* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] LORD WOULD YOU LIVE DOWN ON US AS WE CONDUCT BUSINESS AND GIVE US WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE AND GRACE IN YOUR NAME? AMEN. OKAY. FIRST THING, IF WE HAVE TONIGHT PRESENTATION OF THE APPEARANCE COMMISSION AWARDS, CAN YOU HEAR ME ANYTHING DIFFERENT ABOUT THE SOUND SYSTEM? MY WIFE ALWAYS ACCUSED ME OF BEING TOO LOUD. LET'S TRY AGAIN. THE FIRST THING IS THE PRESENTATION OF THE APPEARANCE COMMISSION AWARDS. SO WILL OUR DEPARTMENTS, INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS AWARDS COME FORTH? OH, OKAY. STEVEN BENNETT. FIRST GRADE. SHE QUICKLY LANDED BEHIND I TELL YOU IT REALLY IS AMAZING TO RIDE AROUND. AND IF YOU'VE BEEN HERE, THE OLD FELLOW SAID ONE TIME HE'D BEEN HERE ALL HIS LIFE. HE SAID, NO, NOT YET. I'VE USED THAT. I'VE BEEN HERE AND IT TRULY DOES LOOK A WHOLE LOT BETTER. IN FACT CAN BE BELIEVED. AND HE DID 40 YEARS AGO. AND I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHEN THINGS GET OLDER AND LOOK BETTER, UH, KIND OF GOES AGAINST IT. I GUESS THE THIRD LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS THAT'S ABOUT THIS GUY. ANYHOW, THE NEXT THING WE HAVE IS THE REQUEST AND THE PRESENT, UH, PETITIONS OF CITIZENS. AND IF WE ASK SOME FOLKS HERE, WANT TO DO THAT AT NIGHT AND JUST START ON THE FRONT ROW. IS ANYBODY ON THE FRONT ROW LEANING TO FOLLOW THE ROAD THAT WANTS TO COME FORWARD, MSA, OKAY. STATE YOUR NAME AND WHERE YOU LIVE. AND THEN I AM REVEREND DAVID MOORE FROM WASHINGTON, NORTH CAROLINA. UH, I HAVE MET FIRST ONE TO THANK YOU, MAYOR AND ALDERMAN FOR ALLOWING ME THE CHANCE TO COME BEFORE YOU [00:05:01] MET WITH, UH, THE FORD IN A WORKING SESSION A FEW MONTHS AGO ON A, ON A SUBDIVISION THAT WOULD BE A 23 UNIT, UH, SINGLE FAMILY FOR WORKING FAMILIES, UH, OFF NORTH GLEN BURNIE AND OAKS. AND HE ASKED ME TO GO BACK AND MEET WITH THE CITIZENS OF THE COMMUNITY. WE'VE DONE THAT. UH, THE MR. BERNARD GEORGE FROM THE CITY REPRESENTED YOUR INTERESTS AND ALSO PUBLIC WORKS WAS THERE BECAUSE OF THE CONCERN OVER DRAINAGE. I ALSO HAVE A FEW DRAWINGS THAT I'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU VERY, VERY QUICKLY, JUST TO SHOW YOU HOW THESE 23 MIGHT LOOK LIKE. UM, AND THE ONLY THING I NEED NOW IS YOUR BLESSING TO ALLOW US TO, TO APPLY FOR THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT UNDER THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT CATEGORY. I THINK WE CAN TAKE THIS UP AT ANOTHER MEETING, BUT YOU WERE GOING TO PUT THEM ON NOTICE TONIGHT. IS THAT NOT RIGHT? IT'S DIRECT. AND I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO SEE THE, THE RENDITION, IF YOU, IF YOU GAVE ME JUST ONE SECOND, OH, MAYBE YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND SAY, WE NEED TO KNOW TO FALL ON THE HEAD ON IT, YOU KNOW, TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT IT, BUT IF YOU GO AHEAD, GO AHEAD. OKAY. UH, BILLY IS HERE REPRESENTING, UH, ARCHITECTURAL FIRM LUMINARY DRAWINGS. THIS IS A SITE PLAN THAT ILLUSTRATES THE PROPERTY AND JUST THE CONCEPT OF WHAT MIGHT OCCUR. THERE ARE 24 UNITS WITH SHARED GARAGE IT'S BETWEEN AROUND THE CENTRAL GREEN COMMON AREA HERE INTEREST DRIVE HERE BEYOND THAT, WHAT WE HAVE TO SHOW OR SOME IMAGES. THIS IS A PROJECT THAT WE DID IN WASHINGTON, NORTH CAROLINA, ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, A SIMILAR SCOPE, JUST TO GIVE YOU A FEEL FOR THE TITLE DRAWINGS, THE PICTURES, THESE ARE PHOTOGRAPHS AND NOT ONLY THE FINISHES OF THE BUILDING, THE MATERIALS IN THE BUILDING, AND ALSO THE LEVEL OF LANDSCAPE. JUST A BROADER VIEW OF THE STREETSCAPE VIEW SIDE FEATURES SUCH AS THE LIGHTING ACCOUNT. WE ENVISIONED BEING VERY SIMILAR TO THIS. I WROTE THEM ALL. WHAT KIND OF TIME CONSTRAINTS ARE YOU WORKING ON? ARE THERE ANY, WELL AT THE NEXT MEETING, IF WE CAN HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S THE FIRST STEP. I THINK THE REASON I ASKED THAT, UM, I THINK THAT BE A MIRROR AND THE STUDENT MANAGER HAD IN MIND, YOU COMING THE FOUR OF US AT A WORK SESSION. SO THEY ASK DETAILED QUESTIONS. IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT YOU HAD IN MY TO ASK THEM? REALLY? I THINK THAT HIS TIMEFRAME PROBABLY REQUIRE THEM TO HAVE THE FOREST TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE ISSUE. UH, AT THE NEXT MEETING I HAD IN OUR WORK, NOT REALLY SCHEDULED UNTIL, UH, NOVEMBER. THAT'S WHEN OUR NEXT ONE WOULD BE. UM, THE STAFF WILL HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AND THINGS TO MAKE IT THAT TIME. THEY'LL TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT, BUT HE'S, HE IS UNDER SOME CONSTRAINTS. SO WHAT'S GONNA GOING TO DO TO HELP THEM UP. WE JUST NEED TO CALL, WE NEED TO ASK FOR CALL FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY, AYE, AYE. BILLY, COULD YOU PASS THAT, UH, LAYOUT THE WAY THE HOUSES JUST BE LAID OUT? UH, THE TWO FRONTAL VIEWS I DON'T NEED, BUT I'D LIKE TO JUST LIKE, TAKE A QUICK LOOK AT THE OTHER ONE. THE FIRST ONE, THE SCHEMATIC. YEAH, THERE, THERE IS ALSO THE POSSIBILITY OF THIS. THIS HAS TO BE AT A 23 UNIT AND I'M HOPING THAT I CAN WORK WITH THE CITY TO DO TWO HOUSES IN THE DUFFY FIELD COMMUNITY. WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT AND I HAVE NOT GIVEN UP ON THAT IDEA EITHER. SO, UM, BUT I'M HOPING, UH, THAT THE CDBG GRANT IS ONLY THE MAXIMUM $250,000. AND IF THE CITY COULD POSSIBLY DONATE TO THE NON-PROFIT, UH, TWO LOTS, SOMEWHERE IN DUFFY FIELD AND A NONPROFIT COULD BUILD TWO HOUSES, UH, FOR SOME WORKING FAMILIES. SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER THAT TOO. WE PLAN [00:10:01] FOR THE AREA. ABSOLUTELY. WE APPRECIATE IT. AND THANK YOU SO MUCH SO FAR, MR. , THE HEARING IS SCHEDULED COMMUNITY. OKAY. BODY ANTHONY THING ON THE PETITION OF CITIZENS. NOBODY ELSE ON THE FRONT ROW. SECOND ROW, EVERYBODY ON THE SIDE, BRO. Y'ALL NOBODY ON THE SECOND ROW. ALL RIGHT. AND HOW ABOUT IN THE THIRD ROW? HOW ABOUT IN THE BUILDING? WE'LL TAKE THE GUY IN THE BACK THEN, BUT JUST DO IT THAT WAY. I CAN'T SAY WHO IT IS. I'VE GOT HIM PULLED HIM LSE NAME. I'M NOT HERE FOR OUR LATEST DESTRUCTION IN THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT WITH TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, SEWING MACHINE BUILDING. UH, IN ALL CONVERSATION SUNDAY, YOU STRESS SAFETY. WILL YOU AGREED. SAFETY IS AN IMPORTANT THING. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE CITY OF NEWBURN STOPPING WHAT, UH, N C D O T WANTS TO, TO THE BROAD STREET. I WANT TO TAKE DOWN THE BLINKING LIGHTS AND WANT TO USE THE, UH, CONTROLLING OF CROSS TRAFFIC AT METCALF, UM, BERN AND CRAVEN STREET WITH STOP SIGNS. THAT MEANS ANYBODY CROSSING THAT STREET AT THOSE LOCATIONS, UH, JAYWALKING IS THEY HAVE LOOK BOTH WAYS TO SEE IF THEY CAN MAKE THAT. WHY THOROUGHFARE CROSSED IT BEFORE THEY GET HIT BY A CAR THEY'RE GOING TO CROSS NOT AT THE GREEN, BUT IN BETWEEN, UH, Y THAT WE HAVE TO REDUCE PUSH THE TRAFFIC THROUGH DOWNTOWN. WHAT'S THE NEED OF HAVING TRAFFIC GO FROM EAST FRONT STREET TO QUEEN STREET, WHICH IS LESS THAN THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE. WHY CAN'T WE KEEP, I'D SAY KEEP THE BLINKING LIGHTS, BUT PUT PEDESTRIAN, UH, CONTROLLED BUTTONS AT EACH OF THE INTERSECTIONS. SO A CITIZEN WHO WANTS TO CROSS THE STREET CAN PRESS A BUTTON AND GET ACROSS THE STREET. YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, WE HAVE TOURISTS COME INTO THIS TOWN. ALSO THE RESIDENTS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COME DOWNTOWN TO THE BUSINESS DIRECTION TO SERVE THE BUSINESS DISTRICT, TO GO TO THE BANK, GO TO THE POST OFFICE, GO TO THE SUPERMARKET. THE SHOP, GO TO THE RESTAURANTS AND THE THEATER. EVERY ONE OF THEM HAS TO JAYWALK. A LOT OF US ARE GETTING LOW. A LOT OF US HAVE LEG PROBLEMS. ALSO THE TOURISTS. IT'S FUNNY. STAND ON THE CORNER AND WATCH THE TOURIST SCURRY ACROSS THE STREET. ALSO YOUR LAWYER, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE A CLARK WHO HAS TO RUN ACROSS BROAD STREET TO GET TO THE PAPER TO YOUR OFFICE. SO YOU'RE HEARING A TIME. THERE'S NO NEED TO ALLOW THE CONTROL OF THOSE THREE INTERSECTIONS TO BE HELD BY A STOP. SOMETHING WE ALL KNOW IF WE WERE RIDING ON THE ROAD AND WE SEE A CAUTION LIGHT, WE SLOW DOWN. WE LOOK TO SEE IF THERE'S A CAR AND A CUP OF COROLLA, ESPECIALLY IN A CITY. IF YOU'RE ON A HIGHWAY AND YOU CAN SEE, YOU CAN SPEED THROUGH, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO BE IN A CITY STREET. AND NOW I HEAR THIS TALK ABOUT PUTTING POC AND ON BROAD STREET. IS THAT TRUE? ANYBODY DENY IT, ANYBODY HEAR ABOUT IT? THAT'S ONE OF THE CONCEPTS THAT'S BEEN DESCRIBED. THAT'S ONE OF THE CONCEPTS. SO THAT EDS TO THE PROBLEM THAT IF YOU HAVE PARKING THE PEDESTRIAN, CAN'T SEE A CAR COMING WHILE THE CAR CAN'T SEE IT. IF THE DESPERATE, NOW WE HAVE THE READ, WHY DO WE HAVE THE NEED OF PUSHING THE TRAFFIC? TRUE. WE HAVE, UH, THE DESIGNATION OF A BROAD STREET AS TO BUSINESS 70 AND NC 55. NOW I'VE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH, UH, SO I DON'T GET HIS NAME WRONG. HE'S A TRAFFIC ENGINEER FOR A D O T AND HE SAYS, IT'S GOING TO BE 7,000 MOVEMENTS. ONE BROAD IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA, ONE OF THE NEWSPAPERS FLIPPING TED, UH, 25,000 CARS COMING ACROSS THE, THE, UH, CUNNINGHAM BRIDGE. [00:15:01] WE BOTH AGREE IN OUR CONVERSATION. THERE WAS A TYPE OF THIS SOMEPLACE. NC 55 COMES ACROSS THE NEW STRIP OF BRIDGE TO EAST FRONT STREET. ACTUALLY IT COMES TO THE CUNNINGHAM BRIDGE. FIRST GOES ACROSS EAST FRONT STREET, GOES DOWN EAST BROAD STREET AT IT, JUST AT FIRST STREET, WHERE BROAD, WHEREVER YOU THAT EASTERN, WHERE, UM, UH, BROAD CHANGES DESIGNATION TO NEW STREET, THAT IS ALL NC 55. HE WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION AND A LETTER AND A RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS BOARD TO DECLASSIFY EAST FRONT STREET AND BROAD STREET FROM NC 55. THE SOLUTION WOULD BE THAT THE TRAFFIC WOULD STAY ON THE BRIDGE. THE ONE TO 70, AN EXIT AT THE CRANBROOK FIRST STREET ACTION PEMBRO FIRST STREET EXIT TO BROAD STREET. FIRST STREET WOULD BE CLASSIFIED AND C 55. THAT WAY WE GET ALL THIS UNNECESSARY, TRUE TRAFFIC COMING OFF, THE NEW SERVICE BRIDGE, GOING TO POINTS WEST FIRST STREET, AVOIDING THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT. WE'RE LOOKING SAID, SAFETY. YOUR, THIS BOY IS THE DUTY OF THE BOARD IS TO LOOK FOR THE INTEREST AND SAFETY OF THE CITIZENS. I HOPE YOU WOULD CONSIDER KEEPING THE BLINKING LIGHTS. PRODY TELL HIM THE OT. WE MOVED THE STOP SIGNS, PUT IN PEDESTRIAN PATROL BUTTONS AT EACH OF THE INTERSECTIONS AND ALSO DECLASSIFYING EAST FRONT STREET AND THROW IT STRAIGHT FROM NC 55. I THINK THAT, UH, WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS TO TAKE YOUR MAR REMARKS EXACTLY. AND TO SEND THEM TO, TO THE DAP REPRESENTATIVE, I GUESS, THROUGH DANNY AND JUST SEE WHAT HIS, WHAT HIS FEELINGS ARE ABOUT. WELL, AS FAR AS THE DECLASSIFICATION, HE WAS POSITIVE FOR THAT. ANY ONE OF THESE THINGS THAT HE PROBABLY BY COMING TO US AND US GOING THROUGH HIM. AND WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT YOUR, UH, YOU KNOW, SUGGESTIONS, QUESTIONS, WHATEVER THAT YOU BROUGHT UP, YOU KNOW, NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. AND IF IT'S, IF IT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY THINK IS PROPER IN IT, AND IT WORKED SO FORTH AND SO ON, MUST HAVE SOME UNDERLYING REASON THAT SHOULDN'T BE, WE NEED TO LOOK INTO WELL. SO I WONDER WHY THE, UH, CHANGING OF THE LIGHTS THERE, WASN'T A PUBLIC HEARING. SO PEOPLE COME OUT AND SAY, HEY, HO IT, THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS ARE LOOKING FOR MOVING TRAFFIC, BUT THIS IS A HISTORIC DISTRICT ON BOTH SIDES OF BROAD STREET. BROAD STREET HAS A BUSINESS WALKING DISTRICT AND A HISTORIC HOMES AND BUILDINGS, DISTRICT NORTH OF BERLIN PEOPLE VISIT HIS RESIDENTS CROSS BROAD STREET. THEY CROSS MOST OF IT AT CRAVING. WELL, I CAN TELL YOU JUST AS A, I GUESS A RULE OF THUMB WHEN IN FACT IT'S NOT RUDE, BUT NOT EVERYTHING IS DONE WITH A CLUB HERE. I KNOW THAT, OH, YOU'D HAVE TO TELL YOU ABOUT . I KNOW, I THINK MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE BULLETS, PUBLIC HEARINGS. WELL, YAY. FOR PRIVATE HEARING. SO THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE THE DECISION GET AN EMPLOYEE, WELL, WE ARE ALL FOR THAT. YES. SO AM I, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, BUT I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT FOR AN EXAMPLE, THE INPUT THAT YOU'RE GIVING US TONIGHT IS, IS WELL TAKEN AND WILL BE PASSED ON TO THE PEOPLE THAT FINISH IT AND THAT TYPE OF THING. AND THAT'S WELL AND GOOD, BUT ALSO LIKELY TO CAUTION YOU THAT A LOT OF TIMES THINGS HAPPEN BECAUSE THEY'RE UNDER OTHER PEOPLE'S JURISDICTION AND THIS TYPE OF THING. AND IT'S NOT ALWAYS A PUB IN HERE. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T GET EVERYBODY TOGETHER AND SAY, WELL, WHAT DO YOU THINK THOUGH? SOMETIMES THERE ARE LAWS THAT THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW BASED ON FLOW. AND I MEAN, I'VE LEARNED THAT SINCE I'VE BEEN TO MAKE THAT JUST HAND UP AND SAY, I'D LIKE A SIDE MAN, MANGA, BUT THEN YOU WONDER WHY WE HAVE A TRAFFIC LIGHT AT HANCOCK STREET, STOP THE TRAIN INTO SOMETHING. NO, THEY SHOULD HAVE A REASON. AND YOU SHOULD GIVE THE PUBLIC THE REASON. AND WE DO, IF WE HAVE THE, SOMETIMES IT'S NOT ALWAYS, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TO REQUEST YOU TO GET THE REASONS. SO WE CAN SAY, WE DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. THAT'S WHY I CALL ON THE CORNER. YOU WILL BE GETTING BACK TO ME. WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'LL BE ME PERSONALLY, BUT I WILL SEE THAT THEY ADDRESSED THE QUESTION. YEAH. OKAY. JUST IN CASE YOU FORGET MY NAME, JERRY HOPKINS, TWO NINE NEW STREET. AND I WANT YOU TO NOT UNDERSTAND TRUTH ANY TIME THERE'S ANY, [00:20:01] ANY QUESTIONS OR SUGGESTIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AND I DON'T THINK MOST PEOPLE WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH DOING THAT, BUT I MEAN, WE'RE ALL WELCOME TO SUGGEST, BUT AGAIN, A LOT OF TIMES THINGS HAPPEN. UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT, IN SOME CASES I'M LED TO BELIEVE DIFFERENTLY. YOU COULD STAND UP EVEN TO THE PRESIDENT, IF YOU WANT TO STAND UP. WELL, DAN RATHER DID IT, BUT HE AIN'T HE'S WRITING. BUT IF YOU'RE WRITING, YOU CAN STAND UP TO ANYBODY. BUT BEFORE I LEAVE ON YOUR CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH NOBODY REALLY KNOWS WHAT IT IS. YOU HAVE ITEM 11. THE REASON I'M BRINGING IT OUT IS THAT I ALSO HEARD A RUMOR THAT ON BROAD STREET, THE SPEED LIMIT IS GOING TO NOT STAY AT 25, BUT MAYBE ELEVATED. IS THAT TRUE? WHAT, WHAT IS ITEM 11? HOW DOES ANYBODY KNOW? I MEAN, WE'LL ALWAYS SEE THESE ONE LINE IS, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN KNOW REALLY? WHAT IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? AGENDA. DO WE HAVE TO SAY, GIVE US THE WHOLE PACKAGE? WHY CAN'T IT BE LEFT ON THE DOOR OR IN THE, UH, BULLETIN BOARD YOU HAVE DOWNSTAIRS. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT IT, YOU'D COME WELL, YOU CAN, YOU CAN COME AND GET IT. I MEAN, I MEAN, WE COULD MAIL IT. NO, NO, NO. THAT COST MONEY. CAUSE THAT'S TAXPAYER'S MONEY, BUT YOU COULD, YOU COULD PUT THE WHOLE PACKAGE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. OTHER THAN IF IT'S NO SALARY OR NEGOTIATION THINGS THAT THE, UH, SUNSTEIN LEWIS STATION, CHEAP CLIENT, BUT THE SUNSHINE LAWS SAYS, YOU'VE GOT TO TELL US WHAT'S GOING ON. AND THAT'S . YEAH. AND THEN THE OTHER THING TOO IS IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS AND OF COURSE, WHEN THIS IS PUBLISHED, A NEWSPAPER, JUST CALL ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS. THEY CAN GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION, JUST LIKE I GAVE YOU THIS. THE OTHER THING IS DO LIKE YOU DID TONIGHT. IF THERE'S SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA, YOU'RE NOT, UH, NOT SURE OF YOU CAN HAVE ONE OF US PULL IT FOR THIS. GOSH, OKAY. THIS AGENDA IS POSTED IN THE NEWSPAPER TODAY. WHAT IS IF A THAT HAS BEEN IN BEFORE IT'S PREPARED ON THURSDAY PRIOR TO THIS MEETING AND THE PAPER TAKES FOUR DAYS TO PUT IT IN OR WORKING DAYS, THEY WILL NOT DO IT ANY BETTER BECAUSE IT'S A PAID AD BY US. IT'S NOT REQUIRED BY LAW THAT WE PUT IT IN AT ALL. IT'S ONLY PUT INTO THE, WHOA, IS THAT TRUE? I JUST WENT OUT THAT SIDE TO LOOK AT A TIME WHEN YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO ADVERTISE IT. YOU JUST GOT A POST-IT. THEY HAVE BOARD CHOOSES TO ADVERTISE, BUT THEN YOU JUST HAVE TO POST. I'M NOT EVEN SHARING THE LONG. THREE PEOPLE TALKING. IT'S ONLY ONE MAIN, WAIT A MINUTE. I'LL LISTEN TO . THIS IS STRONG, MR. HOBBINS THERE'S NOTHING IN THE LAW THAT REQUIRES THE CITY PUBLISHED THE AGENDA, THE MEETING, UH, YOU'RE A LAWYER AND YOU'RE THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THREE YEARS. I KNOW, BUT I WAS IN THE LIBRARY LOOKING AT SOME OF THE SUNSHINE LAWS. AND IT DOES SAY DIFFERENTLY, BUT I'LL CONCEDE YOU UNTIL I GET THE FACTS. WELL, LET ME, LET ME TELL YOU WHAT YOU MAY BE CONFUSED. OPEN MEETINGS. LAW SAYS THAT WE HAVE TO ANNOUNCE THAT THERE IS A MEETING AND WE HOLD THE MONEY AND YOU CAN COME TO THE MEETING AND HEAR EVERYTHING WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. AND THAT'S ABOUT AS OPEN AS A GIFT, EVEN THE CLOSE READINGS, THE WORD SO JUST SAY, SO EVERY WORK SESSION. YES, SIR. YOU COULD COME AT THE BEGINNING. THE NEWSPAPER GOT CONTINUED RIGHT THERE. ABSOLUTELY. ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE IT IN HERE SOMETIMES? WELL, ALL THE SIZE IS HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME RIGHT NOW? I THINK THIS IS IN THE NEWSPAPER. A LOT OF PEOPLE PROBABLY THOUGHT TO TOM, BECAUSE MORE IT'S DONE IN THE WORD SECTION 10 HERE, AND ALL YOU REAFFIRM IS WHAT YOU HAVE ALREADY DECIDED IN THE WORK SESSION. IT'S NOT TRUE WHATSOEVER. I CAN SIT RIGHT HERE AND TELL YOU FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN HE'S GOT A LOT OF DRAWINGS THAT I CAN, I GUESS YOU CAN SAY THAT IT WOULD BE MUCH EASIER FOR US TO SIT AROUND A SMALL TABLE AND FORMALLY AND LOOK AT THE STUFF. I MEAN, I CAN'T REALLY SEE IT VERY WELL BETWEEN HERE AND YOU AND THAT TYPE OF THING. AND THE PUBLIC, THE NEWSPAPER, UH, GENERALLY WAS THE WORK SESSION. SO A LOT OF TIMES, MOST OF THE TIME, [00:25:01] SOMETIMES THEY DO SOMETIMES THEY DON'T. I MEAN, IT'S A WIDE OPEN DOOR. SO WE GO INTO CLOSED SESSION IS UNDER THE STATUTE THAT DATA WITH YES, PROPERTY ACQUISITION. I SAID THAT EARLIER, SO HE CAN REPORT, AS YOU READ TOMORROW, THE NEXT DAY ON THIS SESSION, HE CAN BE TAUGHT WHAT'S THE CURRENT IN THE WORK SESSION. CAN WE EXPECT SOMETHING FROM THE SUN? AND WE HAVE THE PRESENCE THAT OUR WORK SESSIONS, MANY TIMES LIKE HOPE CELL, BUT WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING COMING OUT OF THE WORK SESSION. WE'VE SEEN IT COMING OUT OF HERE, BUT I'D RATHER WATCH A TV. YOU REALLY COME WITH SOME OF US. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING I CAN DETAIN AND WATCH IT MIGHTILY. HE IS SERIOUS. THAT HAPPENED TO MAYOR SINCE LATE 93. AND IF THERE'S EVER ANYTHING BEEN DECIDED AND SKULLDUGGERY OR ALL THIS OTHER BUSINESS IS SLIPPED BY ME, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THINGS SLIP BY, YOU KNOW, WELL, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO ANYTIME YOU'D LIKE TO DO THAT, I'M WIDE. IN FACT THAT YOU HAVE CALLED ME A FEW TIMES, I KNOW YOU ENJOY AND YOU WERE VERY, UH, TENTATIVE AND UNDERSTANDING, AND I HOPE THAT I'M RON, WOULD I SAY YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M COMING FROM? ABS. ABSOLUTELY. BUT I HEARD THAT, THAT OVER TIME AND THAT, UH, AND I WON'T USE IT IN THE WRONG TERM, BUT I GUESS JUST MY PERSONALITY WHEN I'M SORT OF DISAPPOINTED IN THE SAND TO THINK THAT THERE ARE STILL PEOPLE EXISTED AND SOMEHOW THINK WE DO THINGS, UH, YOU KNOW, UNDER THE TABLE OF WHATEVER. IS THERE A SORT OF AMPLIFICATION THAT ACTUALLY, THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT'S WORKED? I MEAN, I MEAN, I'M JUST TELLING YOU, THAT'S THE WAY IT IS NOW. IF YOU BELIEVE ME FINE, IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE MASSA AND TWO, BUT YOU'LL JUST USE UP A WHOLE LOT OF ENERGY, I THINK. UH, AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, JASON, SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T EXIST, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S YOUR WRONG. WHEN I FIRST CAME UP, THEY TALKED ABOUT THE SEWING ROOM, NOTHING, ANY MORE ABOUT THAT, BUT I HOPE YOU CAN USE THAT AS AN EXAMPLE, WHEN THIS BOARD STARTS TO CONSIDER DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT, THAT WAS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF ALLOWING A OWNER TO ALLOW A BUILDING, TO GET INTO NEGLECT AND THEN, AND START 1920 STRUCTURE, WHICH IS THE KEY TO WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO PASS ON TONIGHT. THE RIVER STATION PLAN WAS DESTROYED WHEN NOBODY HAD A CHANCE OF DEFENDANT. THAT WAS THAT OUR FAULT IT'S THE DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT WAS IN EXISTENCE. YOU WOULD HAVE PROBABLY HAD A BETTER HAND AND WE WOULD HAVE A BUILDING STANDING THERE TODAY, AND IT WOULD BE IN CONDITION TO BE RENOVATED AND MADE A CONTRIBUTION TO THE CITY. ERIC TRIVALENT, FROM PART OF THE , UH, DANNY TO CHECK INTO HIS, UH, SUGGESTIONS ON THE DELIGHTS AND SO FORTH AND SEE WHAT DOD STOP IN HIS OFFICE. THAT'S PERFECT. OKAY. THANKS. NOW BEING A POLITICIAN. I'LL SAY THAT WAS FOR ME, THAT ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE OUT THERE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON? IT BECOMES A GENTLEMAN BACK HERE, I THINK. OKAY. EVEN THE NAME IS DAVID. I LIVE AT 1913 EVANS STREET. I CAME DOWN LAST MONTH TO THE MEETING AND, UH, STRUCK ME BY YOUR MAIL TO COME BACK AND TALK TO DANNY METALS ABOUT MY CONCERN ABOUT WATER PROBLEM AT BETWEEN THE PROPERTIES OF EVAN STREET AND DAVID STREET, SINCE WE HAD SOME GOOD WEATHER, THE WATER IS FINALLY GOING DOWN, BUT THAT WATER STOOD ON THAT PROPERTY FOR LEASE A MONTH AND STILL STANDING WATER ON THAT PROPERTY AND OTHER PROPERTIES. AND MIKE DISCERNING STEEL IS JUST TRYING TO GET THE CITY TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEM. AND YOU SAID THAT, UH, DANNY METALS KNEW MORE ABOUT THE SITUATION ABOUT THAT FIRM. AND ALSO MY OTHER CONCERN IS ABOUT THE LOT THAT WAS CLOUDED UP THAT I MENTIONED ABOUT WHAT DOES THIS INDIVIDUAL HAVE THAT WAS GRANDFATHERED INTO THE CITY LIMITS. AND WHAT DOES IT PERTAINS TO? IS IT CARS JUNK? UH, WHAT DID YOU TALK TO DANNY? AND I HADN'T TALKED TO DANNY, YOU STRUCK ME TO COME BACK TO CONVENE TONIGHT AND YOU KNOW, I DID GO BY YOUR, I SAW THAT LOT. I AGREE WITH YOU. I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT. I THINK THAT GUY HAS MORE JUNK THAN THE CITY WOULD AUTHORIZE. I THINK MAYBE WE NEED TO SEND AN INSPECTOR BY THERE [00:30:01] TO SEE IF HE'S VIOLATING ANY TYPE OF BOOK ENTITLED. I BELIEVE WE HAVE DONE THAT. I DON'T THINK ORDINANCE THAT CURRENT MIGHT BE ABLE TO TELL US MORE ABOUT, CAN I GET OUT AND SEE THE PAPERWORK SPECIFYING WHAT HE'S ENTITLED ON HIS PROPERTIES, WHETHER THEY HAVE ANTIQUE CARS IN A CAR. YEAH. THEY'RE PUBLIC DOCUMENTS. THEY CAN SEE IF THEY WANT, JONATHAN IS MR. MAYBE WAS OKAY. MR. CLARK, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GIVE US ANY INFORMATION ON HIS LOT? YEAH. RELATED TO THE PROPERTY THAT THIS GENTLEMAN IS ADDRESSING OUR HOUSING HOUSING, INSTEAD OF LOOK AND SPOKE WITH THE OWNER OF THE PIECE OF PROPERTY WRITTEN BACK IN 19 89, 87, THE LAST HOUR. IF HE WAS, IF HE HADN'T ALREADY DONE, HE WAS WORKING CAN YOU CHECK AND SEE IF HE WILL EVER GETTING THIS GENTLEMEN, THE INFORMATION MATT? I MEAN, HE HAS ASKED THE QUESTION AS TO WHETHER THE GUY IS MEETING THE, YOU KNOW, THE AGREEMENTS OR NOT. AND THEREFORE I'D LIKE THEM TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT. NOW AT LEAST, AT LEAST YOU GOT THINGS IN MOTION. THAT'S WHERE MY CONCERN IS. YOU SAY THIS WAS 1980. I CAN'T REMEMBER THE DATE OF THE LETTER. GIVE ME JUST TAKE A LOOK. I REALLY DIDN'T ANSWER THAT OFF. MY CONCERN IS THE CITY'S BEEN GOING THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF NEWBURGH, UM, MOVING ABANDONED CARS. A LOT OF HOMEOWNERS DIDN'T HAVE THE FINANCING TO HAVE THOSE CARS MOVING. PEOPLE HAD BEEN GIVEN CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME TO DO THAT. MY CONCERN IS WHY WAS THIS INDIVIDUAL GIVEN ALL THIS TIME, GET KNOWN ABOUT THE SITUATION AND NOTHING WAS DONE TO ME. THAT SEEMS LIKE THAT THAT'S THAT'S SHOWING IMPARTIALITY. WELL, WAIT A MINUTE. IF I MAY BE SO BOLD SINCE HE DIDN'T HAVE ANY DISCREET DATES FOR YOU WHEN HE JUST ASKED ME, BUT HE DID SAY PAPERWORK IS EXISTED, RIGHT? WOULD YOU PLEASE LET HIM GET THE PAPERWORK TOGETHER? YOU A LOOK AT THE PAPERWORK AND THEN IF IT DOESN'T ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS, YOU CAN COME BACK AND ASK US WHAT I'M SAYING. AS THE PAVEMENT WORK MAY HAVE ANSWERED THOSE QUESTIONS THAT YOU'RE ASKING TO US THAT WE DON'T KNOW THE ANSWERS TO, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT PAPERWORK IN FRONT OF US EITHER. YOU KNOW, LIKE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHY DID HE HAVE THIS AMOUNT OF TIME OR THAT VERSUS IT? I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A CLUE. DON'T KNOW WHEN HE WAS IN VIOLATION OF OR ANYTHING ELSE. WHAT I'M GETTING AT MARY ITSELF YEARS WENT BY AND NOBODY SEEMS TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. SEE THE VEHICLES, UH, PATROL NEXT STREET. WELL, POLICEMEN IT'S FAILURES, ALL THE CITY VEHICLES. AND THE PROBLEM IS FIVE YEARS. DON'T LET, I'M NOT MISTAKEN. I BELIEVE THAT THE PROPERTY IN THE AREA YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT COMES UNDER WHAT I BELIEVE WE REFER TO AS ILLEGAL NON-CONFORMING USE. WHEN IN OTHER WORDS, FIXING, IF IT'S IN, IF IT'S IN A USE, IT DOESN'T CONFORM WITH OUR REGULATIONS PRIOR TO THE TIME THAT IT COMES INTO THE CITY OR THAT WE ADOPTED ZONING REGULATIONS FOR IT. THEN THE OWNER HAS THE RIGHT TO CONTINUE USING THAT PROPERTY FOR THAT PURPOSE. AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO ABOUT IT. UH, HE CAN'T INTENSIFY THAT USE, BUT HE CERTAINLY HAS THE RIGHT TO CONTINUE THAT USE UNDER THE LAW. THAT'S A STATE LAW. THAT'S NOT A CITY LAW. AND I THINK THAT THAT PROPERTY THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT, THERE IS, UH, ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, IS THAT CORRECT COUNTY? SO THAT'S THE KIND OF THING. IF YOU SIT DOWN WITH THE PAPERWORK THAT YOU MAY BE ABLE TO GET AN ANSWER FOR IT, IT'S NOT, THERE'S NOT ANY INTENT TO TREAT ONE PERSON DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER. AND AGAIN, WE'RE AWARE OF HOW SOMEBODY MAKES UP COPIES, YOU KNOW, TO US THEN I GUESS WE'LL STRAIGHTEN IT OUT. MARILYN, IT SHOWED A DRAIN EXTENDED. I'VE GONE OVER THERE LAST YEAR AND LOOKED AT IT PROPERLY. ALSO AT THAT TIME, THERE WAS AN IDEA OF POSSIBLY RUNNING WHAT MAYBE SOUTH, UH, COUNTRY CLUB ROAD, AWAY FROM THAT, THE CLUB ROAD. WHAT DID WE FIND OUT ABOUT IT? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DRAINAGE PROBLEM AND SEE, THE OTHER THING IS THAT SHOULD DRAIN RUNS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE [00:35:01] STREET FROM HIS HOUSE. AM I CORRECT? OKAY. EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING DRAINS, THE DRAINAGE DITCHES THAT ARE OUT THERE, RAINBOW COUNTRY CLUB PROPERTY. I DON'T THINK YOU OWN THE PROPERTY THAT SOME OF THE MOTHERS IS ACTUALLY IN WHAT WAS POINT ON THE, UH, WOULD BE THE WEST SIDE, I GUESS THEY HAD A STREET AND IT APPEARS THAT IT'S ON ONE TIME THAT IT'S A BACK YARD BRINGING INTO MIND. IT GOES BETWEEN THE PROFITS AND THEN THE BEER IS JUST LOOKING AT IT THAT AT SOME POINT IN TIME, IT MAY HAVE BEEN, BUT IT DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE WHEN IT GETS THERE. I WILL GO TO THAT IS ON LATER. ALSO ABOUT A YEAR AGO, WE TRIED TO FIND THAT IT MAY HAVE BEEN INTO THAT AND DID NOT FIND THAT SO SOMETHING OVER THE YEARS HAS CHANGED. UH, IT'S NOT, WELL, I GUESS IT'S ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE. I GUESS YOU COULD DRAIN IT BACK THE OTHER WAY, BUT IT JUST GOES INTO A LOCAL WETLANDS AREA. DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE. UH, SEVERAL YEARS AGO UNDER THE HAZARD MITIGATION PROGRAM, WE REQUESTED FUNDING FOR A PILOT TRAVERSE ALONG THE EDGE OF A BIG IN THE OLD FAMILY. NOW, UH, AGAIN, HOW MANY DOLLARS WE DID SUBMITTED TO THAT MONEY GOT OUT FEASIBILITY STUDY, AND IT WOULD DRAIN THAT WAY. IT'S JUST A FUNDING ISSUE. UNFORTUNATELY, THE ISSUE THAT HE FACES IS IT'S PRODUCT QUALITY ISSUES, NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT THE RIGHT-AWAY ISSUE. AND WE DON'T AT THIS POINT IN TIME, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE BEEN, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT MR. MCDAVID MOTHER-IN-LAW'S PROPERTY, UH, AT A STAFF LEVEL, A NUMBER OF TIMES EVER SINCE THE FIRST TIME TODAY THAT I GUESS IT WAS BERKELEY THAT CAME THROUGH AND LEFT THE FIRST, UH, LARGE DEPOSIT OF RAIN THERE. BUT, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE EXPLORING IS THE POSSIBILITY OF UTILIZING SOME OF EXCESS FUNDS THAT WE COME AT THAT COMES OUT SOME OF THESE FEDERAL GRANTS TO DO A BUYOUT OF THAT PROPERTY, RELOCATE THE FAMILY, TO DO A MORE SUITABLE SITE, AND THEN JUST HAVE THAT LOT DOWN THERE, UH, VACANT FROM THEN ON. WE, WE'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO PUT THAT TOGETHER YET, BUT WE, UH, FEEL LIKE THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME HOPE TO DO THAT. AND WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT. SO WE'LL, WE'LL BE DONE WITH PROBLEMS. YOU MADE IT A HOUSE AND MOVED OFF OF IT, RIGHT? YES. IF THE HOUSE HAS MOVED OFF OF IT, NOTHING ELSE WILL GO ON THE LOT. AND IT WILL PROBABLY BE USED MORE AS RETENTION AREA THAN ANYTHING ELSE. SO, SO YOU KEEP SAYING THAT IT'S ONE HOME. THE PROBLEM IS THIS, IT INVOLVES MORE THAN ONE HOME. IT INVOLVES ABOUT TWO PROPERTY OWNERS NEXT STREET, OVER IT EVOLVES MY LIE, THE LIE THAT OWNED THE SEVEN MOTHER LOANS AND INVOLVE THEM AND LET THEM KNOW IT'S NOT, IT ALSO INVOLVES THE ANOTHER LOT OVER THE COUNTRY CLUB ROAD. SO WHEN THAT WATER BACKS UP, IT BACKS UP THE WAY BACK TO COUNTRY CLUB ROAD. WHEN WE HAVE THE SYSTEM OUT OF THE RAIN. SO JUST BY MOVING TO SOMEONE'S HOUSE, BUYING THEM OUT, WOULDN'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM. PROBLEM DRAINS NEED TO BE DONE, DONE IN ERROR AND IT OWNED IT. IT DOESN'T JUST AFFECT ONE HOMEOWNER. YOU HAVE PROBLEMS WITH MOSQUITOES, SNAKES, AND OTHER, OTHER THINGS FOR US, UH, WATER RISING TO, UH, UH, SEWAGE DRAIN LINES. AND IT'S NOT JUST AFFECTING ONE HOMEOWNER. IT'S ALL THE HOMEOWNERS THAT IS AFFECTED BY THIS, THIS, THIS PROBLEM, PROBABLY 20,000, 80,000, PROBABLY 20,000 HOMEOWNERS AFFECTED BY MOSQUITOES AND HIGH WATER AND THIS RIGHT. BUT I GAVE YOU, I GAVE YOU PETITION TO LAST AND BEATING UP THOSE CONCERNS THAT THOSE RESIDENTS THAT WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS PROBLEM, THIS COPY OF IT. OKAY, MR. MCDAVID, THIS IS C YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THIS POINT POINT IS, IS THAT THE CITY DOES NOT HANDLE PRIVATE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS. WELL, INDIVIDUALLY, MOST FOLKS WHO HAVE PROMINENT IN LOW LINE AREAS ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME KIND OF FLOODING. IF IT RAINS HARD ENOUGH, EVERYTHING THE STAFF IS TRYING TO DO FOR YOU IS THEY'RE DOING IT OUT OF GOODNESS. THEY DON'T OWE YOU THIS, BUT DON'T QUICK TO LEAVE. WE DON'T HAVE AN OBLIGATION [00:40:01] TO SOLVE YOUR PERSONAL DRAINAGE PROBLEM. I HAVE THE MEASURE HEART. REMEMBER DURING THE HURRICANE, HE HAD TO STAY OVER SOMEONE ELSE'S HOUSE. WHEN THE ACT OF GOD OCCURS, THE CITY CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. WHEN I GREW UP OUT IN THE WOODS ROAD AREA, MY BROTHER, ONE OF MY BROTHERS POINTED OUT TO ME THE OTHER DAY THAT ONCE ON ONE SIDE OF OUR HOUSE, AND HE DIDN'T REMEMBER IT EVER BEING DRY, BEING DRY. AND WHEN WE CUT THE GRASS, HE COULDN'T EAT. HE SAID, DON'T YOU REMEMBER IF YOU DRIVE AROUND OUTSIDE OF THE HOUSE, THE CAR GOT STUCK IN THE GRASS BECAUSE THE WATER TABLE IS SO HIGH. IN OTHER WORDS, IT WAS SO CLOSE TO SEA AROUND THE CITY, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT JUST MAGNIFIES ALL THE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE A LOT OF OTHER PLACES TONIGHT FOR GOD MET UNTIL HE SAID IT. I SAID, I REMEMBER EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OPEN THAT AREA. IT WAS PROBABLY AS BIG AS BEHIND THIS. WELL, I KNOW IT'S BIG. AND THAT PROBABLY HALF THE SIZE OF IT ALMOST EMPHASIZE THIS ROOM THAT I MADE. IF IT DIDN'T RAIN FOR TWO MONTHS, MAYBE IT WOULD START TO DRIVE A LITTLE BIT, BUT OTHER THAN ADAM ALWAYS WORE TO STANDING THERE JUST WOULDN'T HAVE A GO AWAY. NOW, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T MEAN. AND I THINK WHAT MR. RHINO'S TRYING TO SAY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO TO WORK AROUND IT, TO HELP YOU WITH YOUR PROBLEMS, WE'LL TRY TO DO IT, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME BUTTON MASH OR WHATEVER. AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THE WATER IS GOING TO JUST BE DRAINED OUT AND GONE AWAY ON THE STANDARD. WOULD YOU SAY? BUT FROM LAST MEETING IT WAS LIKE, IT'S ALL ONE'S PROBLEMS. AND THEN THE CITY CAN DO. AND MY CONCERN IS THAT SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE. THE PROVIDENCE ON OAK DRIVE AND COUNTRY CLUB ROAD WAS THAT NOT PRIVATE OWNERS THAT WAS ADDRESSED A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO ON THE WAY TO DUSTY CAC. WE ONLY HANDLED PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAYS LIKE STREETS, THINGS THAT EVERYBODY AT HOME. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE PROPERTIES THAT WAS ADDRESSED A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WHEN IT WENT IN AND DID GET DRAINED, HIS WORD WAS THOSE TWO PROPERTIES. IF IT AFFECTED ALL THE PROPERTIES, BUT TWO PROPERTIES IN PARTICULAR WERE NOT THE PRIVATE OWNED PROPERTIES. IS HE TALKING ABOUT DANNY? DO YOU KNOW, WHAT DID HE EXPLAIN THAT PLEASE? THAT WAS . BUT WHEN HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE ONE BOARD APPROVED THROUGH THE BUDGETS THAT WERE CUT X NUMBER OF FEET HIGHER THAN THE PROPERTY, AND IT DID SLOW IN THEIR BACKYARDS, OR DID THE FUNDING IN A PIPELINE, THE FLOODING RAINWATER RUNOFF IN THEIR BACKYARD, BUT, AND HOW LONG HAD THAT FLOODING BEEN IN EXISTENCE? PROBABLY EVER SINCE, SINCE WE, SINCE IT'S BEEN THERE, HOW LONG WAS IT THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT? WHERE THIS TELL US IT WAS DOABLE AT $1,200, BUT WASN'T HOW MANY HAMMOND, A DOLLARS A WEEK TALKING ABOUT THIS MAN THAT, I MEAN, THE FIX HIS YEAH. AND TOTALLY NOTHING. TOTALLY THESE WHERE HIS MOTHER-IN-LAW'S, THE ONLY WAY TO GET OUT, BUT THERE IS SOME MAGIC BRAINS THAT WOULD COME OUT AND WE ENGINEERED IT. AND I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER, I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY, IT'S PROBABLY $25,000, SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO INSTALL A PIPELINE. AND THERE'S NONE OTHER, I DO THAT DITCH LINE WHERE THERE'S NO OTHER PLACE TO, TO MAKE IT RUN TO A LOWER SPOT THAT MAYBE IT'S NOT INHABITED BACK INTO. I MEAN, IS THERE ANY WOODS AREA BACK WHEREVER OR SOME KIND OF RIGHT. YOU'VE GOT THE, ON THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY, SEE PEMBRO PEMBRO TELEVISION WAS PLANTED AND LAID OUT IN THE STREET GRIDS AND ALL OF THESE WERE PUT IN, YOU'D HAVE A PROPERTY BEHIND IT. UH, THE, UH, I GUESS KENNEDY'S OR ANOTHER BROTHER ON THE PARCEL OF LAND BACK THERE. SO THIS PRIVATE LAND, I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE ANY EASY RIGHT AWAY OR ANYTHING ELSE. I MEAN, YOU COULD, YOU COULD POSSIBLY, AND IT HASN'T BEEN IN THE NAVY POSSIBLY. WELL, THE NATURAL FOLLOW THE GROUND AND TRY TO RUN INSIDE BACK INTO THE, UH, TO THAT DAY. IT COMES OUT OF FOX HALL, BUT I'M NOT SURE IT NATURALLY FOLLOWS THE CHEAPEST SOLUTION WOULD BE TO FIND THEM A LOT WHEN YOUR THINGS ARE. NO, I THINK, I DON'T THINK SO BECAUSE THE PROBLEM WITH THE STEEL [00:45:01] TO SEE US FOR THAT AMOUNT OF WATER SITTING THERE. NOW, IF YOU WILL, ON A HIGH A LOT, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM. I MIGHT ASK YOU JUST THAT. UM, MS. CINNAMON SEEMED TO HAVE SOME PROBLEMS THAT MAYBE DANNY CAN MEET WITH HIM AND YOU COULD GUYS CAN SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT OPTIONS IF ANY, AND THEN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO US. I DOUBT THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO, ESPECIALLY MOST OF US ARE NOT REALLY THAT INFORMED AS TO WHOSE RIGHTS SO WHERE WE ARE OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO BEGIN. SO HE ENDS UP VERSUS WHERE THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER DOES. SO I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT, UM, MR. MEADOWS, IF YOU WILL FIND THE TIME TO GET THE MR. MCDAVID AND WHOEVER ELSE NEEDS TO BE AND GO OVER THE PROPERTY AREA AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE WAY IT DRAINS AND CONSIDER, UH, WHAT, UH, OPTIONS THAT COULD BE LOOKED AT TO RELIEVE THE PROBLEM MR. HARTMAN OFFERED THE BEST OPTION. WELL, I'M JUST SUGGESTING THAT THERE EITHER OPTIONS WOULD BE THROWN OUT TONIGHT AND WE COULD DO. I JUST THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE THAT SAME THING, DAVID AND ASSOCIATES, HE'S THE GUY THAT COMES UP HERE THAT WE WORK ON, BUT WOODROW AREA AND ALL THAT KIND OF THING. AND THEY ALL HAVE EXPERTISE AND KNOWING WHETHER THERE'S EVEN A POSSIBILITY OF SOME SORT OF A GRANT OR SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DONE, LIKE TO GET THIS THING GOING, I MADE IT, YOU KNOW, POKE AROUND AND FIND SOME SOLUTION TO IT. HOW MANY OF YOU JUST PUT A LIST OF OPTIONS OUT? AND DAN IS RIGHT AT $112,000. LET'S SAY, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU PUT THINGS UNDER THE LIST OF DOABLE AND NOT DOABLE. YEAH. FIRST OFF, IF YOU DON'T HAVE $112,000, I GUESS THAT'S ONE OF THOSE YOU PUSH ASIDE AND LOOK FOR OPTION TWO. SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE A PROBLEM, RIGHT? UNDERSTANDING, AND WE, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THERE'S SOME WAY WE CAN HELP TO ALLEVIATE THE PROBLEM. AND I THINK WHAT MR REINER SAID IS WE'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO RELIEVE THE PROBLEM IN THAT. THAT MEANS THAT EVEN THOUGH WE'RE PROCEEDING ON TO TRYING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT THAT WEEK, WE FEEL FOR YOU AND WE WANT TO TRY TO HELP YOU FIGURE OUT A WAY OUT IT, I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT FIELD IS CITIES IN BETTER POSITION, WAS A PETITION TO STATE FOR MONIES, HUNDREDS OF HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, $300,000, WHATEVER IT TAKES BETTER THAN A HOMEOWNER. THAT'S WHAT IS A HOMEOWNER. THE PROBLEM IS THEN THE CITY CAN DO THE, STATE'S NOT GOING TO DO IT EITHER. THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND IT AND WE'LL DO IT FOR A HOMEOWNER OR US OR ANYBODY ELSE WHERE YOU FOR YARD DRINKING AND TO AVOID US HAVING TO SPECULATE ON WHAT COULD OR COULD NOT BE DONE IF WE WOULD ALLOW MR. MCDAVID TO GET LINKED UP. MR. MATT KNOWS. AND THEY LOOK AT OPTIONS AND SOLUTIONS BECAUSE WE KNOW WE JUST CAN'T. HOW ABOUT DOING THAT? AND JUST GIVE IT TO ME, DAVID, AND SEE, I MEAN, HE'S BEEN BOTTLING UP GRANTS. MAYBE HE WOULD SAY, GET DEMANDS FROM RELIEF. IS THAT WATER STUDIO? YES. THERE'S WATER STEWARDSHIP. AGAIN, I HATE TO DO THIS TAPE. I'M GOING TO SEND MR. WILLIAMS AT THE SAME TIME. WE'RE GOING TO BOTH OF THEM, BUT WILLIAMS ON THEIR NAME'S ON THERE. I'VE GOT A LONG LIST OF PROPERTIES DYNAMICALLY THAT WE'LL GET THE LIST. ANYBODY ELSE OUT THERE UNDER THE PETITION REQUESTING PETITIONS OF CITIZENS. OKAY. NOT WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS TO CONTINUE TO PUBLIC HEARING AND ADOPT AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND SECTION 15 DASH 15 OTHER LAND USE ORDINANCE TO FURTHER DEFINE AUTOMOBILE GRAVEYARD, JACK MOTOR VEHICLE AND SCRAP METAL SALVAGE YARD. NOW, I HADN'T BEEN TOLD RIGHT BEFORE THE GAVEL DROP, UH, MR. HARTMAN CLAIMS YOU HAVEN'T SEEN MUCH ABOUT. I CAME, REMEMBER THAT THE, UH, SCOTT DAVIS THAT WORKS WITH MR. BOARDS LAW FIRM THAT REPRESENTS THE CITY HAS LOOKED OVER THIS DOCUMENT, THAT SOMEBODY, UH, OUT OF MY BILL, WELL, THE CONCERNED AUTOMOBILE BUSINESS TYPE FOLKS THAT PRESENTED, AND HE THINKS THAT HE CAN ADDRESS ALL OF THIS BY CHANGING SOME LANGUAGE ONE MORE TIME AND THIS AND THAT PROPOSAL. SO HE CAN WIPE OUT YOUR CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE IN THIS THING. SO WHAT THEY WANTED TO PROPOSE TO DO IS TO GO BACK ONE MORE TIME AND EVEN PUT SOME LANGUAGE BACK IN IT THAT ADDRESSES YOUR CONCERNS IN THERE. AND WE'LL GO AT IT AGAIN. DOES ANYBODY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH US DOING THAT? YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING CONTRARY OR WHATEVER TO IT TONIGHT, IF NOT, THAT'S WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO. BECAUSE AS WE STATED IN THE LAST TWO [00:50:01] MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AS FAR AS CLEANING UP THE CITY. BUT ALSO I THINK EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT WE'RE NOT HERE TO PUT SOME HARDSHIP ON THE BUSINESS, ON THOSE AND NOT EVEN, UH, AN UNWITTING HARDSHIP BECAUSE OF THE LANGUAGE SOMEBODY COULD MISCONSTRUE IT OR WHATEVER. SO, UH, YOU KNOW, TURNING INSIDE, I THINK THEY CLEANED IT UP FOR THAT, BUT IS THAT A CORRECT ASSESSMENT OF WHEN I WAS AT FAULT? DOES ANYBODY HERE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT AND SHANNON UP TONIGHT ABOUT THAT? IF YOU DO RAISE YOUR HAND, ALL RIGHT, COME FORWARD. AND WE ALREADY HAVE, WE ALREADY HAVE BORDERS ON THE BOOKS. NOW NOTICE THIS SEPARATE INVESTMENT HERE. I DIDN'T, MATTER OF FACT, IT WAS PART OF LANGUAGE. IT WAS IN POLICING, BUT I WOULD DEFINITELY, I GUESS THE ANSWER IS NO, THEN THAT'S A SEPARATE, SEPARATE THAT NUMBER. WE CONTINUE THIS PUBLIC HEARING TO THE NEXT MEETING. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, IF NOT ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE, MR. MAYOR, BEFORE YOU GO ON, UH, REGARDING THIS GENTLEMAN WAS QUESTIONED ABOUT, UH, ABANDONED VEHICLES OR JUNK VEHICLES IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS SOMETIMES ON FORTUNATELY, BUT BEING VERY TRUTHFUL. WE, WE GET USED TO SEEING A VEHICLE SETTING IN ONE LOCATION FOR SO LONG THAT WE, IT TENDS TO BECOME INVISIBLE TO US. SO IF THERE IS A PROBLEM VEHICLE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, IF YOU WOULD LET YOUR ALDERMAN KNOW ABOUT IT, UH, I RAN ACROSS ONE THAT I HAD PASSED MANY TIMES BEFORE AND THE THIRD WARD LAST WEEK AND SUDDENLY OCCURRED TO ME THAT HAD BEEN THERE FAR TOO LONG AND HAD NOT BEEN TOUCHED, HAD NO LICENSE ON IT, ET CETERA. SO I NOTIFIED THE PROPER DEPARTMENT, BUT IF THERE IS A PARTICULAR VEHICLE, IF IT'S CAUSING YOU CONCERN, IF YOU WOULD LET THE ALDERMAN FOR YOUR WARD KNOW ABOUT IT, THEY'LL SEE WHAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT IT. OKAY. AND JUST PASS IT ALONG TO THE ALDERMAN DEAL. HE'LL PASS TO THE RIGHT DEPARTMENT. SEE WHAT WE CAN GET DONE ABOUT IT. OH, SHE OR SHE WAS OKAY. OH, LET'S RUN AND GET PAID FOR IT. I JUST CAN'T. HOLD ON. I BELIEVE IT. BUT ANYWAY, NUMBER SIX, THEN THE NEXT THING IS THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE 2000 2001 LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT BLOCK BRANCH, CHIEF COLUMBIA, MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UH IT'S ONCE AGAIN, TIME TO CONSIDER THE LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT BLOCK GRANT FOR 2000, 2001. THIS YEAR'S FUNDS THE GRID AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR THE GRANTS WENT DOWN THIS YEAR, AS IT, AS A RESULT OF THE OVERALL FUNDING FOR THE PROGRAM, FEDERALLY FUNDING FOR THE PROGRAM. UH, LAST YEAR WE WERE AT AT 74,000 AND CHANGE. AND THIS YEAR, THE GRANT PORTION IS $59,397. THE C'S MATCH IS ALSO DOWN AS A RESULT OF THAT. AND IT'S DOWN TO $6,600 FOR A TOTAL OF $65,997. THE PROPOSAL FOR THIS YEAR IS TO CONTINUE WITH THE TECHNOLOGY ADVANCES WITHIN A DEPARTMENT, THE LAST THREE BLOCK GRANTS WE'VE USED TO DEVELOP THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR COMPUTERS AND A DEPARTMENT, UH, WORK ON THE MICROWAVE SYSTEMS AND THE SOFTWARE AND HARDWARE THAT THE DEPARTMENT NEEDED. PUTTING COMPUTERS ON WORKSTATIONS AT EACH, FOR EACH OFFICER AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THIS YEAR'S BLOCK GRANT, WE ARE IT'S THE BEGINNING. IT'S ONLY THE BEGINNING OF OUR ATTEMPTS TO BRING THAT TECHNOLOGY OUT INTO THE FIELD FOR THE OFFICERS AND THE POLICE CARS. SO WE'RE LOOKING THIS YEAR AT MOBILE TECHNOLOGY, UH, MOBILE, UH, COMPUTER TERMINALS IN THE CARS, THE BEGINNING OF THAT PROCESS, UH, THE ABILITY TO DO A MOBILE DATA DISPATCHING, UH, RATHER THAN DOING EVERYTHING BY FORCE, WE WOULD ACTUALLY SEND INFORMATION TO THE CALL TO THE CARS. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF THAT RADIO INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE. WE'VE GOT SOME OF THE SOFTWARE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE NOW, UH, WITH THIS, UH, BLOCK GRANT WOULD BE MOVING TO, UH, PUT THE ACTUAL HARDWARE INTO CARS. UH, IT REQUIRES THE REASON WHY I SAY BEGINNING IS BECAUSE THE CURRENT TECHNOLOGY THAT COSTS IS ABOUT EIGHT TO $9,000 PER CAR TO PUT A COMPUTER IN THE CAR THAT INCLUDES THE RADIO MODEM AND ALL OF THE OTHER, THE MOUNTING AND THE BRACKETS AND ALL OF THAT. SO IT'S NOT A CHEAP WAY TO DO BUSINESS. AND SO OBVIOUSLY THE $66,000, ISN'T GOING TO GET US ALL 65 PATROL CARS, BUT IT'S A BEGINNING. WE'RE NOT GOING TO USE IT EXCLUSIVELY FOR THAT, BUT THAT'LL BE THE MAJOR EXPENDITURE I WOULD DO. IF YOU HAD THAT TECHNOLOGY AND PROTECT THE CARS, WOULD THAT CAUSE YOU TO RECONSIDER, RECONSIDER, TAKE A CAR, EXPLAIN WITH THE FIRST HIGH TECH CAR, WHEN I [00:55:01] MAKE THE CONSIDERATION COME THAT CAR, AM I ON DISPLAY AND DOING CERTAIN WORK AND THE PEOPLE CHANGE WITH IT? WELL, THERE'S A LOT OF CONSIDERATIONS. WHEN, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE USE OF A POLICE CAR, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY YOU WENT TO, UH, INDIVIDUALLY, UH, OPERATED POLICE CARS, WE HAD IN THE CAR SIGN FOR THE OFFICERS IS FOR THE, THE LONGEVITY OF THE CAR, RIGHT? THE CAR LASTS. THE LASTING IS NOW ABOUT SEVEN YEARS. UH, WHEN THEY'RE ASSIGNED ON A 24 HOUR CLOCK, THEY DON'T LAST, BUT ABOUT TWO OR THREE YEARS. SO THERE'S A LOT OF CONSIDERATION THERE. AND THE OTHER THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS HERE TOO, WHERE NOT EVERY CAR NECESSARILY HAS TO HAVE ONE OF THESE WHERE THE COMPUTER CAN BE SIGNED OUT AND MOUNTED INTO THE CAR, LIKE PLUGGED INTO THE CAR SO THAT WE MIGHT NOT HAVE TO HAVE A COMPUTER FOR EVERY SINGLE CAR, UH, MOUNTING A CHORUS RADIO MODEMS, BUT MAYBE NOT THE COMPUTER ITSELF. SO THERE ARE OPTIONS. WHEN YOU SAY THIS, I WOULD GET MY FAVORITE TOY GPS, DISPATCHERS, AND SIT BACK AND TEAR AWAY. EVERY CAR IS IN THAT WAY FOR THIS PROBLEM, THEY CAN BEST THE BEST RESOURCES. YEAH. I DON'T THINK WE'RE NECESSARILY THAT FAR FROM IT. CERTAINLY THE RADIO SYSTEM HAS THE CAPABILITIES. UH, IT'S ANOTHER PIECE OF THE OVERALL PUZZLE. UH, THE, THE PLANS ORIGINALLY WHEN YOU WENT TO 800 MEGAHERTZ, WAS TO DO THAT. THAT'S NOT, UH, SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE IMPOSSIBLE TO DO, BUT IT'S A CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU'RE EXPANDING RESOURCES OF WHAT'S MORE VALUABLE THAN WHAT ELSE IS, WHAT ELSE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. SO IT'S CERTAINLY DOABLE. IT'S AN EXPENSE WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT AND SEE WHAT THE, THE BENEFIT OF THAT WOULD BE OVER THE, THE REASON WHY THE COMPUTERS ARE IMPORTANT IN THE CARS, BECAUSE IT PROVIDES INFORMATION TO THE OFFICER FOR HIM OR HER TO DO THEIR JOBS. UH, WE TALK ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO RUN, UH, YOU KNOW, WANTS AND WARRANTS AND DRIVER'S LICENSE CHECKS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS INSTANTANEOUSLY FROM THE CAR WITHOUT AN INTERMEDIATE STOP COMMUNICATION CENTER, GETTING INFORMATION BACK. AND OF COURSE WITH THE 800 MEGAHERTZ BAND WIDTH THAT WE HAVE, WE CAN PROVIDE A LOT OF INFORMATION TO THE, TO THE OFFICER, FOR INSTANCE, INSTEAD OF JUST GETTING A YES, HE'S WANTED TO KNOW, HE'S NOT WANTING WE'LL KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THAT PERSON HAS BEEN CONTACTED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BEFORE PERHAPS AS A SUSPECT IN A BURGLARY, PERHAPS THERE'S A BOLO, IT DOESN'T CONSTITUTE AN ARREST WARRANT, BUT IT'S INFORMATION THAT MADE LEAD US TO INVESTIGATE THIS PERSON FURTHER, GIVE US MORE INFORMATION TO WORK WITH TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THIS PERSON'S COMMITTED A CRIME. SO IT'S THAT KIND OF THING THAT WE REALLY WANT TO GET OUT THERE. WELL, I WOULD THINK THAT IT'S A LOT MORE FUN FOR THE OFFICER TO CHECK. SEE IF SOMEBODY IS WANTING TO COME BACK AS A SOLID LITTLE THING ON THE SCREEN, AS OPPOSED TO COMING BACK OVER HIS SHOULDER AND THE GUY STANDING THERE IN FRONT OF HIM, IT'S MUCH MORE REASSURING. I'M EXCITED. THERE'S MUCH MORE REASSURING TO GET A LITTLE FLASHY LIGHT ON A COMPUTER SCREEN THAN A, YEAH, YOU GOT TO WANT IT GUYS STAY AND HE'S NOSE TO NOSE, BUT WE'VE COME A LONG WAY AND WE APPRECIATE WHAT Y'ALL DONE. BUT MY VISION HAS BEEN THAT THE ONE DAY TO HAVE THAT MAPPING TO SIT IN AND BE ABLE TO SEE WHERE THE FIRE TRUCKS, THE POLICE CARS ARE. AND I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RESPONSE TIME. THEN WHEN YOU SEE SOMETHING HAPPENED AND YOU KNOW, THE STATUS OF WHAT THAT THING IS, PUT EVERYTHING YOU GOT ON LIKE RIGHT THEN. AND THAT'S A FACT, AND THAT'S A REALLY GOOD TECHNOLOGY PIECE TUESDAY. WE'RE NOT THAT FAR WEST, DON'T PUT A TAIL ON A MAYOR. THAT'S OUR LAND. WE DON'T HAVE THAT MONEY, BUT OKAY. WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO? ADOPT AN ORDINANCE TONIGHT? OKAY. THERE'S NO FURTHER COMMENTS ON THAT. THE NEXT THING WILL BE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE RIVERSIDE STATION NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN, THE STENT YOU MIGHT COME FOR, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, DO WE EVEN TAKE ACTION? ANYTHING PUBLIC HERE, BUT DO WE NEED TO FORM A CLOSE OR JUST KEEP ON GOING? WELL, THERE WEREN'T ANY COMMENTS THAT I KNEW. WERE THERE ANY COMMENTS ON IT? POLICE BLOCK GRANT. NAH, NOT A PROBLEM. NOW THAT MY CLOTHES WERE CLOSED. PUBLIC HEARING. SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OKAY. I'M SORRY. NOT A FRONT PROBABLY HERE ON ROADSIDE STATION NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY'RE BORED. I'M GOING TO, UM, I'M A PICK UP PLANNER. WE'RE SIMPLE PEOPLE. SO WE HAVE TO DRAW PICTURES TO SHOW Y'ALL. SO I'M GOING TO USE ALL THE FUN TECHNOLOGY UP HERE. SAY I CAN GET EVERYTHING OR [01:00:05] I AM, WHAT AM I AT OUR HOUSE? AND MY MOM SAID ONE TIME, HOW DO YOU TURN YOUR TV? WE GET UP AND WALK INTO IT IS A MIRACLE AS YOU GET OLDER. I'M SORRY. OKAY. OKAY. CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME PRETTY WELL? I'M GOING TO TRY TO BOUNCE BACK AND FORTH HERE AND HEAR ME FAIRLY WELL. UM, THIS IS THE FINAL PRESENTATION TONIGHT ON THE RIVER STATION NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN. THIS PROJECT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS NOW STARTED IN 97 WITH MY PREDECESSOR, GREG COLA. THIS IS THE LAST, THE GHOST OF GREG'S COLA. THE LAST PROJECT THAT HE STARTED, THAT, THAT, UH, I'M TRYING TO COMPLETE. UM, IT'S BEEN AN INTERESTING PROCESS AND I'VE ENJOYED WORKING WITH IT. UM, THE FIRST THING I WANT TO DO IS NO IDEA OF THE AREA AND WHAT THIS MAP SHOWS YOU IS WHAT WE CALL THE RIVER STATION NEIGHBORHOOD IS IN THE RED AREA. IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT AREA IN THAT IT CONNECTS TO OUR NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC DISTRICTS. THE DOWNTOWN STORE DISTRICT IS IN THE BLUE AND THE RIVERSIDE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS IN THE GRAIN. SO YOU JUST SEE THE AREAS GENERALLY ABANDONED THAT POINT STRAIGHT TO THE SOUTH ON THE EAST IS THE NEUSE RIVER. AND THEN, UM, NORTH STRAIGHT AT THE NORTH COMES BACK DOWN NORTHERN CRAVEN AND THEN CUT BACK OVER TO GEORGE AND BACK DOWN TO QUEEN. SO THAT'S THE AREA THAT WE HAVE LAID OUT ON OUR CALLING RIVER STATION, NAMED IT THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS. AS WE BEGAN THE PLANNING PROCESS, UH, WE BROUGHT FOLKS FROM THE COMMUNITY AND A THREE INCH THING THAT, THAT DOESN'T SHOW UP AT ALL. IT'S VERY INTERESTING THAT FOLKS FROM THE DISTRICT RIVERSIDE, WELL, WE LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY. WE'RE VERY INTERESTED IN WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS AREA BECAUSE IT AFFECTED EVERYONE THAT LIVED EITHER IN IT OR AROUND IT. AND WE BEGAN TALKING ABOUT THINGS OF WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO, TO REHABILITATE THIS AREA, TO REDEVELOP IT AND MAKE IT THE KIND OF NEIGHBORHOOD WE'D LIKE IT TO BE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY SPOKE ABOUT FOR SO VERY IMPORTANT AS TRAINEE DEPOT OR UNION STATION, WE HAVE AN IMPORTANT STUART LANDMARKS, ESPECIALLY AFRICAN-AMERICAN HISTORIC LANDMARKS THAT ARE IN THE COMMUNITY, HAS SOME VERY IMPORTANT WHEN SHE HAD THE KING SOLOMON LODGE, WHICH WAS THE FIRST BLACK MASONIC LODGE IN THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA. YOU HAVE THE BROAN HOTEL, WHICH WAS, UH, BUILT BY AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN FAMILY FOR AFRICAN-AMERICANS AS A HOTEL AND THE AREA GENERALLY DEVELOPED FOR AFRICAN-AMERICANS. SO IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT PIECE OF THEIR HISTORY. ALSO LOOKING AT NEW IN-FIELD RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, THE AREA WAS LARGELY RESIDENTIAL BEFORE THE FIRES, THE TWO KIND OF SIMULTANEOUS FIRES OF 1922 AND LOST A LOT OF THAT RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER AT THAT TIME IN THE FIRE. IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO THINK ABOUT NEW RESIDENTIAL AREA, COMMUNITY PARKS, DETRIMENT, PAST NEGATIVE WALKABLE COMMUNITY AND ENCOURAGING INVESTMENT, ESPECIALLY COMMERCIAL CENTERS. UM, SO THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS WE BEGAN THINKING ABOUT WHAT WAS IT THAT WE WANTED THE AREA TO BE THAT, THAT THE GROUPS THAT CAME TOGETHER TALKED ABOUT, THEY ALSO TALKED ABOUT, AND, AND IT DID THIS VISIONING THROUGH A, UM, A COMPUTER ENGINE IMAGING IMAGING WORKSHOP. THAT WAS A PROJECT THAT WE ALSO WORKED ON WITH MCC, WHERE THE COMMUNITY CAME IN AND SAT DOWN AND TOOK PHOTOS OF EXISTING PROPERTIES AND SAID, NOW, WHAT DO WE WANT THIS TO LOOK LIKE? AND IT REALLY HELPED THE COMMUNITY GET A REAL GOOD FEEL AND EXCITED ABOUT WHAT WAS HAPPENING AND WHAT THE POTENTIAL FOR THE AREA WAS. SO WHEN, WHEN DID THIS WHOLE PROCESS TALK ABOUT THE PROBLEMS AND THE ISSUES AND HOW COULD WE ADDRESS THOSE, UM, A, AN ACTION PLAN, UH, WHAT MAY HAVE HAPPENED. THAT'S REALLY WHAT LEAD WINNING AND WHO NEEDS TO ADDRESS JUST A LITTLE A TABLE HERE THAT TALKS ABOUT THINGS THAT NEED TO GO ON AND A GENERAL TIMEFRAME THAT THEY NEED TO, THEY SHOULD HAVE. AND THOSE FOLKS THAT COULD HELP MAKE THAT HAPPEN, WHETHER IT'S A CITY AGENCY, A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, OR A STATE AGENCY, ET CETERA, BUT FIRST THEY CAME UP WITH A LIST OF PRIORITIES THEN THAT WE THOUGHT WERE IMPORTANT TO MAKE THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT [01:05:01] OF CAR. AND NO ONE WAS TO THE FORM AND WORKSTATION NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THIS IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE MORE LIKE AN ADVOCACY GROUP, BECAUSE YOU HAVE VERY FEW FOLKS THAT ACTUALLY LIVE IN RIVER STATIONS ABOUT 204 PEOPLE POPULATION-WISE. UM, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN THE COMMUNITY. SO THERE NEEDS TO BE A GROUP BEHIND THE PLAN THAT HELPS DRIVE IT AND MAKE SURE THAT THINGS ARE BEING DISCUSSED AND THE ISSUES AND PROBLEMS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED OR ADDRESS THE NUMBER ONE WOULD BE INFORMED, UH, PER SESSION NEXT WOULD BE TO CREATE A CONSERVATION DISTRICT. AND WHAT'S IMPORTANT OR INTERESTING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PRIORITY WAS THAT THE COMMUNITY GROUP THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER AND APPOINTED BY THIS BOARD, THEY IDENTIFIED THAT AFTER THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, THEY BROUGHT IT UP WAY FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST AND THE TOP OF LIST AND FELT THAT IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO DEVELOP A NEIGHBORHOOD OVERLAY DISTRICT, SIMILAR TO LIKE WHAT YOU HAVE IN THE GHENT NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE LONGWORTH NEIGHBORHOOD THAT SETS SOME BASIC CRITERIA FOR DEVELOPMENT OF, ESPECIALLY IN TERMS OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WE HAVE TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT HOUSES ORIENTED TO THE STRAIGHT, UM, FRONT PORCHES, KIND OF GIVEN THAT, THAT, UH, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD FEEL SIMILAR TO THE HOMES THAT ARE, THAT ARE ACTUALLY LIVE THERE. SO THEY FELT THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT. THIS ONE'S A LITTLE SCHOOLWORK, BUT ALSO AGREEMENT. I JUST THOUGHT TO SAY AT THIS POINT, OF COURSE, UNION STATION IS STILL AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT PROPERTY. AND EVEN THOUGH THE OLD SEWING ROOM WE WEREN'T ABLE TO HOLD ON TO THAT, THAT PROPERTY IS STILL VERY IMPORTANT AND PIVOTAL IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT OF THE AREA AND WHAT HAPPENS TO THE GENERAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE AREA. AND SO IT'S NOT BECAUSE THE BUILDING ISN'T THERE, THE LAW ITSELF IS STILL VERY IMPORTANT PIECE OF THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S GOT TO HAPPEN THAT, THAT LOCK FOR DEVELOPMENT TO BE ABLE TO SPILL OVER AND CONTINUE INTO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. LET ME ASK A QUESTION. TRAIN STATION IS THE KEY THAT THE SPEND, THE WHOLE SUCCESSFUL CULMINATION OF THAT THING WILL CAUSE THE REST OF IT AS VERY, VERY KEY ELEMENT. NO, YES, THAT'S TOTALLY GREAT. I THINK THAT ONCE THAT PIECE HAPPENS, THERE'S, THERE'S THINGS HAPPENING NORTH MCRAVEN, UH, THERE'S THERE'S REHABILITATION GOING ALONG THERE'S PEACE AVENUE, A RIVERSIDE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS ALREADY MADE THINGS HAPPEN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD PARK. THERE THERE'S THERE'S LITTLE THINGS HAPPENING, BUT THIS IS A PROPERTY THAT UNION STATION, UM, IS JUST PIVOTAL. PROBABLY ONCE THAT HERS IT'LL BE LIKE A WILDFIRE AND THINGS WILL, IT'LL BE ALMOST SEAMLESS WHERE YOU CAN'T RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN PHYSICALLY SEE WHAT THE DOWNTOWN STORE DISTRICT STOPS AND STARTS OR STOPS, AND THIS AREA BEGINS. SO I THINK IT WILL ALMOST BE SEAMLESS AND IT'LL BE A WHOLE AREA THAT'S REDEVELOPED AND CONNECTED TO THE RIVERSIDE HERE. UM, ALSO BRAND PROGRAMS FOR ASSESSMENTS AND ADAPTIVE REUSE OF THE PROPERTIES. THERE'S A BNB STRONG INDUSTRIAL HERITAGE THAT THE AREA HAS THERE'S OP THERE'S THE PERCEPTION THAT THERE COULD BE CONTAMINATED PROPERTY. SO WE'VE DEALT WITH THAT IDENTIFIED BROWNFIELDS ABATEMENT DID WHATEVER HAD TO BE DONE IN ORDER TO, TO ASSESS THAT AND BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD. THEN WE NEED TO SEEK OUT THOSE GRANT PROGRAMS AS THEY ARE AVAILABLE. AND THAT'S SOMETHING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND STAFF THAT WE CAN DO ALSO TO ENCOURAGE APPROPRIATE INFILL HOUSING, UM, LOSS MS. MANN HOUSING DURING THOSE FIRES. AND THERE NEVER HAS BEEN A REAL, UH, SPURT BELLMONT TO, TO RECLAIM THAT AREA RESIDENTIAL AREA, THAT IT ONCE WAS SO APPROPRIATE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THAT AREA, I THINK WAS VERY, VERY COOL. AND, UM, TO LOOK AT THE MAP, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THERE IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK FROM PROPERTY IN THIS PLANNING AREA THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT IS TOTALLY UNACCESSIBLE TO THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE, UH, IS NOT BEING USED EVEN BY THE PEOPLE WHO DO OWN IT SO MUCH. AND THERE'S JUST A REAL OPPORTUNITY THERE FOR REDEVELOPMENT AND HAVING PERHAPS A WATERFRONT PREP OF PEDESTRIAN PROMINENT ALONG THE BORDER, JUST LIKE WE HAVE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. SO, UM, AS A TREMENDOUS ASSET AND THOSE THINGS WERE THE GENERAL CARDS, OTHER THINGS THAT MITCH MENTIONED IN THE ACTION PLAN IN GENERAL, [01:10:02] SIDEWALK, THE DRAINAGE AND STREET BY EVALUATION, THE DRAINAGE STUDIES ON WAY THE UTILITY PART WITH REDUCED VISUAL CLUTTER AND SOMETHING THAT THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT HAS ALREADY UNDERTAKEN AND IS BEGINNING TO WORK ON INITIATE A TREE PLANTING PROGRAM, AGGRESSIVE ENFORCEMENT OF MINIMUM HOUSING CODE THERE THEY'RE PRETTY BRIGHT MITIGATING IMPACT OF THE CONFLICT OF COMPLETELY BLAME THING THAT SOMETHING STAFF NEED TO DEAL WITH. SOME THINGS THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION CAN CERTAINLY DEAL WITH AND VARIOUS THINGS. THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE DONE POSSIBILITIES. UM, THERE AREN'T ACTUAL DOLLARS IDENTIFIED FOR THE PLAN, BUT THERE'S ALWAYS WAYS OF TRYING TO, UM, PUT DOLLARS TOGETHER WITH PLANS. AS WE HAVE FIRST OFF COURSES WITH MUNICIPAL BUDGETING PROCESS THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO GET SOME OF THESE PROJECTS, UH, IMPLEMENTED IN THE BUDGET AND THE CITY BUDGET. I THINK A VERY GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO CITY HAS IN THE NEXT FUNDING ROUND FOR TRANSPORTATION ENHANCEMENT THE 2 21 MONTHS FOR THE TRAINING. UM, HAVING APPLIED FOR THOSE IN THE PAST, BECAUSE THE RULES OF THE PAST SAID, IF IT WASN'T AN ACTIVE THE NEW T 21 FUNDS NEW RULES STATEWIDE PROGRAM THAT THEY'RE RUNNING NOW ALLOW THAT ALLOWED, UH, TRANSPORTATION HANDLING FUNDS TO BE SPENT ON INACTIVE TRAINING OR TRAINING BECAUSE THEY'RE RESTORE PROPERTIES IN SOME PROJECTS HAVE ALREADY DONE AND SAID, THERE'S A REAL GOOD OPPORTUNITY IN THE NEXT WALK GRANTS. THIS AREA HAS NOT SO MUCH A FALL HEIGHT IN THE PAST BECAUSE THERE ISN'T THE INTENSE NEED. UM, AS, UH, AS SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT WE HAVE, BUT CERTAINLY THERE'S THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR LOCAL OPTION FUNDS. THEN LOCAL CLAIMS HAVE BEEN FOR COMMUNITY REINVESTMENT. SO THIS WOULD BE A COMMUNITY THAT WE WANT TO TRY TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO THINK ABOUT INVESTMENT TAX TAX PROGRAMS, STATE, AND FEDERAL IS 40% OPPORTUNITY FOR TAX CREDITS, FORTUNATELY, PRIVATE FOUNDATIONS. UM, THEY ARE QUITE A FEW OF THOSE OUT THERE THAT WE NEED TO JUST MAKE SURE, KEEP OUR EYES OPEN AND TAP INTO OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE WHO JUST WANT TO TRY TO DO SOME GOOD WORK. SO THOSE ARE THE FUNDING POSSIBILITIES THAT THIS PLAN AGAIN HAS BEEN TO THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE, THE, UM, WE HELD A COMMUNITY MEETING THAT WAS VERY WELL ATTENDED, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS VERY WELL ATTENDED. IT WAS BEST 75 PEOPLE AT THAT MEETING. AND, UM, AND WHEN WE TOOK PUBLIC COMMENTS, BUT FOR GENTLEMEN GENERALLY IN FAVOR OF IT, THERE WAS SOME GOOD QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP. UM, IT'S BEEN BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD, THEY REC HAVE RECOMMENDED THAT THIS BOARD CONSIDER ADOPTING THE PLAN. AND IT'S ALSO BEEN TO THE PRESERVATION COMMISSION AND THEY HAD THE SAME RECOMMENDATION. I APPRECIATE Y'ALL TAKING THE TIME IF I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HER. WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP . AND THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING, DOES ANYBODY ON THE BOARD HAVE ANY COMMENTS FOR HER FULLY OPEN TO THE, I NEED ONE QUESTION THAT STAMPED MIGHT BE AN ANSWER THAT EVERYTHING ALONG CRAVEN STREET IS ALSO INCLUDING OFF CRAVEN STREET WHERE THE LUMBERYARD AND EVERYTHING. UM, IF THEY'RE CLOSING, IS ISN'T THERE SOMETHING, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT IS, WHERE IF IT'S NOT USED A CERTAIN LENGTH OF TIME THAT IT CAN'T GO BACK INTO THE LUMBERYARD. WHAT IS IT THAT USAGE IF IS A NON-CONFORMING USE SO, I MEAN, ON LUMBERYARD UNDER THE CURRENT, CORRECT ME WHEN I'M ON, I'M SURE WE'LL BE UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING. IT COULD BE ALONE. IT'S NOT PROHIBITED UNDER ARCHIVIST. EXACTLY. AND A GOOD REASON I ASKED BECAUSE IF THEY'RE GOING TO CLOSE AND WE'RE GOING TO REALLY MAKE AN EFFORT TO PUSH THIS PLAN, I'M THINKING ABOUT WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO IN TERMS OF ZONING, AS THINGS BECOME VACANT. AND I, AND I DON'T, I'M JUST THROWING [01:15:01] IT OUT. YOU NEED TO LOOK IT UP, DISCUSS THAT LATER ON. BUT AT SOME POINT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE A PROJECT, YOU JUST NEED TO ELIMINATE SOMETHING. RIGHT. OKAY. THANKS. VERY GOOD POINT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO JUST HELP US TO THINK ABOUT IT. OKAY. RIGHT. YEAH. COME UP. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO STATE YOUR NAME AND SO FORTH, UH, FINE. TUNE THIS. IF YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, IS THAT GOING TO BE A GOVERNING BODY, LIKE THE HPC OR A SACK GOING TO BE JUST, HOW IS THAT GOING TO WORK? OH, YOU GOING TO THE LIMIT AND WOULD HAVE KNOWN, WOULD BE LIMITED UH, NEW, UH, NEGATIVE. THAT SOUNDS GOOD. AND WE APPRECIATE THE INPUT CAUSE UH, YOU KNOW, ALL THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE SO FAR IN THE CITY TURNED OUT REAL WELL. SO WE APPRECIATE ALL THE INPUT WE GET. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY, ANY COMMENTS MOST OF YOU PROBABLY STUDIED THIS THING, LOOKED AT IT ONLY ANGLED. SO NO OTHER COMMENTS AT THIS POINT, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, IF NOT ALL IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING, SAY HI, NEXT THING IS A CONSENT AGENDA. THE PLANE BARBARA, HE DIDN'T MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THE PLANE IN THE RIVERSIDE UM, WELL, I MIGHT HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THAT THE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO US. OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NOT, I BELIEVE I SAID THE BOYS ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED THAT NOW THE CONSENT WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF GENTLEMEN, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THE ROLE PLAYS NIGHT. YES, YES, YES, YES. WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE YEAH. MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD ON THE, UH, ITEM 13, THE INTENT TO APPLY FOR GRANT THE, UH, I BELIEVE THE INFORMATION YOU HAD INDICATED WE'RE GOING TO APPLY FOR A GRANT OF ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS AND THE MILLION IS THE MAXIMUM THAT WE COULD GET THE LETTER OF INTENT WE'RE GOING TO SEND OUT. IT'S GOING TO BE BASED ON WHAT THE MOST REALISTIC THING THAT WE THINK WE CAN GET, WHICH IS PROBABLY GOING TO BASE ON WHAT LASTS. AND THAT MAY BE 600,000 INITIALLY. SO I JUST WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE OF THAT, THAT YOU DIDN'T THINK YOU WERE VOTING ON ONE THING AND THEN SEE SOMETHING ELSE LATER ON. OH, SO I BELIEVE THAT DR. WORK IN PARKS AND RECREATION TO SECURE THIS INTERNET. THERE ARE NO MATCHING FUNDS REQUIRED THIS, NO, THIS IS A GRANT FROM THE REYNOLDS FOUNDATION THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO GET, WHICH REALLY MEET SOME OF THE OBJECTIVES OF THE COMMUNITY MEETING THAT THEY HAD DOWN THERE FOR THE GREATER DUFFIELD AREA, THE STRATEGIC PLAN, SOME OF THAT [01:20:01] PRIVATE, UH, I GUESS YOU'D SAY, UH, WHAT'S THE WORD I'M FOR PHILANTHROPY. THAT WAS A LOT OF, A LOT OF GOOD AMOUNT OF WAREHOUSE, WHICH IS GREAT. ANYWAY, IN ANY PART OF TOWN. YES, SIR. I HAVE ONE APPOINTMENT. UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE AN APPOINTMENT TO THE ELECTRIC SERVICES BOARD. MR. WINIFRED, WALTER ALLEN, UH, HAS COME FORWARD AND VOLUNTEERED TO DO THIS WORK. AND HE'S ALSO A VOLUNTEER OVER AT SAFE HAVEN. SO HE'S VERY INVOLVED IN DOING THINGS IN THE CITY AND I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE HIM FOR APPOINTMENT TO THE BOARD. IS THAT OKAY? THAT'S A CO-PAYMENT FOR OTHER DISCUSSIONS THAT NOT ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. OKAY. I DON'T HAVE AN APPOINTMENT IN OUR AGENDA. IT SAID THAT I, UM, NEED TO NOT NEED YOU TO RECOMMEND A FIELD AND AN APPOINTMENT FOR THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS AND THAT THERE WILL BE A MEMO FROM MR. GEORGE, BUT I DIDN'T SEE OH, I JUST MADE AN APPOINTMENT LAST TIME. WASN'T IT. TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. OKAY. SHE'S RESIGNING. OH, THAT'S GOOD. ALL RIGHT. IN OTHER WORDS FROM NOW AND YOU GET ALL THE OPPONENTS, MR. FREEZE. NOTHING. NO, SIR. OKAY. MISCELLANEOUS. YES, SIR. I HAVE SOMETHING SEVERAL TIMES. I HAVE DISCUSSED WITH THE BOARD, THE PROPOSAL TO REDUCE THE SPEED LIMIT ON MARTIN LUTHER KING BOULEVARD. UH, AND THIS NIGHT, UH, TONIGHT'S AGENDA. I SEE SOMEBODY ELSE WHO IS INTERESTED IN ASKING FOR THE REDUCTION OF THE SPEED LIMIT ON THAT BOULEVARD IS COMING. IT'S A LETTER FROM MCCOTTER MCAFEE AND AUSTIN ATTORNEYS AT LAW. AND THEY'RE ASKING THAT WE PURSUE, AGAIN, THIS LETTER WAS SENT TO MR. BOB MAX TRANSPORTATION BOARD. AND I WOULD LIKE TO PURSUE AGAIN WITH, UH, MR. MEADOWS, CHIEF COLOMBO'S, UH, UH, CONCURRENCE THAT WE REDUCED THE SPEED LIMIT ON THAT STREET. IT'S 50 IN SOME PLACES IT'S 55. IF YOU GET PAST THE STRIKE ZONE, A BOWLING ALLEY AND WHY IS 55 OUT THERE? I DON'T KNOW, BUT I WOULD LIKE THE BOARD TO ONCE AGAIN, PURSUE THE REDUCTION OF THE SPEED LIMIT, UNLESS I HAVE SOME OBJECTIONS, OBJECTIONS FROM THE TWO PEOPLE WHO ARE MOST INVOLVED IN SPEED LIMITS IN DEALING WITH THE OT. I WOULD LIKE TO ONCE AGAIN, PURSUE REDUCTION TO THE SPEED LIMIT TO AT LEAST 45 FROM, UH, TACO BELL AND THAT TYPE OF VELVET, UH, UH, BROAD STREET AND MAYBE ALL THE WAY TO RIVER BEND. I DON'T KNOW, AT LEAST IN THE CITY LIMITS, BUT YOU KNOW, EVERY MAN HAS A PROBLEM WITH THE SPEED AND THEN AN APP HERE TOO. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GO AT LEAST TO THE CITY LIMITS, IF THAT IS A DOABLE OR YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A 10 MILE AN HOUR. SURE, JIM, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT, THAT SOUNDS GOOD. BUT I THOUGHT ABOUT YOU ONE NIGHT WHEN I WAS COMING FROM WILMINGTON ABOUT THREE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING. NO, CAUSE WE'RE OUT AND THE SPEED LIMIT WAS APPROPRIATE. IT WAS AT WHEN THE WEE HOURS IN THE MORNING IS APPROPRIATE, BUT WHEN IT'S CONGESTED, IT'S NOT, BUT THAT'S WHEN YOU NEED MELISSA ON THE FREEWAY IN THE RUSH HOUR, THE SPEED LIMIT IS NOT APPROPRIATE. YOU HAVE TO GO SMALL AND HAVE TO GO FULL SPEED BECAUSE IT'S CONGESTED, BUT THAT'S JUST A LIMITATION. MEANING YOU HAVE TO STEAL TO DRIVE. YOU CAN'T DRIVE FASTER THAN THE CONDITION WARRANTS. IF IT'S CONGESTED, YOU GOT TO SLOW DOWN. BUT WHAT, WHY DON'T I, WHY DON'T YOU THINK OF THIS THEN AND MR. MADDEN NOW. SO WHY DON'T WE PASS DUTY TO LOOK AT THE SPEED LIMIT WITH THE IDEA THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT REDUCED AND SEE WHAT THEY COME BACK AND THINKING ON TO BE REDUCED TO OTHER WORDS, IT BOTHERS ME IN ONE SENSE OF THE WORD FOR US TO DICTATE THE SPEED. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? I DON'T KNOW THAT 45 IS THE RIGHT SPEED. UH, BUT, BUT IF, IF WE GIVE THEM AN IDEA THAT THE, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE GENERAL PATTON USED TO SAY, UH, Y'ALL HAVE HEARD ME SAY THAT. AND HE ALWAYS SAID, NEVER TELL A MAN HOW TO DO ANYTHING. TELL HIM WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE DONE. AND YOU'D BE SURPRISED BY HIS INGENUITY. AND WHAT WE DO IS GOING TO TELL HIM THAT WE THINK THE TRAFFIC'S TOO FAST. UH, ONE OF THEIR SUGGESTIONS, [01:25:01] I LET THEM COME BACK. I MEAN, THEY MAY COME BACK AND SAY, LOOK, IF YOU DROP IT 10 MILES AN HOUR, ALL THIS OR THAT, AND THAT WOULD BE SOME BAD MAN, BUT FIVE MILES AN HOUR MIGHT BE THE THING OR WHATEVER. IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S JUST MY SUGGESTION. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE SHOULD ACTUALLY BE THE ONES THAT ACTUALLY PUT A NUMERICAL VALUE ON THE SPEEDING. I'M A GET REDUCING IT MYSELF. I'D RATHER FACILITATOR VOTE BECAUSE I'M GOING TO GET, YOU KNOW, NO RE NO DISRESPECT, BUT I THINK THAT THE SPEED LIMIT, THEY HAVE POSTED AS APPROPRIATE. WELL, MR. WARD SAYS, IF THEY HAVE THE OPTION WHERE THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO PUT THE NUMBER ON, SO I GUESS IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE US TO ASK HIM TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. WE HAVE A FEELING IT MIGHT BE TOO HIGH AND SEE WHAT THEY COME BACK AND SAY, BECAUSE THEY DON'T BELIEVE . UM, AND WE DON'T NEED A PROBLEM, RIGHT? OR WHY DON'T YOU CLOSE OUT MY REQUEST ON THAT BOUNTY, YOUR WISDOM THAT WE OUGHT TO ASK THEM TO DO A STUDY, TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMETHING IS NOT DONE BEFORE WE COME BACK AND SAY, WHOOPS, FROM THE COUNTY, THEN WE JUST TELL THEM WE HAVE A SPEED LIMIT PAST US. AND I THINK IT, I THINK IT'S TOO FAST. OF COURSE, I'M NOT AT TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING EITHER. SOMEBODY SAYS, IF YOU'RE PERSISTENT, SOMETHING WILL HAPPEN. AND I KNOW THEY WON'T RAISE IT. SO LET'S ASK THEM TO LOWER OR TO REVIEW THE SITUATION AND COME UP WITH A BETTER PROPOSAL. AND THEN THEY HAS TO GO OUT. THAT'S FINE. NO, SIR. I'D LIKE TO SAY ONE, BUT MY WIFE WENT TO A, TO A CHURCH MADE MEAL NIGHT, THEN CAME BACK AND TOLD ME, AND I NEED TO PASS THIS ON. SHE TOLD ME TO PASS IT ON AND I'M GONNA PLAY. AND MOST OF THE TIME EVERYBODY, SHE WAS THE RIDE I TOLD HER. I SAID, YOU KNOW, I ASKED ONE OF THE THINGS I FOUND OUT IS MAYOR THAT'S THAT'S REALLY MIND BLOWING. AND THAT WAS THE FOLLOWING. SHE SAID THAT THAT PEOPLE NEED TO REALIZE THAT THEY BUMPED A WHOLE BUNCH OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE RETIRED AND MOVED HERE TO NEWBURGH. I DOING A, JUST AN UNBELIEVABLE AMOUNT OF VOLUNTEER WORK AROUND THE CITY. I MEAN, HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF HOURS. AND THEN A LOT OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC DOESN'T HAVE A CLUE ABOUT, AND SHE JUST WANTED ME TO PASS ON THAT, ACKNOWLEDGEMENT TO THE PEOPLE I KNEW AND ALL OF US AS KIDS TO KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK AND THE CAB SPREAD THE WORD AROUND. THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT KNOW IT'S BEING DONE. AND AS SHE PUT IT OUT OF THE NIGHT, IF THEY WEREN'T DOING IT, SHE DIDN'T REALLY KNOW HOW TO GET THAT. PLEASE, IF YOU'RE OUT THERE AND YOU WANT TO KNOW THESE PEOPLE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT CLAPPING WAS FOR YOU PRECIOUS ABOUT FOR ME. OKAY. WHAT HAVE WE GOT NEXT? THE ATTORNEY'S REPORT. FIRST OF ALL, I HAVE ANOTHER MAN. NO, SIR. THIS IS TOO EASY. I MOVE WITH JUROR SET UP. HOLD ON. FIRE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.