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MAYBE WE JOIN OUR HEARTS IN PRAYER, OUR FATHER WHO ART IN HEAVEN.
WE HALLOW YOUR NAME AND ASK YOUR PRESENCE HERE TONIGHT.
LORD, I ASK YOU TO TOUCH EVERY PERSON HERE.
LORD GRANT WISDOM AND DIRECTION AND GUIDANCE.
MAY THESE MEETINGS BE EDIFYING TO EVERYONE CONCERNED? LORD GRANT WISDOM.
I'M ASKING YOU TO BE MANIFESTLY, PRESENT IN EVERY HEART AND DRAW US ALL UNTO YOU IN A DEEPER WAY.
NOW, BEFORE ANYBODY SAYS ANYTHING ABOUT LAMPS, I WASN'T ABLE TO DRESS MYSELF.
I NOTICED THAT BEFORE YOU GET ME, I GOT THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION TODAY VERSUS A NICE GROUP THAT I MET THE FIRST YEAR I WAS MAYOR.
AND THEY DO SOME ONE REMIND EVERYBODY ABOUT OUR HERITAGE, OF WHERE I CAME FROM AND WHAT IT STANDS FOR WHEN THAT BLACK THING TODAY GLARE AT CONSTITUTION WEEK.
AND THEY WERE KIND ENOUGH TO GIVE ME SOME SMALL COPIES OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES.
AND I BROUGHT SOME WOMEN TONIGHT TO CALL SINCE WE HAVE SWORN TO UPHOLD IT.
I THINK WE ALL KNOW WHAT IT IS AND I'M GOING TO HAND THEM OUT THERE, BUT JUST AS A POINT OF REFERENCE.
SO WE NEED THAT AND DON'T BRING UP THAT PART ABOUT FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
FIRST THING WE HAVE TONIGHT IS INTRODUCE THE NEWLY PROMOTED PERSONNEL AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
DO YOU NEED A CONSULTATION? I HAVE MY POCKET VERSION RIGHT HERE, SIR.
GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
IT'S ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO COME BEFORE YOU WITH GOOD NEWS ABOUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND TONIGHT IS, UH, PROBABLY SOME OF THE PROUDEST NEWS I HAVE TO BRING YOU.
WE'VE GONE THROUGH A, AN EXTENSIVE PROMOTION PROCESS FOR THE RANKS OF SERGEANT AND LIEUTENANT AND, UH, EFFECTIVE SEPTEMBER 6TH.
WE MADE A FOUR PROMOTIONS THAT I'M PARTICULARLY PROUD OF, AND I THINK YOU WILL BE TOO.
AND I KNOW THAT THE COMMUNITY WILL, WILL REALLY APPRECIATE THE QUALITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MOVING INTO OUR SUPERVISORY RANKS IN THE DEPARTMENT.
UH, I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE, UH, FOUR PEOPLE TO YOU TONIGHT.
ONE HAD TO, UH, ATTEND TO A FAMILY EMERGENCY AND, UH, UNFORTUNATELY HE CAN'T BE HERE, BUT I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU HIS NAME AND A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON HIM REAL QUICK.
UH, EVEN THOUGH HE CAN'T BE HERE, DETECTIVE TRUETT WAS PROMOTED TO THE RANK OF SERGEANT EFFECTIVE SEPTEMBER 6TH AND HIS ASSIGNMENT IS YET TO BE DETERMINED.
GEORGE'S FROM SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS, AND HE JOINED THE UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS IN 1967 AND RETIRED AS A MASTER SERGEANT IN OCTOBER, 1987.
GEORGE WAS HIRED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN AUGUST OF 89 AS A PATROL OFFICER.
AND HE WAS SOON TRANSFERRED INTO THE TRAINING SECTION.
HE'S CURRENTLY, HE WAS A DETECTIVE IN THE MEDICATION UNIT UNTIL THE 6TH OF SEPTEMBER, AND HE'S ALSO ONE OF OUR VERY DISTINGUISHED FIREARMS INSTRUCTORS AND A DRIVING INSTRUCTOR FOR THE DEPARTMENT.
HE'S MARRIED TO A VALEREA TRUET AND THEY HAVE FOUR CHILDREN AND HE MADE ME PROMISE TO MENTION HIS THREE GRANDCHILDREN.
AND UNFORTUNATELY HE CAN'T BE HERE TONIGHT, BUT, UM, I CONGRATULATE HIM FOR HIS PROMOTION AND I WANTED TO RECOGNIZE HIM IN FRONT OF YOU.
THE NEXT PERSON I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE IS, UH, DETECTIVE JOHN SMITH, WHO IS NOW SERGEANT JOHN SMITH.
JOHN, WOULD YOU COME ON UP? JOHN'S ASSIGNMENT ALSO, HASN'T BEEN DETERMINED YET.
UH, WE'RE DOING THAT PROCESS OF SELECTING SERGEANTS FOR DIFFERENT POSITIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE.
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CALIFORNIA, AND HE JOINED THE MARINE CORPS IN 1981 AND SERVED UNTIL 1992.HE JOINED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN 93 AS A PATROL OFFICER AND WAS LATER TRANSFERRED TO NARCOTICS UNIT.
UH, HE HAS RECENTLY BEEN REASSIGNED AS A PATROL INVESTIGATOR, EVEN MORE RECENTLY BEEN PROMOTED TO SERGEANT, UH, OF JOHN'S MANY ACCOMPLISHMENTS, ESPECIALLY IN THE NARCOTICS UNIT THIS YEAR.
HE WAS SELECTED AS THE NORTH CAROLINA ANACONEX OFFICER OF THE YEAR.
AND NOW THAT'S A VERY HONORED DISTINCTION FOR HIM.
JOHN HAS FOUR CHILDREN, ALL GIRLS, AND HE MADE, HE MADE ME PROMISE TO TELL YOU THAT.
SO I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE SERGEANT JOHN SMITH THAT I KNOW THAT ARE KNOWN TO SOME OLD FOLK ON THE STREET I SUBMITTED NEXT.
I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE TO YOU NEWLY PROMOTED.
SERGEANT KEN HUNTER KENNIS FROM MARSHALLTOWN, IOWA, AND HE JOINED THE MARINE CORPS IN FEBRUARY OF 1970 AND RETIRED IN 1995 AS A MASTER GUNNERY SERGEANT.
HE WAS HIRED BY THE NEWBERN POLICE DEPARTMENT IN MAY OF 1995 AND WAS ASSIGNED TO THE TRAFFIC UNIT IN OCTOBER OF 1995, UH, UP UNTIL HIS PROMOTION TO SERGEANT, UH, HE IS A MOTORCYCLE OFFICER AND HAS DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB IN THE TRAFFIC UNIT, RIGHT FROM ITS INCEPTION AND WORK VERY HARD TO ACCOMPLISH ALL OF THE GOALS OF THE UNIT, WHICH IS PRIMARILY TO REDUCE TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS AND INJURIES AND FATALITIES IN THE CITY.
AND WE HAVE A STERLING RECORD IN THAT DEPARTMENT.
UM, KEN HAS A BACHELOR'S DEGREE FROM WHALING BAPTIST UNIVERSITY IN, UH, PLAINVILLE, TEXAS, AND HE'S MARRIED TO CAROL DOBBS AND THEY HAVE THREE CHILDREN AND HE PROMISED, MADE ME PROMISE TO SAY HE HAS THREE GRANDCHILDREN AND A FOURTH ONE ON THE WAY AND LAST, BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST.
IT'S MY PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE TO YOU LIEUTENANT WINDOW.
IT'S GOING TO TAKE ME SOME TIME TO READ THIS LIEUTENANT.
UH, THAT'S ASSIGNMENT HAS BEEN DETERMINED AND SHE SHE'S NOW IN COMMAND OF THE BRAVO SECTION OF THE PATROL DIVISION, WHICH IS HALF OF THE PATROL DIVISION THAT YOU SEE ON THE STREETS EVERY DAY.
AND EVERY NIGHT, HER RESPONSIBILITY IS FOR THE THREE PATROL TEAMS AND ALL OF THEIR ACTIVITIES.
SHE REPORTS TO CAPTAIN BECKTON.
WHO'S THE PATROL DIVISION COMMANDER.
WHO'S HERE TONIGHT, ALONG WITH CAPTAIN SETSER, LET'S SEE HERE.
NOW LINDA'S A GRADUATE OF PAMLICO HIGH SCHOOL IN 1980 AND FROM CRAVEN COMMUNITY COLLEGE IN 88 WITH AN ASSOCIATES DEGREE IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE, SHE STARTED A LAW ENFORCEMENT CAREER AND ACTS AS AN AUXILIARY OFFICER FOR THE RIVER BEND POLICE DEPARTMENT IN 19 88, 1 OF OUR MANY CAPTURES FROM THE RIVERBEND POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SHE WAS HIRED BY THE NEWBURN POLICE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN AUGUST OF 88 AS A PATROL OFFICER, SHE WAS TRANSFERRED TO THE NARCOTICS UNIT IN 1989 AND STAYED THERE UNTIL 1996.
SHE WAS THEN PROMOTED TO SERGEANT AND SUPERVISE THE COPS UNITS.
SHE WAS LATER TRANSFERRED TO COMMUNITY SERVICES UNIT, AND I STOLE HER FROM THERE AND PUT HER AS A LIEUTENANT IN THE PATROL DIVISION.
NOW LINDA'S MARRIED TO ARTISTS, UH, GOOD DEBT, AND THEY HAVE FOUR CHILDREN.
HER BROTHER, WHO IS A DISTINGUISHED NARCOTICS DETECTIVE FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS ON HIS TRIP.
WOULD ASK THE OFFICER FROM LAPD, HOW WE PREPARE HERE IN
NEXT THING WE HAVE IS THE, UH, REQUEST AND PETITION OF CITIZENS.
IF WE'VE GOT ANYBODY HERE, IT'S HERE FOR THAT TONIGHT.
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PLEASE MA'AM MICROPHONE.THAT WAS ALSO WHEN YOU MET, COME UP HERE TO THE MICROPHONE.
I WAS HERE TWO MONTHS AGO AND I BROUGHT YOU THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAD AS RESIDENTS, RETIRED RESIDENTS TO THE NEWBURN HISTORIC DISTRICT.
I BOUGHT YOU CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROPERTY, UH, JOINING US AT FIVE 20 JOHNSON STRAIGHT PROPERTY THAT I UNDERSTAND MR. BAYLESS FINDS EXTREMELY DISTURBING.
EVERY TIME HE DRIVES BY IT AND SAYS THAT HE WOULD BE SQUAWKING AND MAKING NOISES ABOUT IT.
IF HE WERE RESIDING NEXT TO IT.
AND WE DISCUSSED IT TODAY AND THERE WERE SEVERAL GRAY AREAS, JEWELS, AND I'M VERY SORRY THAT I HAVE TO BRING THEM BACK HERE BECAUSE I FEEL THAT THEY WERE VERY NEBULOUS AND I FEEL THAT THEY ARE, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO GET TO UP.
AND THOSE GREAT AREAS BE DISCUSSED WITH STAMP CITY MANAGER AND MYSELF WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND THE REASON I'M ASKING IS BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES IN THE PAST, THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF TIMES WHERE RESIDENTS HAVE COME IN FOR THIS BOARD TO ASK CERTAIN THINGS, CERTAIN THINGS.
AND WHAT HAPPENED IS THE BOARD, WHATEVER THAT ALL, WHEN THEY GET TO MEET WITH YOU AND MEET WITH STAFF TO, TO, TO DISCUSS IT.
AND WHAT HAPPENS IS THIS BOARD WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT UNTIL STAFF, UH, ENLIGHTEN THEM AS TO WHAT THE, WHAT HAPPENED IN THE MEETING.
BUT THE IDEA OF IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE ON WITH IT STANDARD, BUT WHATEVER HAPPENS, WE HAVE TO BE EVERY DAY, I CAN'T SELL MY HOUSE BECAUSE OF THIS IS COSTING ME MONEY.
BUT IF YOU REMEMBER A MONTH, TWO MONTHS AGO, WE SAT DOWN AND BEGAN THE PROCESS TO TRY IT, BUT IT DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE TODAY.
YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT I AM VISIBLY FRUSTRATED.
16 OF THOSE PEOPLE WERE RETIRED, SENIOR CITIZENS LIVING IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WE HAD FOUR REALTORS PRESENT AT THE MEETING THIS AFTERNOON.
THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM AN UNBIASED NATURE.
THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM REAL ESTATE AND HOW IT IS AFFECTED IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT BY NOT JUST THE PROPERTY NEXT TO ME, BUT BY OTHER PROPERTIES THAT ARE IN SIMILAR DISREPAIR AND WHERE THERE ARE SCOFFLAW LANDLORDS.
I ASKED MR. CLARK, WHO I KNOW HAS HIS HANDS TIED IN MANY WAY, WHO HAS A TREMENDOUS CASELOAD TO DEAL WITH THREE PARTICULAR QUESTIONS.
I ASKED HIM WHY THIS HAS BEEN PERMITTED TO GO ON SINCE 1991, WHEN OUR FIRST PETITION CAME BEFORE THE CITY, THE CITY INSPECTIONS DEPARTMENT, AND HE SEEMED TO INDICATE THAT IT SLIPPED THROUGH CRACKS.
THE MAN DID MINIMAL MAINTENANCE AND THAT THERE WAS NO FEASIBLE WAY HE COULD GO TO COURT.
AND WHEN I THEN ASKED HIM WHY, SINCE MAY OF 1999, WHEN THE LAST INSPECTIONS WERE MADE PRIOR TO MY VISIT HERE, TWO MONTHS AGO, NOTHING WAS DONE TO FOLLOW UP ON THE CODE VIOLATIONS.
HE ADVISED US THAT THERE WAS NO ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE HE WAS ADVISED AGAINST IT.
I THEN ASKED HIM ABOUT HISTORIC PRESERVATION RULES AND WHY THEY DID NOT APPLY WHY THE HPC COULD FIND A GROUP OF ATTORNEYS, A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY BECAUSE THEY PAINTED A BUILDING THE WRONG COLOR AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY FUNDS YET.
NOTHING COULD BE DONE AND FOLLOWED THROUGH ON THIS MAN'S DISTINCT AND CONTINUOUS VIOLATIONS.
HIS NON-PAYMENT OF TAXES, HIS, UM, LACKADAISICAL, IF NOT WORSE ATTITUDE, TOWARDS MAINTENANCE OF HIS PROPERTIES AND HIS LACK OF RESPONSIBILITY.
AND I WAS TOLD BY BULLET'S ATTORNEY AND OTHERS PRESENT.
THEY DON'T LIKE TO GO TO COURT AND NOT WIN.
UM, THE CITY HAS SEEN FIT IN THE PAST TO ENACT SPECIAL LEGISLATIONS WHERE IT HAS BEEN NECESSARY, WHERE THERE HAVE BEEN QUESTIONS.
AND I HAVE BEEN PRIVY TO THIS.
I HAVE SEEN IT HAPPEN WHERE THERE HAVE BEEN THINGS DONE THAT THE CITY ACTED UPON BECAUSE IT WAS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF A NEIGHBORHOOD, A PROPERTY OWNER OR WHATEVER WE ARE ASKING NOW THAT YOU SERIOUSLY REVIEW THE RESULTS OF THIS HEARING TODAY, WHICH ARE NOT GOING TO BE ANY DIFFERENT THAN THE ONE LAST YEAR IN MAY, BECAUSE IT APPEARS THAT THERE IS NO WAY THAT THIS
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BOARD CAN ADDRESS EXTERIOR MAINTENANCE OF PROPERTIES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WITH ANY REGULATION THAT HAS TEETH IN IT.YOU CAN'T GO TO COURT AND WIN AS MR. DAVIS SAID, AND HE DOES.
THEY DON'T WANT TO WASTE CITY MONEY AND NOT WIN.
WELL, THERE WERE THREE PEOPLE IN OUR AUDIENCE.
HE SAID, WE'RE ALL TAXPAYERS, TAKE IT TO COURT.
WHEN WE REALIZE THAT THAT SOME MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD MAY BE THREATENED BY MORE STRINGENT REGULATIONS REGARDING MINT MAINTENANCE BECAUSE OF THEIR CONSTITUENCY.
MAYBE SOME PEOPLE IN CERTAIN DISTRICTS DON'T LIKE IT, BUT WE ARE THE BREAD AND BUTTER DISTRICT OF THIS COMMUNITY.
WE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO DO THIS PERIODICALLY FOR THEM FROM THE NEW YORK TIMES.
WE ARE THE ONES WHO SPEND TWICE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY ON OUR INSURANCE FOR OUR HOMES, BECAUSE THEY ARE OLD HOMES AND INSURANCE COMPANIES DON'T WANT WINS TO INSURE THEM.
WE PAY TWICE AS MUCH TO GET ANYTHING PAINTED, FIXED, OR REPAIRED.
AND THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT THIS BOARD CAN DO TO KEEP THE VALUE OF OUR HOMES AND TO ENABLE US TO SELL THEM.
I CAN'T SELL MY HOME NOW BECAUSE OF THIS.
NOW THIS MAN HAS NOT PAID TAXES ON HIS PROPERTY FOR THREE YEARS, AND I'M CONSIDERING NOT PAYING TAXES ON MINE BECAUSE I CAN'T SELL IT.
I'VE HAD THREE REALTORS COME TO ME AND TALK TO ME ABOUT IT.
AND I JUST, YOU KNOW, I CAME AWAY TOTALLY FRUSTRATED AND I REALIZED I'M VENTING MY SPLEEN, BUT I HAVE TO DO THIS BECAUSE THIS IS THE ONLY WAY I'M SUPPOSED TO GET SOMETHING DONE.
AND THAT'S GO TO THE PUBLIC, GO TO THE PEOPLE WHO REPRESENT YOU AND SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO ABOUT IT.
AND MR MAYOR, YOU SAID IT AT THE MEETING WITH THE FOLKS THE OTHER NIGHT, YOU'RE VISIBLY UPSET ABOUT IT.
AND I WOULD ASK THAT YOU DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
WELL, WHAT I'VE SAID IS THAT OBVIOUSLY FEELS THAT ON THE REST OF THE MIC, MISQUOTING MYSELF, WHEN EVERYBODY WAS SO UPSET ABOUT, UH, THE MAN NOT PAINTING HIS HOUSE AND ALL THAT TYPE OF THING, AND I'M UPSET CHECK MY BLOOD PRESSURE RIGHT NOW.
YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY, THEY ACTED LIKE IT WAS FALLING ON DEAF EARS.
AND THAT'S WHY I ASSURED THEM THAT IT WAS NOT FALLING ON DEAF EARS.
THAT, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T PAINT THE HOUSE AND LEAVES IT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE THE ONE WHO PROMISED ME, YOU'D GET IT PAINTED.
I'D LIKE TO, BASED ON WHAT YOU JUST SAID, IS IT TRUE THAT DEMAND IS PAYING NO TAXES.
I WENT DOWN TO THE TAX OFFICE, CRAVEN COUNTY TAX OFFICE, AND I GOT A PRINT OUT.
I MEAN, THIS MAN HAS NOT PAID TAXES.
YOU'VE MOWED HIS AND DONE ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS TO SORT OF SEMI KEEP IT UP.
AND, UH, HE'S NOT PAID THAT WELL, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK MR. EDDIE KNOWS ALL OF THE, I PROBABLY HAVE MORE FIGURES AND NUMBERS AND HE HAS IN FRONT OF HIM.
BUT, UM, I REALLY THINK THAT YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS ANOTHER ASPECT.
MR. CLARK IS DEALING WITH INTERNAL, UH, CODE VIOLATIONS, WHETHER A LAW, WHETHER A PLUG HAS A COVER PLATE OVER IT.
AND WHETHER A LIGHT BULB IS FROM AN EXPOSED SOCKET AND THINGS OF THAT SORT, THAT'S IMPORTANT TO THE TENDENCY WITHIN THAT BUILDING, WHETHER HE HAS SMOKE DETECTORS IS IMPORTANT TO THE TENDENCY WITHIN THAT BUILDING.
BUT WHAT HE DOES WITH THE EXTERIOR IS IMPORTANT TO THOSE OF US WHO LIVE ON THAT BLOCK IN THAT DISTRICT.
AND I THINK THAT YOU HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE'VE IDENTIFIED AS AN ASSOCIATION, WE'VE IDENTIFIED 15 PROPERTIES THAT NEED HELP A GREAT DEAL OF HELP IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
AND I THINK YOU HAVE GOT TO ADDRESS THEM.
AND I KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO GO BEYOND OUR DOWNTOWN AREA BECAUSE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE MET WITH RESIDENTS OF OTHER HISTORIC AREAS AND THEY ARE ALL VISIBLY CONCERNED BECAUSE MY SITUATION HAS GONE VIA THE GRAPEVINE.
WELL, I MEAN, LET ME, LET ME TELL YOU THIS.
I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT WHETHER YOU LIVE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OR WHEREVER YOU LIVE, THAT THE CONDITION OF YOUR NEIGHBORS HOME HAS A DIRECT IMPACT AND IMPACT ON THE PERSON WHO LIVES IN THE, IN THE OTHER HOME, TRYING TO KEEP THE PLACE TO LIVE.
SO REALLY, YOU KNOW, MY POINT IS WHETHER YOU LIVE IN A BIG, EXPENSIVE HOUSE, FOUR OR A LITTLE SMALLER HOUSE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE, WELL, ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT THE SAME THINGS THAT ARE IMPACTING YOU IMPACT OTHER PEOPLE FOR THE SAME REASON THAT MAYBE LIVE IN A MOBILE HOME.
SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT WE CAN DO AND CAN'T DO, UH, IN FACT, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE HAVE THIS LAND AND I PASSED OUT IT'S, WE CAN ONLY DO WHAT THE LAW ALLOWS US TO DO.
I CAN MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE DO, BUT THE LAW TELLS US THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED
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TO DO.AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO CHECK INTO WITH MIKE TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE DOING IT.
YES, HERE, THERE WAS A MEETING MS. LAWSON, AND THEN THERE WAS A SECOND MEETING WHERE MS. LAWSON STATED AT THAT MEETING, IT WAS BROUGHT TO OUT OF, OUT OF RALEIGH SHOP THAT WE WERE GOING TO LOOK AT, THAT WE WERE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT WE WOULD GO ON TO SEE IF IT COULD BE TAILORED TO, TO NEUBERGER AND HISTORIC DISTRICT OR JUST TO THE WORK PERIOD.
AM I CORRECT MIND AT THAT TIME IT WAS INSTRUCTED THAT STAFF WOULD DO THAT ALSO.
AND THEN SAME TIME, IT WAS UNDERSTOOD THAT STAFF MYSELF WERE GOING TO THE SEMINAR, WHICH WILL BE HELD THURSDAY ON DEMOLITION OF HOMES.
AND IT'S GOING, IT'S GOING TO BE DONE BY THE STATE AS A SEMINAR DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT.
SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS IN PLACE THAT WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO DO, RIGHT? IT'S NOT LIKE YOU JUST LISTEN, DON'T DO, WE ARE, WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO DO.
AND WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO DO IT BY THE LAW.
AND I THINK THE POINT NEEDED TO BE MADE.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE MAKING IS THAT UNDER OUR EXISTING LAW, I GUESS WE'VE DONE ALL WE CAN DO, RIGHT? UH, PRETTY MUCH EXCEPT WE DID THROUGH THE HEARING TODAY, ISSUE AN ORDER OF THE BUILDING INSPECTOR TO MAKE CERTAIN REPAIRS TO THE UNIT UNDER OUR CURRENT ORDINANCES.
WHAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT, UH, MR. DAVIS WITH, UH, ATTORNEY WARD'S OFFICE HAS BEEN WORKING WITH US ON THIS IS, UH, INCORPORATING THE DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT PROVISIONS THAT SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES LIKE RALEIGH HAVE, AND HIS REVIEW FOUND THAT THERE'S NOT A GREAT DEAL EXTRA THAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO TO ACTUALLY BRING THIS, UH, TO, YOU KNOW, APPLAUD A COMPARABLE ORDINANCE IN, IN RALEIGH HAS RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE CERTAIN LAWS IN PLACE ALL THE WAY, APPLYING THE LAWS THAT WE HAVE NOW, WE APPLIED THEM TO THAT INDIVIDUAL'S RESIDENCE.
ONE THING IS NOT, IT'S NOT GOOD NEWS FOR THE PERSON WHO, NOT A BABY, BUT IT IS GOOD NEWS FOR THOSE OF US THAT, UH, THE LAW WAS PUT IN PLACE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE AROUND AT THAT TIME.
AND OUR FIRST DUTY, BEFORE WE EVEN LOOK AT EXPANDING THE LOWEST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE APPLYING THE LOAD THAT WE HAVE, AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO LET IT ALL.
THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD WITH THE PAST.
AND SOME OF THE PEOPLE ACQUIRE ME, YOU KNOW, AND I'VE CALLED THEM OUT AND SAY, HEY, ARE WE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN DO AGAIN, UNDER THE MALL, COME BACK HERE.
I DIDN'T WANT TO COME BACK TWO MONTHS AGO, I CAME BACK IN HERE THREE YEARS AGO WHEN WE HAD A SEVERE PROBLEM.
AND THERE WAS A MEETING RIGHT HERE.
I COULDN'T HER LAST DAY WHEN THERE WAS A PROBLEM, THEY DID NOT ABATE DURING THE MONTHS LAST NIGHT.
AND THIS JULY, I MAY ASK YOU A QUESTION AND GRIP, IF YOU WATCH COLOMBO ON TV AND THEY ALWAYS LEFT FOR A MODE, YOU KNOW, IN THE MURDER WHILE IT WOULD BE THE MOTIVE OF THE CITY NOT TO APPLY ON THE WALL.
I MEAN, LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, YOU DON'T WANT TO COME BACK UP HERE AND ALL, NO, I ENJOY YOUR COMPANY AS A PERSON.
IT'S NOT ALL THAT EXCITING TO SEE SOMEBODY COME UP AND SAY, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW WHY ANYBODY.
WELL, I'M JUST SAYING THAT I WOULD BE DISAPPOINTED TO FIND OUT THAT ANYBODY IN THE CITY WAS TRYING TO PROLONG THE SITUATION.
I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THERE IS A 14 MONTH GAP WHERE NOTHING WAS DONE.
THAT'S THERE, THAT'S ON THE RECORD.
UM, IS YOUR PRINCIPAL CONCERN WITH THE HOUSE, THE LACK OF A GOOD PAYING JOB ON A VETERAN PRINCIPAL CONCERN, IT'S OVERALL LAZINESS.
AND I'M SURE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT IF YOU HAVE A DARRYL WITH PC PROPERTY, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DRAW A TENDENCY THAT IS COMPATIBLE TO WHERE THEY WERE.
WHEN I SAID TO THEM WAS MR. PARKER, THE OWNER SEEMS TO FEEL THAT HE IS DOING A FAVOR BY PROVIDING HOUSING FOR PEOPLE.
AND THAT'S GOOD, BUT WHY DOES NON MAINTENANCE, WHY DOES CONSTANT CODE VIOLATION BY MS HAVING A DIMINISHED PROPERTY AND A NEGLIGENT NEGATIVITY, EXTERIOR, HE'S
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GENERALIZING THAT BUILDING.THEREFORE, HOW ARE THE PEOPLE GOING TO FEEL ABOUT IT? SO THE WHOLE THING IS WHAT, WHAT SPECIFICALLY IS NOT BEING MAINTAINED BECAUSE THE EXTERIOR, THE CITY HAS TO GO IN AND PICK UP TRASH AND TAKE CARE OF THE LAWNS.
AND HE DOESN'T THINK THAT, UM, WE HAVE HAD TO DIRECTLY FUSES TO PURCHASE ONE FROM A COUPLE FROM MAINE BECAUSE OF THE SITUATION NEXT DOOR.
THEY CAME HERE LAST YEAR IN MAY AND SAID, IF IT'S CLEANED UP BY DECEMBER, WE'LL BUY YOUR HOUSE.
THEY CAME BACK IN DECEMBER AND THIS, AND MY DAUGHTER'S WORSE.
HE'S NOT KEEPING THE YARDS CLEAN.
LIKE EVEN THE YARD, HE'S NOT PAINTING THE EXTERIOR.
HE DOESN'T MAINTAIN THE PORCH FOR THAT KIND OF ASSET.
AND IT'S JUST, IT'S A T IT'S A TOTAL NECK, TOBY.
I ASKED THIS QUESTION, WHAT HAS BEEN DONE IN PREVIOUS EXTERIOR, MIKE, SINCE THE FIRST LAB, THEY COMPLAIN ABOUT IT.
UH, NOTHING REALLY, THAT THERE'VE BEEN A FEW BOARDS THAT HAVE BEEN REPLACED.
UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, NOTHING, UH, WE HAVE A LONG HISTORY WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER.
UH, I THINK HE, HE KNOWS HOW TO WORK THE SYSTEM AND THE REPAIRS THAT ARE MADE ARE MADE TO THE ABSOLUTE MINIMUM TO GET PAST THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS OF THE ORDINANCE.
AND A MONTH LATER, IT'S BACK INTO CODE VIOLATION AGAIN, BECAUSE THE REPAIRS ARE, ARE REALLY NOT, UH, MADE TO A GOOD STAND OR THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST, IT'S THE VERY MINIMUM CUSTOMIZING BUY-TO-LET PROPERTY INVEST AS LITTLE AS NECESSARY.
LISTEN, MR. LAWSON, THE BIGGEST PROBLEM I SEE FROM THE LIMITED KNOWLEDGE I HAVE THE LAW GOVERNING THIS SITUATION IS THAT I DO KNOW THAT THERE IS CASE LAW STATING THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE A BUILDING DEMOLISHED FOR AESTHETIC REASONS.
AND, UM, THE IS THAT YOU BRING UP THE KNIFE ACCOUNT, A GRAY AREA, AND, UH, I DON'T HAVE A TIED TO A CERTAIN EXTENT.
AND, UH, WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT PAINTING, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK I'VE SPOKE WITH MR. WARD ABOUT THIS AWHILE BACK IN THE, I THINK HE AND I CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT, UH, AESTHETICS ALONE WOULD NOT BE A REASON FOR US TO CITE THEM.
MR. WALL, CAN YOU, UH, IT'S ON SITE, WE CAN'T MAKE EVERY BODY PAIN.
THAT'S ALL POINT C THE PROPERTY DEAL ISSUES YOU BRING UP TONIGHT, RELATE TO AESTHETICS.
WELL, A LOT OF THEM AND SEE, AND THE REASON THAT YOU'RE HAVING PROBLEMS SELLING YOUR HOUSE IS BECAUSE AESTHETICALLY, IF IT GOES BAD AND APPROACH A PROSPECTIVE BUYER, THEY DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING TO LOOK NEXT DOOR AT THAT UNSIGHTLY PIECE OF PROPERTY.
BUT EVEN THOUGH IT'S UNSIGHTLY AND AESTHETICALLY PLEASING, THAT DOES NOT GIVE US THE AUTHORITY TO GO AND CITE THE OWNERS.
NOT THAT BY ITSELF, IT HAS TO BE MORE, LET'S SAY, EASY TO PROCEED AND SEEKING ANOTHER.
SEE, ANOTHER THING I COULD, I COULD UNDERSTAND YOUR SENTIMENT BECAUSE I WOULD FEEL THE SAME WAY IF I WAS TRYING TO SELL MY HOUSE.
AND IT WAS LIKE THAT NEXT DOOR.
BUT, UM, UH, WE WERE LIMITED BY, UH, THE SITUATION.
IF IT'S, IF IT JUST LOOKED BAD, I MEAN, THERE WAS REALLY NOTHING WE CAN DO.
YOU KNOW, I, YOU'RE ASKING, YOU'RE ASKING US TO DO THINGS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE A SUIT YOU'RE BEING HARASSED WHEN POSSIBLE.
AND AS LOSS OF IF COSTS HERE, WE CAN GO THROUGH THIS WEEK WITH THE SEMINAR.
IF STAFF CAN BRING BACK TO WHAT WE THINK WE CAN DO, WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THAT, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT, UH, THAT BROUGHT IN.
IF WE CAN DO THAT, THEN MAYBE, MAYBE WE COULD MAKE SOME, SOME HIT AND MISS.
PLEASE DON'T THINK THAT I'M AGAINST IT.
AND THE OTHER THING, AND I COULD EXPLAIN IT TO ME, TO DELTA THAT SCARES ME ABOUT THIS IS IF
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WE FORCE THIS ISSUE, WE FORCED THEM TO DO SOMETHING THAT YOU PUT $50 MILLION ON, AND ALL THE TENANTS MOVE OUT OF THE HOUSE, THE WORST THING.AND I'M HOPING WE CAN GET TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN GET THIS GENTLEMAN TO DO SOMETHING, BECAUSE IT'S NOT WITH US FORCING THE ISSUE WITH THIS TILT ON THE BATHROOM AND WAIT, UH, THEN WE COULD END UP WITH A BOARDED UP HOME.
NEXT ONE IS LOOKING WORSE THAN WHAT IT IS VERY EXPLICIT AND CANADA
I MEAN, IT'S A HOUSE BECOMES VACANT.
WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT PEOPLE GETTING IN THERE.
WE HAVE THREE, SEVEN YEARS EXCEPT FOR ONE WINDOW.
THAT'S IT? NOBODY'S RESIDED THERE FOR SEVEN YEARS.
UH, BUT THAT HOME IS
YOU MAY THINK THAT CERTAIN CONDITIONS ARE REPRESENTING A BUILDING CODE VIOLATION.
YOU MAY, YOU MAY THINK IT REPRESENTS A VIOLATION, BUT ALSO NO ZONING OFFICER THERE.
I'VE BEEN SPENDING TIME WITH THE RAY REESE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, MEANING THAT WHEN I'VE MADE COPIES AND EVERYTHING ELSE, AND NOW I KNOW THEY'RE DIFFERENT, BUT I FEEL THAT THIS IS A GENUINE CONCERN.
I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED BECAUSE IT MAY AFFECT ME RIGHT NOW.
I REALLY AM HAVING A BAD IN MY HEAD FOR EIGHT YEARS ON THIS.
AND I'M SUPPOSED TO HAVE A NICE, QUIET, RETIRED LIFE DOES NOT REFLECT WELL ON LIKE NICE, QUIET LIFE.
AND, UH, I DO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE, BUT I THINK YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER PROBLEMS THAT WILL COME IN THE SAME SITUATION.
THERE'S ANOTHER PERSON WHO HERE TRYING TO SELL A HOUSE WITH A SIMILAR SITUATION NEXT DOOR TO HER PROPERTY.
AND I DIDN'T WRITE IN THIS ROOM AND I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE.
I'M THE ONLY ONE DOING IT RIGHT NOW.
SO THAT YOU COULD UPDATE MYSELF ALONG WITH SCOTT AND LISTENED BACK THIS LONG BEFORE.
SO WE CAN GET IT UP TO DATE AS TO THAT MORE THIS, AND ALSO WHAT RESPONSE IS, WHAT INFORMATION WE CAN GET OUT OF THE SEMINAR ON THURSDAY.
I WAS SAID HE WAS GOING TO PAINT THE HOUSE.
UH, I DON'T, I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT SAID, OH, WELL, HE KNOWS WHAT HE CAN.
HE KNOWS WHAT HE MUST DO IT IN A WAY HE'S NOT OBLIGATED TO DO BECAUSE HE'S SHREWD.
MR. MAYOR, MR. MAYOR, I HAVE, I HAVE A QUESTION.
I'M VERY DISTURBED ABOUT THE SITUATION THAT YOU BROUGHT UP, BECAUSE I REMEMBER I WAS SITTING IN THE CENTER CHAIR WHEN YOU BROUGHT IT UP OR THE THING THAT SHE, THE OTHER THING THAT SHE BRINGS UP THAT MAKES ME A LITTLE BIT DISAPPOINTED IS WE HAVEN'T COLLECTED THESE TAXES WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE, WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE START THE BALL ROLLING, TO HAVE SOMEBODY CHECK INTO THIS TAX CHECK BECAUSE THAT'S ANOTHER FLAUNTING OF THE CITY RULES OR COUNTY RULES, WHATEVER, LET SOMEBODY GO THREE YEARS WITHOUT A SURPRISE.
I WOULD EXPECT STANFORD WOULD EXPLORE.
AND LOOK, I'M NOW LOOKING AT THIS TELEVISION, THIS TELECAST, THEY CAN LAUGH, LAUGH RIGHT HERE.
UH, I, I REALLY FEEL SORRY FOR, I, I I'M SYMPATHETIC TOWARD THE PROBLEM BECAUSE WHEN MY WIFE AND I MOVED INTO THE HOUSE IN WHICH WE NOW LIVE, THERE WAS A HOUSE TWO DOORS DOWN THAT WAS A TOTAL DISASTER.
AND IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO GET THE SITUATION CLEARED UP.
BUT, UH, IT WAS BASICALLY THE EXTERIOR WAS OKAY.
THE INSIDE WAS THE FULL WORTH OF CAVING AND IT WAS, IT WAS TERRIBLE.
BUT THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT COULD NOT ENTER THE HOUSE TO DETERMINE THAT IT WAS UNSANITARY AND UNSAFE UNTIL THEY WERE ALLOWED TO DO SO BY THE OWNER PROPERTY RIGHTS, PEOPLE TALK A LOT ABOUT PROPERTY RIGHTS, BUT IT'S A TWO-EDGED SWORD.
THEY USED IT TO PREVENT US FROM CLEANING UP A SITUATION IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD UNTIL IT REACHED A 0.1 DAY, THE LADY JUST SAID, YEAH, GO AHEAD AND LOOK.
AND THE PERSONAL FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT GOT IN THE DOOR PROBLEMS SOLVED, BUT THE PROPERTY WHITE'S ISSUE STALLED AROUND.
IT WAS SEVERAL YEARS BEFORE WE COULD EVER GET THAT SITUATION STRAIGHTENED OUT.
AND IT HAD TO BE DONE THROUGH THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
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YOU THAT WHEN IT COMES TO LIENS, THEY WILL BE COLLECTED.IF AND WHEN THAT PROPERTY IS SOLD, THAT LIEN HAS TO BE PAID OFF FOR ANYTHING CAN BE DONE.
I MEAN, THE CITY WILL GET ITS MONEY.
SO IT'S NOT JUST A LIEN IS NOT JUST, WELL, WE'LL NEVER SEE IT, ET CETERA.
AND THE GENTLEMAN WHO OWNS THAT PROPERTY AS HAS BEEN SAID HERE BEFORE HAS A, IT'S MADE A CAREER OF SITUATIONS LIKE THIS.
AND AS IT WAS STATED, HE KNOWS THE LAW, AS WELL AS ANY ATTORNEY, AS FAR AS TO WHAT TIME LIMITS HE HAS TO DO THINGS AND HOW DELAY THAT.
WE ARE SWORN TO UPHOLD THOSE LAWS.
AND I KNOW IT'S FRUSTRATING FOR YOU AND, BUT IT'S, WE'RE CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE.
WELL, ANOTHER THING THAT, UM, IT WAS INTERESTING.
YOU BROUGHT UP THE, UH, THE IDEA OF THE LAWSUIT.
I REALLY HATE TO GET INTO THOSE THINGS BECAUSE EVERY PENNY WE SPEND IN LEGAL FEES IS A PENNY THAT CAN'T GO TO MORE POLICE PROTECTION, FIRE PROTECTION, ET CETERA.
MIKE, I RECALL, I THINK THREE INSTANCES WHERE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THERE HAVE BEEN LAWSUITS FILED ALL THREE, THE CITY LOST.
SO IT WAS JUST THROWING MONEY AWAY.
ONE INVOLVED, SOMEONE WHO PUT UP AWNINGS THAT WERE NOT ALLOWED AND THERE WAS A SUIT FILED AND THE LADY WON AND THE AWNINGS ARE STILL THERE.
ONE PERTAINING TO, UH, AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE STREET, BUT IT'S, UH, IT'S A VERY ULTRA MODERN HOME BUILT ON ONE OF THE LITTLE SMALL STREETS.
AND THAT WAS A LAWSUIT CASE, WHICH THE CITY LOST.
AND REMEMBER THE CITY IS ALL OF US, NOT SOME ABSTRACT THING, IT'S ALL OF US.
YOU AND I, AND THE OTHER ONE WAS ON A FRONT STREET FOR THE GENTLEMAN.
THAT'S GOING TO ELEVATE THE HOUSE.
AND AFTER IT WAS APPROVED, HE JACKED IT UP ANOTHER IN THE PLANS FOUR OR FIVE FEET.
SO HE COULD PUT IN AN ELEVATOR, WHICH WAS NOT IN THE ORIGINAL PLANS, WHICH PUT HIS FRONT PORCH RIGHT AT THE BEDROOM WINDOW OF HIS NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR, WHICH WASN'T A VERY HAPPY NEIGHBOR WHEN THAT HAPPENED, BUT WE ALSO LOST THAT CASE.
SO THE CITY HAS, HAS A RECORD.
THE CITY, WE HAVE A RECORD OF LOSING THESE CASES.
CAN YOU THINK OF ANY OTHERS OR ANY THAT WE'VE WON? WELL, I THINK BASICALLY WHAT HAPPENED IN MOST OF THOSE SITUATIONS IS THEY WERE SETTLED, UH, PRIOR TO GOING TO SUPERIOR COURT.
UH, THOSE WERE SITUATIONS WHERE THEY, UH, UH, THE, WENT THROUGH THE HPC AND THEN IT WAS APPEALED TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
AND THAT WAS TO BE APPEALED, UH, TO SUPERIOR COURT TYPICALLY, UH, IT'S BEEN RESOLVED PRIOR, UH, TO THAT.
UM, AND, UH, AS FAR AS GOING TO COURT AND ACTUALLY LOSE ANY, I'M NOT AWARE MR. WARD, MAYBE YOU CAN ADDRESS THAT OF WHERE WE ACTUALLY BEEN TO COURT AND LOST ONE.
I REMEMBER THE CASES HE'S TALKING ABOUT, BUT I DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH HIM AND DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OUTCOME WAS, BUT WE DID.
AND IN FACT, AT WHATEVER LEVEL WE LOST THAT, THOSE THREE BATTLES, BUT THE POINT BEING THAT IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO WIN THE CASES.
SO, AND I'M ALL I'M DOING IS STATING HISTORY.
SO WE'LL HAVE A PERSPECTIVE AS TO THE RELUCTANCE TO BE BITTEN BITTEN.
AGAIN, GOT DAVE IS THIS AFTERNOON.
AND IN LIGHT OF WHAT WE SAID ABOUT HEALTH ISSUES.
TO A LARGE DEGREE, THAT'S A HEALTH DEPARTMENT ISSUE AND PERHAPS THEY SHOULD BE BROUGHT INTO IT.
I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT AT ALL, BECAUSE THAT KIND OF SITUATION SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE AND WILL NOT WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK OF THE LAW, WHICH, WHICH WERE SWORN TO UPHOLD.
BUT I, I, UM, FROM MY STANDPOINT, I THINK THE CITY WILL DO ANYTHING THEY CAN TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM, BUT WE'RE FIGHTING A PRO WHEN WE DEAL WITH THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY OWNER, WE'VE WON SOME IN THE PAST.
HE'S WON SOME IN THE PAST, BUT I'M NOT AFRAID I WAS TAKING THEM ON AGAIN.
UM, IN GENTLEMEN PAST RECORD ON ANY OF THIS, BUT I WILL SAY THAT WATCH, YOU WERE SAYING EARLIER THAT I GUESS IT WAS SCOTT, THE LAWYER, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SCOTT DAVIS, THAT WE'VE, UH, WE DIDN'T HAVE A GOOD CASE.
IN OTHER WORDS, WE LOSE IF WE WENT TO COURT AND I WOULD ASSUME IF YOUR LAWYER TELLS YOU NOT TO GO TO COURT, BECAUSE YOU WILL LOSE THAT.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SO SAY, SAY THE PROCEED IN THE COURT, WHEN THE LAWYER ON OUR SIDE SAYS THAT YOU WILL LOSE, I GUESS, WOULD BE A PRETTY DIFFICULT FOR US.
WE DEFENDED IT TO THE TAXPAYER, BUT WE ARE TRYING TO EXERCISE ALL THE OTHER AVENUES THAT WE HAVE.
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WE UNDERSTAND YOU CONCERN THE BOTTOM FIELD FEELING THAT I CAME AWAY WITH AFTER TWO HOURS, NOT AT ALL.I REALLY DON'T THINK IT'S A THING THAT WE ARE AFRAID OF THIS, MAN.
I THINK IT'S A THING, UM, HAVING TO DO WITH YOU WILL WANT TO DO AND DOWN, I DON'T THINK I'LL GET BACK TO YOU.
JUST DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU LOVE MOST TO DO, AND TO DO IT IN A VERY TIMELY MANNER.
UH, AND I'M HOPING, AND I'M HOPING THAT NEXT WEEK WE WOULD HAVE SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE USED
WE EVEN HAD SCOTT TO LOOK AT HIS HISTORICAL PRESERVATION COMMISSION, UM, IN THAT ROLE AND SEE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING THERE.
AND IF THERE WASN'T ANYTHING WITH REAL MEAT THAT WE COULD USE FOR IT.
SO HOPEFULLY BY THURSDAY OF NEXT WEEK, BY THURSDAY, I WANT TO SAY, AND BILL, WE ALSO, THE
WELL, MR. WARD ACTUALLY SAID WAS, HAD HE KNOWN THIS WAS GOING TO COME UP TONIGHT.
HE WOULD HAVE HAD SCOTT HERE TO ADDRESS IT HIMSELF, BUT HE WASN'T AWARE IT WAS COMING UP.
WE'LL CARRY ON FROM THIS POINT.
HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET IT STRAIGHTENED OUT SOON.
ARE YOU FINISHED MIKE? YES, SIR.
YOU JUST SHIFTED THEM TO SEE, I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU GET UP, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A BITE AND MOST OF CALIFORNIA TO SPEAK ON IT? THE ATTENTION OF CITIZENS MIGHT RAISE YOUR HAND OR SOMEBODY, ANYBODY THAT'S BELLA.
HE WAS AT FIRST, I GUESS YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND GOOD EVENING.
MAYOR BAILEYS MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
UH, WELL, UH, IF I COULD TAKE A MOMENT OF YOUR TIME, I'LL EXPLAIN WHY I'M UP HERE NOW, BUT THIS QUEST, UH, A FEW MONTHS AGO, BUT I ONLY, I HAVE A GAME ROOM IT'S CALLED BOBBY'S GAME ROOM A FEW MONTHS AGO.
I WAS, I WAS ACCUSED OF SELLING ALCOHOL IN MY PLACE, WHICH I WASN'T AT.
WELL, ANYWAY, AS A RESULT OF THAT, THE CITY OR THE INSPECTORS CAME INTO, CAME INTO MY BUILDING.
THEY GOT A LOCK SMITH, WENT INSIDE.
MY BUILDING LOOKED AROUND INSIDE MY BUILDING.
AND THEY EVEN WHEN HIS BIRCHES PULLED THE CHIMNEY OFF THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND THEY CUT MY POWER OFF AND CONDEMN MY BUILDING.
UM, WHAT, WHAT I'VE COME HERE FOR IS TO ASK THAT I BE REINSTATED BECAUSE, UH, DUE TO ALL DUE TO ALL OF THAT TIME, IT WAS A DIRECT RESULT OF THEM SAYING THAT I SEW ALCOHOL AT MY PLACE, WHICH I HAVE THE PAPERWORK HERE FROM WHERE I'VE BEEN TO COURT, THAT I WAS CLEARED OF ALL CHARGES OF OFFSETTING ALCOHOL AND WHAT, WHAT I'M HEARING NOW, THE QUESTION THAT I COULD HAVE MY RIGHTS REINSTATED OR TURN BACK ON THAT WAY I CAN GET ON WITH MY BUSINESS AND, UH, TO BE ISSUED A BUILDING PERMIT.
SO THAT MAY BE ABLE TO REPAIR MY BUILDING, THAT THERE WAS A HOLE WHERE THE CITY PUT THE CHIMNEY DOWN THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO REPAIR IT, TO GET IT BACK UP THE SANDERS.
UH, WHY HAVE I HAVE APPLIED TO THE BUILDING INSPECTOR SEVERAL TIMES WHERE I'VE I HAVE AN APPLICATION HERE? UH, HE TOLD ME THAT, UH, WELL, IN 96, I GOT A BUILD PERMIT FOR THAT SAME PARTICULAR BUILDING AND IT WASN'T IN THE HOUSE TO GET ONE.
AND NOW HE SAID HE WANTED ME TO GO GET A NOTARIZED LETTER FROM THE OWNER OF THE BUILDING.
AND LIKE I SAID, I'VE HAD THIS PLACE FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS.
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SAYING IS THIS POINT IS NOT A RELIGION, GIVE YOU A BUILDING PERMIT.YOU NEED TO PURSUE SITUATION CHIEF VILLAGE, BUT IF YOU'RE NOT SATISFIED WITH HIS RAPID REACTION, YOU'RE AWARE YOU NEED TO HIRE A LOT.
UH, BUT, BUT I HAVE SEEN, UH, ABOUT, UH, ABOUT THE LIGHTS BEING REINSTATED, UH, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO GET THOSE REINSTATED? BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, I'VE BEEN, IT WAS A DIRECT RESULT OF THEM SAYING THAT I SOLD SOME ALCOHOL OR WHATEVER IN MY PLACE.
THAT'S W THAT'S WHY THEY CAME THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE, BUT I I'M, UM, I'M SITTING HERE TRYING NOT TO SAY ANYTHING, CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHY YOUR LIGHTS WERE CUT OFF OR WHY YOUR BUILDING PERMIT WAS DENIED.
NOW LET ME JUST BE VERY FRANK WITH YOU.
THE BUILDING THAT YOU'RE MAKING REFERENCE TO WAS A PROBLEM FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND FOR ME, FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, IT WAS A NIGHT SPOT WHERE WE, THE NEIGHBORS IN THE COMMUNITY COMPLAINED OF LOT OF, KIND OF NEGATIVE KIND OF ACTIVITY THAT WENT ON AROUND THAT PLACE.
PEOPLE HAD ALL KINDA OF HIS PLACE OVER THERE ON, UH, EIGHTH STREET.
WE'VE HAD POLICEMEN THERE THAT NIGHT.
AND AS WE BEGAN TO CLEAN UP THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOUR PROBLEMS ARE A RESULT OF THAT, SIR, BUT I'M GOING TO SAY TO YOU PERSONALLY, MINISTERS IS BARBARA LEE TALKING.
I'M GLAD THAT YOUR STORE OR WHATEVER IT WAS, IT'S CLOSED.
NOW, I DON'T HAVE ANY THING TO SAY ABOUT YOUR BUILDING, UH, HOW IT'S, WHY THEY CUT THE LIFESTYLE.
I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WERE DENIED A PERMIT.
I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT, BUT I MUST TELL YOU NOW I MUST BE VERY HONEST WITH YOU SINCE YOU HAVE COME BEFORE US.
AND I REJOICE THAT THE FACT THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE YOUNG KIDS HANGING AROUND THAT PLACE FOUR OR FIVE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING AND SHOOTING GUNS AND DOING THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT WERE REPORTED HAPPENING AROUND YOUR, AND I DIDN'T SAY IT HAPPENED ON THE INSIDE.
I HAVE NEVER BEEN INSIDE OF THERE.
I HAVE CERTAINLY BEEN ON THE OUTSIDE PERSONALLY, MYSELF, STANDING WATCHING FOUR OR FIVE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, THE KIND OF ACTIVITY THAT WENT ON AROUND IT.
SO IF YOU'RE IN THE WRONG PLACE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE SHOULD ADVISE YOU TO GO, BUT I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT BECAUSE YOU KNOW, PEOPLE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WILL SAY, WELL, BARB, AND HE DID THIS ABOUT ME, DID THAT.
SO FOR BEVERLY'S BENEFIT, I'M TELLING YOU EXACTLY HOW I FEEL AS THE ALDERMAN OF THAT AREA ABOUT THAT PLACE.
AND I'M BOSSING IT NOW TO YOU AND TO EVERYONE WHO'S LISTENING SO THAT YOU KNOW, HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT AND IS NOW THAT I'VE EXPRESSED IT.
SO I'VE NEVER SAID TO THE BUILDING INSPECTORS OR WHOEVER DISCONNECTED YOU, THAT THEY SHOULD DO THAT.
BUT FOR WHATEVER REASON, THAT BUILDING IS CLOSED, I'M THANKFUL FOR, WELL, UH, LIKE I SAID, I'VE HAD A FALL ON THERE FOR ABOUT FOUR, ALMOST FOUR AND A HALF YEARS NOW.
AND MOST OF THE ACTIVITY THAT WAS GOING ON THERE WAS GOING ON WAY BEFORE I EVEN TOOK OVER THE PLACE.
I BOUGHT THIS PLACE OUT AND TRIED TO TURN IT AROUND TO THE PLACE WHERE EVERYBODY WOULD LIKE TO COME.
AND LIKE I SAID, THE REASON WHY I WOULD BE OPEN AT NIGHT BECAUSE I WASN'T SITTING IN ALCOHOL ANYTHING.
AND THEY WOULD GIVE SOME OF THE YOUNG PEOPLE SOMEWHERE TO GO TO SIT DOWN.
OR SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT GET ON WORK LATE AT NIGHT, COME BY AND GET THEM A SODA.
SUDDENLY THEY WENT, ALL THOSE STORES ARE CLOSED.
THAT WAS ONE REASON I HAD IT OPEN.
LIKE I SAID, I WAS, LIKE I SAID, IN APRIL, APRIL, APRIL 9TH, I WAS ACCUSED OF SELLING.
THEY CAME BACK WITH APRIL 10TH, RATHER.
I, UH, THEY CAME BY AND ARRESTED ME FOR, I SAID I WAS SENTENCED.
I SO SMILE, FALL, WHICH I DON'T SELL ALCOHOL IN THERE.
AND MOST OF THE POLICE OFFICERS, THEY COME IN THERE, THEY KNOW THEY CAN LOOK AROUND THE PLACE.
THEY KNOW I DON'T SELL ALCOHOL.
AND, UH, I SAID AS A RESULT OF THAT, WHERE I HAD TO GO TO COURT, 18TH OF MAY, AS ON THE 10TH OF MAY, THEY CAME DOWN, UH, THE INSPECTORS CAME DOWN PROBABLY ALONG WITH A COUPLE OF OFFICERS.
I WAS AT HOME AT THE TIME AND THEY GOT LOCKED.
SMITH WENT INSIDE THE BUILDING AND EITHER LOOKED AROUND OR WHATEVER THEY DID.
AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, THEY PUT, THEY CAME OUTSIDE, PULLED THE CHIMNEY OFF THE SIDE OF MY BUILDING,
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WHICH LEFT A HOLE IN THERE.I HAVE A PICTURE OF IT IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THAT.
SO YOU WANT YOUR CRIMINAL CASES, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
WHO WAS YOUR LAWYER? BLACKWELL STEP.
WE'VE GOT LEGAL PROBLEMS, BUT WE CAN'T HELP THEM.
Y'ALL SENT ME DOWN HERE BEFORE FROM WOODROW BEAR.
THIS LETTER WAS IN NEWSPAPER ON SEPTEMBER 12TH, 2007 30 PM.
WE'LL HAVE CITY NEWBURN BOARD AUTO-IMMUNE WE'LL CONDUCT, PUBLIC HEARING, AND RECEIVE COMMENTS ON PROPOSED PROGRAM.
PRO THE AMENDMENT INCLUDES THE PROPOSED ACCESS FUNDS TO ADDRESS DISASTER RELIEF NEEDS IN THE PERRY TOWN AND ALL WOODROW AREAS IN WHICH IT GOES ON NOW IS $600,000.
DID WE ENTITLED TO BE GETTING IN ON THAT OR WHAT? THAT'S IT? I HAVE MINE OFF.
I JUST DON'T SPEAK BOTH AT THE SAME THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
THIS IS ABOUT, UH, AN AMENDMENT TO OUR URGENT NEEDS PROGRAM AND THAT WILL BE, UH, COMING UP UNDER, UH, THE ACTUALLY IT'S THE NEXT ITEM AFTER REQUESTING PETITIONS OF CITIZENS.
WELL, THE NEXT QUESTION IS I RIGHT THERE, UH, IF JUST MONEY COMES AVAILABLE, LIKE HE WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE COMING UP.
THE, THIS, THE PURPOSE OF THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF THE URGENT NEEDS FUNDING WAS $600,000.
THE MAJORITY OF THAT HAS BEEN SPENT.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR TONIGHT IN THE PUBLIC HEARING IS AN AMENDMENT TO REALLOCATE THE REMAINING FUNDS.
SO THERE'S NOT $600,000 OUT THERE TO BE GOTTEN THERE.
THE ORIGINAL AMOUNT WAS 600,000.
AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS HOW TO SPEND THE REMAINING BALANCE OF THAT.
WELL, THE MONEY THAT YOU'VE ALREADY SPENT, HAVE YOU RAISED THE HOUSE WITH IT? NO.
THIS WAS FOR RELOCATION OF, YEAH, JUST A SEC.
JUST SAY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT SAID HE WOULD TAKE A SEAT.
LET ME CLEAR OUT THIS ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS A REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL, AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO
SO AT LEAST WE KEEP THINGS IN THE RIGHT ORDER.
WHO ELSE WAS HERE? BUT JUST TO, OKAY.
I THINK THIS LADY HAS POPPED UP BEFORE YOU DID SO LET ME GET HER.
SHE HAD TO SIT BACK DOWN AND DID MY NAME IS BARBARA ROAD AND, UM, MY FAMILY RESIDES AT 2 0 8 ELLINGTON STREET.
I'VE TAUGHT WITH MS. BARBARA LEE AND ALSO MAX FREES.
THEY ALREADY KNOW MY CONCERN IN 1996, WE WERE FLOODED OUT.
I KNEW HOW IT FEELS I CAN SYMPATHIZE EMPATHIZE WITH THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING THROUGH WHAT THEY WENT THROUGH WITH FLOYD, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN FOUR YEARS.
AND UNLESS HAVE ANY OF YOU BEEN THROUGH THIS EXPERIENCE? HAVE YOU HAD YOUR HOUSES FLOODED? NO.
IT'S A FEELING THAT YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN WHEN THE HURRICANES COME UP, YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN IT BECAUSE UNLESS YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH IT AND I JUST ASKED YOU ALL TO PLEASE DO SOMETHING TO HURRY AND GET THESE HOUSES RAISED HERE.
WE'VE SAID ANOTHER MONTH AND WE'RE NOT.
WE'RE LIKE ON THE THIRD LIST, THIRD GROUP OF HOUSES.
AND I DON'T CARE THAT MY HOUSE HAS RAISED FIRST.
JUST START DOING SOMETHING FOR SOMEBODY BECAUSE THESE OTHER PEOPLE NEED IT TOO.
AND I WOULD LIKE AN UPDATE IF WE COULD GET AN UPDATE MAYOR ON WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW, SINCE THERE'S BEEN NO MOVEMENT AT ALL IN OUR AREA FOR THE LAST MONTH, YOU KNOW, WE SAW THE BEADS IN THE PAPER, BUT THERE'S BEEN NO MOVEMENT.
SO THAT WOULD BE MARY QUEST TO TRY TO GET AN UPDATE ON THAT.
AND ALSO I WOULD LIKE TO THANK BARBARA LEE AND THE BOARD FOR ACTING QUICKLY ON THE STOP SIGN THAT WAS PUT UP IN OUR, IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE LAST MONTH.
UM, TWO PEOPLE ALMOST GOT RUN OVER RIGHT THERE AT THAT LITTLE CURVE AND YOU ACTED FAST.
LET ME ASSURE YOU ALSO, I KNOW THAT YOU
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HAVE THESE FEELINGS ABOUT THE FLOOD AND DID YOU'RE VERY CONSCIOUS OF THE WEATHER LIKE THE TROPICAL DEPRESSIONS.OH GOD, IS THIS A MELBOURNE COMING? AND, AND I HOPE, AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO SAY IT UNLESS YOU'VE BEEN SITTING IN THE SEAT ON ME AND IN THE SEAT THAT WE'RE IN.
AND AT THE SAME TIME, YOU CARE ABOUT PEOPLE THE WAY WE DO BELIEVE ME.
WHEN I SEE THAT WEATHER OUT THERE, I THINK OF YOU FIRST, I LOST A VEHICLE AND THAT STOLEN, WHICH WAS NOT A BIG DEAL BECAUSE I HAD INSURANCE ON IT, BUT IT WAS STILL MY WIFE'S VEHICLE.
BUT THAT WAS NOT ANYTHING LIKE, YOU KNOW, HAVING DAMAGE IN THE PLACE THAT YOU GO UP AT NIGHT SLEEPING.
I DO KNOW PLENTY OF PEOPLE WHERE THAT HAPPENED TO, I WANT YOU TO KNOW EVERYTHING AND WE CAN POSSIBLY DO ON THIS BOARD.
AND THIS GUY SAID RIGHT HERE IN THIS FRONT SEAT OR THE CORNER TELL YOU IF HE KNOWS HE'S THE MAN WHO GETS THE BLOW TORCH, HE'S GOING JUST AS WIDE OPEN AS HE GOES.
IT'S A VERY FRUSTRATING AND DIFFICULT PROCESS.
BUT I WANT TO ASSURE YOU THAT IF IT COMES A TIME IN YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS DURING THE DAY THAT YOU ARE NOT THINKING ABOUT YOUR HOUSE, I'M FEELING OUT OF THAT SPOT FOR ME, I'M THINKING ABOUT IT.
SO AGAIN, PLEASE, DON'T BE FRUSTRATED WHEN YOU SEE NOTHING HAPPENED AS A LOT OF STUFF HAPPENED THAT YOU CAN'T SEE, IT'S GOT TO HAPPEN BEFORE WE CAN JACK UP THE HOUSE.
BUT, UH, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE OF VALUE OF IN THE CORNER WE MIGHT BECOME FOURTH AND MAYBE YOU CAN GIVE US JUST A SHORT UPDATE FOR HER BENEFIT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA BEFORE WE MOVE ON, IT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU ABOUT TODAY.
I CALLED MIKE AVERY'S OFFICE TO ASK HIM ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I WROTE THROUGH THE LAST WEEK WHEN THEY HAD THAT, ALL THAT RAIN, YOU KNOW, IT WAS, COULDN'T GET PAST OAKS ROAD AND EVERYTHING.
AND I WAS THINKING, MAN, YOU KNOW, THAT KNOW THESE PEOPLE ARE FRUSTRATED.
AND SO I CALLED TODAY AND, UH, THEY SAID THAT YOU WERE GOING TO BE HERE TONIGHT.
SO I FIGURED THE MAIL WAS GOING TO GET THROUGH TONIGHT.
MR. MAYOR, AFTER THIS GENTLEMAN? YES.
HE'S THE LAST ONE FOR THE PETITION.
GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND A BOARD ABOUT THREE MONTHS AGO.
UM, I WAS GIVEN A LIST FROM A BUILDING INSPECTOR AND MR. UM, NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
UH, LIVE ON RESIDE AT 10 10 CASE.
WELL, I HAVE A PLACE AT 10, 10 K STREET AND A DUFF AFFILIATE AREA.
ABOUT THREE MONTHS AGO, I WAS GIVEN A LIST OF CONTRACTORS BY MR
AND, UM, HALF OF THEM DID NOT RETURN MY CALL THE OTHER HALF, UM, UM, MADE APPOINTMENTS WITH ME, WHICH THEY DID NOT KEEP.
AND DURING HIS TIME ALONE, A LOT OF TIME RELAPSED.
AND, UM, I WAS NOT ABLE TO, UH, UM, GET ANY OF THESE CONTRACTORS.
HOWEVER, I DID GET A CONTRACTOR OUT OF RALEIGH WHO WAS AT PRESENTLY DOING SOME WORK ON MY HOUSE DURING THE SIDE.
AND, UM, I ALSO HAVE, UH, ELECTRICITY LINED UP TO DO SOME ELECTRICAL WORK IN THERE.
UH, MY REQUEST IS, UM, TO GET EXTENSION CAUSE I WAS GIVEN A 30, 90 DAY, UM, UM, DEADLINE TO GET MY HOUSE UP TO STANDARDS.
HOWEVER, UM, I DID NOT MEET THAT DEADLINE AND I'M REQUESTING THAT A DEADLINE BE EXTENDED TO A POINT THAT IT DOES NOT BRING ANY ANYMORE OR FINANCIAL STRAIN ON MYSELF AND MY FAMILY.
DID YOU TALK TO MR. CLARK? OH YES I DID.
AND MR. CLARK SAID, WAIT FOR ME TO COME IN FRONT OF THE BOARD TO REQUEST THE EXTENSION ON THE DEADLINE.
UM, I'M NOT AWARE OF, UH, ANY INSTRUCTIONS FROM JOHN, UH, FOR MR. FLOYD TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD.
IT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT'S ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING.
UM, I THINK, UH, IF IT'S DONE THE INITIAL 90 DAYS, UH, AND NEEDS AN EXTENSION, PERHAPS THE BEST THING WOULD BE SIT BACK DOWN WITH STAFF AND, UH, LET'S COME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE BOARD ON THAT.
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I, I'M NOT AWARE OF THE PARTICULAR CONVERSATION THAT THEY HAD, BUT I CAN CHECK ON IT IN THE MORNING IS 90 DAYS.IT'S ALREADY PAST THAT HIS ORDER HAS EXPIRED.
SO THAT $50 A DAY PENALTY IS BEING, OH, NO.
HE TOLD ME TO, UM, IN ORDER, UM, ORDER FOR ME TO GET ANOTHER EXTENSION, DO I NEED TO COME FROM THE BOARD TO REQUEST THE EXTENSION? I THINK, I THINK WHAT HE MIGHT'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WAS THE TYPE OF AGREEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE PAST, NOT JUST FOR YOU TO COME, BUT FOR YOU TO CABINET AGREEMENT, TO COME TO THE BOARD, UH, THAT HE WOULD BRING TO THE BOARD IN YOUR BEHALF TO, UH, PRESENT TO THEM.
WHAT WOULD NORMALLY BE DONE IN THE MIDDLE OF, AND THEN Y'ALL, AND Y'ALL COME TO US WITH A RECOMMENDATION.
ANYBODY ELSE OUT THERE? MY NAME IS ALEJANDRO MCDAVID AND RESIDENT 1913 HEAVEN, THE STREET.
WHAT KIND OF STREET? EVAN STREET.
I LIKE TO GIVE THIS TO THE MAYOR, THIS PETITION, MS. MR. MACADAMIAN, COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN SO THAT SHE CAN NAME IS ARNOLD MCDAVID, 1913 EVANS STREET.
I CAME DOWN HERE, UM, BACK DURING HURRICANE, UH, BIRTHDAY AND FRAN.
HE CALLS IT A DRAINAGE PROBLEM.
THEY HAVE WITH THE, UM, BETWEEN EVANS STREET AND DAVID STREET.
AND THE LAST WORD I GOT FROM THE MAYOR WAS THAT HE COULDN'T JUST TAKE MONEY AND JUST THROW IT OUT IN THE WIND MORE OR LESS INSTEAD OF THE STUDY WILL BE DONE FOR IS LOOKING AT THE PROBLEM, THE SITUATION, BECAUSE THE, UH, THE LOT THAT, THAT, UM, REFERENCED TO IS IT'S A LOW EVER AND IT FLOODS.
AND WATER'S BEEN STANDING ON A LOT FOR A PROCESS ABOUT A MONTH.
AND SINCE WE'RE HERE TONIGHT AND I CAME IN EARLY ENOUGH TO HEAR THAT WE'LL BE ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION AND ABOUT THE LAW, A LAW WAS BROKEN WHEN THAT DRAIN WAS, UH, UH, BLOCKED OFF BY THE DEVELOPER.
WHEN OLD TOWN WAS BUILT, THAT WAS ALONE.
AND MY REQUEST IS WHAT IS THE CITY IS GOING TO DO FOR US, HELPING TO ALLEVIATE THE PROBLEM FOR THE BAD DRAINAGE THAT WE HAVE IN EVERYONE.
IT DOESN'T JUST AFFECT ONE HOMEOWNER.
IT AFFECTS OTHER HOMEOWNERS AND THE SITUATION GETS WORSE AND WORSE.
WE HAVEN'T HAD A HURRICANE, WELL, WE HAD SOME BAD RAIN RECENTLY AND RIGHT NOW WATER IS STANDING AND IT'S A UNIQUE SITUATION.
UH, I BELIEVE IT HAS TO BE DONE FOR, IN ORDER TO BE ADDRESSED, BUT SINCE HURRICANE, UH, BIRTHDAY AND FRAN, UH, I BEAT AS MINNEAPOLIS TIME THAT SOMETHING SHOULD HAVE BEEN LOOKED AT FOR US, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO HELP THE SITUATION.
SO MY QUESTION IS TONIGHT, IS, IS ANYTHING BEING DONE, UH, IS FOR THAT STUDY THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BEEN DONE FOR US, LOOKING AT THE DRAINAGE PROBLEM IN THE CITY OF NEWBURGH.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, I DON'T REMEMBER THIS A LOT OF MEETINGS BETWEEN NOW, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT I ASSUME IF I SET A STEADY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS STEADY, BECAUSE WE COULD JUST TAKE A PIPE AND RUNNING SOMEWHERE WITHOUT KNOWING WHERE ALL THE REST OF THE PIPES GOING.
AND THAT'S ACCORDING TO THE BEST, UH, EXPERTISE THAT WE HAVE IN HOUSE AND, UH, YOUR PARTICULAR PROBLEM.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE SITUATION DAN IS? NOT? I KNOW THAT HE DOES HAVE A NUMBER OF SITUATIONS ON THE LOW LIGHT, VERY LOW LOT.
UM, WHAT A TRACK OF LAND IN A LOW LYING AREA, MR. PAUL KRAMER YEARS AGO, AND IT USED TO BE A POND BACK IN THE GROUPING IN HIS KNEE.
IT'S REFERRED TO AS SOME KIND OF POND, THE D THE D EXCUSE ME, IT DID THE D DIDN'T SPECIFY WAS UPON.
ALL THAT IS IN A VERY LOW LINE AREAS, ALMOST LIKE VALUE.
AND HIS BIGGEST PROBLEM RIGHT NOW IS HOW MANY DAYS HAVE BRAIN SETS UP THIS BRAIN ABOUT 9% OF THE TIME SINCE JUNE.
AND HE'S, HE HAS A PROBLEM NOW THAT THE BROWN SO SATURATED.
SO WHAT IS JUST STANDING STEEL, BUT I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR PROBLEM IS BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN RAINING A LOT.
THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE PROBLEM, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THIS RIGHT THIS YEAR, TOO, IN GAMES THAT HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM, BUT NOT AS SEVERE
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AS YOURS, BUT I CAN LOOK IN MY BACKYARD.I PROBABLY SHOULD SIT BECAUSE IT MIGHT DIMINISH THE VALUE IN MY BACKYARD.
WHEN I WALK OUT THE BACK YARD, UH, YOU CAN, UH, YOU CAN HEAR THE WATER ON THE LAWN AND YOU'RE BECAUSE IT HAS NO PLACE TO GO.
AND IT'S JUST BEEN A LOT OF RAIN HERE.
SO WHAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH IS NATURE.
PLUS COUPLED WITH THE FACT THAT YOU HAD A LOW LINE AREA AND, UH, I CAN'T REEMPHASIZE THIS FAT MAN CANNOT SOLVE EVERY SINGLE HUMAN PROBLEMS. AND YOU GET THEM WITH ACTS OF GOD AGENTS.
WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ONE JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.
I THINK ALSO, I THINK ALSO THAT, UH, YOU'RE INVOLVED.
THERE IS WATER IN THAT YARD FOR TWO OTHER THINGS.
NUMBER ONE IS THIS REALLY IS NOT A PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY DRAINING TO THE WASTE.
THIS IS A YARD DRAINAGE SITUATION, WHICH IS USUALLY ADDRESSED BY THE OWNER.
IF HE'S GOT A CLAIM AGAINST THE PERSON WHO DID THE, UH, THING OVER AT, UH, OLD TOWN, I'M NOT A LAWYER AS MR. WARD WILL POINT OUT TO YOU VERY QUICKLY.
BUT, UH, I THINK HE, IF HE'S GOT A CLAIM, IT'S NOT, IT, IT WOULD BE A CIVIL CLAIM AGAINST THE OTHER OWNER, NOT, NOT ONE THAT THE CITY WOULD PURSUE.
AND SECONDLY, WE ARE PURSUING THAT STUDY AND WE'RE IN, I THINK EITHER, I THINK WE'RE JUST GETTING READY TO FINISH THE SECOND PHASE OF IT.
IT'S LIKE A FOUR-PHASE STUDY AND DIDN'T DO THE PAPERWORK ON THAT STUDY.
UH, WE HAVEN'T GOT ANY PAPERWORK OURSELVES.
IT'S FROM THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS AND THEY'VE NOT GIVEN US NOTHING ON IT, OTHER THAN THEY'VE BEEN IN AND DONE SOME OF THE WORK AND WE'VE PAID OUT MONEY.
BUT AS SOON AS IT'S FINISHED, YOU CERTAINLY CAN HAVE ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE.
THEIR YARD IS, UH, IS COMPLETELY INUNDATED MUCH AT THE TIME THEY, THE HOUSE IS IF I CAN RECALL IT OR THE, OR THE, UH, HOME THAT'S, THERE IS RAISED ABOVE THE FLOOD LEVEL.
SO THEY DON'T HAVE REALLY A PROBLEM.
I DON'T THINK YOU GETTING IN THE HOUSE, BUT THEY HAVE A PROBLEM GETTING TO THE HOUSE.
SO IT'S LIKE ONE HOUR EVERYBODY DOES HAVE WRONG.
I THINK WE DID LOOK AT THAT AND ESTIMATE, UH, WOULD BE SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO ALLEVIATE THAT PROBLEM IN THE CITY, WHERE TO GET INTO THE YARD DRAINAGE BUSINESS, WHICH WE'RE NOT AND HAVE TO ALLEVIATE IT.
IT WOULD COST THAT KIND OF MONEY.
UM, I THINK IT WAS SOMETIME LAST YEAR, CHRISTMAS, UH, THE SAME STREET, THE SAME STREET CAR AS AN ASSET, WE CLOSED A ROW OF RIGHT AWAY THERE VOTING CLOSE RIGHT AWAY.
AND AT THAT TIME, DANNY AND HIS THOUGHT WAS, HE'S BEEN THINKING ABOUT IT AS THOUGH IT HADN'T BEEN SOMEBODY WHO HAD HIS THOUGHT WAS ONE TIME WAS OBVIOUSLY RUNNING BACK, UH, DOWN THE LINE WHERE THE POWER GOES RIGHT AWAY.
BUT OF COURSE, I THINK THAT INTO THE LEAST DOWN TO PROBLEMS TOWARDS THEM, BUT THERE WAS ALSO ANOTHER IDEA HE WOULD GET TO GO SO FAR ON THE UTILITIES RUN.
EVENTUALLY THAT WOULD CONNECT ON TO SOME OTHER PUMPS.
AND ONE OF THEM DIDN'T INVOLVE
I MEAN, SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE SUPPLIED ONE OF THE SOLUTIONS AND THAT'S EXPENSIVE, NOT ONLY THE BUILDING, BUT THEN TO OFFER, BUT IT'S NOT A HOMEOWNER'S PROBLEM.
LIKE I SAID, UM, THE LAW WAS BROKEN BY THE DEVELOPER IN THE CITY, ALLOWING THEM TO DEVELOP OLD TOWN BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IT'S AGAINST THE LAW TO DEVELOP FOR THE CITY.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE LAW THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, I THINK IS A CIVIL LAW, NOT A CRIMINAL LAW.
I MEAN, I, AGAIN, I'M NOT A LAWYER PROBABLY NEED TO TALK TO ONE, BUT, BUT THE DRAIN IS THIS NOW IN THIS, IN THE CITY OF NEWBURGH NOW, RIGHT? YEAH.
BUT WE HANDLE A DRAINAGE SYSTEM OFF PUBLIC WATERS, NOT OFF OF PUBLIC RIGHTS AND WAY, NOT OFF OF OUR DRAIN, BUT I'M SAYING IF THERE'S A DRAIN, IT'S IN THE CITY, A NEW BURN AND IT'S BLOCKED UP, THE CITY HAS A RESPONSIBILITY TO STOP IT.
IF IT IS, IF IT IS A CITY MAINTAINED WATER SYSTEM THAT WE DO, THEN WE TAKE CARE OF IT.
BUT IF IT'S YARD DRAINAGE, THEN THE POLICY UP TO THIS POINT HAS BEEN THAT WE DON'T DO THAT.
I THINK WHAT HE'S SAYING, I THINK HE JUST CONTENDED THAT IF THAT DRAIN WHATEVER DRAIN HE'S TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT.
WE'RE TRYING TO RUNS BETWEEN THE PROPERTIES OF EVAN, THE STREET AND DAVIS STREET.
GET THE DEVELOPER CLOSE TO THE CITY, CAME ALONG THAT A CITY HAS COME ALONG.
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YOU WERE SAYING THAT WE DON'T TAKE CARE OF THE PERSON'S YARD DRAINAGE, WHICH IS AN UNDERSTOOD.IF I, IF I GOT WATER STANDING IN MY YARD, GET A BUCKET OUT.
HE'S SAYING THAT IF THE DRAIN WOULD BE CONSTRUED AS A PILLAR, WHERE IT IS, IS IT, OR ISN'T IT, I GUESS IS THE QUESTION.
AND IF IT'S PLUGGED UP AND THAT'S THE REASON IT'S NOT DOING ITS JOB THEN IS TO SAY, THEY HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO UNPLUG IT.
IF IT SAYS PIVOTS, WELL, IF YOU COULDN'T GO PAST, IF YOU COULDN'T GO DOWN AND COUNTRY CLUB ROAD, THEN IT WOULD BE A PROBLEM WE NEED TO ADDRESS WHY? BECAUSE IT WOULD BE BLOCKING THE RIGHT OF WAY.
IF HE'D LOCK INTO ROAD, TURN INTO OUR PUBLIC WATER FOR THAT, IF IT WAS A ROAD PROBLEM AND HE COULDN'T GET TO HIS HOUSE TO ON HIS ROAD, WE'D NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THAT PROBLEM.
BUT IF IT'S IN HIS BACKYARD, WHICH IS REALLY HIS IN HIS BACKYARD AND HIS FRONT YARD FROM TIME TO TIME, UH, THAT'S, IT'S SAD.
IT'S BAD, BUT THERE'S, WE REALLY DO NOT GET INTO TAKING CARE OF PEOPLE.
WELL, LET ME ASK YOU THIS, WHOSE PROPERTY IS THAT DRAIN IS PLUGGED UP ON NOW THAT I CAN'T ANSWER YOU, THAT DANNY BROUGHT MY BABY I'M IN EITHER THE CITY OR THE STATE.
HERE'S A CUPBOARD THAT RUNS ON EITHER CUT YOUR CLUB ROAD OR YOUR CRIMINAL HAVE YOU WANT TO CALL IT EITHER BELONGS TO THE STATE OR THE CITY.
AND IT'S CLIMBED UP ON THE OLD SIDE OF TOWN.
A LOT OF THE BRITISH GUY DETERMINED IS THAT PUBLIC DRAIN.
IF HE'S TALKING ABOUT CALLING THE PROBLEM I'VE BEEN THERE, I HAVE MY OPINION.
THAT'S THE ONLY WAY FOR US I CAN SEE FOR IT'S TRYING TO, IF IT HAD TO DRAIN OPEN, THE OTHER WAY IT'S LIKE ON THE POTHEAD WAS SAYING, THIS IS GOING ANOTHER ROUTE.
BUT TO ME, IT'S A CITY OF PROBLEM BECAUSE YOU GOT OTHER HOMEOWNERS, LOTS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN.
AND WHEN THE WATER STANDS, IT FLOODS OFF THAT ONE LOT AND WENT TO OTHER LIVES ALSO IN THE, IN THE, UH, PEOPLE SET THE TANK DRAIN LINES.
AND SO YOU'VE GOT STANDING WATER THERE.
AND THEN YOU GOT IN THE SKEETERS AND ALL, YOU KNOW, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
I MEAN, SINCE YOU SAY IT'S BEEN SUCH A LONGSTANDING DEAL, CAN YOU COME BACK AT THE NEXT PETITION MEETING WE HAVE, WHICH WILL BE COME UP AND WE'RE SLEEPING.
DANNY IS HERE THAT I CAN GET SOME, SOME OF OUR IN-HOUSE EXPERT OPINION ON EXACTLY WHAT THE LAYOUT IS AND WHAT'S GOING ON TO CALLS FIRST OFF.
I'M SURE EVERYBODY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING OUR R D C
IT GOES BEYOND JUST A HOMEOWNER'S PROBLEM.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IT GOES BEYOND JUST THE HOMEOWNER'S PROBLEM.
IT COMES PART OF THE CITY PROMISES.
WELL, WE HAVE TO DETERMINE NIGHT WITHOUT THE MAIN GUY, AND IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT JUST, UH, CAUSED BY NATURE.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS A SERIOUS PROBLEM.
SO YOU WANT ME TO BE HERE NEXT MONTH WHEN YOU SEE THAT PROTECTION OF CITIZENS.
AND IF YOU WANT TO CALL ME IN THE HOUSE AND REMIND ME THAT I SAID, IT'S VERY NIGHT THAT WE WOULD MEET HIM.
HE'S NOT HERE WHERE HE IS, BUT I'M SURE HE'S TAKEN CARE OF BUILDINGS.
AT LEAST WE'LL LOOK INTO IT AND MAKE SURE WE DO A LOT WITH, WELL, SINCE I'M STANDING, I HAVE ONE ISSUE.
UM, AND LIKE, AS I SAID, SINCE BY HERE, WE TALKING ABOUT THE LAW, THE CONSTITUTION, IF LAWS ARE IN PLACE, IT SHOULDN'T A PERSON SHOULDN'T HAVE TO COME IN PETITION FOR THE LAWS TO BE CARRIED OUT.
WHAT I'M SPEAKING OF IS IF A HOMEOWNER HAS A TRACK OF LAND AND THE LAND IS COVERED BY AUTOMOBILES AND JUNK FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER, IF LAWS ARE ALREADY IN PLACE, I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PETITION FOR THE CITY TO TAKE CARE OF THE PROBLEM.
NOW, THE PROBLEM HAS BEEN ADDRESSED IN OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY, BUT JUST SEEMED LIKE THIS ONE PARTICULAR AREA, THE PROBLEM HAS BEEN ADDRESSED.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WATER? NO.
I'M TALKING ABOUT A LOT ABANDONED CARDS AND FIGHT SHOW ALL OF THEM AND RHINO.
I MEAN ALL, EXCUSE ME, ALL OF THEM, A POTHEAD.
WHEN HE WAS OUT THERE LOOKING AT THIS DRAINING SITUATION, HE COULDN'T HELP, BUT LOOK AT THE SITUATION,
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ABANDONED CARS OUT WHERE IT BROKE OUT.ALL RIGHT, LET MIKE'S DRESS OUT.
IS YOUR CAR, UM, THE, UH, THE SITUATION THERE, AS I UNDERSTAND, UH, IS A LONGSTANDING SITUATION.
AND APPARENTLY THERE WAS A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING, UH, BETWEEN THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE CITY THAT IS SEVERAL YEARS OLD, THAT ALLOWS HIM TO KEEP THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT HE HAD THERE HISTORICALLY, BUT NOT TO INCREASE THE NUMBER HE'S GRANDFATHERED IN, IF YOU WILL.
UH, AND, UH, WE'VE HAD ALONG WITH ANNOTATION, EXCUSE ME, IT WAS PROLONGED INDICATION.
WELL BEFORE USING THE PROPERTY FOR THAT PURPOSE PRIOR TO THE CITY THAT WE SPEAK, WE, SPEAKING OF JET CARS, SPEAKING OF JUST CARS ALONE, UH, I DON'T HAVE A COPY OF THE AGREEMENT, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW.
THERE WAS ONE ON FILE AND INSPECTIONS OFFICE.
WELL, HOW ABOUT GETTING THAT AGREEMENT? TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU, AND WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PAPER AND I NOTICED IN OTHER AREAS THAT THAT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED, YOU KNOW, FOOLS.
BUT JUST SEEMED LIKE THAT ONE PARTICULAR HOUSE JUST GETTING BYPASSED AND NOBODY SEEMS TO ADDRESS IT.
IF THERE IS A PREVIOUS
UH, EVEN HE HE'LL GO BACK AND GO LATE.
CAN STILL HAVE A PROBLEM VISIT AGAIN.
I DON'T HAVE A CLUE ABOUT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
THAT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN, BEEN STANDING FOR SINCE I'VE BEEN THERE.
AND I'M GLAD WE'RE ALL FAIRLY, EVEN TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY.
ANYBODY ELSE REQUESTING THE TEST ITSELF? NOBODY ELSE.
THE NEXT LAB WE HAVE IS THE PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER PROPOSED PROGRAM AMENDMENT, EXCUSE ME, TO THE 1997 CBDG URGENT NEEDS GRANT.
FIRST GIVE THE LADY ON THE HOUSES, RAISING THEIR UP.
TH THE TWO PEOPLE THAT SPOKE LAST, I THINK WAS MS. ROAD.
UM, SHE IS AT 2 0 8 ELLINGTON STREET.
UH, THE DESIGN HAS BEEN COMPLETED ON HER HOME AND IT IS CURRENTLY IN RALEIGH, UH, AWAITING APPROVAL FOR US TO BID IT.
AS SOON AS WE GET APPROVAL FROM RALEIGH, HE WAS SENDING HER RALEIGH ON AUGUST 29TH.
AND, UM, AS SOON AS WE GET THAT APPROVAL BACK, WE WILL BE AT HER HOUSE AND HOPEFULLY PROCEEDING.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT SHE HASN'T SEEN THE HOUSE TO START BEING RAISED YET.
WHAT IS THE SITUATION ON THAT? THAT'LL BE ANY TIME FOR YOU DAMN THE, UM, WE HAVE BID TWO GROUPS OF HOUSES, AS YOU'RE AWARE, TWO GROUPS OF FIVE, THE FIRST GROUP OF FIVE IS AWAITING THE STATE'S APPROVAL.
THEY WANTED TO LOOK AT THE PRICES AND STUDY THE CONTRACTS.
AND, UM, I FEEL LIKE EITHER TOMORROW OR THE NEXT DAY THAT WILL BE SETTLED.
WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THEM? YES, SIR.
AND WENT AND I WENT, MATTER OF FACT, I TOOK THE LIBERTY TO GO WEDNESDAY, UM, AND MEET WITH THEIR STAFF FOR ABOUT THREE HOURS IN THE AFTERNOON TO TRY TO SHAKE WHATEVER I COULD OUT TO GET THOSE THROUGH.
SO WE'RE ANTICIPATING, OH MAN.
I WAS OUT HERE AND THEY DIDN'T WANT ME BARKING AT MY NO, SIR.
I TOLD HIM I DIDN'T WANT TO BE CHEWED ON ANYMORE, BUT I DIDN'T MENTION YOU PARTICULARLY BY NAME.
I KNOW I SAID WE WERE VERY, IF YOU DON'T HEAR ANYTHING WITHIN THE NEXT 24 TO 48 HOURS, PLEASE GIVE ME A CALL.
SO HE SAYS, YOU KNOW THAT WHEN WE WERE HERE BEFORE AND YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAD TO SHOW DOWN AT THE, OKAY, GARRETTE WITH THE MAPS AND, UH, I, WE, WE GOT THE IMPRESSION YOU SAID THE FIRST FATNESS WAS JUST LIKE PRECIOUS.
THE FIRST FIVE, WE'RE GOING TO GO UP.
WE NEEDED TO VOTE ON SOMETHING THAT NIGHT.
AND THEN THE BALL IS IN THE PEOPLE'S PARK AS TO HOW QUICKLY THEY CAN MOVE OUT OF THE HOUSES AND WE COULD STOP RAISING THEM.
SO I'VE BEEN PERIODICALLY RIDING THROUGH WITH JOE, WHERE HE PUT ME IN A TALL HOUSE GOING UP IN THERE.
WE, WE WERE INFORMED, WE WERE INFORMED BY DEM THAT THEY WANTED TO REVIEW OUR CONTRACTS, OUR REVIEW, OUR BIDS REVIEW, EVERYTHING WE HAD.
AND, AND AT THAT TIME WE SUBMITTED IT TO THEM
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AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM, TRYING TO GET ANSWERS FROM THEM.UM, I FEEL LIKE WE WILL HAVE THOSE ANSWERS, ASK THEM, I'M MEETING WITH THEM LAST WEDNESDAY, UH, WITH THE OKAY.
WHEN I ASK YOU, HOW ABOUT YOU CALLING THEM IN THE MORNING AND TELL HIM THAT YOU WERE IN THIS MEETING TONIGHT AND IN THE NEXT CALLING, I'M GOOD.
YOU AIN'T GOING TO HAVE ANY CONTROLLER, SOMEBODY PROBLEM IN HIS MOUTH.
AND THAT WOULD USE THE, UH, I'M ASSUMING THEY WORK AND WHY THAT WAS.
BUT THAT'S JUST AN ASSUMPTION.
I MAKE AN IDEA AND TO FIND OUT IF THEY'RE WORKING LOUD, IF YOU'LL GIVE THEM A CALL IN THE MORNING, MR. MAYOR, THEY HA THEY READILY IDENTIFIED.
WHEN I MET WITH THEM LAST WEDNESDAY, THAT THEY ARE THEY'RE NEW AT THIS TOO.
AND, UM, I THINK THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THE INDECISION HAS COME FROM, BUT I, BUT IT'S STILL GOT TO BE DONE EVERY TIME YOU LOOK IN A NICE BIKE, BUT WHETHER IT'S OURS OR SEE THE NEWS OR WHATEVER, EVERYBODY FROM THE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS, RIGHT ON THAT EXPRESS, THAT FRUSTRATION WITH HOW SLOW ALL THESE PROCESSES ARE GOING.
AND HE SHOWS BACK JUST TO THE FOOT DOES THAT? IT DOES.
IT IS VERY FRUSTRATING, BUT NOW THAT WE'VE ALL AGREED TO IT, LESS FRUSTRATING WE'LL MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN.
SO ALL I'M ASKING YOU TO DO, YOU CALL THEM IN THE MORNING AND TELL THEM I'M OUT OF CONTROL.
YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE THEM AND YOU'LL BE DONE.
AND TELL ME AGAIN, I'M NOT AS THE OLD FOLKS USED TO SAY, MY FAMILY, I'M NOT THROWING OFF.
THEY MAY BE GOING WILD, BUT YOU KNOW, I WANT THEM TO KNOW THAT WE ALL DO SOME ACTIONS.
HI, WHEN MAYOR BAYLA SAYS, BUT WHY DO WE HAVE TO BUNDLE ALL OF THESE, UH, PARTICULAR HOMES? WHY CAN'T WE DO ONE AS A TEST CASE, LET'S DO SOMETHING TO SHOW THE FOLKS THAT WE'RE REALLY SERIOUS.
AS WE, EVERYBODY KNOWS WE'RE SERIOUS.
LET'S DO JUST THE FIRST ONE AND GET SOMETHING OFF THE GROUND BECAUSE, UH, WE DON'T, WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING IN MONTHS.
THAT IS TH THAT IS THE APPROACH.
WE ARE APPROACHING THEM ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS.
I'M ALMOST AFRAID TO TRY ANY CHANGES AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE I CAN JUST SEE THE PEOPLE IN RALEIGH SAYING, OH, WELL, NOW THIS IS SOMETHING NEW.
LET'S GO BACK AND START ALL OVER AGAIN AND TAKE ANOTHER SIX MONTHS TO THINK ABOUT THIS.
IT IS EXTREMELY FRUSTRATING TO SEE HOW SLOW THESE THINGS MOVE.
AND I HAVE A FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE OF THE FRUSTRATION BECAUSE I LIVE WITH SOMEONE WHO WORKS FOR THE STATE GOVERNMENT AND THEY CAN WORK 12 HOURS A DAY DOWN HERE.
AS I KNOW, YOU GUYS ARE PUTTING IN A LOT OF WORK, GOING TO MEETINGS AT NIGHT AND EVERYTHING.
AND WHEN IT GETS TO RALEIGH, IT SEEMS TO LAND ON THE DESK OF SOMEONE WHO WORKS FROM EIGHT TO FOUR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND IF IT'S NOT FINISHED BY FOUR, O'CLOCK IT WAITS TILL THE NEXT DAY.
IT IS SO FRUSTRATING TO WADE THROUGH THIS BUREAUCRACY.
I, WHAT ELSE CAN WE SAY? WE'VE SAID IT BEFORE.
IT'S AND WE DO OUR PART DOWN HERE, AND THEN IT GOES TO RALEIGH.
AND IT'S ALMOST LITERALLY OUT OF THE HANDS OF PEOPLE WITH A FIRST LEVEL KNOWLEDGE OF THE PROBLEM.
I DON'T THINK ANY OF THOSE PEOPLE WORKING ON IT IN RALEIGH HAD ANY WATER IN THEIR HOUSES DURING THE HURRICANE.
IT'S AN ABSTRACT TO A LOT OF THEM.
SOME OF THEM ARE HELPING US A LOT, BUT IT IS SO IT'S LIKE PULLING TEETH.
IT SEEMS LIKE TO GET THESE THINGS MOVING WITH ANY DEGREE OF URGENCY AT FIRST FIVE SHOULD COME BACK.
YOU SAY, YOU SHOULD KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THAT FIRST FIVE TOMORROW, RIGHT? YES.
I FEEL LIKE, OKAY, YOU FEEL LIKE, AND THEN I'M GOING TO CALL TOMORROW MORNING AND AND TELL HIM IF IT DON'T GO HAVE SOME OTHER POLITICAL, ARE YOU GOING, LET ME TELL YOU THIS HONEST TO GOD, EVERY PIECE OF THE PUZZLE OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
AND I UNDERSTAND, I APPRECIATE THAT.
IN OTHER WORDS, THE ONES THAT ARE REVIEWING THE CONTRACTS, THAT'S THE WAY THEY GOING TO BE JUDGED AND THEIR CAREER OR WHATEVER IS THAT.
WELL, THEY DID ON JUDGING THE CONTRACT.
I MEAN, AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND, I WANT THOSE FOLKS TO KNOW THAT THE ONLY WAY WE GONNA MEASURE ANY PROGRESS IS WHEN WE SEE A HOUSE GOING UP, IT DON'T MATTER HOW MANY REPORTS WENT BACK AND FORTH.
AND NOMADIC IS ABOUT 10,000 PHONE CALLS.
THERE'S A HOUSE GOING UP THERE.
AIN'T NO BALLGAMES, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S THE THING AND IT'S GOT TO HAPPEN AND IT'S GOT TO MOVE ON.
ONE MORE THING, MIKE, I KNOW, UH, THERE MAY BE SOME POLITICAL PRESSURES, BUT THIS IS NOT A POLITICAL THING.
THIS IS A HUMAN CONDITION THING.
AND UNTIL THE FOLKS OUT THERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON ELLINGTON STREET OR WHEREVER THE FIRST FIVE, OR UNTIL THEY SEE SOMETHING, THEY'RE JUST SAYING THAT WE'RE JUST GIVING IT LIP SERVICE.
BUT I WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW THAT WE'VE BEEN PUSHING YOU AND PUSHING OUR STAFF
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TO GET SOMETHING DONE.BECAUSE WE CAN ONLY MEASURE, UH, WHAT WE, WE HAVE NOTHING TO MEASURE AND WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING THE, UM, THE FIRST GENTLEMAN THAT CAME UP, MR. MAYOR, I THINK IT WAS, UH, MR. EDWIN IPOD.
HE IS AT 2311 OAKS ROAD IN WOODROW.
UM, HIS HOUSE ALSO ON AUGUST THE 31ST, UH, HIS DESIGN WENT UP TO RALEIGH TO BE APPROVED.
UM, AND IT IS WAITING TO BE APPROVED ON THE, UM, 1997 URGENT NEEDS PROGRAM.
UM, AND THEY ASK YOU ONE QUESTION BEFORE YOU GO TO THAT.
I HAD A LADY CALL ME TODAY UP FROM BEACH STREET.
SHE WENT UNDER THE FIRST FIVE.
SHE WAS HER HOUSE IN, UM, IN MAY, WAS INVESTIGATED, UM, CRAWLED UNDERNEATH AND LOOKED AT.
UM, THERE APPARENTLY IS SOME SEVERE STRUCTURAL DAMAGE TO THAT HOME, UH, ENOUGH THAT IT WAS QUESTIONABLE, WHAT WE COULD DO WITH IT AT THAT TIME.
UM, SO HERS IS, IS NOT, HAS NOT BEEN SENT TO RALEIGH FOR DESIGN.
IT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST ONES LOOKED AT.
UM, SO WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AND SEE WHAT IS THE SOLUTION FOR OUR OWN.
GIVEN THE SOLUTION, A BUYOUT MIGHT, WOULD BE ONE OF POSSIBLY 1 0 6 BEACH STREET, I THINK.
YEAH, SHE HAS NOT BEEN ADVISED.
WE, WE, WE LOOKED AT HERS AND, AND THE NOTES I HAVE FROM THE ENGINEER THAT HAD SEVERE, NOT ONLY STONLY STRUCTURAL DAMAGE, BUT A COMPLICATED STRUCTURE, UH, PART OF US ON THE SLAB PART OF IT'S STRUCTURALLY WEAK, AND IT JUST SEVERAL THINGS ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
UM, I WILL CONTACT HER TOMORROW THOUGH, LIKE FOR ME TO TELL HER WHAT'S GOING ON JACK SMITH CREEK.
I MEAN, EVERYTHING AT THAT TIME, THAT THING BLOWS OVER, IT GOES INTO HER.
UM, THE ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHERE WOULD BE NEXT IS A, IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR A PROPOSED PROGRAM AMENDMENT TO YOUR 1997 URGENT NEEDS PROGRAM.
UM, MR. MAYOR FIRST, ALL RIGHT, I'LL MAKE SOME REMARKS AND THEN WE COULD RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENTS OR ASK THE QUESTIONS, AND THEN I'LL TRY TO ANSWER THOSE AFTER WE ARE NOT.
UM, THE 1997 URGENT NEEDS PROGRAM WAS A PROGRAM THAT WAS IN THE PAVEY TOWN AREA.
UH, IT WAS USING CONDUCT CONJUNCTION WITH AN HMGP PROGRAM.
THE, UM, UH, THE PDB TOWN PROGRAM URGENT NEEDS PROVIDED RELOCATION ASSISTANCE TO PEOPLE WHO HAD HAD THEIR HOMES AND, UH, PURCHASED AND CLEARED, UH, AND BECAUSE OF THE, UH, INCOME LEVELS AND THE PROPERTY VALUES IN THE AREA, IT WAS FELT THAT THEY NEEDED RELOCATION ASSISTANCE TO, TO HELP THEM RELOCATE OUT OF THE FLOOD PLAIN.
SO THAT VERY BRIEFLY IS WHAT THE URGENT NEEDS PROGRAM WAS.
IT WAS A PROGRAM THAT WAS FUNDED WITH $600,000 OF URGENT NEEDS, MONEY PROVIDED BY THE DIVISION OF COMMUNITY ASSISTANCE.
UM, WE ARE PROBABLY 95% THROUGH WITH THAT PROGRAM NOW, UH, AS FAR AS ACTIVITIES GO, UH, WE WOULD ANTICIPATE UPON COMPLETION OF ALL OUR ACTIVITIES, WE'LL HAVE APPROXIMATELY $150,000 LEFT OVER.
UM, WE WOULD LIKE WE, I SAY WE WOULD LIKE, WE ARE PROPOSING TO KEEP PART OF THAT LARGE PART OF THAT MONEY IN, UH, PAVEY TOWN TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT THERE.
WE HAVE ALSO HAVE FOUR FAMILIES.
WE WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE RELOCATION ASSISTANCE TO, UH, AND THESE ARE IN THE TWO UNITS WE WOULD ACQUIRE PLUS TWO OTHER UNITS THAT HAVE BEEN ACQUIRED WITH, UM, HOOD DRI PHONES THAT WERE SUPPLIED THROUGH THE COUNTY.
UM, WE FEEL LIKE THIS WILL GIVE US A MORE COMPLETE TREATMENT RIGHT THERE IN THAT BABY TOWN NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AND REALLY HELP ADDRESS FURTHER RIGHT THERE WHERE WE HAVE, UH, WE ALSO, UM, THERE MAY BE SOME EXTRA WE'VE HAD OBVIOUSLY HAD TO ESTIMATE SOME OF THESE VALUES WHEN YOU DEAL WITH RELOCATION.
UH, AND AS STATED IN THE AD, WE HAD PLACED IN THE NEWSPAPER.
UM, IF THERE ARE ANY FUNDS LEFT OVER, BEYOND THAT, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WOULD BE.
UH, WE WOULD COME BACK BEFORE THIS BODY, UM, WITH SOME RECOMMENDATION, WHETHER THAT BE PAVEY TOWN OR SOMEHOW TO ASSIST IN THE WOODROW PROJECT, BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT THEY EXIST NOW.
UM, MR. MAY I BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT WHAT MIGHT HAVE MA'AM OKAY.
HOW ABOUT BIDDLE STREET? THERE'S A HOUSE RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF A BUILDING THAT
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WE HAVE FOR THE SIDE FELL OFF.ARE YOU GOING TO ACQUIRE THAT HOUSE? I UNDERSTAND THAT WAS, UH, WE ARE, UH, ANTICIPATING ACQUIRING THAT, UH, THE, UH, LADY TOLD US SHE WAS A SOLE OWNER.
WE HAVE SINCE FOUND 13 EHRS AND AS WE WERE MOVING TOWARD CLOSING, TWO MORE AIR SHOWED UP.
SO IT'S A MESS AIR WISE, BUT I THINK, UM, UH, SCOTT DAVIS HAS THAT IN PRETTY GOOD, UH, UH, IN, IN, IN, IN PRETTY GOOD HANDS RIGHT NOW.
UH, BUT, UH, IT WAS, IT WAS A REAL CURVE WHEN WE FOUND ALL THOSE AYERS.
I WAS WONDERING WHAT HAPPENED.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT HAPPENED, BUT IT IS, SHE IS IN THE PROGRAM.
AND AS SOON AS WE CAN GET THE AIR SITUATION FINALIZED, THEN WE CAN GO AHEAD AND CLOSE ON IT.
I'D LIKE TO FIND OUT, UH, FROM MR. IPOD, HE HAS ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ISSUE.
I, THE THING ABOUT IT IS WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT TO THE COMMUNITY WATCH AND EVERYTHING, AND WE'VE BEEN TOLD FOR THE PAST THREE MONTHS, EVERY TIME WE COME TO ONE OF THESE MEETINGS, EVERY TIME IT'S THE SAME THING, WE GOT YOUR STAFF WITH IT.
YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WE DECIDED, YOU KNOW, IF NOTHING DON'T HAPPEN, WE'RE GOING TO GET THE TV INVOLVED OR THE GUN OR SOMEBODY IS GOING TO GET INVOLVED.
I HOPE YOU CAN GET THE GOVERNOR INVOLVED.
MAYBE THAT'LL SPEED UP THE PROCESS.
AND MAYBE WE CAN GET EVERYBODY TO SIGN A PETITION AND GET THAT TO HIM, DRIVING US CRAZY.
AND MORE PEOPLE YOU GET INVOLVED IN IT, RATTLING THEIR CAGE.
WE'LL GET A, AND SEND IT TO HIM OR THE TV, THE ONE DID YOU, DID YOU EVER SEE THE SIZE OF THE DOCUMENT THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH ON EVERY HOUSE? IT'S JUST, NO, BUT IF HE COULD RAISE 10 HOUSES BE BETTER.
WELL, APPARENTLY THEY'RE CLOSE, BUT THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE.
HUH? I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAY AND IT BEAT ME WITH A BOW SPEEDED UP ABOUT, HEY DUDE, DUDE, I AIN'T COME UP HERE TO BEAT YOU WITH A WHOOP.
I MEAN, IF IT WOULD HAPPEN, IF IT WOULD HELP, YOU KNOW HOW TO HANDLE, BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY HAD TELL YOU WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO RAISE YOUR HOUSE FOR FOUR YEARS, WHAT WOULD YOU BE ASKING QUESTIONS? YEAH, YOU WOULD, BUT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LAB, UH, HOPE, UH, HOPE.
WELL, I DON'T MEAN TO REHASH IT.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I DON'T MEAN TO GO OVER AND OVER IT, BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST THE WAY THE PEOPLE FEEL OUT THERE.
STAY ON THAT, THAT GUY RIGHT THERE HATES TO SEE YOU HEAR ME.
LET'S SEE WHAT IT IS IS WE'RE ALL FRUSTRATED IN THIS WHOLE SITUATION.
AND WHAT I TRY TO DO IS TO LOOK FOR SOME, AND WE HAVE THEM IN THE LIFT WITH SOME LITTLE WAYS ALONG THE WAY THAT WE CAN GET HERE A LITTLE BIT HERE AND A LITTLE BIT THERE TO SPEED IT UP, OR IT'D BE A WHOLE LOT WORSE THAN WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
AND AGAIN, IF IT WAS MY OWN STUFF, I WOULD FEEL A WHOLE LOT BETTER IF MY OWN STUFF WAS DEPENDENT ON THIS THAN YOURS TOO.
WELL, IT HURTS ME WORSE WHEN THE OTHER FELLOWS, DEPENDING ON ME THAN IF I'M DEPENDING ON MY OWN SELF.
WELL, I MEAN, I, I'M NOT, I'M NOT STANDING UP HERE SAYING I'M MAD WITH HIM.
WHY MAD WITH HIM? BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, YOU KNOW, AFTER AWHILE AFTER FOUR OR FIVE YEARS OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, YOU GET TO THINKING, WELL, THIS AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN.
YOU KNOW? SO I MEAN, YOU KNOW, EITHER, EITHER TELL US YOU AIN'T GOING TO DO IT OR TELL US YOU ALL ARE GOING TO DO IT.
DON'T TELL US EVERY TWO MONTHS, YOU'RE GOING TO RAISE A HOUSE.
WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO GET THIS? ARE YOU GOING TO GET THAT? WELL, I MEAN, MY, THE TRUTH, YOU MAY BE TELLING THE TRUTH AND THE BOTTOM LINE.
AND IT WAS, IF IT WAS, IF IT WERE US, THAT WOULD BE DOING IT.
WE CAN DO IT A LOT FASTER, BUT HAVING TO DEAL WITH RALEIGH TO GET MONEY FROM WASHINGTON IS THREE LEVELS ABOVE WHERE WE CAN GET ANYTHING DONE QUICKLY.
AND IT'S AGGRAVATING TO SAY THE LEAST VERY TRUE.
IF YOU CAN GET A MEETING WITH SOME OF THOSE FOLKS IN RALEIGH, I'LL BE BLABBING AWAY AND I'M SURE THE MAYOR WOULD DO.
YOU HEARD HIM SAY, YOU CAN CALL US IN THE MORNING.
THEN HE'S GOING TO CALL ME I'M IN THE PHONE BOOK, GIVE ME A CALL.
MARTIN MOON ASKED TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION TURNED DOWN FROM HIM AFTER HE TALKS TO ME.
AND IF I SEE NEED TO GO ON THE ROAD AND THE ONLY ASS I'M GOING TO GET, IT'S GOING TO SATISFY ME.
IS IT THE PAPERWORK IS ON THE WAY BACK TO NEWBIE.
I DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE HIM AN ANSWER FIRST.
WASN'T GIVING THE GUY THE ANSWER.
ANYTHING OTHER THAN JUST COMING OUT OF THAT DAY.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S GOING TO STOP ME.
RATTLING THE CAGE ON THE EARLY AND SEE WHAT HAPPENED.
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SAYS THE ONLY THING THAT'S GOING TO SATISFY ANY OF US IS THAT THE PAPERWORK IS ON HIS WAY BACK FROM RALEIGH.DOES THAT MEAN THAT WHEN THAT PAPERWORK GETS HERE, WHAT, WHAT THAT, THE NEXT STEP IS TELLING THE CONTRACTORS TO GO TO WORK? TAKE HIM? WELL, HE DIDN'T EVEN HEAR THE QUESTION FOR THE CONTRACT.
MY QUESTION WAS WHEN THE MAYOR SAID THEY ONLY, THEY ONLY ANSWER.
WELL, THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY, MR. MAYOR.
NOW THAT THE DUST SETTLEMENT AND, UH, I WANNA, I WANT, I NEVER EVEN GOT AN ANSWER.
THE MAYOR SAID THAT, UH, THE ONLY ANSWER IT'S GOING TO SATISFY US IS THAT THE PAPERWORK IS ON ITS WAY BACK FROM RALEIGH.
OKAY? IF THE PAPERWORK IS ON HIS WAY BACK TO RALEIGH AND IT LANDS IN YOUR HANDS, WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP? YOU DO CALL THE CONTRACTORS AND SAY, GET TO IT.
OR WHAT? CONTACT THE HOMEOWNERS.
WE HAVE A CONTRACTORS, OUR OWN GO RIGHT.
CONTRACTORS ARE READY TO START WORKING.
THEY'RE CALLING, THEY'RE CALLING WON'T YOU GO TO WORK.
UH, WE WOULD GO AND TELL THE HOMEOWNERS THAT, UM, UH, YOU HAVE X NUMBER OF DAYS TO GET OUT.
IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT, YOU OFFER THEM A TEMPORARY RELOCATION.
THEY GOT TO MAKE ARRANGEMENT SOMEWHERE TO MOVE.
WHAT DID WE GET TO PAY MORE BACK TOMORROW? YOU GOT SOMETHING TO FILL IN.
WHERE THERE, WHERE YOU JUST PUT AN X.
IF IT WERE JUST PROJECTING THAT IF THAT WERE TO COME BACK TOMORROW, OR YOU READY TO, YOU READY TO VACATE SO THEY CAN GO TO WORK ON THE HOUSE.
SHE SAYS SHE IS, YOU SAY, OKAY, JUST, OKAY.
SO, I MEAN, I'M ASK HER, I'M ASKING, WASTING TOO MUCH TIME.
I'M ASKING A SERIOUS QUESTION BECAUSE WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT IT.
IF THE DAY HE GETS THE, UH, THE DAY HE GETS THE APPROVAL AND CALLS YOU, YOU COULD BE OUT WITHIN A COUPLE OF DAYS.
THEN WHAT? WAIT, WAIT ONE AT A TIME, BECAUSE I'M ASKING A QUESTION.
I REALLY NEED TO KNOW AND YOU'RE READY TO THEN WELL, WE NEED TO FIND THAT OUT NOW.
THERE DON'T WANT IT TO DELAY IT WHEN WE GET THE, OKAY.
NOW I THINK THAT THE GENTLEMEN, YOU EXPLAINED TO US THAT YOU WERE GOING TO BE IN TOUCH WITH THE FIRST FIVE, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO SHOW THEM THE OPTION THAT THEY, THAT YOU HAVE FOR THEM TO MOVE.
YEAH, I COULD, IF THEY NEEDED SOME HELP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU DO THAT.
SO THEN I GUESS WHAT WE NEED TO, WHAT WE NEED TO BELIEVE AS WHEN YOU GET THE ANSWER TOMORROW.
AND THE ANSWER IS THAT THE PAPERS ARE ON THEIR WAY.
THEN YOU WILL BEGIN TO CONTACT THOSE FIRST FIVE AND TELL THEM, WHY ARE WE READY TO GO? AND THEN HE'LL EXPLAIN TO YOU EXACTLY WHAT IT IS YOU NEED TO TAKE OUT.
AND HOW LONG YOU EXPECT THAT THEY'D GOT TO BE AWAY FROM THE HOUSE.
SO HE HAS, UH, HE SHOWED US THIS LIST OF THINGS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO TO GET OUT THE WAY.
SO WE'RE HOPING THAT THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN REALLY VERY, VERY SOON, BUT THEY WILL BE IN TOUCH.
NOW BACK TO THE PUBLIC, ANYBODY ELSE, WE KIND OF GOT OFF TRACK A LITTLE BIT.
WE HAVE THIS PUBLIC HEARING ABOUT THE 97 CDBG URGENT NEEDS GRANT IS ANYBODY ELSE MAKE COMMENT ON LAND? THIS IS NOT RAISING IT.
I'LL MOVE IT CLOSER TO PUBLIC HEARING.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ARE WE TO TAKE ANY ACTION? HE MAKES A RECOMMENDATION, RIGHT? THE, THE ACTION THAT WOULD NEED TO BE TAKEN IS JUST APPROVE SUBMISSION OF AN AMENDMENT TO THE 1997 URGENT NEEDS PROGRAM.
SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
SIX, SEVEN AND EIGHT ON MUTUAL AGREEMENT WE DISCUSSED IN THAT MEETING.
MA'AM YES, YES, YES, YES, YES.
I DON'T HAVE IT COMING THIS WAY, MAN.
I LIKE TO REPORT MS. STEVEN BENNETT TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
THREE MINOR THINGS WHICH I HAVE PASSED TO THE CITY MANAGER.
I'M SURE IN HIS WISDOM, HE WILL FIND A WAY TO TAKE CARE OF IN
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THE IMMEDIATE FUTURE.YOU DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, NO, SIR.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IS LATE ABOUT RAISING THE HA NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
I TRIED TO COME OUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, UH, YES.
YOU KNOW, I'M REAL PROUD THAT 49 OF THE, UH, CITIES AROUND OUR AREA ARE COMING IN TO LOOK AT DUBIN AS THE EXAMPLE FOR ALL OF THEM READING THROUGH IT, OF DOWNTOWN AREA.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, MOST OF US ON THE BOARD, I'D SAY ABOUT 90% OF BED, 12 TO 14 YEARS IN THE WORK THAT HAD A PROVEN THIS.
AND, AND I'M REAL GLAD TO SEE IT.
I'VE SEEN THE MANAGERS GO GET SOME RECOGNITION BOARD.
AND, UH, UH, THE ONLY THING THAT BOTHERS ME, I DON'T THINK THE BOARD HAS BEEN INVITED.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING READY TO SAY.
I WANT TO BE THERE WHEN HE GET HIS, BUT MY WHOLE POINT IS THAT THAT THIS AT THIS BOARD HAD WORKED HARD ON JUST A PROVEN AND GOING ALONG WITH THIS THING AND IT STARTS TOMORROW NIGHT.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF US RECEIVED AN INVITATION TO THEM.
WE DID JUST APPROVE A LOT OF THINGS.
SPEND A LITTLE MONEY TO LET ME SAY, ALONG WITH WHAT YOU DID WITH THAT.
UH, AND I'LL GIVE THIS BOARD GREAT CREDIT FOR THAT.
AND BEFORE I CAME ALONG AND WAS ON THE BOARD FOR SALE, AND THAT IS THE GENERAL PUBLIC, AND TO ALSO BE CONVINCED INTO BUYING THIS THING, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, QUITE A WHILE THE GENERAL PUBLIC DIDN'T REALLY SEE A GREAT BENEFIT REDOING THE DOWNTOWN.
AND SO THEY HAD TO BE SHOWN IN CONVINCED THAT IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, AND THEY ALL BOUGHT INTO IT.
AND THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT REASON THAT IT HAPPENED AS THE OTHER 23,000 CITIZENS IN ME WERE BOUGHT INTO THAT.
SO A BOARD DOES DESERVE CREDIT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS THE AGENDA FOR THAT.
I WAS SUPPOSED TO GO TO THE SALAD CLOCK AND I THINK SO I HAD A WELL, AND THEN I'M SUPPOSED TO SAY ABOUT THE WELCOME, I GUESS, BUT I JUST MUST NOT HEARD ANYTHING.
WHY I'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT IT.
SOMEBODY PUT THIS, I'LL FIND OUT SOME INFORMATION ON IT AND LET YOU KNOW.
BUT I MEAN, I, ALL I KNOW IS I'M SUPPOSED TO SHOW UP AT SIX 30 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO BE THERE.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING I KNOW ABOUT, PLEASE DO GET HER TO GET ON THE AGENDA LAND AND GET ON THE BOARD.
SO A PART THAT BOTHERS ME, I DON'T THINK THE POET SHOULD HAVE TO ASK FOR THEM.
WE'RE NOT LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY.
I'LL SEE IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE TO BE PART OF THE PROGRAM AND HAVEN'T EVEN RECEIVED IN THE TASTE THAT TO US, WHEN THEY HAD THE PEPSI CELEBRATION HERE, I HAVE NOT FORGET RIGHT NOW, I GET MY OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE REMARKS.
AND THEY KNOW, MAN, EXPLAIN RODNEY SMITH.
I TALKED TO HIM BLINDLY AND HE WAS TELLING ME ABOUT HOW PROUD HE WAS, THE CITY OF BRITAIN AND HOW THEY SOLD THE BUSINESS.
AND SHE WAS GOING TO GET OUT OF THE COHORT.
I'M JUST GOING TO SHOW HIM EVEN WHEN HE WASN'T POPULAR ONE DAY.
AND SO HE KNOWS, YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS BOARD HAS BEEN WORTH IN IT.
AND I ASKED HIM WHEN I MIGHT FIRE HIM,
AND I'M GONNA MAKE SURE TO TELL HIM ON THE STAND AND THE SUPPORT OF THAT BOARD.
NOW, WHAT HAPPENED BECAUSE OF THE CITIZENS AND THE OUTLINE OF THE CITY LIMITS, I'M INVOLVED IN THAT, WHY YOU'RE DOING THIS DOWNTOWN AND YOU AIN'T HAVE
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A WHOLE LOT OF POLITICAL LEGWORK THAT HAS TO BE DONE.SO EVERYBODY KIND OF UNDERSTANDS WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT TILL PEOPLE WERE WILLING TO MAKE THAT COMMITMENT.
IT AIN'T GOING BILL YOU'LL HEAR FROM THEM NEXT TIME THEY WON'T SOMETHING JUST HAD TO SAY
I DIDN'T KNOW HE HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR THIS BOY.
THERE WOULD BE NO DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION.
WE HAD ALLOCATED ALL THE MONEY.
SO HE WAS INSULTED BECAUSE HE FEEL THAT OUR IN GOOD WAS CRUCIALLY.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT WAS IN THE SPECIMEN AND THIS SPILLS AGAIN, BUT IN THIS, THOSE ANTIBODIES, APPARENTLY IN FAIRNESS TO OUR DOWNTOWN ORGANIZATION, THEY WERE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR INVITATION TO EITHER GOING OUT OR NOT GOING OUT.
THEY DIDN'T, THEY DIDN'T MAKE THIS AS A STATEWIDE GREETER DOING THIS.
AND THEY DIDN'T EXTEND AS FAR AS I KNOW, THEY DIDN'T EXTEND ANY PARTICULAR INVITATIONS TO ANY, BUT I WILL CERTAINLY LOOK AT IT AFTER THE PROMISE.
I HAD SOMEONE COME IN TODAY TO TALK ABOUT, UH, STATE YOUR NAME, BUT THEY DON'T WANT IT.
ONE THING I'D LIKE TO MENTION.
UH, GLEN BURNIE AVENUE HAS BEEN REPAVED, A CERTAIN PART OF IT COMPLETED, BUT IT'S A WHOLE, WHOLE LOT BETTER TO DRIVE ON GLEN BURNIE TODAY THAN IT WAS A WEEK AGO.
AND ALONG WITH IT, I TOLD BOB MADCHESTER TODAY.
AND EVERYBODY WAS JUMPING ALL OVER ME FOR HALF.
I WAS QUICK TO TELL HIM IT WAS THE OT I SAID, BUT I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND ADD HIS PAIN.
THERE'S NOT A PROBLEM BECAUSE HE KNOWS, I LIKE TO MAKE ONE COMMENT MYSELF OUT OF THE MESS, THE LIGHT.
AND THAT WAS A FELON, A FIRE MAJOR FISHER.
AND I'D LIKE TO TELL Y'ALL A LITTLE STORY JUST TO SHOW YOU WHEN YOU'VE BEEN THERE AS MANY YEARS AS I HAVE SOMEONE ARRESTED, YOU HAVE HERE BACK IN 1960 SOMETHING, AND Y'ALL KNOW HOW TO KILL Y'ALL ABOUT MY CAR.
WHEN I HAD HEARD HIS LITTLE 1953 STUDEBAKER STARLIGHT, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY OF YOU FOR ME.
IT WAS MAXED OUT AS A WHOLE LOT MORE
BUT ANYHOW, THAT WAS BEAUTIFUL WITH THE CAR I'M ON THE VA.
AND I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE ENGINE AND A GENTLEMAN NAMED MAJOR FISH FIXED ME AND DID A REAL GOOD JOB.
AND I HADN'T SEEN HIM ALL THESE YEARS.
IN FACT, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THE MAN WAS STILL ALIVE UNTIL I SAW IN THE PAPER WHERE THAT FIRE.
AND I UNDERSTOOD THAT HE WAS OUT OF THE FIRE 80 YEARS OLD AND THOUGHT HIS FAMILY WAS STILL IN IT AND WENT BACK IN TO SAVE HIS FAMILY.
AND THAT, WHICH DOESN'T SURPRISE ME, EVEN THOUGH I HAVEN'T SEEN THE MAN 35 YEARS OF WHATEVER IT WAS, HE WAS THAT COUNTY GUY, BUT I NEEDED 35 YEARS AGO.
AND, UH, I JUST WISH I WOULD'VE KNOWN HE WAS STILL ALIVE.
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STORES WITH IT.AND HE WAS STILL THAT KIND OF GUY, HIS PORCH, EVERYBODY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS SAYING NOW, WHAT ARE THE OLD GUYS GOING TO DO? CAUSE THEY ALL SIT AROUND BECAUSE THEY ALL SIT AROUND HIS, ON HIS PORCH AND HE'S PRO COURT AND SWAPS THEORIES.
AND THAT WHEN YOU ARRIVED, THE FIRST THING PEOPLE SAY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHEN THIS TRAGEDY HAPPENED OVER THERE, WHY DID THE OLD PHONE'S GOING TO GO AHEAD NOW? BECAUSE HIS HOUSE WAS THAT HE WAS STILL THERE KIND OF GUY THAT'S WHERE THEY FELLOWSHIPPED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I STOPPED THAT MYSELF MAJOR FISHERIES.
BUT LAST YEAR WE DIDN'T KNOW, THE MAN WAS STILL ALIVE.
OF COURSE I WAS A WHOLE LOT YOUNGER ABOUT, AND HE SEEMED LIKE HE WAS A BIG, TALL GUY GETTING BIGGER.
I GET A LOT OF PEOPLE LOOK A LOT SMALLER THAN THEY USED TO.
YOU COULDN'T TELL HIM ENERGETIC.
YOU HEAR THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, LEAVE A LEGACY, I GUESS, AFTER THE MAN DOES WHAT HE DID.
AND HE GOES OUT, I GUESS THAT'S THE BEST WAY YOU CAN GO OUT.
BUT ANYWAY, JUST THOUGHT I'D SHARE THAT NOSTALGIA.
MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF A HABIT, NOT REALLY THREE ITEMS. NUMBER ONE IS, UH, I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION TONIGHT IS WE SENT OUT COPIES OF THE LAKE MANAGEMENT PLAN EACH ONE EARLIER, SORRY FOR THE LATE NOTICE, BUT WE'RE DOING IT AS FAST AS WE GET IT.
UH, STATE AS INDICATED THEY WILL APPROVE THIS PLAN THAT THEY, THEY KNOW WHAT SAYING.
AND SO WE NEED A RESOLUTION FROM YOU TO APPROVE THAT PLAN AND FORWARD IT ON TO THE SECOND.
DOES THIS MEAN THAT WHEN WE APPROVE IT, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO START BUILDING BIKES AND ALL THAT.
THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO START MR. CITY MANAGER ON PAGE THREE, THEN WE CHANGE AND WE CHANGE THE CODES TO WILL ABOUT NOTIFYING THEM, TAKE AN ACTION ON THE PUBLIC COMPLAINTS AND STUFF.
BUT IF YOU DON'T MIND, UNLESS AMENDED LATER ON, LET'S LEAVE IT.
AND THEN YOU CAN AMEND IT BUDDY AND CHOW OR WHEEL OR WHATEVER IT IS.
LET ME ASK YOU ONE OTHER QUESTION.
HOW MANY COPIES OF THAT? YOU PROBABLY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH AIR SO THAT IT'S OUT LOUD, THAT EVERY LANGUAGE YOU NEED TO HAVE WATER CEREMONIES THAT ARE
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'D BE A GOOD IDEA.
THESE ARE THE
THAT'S A GOOD APP AND IT IS A GOOD IDEA.
AND I WILL TRY TO TAKE CARE OF THAT AND MAKE SURE I CAN, I'LL GET COPIES OF THOSE, A FEW COPIES OF THOSE NINE PAGES TO EACH ONE OF YOU.
ADDITIONALLY, ALSO, AS YOU CAN DISTRIBUTE IT TO PEOPLE, IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.
AND, UM, THE NEXT THING I HAVE IS I HAVE A NOTE HERE FROM THE LEAGUE OF MUNICIPALITIES.
UH, THE CONFERENCE IS GOING TO BE IN OCTOBER AND ON TUESDAY, OCTOBER 17TH AT 9:00 AM.
THEY WILL HAVE THE VOTES ON THE POLICIES OF THE LEAGUE AND WE NEED TO HAVE A, UH, DELEGATE.
AND THERE ARE MORE THAN ONE ATTENDANT.
WE NEED AN ALTERNATE, SOMEBODY WHO CAN VOTE IN CASE THAT DELEGATES NOT PRESENT AND NOT.
SO, UM, I'M NOT SURE WHICH OF YOU PLAN TO ATTEND, BUT SOMEONE REALLY NEEDS TO BE APPOINTED AS A VOTING DAY.
LET'S START OUT WITH A NEW PLAN.
I HAVE A SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
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LET ME WITHDRAW MY NAME.WHY DON'T YOU JUST DELEGATE HIM TO SERVE IN YOUR PLACE? IF YOU'RE NOT SAYING IT'S REALLY NOT HIM, HE'LL BE THERE.
WELL, WHICH WAY ARE WE GOING TO DO IT?
UM, THE LAST THING THAT I HAVE TONIGHT IS OF COURSE, ALL OF, YOU KNOW, THE UNFORTUNATE SITUATION WITH, UH, MICHAEL AND GET ONE OF OUR REALLY GOOD EMPLOYEES WITH THE CITY.
UH, IN ANY EVENT, UH, THE SERVICES WILL BE AT COTTON FUNERAL, HOME, 10 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
ON FRIDAY, THERE WILL BE VISITATION TOMORROW NIGHT AND THE NEXT NIGHT FROM SIX TO EIGHT AT COTTON, ALL OF A SUDDEN TWO NIGHTS, TWO NIGHTS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT OUT FOR YOU.
I BELIEVE SO, BUT I HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO THAT.
OKAY, MR. MAYOR, BEFORE WE, UH, ADJOURN, I, I FORGOT IN THE HUSTLE AND BUSTLE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO KEEP THE BOARD AWARE THAT FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS, I'LL BE AT THE, UH, STEERING COMMITTEE MEETING FOR ENERGY ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL RESOURCES, OR THE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES.
AND WE'LL BE FORMULATING THE FINAL POLICY TO BE PRESENTED FOR APPROVAL BY THE ENTIRE GROUP.
AND IT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH HOPEFULLY THE FUTURE CLEANLINESS IS NOT ONLY THIS RIVER, BUT THESE TWO RIVERS, BUT OTHER RIVERS THEMSELVES, I'LL BE THERE FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS.