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CHAPEL FREEWILL BAPTIST CHURCH.
WE THANK YOU FOR THIS PRIVILEGE OF ENTERING INTO YOUR PRESENCE THIS EVENING, WE REJOICE IN YOUR ABUNDANT BLESSINGS UPON US AND INDIVIDUALLY, AND ALSO UPON THIS GREAT STATE, THIS COUNTY AND THIS CITY.
SO VERY THANKFUL TO YOU, LORD, FOR THE HISTORY OF THIS CITY, THOSE CITIZENS WHO HAVE, WHO HAVE GONE ON BEFORE US LAID THE FOUNDATION, EVEN FOR THIS VERY MEETING TONIGHT, ALTHOUGH WE THANK YOU FOR THE CHURCHES WHO HAVE MINISTERED THROUGHOUT THE YEARS, THE GOSPEL, THE LORD JESUS CHRIST FOR THE SALVATION OF OUR SOULS, WHO HAVE TAUGHT THE WORD OF GOD FOR OUR SPIRITUAL EDIFICATION.
WE THANK YOU, DEAR LORD, FOR THE CHURCHES AND ORGANIZATIONS WHO MINISTER VERY EFFECTIVELY TO THE PHYSICAL, MENTAL, AND EMOTIONAL FINANCIAL AND FAMILY NEEDS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
YOU WOULD GIVE THEM GUIDANCE AND DIRECTION IN THESE IMPORTANT MATTERS.
THANK YOU LORD, FOR THESE WHO HAVE GATHERED TOGETHER THIS EVENING, MAY YOU GIVE THESE LEADERS OF OUR CITY, THE WISDOM AS THEY CALL UPON YOU FOR YOUR GUIDANCE AND FOR YOUR DIRECTION.
WE DO THANK YOU, LORD, THAT WE CAN SEEK YOUR WISDOM AND YOU HAVE PROMISED TO GIVE IT TO US, PRAY YOUR BLESSINGS UPON THIS MEETING.
AND WE WILL THANK YOU AND PRAISE YOU FOR THAT, WHICH YOU ACCOMPLISH.
THE MAN ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL PLATE HERE, HERE.
THE FIRST THING ON A AGENDA TONIGHT IS WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT TO LIFESAVING AWARDS, THE CITY EMPLOYEES, AND MELANIE, WOULD YOU TAKE CARE OF THAT? UM, UM, MR. BROUGHTON AND
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ACTION.THE NEXT THING WE'LL HAVE THE SEWER REPORT BY THE CITY ENGINEER, EVEN THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT TREATED A TOTAL OF 170.5 MILLION GALLONS OF WASTEWATER.
IN THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER, THE, UH, REMOVAL EFFICIENCY FOR TOTAL SUSPENDED SOLIDS WAS, UH, 85%.
AND THE REMOVAL EFFICIENCY FOR VOD WAS 88.2%.
THE AVERAGE DAILY FLOW WAS 5.6 AND 9 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY, UH, WHICH IS A VIOLATION OF OUR MPDS PERMIT.
WE ALSO RECORDED AT THE PLANT DURING THE MONTH, 6.82 INCHES OF RAINFALL, UM, WHICH IS THE PRIMARY PROBLEM WITH THE, WITH THE FLOW THAT WENT THROUGH THE PLANT.
UH, THE PEAK FLOW IS 9.7 9.67 MILLION GALLONS.
UH, ON SEPTEMBER THE SIXTH, THE PHOSPHORUS REMOVAL, UH, IS WITHIN LIMITS, UH, ALL OTHER PARAMETERS OF THE PLANTER WITHIN LIMITS, EXCEPT FOR THE, UH, FLOW, THE, UM, NEWBURN WATER RECLAMATION PROJECT, UM, HAS RECEIVED THE STORMWATER PERMIT, WHICH MEANS THAT WE CAN BE AGAIN, CONSTRUCTION ON THE, UM, STORMWATER FACILITIES THAT WILL BE REROUTED AROUND THE, UM, ORDER RECLAMATION PROJECT.
UH, WE HAVE RECEIVED AN APPROVAL FROM, UM, DINAR FOR THE, UH, LAKE MANAGEMENT PLAN.
AND WE HAVE ALSO, UH, JUST SPOKE TODAY WITH, UM, DAM SAFETY AND THEY HAVE SOME COMMENTS AND IT BASICALLY REQUIRES, UM, HOW WE DEAL WITH THE SPILLWAY.
THEY WANTED AN EMERGENCY SPILLWAY SO THAT THE, UH, FACILITY IS NOT OVERRUN BY EITHER STORM FROM THE OUTSIDE.
I WORK OVERFILLING FROM THE INSIDE AND WHEN ACTION IN THERE.
AND, UM, IT'S A MATTER OF DOING A SPILLWAY DESIGN FOR THOSE FOLKS AND, UM, FINALIZING SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT THEY'VE HAD.
UH, THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, UH, IS, UH, DESIGN IS, UM, PROGRESSING.
UM, THE CONTRACT ENGINEERS ARE TO ANSWER ALL RESPONSES TO THE, UM, REVIEW FIRST REVIEW THAT WAS DONE BY THE STATE.
UM, BY THE END OF THIS MONTH, THEY SHOULD PRESENT THAT BY FRIDAY.
AND, UH, WE WILL WAIT ANY FURTHER COMMENTS FROM THE STATE ON THAT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THOSE PROJECTS OR THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT BEFORE YOU MENTIONED THAT WE WERE IN VIOLATION OF ONE OF, ONE OF THOSE NUMBERS, WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT CORRECTING THAT VIOLATION OF WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO ACTUALLY RIGHT NOW? UM, I HAVE ALREADY BEGUN TALKING WITH A FIRM TO DO AN INFILTRATION AND INFLOW STUDY.
WE HAVE SEVERAL AREAS OF THE CITY AS THE CITIZENS KNOW THAT WATER ACTUALLY STANDS IN THE STREET.
WE HAVE MANHOLES IN THE STREET AND WATER ENTERS INTO OUR STORM SYSTEM.
THAT WAY WE HAVE FOLKS THAT HAVE, UM, SYSTEMS THAT RUN FROM THEIR HOME OUT TO THE STREET THAT HAVE CLEAN-OUT CAPS THAT ARE KNOCKED OFF, CUT OFF BY LAWNMOWERS OR WHATEVER THAT ALLOW A RAINWATER ENTER IN THE SYSTEM.
WE ALSO HAVE OLDER PARTS OF THE SYSTEM, UH, HAVE PIPES THAT LEAK, AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF, UH, SIMULATING A CONSTRUCTION CREW THAT WILL BEGIN TO REHAB SOME OF THE OLDER SECTIONS OF THE CITY.
AND SO THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT, UM, MUST BE DONE AS WE ENTER INTO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW PLAN IS TO BEGIN FINDING OUT WHERE OUR INFILTRATION INFLOW PROBLEMS ARE ADDRESSING THOSE AND FIXING THEM.
UH, WE'RE ACTIVELY BEGINNING THAT PROCESS NOW, WHAT IS THE PROJECTED LIFE EXPECTANCY? AND I KNOW THAT THESE THINGS ALWAYS COME UP SHORT, BUT WHAT IS THE EXPECTED LIFE REJECT A PROJECTION OF THE RENOVATED PLANT? ONCE THE PLANT HAS BEEN FINISHED, THE NEW PLANT, THE NEW PLANT, UM, WHICH IS ESTIMATED TO COST AROUND $18 MILLION IS BEING DESIGNED FOR GROWTH FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
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AND THOSE ARE DONE BASED ON POPULATION AND FLOW PER CAPITA.UM, UH, IT TOOK INTO ACCOUNT A LOT OF, UM, EXTRANEOUS, UH, GROWTH.
UH, WE THREW IN SOME NUMBERS THAT WERE, UH, OUR BEST GUESS AS TO WHAT ADDITIONAL FLOW MAY COME ON THERE.
AND THE STATE THEN THROWS AN ADDITIONAL 10% ON TOP OF THAT.
WHAT IS OUR CURRENT REQUIREMENT FOR STORM RUNOFF, UH, ANALYSIS OF WHATEVER, TO DETERMINE IF WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT CHANNELING THE STORM WATER INTO A TREATMENT TYPE SITUATION.
UM, THEY LIKE TO SEE INFLOW AND INFILTRATION SOME HORROR BELOW 15% OF YOUR TOTAL FLOW.
AND IN OUR CASE, IN, IN RAINFALL EVENTS, WE HAVE AN IMMEDIATE REACTION, BUT IT IS NOT A CONTINUING, UH, INFILTRATION.
IT IS ACTUALLY AN INFLUX, BUT ARE WE HAVING TO MONITOR THE STORM DRAINS WHERE THEY ENTER, FOR EXAMPLE, THE RIVER, JUST THE RUNOFF FROM THE STREETS AND GO INTO THE STORM DRAIN? WELL, UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S NOT MY AREA OF EXPERTISE.
UM, UH, MR. MEADOWS HANDLES THE STORM WATER.
I HANDLED JUST THE SEWER COLLECTION SYSTEM AND THE WATER DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM.
THERE ARE REGULATIONS THAT ARE BEING PASSED DOWN THAT WILL ACTUALLY REQUIRE US TO MONITOR NITROGEN DISCHARGE TO THE RIVER FROM OUR STORMWATER SYSTEM OFFSITE.
I JUST COULDN'T REMEMBER IF THEY HAD GONE INTO EFFECT YET.
I THOUGHT THEY HAD, BUT I WASN'T SURE NO.
I, IF I'M MARKING STAKING, DANNY, JANUARY OF 2003, THAT'S FOR SOME SOMEWHERE IN JANUARY, 2003, EXCUSE ME, THAT AT THE TIME WITH WHAT THE CORE ENGINEERS ARE DOING WITH PORTSMOUTH, WE WILL, ONE OF THE MAJOR, ONE OF THE MAJOR, UM, BENEFITS OF DOING THE WATER RECLAMATION PROJECT FOR DISCHARGING.
OUR EFFLUENT TO THAT QUARRY IS THAT WE ARE ALSO CREATING A STORM WATER RETENTION POND, UH, IN THAT A HUNDRED ACRE CIRCULAR LAKE THAT'S TO THE WEST OF THE MAIN BODY OF WATER, UH, WHICH ALSO HELPED IN, IN DEALING WITH DANNY'S REGS IN JANUARY OF 2003.
SO THAT'S AN ADDED ADVANTAGE TO THIS PROJECT.
YOU MENTIONED THE AMOUNT OF RAINFALL THIS BASKET, WAS THAT COMPARABLE TO LAST YEAR, THIS TIME, OR WAS IT ALL WE BETTER OFF THIS, THIS YEAR OR NOT THE SENTIMENT? UM, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THAT, UH, RAINFALL FOR JULY, AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER WAS WELL ABOVE NORMAL.
UM, I KNOW IN JULY AND AUGUST 4 58 DAY PERIOD, THERE, THERE WERE 50, UH, 37 INCHES OF RAIN THAT WERE RECORDED BY CITIZEN NEAR THE COURT.
UH, WELL, SEPTEMBER WAS, UH, ABOUT SEVEN INCHES OF RAIN, WHICH I WOULD CONSIDER THAT TO BE A LITTLE MORE THAN NORMAL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.
THE NEXT ITEM, UH, IS, UH, A HAZARD MITIGATION REPORT BY THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING.
UM, I PUT A COPY OF MY NOTES AT EACH ONE OF YOUR PLACES.
MAYBE HELP HIM FOLLOW IT ALONG.
I'M TRYING TO GIVE YOU A, A PACKAGE BY PACKAGE AS WE BID THESE OUT IS STATUS OF WHERE THEY ARE NOW A PACKAGE NUMBER ONE, WHICH CONTAINED FIVE UNITS.
TWO OF THOSE ARE CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
IF Y'ALL BEEN OUT THERE, ONE ON CLARK STREET HAS ACTUALLY BEEN PLACED DOWN ON THE BACK ON THE FOUNDATION ON THE NEW FOUNDATION OR THE OTHER ONE ON 2,905 OAKS ROAD, UM, HAS SOME FLOOR SYSTEM REPAIRS WE WON'T HAVE TO DO BEFORE.
WE CAN PUT IT BACK DOWN TWO OF THOSE FIVE OR, OR RENTAL PROPERTY.
UH, WE ARE THERE AS A PRIORITY ITEM.
LITTLE, WE'LL PROBABLY DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN TONIGHT, WHICH, UH, WHICH WE, AS SOON AS WE GET THAT SETTLED, WE PROBABLY CAN PROCEED WITH THOSE TWO THERE'S ONE UNIT THAT HAS BEEN BID AND THE BID, UH, EXCEEDS WHAT HMGP ALLOWS US TO SPEND ON THAT HOUSE.
UH, WE WERE GOING TO TRY TO REBUILD THAT HOUSE AND TRY TO NEGOTIATE A LOWER PRICE.
AND MAYBE WE CAN GET THAT PRO THAT HOUSE INCLUDED IN THE PROGRAM.
THE SECOND PACKAGE THAT WAS BID, WE HAVE, UH, FOUR UNITS THAT ONE OF THE CONTRACTORS WAS UNABLE TO OBTAIN HIS LICENSING.
WE'LL HAVE THAT AGAIN LATER ON IN THE AGENDA, UH, WE WERE RECOMMENDING REWARD OR THOSE UNITS HE HAD BID ON, ON ALL FOUR UNITS ON ALL FOUR.
SO NOW YOU'VE GOT TO REVISIT WHERE WE WERE IS AN ITEM A LITTLE LATER ON YOUR AGENDA, BUT WE RECOMMEND TO GO TO THE SECOND LOW BIDDER ON BOATS DRESSED IN THIS RESOLUTION I HANDED OUT, AND THEN THERE'S ONE UNIT WHO WAS A RENTAL PROPERTY.
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BE ABLE TO PROCEED WITH THAT.THE THIRD PACKAGE, WHICH HE HAD 10 UNITS, UM, WE DID RECEIVE A SECTION A, WHICH IS AN ELEVATING BIDS, AND WE HAVE THOSE RECOMMENDED AWARD TO YOU TONIGHT, SECTION V, WHICH ACTUALLY IS THE FOUNDATION IN RETROFIT ON THOSE BEDS.
IT HAS BEEN RE ADVERTISED AND WE'LL RECEIVE THOSE ON NOVEMBER 2ND.
UM, AND WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION IN YOUR PACKET A LITTLE FURTHER TO ALLOW THE MANAGER TO AWARD THOSE.
SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND PROCEED AS WE GET THOSE BIDS.
IN THE FOURTH PACKAGE, WE HAVE RECEIVED APPROVAL BACK FROM NORTH CAROLINA DIVISION OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.
THEY HAVE SOME MINOR COMMENTS ON THOSE COMMENTS HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED THIS WEEK.
WE HOPE TO SEND THAT BID PACKAGE OUT THIS WEEK FOR BIDS TO BE RECEIVED ON NOVEMBER 20TH, UH, WITH AN EXPECTATION OF HAVING A RECOMMENDATION OF AWARD AT YOUR NOVEMBER 28TH BOARD MEETING AND THE FIFTH PACKAGE, WHICH ARE THE ONES BEING DONE DESIGNED THIS MONTH.
WE HOPEFULLY TO SEND THOSE A DM FIRST WEEK IN NOVEMBER, WHICH SHOULD BE TWO WEEKS FROM NOW.
AND IF ALL GOES WELL, WHICH I ANTICIPATE WE'LL, WE'D HAVE THOSE READY FOR YOU AWARDED YOUR SECOND BOARD MEETING IN DECEMBER, UM, ON THE ONES THAT YOU'RE DOING.
AND I GUESS CLOSER TO COMPLETION IS THE TIME THAT HAS TAKEN A NEW JOB THAT WAS SEEN TO BE HOLDING PRETTY WELL.
ARE THEY MOVING SLOW OR ABOVE AVERAGE OR WHAT? THE TIME FOR THE ONE THAT WAS ROUTINE WOULD PROBABLY BE 30 DAYS WHERE WE EXPECTED 45 FOR THE ONE THAT'S NOT ROUTINE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME FLOOR REPAIRS, AND THAT WILL TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER, BUT THE ROUTINE WHEN THEY THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO PUT IT UP AND PUT IT BACK DOWN, AND THEN I THINK THE WHOLE PROCESS TAKES ABOUT 30 MINUTES.
HOW DO WE GET A LIST OF THE NEXT HOUSES TO BE RAISED? I KNOW I'VE SEEN THE ONES THAT YOU'VE DONE ON FARC, AND I'LL BE GLAD TO PROVIDE WHATEVER YOU WOULD LIKE.
I JUST LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THEY ARE SO I CAN GO BY AND WATCH THE PROGRESS.
I'M SO PLEASED TO SEE WE'VE DONE THOSE FIRST TWO.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'VE DONE TODAY, BUT I DO LIKE TO KEEP UP ON WHAT'S GOING ON AS WE SIGN THIS, EXCUSE ME, AS WE SIGNED CONTRACTS, WE'LL BE GLAD TO GET A MR. AVERY.
IT'S NOT EXTRA WORK THOUGH, IS NOT.
IF YOU HAD IT'S INFORMATION, IT'S THIS GOOD CAUSE OFTENTIMES PEOPLE WILL CALL YOU AND ASK YOU, YOU KNOW, DO SNAKES AND YOU KNOW HOW FAR ALONG W WHEN IT'S MY TURN, BUT I'M GLAD TO SEE.
I WENT BY THERE AND THEY TOLD ME THAT MR. MADDEN HAD BEEN AT 50 FOLKS TO SEE HIM WHEN HE DON'T SEE THEM, BUT WE BOTH HAVE BREAD TRUCKS.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A PLEASURE THEN.
HAVE YOU HAD ANY COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE YOU BEGUN? NOT REALLY.
I JUST A WHOLE LOT OF WHOLE, LOT OF OLDER WORKERS, I LOST PEOPLE RIDE BY AND NOT PRETTY, JUST, JUST A LOT OF FINGERS CROSSED.
THAT'S PROBABLY KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.
THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS, UH, TO CONSIDER ADOPTING A RESOLUTION RECOGNIZING WORLD TOWN PLANNING DAY.
I'LL, UH, MAKE THIS AS QUICK AS I CAN.
UM, THIS IS A RECOGNITION THAT HAS BEEN TAKING PLACE SINCE 19 39, 19 49, EXCUSE ME.
UM, IT IS SPONSORED BY THE AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF CERTIFIED PLANNERS AND IN THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA, BY THE NORTH CAROLINA CHAPTER OF THE AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION AND THE NORTH CAROLINA ASSOCIATION OF ZONING OFFICIALS OF WHICH BERNARD GEORGE IS, UH, PRESIDENT CURRENTLY, UM, IT IS A STRATEGY TO PROMOTE A BROAD BASED AWARENESS, SUPPORT, AND ADVOCACY OF COMMUNITY AND REGIONAL PLANNING AMONG THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND AT ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT.
UH, FIVE MAIN POINTS ON THE REASON FOR CELEBRATING WORLD TOWN PLANNING DAY ONE IS TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THE ENDINGS OBJECTIVES AND PROGRESS OF URBAN AND REGIONAL PLANNING IN THE UNITED STATES, REGIONAL PLANNING, SOMETHING WE'RE HEARING MORE AND MORE OF, UH, WITH THE DISCUSSION OF SMART GROWTH, UH, AND THE RELATIONSHIPS OF SUCH PLANNING WORLDWIDE TO HIGHLIGHT THE VALUABLE CONTRIBUTION SOUND PLANNING HAS MADE TO THE QUALITY OF HUMAN SETTLEMENTS AND THEIR ENVIRONMENT.
THREE TO GIVE WORLDWIDE COVERAGE TO THE IDEALS OF URBAN AND REGIONAL PLANNING, NOT ONLY WITHIN THE PROFESSION, BUT ALSO AMONG THE GENERAL PUBLIC FOR, TO CELEBRATE OUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS A COMMUNITY AND MAKING THOSE COLLECTED DECISIONS CONCERNING OUR CITIES AND REGIONS THAT BRING QUALITY AND MEANING TO OUR LIVES, ADDRESSING BOTH CURRENT NEEDS.
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FIVE TO REMIND FUTURE GENERATIONS OF COMMUNITY-WIDE NEEDS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF NEIGHBORHOOD AND CENTER CENTER.I THINK WE'VE SEEN A GREAT DEAL OF IN THE LAST 10 YEARS WITH THE URBAN DESIGN PLAN AND THE IMPORTANCE OF DOWNTOWN AND THE CORE OF THE CITY, UH, THE NEED FOR PERSONAL INVOLVEMENT AND COMMUNITY POLICY, MAKING THE FRAGILE NATURE OF THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE NECESSITY TO CONSIDER FUTURE IMPACTS IN COMMUNITY AND REGIONAL DEVELOPMENT.
SO I BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WE WILL HAVE, UH, AN OPEN HOUSE IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ON NOVEMBER THE EIGHTH.
I BELIEVE THAT'S A WEDNESDAY, UH, FROM ABOUT NINE UNTIL TWO O'CLOCK, WE'LL HAVE SOME MATERIALS.
UH, WE MAY HAVE SOME SHORT VIDEOS AND PRESENTATIONS LIKE TO INVITE THE PUBLIC AND, UH, BOARD AND OTHER CITY AND COUNTY EMPLOYEES TO COME BY.
UH, TAKE A LOOK AT, UH, WHAT WE DO IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, LOOK AT SOME OF OUR MAPS AND SOME OF THE RESOURCES, UH, THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL, UH, TO THE CITIZENS, UH, AS THEY'RE MAKING THEIR DECISIONS ON WHAT THEY WANT TO BE DOING AND, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE FUTURE OF THEIR COMMUNITY, HOW IS THIS PROCLAMATION GOING TO BE DISSEMINATED? IT WILL BE, UM, WELL, WE'LL TALK WITH KEN HERE, UH, WITH, WITH, WITH THE SUN JOURNAL.
UH, BUT WE ALSO REPORT BACK TO THE STATE AND NATIONAL, UH, CHAPTERS, UH, TO LET THEM KNOW WHAT WE DID LOCALLY IN NEWBURN, UH, TO CELEBRATE, UH, WORLD TOWN PLANNING DAY.
MIKE, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE A UNILATERAL RIDDEN BY THE MAYOR? WHAT DO YOU WANT US TO ADOPT AS A RESOLUTION? BECAUSE IT SAYS PROXY PROCLAMATION.
HOW DO YOU WANT US TO HANDLE? UH, I WOULD THINK, UH, FOR THE BOARD TO TAKE ACTION, UH, TO ADOPT THE PROCLAMATION, AND THAT MEANS WE VOTE ON ONE SECOND.
DID WE PICK A MODE, UH, OR JUST A VOICE MODE? WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT THAT WE SHOULD HAVE ISSUED A PROCLAMATION.
IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT WE'VE RESOLVED THE ISSUE.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ADOPT AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND SECTION 15, 15, THE LAND USE ORDINANCE TO FURTHER DEFINE AUTOMOBILE GRAVEYARD, JUNK MOTOR VEHICLE AND SCRAP METAL SALVAGE YARD.
I LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION BEFORE WE GET STARTED.
UH, WE RECEIVED THIS AGENDA PACKAGE LAST THURSDAY.
THEY REVIEWED WHAT HAD BEEN WORKED OUT.
MY PLANNING FOLKS, AND DENIED APPEARS ON EIGHT PAGE.
UH, LET HER HEAR FROM A LOT OF THE, UH, PEOPLE THAT ARE ON GARAGES AND ALL, HAS THIS BEEN REVIEWED BY A PLANNING PEOPLE? AND WAS IT INCLUDED IN THE PROCLAMATION THAT WE HAD, OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE JUST RECEIVED TONIGHT? WE CAN'T REVIEW EIGHT PAGES OF THIS.
DID THE OWNERS HAVE A SPOKESPERSON? IS THERE ONE MINUTE DESIGNATED INDIVIDUAL WHO WAS A SPOKESPERSON FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS PROPOSAL? I THOUGHT WE HAD A SERIES OF MEETING WITH THESE PEOPLE TO SETTLE THESE THINGS.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS CAME FROM.
UM,
I'M PAUL MAYNARD FROM NATIONAL DISCOUNT MUFFLERS ALL, ALL LINE.
CAN YOU TELL US HOW THIS PIECE OF PAPER CAME ABOUT? DID YOU HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH MEMBERS OF OUR PLANNING STAFF PRIOR TO PREPARING THIS DOCUMENT? WE RECEIVED THE SAME PROPOSAL YOU DID THURSDAY EVENING.
AND FROM TALKING TO OTHER BUSINESS OWNERS, UM, WE MADE SOME COMMENTS AND THE EARLIEST WE CAN GET THEM TOGETHER WAS YESTERDAY BETWEEN THURSDAY NIGHT AND MONDAY.
THERE'S NOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF TIME AS A SERIES OF MEETINGS THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAD WHERE YOU WERE, YOU GUYS INVITED BECAUSE THE SERIES OF MEETINGS SINCE THIS CAME OUT WAS ONE THAT I HAD WITH MR. GEORGE YESTERDAY.
SO WE DIDN'T, DID WE HAVE MEETINGS BEFORE? I THINK THE LAST TIME WE TITLED IT, IT WAS SO THAT OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT COULD COORDINATE WITH THOSE OF YOU WHO HAD CONCERNS AND YOUR
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CONCERNS COULD BE INCORPORATED IN WHAT THEY PRESENT TO US.HAVE YOU HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY FIRST, WE SAW IF ANYTHING WAS THIS THURSDAY NIGHT, BUT THE LAST MEETING WE GOT ONE ALSO WHEN WE SHOWED UP FOR THE MEETING, NO TIME TO STUDY IT.
SO WE PUT IT OFF TO TWO WEEKS FOR THAT PURPOSE.
NOW WE'RE FACED WITH THE SAME PROBLEM.
WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO EVEN DIGEST, RIGHT? IT HAS BEEN THE DIFFERENCES THAT WE, THAT WE KNEW THERE WAS A PROBLEM A LAST TIME.
AND I THINK THERE WAS ONE OR TWO ISSUES THAT, THAT, THAT LAST TIME WAS A PROBLEM WE WEREN'T TOGETHER WITH.
IT WAS THAT MEETING HAIL TO DISCUSS THOSE ONE OR TWO ISSUES THAT THE BUSINESS WERE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH WAS THAT WAS THAT NUMBER.
MIKE, ONCE YOU ANSWER THAT AND THE CITY ATTORNEY REDRAFTED THE ORDINANCE, AND THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TONIGHT.
I DIDN'T MEET WITH MR. MORENO YESTERDAY EVENING.
UH, HE CALLED ME AND WE MET ABOUT AN HOUR OR TWO, AND WE DISCUSSED IT.
AND IN THAT DISCUSSION, UH, IT BALLED DOWN TO ABOUT THREE ISSUES, WHICH, UH, BE MORE ISSUES, THREE ADDITIONAL TO THE LAST TWO, THE LAST TWO OF LAST MONTH, THEY WERE THREE OBJECTIONS TO OUR FINAL DRAFT OF IT.
AND THOSE THAT OBJECT TO, UH, OBJECTIONS, UH, WERE NOT SUBSTANTIATED.
UH, WE FELT, UH, THE CITY ATTORNEY, UM, IN THE FORM OF A SCOTT DAVIS DID REVIEW BE SURE UNTIL WE STIRRED, IT WAS THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, THE OFFICE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY, HE HAD REVIEWED THOSE CONCERNS, AND WE FELT THAT THE DRAFTED, WE HAD ADEQUATELY ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS WITHIN THE LAWS THAT WERE ON THE BOOKS AND ALSO, UH, WITHIN THE INTENT OF THIS ORDINANCE.
AND WE FELT THAT WHAT WE HAD HERE ADEQUATELY ADDRESSES THOSE CONCERNS AND, UH, WOULD ADEQUATELY, UM, DEAL WITH THE REGULATIONS THAT WERE SEEKING.
ALRIGHT, COUSIN, FOR SOME REASON, I'M THINKING FROM THE LAST MEETING.
AND I THINK, I THINK WE'VE CONTINUED AS PUBLIC HIDDEN HEARING TWICE MIGHT, WELL, MAYBE ONCE, BUT WE HAD DISCUSSION ON IT AT A PREVIOUS MEETING.
I WAS, I WAS THINKING THAT WE CAME BACK THIS TIME, THAT THOSE TWO ISSUES THAT WERE OUT THERE BEFORE THEY'RE TAKEN CARE OF, AND THAT A FINAL DRAFT OF WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO US TONIGHT WILL ALSO BE PRESENTED TO THE OWNERS TO SAY, OKAY, FINE.
BUT WHEN WE COME IN HERE TONIGHT WITH GOOD DRAFT AND THEN ALL OF THOSE HAVE ANOTHER DRAFT THAT WE'RE NOT EVEN PRIVILEGED TO REVIEW BEFORE WALKING IN HERE, HERE WE GO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE A MOTION, TO CONTINUE TO PUBLIC.
AND AGAIN, IT'S KNOW WE'RE JUST NOT PREPARED.
WELL, I THINK BERNARD JUST STATED THAT THEY COMPROMISE TOO FAR AS YOU CAN.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND IT JUST STAY WITHIN THE MALL.
AND WHEN I ASK, WHEN I GET THESE THINGS AT THE LAST MINUTE, THAT IS A, I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT IT FELT LIKE MAYBE A STALL METHOD TO KEEP THIS THING GOING ON AND ON AND ON.
WE HAVE SENT COPIES TO THE GARAGES OF ALL OF OUR INTENTS AHEAD OF TIME.
AND I WOULD THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE SHOWN THE SAME PRIVILEGE TO GET THESE TO REVIEW.
BEFORE WE COME IN HERE, I AGREE THIS SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN UP FOR A HEARING TONIGHT.
IT SHOULD NOT EVEN HAVE BEEN ON, ON THE AGENDA WITHOUT FIRST MEETING WITH ALL THE GARAGE OWNERS.
WELL, BERNARD DIDN'T, WE HAVE A MEETING BOX FROM THE FIRST BEAT AND THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE A MEETING SET UP WITH HI CHARLOTTE SIDE, WHICH WE DID IMMEDIATELY.
AND, UH, WE OBTAINED THEIR CONCERNS.
AND THEN WE DRAFTED THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU SAW AT THE LAST HEARING WE HELD, UH, THEY STILL HAD OBJECTIONS.
UH, THAT MEETING WAS POSTPONED.
UH, THAT CONSIDERATION OF PUBLIC HEARING WAS POSTPONED.
AND WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING TABLE WITH THEIR CONCERNS WITH THEIR LETTER.
AND MINE LOOKED AT THE GENERAL STATUTES, THE REGULATIONS THAT WE NOW HAVE ON THE BOOKS.
AND WE CAME UP WITH THIS FINAL DRAFT WITH THOSE CONSIDERATIONS IN MIND.
AT THAT POINT, WE CALLED THE GARAGE OWNERS AS HE STAYED ON LAST THURSDAY TO LET THEM KNOW THAT WE DID HAVE A FINAL DRAFT.
AND, UH, SEVERAL CAME BY ON THIS FRIDAY.
UH, AS I STATED EARLIER, UH, WE DID TALK YESTERDAY AND I BASICALLY
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BALLED DOWN TO ABOUT THREE OBJECTIONS THAT, UH, AS I STATED, WE'RE NOT THERE TO SUBSTANTIATE THOSE OBJECTIONS WHERE THE CHAIN LINK FENCE THAT IS, UH, PROHIBITED AS NO PAGE SCREEN, UH, IN THE ORDINANCE AND THE HEIGHT, A SCREEN, WHICH IS A SCREEN THAT YOU CAN NOT SEE THROUGH.AND IN NEW YORK, YOU STATED A CHAIN LINK FENCES WERE NOT PERMITTED SOLVENT.
WE MIGHT GABE PLANNING AND INSPECTIONS DIRECTOR.
WE DECIDED, AS THEY SAID, THAT CHAIN, THAT FENCE WITH SLATS AND EVENTS WOULD CREATE AN OPAQUE SCREEN.
UH, YOUR CONCERN WAS THAT A LOT OF THE GARAGES ALREADY HAD MADE IT, AND THEY WANT IT TO BE ABLE TO USE THOSE FENCES VERSUS POSSIBLY A VEGETATIVE SCREEN OR A WOODEN PRIVACY FENCE.
UH, THE SECOND OBJECTIVE OBJECTION WAS THAT, UM, UH, THAT, UH, IT STATED IN, ON THE VEHICLE STORAGE AREA, THAT THE VEHICLE PARTS THAT ARE WAITING FOR REPAIR OF PEN OR PEN IN THE PICKUP OF SUCH VEHICLES OR PARTS OF THE OWNER SHOULD NOT BE THERE FOR A PERIOD GREATER THAN 180 DAYS.
UH, THERE WAS SOME CONCERN THAT THEY FELT THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE UP TO ONE YEAR GOING FROM 30 DAYS TO SIX MONTHS.
SO WE KIND OF DUG OUR HEELS IN ON THAT TOO.
WE FELT THAT 180 DAYS WAS ADEQUATE.
IF THERE WERE ISSUES INVOLVED THAT REQUIRED A LONGER PERIOD.
AND WE COULD TALK ABOUT THOSE ISSUES ON THE INDIVIDUAL BASIS, BUT WE NEEDED A BEGINNING POINT TO WORK FROM.
AND 180 DAYS WE FELT WAS ADEQUATE.
THIRD OBJECTION WAS ON THE SCRAP MATERIAL, SALVAGE YARD THAT ANY ATLANTA SEAT LAND OR AREA MORE THAN 200 SQUARE FEET, UH, GREATER THAN 200 SQUARE FEET USED, UH, OPERATED ON MAINTAINING HOLD APART FOR THE STORE AND KEEPING THIS MALE.
AND THIS, THIS IS SELLING SALVAGING, ETC.
WE FELT THAT 200 SQUARE FEET WAS PLAYING FOR ANY AREA THAT HAD, YOU KNOW, SALVAGE MATERIAL ON A SITE THAT INCLUDED A DUMPSTER, UH, OTHER AREAS WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THAT TYPE OF MATERIAL.
THE SUGGESTION WAS THAT WE WENT FROM 200 SQUARE FEET TO BETWEEN 800 TO A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
AND WE FELT 800 TO A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, WHICH WAS VERY MUCH, AND THAT THE AMOUNT OF OBJECTIONABLE MATERIAL HAD TO BE KEPT IN AN AREA THAT SIZE WOULD UNDERMINE THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE.
SO, UH, WE'D LIKE TO KEEP THE 200 SQUARE FEET.
LET ME GO BACK TO THE FIRST ONE FOR A MOMENT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND YOU.
THE, UH, SLOTTED CHAIN-LINK FENCE OR YOU DID NOT.
AND ON THE SECOND ONE, YOU SAID YOU HAD 30 TO 30 DAYS TO SIX MONTHS.
I STARTED OUT 180 DAYS FOR SIX MONTHS.
THEY WANT A YEAR, SIX MONTHS THAT YOU CAN KEEP A VEHICLE THAT'S NOT RUNNING ON YOUR PROPERTY.
HOPEFULLY WAITING FOR PARTS ARE WE EVEN HAD NO, ACTUALLY THEY'RE NOT WAITING FOR PARTS OR REPAIR.
THEY MAY BE STEWARD FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD WHILE THEY ARE WAITING, UH, WHILE THEY ARE AWAKE.
AND, UH, AND WE'VE SAID ALL ALONG THAT THE VEHICLE IS WAITING FOR PARTS OR REPAIR, THEN SIMPLY SHOW US THE ORDER RECEIPT OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.
AND THEN, UH, WE WOULDN'T CONSIDER THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THE CASE OF PARTS OF THE HARDWARE TO GET OUR COMBAT AND WELL, THIS WOULD THIS COVER, UH, I'D LIKE THE CHIEF MAYBE TO GET A WORD IN HERE, WOULD THIS COVER A VEHICLE WHICH HAD BEEN CONFISCATED TOWED AWAY FROM THE SCENE OF A CRIMINAL ACTIVITY AND STORED BY THE TOW OPERATOR? WOULD THIS BE COVERED IN THAT? AND CAN YOU FORESEE A SITUATION IN WHICH SIX MONTHS IS NOT LONG ENOUGH FOR THIS VEHICLE TO BE STORED? WELL, CERTAINLY I COULD SEE A SITUATION WHERE SIX MONTHS WOULDN'T BE LONG ENOUGH IF THE VEHICLE WAS EVIDENTIARY AND, AND WAITING FOR TRIAL, UH, TYPICALLY IF IT WAS, UM, IF IT WAS A SITUATION WHERE THE CAR HAD A THING OF PRINTS ON IT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WE WOULD WANT IT STORED INSIDE, BUT THAT'S ONLY A TEMPORARY ISSUE ONCE THE CAR HAS DUSTED AND ALL THE PRINTER WHO FROM, IF THE CAR WAS KEPT AS EVIDENCE, IT WOULD NEED TO BE STORED, MAYBE STORED LONGER, RARELY IS A CAR EVER USED THE FULL CAR USED AS EVIDENCE IN THE TRIAL.
I MEAN, I CAN'T IMAGINE PHOTOGRAPHS, THINGS LIKE THAT, OR ADEQUATE EVIDENCE IN A CRIMINAL PROCEEDING.
YOU WOULDN'T BE MOVING THE CAR INTO THE COURTROOM IN ORDER TO PRESENT IT AS EVIDENCE.
CAN I ASK FOR AN EXTENSION? UH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING.
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THAT DOCTOR SPOKE OVER.YOU HAVE TO GO TO HIM AND SAY, LISTEN, WE ACTUALLY NEED THIS CAR FOR TRIAL.
HERE'S THE, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, SUBPOENAED TO BRING THE CAR WITH US WHEN WE GO TO TRIAL.
SO WE NEEDED AN EXTENSION OF THE IDEA OF ONE THAT HAD BEEN INVOLVED IN AN ACCIDENT.
IT DOES SEEM TO PLAY INTO THAT.
IS THERE ANY LANGUAGE IN THE ORDINANCE THAT PERMIT OF GRANTING AN EXTENSION OPEN A BOOK, SIX MONTHS STORAGE, ESPECIALLY EXEMPTION, NO, THERE ISN'T WELL IN A LAND USE THERE ISN'T THE ABNORMAL VARIOUS, UH, OR, UH, SOMETHING UNIQUE IN THE SITUATION WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ORDINANCE.
YOU GOT TO GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE VEHICLE OR ONE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, COULDN'T THE INDIVIDUAL WHO'S STORING IT FOR THE COURT, ASKED FOR AN EXTENSION JUST FOR THAT SPECIAL EXEMPTION ON A ONE AT A TIME BASIS, WHAT A COURT COURT COULD PLACE AN ORDER ON THAT.
IT COULD BE AN EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES THAT THE, UH, STORAGE YARD OWNER COULD, UH BYE-BYE BUT, UH, I WOULDN'T WANT TO GRANT EVERY PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT, UH, INDEFINITE STATE 180 DAYS IS MORE THAN ENOUGH, IN MY OPINION, THE CITY OF NEW BERN TYPICALLY OPTIONS OFF THEIR VEHICLES ABOUT ONCE A YEAR CRAVEN COUNTY SCHOOL SYSTEM, MAYBE EVERY THREE TO FIVE YEARS.
UM, ARE YOU SAYING THAT CRAVEN COUNTY SCHOOL SYSTEM AND THE CITY OF NEW BERN WOULD START POCKETING THEIR STUFF ABOUT ME? I WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT.
I'LL TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, JUST LISTENING TO EVERYONE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, UH, IT WOULD BE WISE TO HAVE A PROVISION TO ALLOW THE EXTENSION OF STORIES OVER AND ABOVE SIX MONTHS, BUT TO ALLOW IT TO BE DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY RATHER THAN TO GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS, BECAUSE, BECAUSE OF THIS, IT'S EXCELLENT.
IT'S TOO MUCH HASSLE DEALING WITH THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
AND I THINK THAT, UH, GIVEN A SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES, I THINK THE, UH, THE CITY STAFF KNOW COULD DO IT MORE EXPERT DISHES IN MY OPINION.
SO, YOU KNOW, CAUSE I CAN SEE A SITUATION, UH, THAT THE CHIEF DESCRIBED ABOUT A VEHICLE, UH, BEING HELD FOR EVIDENTIARY PURPOSES AND UH, COURSE CASE LAW CONTINUED.
AND, UH, SOMETIME THEY, UH, THE, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT SEES VEHICLE, YOU KNOW, FOR DRUG PURPOSES AND THEY'RE CONFISCATED.
AND THEY, THEY GOT TO GO THROUGH THE, UH, DIFFERENT, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURES.
AND I COULD SEE A SITUATION WHERE THE BUILDER HAS TO BE STORED MORE THAN SIX MONTHS.
AND THESE LAWS APPLY TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS EVERYBODY ELSE.
I THINK TO ADD TO THAT, IT WOULD BE WISE TO REVISE IT, TO ALLOW THE, UH, ADDITIONAL TIME FOR STORAGE, YOU KNOW, AND MAKE, LET THEM STAY UP AND MAKE THAT DECISION TO HAVE A SET OF, UH, I THINK I HAVE A CRITERIA OR SOME KIND OF STANDARD THAT YOU CAN USE TO GRANT AN EXTENSION.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT NOT AN OVERALL EXTENSION.
WE HAVE NOT, I HAVE A STANDARD.
MAYBE I'M JUST THROWING UP, GOING OUT TO THE, FOR DISCUSSION.
WHAT DID YOU THINK? I THINK THAT, UH, I THINK THAT OUR DEALINGS WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO RENOVATE SUBSTANDARD HOUSING HAVE SHOWN THAT WE DON'T WANT TO TEAR ANYBODY'S HOUSE DOWN.
IF THEY'RE MAKING AN HONEST EFFORT TO REPAIR IT AND WE DON'T WANT TO TEAR ANYBODY'S CAR UP IF THEY ARE MAKING AN HONEST EFFORT.
BUT I THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET JERKED AROUND A LITTLE ON THIS, UNLESS WE PLAY FAIR WITH EACH OTHER NOW WE'VE WE WERE TRYING TO DO THAT AND PUTTING THIS THING OFF TWICE ALREADY.
AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM IF THE BOARD WANTS TO GO ALONG WITH ALLOWING THE BOARD, THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, THE DISCRETION OF IF YOU CAN PRODUCE AN ORDER FOR PARTS FOR A CAR AND THEY JUST HAVEN'T COME IN, GOT NO PROBLEM WITH THE LONGER PERIOD OF TIME.
BUT IF IT'S A STALL, GOT A PROBLEM WITH IT.
SO THAT'S THE QUANDARY IN WHICH WE FIND OURSELVES AN HONEST EFFORT TO DO THE JOB AND ABIDE BY THE RULES AND TRY TO MAKE IT A PRETTIER TOWN.
UM, IF THE BOARD AND ITS WISDOM SEEKS TO DO THAT, I WOULD NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, BUT I JUST DON'T WANT TO COME BACK TWO WEEKS FROM NOW AND START ALL OVER AGAIN.
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PLACE.AND IF IT'S BY GIVING THEM THE DISCRETION TO MAKE THESE ADJUSTMENTS AS REQUIRED IN ORDER FOR YOU PEOPLE TO MEET YOUR NEEDS TO THE MOTORING PUBLIC, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
REMEMBER WHEN, WHEN HE FIRST CAME UP, I TOOK THE COPY OUT OF MY BOOK AND GAVE IT TO SOMEONE BECAUSE I WANT IT TO BE A WORKABLE SITUATION FOR BOTH PARTIES INVOLVED, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY FAIR TO US WHEN YOU BRING THINGS UP THAT SAY, WELL, IF THIS LAW YOU'D BE ABLE TO TEAR UP A LITTLE CAR, A LITTLE PLASTIC, A KID'S PLASTIC CAR IN THEIR YARD, NOT COME ON AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT.
YOU KNOW, SO LET'S BE FAIR WITH EACH OTHER.
WE'LL WE'RE CERTAINLY TRYING TO BE FAIR WITH THIS.
AND, UM, AND LIKE I SAY, FOR THE THIRD TIME, I'M WILLING TO GIVE THE PLANNING OF PLANNING DEPARTMENT, THE OPTION OF EXAMINING EACH SITUATION.
IF YOU DO NEED TO STORE A PARTICULAR VEHICLE FOR MORE THAN SIX MONTHS, BUT TO JUST ARBITRARILY SAY, ANY VEHICLE CAN SIT THERE FOR A YEAR IS MAYBE PUSHING THE ENVELOPE.
I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT YOUR CONCERNS WOULD BE.
I THINK MR. REYNA SUGGESTED JUST TO LITTLE CHANGE, CHANGING THE LANGUAGE IN SOME WAY TO MIKE AND INSTITUTE INTO THAT, THAT YOU HAVE PROPOSED, THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE SCREENINGS
I WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO PREPARE THAT AND BRING IT BACK AT OUR NEXT MEETING AND LET'S GET THIS OFF THE TABLE.
WELL, WHY DO WE HAVE TO RUN OVER? YOU WANT TO DO IT, INCLUDE IT NOW? YEAH.
OH, IF IT CAN BE, IF THE CITY ATTORNEY SAYS THAT IT'S A, IT CAN BE DONE.
NOW I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT SINCE THE COMMENTS AND YOUR OPINION YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROCESS ARE NOT SUBSTANTIAL.
EVERYTHING IS, UH, HAS COME UP SO FAR.
IT'S BEEN PRETTY MUCH RESOLVED.
I PROPOSE THAT WE GO AHEAD AND ISSUE THE ORDINANCE WITH THE AMENDMENT THAT SUGGESTED THAT WE COULD GIVE THIS, UH, ADDITIONAL, UH, UH, OPPORTUNITY TO EXTEND ON A PIECE, UH, ONCE IN A WHILE TYPE BASIS, NOT A CAR BLIND.
I SUGGEST WE HAVE, UH, THE ISSUE, THE ORDINANCE AND GO FROM THERE.
WELL, WHAT WE CAN, WHAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO DO IS WANT TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE AT THE NEXT MEETING.
THEY PROBABLY NEED TO COME BACK WITH ANOTHER ORDINANCE, AMENDING THIS ONE, UH, SHOWING THE STANDARDS.
THEY WANT TO USE POINT EXTENSION, BUT WE CAN GO WAIT AND ADOPT FROM MY ATTORNEY AND SEE WATCH LEAGUE OR, AND WHAT MAY ADOPT THIS ORDINANCE FOR NIGHT.
THE LAW REQUIRES THAT ANY ORDERS BE PRESENTED IN WRITING.
SO YOU CAN LOOK AT IT AND READ IT AND SEE WHAT IT SAYS.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THIS MAY TO THE AMENDMENTS THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, I'M NOT TRYING TO DO IT WHILE WE'RE SITTING HERE TONIGHT, THE BOARD WANTS TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE, THEN COME BACK WITH ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING AND ANOTHER ORDINANCE TO AMEND THIS ONE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WAS IT? I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I WAS RECOMMEND AS WELL, BUT REMEMBER WHAT HE SAID, THOUGH, WE GOING TO HAVE, HAVE ANOTHER PUPPET HERE AND IT WILL BE AMENDED IF YOU AMEND, IF THE BOARD WANTS TO CONSIDER AN AMENDMENT TO IT, IT WOULD REQUIRE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING.
WELL, I DON'T THINK TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE.
AND JUST TO SAVE A LITTLE BIT OF ADVERTISING COSTS, IT MIGHT BE BEST TO TABLE IT AND REVISE IT IN THE INTERIM.
WELL, COULDN'T YOU JUST, IF YOU CHOOSE TO ADOPT IT AND CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THE NEXT TIME, CAN YOU DO THAT? THE ONE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING, BECAUSE WE MIGHT GET ANOTHER ONE OF THESE, THIS WE'RE IN A STEEL PENDING.
I THINK MOST OF THE SHIRT DID NOT ADOPT TONIGHT.
YOU WILL RECEIVE ANOTHER ONE LIKE THAT AT THE NEXT BOARD MEETING.
MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO AVOID CONTINUING THIS THING FOREVER.
IT'S ALREADY BEEN BOUNCED BACK AND FORTH.
I PROPOSE THAT WE ADOPT THE ORDINANCE WITH THE, UH, AMENDING LANGUAGE, UH, THAT YOU CAN ADD.
YES, MA'AM, IT'S NOT IN WRITING.
IT'S GOING TO BE SIX MONTHS STORAGE AND WE HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC
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HEARING TO AMEND IT.SO I'M JUST SAYING MY OWN ONLY PURPOSE IS JUST TO KEEP THEM READ HABITAT.
IT'S NOT THAT IT'S NOT A BIG THING.
THE QUESTION COULDN'T WE, UH, DIRECT THE STAFF TO HAVE LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, HE, HE MADE REFERENCE TO THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE INDIVIDUAL CASES.
CAN WE EMPOWER THE STAFF THERE FOR YOU? IF YOU DON'T MIND? OKAY.
THE STAFF KNOW HOW WE FEEL ABOUT, UH, THE, THE LENIENCY OF THE LANGUAGE THAT WE THINK NEEDED.
IT WOULD BE ADMINISTRATIVE ANYWAY, THE KINDS OF DECISIONS THAT THEY MAKE.
COULDN'T WE JUST DIRECT THEM TO, TO BE, UH, TO, TO HAVE AN IN-HOUSE POLICY THEMSELVES, AS IT REGARDS PARTICULAR INCIDENTS WITHOUT CHANGING THE, THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE LAW, MANY OF THE OTHER KINDS OF LAWS THAT WE HAVE, IT'S GOING TO BE TOO SUBJECTIVE.
IT'S GOING TO BE TOO SUBJECTIVE.
BUT SEE THE MATCH
THERE IS A DEGREE OF LATITUDE IN THE ENFORCEMENT OF ALL OF THE ZONING AND SUBDIVISION AND OTHER TYPES OF LAWS THAT WE HAVE WHERE DEADLINES ARE IMPOSED.
AND IF SOME SITUATION COMES UP THAT, UH, SOME DEVELOPER HAS A PROBLEM WITH DOING SOMETHING AT A CERTAIN TIME, PART OF OUR INTERNAL POLICY IS TO WORK WITH THAT DEVELOPER TO TRY AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT BEING TOO RESTRICTIVE ON THEM.
AND THAT WE JUST LET THEM GO BY THAT UNTIL IT KILL.
IT COMES TO A HEAD WHEN WE HAVE TO DO IT, WE'VE DONE IT MANY TIMES ON MINIMUM HOUSING.
UH, I DON'T THINK THIS WOULD BE ANY DIFFERENT THAN THAT.
AND I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT IT'S GREAT TO HAVE STAKEHOLDER INPUT HERE WHERE PEOPLE WHO HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN THIS THING ARE HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE SITUATION.
BUT THERE ARE OTHER STAKEHOLDERS WHO AREN'T HERE TONIGHT.
THERE'S PEOPLE IN THE CITY WHO WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CITY LOOK BETTER THAN IT DOES.
AND THERE ARE, UH, PEOPLE IN THE CITY TO, UH, WHICH, UH, HAVE HAD HARDSHIPS CREATED ON THEM AS A RESULT OF SOME OF THESE THINGS.
AND THEY'RE NOT HERE TONIGHT TO SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.
UH, WHILE WE HAVE IS, YOU KNOW, WE HA WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL BEFORE WE START LETTING, UH, THE PEOPLE WHO WERE TRYING TO REGULATE, RIGHT.
THE ORDINANCES THAT, UH, THEM AND I CAN APPRECIATE THEM.
AND WE WANT TO BE FAIR ABOUT EVERYTHING, BUT IN THE END, YOU HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION BASED ON THE GOOD OF THE WHOLE COMMUNITY, NOT JUST ONE SEGMENT OF THAT COMMUNITY.
SO MOSTLY CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING.
OH, WELL, I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION.
WE CONTINUE THAT WE, UM, WE NOT ADOPT THIS UNTIL NEXT WEEK.
AND WE GET A REVISED, UH, UM, ORDINANCE REFLECTING A, UH, THE OPTION OF THE ADMINISTRATION, EXTENDING THIS FOR SIX MONTHS AND HAVING SOME STANDARDS BY WHICH THEY USE TO, UH, THE TRIMMER, WHETHER OR NOT A PERSON SHOULD GIVEN, BE GIVEN AN EXTENSION FOR STORAGE.
WELL, THERE'S NO MEETING NEXT WEEK.
SO THAT MEETING, I WANT TO CONTINUE TO OUR NEXT MEETING, BUT ANYWAY, PAST FIVE, DO A HAIR SEC, HAVE A SUBSTITUTE SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
YOU CAN JUST MAKE ANOTHER MOTION.
I HAVE A SECOND BACK ALL ROLLED WITH YES, YES, YES.
THE ORDINANCE IS GOING TO GO INTO EFFECT EFFECT.
AND WHEN WHAT'S THE EFFECT OF FAKE, UM, OH MAN.
TODAY, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO JUST MAKE A STATEMENT THAT JUST LIKE ANY OTHER THING THAT WE'VE PUT IN PLACE, UH, I THINK SOME OTHER THINGS WE'VE DONE OVER A YEAR OR TWO YEARS WE'VE COME BACK AND SOMETIMES REVISIT THE
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THINGS THAT WE'VE PUT IN PLACE AND IF THEY DIDN'T WORK OR IF THEY CAUSE SOME HARDSHIP, WE CAN ALWAYS LOOK BACK AND SEE WHERE WE CAN CORRECT OR IMPROVE WHAT WE PUT IN PLATING.SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, I GUESS YOU MIGHT SAY IT'S ON A TRIAL RUN AND IT'S NOT TO, TO REALLY RUN THE ONE DOWN, BUT WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK A YEAR FROM THAT TO YOU TO SEE IF HE CREATED IN HARDSHIP, BUT SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE, WE'VE GOT TO START WITH SOMETHING.
AND PLUS, AND I JUST LIKE TO REITERATE THE FACT THAT I BELIEVE, AND I KNOW THAT THEY WILL, STAFF WILL DO THIS, THAT THEY ADOPT, OR THEY ARE ESTABLISHED WITHIN THEMSELVES THAT IN THEIR OWN POLICY OF MEANS OF GIVING THE LENIENCY THAT'S NECESSARY.
AND PROBABLY THERE'S JUST REVIEW THAT, THAT THEY THINK IF THAT'S OKAY, MR. JORDAN, OKAY.
ARE THEY GOING TO BE DOING THAT IN THE AIR? LOOKING AT THE, OKAY.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, I LIKE TO FEEL GOOD THAT, THAT YOU WILL HAVE IN PLACE SOMETHING THAT WILL ADDRESS THEIR NEEDS.
IF IT, IF IT COMES TO THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY NEED A LENIENCY OR IF THEY NEED SOME VARIANCE THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS, IF YOU WOULD HAVE AN IN HOUSE POLICY THAT ADDRESSED THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, OH, WHY DON'T WE JUST DO THIS? AND LET'S AFTER THIS ORDINANCE HAS BEEN INTO EFFECT FOR 90 DAYS, MIGHT PUT IT DOWN ON YOUR CALENDAR, GET BACK TOGETHER WITH THE GROUP AND SEE WHAT KIND OF PROBLEMS IT'S CAUSING FOR THE GROUP.
AND THEN YOU CAN MAKE A REPORT BACK TO THE BOARD AS TO WHAT'S BEEN ASCERTAINING.
IF FURTHER MEETINGS ARE NEEDED, THEN YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND DO THAT ALSO.
THAT'S WHY YOU'RE THE MANAGER AND I'M THE COOK.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING I WANT TO MENTION IS THE ONLY REASON WE'RE DOING THIS IS THROUGH THE BETTERMENT OF THE APPEARANCE OF THE CITY OF NEWBURGH.
WE APPRECIATE WHATEVER COOPERATION YOU FOLKS CAN DO TO HELP CLEAN UP THE CITY AND MAKE IT A MORE BEAUTIFUL PLACE IN WHICH TO LIVE AND WORK AND PLAY.
NEXT THING, UH, IS, UH, JUST GOING TO BE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED APPLICATION FOR THE DIVISION OF COMMUNITY ASSISTANCE FUNDS TO ASSIST WITH HOUSING DEVELOPMENT OF 24 UNITS OF OWNER OCCUPIED LOW SLASH MODERATE INCOME HOUSING ON NORTH GLEN BURNIE ROAD, BETWEEN METS STORAGE COMPANY AND OAKS ROAD.
WHO'S GOING TO PRESENT COMMENTS FROM THE CITY.
MICHAEL, ARE YOU GOING TO TALK FIRST? YES.
UH, AS YOU'RE AWARE OF THE CITY WAS APPROACHED BY REVEREND DAVID MOORE CONCERNING THE POSSIBILITY OF A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT GRANT THROUGH THE NORTH CAROLINA DIVISION OF COMMUNITY ASSISTANCE TO HELP FUND THE DEVELOPMENT OF SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UH, LOCATED ON NORTH GLEN BURNIE.
I BELIEVE THIS WOULD BE ABOUT 24 UNITS.
UH, THE WAY THE, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT HOUSING DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM WORKS IS THAT THE MONEY HAS TO COME THROUGH A LOCAL GOVERNMENT UNIT, BE AT A MUNICIPALITY OR A COUNTY, AND THEN THEY CAN WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION OR OTHER NONPROFIT, UH, TO, TO ACCOMPLISH THE GOAL.
UH, I BELIEVE THE PROPOSAL THAT REVEREND MOORE WILL BE PRESENTING TO YOU WILL BE FOR A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT GRANT TO HELP FUND THE ACQUISITION OF THE PROPERTY.
AND ALSO SOME PUBLIC FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS ON THE PROPERTY TO GET THE PRICE DOWN, UH, TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S, UH, FORDABLE, UH, FOR, UH, UH, FAMILIES.
SO WHAT WITH THAT, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW, I'LL, UH, TURN IT OVER TO REVEREND MOORE AND THEN HE CAN GO THROUGH THE DETAILS OF HIS PROPOSAL.
THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, PRO TEM AND ALL THE CITY PLANNER AND ATTORNEY AND STAFF.
UH, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR SOME TIME, UH, WITH THE CITY PLANNERS, UH, TO PUT TOGETHER A, AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
UH, THIS WOULD BE A TOWNHOUSE CONCEPT THAT WOULD BE A HOME OWNERSHIP PROGRAM.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE A, A DESIGN THAT I THINK YOU WOULD REALLY BE IMPRESSED WITH.
THIS WOULD BE, UM, FOR PERSONS MAKING INCOMES OF BETWEEN $21,500 AND $34,500.
WE WOULD ALSO APPLY FOR A NORTH CAROLINA HOUSING FINANCE ASSOCIATION, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROGRAM GRANT.
UH, IT, THIS IS VIEWS IN THE FORM OF A SECOND MORTGAGE.
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MORTGAGE AT 0% INTEREST FOR 30 YEARS.THE PRINCIPAL DUE WOULD BE $41 AND 67 CENTS A MONTH.
THE REMAINING DOLLARS WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY THE, HOW HAS IT SHOULD SAIL FOR SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 68 AND 75,000? THE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 68 AND 75,000, THE AFFORDABLE LIST IS IN IT IN THE FORM OF THE SECOND MORTGAGE AT 0% INTEREST AND BANK FINANCING.
AND WE, WE, WE TRIED TO NEGOTIATE THE BEST INTEREST RATE THAT WE CAN GET.
UM, IF WE WERE TO CLOSE A HOUSE TODAY, WE WOULD PROBABLY LOOKING AT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN SEVEN AND THREE QUARTERS AND 8% ON THE INTEREST RATE AND DEPENDING ON THEIR INCOME AND THEIR DEBT TO INCOME RATIOS, THEY WOULD BE LOOKING AT, UM, EITHER A 15 YEAR MORTGAGE, A 20 YEAR MORTGAGE OR A 30 YEAR MORTGAGE.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE NOTICED THAT IN THE, IN THE, UH, COUNTY OF CRAVEN, THERE ARE CURRENTLY, AND THIS WAS, UH, DAMAGED TO NEW, UH, OWNER OCCUPIED HOMES WAS 200 AND, AND THE DEMAND FOR NEW RENTAL HOMES WAS 100.
SO CRAVEN COUNTY FREDLUND HAS A, A TOTAL NEW CONSTRUCTION NEED OF 303 UNITS.
AND THIS COMES FROM THE HUD, OUR GUIDELINE HUD NUMBERS FOR CRAVEN COUNTY.
SO WE ARE, WE ARE PROPOSING TO DO 8 23 UNITS.
WE HAD TO LOSE ONE OF THE UNITS BECAUSE WE ARE, WE ALSO PROPOSING TO DO TWO SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSES OVER IN THE DUFFY FIELD COMMUNITY.
THAT'LL GIVE US A TOTAL OF 25 UNITS.
UM, THE DIVISION OF COMMUNITY ASSISTANCE TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, BLACK CRACK HOUSING DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM WILL ALLOW US UP TO $10,000 PER UNIT FOR HOMEOWNERSHIP.
SO THAT'S HOW WE GET THE 23 TOWNHOUSES AND THE TWO HOUSES SOMEWHERE IN THE DUFFIELD COMMUNITY.
OUR HOPE IS THAT THE CITY WOULD PROVIDE LAND FOR US.
IF WE COULD DO THE TWO HOUSES IN DUFFY FIELD, UM, THE NONPROFIT HAS, HAS MET WITH, UH, WITH SOME COMMUNITY MEMBERS, UH, UNDERSTAND THAT WE WERE, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE MEETINGS FOR THOSE WHO WERE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS AND THOSE THAT LIVE A HUNDRED FEET.
AND WE INCREASED THAT 200 FEET SO THAT WE COULD GET, UH, PEOPLE WHO, WHO WERE, UH, WE WANTED TO GET THEM INTO THE MEETING.
AND WE DID MEET, UH, WITH SOME OF THEM, AT LEAST THE ONES THAT, THAT WE GAVE NOTICES OUT TO, WE DID MEET WITH THEM.
UH, METROPOLITAN HAS, UH, A VERY NICE CONCEPT THAT, UH, OUR ARCHITECT WE'LL, WE'LL PRESENT TO YOU IN JUST A MOMENT.
WE ALSO HAVE A VERY STRONG TRACK RECORD.
UM, WE HAVE, WE'VE DONE FIRST-TIME HOME OWNERSHIP BEFORE IN BEAUFORT COUNTY, IN, IN WASHINGTON.
UH, WE HAVE 42 UNITS IN BELLE HAVEN.
WE HAVE A UNIT AND IN AURORA WE HAVE THREE UNITS.
WE'RE CURRENTLY CON CONTRACTING WITH AURORA TO DO A 25 UNIT SUBDIVISION.
AND IN GRIFFIN FOR FLOOD RECOVERY, A 56 UNIT AND A SUBJECT, UH, SUBDIVISION FOR FLOOD RECOVERY, ALL OF THOSE WOULD BE FIRST-TIME HOME OWNERSHIP.
WE ALSO, UH, HAVE A VERY STRONG TRACK RECORD WITH THE NORTH ATLANTA HOUSING FINANCE AGENCY.
THEY HAVE FUNDED US FOR, UH, WELL OVER $3 MILLION.
WE HAVE AN EXCELLENT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE DIVISION OF COMMUNITY ASSISTANCE.
THEY HAVE FUNDED US FOR OVER A MILLION DOLLARS.
WE HAVE AN EXCELLENT RELATIONSHIP WITH A NUMBER OF BANKS.
UH, FIRST SOUTH BANK, FIRST CITIZENS BANK, BB AND T, AND, UM, BANK OF AMERICA.
WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO, TO PULL THIS OFF.
UH, WE, WE, WE, WE WOULD NOT PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER AND LEAVE YOU HANGING, MESS YOU UP.
UH, AND I THINK THAT YOU WOULD BE VERY IMPRESSED WITH WHAT THE FINAL PROJECT, UH, WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO, TO TAKE WORKING FAMILIES THAT HAVE OWNED HOMES BEFORE AND PUT THEM IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE THEY BECOME HOMEOWNERS IS A VERY UNIQUE PROGRAM.
AND I HAVE SEEN IT STABILIZED COMMUNITIES THAT WERE IN MUCH WORSE SHAPE THAN THIS ONE.
THIS IS A VERY STRONG COMMUNITY, AND THEREFORE WE'RE SELLING THE HOUSES.
THEY WOULD BE BUILT A MUCH LARGER AND THEY WOULD SELL FOR MORE BECAUSE THE INCOMES, A GREATER, UH, MR. MARVIN NANNY, WHO IS OUR ARCHITECT WILL COME SHOW YOU SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE CONCEPTS THAT WE HAD FOR THIS PROPOSAL.
UH, I THINK YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THIS SKETCH PREVIOUSLY, BUT
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THIS TRACT OF LAND, AS YOU KNOW, IS SITUATED BETWEEN THE METS SEWING FACTORY AND SOME BUILDINGS, WHICH ARE NEXT TO OAKS ROAD, GLEN BURNIE, APPROXIMATELY ACROSS FROM THE HATTERS.COULD YOU SHOW US PEOPLE TO SHOW IT TO THE PEOPLE AT THE HOUSE? OKAY.
MERTON AND ROAD AT THE TOP OF THIS DRAWING.
AND THE CONCEPT THAT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED HERE IS ONE OF CREATING AN ENCLAVE VILLAGE OF HASSLES.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THE UNITS ARE DEVELOPED IN, UH, CLUSTERS OF FOUR ATTACHED, UM, EACH ONE, AND THERE'S ONE POINT OF ACCESS OFF OF GLEN VERNON INTO THIS LOOP DRIVE, WHICH PROVIDES VEHICLE ACCESS TO ALL THE UNITS IN THE DEVELOPMENT.
UH, REPEAT THAT HERE'S THE ACCESS OF THE GLEN BURNIE ROAD AND THE LOOP DRIVE ON THE INTERIOR.
UH, THE UNITS ARE ARRANGED IN CLUSTER CLUSTER TWO FOR EACH TWO UNITS HAS AN ATTACHED GARAGE.
SO YOU CAN SEE, FOR EXAMPLE, HERE, THIS IS A UNIT, THIS IS A UNIT OR TWO GARAGE.
THOSE TWO UNITS, EACH UNIT HAS A FRONT PORCH AND ADDITIONAL OFF-STREET PARKING IN THE DRIVEWAY, AS WELL AS A DESIGNATED PARKING SPACES AROUND THE PERIMETER TO DRIVE.
UH, THE CENTER AREA IN THE PROJECT IS RESERVED AS A GREEN, UH, PLAY AN ACTIVITY SPACE, UH, AND ALL OF THE FRONT PORCHES IN THE DEVELOPMENT ORIENTED TOWARD GREEN SPACE.
COULD YOU PASS THAT AROUND? SORRY.
REMIND ME ANYONE WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT? THAT'S NOT UP HERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER MY QUESTION IS WHAT'S THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
THE DRAWING ACTUALLY SHOWS 24 OR MORE EXPLAINED, WE'RE FINDING 23 AND THAT'D BE IN THE 10 TO 1100 SQUARE FOOT TO ABOUT 1300 SQUARE FOOT.
RIGHT? UH, WE'VE GOT SOME, SOME, UH, PHOTO IMAGES HERE OF A PROJECT THAT WAS DEVELOPED WASHINGTON OF SIMILAR CHARACTER.
YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, FRONT PORCHES AND DRIVES OFF STREET PARKING AND THE GARAGE UNITS ATTACHED.
AND, UH, WHILE THESE ARE NOT, OBVIOUSLY NOT EXACTLY THE SAME UNITS THAT WE'RE SHOWING YOU THIS, BECAUSE IT GIVES YOU AN ILLUSTRATION OF THE CHARACTER AND NATURE OF IT.
WE CAN PASS THESE AROUND AS WELL.
IF, IF, IF, ONCE YOU GET THROUGH THOSE QUESTIONS THAT YOU ASKED TO HIM, ONCE WE GET THROUGH IT AND HIM FOR YOU TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, AND THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO THOSE OF YOU THAT WISH TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF, OR OPPOSED TO THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT WILL BE ALLOWED THAT WE'LL BE ASKED TO COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR COMMENTS SO THAT WE CAN GET SOME INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC.
THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.
I'D LIKE TO WAIT TILL THEY FINISHED, AND THEN WE'LL CALL ON YOU, UH, FOR THE CALL.
UH, I DON'T, I WOULD LIKE, UH, BEFORE I STOPPED AT AND POINT OUT THAT, UH, REVEREND MOORE'S INTENTION HERE IS, UH, AND HE'S REPEATEDLY, UH, UH, TOLD ME THIS, THAT HE WANTS THIS PROJECT TO BE A VERY NICE PROJECT, BECAUSE IT'S THE FIRST THING THAT HE'S DONE IN NEWBURN, AND HE WANTS, WANTS IT TO BE A SUCCESSFUL
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PROJECT.UM, THE, UH, THESE WILL BE BRICK BUILDINGS WITH VINYL SIDING.
WE'LL BE HEAVILY LANDSCAPED WE'VE, UH, ESTABLISHED, UH, IN OTHER PLACES THAT, THAT, UH, EVEN WITH MODEST HOMES, IF THEY'RE WELL-BUILT AND, AND IF THE LANDSCAPING IS GOOD, UH, THEY ARE VERY, HAVE VERY POSITIVE INFLUENCE ON THE SURROUNDING AREA.
WE'LL LET, WE'LL GET TO YOU IN A MINUTE.
JUST TELL HIM, WE'LL GIVE YOU, WE'LL GIVE YOU A CHANCE.
TIMEOUT WILL GIVE ME A CHANCE.
LET THE, LET THE ARCHITECT FINISH FIRST.
EVERYBODY GET TO SPEAK IN TURN.
GO AHEAD AND FINISH YOUR COMMENTS.
THESE, THESE HOMES, UM, ARE GOING TO BE BUILT JUST THERE.
THEY WILL NOT BE PRE-FAB HAS, IS THEY WON'T BE BUILT IN, UH, ANY WAY, ANY, UH, MORE CHEAPLY THAN YOUR HOUSE OR MY ASS.
UH, THERE'LL BE STICK-BUILT CONVENTIONAL CONSTRUCTION.
THEY WILL BE BUILT ON, ON SLABS ON GRADE, BUT THEY WILL BE ELEVATED SLABS THE FOUNDATION WALL THAT THE LOT WILL NOT BE FILLED.
THAT FOUNDATION WALLS WILL BE BUILT THAT THE AREA INSIDE THE FOUNDATION WALL WILL BE FILLED WITH COMPACTED FIELD AND THEN THE SLAB FROM FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, THEY WILL HAVE THE APPEARANCE OF HOUSES ON CRAWL SPACES.
UM, AND AS I SAY, IT'D BE COMPLETE BRICK EXTERIOR WITH VINYL SIDING IN THE GABLES AND, UH, SHINGLE ROOFS, QUALITY MATERIALS TO THEM.
IS THERE A SIMILAR, UH, TYPE OF HOME OR DEVELOPMENT IN A NEW BURN AREA THAT SOMEBODY CAN SEE?
YEAH, I CAN, FROM, I HAVE PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE OF, UH, OF A DEVELOPMENT THAT, UH, HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF NEWBURN CALLED FOREST PARK, WHICH WAS, UH, DONE.
I THINK IT WAS INITIATED ABOUT SIX OR SEVEN YEARS AGO.
AND, AND, UH, THERE SOME 98 OR A HUNDRED HOMES THERE, AND THEY WERE BUILT AS INDIVIDUAL HOMES, BUT ON 40 FOOT LOTS, WHICH IS A NARROWER THAN THE CURRENT ORDINANCES PERMIT, BUT IT WAS DONE AS A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT AND, UH, THOSE HOMES.
SO IN THE SAME APPROXIMATE PRICE RANGE AS THE, AND I THINK THAT IF ANYONE HAS A CONCERN ABOUT THE QUALITY OF A NEIGHBORHOOD OF THIS TYPE OF HOUSING, THEY TAKE A DRIVE THROUGH FOREST PARK AND THEY'LL SEE THAT IT'S, IT'S A VERY PLEASANT NEIGHBORHOOD.
DO WE HAVE ANY PEOPLE FROM THE PUBLIC WILL WISH TO MAKE COMMENTS ON THE FRONT ROW, RAISE YOUR HAND, AND I'LL CALL YOU IN TURN, WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENTS OKAY.
UH, THE YOUNG LADY IN THE, ON THE LEFT SIDE, WOULD YOU COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND TELL US YOUR, UH, GIVE US YOUR COMMENTS, YOU REALLY, TO WHO YOU ARE.
MY NAME'S SHARON GIBSON AND I LIVE ON NORTH GLENBURNIE ROAD AND MY CREWS, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHICH RESIDENCE THAT MR MORA MET WITH AND WHY.
UM, MR. AVERY TOLD ME BEFORE THE MEETING THAT WE ALL GOT A LETTER THAT THERE WERE GOING TO BE A MATE.
WELL, NONE OF US GOT A LETTER.
THE ONLY LETTER WE GOT WAS THE ONE FOR THIS MEETING TONIGHT, THE, UH, THE, THE, ME, THE ARMORY, UH, REVEREND MORE VEHICLES TO TAKE PROPERTY.
THEY'RE SPEAKING ABOUT DEVELOPING AND WENT OUT ALL PROPERTY WITHIN 200 FEET, TYPICALLY FOR PUBLIC HEARING, BUT THEY GAVE NOTICE ALL THOSE IN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY.
NOW THE MEETINGS FROM NINE, UH, WE WENT AHEAD AND DID IT A LARGER AREA FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING WE'RE HAVING, UH, WHICH
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WENT WELL BEYONDWAS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WAS AT THE ARMORY MEETING?
MA'AM WOULD YOU PLEASE COME UP THROUGH? OKAY.
I WANTED TO KNOW, UH, HOW THAT YOU'RE STONED OUT THERE.
SO THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A ZONING CHANGE IN ORDER TO PERMIT THE BUILDING, UH, QUESTION TO FOLLOW THAT UP.
WHAT DOES, UH, INDUSTRIAL ZONING, UH, COMMIT JUSTIN, JUST SO THAT NOBODY ALTERNATIVES RIGHT NOW BE BUILT THERE.
NOW, THE DISTRICT THAT PERMITS MANUFACTURING, UH, SOME, UH, CHARITY, UH, IN INDUSTRIAL TYPE OR OTHER COMMERCIAL
INDUSTRIAL AND INDUSTRIAL PACIFICATION HAS ONE OF THE LOWEST, ONE OF THE LEAST PERSPECTIVE IT IS, AND IT SAID, OKAY, MY NEXT THING YOU, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT'S UP.
HAVE YOU Y'ALL DID ALL OF THIS BEING OUT THERE AND TRIED TO GO DOWN WITH WHEN BERNIE ROAD YOU DO NOT GO DOWN WHEN BERNIE ROAD, WHEN HYDROSHOT'S COMING OUT.
THE ONLY WAY THOSE PEOPLE COMING DOWN THIS ROAD GET TO COME OUT IS IF ONE OF US HAPPEN TO COME BY WHEN YOU'RE DOWN AND TURN AROUND AND COME BACK AND STOP, AND WE GET CUSSED OUT SOMETIMES, BUT WE DO IT DO IT.
THAT WAS ONE OF MY OTHER BANK.
I MET THE TRACKING AND ONE WAY IN ONE WAY AT ALL, RIGHT, WE HAVE ONE WAY IN ONE WAY AT GLEN BURNIE ROADS OUR OWN WAY IN OUR OWN WAY OUT, UNLESS WE GO TO THE RIVER SO THAT I'M IN, IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE IT WOULD BE A HAZARD.
AND THEN MY NEXT THING WAS, THE TRAFFIC WAS FIRSTLY, THE NEXT THING IS, UM, AND THESE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS, WE ALREADY HAVE WINDY HILL, WHICH IS FINE.
I MEAN, NOTHING AGAINST WINDY HILL, BUT TEENAGERS, WHEN NOT BEFORE THEY GET OLD ENOUGH TO DRIVE 11, 12, 13, 14 YEAR OLDS, ALL THEY WANT TO DO SINCE THEY CAN'T DRIVE.
AND YOU CAN'T WATCH THEM 24 7, WHERE DID THEY GO? THE SPRINGS.
SO THAT LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD BE DANGEROUS TO ME FOR THE RIVER.
THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON THE RIVER, THEY CAN GET RIGHT TO IT.
I MET AND IT'S POSTED THE, OR NOBODY.
I DON'T LIVE RIGHT THERE, BUT THEY HAVE TO GO BY MY HOUSE.
BUT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE HAVE IT POSTED PRIVATE PROPERTY, BUT IT DON'T STOP THE PEOPLE FROM WINDY HILL FROM GOING DOWN THERE, THE TAPE AGAIN.
AND SO THEY STILL HAVE TO RUN THEM ON SO THEY COULD GET HER.
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BLOOD.RAYMOND, WE, DURING ONE OF THE HARRISON'S WE WERE GOING TO PARK THE CARS.
THAT TO ME, I HOPE YOU DON'T MIND, BUT, UH, BECAUSE OF THE TREES, THIS WAS BEFORE WE HAD TREES CUT DOWN AND SOME OF THE STORMS, BUT THEY WAS WATER UP THERE.
SO SHE COULDN'T, SHE, SHE WAS BLADE.
SHE DIDN'T TAKE HER CAR UP THERE.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT PART OF THE LAND WOULD FLOOD OR NOT, BUT THERE WAS WATER UP THERE.
NOW IN THE SEVENTIES, GLEN VERDE ROAD DID NOT FIND AN OAKS ROAD, ALWAYS FLOODS.
SO THAT MEANS WE'RE GOING TO BE STUCK IN THERE.
SO THAT MEANS AND MY NAME'S DROWSY NATE.
I'M ONE OF THE RESIDENTS DOWN AND LIVES ON ATMORE AND BEHIND WHERE THE PROPOSED HOUSING IS GOING TO GO.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO SAY, I WOULD HAVE APPRECIATED GONE TO THE FIRST MEETING ON THIS, THIS 100 FEET.
IT DIDN'T INCLUDE THE PEOPLE THAT LIVED OVER BY THE ARMORY.
THIS THING IS GOING ON, GLEN BURNIE.
YOU'RE LOOKING FOR ACCIDENTS TO HAPPEN.
YOU'VE GOT HATTERAS COMING IN AND OUT DIFFERENT TIMES.
WE'VE ASKED FOR A STOP SIGN OR STOP LIGHTS OUT THERE.
AND THERE AIN'T NOBODY IN HERE.
IT'S GOING TO BE BOUGHT OUT BY PEOPLE THAT DON'T GOT KIDS YOU'RE ASKING FOR TROUBLE.
THE SECOND THING, HERE'S THE COPY OF THE LETTER THAT GOT, SO NOBODY'S GOT TO WAKE UP AND START PUTTING THE THINGS OUT.
WHAT WHO'S IT GOING TO AFFECT? OKAY.
AND TENSIONS ALL WELL AND GREAT.
I ADMIRE THE PLAN, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS, BUT INVOLVE THE PEOPLE THAT IT'S GOING TO DO THAT WELL.
THAT'S THE WHOLE INTENT OF SENDING OUT THAT LETTER.
IT WAS A TIME WHERE WE DIDN'T NOTIFY EVERYBODY.
THIS IS A NEW OR RECENT CHANGE WHERE WE NOTIFY THOSE THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SUPPOSED TO BE MOST IMPACTED ON ANY ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT.
YOU GOT ROOM FOR ALL THE IMPACTED PEOPLE, SIR.
YOU OPPOSE IT BECAUSE OF WHAT REASONS NOW WE'LL POST BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T GET ENOUGH NOTICE TO A DOMAIN.
I'M GOING TO BE ONE OF THE PEOPLE DIRECTLY, UH, AFFECTED BY IT.
BUT LOOKING AT THEM, LOOKING AT THOSE PLANTS THAT YOU SEE THEM NOW OR SEE NOW, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT ONE WAY IN ONE LAND.
SO YOU OPPOSE IT BECAUSE IT'S TOO DENSELY POPULATED TO DANCE, PERIOD.
LET'S SAY, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? THE DENSITY, THE DENSITY WITH A LOCKOUT IN THE AREA, THE TRACK ITSELF IS, UH, FIVE ACRES.
YOU HAVE, UH, THAT'S LESS THAN FIVE YEARS PER ACRE.
SO THAT'S COMING OUT AT, UH, 10,000 SQUARE FEET AND FOR A LOT
YOU DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH TRAFFIC, 23 UNITS IN THAT AREA THAT'S BEING PROPOSED 23 ADDITIONAL UNITS WOULD HAVE A NET NEGLIGIBLE FROM HARRIS IS ANOTHER ISSUE.
YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON HOW LONG IT TAKES HARRISON
SO THE PROBLEM WITH HAVING HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS HOUSING PROJECT.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? RIGHT? THEY MIGHT BE IMPACTED
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BY HARRIS IMPACT THE CAMERAS.UM, RALPH AND MELTON, I'VE LIVED IN AND AROUND THE CITY OF NEW BERN, ALL MY LIFE.
AND OVER 50 YEARS, 55 CURRENTLY LIVE ON NORTH OAKLAND BURNING ROAD.
23 YEARS, I'VE HAD TWO OR THREE GENERATIONS OF MY WIFE'S FAMILY LIVE IN TWO HOUSES.
THERE THERE'S ANOTHER FAMILY THAT HAS CURRENTLY, THEY HAVE TWO GENERATIONS LIVING IN TWO DIFFERENT HOUSES, NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET.
IT'S A FAMILY ORIENTED NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND FOR PERSONAL REASONS, NOT KNOWING THE SITUATION AND THE IMPACT I'M OPPOSED TO THIS FALL.
THE GOING ON THOUGH, THEY SUBDIVISION IS TIGHT.
SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED IN THAT AREA.
SOMEONE GOES AGAINST THEIR BUTTERFIELD'S WHEN IT PUTS IT THERE, IT SHOULD HAVE A HOUSE FROM MOOD.
I KNOW THE ENTRANCE MADE TO OAKS ROAD, SOME ADJACENT ROAD, WHOEVER IS THE LAND OWNER, THIS HAS BEEN BOUGHT FROM MIGHT HAVE SOME LAND THERE.
THEY COULD MAKE ARRANGEMENTS TO HAVE ANOTHER ROAD BUILT.
I BELIEVE THERE WAS AN EXCESS OF 800 EMPLOYEES THAT HATTERS THERE'S ROAD RAGE OUT THERE.
MAYBE THEY HAVE RUN THEM ON THE WIFE, OFF THE ROAD, THURSTON TRUCK LINES.
WHAT IS LEGALLY CALLED ATTRACTIVE NUISANCES OUT THERE? YEAH, THEY USE RUBBER.
THEY WALKED DOWN THERE ALL THE TIME FROM DIFFERENT AREAS, FROM DIFFERENT LITTLE HOUSING AREAS.
THEY OWN THE DIXON PROPERTY REMOVED, OR LIKE SOMEONE CLAIMED IT WAS GOING TO BE A POND.
YOU HAVE A HUGE HOLE BEHIND THE REST OF THEM.
THEY'VE HAD TO SEARCH FOR ELDERLY PEOPLE THAT WALKED OFF.
AND THIS WAS A REAL RESTAURANT.
THEY HAD TO SEARCH THE ROCKPORT.
ONCE YOU NOW WANTING TO TURN INTO A SEWER, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON OUT THERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS LAND IS SUPPOSED TO COME FROM, BUT IF YOU COULD GET SOME LAND FROM THE SCHOOL SYSTEM BY ELIZABETH AVENUE, FIRE DEPARTMENT, IF YOU COULD WORK OUT SOMETHING WITH RANDY'S CRITIC, INSTEAD OF THEM DIGGING ANOTHER HOLE, WHAT DID HE TOOK? ALL OF THAT LAND MAKE A HOUSE THAT IS ELEVATED.
JUST LIKE YOU'RE CURRENTLY INVOLVED IN GETTING THESE HOUSES JACKED UP OR THEY WON'T FLOOD AGAIN.
AND IT'S TAKEN FIVE YEARS TO DO SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE THESE, ALL THAT YOU NEED TO CONSIDER WHEN YOU GO BACK AND CONSIDER A SLAB HOUSE BEING BUILT, IT'S ELEVATED, BUT WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO DO TO THE NEIGHBOR.
IT'S GOING TO DRAIN OFF ON THEIR PLAN.
THE MUNICIPAL BUILDINGS, THE, UH, INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS AND EVERYONE ELSE.
THEY CURRENTLY HAVE HAVE PAWNS BILL WE'RE DRYING OFF.
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THIS.
AND LIKE I SAID, DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET COMING OUT OF, THERE IS SOME PORTION OF HALF OR BETTER OF 800 EMPLOYEES HAD A SHOT.
NOW I'VE HAD OCCASIONS WHEN I WAS NOT WORKING.
I WENT HOME IN THE MIDDLE OF THE AFTERNOON FOR A PARTICULAR REASON.
I TALKED TO THE PEOPLE, I HAD HATTERS.
THEY PAID THE CITY POLICE ON A SHORT TERM BASIS FOR THE LOAD OF POLICE IN THE CITY, THEMSELVES AND NEVER DONE ANYTHING
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TO HELP THE SITUATION.THERE WAS NO FIRE COVERAGE OUT THE OTHER DAY WHEN I WAS RETURNING TO WORK AT ABOUT 10 TO ONE, I WAITED AT THE END OF NORTHLAND, BARTON ROAD, WHERE THE UTILITY FAR WIDER TO TAR ON IT WENT ON.
WHEN I WENT ACROSS RANDY'S CREEK, I FOUND NO SPOT FOR OFF THE ROAD AND ELIZABETH AVENUE, FIRE TRUCK PAST.
WELL, I GOT BACK ON THE ROAD AND WHEN I GOT DOWN TO THE CURB, I PULLED OFF AGAIN.
HE CAME ON AND OFF SOMEONE, THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE FROM RIVERSIDE CAR DEPARTMENT.
I LEFT AN IRON ON AN IRON BOARD IN THE MORNING.
IT HAD TAKEN EIGHT OR 10 MINUTES OR FIVE TRUCKS AND SOMEONE SAW IT COULD COME FROM A LOOP TO TAKE AND GET THEM THREE TO FOUR MILES THROUGH ALL THESE OWNERS SUCH TO GET TO THAT HOUSE, TO CHECK THE SITUATION OUT, GET ASKED TO VOLUNTEER FIRE.
WHAT HAPPENED? THE RIVERSIDE? WHAT HAPPENED TO THE PROBLEMS? THEY DON'T KEEP OUR TRUCK DOWN MONDAY MORNING, NINE O'CLOCK FIRE TRUCKS, NOT AT RIVERSIDE FIVE.
O'CLOCK THE DAY I GO TO THE HARDWARE STORE AT 27 SCREW FOR SOMETHING I WORKED ON AT THE HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET.
I SAID, WHAT DID HE SAY? FIVE WEEKS.
SO THEY JUST GOT IN AND DROVE OFF.
SO I THINK THEY KEEP IT THERE IN THE MORNING.
SO IN 20 MINUTES TONIGHT, THE FIRE TRUCKS IN THERE, SOME BODY PLAYING MUSICAL CHAIRS.
WHAT A FIRE TRUCK, YOU GOT A RAILROAD CONSTRUCTION.
YOU GOT A RAILROAD THAT BLOCKS THINGS ALL CONTINUOUSLY.
I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS ALL MY LIFE.
THERE'S BEEN PLACES WHERE PEOPLE HAVE BLOWN UP THE TRUCKS AND TRIED TO GET RID OF THE SITUATION.
I THINK WE WANT A LITTLE BIT FAR.
LET'S GET BACK TO THIS ISSUE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND IN THE LAST FEW DAYS YOU'VE HAD CONSTRUCTION.
I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY CONTINGENCY PLAN.
I BELIEVE THEY ARE SUPPORTING TO BARNA, BUT THEY HAVE REMOVED THIS TRUCK THAT COULD HAVE GOTTEN DOWN THERE.
THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE THEY DIDN'T HAVE.
AND YOU WANT TO BUILD A NOVA 24 UNIT SUBDIVISION THAT WILL, PEOPLE WILL LIVE IN THERE TOO, POSSIBLY FIVE, TWO A YEAR, ANYWHERE FROM 40 TO A HUNDRED.
AND SO YOU WANT THEM TO HAVE THE ENCOUNTER 800 WORKERS ROAD RAGE.
GETTING OUT OF THERE ARE NO REAR ENTRANCE, NO FIRE PROTECTION.
AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FALLS UNDER THE SAME CLASSIFICATION.
WELL, LET'S, LET'S UH, WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS AND ON FIRE PROTECTION, I'M SURE THAT WILL BE DISCUSSED THE FIND OUT WHAT YOUR CONCERNS, BUT LET'S GET BACK TO THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
THE REASON WHY WE HAVE THE, A PUBLIC HEARING IS TO DISCUSS THE, UH, THE HOUSING SITUATION.
NOT ALL OF THESE, UH, THESE WE WOULD, WE'LL TAKE ALL THOSE THINGS ON, BUT YOU HAVE ALL THE PLANS.
BRIDGESTON JAMES SETTING, ALL THESE THINGS IN THE AIR.
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FOR STEPHANIE TO ANSWER A QUESTION, YOU DON'T COVER THAT.I ASK YOU A QUESTION FOR YOU, SIR.
WE GET WHOLE TRASH PICKUP TOO, BUT IF IT HITS THE GROUND OUT HERE, IT'S PICKED UP.
I GOT THERE AND MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND I CALLED UP WHEN THEY KNOCKED THE MANHOLE COVER LOOSE, BUT AFTER I MOVED MY TRASH, GOT IT OFF THE MANHOLE COVER, THEN THEY STARTED DIGGING HOLES.
SO THEN I PUT IT BACK ON A MANHOLE COVER.
UH, I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU, UH, ABOUT THE, UH, HAVING THIS PROBLEM.
NOW, THE TRAFFIC PROBLEM REGARDING THE HATTER IS ONLY OCCURS DURING SHIFT CHANGES.
IS THAT CORRECT? A SHIFT CHANGE.
THERE'S CONTINUOUS TRAFFIC FROM BOTH THE RUSSIANS EARLY IN THE MORNING.
I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT TIME, BUT JUST LIKE CERTAIN PERIODS.
LIKE WHENEVER THAT CHANGE HAS SHIFTED, THEY TOLD ME THAT THEY WERE, I CAN'T THINK OF THE MAN'S LANE AND VICE-PRESIDENT OR WHATEVER HIS TITLE WAS.
THEY WEREN'T CONSIDERING SOME KIND OF LAW STEIGER SHIFT TO RELEASE THE PEOPLE FROM WORK LIKE 15 MINUTES TILL HALF HOUR INCREMENTS.
BUT YOU CAN ALMOST TIME HAVE, YOU CAN ALMOST TIME WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE, YOU CAN TIME WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PROBLEMS RELATED TO HATTERAS EMPLOYEES COMING TO AND FROM WORK.
CAN'T YOU ONLY IF THEY DON'T KILL YOU, BUT IT'S ONLY LIKE CERTAIN PERIODS OF THE DAY.
IT LASTS FOR A CERTAIN DURATION THAT SPECIAL BED FOR OFF 30, SOME YEARS AGO, WHEN I WENT OAKS ROAD AND THE ROAD I LIVED ON WAS CLAY.
WHEN I LIVE ON THAT, THERE WAS A CURB THERE.
WE NOW HAVE A T INTERSECTION AND THERE IS STILL A CURVE IN THE T.
IF SOMEONE NEGOTIATE A LEFT-HAND CAR AND ANOTHER PARTY NEGOTIATE NEGOTIATES, A LEFT-HAND TAR, SOMEONE CAN COME BEHIND ALL THE PARTY.
THAT'S NEGOTIATING THE LEFT-HAND TURN FROM THE DIRECTION OF THE FOREIGN RESTAURANT OR SOUTH AND BARNEY TOWARDS NORTH OAKLAND BURNING CUP ACROSS NEVER LEAVE THE PAVEMENT, HIT SOMEONE LEGALLY AND CAUSE A WRECK, NO STOP LIGHT, NO REGULATIONS.
TWO STOPS ON THE LEGAL SIDE AND THEY DO WHATEVER THEY GET RID OF 800 PEOPLE COME OUT OF THERE AND YOU WANT TO ADD TO IT RUNOFF GOING ON OTHER PEOPLE'S PROPERTY.
IF YOU DO TAKE THEM, THANK THEM UP.
I'M OPPOSED TO IT BECAUSE I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN.
BUT HOWARD, THE LAND IS SUPPLIED.
I THINK A BETTER AND CLOSER AREA TO BUTTER ENVIRONMENT OR WHATEVER WOULD BE BETTER.
AND SO ON, COULD GET THEM SOME WORK IN THE AREA OF ABOUT A HALF A MILE TO THAT.
IF THEY REALLY TRIED TO GET THE LAND, LIKE SURE.
MY NAME IS BOB JOEL AND I LIVE ON OLD CROW AND IT'S QUIET EVIDENCE THAT MR. MORRIS EVIDENTLY GOES AROUND SEEKING OUT LAND IN FLOOD ZONES, A FLOOD PLAIN.
HE WAS FOUNDED ON GLEN BURNIE AND HE'S ALSO FOUNDED IN DUFFY FIELD.
NOW IN YOUR OWN AGENDA HERE TONIGHT, YOU'RE SAYING, HEY, WE GOT A STEADY RAISING 10 HOUSES AND WOODROW THIS TIME NEXT YEAR, GENTLEMEN, YOU WILL NOT ONLY BE RAISED IN 10 HOUSES ON WOODROW, BUT YOU'LL BE RAISED IN 23 HOUSES ON NORTH GLEN BURNIE.
ANOTHER THING, THIS IS A FLOOD PLAIN AREA.
THE PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT, ALL ATTEST TO WHAT I'M TELLING YOU.
THE SEPTIC TANKS AND BACK OF THIS PROJECT DON'T WORK RIGHT THIS VERY MINUTE, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE TELEVISION STATION, WE'RE HAVING A SEPTIC TANK PROBLEMS. THEY CAN'T GET TIED ON TO THE CITY OF NEWBURN SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANT.
EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE ON THERE A THOUSAND YARDS FROM THE MAIN PLANT, WE'RE TOO BUSY CONNECTING BRIDGE TO NORTH CAROLINA, TO DISPATCH A MAN OUT IN THAT WOODROW AREA TO GIVE THESE PEOPLE THE PROPER SERVICES THAT THEY'RE PAYING FOR THAT THE CITY OF NEWBURGH PROMISED THEM BACK LIKE FIVE YEARS AGO
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BACK THAT'S HOW LONG THEY BEEN IN THE CITY OF LIMITS.DO THEY HAVE CITY WATER? SOME OF THEM DO.
AND NOT ONLY THIS PROBLEM, BUT WE'RE CREATING ANOTHER PROBLEM WITH OUR, UH, SALVAGE WATER.
WHAT IS IT CALLED? A S A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
SO, HEY, IT'S GOING TO BE ONE.
IT'S JUST ONE PROBLEM AFTER ANOTHER.
AND I THINK THAT, UH, IF THE CITY IS GOING TO DO ANYTHING, THEY SHOULD BUY THE LAND FOR MR. DIXON.
CAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO THIS GROUP HERE TONIGHT IS TRYING TO GET THEIR HAND IN YOUR POCKET AND MINE WE'D BE BETTER OFF IF WE JUST, THE CITY JUST BOUGHT THE FIVE ACRES FROM MR. DICKSON OUTRIGHT AND LET THEM TAKE THIS PROJECT INTO ANOTHER AREA.
I UNDERSTAND THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA HAS MONEY AVAILABLE TO YOU THROUGH A GRANT THAT WILL ALLOW YOU TO DO JUST THIS BY MR. DICKSON'S PROPERTY.
IF HE WANTS TO SELL FIVE ACRES OR WHATEVER AMOUNT OF ACRES HE WANTS TO SALE, I THINK WE SHOULD BUY AND ELIMINATE THE PROBLEM THAT THEIR NEIGHBORS ARE HAVING DOWN THERE RIGHT NOW.
SEPTIC TANKS DON'T WORK RAW SEWAGE.
IT SMELLS TERRIBLE OUT THERE, BUT ALL WE'RE CONCERNED IS A GRANT OF GRANTING SOMEBODY SOMETHING.
AND I'M TELLING YOU IT'S A BAD, BAD MOVE.
AND I'D HATE TO SEE THE CITY OF NEWBURGH ADOPT THIS PROGRAM.
I LIVE ON AT MOORE DRIVE, RIGHT BEHIND MEDS.
I WALK EVERY DAY, JOHN NORTH GLEN BURNIE ROAD.
I MEAN, IF YOU SAY, IS THERE A TIME YOU CHOOSE OR KNOW WHEN TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE COMING DOWN THERE? NO SERVICE.
IT IS BUSY AND IT'S DANGEROUS.
I HAVE BEEN, I WAS PRACTICALLY HIT LAST THURSDAY BY SDS TRUCK.
THIS WAS AT TWO 30 IN THE AFTERNOON.
THERE'S PEOPLE SITTING RIGHT HERE.
I WALK, I HAVE TO TRY ADJUST MY SCHEDULE TO GET MY TIME IN TRAFFIC IS TERRIBLE.
WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ON THE SIDE OF THE STREETS WITH ALL THAT HEAVY TRAFFIC ARE RE SO INSIDE THE ROAD, LIKE YOU SEE ON 43, WHATEVER THERE'S LITTLE CHILDREN RUN DOWN THERE AND THEY PLAY AND JUST ABOUT GET HIT BY THESE VEHICLES.
WHEN DO YOU TRAIL ALL THESE YOUNG CHILDREN COME RUNNING? NO, THE YOUNG ONES, THE ONES ON THESE BICYCLES AND I HAVE TO HAUL OR GET AWAY HERE COMES A BIG TRUCK OR THESE PEOPLE COMING OFF WORK AND HATTERS.
AND THEY JUST ABOUT GET HIT TWO WEEKS AGO.
IT SCARED ME SLAMMED WHO? DADS, WHERE I JUST ABOUT BROKE DOWN CRYING BECAUSE THEY COME OUT.
THEY DON'T STOP AT THAT STOP SIGN THAT SAYS STOP.
YOU TELL ME WHEN IT RED STOP SIGN SAYS, NO, WE'RE JUST GONNA GO RIGHT ON THROUGH.
WELL, YOU TELL THE EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE IS THAT BECAUSE THEY DO NOT STOP.
AND CHILDREN HAVE JUST FELT IN HIT AND ONE, TWO WEEKS AGO, BECAUSE I CAN ATTEST TO THAT.
AND I CAN'T MAYBE A GRANDMOTHER AND MOTHER THREE DAUGHTERS, I WOULD NOT WANT ANYBODY'S CHILD PREDICAMENT.
MY OTHER CONCERN, THE GENTLEMAN BEFORE ME WAS TALKING ABOUT THE FLOODING AND OAKS ROAD WERE HALO THIS SUMMER.
I HAD WATER EIGHT FEET FROM MY BACK DOOR AND I'M BUILT UP HIGH DRAINAGE PROBLEMS FROM OTHER LAND GOING TO SOMEBODY ELSE'S YARD.
I NEVER HAD THAT PROBLEM BEFORE.
I HAD SO MUCH WATER SET IN MY BACKYARD.
AND THIS IS NEW HOUSING DEVELOPMENT RIGHT BEHIND MATS.
I WISH YOU GUYS COULD HAVE BEEN THERE.
NON-REPRESENTED ALL THE OTHER 10 FAMILIES.
ONE OTHER FAMILY'S ABLE TO SHOW UP.
DID YOU HAVE SEPARATE? WE ARE SITTING.
BUT MY POINT IS WATER SITS THERE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
THE CITY CAME OUT, UH, DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE EXIT AND HIGHLIGHTERS AND I ASKED THEM, WELL, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? WELL, WE'RE GONNA SEE IF WE CAN'T HELP.
WAS IT A WATER DRAINAGE PROBLEM HERE?
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ALL THEY DID IS GIVE HIM A LITTLE BIT OF BUSH AX AND CUT A FEW TREES DOWN, BIG TREES THERE JUST TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.I'M NOT, I'M NOT AGAINST ANYONE TRYING TO BETTER THEMSELVES.
I AM JUST AGAINST SOMEBODY TRYING TO DO SOMETHING THAT WILL LATER ON DOWN THE ROAD CAUSE SOMEBODY HARM.
MA'AM UH, BROUGHT SOME, A GOOD ISSUE.
SO I WANT TO ASK THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR AND THE PLANNING DIRECTOR, WHETHER OR NOT THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL INCREASE THE CHANCES OR CONTRIBUTED TO ANY OF THE FLOODING PROBLEMS IN THAT AREA WITH AN AGGRAVATED OR HAVE NO EFFECT OR WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR EXPERT ANY DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO ADD TO THE DRAINS.
ANYTIME YOU FELT ANYTHING IN FRONT OF ME IS THE PROJECT ITSELF.
AS A FUND, IT'S GOING TO BE LAID OUT UNDER THE WALL OR QUALITY.
I'M GOING TO HAVE TO CAPTURE NUMBER ONE FIRST INCH BRAIN PHYSICAL PLAN TO STATE THAT FIRST ONE, ONE YEAR SPRAIN IN ANY RAIN EVENT BEFORE IT LEAVES THEIR PROBLEM.
AND IF WE HAVE A SPRING AND SUMMER, LIKE WE HAD THIS YEAR, UH, THE LADIES WENT THROUGH THE SAME THING SHE SAW.
UH, AGAIN, NEXT YEAR THEY ARE IN JEALOUS.
IS IT GOING TO SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACT IF NOT IS GOING TO ADD TO THAT, TO THE AMOUNT OF WORK? WELL, THERE ARE SOME REGULATION THAT THEY GOING TO HAVE TO COMPLY WITH IN ORDER TO NOT, UH, ENHANCE THE, UH, FLOODING PROBLEMS THAT RIGHT.
IN TERMS OF PIGGYBACK ON WHAT ROBIN SAID.
WELL, IF THIS PROJECT, IF THIS PROJECT IS NOT DONE, THERE'S STILL POSSIBILITY IS SOMETHING ELSE GOING IN POSITIVE.
I MEAN, MANY, MANY HATTERAS THAT YOU KNOW, IS, IS THE BIGGEST IMPACT ON
IT'S NOT SAYING THIS IS THE WORST THING.
IT'S PROBABLY IN SCOPE OF THE FIVE ACRES, UH, GOING TO BE THE LEAST IMPACT.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU LEAVE IT ALONE AND LET IT SIT THERE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, NOT, WELL, THIS, THIS KIND OF PROPOSED PROJECT WOULD BE THE LEAST IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WELL, UNLESS YOU TOOK THE
THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS I COULD GO THERE.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I HAVE A PRIME EXAMPLE FOR EVERY ONE OF YOU GENTLEMEN, TO, FOR YOURSELF.
LAST, UM, THERE WAS NOT A HOUSE TO THE RIGHT OF ME.
WE DID NOT FLOOD NO WATER SETTLED THERE.
SO THEY BUILT THE HOUSE ON A MOUND HOT.
YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT, HONEY, THE LEAST LITTLE BIT OF RAIN.
IT JUST DRAINS OFF MY HOUSE AND THE OTHER YARDS OVER THERE, IT'S TERRIBLE.
AND THEN THE HOUSE OFF OAKS ROAD, OKAY.
THIS GENTLEMAN HERE, THAT WATER POURS RIGHT INTO THEIR BACKYARD AND THAT DID NOT HAPPEN.
NOT UNTIL THAT HOUSE WAS BUILT.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING ALL THESE OTHER UNITS.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE BUILT UP AND IT'S GOOD DRINK IT.
DOESN'T TAKE A ROCKET SCIENTIST TO FIGURE THIS OUT.
I MEAN, IF SOMETHING GOES UP, IT'S GOT COME BACK DOWN AND THAT WATER IS GOING TO COME DOWN.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
THE ARCHITECT SAYS IF YOU PROPOSED ANYTHING THAT WOULD ABATE THESE TYPES OF SITUATIONS OR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE HOUSES AND ALIGNMENT OF THE ROADWAYS, WHATEVER, AS, AS MR. MEADOWS SAID, UH,
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WE'RE REQUIRED BY LAW TO PROVIDE A STORMWATER RETENTION SYSTEM DESIGN FOR THIS PROPERTY WHEN WE DEVELOP IT IN THIS WAY.AND WE WILL CONTAIN THE FIRST ONE INCH OF RAINFALL IN ANY STORM, UH, IN THAT SYSTEM, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UH, R OUR INTENTION IS TO DESIGN THIS, UH, THE GRADING ON THIS SITE, SO THAT NONE OF THE WATER THAT FALLS ON THE SITE WILL GRAIN ACROSS THE PROPERTY LINES EXCEPT INTO THE DITCHES THAT ARE, ARE PROVIDED.
NOW, ADMITTEDLY, WHEN THE WIND BLOWS OUT OF THE NORTHEAST AND THE NOOSE BACKS UP AND THE WATER RISES AND IS FLOWING BACKWARDS IN THOSE DITCHES, THERE'S NOTHING ANYONE CAN DO ABOUT THAT.
UM, THE, UH, THE OTHER POINT THAT THAT HAS BEEN MADE, AND I'D LIKE TO REITERATE, UH, AS THIS PROPERTY IS PRESENTLY ZONE, IT COULD BE LITERALLY COVERED WITH IMPERVIOUS SURFACE WITHOUT HAVING ANY KIND OF PUBLIC DISCUSSION.
WE JUST, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY AND WANTED TO PUT IT IN AN INDUSTRIAL FACILITY, THERE THEY HAVE, THEY WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT WITH GOING THROUGH THE NORMAL REVIEW CHANNELS.
AND, UH, THE POTENTIAL RUNOFF FROM THIS SITE WOULD BE FAR GREATER IN THAT INSTANCE THAN IN A DEVELOPMENT OF THIS NATURE.
IN SUMMARY, YOU HAVE ENGINEERED INTO YOUR PLANS, UH, SUFFICIENT, UH, METHODS OF CONTROLLING.
MOST OF THE WATER THAT WOULD BE IN THAT AREA.
SO THE DRAINAGE WOULD NOT BE NEGATIVELY IMPACTED.
YOU KNOW, THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER, UH, GAVE AN EXAMPLE OF A HOUSE BEING BUILT NEXT TO HER HOUSE AT MUCH HIGHER ELEVATION.
AND EVERYONE KNOWS IF YOU DO THAT, THE WATER'S GOING TO RUN ACROSS THE PROPERTY LINE.
WE'RE PROHIBITED BY LAW FROM DOING THAT.
IT'S AGAINST THE LAW FOR US TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY AND DRAIN WATER ONTO THE ADJOINING NEIGHBORS PROPERTY.
ALL FOURTH, SECOND AVENUE, WHICH IS MERCADO.
WE LIVE ON NORTH SECOND AVENUE, WHICH IS JASON TO ADD MORE, WHICH IS ADJACENT TO NORTH GLEN BURNIE.
WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT CAN TESTIFY THAT NORTH SECOND AVENUE DID NOT LOOK BEFORE AT MORTON WAS BUILT BECAUSE ATMORE WAS ELEVATED.
NOW, THIS GENTLEMEN WANTS TO ELEVATE ON NORTH GLEN BURNIE.
HE SAYS, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE DITCHES WORTH IT, WHICH IS GOOD.
WHERE DID THEY GO? THEY GO DOWN NORTH GLEN BURNIE, RIGHT BEHIND OUR HOUSE INTO A POT THAT IS NOW OUR YARD.
I MEAN, WHAT DRAINAGE? WHAT WAS THAT AGAIN? AN EXTENSION OF OUR YARD, WHEN THAT FUND ANY WATER COMES DOWN THERE, THERE ARE SIX HOURS FOR THAT SEARCH STORM, A DISTRIBUTION, EVERYTHING GOES TO THE DITCH THAT GOES ON THE PACKAGE.
IT SPILLS OVER INTO THE AREA BECAUSE EVERYONE IS ELEVATED AND IT'S ALL COMING DOWN.
WE'RE ON FIRST, FIRST NAME BASIS.
WE TRIED TO FIGURE OUT A FEW SOLUTIONS TO THE PROBLEM.
I DON'T SEE THIS AS BEING A PLUS AT ALL.
WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH A RAISED THE BELT.
AND YOU CAN SAY THE WATER'S GOING TO GO IN THE DITCHES AND DRAIN OUT.
IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE, WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
NOT HERE, NOT AT THIS LOCATION.
THERE'S TOO MANY PROBLEMS, TOO MANY COMPLICATIONS ALREADY THAT WE ARE NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE IS NOT ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE.
THIS IS JUST GOING TO EXASPERATE ALL PROBLEMS. I SUGGEST YOU FIND A PIECE OF PROPERTY SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT DOES NOT HAVE ANY DRAINAGE PROBLEMS, DOES NOT HAVE ANY FLOOD PROBLEM AND BUILD THEIR I JUST LET ME MAKE ONE STATEMENT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ARGUMENT, BARBARA.
I JUST, WHEN, WHEN YOU COME FORWARD, WE ASK YOU TO JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
AND THE REASON WE DO THAT IS SO THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO GET BACK TO YOU.
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IT'S JUST A TECHNICAL THING.WE'RE NOT AT SOME PEOPLE SEEM TO THINK THAT WE'RE IMPOSING UPON THEM BY GETTING THE NAME.
NO, MAY COME UP LATER AND WE'LL KNOW HOW TO GET IN TOUCH WITH YOU.
WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY, COME ON, COME ON.
LIKE YOU SAID, I I'VE TALKED TO, UH, SEVERAL OF THESE FAMILIES.
MY NAME IS CHERYL COLLINS AND I LIVE AT 3,207 OAKS ROAD.
I'M ABOUT FOUR TENTHS OF A MILE FROM THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION.
UM, MY NEIGHBORS HAVE GONE THROUGH ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE OPPOSE CONCERNING THIS SUBDIVISION.
AND THAT INCLUDES TO BEGIN WITH THE ANNOUNCEMENT, WHICH NONE OF US GOT FROM THE BEGINNING.
UM, OAKS ROAD IS JUST AS EFFECTIVE AS GLENBURNIE, AS ATMORE THE SUBDIVISION RIGHT THERE.
AND SECOND AVENUE AND FIRST AVENUE AND ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE OTHER GLEN BURNIE, WE'RE ALL IN THAT AREA.
AND WE DON'T NEED THE SUBDIVISION THE WAY THEY'VE PROPOSED IT.
THEY'VE GONE OVER THE WATER PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE, AND YOU'VE HEARD US SCREAMING AND HOLLERING AND GOING TO THE NEWSPAPERS ABOUT IT.
AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
WE HAVE NO CHOICE BECAUSE YOU DON'T LISTEN TO US.
WE'RE GOING TO SCREAM AND HOLLER MORE AND MORE BECAUSE WE NEED YOUR HELP BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY PROBLEMS OUT THERE.
JUST TREMENDOUS PROBLEMS. THESE HOUSES THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD, UM, OR THAT YOU'D LIKE TO BUILD ARE GOING TO BE PUT INTO THE SAME SITUATION THAT WE ARE.
MOST OF US HAVE INVESTED OUR LIFE SAVINGS IN OUR HOMES.
AND I KNOW THAT IN, IN A LOT OF SITUATIONS, YOU, YOU DO TOO.
YOU'RE ALL ABOUT THE SAME AGE THAT WE ARE, AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SELL.
IT'S NOT TO BURN, BUT IT'S MY HOME.
I DON'T WANT IT TO BE IMPACTED ANYMORE.
UM, MY CONCERN IS MORE ABOUT REAL ESTATE VALUE THAN, THAN ANYTHING ELSE BECAUSE I FINANCE HOMES.
I TOOK THE LIBERTY OF SPEAKING TO A COUPLE OF MY APPRAISERS.
MY APPRAISERS TELL ME THAT EVEN IF THESE HOUSES ARE SELLING FOR 65 TO $70,000, THAT THAT IS IN FACT GOING TO IMPACT THE VALUE OF MY HOME, WHICH IS APPRAISED AT 131,000.
NOW WE HAVE A MIXED USE, UM, UH, VALUE IN THAT AREA.
UM, A LOT OF NICE HOMES, UM, UM, DOWN DWINDLING TOWARDS THE WATER, UH, ADD MORE BEAUTIFUL HOMES THERE.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE SUBDIVISION ISN'T NICE, BUT BECAUSE THEY SELL FOR LESS, IT DOES AFFECT OUR VALUE AND VALUE IS TAKEN WHEN AN APPRAISAL WAS DONE ON THE FIRST THREE, THREE MILES AROUND THE HOMES THAT ARE BEING SOLD.
SO THESE HOUSES ARE SELLING FOR 78,000.
IF PEOPLE AREN'T PUTTING MONEY INTO THEM, IT'S REALLY BEING GIVEN TO THEM OR SUBSIDIZED.
I CAN'T REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE VALUE IS GOING TO ESCALATE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE TOMORROW ADVANTAGE AT ALL.
YOU GENTLEMEN AND YOUTUBE, YOU UNDERSTAND THAT WE VOTE YOU IN, WE NEED YOUR HELP.
AND IF YOU WANT US TO CONTINUE TO HELP YOU, YOU'VE GOT TO SUPPORT US.
UM, A STEADMAN STORE FROM TWO 12 NORTH SECOND AVENUE.
AND I JUST WANTED TO STATE MY OPPOSITION ON THE, A LITTLE WHITE HOUSE AT THE END OF THE STREET, WHO IS THE COLLECTION FIRST COLLECTION POND NEXT TO CHERYL AND MIKE.
BUT I'M PRETTY MUCH THE STORM WATER DRAIN OFF IS MY MAIN OPPOSITION.
AND, UM, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE NOW, THE HOMETOWN PEOPLE BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER WITH ANY OTHER TYPE OF INFRINGEMENT.
AND IF YOU DO MY SUGGESTION, MAN, UH, I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU IF, UH, THE GRANT IS, UH, APPLIED FOR THAT.
YOU PUT AN EXTRA A HUNDRED GRAND IN FOR ME SO I CAN GET THE HECK OUT OF THERE.
MY NAME IS NIKKI GRIMES AND I AM NOT A PUBLIC SPEAKER.
DON'T WORRY ABOUT WE'RE ALL FRIENDS HERE, BUT, UH, THE PROBLEMS THAT THE DIFFERENT ONES HERE TO NOT HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT THE SEWAGE, UH, THE DRAINAGE, ALL OF THESE THINGS, A TRAFFIC, ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE VERY PREVALENT OUT THERE.
HE HAS A LOT OF PROBLEMS, BUT THERE IS ANOTHER PROBLEM THAT SHOULD BE BROUGHT TO, I AM A SUN JOURNAL CARRIER.
I HAVE BEEN DELIVERING THE PAPERS IN THAT AREA FOR MY 25 YEARS.
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AM OUT IN THE PUBLIC AT THE TIME.THESE PEOPLE ARE ASLEEP VARGAS, QUITE A LOT OF, UM, VANDALISM PEOPLE OUT MISSING ALL THE TIMES A NIGHT.
PEOPLE THAT'S GOT NO BUSINESS DOING IT ALL UP IN PEOPLE'S YARDS.
THERE'S JUST A LOT OF THINGS THAT IS GOING ON DOWN THERE THAT IF THE PEOPLE KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THEIR OWN YARDS, THEY'D BE SCARED TO DEATH.
WHAT WOULD THESE PICTURES LOOK GOOD NOW? HOW WILL THEY LOOK? 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD? WOULD IT BE IN A LOW INCOME OR MODERATE INCOME HOUSES? JUST LIKE THE ONES UP AT ALL.
WHEN HE'LL COURT, THE APARTMENTS UP THERE, WHEN THEY WERE BUILT, THEY WERE NICE LOOKING APARTMENTS, GO TO THEM.
NOW, GO TO THEM AND LOOK AT THEM, GET OUT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON AND WHERE THIS TRAFFIC IS COMING FROM RIGHT NOW.
AS LONG AS SHE STAYED, IF YOU PUT THESE PEOPLE MOVING IN, THEY FIND THEM, EVERYTHING'S LOOKING GOOD, BUT ARE THEY GOING TO CONTAIN THEIR PEOPLE IN THEIR HOMES AT ALL TIMES A NIGHT? OR ARE THEY GOING TO BE RUNNING THE STREETS? LIKE IT'S BAD OUT THERE.
YOU SEE ALL KINDS DOING ALL KINDS OF THINGS.
WHILE WE BOUGHT, WHILE WE HAVE GOT THE TRAFFIC, WHILE WE HAVE GOT THE SEWAGE PROBLEMS, WHILE WE DO HAVE THE FLOODING PROBLEMS, WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF VANDALISM PROBLEMS THAT Y'ALL MAY NOT BE AWARE OF.
AND WE WILL BE AS PUT MORE PROBLEMS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
ANYBODY WANTS TO RIDE WITH ME ONE NIGHT.
YOU WOULD SEE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
THERE IS A LOT GOING ON AND ALL THAT Y'ALL MIGHT NOT BE AWARE OF.
AND THIS LOOK JUST ADD TO IT EVEN MORE LUCKY YES, SIR.
IN THE BACK, MY NAME IS REX HAWKINS.
I LIVE AT 5 0 2 NORTH GLEN BURNIE ROAD, UH, HAVE LIVED THERE FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS.
AND, UH, LIKE MR. MELTON, I HAVE ENJOYED THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN A PLEASANT NEIGHBORHOOD TO LIVE IN.
DEALING WITH HATTERAS IS TOUGH.
SOMEBODY IS GOING TO GET KILLED DOWN THERE.
I'VE BEEN RUN OFF THE ROAD SEVERAL TIMES.
I DON'T TRUST THAT STOP SIGN AT ALL.
I HAD A DEPUTY SHERIFF RUN ME, SLAM OFF THE ROAD DOWN.
AT ONE POINT, HE MADE A HALFWAY STOP AND RUN ME OFF THE ROAD.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER HE WAS HEADED TO A CALL OR WHAT I HOPE IT WAS A CALL.
IT WAS PROBABLY WORTH IT THEN.
BUT IF IT WAS JUST GOING TO COFFEE BREAK, WE'RE HEADED BACK TO THE OFFICE.
AND WE'VE GOT A SERIOUS PROBLEM.
AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC, I'M REALLY CONCERNED.
I'M LIKE MR. UH, UH, BALLENGER HERE.
I'M A LITTLE BIT OFFENDED THAT WE WERE HIT WITH THIS ON SUCH SHORT NOTICE.
HE WAS OFFENDED ABOUT THE CAR ORDINANCE THAT HE WAS HANDED EIGHT PAGE PAPER.
I FEEL LIKE I'VE BEEN HANDED AN ENTIRE VOLUME TONIGHT.
HAD NO IDEA OF WHAT WAS PLANNED TO BE DONE.
THE PREVIOUS MEETING THEY HAD.
I THINK IT WAS A VERY SELECTIVE MEETING THAT WAS DONE QUIETLY FOR PURPOSE.
MR. MOWER SEEMS TO THINK THAT HE'S GOING TO RAISE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BY PUTTING THESE HOUSES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
HE'S PLANNING ON PUTTING 24 UNITS ON A FIVE ACRE LOT.
AT ONE TIME, I THOUGHT THE CITY HAD AN ORDINANCE THAT REQUIRED A MINIMUM OF A HALF ACRE LOT.
HOW DO YOU PACK 24 INTO FIVE ACRES? THAT'S GOING TO BE TOUGH.
AND HE'S GOT A BIG PLAN FOR HAVING A NICE LITTLE PARK OUT THERE IN THE MIDDLE, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, I GUESS GOING TO BE COMMUNITY USE WHATEVER, BUT TO THINK HE'S GOING TO RAISE THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY AROUND HIM.
HE'S MISTAKEN BECAUSE WHAT HE'S DOING, HE'S PUTTING 60 TO $70,000 HOUSES IN THE MIDDLE OF 82, UH, RIGHT AT $300,000 HOUSES.
SOME OF THOSE DOWN BY THE RIVER ARE PRETTY VALUABLE PROPERTIES.
AND I JUST RECENTLY BOUGHT A PIECE OF PROPERTY DOWN THERE.
I KNOW WHAT IT PRAISE FOR THE HOUSE IS ALMOST 40 YEARS OLD AND IT APPRAISED FOR $77,000.
I KNOW WHAT THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY COST ME.
I'VE MADE A SERIOUS DEDICATION, THAT LITTLE BLOCK OF LAND THAT I CALL HOME ON THE CONCERNS OF WHERE THE LOCATION IS AT.
WE'VE BEEN HIT WITH A DOUBLE WHAMMY.
THE CITY HAS DECIDED TO TURN MARTIN MARIETTA INTO A SEWER.
THEY'VE RAISED BY DOING WHAT THEY'VE DONE IN THAT AREA.
THEY RAISED THE WATER TABLE TREMENDOUSLY.
FOR YEARS, MARTIN MARIETTA HAS PULLED AT WATER TABLE DOWN.
IT HAS KEPT THE WATER OUT OF THE AREAS DOWN THERE.
I DON'T HAVE THE WATER PROBLEM THAT SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN OAKLAND GARDENS ARE HAVING, BUT THEM, I SYMPATHIZE.
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THEM.I'VE BEEN OVER THERE AND SEEN THE HOUSES WHERE THE WATER STANDING IN THE YARDS.
AND THEY'VE GOT A PROBLEM WITH A WATER TABLE WE'VE BEEN HIT.
IF THEY PUT THIS PROJECT IN, WE'RE GOING TO BE HIT WITH A DOUBLE WHAMMY.
WE'RE TRYING TO DEAL WITH THE WATER SITUATION ALONE AND TO TURN AROUND AND PUT 24 HOUSES IN FRONT OF AN INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX HANDLING 800 TO A THOUSAND PEOPLE TWICE A DAY.
I WOULD CHALLENGE YOU GENTLEMEN, TO SPEND A DAY ON GLEN BURNIE ROAD.
I THINK IT WOULD BE AN EYEOPENING EXPERIENCE LOOKING AT THE PLAN THAT I SAW TONIGHT FOR THE FIRST TIME.
THE THING THAT CONCERNS ME IS THE SINGLE ENTRANCE.
AND THAT IS SOMETHING I THINK IS SERIOUS BECAUSE, OR I LIVE AT, AND I'M A QUARTER OF A MILE AWAY.
I'VE ADDRESSED THE ISSUE WITH MY FAMILY ABOUT WHAT TO DO.
IF HATTERAS EVER HAS A SERIOUS BUYER, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? WE'VE GOT NOWHERE TO GO, BUT A RIVER OR CUT THROUGH THE WOODS TO GLEN BURNIE PARK.
AND I'VE TOLD MY FAMILY, I SAID, NIGHT OR DAY.
I SAID, IF IT'S REALLY A BIG FIRE, YOU HEAD THROUGH GLEN BURNIE PARK WALLET.
DON'T TRY TO DRIVE OUT OF HERE.
AND THAT'S A SERIOUS ISSUE THAT I THINK SHOULD BE LOOKED AT HERE.
THEY'RE BUILDING A COMPLEX WITH ONE WAY IN ONE WAY OUT.
AND THEIR WAY OUT IS GOING TO BE TO COME RIGHT UP FRONT TO HATTERAS.
GOD FORBID THEY EVER HAVE A SERIOUS FIRE THERE, BUT IF THEY DO, I'M GOING TO GET JUST AS FAR AWAY FROM IT AS I CAN.
THEY'VE ALREADY HAD AN EXPLOSION THERE.
IT WOULDN'T HAVE TAKEN MUCH MORE TO REALLY BEEN A BIG PROBLEM.
I THINK MR. MOORE IS UNDER THE MISTAKEN IMPRESSION THAT HE'S DOING US A FAVOR BY PUTTING 24 UNITS ON FIVE ACRES IS NOT GOING TO DO ANYONE A FAVOR, US OR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE.
I STAY AT
MY NEIGHBORS HAVE SAID IT ALL.
I AM AGAINST GARY WARD COMMENTS BEND DOWN ON NORTH SECOND AVENUE.
AND THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO DO TO HELP ALLEVIATE THE KINDS OF PROBLEMS THAT THE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVING OR WHEN THIS PROJECT WAS FIRST PROPOSED AND ANY NEW BURN.
WHAT WE'RE NEEDING IS FOR THE FIRST TIME HOMEOWNERS HOUSING, WE SUGGESTED THAT WE HAVE A MEETING WITH THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE I KNEW THAT THE PEOPLE DOWN IN NORTH SECOND AVENUE WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN.
COUPLE OF STREETS THAT HAD, UM, I WOULD HOPE THAT THAT IF THE COMMUNITY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SIT DOWN AND IF THEY CAN WORK OUT THESE SITUATIONS, I KNOW DRAINAGE IS A REAL BAD PROBLEM FOR US UP THERE, ESPECIALLY AFTER IT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION OFF OF WHAT THE PEOPLE ON NORTH SECOND AVENUE.
AND I ALSO KNOW THAT THE PROBLEM OF, UH, HATTERAS YACHTS, DEFINITE PROBLEM, THAT WE CAN'T GET A STOPLIGHT AT THE CORNER OF SEVENTH STREET OR ANY PLACE TO STOP THAT TRAFFIC AT ANY TIME.
WE TELL, I, WE SAID TO THEM, I SAID TO HIM IN PARTICULAR THAT THEIR TRAIN DRAINAGE IS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM.
IF YOU CAN ADDRESS THAT AND THAT TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM.
WE APOLOGIZE THAT IF YOU DIDN'T GET THE FIRST NOTICE ABOUT THE MEETINGS THEY HAD, WE COULD HAVE POSSIBLY SIT DOWN AND UNDERSTOOD WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED.
THE ONLY THING, NO, SIR, I DON'T THINK IT WAS OKAY, BUT OKAY.
IF I FINISHED WITH MY STATEMENT, YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS ADDRESS THE SITUATION AS IT IS BEING PROPOSED TO US THE SAME.
YOU HAD YOUR CHANCE, YOU HAD YOUR CHANCE AND WE LISTENED TO YOU VERY MUCH TIMEOUT.
SO THE DISCUSSION IS ONLY IF YOU'VE ALREADY HAD YOUR CHANCE, PLEASE LET US UP HERE.
WE GAVE YOU THE BENEFIT OF THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK.
WE NEED YOU TO HAVE SILENCE IN THE AUDIENCE SO THAT WE
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CAN DELIVER RIGHT UP HERE.THE DISCUSSION IS FOR THE BOARD.
NOW, TIMEOUT, DON'T SAY ANYTHING.
SIR, WE HAVE GIVEN YOU, SIR, WE HAVE GIVEN YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE HER.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY TO EXPLAIN TO YOU PROCEDURALLY, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH US NOW, COULD YOU PLEASE LET THIS GENTLEMAN KNOW IF I DON'T KNOW, I'M SITTING UP HERE AND I HAVE THE TOUGHEST JOB AND TRYING TO MODERATE THE DISCUSSION.
I'VE GIVEN EVERYBODY OUT THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK.
WE WILL, UH, WE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU TOLD US NOW IT'S OUR TURN TO TALK AND WE'RE DELIBERATING TRYING TO HELP YOU.
I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO BE A GIVE AND TAKE, BUT RIGHT NOW YOU'RE, UH, YOU, YOU SHOULD BE SILENT, PLEASE.
YOU SAY ANOTHER WORD AND I'LL ASK YOU TO MOVE THE LEAF.
I DON'T WANT, I'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE.
PLEASE HOLD YOUR COMMENTS TO LATER, MUCH LATER TO NELSON UNDER THE RULES OF THE BOARD.
ONCE THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN CLOSED, THE MOTION WAS MADE AND SECONDED AND THE MODERATOR MAY APPROACH HIM, DECLARE THE PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED.
OKAY? THE DECISION HAS NOT YET BEEN MADE ON WHAT THE, UH, I'M LISTENING TO EVERY WORD, BUT I IT'S JUST, IT'S FRUSTRATING BECAUSE WE, WE WANTED TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAD TO SAY, BUT NOW YOU WON'T GIVE ANYBODY UP HERE, A CHANCE TO RESPOND.
IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S NOT A TWO-WAY CONVERSATION, UNLESS WE CAN TAKE PART.
THAT'S ALL THAT WE'RE DOING IS WE LISTENED TO EVERYONE.
AND IF THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK NOW, I'LL BE GLAD TO SIT HERE AND LISTEN.
BUT AT SOME POINT, UNLESS YOU JUST WANT TO PREACH TO US AND NOT HAVE A CONVERSATION, IF SHE WANTS TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE, THAT'S ALL ON OTHER WORDS, ARE WE NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK AT THE MEETING? THAT'S ALL WE WANT TO DO.
WE LISTENED TO THE PUBLIC INPUT.
NOW IT'S OUR TURN TO DELIBERATE ON WHAT WE HAVE HEARD.
AND WE REQUIRE THAT YOU LISTENED TO US.
AS WE LISTENED TO YOU, PLEASE.
WE DON'T WANT THIS TO BE AN ADVERSARY, A RELATIONSHIP.
WE WANT THIS TO BE OPEN AND, UH, VERY PUBLIC.
SO WILL YOU LISTEN TO WHAT WE HAVE TO SAY, PLEASE? AND MY POINT WASN'T THAT WE WERE GOING TO TAP THEM.
I WOULDN'T SAY ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD NOT HAVE UNDERSTOOD.
SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND ME THAT AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE HERE, AS SOME OF YOU, I'D LIKE TO DO, WHAT IS PLEASING TO THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.
AS I HAVE SAID TO MR. MOORE AND THE OTHERS, WE CONTACT THE COMMUNITY AND WE FIND OUT HOW THE COMMUNITY FEEL ABOUT THIS ISSUE IS THE WAY THAT THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN RESPONDS TO IT.
YOU GUYS IS THE DEAL HERE IS THAT MR. MOORE AND THE OTHER ONES MADE A PROPOSAL.
I WAS GOING TO APOLOGIZE TO YOU FOR THE FACT THAT YOU WERE NOT INFORMED.
I ASSUMED YOU HAD BEEN WHEN THEY HAD THE COMMUNITY MEETING.
I WISH IT HAD BEEN DONE SO THAT YOU WOULDN'T FEEL THAT YOU HAVE TO SIT HERE AND ATTACK US.
FOR ANY REASON, WE HAVEN'T DECIDED ANYTHING OR REQUESTS HAD BEEN MADE TO US.
IN REGARDS TO THAT REQUEST, WE HAVE MADE MR. AND OTHERS AWARE OF THE FACT THAT WE WERE INTERESTED IN WHAT YOU FELT AND THAT'S WHY THEY SENT YOU, LET US TO MAKE
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SURE YOU KNEW WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED TO US.NOW YOU HAVE GIVEN US YOUR OPINION TONIGHT, AND WE LISTENED TO YOU.
AND BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I DO ENCOURAGE IT WITH THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TOLD US ABOUT.
AND IF THEY CAN'T ADDRESS THOSE THINGS, THEN THEY CAN EXPLAIN THEM TO YOU.
IF YOU WANT IT TO HEAR THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING, SIR.
NOW I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOUSING IN THE CITY, NEW BERN.
EVERYBODY KNOW THAT I LIKE TO SEE ADEQUATE HOUSING FOR FIRST TIME HOME OWNERS, BUT I'D LIKE FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THE SITUATIONS TO BLEND.
AND IF IT DOESN'T, THEN IT WON'T GO SEE, OKAY, IT'S A COMMUNITY.
AS OPPOSED TO A DEVELOPMENTS IN THE COMMUNITY, IT DOESN'T MAKE IT BETTER.
IT GIVES YOU A NOISE SCIENCES THAT ARE NOT NECESSARY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT FOR THE FAMILIES WHO MIGHT NECESSARILY GO THERE.
SO THE DEVELOPERS AND THE COMMUNITY CAN WORK OUT THE DIFFERENCES.
THEN WE CAN HAVE A CHANGE IF THEY CANNOT, THEN IT CANNOT BE OKAY.
NOW I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST TO MR. MOORE, YOU KNOW, ANY, HOWEVER THEY WANT TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS.
THAT'S ALL I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST TO THEM.
HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS AS YOU MAKE YOUR PROPOSAL TO US? MADAM ALL THE MONEY YOU ARE.
YOU ARE PLEASE TALK LOUD ENOUGH SO THEY CAN HEAR YOU.
UH, THERE MUST BE A PERFECT FIT IN ORDER FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT TO WORK.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE NEVER COME BEFORE YOU TO, TO DO ANYTHING ILLEGAL.
YOUR, YOUR CITY ORDINANCE SAYS THAT IF, IF SOMEONE WANTS TO BUILD, UH, THEY SHOULD CONTACT THE OWNERS A HUNDRED FEET.
WE WENT, WE WOULDN'T BE ON THAT.
UH, YOUR, YOUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR TOLD YOU THAT YOU'RE GOING TO ALWAYS HAVE A DRAINAGE PROBLEM.
UH THAT'S I CAN'T DO ONLY GOD CAN ADDRESS THAT PROBLEM ADEQUATELY.
THE BEST THAT WE CAN DO IS TO DO EXACTLY WHAT, WHAT OUR ARCHITECT HAS PROPOSED.
WE CAN CATCH THE FIRST INCH OF RAIN AND WE CAN, WE CAN BUILD THIS WITH, WITH DRAINAGE IN MIND SO THAT IT DOES NOT INADVERTENTLY OR NEGATIVELY AFFECT THE COMMUNITY.
THAT IS, THAT IS AS FAR AS WE CAN GO, BECAUSE IT IS IN A, IN A, IN A LOW AREA.
AND WE EASTERN NORTH CAROLINA MUST BE WILLING TO DEAL WITH THAT FACT, UH, I NEVER INTENDED TO DO ANYTHING TO, TO NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE COMMUNITY.
I THINK, I THINK IF ALLOWED TO PROCEED, THIS WOULD, THIS WOULD ONLY ENHANCE THE COMMUNITY.
UH, WHENEVER YOU TAKE PEOPLE WHO ARE, HAVE A CHANCE TO BETTER THEMSELVES, UH, WITH, WITH, WITH QUALITY HOUSING, THIS IS NOT A GIVEAWAY PROGRAM.
IT IS NOT A SUBSIDIZED PROGRAM.
EVERY DIME THAT GOES INTO THESE HOUSES MUST BE PAID BACK.
SO IT IS, I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO THINK THAT, THAT THIS IS JUST A, A WELFARE PROGRAM.
THIS IS, THIS IS A HOME OWNERSHIP PROGRAM IN WHICH EVERY FAMILY, EVERY PARTICIPANT MUST PAY.
IF THEY DON'T PAY, THEY CAN'T STAY.
IT'S JUST THAT SIMPLE, THE TRAFFIC ISSUE.
WELL, I WOULD BE WILLING TO HELP WHATEVER, DO WHATEVER I COULD WITH DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND CITY OF NEWBURGH TO TRY AND GET A STOPLIGHT THERE.
I THINK THAT IF WE ADDED FIVE EXITS, IT WOULD NOT DEAL WITH THE PROBLEM HATTERAS, BECAUSE THAT IS A PROBLEM WITH HATTERAS.
I WOULD, I WOULD BE WILLING TO DO ALL THAT.
I COULD TO GET A STOPLIGHT THERE.
I AM A COUNTY COMMISSIONER IN BEAUFORT COUNTY.
I HAVE DEALT WITH THE FARMER TRANSPORTATION BEFORE, AND I'M NOT AFRAID TO TELL YOU WHAT, WHAT I CAN DO.
UH, I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD BE A LITTLE REMISSED IF I SAID THAT I'M A LITTLE EMBARRASSED.
CAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE HAVE TO COME TOGETHER AND ATTACK EACH OTHER.
I MEAN, I'M HERE AND I'M OPEN.
IF, IF, IF THIS WON'T WORK HERE, BELIEVE ME, THERE ARE NO HARD FEELINGS.
THE ONLY THING I'M TRYING TO DO IS TO INCREASE THE HOUSING STOCK IN THE, IN THE CITY OF NEWBURGH.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT I'M TRYING TO DO.
AND I WOULD HOPE THAT THE GOOD CITIZEN, THE NEWBURN
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WOULD GIVE ME THE RESPECT AND GIVE YOU THE RESPECT OF NOT ATTACKING YOU.WE, WE, WE, WE ALL GOT TO LIVE TOGETHER AND I DON'T, I DON'T CARE WHAT GOES ON ON THAT, ON THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY.
SO I'M, I AM, I AM, UH, UH, STRONGLY IN FAVOR OF GETTING WITH THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE YOU ARE, YOU ARE EXTREMELY CORRECT.
IF, IF THE COMMUNITY DOES NOT LIKE THIS, IT WON'T WORK.
I DON'T CARE WHAT I BUILD THERE.
THEY, IF THEY DON'T LIKE IT, IT WON'T WORK.
BUT LET ME ASSURE YOU, NO MATTER WHAT WE CAN DO IN TERMS OF THE DRAINAGE.
IF I, IF I DO EVERYTHING THAT THE LAW REQUIRES YOU, I STILL CANNOT GUARANTEE THAT THERE WILL NOT BE FLOODING.
THE PLANNER CAN'T GUARANTEE IT.
YOU CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE WE'RE IN A LOW AREA.
IF YOU ALLOW ME TO PROCEED WITH THIS AND IT IS, I AM WITHIN THE RIGHTS IN TERMS OF THE ORDINANCE I AM WITHIN THE RIGHTS IN TERMS OF THE LAW.
IF YOU ALLOW ME TO BUILD IT, IT IS NOT THAT YOU WOULDN'T BE PROUD OF IF BY CHANCE YOU THINK THERE'S TOO MUCH PRESSURE AND THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T UNDERSTAND, THEY DON'T WANT TO GET TOGETHER.
JUST, JUST GIVE ME, GIVE ME THE CHANCE TO YOU.
YOU DON'T, YOU DID NOT HAVE TO ASK THEM THEIR OPINION.
NOW YOU DID IT BECAUSE IT WAS, IT, IT WAS MORALLY THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
AND I DON'T, I DON'T MIND DISCUSSING WITH HIM, BUT WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU ORDER THE STAGE, YOU HAVE TO MEET WITH THE FIRST HUNDRED FEET, WE WENT 200.
AND IF, IF, IF THEY WANT TO MEET, I'LL MEET WITH THEM.
WE CAN STAY ALL NIGHT TONIGHT.
WE CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO.
I JUST WOULD LIKE A CHANCE TO MAKE THIS WORK.
SO WHAT ARE YOUR PROPOSAL? I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY THAT YOU WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THIS GROUP TO TRY TO, AT THIS POINT, AT THIS POINT, I DON'T THINK THAT ANYTHING I CAN SAY TO THEM WOULD CHANGE THEM.
POP PUBLIC WORKS HAS, HAS, HAS GIVEN YOU THE EXPLANATION AND WE WILL NOT INADVERTENTLY AFFECT THE DRAINAGE.
UH, PLANNING HAS TOLD YOU THAT IT IS LEGAL, AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING I CAN DO BASED ON THEIR, THEIR, THEIR ATTITUDES TOWARD THE, THE OVERALL COMPLEX.
SO I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT ELSE I CAN OFFER.
WELL, THE FIRST THING YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, YOU CAN'T CONTROL THAT.
AND I, I HONESTLY FEEL THAT 23 HOUSES WILL HAVE A NEGLIGIBLE IMPACT ON THE TRAFFIC PROBLEM.
THAT'S A PROBLEM THAT'S, UH, RELATED TO HATTERAS, WHICH IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, I GUESS IT'S A, UH, AN INCONVENIENCE OF, UH, PROGRESS.
I MEAN, HATTERS IS GOOD FOR THE CITY.
THAT'S THE BIGGEST CONCERN I HAVE THE IMPACT, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THAT THERE ARE STATE LAWS THAT ALREADY EXIST.
THAT'S GOING TO, UH, CONTROL THE AMOUNT OF FLOODING.
I THINK, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU BUILD THIS PROJECT OR NOT, THEY'RE GOING TO BE SOME PROBLEM BECAUSE THAT'S A LOW LINE AREA.
IN FACT, IT'S LOW IN MOST OF NEWBURGH.
I HAVE PROBLEMS WITH MY OWN RESIDENTS.
I'LL TELL YOU IF MY NEIGHBORS WEREN'T ON EITHER SIDE OF ME, I WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM, BUT HEY, THAT'S THE PRICE YOU PAY TO LIVE IN MODERN TIMES, YOU GOT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE ALL AROUND.
I THINK THIS IS A GOOD PROJECT.
I THINK THAT THE INCOME LEVEL THAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH 21,000 TO 34,000, THIS IS PROBABLY THE LARGEST DEMOGRAPHICS FOR PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY.
I REMEMBER IN THE PAST, WE'VE, UH, WE'VE LOST MANY PROJECTS BECAUSE WE WERE MY OPIC CLOSE MINDED FEAR.
URBAN RENEWAL NEVER REALLY CAME DOWN HERE BECAUSE THE OLD CITY FOLLOWER TURN EVERYTHING DOWN.
AND, UH, RIGHT NOW A FRACTURE CAN GO IN THAT SAME SITE AND THEY CAN USE FLAMMABLE GOODS.
THERE'S NOTHING THE COMMUNITY COULD DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
I THINK THIS KIND OF USE WOULD HAVE MINIMAL IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORS.
ANY TYPE OF INDUSTRIAL USE WOULD NOT BE TO THEIR ADVANTAGE, YOU KNOW, IN LIGHT OF ALL OF THAT, I THINK FLOODING IS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM, BUT I THINK AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO BE NETHERLAND, BUT IN LIGHT OF ALL OF THIS, A LOT OF WHAT EVERYONE HAS SAID, I'M GOING TO MOVE THAT.
WE ALLOW YOU TO GO AHEAD WITH THIS PROJECT.
UH I'D LIKE, I'D RATHER, OKAY.
MOST OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS MYRA.
SO I REPRESENT THE PEOPLE THERE AS I TOLD YOU BEFORE.
AND MY CONCERN WOULD BE FOR THE PEOPLE THERE I'D LIKE FOR THEM TO BUY INTO IN SOME WAY THIS PROJECT
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AND WHICH THE WOOD, BUT SOON AS THEY DON'T, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ANOTHER EFFORT MADE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO SEE YOUR PROJECT, BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR THE COMMUNITY TO BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY AND IF THEY STILL OPPOSED, AND I GUESS I STILL REPRESENT THEM AND THEIR CONCERNS.AND SO THE GOSSIP, HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT, I REPRESENT THE PEOPLE OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE PEOPLE OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
I SHOULDN'T DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT HOW IT WOULD DEFINITELY IMPACT THEM.
THEY JUST BELIEVE IT WOULD IMPACT THEM NEGATIVELY.
AND UNTIL THAT IS RESOLVED, I'D LIKE TO SEE US NOT KILL IT, BUT MAKE ANOTHER EFFORT TO ADDRESS THAT.
NOW, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THE PROBLEM OF DRAINAGE IS A PROBLEM.
AND I THINK THAT THE CONCERN OF THE COMMUNITY WAS NOT TO ADD TO THE PROBLEM THAT WE ALREADY HAVE OUT THERE.
AND WE HAD A DEVELOPMENT RIGHT BEHIND, OFF SECOND STREET THAT WAS JUST CAME UP.
AND THEN THE PEOPLE ON OFF SECOND STREET BEGAN TO FEEL THE EFFECTS OF THAT AFTER IT WAS DONE.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE FELT WE SHOULD CONTACT THEM FIRST SO THAT THEY WILL LOOK UP ONE DAY AND THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT BEING BILLED AND THEY NOT KNOW THAT IT'S BEING BUILT AND HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE INPUT ON WHETHER OR NOT IT WOULD IMPACT YOU.
SO I WOULD, I LIKE TO BE FAIR ABOUT THINGS, YOU KNOW, I REALLY DO, REGARDLESS TO HOW I MIGHT PERSONALLY FEEL ABOUT A SITUATION AND I LIKE TO BE FAIR.
AND I, ESPECIALLY WITH LIKE THE COMMUNITY IN WHICH I REPRESENT TO FEEL A LITTLE COMFORTABLE WITH THE THINGS THAT GOES ON AROUND THEM.
SO I WOULD ASK THAT WE NOT MAKE A DECISION ABOUT YOUR PROPERTY.
AND LET YOU Y'ALL GIVE THE BURDEN OF PROOF ON YOU.
I, I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH AFS, MR. METZ, WHO IS THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNER DID MEET WITH THE CITY PLANNER, THE, UH, PUBLIC WORKS AND THE, UH, ENGINEER.
AND THEY SPOKE ABOUT MANY OF THESE CONCERNS.
I DON'T, I DON'T MIND DOING THAT AT ALL.
I GUESS, I GUESS MY QUESTION FOR YOU WOULD BE IF WE MEET, I'M SORRY, WHEN WE MEET, UH, AND THERE IS NO SYNERGY THEN WHAT, AND IT'D BE UP TO THIS BOY, UH, THEN HOW SOON CAN WE MEET? I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU.
I WOULD LIKE TO, I WOULD LIKE TO SET A MEETING NOW WHILE THEY'RE HERE.
WELL, THAT'S UP TO YOU HOW YOU'D LIKE TO WORK IT OUT.
UH, DO YOU HAVE A CALENDAR? EXCUSE ME.
UM, HOW ABOUT GIVING HIM THE CALENDAR AND SEE IF YOU CAN'T PROPOSE A DATE TO THEM RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN AS LONG AS IT'S BEFORE OUR VERY NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS THE SECOND TUESDAY OF DECEMBER, CAN WE ARRANGE A MEETING PLACE? UH, IS THERE A MIKE, CAN YOU FIND A CONVENIENT MEETING PLACE FOR THE FOLKS TO HAVE A MEETING SO THAT THEY CAN BRING WHOEVER ELSE THEY WOULD LIKE TO, UH, BRING TO THE MEETING THAT IS GOING TO BE IMPACTED BY THE DECISION? UH
IS THAT THE BEST MEETING PLACE IN THE AREA? WOULD YOU RATHER MEET HERE? WOULD YOU RATHER MEET IN THIS ROOM? WOULD YOU RATHER MEET HERE, BUT WOULD YOU RATHER MEET HERE? I'M ASKING THERE IS AN OPTION.
UH, H J MCDONALD HAS A CAFETERIA YOU COULD MEET IN AND THAT'S CLOSER TO
HOW ABOUT HJ, MAN? CAN YOU GET THAT AS CLOSER TO HIM?
HOW ABOUT NOVEMBER THE SECOND? TALK TO THEM.
AND THEN THE THIRD CONCERN, AND I HAVE SUBMITTED A LETTER TO THE MANAGER REQUESTING THAT SOME OF THESE SAME CONCERNS
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BE ADDRESSED AT THE HEARING.SO I MIGHT SUGGEST THAT AFTER YOU HEAR SOME OF OUR CONCERNS SURROUNDING, WELL, I THINK WE OUGHT TO RESOLVE THIS ONE FIRST AND THEN INCORPORATE ANYWAY, IT'S NOVEMBER 2ND.
AND WE HAVE, WE GOT TO TAKE CARE OF THIS, AN ISSUE.
WE NEED TO DO THIS IN GOOD FAITH.
REALLY? WE'RE TRYING TO, BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO RESOLVE THIS CURRENT ISSUE RATHER THAN TO GO IN A NEW BUSINESS, WHICH YOU WILL GET A CHANCE.
YOU'LL GET A CHANCE TO ADDRESS THAT AT THE NEXT WEEK, BRAIN TRAFFIC AROUND THE BOLTS AROUND HERE, ALL THOSE ISSUES IMPACT YOU ON THE 14TH.
LIKE WHEN YOU REQUESTED YOU HEAR OUR CONCERN ABOUT THE OVERALL AREA AND SEE IF HE DOESN'T HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHERE WE ARE COMING FROM AS A COMMUNITY, REVEREND MORE, ARE YOU UNDER ANY TIME CONSTRAINTS? WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT, DOES THAT DO ANYTHING TO YOU? DOES THAT IMPACT YOU? IT DOES.
THERE IS A, A REGULATION THAT WILL TAKE EFFECT AND I NEED TO QUICKLY MOVE ON THIS.
IF, IF, IF ALLOWED, I, I THINK, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE INITIAL THING THAT WE VOTE UP AT THIS MEETING DISCUSSED, UH, AT THE EARLIEST POSSIBLE DATE THAT WE CAN GET EVERYBODY TOGETHER.
AND THE REST, YOUR SAID SITUATION LATER.
I MEAN, WE'LL, WE'LL CONSIDER THAT AS A, ALL A PART OF THE OVERALL PROJECT.
THE OVERALL COMMUNITY PROBLEMS. THIS CAME UP ALL OF A SUDDEN WHILE WE WERE TRYING TO, UH, PROBLEMS AND WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT AND THIS COMPOUND, SO THERE WAS NOTHING HE CAN SAY AT A MEETING, THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE YOUR MIND THERE'S PROBLEMS. I THOUGHT WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY.
THEY DON'T WANT TO BE NO, I THINK, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT WE HAVE, UH, THE NEXT MEETING WITH THE, THAT WE'VE PROPOSED TO HAVE WITH REVEREND MOORE AND CITIZENS OF THE COMMUNITY, INCLUDING MR. MCKEON.
AND WE CAN DISCUSS IT ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
I MEAN, UH, UH, HE HAS A TIME CONSTRAINT AND I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING JUST BECAUSE OF TIME CONSTRAINTS THAT WOULD IMPACT YOU NEGATIVELY.
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE FIRST ISSUE TAKEN CARE OF INITIALLY WITH THE OTHER STANDING.
ARE THERE OTHER ISSUES CONCERNING THE SAME PROJECT WE'VE LIVED IN DUPER 30, 40, 50 YEARS? A COUPLE OF DAYS, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THIS EFFORT FOR SPEED, I'M JUST, I'M JUST TRYING TO WORK THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD TO GET
I'M LISTENING TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WOULD YOU PREFER TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE
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IT AS PART OF A REGULAR MEETING, WHICH MIGHT MAKE IT AWFULLY LONG DRAWN OUT, BUT I'M JUST ASKING WHAT YOU WOULD PREFER.IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.
UM, LET, LET ME FINISH, LET ME FINISH THE QUESTION.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS WOULD YOU LIKE TO SCHEDULE A SPECIAL MEETING TO DISCUSS THE ISSUES IN THE LETTER, WHICH I HAVEN'T SEEN? OR WOULD YOU STILL WANT TO HAVE IT ON THE 14TH? THAT'S MY QUESTION.
DO YOU WANT A SPECIAL MEETING OR DO YOU WANT IT THE 14TH? I'M TRYING TO BE OVER.
BUT MS. MR. MAYOR DID THE APP UNDERSTAND WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS? I UNDERSTAND THAT.
UH, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, LET THIS GENTLEMAN PRESENTED YOU AND ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS AND STEAL THOSE CONCERNS THAT YOU'RE HAVING WILL ALWAYS IS GOING TO STAY WITH MS. LEE.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO BE FORGOTTEN.
AND AT THE SAME TIME, UH, THE CONCERNS THAT YOU WANTED TO SHARE WITH US ON THE 14TH, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN JUST DISCUSS WITH HIM, BUT THIS PROBLEM NEEDS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF WITH YOUR CONCERNS.
AND BECAUSE OF THAT, TO ME, THAT SHOWS THAT TO ME, TO ME, THAT SHOWS THAT THERE IS SOME COMMITMENT TO US TO WORK WITH YOU.
I MEAN, IT COULD HAVE BEEN EASILY DONE TO SAY, HEY, THAT'S FINE.
BUT I'M SAYING, IF YOU JUST MEET WITH A GENTLEMAN, LET HIM EXPLAIN IT.
AND IF YOU'RE STILL NOT SOLID ON IT, THEN MS. LEE WILL, WE'LL GET THAT INFORMATION BACK TO US AND THAT'LL BE DONE.
THEN WE MOVE ON TO THE ISSUE OF YOUR LARGER COMMUNITY PROBLEM WITH THE OTHER DRAINAGE PROBLEMS. ALL I'M SAYING IS LET'S TAKE CARE OF THIS ISSUE.
THEN ON THE 14TH, WE'LL DEAL WITH THE LARGER PICTURE.
AND THEN IT'LL BE OUT OF WAY, YOUR DISCUSSION WILL BE THROUGH THE DISCUSSION ON THIS ISSUE.
WHAT WOULD OH, WE'LL BE THROUGH WITH IT.
AND THEN ON THE 14TH, WE'LL COME BACK AND DEAL WITH THE BIGGER PICTURE.
WE DIDN'T SAY HE KNEW ANYTHING MORE ABOUT THIS TOWN.
WE'RE SAYING THAT TIME HAS WHAT TO EXPLAIN THE SITUATION.
NO ONE SAID THAT HE KNEW MORE ABOUT THIS TOWN.
NO, HE DIDN'T SAY TRYING TO BE FAIR.
ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS WHEN DOES COME BEFORE JUST THE SHARED RESPONSIBILITY OF EACH OF US HAVING SOME DIALOGUE, THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL.
AND I THINK THE DISCUSSION IS CLOSED AT THIS TIME.
WE'VE GONE TOO FAR TIMEOUT, SIR, WILL YOU PLEASE BE SEATED? PLEASE BE SEATED.
THE MEETING IS THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
WE HAVE HEARD YOUR ALL COMMENTS.
WE WANT TO COME UP WITH A RESOLUTION OF WHAT WE HAVE ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH EVERYBODY.
I MEAN, THIS IS A, UH, COMMUNITY SPIRITED MEETING.
WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE YOUR INPUT, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT.
AND THIS DECISION IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO MEET AGAIN AND LISTEN TO, UH, FURTHER DISCUSSION AFTER THEY GOT COMMENTS, ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FROM YOU FOLKS.
WE DON'T WANT TO IMPOSE ANYTHING ON YOU RIGHT NOW.
WE WANT TO WORK TO BE FAIR AND IMPARTIAL.
WE'RE TRYING TO SET UP A SCHEDULE RIGHT NOW.
IF EVERYBODY BE QUIET, SCHEDULE NOVEMBER 2ND, MR. MAYOR.
BUT, AND THE ONLY, THE ONLY REASON THAT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MEET SOON IS BECAUSE THE DIVISION OF COMMUNITY ASSISTANCE HAS JUST OPENED THE REGULATION FOR HOUSING DEVELOPMENT.
FOR FIRST TIME, HOME OWNERSHIP, BECAUSE OF THE FLOOD, YOU COULD ONLY DO APARTMENTS MULTI-FAMILY AND NOW THAT IT'S OPEN, IT'S VERY COMPETITIVE.
AND IT IS IMPORTANT THAT IF WE, IF WE DO DECIDE TO GO FOR THAT, I NEED TO QUICKLY GET A GRANT IN BEFORE THE WINDOW CLOSED.
WE WANT TO GIVE YOU EVERY OPPORTUNITY, BUT WE ALSO MUST CONSIDER THE CITIZENS ROMANCE AS WELL.
BUT WE'RE TRYING TO EXPEDITE THIS THING.
SO WE DON'T WAIT TILL THE 14TH.
CAN WE GET ONE MEETING OUT OF THE WAY AND GET SOMETHING RESOLVED THERE? WE'RE NOT GETTING ANYTHING RESOLVED TONIGHT, BUT LET'S GET SOMETHING RESOLVED THEN.
AND THEN GO TO THE NEXT, THE SECOND LADY.
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YES.I JUST WANT TO SAY SOMETHING IT'S NOT HEARD AGAINST THE PROJECT.
WE HAVE SO MANY PROBLEMS OUT THERE AND YOU'RE GOING TAKE THIS BAD SITUATION OUT THERE.
THE HOUSES ARE GOING TO GO TO HELL.
HE'S HAD A DEADLINE AND I UNDERSTAND THE PROGRAM DOES HAVE A DEADLINE, BUT YOU NEED TO SEE, YOU NEED TO HEAR IT'S A TOUCH AND FEEL THAT YOU'VE GOT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING TO US.
IF ANY OF YOU HAVE TO WANT TO GET VOTED, AGAIN IS OFF.
YOU'VE GOT TO BACK UP
BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS I TAKE THIS IN INCREMENTS AND WE WOULD TRY, LET'S SAY WE HAVE A SCHEDULE PLACE FOR THE MEETING FOR NOVEMBER 2ND CITY HALL RIGHT HERE.
WHAT TIME IS THE MEETING? WHAT TIME? WHAT TIME IS THE MEETING AND WHO WILL BE THE ATTENDEES? SEVEN O'CLOCK 7:00 PM RIGHT HERE ON NOVEMBER TWO.
WE DON'T HAVE CIGARETTES, EVERYTHING.
AND WE JUST HEARD ABOUT THAT'S WHY WE, IT WILL BE, IT WILL BE ADVERTISED ONE TIME.
THAT'S WHY WE SENT THOSE LETTERS TO YOU SAYING NO, YOU'RE NOT TIMEOUT, TIMEOUT.
WE GIVE YOU YOUR CHANCE TO SPEAK TO.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO NOW IS RESOLVE THAT NOVEMBER 2ND MEETING AND SEVEN O'CLOCK RIGHT HERE.
AND ANYBODY THAT HAS ANY RECOMMENDED INPUT CAN COME AND BE HEARD.
THERE'S A YOUNG LADY AND THE BAND WAS, HAD HER HAND UP FOR A WHILE.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO STAND UP? OH, SORRY.
IF YOU WOULD HAVE ALREADY REQUESTED TO BE ON A RECORDED.
I LIKE TO HEAR FROM THIS LADY BACK HERE, SHE'S BEEN, HAD HER HAND UP FOR QUITE A WHILE.
MA'AM COME UP HERE TO THE MICROPHONE SO WE CAN HEAR YOU.
I LIVE AT 4 0 9 NORTH GLEN BURNIE ROAD.
MY CONCERN WITH THIS MEANY THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO FORM IS THAT I, MYSELF NEVER EVEN GOT THE LETTER FOR THIS MEETING BECAUSE I WAS NOT A PROPERTY OWNER.
SO THEREFORE THE FAMILY'S NAME, THE PERSON'S NAME THAT WAS ON THERE GOT THE LETTER, BUT I DID NOT.
SO MY CONCERN IS THAT NOT ONLY THIS, THE FAMILY OR THE OWNERS OF THE LAND IS AFFECTED, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE ALSO THAT RENT OR LITTLE FAMILY PLOTS NEED TO BE INCLUDED IN THIS, BECAUSE YOU'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT THEIR ITEMS. THEY ARE THEIR OWNERSHIP AND STUFF.
YOU'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT LAND.
SO IF WE ARE GOING TO ANNOUNCE THIS, I WOULD LIKE TO BE INCLUDED TO EVERYONE THAT LIVES IN THERE, NOT JUST ON NURSING.
I AM PERSONALLY INVITING YOU TO THAT MEETING.
AND I'M SURE MR. KEN, DAN HERE FROM THE SUN JOURNAL WORLD, THE AMOUNTS THAT THEY WILL BE ANOTHER MEETING HERE ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT ON THE NOVEMBER 2ND AT SEVEN O'CLOCK AND YOU CAN CALL THEM AND PLEASE BRING YOUR HOMEOWNER OR THE PERSON WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY WITH YOU SO THAT THEY WILL SO THAT THEY WILL BE HERE.
NOW LET'S, UH, I THINK WE'LL RESOLVE THAT.