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YEAH, NO, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM.
I MEAN, HE'S, HE, WE, WE, WE HAVE HIRED HIM TO GET ALL THE INPUT.
HE CAN GET TO COME UP WITH ANSWERS.
YOU'VE ALREADY SAY THAT THEY ARE LOOKING FORWARD TONIGHT.
OH, HEY, WE, WE STILL NEED A FEW WHALES.
LET'S SAY WE WERE GOING TO REPLACE THAT WITH PIPES.
THAT'S THE THING WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE 4 36, 5.
SO WHATEVER WELL, ALL YOU GOT TO DO BEFORE YOU LEAVE HERE.
WELL, THEY EXCHANGE EACH OTHER'S PHONE NUMBER BEFORE YOU LEAVE HERE TONIGHT.
I MEAN, HE, YOU KNOW, HE'S WORKING FOR US AS A CONSULTANT.
DAVID MEANS SPREADING THE INFORMATION YOU'RE AIN'T GOING TO HURT US.
DAVID, BE SURE YOU GET HIS ADDRESS, PHONE NUMBER AND EVERYTHING.
SO I MENTIONED EARLIER TONIGHT THAT IF, IF ANY OF YOU DO HAVE EMAIL AND WANT TO GET COPIES OF THE AGENDA ON THE THURSDAY THAT WE RECEIVED THEM, MY EMAIL ADDRESS IS LISTED ON THE CARD.
SO I'M GOING TO PUT THEM OVER THERE AND PICK UP ONE, SEND ME YOUR EMAIL AND YOU CAN GET THE AGENDAS.
AND THAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO GET THE INFORMATION OUT ANY WAY BECAUSE OF THE LEAD TIME IT TAKES TO GET IT IN THE NEWSPAPER, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT'S JUST THERE WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH.
SO IF YOU DO HAVE ANY MAIL, I'LL BE GLAD TO SEND YOU COPIES OF THE AGENDA.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? YOU GOT SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE NEEDED TO MOVE.
IF Y'ALL GOT ANYTHING ELSE ON THE QUARRY, WE GOT ALL THESE OTHER FOLKS AS WELL.
I'M SURE YOU KNOW HOW TO FIND MR DEVIL, HUH? YES, SIR.
THE PROBLEM THAT I'M HAVING, I'VE CONTRACTED WITH CITY TO DUBIN TO DO A BLOCK GRANT PROJECT.
I UNDERSTAND AT THE TIME I SIGNED THE CONTRACT, I SIGNED IT AS NORRIS.
SHE DEALER HUNT DOING PROPRIETOR.
THE AVERY, A COPY OF THE CHANGES, ASK THEM TO CHANGE IT.
THE CITY HAS GARNISHED $13,500 OF THOSE PROCEEDS.
IT'S SORT OF IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO FINISH THE JOB WITH THE CITY GARNISH AND THE MONEY.
WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE WORKING FOR THE CITY.
UH, I'VE TRIED TO WORK OUT OTHER SOLUTIONS, WEIGH IN.
IF THEY THOUGHT WE OWE THE MONEY AT RATHER THAN TAKE IT ALL IN ONE LUMP SUM, WORK IT OUT FOR THREE PAYMENTS.
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AND I'M COMING BEFORE THIS BOARD ASKED THE BOARD TO CONSIDER RELEASING THE FORM SO THAT THE FORMS CAN BE USED TO DO WHAT THEY WAS INTENDED TO DO.MY UNDERSTANDING IS WHAT LITTLE BIT I KNOW ABOUT THAT SITUATION IS YOU AND THE CITY MANAGER.
I GUESS SOME OF THOSE PERHAPS TO DISCUSS SOME OPTIONS, WAYS OF, OF YOU NOT HAVING TO HAVE THAT MONEY PAID OR TAKEN A HABIT, YOU WANT TO PUT IT ALL AT ONE TIME ATTACHED.
IS THAT A GOOD WORD? I CAN ATTACH A WORD.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT YOU ALL COULDN'T REACH AN AGREEMENT.
WELL, THE REASON WE COULDN'T REACH IT IN GREENLAND WAS BECAUSE WHEN I MET WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, HE SAID HE HAD, THERE WAS FIVE REQUIREMENTS.
AND I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO KNOW THAT REQUIREMENTS, NUMBER ONE, MY ATTORNEY HAD TO DRAW THE RELEASE.
NUMBER TWO, I HAD AGREED TO RELEASE JOHN FROM ANY LIABILITIES THAT HE MAY HAVE HAD.
NUMBER THREE, I HAD A RELEASE THE CITY'S INSURANCE FROM, FROM, FROM, FROM INSURANCE LIABILITIES.
NUMBER FOUR, I HAD TO GET SONNY DOOR TO SIGN THE RELEASE AND NUMBER FIVE, GUARANTEED.
THE CITY THAT THE TAXES WOULD BE PAID BEFORE THE SUMMER 30TH, 31ST OF THIS YEAR, TOP OF THE TEXAS TALKING ABOUT THEIR PROPERTY TAX ON THE PROBLEM.
BUT SAM MAY I MAKE ONE COMMENT? OKAY? HE SAID, HE TALKED TO THE CITY ATTORNEY DAVIS, SCOTT DAVIS AND SCOTT DAVIS HAS TALKED TO ME CONSTANTLY DURING THE COURSE OF THESE NEGOTIATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON THAT DAY.
EVERY INSTANCE FOLLOWED MY SUGGESTIONS AND HOW IT SHOULD BE HIM.
AND I WOULD RECOMMEND TO THIS BOARD THAT IT NOT GET INTO THIS MESS.
HE HAD EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO WORK IT OUT AND HE ELECTED NOT TO.
THE REASON I DID COULD WORK IT OUT.
IT SOUNDED LIKE EXTORTION TO ME AND I WASN'T GOING TO EVER SIGN THAT TYPE OF RELEASE.
AND THE ATTORNEY FOR THE CITY WORKED AT THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD.
AND I FEEL LIKE ONCE THE BOARD HERE, THE PROBLEM, I THINK IT'S THEIR DUTY TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
YOU TOOK ALL THE PROCEEDS FOR A LIEN, NOT TAXES FOR A LIEN.
I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED.
HE HAD A CONTRACT WITH THE CITY.
HE WAS OWED SOME MONEY BY THE CITY AND THE TAX COLLECTOR KNEW ABOUT IT.
SO SHE LEVIED ON THAT AGAINST THE MONEY.
HE OWES THE CITY TO TAKE THAT MONEY AND SEND IT TO THE CITY INSTEAD OF HIM BECAUSE THAT MONEY OVERDUE.
THE MONEY, THE MONEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN PAID TO LAURA, STILL HUNT DOWN THE CONTRACTOR AND ARE STILL HUNT GENERAL CONTRACTING SERVICES DO NOT OWE THE CITY ANY MONEY WHATSOEVER.
ALRIGHT, JOHN CONTRACTOR DIDN'T SIGN THE CONTRACT WITH THE CITY.
BUT I DID MAKE, I HAVE A COPY OF WHERE I'D NOTED AND MADE THE CHANGES.
I UNDERSTAND YOU SUGGESTED THAT TO MR. AVERY, THAT ALL OF THE CONTRACTS BE CHANGED SO THAT YOU COULD COME UP HERE AND MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT YOU'RE MAKING RIGHT NOW.
IT'S THE LAW FOR NORMAL, STILL A HUNT IN HIS INDIVIDUAL CAPACITY TO CONTRACT A JOB THAT EXCEEDS $30,000 NORRIS DEL HUNT GENERAL CONTRACTOR IS AN UNLIMITED CLASSIFIED AND CAN CONTRACT OVER 30,000.
WHEN DID YOU MAKE THAT SUGGESTION TO MS. DAVE? YOU HAVE A, IF YOU LIKE SHIT, LET ME UNDERSTAND.
TO THE CITY THAT WAS PAST DUE, PAST DUE LIENS AND TAX AND TAXES THAT EQUAL THE AMOUNT OF MONEY HE WAS SUPPOSED TO GET FROM THE JOB HE WAS WORKING ON.
ONE GIRL, ONE GIRL, ONE, YOUR CONTRACT, I THINK WAS FOR WHAT? 30,000, THE CONTRACT IS $32,200 LEVIED AGAINST 13, SOMETHING THEY DID.
AND THE COUNTY TAX COLLECTOR DID ALSO, THEY, THEY, THEY LIVE IT THAT WHOLE DRAWING THE WHOLE 13,000 LIEN FOR TURNED OUT IN THE BUILDING.
THAT'S IN QUESTION, IS IT QUESTIONED AT THE PRESENT TIME? WELL, I WANT TO KNOW AND ADVICE, THE ATTORNEY ATTORNEY IS FOR US NOT TO GET IN IT.
TWO THINGS IS ONE, IS THERE A LEGAL PROCEDURE HERE
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THAT HE'S BEING BROUGHT THROUGH WITH YOU ALL THE HANDLING? I MEAN, WE CAN'T, I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF LIKE GETTING INVOLVED, I GUESS, ON THE SPEEDING TICKET IT'S OUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S KINDA SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T DONE UNLESS IT WAS LET ME ADDRESS IT.THERE WAS A CHECK ISSUED BY THE CITY 13,000 AND SOMETHING LIKE IN CONNECTION WITH THE JOB HE WAS DOING FOR THE CITY ON THE REHABILITATION OF A HOUSE.
THE TAX COLLECTOR WHO IS CHARGED WITH THE RESPONSIBILITY OF COLLECTING TAXES AND LIENS SUCH AS US AZTECS ISSUE, NOT ATTACHMENT.
SO AS TO GET THE FUNDS, WHICH THE CITY WAS PAYING TO HIM JUST AS IF IT BEING PAID TO HIM BY XYZ CORPORATION, THE LAW PROVIDES THAT THAT CAN BE DONE.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THAT HADN'T BEEN DONE DURING THE COURSE OF THE, UH, MR. DEL HUNTER NEGOTIATION, CRYING TO WORK OUT SOMETHING ABOUT WHICH HE COULD GET THIS MONEY BACK OR GET THIS MONEY.
HE WAS TOLD BY SCOTT THAT IF HE WOULD DO CERTAIN THINGS, INCLUDING HAVING HIS LAWYER DRAW THE AGREEMENT, WHICH WOULD RELEASE HIS CLAIM AGAINST JOHNNY CLARK IN CONNECTION WITH THE DEMOLITION OF THOSE BUILDINGS, HIS CLAIM AGAINST THE CITY, BY REASON OF THE DEMOLITION OF THOSE BUILDINGS AND THE OTHER THINGS THAT HE MENTIONED THAT THE CITY WOULD GO ALONG WITH THAT, HAVING A PART OF EACH PAYMENTS TAKEN BY THE CITY TO PAY THE TAXES, PAY THE LINK.
HE WANTS TO SEE MOKI MOKI WOULD WITHOUT A POUND, I THINK.
AND HE WENT AND SEE JOHN HARMON, JOHN CALLED SCOTT AND TOLD HIM HE WAS GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GET IT DONE.
AND THAT'S WHY HE DIDN'T GET AS MUCH.
WHAT KIND OF CLAIM DOES HE HAVE AGAINST JOHNNY CLARK AND THE CITY? YOU HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OF THOSE?
AND I THINK IT'S THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD HAVE THE PROPERTY TO HAVE ILLEGAL.
YOU SAID THAT, THAT YOU HAVE SUBMITTED AGAINST JOHNNY AND, AND US THE CITY, IS THAT LIKE A LEGAL THING? HE'S DONE EVERYTHING, BUT FIVE
SO SCOTT SUGGESTED, AND I AGREED WITH HIM THAT IF WE WERE GOING TO WORK OUT THE THINGS TO ACCOMMODATE HIM ON THIS $13,500, HE NEEDED TO RELEASE ALL THESE CLAIMS. HE SAID HE HAD AGAINST THE CITY ARISING OUT OF THE DEMOLITION OF THOSE APARTMENTS THAT THE CITY WORKED WITH HIM ON FOR 10 YEARS.
THAT'S WHEN YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY INTEREST AT ALL IN THE, BEFORE THREE YEARS AGO AND UNDER ANY NAME 10 YEARS AGO IN 1985
SO WERE THEY, UH, I ASKED BY AND
WAS HIS TAXES OVER ASSESSMENT OR LET'S CALL THEM TAXES.
IN OTHER WORDS, THAT HE AND HE DEMONSTRATED, UH, UH, THAT HE WAS NOT GOING TO PAY MR. MAYOR.
HE IS TURNING ALL KINDS OF CARTWHEELS.
YOU TRYING NOT TO NOT TO PAY THAT THREATENING TO SUE THE CITY.
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HAD I KNOWN THIS WAS COMING UP.I WOULD HAVE BROUGHT A WHEELBARROW FULL OF FILES TO SHOW YOU WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON.
BUT DOES ANY OF THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANY, ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE JOB THAT HE HAS? CAUSE, I MEAN, WE GAVE HIM A CONTRACT TO RENOVATE THE, ARE THEY TWO SEPARATE ISSUES? THEY SOUND LIKE, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE COUNTY ALSO FILED.
IT GETS PART OF JUST THE COUNTY.
DO IT, NOT JUST THAT HE'S VIOLATED TO BOTH AREAS.
UM, WHAT, UH, WHAT PART OR PARTS, AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE CITY HAS OFFERED YOU ONE CAR OR PARTS OF IT.
THE BACK PROPOSAL IS THAT YOU DON'T LIKE WE'RE RELEASING JOHN
MS. THEY WILL, THEY WILL SEND YOU, UM, HE DIDN'T, HE DIDN'T HOOD WEAKNESS BOARD TO ME YEARS IF WE WORKED FROM IT.
NUMBER TWO
ALL OF THAT WILL GO AWAKE ANYWAY, EVERYTHING.
BUT IF I KNEW HOW TO PLAY AND I WOULD SAY, I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD CONTRACT WITH ME TO DO A JOB THAT YOU GO ON IS ALL THE MONEY FOR ME FOR SOMETHING SHOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED.
I DON'T THINK THAT SHIT TODAY.
I TEND TO QUESTION WHETHER WE SHOULD HAVE CONTRACTED WITH HIM TO DO A JOB, BUT WE DID, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO LEAVE THE LEGAL PART UP TO
THE GENTLEMAN THAT'S WORKING IN THIS HOUSE.
SO IF YOU DON'T GET THE MONEY, YOU CAN'T COMPLETE THE HOUSE
WHAT OTHER AREA COULD THEY GARNISH? UM, CAN WE DO THIS SANDY? HOLD IT.
NO, NOT THE CITY, THE CITY, THE CITY, UH, USE LONG FOR ME TO ATTACH, UH, WHAT THEY CONSIDER AN ENFORCEABLE LIEN.
WOULD YOU AGREE TO THAT? IF THEY USE LAWFUL MEANS CAN'T YOU TRY TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, THE, THE CITY, LIKE QUID PRO QUO, SOMETHING FOR SOMETHING
IF THE LIEN IS VALID AND THEY LEGALLY ATTACHED TO IT, YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? AND THEY GET LEGALLY, BUT IT'S VALID UNTIL IT'S BEEN PROVEN.
OTHERWISE, THE ONLY WAY IT'S GOING TO BE DECLARED INVALID IS THAT A JUDGE ISN'T GOING TO HAVE TO SAY AS INVALID.
SO YOU REALLY, YOU REALLY CAN'T BARGAIN TOO MUCH.
I MEAN, I'M NOT TRYING TO TAKE UP FOR THE CITY, BUT, BUT THE CITY ATTORNEY, THE BOARD IS GOING TO STAY OUT OF IT.
BUT I'M TRYING TO GET YOU TO THAT.
I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS DOCUMENT NEWTON VERSUS WHAT'S FROM SEVEN.
WELL, I'LL TELL YOU SOMETHING.
I CAN'T READ THIS IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME AND GIVE YOU AN INFORMED OPINION ABOUT WHAT IT STATES AND MUCH MORE, HOW MUCH MORE WORK IS HE GOT OR HOW MUCH MORE DOES THE CITY, IF YOU SEE PAYING? WELL, I KNOW WE'VE CHECKED, WE'VE GIVEN HIM CHECKS FOR WHAT? ABOUT $12,000.
SO WERE PRETTY CLOSE TO BEING FINISHED WITH IT OR SHOULD BE AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
HOW MUCH MORE DO WE OWE ABOUT $5,000.
OH 8,000 PLUS YOU OLD CHANGEOVERS FOR WHAT? I MEAN, AT LEAST.
SO NOW $8,000 FOR SWAT, MR. DILLON HUNT SAYING, SO, I MEAN,
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OUT OF 33,000, I MEAN, WE'VE ALREADY HAD TWO DRAWS.IF YOU WERE GOING TO DRAW A THIRD ON EACH, IT ALL, WE W WE ARE A FOURTH ON EACH DRAW.
WE WOULD ONLY HAVE ONE DRAW LEFT IN, IN THE MEANTIME, MAYBE YOU'VE PRESENTED THOSE CHANGE ORDER HAS BEEN APPROVED.
SO YOU DON'T, YOU CAN'T COUNT THEM.
SO THAT'S NOT REALLY PART OF WHAT COULD BE ATTACHED.
ALL I'M TRYING TO SAY IS OBVIOUSLY IF THERE'S NOT ENOUGH MONEY OUT THERE HANGING TO COVER THE $13,000 AND THAT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT PROBLEM.
AND THEN THE CITY MIGHT BE IN A POSITION OF HAVING TO TAKE WHAT HE CAN GET.
WHY DID HE GET IT?
WHAT WAS IT? WHAT WAS THE CONSIDERATION THERE? IT'S JUST NOT ENOUGH.
I MEAN, HE'S NOT, IT'S NOT DOING ENOUGH.
AS FAR AS WE'RE CONCERNED TO GIVING BACK MONEY, THAT'S ALREADY IN OUR POCKETS.
I MEAN, THAT'S, WE, WE GOT THE MONEY.
AND IF WE'RE GOING TO AGREE TO GIVE HIM ANY OF THAT MONEY BACK, THEN WE WANT TO BE SURE TO HAVE A BUNCH OF THINGS.
NUMBER ONE IS WE GET OUR MONEY BACK IN THE LONG-TERM, WHICH MEANS A QUARTER OF EACH DRAW THAT WE HAD, THAT WE WERE GOING TO DO UNTIL IT WAS ALL GONE.
THE OTHER THING WAS THE VARIOUS AGREEMENTS THAT WE HAD IN PLACE, WHERE HE WOULD RELEASE THE CITY FROM LIABILITY.
THE CITY INCLUDES THE CITY'S EMPLOYEES.
AND SO THAT'S, UH, THAT WAS WHERE HE COULD NOT GO.
AND SO WE DIDN'T HAVE AN AGREEMENT.
SO WE CONTINUED TO KEEP THEM UP.
BUT IS THAT, I MEAN IS ILLEGAL TO, TO REQUIRE SOMEBODY TO RELEASE YOU FROM LIABILITY.
I ASKED HIM SOMETHING, ASKING SOMEBODY TO DO SOMETHING, THEN THAT FIRST ONE CAN PUT ANY CONDITIONS ON ANY ANYMORE.
I DON'T KNOW OF ANY LEGAL PRECEDENT WHERE YOU GIVE BACK MONEY, YOU'VE ALREADY ATTACHED AND GOT IT IN YOU.
SO THE TAX COLLECTORS DOING HER JOB AGAIN, BUT HE ASKED US TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
I SURELY WANTED TO DO IT MYSELF, BUT THIS THING IS SUCH A LEGAL QUESTION.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M CAPABLE OF FIGURING OUT WHAT THE RIGHT THING IS.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THESE GUYS.
THAT'S WHAT PUTS US ON THE BOARD.
AND I, AND I THINK, I MEAN, WE, WE WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING, BUT I CAN'T, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE IN AND, AND MAKING SOME KIND OF A CALL ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
CAUSE I DON'T, I'M NOT A LAWYER.
I UNDERSTAND THAT SHE TALKS ABOUT 10%, THEN TALK ABOUT A HUNDRED PERCENT OF WHAT YOU HAVE DONE.
IT TALKS ABOUT CANVAS AND I SUBMITTED A COPY ON ADMIT, NOTICE THAT THE SERVER, YOU TALKED ABOUT, YOU GOT IT.
IT'S NOT, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
I'M LIKE WHAT? THE CONDITIONS OF THE CONTRACT WORK? WELL, HE SAYS THERE'S LIQUIDATED DAMAGES OF $50 A DAY.
AGAIN, THAT'S WE CAN'T, I CAN'T, I KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT, IT'S NOT BAD AT CONTRACT ROOFING.
AND THEN YOU JUST TAKE ALL THE MONEY THAT I ONLY WENT INTO SUBCONTRACTOR.
SCOTT PUT
PUT YOUR CORPORATION DOES NOT
LET'S IF THE CITY TOOK FROM, FROM YOUR CORPORATION FOR A PERSONAL MATTER, I'M SURE YOU CAN GET AN INJUNCTION TO REQUIRE THE CITY TO, UH, HAND IT BACK OVER TO YOU.
IF IT'S TRUE, BECAUSE YOU WILL PROBABLY BE SUFFERING SOME KIND OF IRREPARABLE HARM.
AND UH, TO ME, THIS SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF LITIGATION IS BREWING AND THE BOARD IS GOING TO
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LISTEN TO THE CITY ATTORNEY BECAUSE CLAIMS HAVE BEEN FILED AND THE MIRROR IS TELLING YOU THAT IT'S GONE BEYOND THE SCOPE OF WHAT HE TRULY UNDERSTANDS.LITIGATION IS BREWING, AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING I'M TELLING YOU, BUT I HATE TO TELL YOU THIS, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET JOHN OR MOKEY TO DO SOMETHING.
WHAT I DON'T KNOW, BUT IF I SIT IT TOO FAR FROM YOUR COOPERATION, I DIDN'T SHAKE IT TO
IT'S A LEGAL, I DON'T KNOW HER LAWYER, BUT I'M NOT THE CITY'S LAWYER.
SO THAT'S WHAT I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT AS, AS AN INDIVIDUAL, I SACRIFICE IF YOU, IF HE NEEDED MONEY AND YOU DON'T HAVE IT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I ALSO HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, AND I THINK I'M TRYING TO SHOW SINCE 93, SINCE I'VE BEEN SITTING IN THIS VERY HOT SEAT AND I TRY TO BE REASONABLE, BUT I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE, UH, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT I HAVE TO REPRESENT, AND YES, YOU'RE A TAXPAYER AND YOU'RE A CITIZEN AS THEY OPEN 23,000.
I ALSO, THAT'S WHY HE SENT ME HERE.
AND FOR US TO, OR FOR ME, FOR ANY OF US TO TRY TO GET, TO TRY TO UNTANGLE THIS TANGLED UP LEGAL THING ON OUR OWN WOULD BE SOMEWHAT AKIN TO GETTING INVOLVED IN A MEDICAL PROBLEM TONIGHT.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE QUALIFIED.
AND SO YOU, I'M JUST SAYING THAT I, I HAVE TO DEFER TO THE LAWYER.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND ALL THAT YOU KNOW, IS NORTHVILLE CORPORATION AND THIS GUY SAT THIS AND THAT ONE SOUND THAT, THAT ONE DREW THIS.
I MEAN, FOR ME AS AN INDIVIDUAL THAT USED TO GO IN THERE AND TRY TO, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'D BE DOING THE RIGHT THING, BUT ANOTHER FRONT OF 3000 PEOPLE, I'VE GOT TO RELY ON THIS, MAN.
WE CAN DO A LOT, WE KNOW A HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH.
WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH MR. DUB.
WE DON'T HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH MR. DOVE YET THAT I KNOW OF.
AND SO, I MEAN, HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO PAY ALSO, HE'S GOT TO PAY HIS SHARE OF THAT.
SO HE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GET OUR MONEY ANY WAY THAT WE CAN GET IT.
THAT'S WHAT THE LAW REQUIRES US TO DO.
BUT, UH, AT THE SAME TIME, I WANT TO ADVISE THE BOARD THAT MR. DELAHUNT, WE'RE AWARE THAT IT'S CREATED PROBLEMS FOR MR. DELAHUNT.
AND WE HAVE WORKED WITH HIM TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN HE HAS THIS MONEY, DO WE HAVE HAND CUT CHECKS TWICE, WHICH WE NEVER HAND CUT CHECKS REALLY TO ANY VENDOR, BUT WE'VE HANDCUFFED THEM TO HIM SO THAT HE WOULD GET HIS MONEY EARLY, THE MONEY THAT HE IS NOW GETTING, UH, AFTER THE ATTACHMENT AND, UH, TRIED TO WORK WITH HIM TO THAT EXTENT THAT HE WOULD HAVE THE MONEY JUST AS QUICK AS HE COULD TO GET IT IN HIS POCKET SO HE COULD DO SOMETHING.
THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN BEAT TO DEATH, BUT IT'S A LEGAL TERM AND WE SHOULD, SHOULD RELY ON OUR LEGAL ADVISORS TO TAKE, I DON'T HAVE A CHOICE.
I MEAN, I CAN'T, I CAN'T UNDERSTAND ALL THESE INS AND OUTS OF IT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT OUR, MY EXPERTISE IS IN.
SO IT HAVE TO RELY ON THE LEGAL SYSTEM TO, I HEARD IT OUT, I GUESS.
WELL, THERE WAS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UNLESS YOU INCORPORATE AND $37,000 OR 13,000, THAT WOULD BE ILLEGAL AND YOU WOULD BE PERSONALLY LIABLE.
SO YOU REIMBURSING AFTER WE'VE GOT IT.
IF YOU COULD BE PERSONALLY LIABLE, IF WE DON'T COLLECT IT, NOT, NOT THE CITY.
CAUSE WE'RE GIVING BACK TO CITIZENS MONEY.
NO, THEY WERE RIGHTFULLY DO I GUESS WHAT HE SAY? WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU SPOKE TO ME, DID NOT TELL YOU THAT AS A ALDERMAN, I COULD BE PERSONALLY LIABLE FOR TRYING TO INTERVENE IN THIS PROCESS.
NO I, BUT I'M SAYING, BUT THAT'S WHY I COULDN'T DO IT.
I WOULDN'T DO ANYTHING BECAUSE I TOLD YOU THAT I THOUGHT THAT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT I WILL BE PERSONALLY LIABLE.
IF I TRY TO CIRCUMVENT THAT TAX COLLECTION PROCESS WELL ACTUALLY COLLECTED
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I'LL BE SUGGESTING THAT THE LAWYERS GET WITH HIM, WE'RE WILLING TO ENTER AN AGREEMENT WITH, THEY NEED TO GET WITHOUT ATTORNEY OR GET HIS OWN ATTORNEY.LIKE I LIKE, I ALSO CHAIR TO THE ATTORNEYS.
HE'S AGREED TO THE TERM AND YOU PUT IT IN WRITING.
HE WOULDN'T MET WITH, PUT IT IN WRITING.
ANYBODY ELSE ON PETITION OF CITIZENS? YEAH, IT'S NOT.
WE'LL MOVE ON THEN TO ITEM, NUMBER SIX, FAMILY HEARING ABOUT THE NORTHERN US RELATIVE TO ANNEXATION OF TUB, BURN AWAY THE ENTRANCE TO, TO BURN A SUBDIVISION.
IS ANYBODY HERE TO SPEAK FOR THAT OR AGAINST HIM? ANYBODY HERE AGAINST HIM MAKE A MOTION AND A PUBLIC HEARING BE CLOSED.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT ALL IN FAVOR, SAY I MAKE A MOTION.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, IF NOT, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
IT FEELS FUNNY WHEN YOU DON'T CALL MY NAME ON DAN, JUST CALL IT ANYWAY.
I CAN'T VOTE, BUT I'VE BEEN STRIPPED I'M A SEVEN PROBABLY HEARING CONCERNING POTENTIAL PROGRAM AMENDMENTS TO THE 1998 AND 2000 DRR PROGRAMS. ANYBODY HERE, OPPOSED TO THAT? WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC, HEARING BACK ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, IF NOT, UH, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
AND THAT WE NEED TO DO ANYTHING ELSE, MIKE, RIGHT HERE, ACTIVITY REVISIONS.
IS THAT WHAT WE NEED TO DO? I MOVE, WE APPROVE THE ACTIVITY REVISIONS FOR THE 1998 AND 2000 DRR PROGRAM AND AUTHORIZED THE MAYOR TO SIGN PROGRAM AMENDMENTS FOR THE 1998 AND 2000 VR PROGRAMS. FURTHER DISCUSSION.
IF NOT ALL THE ROLE ON THAT ONE, I GUESS.
WE ADOPT ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION AGAIN? YES, YES.
DO WE HAVE ANY POINTS ON THE BOAT? NO, SIR.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TONIGHT.
ANYBODY GOT IT? I'M DOING THIS ON BEHALF OF JULIUS, PAUL HAM.
I REALLY HATE TO DO IT, BUT I MOVED.
WE, UH, NOMINATE ANNA DAWN'S FROM, TO THE APPEARANCE COMMITTEE.
IS THAT WHAT? UM, THEY WERE HOLDING THEIR, OKAY.
THAT'S NOT, THIS IS NOT UNWORN.
MISCELLANEOUS MISCELLANEOUS, MR. FREE.
WE HAD A, AN INCIDENT OCCUR SUNDAY MORNING IN WHICH TWO PEOPLE WERE BITTEN BY A DOG RUNNING LOOSE ON THE PROPERTY OF THE Y YMCA.
THERE WERE ACTUALLY FIVE DOGS AND THEY WERE LOOSE.
AND THIS IS A VIOLATION OF THE LEASH LAW.
NOW I UNDERSTAND WE DON'T WANT TO BE OVERBEARING WITH CONTROL OF THESE ANIMALS, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE AN ANIMAL THAT'S DANGEROUS ENOUGH TO ATTACK AND BIKE.
TWO PEOPLE IN AN AREA, WHICH IS NORMALLY, THIS WAS EARLY SUNDAY MORNING, NORMALLY HEAVILY POPULATED BY CHILDREN.
AND THE KNOWLEDGE THAT THESE SAME DOGS WHO WERE ALLOWED TO RUN LOOSE FAIRLY OFTEN AT LAWSON CREEK PARK, I THINK WE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER, AND I DON'T WANT TO, I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO TURN THE POLICE OFFICERS INTO DOG CHASERS, BUT IN THE CASE OF THE OFFICERS WHO ASSIGNED TO SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOODS, IT MIGHT BE WISE FOR US TO TRY TO PREPARE A DISCREET ONE, ONE PAGE SHEET WITH THE BASICS OF THE LEGALITIES OF THE LEASH LAW AND ENCOURAGE THESE OFFICERS.
WHEN THEY SEE SOMEONE WITH DOGS RUNNING LOOSE, HAND THEM, OR GIVE THEM
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ONE OF THE SHEETS AND PLEASE LET THEM KNOW WHAT THE LAW IS IN A FRIENDLY MANNER.SO THEY WILL BE ABLE TO BETTER ADHERE TO THAT LAW.
UM, ONE OF THE BITE TEES IS IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM BACK THERE WEARING A UNIFORM RIGHT NOW, IT WAS NOT THE DOG'S BEST TODAY BECAUSE ONE OF THE PEOPLE, HE BIT WAS A POLICE OFFICER AND INSIDE THE BUILDING OR BILL HARTMAN AND MYSELF.
SO, UH, THE DOG PICKED A BAD LOCATION ON A BAD DATE AND DECIDED TO START BITING.
BUT NO, IT DIDN'T BITE ME, BUT HE BIT KID AND, AND ANOTHER GENTLEMAN WAS BITTEN FAIRLY SEVERELY AND THEY BOTH WENT TO THE HOSPITAL TO GET CHECKED OUT AND THE DOGS RABIES TAG WAS OUT OF DATE.
SO, UM, I, I THINK REALLY IT MIGHT BE GOOD.
THESE PEOPLE WERE RELATIVELY NEW ARRIVALS IN NEW BERN AND QUITE POSSIBLY, WE'RE JUST NOT AWARE OF THE FACT THAT THEY WERE IN VIOLATION OF THE LAW MAY, IS I WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO BE CONSIDERED THAT PERHAPS A ONE SHEET BIT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE ORDINANCE BE PREPARED AND THEN NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICERS WHO GO TO THE SAME AREAS ALL THE TIME.
THE BA HAVE THOSE AVAILABLE TO PASS OUT TO PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE, WHO ARE IN VIOLATION, JUST SO THEY WILL BE AWARE.
AND IN THE FUTURE CAN TAKE A LITTLE BETTER CONTROL OF THE ANIMALS.
I KNOW, UH, THAT WAS A LUCKY DOG BECAUSE KIT WAS THERE ATTENDING CHURCH.
HE WAS NOT IN UNIFORM AND IT WAS NOT ARMED OR MIGHT'VE BEEN A BAD, REALLY BAD DAY FOR THAT DOG.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANYBODY BITTEN.
I, IF THAT HAD HAPPENED SUNDAY AFTERNOON, THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN A LOT OF LITTLE KIDS IN THE PLAYGROUND THERE.
AND IT MIGHT'VE BEEN MUCH, MUCH WORSE THAN WHAT HAPPENED TO THE DOG.
UH, IT'S IT'S BEING, IT'S BEING, UH, QUARANTINED FOR THE REQUIRED AMOUNT OF TIME.
AND, UH, THEY'RE MAKING SURE THAT THEY'VE GOT THE RIGHT INFORMATION ON THE LAPS OF THE RABIES VIOLATION.
LIKE I SAY, THE PEOPLE THAT RECENTLY MOVED HERE AND THEY WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE VIOLIN AND THE VACCINATION WAS A THREE-YEAR VACCINATION THAT TURNED OUT TO BE ONE YEAR, WHICH EXPIRED LAST YEAR, I HAVE NO IDEA AND NOBODY WAS GOING TO ASK THE DOG.
NOBODY WANTED TO GET CLOSE ENOUGH TO IT, BUT THE DOG IS CONFINED NOW FOR THE REQUIRED AMOUNT OF TIME FOR A QUARANTINE PERIOD TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO FURTHER MEDICAL PROBLEMS WE HAVE MADE THIS LONG.
IT'S GOOD FOR THE SOUL MAKES THE SHORT CALENDAR.
UM, I THINK BEING AS LOW, NO RECOUNTS FOR NORTH CAROLINA, I REALLY FEEL LIKE THAT THIS BOARD SHOULD INVITE, UH, NEWLY ELECTED OFFICIALS TO, UH, SIT DOWN TO THE LUNCH OR DINNER AND HAVE A PRESENTATION MADE OF OPPOSITION WITHIN THE, IN THE CITY AND OPPOSITION ON ELECTRIC CITIES AND SO ON TO MAKE OUR REPRESENTATIVES AWARE OF, OF THE CITY'S POSITION.
MAYBE WE CAN DIRECT OUR CITY MANAGER TO TRY TO MAKE RAIN FOR SOMEONE ELSE.
CAUSE THAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST, WHATEVER.
THEY NOT REALLY AWARE, KIND OF SEE FIELDS.
AND THEN THEY FIND THAT AFTER THE, I THINK WE SHOULD DO IT RIGHT, RIGHT AWAY.
THEY GET SORT OF SETTLED IN OVER A BIT.
I WISH FROM NOW ON YOU TELL ME STUFF LIKE THAT BEFORE THE MEETING SO I CAN STEAL IT.
YOU SLIP OUT WHEN MOMMY, BUT ANYWAY,
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY TO MR. REINER, AREN'T YOU NOW GLAD THAT WE DIDN'T WATCH THAT LOUSY FIGHT.
A LITTLE BIT OF HUMOR IN OUR, UH, IN OUR INFORMATION BOOKLET THIS WEEK, UH, I WON'T USE ANY NAMES.
THIS IS FROM SOMEONE WHO WAS FROM OUT OF TOWN AND IT'S A, IT'S A VERY COMPLIMENTARY LETTER TO OUR CLERK, VICKY JOHNSON, WHO IS OUT OF TOWN THIS WEEK.
UH, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING THE WAY IT WAS WORDED EARLY THIS MONTH I DROPPED INTO YOUR OFFICE.
I WAS TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING ABOUT THE BURIAL PLACE IN CEDAR GROVE OF SOME OF MY LONG DEPARTMENTS.
UH, YOU WERE MOST KIND OF HELPING ME, INCLUDING DIGGING UP OLD RECORDS OUT OF THE VAULT.
AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS INTERESTING.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS AN INTERESTING BARBARA, DOES THIS REMIND YOU OF THE OLD DAYS I'M GETTING ANTSY NESTLE.
WE'VE DONE THAT WITH COUNTY COMMISSIONERS BOARD'S CONSIDERATION.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO DO IT, THE CONTRACT WHERE THE FIRST CRAVE AND SANITARY DISTRICT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THEIR ATTORNEY AND HE WAS GOING TO REPRESENT IT TO THEIR BOARD TONIGHT AND HAVE THEM APPROVE IT.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THE CONTRACT, I'LL HAVE IT SIGNED BY THE MAYOR AND THE CLERK TOMORROW.
THIS CONTRACT IS WITH THE SANITARY DISTRICT OVER CROSS, THE
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NEUSE RIVER, WHICH WILL PROVIDE WATER TO THE NEW DEVELOPMENT.IT'LL BE CITY OWNED SYSTEM AND WE WALK THEY'LL HOLD THEY'LL WHOLESALE WATER TO US.
WE'LL PURCHASE IT FROM THEM AND DISTRIBUTE IT TO CITY CUSTOMERS OVER THERE.
IF YOU WANT DO IT OR MOVE, WE ADOPT THE RESOLUTION ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, IF NOT ALL THE ROLES, PLEASE, SIR.
ANYTHING ELSE? ITEM NUMBER 17.
WE NEED TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS PROPERTY ACQUISITION, SYLLABLE.