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ALMOST TO FOLLOW THE ASS, THAT, THAT WE'RE BLESSED.
THAT ALL IS ON A VERY SPECIAL WAY.
ALMOST FATHER GUIDE AND DIRECT THEM FALL TO GIVE HIM WISDOM THAT THEY MAY BE ABLE TO RUN THIS CITY AND TO TREAT ALL CITIZENS ALIKE POD.
I ASKED A FESTIVAL, BLESSED IT TONIGHT FOR THIS SET OF NEWBORN FOLLOWED BLESSED EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY.
WHO'S DOING A GREAT JOB AND TRIED TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE THE CITY AND A GOOD PASSION.
BUT I ASKED THE SPECIAL BLESSING TONIGHT, FATHER FOR THE COUNTY ALSO THAT THEY MAY BE ABLE TO WORK TOGETHER, THAT WE CAN MAKE THIS A BETTER PLACE FOR ALL PEOPLE TO LIVE.
WE HAD SOME DEEDS AND OTHER BLESSING AND JESUS NAVY PRE-MED CANDIDATE, DON.
IT'S TAKEN AWAY ON OTHER BUSINESS THAT THE HANDMADE COMMITMENT, THEN HE COULDN'T BE HERE WITH US TONIGHT.
SO I'LL BE SITTING IN AS MAYOR PRO TEM.
FIRST THING ON THE AGENDA IS THE PRESENTATION OF THE SAFETY AWARDS.
JUST GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THAT.
I AM YOUR SAFETY OFFICER AND, UH, EACH YEAR TO THE NORTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT OF LABOR, AS WELL AS OTHER AGENCIES RECOGNIZE A SAFETY AWARENESS.
AND TONIGHT WE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, RECOGNIZE OUR DEPARTMENTS AND DIVISIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
AND MR. MILEY, IF YOU LIKE, SIR, I COULD USE YOUR ASSISTANCE, SIR, IN THE PRESENTATION.
THE FIRST PRESENTATION IS FOR THE, UH, ELECTRIC DEPARTMENT UNDER LEADERSHIP OF MR. RALPH POCKET, THE ELECTRIC DEPARTMENT, THE ELECTRIC O AND M AND ELECTRIC BILLING HAS BEEN NOMINATED FOR THE FOURTH CONSECUTIVE YEAR.
ADDITIONALLY, SARAH, THE ELECTRIC DEPARTMENT HAS ALSO BEEN RECOGNIZED BY THE AMERICAN PUBLIC POWER ASSOCIATION FOR THEIR POSITIVE CONTRIBUTION TO SAFETY AWARENESS FOR THEIR PARTICULAR SIZE OF A UTILITY NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES AND HOURS.
AND, UH, CAN THEY PLAY SECOND OUT OF A FIELD OF 47 OTHER UTILITIES NATIONWIDE? NEXT IS THE, UH, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, UH, MR. DAVID MUSE, THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN AWARDED THE FOURTH CONSECUTIVE YEAR FOR SAFETY AWARENESS.
SO THEY'VE ALSO BEEN NOMINATED BY THE, UH, AMERICAN WATERWORKS ASSOCIATION FOR, UH, I GUESS IT'S AN AWARD OF MERIT FOR SAFETY AWARENESS.
THE NEXT UNDER THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT IS THE WASTE TREATMENT PLANT FOR THEIR THIRD CONSECUTIVE YEAR AND OF COURSE THE, UH, THE, UH, WATER SEWER DIVISION NEXT IS THE CITY OF NEWBURGH FIRE DEPARTMENT, KEVIN WATSON, CITY OF NEW BERN FIRE DEPARTMENTS.
THE RECOGNIZED FOR THE FIFTH CONSECUTIVE YEAR FOR A SAFETY AWARENESS.
NEXT RECIPIENT IS THE, UH, PLANE AND INSPECTION DEPARTMENT.
THEY HAVE A SIX CONSECUTIVE YEAR AWARD.
THE, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT UNDER A CHIEF PALUMBO, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR THE SECOND CONSECUTIVE YEAR, THE COMMUNICATION DIVISION FOR THE SECOND CONSECUTIVE YEAR AND THE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION
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VISION FOR THE FOURTH CONSECUTIVE YEAR AND WHAT I'M VERY PROUD OF IS THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT UNDER RED, MR. DANNY MEADOWS, THE, UH, POLYWORKS DEPARTMENT FOR THE FOURTH CONSECUTIVE YEAR FOR THE DEPARTMENT, THE STREET DEPARTMENT FOR THE FOURTH CONSECUTIVE YEAR AND THE, UH, COMPOST FACILITY FOR THE FIST CONSECUTIVE YEAR.THE, UH, THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT WAS ALSO NOMINATED.
THEY ALSO WON THE EXCEPTIONAL PERFORMANCE, A SAFETY AWARD FROM THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WORKS ASSOCIATION.
WHAT IS THAT? DANNY? SEPTEMBER.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS EARLIER, THE CITY OVERALL, ALL THE EMPLOYEES, ALL THE DEPARTMENTS, ALL DIVISIONS AS THE RECOGNIZED FOR THEIR THIRD CONSECUTIVE YEAR FOR SAFETY AWARENESS.
SO WE CAN ALL BE VERY PROUD OF.
LIKE I HAVE ONE OF MY AND, UH, LAST BUT NOT LEAST A LITTLE BIT BEFORE CHRISTMAS TIME, I WAS SENT SOMETHING IN THE MAIL TO GO AHEAD AND FILL OUT A SURVEY.
AND I SAT THERE WANTING TO KNOW HOW MANY LOST WORK DAYS WE HAD, HOW MANY EMPLOYEES WE HAD, HOW MANY ACCIDENTS WE HAD, WHAT TYPE OF TRAINING WE'RE DOING, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
WELL, SIR, I PUT ALL THOSE NUMBERS TOGETHER AND FOUND OUT WE WORKED ON THOSE 2.4 MILLION HOURS.
I LOST WORKDAY CASE AND THE NATIONAL SAFETY COUNCIL WORE THE US BEST RECORD FOR CITY OF NEW BERN.
THIS IS MUNICIPALITIES ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT HAS THE, A SIC CODE OF 91 99.
WE HAD THE BEST RECORD NATIONWIDE FOR SAFETY AWARENESS.
THE NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA IS REQUEST AND PETITION OF CITIZENS.
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD ON THAT SIDE? JUST RAISE YOUR HAND.
UH, I WILL CALL YOU NEXT TO THE STAR.
SO WOULD YOU COME FORWARD, SIR, I'M GOING TO PODIUM AND TELL US YOUR NAME AND WHERE YOU LIVE.
OF COURSE, PART OF SAY, GOOD EVENING EVENING.
25 0 7 NORTH HERE TO DRIVE CITY OF NEWBURN.
PRIESTS IS ALL MEN IN THAT HE SAID, I COME TONIGHT TO TRY TO FIND OUT FROM THE BOARD.
YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY ON THAT FOR A NEWFOUNDLAND.
WE HAVE A TREE ABOUT 200 FEET HIGH OR HAVE ANY MORE LIMB, BUT IT HAS TREES FOR LAMP.
IT'S A NEWSLAND, IT'S A HAZARD AT RED, RED OAK SNAKES, MOSQUITOES, YOU NAME IT.
WHAT IS THE LOCATION OF THIS TREATMENT? I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND YOUR STYLE.
WHAT IS THE LOCATION OF THE TREE? SO WE KNOW WHERE YOU'RE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOUR DRIVE IS OUT.
WEST NEWBURGH IS A TREE DAVIS.
HE GOES UNDER THE, UH, FOREST HILL, NOT NORTH.
I TALK WITH MY, ALL THE MEN ABOUT IT AND HE CAME UP TO SEE ABOUT IT.
ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE.
AND I COME PAY YOU THAT YOU WILL DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
HAS IT? IS IT DEAD? IT'S ALMOST RIGHT UP, DOWN IN THE CENTER.
IN OTHER WORDS, YOU CAN PUT THAT TABLE IN THE HOLLOW ON IT.
WE CAN GET OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR TO GO LOOK AT IT.
AND IF IT'S DEAD, THEY WILL WALK ALL OVER THE BED.
OH, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT MADELINE PRIVATE PROPERTY.
IT HAS TO GO ON A PUBLIC, RIGHT? AWAIT IT.
HASN'T BEEN ON A PUBLIC STREET PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY, BUT WE CAN'T GO ON PRIVATE PROPERTY AND TEAR DOWN A TREE BECAUSE IT'S NOT
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THE CITY YOU UNDERSTAND, BUT NOTHING IT'D BE DONE.IT'S NOT A CITY PROBLEM WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY.
AND NOW ALL THESE TREES AND YOU KNOW WHAT, IN MY
THEN YOU GOT TO CALL THE LAWYER NO REAL SERIOUS.
I'M NOT REALLY, IT IS A PRIVATE PARTY BETWEEN YOU AND YOUR NEIGHBOR, BUT IT'S NOT A CITY BLOCK.
IF IT WAS, IF THE TREE WAS ON A CITY RIGHT AWAY, THEN WE WOULD HAVE A DUTY TO INSPECT IT AND THEN MAKE SURE IT'S NOT SUBJECT YOU TO ANY TYPE OF SAFETY HAZARD.
IF IT'S ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, THAT'S BETWEEN YOU AND THE INDIVIDUAL WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY THAT THE TREE IS ON.
IF YOU WERE CLAIMING THAT THAT TREE IS A NUISANCE TO YOU, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH YOUR NEIGHBOR THROUGH A SILL REMINISCE.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE WORRY, MR.
I THINK WE SHOULD AT LEAST ASK THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR TO LOOK INTO IT.
I THINK THAT WE SHOULD ASK THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR TO LOOK INTO IT ALONG WITH YOU.
AND THEN HE CAN EXPLAIN TO YOU THE ORDINANCES THAT, UH, ALL THE MURENA WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN IT.
I APPRECIATE THAT YOU WOULD DO THAT.
DON'T COME DOWN HERE, BOUGHT IN YOUR PEOPLE, BUT I NEED HELP GET THIS BIRACIAL.
THAT WOULD BE TO TELL ME YOU NEED TO SEE MR. METALS.
Y THE NEXT GOOD LADY ON THE SECOND ROW, STATE YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
AND TELL US WHERE YOU, MY NAME IS DORIS LAWSON.
I LIVE AT 5 1 6 JOHNSON STREET, DOWNTOWN, AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
I HAVE A STATEMENT TO READ REGARDING THIS.
I HAVE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH MR. BAYLESS ABOUT THIS PROPERTY.
AND SINCE YOU ARE GOING TO DELVE INTO OTHER PROPERTIES ON THE PERIMETERS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THEIR APPEARANCE AND HOW THEY AFFECT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER THIS PROPERTY AS ONE OF MANY WHO HAVE, WHICH HAVE A NEGATIVE EFFECT UPON THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IN MORE WAYS THAN ONE.
AND SINCE I TEND TO RAMBLE, I'VE BEEN COHESIVE AND I'VE WRITTEN IT DOWN ON ONE PIECE OF PAPER.
COULD YOU GIVE US THE ADDRESS? AND THE ADDRESS OF THAT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT FIVE 20 JOHNSON STREET.
I'M HERE TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO THE CONDITION OF A PROPERTY ADJACENT TO MINE ON JOHNSON STREET, IT HAS BEEN KEPT IN DEPLORABLE CONDITION AND CAST THE NEGATIVE APPEARANCE ON THE ENTIRE STREETSCAPE PROPERTY OWNERSHIP ENTAILS RESPONSIBILITY TO THE COMMUNITY AND TO THE NEIGHBORS.
THIS PROPERTY OWNER DOES NOT DEMONSTRATE THIS AND SKIRTS RULES AND REGULATIONS TO THE BENEFIT OF HIS OWN NEEDS.
AND TO THE DETRIMENT OF THAT, OF HIS NEIGHBORS, WE INDIVIDUALS WHOSE MAIN ASSET IS OUR SINGLE PRIMARY RESIDENT.
OUR HOME MUST ENDURE THE NEGLIGENCE OF MULTIPLE PROPERTY OWNERS, SUCH AS THIS WHOSE PRIMARY GAIN IS TO PRODUCE INCOME AT MINIMAL COST ATTEMPTS TO CLEAN UP THIS PROPERTY HAVE GONE ON FOR EIGHT AND A HALF YEARS.
THERE WAS A FILE AND THE INSPECTIONS DIVISION THAT GOES BACK EIGHT YEARS REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, FORMER RESIDENTS OF FIVE 19 JOHNSON STREET, AND 5 22 JOHNSON STREET, NO LONGER RESIDING IN THIS AREA WILL ATTEST TO THAT AND WOULD COME FORTH.
ONE OF THE REASONS THEY MOVED WAS BECAUSE THEY COULD NO LONGER HANDLE THE DEPLORABLE CONDITION OF THIS PROPERTY.
I HAVE PLACED MY HOME ON THE MARKET.
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I WAS TOLD BY MY LISTING REALTOR THAT MY PROPERTY, BECAUSE IT WAS LISTED LIVING NEXT DOOR TO THIS OTHER PROPERTY HAD TO BE LISTED BETWEEN 25 AND $30,000 BELOW COMPARABLE PROPERTIES IN THE 200 BLOCK OF JOHNSON AND THE 200 BLOCK OF NEW STREET, SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE CONDITION OF THIS PROPERTY.IT'S KIND OF DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE WHO RESTORE HOMES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT MUST NOT JUST LOOK AT THE DISTRICT, BUT MUST LOOK AT THE BLOCK TO FIND OUT WHETHER THEIR PROPERTY WILL ATTAIN ITS ORIGINAL VALUE AND INCREASE IN VALUE IN AN APPROPRIATE PERCENTAGE, AS IT RELATES TO ANOTHER BLOCK.
SO IS 200 WORTH MORE THAN, THAN 300 AND 300 WORTH, MORE THAN FOUR AND FOUR WITH MORE THAN FIVE, OR DOES IT RELATE TO THE CITY'S ACTION AGAINST PROPERTY OWNERS WHO CONTINUE TO NEGLECT THEIR BUILDINGS? I HAVE HAD TWO PROSPECTIVE CLIENTS COME TO MY HOME AND SAY THAT THEY WOULD HAVE PUT A BIT ON IT, BUT IF IT WERE NOT FOR THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, AND I HAVE A REALTOR WHO WILL ATTEST TO THAT, IT IS MY CONTENTION THAT NOT ONLY THE PROPERTY OWNER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DIMINISHED VALUE, BUT THE CITY ALSO, IT HAS CHOSEN TO IGNORE VIOLATIONS IN THIS BUILDING FOR ALMOST FIVE YEARS AND HAS CONTINUED TO PROCRASTINATE IN DECISION-MAKING BECAUSE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS RIGHTS.
WHAT ABOUT OUR RIGHT TO MAINTAIN A HOME EQUITY IN A NATIONAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH CONTINUALLY BRINGS TOURISM AND BUSINESS TO THIS COMMUNITY.
IT IS NOT ONLY THE CITY, THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT US FROM DIMINISHED PROPERTY VALUES.
IT IS THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
I SHOULD LIKE TO QUOTE MR. JOHNNY SAMSON, WHO SPOKE AT A DUFFY FIELD MEETING THAT WAS HELD BY MS. LEE.
AND HE SAID, THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT PRESSURE ON THE PEOPLE RENTING THEIR PLACES, TOO, BECAUSE IF THEY LET THE PLACES GO DOWN, IT'S HURTING THE PEOPLE LIVING THERE AND THE PROPERTY OWNER TOO, BECAUSE THIS KIND OF NEGLIGENCE MAKES PROPERTY LESS VALUABLE.
SEVERAL YEARS AGO, ANOTHER SEATED BOARD ESTABLISHED THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION AND THEIR WISDOM.
THEY KNEW THERE WAS A POTENTIAL FOR GROWTH IN THIS COMMUNITY.
IF THAT GROWTH HAD DIRECTION, THEY WERE TO OVERSEE THE DEVELOPMENT AND TO REGULATE IT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, THAT BOARD RECOGNIZE THE SPECIAL NATURE OF THE DISTRICT, BUT IN, SO DOING, THEY PRODUCED A DICHOTOMY IN REGULATIONS.
THERE IS ONE SET FOR THE GOOD GUYS WHO GO BEFORE THE COMMISSION AND PRESENT THEIR PLANS AND DO ALL THE THINGS THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO AND GET TOLD WHAT AND WHAT NIGHT TO DO.
AND THEN THERE ARE THE OTHER GUYS WHO DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND GET AWAY WITH IT.
YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR, THIS BOARD MUST EXERCISE A GREATER DEGREE OF WISDOM, AND THEY MUST ESTABLISH SOME SORT OF MINIMUM MAINTENANCE ORDINANCE SO THAT ALL PROPERTY OWNERS AND RESIDENTS ARE EQUALLY PROTECTED FROM SCOFFLAW AND NEGLIGENT PROPERTY OWNERS.
OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE SUCH CODE.
AND I PERSONALLY HAVE PRESENTED THEM TO SOME MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD.
THIS BOARD MUST DO WHAT IS BEST FOR ITS CITIZENS WHO CONTRIBUTE AND WHO OBEY THE LAW AND TO DO WHAT IS BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY.
THIS BOARD MUST NOT DO WHAT IS POLITICALLY BEST FOR EACH MEMBER OF THE BOARD.
THEY HAVE TO LOOK AT THE ENTIRE PROGRAM.
OVER THE YEARS, I HAVE BEEN GIVEN THREE SETS OF ADVICE FROM VARIOUS MEMBERS OF THE CITY HALL STAFF.
AS I PURSUED THAT, I FOUND OUT THAT IF I LITIGATE, I WOULD NOT JUST BE LITIGATING AGAINST THE PROPERTY OWNER.
I WOULD BE LIVING AGAIN, LITIGATING AGAINST OTHER PARTIES BECAUSE THEY TOO HAVE RESPONSIBILITIES.
IF I WAS, I WAS TOLD TO WITHDRAW PARTICIPATION, WITHDRAW PARTICIPATION IN WHAT DON'T PUT YOUR HOMES ON TOURS ANYMORE.
GUYS, FORGET ABOUT THE GHOST WALKS.
DON'T PARTICIPATE IN THE DECORATIVE ARTS SYMPOSIUMS AS THE PALACE.
DON'T OPEN YOUR HOMES FOR FUNDRAISINGS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.
JUST SIT THERE AND STAND, PUT, AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE RESIDENTS DECIDE TO DO NOTHING.
THE OTHER ADVICE I WAS GIVEN WAS GIVEN TO ME BY MR. PARHAM QUITE
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SOME TIME AGO.AND HE SAID, YOU DON'T GET ANYWHERE UNLESS YOU MAKE NOISE.
DON'T, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE SQUEAKY WHEEL THAT GETS GREASED.
WELL, GUYS, WE'RE GOING TO BE PRETTY SQUEAKY FROM NOW ON BECAUSE WE CAN GO AND SHALL GO BEYOND THIS MEETING.
WE ARE THE HOMES YOU ADVERTISE.
WE ARE THE ONES YOU DISPLAYED.
YOU HAD THEM WHEN YOU HAD THE BULLETIN BOARDS FIVE YEARS AGO, THAT SAID HUNDRED AND 50 PLUS HISTORICAL HOMES.
WE HAD THEM ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THE NEW YORK TIMES, THREE DIFFERENT TIMES OVER THE PAST 11 YEARS.
WE'RE THE ONES YOU DISPLAY DURING THE HOMES TOUR, THE ART SYMPOSIUM AND ALL OTHER ACTIVITIES.
YOU POINT TO US AND OUR NEIGHBORHOODS WITH PRIDE AND SAY, LOOK WHAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE DONE FOR US.
IT'S YOUR TURN NOW? WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO FOR US? THANK YOU.
WOULD YOU COME UP FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND WHERE YOU LIVE ON THE SAME SUBJECT? SAME SUBJECT.
I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP FROM A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW.
AND, UM, I WANT TO TAKE YOU ON A, AN IMAGINARY TROLLEY RIDE IN THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH WE, UH, WE HAVE RUNNING AROUND IT.
AND THIS MIGHT COME ABOUT BY ONE OF THE PEOPLE ROTTING ON THE TROLLEY, THE CITY OF NEW BERN IN MANY WAYS, AS A CITY OF CONTRAST ON THE CORNER OF QUEEN AND GEORGE, THE CITY HAS BUILT THIS SUBSTANTIAL POLICE DEPARTMENT BUILDING, BUT IF YOU CONTINUE DOWN GEORGE STREET ON THE RIGHT, AT THE 400 BLOCK CROSS FROM THE BAPTIST CHURCH, UH, YOU'LL FIND A HOUSE AND LOOKING LIKE AN EYESORE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THESE HOUSES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE, UH, REBUILT AND RESTORED IN TWO YEARS.
IF YOU GO BACK AND PASS THE MULTI THOUSAND DOLLAR POLICE STATION AGAIN, AND HEAD DOWN JOHNSON STREET, YOU AGAIN, SEE HOUSES IN THE 600 BLOCK ARE CROSSING ST.
CYPRIAN'S CHURCH IN DERELICT CONDITION, THE NEXT BLOCK OR 500 BLOCK OF JOHNSON, UH, AT, UH, FIVE 20 JOHNSON, WHICH, UH, DORIS LAWS.
AND IT JUST TALKED ABOUT, I, YOU SPECIFICALLY SEE A CONTRAST OF UNCARED STRUCTURE AND AGAINST HOUSES OF RESTORED PROUD HOMES.
IF YOU LOOK ACROSS TO THE NEXT BLOCK AND QUEEN STREET, YOU'LL SEE TWO MORE HOUSES BEING RESTORED.
THE PRESENT TIME AT, AT, UH, METICULOUSLY AND AT A COST THAT, UH, THE OWNER MIGHT NOT EVER GET BACK.
AND THERE ARE EYESORES ON 600 NEW STREET, ALSO ON 500, UH, PRAVEN STREET, 500 MEDCAT IN BETWEEN RESTORED BEAUTIFUL HOUSES.
WHY, WHY CAN'T THE RULES AND CODES AND A BOOKS BEING FORCED TO CLEAN UP AND FIX UP THESE PROPERTIES.
IF THE BOARDS CAN'T FIND RULES TO THEM, THEN PASS THE NECESSARY LAWS TO GIVE EVERY HOMEOWNER A MEANS TO POLL HIS HOME VALUE.
WE HAVE A FIND POLICE STATION, FIND FIRE STATION PARKS AND MOST RESTORED HOMES, BUT NOT ALL THE CONTRAST BETWEEN OWNERS OF THESE FEW HOMES THAT PUT OFF REGISTER RUSS RESTORATION AND THE PEOPLE WHO PLAN SPEND MONEY AND SHOW THEIR PRIDE.
BUT THEN WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO, TO, UH, UH, MONETARY, UH, SHOW FOR IT? THE NEIGHBOR HOODS NEED YOUR HELP AND TRYING TO MAKE OUR VALUES EQUAL.
IS THERE SOMEONE ELSE ON THAT SIDE? COULD YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND WHERE YOU LIVE? MY NAME IS BEVERLY KLOSS.
I LIVE AT FIVE 16 CRAVEN STREET.
UH, I HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS AS THESE LAST TWO
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PEOPLE WHO SPOKE.I HAVE A CONCERN THAT HASN'T BEEN SPOKEN OF YET, BUT THAT IS TRUTH.
I'VE LIVED HERE FOR THREE YEARS AND I HAVE EXPERIENCED NOT BEING TOLD THE TRUTH ABOUT THESE HOMES, BEING TAKEN CARE OF, UH, PROMISES, PROMISES, AND RUN AROUND, RUN AROUNDS.
AND, UM, THAT'S NOT VERY GOOD.
IT'S NOT GOOD FOR ANYBODY ELSE.
UM, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A BUNCH OF GAMES THAT ARE BEING PLAYED AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE, BUT I CERTAINLY SEE THE RESULTS AND THE RESULTS IS THE GOOD GUYS PAY AND THE BAD GUYS DO NOTHING.
WE HAVE GOT A LOT OF MONEY MYSELF AND MY NEIGHBORS.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF MONEY INVESTED IN OUR PROPERTY AND WE JUST SEE THAT, AS I SAID, THE GOOD GUYS DO THE, AND THE BAD GUYS DO NOTHING.
AND IT HURTS THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO SAY THAT I AGREE WITH, WHAT'S BEEN SAID ABOUT THE HOUSE TOUR.
I HAD THAT IDEA ON MY OWN WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING ANYBODY ELSE HAD THE IDEA A YEAR AGO.
IT SEEMS LIKE THAT IS THE ONLY CLOUT THAT WE HAVE.
THE ONLY THING THAT YOU MIGHT LISTEN TO THE HOUSE TOURS BRING A LOT OF MONEY TO THIS AREA.
EVERY TIME I PUT MY HOUSE ON TOUR, I ENJOY IT.
I LOVE DOING IT, BUT I'M NOT DOING IT ANYMORE.
NOT UNTIL Y'ALL DO SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO AND TAKE CARE OF THIS JUNKY BUNCH OF HOMES THAT WE HAVE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WHAT PROMISES WERE YOU MADE OR MADE TO YOU THAT HAVE NOT BEEN KEPT? CAN YOU, PARDON? WHAT PROMISES WERE MADE TO YOU THAT HAD NOT BEEN KILLED THAT ARE, THESE HOMES WOULD BE TENDED TO I'VE ATTENDED MEETINGS AND I'M NEW TO TOWN.
AND I DON'T KNOW THE PEOPLE'S NAMES WHO WERE GIVING THE PRESENTATIONS, BUT IT WAS LIKE, THIS WOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF IN SIX MONTHS TIME.
AND THE, MAYBE THE PERSON TALKING DID NOT HAVE THAT AUTHORITY, BUT I DO KNOW LIKE THOSE APARTMENTS OVER THERE, THE DELLA HALL HUNT APARTMENTS ON QUEEN STREET, I CAN READ THE PAPER AND SAY THAT THE EXTENSIONS TIME AFTER TIME AFTER TIME, WHO IS HE? YOU KNOW, WHY SHOULD HE GET THIS? UM, JUST WONDERING WHETHER IT WAS CITY STAFF THAT GAVE YOU THESE PROMISES, OR WHO WOULD, WHO WAS IT THAT MADE A PROMISE TO YOU THAT SOMETHING WAS GOING TO BE FAKE? I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT WAS.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT I CAN FIND OUT BECAUSE THERE WERE ABOUT 50 OTHER PEOPLE THAT HEARD, WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET BACK.
MA'AM THE SPECIFIC NAME OF THE ONE PERSON WHO'S POSITIVE, BABE.
I NEED TO HEAR ABOUT FIRST WEEK IN MAY OF 1999, MR. BAYLESS PROMISED ME THAT THE HOUSE NEXT TO ME WOULD BE PAINTED AND CLEANED UP.
UNFORTUNATELY, HE'S NOT HERE TONIGHT.
AND I'M SURE IF YOU SAY HE TOLD YOU HE WOULD LOOK INTO IT, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT IT GETS DOWN TO, IT WILL BE PAINTED, YOU KNOW WHAT, THREE BRUSH STROKES A MONTH.
AND NEITHER ARE YOU UNDERSTAND.
I, SO I THINK THAT TRUTH IS OUR MAIN PROBLEM HERE.
WHAT ELSE HERE ON THE RIGHT SIDE, Y ON THIS SIDE WANTS TO COMFORTABLE? NO, SIR.
WOULD YOU COME FORWARD? WOULD YOU COME FORWARD TO THE PODIUM AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? MY NAME IS NORA STILL HUNT.
UH, MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD THE LADY, BUT WHAT I THOUGHT I HEARD HER SAID THAT THE BILL HUNT APARTMENT ON QUEEN STREET.
AND IF, IF THAT'S THE CASE, DELAHUNT DO NOT OWN AN APARTMENT ON QUEEN STREET.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY REQUESTS OR PETITIONS FROM THE CITIZENS? ANYONE ELSE? UM, YOUNG LADY TOOK THE TIME TO BRING THIS PHOTOGRAPH.
WHAT IS YOUR FIRST NAME? WELL, I'M SORRY.
WHAT IS YOUR LAST NAME SINCE MS. LAW WAS, UH, KIND ENOUGH TO BRING UP THIS PHOTOGRAPH.
AT LEAST WE COULD GET A BUILDING INSPECTOR TO GO OUT THERE AND LOOK AT IN THE HOUSE TO MAKE SURE IT MEETS THE MINIMUM MINIMUM HOUSING
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CODE.THIS PICTURE WAS DATED, UH, FEBRUARY 21ST.
1994, BUT IT'S NOT A THREE WEEKS AGO.
THAT IT'S UPDATED AND IT'S A MORE RECENT PICTURE AND IT'S STILL IN THAT SAME CONDITION.
YOU HAVE THE ADDRESSES OF ALL THOSE HOUSES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
WE'LL HAVE SOMEBODY GO OUT AND TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THEM AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET APPLY THE APPROPRIATE ORDINANCES THAT ARE ALREADY IN EFFECT AND CLEAN UP SOME OF THIS PROBLEM.
I'VE HEARD OF THIS FIVE, 20 JOHNSON STREET BEFORE, AND I THINK WE NEED IT.
BUT THEN FOR THE PRESERVATION COMMISSION OUT IN THE BUILDING, YOU HAVEN'T PAINTED THE SAME WAY THAT IT WASN'T FOR BUILDING YOU JUST PAINTED OVER AND BAY.
NOBODY TOLD ME THERE HAVEN'T BEEN SHORT TERM, LONG TERM IMPACT REPAIRS TO THIS BILL.
THERE HAS NEVER BEEN PAINTED IN.
YOU, I THINK WHAT WE'LL DO AS INTEREST, UH, TO LIVE IN THESE HOUSE ARE THERE RESIDENTS OF THIS HOUSE.
THIS IS A MULTIPLE FAMILY HOUSE THAT HASN'T BEEN BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION OF BOTH THIS BOARD.
AND THIS REQUIRES ALL THIS AND EVERYONE ELSE.
FOR MANY, MANY CIRCUMSTANCES, YOU SAID MIGRANT HOUSING AND EVERYTHING.
NOW
I JUST ASKED MR. JOHN COFFEE, WE WENT OUTSIDE JOHNNY AND WE SERVED A DAY WHERE JOHNNY CAN PULL THE FILE AND THE, TO FILL THOSE UP ON THE THIRD ROW TO THIS MEETING.
AND SO THAT WE CAN JUST SIT DOWN AND DISCUSS IT.
AND WE CAN ADD A COLUMN OUT IF WE GO INTO A MEETING WITH THOSE ON THE FLOOR, THIRD ROW, LOW AND SHINY CITY MANAGER.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MEETING, HOPEFULLY ONE DAY NEXT WEEK, WE WANT TO CLOSE THE, UH, THE ADDITIONAL CITIZENS, UH, PUBLIC HEARING.
THE NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA IS CONSIDERED DEMOLITION OF THE DWELLING AT 6 23, 6 25.
THIRD AVENUE IS GOING TO COVER THAT CAR.
UM, I'M HERE TO SEE EVENING IN RELATION TO 6 23, 6 25 THIRD AVENUE.
ACTUALLY IT SHOULD HAVE SAID ON THE AGENDA CONSIDERED DEMOLITION SLASH AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND PROPERTY OWNER AND MR. JESSE MARS IS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, AND HE IS RE HE IS REQUESTING AN EXTENSION OF 90 DAYS FROM JUNE TO 27TH, UH, WHICH THE TIME WILL EXPIRE ON SEPTEMBER THE 20TH OF THIS YEAR OF 2000.
HE IS ALSO BEING REQUIRED TO PUT UP A CASH BOND, UH, TOMORROW AT OF $2,000.
IN CASE THE WORK HAS NOT PROGRESSED THAT AT THE END THEREOF, IT WILL BE DEMOLISHED.
UM, MY ONLY PROBLEM IS WHO YOU ON YOUR ADDRESS? MY NAME IS JESSE MAS.
UH, I OWN THE PROPERTY 6 25 AND 6 23 THIRD AVENUE.
UH, THE ONLY PROBLEM I HAVE IS I DON'T HAVE THE $2,000 TO PUT UP BECAUSE THAT MONEY IS ACTUALLY GOING IN TOWARDS FIXING THE FINISHINGS IN THE PROPERTIES.
AND, UM, ALSO LIKE TO STATE THAT I HAVE, I HAVE ONLY OWNED THESE PROPERTIES A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN A YEAR, AND I HAVE ALREADY PUT IN SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARS TO MAKE THEM LOOK THAT MUCH BETTER.
UM, I ONLY HAVE ABOUT 10, 20% LEFT WORK TO DO, AND THAT IS, UH, BASICALLY THE PLUMBING AND, UH, THE PAINTING.
UH, I EXPLAINED TO THE BOARD THAT I HAD MORE THAN 40%, WHICH THEY HAD, UH, TOLD ME THAT I'M SORRY,
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NOT THE BOARD, THE INSPECTOR'S OFFICE THAT DAY.HE SAID I ONLY HAD 40% OF THE WORK, UH, MODEL WORK DONE.
I HAVE A LIST OF THE REPAIRS THAT I HAVE DONE, UH, WITH, ACCORDING TO WHAT WAS REQUIRED BY THE INSPECTOR.
AND, UH, I DO HAVE MORE THAN, UH, MORE THAN 80% THAT THEY HAD TOLD ME I WOULD NEED IT BY THE 60 DAYS BEFORE IT WAS UP AND THAT THEY WOULD WORK WITH ME AND GIVING ME MORE TIME IF I HADN'T INDEED HAD, UH, 80% OF MY WORK DONE.
I AREN'T THING I'M TRYING SAY IS I DON'T HAVE THE $2,000 TO PUT INTO THIS PROPERTY.
I MEAN, TO GIVE TO, TO THE CITY AND THEN PUT THE REST OF THE MONEY BACK INTO, INSTEAD OF PUTTING THE REST OF THE MONEY INTO THE PROPERTY TO FINISH IN A SHORTER, CAN YOU PUT UP, CAN YOU PUT UP ANYTHING? UH, NOT REALLY.
REMEMBER THE BOARD, I TOOK THE LIBERTIES OF GOING BY, HOW WAS TODAY? JUST BEFORE THE MEETING, WHAT I SAW WAS THAT THE GRASS WAS CUT.
IT LOOKED LIKE A LITTLE STATE OF REPAIR.
UH, I THINK TO ACCOMMODATE HIM, HE SAYS ALL HE HAS TO DO THE PLUMBING, PLUMBING, AND PAINTING.
I WOULD HATE TO SEE THIS FAST SPIN THE KIND OF WANT TO HE SPENT GOING THIS FAR, AND THEN YOU JUST TEAR IT DOWN, FRUSTRATES HIS DREAM OF HAVING SOME RENTAL INCOME, HELP SUPPORT HIS FAMILY.
THOSE ARE YOUR KIDS RIGHT THERE.
UH, HE LOOKED LIKE HE MEANS WELL, AND IF WE COULD HELP HIM SHORT UP, HAVE HIM PUT UP SOME MONEY.
I THINK WE OUGHT TO JUST GIVE HIM AT LEAST A CHANCE.
WHAT, HOW SOON CAN YOU HAVE IT DONE? UH, I, I DEFINITELY COULD HAVE IT DONE IN 60 DAYS.
WHAT DOES MR. CLARK'S I NEEDED TO BE DONE IN THAT HOUSE? THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT WAS TOLD AT THE HEARING WHEN WE HAD TO HEAR IT.
AND THIS WAS NOT WHAT I WAS EXPECTING TO HEAR TONIGHT BECAUSE WHEN MR. MARS WAS IN MY OFFICE THE OTHER DAY, HE UNDERSTOOD VERY WELL ABOUT THE $2,000 CASH BOND.
HOWEVER, WHEN WE HAVE OUT HERE, WE HAVE A POLICY THAT HAS BEEN SET UP AT 75% OF THE HOUSE MUST BE SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETED.
75% OF THE HOUSE INCLUDES ALL THE WIRING HAS BEEN DONE.
ALL THE PLUMBING HAS BEEN DONE.
ALL THE ROOF WORK AND EXTERIOR WORK HAS BEEN DONE.
THE ONLY THING LEFT TO DO IS BASICALLY AS PAINT THE WALLS, PUT THE FLOORING DOWN AND TRIM OUT THE HOUSE.
AS FAR AS PLUMBING FIXTURES, WHAT IS WHAT'S LEFT TO BE DONE? NOW? WHAT IS IN THIS, IN ITS PRESENT STATE? WHAT IS LEFT TO BE DONE ACCORDING TO IS BETTER.
I'VE NOT BEEN THERE, BUT ACCORDING TO THE INSPECTOR, IT HAS BEEN ON THE JOB.
KEEP BO WHERE HE SAYS APPROXIMATELY 40 TO 50% OF THE WORK HAS BEEN DONE.
MR. MARS WAS IN MY OFFICE AND REQUESTING THIS EXTENSION.
I HAVE HERE THE LAST INSPECTION PAPERS THAT WERE DONE BY HIS OFFICE.
AND, UM, WHAT WAS IT? THEY HAVE THAT INSPECTION ON THE FORM ON THE FORM OF THIS IS, UM, THAT'S HER NAME? UM, KAREN
THEY DESIRED 7, 7, 7 THIS WEEK THAT HE WAS THERE.
AND, UH, NO, THIS WAS, UH, INSPECT THE KAREN.
I'M NOT SURE OF HER LAST NAME, BUT SHE HAD GIVEN ME THE, OKAY.
AND ACCORDING TO THIS, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND IT WAS SEVEN, WHICH WAS LAST WEEK, LAST THAT'S RIGHT.
WHAT ABOUT WAS SHE HAD GIVEN ME THE OKAY TO CLOSE AND THAT WOULD BE THE SHEET ROCK AND FINISH OUT THE REST.
AND, UM, WOULD THAT INDICATE THEN THAT YOU HAD DONE THE ELECTRICITY AND DONE THE PLUMBING MR. CLARK? HE DID NOT DO.
AND SHE ALSO HAD PUT IN A LITTLE STATEMENT ON THE BOTTOM HERSELF.
HERE'S WHAT IT SAYS, FRAMING AND REP ELECTRICAL RELEASED.
TO SHEET ROCK, ALL ITEMS FROM PREVIOUS INSPECTION REPORT HAD BEEN TAKEN CARE OF.
THIS IS A BLOCK STRUCTURE DONE WITH SECTION EXPOSED.
THERE HAS ADDED RAFTER TIES AT EXISTING RAFTERS FOR THE INSPECTION BO ARE REQUESTED AND SO FORTH.
HE STILL HAS THE SHEET ROCK PUT UP.
I'VE I'VE DONE THE SHEET ROCK AND I'M COMPLETED ONE HOUSE.
AND I ONLY HAVE ONE MORE HOUSE TO DO THE OTHER HOUSE TO DO.
AND I CAN HAVE THAT FINISHED BY THE END OF THE WEEK.
JOHNNY IS, IS THERE ANYWAY THAT A BOND CAN BE PURCHASED RATHER THAN PUT UP A $2,000 CASH BOND? WELL, I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT DONE IN A CASE LIKE THIS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT CAN BE DONE.
THE ONLY THING THAT I KNOW THAT,
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THAT, UM, THIS BOARD, WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH ALL OF THIS WAS A 2000, $2,000 CASH BOND OR A CERTIFIED CHECK FROM A BANK SAYING THAT THE MONEY WAS THERE.AND NOW I HATE TO GET INTO THESE KINDS OF THINGS, CAUSE I DON'T KNOW AN AWFUL LOT ABOUT IT, BUT, UM, IT WAS SAYING THEN THAT HE HAD TO, I HEARD YOU SAY THAT HE HAD TO COMPLETE 75%.
IF I HAVEN'T SEEN IT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING.
AND UM, AND YOU SAID THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE PLUMBING AND ELECTRICITY.
AND AFTER THE, SHE GOT GOING INTO THE SHEET, ROCK IS ALL HE HAS TO DO THEN MAKE IT 75% AND YOU'LL BE QUESTING DEMOLITION.
MA'AM I AM REQUESTING THAT THE BOARD ACT UPON THE POLICIES THAT HAVE BEEN ACTED UPON.
I MEAN, I, I HAVE, I DO NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO GRANT THIS MAN IN EXTINCTION.
THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS THE AUTHORITY TO GRANT AN EXTENSION IS THIS BOARD.
AND THIS BOARD HAS REQUIRED THUS FAR THAT A CASH BOND BE PUT FORWARD WHENEVER AND IT'S DENTON HAS GIVEN.
AND LET ME FURTHER SAY, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, IF THE BOARD ALLOWS AN EXTENSION WITHOUT A CASH BOND, THEN WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS GO BACK TO EVERY PERSON THAT WE'VE GOTTEN A CASH BOND FROM AND GIVE IT BACK TO THEM.
AND WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT TO THROW YOUR POLICY RIGHT OUT THE WINDOWS, RIGHT.
AND IT'S GOING TO BE JUST A BIG MASS.
LIKE IT'S BEEN IN THE PAST BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN CONSISTENT HERE UP TO NOW.
AND IF YOU ARE NOT, THEN YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE YOURSELF A MESS ON YOUR HANDS TRYING TO ENFORCE THESE LAWS.
IF WE, IF WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, LET'S LET ME DO THIS.
THIS IS IN MY DISTRICT AND IT AFFECTS PEOPLE AND I'D LIKE TO TABLE THIS AND PUT ON THE NEXT MEETING.
AND I LIKE TO GO IN THE WELDING WITH MR. CLOCK.
BECAUSE AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, IT LOOKS, IT LOOKS ZIP.
HE HAS MADE SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS TRYING TO REHAB THAT WELL, BUT I WAS IMPRESSED.
I'D LIKE TO GO IN IT AND JUST MAKING SURE WE'RE NOT TEARING DOWN A DWELLING WHERE HE ALL READY TO HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY ALREADY PUT INTO IT BECAUSE HE LOOKS LIKE HE'S TRYING, HE JUST DOING EVERYTHING HIMSELF, TRYING TO WORK AND THEN TRY TO, UH, FIX UP THE PROPERTY ON THIS SIDE, HE CAN DO THE WORK.
WHEREAS HE CAME TO ME AND HE LOOKED LIKE HE WAS TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE A MAN LOSE EVERYTHING.
I MEAN, I, I'M NOT, I JUST CAN'T DO IT.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE TABLING.
IF YOU HAVE A TIME LIMIT, I GET TO GET UP WITH MR. CLARK AND WE'LL JUST GO OUT THERE, COME UP WITH SOME ALTERNATIVE, BUT I CAN'T NEGOTIATE IN THIS KIND OF ATMOSPHERE.
MY POINT WAS THAT, UH, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH, YOU KNOW, I LENIENCY, I DON'T WANT US TO SEEM LIKE PEOPLE WHO PERSONALLY, I BELIEVE IN THE CITY SAID WHEN WE FIRST STARTED OUR PROJECT, THAT WE ENCOURAGED THE REHABILITATION OF HOMES.
WE'D LIKE TO SEE HOUSES STAND, BUT WE CAN'T ALLOW THEM TO JUST SIT THERE AND DETERIORATE.
HOWEVER, IF WE HAVE ESTABLISHED A POLICY THAT REQUIRES, UH, CASH MONEY, WE HAVE REQUIRED THAT OF OTHERS.
AT THIS POINT, WE WOULD HAVE TO GIVE IT A LOT OF CONSIDERATION BEFORE WE JUST ARBITRARILY SAY, NOW WE CHANGED OUR MIND.
NOW, IF WE WERE GONNA PUT IT OFF AND ALLOW YOURSELF TWO WEEKS BEFORE WE DECIDE OF REMAN OR DEMOLITION THAT I CAN SEE, BUT YOU KNOW, TO JUST DECIDE, WELL, YOU KNOW, NO DISRESPECT WHOSE GENTLEMEN LOOK LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
AND THEN WE SAY, WELL, A CASH, UH, AGREEMENT IS NOT REQUIRED.
AND THEN THAT'S, THAT'S NOT FAIR TO THOSE WHO WE HAVE REQUESTED IT OF HOWEVER, I HAVE NO PROBLEM.
IF WHAT YOU'RE REQUESTING FROM US TONIGHT IS TO GIVE YOU UNTIL THE NEXT BOARD MEETING, YOU KNOW, TO LOOK AT IT AND DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT YOU THINK WE'VE MET THE 80% OR THE 75.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR.
CAUSE YOU KNOW, I'M THE ONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE PEOPLE ARE HAVING THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS AND MAKE SURE WE, WITH THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT WE'RE ASKING OF OTHERS, CONDITIONAL TWO WEEKS GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE $2,000 TOGETHER.
SO YOU COULD HAVE THAT CASH BOX.
IF IT WOULD POSSIBLY GIVE ME A CHANCE TO GET MAYBE HALF I COULD NOT SAY I CAN GET THAT, THAT WHOLE, THAT WOULD BE BETWEEN AGAIN, AGAIN, THE PROBLEM THAT YOU, THAT YOU ARE CREATING HERE WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE BOARD, ESPECIALLY TO ORDER MY BRAINER BOARD,
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WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE COMING UP RIGHT AFTER THIS.WHEN BOARD MEMBERS, WHEN BOARD MEMBERS PUT THEMSELVES IN THE POSITION OF HAVING TO GO OUT AND NEGOTIATE EVERY DEMOLITION THAT THE CITY HAS.
THEN WHEN YOU START THIS WITH ONE, YOU CAN EXPECT TO GO AND VISIT EVERY HOUSE IN THE CITY THAT WE GET READY TO DEMOLISH.
NOW THAT MAY BE A GOOD THING, BUT I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE THAT EVEN AFTER SEEING IT, THE BOARD HAS THE QUALIFICATIONS.
THAT'S NECESSARY TO SAY WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS A GREAT HOUSE AND IT'S ONLY GOING TO REQUIRE A SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY TO FIX OR WHETHER IT ISN'T RIGHT.
AND I WOULD SUGGEST AGAIN, YOU HAVE PAID STAFF THAT THAT'S WHY THAT THEY HAVE NEGOTIATED THIS ITEM, ACCORDING TO THE POLICIES THAT YOU HAVE SET OUT AND THAT YOU SHOULD STICK TO YOUR POLICIES.
YOU NEED TO STICK TO YOUR POLICY.
AND I AGREE MR. HARTMAN, AND BASICALLY WHAT THIS IS, IS GIVING YOU TWO WEEKS TO COME UP WITH $2,000 BECAUSE I CAN'T CHANGE THE POLICY.
I UNDERSTAND IT HAS TO BE DONE BY THE BOARD.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE POSITIVITY THAT AFFECTS EVERYBODY IN THE CITY.
THIS IS BASICALLY ALL I'M DOING IS TRYING TO GET ME TWO WEEKS TO COME UP WITH 2000.
NOW, MAYBE YOU CAN GO TO AN INSURANCE COM AND YOU CAN BUY A $2,000 PERFORMANCE BOND.
JUST DEPENDS UPON WE'LL TAKE THE RISK.
SO WHAT WE WILL BE DOING TO LIGHT IS IF THE CUBAN WITH OUR POLICY IS TO VOTE ON THE ORDINANCE THAT IS PRESENTED TO US, EXCEPT THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SAYING THAT HE SHOULD PUT UP $2,000 TOMORROW.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, SIR? AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT HE STILL MUST PUT UP THE $2,000 ONLY THE FACT THAT I CAN'T CHANGE THE POLICY.
DON'T TRY TO, I MEAN, LET ME GIVE A POSSIBLE SOLUTION HERE THAT YOU COULD DO THAT DOT THE DEMOLITION ORDINANCE TONIGHT, DELAY THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE ORDINANCE BY TWO WEEKS TO GIVE THE GENTLEMAN TIME TO COME UP WITH THE $2,000.
AND IF HE DOESN'T COME OUT WITH IT IN TWO WEEKS AND DEMOLISH IT THE NEXT DAY.
I'D RATHER BRING IT BACK UP TWO WEEKS FROM NOW.
I HAVE TWO, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS, BUT LET ME, LET ME GET A WORD IN HERE.
I'VE GOT TWO QUESTIONS I NEED ANSWERS TO.
I STILL WANT TO CLARIFY CLARIFICATION, CLARIFICATION.
SOMETHING MIGHT FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS.
IF WE PUT IT OFF TWO WEEKS WHERE MY LATE IN THE ORDINANCE, ANYWAY, YOU SLICE IT NOW.
AND I DON'T THINK ANY BANK OR ANY INSURANCE, COMPANY'S GOING TO DO A $2,000 BOND, 200,000 MAYBE, BUT NOT A 2000.
AND THE SECOND THING IS JOHNNY.
IF, IF WE DID THAT AND TWO WEEKS FROM NOW, HE'S GOT IT UP TO 80% COMPLETION, BUT HE STILL CAN'T COME UP WITH A $2,000 BOND.
WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE US? IT LEAVES US IN THE SAME PLACE WE ARE TONIGHT, EXCEPT WE ONCE AGAIN, AND WE'VE GOT TO DECIDE, WELL, HE'S A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD.
LET'S GIVE HIM A LITTLE MORE TIME.
I'M BOTHERED BY ALL OF THESE LITTLE NOOKS AND CRANNIES THAT WE'RE GETTING INTO.
AND IT DOESN'T SEEM, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S ANY ONE SINGLE SOLID METHOD OF DEALING WITH EACH CASE.
IF IN MY OPINION, IF THE BOARD WAS TO GIVE THIS MAN TWO WEEKS TO COME UP WITH A $2,000 BOND OR IF HE WAS TO COME UP AND HE WOULD HAVE 75 TO 80% COMPLETION, I WOULD STILL BE OF THE OPINION THAT HE NEEDS TO COME UP WITH A $2,000 BOND BECAUSE HE MIGHT NOT FINISH THE WORK.
WHAT I'M AFRAID OF IS IF HE DOES THE WORK AND COMES UP 75 OR 80% THAN THE AT LEAST THE SYMPATHY OF PART OF THE BOARD IS GOING TO BE, HEY, HE'S ALMOST THERE.
LET'S, LET'S JUST LET IT GO A LITTLE BIT LONGER.
AND THERE GOES THE WHOLE, LIKE MR. HARTMAN SAID, THERE GOES THE WHOLE PLAN OUT THE WINDOW.
WHY BOTHERED EVEN HAVE A SYSTEM.
IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO FIND THAT I WILL SAY THIS MUCH TONIGHT.
IF THE BOARD DECIDES TO GIVE THIS MAN TWO WEEKS, I DON'T CARE WHO YOU MAY WOULD BE.
THEY GAVE HIM TWO WEEKS IS GOING TO CREATE A NIGHTMARE IN MY OFFICE.
IT'S BEEN A GRAY, A NIGHTMARE FOR THIS BOARD TO HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT FROM HERE ON OUT.
HE HAD TO FORGET A LOT OF THIS STUFF IS NOT THE WAY WE SHOULD REACT.
WE'VE WE'VE UH, ONE OF THE 40 OR 50 HOUSES INVOLVED SO FAR, WE START MAKING EXCEPTIONS, EXCUSE ME, EVERYONE THAT WE MIGHT AS WELL GET THE WHOLE FAN.
THAT'S WHAT WE PAY HIM FOR IS TO ADVISE US AND HIS STAFF AND THEY'VE ADVISED US.
AND IF WE KEEP CHANGING IT, THEN WE DON'T NEED THAT.
I'M NOT ASKING THEM IMPOSSIBLE.
THE ONLY THING I'M ASKING YOU, ALL RIGHT, THEY ASK FOR TWO WEEKS ASKING THAT WE BRING THIS MATTER OF
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TWO WEEKS ON REASONABLE.I DON'T WANT TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE TONIGHT IS THAT SOMETIMES THINGS FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS.
WHETHER BECAUSE OF MISCOMMUNICATION OR WHATEVER, I JUST WOULD RATHER IT COME UP.
YOU DON'T HAVE THE $2,000 BY THE NEXT MEETING.
WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON THIS ORDINANCE.
THAT'S JUST, THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING.
JUST TO DELAY THE ADOPTION OF THIS ORDINANCE UNTIL THE NEXT, GIVE HIM OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP WITH $2,000.
IT'S JUST, WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE POLICY.
WAS YOUR RJ GRANTING HIM A CONTAINER? WHAT ABOUT MR. HARTMAN? SUGGESTION ON THE RAIN? YEAH.
WELL, AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, SUPPORT, I DON'T WANT HIM TO BE PREJUDICE BY THE FACT SOME MISCOMMUNICATION.
HE HAS THE MONEY WHERE WAS IN CHARTER.
THE BUILDING IS TORN DOWN BY MISTAKE AND THINGS HAPPEN IN LIFE.
I KNOW BECAUSE I PRACTICE LAW.
PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES, FADE, ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN.
ANYTHING MURPHY'S LAW STILL EXISTS.
CAN YOU FINISH ONE OF THE BUILDINGS RIGHT AWAY? OR ARE YOU TAKING BOTH BUILDINGS ON THE SAME CONTEXT? UM, I AM WORKING ON BOTH BUILDINGS AT THE SAME TIME.
ONE IS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER THAN THE OTHER.
UM, ALL I'M WAITING ON IS DIPLOMA, WHICH HAS BENJAMIN PLUMBING AND ONLY REASON THAT HE IS DELAYED BECAUSE HE HIMSELF HAD A TRAGEDY AT HIS MOTHER'S HOUSE.
AND HE TOLD ME THAT HE COULDN'T GET TO MINE UNTIL AFTER HE FINISHED UP HIS, UM, YOU KNOW, SO THIS IS THE FIRST TIME HE'S ASKED US FOR ANYTHING.
I'VE NEVER MET YOU BEFORE YOU CAME TO MY OFFICE.
AND SEE, UH, WE CAN'T BE SO COLD AND PUNITIVE BECAUSE WE HAVE OUR OWN PROBLEMS WITH BUILDING DEADLINE.
THE LADY WE HAD WITH THE POLICE STATION, WITH THE FIRE STATION, IT'S HARD TO GET HELP AROUND HERE.
I MEAN, A LOT OF THESE FOLKS DON'T HELP OUT MONEY LIKE THIS GENTLEMAN TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING HIMSELF.
AND AGAIN, IF YOU SAW THE DWELLING, YOU WOULD WANT TO SHOW SOME COMPASSION TO HIM.
AT LEAST GIVE THEM TWO MORE WEEKS.
THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING HIS BEHALF TWO MORE WEEKS AND THAT'S MY PHONE AND YO, YO, YO JUST THREE.
THIS MATTER MADE A DECISION DELAY.
THE DOCTOR LIST FOR ONCE UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING, GIVE HIM AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP WITH A $2,000.
WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE POLICY AT ALL.
WE'RE GIVING THEM A REPRIEVE OF TWO WEEKS.
YOU THEN HAVE THE $2,000 FOR THE BOND TO GUARANTEE THAT HE'S GOING TO COMPLETE THE WORK.
THEN EVERYTHING WILL JUST TAKE HIS COURSE.
I'M NOT ASKING THE STUDENT TO ABANDON THE POS OR ANYTHING.
I'M JUST ASKING THE CITY TO, UH, TO AT LEAST BE COGNIZANT THAT SOMETIMES THEY JUST DON'T WORK OUT THE WAY WE WANT THEM TO WORK OUT.
I MEAN, EVERY CONSTRUCTION PROJECT IN THIS CITY, THERE WERE THE DELAYS CIVIC CENTER HAD DELAYED.
OUR POLICE STATION HAD DELAYED THE FIVE O'CLOCK HAD DELAYS.
I MEAN, LOOK, IF WE GET SICK THINGS HAPPEN, LIFE IS NOT PERFECT.
AND THE MOTION IS DELAYED THIS MINUTE FOR TWO WEEKS, IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE NEXT AGENDA.
IF HE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TAKE THE TWO WEEKS.
NO FURTHER DELAY AFTER THAT'S RIGHT.
ANY QUESTIONS? UM, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO VOTE ON THIS AGAIN IN TWO WEEKS? OR IS IT GOING TO BE AUTOMATIC IN TWO WEEKS? WELL, I'M NOT GOING TO ASK THIS ON CAMERA.
WHY WOULD WE VOTE AGAIN IN TWO WEEKS? I I'D SAY WE WERE ONLY ROLLING TABLE TILL THE NEXT MEETING.
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OKAY.AND YOU HAVE TWO WEEKS TO COME UP WITH YOUR 2000 BUCKS OR WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AGAIN AND THE BUILDING IS THE MODELS AND THE EXECUTED DEMOLITION ORDER.
THIS IS AN EXTENSION FOR YOU BECAUSE YOU SEEM TO BE DOING ALL.
YOU CAN TO COME UP WITH THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF WORK AND FIX UP AND YOU BUILD THEM.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE RULES.
YOU'RE MAKING THE WELL NOT, WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE RULES.
WE'RE JUST MAKING IT APPROPRIATE TO SHOW THAT WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH THE CITIZENS THAT YOU'VE GOT TO WORK WITH.
I APPRECIATE Y'ALL HAVE A GOOD DAY.
I HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEM WITH, WITH, WITH ITEMS OF THIS TYPE SIMPLY BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY CAN AFFORD A UNEXPENSIVE HOME AND WE CAN'T JUST GO AROUND, TEARING DOWN EVERYTHING.
THAT IS, THAT IS NOT GORGEOUS AND BEAUTIFUL.
NOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS HOUSE, YOU KNOW, WHO OWNS THAT PLACE? SOMEBODY, WE HAVE A LOT OF TROUBLE WITH, FROM TIME TO TIME, GOT A LOT OF HOUSES AROUND TOWN, MAYBE IN JAIL.
NOW YOU KNOW WHO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND WE TORE DOWN PART OF ONE OF HIS PLACES JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO.
SO THIS GUY, A CONSTANT BUR UNDER OUR SADDLE, BUT THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS LIKE THIS GENTLEMEN WHO DO NOT OWN 50 OR 60 HOUSES AROUND TOWN AND WHO DO NOT COME BEFORE US OR APPEAR BEFORE US FREQUENTLY AS VIOLATORS OF ALL THE RULES AND REGULATIONS AND INCIDENTALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT LIVED HERE A LONG TIME ARE AWARE, BUT THE CITY OF NEWBURGH HAS NO BUILDING CODES.
THEY ARE ALL STATE CODES AND WE ARE CHARGED WITH ENFORCING THEM.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THROWS A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO COME FROM AREAS WHERE INDIVIDUAL CITIES HAVE INDIVIDUAL CODES.
NOW THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IS DIFFERENT.
IT IS DIFFERENT AND THERE ARE DIFFERENT RULES THERE.
AND I DON'T LIKE THIS KIND OF THING, EITHER.
NOBODY UP HERE DOES, UH, THIS IS WHAT YOU RUN INTO.
WHEN PEOPLE START TALKING ABOUT PROPERTY RIGHTS IS HE'S GOT A PROCESS THAT THE COURTS MAKE US GO THROUGH.
AND SO WE SOMETIMES FIND OURSELVES BETWEEN JUST A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE, AND WE WANT TO DO ONE THING AND WE'RE FORCED BY THE LAW TO DO ANOTHER.
BUT I, I SEE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS AND THIS GENTLEMAN TRYING TO DO HIS TWO PLACES.
THERE'S A DEFINITE DIFFERENCE.
AND I CERTAINLY, I, I HATE TO SEE THE LOW INCOME HOUSING DISAPPEARING ALSO BECAUSE THERE'S A NEED FOR, THERE'S A NEED FOR BOTH OF IT.
THIS, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT MEANS A LOT TO THIS TOWN, HAVING A ROOF OVER ONE'S HEAD WHEN ONE IS WORKING A MINIMUM JOB OR MINIMUM WAGE JOB MEANS A LOT TO THEM TOO.
SO THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT FACTORS AT PLAY HERE.
AND I DON'T LIKE TO MODIFY THE RULES AFTER WE'VE MADE THEM, UNLESS THERE IS JUST A REAL OVERPOWERING REASON TO DO SO.
THAT'S THE CLOSING DISCUSSION ON THAT AND GO TO ITEM NUMBER SIX, WHICH IS CONSIDERED THE DEMOLITION OF THE DWELLING AT 7 22 CYPRESS STREET.
IT'S 48 40 AT STANTON YES, YES, YES, YES.
THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS TO DISCUSS THE FIRST STREET APARTMENT SITUATION, MR. CLARK, WHERE YOU LEAD THE DISCUSSION ON THAT.
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DID THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.UM, AS YOU MAY BE AWARE, WE ISSUED A BUILDING PERMIT TO MR. DELAHUNT BACK ON DECEMBER, IT'S EITHER THE 29TH OR THE 30TH, UH, 1999.
WE MADE A DETERMINATION THAT IS BUILT IN PROVING MED HAD EXPIRED AS OF JUNE THE 30TH.
WE SENT A LETTER TO MR. SONNY DOVE AND ALSO TO MR. DILLAHUNTY HAND DELIVERED IT LAST FRIDAY TO EACH OF THEIR RESIDENCES.
AND LET THEM BE AWARE THAT THE BUILDING PERIMETER HAD EXPIRED REASON WHY WE ARE OF THE DETERMINATION THAT THE BUILDING PERMIT HAD EXPIRED, NO WORK, NO NEW CONSTRUCTION HAD TAKEN PLACE ON THE SITE SINCE THE BUILDING PERMIT HAD BEEN ACQUIRED.
THE ONLY WORK THAT HAD BEEN TAKING PLACE AS FAR AS WE KNOW, BECAUSE WE NEVER, WE WERE NOT CALLED FOR INSPECTIONS, UM, WAS DEMOLITION OF THE REAR OF THE UNITS AND THE STRIPPING OUT OF THE INSIDE OF THE UNITS.
SO WE MADE THAT DETERMINATION.
AND AT THE VERY SAME TIME AS THAT DETERMINATION WAS MADE, IF THIS BOARD WERE RECALLED BACK ON MAY THE 25TH OF 1999, THIS BOARD PASSED AN ORDINANCE WITH DEMOLITION BEING INSIDE.
THE BUILDING PERMIT HAD EXPIRED.
I HAD A SITUATION ON MY HANDS THAT I NEEDED TO COME BACK BEFORE THIS BOARD WITH.
AND THAT WAS, I HAD AN ACT OF DEMOLITION ORDINANCE TO DEAL WITH.
AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY I'M HERE BEFORE THIS BOARD TONIGHT TO SEE IF THEY STILL WANT TO PROCEED WITH THE DEMOLITION OF THOSE UNITS.
SINCE THAT BUILDING PERMIT HAS EXPIRED TO LET YOU KNOW OF A COUPLE OF OTHER SITUATIONS THAT HAS COME UP, MR. DYLAN HUNT, AS FAR AS I KNOW, WENT TO RALEIGH YESTERDAY TO THE DEPARTMENT OF INSURANCE, HE WANTED TO, TO APPEAL THE DECISION THAT I HAD MADE AND AFTER HE WAS THERE AND NOW WHETHER THEY INFORMED HIM OR THIS WAS NOT, I RECEIVED WRITTEN CONFIRMATION OF THIS THIS AFTERNOON FROM GROVERS ALL YOUR WHO, THE DEPUTY CHIEF COMMISSIONER OVER THE DEPARTMENT OF INSURANCE, THE ENGINEERING DIVISION, AND THAT WRITTEN CONFIRMATION WAS THE FACT THAT THE, THE DEPARTMENT OF INSURANCE ENGINEERING DIVISION HAS NO JURISDICTION OVER THE DECISION THAT WAS MADE BY OUR OFFICE TODAY.
MR. DELAHUNT CAME BACK BY MY OFFICE AND ALSO CAME TO MR. HARTMAN'S OFFICE OR SOMEWHERE IS HERE AT CITY HALL AND DELIVERED A COPY OF WHAT HE, UH, DELIVERED TO THE DEPARTMENT OF INSURANCE AND ALSO AN APPEAL PUTTING US ON NOTICE THAT HE WANTED TO APPEAL THAT DECISION TO THIS BOARD.
WE ARE HERE TONIGHT TO TRY TO FIND OUT WHAT THIS BOARD WANTS TO DO.
I AM OF THE OPINION THAT I HAVE AN ACT OF ORDINANCE IN MY HAND.
AND I'M JUST WAITING FOR THE BOARD TO TELL ME TO ACT ON THAT ORDINANCE.
UM, BE WILLING TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
I SAY, MR. GOV OR MR. DYLAN ARE IN THE AUDIENCE AND THEY HAVE ANY COMMENTS TO MAKE I WAS TALKING ABOUT ON SUNDAY EVENING, BUT, UM, PRACTICALLY I HAD ALREADY SENT BUILDING MATERIAL.
THEY ON WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY, I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS LETTER.
THAT TIME I HAD BEEN AT HIS OFFICE ON ANOTHER MATTER.
AND THEY TOLD ME NOTHING ABOUT THIS AT THAT TIME, BUT I ALREADY GOT MATURE TO START THE NEW WORK.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF, WHAT THE DOCTOR HAS A COPY OF NOTICE OF COMPLAINT, NOTICE OF APPEAL FROM YESTERDAY.
THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE IS THAT ON THE NOTICE OF APPEAL THAT I RECEIVED, IT WAS POSTED TO MY DOOR FRIDAY.
DIDN'T RECEIVE IT, CERTIFYING THAT UP, POSTED TO THE DOOR, MRS. CLARK, IF I CAN REFER YOU TO, IT GAVE NOTICE THAT, UH, THAT THE PERMIT HAD IT'S FIVE.
MR. DUKE, MR. BELTS GOT MATERIALS.
I PUT TOGETHER A PACKAGE FOR ALL OF THEM.
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LAST PAGE OR NOT.YOU KNOW, WE MOVE ON TO LOOK AT IT.
MR.
THAT WAS THE REASON THAT, UH, I GAVE YOU A LIST OF WORK CONSISTENT.
AND IT'S MY CONTENTION THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE REGISTERED MONEY HAD BEEN PAID ON THE FIRST CREEK APARTMENT, YOU CAN SEE THAT A WHOLE LOT OF WORK HAS PASSED SINCE THE TIME I GOT THE PERMIT.
AND FROM, FROM THE TIME THAT I THOUGHT 23RD, I GET 23RD UP TONIGHT.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT PROJECT BECAUSE YOU GENTLEMEN EXTENDED THE TIME, GET THE JOB DONE.
AND I DIDN'T WANT TO PICK ON HIM.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE PRODUCT.
WE HAVE ENGINEERS THAT'S ON THE PROJECT, YOU KNOW, AND ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT, UH, I'M HOPING THAT ONCE, ONCE THE, ONCE THE, UH, COMPLAINT IS HEARD IN RALEIGH, THAT, UH, THEY'D BE ABLE TO COME BACK WITH YOU AND LET YOU KNOW THAT MR. CLARK IS WRONG.
AND, AND, AND, AND AT THAT POINT, IF YOU'D BE UP TO YOU TO DETERMINE WHAT YOUR GOODNESS, YOU TOLD HIM THAT WRONG WITH WHAT HE DOING THAT, YES, SIR.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CONSIDER PROGRESS AS BEING I'VE GONE PAST THOSE BUILDINGS EVERY DAY.
WHAT'S YOUR NAME, ESPECIALLY THE ONLY PROGRESS I'VE SEEN IS YOU PUT UP A FENCE AND THAT JUST, I GUESS THE PROTECTION OF PROPERTY, WHICH YOU'VE DONE NOTHING TO PROTECT THE INTERIOR OF THE PROPERTY, DRIVING DOWN LAWSON STREET, AND YOU CAN LOOK COMPLETELY THROUGH THE BUILDING.
UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE PROTECTING THAT FROM THE OWNERS.
EVERY TIME IT RAINS, THE WATER GETS INSIDE THE BUILDING.
DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF THIS? UH, LET ME, LET ME SAY, IF I HAD SEEN ANY PROGRESS, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DIFFERENT OPINIONS, BUT YOU HAVEN'T EVEN DUMPED A DUMPSTER.
THAT'S BEEN SITTING IN YOUR YARD THERE FOR SEVERAL MONTHS, FULL OF ASBESTOS OR WHATEVER OTHER MATERIALS TAKEN OUT OF THAT MILL.
SO I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY PROGRESS THAT YOU CONSIDER, UH, WORK ON THE BUILDING.
I MEAN, YOU MAY HAVE WORKED ON WORK, BUT IT'S NOT OFTEN THE SMELL.
ISN'T HOW MUCH EXPERIENCE DO YOU HAVE IN CONSTRUCTION? MY EYES, TELL ME WHAT YOU HAVE DONE HAS NOT BEEN ENOUGH TO REHABILITATE THOSE BUILDINGS WITH THE SIX MONTHS EXTENSION THAT YOU'VE HAD, OR THE CONTINUING EXTENSIONS THAT YOU'VE HAD OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, LONG BACK OR SOME TIME IN 1989, THE BUILDINGS ARE DETERIORATING JOHN POINT, WHERE MANY OF US THINK THAT THE BUILDINGS ARE BEYOND REHABILITATION.
MR. DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE NOTICE OF HOW YOU READ IT, SIR? I JUST GOT IT TONIGHT.
WHEN I CAME TO THE DESK, YOU TO HAVE A NOTICE OF THE COMPLAINT THAT WAS FILED AGAINST MR. CLARK, UH, THAT IS, HEY, DON.
AFTER YOUR BUILDING PERMIT EXPIRE IN SIX MONTHS, THAT'S YOUR OPINION, SIR.
YOU HAD SIX MONTHS AND I HAVE DONE WHAT I'M SUPPOSED TO DO WITHIN THE SIX MONTHS.
I WORK NOT SUFFICIENT IN MY OPINION.
OKAY, MS. MELLON, I WOULD HOPE THAT SOMEONE IN IT ON YOUR BOARD CAN LOOK AT CODE AND EXPLAIN, BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WORK IN WHAT I'VE DONE, WHAT I'VE DONE WITH MAGNET.
WHAT WE HAVE HAD TO RELY ON OUR STAFF, WHICH KNOWS THE CODE INSIDE OUT AND BACKWARDS.
YOUR STAFF IN MY OPINION, IS PREJUDICE AND PROBLEM GOING THE WRONG ROUTE.
WE PAID OVER $600 FOR THIS PERMIT, MS. MALIK, AND ALL OF THEM ASKING ME, LOOK, I'M, I'M TALKING TO HIM, MAN, WHAT I WANT YOU TO DO? WHAT I WANT YOU TO DO TONIGHT? WE CALLED THERE IS A NOTICE OF A COMPLAINT FILE.
AND THE NOTICE OF APPEAL AFTER YOU, I'M ASKING YOU TO TABLE THIS UNTIL THE COMPLAINT HAS BEEN HEARD.
THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING OF THIS BOWL
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RIGHT HERE.I'M NOT HERE TO, YOU HAVE BUSINESS NEEDS.
I'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS 35 YEARS AND JUST THOUGHT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO INTO ANY HEATED DISCUSSION.
WE'RE GOING TO JUST DISCUSS THE FACTS.
IF YOU WANT TO TALK TO ME ABOUT THE FACTS, I'M HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE FACTS, BECAUSE I KNOW THE FACTS, EXCUSE ME, SIR.
OUR STAFF TELLS US THAT YOU DID NOT COMPLY WITH THE LETTER OF THE BUILDING PERMIT THAT YOU WERE ISSUED SIX MONTHS AGO, MR. MADDEN, YOU'RE TOO LATE.
I LIKE, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS PASS THIS TO YOU BECAUSE I'M SURE YOU HAD READ IT.
I LIKED, I LIKED FOR YOU TO READ IT.
I LIKE EITHER, LIKE FOR YOU TO READ IT, SOMEONE ON YOUR BOARD TO READ IT, I THINK IT'S TOO LATE.
I DON'T THINK THAT THEY, I THINK THE WRONG.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY? AND ONE QUESTION I ADDED UP ON, ON ONE OF THESE CHECKS THAT HAD BEEN WRITTEN FOR THEM MATERIALS, AND IT CAME TO OLD WAY, OVER $4,000.
WHAT HAVE THOSE MATERIALS BEEN USED FOR? WHAT KIND OF MATERIALS? I HAVEN'T REGISTERED.
ALL OF THE MATERIALS, LABOR THAT I'VE SPENT ON THAT JOB.
AND I WANT, I WANT THE BOARD TO SEE IT.
MR. MAN IS TELLING ME THAT WE HADN'T DONE IN THE WORK ON THE PROJECT.
AND WHAT I WANT MR. MANNOR TO DO IS READ WHAT THE CODE STATE THAT WORK IS.
AND I'VE GONE TO WESTERN SO THAT YOU CAN READ THAT TOO.
I'M NOT LOOKING TO WHAT WE, WHAT WE PRESENT TO THE BOARD TONIGHT.
IF YOU, IF YOU WOULD JUST TAKE A FEW MINUTES AND READING, AND THEN WE COULD TALK, WHY DIDN'T WE COME FORWARD WITH THIS A MONTH AGO, MR. MADELINE, MY NOTICE THAT WILL PUT ON MY DOOR WAS PUT UP THERE JUNE, JULY THE SEVENTH, BUT YOU KNEW THAT THE GOVERNMENT WOULD EXPIRE ON A CERTAIN DATE.
THEN YOU MR. MRS. MADELINE, THE LOW GS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE STATUTE, IT STATES THAT ONCE WORK
IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE LAW SAID, NOT MY LAW.
IS THIS BEFORE YOU IS BEFORE YOU, IF YOU WANT TO READ IT THE LOWEST BEFORE TONIGHT, HAVE YOU SEEN THE STATE RESPONSE OR THEY KNOW SOMEBODY PAST THE PAST? I HAVEN'T RECEIVED NO HABIT.
AND UNLIKE US, LIKE I SAY TO YOU TONIGHT, I'LL RECEIVE A NOTICE ON MY 2 17 28 WISER THAN THE STREET AFTER FIVE O'CLOCK.
OH, JULY THE SEVENTH ONE MENTAL CLOCK OF DEPARTMENT.
I THINK WE'RE BEYOND THE EXPLORATION BUILDING PERMIT.
THEREFORE, ALL THIS WRITTEN MATERIAL.
IF YOU'D HAD DONE THIS MUCH EARLIER IN THE PROCESS, WE WOULD HAVE HAD MORE TIME TO REVIEW THE RESPONSES AND TO HAVE SOME, UH, MORE INFORMATION SO WE CAN BASE OUR DECISION ON THAT.
AND WHAT WAS IT DATE? I HAVE A SPOT AT WORK AND I HAVE CONTINUED TO WORK RIGHT UP TO THIS POINT, BUT I CAN'T CONTINUE.
I CAN'T WORK NO LONGER, BUT COLD THAT BY NOON AT DISH DAY, I CAN DECIDED FOR A MISDEMEANOR AND I'M NOT GONNA, I'M NOT GONNA DO ANY MORE WORK UNTIL THIS MATTER IS RESOLVED.
IF YOU WANT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO TONIGHT.
I WANT TO REFER YOU TO THE NOTICE.
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I HAVE A COPY OF THE BUILDING PERMIT.UH, DO YOU GENTLEMEN HAVE, DO YOU HAVE, I WANT TO PASS IT AT ALL.
AS YOU CAN BE WILLING TO PERMIT, WE HAVE A STAFF MEMBER WHO KNOWS ALL ABOUT GOING FROM THIS.
HE HAS SUGGESTED THAT THE BUILDING PERMIT AND HE GAVE YOU SIX MONTHS AGO, RE READ THE PERMIT.
MISS AMANDA, READ IT IS BEFORE YOU READ IT.
THE STAFF TOO, I GUESS MAYBE INTERPRET THIS.
NO ONE GET WORKED ON INSTRUCTION.
OPTIMIZE IS NOT COMMENCED WITHIN SIX MONTHS.
ALL YOUR CONSTRUCTION OR WORK IS SUSPENDED OR BEN OR A PERIOD OF SIX MONTHS AT ANY TIME AFTER WORK IS STARTED.
SO YOUR QUESTION IS THAT YOU ARE REMOVING THE BAD PART OF YOUR BUILDING IS CONSIDERED WORK.
HOW MUCH YOU'RE SAYING, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WHAT I'VE DONE AT THE TIME WORK, BECAUSE I'M THE ONLY THE WESTERN.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT, WHAT THE SAY WORK IS AND REALLY THAT, WHAT DOES HE SAY? I'M SURE.
I'M SURE THAT WE MEET THE CRITERIA WORK.
MATT, MAY I REFER THAT QUESTION TO STACK?
THERE IS NO NEW CONSTRUCTION IN REGARDS AND IN REGARDS TO A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE IN TIMES PAST, I WOULD ALSO REFER YOU TO MR. FARA.
HERE'S A TIMESCALE, MR.
JOHNNY, DO WE ISSUE DEMOLITION PERMITS? HAVE WE ISSUED HIM ONE? OKAY, THANK YOU.
SO I GAVE HIM THE, UH, SAID THEY COULD REDO THE BUILDING IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME.
SO THE SIX MONTHS WAS MORE THAN ADEQUATE TO DO WHAT, UH, HE WAS SUPPOSED TO DO.
BUT AS FAR AS WORK ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISHED, HE HAS NOT COMPLETED MOTIVATION WORK IN ORDER TO EVEN CONSIDER, UH, WHAT HAPPENED IN JANUARY, SIR, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A SNOW BIG SNOW
AND MORE THAN SIX MONTHS TO MAKE SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS ON THAT BUILDING, IF ANY, UH, OBJECTIVE PERSON WOULD GO BY THERE, WHETHER THEY WERE AN ENGINEER OR JUST A TOURIST, THEY COULD SEE IT.
THERE WAS NEXT TO NO WORK HAD BEEN DONE TO WHAT THE REHABILITATION OF THOSE.
THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM AND SAY, BASED ON OUR OPINION OR MY OPINION, THERE HAS NOT BEEN SUFFICIENT WORK TO INDICATE TO US THAT YOU ARE REALLY DOING IT WITH DUE DILIGENCE.
YOUR OPINION, BASED ON, DID YOU SEE THE SCHEDULE OR THE MONEY TO THEN PAY FOR THE WORK BEEN DONE? HAVE YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THAT? FUCK.
I HAVE SEEN WHAT YOU HAVE DONE.
I, I ASKED YOU THAT YOU WILL WORK.
YOU HAVE NOT KEPT UP WITH THE SCHEDULE.
OKAY? WE'RE GETTING ANYWHERE WITH THIS.
LET ME, LET ME ASK THE QUESTION, MR. DOE, THE OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY.
WHAT ARE YOU PROPOSING TO US TONIGHT? THEN WE CAN CONTINUE TO WORK ON THE BILL.
NIKE BOUGHT BUILDING MATERIAL BACK TO LAST WEEK TO GET STARTED ON IT.
AND YOU ARE PROPOSING THAT WE JUST SO WE CAN TAKING ON THE BUILDINGS.
THIS DOESN'T MATCH THE QUESTION.
WHAT WAS THE LAST TIME? ANY TYPE OF WORK AT ALL ON THAT TO ME, PROBABLY ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO, PROBABLY TWO OR THREE DAYS.
OH, THE 23RD POINTED THIRD OF THE MONTH.
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READING THE, READ THEM, LITERALLY THIS BUILDING FOR ME STUFF.THIS IS HOW, BECAUSE THIS UNDER THIS PERMIT, IT SAYS THAT AS LONG AS THEY COMMENCED WORK WITHIN SIX MONTHS OR THEY DON'T SUSPEND WORK FOR SIX MONTHS, THAT, UH, THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO, UH, THEY'RE NOT IN VIOLATION OF THE PERMIT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT READ THIS, PLEASE? AND THEN GIVE THEM, GIVE US YOUR OPINION.
1 68 4 17 SHOT EXPIRED BY LIMITATION SIX MONTHS OR ANY LESSON TIME FIXED BY ORDINANCE TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
AFTER THE DATE OF ISSUANCE, IF THE WORK AUTHORIZED BY THE PERMIT HAS NOT BEEN COME IN AFTER COMMENCEMENT TO WORK DISCONTINUED FOR A PERIOD OF 12 MONTHS, PERIOD, THAT FOR SHOWING ME NO WORK OFF OF THAT GAME, BY ANY FERMENT THAT HAS EXPIRED, SHALL THERE TO BE PERFORMED TO THE NEW PERMIT HAS BEEN TAKING THE PRODUCTION PROFIT SO THAT THERE HAS BEEN NO WORK, NO BUILDING DONE ON THE DEPARTMENT.
THIS BUILDING PERMIT INCLUDES A NOTICE.
AND THIS IS WHAT ROBERT YOU ASKED YOU TO READ.
THIS PERMIT BECOMES NULL AND VOID AT WORK.
WELL, CONSTRUCTION AUTHORIZED IS NOT CONVINCED WITHIN SIX MONTHS OR IN CONSTRUCTION OR WORK IS SUSPENDED OR ABANDONED FOR A PERIOD OF SIX MONTHS AT ANY TIME HAVE TO WORK AND START TAKING POSSESSION THAT THAT WORK HAD NOT BEEN COMMENCED.
AND THEREFORE THE BILL IN FRONT OF ME HAS EXPIRED.
AND THEREFORE YOU CANNOT CONTINUE TO DO THE WORK WITHOUT A NEW PERMIT.
AND I WAS HANDED, DID IT WRITTEN ON THE BOTTOM OF THE COPY OF THE LETTER? THE NORTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT OF INSURANCE DOES NOT HAVE STATUTORY TO HANDLE A FIELD LOCAL GOVERNMENT ENFORCEMENT, GENERAL STATUTES RAN INTO LOCAL GOVERNMENT, NORTH CAROLINA.
THAT'S WHAT, BUT UNDERSTAND THAT WE DEAL WITH STASHES DOESN'T DEAL WITH SCRATCHES COURT HAS TO DEAL WITH SPECIAL STUFF.
I THINK WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE IS THE LACK OF PROGRESS BASED ON A LEGITIMATE BUILDING PERMIT THAT YOU WERE GIVEN SIX MONTHS AGO, WHERE THERE HAS NOT BEEN IN ACCORDANCE WITH JUST AN OBJECTIVE REVIEW.
THERE HAS NOT BEEN SUFFICIENT WORK DONE INDICATE THAT YOU WERE SINCERE AND KEEPS GETTING THIS WORK DONE.
SO I DON'T THINK THE RECORDS SHOW THAT, OKAY.
SO HE'S CONSIDERED WORK AS TEARING DOWN, FIX HIM UP.
HE'S IN A TEARING DOWNSTAGE NOW ROTTEN THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
THEN ONCE HE TEARS IT DOWN AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 12 UNITS THAT WE'VE DONE THAT TOO.
SHOULD WE
THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION IS NOT THAT HE HAS NOT MET THE DEADLINE.
WHEN HE SUBMITTED TO US IN SEC COLA, DISCREET, THEY WILL BE SUBMITTED TO OUR OFFICE BACK IN NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR.
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I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO LISTEN TO THE FULL WEEK BEFORE I MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE, WE HAVE AN ENGINEER.
AND I LIKE TO ASK MR. DAN HE'S A CIVIL ENGINEER, ASKED HIM TO COME FORWARD AND MAYBE YOU AND ALL OF THEM.
I THINK WE HAVE GONE BEYOND THE GETTING INPUT FROM YOUR ENGINEER.
HE'S KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON.
I WOULD, I WOULD HOPE THAT THE BOARD WOULD YOU ENTERTAIN.
IT'S NOT, WE'VE GOT, WE WOULD LIKE TO DEPEND ON OUR STAFF, UH, EXPERTS THAT TELL US WHAT PROGRESS IS AND PROGRESS HAS NOT BEEN MADE.
DO YOU KNOW, DO YOU KNOW THAT YOUR STAFF, DO YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S A, THAT WAS A NOTICE OF A COMPLAINT AGAINST YOUR STAFF? I BELIEVE YOU'VE MADE OTHER COMPLAINTS AGAINST THE STATE.
I'M ONLY DEALING WITH THE CURRENT SITUATION RIGHT NOW.
IT'S ON YOU, MR. DE IS YOUR PROPERTY AND MR. DELAHUNT IS DOING THE CONSTRUCTION.
HE'S GOING TO CONSTRUCTION AND HE'S DOING IT RIGHT.
AND UM, YOU BELIEVE THAT YOUR CONTRACTOR HAS DONE WORK WITHIN THE LAST TWO? WELL, I WAS AWARE ABOUT THAT SIX MONTHS.
I WASN'T AWARE THAT I THOUGHT IT WAS, WELL, I THOUGHT, WAIT A MINUTE.
ON THE SIX MONTHS, I DID NOT KNOW THAT IF NO NEW CONSTRUCTION WAS SIX MONTHS HAD BEEN BORED.
YOU THOUGHT IT MEANT I'M INTERPRETING IT? I DON'T KNOW A LOT.
AND I GUESS WE'RE GETTING HUNG UP ON WHAT WE CONSIDER WORK OR CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR, NEITHER MOM COOK.
YOU WERE I'M OF THE IMPRESSION THAT YOU HAD A YEAR TO DO WORK IN CONSTRUCTION, RIGHT? THAT'S THAT WAS THAT'S THE IMPRESSION I WAS ON BECAUSE I'D NEVER GOT THE, GOT THE BILL OF MATERIAL.
BUT I THERE LAST WEEK AND I TALKED TO MR. FREEZE EARLY TODAY AND HE, HE ASKED ME ABOUT WHY I HADN'T AUDITED BEFORE WE ALL, I GUESS, IF YOU ALL GIVING ME ANOTHER CHANCE OR ANOTHER PERMIT, I ORDERED THE LUMBER AND EVERYTHING AND GIVE IT TO YOU AND LET YOU SEE THIS ALL.
AND YOU WILL MAKE SURE THAT THE, AND THIS TIME YOU WILL KNOW THAT YOU HAVE TO DO CONSTRUCTION, RIGHT?
THEY GIVE YOU ALL OF THAT MODEL.
WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THIS SINCE FEBRUARY OF 99 AND THEN HAD ANOTHER MEETING IN MAY OF 99.
AND YOU WERE WELL AWARE OF WHAT WAS REQUIRED TO REHAB THAT BUILDING.
WE ASKED YOU IF YOU HAD THE MONEY, YOU SAID YOU HAD PLENTY OF MONEY.
SO
HE'S BEEN AWARE OF THE SITUATION EVER SINCE, AT LEAST FEBRUARY OF 99.
SO YOU CAN'T CLAIM THE FACT THAT YOU AREN'T AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON TODAY? I WASN'T AWARE OF IT.
I THINK, I THINK WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS LONG ENOUGH.
NOW WE WANT TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION AND TALK TO, I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN SINCE THE LAST RESIDENT MOVED OUT OF THAT BUILDING? I DON'T HAVE.
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PUBLIC HEARING, SIR.I'M A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.
MR. DILLON CAME BEFORE THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS.
WE SAID, YOU'LL HAVE TO DO WHAT THE BUILDING INSPECTOR SAYS.
DO WE ASK HIM TO SIT? DO YOU HAVE THE MONEY TO FRANK? YES.
THEN NOW EVERYBODY THAT COME BEFORE THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT HAS A RIGHT TO APPEAL, BUT IT HAS TO GO TO THE COURT SYSTEM.
IT DOES NOT COME BACK BEFORE THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN.
I LOOKED FOR MY ALDERMAN AND I COULDN'T LOCATE IS TRUE.
SO I TALKED TO ANOTHER ULTIMATE AND I ASKED HIM HOW YOU CAN DO THIS WORK FOR DUB AS A PERSONAL FRIEND OF A COUPLE OF US ON THE BOARD.
AND WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AFTER A FRIEND.
THEN MS. LEE, THERE'S FOUR OF THEM UP THERE AND, AND I NOTICED THE FREE AND THEN THE ALL GOING TO MEET IT.
WHEN MR. UH, DYLAN TOLD US AT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MEETING, THAT HE HAD THE MONEY BOARD OF ALL OF THEM ASKED IF THEY HAD THE MONEY.
THEY SAID, NO, WE HAVE APPLIED FOR A LOAN.
THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT LOOKED AT THE FACT THAT WE PLAYED WITH THIS SITE FOR A LONG TIME.
AND I MASKED IN MILD TO TAKE IT DOWN.
I'VE ONLY BEEN IN FINE CITY NINE YEARS.
I'VE BEEN COMING BACK FORTH ALMOST 14.
THE HOUSE ON NEW STREET, THAT'S MY HOUSE PAIN.
SO, SO SEE, DO DIFFERENT COLORS.
IT'S CALLED A NEW PAINT, BUT I THINK IT'S TIME.
I MEAN, WE WERE GIVEN A JOB TO DO, AND I THINK WE DID THE JOB.
WE'D GIVE HIM EVERY OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE HE TOLD US THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MEETING.
HE COULD BRING IT UP TO CODE WITHIN THE GIVEN TIME.
MR. CLARK, DAVID, THANK YOU, SIR.
ANY OTHER COMPLAINTS, COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION IS WE PLAYED IT WHEN I GOT TO DETERMINE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.
I THINK WE HAVE A MORTGAGE ON THE BOOKS THAT SAYS WE'RE GOING TO DEMOLISH THE FIRST STREET APARTMENTS.
AND THAT WAS HELD OFF BECAUSE WE HAD, UH, WE GAVE YOU A DELAY.
WE GAVE YOU MORE TIME TO COMPLY WITH WHAT WE RE REASONABLY BELIEVED WOULD BE TIME TO REHAB THE BUILDINGS.
NOW I'D LIKE TO MAKE A SUGGESTION THAT WE VOTE ON THAT BECAUSE THERE HAS ALREADY BEEN VOTED ON A DEMOLITION ORDER TO TEAR DOWN THE BUILDING.
WE LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT WE'RE GOING TO EXECUTE THAT DEMOLITION ORDER POST-TENURE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
AND THE, ALL THE APPEAL RIGHTS HAVE BEEN ARE OVER BECAUSE WE WANT TO DEMOLISH THE BUILDING OR WE'RE GOING TO, WE'VE ALREADY VOTED TO DEMOLISH THE BUILDINGS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
I LEFT FOR YOU TO DEFINE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE THAT'S TOMORROW WITH POSSIBLE.
WE HAVE MADE A DECISION AND WE'RE GOING TO EXECUTE.
USUALLY THAT HAPPENS SOMETIME HAPPENED THE NEXT DAY.
UH, WHAT, WHAT IS ART? WHAT IS IT? WAS IT PROCESSED? OUR PROCESS IS TO DO IT EXPEDITIONS PLAY.
THERE'S NO PARTICULAR PROCEDURE ABOUT HOW MUCH TIME IS INVOLVED IN FROM ONE THING TO THE OTHER AND GOING PLACE.
IT'S UH, IF WE HAVE THE THINGS IN PLACE TO DO IT, THEN WE DO IT.
UH, I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU TONIGHT WHILE YOU'RE SITTING THERE.
DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU HAVE THINGS IN PLACE TO DO IT TOMORROW? HAVE THINGS IN PLACE TO DO IT TOMORROW MORNING? YEAH, YOU DO.
I'M UNDERSTANDING AS THE RULING OF THIS BOARD AND THAT WILL BE EXECUTED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
WELL, CAN I GOT BRAND NEW BUILDING MATERIAL ON, OUT THERE ON THE GROUND? PICK IT UP? UM, WELL WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH SECOND
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EMOTION THAT WE JUST CONTINUE TO WORK WITH.IF WE CONTINUE TO TRY TO WORK WITH YOU FOLKS.
YOU ALL ROLLING?
WHO GOES WITH THE DEMOLITION OR CALL? UM, NO.
YES,
IT HAS SOME PROCEDURES THAT STILL NEED TO BE WORKED THROUGH.
WE DIDN'T GET OUR DUCKS IN A ROW ON THAT, OR NEEDS TO BE REDONE.
WITHDRAWAL ALL THAT AND THEN GET TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.
EIGHT, NINE, AND 10, PLEASE CALL
I WOULD GO WITH AN X WITH THE APPOINTMENTS, THE SLEEP.
MISCELLANEOUS ONE QUICK MENTION, CONSIDERING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED HERE TONIGHT, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE LORD FOR THE WONDERFUL WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE BY HABITAT FOR HUMANITY, BECAUSE THEY HAVE DONE A MAGNIFICENT JOB BUILDING SOME REALLY NICE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE OF LIMITED IN THE COMPANY.
IT HASN'T TAKEN 10 YEARS TO DO IT.
UH, THE BOARD HERE, A WHILE BACK WHEN THEY WERE APPROPRIATE OUT OF THE BEDROOMS TO GET AS A BASE FOR THE VETERANS TO HAVE A SET FOR VETERANS, OUR, UH, ORGANIZATION BUILDING, UH, WE MET WITH SOME OF THEM AND LOOK THROUGH THE, UH, OVERALL THIS AREA AT THE FIRE STATION WAS A TEMPORARY LOCATION.
IF IT GOES ALONG WITH THE LETTING THEM USE THAT TO BUILD IT ON A TEMPORARY BASIS, THEY WOULD LIKE TO GET THE BOARD APPROVED, TO GO IN ON THEIR OWN AND DO SOME INSIDE IT, PROVEN AND MODIFICATIONS ON THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING AND WOULD LIKE PROBABLY GETTING THEIR INFORMATION TOGETHER AND GETTING WITH DANNY ON A LEASE AT ALL TO HAVE THE ON 30 DAY PERIOD.
SO THEY CAN DO THIS WORK WHILE THEY GET THEIR MONEY AS AN ALTOGETHER.
AND AFTER THAT, THEY'LL SIGN THE LEASE AND TAKE OVER WITH THE MAINTENANCE OF THE BOARD.
SO DESIRE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM DO THIS.
WE SAID, WE FOUND A PLACE AND THIS WILL HAVE A PLACE FOR ALL THE VETERANS GROUPS CAN GET TOGETHER AT ONE.
DO I NEED THAT AS A PROMOTION? I'LL MAKE IT A MOTION THAT WE, UH, WE GRANT THEM THE USE OF THIS BUILDING AND 30 DAYS WORTH OF UTILITIES TO, UH, UH, YOU HAVE A SEC.
I WAS ABOUT TO, BUT THAT'S FINE.
ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT THIS, BUT ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT, ON THIS SUBJECT? WELL, THE BOARD ASKED THAT WE FIND A PLACE FOR THE VENDOR.
AND SO WE FOUND, WE THOUGHT WE HAD SOMETHING IN THE BASEMENT, BUT IT WAS NOT GOING TO WORK OUT.
THERE'S TOO MANY DISABLED VETERANS AND IT WAS NOT QUITE ENOUGH SPACE.
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IS A FACILITY.IT SHOULD NOT, I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED A PERMANENT FACILITY FOR THIS ORGANIZATION.
HOWEVER, FOR A SHORT TERM YEAR OR TWO LEASE, IF THEY WANT TO USE IT, UH, AS LONG AS THEY TAKE IT UNDER THE SAME CONDITIONS, ALL OF OUR OTHER LEASEES HAVE, THEN I DON'T HAVE ANY REAL PROBLEMS WITH THEM DOING.
WE DON'T NEED EVERYBODY IN FAVOR.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE CITY'S PARTICIPATION IN THE 4TH OF JULY CELEBRATION DOWN AT UNION.
FOR ME, I THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT EXPERIENCE.
THE WEATHER COOPERATED, THE MARINE BAND DID A SUPER JOB.
AND I THINK EVERYBODY HAD A GOOD TIME.
AND I SUGGESTED I'D LIKE TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR DOING IT AGAIN NEXT YEAR.
BUT THAT ON THE, COULD WE, WOULD IT BE AN ORDER TO SEND A LETTER TO THANKING THE MARINE CORPS FOR THEIR PARTICIPATION? BECAUSE THE MUSIC WAS ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC.
I THOUGHT IT'S SOMETHING TO BRING BEFORE THE BOARD, THE COMMUNITY OF PLEASANT HILL, TRYING TO GET SUPPORT FROM THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND PAVING THE ROAD FROM WHICH THEY LIVE.
NOW, WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS THAT THE ROAD HAS BEEN TARRED OR PAVED OR WHATEVER YOU CALL IT ALL THE WAY UP TO THAT FORK AND THAT TRADEMARK AREA WHERE YOU TURN TO THE RIGHT AND THEN IT'S RAGGEDY AND BUMPY AND TERRIBLE AS IT GOES ALONG WHERE THE RESIDENTS LIVE.
THEN AS A GUEST, BEYOND THE RESIDENTS IN THE CITY OF NEWBURGH, IT HAS BEEN TARRED AGAIN WHERE THE COMMUNITY KIND OF WONDER WHY THEY CAN'T HAVE TAUGHT ON THAT ROAD, WHICH IS, WHICH IS RIGHT IN THE CITY OF NEWBURGH.
THEY HAVE THESE BIG TRUCKS COMING THROUGH THERE.
IT'S BEEN OVER 30 YEARS SINCE THEY RE UH, PAVED THAT PARTICULAR HIGHWAY.
WELL, THE COMMUNITY CALL FOR, UH, REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE STATE TO COME AND THEY CAME AND WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IS SPRINKLED SOME TOP ALONG THE ROAD, YOU KNOW? SO IT DON'T QUITE SO BAD, BUT IT STILL BUMPS.
HOW WAS THIS WONDERING IF I COULD SOLICIT THE SUPPORT OF THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN IN ASKING THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA TO TAKE A SERIOUS CONSIDERATION FOR TYLER NET ROAD? OKAY.
I'D APPRECIATE YOUR COOPERATION IN THAT RESPECT, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, IN MY OPINION AND OPINION OF OTHERS THAT IS MOST NEEDED IN THAT PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE SAME TYPE OF SURFACE THEY HAD OUT THERE ON YES, THAT'S IT.
THIS IS A PROJECT THAT IS, LEE IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT ON, THIS IS A, THIS IS A DISGRACE THAT THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA WOULD LET A ROAD GET IN A CONDITION THAT IT'S IN OUT THERE.
THEY JUST PAVED OLD CHERRY POINT ROAD TWICE.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE THEY COULD FIND ENOUGH MONEY IN THEIR BUDGET TO PAVE A ROAD THAT REALLY NEEDS IT TERRIBLY ONCE.
AND SO I THINK WE ALL TO SEND THAT LETTER TO THEM.
WE OFTEN SEND IT TO THEM IN THE STRONGEST POSSIBLE TERMS. AND WE OUGHT TO COPY BOB MADDIX.
I WANT TO TELL YOU, BECAUSE THAT IS A DISGRACE, THAT PIECE OF ROAD OUT THERE, THE RESOLUTION OR WHATEVER THAT YOU CAN ADOPT.
I AGREE WITH WE THAT WE SUPPORT.
I MEAN, THERE'S LIKE WHEN WE GO OUT TO COMMUNITY MEETINGS, THERE ARE THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE, OR FIVE OR SIX, MAYBE 10 OTHER RESIDENTS WHO ARE MAKING THIS REQUEST.
IT SEEMS ALL OF THEM FEEL THAT WAY, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY ALL DON'T VOICE IT.
AND THEN THE STATE COME AND SAY, WELL, WE GOT YOU ON THE LIST AND YOU NUMBER 9,999, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THING AFTER 30 YEARS OF NEVER EVER RESURFACING THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S DELIBERATE.
YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH THEY SAY THAT THIS IS NOT, AND I'M, I'M A HUMANITARIAN, I LIKE TO BELIEVE THAT IT'S NOT, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S DELIBERATE FOR ONLY THIS PATCH OF HIGHWAY, NOT TO HAVE BEEN, TO BE SERVING.
AND I THINK OUR REPRESENTATIVES LOCAL REPRESENTATIVES SHOULD BE ALSO CONTACTED ABOUT THIS.
BUT I THINK, I THINK A REVOLUTION WAS SHOW THAT THE ENTIRE BOARD SUPPORT WAS ISSUE.
AND I THINK IT MIGHT BE BEST FOR THE RESOLUTION TO BE DRAFTED, TO BE ADOPTED OUT NEXT TO ME, THAT WAY WE CAN SEND A RESOLUTION ALONG WITH A COVER LETTER AND PERHAPS MAYBE COPY OUR REPRESENTATIVE AND LET THEM KNOW THAT, UH,
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THIS MATTER NEEDS IMMEDIATE, UH, CHANTING AND LOBBYING.HOW ABOUT IF WE DO THIS? HOW ABOUT IF WE GO AHEAD AND HAVE DANNY SEND A LETTER TO THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, INDICATED TO THEM THAT SERIOUS NEED HERE AND TELLING THEM THAT WE INTEND TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION AT THE NEXT MEETING, AND THEN WE'LL GET THAT READY FOR YOU AND BRING IT TO THAT COMMUNITY.
ALSO I'D LIKE FOR DANNY, IF IT COULD BE, IF YOU WOULD ASK MR. MADISON, HE WAS SIT WITH US, WE'D GIVE HIM SOME COOKIES AND A SODA.
THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE FEEL ABOUT THAT.
THEY LEAVE THAT THEY BELIEVE WE SHOULD PUT REASON TOGETHER.
WE'RE TAKEN FOR A RIDE IN MY TRUCK AND HE CAN SIT ON THE BACK AND WE WOULD GO FROM PLEASANT HILL, MR. MAYOR PRO TEM.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT AT ALL.
IT SEEMS THAT I READ IN A STATE DOCUMENT, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF WORK ON LYNN BURNING ON SEVENTH STREET AND EVERYTHING.
AND THAT WHEN THOSE ARE PAVED, THAT THAT SECTION IS INCLUDED, BUT I AM NOT POSITIVE.
WELL, I SAID, I AGREE WITH THE RESOLUTION.
I STARTED OUT BY SAYING THAT WHEN, WHEN, WHEN I FIRST HEARD OF THIS ALDERMAN FREEZE, WHEN, WHEN I FIRST HEARD OF THIS, I, I HAD RECEIVED THE LETTER FROM THE NCD OT ON WHAT WAS GOING TO BE RESURFACED THIS YEAR.
AND JUST LOOKING AT IT VERY QUICKLY.
IT LOOKED LIKE ALL OF THAT SECTION WAS GOING TO BE PAID, BUT, UH, THEIR, THEIR INTENT IN, IN THIS BUDGET IS TO PAY WHAT THEY DID OUT BY MARTIN.
MARIETTA TO BEAMAN FOR, UH, SOUTHLAND BARNEY WILL BE RESURFACED THAT THEY'VE CUT UP AND, AND PATCHED.
AND FIRST STREET WILL BE RESURFACED.
WELL, THEY USUALLY PUT UP THOSE ORANGE SIGNS, COVER THEM UNTIL THEY'RE READY TO DO IT.
WHAT THEY DID IS, WELL, THEY WENT IN AFTER THE COMMUNITY MEETING AND THEY DID DO SOME FOOD THAT PATCHING THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT.
THEY'VE DONE SOME FOOLS, THAT PATTERN, BUT IT IT'S STILL A PATCHED ROAD.
IT DEFINITELY NEEDS SOME ATTENTION.
I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT AT ALL.
NOW WE'RE GETTING DOWN TO THE CITY MANAGERS TO REPORT.
IF YOU BREAK IT, THE MAYOR, GET YOU.