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PRAYER BY PATRICIA THOMAS APPRISED, THIS CHURCH, LET US PRAY.OH GOD, WE GIVE YOU A THANKS FOR THIS BEAUTIFUL DAY WE'VE ENJOYED.
AND WE PRAY THAT AS WE GATHER HERE, WE MIGHT TRULY DO YOUR WILL FOR THE CITIZENS OF NEWBURN.
WE PRAY THAT YOU MIGHT GUIDE AND DIRECT THESE ELECTED LEADERS AND TO ALL WHO SERVE THE CITY, THAT IN ALL THINGS, OH LORD, THEY MIGHT BE DONE TO YOUR HONOR.
AND FOR THE WELFARE OF YOUR PEOPLE, BLESS THIS BOARD OF ALDERMAN WHO MEET TONIGHT AND ALL WHO WORK IN THE CITY AND LIVE HERE.
AND WE ASK THIS IN THE NAME OF CHRIST.
BEFORE WE GET STARTED, SINCE FESTA FREE MY STORE, I TOLD Y'ALL ABOUT THE WHITE SOCKS.
I GOT, I GOT TO TELL YOU THIS BEFORE I FORGET IT.
BUT YESTERDAY, SOMETHING HAPPENED TO ME THAT EVEN MAN, YOU WON'T BELIEVE IT.
THEY'RE REALLY GOING TO WANT YOU TO SPEAK TO THEM.
SO AT QUARTER TO NINE YESTERDAY MORNING, I'M SITTING IN MY PAJAMAS.
YES, I WEAR PAJAMAS AND THEY HAVE LITTLE DUCKS ON THEM, BUT THAT'S, AND I WAS READING SOME FAXES THAT HAD COME OFF MY FAX MACHINE AND THE BANK AND ON THEM, THAT MIGHT'VE BEEN WHAT HAPPENED TO YOURS MAX.
AND THEY WERE HARD TO READ AND IT'S IS QUARTER TO NINE, RIGHT? AND I'M READING THESE FACTS AND I'M LOOKING AT THEM SLEEP AND IT LOOKED DOWN AND IT SAYS, LET'S SEE YOU SUPPOSED TO SAY A WELCOME THE NEW CONVENTION CENTER TO THE SOUTHEASTERN LADIES.
UH, UH, GOSH, I CAN'T EVEN FIND GARDENING BEAUTIFICATION SOCIETY AND A GOOD MIC DIED OUT.
SO I STARTED LOOKING AT IT A LITTLE BIT WRANGLED AND THEN A COLD SWEAT.
IT WAS YESTERDAY 15, 15 MINUTES.
AND I'M SITTING IN MY PAJAMAS.
IF I ASKED MACHINE AT NINE O'CLOCK, I WAS WELCOMED.
AND I KNOW IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE.
AND AS I TOLD HIM THAT HIS LANE IS YESTERDAY.
IF THEY WOULD FORGIVE ME, I WAS SCARED OF LIFTING THAT I SAW.
I'M NOT SURE WHILE I'M FULLY DRESSED OR NOT.
I DON'T HAVE ON SOMETHING OF HER.
BUT AS HE TOLD ME LATER, WHEN I CAME BACK, I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO TELL HIM WHAT WAS GOING ON.
SHE SAID, I HEARD A COMMOTION BACK.
AND WHEN I WENT OUT THE DOOR, SHE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HAD HAPPENED.
I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO EXPLAIN ANY OF THEM.
BUT WHEN YOU REALLY THINK ABOUT THE LOGISTICS OF THAT TO BE IN YOUR PAJAMAS, THAT FAR AWAY THINGS THAT ARE READY TO BE MADE
I ACTUALLY HIS MOTORCYCLE, THE MOTORCYCLE.
I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO USE THE VEHICLE THAT RAN WELL, YOU LIVE ON THE RIVER.
IT WAS A LIBERAL FRONT CONVENTION CENTER.
NO, I DROVE A CAR WHEN I SWEAR.
I THINK IT WAS HER HER VEHICLE.
I WASN'T ABLE TO SIGN, BUT I WAS THERE ANYHOW.
TONIGHT IS THE NIGHT WHEN THE REQUESTED THE PETITION.
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE IS HERE FOR THAT? FOR THAT REASON? WE DO HAVE GENTLEMEN, COME FORWARD, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND SAW ME GO BY YESTERDAY.
UH, I'M BABY KOHLER, 33, 15 TACK HOUSE ROAD.
UM, AND I COME BEFORE THE MAYOR AND THE BOARD OF ALDERMEN AGAIN, UH, REPRESENTING THE LEADERSHIP CRAVING THE CLASS OF 2000.
WE'VE MET WITH YOU IN DECEMBER TO DISCUSS OUR PROJECT OVER THE STANDING WHITES, A REC CENTER.
AND WE'RE JUST HERE TO, UH, UH, TOUCH BASE WITH YOU AND LET YOU KNOW THAT OUR GROUP IS ORGANIZED.
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TO START OUR FUNDRAISING.IT SHOULD LAST BETWEEN 30 AND 60 DAYS AND HOPEFULLY BE COMPLETED BY THE END OF MAY, FIRST PART OF JUNE.
AND WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT THE CONTINUED COMMITMENT FROM THE CITY BEFORE WE BEGIN OUR SUBSTANCE SOLICITATION FUNDS.
AND YOU'LL BE GOING TO INDIVIDUALS TO TRY AND RAISE INDIVIDUALS AND SELECT THE BUSINESSES.
AND AGAIN, MANY OF THE COMPANIES THAT SPONSOR DURING LEADERSHIP TRAINING CLASS, WHEN ARE YOU PLANNING ON HITTING ME? YOU BETTER HURRY.
CAUSE IT'D BE THE WAY TO STOP MARKETING HEAD.
AND THAT'S REALLY A GREAT PRODUCT.
WHAT A MAN IS THIS, WHAT TYPE OF, UH, WHERE YOU GOING TO DO? I CAN'T REMEMBER WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO SMALL MARKET SWINGS, ATHLETIC EQUIPMENT.
HE ASKED ME WHAT TYPE OF PROJECT IT'S GOING TO BE COMPARABLE TO, UH, TO LIKE A KID'S VILLE THE PLASTIC AND IT'S GEARED TOWARD ME AND THE NEEDS OF TODDLERS UP TO 12 YEARS.
THEN TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
CONCERN PROBABLY DOES APPLICATION FOR CAPACITY BUILDING GRANT WHILE THE CITY FOR THE NEWS RIVER COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.
AND MR. AVERY, I THINK YOU'LL ENLIGHTEN THIS.
WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS AN APPLICATION TO THE DIVISION OF COMMUNITY ASSISTANCE.
THEY'RE THE ONES THAT FUND THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT PROGRAMS FOR A $50,000 GRANT TO ASSIST IN THE CAPACITY BUILDING OF THE NEUSE RIVER COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.
THE CORPORATION HAS ACCOMPLISHED, UH, SOME NOTEWORTHY, UH, ITEMS IN THE, IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, THE, UH, CHANGE OVER OF BRINGING PARK TERRACE TO NEW AUTUMN CHASE.
UH, THEY WERE A PARTNER IN THAT EFFORT.
UM, ALSO WORKING WITH THE CITY AND HABITAT FOR HUMANITY ON THE 11 U HOUSES ALONG WALT BELLAMY.
AND THIS HAS BEEN DONE REALLY WITH THE VOLUNTEER SPARE TIME OF PLANNING STAFF, WORKING WITH THEM AS A STAFF SUPPORT.
THERE ARE MANY NEEDS OUT THERE TO BE MET AS FAR AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, PARTICULARLY WITH THE GREATER DUGAN BILL STRATEGIC PLAN AND THE FIVE POINTS PORTION OF THE URBAN DESIGN PLAN COMING UP AND WE'VE FELT FOR MANY YEARS, IT WAS TIME FOR THE CORPORATION TO HAVE SOMEONE DEDICATED TO CARRYING OUT, UH, THEIR WORK PLANS, UH, FOR, UH, RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE LOWER INCOME AREAS.
SO, UH, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A TWO YEAR PROGRAM THAT WOULD HIRE A HOUSING AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR.
THAT WOULD BE, UH, AN EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY HOUSED IN THE PLANNING DIVISION OF THE CITY, BUT WOULD BE DEDICATED 100% TO THE WORK OF THE NEUSE RIVER CDC AND CARRYING OUT THEIR WORK PLANS.
AND IN PARTICULAR, THE, THE GREATER DUFFY FIELD PROGRAM, UM, THE PROJECTED COST OVER THE TWO YEAR PERIOD IS 88,050 OF THAT WOULD COME FROM THE STATE, UH, 20 WE'RE PROPOSING FROM THE CITY OVER THAT PERIOD AND THE REMAINING 18 FROM NRCDC FROM REVENUES THAT THEY RECEIVED FROM LAND SALES AND, UH, OTHER SOURCES, THE, UH, UH, FINAL PRODUCT THAT IS EXPECTED BY THE STATE IS A CDBG APPLICATION, UH, WITHIN TWO YEARS, UH, PROBABLY A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION OR, UH, AN APPLICATION FOR A SMALL BUSINESS ENTERPRISE, SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, UH, THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
SO THIS IS WHAT, UH, WE ARE, UH, PROPOSING.
WE'VE MET WITH A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE DIVISION OF COMMUNITY ASSISTANCE WHO WAS A VERY SUPPORTIVE AND VERY ENCOURAGING.
UH, IT HAS ALSO BEEN REVIEWED WITH NRCDC AND, UH, THEY ARE SUPPORTIVE OF IT ALSO.
SO BE GLAD ADDRESSING ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ABOUT POST APPLICATION.
WELL, WHY DON'T YOU JUST SAY, OH, THE NET COST IS TO SAY IT WILL BE $10,000
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A YEAR.AND WHAT WOULD BE THE, LET'S SAY AN ESTIMATED MONETARY TERM AND THE CITY WOULD YET, IF THIS INDIVIDUAL ACCOMPLISHED WHAT YOU EXPECT HIM OR HER TO COUNT? UM, WELL, I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING AT A MINIMUM, THE CDBG GRANT OF 150,000.
UH, THOSE CAN GO UP TO LIKE 250,000 AND THAT'S JUST ONE APP AS YOU, UH, THERE ARE OTHERS THROUGH THE, UH, UH, USTA HAS SOME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS OR RULE CENTER HAS.
UM, AND, UH, SO I THINK IT COULD BE CONSIDERABLE, UH, CERTAINLY INTO THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, UH, WITHIN THAT TWO YEAR PERIOD.
BUT IF THE CITY MANAGER, WELL, WE'RE ALREADY PUTTING THE 10,000 A YEAR BASICALLY INTO THAT PROGRAM ANYWAY, SO THIS WOULD JUST BE DIVERTING THE MONEY WE'RE ALREADY PUTTING IN THERE TO USE IT FOR THE MATCH.
SO IT'S NOT REALLY EXTRA MONEY THAT WE'RE RUNNING LOOKING FOR.
AND SO I THINK IT WOULD BE, I MEAN, THIS WOULD DEFINITELY BE A GOOD PROJECT.
IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO DO MOST DEFINITELY WITH THE PROJECTS.
IT'S ALMOST SURPRISING THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE A NEED FOR SOMEONE WITH, WITH THE PROJECTS YOU'VE ALREADY HAD.
IT, IT PROVED TO BE VERY SUCCESSFUL.
I THINK THIS WILL REALLY OPEN UP A WHOLE NEW AVENUE.
ANY COMMENT FROM THE PUBLIC? DO I HEAR MOTION THAT IS SOMEBODY LOOKING DOWN AND SYDNEY I'M DOWN IN SOUTH SIX NORTH STREET.
THE CDC, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
YOU KNOW, NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION, OUR BOARD MEMBERS HAVE REALLY BEEN DOING AN OUTSTANDING JOB AS A NUMBER PUT FRAUD AND UNDERTAKEN WAS THE WRONG PROJECT OF FOX CHASE.
AND WE HAD FOUND OUT THAT THEY HAD THAT HAVE EVERYTHING IN PLACE WITH THE BOARD.
THE BOARD MET AND GAVE UP SO MANY HOURS OF THAT TIME, MAKE SURE THAT WE WAS ABLE TO DO THIS.
AND YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS IN THAT COMMUNITY SUSTAIN THAT THEY DIDN'T NEED ONE PRODUCT.
YOU BUY A HOME AND NOW YOU BROUGHT IT UP TO SOMEONE THAT IS SO PROUD OF THEM.
THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE BEEN OUT
SO THE ORGANIZATIONS ALONG WITH THE CITY THAT SOMEBODY OUT THERE WOULD BE PROUD TO SEE THAT THIS PLACE BEEN IN THE GREEN PART.
MOST OF THEM HAVE SEEN THE HOUSE WALK, BELLMAN DRIVE.
EVERYBODY WOULD COME THERE, COME DOWN HERE TO TALK TO US AND THEY WALKED BACK, WALKED DOWN.
SO THIS IS, UH, THIS STORY YOU CAN DO WORKING TOGETHER, THE CHURCHES AND
IMAGINE YOU'RE DOING AN OUTSTANDING JOB WITH ALL THE VOLUNTEER COTTON CAME IN.
YEAH, THIS IS JUST, I'M SURE THERE'S GOING TO BE A PILOT
COME ON UP TO THE MICROPHONE AND WE'LL BREAK IN OKAY.
UH, MY NAME IS RON WHITAKER, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, AND I LIVE IN THE WOODS AND A LOT OF MY NEIGHBORS ARE STILL CONCERNED AND WORRIED, OR HASN'T BEEN RIGHT ABOUT IS THE RIGHT TIME, RIGHT PLACE.
I WORK WITH SEVEN, FIVE GENTLEMEN, AND I WANT YOU TO GET HOME.
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I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU, A LETTER OF MY CONCERNS AND OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, THAT MY CONCERNS.AND IF I MAY, I MAY HAVE READ THIS LETTER.
I'M NOT HERE TO DO ANYTHING BUT EXPRESS MY CONCERN.
THIS IS A GOOD, THIS IS A GOOD CITY, YOU KNOW, AND IN ORDER FOR US TO GET THINGS DONE AND ISN'T IMMUNITY, WE GOT TO WORK AGAIN.
THIS IS THE HEART AND THE HEART CANDY.
WE GOT TO WORK WITH THE COMMISSIONERS AND WE GOT TO WORK WITH EVERY COMMUNITY WHERE THE, WHERE THEY LIVE AT, WHETHER IT BE WOULD HAVE BREAKFAST THREE, NO MATTER WHAT.
AND THIS IS HOW A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT I MET AND TALKED TO HAS FAILED OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, IT SAYS WELCOME TO THE MILLENNIUM 2001.
THIS IS A NEW YEAR FOR POLITICIAN.
TELL YOU THAT YOU ARE IN GOOD HANDS.
NOW THAT THEY'RE IN OFFICE, START FROM THE SMALL TOWNS ACROSS AMERICA IS THE BIGGEST CITY OF POWER IN WASHINGTON, DC.
WE ELECTED A NEW PRESIDENT TO RULE ONE COUNTY, NUMBER ONE, POWER UP THREE WORLDS THAT PROMISE YOU EVERYTHING YOU WANT TO HEAR TO GET ELECTED.
HIGH-TECH ALEC, BECAUSE THEY HAVE WHAT IT TAKES TO MAKE OUR STREETS SAFE, TO WALK AND KEEP OUR CHILDREN SAFE.
IN OUR NATION'S SCHOOLS THROUGHOUT THE LAKE.
THIS IS THE SAME GOVERNMENT THAT WE'VE SPENT BILLIONS OF AMERICAN HEART ATTACK DOGS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD AND TELL THESE OTHER COUNTRIES HOW TO CLEAN UP THE BACKYARD WHEN HE CAME CLEAN UP THEIR OWN, BUT WE CANNOT BLAME ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS.
IF THEY DON'T DELIVER WHAT THEY FOUND, WE ARE NOT BLAME ON, ON THEIR OWN FEET DEMOCRAT.
THEY FOLLOWED THEM INDEPENDENT PARTY AT FOUR O'CLOCK CLOCK.
THESE APPROVES WERE POST-PLANNING.
THEY ARE ONES THAT WE WANT TO BELIEVE.
BLOCK THE OFFICIALS FROM DOING WHAT IT TAKES TO MAKE A HAPPY AMERICA, 40 FEET WASN'T ANSWERED.
IT STARTS IN OUR COMMUNITY WHERE THE GOVERNMENT FROM THE RHIZOME ALPHAS IN FLOODED AREAS, BUT IT TAKES FOUR YEARS TO GET THINGS STARTED.
THEN AIRCRAFT HAS THAT REMAINED OPEN THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY AND OUR CITY WHERE A HUSBAND AND WIFE DRUGS TO THEIR HEART, THEIR SOUL, AND MOST OF ALL, THEIR SELF-RESPECT OTHER POLITICIANS HAVE ALLOCATED MONEY TO HELP CLOSE THESE PLACES.
AND WHEN I CAN GO TO BEN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE NARCOTICS AND TELL THEM WHERE HE'S PACKED OUT THE BAR AND THE RESPONSE I GET IS THEY CAN'T DO NOTHING.
NOTHING BECAUSE THAT A THOUSAND DOLLARS DELEGATE FIGHT THE WAR ON DRUGS.
MAN, IF I WANT TO SPEND MY OWN MONEY AT THESE CRACK HOUSES, THEY WERE SENDING AN UNDERCOVER AGENT WITH ME TO GET IT BRIGHT, NEW, SHINY STAR, GOOD DEALERS.
I'M RUNNING OUR THREES, THE LAW 15, GET THE UPPER HAND CONTROL.
SO THIS EXPLAINS TO ME, SOMETHING IS NOT DOING SOMEONE IS NOT DOING THEIR JOB.
AND THE MONEY ALLOCATED IS BEING USED SOMEWHERE.
BESIDES FIGHTING THE WAR ON DRUGS.
WHERE DO WE START WITH COUNTY COMMISSIONER NOTICE NOTE CORRECTLY, MAYOR, THIS LETTER WAS HEAVILY WRITTEN.
I FEEL EMBARRASSED IF I WAS LEFT OUT IN THE CROWD, UH, COUNTY COMMISSIONER, THE MAYOR HAD A LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENT OR THE CASHIER WHO CAN'T SEEM TO GET THIS JOB DONE OR DOES RESPONSIBILITY LAY WITH THE PROBATION AND PAROLE OFFICERS WHO NEED TO KEEP CLOSE EYES ON THE CRIMINALS AND THE SIDE WITH THEM FOR VIOLATIONS.
MAYBE WE CAN BLAME THIS ON THE ATTORNEYS OR MAKE MONEY OFF KEEPING THE DRUG DEALERS ON THE STREET AND THE JUDGE, IF HE WERE TO BLEED, PUT THEM AWAY, BUT LET'S NOT STOP THERE.
COULD IT BE THE STATE OFFICIALS WE SEND TO WASHINGTON DC OR THE ONES RESPONSIBLE OR, UH, OR IS IT THE GOVERNOR CLOSED HIS EYES, BRO? IT IS OKAY FOR STREETS TO BE FILLED WITH CRACK COCAINE, HEROIN AND THE NEWEST DRUG ECSTASY.
THESE ARE THE VERY SAME ROAD THAT LEADS TO OUR HOMES, OUR SCHOOLS AND WORKFORCE TAKING AWAY THE LIVES OF INNOCENCE OF OUR CHILDREN THROUGHOUT THE LAND.
THESE ARE CHILDREN OF KNOW CERTAIN THINGS THROUGH, FROM CONCEPTION, RIGHT UP TO ADULTHOOD.
THEY ALL AFFECTED NO MATTER WHAT AGE THEY ARE, SOMEONE'S CHILDREN.
WE HAVE DRAWN THE MILITARY FORCE IN THE WORLD AND THE BIGGEST DRUG PROBLEM THAN ANY OTHER NATION DO NOT EXPECT ANY CERTAIN RACE, COLOR, CREED.
THERE ARE NOT CONFINED TO ONE NATIONALITY OR POLITICAL PARTY.
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AND THE TIME HAS COME TO MAKE A CHANGE.IT'S TIME TO TAKE THE DRUG DEALERS OURSELVES AND START EXPOSING THEM.
I CALL ON EVERYONE TO HELP PUT THE END TO THIS PROBLEM THROUGHOUT THIS NATION, IN OUR OWN COMMUNITY.
I CALL ON OUR MINISTERS DOCTORS, TEACHERS, AND PARENTS, TO FIGHT THAT A WAR THAT BURDEN IN OUR LIVES.
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU'RE WEALTHY OR POOR.
YOUR FAMILY HAS KNOWN YOU TO THIS PROP.
NO ONE IS, BUT PUTTING IN TO DRUG DEALERS, WE WILL ACCOMPLISH SO MUCH AT ONE TIME AND PUT AMERICA BACK WHERE IT BELONGS TO BEGIN HEALING AGAIN.
AND UNTIL WE WERE RAISED TO HAVE THE FLOODED AREAS AND REPLACED THEM HOMES, TAKEN BY MOTHER NATURE.
AND UNTIL WE CAN BE IN THE, THE HOMELESS AND THE LESS FORTUNATE BUILD NEW SCHOOLS AND PUT POLICE THERE TO PROTECT THEM AND GET DRUGS OFF THE STREET, WE CAN NOT HERE.
IF THEY BAN CHAIN, WE CAN BUILD A NEW POLICE DEPARTMENT CONVENTION CENTER, FIRE STATION 9 1, 1 BUILDING AND REVITALIZE THE WATERFRONT AND REDO THE DOWNSTAIRS AREA.
BUT WE CAN'T DO WHAT IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE DONE.
IT'S EASY TO CLOSE YOUR EYES AND PRETEND IT DOESN'T AFFECT YOU.
MY FRIEND, YOU HAVE HEARD IT WRONG.
OPEN YOUR EYES AND TAKE IT TO HEART BECAUSE THIS IS OUR CHILDREN'S FUTURE.
WE ARE LOOKING AT, THIS IS ABOUT THEIR MINDS, THEIR HEARTS AND SOUL.
AND MOST OF ALL, THEIR SELF-RESPECT, LET'S CLEAN UP OUR OWN BACKYARD.
BEFORE WE WORRY ABOUT SOMEONE ELSE'S.
NOW I'VE TALKED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY AND I GET OUT AND I 45 YEARS OLD FOLKS, I'D GET OUT, PLAY BALL.
SOMETIMES IT'S ROUGH ON OLD MAN.
I PLAY BALL WITH HIM, YOUNG BOY, YOU KNOW, BUT I DON'T SHOW, YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T LET THEM KNOW.
AND I LISTENED TO THEM AND I LISTENED TO THE ELDERLY AND OTHERS TO DM.
YOU KNOW, WE GOT TO WORK IN THIS BAND AND WE GOT PUT INTO THIS CROP AND WE PUT IT INTO THIS PROBLEM.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE GOING TO STOP A LOT OF PROBLEMS. YOU KNOW? AND LIKE I SAID, I DIDN'T COME HERE.
YOU KNOW, I'M A GROWN MAN AND I'VE WORKED ANYWHERE FROM 52 TO 60 HOURS A WEEK.
AND I FELT 20 TO 30 HOURS ON THE ROAD, GET BACK AND FORTH TO WORK.
BUT WHEN I CAN PAY MY TIME, WHAT LITTLE TIME I HAVE AT HOME AND LISTEN TO THESE CRIES, I THINK THIS FAIR CITY, WHAT'S THIS, THE HEART OF THIS COUNTY.
THEY WANT THEIR HOME, RIGHT? THEY WANT THEIR STREETS CLEAN AND THEY WANT TO, AND I KNOW THAT IF THE CITY HAS GOT CONTROL, I KNOW AND BELIEVE YOU, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I'M GOING TO SEE THEN THAT THE PEOPLE WANT, WE WANT A CLEAN COMMUNITY, BLACK Y PER ORANGE.
WE WANT TO KNOW OUR CHILDREN CAN BE SAFE.
WE WANT TO KNOW THAT OUR HOMES WILL BE RAISED, WHETHER IT BE BRANDON BALL OR, UM, NO MATTER WHAT CAN YOU DO.
AND WHEN WE WORK TOGETHER LATER, WE'LL MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
AND THIS WILL BE THE FAIREST OF THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA.
AND I THINK THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE TONIGHT TO SPEAK ON OPEN NIGHT? ALL RIGHT.
IF NOT, UH, MOSTLY ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
SO THIS WAS JUST A PUBLIC HEARING.
WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A MOTION FOR THAT.
ONE THING, MIKE, ARE WE SUPPOSED TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION THE NIGHT, MIKE? UH, NO, YOU DON'T HAVE IT LISTED WHAT I'M SAYING.
IT JUST SAYS PLAY WITH THE GEAR AND YOU DON'T HAVE THEM.
AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE, THEN THAT WOULD AFFECT THE GRANT PROBABLY HERE TO CONSIDER MANY LAND USE ORDINANCE BY ADDING A CHAPTER TO PROVIDE THE STORM WATER QUALITY MANAGEMENT AND DISCHARGE CONTROL.
YOU HAVE COME ACROSS WITH THIS THING I HAVE.
AND THE FIRST THING I WANT TO DO IS APOLOGIZE TO THIS BOARD AND TO ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO MAY BE HERE FOR
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THIS ISSUE OF NOT HAVING THE ORDINANCE, NUMBER ONE TO YOU UNTIL RIGHT NOW THIS NIGHT AND, UH, NOT HAVING IT FOR THE PUBLIC.BUT, UH, IF YOU BEAR WITH ME, I GO THROUGH SOME OF THE REASONING.
THAT'S PUT US IN THIS PLACE AND I TRY TO BE BRIEFING.
WE'D HAVE MARSHALL TAYLOR WITH HDR WHO PUT THIS THING TOGETHER AND HAD WORKED WITH US THROUGH IT FOR THE LAST YEAR.
UH, HE'LL HAVE A QUICK PRESENTATION AND THEN WHATEVER YOUR BOARD WANTS TO DO.
BUT, UH, IF YOU REMEMBER BACK IN AUGUST AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THIS THING, UH, SINCE BASICALLY 1998, UH, WHEN, UH, A STAKEHOLDER'S COMMITTEE WAS PUT TOGETHER FOR BOTH THE STORMWATER ORDINANCE, I MEAN THE STORMWATER RULES THAT WERE ADOPTED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND THE RIPARIAN BUFFERS.
UH, I SAT ON THE STAKEHOLDERS COMMITTEE FOR STORMWATER, UH, UH, RULES.
AND I THINK MIKE SAID ON THE STAKEHOLDERS COMMITTEE FOR THE RIPARIAN BUFFERS.
AND WE PROGRESS THROUGH ALL OF THAT UNTIL A TIME TABLE OF SEPTEMBER 9TH THAT WE HAD TO, UH, PROVIDE TO THE EMC OR WHAT THE DWT TO GO TO THE, UH, DEPARTMENT OF WATER QUALITY TO GO TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGEMENT COMMISSION, A, UH, MODEL ORDINANCE, OR, OR A PROPOSED ORDINANCE, AND A PLAN TO IMPLEMENT THE, UH, NEW STORMWATER RULES AS WAS ADOPTED.
UH, WE MET THAT DEADLINE AND THIS BOARD SENT AN ORDINANCE AND, AND A PLAN THAT, UH, WE FELT MET THE CRITERIA THROUGH.
AND, UH, THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO THEM IN EARLY SEPTEMBER, UH, JUST PRIOR TO THE REQUIRED DATE OF SEPTEMBER 9TH.
AND THERE WAS NO ACTION TAKEN ON THIS PLAN OR OUR PLAN UNTIL ACTUALLY FEBRUARY THE EIGHTH.
NOW DWT DIDN'T WORK THROUGH IT.
THEY HAD SOME ISSUES THAT HAD TO BE WORKED OUT IN MARSHALL AND, UH, EVERYONE WORKED, WORKED THROUGH THAT SITUATION, BUT THE DMC DID NOT APPROVE OUR PROGRAM AND OUR ORDINANCE OR OUR PLAN UNTIL FEBRUARY THE EIGHTH.
UH, WE, UH, RECEIVED OFFICIAL NOTIFICATION, UH, BY MAIL THAT OUR PLAN HAD BEEN APPROVED ON MARCH THE SEVENTH, UH, WHICH WAS JUST LAST WEEK AND WHAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO.
AND THE REASON FOR THE HASTE, I GUESS, OF, OF PUTTING THIS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, UH, THE RULE ACTUALLY BECAME EFFECTIVE MARCH THE NINTH, WHICH WAS LAST FRIDAY.
AND, UH, SO YEAH, SO, SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE'VE BEEN SKIPPING THROUGH THIS THING.
AND, AND, UH, UH, WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES CITY OF RALEIGH IS A PLAN HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED YET.
SO I MEAN, WE'RE NOT AS BAD AS SHAPE AS THEY ARE, BUT, UH, OKAY.
I WAS BLOCKING THE CASE RIGHT AT THE END OF THERE IS IMPROVED, BUT IT GOES INTO EFFECT WHAT GOES INTO FACT CALAMITOUS? WELL, NOTHING CAN REALLY GO INTO EFFECT UNTIL WE GET AN ORDINANCE THAT THAT'S ENFORCEABLE.
NOW, THERE ARE SOME, THERE ARE SOME LANGUAGE IN THE ROOM THAT STATES, IF YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR PLAN AND ALL THIS IN SHAPE, THAT YOU WILL FALL UNDER ANOTHER CRITERIA, WHICH IS ONE THAT WOULD REQUIRE YOU TO FALL UNDER, UH, UH, MPES, UH, REQUIREMENTS OF THROUGH THE STATE.
AND YOU COULDN'T APPLY FOR YOUR OWN PROGRAM FOR FIVE YEARS.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE GET THIS TO YOU BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE POSSIBLY CAN TO PUT THIS, THIS PROGRAM IN PLACE.
NOW, EVEN THOUGH THAT ORDINANCE IS VERY THICK, UH, AND EVEN THOUGH THERE MAY BE SOME CONCERN ON THE PART OF THE BOARD AND EVEN THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, UH, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF WIGGLE ROOM IN THE ROOM.
UH, THE, THE STAKEHOLDERS COMMITTEES CAME TOGETHER AND THEY PUT TOGETHER MODEL PLANS.
THERE WAS A MODEL PLAN PUT TOGETHER THAT BASICALLY DEALT WITH THE ISSUES OF THE ORDINANCE THAT ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGEMENT COMMISSION APPROVED THAT.
AND YOU COULD BASICALLY USE THAT AS YOUR BASIC STRUCTURE FOR PUTTING YOUR PLAN TOGETHER, BUT THERE WERE REQUIREMENTS IN HERE THAT I DON'T NECESSARILY LIKE, AND I'M SURE SOME OF THE DEVELOPERS AREN'T GOING TO LIKE AND WHATEVER, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY CHILDREN.
SO I'M GETTING MY ASS RIGHT ON THIS.
ISN'T THIS THE SAME THING YOU PROBABLY, THE SAME GENTLEMAN CAME FOR US AND SHOWED US ON THE SCREEN, WHAT YOU HAD PROPOSED FLASH OUT TO TRY TO MEET THAT'S CORRECT REQUIREMENTS.
AND THEY WOULD GIVE YOU DOWN ON US THAT THIS IS WHAT, THE THING THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEND THEM LOOKS LIKE, NO, THIS IS WHAT THEY HAVE APPROVED AND SAID, THIS, THIS WILL MEET THE INTENT OF THE ROOT OF THE LAW FOR US TO BEGIN IN FOLSOM.
BUT I MEAN, THE THING HE SHOWED US THAT NIGHT, JUST WHAT YOU HAD INTENDED, WHAT WE SENT
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TO THETHAT'S BASICALLY WHAT YOU HAD BEFORE YOU DENIED IS WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU.
THERE WAS A COUPLE OF TWEAKS THAT THEY HAD THAT'S, UH, UH, NOT OF ANY GREAT ISSUE.
AND MARSHALL CAN SPEAK TO THAT IF, IF, IF NECESSARY.
BUT MY POINT IS THAT TO SAY THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT IS NOT EXACTLY RIGHT.
THAT'S TRUE AS YOU HAVE IT IN THIS FORM.
UH, BUT BASICALLY YOU HAD THE MODEL ORDINANCE.
I MEAN, THE, THE, UM, IT'S THE DRAFT ORDINANCE, THAT'S WHAT YOU HAD, AND THIS IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THING.
AND I THINK MR CAN PROBABLY SPEAK TO THE SV FIELDS NECESSARILY, BUT WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS THAT THIS BOARD APPROVE THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU, UH, AND MAKE AN EFFECTIVE DATE 30 DAYS FROM HENCE TONIGHT.
UH, BECAUSE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS EVEN WITH THIS ORDINANCE, THERE'S SOME LANGUAGE SYSTEM HAVE TO BE CLEANED UP IN THE LAND USE ORDINANCE.
AND, UH, HDR IS ACTUALLY WORKING ON THE, THERE'S A REFERENCE TO A, UH, UH, STORMWATER MANUAL THAT IS GOING TO BE A PART OF THIS ORDINANCE IN THIS PROGRAM THAT IS NOT TOTALLY COMPLETE.
AND THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT AND IT'LL BE READY BY THE END OF THIS MONTH.
AND, UH, HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO BRING ALL THOSE THINGS BACK TOGETHER AND TIE UP ALL THE LOOSE ENDS AND, AND HAVE A, A PLAN.
THAT NUMBER ONE HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE EMC THAT WE CAN ENFORCE NOW FOR ANYONE'S CONCERN.
THERE, THERE ARE FOUR ISSUES IN THE ORDINANCE THAT BASICALLY GO BEYOND THE MINIMUM THAT WE COULD REQUIRE, OR WE WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO, TO PUT IN THERE.
AND ONE OF THEM IS, IS WHERE WE ARE.
UH, WE GOT SOME LANGUAGE THAT DEALS WITH THE RIPARIAN BUFFER, AND BASICALLY LOOKING TO BE DELEGATED, LOOKING TO BE DELEGATED BY THE STATE FOR US TO ADMINISTER THAT PROGRAM AND, AND DO THE REVIEWS THAT NOW HAVE TO GO TO DWP QUEUE.
AND, UH, WE, WE FEEL LIKE IT WOULD SPEED UP THE ISSUE FOR THE DEVELOPERS.
WE CAN HANDLE IT AS GOOD AS THEY CAN.
THE RULES OUT, ALL WE GOT TO DO IS GO BY THE ROOF AND, UH, THIS WOULD TAKE ONE MORE STEP OUT OF THEM, BUT STILL WITH THIS ORDINANCE, IF WE ACTUALLY DO THAT, THERE'S ANOTHER STEP WE'VE GOT TO GO BACK TO W2, GOT TO GET APPROVAL.
SO NOTHING IN HERE IT'S REQUIRING US TO DO THAT.
THE OTHER ISSUE THAT MAY BE OF SOME CONCERN TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, I'M SURE, UH, IS UNDER THE ROOM, UH, WHERE WE'VE GOT TO DEAL WITH NITROGEN AND I WON'T GET INTO THE TECHNICAL SIDE OF IT, BUT THERE ARE LIMITS OF NITROGEN.
UH, UH, WE'VE GOT TO REDUCE IT BY 30%.
AND WHAT THEY DO IS SET A, A MINIMUM OR LIMIT OF 3.6 POUNDS PER ACRE, THAT EVERYONE CAN, CAN UTILIZE, I GUESS, AND, AND DEVELOP ANYTHING ABOVE THAT THEY HAVE TO MITIGATE BY BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES OR WHATEVER, BUT THERE IS A LITTLE CUSHION IN THERE THAT IF THEY WANT TO BUY DOWN, UH, THOSE, UH, POUNDS, THEY CAN PAY INTO A FUND, WHICH GOES INTO THE, UH, UH, WETLANDS RESTORATION PROGRAM THAT GOES TO RALEIGH, UH, THAT THE FEE IS SET AT $330 AN ACRE OR PER POUND PER ACRE, THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY INTO THAT FUND.
UH, THAT'S NO WIGGLE ROOM THERE CALCULATES THAT.
WHO, WHO WOULD, WHO WOULD LOOK AT A PIECE OF LAND IN THE PROPER HAND AND DECIDE WHETHER IT IS, WAS 4.6, RIGHT, IN THAT, IN THAT BEST MANAGEMENT PLAN OR IN, IN THE, UH, IN, IN THE MANUAL, IT SHOWS THEM THE DEVELOPER, THE ENGINEERS, AND ALL, ALL OF THOSE THAT ARE GOING TO BE DOING IT, HOW YOU CAN DETERMINE THE LEVELS OF NITROGEN, THE, THE BMPS OR BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES YOU CAN PUT IN PLACE TO LOWER THOSE.
AND THEN YOU, YOU CALCULATE OUT, WELL, I HAD X NUMBER AND I'VE REDUCED IT BY THIS.
UH, SO I'VE GOT TO PUT IN MORE, MORE STRUCTURES, OR I CAN BUY DOWN THE, UH, COMMERCIAL CAN BUY DOWN FROM, UH, 10 POUNDS PER ACRE, PER YEAR BACK DOWN TO 3.6, RESIDENTIAL COMBINED FROM SIX POUNDS BACK TO 3.6, ANYTHING ABOVE THOSE LEVELS, THEY CAN'T BUY DOWN.
THEY'VE GOT TO PUT IN SOME KIND OF STRUCTURE TO ELIMINATE IT UNDER THE ROOF.
SO THERE'S NO WIGGLE ROOM THERE.
AND WE HAVE IN THERE ANOTHER PAYMENT OF $170 THAT WOULD COME TO THE CITY TO OFFSET THE COST OF THE PROGRAM, WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
AND, AND THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED, UH, IN THE PLAN THAT YOU'RE GOING TO ADOPT TO NOT.
SO INSTEAD OF THREE 30, UH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY $500 OFFSET FEE
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AND 170 OF THAT WOULD STAY IN THE CITY OF NEWBURGH, THE 330 TO GO TO RALEIGH TO DO PLANS ALL OVER THE BASIN OR PRO SE OFFSET THE PLAN.I MEAN, WITH AN OFFSET FEE TO OFFSET AND EXPANSE WEIRDED HER IN, AND THAT EXPANSIVE WALK WELL, IT'S BASICALLY OFFSETTING THE, UH, THE POTENTIAL DEGRADATION, I GUESS, OF THE WATERSHEDS.
THEY'RE ALL SETTING WHAT THEY MAY BE PUTTING INTO THE WATERSHED, BUYING IT DOWN AND SENDING THAT MONEY TO RALEIGH, TO PUT IN PLACE, UH, BUILDING A WETLAND SOMEWHERE ELSE.
THAT'S GOING TO ELIMINATE THAT IN LIEU OF THEM NOT BUILDING THEIR PRODUCT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF A QUICK, I MEAN, 170 IS COMING TO THE CITY, RIGHT.
THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD COVER THE COST OF THE PROGRAM.
UH, I MEAN, WE'VE GOT IN BY THE RULE, WE'VE GOT TO DO INSPECTIONS YEARLY.
WE'VE GOT TO DO ALL SORTS OF THINGS AND RECORDING.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF SOMEBODY, IF A DEVELOPER DEVELOPS A PIECE OF LAND, RIGHT, AND UTILIZES WHAT THEY'RE USING AS A TERM OF BEST PRACTICE, BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICE TO MITIGATE THE PROBLEM.
AND WE HAVE TO COME BY AND EXPECT, INSPECT THAT THING EVERY YEAR TO MAKE SURE IT'S WORKING ONCE A YEAR AND CERTIFIED THROUGH THE STATE THAT IT'S WORKING.
SO THERE'S GOING TO BE AN ADDED COST.
SO THERE'S GOING TO BE AN ADDED COST AND WE'VE WORKED SOME NUMBERS AND UNLESS THE BOARD WANTS TO GET INTO THAT, UH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME FEES THAT WOULD BE DEALT WITH AT THE NEXT MEETING.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO APPROVE THE, THE MANUAL, BUT, UH, WE'VE WORKED OUT SOME BED BUDGET COSTS TO THIS THING, AND IT'S GOT TO BE PAINFUL, SOMEBODY, SO UNFUNDED MANDATE.
SO WE NEED TO FIGURE WAYS TO PAY FOR THESE.
SO THAT, THAT MAY BE AN ISSUE IT'S BEEN APPROVED.
IT'S GOING TO BE A PART OF THIS ORDINANCE.
AND, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE MAJOR ISSUES AS WE WORK THROUGH THIS THING, WE CAN DEFINITELY GO BACK TO DW WQ AND REQUEST THAT THE EMC, UH, CHANGED THE RULE.
BUT I MEAN, WHAT WE'VE GOT IS WHAT'S BEEN APPROVED.
THEY'VE APPROVED IT, WE PUT IT IN EFFECT, AND THEN WE FIND SOME REASON, WHATEVER WE CAN GO BACK AND ASK.
IF THERE, THERE ARE SOME THINGS, THE THINGS THAT ABOVE WATERS, WHAT IS MINIMUM, BUT IF IT'S, IF IT'S MINIMUM, WE LIVE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY CHILDREN TO LIVE WITH.
UH, AND THE, THE OTHER ONE IS, UH, REQUIRING THE, UH, DESIGN OF, UH, STORM WATER CONTROLS TO WHAT IS THE BEST WORD TO CONTROL THE PEAK DISCHARGE, UH, UNDER THE RULE YOU'RE REQUIRED TO CONTROL THE ONE YEAR STORE.
WE'RE SAYING TO GO A LITTLE BUB ABOVE THAT AND, AND, AND LESS CONTROL OF THE 10 YEAR OLD, 10 YEAR STORM, ALL SIDE, BUT IN THE RULE.
AND THEN WHAT'S BEEN APPROVED THAT IF IT'S IMPRACTICAL OR IF WE CAN SEE WHAT THE DEVELOPER CAN SHOW THAT IT'S GOING TO, YOU KNOW, UH, ADVERSELY AFFECT DIAL WHERE, UH, STORMWATER STRUCTURES OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE, THEN WE CAN WAIVE THAT REQUIREMENT.
SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S IN THERE, I THINK WE CAN FEED AND SEE SOME BENEFITS IN WATER QUALITY FROM THAT, AND, AND TALK TO, UH, AT LEAST ONE ENGINEER, UH, THAT FEELS IT WON'T BE ANY MAJOR ISSUE.
SO ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER ADDED ON TO THE, THE, THE PROGRAM.
THAT'S A LITTLE MORE THAN WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO.
AND THE LAST ONE IS UNDER THE ROOM.
ALL COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ABOVE A HALF ACRE IS REQUIRED UNDER THE RULE TO SUBMIT OR UNDER THE MODEL PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE EMC TO SUBMIT A REQUEST FOR STORMWATER PERMIT.
RESIDENTIAL WAS LIMITED FROM ONE, ANYTHING ABOVE AN ACRE.
WHAT WE HAVE WRITTEN INTO THE PLAN IS THAT BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL WOULD BE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT FOR A PERMIT FOR ANYTHING ABOVE HALF ACRE.
AND I'LL GIVE YOU SOME QUICK REASONING FOR THAT, UH, FROM HALF AN ACRE TO AN ACRE, THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HAVE TO PUT ANY BD DMPS IN ANY WAY, BUT WHAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE YEARS IS UNDER THE STORM WATER RULES THAT WE'RE OPERATING UNDER NOW IS ANYTHING LESS THAN AN ACRE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A STRONG STORM WATER PERMIT.
SO WE'VE HAD SOME DEVELOPMENTS THAT KNEW THEY WERE GOING TO DEVELOP 10 ACRES OR SOMETHING, BUT WE WOULD HAVE 10 99 HUNDREDS OF AN ACRE DEVELOPMENTS IN THE SEXUAL HISTORY.
THE ECONOMIES OF SCALE NOW SAYS, WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH SOME OF THOSE THINGS AND WORK THOSE OUT.
SO THOSE ARE THE ISSUES THAT GO BEYOND WHAT THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT IS.
THAT'S WRITTEN INTO THE RULE OR THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO ADOPT TONIGHT, THAT EMC HAS APPROVED AND SAID, WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN PLACE.
AND THAT, THAT WAS IN THE MODEL ORDINANCE.
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THE DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT WE SENT TO THEM, AND, UH, BASICALLY THAT'S THE REASON WE'RE SO LATE IS WE DIDN'T HAVE THE TIME TO DO IT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T LET US KNOW WHAT WE HAD TO DO.UH, MARSHALL HAS WORKED AS HARD AS HE CAN, MR. WARD BEEN WORKING ON IT.
AND HE, WE TALKED ABOUT HOW MUCH WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT, UH, HE'S FINALLY GOT IT TOGETHER FOR YOUR APPROVAL TONIGHT.
AND WE RECOMMENDED THAT YOU WOULD APPROVE IT, UH, AND ALSO, UH, MAKE AN EFFECTIVE DATE OF MARCH 30.
AND I GUESS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CALL THE PUBLIC HEARING TO DEAL WITH THE LAND USE ORDINANCE ISSUES.
UH, I WOULD IN CLOSING MY CLOSING REMARKS, AND THEN, THEN I'M GOING TO GET OFF MY SOAP BOX.
AND MARSHA WAS GONNA SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT.
I, AGAIN, RECOMMEND THAT THIS BOARD, UH, AT LEAST MAKE SOME KIND OF RECOMMENDATION TO, UH, THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF WHATEVER IT IS THAT IF THESE RULES ARE IN QUARTER, THEN I THINK THEY ARE.
BUT IF THESE RULES ARE IN QUARTER, THEY SHOULD BE IMPORTANT, EVERYONE WITHIN THE BASE.
AND THAT'S FROM DURHAM ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE BOTTOM OF THE BASIN.
UH, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, UH, IN CRAVEN COUNTY, THE ONLY ENTITIES THAT FALL UNDER THIS ORDINANCE IS THE CITY OF NEWMAN.
THE CITY OF PATLIVE, NO OTHER DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THIS COUNTY, EITHER MUNICIPAL OR OUTSIDE OF MUNICIPAL, FOLLOWING THE RULES, SAME IN LENORE COUNTY, ONLY THE CITY OF KINGSTON FOLLOWING THESE RULES, ALL OF THE NORTH COUNTY, AS FAR AS DEVELOPMENT.
NOW THERE ARE SOME AGRICULTURAL RULES AND, AND, AND, AND THE RIPARIAN BUFFERS AND ALL, BUT I THINK IF THE STORMWATER RULE IN PORTER, THIS REPORTER FROM THE TOP OF THE BASEMENT TO THE BOTTOM OF BASIN, THERE ARE, THERE ARE ENTITIES, FAST-GROWING ENTITIES IN WAKE COUNTY, ALL OF WAKE COUNTY IS IN IT, BUT THERE'S ONLY TWO OR THREE MUNICIPALITIES IN WAKE COUNTY THAT FOLLOWING HER.
SO THAT'S, THAT IS MY RECOMMENDATIONS IS IF THE RULES ARE IMPORTANT AND I THINK THEY ALL, THEN THEY SHOULD BE GOOD FOR EVERYONE ELSE.
YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE THE CAMERA RULES, WE'VE GOT 22 COUNTIES.
IF IT'S GOOD IN 22 COUNTIES, IT SHOULD BE GOOD THROUGHOUT THE LIMIT.
WELL, NO, BEFORE YOU STEP DOWN, WHAT, WHAT GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY DECIDED FOR AN EXAMPLE, IT WOULD BE D WOULDN'T HAVE A LOT, WELL, I MEAN, S QUITE A CROWD OF FOLKS, BUT SOMEBODY, SOME COMMITTEE, THE RIP, THE RATIONALE THINKING THE RATIONALE THAT THEY, THEY UTILIZED IN THIS IS THAT THEY FELT THEY WERE EARMARKING THE FASTEST GROWING COMMUNITIES WITHIN THE BASEMENT, AND THEY WANTED TO ADOPT THE RULES, BUT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO PUT UNDUE BURDENS ON THE SMALLER ENTITIES.
THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH, WITH NANDI BURDENS ON US, WHICH IS AN UNFUNDED MANDATE.
SO, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THEY WILL HAVE, WE, WE WERE JUST TALKING, UH, UH, FOR INSTANCE, WE WON'T TALK ABOUT CRAVEN GANNON, A GOOD WAKE COUNTY.
UH, WHAT IS THE NAME OF THAT CITY NIGHT THEN? I THINK ONE OF THE FASTEST GROWING COMMUNITIES IN ALL OF THOSE STATES, DOES IT FALL INTO THE ROOF? IS IT GOING TO MAKE MORE SENSE FOR A DEVELOPER TO GO TONIGHT, DALE AND DEVELOP, EVEN THOUGH HE'S GROWING FASTER THAN TO HAVE TO PAY OFFSET FEES OR WHATEVER IT IS.
I MEAN, THERE MAY BE SOME, SOME THINGS THAT WASN'T REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT IN THERE.
I MEAN, WE MAY LOSE SOME DEVELOPMENT IN THIS CITY BECAUSE IT MAY BE EASIER TO DEVELOP SOMEWHERE ELSE AND THAT, WELL, I MEAN, HAS ANYBODY ASKED THAT QUESTION ON A WRITTEN FORM? I CAN ASSURE YOU EVERY STAKEHOLDER ASKED THAT VERY QUESTION, UH, AND ALL OF THIS STUFF WITH PEOPLE JUST LIKE ME WHO WORK AND HAVE TO FALL ON THE ROOF.
UH, I THINK THE, I THINK THE RULE WAS ADOPTED, UH, DURING A LOT OF EMOTION.
AND I THINK THAT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY DID WHAT THEY FELT LIKE THEY NEEDED TO DO.
AND, AND THERE WAS A LOT OF INPUT ON PROS AND CONS, BUT THE FINAL, UH, LOVING OF, OF THE REQUIREMENT ON THIS, THE ENTITIES THAT FEED ON TO ME, UH, UH, I DON'T, I NEVER THOUGHT IT WAS FAIR.
I SAID THAT ANYTIME I WOULD REQUEST THAT THIS BOARD GO ON MOSTLY GOOD LOBBYISTS UP THERE.
LET ME, LET ME SAY SOMETHING HERE.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT FIRE, DEANNA, IF, IF, IF WE JUST SPEAK
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OF IT IN TERMS OF, IF WE GET HAMMERED THAN THE OTHER FELL OUT AND GET HAMMERED, AND THAT'S ONE WAY OF LOOKING AT FIRE, BUT IF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS CLEAN UP THE ENVIRONMENT AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.AND THESE PEOPLE ARE IN THE KNEES RIVER BASIN, THEN IT'S UNFAIR TO THE RIVER AND NOT INCLUDE THEM.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S TWO DIFFERENT ARGUMENTS.
AND I THINK THAT ALL TO BE DIFFERENTIATED, AND SOMEBODY HAS THAT DISCUSSION WITH SOMEBODY IT'S RIDICULOUS FOR US TO BE DOING THE WIDOW'S MITE, SO TO SPEAK.
AND THEN IF OTHER PEOPLE, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE WE'RE NOT REALLY HAVING ANY EFFECT.
WHAT DO THEY DO THEN DOWN THE ROAD, CRANK THE FEE UP HIGHER ON US, AND WE'LL STILL LEAVE YOU OUT OF THE FELL OUT, HUH? WELL, THIS IS AN UNFOCUSED JOURNEY.
IT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT, I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT.
ARE THERE ANY MONETARY PENALTIES ON THE CITY LEVY BY THE STATE? IF WE DON'T COMPLY WITH THIS, WHO'S GOING TO ENFORCE IT.
IF, UH, ARE THEY GOING TO BE ANY PENALTIES IF SOMEBODY IS FOUND NOT, NOT COMPLYING WITH THIS REQUIREMENT? OH, I WANT TO ASK THAT QUESTION WHILE THEY LOOKING FOR ABOUT 800
AND THERE ARE PENALTIES FOR THOSE WITHIN OUR BOUNDARIES THAT FAIL TO DO THAT, THAT ARE ASSESSED BY AND THROUGH THE CITY.
NOW, IF WE BACK UP AND SAY, STATE, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING, UH, TWO THINGS THAT POSSIBLY HAPPEN.
AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER I'M QUALIFIED TO SPEAK TO THAT, BUT, BUT ONE IS THAT THEN THIS WHOLE PROGRAM WOULD BE PROVIDED THROUGH THE STATE.
I MEAN, THE RULES ARE GOING TO BE THERE AND YOU MAY HAVE MORE RED TAPE THAN WE'VE GOT HERE.
AND THAT MAY STYMIE DEVELOPMENT A WHOLE LOT WORSE THAN WHAT THE IMPACT OF THIS WHEEL THAT THE CITY PUTS IT TOGETHER.
AND THE OTHER SIDE IS IF THE CITY REFUSES TO ADHERE, TO RULES THAT ARE SET AND APPROVED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, THIS IS WHERE I MAY BE SPEAKING OUT OF TURN.
I THINK THEY HAVE AUTHORITY TO WITHHOLD GRANTS AND ALL THESE OTHER KINDS OF THINGS, OR ALL THESE OTHER KINDS OF REMEDIES THAT THEY COULD KIND OF BRING SOME PRESSURE TO BEAR UPON YOU TO DO WHAT THEY THAT'S THE HAMMER OVER OUR HEAD.
BUT ISN'T THIS A PROCESS DURING WHICH EVEN THE SMALLER COMMUNITIES LIKE KNIGHTDALE EVENTUALLY BE COVERED UNDER SIMILAR.
I THINK ULTIMATELY WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE, UH, AFTER THEY'VE ALREADY OVERDEVELOPED MEAN, WHAT HAPPENS, WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS UNDER THIS RULE AND MARSHALL TOUCH ON THAT A LITTLE BIT, BUT UNDER THIS RULE, WE HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT ASPECTS THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
ONE IS, UH, ILLICIT DISCHARGE.
THAT'S ALL PART OF THE RULE THAT WE'VE GOTTEN TO.
WE'VE GOT TO WORK ON AND WE'VE GOT TO WORK THROUGH AND, AND PROVIDE IN THOSE COUNTIES OR IN MY DEVELOPMENT DISORDERS WHEN THEY FALL UNDER IT, THEN THEY'VE GOT TO GO BACK TO A LOT OF RETROFIT WHEREBY IF THE RULE APPLIED TO THEM, NOW THEY'D BE PUTTING IN TO BMPS INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GO BACK AND MAKE SOMETHING WORK, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE WE GOING TO DEAL WITH NITROGEN DOWN TANKS? YOU KNOW, NAME THAT, AND YOU KNOW, WHAT'S COMING.
BUT THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT IF, IF THE RULE APPLIED TO EVERYONE ACROSS THE BOARD AND THE MAYOR SAID, I FIRMLY BELIEVE IF IT'S IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO APPROVE, THEN IT SHOULD BE IMPORTANT ENOUGH.
LET ME, LET ME MAKE CLEAR EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
I KNOW THAT APPLE LET'S TALK ABOUT THE NITROGEN THAT YOU WERE SPEAKING ABOUT.
IT WOULD EVENTUALLY COME SAY TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA TO CONTROL IT.
I FEEL LIKE THAT ALL THE PRIME MOVER BEHIND ALL OF THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS IN THE NEWS FOR AN EXAMPLE, ALGAE BLOOMS. THEY ASKED FOR THAT.
SO WHEN YOU DO CERTAIN THINGS AND YOU STILL HAVE BALLOONS OR WHATEVER INDICATORS ARE ADDED THAT MAKE PEOPLE THINK THINGS ARE NOT EXACTLY RIGHT.
WHAT HAPPENS? YOU TURN THE DIAL UP A LITTLE MORE.
WELL, MY POINT IS THAT IT MIGHT BE THAT THIS THING WAS UNAFFECTED IN ALL THESE AREAS.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT THE NET EFFECT OF THE WHOLE THING ON THE RIVER MIGHT BE SUCH THAT WE DON'T EVER HAVE TO GO TO THESE MORE DRACONIAN TYPE OF MEASURES.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY I SAID, WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT ME FIRE, THERE'S TWO KINDS OF FIRE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE, WE'RE GETTING HAMMERED IN THE OTHER FOUL HIT, AND THAT'S ONE ISSUE.
BUT THE OTHER ISSUE IS, ARE YOU BEING FAIR TO THE RIVER? IF YOU'RE TRYING TO FIX THE RIVER AND THAT'S SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO, I WONDER WHAT THE NEWS RIVER FOUNDATION THINKS ABOUT.
WELL, I, I KNOW THAT THEY ARE, THEY'RE SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
WELL, I'M SURE, BUT I MAY, AS FAR AS LEAVING OUT THE OTHER THING, UH, I ALSO KNOW THAT I'M SITTING ON ANOTHER STAKEHOLDERS COMMITTEE THAT IS DEALING WITH NITROGEN.
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OVER AND, AND THE NEUSE RIVER FOUNDATION FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, BUT THAT'S WHY THEY'RE WRONG.I DON'T THINK WE CAN DEBATE THAT HERE, BUT THEY THEY'VE SAID FROM THE BEGINNING THAT 30% OF THE MOUNTAIN UP THERE LOBBYING FOR MORE AND EVERYBODY ELSE.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO DETERMINE WHAT THE TOTAL LOAD IS THAT THE RIVER CAN, CAN HANDLE IT.
AND THEN WE GOT TO DIVVY IT UP BETWEEN EVERYBODY WITHIN THE BASIN, BOTH NON-POINT POINT AND ALL OF THIS, AND WE'LL SAY, OKAY, THIS IS ALL WE CAN PUT IN THERE WHEN IT ALL GETS THERE, WHAT DO YOU DO? YOU DON'T DEVELOP.
SO, I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE IT'S GOING.
AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST THE FIRST PHASE OF IT.
LIKE I SAID, 30% WE'RE LIVING AT IT NOW REQUIRED TO LOOK AT IT NOW TO SEE A 30%.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT.
I READ YOUR MEMO AND I UNDERSTAND THE TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE AND YOU AND YOUR HANDS ARE TIED.
BUT MY COMMENT IS THAT, UH, NOT ONLY THIS IS FUNDAMENTALLY UNFAIR TO REQUIRE NEW BERN KENSTON TO BE SUBJECTED THIS REGULATION.
THAT'S GOING TO MAKE IT HARD FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
I DON'T SEE HOW I'VE DEVELOPED A CAN EVEN DEVELOP A, OKAY, CAN YOU EVEN FOLLOW ALL OF THESE RULES AND REGULATIONS? AND, UH, WE DO HAVE SOME OPTIONS.
AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, WE CAN LOBBY OUR LEGISLATORS TO ASK THAT THIS ACT BE REPEALED UNTIL THEY ADOPT A RULE THAT APPLIES TO ALL STUDENTS WITHIN THE NEUSE RIVER.
UH, BASICALLY IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE FOR THEM TO ARBITRARILY DECIDE WITH CANCELED NEWBURGH, WHO SUBJECT TO THESE REGULATIONS.
WHAT WAS IT KILLS NUBA IN THE HAL BLOCK? WHAT WAS IT? WELL, I MEAN, THERE'S 15 ENTITIES WITHIN THE MESS.
HE SAYS
HE IS HALF
WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S KILLED MY ARTERY BECAUSE THERE ARE NUMEROUS OTHER CITIZENS THAT ARE REQUIRED.
BUT REGARDLESS OF ALL OF THAT, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO THE PIEDMONT.
YOU KNOW, I SEE SO MUCH DEVELOPMENT AND THOSE CITIES ARE A LOT BETTER OFF ECONOMICALLY, ECONOMICALLY THAN WE ARE.
AND WE NEED SOME DEVELOPMENT HERE, AND THIS IS GOING TO PUT A TREMENDOUS PARSHIP ON US.
AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO HAVE A CHILLING EFFECT ON FIDGET DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE DEVELOPERS, AREN'T GOING TO BE ABLE TO, UH, DEVELOP SITES THAT CAN PAY OFF BECAUSE THE BOTTOM LINE IS WHEN YOU MAKE AN INVESTMENT, IT'S GOTTA BE, HAVE A PROFITABLE RETURN WITH ALL THESE REGULATIONS.
YOU KNOW, SEE HOW EASTERN NORTH CAROLINA IS GOING TO, UH, CONTINUE TO GROW.
YOU KNOW, BACK IN 1870, SOMEBODY VISITED THIS VISITED NEWBURN AND THEY DESCRIBED NEWBURN AS AN OASIS WITHIN A RURAL DESERT.
YOU KNOW, THESE NO OF US HAVE COME DOWN HERE.
AND A LOT OF US LOCALLY COMPLAIN ABOUT THEM CALLING THEM YANKEES, ALL 9% OF CIVIL WARS OVER AND AMERICANS, BUT THESE NORTHERNERS COMING DOWN HERE AND HELP THIS AREA GROW.
AND I THINK WITHOUT THEM, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD BE TO SEE THAT WE ARE OFF TO DATE.
WE REALLY NEED THOSE FOLKS HERE, BUT THESE REGULATIONS, NO CONCERNING THE DEVELOPMENT COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY IS GOING TO COST MORE TO DEVELOP THIS AREA.
IT'S GOING TO CREATE MORE COSTS FOR PEOPLE TO TRY TO JUST BUILD AND JUST LIVE IT.
IT'S GOING TO REALLY ULTIMATELY RAISE THE COST OF LIVING IN HOUSTON, NORTH CAROLINA, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE COUNTY INDUSTRY HERE TO PAY FOR THAT KIND OF HIGH COST A BIT, BUT WE NEED SOME RELIEF.
NUMBER ONE, I DON'T THINK THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY CAN SHOW A NEXUS OR CONNECTION BETWEEN THESE RULES AND THE A, THE EXCESS NITROGEN IN THE NEWSREEL.
I MEAN, IT HAS TO BE A COLLECTIVE EFFORT.
THEY NEED TO REGULATE EVERYTHING.
SO I THINK THE MIRROR ALLUDED TO THIS.
IT NEEDS TO BE A BROAD PROGRAM THAT APPLIES TO A CITY'S FARMERS AND ALL MUNICIPALITIES ALONG THE NEWSROOM OF BASIS, BUT THEY SEEM LIKE THEY'RE DOING ON AN AD HOC BASIS TO ME, CASE BY CASE DAN.
AND LET ME, LET ME, LET ME TELL US OUTSIDE WOULD
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GO ALONG WITH WHAT ROBERT SAID AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG HERE IS DAVID, DID YOU SWITCH SEATS ON MOVING AROUND LIKE A SHELL GAME HERE, BUT LET'S JUST, AND SEE IF MY THINKING IS RIGHT ON THIS, UH, IF WE DON'T CONTROL THE STORM WATER AND LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT THE NITROGEN IN THE STOLEN WAR, AND THEREFORE THE NITROGEN IS STILL AT A HIGH LEVEL IN THE RIVER.AND THEN THE LEGISLATURE WHO WHOMEVER COMES ALONG IN FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AND SAYS THAT ALL OF US WITH THESE NEW WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANTS HAVE TO RATCHET DOWN THE NITROGEN AGAIN, DIDN'T YOU SHOW ME UP.
UH, ALL MY BLACK ADAM ASKED HIM TATI.
THEY WILL ERR ON THE COST OF REDUCING NITROGEN.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE DON'T DO IT ON A BROAD SCALE OR TRYING TO GET THE NITROGEN BACK DOWN, THEN THEY GOING TO BE LOOKING AT OUR TREATMENT PLANTS FOR FIVE YEARS.
AND THE COST OF GETTING THAT LAST, THOSE LAST FEW PERCENTAGES OF NITROGEN OUT, YOU MIGHT AS WELL BEG ON PUTTING A MAN ON MARS.
I MEAN, IT'S ABSOLUTELY INSANE.
SO THE POINT I'M MAKING IS IT IS GOOD TO KNOW WHERE THE STORM WATER AND THE NITROGEN IS GOING TO KEEP IT OUT OF THE RIVER.
THAT'S A GIVEN THE QUESTION BECOMES, IF YOU DON'T SPREAD IT OVER A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE, LIKE SOME OF THEM THAT WERE LEFT OUT AND THEREFORE BE REDUCING THE TITLE LOAD ON THE, ON THE RIVER, THEN IT BECOMES, UH, UH, UNTENABLE LATER ON, ON THE FEED.
SO THAT WOULD BE MY ARGUMENT FOR SPREADING IT OUT OVER MORE PEOPLE, BECAUSE WE WERE REDUCING THE TOTAL LOAD IN THE RIVER AND NOT MAKING THEM IMPOSSIBLE TO ASK THEM THOSE OF US WHO HAPPEN TO BE PLAYERS IN THE GAME RIGHT NOW.
AND I AGREE WITH THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT AND TO SPEAK TO WHAT AUTUMN AND MARINA IS SAID, AS FAR AS KILLING DEVELOPMENT, THAT YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO HAVE AN EFFECT ON DEVELOPMENT, NO, THAT BAD, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT THE ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS AND ALL THE FOLKS, AND, AND THERE, THERE ARE PROVEN WAYS TO DEVELOP TO LOWER THE IMPACTS OF POLLUTION AND SO ON AND SO FORTH, BUT CHANGE THE WAY WE'VE DONE IT.
BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO STOP WITH THEM.
IT'S GOING TO BE AN ADDED COST.
THE ROOM FOR RESIDENTIAL IS GOING TO BE RELATIVELY EASY TO ME.
THE ROOM FOR COMMERCIAL IS GOING TO TAKE THE MOST CREATIVE THOUGHTS.
UNDERSTANDABLY, I WOULD SAY THE BIG TRIPS, ASPHALT, DANNY, WE ALL KNOW THAT THE STORM WATER REGULATIONS ARE, HAVE BEEN IN EFFECT FOR SOME TIME FOR POPULATIONS OVER 50,000 CITIES, OVER 50,000.
AND THEN IT'S GRADUALLY WORKING ITS WAY DOWN IN POPULATION DENSITY.
AND THAT LITERALLY ALL THE TOWNS WILL BE EVENTUALLY COVERED.
THAT'S UNDER A DIFFERENT PROGRAM THAN THE NEUSE BASIN, RIGHT.
IS THAT CORRECT? SO, SO THESE OTHER COMMUNITIES WILL BE INVOLVED IN A PROGRAM DESIGNED TO REDUCE THESE NUTRIENTS, BUT I THINK ISN'T IT, NOT THAT WE'RE GETTING, WE'RE GETTING MORE OF IT SIMPLY BECAUSE WE LIVE IN A FRAGILE SITUATION WITH THE NEWSROOM, EVENTUALLY THAT'LL HAPPEN.
AND LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT RULES.
NOW THERE'S A RULE IN PLACE THAT HAS BEEN SINCE I CAN'T REMEMBER 97, 8 THAT, UH, PROBABLY 95 OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND REQUIRED TO FALL UNDER THE EPA PHASE ONE ROUTE, THAT'S A FEDERAL MANDATE.
UH, NOW THEY'VE COME OUT WITH PHASE TWO RULES, WHICH WILL BASICALLY AFFECT, UH, COME INTO EFFECT MARCH OF 2003.
ARE WE NOT? ARE WE, WE ARE ON THE LIST TO BE A PHASE TWO CITY, REGARDLESS.
AND WHEN PHASE TWO REALLY COMES INTO PLACE, WE'RE GOING TO BE A GOOD CHECKS WITH ALL OF THESE RULES.
IT'S BASICALLY DEALS WITH ISSUES OF, OF, OF PHASE TWO.
AGAIN, LISTED, UH, CRAVEN COUNTY IS NOT IN PHASE TWO.
UH, THEY MAY BE IN A TIER, WHAT IS IT? TIER ONE, SENIORS, THERE'S THERE'S DIFFERENT TIERS.
AND IF YOU HAVE SENSITIVE WATER, YOU COULD BE DELEGATED.
BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THE LIST THAT HAS COME OUT, UH NEW-BORN AND I DON'T EVEN THINK HEADLOCK IS ON NEWBURN AND CRAVEN COUNTY, I THINK IS ALL OF IT, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO STOP WITH US.
AND THESE LITTLE TOWNS ARE NOT GOING, THEY DON'T HAVE A GET OUT OF JAIL FREE CARD.
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A PHASED IN.THINK THE THING THAT, THE THING THAT KEEPS BOTHERING ME IS WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO COME TO GRIPS WITH THE, AND I FORGOTTEN THE EXACT DESIGNATION, A KNIFE, THE NITROGEN IN THE AUTO EMISSIONS, WHICH PRECIPITATE OUT AND CAUSE A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS. AND HAVE YOU RUN INTO ANY THING IN THAT RESPECT YET, SINCE THAT IS A MAJOR SOURCE OF THE NITROGEN WITH WHICH WE HAVE TO DEAL, NOT IN THIS RULE, BUT IS THERE GOING TO BE WITH, AND THE REQUIREMENT THAT WE LOOK AT TOTAL NITROGEN WITHIN THE NUTRIENT BASE AND SET ASIDE A TOTAL MAXIMUM DAILY LOAD, WHICH IS ACTUALLY A TOTAL MAXIMUM YEARLY LOAD.
THEY LOOK AT ALL ASPECTS OF THAT IS ALL THE ADMISSION, UH, AGRICULTURE RUNOFF OF GOLF COURSES.
IT GOES RIGHT ON DOWN THE LIST.
AND THEY WERE MAKING MODELS THAT SHOW WHERE ALL THIS STUFF COMES FROM.
AND WHEN IT HITS THE RIVER AND HOW LONG IT TAKES TO DISSIPATE, AS IT COMES DOWN THE RIVER AND ALL OF THESE KINDS OF THINGS.
AND THAT'S HOW, AND IT HAS TO BE SUBMITTED TO EMC IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR, A RECOMMENDATION ON HOW THAT TOTAL MAXIMUM LOAD BE ALLOCATED THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE BASEMENT.
AND WHEN THOSE RULES GOING INTO EFFECT, THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, IF THEY SAID 9 MILLION PACKS AND THEY DIVVY IT UP BETWEEN THE WASTE TREATMENT PLANTS AND THE NON-POINT SOURCES AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS, THEN EVERYBODY'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE A PART OF THAT GROUP, YOU KNOW, TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE STAY WITHIN THAT, THAT LIMIT.
SO YES, IT'S COMING, BUT IT'S NOT THERE.
WELL, I THINK THAT'S THE POINT I WANTED TO MAKE WAS THE FACT THAT IT DOESN'T, WE'RE NOT THE, WE'RE NOT THE END OF THE PROCESS.
AND WHILE WE MAY FEEL LIKE, HEY, DON'T PICK ON US.
I THINK THAT IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE A PROCESS THAT WILL CONTINUE AND GO INTO OTHER FACETS, WHICH THEY'RE NOT REALLY REGULATING AT THIS TIME.
IS IT NITROGEN DIOXIDE OR I FORGOT.
BUT I JUST, THE POINT I WANTED TO MAKE IS ALL OF THESE ENTITIES ARE GOING TO HAVE THEIR DAY OF HAVING TO MEET REGULATIONS DESIGNED AS THE MAYOR SAID, TO MEET THE TOW, THE, THE FINAL GOAL, WHICH IS TO MAKE THE RIVER A BETTER PLACE.
WE'VE GOT OTHER REGULATIONS COMING, WHICH WILL AFFECT NOT ONLY US, BUT OTHER ENTITIES LIKE NIGHT AND DAY, ALL NIGHT BALES TURN IS COMING.
IT CAN'T HANDLE US ALL AT ONCE.
BUT THE ONLY THING I COULD SPEAK TO IS WALK THE ROOF BED WORKING.
I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH ADOPTING.
I THINK BOARD NEEDS TO POSTPONE OR DEFER THE EFFECTIVE DATE.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CHANGES THAT HAVE TO BE MADE IN THE LAND USE OR OKAY.
APRIL FED A DRAFT OF THIS ORDINANCE WITH THE HELP OF STAFF, CITY STAFF.
AND SO ON GOING THROUGH HERE, YOU WOULD SAY, I HAD TO PULL OUT ALL KINDS OF PARENTS REDRAW THIS AND REDRAW THAT MAKE THOSE CARS FINE WITH THAT.
SO THAT THE DOCUMENT THAT FOR YOU THE NIGHT IS IN SUBSTANCE.
THIS ONE, WHICH WAS APPROVED WITH ALL OF THESE SUGGESTIONS, UH, AS TO CHANGES THAT HAVE TO BE MADE IN LAND USE WATER PULLED OUT.
AS DANIEL SAID, I THINK WE NEEDED TO CURRENT THE EFFECTIVE DATE TO GET THAT DRAFT, GET THE CHANGES, RAN AND HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT.
WE MAY HAVE TO EXTEND IT BEYOND DANNY WROTE.
RALEIGH ASKED HIM AND VIEWED THE THINGS THAT HE TOLD YOU ABOUT THE TIME AT COMPLAINANT ATTENTION OR THE TIME ACTUALLY IS, AS HE SAID, THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BEEN ADOPTED AND IMPLEMENTED BY MARK MIKE.
I TOLD YOU A MINUTE AGO, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF RUBBER CLERKS INVOLVED.
UH, THEY HAVE SENT HIM AN EMAIL THAT SAYS, I'M SORRY, WE COULDN'T PICK IT UP AT THE MEETINGS.
AND THE OTHER DAY BEFORE BUDGET, RIGHT ON THE STATE LEVEL.
SO JUST DO THE BEST YOU CAN IN THAT
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THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE PASSING THESE REGULATIONS.THEN WE GOT A MAJOR BUDGET, SHORT FALL.
I WAS WAITING FOR, WELL, WHAT WAS HE GOING DO? JUST PRESENT VERY QUICK.
THERE'S BASICALLY WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN.
AND I PRETTY MUCH STOLE HIS THUNDER IF YOU HAVE.
I'D RATHER, I'D RATHER JUST ASK FOR THE PUBLIC'S COMMENTS IS THERE ANYBODY HERE IN THE PROBLEM AND HE WAS HERE TO MAKE A COMMENT.
I DON'T WANT THIS THING, MOVE IT CLOSE UP, UP TO HERE.
HERE A SEC BECAME ALL THE WAY
I MEAN, I MOVE, WE ADOPT THE ORDINANCE WITH THE EFFECTIVE DATE BEING 30 DAYS FROM NOW.
I HEAR A SEC BEFORE OTHER DISCUSSION NOT CALLED ROAD, PLEASE.
MA'AM YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES.
YOU MISSED A TYPE AS FAR AS COMING HERE AND NOT SAYING I COULD'VE MADE TWICE THE MONEY.
WELL, I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN KANNAPOLIS AND LIVED IN CHARLOTTE FOR MANY YEARS.
SO YOU'RE IN A MUCH NICER PART OF THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW.
LET ME, IF I TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO ANALYSIS OF THIS BOARD IS RELATIVELY ANYONE ELSE THAT'S LISTENING AND I'M GOING TO GET IT OUT TO THE DEVELOPERS, BUT WE ARE, WE ARE HAVING A JOINT MEETING WITH KINSTON ADBLOCK FROM THE CITY OF NEWBURGH ON MARCH THE 26TH AT THE COOPERATIVE EXTENSION OFFICE, UH, TO LAY OUT, TO, TO DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS FOR DEVELOPERS, LAY OUT TO DEVELOPERS, THE, UH, I GUESS THE CRUX OF THE ORDINANCE IN THE ROOM, AND WE HAVE FIELD HAUNT WHO'S WITH THE NC STATE UNIVERSITY ON THE NEW SCENE, WHO IS VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE WITH DMPS AND THEIR VALUE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
AND ALSO DAVID HARDY, WHO'S GOING TO BE PRESENTING ABOUT THE PROPER MANAGEMENT OF THE BENEFITS OF PLANNING AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
SO WE WERE BEGINNING THAT EDUCATION PROCESS AND, YOU KNOW, ENDED UP BOARD, WANTS TO BE THERE.
I WE'LL DO A QUICK OVERVIEW OF OUR PLAN AND KINSTON AND HAVE ONE QUESTION.
SUPPOSE THE DEVELOPER HAS A PIECE OF LAND.
HE LOOKS AT THIS, THESE DIFFERENT FORMULAS AND THE SIZE OF HIS PAST MANAGEMENT PRACTICE FOR FIXING THE SITUATION IS EXHIBIT B.
UH, WHO'S GOING TO APPROVE THAT AND AGREED WITH HIM TO KEEP HIM FROM PUTTING IN EXHIBIT B AND INCIDENCE BACK TO COME ALONG LATER AND SAY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO APPROVE IT BASED UPON THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT MEN THAT REFLECTS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE OLD AND WE WILL ENSURE WHEN IT'S BUILT THAT IT'S BEAUTIFUL.
BUT I WOULDN'T BE PART OF HIS PLAN.
HE PRESENTED HIS DEVELOPMENT IN DEVELOPED PLAYS AS HE GOES THROUGH.
MAYA MACK ON THE BOY, ATTENTION TO THINGS, PLEASE.
THIS IS THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT MANUAL, WHICH DANNY PREFERRED, WHICH WILL BE A PART OF THIS PROGRAM.
AND THIS IS ON WHAT A PROGRAM WITH YOU.
SO IT CAUSE THESE TWO DOCUMENTS BLESS THIS DOCK HERE, WHICH I HAVE A PRETTY COPY PROGRAM.
GET SOME MORE OF THESE, THIS, THIS BASICALLY LAYS OUT PROGRAM AND I LIKED THE COVER.
EVEN THE VIDEO DIDN'T LIKE, DANNY, ARE YOU, ARE YOU GOING TO UTILIZE THE, UH, NORTH CAROLINA LEAGUE OF MUNICIPALITIES CD AND THE GENERAL STORM WATER DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM? I HAVE LOOKED AT THAT AS MATTER OF FACT, MANAGER SHOULDN'T KNOW HOW TO LOAD IT TODAY.
AND I'VE LOOKED AT THAT AND I RECOMMEND THAT WE WE'D BE A PART OF THAT.
YOU'LL BE SEEING THAT IN MY UPCOMING BUDGET REQUESTING THAT YOU PROVIDE THAT.
BUT, UH, YEAH, I THINK WE NEED TO BE A PART OF THE LEAGUE.
I THINK THEY HAVE THE EXPERTISE TO GET US KNOW.
I, I THINK THEY KNOW THEIR BUSINESS AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE WORTH THE INVESTMENT.
I THINK IT WOULD COST US MANY TIMES MORE THAN THAT.
IF WE HAD TRIED TO DO IT OURSELVES.
AND I WAS JUST GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT IF YOU HAD NOT GONE THROUGH THAT DISC YET THAT, UH, IT'S, IT'S A GOOD PROGRAM.
THEY WERE WITH THE PHASE ONE COMMUNITIES AND GAVE THEM A LOT OF HELP.
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I DON'T SEE ANY REASON REMIT.I NOTICED IN A LOT OF THE BIG TOWNS LIKE RALEIGH, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY ARE PARTICIPATING IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PLANS FOR THE SMALLER COMMUNITIES SURROUNDING THEM.
AND THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WILL BECOME A PROBLEM DOWN THE SIZE OF NEWBURN TO WHERE WE WILL HAVE TO DESIGN OUR PLAN WITH THE SMALLER COMMUNITIES IN MIND, LIKE, UH, TRENT WOODS AND BRIDGED AND RIVERBEND, ET CETERA.
BUT IT'S POSSIBLE, UM, MARCH THE THIRD, MARCH OF 2003, BECAUSE THE, WHAT WE WERE GOING TO KNOCK THE MAN, AND WHILE WE WERE UNDER THESE, YOU DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT PHASE TWO AND YOU DON'T THINK IT'S NOT SIMPLE.
NEXT THING WE HAVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, NOT CALL ROLL, PLEASE.
NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY, BUT SINCE BARBARA BROUGHT IT UP THERE, THREE, UH, OPENINGS ON THE ELECTRIC SERVICE BOARD.
AND IF SOMEONE IN THE COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE TO GET INVOLVED AT AN ENTRY LEVEL, THAT IS A, THAT IS A GOOD PLACE TO START.
WE HAVE AN OPENING FOR A MINORITY MEMBER.
WE HAVE AN OPENING IN TOWNSHIP SIX, A REPRESENTATIVE FOR TOWNSHIP SIX, AND WE HAVE AN OPENING FOR A REPRESENTATIVE FROM TOWNSHIPS SEVEN.
AND, UH, I THINK THAT IF THE PUBLIC, ANYBODY OUT THERE WANTS TO GET THEIR FEET WET, THIS IS A FINE OPPORTUNITY CALLED THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE AND LET US KNOW AND WE WILL FLAT PUT THEM TO WORK.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING I'M GOING THIS WAY.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT NOBODY HAS ANY MESS.
IT'D BE ADOPTED RESOLUTION GUIDING BODY OF AFRICA NATION WITH AN ADVOCATE FOR REVOLVING LOAN FUND MONEY FOR THEIR WASTE TREATMENT PLANT EXPANSION.
THIS WILL REQUIRE I GOT IT FOR THE DISCUSSION.
I WANTED MR. ARTISAN TO HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEAK TO YOU JUST FOR A SECOND.
AND HE WANTS TO BRIEF YOU ALL THE TIME.
THAT'S I'LL BE SEEING YOU AT SIX O'CLOCK ON ARBOR DAY.
WELL, THAT'S THE END OF MY REPORT.
I JUST WANT TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY ON BEHALF OF THE RECREATION AND PARKS DEPARTMENT STAFF TO OFFICIALLY INVITE EVERYONE TO OUR ARBOR DAY.
CEREMONY IS FRIDAY THE 16TH AT SIX O'CLOCK AT UNION POINT PARK.
AND THE REASON I'M DOING IT THIS WAY IS BECAUSE OF THE TYPES OF TREES WE'RE PLANTING.
WE DID A LITTLE RESEARCH TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE IN LINE WITH, UH, THE HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVES OF UNION POINT IN REFERENCE TO WHEN THE RENOVATIONS WERE DONE.
THEY THINK BACK IN 97 AND THEN AGAIN REVISED IN 99, UH, WE'RE PLANNING A EASTERN RED CEDAR TREE, WHICH IS BASICALLY A CHRISTMAS TREE WHEN IT'S FULL GROWN.
IT'D BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 40 AND 50 FEET TALL AND ABOUT 25 FEET WIDE.
SEE, I'M READING MY NOTES CAUSE SO NOT A TREE, NOT A TREE.
UM, AND ALSO IN, UM, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE, UH, NEWBURN GARDEN CLUB, WE'RE PLANNING THE AMERICAN HOLLY TREE, WHICH IS, UH, ALSO, UM, AN EVERGREEN TYPE TREE.
THESE TREES, THE STAY GREEN YEAR, YEAR, LONG YEAR ROUND.
AND, UH, WE'LL IMPROVE THE LANDSCAPE OF OUR PARK, NOT ON A UNION POINT, BUT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO SOME THINGS LIKE THIS ALSO AT OTHER PARKS.
SO I HAVE, UH, INVITATIONS FOR EVERYONE.
UH, DO WE HAVE A NUMBER OF GARDEN CLUBS AND NEWBURN? I'M NOT INTO THE GARDENING THING, SO I'M NOT, OR
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WE JUST HAVE THE NEWBURN GARDEN CLUB OR ARE THERE MORE THAN THE ONE PLACE? THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S MOST PROMINENT? I THINK THERE ARE OTHERS, UM, SMALLEST SIGNIFICANCE, BUT I'VE WORKED WITH THE, UH, WITH THE NEW-BORN GARDEN CLUB ON A NUMBER OF PROJECTS.NOW YOU NEED A POINT BEAR PLAZA, THE NAME OF VIEW.
WELL, THE REASON I ASKED IS BECAUSE THE, UH, STATE HIGHWAY ADOPT THE HIGHWAY PROGRAM HAS BEEN VERY GOOD FOR CLEANUP.
AND I, I BROUGHT UP SOME YEARS AGO AND GOT NOWHERE WITH IT.
THE IDEA OF PERHAPS GARDEN CLUBS MIGHT WANT TO A GARDEN CLUB MIGHT WANT TO ADOPT ONE OF OUR BEST POCKET PARKS AND, UH, TAKE OVER AS A PROJECT, KEEPING PLANTINGS THERE, ET CETERA, UNDER THE GUIDANCE OF OUR HORTICULTURIST.
AND I THINK IT WOULD JUST ON A THROW IT AT YOU, RIGHT? I SAID, YOU DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TO DO WELL.
I THINK UNOFFICIALLY THAT THE, UH, NEWBURN GARDEN CLIFF HAS ADOPTED A BARE PLAZA, PRETTY MUCH WHICH ONE? BEAR.
THEY DID A LOT OF WORK DOWN THERE.
MA'AM A LITTLE BETTER CHANCE TO SEE IN THE STAIRS.
I SEE IT'S SIX O'CLOCK I'LL PROBABLY READ IN THE MORNING.
WE'RE HERE AT THE LAW FIRM OF STUBS IN PURDUE AND I'M WITH DRY STUBS.
BUZZY, TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR FARM.
WE HAVE A HARVEST HERE IN ENROLLING FIVE LAWYERS.
I DID MOSTLY CIVIL LITIGATION AND MY PARTNER KING CONCENTRATES IN WILLS ESTATE PLANNING BUSINESS MATTERS, REALLY CORPORATIONS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
MIKE MALONE, A LITTLE LAWYER IS A PHD IN ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEERING.
YOU KNOW, KELLY GREEN KELLY GOES TO DISTRICT COURT AND IS, UH, DOES DOMESTIC WORK AS WELL? SOUNDS LIKE YOU DO IT ALL.
WHAT DO YOU THINK SETS YOUR FIRM APART? I DON'T KNOW.
WE WORK HARD AND WE TRY TO HAVE A FULL SERVICE LAW FIRM.
HOW WOULD YOU LIKE FOR PEOPLE TO REMEMBER? CERTAINLY THE KINDLY NOTE, BUT, UH, OUR MISSION STATEMENT IS TO PROVIDE QUALITY LEGAL SERVICES.
SO WE WANT TO CONTINUE THAT EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK IN EASTERN NORTH CAROLINA WOMEN ARE ON THE MOVE AND THE CRAVEN COUNTY COUNCIL ON WOMEN.
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