO THE SECOND.

I MADE A MOTION.

SORRY.

I LIKE TO MAKE A TO TABLE DISCUSS THE DECISION TONIGHT HERE.

A SLAP ROLL, PLEASE.

MA'AM YES.

THIS IS THE DRAW, THE ROAD TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION.

YES, YES.

AH, YES.

I DON'T LIKE TO ABSTAIN SINCE, SO I GET THE SLINGS AND ARROWS ALREADY IS ALREADY ALL POSITIVE TO ONE NOW.

ANYWAY, SO WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.

OKAY.

NEXT THING IS TO CONSIDER A REQUEST TO LIVE IN THE LEGISLATION, TO REVEAL PREVIOUS AMENDMENT TO THE CITY CHARTER REGARDING THE MAYOR'S RIGHT TO VOTE.

OKAY.

MAY OF BELLIS, UH, THIS ISSUE CAME UP IN RESPONSE TO, UH, OUR CONSIDERING, UH, REPEALING TERM LIMITS ON THE MAYOR.

AND THE REASON THAT I BROUGHT THIS ISSUE UP IS THAT,

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UM, WHEN I FIRST SAW ARRIVED ON THE BOARD SOMETIME AROUND 1985, THE MAYOR ONLY VOTED DURING TIES.

AND IT HAS BEEN LIKE THAT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE CITY'S CHARTER.

THE ROLE OF THE MIRROR PROJECT TIME HAS CHAIN WITH THAT THAT'LL BE CONSENSUS BUILDER AND WHAT HE DID WHEN HE, HE, UH, HE WAS A CONSENSUS BUILDER AND THAT HE GOT GROUPS, THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD TOGETHER ON A CERTAIN ISSUE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DELIBERATED FAIRLY MAKE IT AND MADE SURE THAT THEY CONSIDERED THE TOTALITY OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES ON ANY ISSUE BEFORE THE BOARD.

AND, UH, IF THERE WAS A TIE BAN, THE MIRROR HAS A RIGHT TO EXERCISE A VOTE AND IT WOULD, IT WAS MORE OR LESS A QUASAR VETOED VOTE.

IN OTHER WORDS, WHATEVER POSITION HE THOUGHT WAS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY, NO, HE WOULD VOTE AND BREAK THE IMPASSE OR THE TRAP AND ALL OF THESE CITIES THAT WE'VE NAMED, WHERE THE MILL DOESN'T HAPPEN TO TERM LIMITS THE SAME CITIES ALSO HAVE THE MAIL TO VOTE ONLY IN CASE OF ATTACK.

AND I THINK WE NEED TO RETURN IT BACK TO THE STATUS QUO, WHICH IS THE MAIL IS BEING A CONSENSUS BUILDER.

HE VOTES ONLY DURING THE TOP.

AND, UM, THE REASON THAT WE CHANGED IT IS THAT WE HAD A MAYOR WHO HAS SERVED TWO TERM AS ALL THE PERSON AND THAT MAYOR WANT IT TO BE ABLE TO VOTE ON ALL ISSUES.

SO BECAUSE THEY WERE ACCUSTOMED TO VOTING AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON IT WAS CHANGED.

AND THERE ARE TWO OTHER MEMBERS WHO WERE ON THE BOARD AT THAT TIME THAT IT WAS CHANGED.

THEY MAY HAVE GOTTEN, MR. BOUNDED WAS ONE MAXFRAME WAS ANOTHER.

AND FOR THAT REASON, I'M RECOMMENDING THAT WE RETURN IT BACK TO THE, WHERE IT WAS, WHICH IS ALLOWING THE MAYOR TO VOTE ONLY FOR A TABOO AND THEN PASS, WHICH IS IF IT'S THREE, THREE, THEN THE MAYOR BREAKS THE ATTACK, BUT IT'S REALLY NOT TAKING AWAY ANYTHING FROM HIM.

BUT, UH, AGAIN, WE'RE JUST RETURNING THINGS BACK TO THE STATUS QUO.

I THINK PRECEDENT SHOULD MEAN, WELL, I AGREE.

AND I MIGHT NOT HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT IT UNTIL YOU EXPLAINED IT BEFORE.

AND I AGREE WITH THAT AND RAISED FOR THAT, IS IT, UH, ALTHOUGH I SAY THIS TO PEOPLE, BECAUSE IT'S TRUE WHEN THEY SAY BRING SOMETHING UP OR THIS OR THAT, I ALWAYS REMIND THEM, MY MOM DIDN'T WANT THEM SEVEN BUCKS AND IT HAS TO GO BEFORE THE BOARD.

I WOULD PREFER, EXCUSE ME, BEING IN THE POSITION OF SAYING I'M GOING TO BRING THIS TO THE BOARD BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES THAT DO THE BUDGET, CALLS US SORT OF DIFFERENTIATED.

I MEAN, WE'RE ALL IN THE SAME GROUP ON THE ONE HAND, BUT THE MAYOR IS, I HATE TO USE THIS, MY OWN CASE, BUT IT'S SOMEWHAT OF AN EYE AND SHED BECAUSE HE REPRESENTS THE WHOLE STATE IN THAT KIND OF THING.

AND, UH, IT DOES IN A SENSE DILUTE EACH INDIVIDUAL WARD MEMBERS, BUT JUST LIKE YOU AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT A ONE TIME THAT I COME PHYSICALLY FROM THE FIRST WARD AND JULIUS IS FROM THE FIRST WARD AND GOOD APPEAR TO SOMEBODY WHO, YOU KNOW, DIDN'T LIKE IT, THE FIRST WARD WAS GETTING TWO BUGS.

ALL THAT'S NOT THE WAY I DO THINGS.

IT COULD APPEAR THAT WAY.

AND IT COULD FEEL THAT WAY FOR THE MAYOR.

THE PROBLEMS HAVE THE VOTE IS USUALLY DECIDED BY THE TIME IT GETS TO YOU EXCEPT FOR A TIDE OR THE ONE I WAS TRYING TO ASSEMBLE IS 11 LOCKED.

ROB WAS TALKING ABOUT, I JUST, I AGREE WITH HIS THINKING.

THAT'S NOT A SECRETARY, MR. MAYOR.

I'D LIKE TO GO UPHILL AGAINST THE TIME.

I THINK THAT YOU'RE SHOULD YOU, THE MAYOR SHOULD CONSENT, CONTINUE TO HAVE THE, A BOOK READ FOR WHATEVER IT'S WORTH.

UH, MY OPINION.

AND I THINK THAT, UH, SHOWS THE CITY OR WHOEVER IS INTERESTED IN WHAT IS THE, UH, ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS HOW YOU VOTED.

SO THERE'S, NOBODY HAS ANY QUESTION AS TO HOW YOU VOTE AND YOU JUST, BY BEING SILENT, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY.

SO MY SUGGESTION IS LEAVE IT.

WE LEAVE THIS ONE AS IT IS.

WELL, MS. LEE, I FEEL THAT THE MAY I SHOULD VOTE AS WELL.

I THINK THAT IT, UM, GIVES HIM AN OPINION AND A VOICE.

AND I THINK AS THE LEAD, A ELECTED OFFICIAL FOR THE CITY, HE SHOULD TAKE A STAND IN, IN, IN, IN ISSUES THAT COME BEFORE THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN, THE MAYOR OF THE CITY, UM, YOU KNOW,

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IT'S FUNCTION, YOU GET TO SIGN WHATEVER WE VOTE ON.

WE SAY, OKAY, LIKE TONIGHT WE AUTHORIZED THE MAYOR TO SIGN OFF ON VARIOUS APPLICATIONS.

AND OTHER SAID, I THINK THAT HE SHOULD HAVE A SAY IN, IN, IN THE DECISION MAKING IN THE CITY AND THE CITY, THE ONE IN WHICH HE GOVERNS, HE AT LEAST SHOULD HAVE A SAY.

SO ME, HE CAN'T BE TOLD, YOU KNOW, YOU GET THIS BALL OF GAS.

AND I THINK THAT HE SHOULD HAVE THAT RIGHT WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S THREE, THREE.

SO I KNOW WHAT MAX IS POSITIONED.

I'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED IT AT MAX TONIGHT AND I RESPECT HIS POSITION, BUT THIS WON'T BE TOO GOOD TIME FOR HIM TO EXERCISE THAT TYPO.

WAIT A MINUTE, WAIT A MINUTE.

WELL, UH, FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE BEEN, WE HAVE BEEN VIOLATING THIS THIS ORDINANCE FOR YEARS BECAUSE IT SAYS, AND THE ONLY CHANGE IS TO ELIMINATE THE PROPOSED AND THIS RESOLUTION AND THIS PROPOSED RESOLUTION IS THAT THE, UH, MAYOR WALLY VOTE TO BREAK A TIE, BUT FURTHER UP IN IT, IT SAYS THAT AT ITS FIRST MEETING IN THE MONTH OF DECEMBER FOLLOWING A REGULAR MUNICIPAL ELECTION, THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN CHILD CHOOSE ONE OF ITS MEMBERS AS MAYOR PRO TEM PERIOD, WHICH MEANS THE MAYOR PRO TIM IS ELECTED OR SELECTED AT THE SAME TIME, THE BOARD IS SWORN IN AND SERVES FOR THE, FOR ALL FOUR YEARS.

THAT HAS NOT BEEN WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.

I KNOW, I UNDERSTAND.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN DOING IT OTHER THAN WHAT THE CHARTER CALL FOR, TO BEGIN WITH.

WELL, Y'ALL HAD BEEN FIGHTING EVERY YEAR.

YEAH.

SO IT ROTATES, WHICH IS FAIR.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT SHOULD BE WELL WE'LL DEAL WITH.

SO I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE A CHANGE HERE.

I THINK THAT IF WE TOOK THE TIME, LIKE I SUGGESTED AND LOOK AT THE CHARTER AND SEE WHAT IT IS INSTEAD OF JUST PICKING OUT SOMETHING.

AND LIKE I GAVE HIM THAT GIVE HIM THAT, THEN WE WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SEE THE KINDS OF THINGS WE DID IN THE BEGINNING WHEN I CAME AND THEY ELECTED, THEY USED TO SAY THAT THOSE WHO WERE THE SECOND TOP VOTE GETTER WAS THE MAYOR PRO TEM.

THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD SAY, BUT THE CHILD, IS THERE SOMETHING DIFFERENT? AND EACH TIME WE ROTATE, WHICH IS FINE WITH ME, I HAVE NO PROBLEM.

THE SAME WAY.

WHEN THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ROTATE THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER ON IT, IT'S SORT OF LIKE ROTATE THE POWER OR GIVES THEM, EVERYBODY THAT OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE IN THAT CAPACITY.

AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE, NOT POSTED ANY OF IT, I GOT HEARTBURN ABOUT IT.

AND, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THINGS IN THE CHARTER.

IF WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO THE CHARTER AND CHANGE THINGS IN THE CHARTER, AND WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE CHILD AND SEE WHAT IT SAYS, PERIOD WERE CHANGED FOR THE NUMBER OF TIMES SINCE WE'VE BEEN HERE.

UH, BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE A CHANGE.

IF WE WERE TO VOTE TONIGHT, I WOULD VOTE FOR THIS RESOLUTION EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT THE MAYOR PRO TEM THING NEEDS TO BE CHANGED.

THAT CAN BE CHANGED VERY EASILY.

WE CAN DO THAT BECAUSE I HAVE NO, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE, WITH THE RESOLUTION, UH, GIVEN, UH, WITHDRAWING WHEN YOU CHANGE THE EVERYDAY SAMPLE.

WELL, I'LL ADMIT MY MOST FOR THAT CHANGE.

OKAY.

ADDITION TO, WELL, YEAH.

ANYWAY, NOW WHAT, HOW OLD THE RESOLUTION READ NOW AT ITS FIRST MEETING IN THE MONTH OF DECEMBER, DELETE FOLLOWING A REGULAR MUNICIPAL ELECTION, THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN SHALL CHOOSE AS ONE OF ITS MEMBERS THAT MAY APPROACH HIM TO SERVE FOR A TERM OF ONE YEAR.

THE REST OF IT WILL BE THE SAME AS IT IS HERE.

THIS WOULD THEN REQUIRE THAT THE BOARD SELECT MEETING, THIS IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.

IT'S JUST A COLD QUESTION, MR. MAYOR.

ALL RIGHT.

HEY, WE HAD A MOTION.

OKAY, PLEASE.

MA'AM YES, YES, YES, NO, NO.

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I DON'T HAVE TO BREAK A TIE ON THE HOUSE.

YES WELL, I PUT , YOU KNOW, JUST DISCUSS THINGS AND THEY USE THIS SURPRISE.

THE MAYOR VOTES EVERY TIME YOU VOTE EVERY TIME.

YEAH.

PROS AND CONS.

BOTH WAYS.

THIS SITUATION, YOU TAKE THE HEAT, WHETHER YOU ORDER AGAINST YEAH.

THE HEAT.

ANYWAY, DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE LAST THREE TOWNS I'VE LIVED IN.

THE MAYOR DID NOT HAVE THE VOTE EXCEPT FOR BREAK TIMES THE LAST THREE POUNDS.

THEY MAKE ME MOVE A LOT.

THE NEXT THING WE HAVE, THERE IS A CONSENT AGENDA.

I MOVE IT.

WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.

SECOND, I LIKE TO HOLD 12 OR I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS 12, NOT THE POLO APPEARING.

DO WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON 10, 11, OR JUST WAIT FOR YOU TO DISCUSS IT? THE MINDS OF VERY MINOR, UH, AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS RESOLUTION FOR SUPPORT, FOR FUNDING FOR THE LWCF PROGRAM, WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO SEND A COPY OF THIS TO THE U S HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES FOR THE FIRST CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT.

AND WE ALSO HAVE A THIRD CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT IN A CONGRESS PART OF THE CITY OF NEW BERN.

SO I'D LIKE TO INCORPORATE, UH, UH, THAT CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT SO THAT BOTH OF OUR REPRESENTATIVES GET A COPY OF THE LETTER AND MAKE THAT CHANGE SUITS ME.

YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

DO WE WANT TO HEAR A MOTION TO ADOPT THE WHOLE CONSENT AGENDA AND CLEVELAND, THAT CHAIN THEN ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION PLEASE, MAN? YES, YES, YES, YES.

YEAH.

MR. MATT, I DON'T HAVE ANY, SIR.

THAT'S ILLEGAL.

YES, SIR.

NO, SIR.

NO, SIR.

NO, SIR.

NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY, SO THIS LANE, I DON'T HAVE ANY SHIT.

YES.

AND, UH, MY LIFE TO ADD TO THIS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN RESPONSE TO THE TOUR THAT WAS TAKEN LAST WEEK OF THE GREATER DUFFY BUILD AREA, MAYBE TOWN MARSHAL TAXABLE, IF THE OTHER SUBDIVISIONS, UM, FOLLOWING THAT WEEK, UH, MET WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND, UH, LAID OUT A PLAN FOR ADDRESSING THE BOARD'S CONCERNS THAT WERE EXPRESSED DURING THAT MEETING.

UH, SINCE THAT TIME WE'VE IDENTIFIED 29 HOUSES AND SLASH MOBILE, UM, THAT, UH, NEEDED TREATMENT NEAR TERM ABOUT 10 OR SO OF THOSE THAT ARE EMINENT THREATS, UH, TWO OF WHICH WILL BE COMING DOWN TOMORROW.

UH, SO THAT, THAT PROCESS IS GONE.

WE'VE GOTTEN IS, UM, UH, ABOUT 15 UNITS, UH, TO THIS STATE OR THIS 15 BEING IN THE HAZARD MITIGATION AREA, GOING, GOING AHEAD AND LOOKING AT THOSE NEAR TERM, UH, WE HAVE FOUR HOUSES THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING ADMINISTRATIVE SEARCH WARRANTS ON, UH, THEY'RE CURRENTLY CONDEMNED, UH, TO CHECK THE STATUS OF THOSE, UM, A LIST OF LOTS WITH DEBRIS ON THEM NEAR THE RIGHT OF WAY WAS TURNED OVER TO THE PUBLIC WORKS, WHO HAS TAKEN ON LIKE SOME TEMPORARY STAFF TO ASSIST IN THE EFFORT.

AND I THINK MOST OF THAT.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO THAT STUFF THAT WE'RE SEEING CLOSE TO THE RIGHT OF WAY ON THE LOTS HAS PRETTY WELL HAVE BEEN TAKEN CARE OF.

UH, WE HAVE GIVEN A LIST TODAY OF SEVERAL LOTS THAT WE DID LOST OVERGROWN LOSS THAT, UH, CONSIDERED EMINENT THREATS TO PUBLIC WORKS.

AND I THINK TRUE TO THE DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND, UH, THAT WAS HALE, UH, BUILDING, MOVING ALL THOSE QUICKLY.

UH, ALSO, UH, WE MOVED ONE VEHICLE AND CLAIMED A LOT BACK BEHIND THE CONVENIENCE STORE ON SECOND STREET.

REMEMBER HE'S NOT THE PERSON, UH, THAT HAS TAKEN CARE OF, UH, PRETTY QUICKLY WE WILL BE MOVING SOME AUTOMOBILES THIS FRIDAY

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THAT ARE CONSIDERED IMMINENT THREATS.

THERE ARE ANOTHER 15 TO 20 THAT ARE NOT IMMINENT THREATS THAT WE'LL NEED TO BE WORKING THROUGH THE REGULAR PROCESS.

MIKE, WOULD YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO START TEARING DOWN TWO HOUSES TOMORROW.

YES, SIR.

TO ADDRESS, COULD YOU JUST SET A TIME AND LET MY FRIEND OLDER WOMAN, BARBARA LEE STRIKE THE FIRST HAMMER BLOW.

SHE'S WORKED SO HARD TO GET SOME OF THAT WORK DONE.

I WOULD LOVE FOR HER TO GO DOWN AND PRY OFF THE FIRST BOARD, IF SHE WOULD LIKE THAT.

WELL, THE CARE PROTOCOL AND THE DUTIES OF THE RESTAURANT ARE TWO PRESSING AND THEN ONE NUISANCE ABATEMENT ISSUE.

THAT'S NOT RELATED REALLY TO THE AREA THAT WE'RE AT, UH, UH, LAST WEEK.

BUT AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING, THERE WAS AN ISSUE ABOUT A MOBILE HOME AND THE ROCKY RUN COMMUNITY, THE DEMOLITION OF THAT, UH, AND THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION ON NOTIFICATION, SO FORTH.

UH, UH, MR. CLARK AND MYSELF MET WITH THE OWNER, ALL THAT LOOKED AT DECISION SITUATION, DISCUSSED HIS PLANS AND WHAT THE CITY CODES ARE.

AND WE REACHED AN AGREEMENT ON THE REMOVAL OF THE MOBILE GIVING.

UH, 60 DAYS HE'LL DO IT HIMSELF.

AND, UH, SO WE'D GO, WE'D RESOLVE THAT.

GOOD.

I THANK YOU.

I, WE HAVE SEEN SOME DEFINITE RESULTS BACK COMMISSIONER SAMPSON AND DUFFY FIELDS SINCE THE OTHER NIGHT, UM, TWO OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND DIDN'T WALK THROUGH IT THE NEXT DAY.

UM, SOME OF THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN CALLING AND, AND OFFERING WHATEVER ASSISTANCE THEY CAN GIVE A VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE FACT THAT I REPRESENT THIS FROM ABUNDANT LIFE CHURCH.

THAT'S RIGHT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF CALLED AND WE'RE GOING TO MEET WITH THEM THAT THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT CAN I DO? WHAT CAN I DO? SO EVERYBODY'S FEELING REALLY GOOD ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY WERE INTERESTED IN MAKING A DIFFERENCE IN DUFFY FIELD.

THERE PROBABLY BE SOME PEOPLE ARE NOT FEELING SO GOOD WHEN THEY GET A BILL KINDS OF THINGS, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE I, I THINK IT'S GOOD IF WE SEND THAT SIGNAL TO THE COMMUNITY THAT WE CARE ABOUT HOW PEOPLE LIVE IN W FIELDS AND THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE VERY, VERY STRICT ABOUT THE KINDS OF THINGS.

I THINK THAT'S REALLY GREAT.

I, I JUST APPRECIATE YOUR ENTHUSIASM.

I WAS TELLING MR. HARTMAN.

I SAID, WOW, I DIDN'T KNOW EVERYBODY WAS GOING TO REALLY GET INVOLVED IN CARE.

LIKE THEY DO.

IT'S REALLY APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR SUPPORT.

THE PEOPLE THAT DEPUTY FIELD APPRECIATES YOU SUPPORT.

MAY I ASK THE QUESTION? ARE WE, HAVE WE LOOKED AT ANY IDEAS ARE ALWAYS THINKING ABOUT IDEAS AS TO HOW WE CAN CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THE STANDARD THAT WE'RE CREATING THIS WEEK, OTHER THAN FINDING PROPERTY OWNERS.

BECAUSE THERE ARE LOTS OF LITERATURE.

I MEAN, THERE, I MEAN, ARE WE THINKING OF OTHER IDEAS THAT WE CAN, WELL, WE HAD AN ANSWER UNTIL YOU SAID THE OTHER THAN THERE IS WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO WHAT THE LAW ALLOWS US TO DO.

AND THAT MEANS THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS, BOTH THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE AND THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T LIVE THERE, BUT ON PROPERTY, THERE ARE GOING TO BE HELD, GOING, HAVE TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE EXPENSE OF CLEANING UP THOSE PROPERTIES THAT ARE, UH, NOT SATISFACTORY TO THE CITY CODE.

AND SO WE'RE GOING TO PURSUE THAT IF WE'RE CONSISTENT ABOUT IT AND THEY UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, THEN WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT PROBLEM BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO FIX IT.

THE READING, READING THE ASS, BECAUSE THE SECOND DAY AFTER I WENT DOWN FIRST AVENUE, THERE WERE FOUR BOTTLES OF THROWN BACK ON THE SAME LINE THAT YOU CLEANED OFF THE FIRST, LET ME, LET ME ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THAT.

THEN WE BRING UP A QUESTION ON THAT BUS RIDE, UH, OR AT LEAST THE POSSIBILITY OF SUPPOSE THAT SOMEBODY IS WALKING ALONG WITH SOME TRASH.

AND DO WE HAVE ANY PLACE FROM THE CELL RECEPTACLE TO PUT THE TRASH IN FIRST OFF, IN OTHER WORDS, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T, I'M NOT GONNA SAY YOU CAN'T BLAME ANYBODY.

OF COURSE YOU BLAME SOMEBODY, BUT , IT'S A MUCH LARGER SIN TO HAVE A TRASH RECEPTACLE LAYER AND THEN THROW IT ON THE GROUND AS OPPOSED TO NOT HAVING ANYTHING AT ALL THE WAY TO THROW IT IN AND THROW IT RIGHT ON.

WELL, I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST IS THAT WE MAKE SURE IF WE CAN, AND IF WE SHOULD DO IT LEGALLY, PUT SOME SORT OF A CORNER, TRASH CANS FANS OR WHATEVER THERE.

AND ALSO I ASKED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY, IF IT COULD BE POSSIBLE TO PUT UP A SIGN, MAYBE ON EVERY BLOCK AND JUST LAY SOMETHING ABOUT HELP, KEEP THE NEIGHBORHOOD CLEAN OR WHATEVER.

AND YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THAT CAUSES AN INDIVIDUAL, A YOUNG KID OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, TO THINK, HEY, WAIT A MINUTE.

OKAY,

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WELL, HERE'S A TRASH, CAN I THROW IT IN? I MEAN, AT LEAST THAT'LL BE A LITTLE SOMETHING POSITIVE ON OUR PART TO GIVE, GIVE SOMEBODY OPTIONAL WHILE YOU'RE DOING IT.

INSTEAD OF WE WILL EXPLORE ALL THOSE OPTIONS AT THE STAFF MEETING AND WE HAVE IT AND THE BIBLE THAT SAYS THAT ALL THINGS ARE LAWFUL, BUT NOT ALL THINGS ARE EXPEDIENT.

SO YOU HAVE TO I APPRECIATE .

WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO BE CONSISTENT.

CITY-WIDE IN THIS NEW THING THAT WE'RE DOING YOUR SON WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO BE CONSISTENT IN OUR APPLICATION OF THE LAW.

AND NO MATTER WHAT THAT IS, WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION JUST EXACTLY WHAT YOU BRING IT UP AT.

WHEN WE ENFORCED THESE THINGS, WE HAVE TO ENFORCE IT FAIRLY, EVEN IN EVERYWHERE.

I'M SURE YOU DON'T.

NOBODY ELSE NO, NO.

DON'T YOU WORRY ABOUT THAT.

WE ARE HOPING THAT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO DO AS A MASS HAS SUGGESTED AS FAR AS INVOLVING THE COMMUNITY AND HELPING US TO KEEP THIS EFFORT GOING ON TO SET UP A COMMUNITY MEETING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO THE PEOPLE CAN COME OUT AND MAKE SUGGESTIONS AS TO HOW THEY CAN KEEP THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SHOW A BARRETT ACTIVE INTEREST IN AND KEEPING IT CLEAN.

AND WE'LL BE GLAD TO SEND STAFF TO THAT MEETING ANY THAT YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE THERE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.

YOU KNOW, WHAT WE ALL DO IS TO EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, TAKE THAT SAME BUS AND TAKE IT LEAST, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY POLES, BUT AT LEAST ONE OR MORE REPRESENTATIVES FROM SOMEBODY WHO'S NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS.

AND WE JUST TAKE THAT THING AND RIDE THROUGH ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO EACH ONE CAN SEE THE OTHER ONE'S NEIGHBORHOOD, THEN HOW WELL IT'S DONE AND THIS AND THAT, I THINK A LITTLE, UH, COMPETITION.

AND I WOULD HELP BRING EVERYBODY UP MYSELF.

WELL, WE NEED IS MORE DAYLIGHT SO WE CAN SEE ANYBODY ELSE LET'S DO.

I CAN'T REMEMBER.

MAY I HAVE ONE? THIS LADY SAID DAN, THAT WOULD BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION.

DID YOU PASS? YES.

YES, YES.

UH, ORDINANCE A RESOLUTION.

THAT'S NOT PUTTING NO POCKET THAT WE DISCUSSED LAST WEEK FOR WORK SESSION.

YEAH.

BLONDIE WEATHER THAN WAS THAT THE WORK SESSION MIGHT'VE MENTIONED ABOUT EXTENDING THE NO PARKING ZONE DOWN FURTHER IN FRONT OF HIS BUSINESS.

IT ONLY AFFECTS HIS PROPERTY.

HE OWNS ALL THE PROPERTY BETWEEN THE ALLEYWAY WHERE THIS BEGINS AND BRIAN STREET ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET AND HE'S REQUESTING IT.

AND BESIDES THE NO PARKING, UH, WE'VE LOOKED IT, UH, WE HAVE THE PROBLEM ON THE FOREHAND AND, UH, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT CHIEF THERE'S NO PROBLEM.

DIDN'T PARTICULARLY SPEAK TO HIM CAUSE HE GOT DOWN RIGHT NOW.

BUT, UH, I'M SURE THERE'LL BE NO PROBLEM IN IT THEN IN THE DROP DOWN WITH REQUEST THE MOST WITHOUT RESOLUTION OR OKAY.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

YES, YES, YES, YES, YES.

AND MISS VICKY, I BELIEVE YOU ARE COMING DOWN, WHATEVER IT IS, BUT YOU STAY ALL HERE AND ASK.

GOOD, TOUGH TRUTH.

ANYTHING ELSE?

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ALRIGHT.

ALL IN FAVOR.

SAY AYE.