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BLASTED OFF, WE'LL OPEN THE MEETING AND OPEN BY HAVING A PRAYER ABOUT ELDER DARYL THOMAS.
IF HE'S HERE, IS HE HERE? NOT MUST HAVE SAMSON.
CAN YOU DO THE DUTY AS FAR AS OH FATHER GOD, WE COME BEFORE THIS FALL, WE HAVE A SPECIAL BLESSING ON THIS BEAT TONIGHT FISHER, AS THE BLESSED AFTER THAT WAS THE BEST THOUGH.
WHERE'S THE FATHER HELP US THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO WORK TOGETHER.
FATHER IN YOUR WORD WOULD BE REALIZED THAT WE ALL NEED YOU.
BUT WHENEVER I SAW, THE WAY I LEFT THERE IS YOU'RE TOLD YOU'RE A MINISTER TO FEED THE SHEEP, FOLLOW THE BIBLICAL FALLS.
YOU BLESSING US FOLLOWING YOUR TIP OUT BEST IN THE PAST ON SOMEONE PROBABLY ASKING THE DUMB GUY THAT DIRECT HOW ALL OF US IN THE WAY THAT THEY SHOULD GO TONIGHT.
AND BEFORE YOU CALLED, I'D LIKE TO ANNOUNCE THAT WE HAVE OUR COMPATRIOT MR. MCDOWELL BACK TONIGHT.
SO BEFORE HE SURPRISED EVERYBODY BY SAYING HERE, SO I'D LIKE TO EVERYBODY GIVE YOU A HAND FOR OH, WELL I HAD A SMALL HEART.
YOUR OKAY, I'M GOING TO DOUBT YOU.
DID YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS, MR. MCKNIGHT? FIRST THING WE HAVE IN MIND IS THE REQUEST AND PETITIONS OF CITIZENS AND UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE HERE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE OF THE HOMELESS SHELTER, RCS AND HOMELESS SHELTER.
AND I'D LIKE TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS NOT EVEN BEEN SENT YET.
YOU CAN SAY WHAT YOU WANT, BUT, UH, IF I WERE YOU, I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T EXPOSE BOTH SIDES OF MY ARGUMENT YET.
AND JUST IN THE CANVAS FOR THE SENSE OF DEBATE, BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, IT GIVES THE OTHER SIDE, THE OPPORTUNITY TO PREPARE WITH BOTTLE FOR THE NEXT, FOR THE REAL HEARING.
SO, I MEAN, THAT'S UP TO YOU, BUT IF Y'ALL WANT TO SAY SOME THINGS I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO KEEP IT AS SHORT AS YOU COULD, IF YOU CAN SIMPLY, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT WE'LL HAVE TO DECIDE THE ISSUE.
BEFORE ANYONE WOULD COME UP, IF THEY'RE HERE TO DISCUSS THE HOMELESS SHELTER, ALDERMAN, ULTIMATELY, AND MYSELF JUST CAME OUT OF A MEETING WITH, UM, MR. COLBY FROM RCS, ALSO WITH REPRESENTATIVES FROM RIVERSIDE COMMUNITY, ALSO WITH REPRESENTATIVE FROM HISTORICAL DOWNTOWN DISTRICT AND ALSO, UH, BISHOP JACKSON.
AND DURING THAT MEETING, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ASKED AND THERE WAS SOME ANSWERS GIVEN.
AND, UH, RIGHT NOW, LIKE YOU SAID EARLIER, THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE COMING UP SOON FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.
UH, MIKE CAN GIVE THOSE PEOPLE THAT DATE FOR THE PLANNING ZONING BOARD HERE, MIKE.
IT'S A DECENT AS A QC NINE, SEVEN BURDEN IN THIS ROOM OR OKAY.
AND DOING IT MEETING MARY I'LL SHARE WITH THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS, UM, MR. COLBY GAVE US SOME ANSWERS OF SOME THINGS THAT WERE PLAYING AND HE LAID SOME UNTRUTHS.
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SOME THINGS THAT WEREN'T TRUE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAD THOUGHT THEY WERE TRUE ABOUT HIM HAVING SOME TYPE OF NEW HOMES AND SOME LARGER FACILITIES.AND RIGHT THERE, THE PLAN IS TO HAVE A 3000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING TO HOUSE NO MORE THAN 20 RESIDENTS AT A TED.
UM, AND THAT'S WHERE WE ALL WERE THAT FOR IT TO BE ZONE HAS GONE BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.
AND THEN IT HAD COME BEFORE THIS BOARD, BUT TONIGHT THERE IS NO ACTION BEING TAKEN BY THIS BOARD.
AND I CAN SAY, WE JUST CAME OUT OF THE MEETING, DISCUSSING IT.
THE LINES OF COMMUNICATION ARE OPEN TO REPRESENTATIVES FROM RIVERSIDE HISTORICAL PRESERVATION GROUP.
UH, ALSO, UH, BISHOP JACKSON, ALL OF THEM HAVE AGREED THAT ANYTIME THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. COLBY, THAT THEY WERE ASKED HIM SO THAT ANYTHING THAT IT NEEDED TO KNOW BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING, THEY WILL KNOW.
AND SO AT THAT TIME, THAT'S WHEN YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME BEFORE THE PLANE IS ON THE BOARD TO ARGUE WHETHER TO HAVE IT OR NOT TO HAVE IT.
AND THEN BEFORE US, AND THEN AFTER THAT, BEFORE THEY COME, BEFORE THEY GO TO COME ABOARD TWICE, TWICE.
THAT'D BE TWICE TO BE THREE TIMES.
BUT, UH, RIGHT NOW, UH, I THINK EVERYONE IN THAT MEETING CAME OUT WITH AN IDEA THAT IT WOULD WAIT TO PUT A PUBLIC HEARING DURING THE PLANES ON MY RIGHT ARM.
Y'ALL AGREEABLE TO THAT AGREEABLE THAT THE NEXT TWO HEARINGS IS ENOUGH.
I MEAN, IF SOMEBODY GOT IT, CAN'T CAIN HOLD IT THAT LONG.
WELL, GO AHEAD AND HAVE AT IT.
WE DON'T WANT YOU TO FEEL LIKE YOU DIDN'T GET AN OPPORTUNITY.
SO MAYBE TWO AND A HALF TIMES AS MUCH.
UM, I APPRECIATE YOU LETTING ME SPEAK.
MY NAME IS MR KNOW, MATERIALLY MICHELLE, A NUMBER OF PEOPLE COME WITH ME NINE TO SHOW THEIR SUPPORT.
AND I WANT THIS BOARD TO UNDERSTAND ONE THING.
UM, WE HAVE A MISSION STATEMENT AND THAT MISSION IS TO SERVE ALL MEN WHO THEY ARE, WHERE ARE THEY FROM WHAT THEY DID.
UM, WE ARE HOPING THAT YES, WE CAN ALL COME TO A CONCLUSION AND MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY.
IS THAT ALSO WANT TO REMIND THIS BOARD AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SITTING HERE THAT WE BECAME AN ALL AMERICAN CITY.
AND ONE OF THE REASONS WE BECAME THAT IS BECAUSE OF WHAT RCS HAS DONE IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE FORGOT.
I THINK THAT, UM, THIS COMMITTED AS WELL AS RIVERSIDE, UM, JACKSON, I THINK EVERYONE NEEDS TO FOCUS ON THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE BUILDING A STRONG COMMUNITY AND A BETTER COMMUNITY.
WE'RE NOT JUST SERVING THROWAWAYS AND ADDICTS AND ALCOHOLICS, THIS TYPE OF THING IN THE LENGTH OF TIME THAT OUR SHELTER HAS BEEN HERE.
A NEWBIE WE'VE HAD NO INCIDENTS.
YOU DO NOT SEE ROCKS LAYING ON THE STREET.
YOU DON'T SEE ADDICTS ON THE STREET.
YOU DON'T SEE DRONES, PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT THERE, THEY WORK AND THEY PAID WILL SADDLES.
AND THERE WAS A TIME WHEN THEY DIDN'T HAVE A JOB TIME.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE A PLACE TO GO.
THERE WAS A TIME WHEN THEIR FAMILIES DIDN'T WANT THEM.
AND RCS IS WHAT PICKED THEM UP.
THE SHELTER IS WHAT PICKED HIM UP.
NOW, THERE ARE SOME IN THIS TOWN, THEY WANT TO ADMIT THAT THEIR CHILDREN ARE ALCOHOLICS AND ADDICTS.
BUT LET ME TELL YOU, I PICK THEM UP THAT STREET TO I'VE GONE OUT THERE WHEN NOBODY ELSE GOES.
AND I THINK OF OUT, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ONE PLASTIC PEOPLE.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT WHAT COLOR WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT AN ECONOMIC GROUP OF ME.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EVERY DAY, PE.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOURSELF AND YOU DISCUSS THINGS, YOU NEED TO REALIZE THAT WE OUT HERE NEED TO DISCUSS THINGS TO, AND THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING IS THE RIGHT HABIT PLACE FOR PEOPLE WHO NEED A PLACE TO GO.
WHEN SOMEONE DOES GET LOCKED UP, WHEN THEY DO GO TO JAIL IN OUR COURTS, THEN ON THERE, THEY GET OUT, THEY HAVE START OVER AGAIN.
WE TRY TO GET THEM BACK THE FAMILY.
AND THIS IS WHAT'S WHAT LIFE IS ABOUT.
I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE WAY THE SHELTER GOING TO LOOK ON THE OUTSIDE.
WHEN YOU, WHEN DOES IT BUILD IN THE DOOR IS THE POINT IS THAT SHELTER NEEDS TO BE, BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T PUT UP A SHELL, WERE THESE PEOPLE GOING TO BE ON YOUR DOORSTEP, SNAPPED AND YOUR WIFE AND POCKETBOOK SELLING YOUR CHILDREN CRACK
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AND COCAINE.AND I MAY LOOK CLEAN TONIGHT, BUT I CAN GET DOWN WITH THE BEST STUFF.
AND I'M GOING TO DO WHAT I HAVE TO DO WHEN I HAVE TO DO IT.
NOW Y'ALL CAN ARGUE OVER THE BUILDING AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE.
BUT THAT BUILDING NEEDS TO BE WHERE IT IS ACCESSIBLE TO EVERY WALK OF LIFE, TO WHERE WE CAN GET THESE PEOPLE TO JOBS, WHETHER THEY HAVE TRANSPORTATION OR NOT.
AND I INVITE YOU AS WELL IS MY PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT TO COME ON DOWN TO THE SHELL, COME ON DOWN TO THE PHOENIX HOUSE.
YOU CAN LEAVE YOUR CAR DOOR UNLOCK.
CAN YOU DO THAT? YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD? I DO ALL THE TIME.
I LEAVE MY IN THE CAR AND THESE VERY SAME PEOPLE TO SIT HERE, LOOKING AT YOU.
AND THAT I WOULD LEAVE MY PURSE.
WE WILL NOT THINK TWICE ABOUT BECAUSE WHEN I GO BACK, IT'S GOING TO BE DEEP.
BUT THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN SERVED AND ARE NOW SERVING YOU.
THEY ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE PICKED UP THE PIECES OF THEIR LIVES.
HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE RELOCATE? HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE GOTTEN OUT OF THE MILITARY AND MADE NEWBURN YOUR HOME? I TALKED WITH BISHOP JACKSON.
I WAS SHOCKED AND CALLED SOME OF THE THINGS HE HAD TO SAY, BUT JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY COMES TO NUMEROUS FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE, DON'T MEAN THIS CAN'T BE THEIR HOME.
AND IT DON'T MEAN THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE STANDING IN THE POLLS, KAMPALA TOWN AM I BROUGHT.
SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO BE AT ALL YOUR MEETINGS AND WE'RE GOING TO BE THERE IN FORCE.
THIS IS NOTHING COMPARED WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE.
AND THEY ALL HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY AND THEY ARE ENTITLED TO SAY IT.
AND I'M GOING TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY.
BUT AS A PERSON IN THIS COMMUNITY, I KNOW THE SHELTERS NEED.
MOST OF YOU LIVE VERY COMFORTABLE LIVES.
YOU CALL EVERY TWO OR THREE YEARS.
YOU DON'T WORRY ABOUT WHERE YOUR MONEY'S COMING FROM.
YOU DON'T WORRY ABOUT WHEN YOUR NEXT MEAL IS COMING FROM, BUT WHEN YOU GOING TO LET YOUR HEAD, WELL, WE GOT PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT DID, AND MY GOD TELLS ME, DID I SERVE ANYBODY? AND EVERYBODY, BECAUSE WHEN WE START ARGUING OVER A SHELTER AND WHERE SHE'S GOING TO BE PUT, AND WHO'S GOING TO BE IN THERE, THEN WE'VE GOT TO START EXAMINING OURSELVES.
BECAUSE MY GUY TELLS ME ALL PEOPLE ARE EQUAL.
MY GOD TELLS ME, WE GO OUT HERE AND WE SERVE PEOPLE.
I THINK OUR ODDS, A BIT OF THE NEWS MENTAL HEALTH CENTER AND SOCIAL SERVICES GOES OUT.
PEOPLE GET BACK ON THEIR FEET, BUT YOU GO NO ON YOU THE NIGHT.
AND I INVITE YOU TO COME TO WHERE I WORKED AND I WORKED SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, 24 HOURS DOWN.
I'LL CALL ANYBODY ON THE CRISIS.
I GO AND NOT ONE NINE PAYS MY SALARY IN GENERAL.
NOT ONE THAT, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
AND I KNOW THAT RIVERSIDE'S CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THE SHELTER IS GOING TO BE AND UNDERSTAND IT.
BUT I THINK SOMEONE YOU NEED TO GO DOWN THERE AND LOOK AT THE RAILROAD TRACK AND LOOK AT THE HOUSES DOWN THERE AND LOOK AT THE CRACK HOUSES AND THE COCAINE HOUSES, THE LIQUOR HOUSES DOWN THERE.
THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED TO GO LOOK AT.
HOW MANY OF YOU HERE KNOW WHERE THE SHELTER IS? SHELTER IS RIGHT NOW, THE PRESENT IT'S RIGHT ACROSS FROM MY OFFICE.
YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, TO WORK AT THE SHELL TO DO IT.
HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU SEE ME DOWN AT COURTHOUSE? TRYING TO GET SOMEBODY STRAIGHTENED UP AND ON THEIR FEET REGULAR, BUT I CAN SAY, UH, IN YOUR BEHALF, I HAVE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH SHELTER.
I'VE NEVER SEEN ANY, UM, BODY HANGING AROUND.
IT'S ALWAYS SEEMED TO BE, YOU KNOW, WELL-MAINTAINED AND A LOT OF ORDER, I SEE THE POLICE DROP PEOPLE BACK AND FORTH TO THE SHELTER, BUT IT SEEMS TO BE RUN VERY WELL.
I'VE NEVER HAD ANY PROBLEM WITH THE SHELTER.
AND WAS THAT WATCH COME DOWN VISITS, COME AND TALK TO OUR CAUSE OUR PEOPLE, YOUR PEOPLE, AND MY PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING AWAY.
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I GOT A THOUSAND NAMES RIGHT HERE AND YOU GO GET SOME MORE, I PREVIOUSLY STATEMENTS.I'VE HAD AN ADDICTION PROBLEM OVER YEARS, COURSE OF YEARS.
NO CHURCH COULD HELP ME AT THE TIME.
I MET THIS LADY AND SHE DID A LOT FOR ME.
SHE SHOWED ME A LIFE CHANGE AND ALL THE CHURCHES I WENT THROUGH TRYING TO GET STRAIGHT.
I NEVER COULD, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW.
MAYBE IT'S THAT BELIEF THAT I WASN'T BELIEVING.
SHE TOOK THE TIME TO ME TO SEND IT DOWN AND TALK TO ME.
YOU WANT TO GET STRAIGHT? AND I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD GET HELP FROM THE SHELTER, BUT I DID.
AND I STAYED THERE ABOUT TWO OR THREE MONTHS OFF AND ON, AND NOW I'M WORKING HARD.
I KNOW COUPLE PEOPLE UP THERE AND YOU KNOW,
WELL, I LIKE TO SAY THAT, HEY, WE NEED A SHELTER.
YOU KNOW, THEY HELP, ESPECIALLY WHEN TO HELP THEMSELVES.
YOU KNOW, YOU GOT A LOT OF THEM DON'T WANT TO HELP THEMSELVES AND THINGS GOING ON NOW, BASICALLY AROUND THAT PHOENIX HOUSING AREA, IT'S ALL ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT COMING FROM PHOENIX HOUSE, PORSCHE PEOPLE IN THE SHELTER, THEY'RE DOING FINE.
AND THEY'RE DOING WHAT THEY SUPPOSED TO DO.
NO, YOU GOT TO MAKE ME
SO I THINK REALLY I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS HAVING TO ARGUE THAT THE SHELTER IS NOT NEEDED.
AT LEAST I'VE NEVER HEARD ANYBODY SAY THAT.
I THINK NOW THE ARGUMENT HAS BEEN WHERE THE SHELTER SHOULD BE.
SO I HOPE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT TRULY.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S A SOUL LIVING THAT I KNOW OF THAT, THAT AN AGGRIEVED SHELTER IS A GOOD THING AND THEY USED TO BE A SHELTER.
SO ANYWAY, YOU GOT TWO HEARINGS AND EVERYBODY CAN GET UP AND HOPEFULLY, UH, YOU KNOW, DISCUSS THAT ABOUT WHERE IT SHOULD BE OR WHERE IT CAN BE OR POSSIBLY BE OR WHATEVER.
SO IS ANYBODY ELSE HERE ON ANOTHER SUBJECT, IN THE PETITIONS OF CITIZENS AND REQUEST TONIGHT, YOU HAVE IT IN THE SHELTER OTHER THAN THE JAIL.
I MEAN, THE SHELTER AGAIN IS, IS TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS CONCERNING THAT COMING UP.
THE NEXT THING ON IT, I SEE ONE OF MY OLD PLASMIC, RICK FISHER, MR. FISHER, DID YOU HAVE AN ISSUE? OKAY.
BUT I WAS HERE, I GUESS, KIND OF A SHELTER, BUT WHEN I WAS HERE TO TELL YOU, IS THAT IT'S YOUR OBJECTIONS CHURCH ANYWHERE AT CRAVEN COUNTY? UM, THE SHOWS THAT SHIRT SERVES, THE CLIENTS THAT ALSO SERVES, WHICH IS HIV AIDS POPULATION COUNT ON THE MIRACLE PERSON.
AND, UM, I'M HERE TO SAY THAT THE SHELTER WHO WILL BE, THEY STARTED A LOT OF OUR CLIENTS NOW SINCE THE PHOENIX HOUSE RCS, AND THEY DO GREAT WORK.
IF THERE'S ANYBODY HERE, THAT'S WORRIED ABOUT SOMEONE YOUR AGE, IF YOU HAVE YOUR COMMUNITY, YOUR CHURCH, YOUR HOOP, ONE OF THE POINTS IN HERE THAT YOU WANT ME TO BE TO ADDRESS THAT
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WELL, THE NEXT THING THEN WILL BE, UH, TO CONSIDER A REQUEST TO PURCHASE CITY OWNED PROPERTY.WHO'S ON A DRESS AT MC ADDRESS TO ADDRESS
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IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CASE AGAINST, CAN YOU GO AHEAD WITH THAT MAN, ITEM NUMBER FOUR, MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UM, ITEM NUMBER FOUR, REPRESENTS A REQUEST, UH, TO PURCHASE A SMALL PARCEL OF PROPERTY.
THAT'S LOCATED DOWN IN THE PEMBRO COMMUNITY.
THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE LIFT STATION THAT WE HAVE DOWN THERE.
WE CIRCULATED THIS, UH, FOR COMMENTS AMONG THE STAFF.
THERE ARE SOME THAT WE NEED TO HOLD SOME EASEMENTS.
AND I THINK THERE WAS A AT $500 CHARGE THAT, UH, RECOMMENDED THAT WOULD HELP US TO BETTER SERVE THAT LIFT STATION WITHOUT HAVING TO USE THAT A LOT.
AND, UH, IF, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL FROM THE STAFF, THERE'S NO OBJECTION STAFF-WISE FROM, UH, OFFERING THAT PROPERTY FOR SALE.
UH, BUT IT WOULD BE YOUR DECISION FROM HERE.
WHAT ARE THE DIMENSIONS OF THIS LIE? I CAN'T TELL FROM THIS MAP, IT IS A LARGE LOT 50 BY A HUNDRED DOORS.
IT IS A, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DIMENSIONS.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN A HUNDRED BY 50.
IT'S, UH, JUST A SMALL PARCEL OF PROPERTY, BUT I THINK THESE PEOPLE WANT IT TO GO ALONG WITH AN ADJACENT PIECE OF PROPERTY TO MAKE IT LARGER.
OH, IS THAT THE ONE THAT HAS 73 FEET ON? YEAH.
SO ESTABLISH A COMFORTABLE WITH IT RIGHT AWAY THAT WE'RE LEAVING OURSELVES.
AS LONG AS THAT'D BE ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS OF SELLING IT, THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO BE LEFT, APPROPRIATE EASEMENTS AND THAT, UH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY AN ADDITIONAL $500 TO DO THE NECESSARY RELOCATION THAT WE FELT LIKE WE'D NEED TO DO TO YOU SAY RELOCATE LINES.
WE COULD RELOCATE, IT COST AN EXTRA $500.
WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND RELOCATE IT.
BUT WE WANT TO MAINTAIN THE AGE, SAY SOMEBODY OUT, BEAT THEM.
THEN THAT WOULD BE, IT WOULD ALL THE STIPULATIONS WOULD STILL GO, BUT SOMEBODY WOULD JUST OUTBID THEM THAT ONCE YOU PUT IT FOR SALE, WE TAKE THE HIGHEST BID.
SO WHOEVER BIDS ON THE PROPERTY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY THAT EXTRA 500.
1300, 1300 PLUS THE EASEMENTS.
HAS IT BEEN A PRAISE BY ANY CHANCE? I MOVED, WE PUT THE PROPERTY UP FOR SALE.
IS THAT THE APPROPRIATE EMOTION AND NOT FULL WHEN IT COULD BE HANDLED IN ONE OF SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS IT CAN BE HANDLED.
AND I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT IT'D BE HANDLED BY.
SO MOVE ALONG WITH THE APPROPRIATE, UH, CONDITIONS, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.
DO WE NEED A ROLL CALL ON ME? I DON'T THINK EMOTION IS FINE.
THE NEXT THING IS THE CONSENT AGENDA AND FIVE AND EIGHT HAD BEEN A POTABLE.
I MOVE TO APPROVE THE REMAINING ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
WE HAVE A SECOND QUESTION THAT I'D ASKED AND I'M BRINGING UP.
UNDER CONSIDERED AGENDA, THE SEVEN AND EIGHT, WHATEVER ARE THESE ITEMS ALREADY BUDGETED? I HAVE TO LOOK UP.
UH, YES, THEY, THEY ARE BUDGETED ITEMS. SO
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I THINK THAT, UH, ALDERMAN PENDLETON ASKED TO PULL FIVE AND EIGHT, BUT YOU'LL JUST DISCUSS THAT.HE PUT EVERYTHING EVERYTHING'S WITHIN BUDGET FIVE AND EIGHT.
I BUTTON TO DEAL WITH EIGHT FIRST.
I'M TRYING TO WAIT FOR MR. HAWKINS.
IS THAT HIS NAME? I WAS TRYING TO WAIT FOR HIM TO GET IT BACK.
CAUSE WE GOT TO DISCUSS ON THAT NUMBER.
HEY LET'S LET'S LET'S LET'S LET'S APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OF THE CONSENT AGENDA? MINUS FIVE AND EIGHT.
THEY WANT TO DISCUSS NUMBER FIVE AND YOUR MOTHER.
I CAN'T WAIT FOR MR. WILSON TO GET BACK.
HE'LL BE BACK JUST A MINUTE AGO.
CONCERNS HIS NUMBER? YES, SIR.
HOW MANY CARS DID WE ADDITIONALLY BUDGET FOR? SO YOU ADD TWO, ACTUALLY THREE EVERY DAY.
IT WOULD ADD, IT WOULD GO FROM 14 TO 17.
IF YOU APPROVED THIS, A COST FIVE WERE UNDER THE GRANT AND THE BID ALLOWS THE PURCHASE OF AN ADDITIONAL THREE CARS WITHIN THE, UH, ONE IS, UH,
NO ONE BIT LAST YEAR, BUT THE BIG CARS, LIGHTENING POWELL AND LTD, OR AT LEAST INBOUND MICHELLE
WE'VE GOT THE CARS ON THE PURCHASE AND LAST TWO YEARS, HOW MANY CARS DO WE NEED TO MAKE THIS EFFORT FOR A WEEK AND GET INTO A ROTATION AGAIN? UM,
THAT'S ACCORDING TO THE PAST TWO YEARS LOOKING AT THEY WENT TO THE MARK POLICE PACKAGE, WENT UP ABOUT 13% A YEAR, PROBABLY THAT MUCH AND I'M THE ONE THAT PULLED IT.
SO LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT.
AND NUMBER EIGHT, DO YOU PURCHASE THESE VEHICLES? SECOND LEASE DEPARTMENT.
ANY DISCUSSION OF THAT CALL ROAD PLEASE? YES.
UH, MR. WILSON, AND EVERYBODY'S HERE MR. MS. WILSON, AND I GUESS THEY CAME TO THE CITY PETITION FOR ANNEXATION BECAUSE THEY WANT TO MIRROR THE BUILDING.
THEY'VE GOT AN EXISTING BUILDING.
THEY'VE GOT TO ADD A SECOND PHASE ON DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PROPERTY.
WHEN I, WHEN HE WENT TO TALKING ABOUT ADDING THIS ON, THEY WERE INFORMED THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE CONSIDERABLE CONSIDERABLY MORE WORK DONE ON THE OUTSIDE OF IT.
AND ONCE YOU HAVE IN YOUR EXISTING BUILDINGS, IS THAT TO THE TUNE OF AROUND $6,000,
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JUST FOR SIDING OF SOMETHING.SO, AND UH, WITH MR. WILSON, TALKING TO ME, HE'S TOLD ME THAT THAT HAS COMPLETELY CHANGED EVERYTHING THAT HE HAD CONSIDERED ABOUT COMING IN AND BRINGING THESE PIECES OF PROPERTY INTO THE CITY COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, BECAUSE, UH, THAT ADDED EXPENSE ALONG WITH TAXES, DIDN'T FIT INTO HIS BUDGET.
AND HE'S APPROACHED ME, ASKING ME ABOUT IF, FOR SOME WAY THAT WE CAN WORK AT TRYING TO AMEND THIS POLICY, THAT HIS TYPE OF BUILDING, WHICH IS A PERFECTLY LOVELY BUILDING AND LENS.
DO YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF IT HERE? HE'S TRYING TO GET THAT BUILDING BUILT.
AND ON THE SIDE HERE AND WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE, AND ON THE BACK SIDE, I'VE GOT THE FRONT 25 FEET DOWN
WOULD YOU SHOW IT TO THOSE FOLKS SAY, HEY, MY WIFE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY THAT I RECOGNIZE THAT
SO WHAT IS, EXPLAIN, EXPLAIN THE RATIONALE BEHIND THIS.
I MEAN, THIS THING'S GONE BRICK ON THAT NAIL.
AND I CAN'T FIND IT IN THE BOOK TO GET UP CLOSE TO FINISH.
I LOOKED AT THE SIDE OF IT MAN HOURS IS I NODDED THAT DEPARTMENT ASLEEP NOW LOOKING AT THE PICTURE.
YEAH, NO, SHE'LL TELL THEM, LET ME ASK YOU THIS.
HOW CAN YOU TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN METAL AND VINE OUT? I HAD A 10 FEET OR WHATEVER IT IS PAINTED THE WATER, VERY EASY, VERY EASY TEXTURES.
AND SO BORDER BETWEEN THE TWO AND, UH, THE 10 FOOT TEST CONSTRUCTION-RELATED WORKS IN RESPONSE TO YOUR QUESTION.
THE BUILDING IS LOCATED IN ONE OF THE CITY'S FIVE ENTRANCE WAY CORES.
THESE ARE THE QUARTERS OF THE CITY WHERE WE HAVE STANDARDS ABOVE AND BEYOND STANDARD ZONING AS TO THE AESTHETICS, THE APPEARANCE OF STRUCTURES CONSTRUCTED IN THOSE CORES.
WE HAD EXTENSIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH MEMBERS OF THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY ON THE STANDARDS, AS YOU WILL RECALL.
UM, THE, UH, WE HAD ABOUT SIX MONTHS OF MEETINGS.
I MEAN EVERY WEEK WALKS FOR ABOUT THREE HOURS A DAY, UH, WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY ON THERE.
AND THERE WAS CONSENSUS OF THE GROUP, UH, THAT THEY WANTED AND AGREED WITH THE IDEA OF THE QUARTER'S HAVING A HIGHER STANDARD THAN OTHER PLACES IN TOWN THAT CAUSED THESE, CREATE THE IMAGE THAT RESIDENTS AND TRAVELERS HAVE ON OUR COMMUNITY, UH, IN LOOKING AT THE MATERIALS, UM, THAT THAT COULD BE, UM, STAFF, UH, WAS THAT THE POSITION AT THE TIME THAT, UM, THERE IS METAL, THERE ARE METAL BUILDINGS AND THERE ARE METAL BUILDINGS.
UM, SOME USE A MUCH HIGHER GRADE, UH, MORE ARCHITECTURALLY, UH, UH, ATTRACTIVE CORRUGATED METAL.
THEN THE STANDARD FOUR 80 GROOVES
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THAT YOU SEE ON THE LESS EXPENSIVE BUILDINGS THAT ARE CONSTRUCTED IN COMMUNITY.UM, IT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION, UH, AND, UH, STRONGLY STATED BY THE THEN CHAIRMAN OF THE GROUP, TOM, KAREN, THAT, UM, WE SHOULD NOT ALLOW ANY METAL BUILDINGS ON US, FACADES THAT ARE VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT WAY.
UH, THEY DEVELOP, YOU DID NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE RECOMMENDING THAT LATITUDE BE GIVEN TO STAY ON AS FAR AS JUDGING THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF METAL SIDING THAT ARE AVAILABLE.
UH, AND, UM, SO IN THE NEGOTIATIONS, WHAT CAME OUT IN THE END OR CERTAIN MATERIALS THAT WORK WERE NOT TO BE USED IN FOUR AND FIVE AIR THAT YOU COULD USE MOST, ANY MATERIAL THAT WE WANTED OTHER THAN THE VERBAL CORRUGATED METAL PANELS THAT YOU SEE ON, YOU KNOW, THE LESS EXPENSIVE, UH, CONSTRUCTIONS THAT YOU GET, UH, THE SITUATION THAT WE ARE WITH NOW, UM, UM, WITH MR. WILSON IS HE'S WANTING TO REPLICATE WHAT HE CURRENTLY HAS, WHICH IS A METAL BUILDING, UH, WITH SOME VINYL ON THE FRONT AND 25 FEET DOWN THE SIDE, AND THEN SOME, UH, UH, FINAL PARENTS TO SORT OF BREAK UP THE MASS OF ANOTHER BUILDING.
UM, WE DID NOT HAVE THE LACQUER TO AT STAFF LEVEL, UH, TO SAY, WE KNOW THAT, THAT YOU CAN GO WITH THE METAL DOWN THE SIDES WHEN YOU, UH, COME DOWN THE ROAD ON 17.
UM, IT IS VISIBLE, UH, FROM THE RIGHT POINT, THE SIZE THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
AND SO, UH, UH, THE ONLY THING THAT WE CAN SAY TO YOU, IT MUST BE IN, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE VIOLENT.
IT CAN BE BREAD, IT CAN BE WOOD AND IN OTHER KINDS OF TRADITIONAL BUILDING MATERIALS, BUT JUST NOT THAT COORDINATED METAL THAT IS SO, UH, UH, LESS EXPENSIVE, YOU KNOW, UM, KIND OF FACADES AND BUILDING INSTRUCTIONS.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, IS HE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING THE NEW BUILDING TO MATCH THE AND LENS BUILDINGS? AND YOU'RE SAYING, YOU'RE SAYING THAT IF HE BUILDS ONE THAT MAX DOWN AND LANDS BUILDING WILL BE OUT OF COMPLIANCE, BUT I GUESS THE FACT THAT IT'S, THEIR LANDS IS ALREADY BUILT.
HIS GRANDFATHER DOES IT IS YES, SIR.
HE CAN BUILD THE EXACT SAME BUILDING.
HE JUST CAN'T HAVE THE CORRUGATED METAL SIDES AND HAD TO BE FINE OR BREAD OR SOME OTHER MATERIAL, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND CHANGE THE AND LENS BILL.
WELL, UH, IS IT IN THE CITY? UH, YES, IT IS.
SO ACTUALLY
SEEING THE DIFFERENCE IN BEING INTO THE CITY IS GOING TO BE, HE'S GOING TO COME ON OUR TAX BASE AND HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL REVENUE OR EXPENDITURES.
AND HE RIGHT NOW SEES IT WITH HIS INCOME AND STUFF THAT HE CAN'T AFFORD BOTH.
SO WHAT I CAN SEE IS HERE, WE GOT A BUILDING IT'S A PERFECTLY TO ME, IT'S HONESTLY, IT'S A GOOD LOOKING BUILDING.
IT DOESN'T DETRACT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IN FACT, IT ENHANCES THAT SIDE OF TOWN.
HE'S GOING TO PUT ONE RIGHT BESIDE IT, IF ANYBODY ELSE CAME ALONG AND DID THE SAME THING, I DON'T SEE WHERE IT HURTS THE AESTHETICS OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
I THINK WHAT WE'VE GOT IS JUST A LITTLE BIT TOO TIGHT FOR PEOPLE TRY TO DEAL WITH, WELL, UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU KNOW, THE, THE BOARD MAKES POLICIES, YOU CAN ALWAYS CHANGE AN ORDINANCE.
UH, BUT, UH, THIS WAS AN ORDINANCE THAT DEVELOPED NANCY FELT VERY COMFORTABLE WITH.
UH, AND, UH, YEAH, WE ENFORCED WHATEVER IS THERE.
UM, WE CAN NOT SAY TO MR. WILSON RIGHT NOW, UH, CUT A DEAL WITH HIM IN ORDER TO CUT INTO THE CITY.
WE'LL LET HIM KNOCK THE VINYL THAT WE DO UP HERE.
MR. MR. WARD, CAN YOU HELP GET A MORTGAGE OR GET THIS ORDINANCE DRAWN UP TO WHERE IT IS ACCEPTABLE FOR PEOPLE TO TRY TO BUILD IN THE CITY WITHOUT HAVING TO PUT THEMSELVES ON THE UNDUE HARDSHIP? WHEN YOU WAIT A MINUTE, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU'RE OUT THERE IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, A THOUSAND DOLLARS CAN MAKE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHETHER YOU GO OR DON'T GO, WHY WERE YOU IN BUSINESS A THOUSAND DOLLARS, A LOT OF MONEY, YOUR BUSINESS.
AND IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE, BUT, AND I COULD UNDERSTAND IT IF THEY WERE STICKING STUFF UP, IT'S NOT DECENT LOOKING BUILDINGS TO GOOD LOOKING BUILDINGS.
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I'M NOT SAYING I'M NOT OPPOSED TO, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH READING, WHATEVER, BUT HOW ABOUT IF WE MAKE A MOUSE FOR THIS? WHAT KIND OF THING UPSET THEM? THE REST OF THE ORDINARY? JUST IT, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T JUST SAY OPPORTUNITY THAT WE COULD MAKE THIS PERSON CAN'T BE DONE THAT WAY WOULD HAVE TO BE AMENDED SO THAT WHAT HE, WHAT HE PROPOSED TO BE A PERMITTED SITE AND TO BE PERMITTED EVERYWHERE, BUT SEEING ALL THE SPOTS AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT TAKING IN DESTROYING THE LOOKS OF THE CITY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING SOMEBODY PROBABLY MAKES BETTER SENSE.AND SOME OF THE STUFF WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, BUT OH, NO, THE THING IS SCARY WITH THAT RED.
HE IS THIS BOARD PROBABLY OVER THE LAST 3, 4, 5, 6 YEARS HAVE BEEN VERY COMPASSIONATE WITH PEOPLE, WANTED THINGS DONE.
WE'VE AMENDED THIS, WE'VE AMENDED THAT.
AND A LOT OF TIMES WE'VE DONE IT TO ACCOMMODATE PEOPLE.
AND AT THE SAME TIME, WE'VE DIRECTED STAFF TO COME BACK WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THEY WORKED ON FOR TWO, THREE YEARS, ALONG WITH THE DEVELOPERS WE HAVE, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, OKAY.
AND THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT SOME OF THESE GUYS HAVE WORKED WITH, AND YES, YOU, YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN DO THE RIGHT THING, BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO JUMP AND CHANGE YOUR ORDINANCE RIGHT AWAY UNTIL WE'VE GOTTEN, YOU KNOW, SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT IT.
THEY COULD SEE ONCE YOU CHANGED THIS ONE, THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO DOWN AND GO DOWN HIGHWAY 70.
AND I, AND, AND, AND YES, I WILL HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE THIS GENTLEMAN, BUT I DON'T WANT US TO CONTINUE TO HAVE STAFF TO DO THINGS, WORK ON IT FOR TWO AND THREE YEARS ALONG WITH THE DEVELOPERS.
AND THEN WE COME RIGHT BACK AND CHANGE IT.
OF COURSE, AT THAT SAME TIME, WE DID MAKE A STATEMENT THERE.
IF FOR SOME REASON, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE PUT IN PLACE HAS CAUSED ANY HARDSHIP ON A NUMBER OF PEOPLE.
I MEAN, IT HAS, IF IT'S CAUSED HARDSHIP ON THE BILL UPPERS BUILDING THING, THEN WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE RESULTS, BUT ONE PERSON NEEDING SOMETHING DONE.
I DON'T THINK WE, I DON'T THINK WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH CHANGING IT.
FIVE, SIX PEOPLE UP IN BUILDING SOMETHING, AND IT WAS HOLDING ALL FIVE OR SIX OF THEM UP.
AND YOU TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING MASSIVE.
LET'S TALK ABOUT LET'S SIT DOWN AND BRING THE GROUP BACK AND TALK, BUT I CAN'T SEE WANTING TO DRAW UP A NEW ORDINANCE FOR ONE PERSON TO ADD ON.
AND YES, I'LL HAVE TO COME AT THE GYM, BUT LOOK WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE LAST THREE YEARS, GETTING SOMETHING IN PLACE TO WORK WITH MR. TAYLOR, WOULD YOU COME UP? YEAH.
I'M I, AIN'T GOT BE QUIRKY LADY CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
UH, LIKES THE KEY WORD IN THE NEGOTIATION IF Y'ALL WERE TO CALL HIM AND SAY THAT, AND THAT'S THE FAMILY LAW BETWEEN DEVELOPMENT AND, UH,
THEY SHOULD'VE BEEN SO FAST TO THE PROCESS, BUT IT WAS DEFINITELY A NEGOTIATION PROCESS.
UH, MR. CHAIR, UH, WHO HAS SINCE PASSED AWAY
I'VE BEEN IN FOR 10 YEARS, ALSO IN THE RESIDENTIAL IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE BOAT OR THAT SERVED THE
I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS RIGHT AWAY TO THE ORDINANCE IS BUSINESS WAS, DID NOT BELIEVE MR. WARD IS CORRECT IN WHAT HE SAYS WITHOUT AN ORDINANCE.
HOWEVER, THE ORDINANCE DOESN'T ALLOW FIVE EITHER.
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SO THE IMMEDIATE QUESTION THAT COMES TO MY MIND, IF WE HAVE THE LATITUDE TO ALLOW FIVE, WHICH IS NOT ALLOWED ANY ORDER TO STOP IT, AND I REVIEWED IT AS EARLY AS TODAY, THEN WE SHOULD HAVE THE LICENSE TO ALLOW FORMAT.IF THAT NOW IS ARCHITECTURALLY ACCEPTABLE, UH, WE'RE NOT DEALING HERE WITH JUST OUR OPINION AS IT RELATES TO
SO IT'S NOT JUST OUR, OR IT WAS OBVIOUSLY SKILLED PEOPLE ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT THE BUILDING WAS NOT MY MAIN PROBLEM, I GUESS, WHERE WE ARE, WHERE THE ORDINANCE IS.
SO VOICES ARE NOT MOST PLACES WITH A TECHNIQUE, THEY ALL, AND I THINK THEY NEED TO GIVE THE PUBLIC, THE PRIVATE BUSINESS SECTOR, THE MERCHANT CREDIT FOR HAVING ENOUGH SENSE TO NOT GO AND BUILD A BUILDING IS UGLY AND CHEAP PEOPLE AREN'T IN THE SHOT.
HE SAID, WHAT TROUBLES ME THE MOST? I THINK ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION IS WHEN I LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY YOUR MOUNT HORN HAS DONE TO THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF NEWBURGH, BECAUSE THIS CAN'T BE ALLOWED.
I MEAN, YES, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOUR OR $5,000 A YEAR IN PROPERTY TAXES EVERY 10 YEARS, PROBABLY HOW LONG WE ALL SAID NEXT SECTION.
BUT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT YOUR PERCENTAGE OF THE SALES TAX FOR THOSE TWO BUSINESSES.
AND WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH THE BIG TICKET ITEMS, WHICH IS WORSE, BECAUSE YOU COULD EASILY LOSE $50,000 A YEAR AND SET US BACK OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS, THAT'S THE THING.
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN TODAY'S DIVE SIX, $700,000 THAT WON'T GO INTO THE GENERAL PHONE.
AND I WOULD SUBMIT TO YOU THAT TO ALLOW THIS MAN TO BUILD THIS BUILDING AND THEREBY HUMID WEATHER COMING TO THE CITY OF NEW AND PAY FEES AND TAXES AND SOME, AND PUT THAT MUCH MONEY IN THE COST, WE'LL DO A WHOLE LOT MORE GOOD THAN HARM TO NOT LET THIS PRODUCT AND WHAT WE'RE FACED HERE.
I, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THE LATITUDE TO DO BY, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE LATITUDE TO DO THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY THERE ISN'T SO MUCH THAT WE CANNOT COME UP WITH AN OPTION WHEREBY THE BOARD THROUGH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT CAN APPROVE A SPECIFIC DESIGN OR WHEREBY THE PLANNING BOARD, CAN THEY RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL OR NOT RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL.
AND THEN THE SUBJECT BE BROUGHT UP THE FOOD OF THE BOARD, DISLIKE A REASON OR SOMETHING ELSE.
THERE'S GOT TO BE AN ALTERNATIVE SOLUTION.
AND THERE ARE PROJECTS THAT GET HELD UP ON COUNTLESS MORE THAN YOU WOULD THINK.
THERE'S ONE RIGHT NOW, I SHOULD HAVE WROTE THIS UP A YEAR SOMETIME.
UH, BUT YOU KNOW, THE WAY I SEE THIS IS MR. WILSON HAS TWO OPTIONS.
HE CAN EITHER DELAY HIS ANNEX ANNEXATION PETITION AND GO TO THE ZONING BOARD AND GET WITH MIKE AND TRY TO, UH, COME UP WITH A ZONING AMENDMENT TO ADDRESS HIS CONCERNS.
OR HE CAN GO AHEAD ON AND REQUEST TO BE ANNEXED TONIGHT AND TRUST THAT WE WILL TRY TO FIND A WAY TO ACCOMMODATE THEM.
BUT IN ALL FAIRNESS TO US, IT'S KIND OF HIT US BY SURPRISE.
I MEAN, WE ARE NOT IN A POSITION TONIGHT TO, UH, CHANGE THE, UH, THE ZONING LAW TO ACCOMMODATE HIM.
IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE REMAINING BOARD MEMBERS.
IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE CITY ATTORNEY.
AND HE'S ONLY, HE ONLY HAS ONE OPTION AND I DON'T SEE WHY WE SHOULD CONTINUED.
I CAN'T EVEN, I CAN'T VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT.
IT DOESN'T WANT TO BE IN THE CITY TONIGHT.
OR DOES HE WANT TO LET, TO THE LAND OF WHAT, THIS IS NOT A QUESTION OF BEING IN THE CITY.
THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT BEFORE.
WE ARE ALL OF OUR ZONING LAWS SET IN STONE THAT WILL NEVER CHANGE, BUT SEE ONLY AGENDA IS TO RE REVOLUTION ON ANNEXATION, BUT THIS IS, THIS, THIS, YOU KNOW, DIRECTLY AFFECTS WHETHER HE WANTS TO BE VOLUNTARY ANNEXED OR NOT.
I CAN TELL YOU, I HAVE NO PROBLEM ACCOMMODATING HIM, BUT SEE, HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THIS REGARDLESS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT HE COMES IN THE CITY, BECAUSE HE'S IN THE EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION.
IS THAT CORRECT? SO, SO, HEY, IT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND HE WILL, HE WILL.
SO DOES HE WANT TO BE ANNEXED TONIGHT OR DOES HE WANT TO DELAY IT? WELL, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.
I'VE BEEN ASLEEP FOR THE LAST HALF.
WHY DOES HE WANT TO BE ON IT? HE WAS GOING TO BE AT IT IN ORDER TO
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ALLOW HIMSELF THE CITY WATER.SO THE FACT THAT, I MEAN, JUST SEVERAL, SEVERAL THINGS GOING ON WITH FLYING AROUND ONCE, OF COURSE HE DOESN'T HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, YOU CAN USE A BUCKET OR EVEN BABY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS.
WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S ANOTHER OPTION, BUT, BUT MY POINT IS THAT SEVERAL THINGS, ONE THING I'VE HEARD THAT IT HAD TO BE VINYL.
IT COULDN'T BE MADELINE NANNY.
NOW YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE ORDINANCE DOES NOT SPECIFICALLY SAY THAT VINYL IS APPROVED.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE PREMISE THAT WE'RE BASING A LOT OF THE ARGUMENT ON.
THE SECOND THING WAS, THIS WAS A BUILDING THAT HASN'T BEEN BUILT YET.
SO ANY ADDED COST ON THE ONE HAND IS, IS, UH, IS A COST THAT CAN BE PASSED ON, LIKE IN OTHER, ANY OTHER BUSINESSES.
IT'S NOT A HARDSHIP WITH SOMEBODY WHO'S ALREADY DONE SOMETHING AND HAD GONE INTO IT AND BLIND ME.
AND NOW HERE COMES $6,000 OUT OF NOWHERE.
THIS DOESN'T AFFECT MY DECISION ON HOW I'M GOING TO CLOSE IT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO LAY OUT SOME THINGS THAT ARE, THAT ARE, THAT APPEAR TO BE ONE WAY.
BUT THEN WHEN YOU REALLY EXAMINE THEM, THEY'VE PERHAPS THE ELDERLY.
THE OTHER THING IS OBVIOUSLY THE, UH, THE FACT THAT WHETHER THE BUILDING IS ARCHITECTURALLY ACCEPTABLE OR NOT, IN MY OPINION, IS A GOOD ARGUMENT.
THE BASIS OF WHAT MATERIAL IS MADE OUT OF WHETHER IT'S VINYL OR METAL, I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND MIKE'S APPLICATION.
THERE WAS IT, THE, THE VINYL LOOKED A LOT BETTER, I GUESS IT WAS MORE ETHICALLY, AESTHETICALLY PLEASING.
WELL, I THINK MY BUILDING IS METAL.
SO WHAT ARE YOU THINKING MAD? YOU GO AHEAD AND SAY IT HAMMER THE FRONT.
YOU DON'T REMEMBER YOU'RE GONNA CONDEMN IN THE BACK.
BUT ANYWAY, THE POINT BEING THAT I THINK SOME OF THESE CASES, YES, WE DO NEED TO, TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT DOING, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH ONE THING AND GOING ABOUT IT IN A MANNER THAT'S CAUSING A LOT OF OTHER THINGS TO HAPPEN.
BUT BY THE SAME TOKEN, I DON'T THINK WE CAN BLIND OURSELVES WILL, AS YOU KNOW, WITH THE ARGUMENT THAT HE'S GOING TO ADD THEM, THE CITY COFFERS NOW.
OH, WELL, THE REGULATIONS, IT WOULD WORRY ME ABOUT PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE THIS ON IN THE PAST THAT ARE GOING TO RIDE OUTSIDE TONIGHT.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S EVER BEEN IMPOSED ON ANYBODY, BUT I HAVEN'T MET HER BY, I ASSUME IT MAY MAKE IT HANDS.
SO I'M SORRY, GO ALONG WITH THE IDEA THAT OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING TONIGHT, AS FAR AS TAKING A LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE, I'D LIKE FOR MIKE TO EXPLAIN TO US, AT LEAST IN A, IN THE NEAR FUTURE, WHY, IF VINYL AS SUCH, IT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY SPELLED OUT IN ORDINANCE, HOW YOU CAME ABOUT THAT VINYL WAS ACCEPTABLE IN METAL AND WAS NOT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN DO THAT AND NOT BE EMBARRASSED.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO IT NOW? WHAT THE, HEY, UH, THE WAY THE ORDINANCE LAYS VEIL, UH, IT DOES NOT PRESCRIBE THE ONLY MATERIALS THAT CAN BE USED.
IT TALKS ABOUT CERTAIN TYPES OF MATERIALS AND SIMILAR MATERIALS.
AND, UH, IT HAS BEEN A DETERMINATION ON OUR BOARD ADMINISTRATIVELY THAT VIAL IS COMPARABLE TO WHAT SIDING IS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, IS MENTIONED AS, AS POSSIBLE, THAT IT IS COMPARABLE IN APPEARANCE TO WOOD SIDE, EVEN THOUGH PROFESSIONAL, LIKE ME CAN SPOT IT FROM WELL OVER 10 OR 12 FEET, BUT IT IS STILL COMPARABLE IN APPEARANCE VERSUS VERTICAL CORRUGATED METAL CHEATING AND ALLOWS THAT KIND OF FLEXIBILITY WHEN SOMETHING IS SIMILAR IN APPAREL.
IT ALLOWS THE FLEXIBILITY OF SOMEBODY MAKING A JUDGMENT THAT IS ACCEPTED IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND EFFECT.
AND THAT SOMEBODY IS THE ADMINISTRATION WHO IS ALSO NAMED YOUR STAFF.
SOMETIMES, SOMETIMES THE STAFF, SOMETIMES IT'S ADMINISTRATION, BUT I THINK IT'S THE SAME GROUP.
WHEN WE SAY I UNDERSTAND I'M LEARNING, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I WISH I, UH, THAT WE'RE MORE THAN WILLING TO SIT DOWN AND WORK WITH ANY GROUPS THAT WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE RAISED TONIGHT AND ANY MODIFICATIONS TO THE ORDINANCE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE CITY.
UH, I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY WITH YOUR COMMENT MAYOR ABOUT JUST RECALL SOMEONE IS WILLING TO ADD TAXATION, DON'T THROW THE REGULATIONS TO DO THAT.
UM, ONE OF THE SAME ORDINANCE, WE HAVE HEARD MANY TIMES JUST WHEN WE TELL SOMEBODY THAT COULD PUT A MOBILE HOME IN HIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY SAID, WELL, WHY CAN'T OUR SYSTEM MAKE IT LIVE? THERE THERE'LL BE ADDITIONAL TAXES.
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THAT'S RIGHT.BUT LET ME ADD SOMETHING RIGHT THERE.
IF WE KELLY'S BACK AND SAY HE PUNCTUATES MY STUFF, WOULD YOU NOT AGREE THAT IF WE GAVE IN ON AN ORDINANCE AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT I'M NOT GOING TO BE A VIOLENT ON THIS ORDINANCE, BUT I'M SAYING FOR THIS PARTICULAR ARGUMENT, IF WE GAVE IN ON AN ORDINANCE, BECAUSE IT WILL ADD TO THE TAX BASE, WOULD WE BE KNOCKED AT LEAST, UH, AS ON FIRE NOW, THE DIRECTION AND SOMEBODY WITH A MOBILE HOME.
AND OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT GOING TO ADD VERY MUCH TO THE TAX BASE.
WE WOULD NOT GIVE IN TO THEM THAT MAKES US PEOPLE WHO DO THINGS FOR MONEY, WHICH IS WHAT THE PUBLIC SUSPECTS, POLITICIANS, ANYHOW, YOU KNOW, WE GOT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT, AT LEAST IN THE SHORT RUN.
AND LIKE I SAID, I'LL BE GLAD TO, TO ME OR ANYONE ELSE ON THAT.
UM, THEY'RE ALWAYS NANNY SIDES, UH, TO, TO ANY CONSIDERATION.
I, I KNOW THE BASKETBALL INVOLVED.
HOW ABOUT IF WE ALL TAKE UP A LITTLE BIO AMONG OURSELVES AT BETWEEN NOW AND THE END OF THE WORK SESSION MONDAY NIGHT, AND WE ALL TAKE A RIDE BY THIS EXISTING BUILDING, JUST LIKE WE WERE COMING IN AND DOING FOREST TIME.
WHAT BETTER WAY TO, TO DECIDE WHETHER IT'S AS AESTHETICALLY PLEASING AS A, AS SOMETHING IN THE CAR THEN TO RIDE BY AND TAKE A LOOK AND TELL YOU AIN'T GOT TO PULL IN JUST, JUST, YOU KNOW, I JUST SAY THERE IT IS NOW, IS IT? OR IS IT NOT? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ARGUE ABOUT SIDE AND VERTICAL SIDE AND THIS, THAT WHATEVER.
BUT IF YOU WOULD START THAT, UH, DRIVE AT RIVER BAND AND LOOK AT SOME OF THE METAL BUILDINGS THAT HAD BEEN ADDED IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS THERE AND SEE THE IMPRESSION YOU GET RIDING THAT SECTION.
BUT NOW WE'RE TALKING NOW WE DON'T DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN METAL BUILDINGS AND METAL BUILDINGS IN, THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT SAY YOU'VE ALREADY FOUND THE WHOLE BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER AND SAID ALL METAL BUILDINGS.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT THERE'S A CHANCE HIS BUILDING IS GOING TO LOOK GOOD TO ME AND THE OTHER ONES MIGHT NOT LOOK GOOD TO ME.
I HEAR YOU SAY IT, WHICH WAS THE DIFFERENTIATION.
SOMETIMES I THINK I'M IN HONDA LAND.
I AM NOT TRYING TO ADVOCATE NO SIDING ON THESE BUILDINGS.
I'M WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS BEAUTIFUL FRONT, ROLL IT DOWN THE SIDE, BUT WHY I HAVE TO GO 200 FEET OR 150 FEET DOWN THE SIDE.
IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE GOOD SENSE.
WELL, LET'S JUST SLEEP ALL I'M SAYING PRETTY SURE I BUY IT AND SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
AND WELL, I THINK IT'S LIKE JUSTICE AND BEAUTY.
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T DESCRIBE HIM, BUT WE'LL KNOW HIM WHEN WE SEE HIM.
AND I WANT TO RIDE BY MYSELF AND JUST TAKE A GANDER.
WELL, IN THE MEANTIME, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT THIS RESOLUTION? ARE WE GOING TO ADOPT THIS RESOLUTION TO COME TO A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE ANNEXATION OR DELAY OR WHAT NOT REALLY.
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT DO THEY WANT TO, TO DELAY THE ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION? UH, THE ONLY PROBLEM I GOT SOMEONE OUT HERE FOR A LONG TIME WHEN THESE CARS, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, WITH THE CAR WE'RE IN DOWNTOWN YOUR STORY, AS LONG AS YOUR LITTLE SIDE STREET, I HAD A PROBLEM WITH GLEN BURNER AND I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT FARM WAY OUT FROM DOWNTOWN.
I JUST GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
NAH, I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
BUT A LOT OF TIMES WE LOOK AT THAT AS BEING NOW, WHEREAS THIS DEPARTMENT IS LOOKING AT TOMORROW AND IF WE DON'T SOMETIMES LOOK WITH THEM, THEN WE'RE GOING TO EVENTUALLY PUT OURSELVES IN A POSITION WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE TOO LATE TO TRY TO IMPROVE THE THEORETICS OF ANYTHING ABOUT NEUBERGER.
WELL, YOU KNOW, I TELL
MY QUESTION WOULD BE THE NEXT TWO HEADS, BUT WHAT IS THE GENTLEMAN ACROSS THE STREET BUILDING?
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NO, THE HUGE BUILDING IN FRONT OF SUNSHINE AND GARDENS IS IT ALL NOW? AND THAT'S A SYNTHETIC STUCCO PRODUCT, BUT I THINK THAT WAS QUITE, UH, MS. PAR HAMLET IS SAYING, UH, AT LEAST 75% OF THE BUILDING PERMIT ACTIVITY LAST YEAR TOOK PART IN THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT OF THE CITY.PRIMARILY THAT IS THE DIRECTION.
ONE OF THE DIRECTIONS THE CITY CAN GROW BACK.
30 YEARS AGO, PEOPLE WERE LOOKING AT THOSE AREAS GOING WAY OUTSIDE THOSE AREAS.
LIKE THEY WERE LOOKING AT SIMMONS STREET 30 YEARS AGO, AS FAR AS DEVELOPMENT GOES AND THE AREAS THAT DON'T COME VERY RAPIDLY, IF YOU DON'T HAVE GOOD STANDARDS, YOU WERE DEVELOPED ON THE HORSES.
AND THAT IS A DISINCENTIVE TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN PEOPLE WANTING TO COME HERE.
INSTEAD OF BEING SOMETHING THAT IS BUILT A LITTLE BETTER, IT GIVES A BETTER IMPRESSION OF THE CITY AND RETURNS MORE DOLLARS LONG-TERM AS FAR AS POSITIVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S I, ANY OF US HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS YOUNG LADY TO TRY.
AND TO ME, IT SEEMS LIKE ANYTHING THAT SHE DOES TO THE TABLE, WHAT WE HAVE OUR ROOMS THAT ARE WITNESSES.
SO MAYBE WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS TAKE A LOOK AT HOW WE DEFINE CORRIDORS AND HOW THEY REALLY DO AFFECT IN SYDNEY.
AND THEN TAKE A LOOK AT THE THINGS THAT ALLOW OR DISALLOW BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT.
SO IF WE HAD A MEETING, WE HAVE A MEETING, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW AND SEE IF IT IS TOO STRICT.
IF IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A HINDRANCE IN CERTAIN, WE TAKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THAT POINTS BACK TO THE PILOT SCREEN, THE MATERIAL THAT WE CAN AFFORD IT OR CAN NOT.
SO WE HAD IT OUT OF WORK SESSION OUT.
CLEARLY WE FIND CORALS AND FIND OUT WHAT IT IS THAT WE SAID IS THIS ALLOWED IN COURT VERSUS METAL? IS THIS ALLOWED? AND LET'S JUST ASK OURSELVES WHY WE HAVE TO BE REALISTIC ABOUT NEIGHBORHOODS, BECAUSE WE DO WANT TO DEVELOP.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, BEAUTY SHOP, YOU KNOW, SHOULD NOT HAVE TO HAVE THOSE KINDS OF PROBLEMS IN A BUILDING OUT THERE WHERE EVERYBODY IS JUST BUILDING DOWN 17.
I BOUGHT THE BIG JOB SITE BUILDING THAT BLOCKS LUNCHTIME.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS FUNNY TO ME.
ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO LOOK BLACK.
AND HE HAS A BOOK ON THE HOUSE SIDE VERSUS WHETHER OR NOT TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
SO WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK HERE.
IT DOES SAY IF WE CAN JUST ASK PROCESSION IN THE FUTURE.
SO IT'S NOT THE HOLD UP, BUT BOB, YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE FIRST, WHEN WE FIRST DID THE LAND USE ORDINANCE AND BIRD, YOU CAN REMEMBER IT MIGHT TOO WAS THAT WE SAID THAT AFTER A YEAR OR SO WAS OVER, WE'D GO BACK AND KIND OF REVIEW.
BUT WE WOULD BASICALLY LOOK AT THE THINGS THAT HAVE COME UP.
NUMBER OF TIMES THAT HAS BEEN A HOLDUP FOR PEOPLE.
DON'T LOOK AT THE WHOLE THING, BUT LET'S PULL OUT THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN A HOLD UP TO PEOPLE MORE THAN ONCE OR TWICE, PULL IT, PULL IT TAPE.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING DOWN WITH THE CAR, BUT LIKE I SAID LESS, WHEN YOU BEGIN TO TALK ABOUT IT, THINK ABOUT IT.
LET'S REMEMBER THAT THESE GENTLEMEN, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENTS IS NOT PUTTING SOMETHING IN THERE TO CAUSE A HARDSHIP TO ANYONE.
IF THEY'RE PLANNING SOMETHING THAT HOPEFULLY WILL CONTINUE TO KEEP NEWBURN IN A, IN A, IN A GROWING FASHION THAT THAT CAN BE CONTROLLED.
AND ALSO THAT'S GOING TO BE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE BEAUTY THAT HOPEFULLY WE WILL LIKE UBER TO CONTINUE.
I THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW.
AND UNTIL WE BRING THIS MATTER UP, I LIKE TO MOVE.
WE ADOPT THIS RESOLUTION CALLING FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, OH, WAIT A MINUTE.
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HAVE ONE RESERVATION ON THE, AND THAT IS THAT IF FOR SOME REASON, MR. WILSON DECIDES HE DOESN'T WISH TO BE ANNEXED, THAT HE CAN BE RELEASED FROM THIS THING.WE JUST WANT LET'S MAKE I'M ON THEM.
I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING THAT BINDS HIM LEGALLY TO SOMETHING.
AND DURING THAT TIME THEN HOPEFULLY, UH, THIS GENTLEMEN AND MIKE AND WHOEVER ELSE IS INVOLVED IN SITTING AND TALKING TO WORKS ON THAT.
IF THE BOARD DID NOT WISH TO PERMIT HIM, TO WITHDRAW HIS PETITION, THAT CONNECTION, ONCE HE'S FILED A PETITION TO BE A NASH, WHICH HE HAS DONE THE NEXT STEP OF COURSE, IS THE ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION.
IF THE, IF THIS BOARD TWO WEEKS FROM NOW, THE NIGHT OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, BESIDES THAT GOING ON NEXT YEAR AND WHETHER HE WANTS TO BE RIGHT, WELL, WHY DON'T WE JUST
ANYWAY, WE ALL IN AGREEMENT THAT WE WON'T LET'S CALL THESE, I WAS GOING TO DO IS SLOW HIM DOWN.
BUT IF HE WANTS THAT, THAT'S FINE WITH ME.
HE'S ALREADY OBLIGATED HIMSELF, A DEADLINE THAT STOPS THE PROBLEM.
HE
WOULDN'T ALLOW HIM TO DRAW THAT AT THE PUBLIC HEARING IN ORDER TO NOT
YOU JUST HAVE TO TRUST US THAT WE WANT TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE, BUT THEY CAN, YOU CAN, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO GO EXACTLY.
THERE IS THAT AN ORDINANCE BY NEXT TIME, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN CONTINUE THE ADOPTION OF THE ORDERS UNTIL LET'S BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT OWNERS OF THAT ORDINANCE SAY NO METAL SIDING.
IT DID NOT SAY VITAL WAS ALLOWED.
WE'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED THAT, BUT IT DIDN'T, BUT IT DOES SAY NONE METAL SIDE, WHERE DOES SAY, HE SAYS IT DOES.
AND YOU SAY IT DOES, THIS IS JUST LIKE CROSSFIRE YOU NEPHEW ON.
IF SOMEONE HAS GOT A COPY OF THE ORDINANCE, WHERE IS CHAPTER 22 9? WELL, I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS WHETHER WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE AN AMENDMENT STILL AN AMENDMENT TO THE ORDINANCE OR WHETHER WE COULD JUST, YOU KNOW, DECIDE WHETHER WE CAN LET HIM USE THE, UH, THAT PARTICULAR SIDE AND THE KNOCK, IF IT SAYS METAL, METAL AND THEN THE OTHER THING.
SO I BELIEVE WHAT HE'S GETTING AT DON'T YOU HAVE TO ADD THE TASK.
HE'S JUST TRYING TO GET THAT WE JUST GET THE ASS OF THIS FIRST.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE'S TRYING TO SEE RIGHT NOW FOR THE HECK OF IT.
IF METAL IS EXCLUDED AND ALL I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT IS THEN WOULD WE HAVE TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE, WHICH IS ANOTHER ACTION THAT WE TAKE BEFORE HE CAN MAKE SOME DECISION OF WHATEVER, OR WHETHER WE CAN JUST HOLD HIS OWN IN THE STAFF OR THE ADMINISTRATION, WHICHEVER GROUP IT IS.
AND THIS CAN DECIDE IT'S EASY TO SPELL STAFF.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU TYPE IN THAT, MAY WE MIGHT HAVE BEEN DARK CONSIDERING PUT MR. STEELY ON OUR PAYROLL.
CAUSE HE'S ALWAYS UP HERE ON THESE KINDS OF ISSUES.
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AND I LET HIM, HE'S GOT THAT.HE'S GOT, HE'S EATING ALL HIS THING AS A HAM OR YOU'RE SMILING AND GRINNING FROM EAR TO EAR, WHAT IS OKAY.
UH, BUT THOSE PORTIONS OF THE PRINCIPLE BUILDING VISIBLE FROM THE STREET PLATE, SHELBY SHEET AND WHAT SIDING SOME BREAD OR OTHER MAINSTREAM MATERIALS, EXCLUDING CENTER BLOCK, OR REGULAR CONCRETE BLOCK NAIL, UH, OUR, UM, INTERPRETATION THAT, THAT EXCLUDES, SINCE IT DOES NOT PROVIDE FORWARD CORRUGATED METAL SIGN, BUT WHAT ABOUT FUN? WHY DOES IT, WHY DOES IT INCLUDE FINAL? OKAY.
FOR EXAMPLE, TWO THINGS HAPPENING.
ONE IS OTHER MASONRY MATERIALS, WHICH WE HAVE THROUGH ADMINISTRATIVE, UH, DETERMINATION, WHICH IS NOT NICE OR MATERIAL.
AND WE'VE ALSO ALLOWED TO DO THE SIDING, WHICH IS BASICALLY TO WOODSIDE.
WE HAD A BUILDING JUST REBUILT RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM THERE.
AND THEY PUT BOND INSIDE AND ALL THE WAY, RIGHT.
IT DOESN'T LOOK ANY BETTER THAN HIS PILL.
I DON'T BELIEVE IN TO TRY HIS BUILDING THE TRACKS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ANYMORE WITH THIS.
AND I UNDERSTAND WE'VE GOT THE FRONTAGE, PEOPLE SEE IT, BUT YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT, ALMOST LOOKED DOWN INSIDE THE BUILDING TO SEE THE SIDE OF WHERE DO WE, WHERE DO WE STOP? IT'S BASICALLY PHONE CALLS THAT BUILDINGS HAVE 6,000 MORE DOLLARS TO MAKE THAT VIABLE INSTEAD OF MAIL.
WHEN, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU TAKE AWAY
I DON'T WANT TO SEEM LIKE I'M ALWAYS.
AND, UH, I GUESS THAT'S THE NATURE OF MY JOB, BUT I HAVE A PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS, BUT WE DISAGREE.
I THINK ALMOST SOMETHING WE JUST AGREE TO DISAGREE, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE AGAIN THAT IN ANY WAY, PERS THE PUBLIC WELFARE, ALL THE CAR COMING IN, BUT IT DOES APPEAR FROM WHAT HE READ.
THEN IT EXCLUDES METAL SIDE LOUD AND DOESN'T, AND DOESN'T HAVE A NAME
WHEN YOU DO AN EXTERIOR FINISHES, YOU PUT A PIECE OF STAR, YOU PUT A PIECE OF FIBERGLASS, PATRICK, WHICH IS REALLY THE LAST AMERICAN PATIENT, WHICH HAS A COLOR.
AND THEN THAT EXPANDED CONTRACTION, DOESN'T CRACK LIFESTYLE AND STUFF, BUT THERE IS A MEASURE.
AND THEN THE, THERE IS, AND I KNOW WE WERE ARGUING WELL, NOT REALLY BECAUSE WATCHING WHAT YOU SAYING THOUGH, IS THAT, THAT HE MAY HAVE BEEN WRONG BY ALLOWING VINYL SIDING, BUT TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT TO, TO, TO, TO GO EVEN FURTHER IN THEIR BOUGHT THEREBY INCLUDE METAL SIDE.
I THINK MY ATTEMPT THERE WAS TO ACCOMMODATE A FACILITATOR FOR THE
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THAT IF YOU RIDE BY 50 MILES AN HOUR, YOU WOULD READ AT THE SHAW AND REALLY LOOK AT IT.IT IS UP AND WELL, THAT'S WHY I WANT TO SAY THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO GO.
AS FAR AS MEASURING IT AGAINST THE ORDINANCE, WHICH IS ANOTHER CONSIDERATION.
AND JUST SEE IF IT'S ADDING TO TRACKING THE WATER OVER TO THE SO-CALLED KARMA.
BUT WHEN I'M TRYING TO ESTABLISH HERE IS WHETHER THE ORDINANCE CAN ALLOW METAL SIDING.
AND THE ONLY ARGUMENT I'VE HEARD IS SINCE IT HAS BEEN STRETCHED SO FAR TO ALLOW VINYL SIDING, THEREFORE WE ALL HAVE TO STRETCH A LITTLE FURTHER AND MAKE METAL SIDE.
I'M JUST SIMPLY BRINGING UP A QUESTION IN MY FANCY ATTORNEY.
IF WE CAN GET, IF WE HAVE STAFF ADMINISTRATIVE
HE SAID HE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH BUD EARLIER.
IF THERE ARE INDUSTRY STANDARDS THAT PROVIDE MORE STEADY, APPROPRIATE TYPE OF SIGN IN THE COORDINATED, UH, TYPE, UH, C UH,
I'M SURE THAT, UH, THESE KINDS OF ISSUES COME UP IN THE THEATER INDUSTRY AND I'M SURE THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO DO IT.
I SAID, WELL, WHAT HE'S ASKING, I GUESS IS CAN YOU STAY WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE PRICE LEVEL HE'S GOT AND USE A METAL SIDING, BUT IT NOT A CORRUGATED METAL, WHICH SAY THE CONGREGATION HAS BEEN STRENGTHENED
THIS IS
AND, UH, I
AND SO I CAME, UH, I BELIEVE IN
UH, HE IS TALKING ABOUT BACK IN THE SECOND ONE AND WHAT CITY WARRANTS WERE DONE, TAKEN UP WITH DRAIN FIELDS FOR A SECOND, PROBABLY MORE INTENSIVE.
LIKE I WAS LIKE, SHE JUST WENT TO SLEEP
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WILTON EVER SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD.AND, UH, I HAVEN'T, I DON'T KNOW HIM.
YOU KNEW ANYTHING THAT, UH, YOU EVER DISTRACTED ME AND NOT JUST THESE PEOPLE VISIT ME AND I JUST WANT TO HELP THEM.
IS IT LEE APPROVED, NUMBER FIVE, PETITION BRAND TAXATION ADOPT THE RESOLUTION.
THERE'S ALREADY BEEN A DOC AROUND ME.
IF WE CAN'T GET THINGS WORKED OUT AND WE'LL DROP IT AND A FURTHER DATE.
WELL, WE'RE FIGHTING THIS RESOLUTION.
DOES IT CALL
WE LIKE TO DO THINGS BACKWARDS, WELL, VOTE ON IT.
AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT ONE VOTE.
NOW, OR SLAMS. I MAY ASK ONE MORE QUESTION.
SO I'LL HAVE SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT AS I NOT ALL NICE.
DOES THIS ORDINANCE JUST APPLY BECAUSE HE'S IN A QUOTE ON QUOTE CARD.
IN OTHER WORDS, COULD HE DO THIS IF HE WAS INSIDE THE CITY? SO AND SO TO BUILD IT WOULD BE PRETTY ENOUGH.
IT WAS IF IT WAS IN THE CITY, BUT IT'S TOO UGLY EXPENSES COMING IN.
THAT'LL REALLY PUT ME TO SLEEP.
REMEMBER MAYOR CAR, DOOR, CARTER CAR.
I'M BEGINNING TO SEE NOW AND BE REASSURED AND LOOK AT THE BUILDING AND MAN BUILDING.
IF YOU COME INTO THE SYDNEY, THAT'S THE CAR ON THE FAR SIDE, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 17, IS IT A COURTROOM? YOU CAN GO WITH THAT TO MAKE IT MORE ATTRACTIVE TO PEOPLE.
I SAY YOU MIGHT NOT NOT TO PUT IT ALL.
I MEAN LIKE YOU, SOME OF YOU BROUGHT UP AT NIGHT BECAUSE I'M NOT FOR OR AGAINST IT YET, BUT THE IDEA THAT THE BUILDING WOULD BE ALL RIGHT IN THE CITY, BUT NOT ALL RIGHT APPROACHING THE CITY IS
WELL, WHY GIVE A FALSE IMPRESSION WHILE I STRIP AWAY THE EXTERIOR AND THEN FULL OF ALL? WELL, I HAVE IT PRETTIER COMING IN AND IT IS WHEN YOU GET IN THE MIDDLE, THAT'S LIKE OPENING A BIG BOX AT CHRISTMAS AND THERE'S NOTHING IN GOD.
NOW WE'RE DOWN TO APPOINTMENTS 14.
AND IF ANYBODY I'LL TAKE ANY APPOINTMENT, WE GAVE THEM, THEY GOTTA BE IN THERE TOO EASY MISCELLANEOUS.
AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE CARDS AND LETTERS AND PRAYERS THAT EVERYBODY SUBMITTED MY BAG.
AND YOU'RE NOT MAD ABOUT ALL THE STUFF WE HEARD IN THE PAST.
I JUST WANTED TO KNOW THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
HOW ABOUT G LESLIE RECAP, ONE IT'S A RESOLUTION DOWN THERE THAT BE CONSIDERED
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AS FACE AS BORED WITH, DID HE LEAVE OR IS HE COMING BACK RIGHT? THE CAR OR THE MACARTHUR THOROUGHFARE TO READ IT OR MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.THIS IS A RESOLUTION THAT, UH, IS, UH, TO BE ADOPTED IF YOU APPROVE IT BY THIS BOARD THAT I SUPPORT THE EXTENSION OF MCCARTHY BOULEVARD FROM CLARENDON BOULEVARD TO TRENT ROAD TO CONNECT CHELSEA ROAD, AS IT IS FALLS UNDER OUR CITY THOROUGHFARE PLAN, WHICH WOULD MAKE FOR AN EASIER PASSAGE WAY, GOING DOWN ALL THE WAY DOWN, MCCARTHY BOULEVARD, ALL THE WAY DOWN INTO THE TRENT WOODS ACCIDENTS.
I MEAN, TRENT WOODS ENTRANCE THERE, CARDINAL THIS DOES NOT, DOES NOT COST US ANYTHING.
ALL THERE SUPPORTS IT AND ASK THE OT TO, UH, OUR SPORTS, THE EFFORTS OF THE OT TO GET THIS, UH, THOROUGHFARE PUT THROUGH.
WE THINK WE'VE GOT SOME MOVEMENT THERE THAT THIS WILL HELP ALL IN FAVOR.
SAY I NEVER KEEP GETTING THAT.
AT LEAST TWO I MOVE, WE ADJOURN SECOND.
FOR ATHLETIC SHOES AND CLOTHING, THERE WAS ANOTHER PLAYER IN GREENVILLE.
TIM SPORTS HAS PUT TOGETHER AN IMPRESSIVE LINEUP LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF FIFTH STREET AND MEMORIAL DRIVE.
SENIOR SPORTS HAS COATS BY FEEDLOT STARTER AND LOCAL ATHLETICS.
ONE OF THE LARGEST SELECTIONS OF THE ATHLETIC HATS IN GREENVILLE CAN BE MATCHED WITH OUR PLAYER SIGNATURE SHIRTS BY START-UP ATHLETIC SNEAKERS ARE ALSO COMING IN.
WE'LL INCLUDE THE NEW STACK HOUSE AND GRANT HILL.
IT'S ALL AT TEAM SPORTS, WEST FIFTH STREET AND MEMORIAL DRIVE IN GREENVILLE AT ENERGY EFFICIENT HOUSING, A NEW-BORN WE GUARANTEE YOUR MONTHLY ELECTRIC BILL THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE ENERGY EFFICIENT HOUSING.
OUR HOMES ARE BUILT RIGHT FROM THE START USING ONLY TOP QUALITY MATERIALS INSIDE.
NOW THAT'S WHY WE CAN GUARANTEE YOUR MONTHLY ELECTRIC BILL.
WE HAVE MANY MODELS TO CHOOSE FROM, FROM SINGLE-WIDE TO DOUBLE-WIDE TO LUXURIOUS.
SO CALM TO ENERGY EFFICIENT HOUSING, A NEWBURN ON HIGHWAY 17 SOUTH, AND REMEMBER ENERGY EFFICIENT HOUSING IN NEWBURN.
IT'S THE HOME OF THE GUARANTEED ELECTRIC BILL.
I'M ALL OVER THE PARKWAY, FAMILY RESTAURANT.
WE'D LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW YOU JUST A FEW OF OUR DAILY LUNCH AND DINNER SPECIALS.
WE HAVE AT LEAST TWO SPECIALS.
EVERY DAY WE COOK FRESH VEGETABLES.
WE DO NOT USE BACON JUICE FOR SEASON OR HALF AT FARMERS.
WE INVITE YOU TO COME TO THE PARKWAY NEARBY.
WHAT'S SOMETHING GOOD IS ALWAYS 45, STILL RUNNING.
WHEN YOU CHOOSE PHOTOGRAPHY FOR YOUR WEDDING, YOU GET THE PROFESSIONAL QUALITY KNOWN THROUGHOUT THE SOUTHEAST AS THE VERY BEST ONCE IN A LIFETIME OCCASION.
AWARD-WINNING PHOTOGRAPHY, ADS LOVE.
EVERY TIME FOR THAT SPECIAL DAY, YOU DESERVE THE VERY BEST AUTRY'S AT 6 3 8 5 6 0 7.
AWARD-WINNING WEDDING PHOTOGRAPHY.
THIS IS DREW, AND GARY IS TESTING.
ONE OF OUR MATTRESS SETS HERE AT THE MATTRESS PLACE ON HIGHWAY 70 EASTERN NEWBURN.
ALL OF OUR MATTRESSES ARE MADE RIGHT HERE IN NORTH CAROLINA AND WE GET THEM FACTORY DIRECT.
SO WE FEEL THAT WE CAN SELL YOU A BETTER MATTRESS FOR LESS MONEY.
AND REMEMBER AT THE MATTRESS PLACE, SPECIAL ORDERS ARE ALWAYS WELCOME.
SO COME SEE US AT THE MATTRESS PLACE.
33 17 HIGHWAY 70 EAST IN NEWBERN