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LET US PRAY, FATHER GOD, IN THE NAME OF JESUS, GOD, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY IN WHICH YOU HAVE ALLOWED US TO SHARE IN PRAYER WITH THE MAYOR AND THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN.
AND WE GIVE YOU ALL THE GLORY HONOR AND THE PRAISE GOD, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT PRAYER CHANGES THINGS.
AND IF EVER THERE WAS A TIME THAT WE NEED FOR CHANGES TO TAKE PLACE IN THE CITY OF NEW BERN.
WE PRAY THAT AS THE BOARD OF MEET AND BOARD OF ORNAMENTS PREPARE TO START THEIR MEETING TONIGHT, GOD, THAT YOU WOULD JUST HAVE YOUR WAY WITH THEM TONIGHT.
GOD, ALL GOD WE ASK YOU RIGHT NOW, GOD, TO GIVE THEM A COMPASSIONATE HEART, GOD, AS THEY LISTENED TO THE CONCERNS OF YOUR PEOPLE, GOD OR GOD, WE ASK YOU RIGHT NOW TO JUST LET THEIR EARS BE A TENANT AND TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT IN YOUR SIGHT.
GOD, ALL GOD WE ASK YOU RIGHT NOW TO FEEL THEM WITH YOUR SPIRIT, GOD OR GOD, WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD JUST HAVE YOUR WAY IN THIS PLACE ON TONIGHT.
GOD, GOD, BECAUSE WE REALIZED THAT WE WOULD NEED YOU.
LIKE WE NEVER NEEDED YOU BEFORE GOD.
AND GOD WAS JUST ASKING YOU TO ENCAMP YOUR SPIRIT IN THIS COURTROOM TONIGHT.
GOD, AND JUST MOVE ABOUT THIS PLACE.
GOD HAVE YOUR WHITE HOLY SPIRIT RIGHT NOW AND REST RULE AND ABIDE WITH ON THIS BOARD.
GOD, ALL GOD, WE ASKED YOU TO LEAD THEM.
GOD LEAD THEM AT ALL ON THE STAND AND GOD HALLELUJAH THAT THEY CAN MAKE, RIGHT? DECISIONS, SOUND DECISIONS ON THE HALF OF YOUR PEOPLE, GOD OR GOD, WE PRAY AND COUNTED DONE IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, SON AND THE HOLY GHOST IN JESUS' NAME.
SO REPORT BY DAVID MUSE IS FIRST GOOD EVENING.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD MANEUVER AND WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT TREATED APPROXIMATELY 161 MILLION GALLONS OF WASTEWATER IN THE MONTH OF AUGUST FOR AN AVERAGE DAILY FLOW OF 5.2 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.
PEAK FLOW WAS 7.1 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.
AND THAT WAS RECORDED BOTH ON AUGUST 11TH AND AUGUST 31ST, THIRD QUARTER OR PHOSPHOROUS AVERAGE FOR THE EFFLUENT WAS 1.4, TWO MILLIGRAMS PER LITER.
THE BOD REMOVAL EFFICIENCY IS 88.9%.
THE TOTAL SUSPENDED SOLIDS REMOVAL EFFICIENCY IS 86.1%.
ALL PARAMETERS OF THE MPDS PERMIT WERE IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR, OUR PERMIT WITHIN LIMITS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE FLOW.
AND UH, ALL OF THAT FLOW CAN BE ATTRIBUTED TO INFILTRATION AND THE HEAVY RAINS THAT WE HAD DURING THE MONTH OF AUGUST, HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, UH, DATE ON THE, UH, UH, WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT DESIGN.
UH, THE ENGINEERS ARE AT THIS TIME STILL RESPONDING TO, UH, COMMENTS MADE BY THE STATE.
UH, WE SHOULD HAVE THOSE READY IN ABOUT TWO WEEKS TO GO BACK TO THE STATE, THE, UM, OR A PROJECT, UH, NEW-BORN REC WATER RECLAMATION PROJECT IS PROCEEDING ALONG NICELY.
WE HAVE RECEIVED A LETTER FROM THE STATE THAT STATED, UM, THE LAKE MANAGEMENT PLAN, WHICH WE HAVE RESUBMITTED, UH, IS ACCEPTABLE.
UH, WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR THE CONTRACT ENGINEERS NOW TO PUT TOGETHER A DESIGN FOR A, AN EMERGENCY, UH, SPILLWAY OR SOME, SOME MEANS TO PROTECT THE DAMS IN THE CASE OF HOW WATER ON THE OUTSIDE LOAD WATER ON THE INSIDE OR VICE VERSA, UH, DAM SAFETY SUGGESTED THAT, UH, THAT IS THE FINAL DESIGN THAT THEY'RE HOPING TO FINISH THIS WEEK AND GET THAT RESUBMITTED BACK TO THE STATE.
THAT WOULD BE THE LAST PERMIT THAT WOULD BE NEEDED FOR THE STATE TO ISSUE A PERMIT TO CONSTRUCT THAT PROJECT.
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UH, AS I REPORTED LAST TIME TO THE BOARD, UH, WE HAD OPENED UP A SPILLWAY IN THE DYKES, UH, GOING TO, UH, BACHELORS CREEK TO ALLEVIATE, UH, THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT WAS RISING IN THE QUARRY, UH, THROUGH SOME QUICK CALCULATIONS, UM, UH, ESTIMATED THAT RATHER THAN ABOUT 400,000 GALLONS PER DAY PER FOOT OF HEAD THAT THE COURT IS THAT THE QUARRY WILL, UH, DISPERSE INTO THE GROUNDWATER SYSTEM BASED ON THE NUMBERS THAT I RAN IN, VERY CONSERVATIVE OF THAT, UH, IT WAS CLOSER TO TWO AND A HALF MILLION GALLONS PER DAY WAS BEING DISPERSED IN THE GROUNDWATER.UM, BY MY CALCULATIONS ALMOST A BILLION GALLONS OF WATER HAVE ENTERED THE COURTING QUARRY IN THE MONTH OF JULY AND AUGUST.
WATER THAT, UH, HIT THE GROUND AND WE ACTUALLY DRAIN ABOUT 1200 ACRES, UH, NEAR OR AROUND THE CORE AND THE COLONY, UH, PARK AREA, UM, ALONG GLEN BURNIE ROAD.
AND ALSO THE, THE QUARRY ITSELF IS 650 ACRES.
DO YOU KNOW, OFF HAND WHAT THE DOWNFALL WAS DURING FLOYD, AS FAR AS RAIN WATER TO GIVE US SORT OF A YARD STICK.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? LOOK AT THE, IF YOU, IF YOU'D HAD A FLOYD OCCUR AND WE WERE AT WHATEVER LEVEL YEAH, I HEARD, AND THIS IS JUST OFF THE CUFF, I REALLY DO NOT REMEMBER.
I REMEMBER SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF 17 OR 19 INCHES FELL DURING FLOYD.
AND DURING THOSE TWO MONTHS FROM JULY 5TH, UH, THERE'S SOMEONE IN YOUR LIVES NEAR THE QUARRY THAT KEEPS, UH, RE VERY ASTUTE ABOUT KEEPING THE RAIN GAUGE SAID THAT THEY HAD 37, 37 INCHES OF RAIN IN 58 DAYS.
SO ABOUT TWICE BY FLOWING ABOUT TWICE WHILE FLOYD WAS ONE OTHER QUESTION THAT I MUST CALL IT A GATEWAY THAT YOU COULD IMAGINE WAS CREEK.
ARE YOU SATISFIED THAT A GATEWAY OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL THAT THING, POP ALL THE FOUL OF THAT SIZE WOULD BE SUFFICIENT FOR OUR NEEDS.
I MEAN, DID IT DRAIN QUICK ENOUGH FOR YOU? I'M ASKING, LET ME GO ON AND ASK THE WHOLE THING AT ONE TIME WHEN I WAS THINKING, IS IT, UH, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE IN THE ENGINEERING TO PUT UP? I DON'T REMEMBER.
WHAT, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? THE SLUICE, YES, SIR.
WE COULD PUT ONE BACK WHEN WE PUT THE DAMS LEVIES IN AND SO FORTH.
SO WE COULD ACTUALLY OPEN THAT GATE JUST LIKE YOU DID MECHANICALLY IN CASE WE HAD IT.
THAT, THAT THING THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE REQUIRING IS
AND NOT SOME CALCULATION OF WHATEVER.
SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF THAT ORDER OF MAGNITUDE EVENT OF THAT DUMPING YOU WERE ABLE TO DO IS WHERE YOU FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO BE.
AND THEN THEY ONLY ENGINEERING FUDGE FACTOR, WHICH I KNOW YOU PUT IN THERE.
THEN WE FEEL REAL GOOD ABOUT THE THING, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVING SAFETY OR PUTTING SAFETY UPON SAFETY.
I THINK THE FINAL DESIGN IS GOING TO BE TWO 30 INCH PIPES.
WE'LL GO THROUGH THE DIKE WALL AND WE'LL HAVE GATE VALVES ATTACHED TO THEM SO THAT YOU CAN OPEN THOSE UP, UH, EITHER IN COMBINATION OR SINGULARLY.
AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A SPILLWAY ON THE OUTSIDE TO PROTECT THE DYKE ITSELF, TO KEEP IT FROM BEING ERODED, UM, AS OPPOSED TO A CONCRETE SPILLWAY, WHICH WILL BE MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE BECAUSE YOU'D HAVE TO PUT CONCRETE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE DIKE AND STABILIZE THE BOTTOM OF THE, OF THE DYKE ALSO.
SO I THINK THE PIPES GOING THROUGH THE DYKER ARE GOING TO BE THE ANSWER AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DESIGNING.
AND HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO, WELL, A 30 INCH AREA ONCE YOU CUT A 30 INCH PIPE? UM, WELL WE REALLY HAVE SOME ESTIMATES AS TO WHAT WILL BE FLOWING.
WHAT'S FLOWING THROUGH THE OPENING.
NOW IT'S ABOUT A 15 FOOT WIDE CHANNEL FLOWING SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF ABOUT 18 INCHES DEEP.
UH, IF YOU COMPARE THAT AREA TO TWO 30 INCH PIPES, THEY'RE GOING TO BE VERY CLOSE TO THE SAME.
UM, I FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE WITH TWO 30 INCH PIPES AND IT MAY COME OUT THAT THE, THE, THE DESIGN MAY BE A LITTLE LARGER THAN THAT, BUT TWO 30 INCH PIPES IN MY OPINION WOULD BE FINE RIGHT NOW.
HOW MUCH DID IT COST? SO WE CAN PUT THE FOOT BACK 38 JUST IN CASE SOMEBODY HAS PENCIL SLIPS.
I WANT THIS THING TO BE AS BULLETPROOF AS A LUNAR LANDER WAS, I DIDN'T SAY THE SPIDEY SHIT.
THEN THE LAST THING THAT I HAVE TO REPORT FOR YOU TONIGHT IS, UM, THE CROSSING THAT IS TAKING PLACE, UM, BETWEEN THE TAYLOR PROPERTY AND THE CITY OF NEWBURN DOWN AT THE FOOT OF THE OLD BRIDGE.
UM, THE CROSS, THE NEUSE RIVER, UH, THEY HAVE GONE ACROSS THE RIVER AND HAVE STARTED BACK REAMING PULLING FIRST DAY, UH, 18 INCH BIT BACK THROUGH.
AND THEY ARE ABOUT, UH, SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 500 TO A THOUSAND FEET COMING BACK WITH A, UH, 26 INCH BIT, UH, THEY HOPE TO BE
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READY TO PULL THE 14 INCH CASING, UM, FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIVER THROUGH, UH, STARTING NEXT MONDAY.AND THAT SHOULD TAKE THEM ABOUT TWO, TWO AND A HALF DAYS TO PULL THAT IN.
AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE TO WELD THE, UM, CARRIER PIPE, WHICH IS A HIGH DENSITY POLYETHYLENE PIPE.
I HAVE TO WELD ALL THAT TOGETHER AND PULL IT THROUGH THE CASING, BUT THAT'S A VERY EASY OPERATION IN COMPARISON TO THE BORING THAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING.
THEY ENDED UP NINE AND A HALF INCHES RIGHT.
OF CENTER AND ABOUT SEVEN FEET LONG, WHICH IS REALLY AMAZING.
HOW DEEP DID THEY, UH, THE LOWEST POINT IS ABOUT, UM, I WANT TO SAY ABOUT 29 FEET, IF I RECALL A LOT OF SURFACE BELOW THE SURFACE BELOW THE SURFACE OF THE BOTTOM OF THE RIVER, SCOTT.
AND WALK DOWN TO THE LEAK DETECTION THAT YOU GOING TO HAVE FLOW IN AND FLOW OUT.
WHAT WE'LL ACTUALLY DO IS, UM, PUT THE CASING UNDER PRESSURE AND HAVE A GAUGE ON IT.
AND IF THE PRESSURE CHANGES, IT'LL BE A LOW PRESSURE, FIVE TO 10 PSI.
AND IF THE PRESSURE CHANGES, THAT MEANS THAT THE CARRIER PIPE IS LEAKED AND DISCHARGED INTO THE CASING PIPE AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO DETECT, OR IF WE LOSE PRESSURE, THEN WE KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT A HOLE IN THE CASING PIPE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
AND IF YOU USE THOSE TERMS LIKE CASING AND ALL THAT, JUST BECAUSE WE LIVE IN THE SOUTH, WE USED TO MAKE A SAUSAGE OR IS THAT, IS THAT A REAL TERM? YOU DIDN'T MAKE THAT UP FOR THE PRESENT PATIENT.
THE NEXT THING WE HAVE IS THE HAZARD MITIGATION REPORT BY PLANNING.
I PUT A COPY OF MY NOTES AT EACH OF YOUR PLACES.
I THINK YOU FOLLOW ALONG THE, UH, WE HAVE RECEIVED BIDS, UH, AS WE TALKED ABOUT IN OUR LAST MEETING TOGETHER ON 10 UNITS, UH, TWO OF THOSE UNITS ARE NOW UNDER CONSTRUCTION, NUMBER EIGHT, AND NUMBER 92, WE HAD ONE OF THOSE 10 WHERE THE PRICE EXCEEDS OUR ALLOWABLE APPLICATION BENEFIT.
UM, WE PLAN TO TRY TO REDO THAT HOUSE TO TRY TO REDUCE THE COST ON THAT HOUSE.
UH, THREE UNITS ARE RENTAL UNITS AND, UH, WE'RE WAITING ON SOME CLARIFICATION OF PRIORITY.
WE HAD DISCUSSED A LITTLE BIT AT A WORKSHOP MEETING, I THINK LAST MONTH.
UM, BUT WE I'VE GIVEN YOU SOMETHING.
SO YOU CAN JUST GET YOUR THOUGHTS TOGETHER ON THAT OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL WEEKS, UH, FOUR UNITS, WE'RE WAITING FOR PAPERWORK AND THE CONTRACTORS TO VERIFY HIS COMPLIANCE WITH, UH, HIS CONTRACTOR'S LICENSE AND THAT 1775 AND 78 UNITS THAT WERE OUT FOR BIDS.
NOW, UH, WE'VE GOT A PACKAGE OF 10 HOUSES THAT ARE OUT FOR BID.
NOW WE PLAN ON RECEIVING BIDS ON OCTOBER 16TH, UH, TO HAVE THOSE RECOMMENDATION FOR AWARD READY IN TIME FOR YOUR OCTOBER.
I THINK IT WOULD BE 24TH BOARD MEETING.
WE HAVE 10, 10 ADDITIONAL UNITS THAT HAVE BEEN SENT TO, UH, THE DIVISION OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, UH, FOR REVIEW.
UH, AND THEY'RE THOSE 10 LISTED.
UM, WE EXPECT THAT WE WILL GET THOSE BACK WITH APPROVAL AT LEAST BY THE SECOND WEEK IN OCTOBER.
SO WE CAN HAVE THAT ANOTHER PACKAGE READY TO GO OUT FOR VIA DRIVE BY AFTER WE GET THE FIRST PACKAGE IN, UM, ON OCTOBER 16TH IN A TOTAL THAT 30 FOUNDATION DESIGNS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED, I EXPECT TO GET NEXT 10.
NEXT SET OF 10 IS EXPECTING TO COME TO ME THIS WEEK.
UH, AND AS SOON AS I GET THOSE, WE'LL SEND THOSE OFF TO RALEIGH FOR REVIEW ALSO AT YOUR PLACE.
AND JUST FOR YOUR LATER READING, THERE ARE FOUR DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES ON PRIORITY PRIORITIZING UNITS.
UH, AND I GIVE YOU THAT JUST FOR YOUR, JUST FOR YOUR VIEWING.
UM, AND AT A LATER DATE OR AT A LATER MEETING, I'LL BE GLAD TO TRY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
THIS ALTERNATIVE ONE IS ONE THAT I HAD MENTIONED AT THE WORKSHOP MEETING AND ALTERNATIVE FOUR IS THE LAST DIRECTION WE'VE GOTTEN FROM THE BOARD, WHICH WAS BASICALLY LOWEST TO HIGHEST.
SO YOU CAN LOOK AT THIS AT YOUR LEISURE AND NOW BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
LET ME ASK YOU, I WAS WATCHING A CHANNEL ON TELEVISION.
I BELIEVE IT WAS NBC CHANNEL SIX ON THE CABLE OR SLAMMING ON THE RABBIT EARS OR WHATEVER.
AND THEY SAID THAT THE PROMISE HAD BEEN TO BEGIN DOING SOMETHING IN THAT ERA TODAY, BUT NOTHING HAPPENED.
AND THEY GOT UP TO SOME FELLOW NAMED MIKE BARNETT, OH, YOU ARE MIKE.
AND HE HAD SAID THAT THE CONTRACTS WERE SIGNED LAST NIGHT, THAT'S WRONG.
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AND THAT THE CONTRACTOR SAID THEY WERE AFRAID, OR DIDN'T WANT TO GO IN THERE TODAY BECAUSE THEY WANT TO SEE WHAT THESE STORMS ARE GOING TO DO.AND THEN I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT WAS SAID AFTER THAT.
WHAT WAS THAT? AFTER THAT? I DIDN'T MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN I SPOKE WITH HIM LAST NIGHT WAS THAT THEY WERE GOING TO MOVE THEIR EQUIPMENT IN TODAY, UM, AND START GETTING THEIR ELECTRICAL ON HOOKED IN THEIR UTILITIES ON HOOKED AND GETTING THEIR PERMITS IN PROCEEDING THIS WEEK.
AND THIS KINDA NEWS TO ME THAT THEY WEREN'T GONNA PUT THE HOUSES UP, EVEN THOUGH IF THERE IS A STORM OUT THERE, WHICH I HADN'T SEEN THE NEWS LATELY, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A GOOD IDEA, BUT I MEAN, THEY ARE GOING TO PROCEED.
THEIR CONTRACT, THEIR CONTRACTS HAVE BEEN SIGNED.
THEIR CONTRACT PERIOD HAS STARTED.
THE HOUSES HAVE BEEN VACATED AS OF SUNDAY.
UM, FOLKS WERE REAL EXCITED TO GET OUT AND GET THOSE TWO UNDERWAY.
WELL, I'M SURE THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE VERY FISCAL YES.
NOW, THE NEXT THING WE HAVE IS TO CONTINUE TO PUBLIC HEARING ADOPTING ORDERS TO MEN, SECTION 15 DASH FIVE, THE LAND USE ORDINANCE TO FURTHER DEFINE AUTOMOBILE GRAVEYARD, YACHT, MOTOR VEHICLE, AND SCRAP METAL SALVAGE.
ON FIRST OFF, WE WON'T BE ADOPTING AN ORDINANCE TONIGHT BECAUSE IT'S NOT TOTALLY PREPARED YET LEGALLY FOR US TO ACTUALLY PASS IT.
BUT WE DO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING CONTINUATION TONIGHT.
MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT LAST TIME AND ALL DAY, THE URINE GARAGE OWNERS AND SO FORTH INVOLVED, WE'RE GOING TO SIT DOWN WITH THE PLANET INSPECTIONS AND SEE IF THEY COULDN'T IRON EVERYTHING OUT.
AM I UNDERSTAND THE NIGHT IS Y'ALL BASICALLY IRONED EVERYTHING OUT EXCEPT MAYBE ONE ISSUE OR MAYBE IT IS ONE I DON'T KNOW ABOUT.
SO UNDER THE PUBLIC HEARING, HOW MANY OF YOU ALL WANT TO COME FORTH AS FINE? IF YOU FEEL LIKE THERE'S ONE PERSON THAT IT KIND OF SUMS IT UP FOR YOU, THAT INVASION COME FORTH OR WHATEVER, BUT HERE'S YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN AND LET US KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT YOU DON'T LIKE IF THERE'S STILL SOMETHING LEFT ON IT THAT YOU DON'T SENSE.
THE ORDINANCE IS NOT TOTALLY WRITTEN YET.
SO IF YOU WOULD COME FORWARD TO THE MICROPHONE, STATE YOUR NAME AND, AND YOUR GARAGE, IF YOU WANT IT AND TELL US WHAT, WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE US HERE.
YOU MIGHT WANT MIKE, MIKE COULD GIVE YOU A BREAKDOWN.
ALL RIGHT, MIKE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME FORTH AND SEE WHAT, OKAY.
AS, AS MR. MAYOR, AS YOU MENTIONED, UH, STAFF DID SIT, UH, HAD A MEETING WITH THE GARAGE OWNERS, UM, AND, AND, AND THOSE THAT HAVE, UH, SALVAGE MATERIALS, UH, ADJUSTMENTS WERE MADE TO THE TIMEFRAMES TO REFLECT SOME OF THE, UH, REALITIES THAT, UH, THE FOLKS IN THE, IN THE BUSINESS, UH, HAVE TO DEAL WITH SUCH AS, UH, LEGAL IMPOUNDMENTS OF VEHICLES.
UH, WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN AN OWNER SAYS, GO FIX IT? AND THEN DOESN'T SHOW UP FOR ANOTHER 30 DAYS.
SOME OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, UH, THE, THE TIMEFRAMES WERE ADJUSTED AND, UH, UH, THE DOCUMENT TWEAKED, I THINK, TO MAKE IT MORE WORKABLE.
UH, ONE, IT, UH, IT'S MORE REALISTIC, I THINK, AND ALSO KEEPS US FROM RUNNING OURSELVES BACK AND FORTH, MAKING INSPECTIONS WHEN, UH, THE FOLKS IN THE INDUSTRY REALLY CAN'T TURN IT AROUND ANY QUICKER ANYWAY.
AND FOR THOSE, UH, THAT ARE PUT IN LONGER TERM IMPOUNDMENTS, THERE WAS A PROVISION FOR AN OPAQUE SCREEN FOR THOSE THAT ARE ON SITE FOR LONGER DUE TO LEGAL REASONS, UH, SO THAT THEY'RE NOT VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
SO I THINK STAFF FELT COMFORTABLE WITH, AND I THINK BY AND LARGE, THE, UH, THE FOLKS IN THE INDUSTRY, UH, FELT COMFORTABLE THAT IT WENT FURTHER TO HELP THEM WORK WITHIN WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO DAY IN AND DAY OUT.
THE, THE POINT YOU HAVE MENTIONED THAT YOU THOUGHT IT MIGHT'VE BEEN ONE ISSUE THAT THEY WASN'T CLEAR ON IS THAT, UH, I WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT.
UM, BUT IF THERE IS ONE, UH, WE COULD CERTAINLY TAKE IT INTO CONSIDERATION SINCE, AS THE MAYOR SAID, IT HASN'T BEEN FINALIZED, BUT I WAS NOT TOLD OF THERE BEING A REMAINING ISSUE.
I THOUGHT THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT THE LICENSE ON THE VEHICLE HAD BEEN CHECKED OUT AND THERE WAS DISAGREEMENT WHETHER THE VEHICLE SITTING THERE HAD STATE LICENSE OR NOT ON IT.
THAT'S JUST WHAT I HAD HEARD THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE.
THAT WAS A, UM, UH, A POINT THAT STAFF AND THE REPRESENTATIVES, UH, FROM THE GARAGE INDUSTRY, UH, DISAGREED ON, UM, STAFF IS STILL
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RECOMMENDING THAT THAT BE REQUIRED.UH, BUT THERE WAS DISAGREEMENT IN OPPOSITION TO THAT POINT BY THE INDUSTRY.
IS THAT THE ONLY ONE THAT YOU WERE AWARE OF? THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I WAS AWARE OF.
AND THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME BECAUSE I HAD FORGOT ABOUT THEM.
CAN I ASK YOU WHAT THE OPPOSITION ON THE PART OF THE DEPARTMENT IS? WELL, WE THOUGHT THAT, UM, IT WOULD HELP TO MOVE THE PROCESS ALONG AND WOULD HELP TO SHOW THAT SOMEONE HAD AN INVESTMENT IN THE VEHICLE BY HAVING IT PROPERLY LICENSED, UH, WHILE IT'S THERE.
IT'S, UH, UH, I THINK IT JUST, THE THINKING WAS, UH, THEY WILL BE MORE FOLLOW THROUGH AND, UH, PEOPLE BE A BIT MORE SERIOUS ABOUT EITHER MAKING THE REPAIRS OR SELLING IT TO SOMEONE ELSE THAT'S GOING TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT.
BUT WHAT WAS THAT COMING BACK ON THAT, UH, THAT I DON'T KNOW, I WASN'T INVOLVED IN THAT PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
SOMEONE LIED TO FROM THE OWNERS, LIKE TO SHARE THAT FEELING ON THAT ISSUE, IF YOU ARE OPPOSED TO THAT PART OF IT WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW WHY.
AND JUST FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES, MY ASSUMPTION IS IT'S AN EXPENSE ISSUE, BUT I DON'T KNOW NOBODY ELSE WILL COMMENT ON THIS THING.
SO SEE IT ADVERTISED AGAIN, AND YES, IF WE DON'T HEAR ANY FURTHER, NO OBJECTIONS TO THE VIOLENT WAY, THE THING IS PUT TOGETHER AND WRITTEN WILL MORE THAN LIKELY PASS IT NEXT TIME.
MIKE, WOULD IT BE PRACTICAL TO MAKE COPIES AVAILABLE TO THE GENTLEMEN WHO HAVE AN INTEREST IN THIS ITEM ONCE THE FINAL FORM IS PREPARED SO THAT THEY WILL KNOW IN ADVANCE OF THE HEARING EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS.
UH, THAT'S THAT'S BEEN OUR INTENTION AND COMMITMENT TO THEM THAT WE WOULD GET THAT TO THEM.
THAT'S THE REASON YOU'RE NOT ACTING ON IT TONIGHT BECAUSE IT WASN'T READY IN TIME FOR THEM TO HAVE A LOOK AT IT PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
WELL, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE AMPLE TIME TO READ IT AND CONTACT BOARD MEMBERS BACK.
IF THEY DISAGREE WITH ANY YES OR THEY'LL, THEY'LL GET IT.
AT LEAST AT THE TIME THE BOARD GETS THEIR PACKETS, IF NOT A FEW DAYS BEFORE.
SO DO WE NEED TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING ALIVE UNTIL WE ACT ACCURATE, RECEIVE THE DOCUMENTS.
WE NEED TO CLOSE THOSE CONTAINERS MOVE.
WE CONTINUE TO PUBLIC HERE UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, IF NOT, I HAVE TO SAY, I SUPPOSE NOW HE FOLLOWS ONE LEAD NOW MORE THAN HAPPY TO, IF YOU WANT TO SET UP A STRUGGLE FLEET ARREST BY YOU'RE MORE THAN HALF.
ITEM NUMBER SIX, PROBABLY EARRINGS FOR PETITIONS OF ANNEXATION FOR A DERBY PARK, SECTION FOUR 17.2, ONE ACRE TRACK HOME BY THE CRAIG AND BROTHERS PARTNERSHIP, B DARBY PARK, SECTION 46.18 ACRE TRACK AND BY WEATHERSTONE PARK APARTMENTS, LLC, AND SEE DERBY PARK, SECTION 44.4 ACRE TRACT OWNED BY A NEIGHBOR, AN OLDER ADULT HOUSING INCORPORATION.
SO THAT'LL BE HERE IF ANYBODY'S HERE IN OPPOSITION TO THAT, RAISE YOUR HAND ABOUT HIS EAR IN OPPOSITION TO THAT.
SO I ASSUME, WELL, WE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ALL OF THESE, UH, ANNEXATION REQUESTS, ALL THREE I'LL SPEC, FURTHER DISCUSSION.
IF NOT, I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THAT.
UH, ALL THIS, UH, ANNEXATION IS IN MY WARD.
AND IF YOU TAKE A DRIVE OUT THERE, YOU'LL SEE AN AWFUL LOT OF CONSTRUCTION GOING ON OUT THERE.
AND IT'S A, UH, UH, UH, FROM WHAT I CAN TELL, IT'S A VERY POSITIVE DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE.
ALL THREE OF THE PLACES WE'LL TAKE A RIDE OUT THERE AND SEE WHAT YOU'RE BUILDING OUT THERE IN THE BACK OF THE CURRENT, UH, DERBY CORNER HOUSES, BIG BARN, HOUSES, HOUSES, APARTMENTS, AND THERE'S A THREE STORY APARTMENT BUILDING OUT THERE THAT IS, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE 75% FINISHED.
AND, UH, THEY'RE BUILDING A SINGLE FAMILY HOMES DOWN, UH, ELIZABETH AVENUE.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF BUILDING GOING ON IN THAT AREA.
AND IT'S A LOT OF GROWTH FOR THE FOURTH WALL.
ALL IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND SAY RIGHT HERE, I DECLARE OVER HERE.
I MOVED TO A DOCTOR FIRST ORDINANCE ON DERBY POPS, SECTION FIRST ORDINANCE, A, B, AND C.
YOU GOT TO DO THEM INDIVIDUALLY.
THIS IS SEPARATE ORDINANCES, RIGHT HALL OVER HERE AT SAY,
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UM, FURTHER DISCUSSION, IF NOT CALL ROLE-PLAY.HOW ABOUT ITEM B? I PROPOSE THAT WE ADOPT THE ITEM B DERBY BARKS THAT CAN FIND OKAY.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION AND THAT NOT COLD ROLL AGAIN, PLEASE.
LET'S PROCEED ITEMS. SEE THE OTHER 4.4 ACRE TRACK PROPOSED THAT WOULD BE ADOPTED ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OF THAT KNOCKED ON THE ROAD PLEASE.
THE NEXT LANE WE HAVE IS ITEM SEVEN HAS TO BE MOVED OUT OF THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR SEPARATE CONSIDERATION.
SO I'LL READ IT TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION, APPROVING THE CONTRACT WITH THE DIVISION OF COASTAL MANAGEMENT FOR CAMEL WATERFRONT RATE OF GRANT, WHICH HAS A PEDESTRIAN PROMINENT AROUND CONVENTION CENTER.
I THINK HE'S GOING TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS ON THAT.
I'M GOING TO, UH, TRY OUR OVERHEAD DEVICE HERE.
WILBUR AND ORVILLE WRIGHT HAD SOME PROBLEMS TOO.
I DIDN'T HAVE, SO THIS IS JUST A TELEVISION.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE WATCHING.
UM, LET ME JUST SHOW YOU AS FAR AS THE AREA OF THE CONTINENT.
WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS EVENING IS A RESOLUTION APPROVING A CONTRACT BETWEEN THE CITY OF NEW BERN AND THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENT AND NATURAL RESOURCES DIVISION OF CAM, UH, FOR THE PROVISION OF A WATERFRONT PROMENADE ALONG THE CONVENTION CENTER.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE CENTER OF THE DRAWING YOU HAVE THERE, YOU'LL SEE A RADISH LINE WITH GREEN DOTS ALONG IT.
THAT IS THE SECTION OF SIDEWALK THAT IS BEING FUNDED.
THE TOTAL COST OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS IS ESTIMATED AT 181,000.
THE CAMEL GRANT IS IN THE AMOUNT OF A HUNDRED MAIN, EXCUSE ME, A 50,000 LOCAL CASH MATCH OF 94,000.
A PORTION OF THAT COMING FROM THE CITY AND A PORTION COMING FROM THE COUNTY PORTION.
UH, MR. HARTMAN, ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT AMOUNT? UH, 75, 70 5,000 AND THE CAT.
SO THEN THE BALANCE OF THAT WOULD BE FROM THE CITY ALONG WITH THE IN KIND MATCH, WHICH I'M ASSUMING IS COMING FROM THE CITY.
DANNY, IS THAT OKAY FOR, FOR A TOTAL OF 181,000 ON THAT IT'S ABOUT 820 LINEAR FEET.
THE IMPROVEMENTS THEMSELVES, THE CURRENT CONDITIONS THAT YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH ON THE TOP, UH, WILL BE REPLACED BY A DESIGN, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SEE AT UNION POINT WITH EXPOSED, AGGREGATE, BRICKING, LIGHTING, BENCHING BENCHES, AND TRASH RECEPTACLES.
SO THAT'S THE PROPOSED PROJECT, THE RESOLUTION, BEFORE YOU WOULD WANT TO PROVE THE CONTRACT AND THEN AUTHORIZE THE MAYOR AND THE CLERK TO EXECUTE THE CONTRACT
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ON BEHALF OF THE CITY.UH, ANY QUESTIONS, UH THAT'S OKAY.
UH, ANTICIPATE, UH, ON OR AFTER OCTOBER THE FIRST, THERE WAS A TITLE OPINION THAT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY CAMMA, UH, NEED TO CHECK AND SEE IF WE'VE GOTTEN APPROVAL ON THAT.
BUT OTHERWISE WE GET THE DOCUMENT SIGNED HERE AND WE SHOULD BE OKAY FOR THAT OWNER ABOUT OCTOBER 1ST.
WHAT THE PERCENTAGE WOULD THAT GIVE US A, THAT TOTAL WALK AWAY ALL THE WAY AROUND FROM ONE END TO THE HELL, BUT IT WAS FORESEEN TO BE DONE.
HOW MUCH WOULD A WEEK BE FINISHED THEN AT THAT POINT? HOW MANY PERCENT ROUGHLY, OH GOODNESS.
WE, WE HAVE ABOUT, UH, 1,150 FEET, I BELIEVE IN UNION POINT ABOUT 820 FEET NEAR.
SO THEY GET YOU UP CLOSE TO 2000 AND THEN THE COUNCIL BLUFF WAS THAT CLOSE TO 700, ABOUT 700.
THAT'S ABOUT, UH, THAT'S WELL, OVER A HALF OF MILE OF THE NEW IMPROVEMENTS, UH, AND THAT DOESN'T COUNT, UH, THE OTHER, UH, AREA IN FRONT OF THE SHERIFF AND AN OWNER ROUND TO THE FARMER'S MARKET, UH, WITH THIS CAMEL WILL HAVE GRANTED TO THE CITY ABOUT 300,000 AND OUR WATERFRONT IMPROVEMENTS WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO IMPROVE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO THE WATER.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS WATERFRONT ACCESS, UH, THERE PROBABLY TWO, THREE PARCELS FROM THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ALL THE WAY AROUND, UH, TO, UH, LAWSON CREEK AREA, UH, THAT DO NOT HAVE EITHER CURRENT RIGHT OF WAYS OR EASEMENTS FOR, UH, PUBLIC ACCESS.
UH, THE, THE DREAM, I THINK I SAW SOME INITIAL DOCUMENTS BACK IN THE MID SEVENTIES ABOUT THAT WATERFRONT PROMENADE.
IT'S COMING CLOSER, UH, EVERY YEAR.
AND IT'LL BE THERE ONE DAY SOON.
SO IF SOMEBODY IS TIRED AND WALKING ON THAT TREADMILL, STARING AT THE WALL, THEY WILL BE SOME BETTER SAME.
YES, IT'S, IT'S VERY, IT'S VERY GOOD NOW TO BE EXCELLENT IN THE FUTURE.
WELL, WHAT DO WE KNOW AT THIS POINT ABOUT THE, UH, THE OLD, THE APPROACH TO THE OLD NEUSE RIVER BRIDGE? WOULD WE HAVE ANY INFORMATIONAL, HOW AM I GOING TO PROCEED WITH THAT? THE STATE IS RETAINING THEIR RIGHT OF WAY THEIR EYE.
ARE THERE ANY PLANS AT THIS TIME? I DON'T REMEMBER ANY PARTICULARS ON THIS.
UH, I'VE JUST, WE'VE DISCUSSED IT WITH THE SHRINER'S BOARD AND THEY WERE A LITTLE MORE ANXIOUS TO MAKE IT INTO, UH, TO ALLOW MORE PARKING THERE THEN, UH, WHAT OUR VISIONS FOR THE SITE WERE.
SO IT'S JUST KIND OF SITTING IN LIMBO AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
WELL, WE WORKED SO HARD TO GET THE PARKING OFF THE RIVER AT UNION POINT, THRILLED TO BE ASHAMED OF, WE PUT PARKING BACK ON THE WATER AT THE OTHER END.
WELL, ANYWAY, WE'LL WORK ON IT WHEN THE TIME COMES, I GUESS.
DO I HEAR A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION? ALL RIGHT.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, NOT CALL ROLL, PLEASE.
NEXT THING WE HAVE IS A CONSENT AGENDA.
PATTY IS JUST POOLED ITEM 11, AND WE HAVE, UH, 8, 9, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15 AND 16.
UM, THEN I ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT NUMBER 11, FOUR.
WE, UH, I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S BEING PULLED, BUT WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ONE TIME BEFORE ABOUT, UH, THE COUNTY PARTICIPATE IN THIS.
I WANT IF ANYTHING'S BEEN, BEEN DONE ON THAT OR WHETHER THAT SHOULD BE PURSUED AFTER WE GOT A WHOLE LIST OF NEXT WEEK.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT I THINK THAT WHEN THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS MADE TO THE BOARD, I GUESS IT'S PROBABLY BEEN A YEAR AGO NOW THAT THE PROPOSAL WAS THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE ABOUT A $90,000 COST AND THAT THEY WERE ASKING FOR 60,000 FROM US AND THEY WERE GOING TO COME UP WITH 30.
AND I BELIEVE THE BOARD HAD INDICATED AT THAT TIME THAT THEY THOUGHT THAT THE COUNTY SHOULD BE APPROACHED FOR 30.
AND I THINK THAT AT THAT MEETING, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THEY WERE GOING TO LEAVE IT TO THIS BOARD TO MAKE THAT APPROACH.
AND I BELIEVE THIS BOARD INDICATED THAT THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THAT.
UH, I BELIEVE THAT'S MY RECOLLECTION OF THAT MEETING ANYWAY.
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AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE'VE MADE NO APPROACH TO THEM DEMONIC.WE INTEND TO, YEAH, WE DEFINITELY NEED TO MAKE THAT.
THEY DID COME OUT TO BE LESS THAN NINE.
SO THAT MEANS THAT WHAT WE WOULD ASK YOU TO COUNTY, THEN WHEN IT WOULD BE AGREEABLE, IT WOULD BE INCREMENTALLY LAST.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF IT WAS MINE AND BEFORE WE WOULD WANT TO DO 16, MAY 30 AND THEY WERE GOING TO DO A THIRD, IS THAT WHAT YOU EXPECTED? I DON'T MIND.
THEY WERE GOING TO RAISE A THIRD FROM PRIVATE SOURCES THROUGH A SWISS BEAR.
AND SO WE WERE COMING IN FOR THE OTHER TWO THIRDS.
AND I THINK THE STATEMENT WAS MADE THERE THAT THIS IS GOING TO BENEFIT BOTH PARTIES, THE CITY AND THE COUNTY IN PARTICULAR.
AND SO THEY SHOULD SHARE IN IT.
SO WHATEVER THE BALANCE WAS, I THINK THE BOARD KIND OF HAD THAT MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT THE BOARD HAD IN MIND A 50, 50 SPLIT OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER.
SO HOW MUCH SHOULD WE ASK THE COUNTY FOR $1? I DON'T MIND.
WELL, I GUESS I'VE GOT MY WORK CUT OUT.
SAY THEY TAKE MY MONEY AND THEN THEY GIVE ME THE HARD WORK.
WELL, I'M ON A REASONABLE THOUGH.
OF COURSE, I KNOW THEY DON'T WATCH THIS.
SO THEY KNOW THAT IT, IT REALLY SHOULDN'T BE HALF OF HALF OF WHAT WE, UH, APART LIKE IT WAS BEFORE.
I THINK WE, I THINK WE JUST ASK THEM FOR BEST THING.
THEY PROBABLY JUST ASK THEM, JUST SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE WITH US ON THE REMAINDER OF WHATEVER LETTER PLEASE.
HEY, THEY'RE NOT WATCHING NOW CAUSE IT'S NOT A
I'D ALSO LIKE TO THROW A FEW KIDDOS TO THE COUNTY IN MOST OF OUR PROJECTS THAT WE'VE HAD DOWN HERE, ESPECIALLY IN RECENT YEARS, THEY HAVE BEEN VERY WILLING TO PARTICIPATE WITH ASSISTANCE.
WALKWAY IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT.
AND IN FACT, WE ARE PIGGYBACKING OR COMING IN ON THEIR CONTRACT FOR THE CONVENTION CENTER, THEIR CONTRACTOR THERE IS GOING TO DO THAT WORK.
AND WE GOT CONSIDERABLE SAVINGS OUT OF THAT AS A RESULT.
AND SO, UM, THEY ARE, THEY HAVE BEEN VERY COOPERATIVE AND IT HELPED US, UH, UH, VERY MUCH IN FUNDING OF A LOT OF OUR PROJECTS THAT WE'VE GOT GOING ON DOWN HERE.
WE DON'T WANT THEM TO, WE DON'T WANT THEM TO STOP, BUT THEY HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB, ACTUALLY.
WHEN I WENT IN BEFORE, WHEN WE DID THE STUDY AT, UH, I THINK IT WAS 62% OF THE PEOPLE THAT YOU DO NOT REMEMBER, UH, CITIZENS OF DUBIN, WHICH WAS OKAY, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY DID COME UP WITH $25,000 TO HELP AUTOMATE SOME OTHER FACTS.
THEY'RE WORKING GOOD WITH WHERE TO BE TAKEN UP.
AND MR. MAYOR, I HAVE ONE QUESTION DANNY, ON ITEM EIGHT.
IS THAT AN, IS THAT AN ADDITIONAL VEHICLE, A NUMBER EIGHT OR IS THAT A REPLACEMENT? OKAY.
WELL, I FIGURED YOU WOULD KNOW ABOUT IT, BETTER SERVICE.
THAT'S PART OF THAT NEW CREW THAT WE'RE PUTTING ON FROM ANY ELOQUENT, MARYLAND, MOSTLY WITHOUT THE CONSENT AGENDA, ITEM 11, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, NOT CALL THE ROLL.
NEXT LANE WE HAD WAS APPOINTMENTS.
I DON'T HAVE ANY APPOINTMENTS TONIGHT, SIR, BUT I'M LOOKING FOR CANDIDATES TO FILL THE POSITIONS.
I HAVE ONE VACANCY ON THE ELECTRIC SERVICE BOARD AND I HAVE ONE VACANCY ON THE POLICE, CIVIL SERVICE BOARD.
ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO SERVE IN THESE CAPACITIES, PLEASE GIVE ME A CALL 5 1 4 2 5 6, 4.
I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE YOUR NAME AND YOUR CREDENTIALS.
NEXT THING WE HAVE IS MISCELLANEOUS MR. FREE.
UM, MR. MAYOR, UH, AS YOU RECALL, ABOUT A MONTH AGO, WE SENT TO OUR TWO LOCAL CONGRESSIONAL MEMBERS LETTERS ASKING IF THEY WOULD JOIN THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE CAUCUS, BECAUSE THE PROBLEMS WERE FORESEEING IN THE FUTURE WITH A, AN ADEQUATE SUPPLY OF DRINKING WATER.
AND WITH THE STORMWATER RUNOFF PROBLEMS ARE GOING TO BE INCREASING WITHOUT QUESTIONS.
UH, THE FEDS ARE CUT BACK, CUT BACK A LOT ON THE AVAILABLE GRANTS AND LOANS.
AND WE HAVE RECEIVED A LETTER BACK FROM ONE OF OUR CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATES, UH, WALTER JONES
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SAYING THAT AFTER READING YOUR LETTER AND EVALUATING THE SITUATION, I HAVE AGREED TO JOIN THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE CAUCUS.THE STAKES ARE TOO HIGH FOR CONGRESS TO SIT BACK AND NOT TAKE NOTICE BY TAKING ACTION.
CONGRESS WILL COMMIT ITSELF TO RESTORING THE NATION'S WATER INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND I ANTICIPATE RECEIVING THAT WE WILL RECEIVE A LETTER FROM OUR OTHER CONGRESSIONAL, UH, MEMBER CONGRESS WOMAN.
AND IT'S NICE TO KNOW THAT THEY ARE PAYING A LITTLE ATTENTION TO WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR DOWN HERE.
AND THEY WILL BE MORE AWARE OF THE PROBLEMS IN THE FUTURE AND PERHAPS HELP US RESTORE SOME OF THE GRANT AND LOW COST LOAN FUNDS WE'RE GOING TO NEED IN THE FUTURE.
LIKE YOU SAY THAT THEY READ THE STUFF AND REACTS, AND A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY MAKE PHONE CALLS OR WRITE LETTERS OR WHATEVER, NOTHING HAPPENS, BUT IT DOES HAPPEN.
OH, INSTALL MISCELLANEOUS DOWN.
UM, MR. MAYOR, YOU HAVE SOMEONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO'S CALLING FOR YOU.
I JUST SAY I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.
I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO REVISIT OUR POLICY ON THESE POLITICAL SIDES ON THE TELEPHONE POLES, UM, THEY'RE STARTING TO CROP UP AND, UH, THEY'RE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
SOME OF MY CONSTITUENTS ARE COMPLAINING AND I'D RATHER THAT THE CITY DISCOURAGE PUTTING THESE POLITICAL SIGNS ON THE POLLS BECAUSE IT REALLY LOOKS TACKY, PARTICULARLY WHEN THEY'RE ABOUT TOY STARTS RANTING AND THEY GET INTO A STATE OF JUST AESTHETICALLY LOOKING BAD.
AND I WOULD RATHER ENCOURAGE THESE CANDIDATES TO HAVE THEIR ASSIGNED PLACE, LIKE CERTAIN RIGHTS OF WAYS THAT DON'T AFFECT ANYBODY'S SAFETY THAN TO ADJUST SPRING ALL OVER DOWNTOWN, ALL OVER ON FIRST STREET.
YOU KNOW, WHEN I, WHEN I WAS A CANDIDATE, I NEVER PUT MY SIGNS ON TELEPHONE POLES.
I'VE TRIED TO PUT THEM ON A LITTLE STAKE DRIVE IN THE GROUND, BUT NOT AS STARTING IS JUST STARTING NOW.
AND, UH, I GOT A FEELING IT'S GOING TO BALLOON WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.
IF WE ACQUIESCED TO, UH, HAVING THESE SIGNS, UH, PLACED ON THE TELEPHONE POLE BY TELEPHONE POLE, BUT THE ELECTRICAL POLE BY NOT DOING ANYTHING.
AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE THEM TORN DOWN AND JUST TELL THE CANDIDATES, DON'T PUT THEM ON THE POLLS.
IT'S GOING TO LITTER THE, UH, THE, UH, THE ELECTRICAL POLES PRETTY SOON.
I JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT HAPPEN.
AND WHAT ABOUT YOUR SON? GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE ONE THING WE DID DISCUSS LAST TIME, I DON'T THINK WE DID ANYTHING ABOUT IS WE AT LEAST SHOULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT GIVING PEOPLE X AMOUNT OF TIME.
I HAVE TWO LEGENDS OVER IT AND GET THE THINGS OUT OF HERE.
AND IF THEY DON'T GET THEM OUT, I HAVE SOME REMEDY WHERE WE TAKE THEM DOWN AND EITHER MIKE AND PUT UP MONEY ON THE FRONT END OR DO SOMETHING, SAVING FOR THINGS ARE TAKEN DOWN PROPERTY.
AND THE OTHER COMMENT WOULD BE THAT, THAT, UH, SINCE THE ELECTION CYCLE HAS ALREADY STARTED, WOULD IT BE FAIR TO GO AND MAKE THE PEOPLE TEAR UP? YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF MONEY TO PUT IN THIS THING.
AND ESPECIALLY IF THEY USED THAT MONEY, WHATEVER, AND IN TO GET IN THERE AND OUT OF GOD, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE AN UNDUE HARDSHIP, OBSESSED.
THE THINGS ALREADY STARTED, BUT SEE THAT THE THING HERE IS ILLEGAL FROM THE BEGINNING, I BELIEVE DON'T, WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE AGAINST THAT.
IT'S ILLEGAL FROM THE BEGINNING.
AND WHEN YOU'RE RUNNING FOR OFFICE, I MEAN, YOU HAVE A DUTY TO FAMILIARIZE YOURSELF WITH CERTAIN LAWS INVOLVING ELECTIONS.
AND I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO START.
AND I DON'T WANT US TO KNOW TO TURN A BLIND EYE.
AND THEN ONE CANDIDATE HERE COMES ANOTHER, IT LOOKS BAD IF YOU'RE NOT AROUND IT, IT DOESN'T AFFECT YOU.
BUT WHEN YOU HAVE TO DRIVE BY EVERY DAY TO SEE THEM, SEE, SEE WHEN THEY COME APART, IT'S JUST, IT'S GOING TO MUSHROOM.
AND I THINK THE BEST THING TO DO IS NIP IT IN THE BUD NOW, BEFORE IT STARTS AND, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGE TO PUT THEM, LET'S SAY ON A HIGHWAY OR CERTAIN RIGHTS OF WAYS, THEY CAN ALL BE GROUPED IN TOGETHER, BUT NOT HAVING JUST EVERY WAY YOU LOOK DIFFERENT SIDE THAT YOU'RE NOT IN ANY TYPE OF ORDER.
I MUST BE FAILING ARREST
I THINK WE PROBABLY SHOULD JUST A REC
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STAFF TO SEND A LETTER ALONG WITH A COPY OF THE ORDINANCE TO THOSE THAT ARE RUN EVOLVES.AND I THINK THAT MIGHT TAKE CARE OF ITSELF.
IT'S TOO MANY PEOPLE RUNNING THOUGH.
THAT WAY EVERYBODY BEING FORMED RIGHT HERE, WON'T BE AFFORDED.
AND THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS AND THAT BEAR, I GET OUT OF THE BOARD ELECTION AND SEND EVERYBODY THAT'S RUNNING THE COPIED ORDERS.
ALL WE GOING TO TAKE DOWN THE EXISTING SIDES AND JUST HOLD THEM FOR THE FOLKS OF WHAT? I MEAN, IF IT'S, IF I DON'T WANT TO SEE THEM STRUNG UP ALL OVER MY NEIGHBORS.
I WOULD THINK THAT ALONG WITH THAT LETTER, ROB BETTER, CAUSE SHE'D BE A SUGGESTION MADE THAT, REMOVE THEM BLIND WITH THE ORDINANCE, COMPILE IT ALL MOVED.
I HAVE TWO MISCELLANEOUS AND THEY'RE NOT, MY MISCELLANEOUS IS, UH, I HAVE A MISCELLANEOUS COVENANT FROM MR. BILL NORMAN AND MS. SHE HAD HER HAND UP IN MEXICO.
MS. HARVEY, I'LL LET YOU, YOU COME AND PREACH.
HE HAD A STATEMENT BEFORE MR. NORMAL.
WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? THAT WAS THE PROVISION THAT WAS DISCUSSED BY THE BOARD.
AND I BELIEVE IT'S, UH, LAST WORK SESSION, UH, DEALING WITH THE ISSUE OF MINIMUM HOUSING CODE COMPLIANCE AND GIVING, UH, THE OWNERS A SPECIFIC TIME IN WHICH TO MAKE REPAIRS.
UH, AS YOU'RE AWARE, WE'VE HAD, UH, SITUATIONS WHERE EXTENSIONS HAVE BEEN REQUESTED AND GRANTED IN THE PAST, WE HAD A, A CASH BOND OR BOND, UH, PROCEDURE THAT WE WERE USING, UH, ALSO, UH, IN, IN THE LAST YEAR AND THE BOARD AFTER MUCH CONSIDERATION DISCUSSION, UH, DECIDED ON, UH, SOME CHANGES TO CHAPTER 38, WHICH WOULD PROVIDE AN AMPLE AMOUNT OF TIME TO ENSURE TO THE BOARD THAT THE OWNER HAD BEEN GIVEN A FAIR SHAKE.
UH, PLUS THERE WERE INSTRUCTIONS TO STAFF AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT MADE IT INTO THE ORDINANCE ITSELF, UH, ABOUT PERIODIC INSPECTIONS DURING THAT TIME PERIOD, SO THAT THE FILE HAS DOCUMENTED THAT, UH, THEY WERE VERY MUCH AWARE AND HAD, UH, AMPLE TIME TO DO IT.
AND IN OTHER WORDS, THAT IDEA WAS IF IT, THE THING GOT, AS FAR AS THIS BOARD, THEN WHAT THIS BOARD WOULD DO IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT AMPLE TIME, WHICH I THINK WAS SIX MONTHS, IF WE DECIDED YEAR, YEAR, OR WHATEVER, WE DECIDED THAT NIGHT, THAT 365 DAYS, WHICH WAS A GRACIOUS PLAN THAT IF IT HAD GONE 365 DAYS AND THAT THE WORK HAD NOT BEEN PERFORMED AND THAT INSPECTION DEPARTMENT HAD DOCUMENTED THAT THEY NOTICED AS ADMIN SENSE ON AND SO FORTH.
AND ALL WE WOULD DO IS JUST LOOK AT THE FACT THAT ALL OF THAT HAD TAKEN PLACE.
AND THAT'S THE END OF THE STORY.
IT WOULDN'T BE A MATTER OF REVISITING THE THING, REHASHING THE THING, RE-EXAMINING THE THING AND SO FORTH.
AND SO ON, OUR JOB WOULD JUST BE TO MAKE SURE THAT TO PROCEED THE CHECK LIST HAD BEEN CHECKED.
AND THAT WAS THAT THAT'S CORRECT.
AND WHAT HAD HAPPENED, WHAT HAD HAPPENED ALSO WAS THAT WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THE CLEAN UP AND MOST OF IT WAS BASICALLY DUFFY FIELD, AND FIRST, SECOND, THIRD AVENUE WE HAVE PUT INTO PLACE.
UM, AT THAT TIME WE THOUGHT IT WOULD WORK, BUT IT REALLY PUT A BURDEN ON SOME OF THE LAND OWNERS TO DO SOMETHING WITH THEIR PROPERTY.
SO INSTEAD OF GIVING THEM 90 DAYS, TRY TO DO SIX MONTHS WORTH OF WORK.
AND WE EXTENDED, EXTENDED IT REALLY FOR A YEAR.
AND IT COINCIDED WITH, UH, THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT WHERE IF SOMETHING IS IT, THE HOUSE IS DILAPIDATED, THE HISTORICAL PRESERVATION PUTS A YEAR, HOLD ON IT AND THEY ATTEMPT TO SELL IT.
SO IT WAS JUST FAIR TO LET THOSE OWNERS HAVE THAT FULL YEAR OFF.
SO THAT'S WHAT, AND IN OTHER WORDS, SOME PEOPLE, BECAUSE OF THE SHORTAGE OF CONTRACTOR AVAILABILITY, BUT ALL THE CONSTRUCTION, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HEAR THINGS LIKE 90 DAYS WASN'T ENOUGH, COULDN'T FIND A CONTRACTOR.
SO WE STRETCHED IT OUT SO FAR THAT ANY REASONABLE PERSON SHOULD HAVE HAD PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE THINGS STRAIGHT AND BE DONE WITH IT.
AND SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO BE FAIR TO EVERYBODY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ORDINANCE HAS GOT TO BE ALONE MARIJUANA, MY SECOND MISCELLANEOUS COMES OUT AND MR. BILL NORMAN, HE COULD COME UP.
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WAS MS. NOMAN DIDN'T HAVE ANY OPPORTUNITY TO APPEAR BEFORE THE, I THINK IT WAS A PORTO, UH, H BUT HPC.AND, UH, MR. NORMAN, I HAVE HAD DISCUSSION.
HE'S ALSO HAD DISCUSSION WITH STAFF AND HE'S ALSO GONE BEFORE HPC AGAIN.
UH, BUT MR. NOLAN JUST FELT LIKE HE NEEDED TO EXPRESS HIS CONCERN TO THIS BULL.
ALL WOMEN PAR HIM FOR PUTTING ME ON THIS PART OF YOUR AGENDA.
I MIGHT ALSO THAT I MENTIONED THAT I HAVE A BENT THE MAYORS HERE A BIT ON THIS TOO, BUT, UM, I DO FEEL MOVED TO, TO COME BEFORE YOU, UH, FOR THE REASONS THAT I'M GOING TO MENTION IN MY STATEMENT.
AND I DO HAVE A PREPARED STATEMENT, WHICH I WOULD LIKE TO READ.
SO IF YOU WILL BEAR WITH ME, I COME BEFORE YOU TONIGHT BECAUSE MY WIFE AND I HAVE BEEN ENDURING A VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION FOR APPROXIMATELY TWO MONTHS AND ONE TO BRING IT TO THE ATTENTION OF YOU, THE PEOPLE WHO I THINK AND HOPE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT DIRECTLY.
MY PROBLEM CONCERNS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.
YOU, THE ALDERMAN, AS I UNDERSTAND IT ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR SELECTING THE MEMBERS OF THE HPC.
AND I BELIEVE THEREFORE THAT THE HPC IS RESPONSIBLE TO YOU.
THAT IS WHY AFTER SPEAKING TO THE HPC, WHO BY ORDINANCE CAN DO NOTHING DIRECTLY ABOUT THE PROBLEM, I'M BRINGING IT TO YOU.
IT CONCERNS WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE AN ETHICAL VIOLATION ON THE PART OF THE HPC CHAIRMAN, WHO IS ALSO MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR.
HE AND HIS WIFE BOUGHT THEIR PROPERTY.
IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR ON APRIL 20, HE SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR CHANGES TO HIS PROPERTY.
SHORTLY THEREAFTER, I RECEIVED THE REQUIRED NOTICE OF A MEETING TO BE HELD ON MAY 3RD FOR THE REQUIRED, UH, NOTICE TO BE OF THE MEETING FOR THE HPC TO REVIEW THE APPLICATION.
SINCE MY WIFE AND I PLANNED TO LEAVE AT THE END OF APRIL FOR AN EXTENDED TRIP, I ASKED HIM WHAT CHANGES HE HAD SUBMITTED.
HE REPLIED ONLY QUOTE, TWO RAYS WERE HEIGHTENED THE HOUSE, UNQUOTE, MY WIFE AND I HAD NO OBJECTIONS TO THAT.
I HAD NO REASON TO DISBELIEVE THE CHAIRMAN OF THE HPC, MUCH LESS.
MY NEIGHBOR, WHEN WE RETURNED HOME AT THE BEGINNING OF AUGUST, WE DISCUSSED THAT THE PLANS ALSO THAT THE PLAN SUBMITTED ON APRIL THE 20TH FOR REVIEW ON MAY.
THE THIRD ALSO INCLUDED A PROPOSED WALL AROUND THEIR PROPERTY AND A GARAGE.
WE DISCOVERED THAT HAD WE KNOWN THAT PLANS FOR ADDITIONAL STRUCTURES WERE SUBMITTED BY OUR NEIGHBOR.
WE WOULD HAVE ATTENDED THE MEETING TO RAISE OUR OBJECTIONS.
I HAVE CHECKED THE RULES OF PROCEDURE OF THE NEW BERN HPC AND A FOUND IN SECTION 4.8.
THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT, NO COMMISSION MEMBERS SHALL IN ANY MANNER DISCUSS ANY APPLICATION WITH PARTIES PRIOR TO THE COMMISSION'S DELIBERATION ON SUCH APPLICATION.
AND SO ON IN VIEW OF THIS PROVISION, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE CHAIRMAN SHOULD HAVE REPLIED TO MY QUESTION IN LATE APRIL ABOUT PROPOSED CHANGES.
LOOK, I'M ON THE COMMISSION AND I'M CHAIRMAN AND ETHICALLY CANNOT COMMENT.
THE PLANS ARE ON FILE IN THE CITY PLANNERS OFFICE.
THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE ETHICAL THING TO DO.
AND IT WOULD HAVE THEN BEEN MY RESPONSIBILITY TO FOLLOW UP, TO SEE WHAT INDEED WHAT CHANGES WERE PLANNED, BUT I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS NECESSARY BECAUSE OF WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD.
I HAVE ALSO CHECKED THE NEWBURN CODE ON LAND USE ARTICLE 21, SECTIONS 15, UH, 4 22 THROUGH 4 26.
I CAN FIND NOTHING IN THE CODE THAT ADDRESSES WHAT RECOURSE A CITIZEN HAS UPON COUNTERING UNETHICAL BEHAVIOR BY A COMMISSION MEMBER.
I HAVE BEEN INVITED TO GET AN ATTORNEY, BUT THAT THIS IS NOT A LEGAL MATTER FOR ME.
IT IS AN ETHICAL ONE THAT NEEDS TO BE DEALT WITH SO THAT OTHER RESIDENTS DO NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH WHAT MY WIFE AND I HAVE BEEN THROUGH.
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YOU TO WORK WITH HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION TO MAKE SURE THAT SOME NEEDED CHANGES ARE MADE.UM, IN CONCLUSION, I JUST WANT TO, AGAIN, THANK HOLDERMAN PAR HAM AND THEIR BAYLESS.
ALSO, I WANT TO THANK THE STAFF, UH, IN THE CITY PLANNERS OFFICES, ESPECIALLY IN THAT STONE WHO HAS SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH ME AND WORKED WITH ME IN GETTING BEFORE THE HPC.
AND I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE HPC FOR LISTENING TO ME.
I'VE BEEN BEFORE THEM TWICE, I'VE MADE SOME SUGGESTED CHANGES, UH, AND THEY WERE RECEPTIVE THE SECOND TIME AROUND.
BUT AGAIN, I JUST FELT THAT SINCE YOU ARE THE PEOPLE THAT OVERSEE THE HPC, THAT YOU OUGHT TO BE AWARE OF THE SITUATION, WHAT A COUPLE OF YOUR CITIZENS HAVE GONE THROUGH IN DEALING WITH THE CHAIRMAN AT LEAST.
AND HOPEFULLY, UM, WE'LL KEEP THAT IN MIND IN YOUR DEALINGS WITH THE HPC TO SEE THAT MAYBE SOME THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE IN A POSITIVE WAY TO PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING AGAIN.
SO AGAIN, I THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME.
DID WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? AND THE MISCELLANEOUS, NOT THE ATTORNEY'S REPORT, MAY I HAVE HANDED OUT A COPY OF RESOLUTION? IT CAME TO MY ATTENTION YESTERDAY THAT THE SEND SAID YOU RECEIVED ENABLED THE CITY TO ACQUIRE PROPERTIES BETTER FLOODED, REQUIRED.
THE DEEDS TO THE CITY INCLUDE A PROVISION THAT NEVER COULD BE USED AT A SITE FOR A HOUSE.
AGAIN, GOT THE BED, A LITTLE UNUSUAL MONEY, THE CITY TO THE CITY.
AND IT HAS THE EFFECT OF CLOSING THE RESTRICTION REQUIRED BY THE GRANT ON THE SEVERAL PROPERTIES WHICH HAVE BEEN WORKING.
I'VE HAD A COPY OF THE FIRST PAGE AND A COPY OF THE SIGNATURE OF THAT TO THE RESOLUTION PARAGRAPH THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE DEED, BUT WHICH WERE NOT RAISED AS FAR AS THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS CONVEYANCE TO ATTACH THE FOLLOWING RESTRICTIONS TO THE REAL PROPERTY, IDENTIFIED A BOOK IN ACQUIRING THE HEARING ABOVE DESCRIBED REAL PROPERTY.
THE THREE THAT THE PROPERTY SHALL BE USED ONLY FOR THE PURPOSES OF COMPATIBLE WITH OPEN SPACE, RECREATIONAL OR WETLANDS MANAGEMENT PRACTICE, AND THEN NO NEW STRUCTURES OR IMPROVEMENT SHALL BE ERECTED ON THE NEW STRUCTURES ON THE PREMISES OTHER THAN A RESTROOM OR IT.
SO IT IS OPEN ON ALL SIDES AND FUNCTIONALLY RELATED TO THE OPEN SPACE USE FURTHER.
THE PART OF THE SECOND PART ACKNOWLEDGES THAT NO FURTHER DISASTER ASSISTANCE MAY BE SOUGHT FROM ANY FEDERAL SOLAR, FOR ANY PURPOSE RELATED TO THE PROPERTY, NOR WILL SUCH ASSISTANCE BE PROVIDED THE PART IN THE SECOND PART FURTHER AGREES THAT IT SHOULD CONVEY THE PROPERTY OR ANY ENTRANCE THERE AND ONLY TO ANOTHER PUBLIC ENTITY AND ONLY WITH PRIOR APPROVAL MEN CEM.
UH, THEMA SUCH CONVEYANCE SHALL BE MADE SPECIAL SUBJECT TO THE ABOVE REFERENCE CONDITIONS AND RESTRICT QUICK SHOULD RUN WITH THE PROPERTY IN PERPETUITY.
I THINK THE ADOPTION OF THIS CONFERENCE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A MOVE, A RESOLUTION, BE ADOPTED OUT AND BE ADOPTED OKAY.
WELL, I DO HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH.
UH, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND ASK THE QUESTIONS TO ASK YOU APPLE.
YEAH, I SECOND, THE MOTION IT'S BEEN MOVED SECOND AND I THINK 30, THIS IS THE FIRST, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, BUT WE'VE HAD IT THIRD AT MASS.
SO YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND CALL THE RE-UPPING.
SO THE MARRIAGE, UH, I HAD THOUGHT THAT MIKE HAD SOMETHING.
DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, MIKE? OKAY.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER.
WELL, LET ME MAKE A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
PROPER EXPOSITION TAUGHT YOU ABOUT THE JOURNAL AND IF NOT ON FIBER, GOING TO EXECUTIVE SESSION, SAY HI,