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WE THANK YOU TONIGHT FOR THE PRIVILEGE TOGETHER TOGETHER.
WE THANK YOU FOR THESE WHO SERVE THE, AND SERVE US IN THIS CITY.
WE PRAY THAT YOU'LL GIVE THEM WISDOM AND COURAGE AND STRENGTH.
WE PRAY THAT YOU'LL NOT ONLY BLESS THEM AND THEIR OFFICIAL DUTIES HERE, BUT THEIR FAMILIES, THEIR HOMES, THEIR LOVED ONES.
WE PRAY FOR THE FOLKS WHO LOST THEIR LOVED ONES IN THE CRASH OF THE AIRLINER.
TODAY, WE PRAY FATHER THAT YOU'D BLESS AND COMFORT THEM, REMINDING US ALL THAT IT IS APPOINTED UNTO MAN WANTS TO DIE.
AND AFTER THAT, THE JUDGMENT, MY FATHER HIGH PRAY YOUR BLESSINGS UPON EACH AND EVERYONE, THE GRIEVING AND SUFFERING TONIGHT, WE PRAY, ESPECIALLY AGAIN FOR GREAT WISDOM AND COURAGE AND STRENGTH FOR THIS GROUP AS THEY MEET TOGETHER TONIGHT.
WE'LL THANK YOU FOR IT IN JESUS NAME.
FIRST THING WE HAVE TO STILL REPORT EVEN THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN TREATED A TOTAL OF 105 MILLION GALLONS OF WASTEWATER DURING THE MONTH OF JUNE WITH AN AVERAGE DAILY FLOW OF 3.5, 2 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.
SECOND QUARTER PHOSPHORUS AVERAGE THROUGH THE MONTH OF JUNE WAS 1.46 MILLIGRAMS PER LITER, WHICH WAS IN COMPLIANCE.
THE SUSPENDED SOLIDS REMOVAL EFFICIENCY FOR THE MONTH OF JUNE WAS 89.7%.
THE BIOLOGICAL OXYGEN DEMAND REMOVAL WAS 92.2%.
BOTH OF THOSE WERE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE NPDS REQUIREMENT OF 85% REMOVAL.
THAT PLANT WAS IN COMPLIANCE ON ALL PARAMETERS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF TOXICITY, WHICH FAILED DUE TO HIGH AMMONIA.
AND WE HAVE, UM, UH, ASKED FOR A, UM, SOC, UH, FOR THAT, WHICH IS, UH, A REQUEST TO DO AWAY WITH THAT PARTICULAR PARAMETER OF OUR MPDS PERMIT UNTIL OUR NEW PLANT IS BUILT.
UH, THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT DESIGNED TO BRING YOU UP TO DATE ON THAT.
UM, IT IS STILL IN THE HANDS OF THE STATE, UH, REVIEWING AGENCY.
UH, WE'RE EXPECTING A, UM, LIST OF, UH, COMMENTS TO BE GIVEN TO US BY THE STATE, BY THE 15TH OF AUGUST, SOMEWHERE IN THAT WEEK.
UM, I TALKED WITH THE GENTLEMAN WHO'S DOING THAT REVIEW, UM, LAST FRIDAY.
AND, UH, HE IS WELL OVER HALFWAY AND MOVING WITH THAT.
UM, ALSO THE, UM, UH, NEWBURN RECLAMATION PROJECT AT THE, UH, OLD QUARRY SITE IS PROGRESSING.
UM, WE HAVE, UM, MADE SOME MODIFICATIONS AND SENT SOME DATA BACK TO THE DAM SAFETY THAT THEY HAVE REQUESTED.
UH, WE ANTICIPATE, UM, PROBABLY ANOTHER TWO OR THREE WEEKS AND WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE HOPING WE WILL GET A PERMIT ON THESE LAST COMMENTS IN THE LAST, UH, ITEMS OF SUBMISSION THAT WE SENT TO THEM.
UH, THE GENTLEMAN THAT I WAS SPEAKING WITH IS IN CONSTRUCTION GRANTS AND LOANS IS ALSO STATED THAT, UH, IT APPEARS THAT WE'RE NEAR, UM, AN AGREEMENT WITH THE STATE TO GET US A PERMIT TO BUILD THAT PROJECT.
UM, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD BE, UH, GETTING A PERMIT WITHIN THE NEXT FOUR TO SIX WEEKS WOULD BE MY ANTICIPATION.
AT THIS POINT IN TIME, YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
DAVID DOES THE RAIN THAT WE AVE PROCEEDING PROBLEMS WITH, UH, WITH OUR PLANTS ON THE AMOUNT OF WATER AND WE'RE GETTING, UM, OUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN DOES HAVE INFILTRATION AND INFLOW, BUT, UH, WE'RE NOT HAVING ANY MAJOR PROBLEMS. UM, NONE MORE THAN NORMAL.
A COUPLE OF DAYS AFTER A RAINFALL EVENT LIKE WE'VE HAD HERE, WE'LL HAVE HIGH FLOWS.
UM, BUT NONE OF THESE EVENTS HAVE REALLY CAUSED US ANY OPERATIONAL PROBLEMS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ONE QUESTION I HAVE, I PASSED IT THE OTHER DAY, THE RAIN, YOU WERE STANDING ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, AND I THINK IT WAS CHANNEL 12 WAS THAT INTERVIEW AND THE RAIN WAS COMING DOWN BIG AS BASEBALL.
AND I THOUGHT THAT IT LOOKED TO ME, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THE RANGE YOU HAD WELL IN HAND, WHATEVER IT WAS.
SO OUT OF YOUR WAY, I MEAN, I DIDN'T STOP, BUT, UH, I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT ANY THING, WHAT EXACTLY IT WAS THAT, UH, YES, I, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON THAT.
UM, OUR CREWS WERE THERE, UM, DOING REHABILITATION WORK ON A LEAK, UH,
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FOR SERVICE, UM, THERE, IN THAT AREA.AND WHILE THEY WERE WORKING, UM, THE CORPORATION STOP, WHICH IS A BRASS PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT WE ACTUALLY SCREW INTO A PIECE OF PIPE TO RUN A POLYETHYLENE LINE OVER TO THE SERVICE AND SET A METER, UH, ACTUALLY BLEW OUT OF THE FITTING.
AND IT HAPPENED TO BE CAST IRON PIPE AND HAD BEEN SCREWED DIRECTLY IN THE BIT WHEN IT BLEW OUT, WE HAD, UH, YOU CAME BY JUST AFTER THE FACT WE HAD WATER SHOOTING IN THE AIR, PROBABLY 70, 80 FEET IN THE AIR.
AND, UH, UNFORTUNATELY WE, UH, HAD SOME VALVES THAT WERE FROZEN THAT WE COULD NOT GET THE WATER SHUT DOWN ON THE PIPE TO REPAIR, UH, WITHOUT DOING IT UNDER PRESSURE.
SO WHAT HAPPENED IS OUR MEN DUG OUT THE HOLE, PUT A BAND CLAMP ON IT, LOOSE LISA SLIDE ON THE PIPE, UH, SLID THAT THING IN, IN, UH, TWO POSITION AND TIGHTEN THE BOLTS ON IT.
AND I JUST WANT TO HEAR ON TV 10, UH, GIVE THOSE GUYS A LOT OF PRAISE, UH, AS, UH, MR. MATTINGLY SAID EARLIER THIS EVENING, UH, IT NEVER SEEMS THAT WE HAVE A, A REAL EMERGENCY IN GOOD WEATHER.
AND, UH, I'LL, I'LL TAKE THAT A STEP FURTHER AND SAY ANY EMERGENCY WE HAVE ANY EMERGENCY THAT WE HAVE IS NEVER PLEASANT BECAUSE WE'RE EITHER DEALING WITH SEWER.
WE'RE DEALING WITH A GREAT DEAL OF WATER, ONE OF THE TWO, AND, UH, THE GUYS THAT ARE IN THE WATER AND SEWER DEPARTMENT DO A TREMENDOUS JOB, UH, KEEPING, UH, WATER, GOING TO THE CITIZENS AND SEWER FLOWING DOWNHILL.
IF I MAY ADD TO THAT, JUST TO HEAR WHAT A AS WELL THEY HAVE SOMEBODY ACCIDENTALLY PUNCHED A HOLE IN THE WATER MAIN, I THINK IT WAS.
AND WE WERE AT A WARD ON A SATURDAY AND Y'ALL HAD TO CALL THE GUYS AND THEN IT WASN'T POURING DOWN RAIN.
THEY WERE OUT THERE WORKING IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THAT RAIN, ALL THE TRAFFIC, ALL IT CITIZENS, PROBABLY ASKING THEM EVERY THREE MINUTES.
WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET THE WATER? I KNOW WAS BECAUSE THE WIFE WAS ASKING ME AND THEREFORE I NEVER LIE AND YOU PASS IT OFF.
BUT ANYWAY, I THANKED HIM AND I TOLD HIM THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL THE PEOPLE DO REALLY NEED TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE THEY HAVE WORKING WITH THE CITY, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN THE MAYOR SINCE 93, ALTHOUGH IT SEEMS A LOT LONGER.
AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF THE SAME TIME THEY FAILED TO MEET THE ENEMY AND MAKING THEIRS.
AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE JOB.
I'M SURE THE REST OF THE BOARD CREDIT GOES TO THOSE FOLKS.
THEY DO A GREAT JOB AND WE APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THE NEXT TIME, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU CAP OFF THAT HIGH, BUT WHATEVER IT WAS, LET THE POLITICAL GUY GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO JUMP, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT'S ALL OVER IT.
WELL, I, I DIDN'T SEE IT WITH YOUR RAIN COAT AND EVERYTHING STANDING OUT THERE.
MR. MAYOR WAS JUST DRIVING BY, I WAS THERE WATCHING THE GUYS WORK AND I HADN'T SEEN A GEYSER WHICH WENT UP ABOVE THE POWER LINES.
I MEAN, IT WAS LIKE OLD FAITHFUL GUYS ARE HERE IN NEWBURGH, BUT THOSE FELLOWS JUST KEPT WORKING AND TRYING TO GET THE JOB DONE.
AND I'M SURE THEY WERE WET THROUGH AND THROUGH.
AND THEN DAVID COMES OVER TO MY TRUCK AND I WOULDN'T EVEN ROLL THE WINDOW DOWN BECAUSE I DON'T EVEN WANT TO GET WET.
NEXT THING WE HAVE IS A HAZARD MITIGATION REPORT, CORRECT PLANNING AND HIS PARTNER.
I MISSED YOU ALL THE LAST TIME I WAS OUT OF TOWN.
UH, I'VE PLACED A COPY OF MY NOTES AT EACH ONE OF YOUR PLACES AS WE GO THROUGH AT THE LAST BOARD MEETING YOU JUNE 27TH BOARD MEETING, UM, WE PRESENTED A BID ZONE.
THE FIRST, I THINK, FIVE HOUSES, UH, AS YOU RECALL, THOSE BIDS WILL HIGH, UH, TO THE POINT THAT WE WERE GOING TO TRY TO GET REDUCTIONS SOMEHOW TO GET THEM LOWERED WITH A SOMETHING WE COULD WORK WITH.
WE HAVE, UH, BEEN THROUGH THE FUNDING AGENCY, UH, DIVISION OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.
UH, THEY HAVE SAID THAT THIS IS A STATEWIDE PROBLEM.
IT'S NOT A EASTERN NORTH CAROLINA PROBLEM.
THEY'RE HAVING TREMENDOUS DIFFICULTIES IN HOW TO DEAL WITH MOST, ALL THESE ELEVATION PROGRAMS, HAVING PRICES HIGHER THAN WHAT THEY BUDGETED FOR IN THESE FRAN HMGP APPLICATIONS.
UH, AND, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOOKING AT THINGS ON THEIR LEVEL TO TRY TO FIND SOME WAY TO REDUCE COSTS.
UH, THE ONE THING THEY DID NOT COMMIT IS MORE MONEY TO WHAT WE NEEDED.
SO, UH, IN AN EFFORT TO TRY TO FIND A WAY TO,
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TO REDUCE THESE COSTS, UH, I MET FOR SEVERAL HOURS WITH THE FUNDING AGENCY.THEY HAVE AGREED TO REDUCE THE FINISHED FLOOR, ELEVATION HEIGHT FROM 13.0 FEET NOW TO 12.0 FEET.
AND YOU ALL ARE, I'M SURE FAMILIAR THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD ELEVATION OUT THERE IS AT 9.1.
AND I THINK YOUR ORDINANCE HAS ONE, ONE FOOT OF FREE BOARD TO TAKE IT TO 10.
UM, I TRIED TO BEG THEM DOWN TO 11, BUT THEY, THEY PRETTY MUCH WERE STUCK ON 12, UH, CAUSE THAT'S WHERE THEY DID WHAT THEY CALL THEIR BENEFIT COST RATIOS.
UH, WHY THIS WAS SIGNIFICANT IS THAT THIS FOOT TAKES THESE, UH, FOUNDATION CURTAIN WALLS BELOW EIGHT FEET.
AND WE DISCUSSED IT SOME LAST MONTH, UH, THAT WHEN YOU GOT OVER THE EIGHT FEET, YOU, YOU REALLY TURNED INTO A DIFFERENT DESIGN, UH, USING THE HEAVIER BLOCKS AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
UM, SO WE WILL HAVE A COST REDUCTION THERE.
UH, I WOULD QUESTION WHETHER IT WOULD BE ENOUGH.
I ASK YOU, DOES THAT MEAN YOU'VE GOT TO GO BACK AND READ HIS AD FIRST AND YOU JUST PUT THEM ON THEM, THEM SIDE OF THE SPACE ON THE BID PACKAGE, OR YOU GOT TO GET BACK AND LEAVE IT.
WELL, WE REALLY HAVE, WE REALLY HAVE TWO CHOICES WITH THAT.
WE CAN NEGOTIATE WITH THE CONTRACTORS WHO WOULD BE AT, IN, IN MR. WARD'S, YOU KICK IN WITH ME, UM, WHERE YOU THINK WE WERE APPROPRIATE AND NOT APPROPRIATE.
UH, BUT WHAT WOULD BE ANTICIPATED IS TO GO WITH THE CONTRACT WHO SUBMITTED THE BID, TRYING TO NEGOTIATE A REASONABLE CREDIT FOR THE REDESIGN AND FOR THE LOWER ELEVATION.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE PRELIMINARILY WITH THEM.
ARE THERE OTHER ITEMS THAT THEY HAVE PUT IN, SAY THEIR RETROFIT, WHERE THEY PLAN ON PUTTING, SIDING ALL OVER A WHOLE HOUSE BECAUSE THEY HAD TO REPLACE ASBESTOS SIDING WHERE WE CAN GET SUBMIT SHINGLES AND PUT ON NEGOTIATE, THOSE TYPE THINGS WITH THEM WHERE MAYBE THEY THREW SOME MONEY AT IT BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
OR WAS THERE SOME WAY WE CAN TAKE SOMETHING LIKE THAT OUT OF THEIR CONTRACT AND PUT IT INTO SOME OTHER FUNDING SOURCE, LIKE DRI PROGRAM.
UM, SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT NOW.
AND A LOT OF THAT HINGED ON GETTING THE TEAM TO COMMIT TO THAT REDUCTION.
WELL, THEY COULD PUT THAT SIDE AND ON OVER THE ASBESTOS SIDE AND WHEN I TAKE IT OFF, BUT THERE'S A LOT, A LOT OF HOMES THAT THEY'VE DONE THAT ON PROBABLY THE PRICE OF SOME OF THOSE, THOSE JOBS WITH ALMOST AS MUCH AS THE VALUE OF THE HOUSE BY THAT'S WRONG.
UM, THERE WAS A PROJECT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, WHAT IT DOES SOME FACILITIES WITH THE PRIZES, THE ONES, THE ONES THAT THEY'RE DEALING WITH.
NOW, I'M NOT GOING TO ASK YOU A QUESTION.
I'M GOING TO GO INTO WHAT'S GOING ON IN BEAUFORT COUNTY RIGHT NOW, IF THAT'S OKAY, BECAUSE THAT'S, ONCE WE REALLY DISCUSSED QUITE A BIT, UH, LAST WEEK, UM, THEY ARE HOUSE THEY'RE NOT IN THE $60,000 RANGE.
THEY ARE MORE IN THE 40 TO 45,000 FOR A COMPARABLE SIZE COMPARABLE SIZE JOB.
UM, OUR PROGRAM HAS BUDGETED IN THE 27 TO $32,000 RANGE.
WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND REBID
THE, UM, SOME OF THESE GUYS WHO WERE THE PRIMES ON THESE CONTRACTS RECOGNIZE THAT THEY'VE GOT TO TAKE OFF A SIDING THREE TO FOUR FEET UP TO PUT THE ANCHORING SYSTEM THROUGH THE BOTTOM OF THE WALL.
THEREFORE IT'S EITHER GOT TO BE PUT SIDING BACK ON THE HOUSE SIDE AND COMPLETELY LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH BOUNCE OR TO COME BACK WITH REPLACEMENT SHINGLES, WHICH THEY MAKE A SUBMIT SHINGLE.
THAT'S SUPPOSEDLY SERVES AS A REPLACEMENT.
THERE ARE SOME ITEMS LIKE THAT.
IF THEY HAVE BUDGETED X NUMBER OF DOLLARS TO RESIZE THE HOUSE, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO ADDRESS THE SHINGLES, IF WE CAN ACCOMPLISH THE SAME THING AT A LESS THAT'S THE KIND OF RETROFIT THING I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
BECAUSE THE DISPOSING OF THOSE SHINGLES IS EXPENSIVE TOO, BUT IF THEY CAN LEAVE THEM ON THERE, LIKE I'VE SEEN THEM QUITE A FEW HOUSES AND JUST COVER THEM OVER IF THAT SHOULD SAVE FOR SEVERAL MONTHS.
IF WE ENDED UP PUTTING SIDING BACK ON THE HOUSES, UH, WE WOULD LEAVE THOSE ON THERE.
I WOULD ASSUME AS LONG AS THEY WILL CRACK TO THAT ALLOWS YOU TO, TO COVER THOSE UP.
UH, THE OTHER OFFICER TALKING TO MIKE ABOUT IT MIGHT BE MORE COST EFFECTIVE TO COME BACK WITH CEMENT SHINGLES FOR THAT THREE OR FOUR FEET, INSTEAD OF WRAPPING THE WHOLE THING AND FINAL, YOU HAVE A DUTY STILL LEAVING THE ASBESTOS.
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EXACTLY.WELL, THE SUBMIT SHINGLE WOULD ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE AN ASBESTOS SHOT, SO YOU'D HAVE ASBESTOS AND THEN YOU'D HAVE THE SUBMISSION.
LEMME ASK YOURSELF THESE PEOPLE THAT, UH, WE DISCUSSED THIS SOMETIME BACK, THAT YOU GOING TO HAVE SOME PEOPLE AND WE'RE GOING TO BE IN THIS THING.
AND WE'RE EXPERIENCED IN DOING THIS TYPE OF THING.
DO THEY HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THE DESIGN OF THE CURTAIN WALL, THE FOUNDATION THAT IS PROPOSED UNDER THESE REGULATIONS? IN OTHER WORDS, IS THAT WHAT THEY USED TO SEE IN, OR THEY THINK IT WAS OVER ENGINEERED OR THAT ANYTHING WAS UNUSUAL WITH ANY COMMENTS BY THEM? THE ONE COMMENT WE HAD WAS WITH THE ANCHORING SYSTEM AND THAT WAS, AND I'D PROBABLY HAVE TO THE FIRST ON WHAT THE MR. CLARK ON THIS WOULD HAVE NOT GONE OVER IT WITH HIM, BUT THIS GENTLEMAN, UM, BUILT MODULAR HOMES.
AND, AND RIGHT NOW THE ANCHORING SYSTEM COMES UP THROUGH FROM THE BOTTOM AND ANCHORS ONTO THE BOTTOM OF THE INTERIOR WALL.
UM, HE SAID THERE ACTUALLY WAS A CLIP.
AND JOHN, YOU MAY KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS CLIP OR AN L-SHAPED PIECE THAT COULD BE ATTACHED AND THE FOUNDATION WALL AND PUT UP OVER.
SO THAT'S PROBABLY THE BIGGEST DESIGN THING WE WERE LOOKING AT, BUT, AND REBAR AND ALL, AND THEY MET CONCRETE CURTAIN WALL.
IT'S FULL IT'S FULL REBAR, FULL OF MEANINGFUL TOPICS.
NO, IT'S, IT'S GOT, IT'S GOT A CIRCLE OF REBAR IN THE FOUNDATION.
IT COMES UP EVERY 16 TO 21 INCHES, AND THEN IT HAS A NOTHER CIRCLE OF REBAR.
AND THEN THAT'S TIED UP INTO THE BUILDING.
AND WHAT I'M SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT ARE THE CONNECTION POINTS BETWEEN THE FOUNDATION AND THE HOUSE CONNECTED MORE TO TELL THEM ABOUT, I'M TALKING ABOUT SOME REBAR IN THE, THE, UH, THE FACT THAT THE CONCRETE CURTAIN GOES OUT IN A NORMAL FOUNDATION.
THERE'S ONLY THREE OR FOUR FEET OR THREE OR WHATEVER IT IS, IF THEY JUST ONE CIRCLE OF THE REBAR.
AND IS IT TWO, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HAS GOT TO BE SO HIGH IS THAT I THINK THERE'S ONE AT THE TOP AND ONE AT THE BOTTOM.
AND IT RIGHT NOW, LET ME, IF I JUST ADD SOMETHING TO THIS, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THERE'S SO MUCH REBAR IN THE DRAWER, I'M NOT SEEING THE GARDEN ITSELF MARRIED TO THE FACT THAT THE ENGINEER HAS TO BRING, TO REPLACE THE HYDROSTATIC PRESSURE IN CASE THERE IS A FLOOD IRRIGATION COMES THROUGH OR GOING THROUGH COMING BACK OUT.
AND THAT'S WHERE HE WAS MONITORING THE REBAR.
IT IS A SOLID KIRK, THAT TYPE OF FOUNDATION.
THAT'S NOT WHAT'S ON THAT HOUSE, MADISON.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL KNOW WHAT, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY HOUSE IN THAT AREA WITH THAT SOLID FOUNDATION, THAT'S IT.
SO ONE OF MY POINT IS THEY PROBABLY ARE SITTING UP NOT THE HOUSE BUILDING, BUT THEY'RE PROBABLY SITTING ON PEERS.
I THINK YOU CALL IT RIGHT? CORRECT.
BECAUSE THE AGE OF THE HOUSE IN THAT BLACK MAN, I KNOW YOU RAISING THE HOUSE, HI, HOW'S THAT HEAVY AND JUST GO, YOU RAISE IT HIGHER, BUT OF COURSE YOU'VE GOT MORE FOUNDATION ITSELF TO DEAL WITH.
SO WHAT I'M JUST THINKING, AND I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT CONSTRUCTION ENGINEER, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE FULL CURTAIN WALL REBAR AND ALL THAT AS A MIGHTY, MIGHTY STRONG FOUNDATION TO GO TO PEERS AND SO ON.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S JUST A GUT FEELING AND GOD KNOWS I GOT PLENTY OF THAT, BUT I'M WORKING ON IT.
BUT THE QUESTION IS WHEN IT'S MOUNTS, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THAT BUSINESS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED IN A HOUSE AND ALL THAT, THAT'S WHY I WANT TO KNOW IF THEY LOOK THAT TO MY GOD, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A MIGHTY BIG FOUNDATION WE PUT IN THE HOUSE OFF, OR DID THEY JUST SAY AS WHAT YOU'RE FACING OR WHAT THEY DID NOT.
THEY DID, DID NOT COMMENT ON THAT.
MY UNDERSTANDING OF THAT IS THAT THAT SOLID, THAT SOLID CURTAIN WALL IS A REQUIREMENT BUILDING CODE AT THAT ELEVATION.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING, THAT'S THIS TALL SEVEN FEET TALL.
IT HAS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY.
SEEM TO ME THEY'RE MERELY
AND HOW DOES THAT PRESSURE THAT THE SCHOOL WILL BE CALLED
AND NUMBER THREE WOULD BE THE FACT THAT WHEN THEY RAISED IT, THEY ALSO HAVE TO ATTACH IT TO THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE TO MEET THE LOAN AMOUNT.
SO YOU GOT, YOU GOT TWO OR THREE
SO HOW MUCH IS THE HOUSES ACTUALLY GOING TO BE RIGHT
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WHERE THEY ARE? AND NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WELL, NOW THAT'S 12 FEET ABOVE SEA LEVEL AT 12 FEET ABOVE WHERE THEY SIT IN THAT THAT'S 12 FEET ABOVE SEA LEVEL.AND THAT EFFECT IS HOW MUCH THE FIRST GROUP WITH AT 13 FEET WAS RIGHT AT EIGHT FEET OF A FOUNDATION CURTAIN WALL.
AND NOW REDUCING IT TO 12, WE'LL BRING IT DOWN ABOUT SEVEN FEET ABOVE WHAT IT IS, MAN.
FROM, FROM THE GROUND, FROM THE GROUND TO THE BOTTOM OF THE FLOOR SYSTEM, NOT THE FINISHED FLOOR WITH THE BOTTOM OF THE FLOOR SYSTEM, BUT ALL I'M ASKING YOU IS HOW MUCH THEY FORCE US NOT SITTING ON THE GROUND, MAN, IS IT NUTS? SO HOW MUCH NAT RAISE? HOW MUCH ARE YOU RAISING THE HOUSE? YEAH, I WOULD HAVE TO, I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK.
IT'S PROBABLY MORE LIKE ABOUT FIVE, RIGHT? YEAH.
IF IT'S AT SIX AND A HALF FEET, THEN IT'S THE NET GOING TO BE FIVE AND A HALF FEET TO GET IT UP TO 12.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE, UH, GONE THROUGH AND IDENTIFIED OTHER PROGRAM RESOURCES.
UM, SOME OF THE DRI PROGRAMS, WE HAVE, UH, ONE DRI PROGRAM IN HAND AND ANOTHER ONE THAT IS EXPECTED ANY TIME THAT WE APPLIED FOR.
UH, AND I THINK WE SENT OFF A LETTER VERY RECENTLY, THEY'LL IDENTIFY ANOTHER 600 OR SO THOUSAND DOLLARS THAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DIRECT TOWARDS SOME OF THESE ELEVATION OVERRUNS ON SOME OF THESE PROBLEMS. UM, WE ALSO HAVE IDENTIFIED, UM, MONEY FROM THE URGENT NEEDS PROGRAM, WHICH IS A 97 URGENT NEEDS PROGRAM THAT WE'RE WRAPPING UP THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT AND SEE IF WE CAN'T FIND SOME FUNDS THERE THAT WE'LL HAVE IN A SUBSEQUENT MEETING WITH Y'ALL TO REPROGRAM OVER, TO BE USED AS THIS, AS THIS PROGRAM.
UM, WE TRY, DID THE STATE DESIGN THIS COME UP WITH THE ACTUAL QUOTE UNQUOTE RANCH, BUT THE FOUNDATION WHO DESIGNED THE ENGINEER DESIGNED IT OUT OF OUR OFFICE, BASED ON HE RAN THE SPECIFICATIONS BASED ON THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE STATE BUILDING CODE, THE, THE, THE CHARGE WAS TO SIGN IT TO THE STATE BUILDING CODE.
AND HOW LONG WAS THAT PROTECTING THE BUILDING EXISTED FOR THAT SIZE FOUNDATION? THE, IN RELATION TO THE PLUS LANES REGULATIONS THAT'S BEEN INCORPORATED WITHIN THE BUILDING CODE, THERE'S ONLY ABOUT THREE OR FOUR PARAGRAPHS.
THERE LOOK LIKE REGULATIONS THEMSELVES IN PLACE IN THE CITY OF HUBRIS FOR SINCE 19 84, 85.
AND AGAIN, DEALING WITH WHOEVER THE ENGINEER OR THE HABITAT PRESSURES THAT HE HAS TO DEAL WITH, AND I'M NOT AN ENGINEER.
SO I CAN'T REALLY ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
HE ASKED ME TO BRING SOME TYPE OF CALCULATIONS AND WHAT
IT MENTIONS FLOOD PLAIN REGULATIONS WITH THE BUILDING CODE.
THAT MEANS YOU HAVE TO INCORPORATE WHATEVER PEOPLE REQUIRE.
I MIGHT NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THERE.
IN OTHER WORDS, THEY'VE SAID, MUST BE ABLE TO WITHSTAND A HUNDRED MILE AN HOUR WIND LAST WEEK WAS NEW.
THEY HAVE TO DO THAT, AND I'LL HAVE TO SAY IT IS.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THE GUY HASN'T DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB, OR HE'S DONE ALL THAT JOB.
I'M JUST TRYING TO HELP FIGURE OUT A WAY TO PUT THESE OUT, RAISING HOUSES UP AND, YOU KNOW, DO IT AS FAST AS WE CAN AND DO IT PROPERLY.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THAT IF I COULD FOLLOW UP ON YOUR COMMENTS, WE WILL TAKE THOSE DESIGNS AND, AND PURSUE WHERE THEY EXCEED THE MINIMUM BUILDING CODE, THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS OF THE BUILDING CODE AND, AND WITH MR. CLARK, AND ALSO WITH FOLKS AT D M THEY HAVE ENGINEERS AT DEM TO DO THIS KIND OF THING AND SEE IF WE CAN FIND ANY REDUCTION OF COSTS THERE.
UM, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT WE'LL DO.
I THINK WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU KIND OF TALKED ABOUT.
I MEAN, ALL SAID JUST TO ENSURE THAT YOU'RE NOT OVER SIGN A PIECE
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OF MAIL OR WITHSTAND THE 30 OFF SECOND BULLET, I CAN TELL YOU TO GO TO SLEEP.I KNOW THAT'LL DO MAYBE TWO INCHES OF REGULATION.
JUST SAY THE WORDS AND YOU HAVE TO CONVERT THAT INTO THAT PRESSES ALL KINDS OF WAYS TO SKIN THE SAME CARE SOMETIMES.
SO, YOU KNOW, I, WE'RE ALL FRUSTRATED PEOPLE IN THE HOUSES THAT IS A BUGLE, TRIED TO DO THE WORK.
THOSE OF US WHO WERE TRYING TO TELL THE PEOPLE, THE HOUSES WILL BE RAISED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
WE KNOW WE'RE DEALING WITH THE GOVERNMENT BACK WE'RE, WE'RE PART OF THE GOVERNMENT TO, I GUESS YOU MIGHT SAY, AND, UH, ALL THAT SORT OF BUSINESS, BUT, YOU KNOW, AT THE SAME TIME, THE BOTTOM LINE IS GETTING THE HOUSES, RIGHT.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, JUST ABOUT THE SAME, SOMEBODY TELL ME TO DO SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT, YOU KNOW, BUT I CAN'T,
AND, AND I THINK THE EFFORTS WE'RE MAKING RIGHT NOW ARE TRY TO MAKE SURE WE STRETCH IT JUST AS FAR AS WE CAN REASONABLY, WHICH I THINK WE OWE IT TO EVERYBODY OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, TO TRY TO DO THAT.
AND I AGREE, WE DON'T JUST CHARGE OUT AND START RAISING HOUSES AT TIME OUT TWO OR THREE TIMES A MINUTE HOUSES.
IT WAS JUST DISCOVERED AS LITTLE TWEAK.
THEY KNOW THAT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, THE CLOCK IS MOVING.
I REALLY FEEL LIKE THAT PROBABLY A VERY GOOD AVENUE.
YOU TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THE INTERPRETATION AND THAT'S JUST MY OPINION, IT, IN WORDS, AND WHAT IT TURNED OUT TO BE METRICS AS I CALL IT, LET'S SAY, IF WE CAN'T FIND THEM, WE WILL DO THAT.
THE, UM, I HAVE IN HAND, THE SECOND GROUP OF DESIGNS, UM, THEY ARE CURRENTLY BEING REVISED TO REFLECT THE REVISIONS FROM THE 12TH, FROM 13 DOWN TO THE 12, UH, AND ALONG THE SAME LINES OF REDUCING COSTS.
I'D LIKE TO HAVE A, JUST A GENERAL DISCUSSION IF WE COULD, ABOUT THE METHOD OF CONTRACTING AND IN AN F IN AN EFFORT TO TRY TO REDUCE COSTS.
UH, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE, WE HAVE SENT THESE OUT FOR BIDS WITH A ONE PRIME CONTRACTOR WITH A SUBCONTRACTOR FOR ELEVATION AND A SUBCONTRACTOR FOR FOUNDATION RETROFIT WITH ONE POINT OF RESPONSIBILITY TO THE CITY.
UH, WE DONE THIS REALLY FOR TWO REASONS.
UH, WE'VE HEARD HORROR STORIES OF PEOPLE BEING LEFT OUT OF THEIR HOMES FOR WEEKS ON END FROM HAVING TWO DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS, TWO DIFFERENT PRIMES VERSUS ONE PERSON RESPONSIBLE, UH, AND D M CONFIRMED THAT THEY'D HAD A LOT OF THOSE COMPLAINTS.
UH, AND WE ALSO WERE LOOKING TO HAVE ONE POINT OF LIABILITY TO THAT PRIME CONTRACTOR VERSUS A POINT OF LIABILITY TO TWO CONTRACTORS, AND THEN HAVING THEM BICKER BETWEEN EACH OTHER.
NOW, OBVIOUSLY THERE IS A COST ASSOCIATED WITH HAVING THAT ONE PRIME CONTRACTOR.
THERE'S PROBABLY AT LEAST AT 12, 15%, UH, PROFIT AND OVERHEAD ASSOCIATED ASSOCIATED WITH THAT ONE PRIME CONTRACTOR.
UM, WE ARE CONSIDERING ACTUALLY THE CITY ACCIDENT ACTING AS A COORDINATOR AND, AND BEATING ELEVATION AND BIDDING THE RETROFIT FOUNDATION SEPARATELY, UH, AS A, AS A POINT OF, OF SAVING MONEY.
UM, IT WILL POTENTIALLY, IT WAS JUST GOING TO BE, UH, ANOTHER STEP OF COORDINATION TO TRY TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY OUT, UM, UH, ANY LONGER CAUSE TECHNICALLY WE WERE ACTING AS A PRIME CONTRACTOR THEN, UM, WHICH IS NOT A PROBLEM OTHER THAN IF WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT STEP FOR COST REDUCTION.
UM, AND WE, I GUESS WE ALL JUST NEED TO BE AWARE OF THE TRADE OFF OF THAT, OF, OF JUST HAVING THAT COORDINATION PROBLEM.
AND I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER Y'ALL WOULD HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR THOUGHTS ON THAT, UH, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER
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TALK TO STAY UP THERE AND JUST, THEY SIT AROUND AND TALK ABOUT, I AGREE, BECAUSE AS I SIT HERE AND I LISTENED TO YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT STRUCTURES OF BUILDINGS AND YOU KNOW, HOW MANY FIELDS DOWN ALL AROUND.AND, UH, AND I, AND I HAVE A FRUSTRATION THAT YOU ARE AWARE OF THAT I DON'T WANT TO KNOW THE WAFFLE ONE, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT WE, THAT WE HAVE THIS PROCEDURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE MUST DO AND WE MUST DO THE RIGHT.
HOWEVER, I STILL SHARE THE FRUSTRATIONS OF THOSE OF THEM WHO ARE NOW AT HOME.
AND IT'S RAINING VERY HARD AND THEY'RE THINKING, WELL, IT'S BEEN TWO, THREE YEARS AND HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING.
AND, AND, AND SO ALL OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE SAYING TO US, I THINK WE NEED TO BE IN A SETTING WHERE WE CAN ABSORB IT AND THEN COME UP WITH SOME SOLUTIONS SO THAT WHEN, SO THAT YOU SEE, WELL, AS WE PLAN, IT'S HARD FOR US TO ANTICIPATE CERTAIN THINGS.
WE STARTED A PROGRAM THREE YEARS AGO AND, AND THEN THE COST OF THE PROGRAM, BY THE TIME WE GET IT UP, WE'RE GOING TO BE TRIPLE DOUBLE.
I'M GLAD WE DIDN'T HAVE TO BUY GAS FOR WHAT ARE, WE REALLY WOULD HAVE BEEN OUT OF TROUBLE.
YOU KNOW, GAS PRICES HAVE CHANGED.
SO I AGREE WITH ALL THE PAR HIM THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, I'D LIKE VERY MUCH FOR US TO HAVE A ROUND TABLE AND WE COULD SIT DOWN AND GET A CLEARER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT IS.
THAT'S HINDERING US DOING THIS.
AND I KNOW A LOT OF IT'S PRICE, AND I JUST, I'M JUST REALLY ASKING FOR DISCUSSION IF YOU HAD ANY ON THAT ONE TIME
HOWEVER, MY FAVORITES, I'M JUST ONE PERSON ON THE BOARD.
AND I GUESS ANSWER IS THAT PERSON, UH, YOU KNOW, I JUST KEEP SAYING, WELL, WHEN DOES THE HOUSE, BUT WHEN IS THE HOUSE? AND I'M KIND OF LIKE A BULLDOG WHEN IT COMES TO THAT, I GUESS IT'S MORE THAN BREAD IT.
BUT THE POINT BEING THAT MY FEELINGS ON IT, WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS, LIKE AT LEAST IT GETS INTERESTED PARTIES WHERE THEY AT HOME THE NIGHT THEY'LL WATCH IT ON CHANNEL 10.
THEY LIVE IN ONE OF THOSE HOUSES, WHETHER THEY'RE HERE TONIGHT OR WHATEVER, THEY CAN GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW SERIOUS WE ARE ABOUT RAISING THE HOUSE.
WE HAVE FORGOTTEN YOU WERE IN THAT AND SCRATCHING AND FALLING.
AND I CAN ALSO SEE WHAT SOME OF THE THINGS ARE THAT ARE HOLDING US UP BECAUSE I HAD FOUND, UH, AS I TOLD MAMA ONE TIME JOKINGLY, BUT TRUTHFULLY MANY YEARS AGO, WHEN I WAS MUCH YOUNGER, MORE NAIVE, HE USED TO HEAR THE WOMEN IN THE BEAUTY PARLOR.
BY THE TIME WE GOT DOWN TO THE END, IT WAS ALL TWISTED AND TURNER.
AND I BELIEVE THAT, BUT I WAS WRONG.
IT'S MAN, IT'S WORSE THAN WILDLIFE FOR PEOPLE THAT HEAR IT AS IT'S TAKEN PLACE.
SO THEY GOT ANOTHER CUT ON IT, CALL ME UP AND GIVE ME SOME ADVICE, BECAUSE I'M DOING THE BEST I CAN AND I'M NOT DONE YET.
SO THAT TO ME IS THE DANGER IN DOING THIS WHOLE THING.
AND IT WORKS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO CONTAIN WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND THEN AGAIN, IT'D BE ONE SOMEBODY'S PERCEPTION OF WHAT HAPPENED OR WHATEVER, MY PERCEPTION OF WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, MAYBE ENTIRE WITH DEVON AND SOMEBODY ELSE WHO MAY BE WATCHING THIS ON THE TEAM, HE CAN HEAR AND SEE THE SAME THINGS.
I DID IT, WHATEVER HE CAN GET OUT OF IT.
I HAVE SOMEBODY CALLING HIM BACK.
I THINK, I THINK WHAT WE REALLY MEANT ABOUT THE WORK SESSION IS TECHNICAL KINDS OF INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE ASKING US TO FEED BACK INTO SO WE CAN ABSORB THE KINDS OF THINGS YOU'RE ASKING OF US.
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WANT YOU TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD VOLUME IN AND EX EXPLAIN SO THAT THE COMMUNITY CAN HEAR.BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO ASK US FOR AN INPUT OF SOME KIND, YEAH, WE NEED TO BE, WELL, I QUESTIONED THE ASS IN
WOULD IT BE THE SAME INDIVIDUAL INDIVIDUALS WHO DESIGNED IN THE FIRST TIME AROUND
IN OTHER WORDS, WHY DID WE DO THIS AND HAVE THE TWO TOGETHER? UM, AND WHEN WOULD YOU PLAN ON DOING THAT STARTING TOMORROW? AND THEN ALSO, I WANT TO COORDINATE THAT WITH MR. CLARK TOO.
UM, CAUSE I THINK HE'S INTIMATELY FAMILIAR WITH THE BILL.
WELL, SO WHEN I KICK THIS THING AROUND, LET'S JUST SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
YOU KNOW, THE BOTTOM LINE IS IT WAS GOING TO COST WAY MORE MONEY, BE ABLE TO RAISE
HE'S ON THE PHONE CALLING FOR ASSISTANCE NOW.
WELL, LET'S JUST TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK HERE.
CAN YOU SET SAVINGS IF WE IN THE CITY PROVIDED LEADER SERVICE ON IT AND YOU WERE ASKING US ABOUT, AND I THINK MAYBE WE ALL CAN LEAVE THAT UP TO THE CITY MANAGER TO SEE WHETHER HE'S GOT, CAN SPARE THE PEOPLE FORWARD OR, OR WHY HE SHOULD MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO US.
AND, AND, AND PROBABLY THAT WOULD FALL MORE ON ME AND THE STAFF REALLY WELL.
AND I DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANT TO SIT.
HE MANAGED TO COME BACK AND SAY YOU COMMITTED MY PEOPLE FOR SOMETHING THEY CAN'T DO.
I WAS WONDERING WHO I WAS WONDERING WHO THEY HAD IN MIND FOR THIS, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE A SIMPLE LITTLE JOB.
SO I THINK THAT'S,
AND HIS CREW NOW TO KEEP THINGS AS I GO HERE, UH, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE LADY THAT, UH, DURING THIS CONVERSATION WAS PROBABLY SITTING BACK THERE GOING, OH MY GOSH, OH MY GOSH, IT'S OUR NEW COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR.
WHO'S GOING TO BE WORKING WITH THIS KIND OF STUFF.
UH, SHE'S BEEN ON BOARD FOR ABOUT THREE WEEKS NOW.
SO STEINHAUSER, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE STAND, UH, NOW, UH, SHE COMES TO US FROM, UH, THE HAVELOCK PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND A CAREER SERVING OUR COUNTRY, UH, IN THE MILITARY.
UM, I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING WITH SUE FOR ABOUT THE LAST WEEK AND HAVE BEEN VERY PLEASED.
SHE'S VERY GOOD TO WORK WITH AND, UH, GETS THE JOB DONE.
SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH HER ON THESE PROGRAMS.
FIRST OFF, IF YOU CAME TO THE MILITARY, I KNOW YOU WERE THINKING WE WERE, WE WERE PRETTY EASY WATCHING SO I CAN MAKE A FEW COMMENTS TO US OR WHATEVER.
UH, YOU HEARD A SLIGHT MIKE WORK, BUT HE SAID WE'VE BEEN VERY PROUD TO TELL THE PUBLIC JUST EXACTLY WHAT OF PEOPLE WE TAKE PRIDE
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IN THE FACT.ALRIGHT, NOW LET'S SEE WHAT WE GOT.
UH, AS THE MAYOR, COULD YOU ASK HIM, I HAVE A NUMBER SIX, WE WERE SHORT ITEM NUMBER SIX ORDINANCE.
WE CAN SET IT CLOSE IN A PORTION OF GREEN STREET.
EXPLAIN WHAT I GUESS I CAN'T LIE.
UH, YOU'D HAVE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, TODAY.
UM, AND ORDINANCE THAT WOULD IN FACT, CLOSE A PORTION OF GRAVE STREET, UH, THAT EXTENDS BETWEEN MORRIS AVENUE AND AYCOCK AVENUE IN THE PEMBROKE COMMUNITY.
AND IT'S BASICALLY DEALING WITH ABOUT 140 FEET OF UNIMPROVED RIDEAWAY ALONG THAT PROPERTY, UH, ALONG THE GREY STREET RIGHT AWAY.
UM, WE HAD A REQUEST FROM THE TIMBER COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION TO CLOSE THAT RIGHT OF WAY.
UH, ALL MARINA AND MYSELF WENT AND SPOKE TO THE OTHER ADJOINING PROPERTY, UH, THAT, UH, BUTTS THAT, UH, UNIMPROVED PORTION OF STREET.
AND THE LADY SAID SHE HAD NO PROBLEM WITH CLOSING IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, IF IT REMAINS OPEN, IT'S FINE, BUT IF IT'S CLOSED, IT'S NOT GONNA BE ANY PROBLEM ONCE A WEEK.
IS THERE ANYBODY HERE IN OPPOSITION TO CLOSE A MAN TONIGHT? RAISE, AM ABOUT AGAINST, I'M GOING TO BE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HERE A SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, IF NOT, PLEASE GO.
I'M NOT GOING TO ROLL ON THAT.
UM, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, TOTALLY.
AND THEN I GUESS WE'LL GO BACK TO NUMBER FIVE.
THAT WAS CONSIDERED A TEMPORARY INCREASE IN BASIC TAXI RATES.
UH, I WAS CALLED BY, UH, ONE OF THE TAXI OWNERS AND ASKED TO BRING THIS BEFORE THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN.
AND THEY HAVE SUBMITTED A PETITION HERE THAT I'D LIKE TO READ TO YOU.
AND IT SAYS TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN AND IT'S REGARDING THE FAIR INCREASE AND IT STARTS OUT WITH DEAR, SIR.
I ASSUME IT MEANS ME TO DEAR SIR.
WE, THE TAXI CAB OWNERS OF NEWBURN AREA WORKING UNDER SAFEWAY TRANSPORTATION IS REQUESTING TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMEN FUND INCREASE IN FARE FOR ALL TAXI OWNERS.
WE ARE REQUESTING THIS INCREASE DUE TO THE INCREASE OF GASOLINE PRICES.
THE CITY GRANTED US AN INCREASE SEVERAL YEARS AGO FROM ONE 40 TO ONE 60, BUT SINCE GASOLINE PRICES HAS INCREASED SO RAPIDLY, WE FEEL THAT AN INCREASE OF 40 CENT WOULD HELP TAXI OWNERS AND THEIR DRIVERS TO BE PHRASED SOME OF THE COSTS AND INCREASE THEIR PROFIT MARGIN.
WE ARE REQUESTING THAT INCREASE FROM ONE 60 TO $2.
IF THE PRICE OF GAS DECREASED AS PREDICTED, WE WILL REQUEST A DECREASE IN TEXAS PEN, THANKING YOU IN ADVANCE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
AND IT COMES FROM, UH, UH, MR.
AND THE PETITION IS SIGNED BY MR. GEORGE BROOKS, MR. JOYCE, DUNSON MR. DAVID BURTON, MR. BILL GREEN, MR. ISEN, BRYCE, JR.
MS. MELISSA WALLACE, MR. JAMES PRIMALLY AND MR. JAMES HARRIS, AND THEY'RE ALL OWNERS WHO ARE MAKING THIS REQUEST.
THAT'S A LOT OF BIG JOBS SENSE.
SO WAS THE GAS PRICES PLAN? THAT WAS MONEY BIG.
YEAH, IT WOULD REQUIRE AN ORDINANCE IF YOU WANT TO DO IT, IF YOU WOULD DIRECT ME TO PREPARE, LET ME, LET ME ASK, WAS ANY OF THE TAXI OWNERS HERE THAT ANSWER THAT MR. MAYOR, UH, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, THAT MR. NEWKIRK ACTUALLY WAS OPPOSED TO IT 20 CENTERS.
BECAUSE I WAS JUST TOLD THAT HE WOULD, THAT HE WAS OPPOSED TO THE INCREASE, I GUESS HE MEANS THAT FIGURE THEN, UH, UM, AND I'M A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE THAT LAUNDRY.
WELL, HE DIDN'T, NO ONE HAS SAID ANYTHING TO ME.
HOWEVER, THE OWNERS ARE HERE IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME.
I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY AND
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GOSSIP, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? WHAT WOULD 20 CENT BE ADEQUATE AND BE ADEQUATE? AND WHEN YOU'RE SAYING 40, SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TEMPORARY, BUT WHAT, BUT WHAT 20 CENT BE, UH, JUSTIFY AND THEN LEAVING IT AT 20 CENTS AND NOT WORRIED ABOUT A DEEP BOOTIES GAS WITH THAT OR WHATEVER.UH, WE, WHAT IS, UH, L A CEILING PRICE OFF, WHATEVER THE BOARD AGREES ON, WE OVERALL BE MORE THAN GRATEFUL TO ACCEPT IT.
UH, WE HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS SEVERAL MONTHS, UH, WITH THE INCREASE IN TEA AND GAS, WE HAVE OUR, UH, ABSORB THE INCREASE IN GAS OVER THE SEVEN MONTHS.
BUT NOW THAT THEY'RE, UM, THE PRICE DON'T SEEM TO BE DOING IN THE BETTER WE ARE ON PAR FOR OUR PROFIT MARGIN IS DECREASING QUITE RAPIDLY, UH, TAKING IN CONSIDERATION THE GAS PRICES UP PEOPLE ABOUT AUTOMOBILES AND ALL THIS WE TAKE IN CONSIDERATION.
WHEN WE REQUESTED THE 40 STINGRAYS, UH, WE STARTED SOMEWHERE WHEN HE SAY 40%, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE STARTED.
BUT LIKE I SAID BEFORE, IF, UH, IF THE BOARD WITH A GRANT WAS 20 CENTS, WE'D BE MORE THAN GRATEFUL.
ANYTHING IS BETTER THAN, THAN WHAT WE ARE DOING.
NOW, MAYBE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS, ONE CELL PHONE, NUMBER ONE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN SOME QUESTION ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT SET PRICES ON ANYTHING.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT OBVIOUSLY IS THE GOLDEN PROVISIONS MAN PUTS HIS PRICE TOO HIGH.
YOU'LL SOON, FIND OUT THERE'S NOBODY TO USE THIS PRODUCT.
AND THEN SOMETIMES IF THEY'VE BEEN USED TO USING THAT PRODUCT AND THEY GO SOMEWHERE ELSE, BECAUSE THE PRICE WAS TOO HIGH, THEY MIGHT FIND OUT THAT DIDN'T NEED THAT PRODUCT.
SO THAT ALWAYS KIND OF CORRECTED THINGS IN THE BUSINESS WORLD, BUT THE WAY THIS THING WORKS WITH THE GOVERNMENT, OBVIOUSLY IT DOES SET THE PRICE.
AND I FEEL LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN IT, WHICH I GUESS BY LAW, WE ARE INVOLVED IN IT, PROBABLY THAT 20 CENTS.
AND THAT'S JUST MY FEELING ABOUT A MOVE FOR ALL CONCERNED, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING TO THE TAXI USER, THE GUY THAT RIDES IN THE TAXI AND EASILY IT WAS SOLD.
AND IT DOESN'T CAUSE SOME SOLAR THE DECISION TO BE MADE THAT THE CONSUMER MIGHT NOT HAVE MADE.
OTHERWISE IF YOU LIVE WITH IT 20 CENTS, I THINK IT'S, WHAT'S A WHILE SOMEBODY WE CAN LIVE WITH THE TWIN SENTENCE, UH, MAY HAVE BAYLESS AND WE WERE GRATEFUL.
WE ARE GRATEFUL AND THERE ARE.
AND LET ME ALSO EXTEND, UH, TO EACH OF YOU, EVERYONE FOR SEEING US ON SUCH A SHORT NOTICE, WE'VE REALLY APPRECIATE THIS.
UH, LIKE I SAID, PREVIOUSLY, WE AREN'T, UH, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE JUST THOUGHT OF OVERNIGHT.
UH, BECAUSE I THINK THE LAST INCREASE WE HAD WAS SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WE WENT, WE GOT A 20 CENT INCREASE AT THE TOP OF THE DOLLAR AND $42 60.
BUT LIKE I SAID, WE GOT, WE HAD TO START SOMEWHERE.
SO WE JUST WENT TO DOLLARS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT KIMPSON AND JACKSONVILLE, THAT'S WHAT THEIR PRICE IS AT TWO KISSES, $2 AND 10 CENTS.
JACKSONVILLE IS $2 JUST TO GET IN JUST TO GET IN.
SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE SAID WE WERE TRYING TO KEEP EQUALLY WITH THEM, BUT WE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T READ IT.
WE DON'T, WE KNOW THE CONSUMERS IS PART, TRY HARD.
SO WHATEVER Y'ALL GRANT THIS, WE APPRECIATE IT.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THE 20 CENT COMPROMISE? IF YOU WILL, ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT TEMPORARY OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MAKING THAT PERMANENT? BECAUSE TEMPORARY IS SUCH AN AMBIGUOUS.
I SEE THE REASON I SAID DUE TO 26, 11, PERMANENT, AS LATE AS THAT, IF THE GAS SHOULD DROP DOWN, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE YOUR CONSUMERS AND WELL, DROP IT BACK DOWN TO THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM, BUT THIS HELPS ABSORB SOME, AND IT KEEPS IT AT A RATE WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO GET TO WHERE SOMEONE ELSE'S.
I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THE THINKING BEHIND, I JUST, I WAS LOST AND SHIT, I'D HEARD YOU RIGHT.
THAT YOU WANTED TO DO IT PERMANENTLY.
I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT APPROACH.
AS LONG AS THE COMMAND SAYS, IT'S ABOUT THE PRICE OF CRAZY LOUD.
IF THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE GAS BOTTLES OUT, LET THEM MAKE A PROFIT.
WHAT'S WRONG WITH AMERICA AND EXTENDED.
THEY'VE BEEN SEVEN YEARS SINCE THEY'D DONE A RE SURE.
I CAN MAKE A MOTION THAT WE GRANT THEM AT 27 INCLUDES.
IF YOU WOULD GO OVER AND MAKE A MOTION TO THAT FAIR,
BUT THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE ORDERS ACTUALLY FAST BEFORE THAT FIRST MEETING, YOU KNOW,
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WHEREAS MAINTENANCE MAKES IT EFFICIENT.SO SHE'S LATER MOTION TO A HARRIS ATTACK.
SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE ROAD.
UH, MR. WARD, HOW DID WE GET IN THE BUSINESS OF SETTING THE RATES ON THAT? BECAUSE LIKE, UH, THE MAYOR SAYS THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE WE SET RATES LIKE THAT AND THE CONTROL
I WAS JUST WONDERING HOW WE WOUND UP DOING THAT.
THAT'S WHY WE STILL DOING MY DADDY AND A NEW YORK AND SLAP ON THAT $110,000 OR WHATEVER IT WAS.
THEY TOLD ME OUT THERE, I GUESS THAT'S BEEN THAT WAY A LOT.
THAT'S WHY I WAS STOLEN UNTIL SHE GOT OUT OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.
LET'S GO TO THE, WE LOST ANOTHER ONE.
LET'S GO TO THE CONSENT AGENDA BEFORE EVERYBODY GOES IN ALL VARIOUS
WHO ARE WE MISSING THAT, BARBARA.
WHAT IS YOUR NAME AGAIN, PLEASE, SIR.
MR.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT HE HAS THE MONEY.
MR. CLAW, HOW DID YOU WANT TO WORK THIS OUT? AS FAR AS THE PAPER CUT IN MY OFFICE IN THE MORNING, WE WERE ABLE TO SEE.
SO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU NEED TO PAY THE MONEY TOMORROW MORNING, UH, TO, TO HAVE MR. CLOTHS OFF.
NOW IN LIGHT OF DISAGREEMENT, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE ADOPT THE ORDINANCE AND THE ATTACHED AGREEMENT.
AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO AMEND THE AGREEMENTS, CHANGE THE DATES.
UM, UM, I THINK THE FIRST PARAGRAPH ON PAGE TWO JULY, RATHER THAN JUNE, WOULD THAT BE A PROBLEM, MR. WARD IN A PARAGRAPH FOUR MAKING THE 26TH OF JULY, RATHER THAN THE 11TH OF JULY.
MR. MORRISON AS ASKED AND THE 90 DAY EXTENSION ACTUALLY IS GOING TO HAVE TO DATE BACK TO WHEN THEY ORDERED AT SPOT, WHICH THE ORDER ACTUALLY EXPIRED ON JUNE THE 27TH, WHICH IS WE WANT TO MAKE IS 90 DAYS.
WHAT DO WE HAVE DISCRETION TO EXTEND IT FROM A NAKED TODAY? WE STARTED
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CHANGING BY THE WORMS. WELL, YOU KNOW, HE'S LOST IN TIME.THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ALL THE TIME THOUGH, BUT HE HASN'T BEEN WORKING WITH, WAS THERE A STOP WATER ISSUE? NO, SIR.
HAVE YOU BEEN WORKING ALL THIS TIME? WELL, YEAH, I'VE BEEN WORKING, BUT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, UH, WHEN THE EXPIRING THAT HE'S MENTIONING TO YOU, WHEN I HAD ASKED FOR THE INSPECTION TO COME OUT, THAT ACTUALLY TOOK SEVERAL MORE DAYS TO WHERE I COULDN'T COULDN'T ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING UNTIL THEY CAME OUT AND THEN ONCE IT CAME OUT, THEN THAT'S WHEN I WAS NOTIFIED ABOUT THE, UH, THE, UH, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT HARM IT WOULD CAUSE TO GIVE THEM 90 DAYS FROM TOMORROW FOR EVERYONE THAT COMES UP THERE THAT NEGOTIATED, UH, YOU'RE NOT A HARDSHIP ON US.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT A HARDSHIP IT'S DISCRETIONARY AND A, LET ME ASK SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
YOU'RE SAYING MR. CLARK, IT WAS JUNE 27TH EXPIRED ON JUNE 27TH.
SO IF HE HAD NOT GOTTEN AN EXTENSION, WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED? HE HAS $50 A DAY EVERY DAY.
THEY'RE THERE? WHAT A FINE, WHEN I HAVE A HOUSEBOAT, YOU COULD BLOCK VERY EVERYDAY AFTER 27.
SO WHAT HE IS GAINING BY DOING THIS, PUT THIS BOND MONEY UP, IS IT HE IS NOT GOING TO BE 72 PRORATED OR BOTH OR RETROACTIVE BACK TO JAMIE? YES, SIR.
SO THAT'S WHY HE'S GAINING WEIGHT.
HE'S LOSING TIME, BUT HE'S GAINING, GETTING AWAY WITH A $50 A DAY.
SO, YOU KNOW, LET'S SEE A LITTLE TRACK CONEY INTO ME CONSIDERING
MY QUESTION IS, CAN YOU LIVE WITH THAT ONCE A DAY, LADY AGAIN? WELL, I, I, I NEEDED ADDITIONAL TIME, TOOK IT TO THE HOUSES FINISHED.
SO IF WE ADOPTED THE AGREEMENT, THE AGREEMENT AS DRAFTED, UH, YOU WOULD HAVE UNTIL WHAT TIME OF FINISHING SEPTEMBER THE 25TH, BUT 90 DAYS, 60 DAYS, AS LONG AS HE ATE LAST 30 DAYS, BEEN WORKING AT 30 DAYS, BUT ALSO UNDERSTAND $2,000 THAT I'M PUTTING UP.
I UNDERSTAND, BUT THE MONEY THAT, THE MONEY THAT I WAS GOING TO PAY THE PLUMBER, WHAT I'M USING TO PUT UP AND I NEED AT LEAST ANOTHER MONTH TO, TO REGAIN THAT MONEY, TO PAY THE PLUMBER, TO GET IN, INTO FINISH THE HOUSE.
WELL, WHERE WERE YOU HERE BEFORE THE HOUSE WAS 75% COMPLETE? NO, MA'AM 80 45.
I MEAN, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A FEW DOOR KNOBS, THAT'S THAT'S ON THE LIST HERE.
I HAVE, UH, PUT NEW RULES ON THE HOUSE.
I'VE UH, CLOSED UP THE SHEET ROCK.
I'VE PUT NEW FRONT DOORS ON, UH, I'VE HAD THE WHOLE HOUSE, BOTH HOUSES, REWIRED, BRAND NEW WIRING.
UM, I, I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT'S ONLY 40%.
WE KNOW 80% OF THE MAJOR WORK.
IT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE HAS HERE ON THIS LIST HAS BEEN DARK.
I THINK I ASKED HIM IF WHEN YOU CAME BEFORE, WAS IT 80%? IS IT 75% NOW? YES.
IS IT 75% NOW? MR. CLARK, YOU MIGHT'VE BEEN GETTING NO, MAN.
LET ME, LET ME ASK A QUESTION JUST TO GET SOMETHING STRIKING ABOUT WHAT, WHAT IS THE LEGAL, UH, WHAT IS THE REASON BEHIND WALL, IF YOU WILL, OR SOMEBODY FINISHING THE HOUSE IN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, IF IT IS AMOUNT OF OCCUPIED HOUSES, IT NOT.
SO WHAT IS IT I'M JUST ASKING WHY THAT WALL WAS ALONE.
I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING I AGREE OR DISAGREE.
WHAT IS IT THINKING? I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT IF SOMEBODY WAS TRYING TO SAY I'M WORKING ON IT AND IT BECAME JUST A STRUCTURE SITTING THERE THE NEXT FOR A LONG TIME, AND IT WAS A RUSE THAT SOMEBODY REALLY WASN'T WORKING ON THAT.
BUT WHAT IS, WHAT IS IT IS THE TIME PRESSURE.
IF SOMEBODY IS REWIRING THE HOUSE AND DOING THIS AND DOING THAT FOR US TO DO IT IN X AMOUNT OF TIME.
WELL, NUMBER ONE IS WE SIT DOWN AND, AND DID SOME BIGGER THAN IF A GENERAL CONTRACTOR BUILD A HOUSE IN ANYWHERE FROM 90 TO 120 DAYS FROM START TO FINISH THAT A PERSON WHO OWNS RENTAL PROPERTY, IF HE REALLY WANTED TO KEEP THIS PROBLEM AND MAKE A PROFIT OFF OF THIS PROPERTY, THEY WOULD BRING THE HOUSE, EXCUSE ME.
BUT DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS? YOU CAN'T APPLY THAT RULE TO
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A MAN LIKE THIS, BECAUSE I'LL TELL YOU WHY.NUMBER ONE, HE'S CURRENTLY LIVING IN A RENTAL UNIT.
HIS PLANS ARE TO REMODEL ONE OF THESE HOMES HIMSELF.
HE DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF MONEY.
I MEAN, I CAN TELL THEY'RE NOT VERY, VERY WELL.
IF HE WAS WEALTHY, HE WOULD HIRE SOMEONE TO DO ALL THE WORK.
HOWEVER, HE'S DOING EVERYTHING HIMSELF.
SO HIS PLANS ARE IMPORTANT TO HIM.
I SPOKE TO HIM YESTERDAY, HE'S GOING TO REMODEL ONE, MOVE IN IT HIMSELF IN ORDER TO SAVE THE MONEY SO HE CAN REMODEL THE OTHER HOUSE.
NOW LOOK AT THIS MAN, FAMILY MAN LIVING ON THIRD AVENUE.
WE NEED THEM OVER THERE TO SET AN EXAMPLE, IF NOTHING ELSE.
AND I DON'T LIKE THAT IDEA THAT WE HAVE THESE LAWS DRACONIAN APPLY THE SAME STANDARD TO EVERYBODY.
I MEAN, WE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE SOME COMPASSION FOR FOLKS WHO WERE TRYING TO DO GOOD.
AND MY MOTION IS THAT WE GIVE HIM 90 DAYS FROM TOMORROW IN ORDER TO FINISH IT AND NOT PENALIZE HIM FOR NOT HAVING FINISHED IT IN THE INTERIM.
UM, WE HAVE RULES THAT WERE MADE TO ENSURE THAT EVERYONE IS TREATED EQUALLY, THAT THE, THAT THERE IS A STANDARD OF PERFORMANCE, FAILURE TO ENFORCE OR BACKUP THE RULES THAT WE HAVE MADE.
IT DOES AWAY WITH THE RULE ALTOGETHER, BECAUSE IT PUTS US IN A POSITION OF NEGOTIATING WITH ANYONE WHO WANTS TO COME UP HERE AND NEGOTIATE SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE RULE ON THE BOOKS.
NOW, IF YOU WANT TO PUT YOURSELF IN THE POSITION OF BEING A NEGOTIATING BOARD, RATHER THAN A RULE, A GOVERNMENT BOARD THAT SETS AN ORDINANCE AND THEN EXAMINES EXCEPTIONS WHEN THEY COME UP AND WE HAVE MADE ONE OF THEM ACCOMMODATION FOR THE GENTLEMEN BEFORE, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYBODY HERE THAT WANTS TO DESTROY THOSE PROPERTIES.
I THINK WE ALL WANT TO SEE THE FINISHED, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO NEGOTIATE WITH EVERYONE, LET'S GET RID OF THE RULE AND JUST NEGOTIATE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT FAIR TO MR. CLARK TO PULL THE RUG OUT FROM UNDER HIM.
EVERY TIME ANYBODY WANTS TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THE RULE IS.
IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A RULE, THAT'S WHAT JOHNNY IS SUPPOSED TO ENFORCE.
IF WE'RE GOING TO NEGOTIATE A DIFFERENT RULE FOR EVERYONE, JOHNNY'S ABILITY TO DO HIS JOB IS COMPROMISED.
AND WE WIND UP SITTING HERE WITH A DIFFERENT DEAL FOR EVERYBODY.
WE HAVE ACCOMMODATED THIS GENTLEMEN, WE ALL AGREE ON THAT.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HERE WANTS TO SEE THIS PROPERTY TORN DOWN AND I WOULD CROSS MY FINGERS AND HOPE THAT THIS GENTLEMAN UNDERSTANDS IF HE PERFORMS IN GOOD FAITH.
I DON'T THINK THE PROPERTY SCHOOL TO BE TORN DOWN, BUT IF HE DOES, BUT THERE HAS TO BE A RULE OR WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA START WINDING UP AND I'M NOT SAYING IT'S GOING TO BE HIM, BUT WE'RE GONNA START WINDING UP WITH MORE FIRST STREET, APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT HANG ON FOR NINE YEARS, IT'LL HAPPEN.
IF WE NEGOTIATE WITH EVERYBODY THAT COMES ALONG, AS FAR AS GETTING THE JOB FINISHED IS CONCERNED.
BUT I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT IF I THINK THAT IF WE APPLY THE RULES FAIRLY TO EVERYONE, TO EQUALLY TO EVERYONE, AND THIS GENTLEMAN SHOWS COMES BACK AND HE GETS IN A BIND, FOR SOME REASON, IT COMES BACK BEFORE US.
I THINK HE UNDERSTANDS THAT WE UNDERSTAND HIS POSITION AND I CAN'T REALLY SEE US GOING OUT THERE AND BULLDOZING A HOUSE THAT HE IS OBVIOUSLY TRYING TO MAKE AN EFFORT TO COMPLETE.
BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT TO PULL THE RUG.
I DON'T WANT TO PULL UP HIS DOOR TO PULL THE RUG OUT FROM UNDER JOHNNY.
CAN I MAKE, LET ME SAY A COUPLE THINGS ON THAT AND IN THE VEIN OF DISCUSSION, BUT YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE YOU SAID, MANCHEZ GET FIGHT AND ALL THAT.
AND WAIT, WE PROBABLY MAKE AN EXCEPTION FOR HIM AND AN EXCEPTION ON THE BACK END OF THAT EXCEPTION ON THE FRONT END, IF YOU WILL.
THE THING THAT BOTHERS ME, AND THAT'S THE REASON I ASKED THE QUESTION WAS, NUMBER ONE, WHAT IS THE GREATER GOOD THAT WE ACCOMPLISHED? AND
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I'M NOT SAYING THERE ISN'T A GROUP.I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION PHILOSOPHICALLY, IF YOU, WHAT IS A GREATER GOOD THAT WE'RE DOING FOR THE CITIZENS, FOR THE SERVICE AND THE THEORY, UH, IF WE DIDN'T GIVE DEMAND AT 90 DAYS, HE SAYS, YOU NEED TO, UM, BUT IT'S THERE NOW THAT SAFETY NET, I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT ARE WE DOING FOR ALL THE OTHER 22 POUNDS AND SOME PEOPLE TO SIT IN THEIR OFFICE AND NOT DOING IT LIKE WITH HIM, CAUSE HE'S TELLING US, BUT WHAT IS IT WE'RE DOING ALL THESE OTHER THINGS.
AND I CAN UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT IT IS WE'RE DOING FOR THEM.
I MEAN, MAYBE I NEED TO BE IN LIFE.
I'M NOT SAYING I'M RIGHT OR WRONG.
I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK THROUGH, AND YES, THERE'S A THIRD OPTION.
AND THAT THIRD OPTION IS THAT YOU'RE SAYING, FOR EXAMPLE, IT WOULD MAKE RULES THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE TO FOLLOW THAT ROUTE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF PUT ON BLINDERS AND KEEP ON DOING IT.
AND YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THAT'S NOT EXACTLY CORRECT BECAUSE MANY THINGS HAVE BEEN DONE IN HISTORY.
UH, YOU KNOW, UH, AND THEN PEOPLE FIND OUT LATER THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN DELETED AND MAYBE THEY CHANGED THE RULES OF FOOTBALL AND NOT SAY, WELL, WE'VE DONE IT TO A HUNDRED IN A ROW WITH BIAS.
YOU KNOW? SO I HAVE A PROBLEM PERSONALLY, WITH THE WILL OF MAN AND KEVIN TELLING ME SO TO SPEAK THAT HE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE FAILURE WHEN IT COMES UP HERE AND SAY TWO DAYS.
AND YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T, I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING SUCCEED WHEN THE TASTE OF FAILURE WAS ABOUT IT FOR THE FIRST STAR, IT AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN.
I MEAN, I KNOW IT SAYS RIGHT HERE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE NICE AND A GUY WHO HAS NOT DONE THE JOB AS, AS, AS, AS BY THAT ADMISSION.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, ALL I'M TRYING TO SAY AND, UH, HAD A GREAT ROCK ON THAT.
UH, IN MY OPINION, WE NEED TO
BUT IF THE BAND IS REWIRED, THE HOUSE WORKING ON AND DOING THE BEST HE CAN, AND IT'S NOT ANYBODY LIVING IN THE HOUSE AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING BACKWARDS, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY GOING FORWARD.
THEY JUST PASS ON THE POSITIVE.
MR. MAYOR, I WANT IT CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD.
I DON'T TEAR THE HOUSE DOWN, BUT ALL RIGHT, I'LL OFFER A SUBSTITUTE MOTION TO JUST DO AWAY WITH THE ORDINANCE ALTOGETHER, BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO NO, BECAUSE NO, NO, IT ISN'T BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM, IF THE NEXT PERSON COMES UP AND WE NEGOTIATE A DIFFERENT DEAL AND THE NEXT PERSON COMES UP AND WE NEGOTIATE A DIFFERENT DEAL, I AGREE WITH YOU.
NUMBER ONE, WE NEED THE HOUSING, BUT I CAN'T UNDERSTAND KEEPING JOHNNY BUSY, TRYING TO ENFORCE AN ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BACK HIM UP ON.
WHY DO WE HAVE THE ORDINANCE? AND IF YOU WANT TO DO WITH THE WAY WITH THE ORDINANCE OR MODIFY IT, THAT'S FINE WITH ME, BUT THAT'S, BUT I'M NOT PROPOSING IT TONIGHT.
I WANT IT UNDERSTOOD THAT I FIRMLY BELIEVE AND EVERYBODY KNOWING WHAT THE RULE IS AND IT BEING APPLIED EVENLY.
BUT WE REMEMBER WE HAVE CHANGED.
WE HAVEN'T GIVEN HIM AN EXCEPTION TO THIS RULE.
WE HAVE ACCOMMODATED HIS NEEDS.
WE ARE NOT BAD GUYS, AND WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CAUSE HIM PROBLEMS. BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO, LIKE I SAY, I CAN'T MAKE IT ANY CLEARER.
IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO NEGOTIATE WITH ONE PERSON, IT PUTS US IN A POSITION OF IT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT TO NEGOTIATE, TO NOT NEGOTIATE WITH THE NEXT PERSON.
THEREFORE, WHY HAVE THE RULE AND WHY PUT JOHNNY IN THE POSITION OF TRYING TO ENFORCE A RULE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BACK HIM UP, LET'S DO AWAY WITH THE RULE.
LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT ALL, BUT LET'S TAKE A LOOK AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ACCOMPLISHING THE GREATER GOOD FOR EVERYBODY.
AND THIS SPECIFIC, THIS SPECIFIC CASE, IT WAS MARS.
THE ONLY CONTINGENT THAT WE NEEDED WAS YOU FOR YOU TO COME UP WITH A $2,000.
THERE'S NO DISCUSSION ABOUT EXTENDING THE TIME.
SO WE AGREED TO WORK WITH YOU.
AND THE ONLY CONTINGENCY WAS IT WOULD GIVE YOU THE EXTRA TWO WEEKS TO COME UP WITH THE $2,000.
THERE WAS NEVER ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT, WELL, I NEED 60 DAYS OR I NEED 90 DAYS.
YES, IT WAS, THERE WAS A MENTION OF THE ADDITIONAL TIME.
WHEN I, WHEN I COME UP WITH THE MONEY TO GET THE ADDITIONAL TIME, THERE WAS NO MENTION OF THE $50 OR A DAY OF THE PREVIOUS, OR NICK MENTIONED, GORDON MENTIONED THAT HE, HE TOOK THE PLUMBING MONEY, TRANSFER RAY, THE $2,000
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AND HE NEEDS 30 MORE DAYS TO REPLACE THE PLUMBING MONEY.YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S CALLED WITH THE CLOCK STARTED TONIGHT OR WHEN IT STARTED THE MONTH.
AND THE REAL QUESTION IS, DID WE, DID WE JUST SAY, OKAY, CLOCK STARTS TONIGHT.
IF YOU, THE TIME THAT YOU NEED TO MAKE IT DONE, OR DID WE JUST SAY, WELL, NOW, YOU KNOW, THE LITTLE CHECK ON THE BOX THAT IT WAS LAST LAST AND ASK THE QUESTIONS.
AND MAX IS CORRECT IN SAYING THAT WE DON'T NEED TO BE SITTING DOWN HERE NEGOTIATING THIS THING EVERY TIME.
BUT IF IT BEGS NEGOTIATION, THEN MAYBE WE NEED TO TAKE IT AND LOOK AT THE LAW, THE ORDINANCE.
YOU CAN LOOK AT THIS THING AND JUST SEE HOW IT DOES AND THAT'S THAT DRIVE.
AND I MEAN, IT'S THE WAY LAWS COME ABOUT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO GET EVERYBODY TO, BUT WE'RE GOING TO JUST LEAVE IT.
OPEN-ENDED TO GIVE HIM WHAT'S THE TIME PERIOD.
IT'S NOT A DAY STORE TOMORROW.
WELL, AS SOON AS IT WAS, I CALLED THE QUESTION, BUT I'D LIKE TO HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY'S DO ON IT.
I MEAN, IT'S LIKE TRYING TO SLAM THE DOOR ON THE DISCUSSION.
THE WEIRDEST PART OF THE DISCUSSION STAGE IS ALL I'M SAYING YOU HAVE SOMETHING FURTHER.
AND JUST ASK NOW IN THE FURTHER DISCUSSION, JUST ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY, WHAT IS HE COULDN'T HEAR IT.
THE ONLY THING I CAN SAY, ECHO, WHAT HAS BEEN SAID.
IT MAKES ME VERY GOOD CODE THAT THIS BOARD, IF EVERY TIME ONE OF THESE QUESTIONS COMES UP, BACK, FORTH, BACK, FORTH, BACK AND FORTH, LIKE THE LAST MEETING, HE PRESENTED AN ORDINANCE AND A CONTRACT, SAME ONES THAT ARE IN THIS ROBIN AND EMOTION THAT TABLE FOR TWO WEEKS, GIVING HER AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP WITHOUT ALL OF THE, AND NOW WE'VE BEEN 30 MINUTES GOING OVER IT AS TO WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE 30 DAYS, 60 DAYS, 90 DAYS, 20 DAYS, WHATEVER, MAKING A POINT.
AND I WOULD, YOU KNOW, SPEAKING FOR MS. KAUFMAN, AND I THINK HE MADE THE SAME THING.
NONE OF THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD CAN DO AS YOU WILL.
BUT WHEN YOU DO THIS, YOU JUST OPEN YOURSELF UP FOR THE NEXT ONE BECAUSE, UH, THE ORDINANCE IS APPLE.
AND, UH, BUT YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, THE WALL AS WRITTEN IS DRY CONEY.
AND WHEN IT'S APPLIED TO CERTAIN FOLKS, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS MAN, AND I SEE HIS SITUATION, I CAN'T HELP BUT FEEL COMPASSIONATE FOR HIM BECAUSE THAT COULD BE ME IN A SITUATION WE RODE AROUND ON A BUS, EXCUSE ME, EXCUSE ME.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO STATE THAT MR. CLARK HIMSELF TOLD ME IN HIS OFFICE THAT IF I CAME HERE WITH THE $2,000, THAT YOU WOULD MOST MO MOST AND MORE LIKELY GIVE ME THE ADDITIONAL TIMES TO COMPLETE MY PROPERTY.
AND, UH, I ASKED HIM MYSELF WITH THE 90 DAYS BE, UH, WOULD THE BOARD AGREE ON GIVING ME AN ADDITIONAL NINE DAYS? HE TOLD ME YES.
MOST, MOST MORE THAN LIKELY BEFORE THE FIRST MEETING THAT WAS AT A MEETING IN MY OFFICE.
BECAUSE I TOLD HIM WHAT THE BOARD HAD BEEN DOING THE BOARD AT SCREENING EXTENSIVE.
BUT, BUT THE THING ABOUT IT IS TWO WEEKS AGO WAS WHEN HE CAME BEFORE TO HIS BOARD AND HE TOLD ME IN MY OFFICE, HE WOULD HAVE A FEW THOUSAND DOLLARS.
AND THEN THE 90 DAYS WOULD START ON JUNE THE 27TH, MR. CLARK, BY THE ORDINANCE IS SUPPOSED TO START.
EXTENSION GOES FROM THE TIME THAT THE CLOCK WAS START IN GENIE.
HE'S JUST CARRYING OUT A LOT, WHICH IS HIS JOB.
AND THE QUESTION BECOMES, JOHN, HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN DEALING WITH PROPERTY? THIS IS NOT WHAT I'M THE POINT I'M MAKING IS THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT CAME UP TWO WEEKS AGO.
HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN GOING ON? WE HAD A HEARING ON THIS BACK IN.
WE HAD AN EAR ON HIS HOUSE AND THAT'S WHEN HE WAS GIVEN A SEAT TODAY, OR YOU BRING YOUR DWELLINGS INTO COMPLIANCE THIS YEAR? YES, SIR.
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A LITTLE BIT? TWO YEARS.I MEAN, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING THESE PROPERTIES, ADMIN VACANT FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS WITH NO WORK AT ALL DONE TO THEM.
I JUST WANT TO DEALT WITH A MAN.
I THINK WE ALL WHAT ARE WE VOTING ON TOGETHER? TELL US WHAT WE'RE 90 DAYS FROM TOMORROW, TOMORROW WITH DR.
MAX, DO YOU STILL WANT TO TALK ABOUT, I'M NOT GOING TO GET A SECOND AND I WILL REALIZE THAT IT WAS TO MAKE A POET AS, UH, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID.
IF WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE ORDINANCE, IT'S BETTER.
I THINK IT'S BETTER TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE ORDINANCE THEN TO NEGOTIATE EVERY TIME SOMEONE DOESN'T LIKE IT OR DOESN'T FEEL THEY CAN MEET
WHAT WE TALKING ABOUT IS THE ORDINANCE THAT JOHNNY IS ENFORCED AND THAT'S THE ONE I'M SAYING WE MAY STILL AGREE TO THIS CORRECT THING THAT KEEPS US FROM ALL THESE CHANGES.
ANYWAY, THERE'S A MOTION TO SECOND.
DO WE NEED A ROLL CALL PLEASE?
UM, WHAT HAPPENS IF WE VOTE? NO AGAINST HIM.
OH, WELL I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONVERSATION.
I'VE TRIED NOT TO GET INTO THAT WHILE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT.
BUT I THINK IF, IF YOU CONSIDER WHY WE BROUGHT THIS UP WAS THE OBJECTIVE WAS TO FIX UP THESE OLD HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE OBJECTIVE WAS TO CLEAN UP THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND MANY OF THOSE ORDINANCES THAT ARE ON THE BOOK THAT WERE ENFORCEMENT, WE OURSELVES ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH.
AND SO MAYBE WE REMISS IN THAT WE DIDN'T BECOME FAMILIAR WITH THEM.
WE NEED TO BECOME FAMILIAR WITH THESE ORDINANCES BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN BEING ENFORCED.
AND SO NOW WE'RE BEING INTRODUCED TO IT AND IT MIGHT BE THAT WE DO NEED TO RELOOK AT THESE ORDINANCES AND FIND OUT IF IT COMPLIES WITH OUR OBJECTIVE.
LET'S PUT IT ON THE WORK SESSION AND, AND DEAL WITH IT.
AND IT SHOULDN'T BE DONE FROM TAB TO TAB.
ANYWAY, THAT'S WHY ORDINANCES AGAINST SPITTING ON THE SIDEWALK AND THE HORSE DOING HIS BUSINESS.
I JUST WANT TO SAY ONE THING, PLEASE GET IT DONE IN 60 DAYS.
WE MODIFIED THE ROLE IN YOUR CASE BECAUSE WE THINK YOU'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING.
WE WANT TO SEE YOU SUCCEED, BUT DO IT AS FAST AS YOU CAN.
DON'T WAIT ON THE DAY TO GET THE INSPECTORS IN THERE TO APPROVE IT, WORK AS FAST AS YOU CAN, AS SMART AS YOU CAN AND GET IT DONE QUICKLY BEFORE WE WANT TO SEE THE HOUSE IS FINISHED.
WE WANT YOU TO BE ABLE TO DO BOTH OF THEM.
SO DO I TRUST ME, BUT IF YOU COME BACK NOW AND ASK FOR AN EXTENSION AFTER BEING GIVEN THE 90 DAYS, IT'S GOING TO MAKE WELL, IF I MAY SAY SO, ALL I FEEL PART OF THE PROBLEM IS, AND I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO CHANGE THE RULES EITHER, BUT I DO SEE A PROBLEM WHEN YOU DO HAVE INSPECTORS COMING OUT AT CERTAIN TIMES, AND THEN THERE'S CERTAIN TIMES THAT THEY MAY, CANNOT MAKE IT OUT.
AND THAT ALSO DELAYS YOUR TIMING.
AND I MEAN, I HAVE TO WORK AS WELL.
YOU KNOW, I HAVE A JOB CAUSE I HAVE A FAMILY TO TAKE CARE OF AND IT'S NOT LIKE THAT I CAN GET IN THERE EVERY DAY AND DO THE WORK TO THESE HOUSES WHEN I HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO MY JOB AS WELL.
THAT'S IT REALLY? AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I KNOW THE INSPECTION WORKS HARD, BUT THEY GOT TO, I WOULDN'T BE IN
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IT TAN.HE'S GOT THE JOB, BUT YOU ARE RIGHT.
IN MY OPINION, WHEN YOU INDIVIDUALS UNDER ATTACK AND STRAINED AND HE DOESN'T HAVE CONTROL AND ALL THE MOVING TARGETS THAT HE'S GOT TO PUT TOGETHER TO MAKE THAT GO, AND THAT CAN GET VERY FRUSTRATING.
AND THAT'S WHY I BLAME THE RIGHT.
I CAN LOOK AT THE THING TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW, THAT WE ALL COMING TOGETHER ANYWAY, WE'VE DONE WHAT WE CAN DO FOR THE MINE ON THAT ONE.
IT WASN'T MENTAL STRAIN WITHOUT, WITHOUT IT, YOU CAN SELL IT TO PROMOTION.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO NOTHING IT'S LATE.
I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK ABOUT THE, UM, HE'S PLEASANT HILL DRIVE.
WE HAVE ACTUALLY JUST CAME UP ON MY MIND A COUPLE OF DAYS FOR YOU TO CALL ME.
UH, WE ARE WAITING FOR BUDGET ROLL OVER AND ALL THESE KINDS OF THINGS.
I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE SEEING SOME ACTIVITY IN THAT VERY SHORT FOUR TO FIVE.
WE NEED TO GET INVOLVED WITH THE INDIVIDUALS OUT THERE BECAUSE IF THEY'RE NOT IN AGREEMENT OF GIVING US THE EASEMENT PROPERTIES, BUT, UM, WE, WE SHOULD BE STARTING SOMETHING VISUAL.
IF DANNY HAPPENS TO KNOW OR NOT WHETHER OR NOT WHAT THE SCHEDULE THE STATE HAS FOR COMING BACK AND PAVING THE STREETS LIKE GLEN BURNIE THAT, UH, HAPPENED PARTIALLY REPAIRED.
BUT WHILE THEY'D BEEN REPAIRED, THE POTHOLES FILLED, BUT THE ROUGH SECTIONS, THEY, IT HASN'T BEEN PAYING YET.
I HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM.
UH, THE CONTRACT HAS BEEN OLED AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COMPLETION DATE IS, IS PRETTY MUCH OUT OF VOT.
SAM WANTS TO THAT CONTRACT EXCEPT WHEN THE COMPLETE DATE COMES UP.
I THINK IT'S GENERALLY, THEY RUN TO ABOUT SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER.
AND SO I WOULD THINK IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS, BUT THE SAD PART ABOUT THESE ARE THEY'RE SO CLOSE TO THE PLANT.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE LAST ONES BECAUSE YOU CAN HAVE PRODUCTION ON LOADS THAT YOU'VE DONE.
IT'S GOING TO BE TOWARD THE END OF THIS CONTRACT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE THE PRODUCTION A LITTLE BIT FURTHER OUT, BUT I UNDERSTAND YOUR ANSWER IS SEPTEMBER.
YOU GOT ME IN THE LAST BOAT, MAN.
WELL, YOU CAN UNDERSTAND BECAUSE YOU WORK OUT IN YOU DON'T ALRIGHT.
NEXT THING WE GOT IS THE ATTORNEY'S REPORT WITH THE WAR.
JUST ONE THING, AS YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN WORKING ON SEVERAL OUT, BRIAN, BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT'S GOOD.
THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO PUT WORDS.