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ALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AND WE'LL OPEN WITH A PRAYER BY REVEREND JESSE NEW SONG, UNITED METHODIST CHURCH.

OH, MIGHTY GOD.

WE THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY.

YOU'VE GIVEN US, WE THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU'RE DOING IN OUR LIVES AND IN OUR LIVES CORPORATELY IN THIS CITY.

WE THANK YOU FOR THE LEADERS THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN US AND GOD TONIGHT.

WE PRAY FOR THEM.

UH, AT ALL LEVELS, WE PRAY FOR THE CITY.

WE PRAY FOR THE PEOPLE OF THIS CITY AND WE PRAY FOR THE AGENDA TONIGHT, WHATEVER THAT AGENDA MIGHT BE.

FATHER LET THE, THE BUSINESS THAT'S DONE, BE DONE FAIRLY.

AND WITH EQUITY AND JUSTLY, UH, THAT ALL PARTIES INVOLVED MIGHT FIND A COMMON SOLUTION AND THAT WE MIGHT SOLVE PROBLEMS AND WE MIGHT MAKE OURSELVES A BETTER CITY.

SO WE PRAY FOR WISDOM AND GUIDANCE THAT YOU WOULD BE WITH US DURING THIS TIME WE GIVE THIS TIME TO YOU IN YOUR NAME, WE PRAY.

AMEN.

PLEASE.

MA'AM HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE.

ALL RIGHT.

FIRST THING WE HAVE TONIGHT IS THE OFFICE LEASE NEW POLICE OFFICER CHARLES SERBY G YES, SIR.

MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

IT'S MY PLEASURE TO DO TWO THINGS.

TONIGHT.

ONE IS TO ANNOUNCE A, THE, UH, NEWEST OF OUR POLICE OFFICES AND THE OTHER IS TO ANNOUNCE OUR NEW RECRUITMENT OFFICER AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

UH, YOU KNOW, HIM AS THE LEADER OF THE YOUNG MARINES, AND WE KNOW HIM AS A OFFICER, ERNEST FLOWERS, UH, HE'S BETTER KNOWN AS A PSYCH MAJOR ON HIS FLOWERS.

STAND UP EARNEST.

ALL RIGHT, THIS IS DOING A GREAT JOB.

HE'S DONE.

HE DOVE INTO THIS JOB WITH, I MEAN, FULL VIGOR AND HE'S GOING FULL SPEED AHEAD.

AND I THINK HE'S GOING TO DO A GREAT JOB.

SO WE'RE REAL PROUD TO HAVE HIM ON BOARD.

AND NOW IT'S MY PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE YOU TO YOU.

THE LATEST, AND I'VE BEEN TOLD THE ABSOLUTE YOUNGEST MEMBER OF THE NEWBERN POLICE DEPARTMENT, OFFICER WILLIAMS IRBY COMES TO US FROM PITT COMMUNITY COLLEGE, WHERE HE GRADUATED THE BLET PROGRAM.

NOT THAT LONG AGO, AS A MATTER OF FACT, THAT WE CAN COUNT IT IN ALMOST DAYS.

CAN'T WE DID AN EXCELLENT JOB AT PIT, UH, IN, UH, DID REAL WELL ON HIS STATE EXAM.

AND IN ORDER TO GET HIRED HERE, HE HAD TO BE AN EXCELLENT CANDIDATE.

SO WE'RE REAL PROUD TO HAVE HIM ON BOARD.

HE WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE IN CRAVEN COUNTY AND KINDA BETWEEN ADVANCED BOROUGH AND JAMES CITY AREAS.

AND HE'S A GRADUATE OF WEST CRAVEN HIGH SCHOOL.

AND I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THAT HE'S NOT OLD ENOUGH YET TO BUY HIS OWN GUN.

SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUY IT FOR HIM, BUT, BUT SOON HE'LL BE ABLE TO BUY HIS OWN WEAPON IN HIS OWN AMMUNITION.

IF HE CHOOSES TO DO THAT, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE TO YOU OFFICER WILLIAM, CHARLES DERBY.

I WOULDN'T DON'T LET THE CHIEF PICK ON YOU.

HE JUST GOT HIS GUN.

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UH, THE AGENDA AND I'D LIKE FOR THE FAMILY TO KNOW THAT OUR GOAL IS TO BE THE BEST LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY IN THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA.

AND I KEEP SAYING, WE'RE GETTING REAL CLOSE.

AND THE CHEEK KEEPS SAYING, I THOUGHT WE WERE ALREADY THERE GETTING SO CLOSE.

I TOLD HIM BEFORE, HE'S GOT TWO STARS AND IT CAN BE THREE WHEN THIS THING'S OVER WITH.

BUT IF HE KEEPS ON GETTING THE KIND OF FOLKS THAT, THAT, UH, THAT HE'S GETTING AND THE ONES THAT WE HAD TO START OUT WITH, THERE'S NO QUESTION IN MY MIND THAT, UH, THAT WE WON'T HAVE EXACTLY THAT AND OUR JOB.

AND WE'VE DONE THAT IS TO PROVIDE YOU ALL WITH THE BEST EQUIPMENT TRAINING.

UH, IN FACT, I'VE HAD PEOPLE COME UP TO ME AND, UH, I'VE SEEN THE DOG, THE CANINE, UH, ACTIVITIES DURING THE MOM FESTIVAL AND SO FORTH.

AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY MEANT BY THAT, BUT THEY SAID THAT HE SEEN SOMEBODY WHOSE DOG WAS SMARTER THAN SOME MAYORS.

THEY KNEW .

SO WE'RE PROUD TO HAVE HIM AND, UH, WE'LL TAKE GOOD CARE OF YOU.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

THE NEXT THING WE HAVE IS A SEWER REPORT BY THE CITY ENGINEER.

IF Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE, YOU CAN, UH, BELIEVE ME.

I WOULD, IF I COULD, WE CAN STAY ON AND SEE IT.

OKAY.

WHICHEVER MR. MEESE EVENING MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT TREATED A TOTAL OF 105.8 MILLION GALLONS OF WASTE IN THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY WITH AN AVERAGE DAILY FLOW OF 3.8 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.

THE MAXIMUM, UM, FLOW FOR ANY ONE GIVEN DAY WAS 4.6 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.

AND WE ALSO RECORDED 2.3, THREE INCHES OF RAIN AT THE PLANT, THE PLANT, UH, FAILED TOXICITY IN THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY, THEY ALSO FAILED TO, UH, MEET THE EFFICIENCY REMOVAL FOR TOTAL SUSPENDED SOLIDS.

UM, THEIR RATE, UH, THAT PARTICULAR MONTH WAS 82%.

UM, THEY DID MEET, UH, ALL THE OTHER PARAMETERS OF THE MPDS PERMIT.

UM, GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON, UH, SEVERAL OTHER ITEMS. THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, UM, PERMITTING PROCESS HAS MOVED ALONG RATHER QUICKLY IN THE LAST, UM, 10 DAYS.

UH, WE ARE WITHIN A WEEK TO 10 DAYS OF RECEIVING AN AUTHORIZATION TO CONSTRUCT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.

THE PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS WILL BE DELIVERED, UM, TO RALEIGH, UH, ON THURSDAY.

AND THEY HAVE TO DO A SHORT REVIEW TO MAKE SURE THE LAST ITEMS THAT WERE OUTLINED THAT NEEDED TO BE CHANGED OR CHANGED.

AND WE WILL BE READY TO GO TO BID AS SOON AS WE GET AN AUTHORIZATION TO CONSTRUCT ON THAT.

UM, THE SECOND, UH, ORDER OF BUSINESS IS THE, UM, WATER RECLAMATION PROJECT, UH, UTILIZING THE OLD MARTIN MARIETTA QUARRY PROJECT.

UH, IF YOU'VE BEEN BY THERE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS, UH, THEY HAVE STARTED REMOVING SOME FENCING AND, UH, THEY WILL BE TAKING DOWN THAT, UM, TREE LINE RIGHT THERE ON GLEN BURNIE, ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY.

AND, UM, WE HAVE AWARDED A CONTRACT TO, UM, W O WHITE, UH, TO DIG THE CANAL FROM THE EXISTING BARGE CANAL AROUND TO THE VERY LOW POINT THERE ON, UH, GLEN BURNIE ROAD.

UM, THEY SHOULD BEGIN CONSTRUCTION BEGAN DIGGING IN THE, UM, PROBABLY IN THE NEXT WEEK, ONCE THAT, UH, CLEARING HAS TAKEN PLACE.

UM, WE ALSO IN PERMITTING, UM, THE PROJECT, UM, DAM SAFETY IS GOT ABOUT TWO WEEKS BEFORE THEY WILL GIVE THEIR BLESSINGS TO OUR DESIGN OF THE, UH, AUTOMATIC OVERFLOW DEVICE IN CASE THE, UH, QUARRY LEVEL WERE TO RISE.

THEY WANT AN AUTOMATIC DISCHARGE TO THE RIVER, UM, TO PROTECT THE DYKES, UM, THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO THEM.

AND THEY'RE TELLING US THAT IT WOULD BE ABOUT, UH, TWO WEEKS FROM NOW THAT THEY WILL, UH, ISSUE THEIR BLESSING ON THAT.

UH, THE ONE LAST THING THAT, UM,

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THE STATE IS LOOKING FOR IS A REPORT FROM OUR CONSULTANTS THAT WILL TELL THEM WHAT EFFECT THE QUARRY IS GOING TO HAVE ON THE GROUND WATER IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA, AROUND THE QUARRY.

AND, UH, WE'VE GOTTEN SOME GOOD DATA VERY RECENTLY DUE TO THE, UH, RAINFALL THAT WE'VE HAD, THE QUARRY LEVEL'S RISEN ABOUT A FOOT, AND NOW WE CAN SET A SECOND SET OF DATA POINTS AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO, UH, GIVE SOME DEFINITIVE ANSWERS AS TO WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.

SO I WOULD EXPECT THAT TO, TO PROCEED, UM, PROBABLY, UH, TAKE US ABOUT ANOTHER MONTH TO GATHER ENOUGH DATA TO DRAW ANY CONCLUSIONS.

THEN THE LAST THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT TONIGHT, UM, IS A COUPLE OF LETTERS.

UH, ACTUALLY ONE LETTER THAT I RECEIVED THIS WEEK, UM, WE RECEIVED A, UM, ENFORCEMENT ACTION FROM THE STATE, UH, BECAUSE OF OUR FAILURES OF TOXICITY FOR EIGHT OF THE LAST 12 MONTHS.

THEY HAVE, UM, ASSESSED A CIVIL PENALTY AGAINST US OF, UH, $6,000 AND, UH, $47, UH, FOR ADMINISTRATIVE FEES.

AND THEY ALSO ISSUED US A LETTER ASKING US TO ENTER INTO A SPECIAL ORDER OF CONSENT.

AND THE SPECIAL ORDER OF CONSENT BASICALLY ALLOWS US TO, UM, VIOLATE NPDS, UM, UH, GUIDELINES THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE NOW AND ENTER INTO A NEW MPDS PERMIT THAT DOES AWAY WITH TOXICITY.

IT DOES AWAY WITH SOLIDS REMOVAL.

UM, UH, IT PUTS OUR BOD, UH, LIMIT, UH, AT 60 MILLIGRAMS PER LITER OR PARTS PER MILLION, UM, WHICH IS, UH, TWICE WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED NOW.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE'LL BE DOING AWAY WITH HALF OF THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT FOR THE NEXT, ROUGHLY TWO YEARS WHILE WE CONSTRUCT OUR NEW PLANT.

AND, UM, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO TONIGHT IS ASKED THAT, UM, ONE OF YOUR BOARD MEMBERS MAKE A MOTION TO ALLOW THE MAYOR TO SIGN THE SPECIAL ORDER OF CONSENT.

UH, WE HAD SOME PROBLEMS WITH IT.

THEY, THEY OFFERED THIS TO US BACK ON FEBRUARY SIX.

AND ONE OF THE MAJOR PROBLEMS THAT I HAD WITH IT IS THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHEN AUTHORIZATION TO CONSTRUCT WAS GOING TO TAKE PLACE WHEN WE WOULD GET THAT PERMIT TO BEGIN THE BUILDING PROCESS.

AND THEY TOLD US THAT WE HAD TO START THE PLANT BY JULY ONE AND BE FINISHED BY APRIL 15TH, 2003 SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE AND IN NEGOTIATIONS.

AND BECAUSE OF THIS AUTHORIZATION TO CONSTRUCT IS, IS COMING UPON US RATHER QUICKLY.

NOW I FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT WE CAN BEGIN CONSTRUCTION BY SEPTEMBER 1ST OF THIS YEAR AND BE COMPLETE.

UM, IT WOULD BE THREE MONTHS FROM APRIL, WHICH WOULD BE, UH, AUGUST 1ST, 2003.

WE'D NEED TO BE SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE.

AND, UM, THERE'LL BE SOME MORE DETAILS ON THAT.

UH, YOU'LL GET A CHANCE TO READ THIS, UH, SPECIAL ORDER OF CONSENT.

BE GLAD TO PROVIDE THAT TO YOU BEFORE WE ACTUALLY SIGN IT AND SEND IT TO THE STATE.

BUT I LIKE TO HAVE AUTHORIZATION FOR THE MAYOR TO SIGN THE SPECIAL ORDER CONSENT.

THEY'VE GIVEN US A DEADLINE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE THIS SIGNED BY APRIL THE 10TH.

AND OF COURSE THAT IS THE DATE OF THE NEXT BOARD MEETING.

AND I'D LIKE TO GET IT SIGNED AND HAVE IT READY PRIOR TO THAT DATE, IF IT'S AT ALL POSSIBLE RIGHT HERE, THAT EFFECT, WHAT DO YOU THINK DEFINITELY, WE WANT IT.

WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY ALTERNATIVE.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY ALTERNATIVE, BUT I MEAN, IT'S, UH, THAT, THAT WILL REMOVE THE POSSIBILITIES OF THE FINES THAT HE JUST WAS TALKING ABOUT THERE, BECAUSE IT, IT TAKES CARE OF THAT PROBLEM THAT WE'RE HAVING.

THEY UNDERSTAND WE HAVE A PROBLEM.

AND SO WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IS FIX AWAY SO THAT WE CAN, UH, GET OUT OF THE, UH, THINGS THAT WE CAN'T COMPLY WITH DURING THIS CONSTRUCTION TIME, UNTIL WE GET THE NEW PLANT IN OPERATION, THAT'S PART OF THE PROJECT.

WELL, WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY THAT $6,000.

WELL, I'VE WHAT I'VE ASKED IS, UM, THERE WAS A $2,000, 2050 $4 CIVIL PENALTY THAT WAS ASSESSED FOR FLOW BACK IN AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER.

I APPEALED THAT TO THE DIRECTOR OF DIVISION OF WATER QUALITY AND HE REVIEWED IT AND WOULD NOT, UM, RESEND THOSE FINES.

AND IN PART OF THE SOC IS THAT WE, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO NEGOTIATE THOSE FEES.

AND AS AN UPFRONT PAYMENT, AS WE ENTER INTO THE SOC, WE WOULD SEND THEM A PAYMENT FOR THESE FINES.

AND WHAT I'VE ASKED THEM TO DO IS REDUCE THEM BECAUSE NUMBER ONE, THE FLOW, WE DIDN'T PUT ANY MORE NUTRIENTS THAN

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WE WOULD IF WE WERE, IF WE WERE AT CAPACITY, I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY HE MADE THE RULE.

AND HE DID.

UH, I KNOW THAT THEY KNOW THAT I ASKED FOR THIS SOC FOR THE TOXICITY SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.

IN FACT, NOW IT'S, UM, I THINK I ACTUALLY SUBMITTED IT BACK IN AUGUST AND THEY TOLD ME TO WAIT BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND ADD THE BOD AND THE SUSPENDED SOLIDS AND RELEASES FROM ALL THE OTHER PARAMETERS OF THE NPDS PERMIT.

AND, UM, BECAUSE I'VE WAITED, THEY VIEWED THAT AS WE'RE TYING PEOPLE ON EVERY DAY, JUST TO KEEP FROM HAVING TO KEEP THAT ALLOCATION COUNT, AND THAT'S NOT BEEN THE CASE AT ALL, IT'S BEEN, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THIS AUTHORIZATION TO CONSTRUCT FINALIZED NOW THAT I HAVE IT, I'M, I'M READY TO SIGN THE SOC, BUT, UH, THEY'VE THROWN A BUNCH OF CIVIL PENALTIES AND PRETTY MUCH STRONG ARMED ME AND THE CITY.

IN MY OPINION, ON THIS ISSUE, I HAVE A CON I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH A GOVERNMENT AGENCY, UH, FINDING A CITY, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT WAS $6,000 IS A MAJOR PENALTY OR NOT, BUT I HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF DIFFICULTY UNDERSTANDING HOW THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH FINDING THE CITY WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE BEST THING WE CAN COMPLY WITH ALL THE REQUIREMENTS.

THAT'S NOT REALLY A MAJOR PENALTY.

WELL, IT'S STILL TO ME, $6,000.

YEAH.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY CAN'T FIND YOU 10,000 A DAY.

I DISAGREE WITH THE PROCESS.

I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT IF I UNDERSTOOD DAVID RIGHT, WHITE, THE REASON THEY DID THAT WAS BECAUSE HE, WE, THE CITY, WHATEVER HAD NOT SIGNED IT, THE SOC CORRECT ORDER OF CONSENT, BUT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY, RAISING DAVID DIDN'T WANT IT SIGNED.

IT WAS BECAUSE THEY WILL PUT IN CONSTRUCTION STARK, AND I GUESS, STOP CONSTRAINTS ON US.

THEN WE WOULD HAVE BEEN BOUND BY.

AND THAT WOULD HAVE NOT BEEN FAIR AT ALL TO THE CITY.

AND OF COURSE, THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE YOU HURRY UP AND BE ABLE TO PLANT SO THAT YOU'LL BE TURNING OUT A BETTER AFFLUENT AND HEY, WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.

WE WANT TO DO IT FOR US.

AND THEY KNEW THE PROBLEM.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT WAS IN YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.

IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T SOUND EXACTLY RIGHT, BUT, BUT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY, I FEEL LIKE THEY, WHAT DAVID DID WAS, WAS THE RIGHT THING, BECAUSE RUSTY HAD BEEN BOUND UP UNDER, UNDER A CONTRACT.

IT MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN LIVABLE, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN, BUT I THINK THEY ARE TRYING TO BE CONSISTENT.

THEY'VE TREATED OTHER CITIES.

THEY'VE GIVEN.

THEY FIND OTHER CITIES ALONG THE WAY THAT I HAD VIOLATIONS OF THEIR PERMITS.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT, TOXICITY VIOLATION IS A VERY MINOR REALLY VIOLATION, BUT, UH, THEIR POLICY HAS BEEN TO GET TOUGH AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GETTING TOUGH WITH EVERYONE.

AND SO I GUESS WE JUST FIT INTO THAT BALLPARK.

WE'RE PART OF THAT, THAT, UH, GROUP.

AND SO WHEN WE FILE UP AND WE'D HAVE TO EXPECT TO BE PAWN AND ALL THAT, BUT I STILL WANT TO GO ON RECORD AS I'M OPPOSED TO A GOVERNMENT ENTITY FINDING A CITY FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROBLEM.

YES, SIR.

I WANTED TO TURN OVER HERE.

I CAN GIVE YOU THE GENERAL STATUTE NUMBER.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO LOOK IT UP.

IT'S 1 43 TO 15.6 A TO GET A LAWYER TO READ THAT THAT'S RIGHT.

AND THEY'VE, AND THEY'VE GOT SHOWN HERE THAT THIS IS ONLY 8% OF THE MAXIMUM PENALTY THAT THEY COULD HAVE ASSESSED AGAINST US.

ZERO WOULD BE.

YES, SIR.

I AGREE IF I ASKED THEM TO RESEND ALL OF THESE PENALTIES AND, UH, THE GENTLEMAN THAT I WAS, BECAUSE HE SAID THAT TO SIGN THE SOC, I'VE GOT 15 DAYS TO DO IT.

AND, UM, HE SAID TO, HE SAID, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN GET IT DONE THAT FAST.

AND I SAID, WELL, I'M GOING TO DO IT.

AND I SAID, SO LET'S YOU AND I NEGOTIATE.

AND I SAID, I WANT TO START OFF AT ZERO.

AND HE SAID, WELL, I CAN'T DO THAT.

I KNOW THEY WON'T DO THAT.

AND I SAID, WELL, WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY WOULD DO? AND HE THREW OUT A NUMBER.

AND SO I SAID, GO SEE IF THEY'LL SALUTE THAT OR NOT.

SO I HAVE ASKED FOR THEM TO BE, UH, REDUCED, UH, SOMEWHAT, AND WHETHER THAT'S SUCCESSFUL OR NOT REALLY IS IRRELEVANT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

CAN YOU SEE THAT? WE DO.

WE JUST WANT TO GO AHEAD AND GET THE SOC SIGN BECAUSE THAT IS ONE OF THE PARAMETERS TO GET AUTHORIZATION, TO CONSTRUCT, AND IT'S GOTTA BE SIGNED FIRST.

OKAY.

BUT BY THE SAME TOKEN, WE CAME IN AROUND THAT SET UP PARAMETERS.

YOU CAN STRIKE THIS THING.

YES, SIR.

AND THEY, AND THEY, AND THEY'VE NEGOTIATED.

AND THEY'VE NEGOTIATED THAT WITH US AND GIVEN US AN EXTRA THREE MONTHS TO GET STARTED.

AND WE REALLY PLAN TO, UH, UH, HAVE THINGS READY TO START CONSTRUCTION MID JULY.

UH, IF EVERYTHING RAN SMOOTHLY, IT WOULD BE READY TO GET STARTED IN MID JULY.

AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE UNTIL SEPTEMBER 1ST.

SO THAT'LL GIVE US TIME IF WE HAVE TO REBID SOMETHING OR HAVE A GLITCH SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY.

THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THE WHOLE PROCESS IS THAT THEIR JOB IN A SENSE IS TO MAKE US BE ABLE TO PLANT.

IT'S NICE TO PLAN AS WE CAN.

AND AS FAST AS WE CAN AN ANCESTOR ROOM, AND INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, WE DON'T NEED A SHOVE HUB TO DO THAT.

WE WANT TO DO IT AS HARD AND AS FAST AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.

SO,

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YOU KNOW, WE, DON'T, IT'S KIND OF SAYING IN A SENSE, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE SOME PEOPLE THAT NEED THAT PUSH AND THAT AMBULANCE, BUT WE DON'T, WE HAVE TO TAKE IT.

AND AS JAKE POINTED OUT, IT'S NOT TOO PALATABLE, BUT IT'S STILL AWFUL.

BUT AS, AS DAVID WAS SAYING ORIGINALLY, WHILE THEY WERE WANTING US TO DO WAS TO ENTER INTO IT WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT OUR START DATE WAS, BUT TO GIVE THEM A COMPLETE DATE THAT WE WERE GOING TO FINISH.

AND AT THE END OF THE COMPLETE DATE IS THE POTENTIAL FOR, I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING, THIS IS PEANUTS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FINES OF $6,000.

IF IT WAS NOT COMPLETED BY THE TIME THE SOC IS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE.

SO WE WANTED TO BE SURE THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE COMPLETED.

AND SO WE DIDN'T GET THAT REASONABLE ASSURANCE UNTIL TODAY, ACTUALLY YESTERDAY, ACTUALLY, HOW LONG DOES THAT, MAN, THANK HIM.

BE THAT COMPANY BEFORE THEY HAVE IT TRANCHE OR DITCH OR WHATEVER CUT.

HE HAS 90 DAYS TO CONSTRUCT FROM THE TIME OF DAY.

AND THAT WAS FROM LAST FRIDAY.

THAT IS HE THINKING, UH, NO HE'S PLANNING TO BE DONE EARLY.

HE HE'S GOING TO GET IN THERE.

HE'S ACTUALLY BRINGING IN, UM, TWO FULL SIZED CREWS OF SIX OR EIGHT MINUTE PIECE TO, TO WORK ON IT.

AND WHAT DO YOU THINK THE AVERAGE DEPTH OF THE WATER IN THAT CANAL THAT HE'S GOING TO CUT? NOT THE BARGE CANAL.

I KNOW IT'S PRETTY DEEP.

UM, WELL THE WATER DEPTH, I MEAN, I KNOW IT'LL GO WITH IT.

YEAH.

IT IT'S, IT, IT VARIES BECAUSE WE'RE SLOPING FROM A HALF, A FOOT BELOW SEA LEVEL AT THE, UM, GLEN BURNIE ROAD TO ABOUT, I WANT TO SAY IT'S ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE FEET AND, AND THIS IS JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

I REALLY DON'T KNOW FOUR OR FIVE FEET, UH, DOWN NEAR THE BARGE CANAL.

UM, SO I'VE GOT, I REALLY DON'T KNOW, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT.

I BELIEVE THAT PERIODICALLY WATER WILL BACK UP IN THAT CANAL AND STAND THAT WHEN BERNIE WROTE WON'T ALWAYS BE, NO, IT WON'T ALWAYS BE THERE THREE OR FOUR FOOT DEEP.

NO, NO, SIR.

WE'LL SEE WATER UP IN THERE WHEN WE HAVE A NORTHEASTERN BLOW IN HERE.

AND IN FACT, THAT'S ALMOST LIKE A SITE GAUGE.

IF YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW HIGH THE LEVEL OF THE RIVER AS WE RIDE BY LOOK OVER IN THE DITCH.

AND IN FACT, YOU CAN PUT ASIDE GAY, DEBBIE, YOU WANT TO DO, I MEAN PAINTED BAR, BUT YES, SIR.

YES, SIR.

YOU ORGANIZED A LITTLE TOUR OF THAT PLACE ONCE THEY ARE GOING WELL ON THAT ONCE THEY GET TOWARD COMPLETION, SO WE CAN REALLY GET A VISUAL ON WHAT'S GOING ON AT THEIR SURE.

I'D BE GLAD TO DO CARRY ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO GO SEE, I'VE BEEN BACK THERE AND TRIED TO GET A BUS STUCK.

ONE TIME WE CAN DO ANYTHING.

YOU'D LIKE, CAN WE BRING UP, CAN WE BRING OUR FISHING RODS, MAYBE A BARGE TO THEM? CAREFUL, CAREFUL.

I'VE HAD, I'VE HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE, UM, WARN WITH TRESPASSING TICKETS AND THEY ALL HAVE A GOOD STRING OF FISH WITH THEM.

I'M SURE THEY DO, BUT WE APPRECIATE IT.

YOU KNOW, TIME.

I REMEMBER WHEN THE GOVERNOR AND EVERYBODY WAS HERE WHEN WE BROKE GROUND FOR THE NEW BRIDGE.

AND I THOUGHT THAT VERY DAY, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT MY GOD, THREE YEARS OR FOUR OR WHATEVER YEARS IT WAS.

AND I CAN'T BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, AND YET THE TIME, I GUESS, BECAUSE I'M OLDER, IT SEEMED LIKE IT MOVES REAL FAST.

BUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT PLANT BEING BUILT ABOUT 2003, IT SOUNDS LIKE A LONG TIME AWAY, BUT IT'S REALLY NOT.

I MEAN, THAT PLAN WILL MOVE RELATIVELY FAST.

YES, SIR.

SO, UH, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE 21 MONTHS TO CONSTRUCT IT FROM THE TIME WE AWARD THE CONTRACT, PUT IT IN THEIR HAND AND TELL THEM TO GET STARTED.

THEY'VE GOT 21 MONTHS TO HAVE IT READY TO OPERATE.

AND WITHOUT BELABORING THE POINT, LET ME ASK YOU ONE MORE QUESTION.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS AUTOMATIC DUMP OR OVERFLOW THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO PROTECT THE DYKES.

YES, SIR.

WHEN YOU SAY AUTOMATIC ACID, MS. IT MADE AUTOMATIC, I'M SURE IN THE SENSE OF METERING DOWN ON SOMEBODY'S ORDERS TO GUY, BUT IT WILL, IT ELECTRICALLY AUTOMATICALLY OPEN THE WASTE GATES TO LET IT OUT OR TO SOMEBODY MANUALLY DO THAT? NO, SIR.

UM, THAT'S WHAT WE PROPOSED AND THEY DID NOT WANT AN OPERATOR TO HAVE TO ENTER THE PROPERTY AND OPEN UP A GATE.

UM, I KNOW THAT YOU'VE SEEN, UM, METAL PIPE STANDING UP INSIDE OF A DETENTION POND FOR STORM WATER.

AND WHAT THAT DOES IS WATER RISES TO THAT LEVEL AND FALLS INTO THE PIPE AND THEN RUNS OUT OF THE DYKE INTO A DITCH AT A LOWER ELEVATION.

THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BUILD INSIDE THE QUARRY.

WE'LL HAVE, UM, 2 36 INCH ROUND PIPES AND THEY'LL HAVE A BAFFLE AROUND THEM.

SO WAVES DON'T ACTUALLY, UM, BLOW INTO IT, BUT, UH, IT WILL DISCHARGE OUT TO BACHELORS CREEK THROUGH THE DIKE.

AND IS THAT, IS THAT GOING

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TO BE THE, THE ONES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHETHER IT WAS GOING TO TAKE 2 36, 3 36, AND IT'S GOING TO HAVE A CONCRETE RIGHT.

A SPELL AWAY FOR IT IN THE WRONG CALLS.

CAUSE I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE SOME AND THEN I, AND THEN I HAVE, THEN I ALSO HAVE DESIGNED IN THERE ON THE END OF THE ELBOW, A GATE VALVE WHERE I CAN OPEN IT IF I WANTED TO DRAIN IT DOWN TO THAT LEVEL.

SO WE HAVE BOTH MANUAL AND AUTOMATIC CONTROLS THERE.

NO, SIR.

YEAH, NO WORRIES.

WELL, THE BOTTOM LINE IS YOU WON'T EVER BE ABLE TO GO EXCEPT DOWN TO EQUILIBRIUM.

WE'LL SEE LESS, BUT THAT'S YES, SIR.

IT'S ABOUT ONE FOOT ABOVE SEA LEVEL ACTUALLY.

OKAY.

YEAH.

I GOT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANYBODY ELSE GOT A QUESTION? UH, DID WE EVER GET THE, EVER GET THE AUTHORIZATION FOR THE MAYOR TO SAY NSF? OKAY.

UH, WHAT DO WE NEED? ROLL CALL MINUTE.

ALL IN FAVOR.

SAY AYE.

MR. MAYOR.

UM, THE CITY MANAGER JUST MENTIONED SOMETHING IN CONNECTION WITH THIS THAT I WOULD LIKE HIM TO ADDRESS THIS FOR A MOMENT ABOUT THEM THEN THE SECOND STREET PROJECT AND THAT THIS, THAT WE WERE WAITING ON THIS SOC UH, YES WE HAVE, UH, ALDERWOMAN LEE HAD, UH, WE HAD MET OUT THERE WITH SOME RESIDENTS AND HAD TOLD THEM WE'VE DESIGNED A PROJECT OUT THERE FOR THE SECOND STREET OR SECOND NORTH SECOND AVENUE, UH, RESIDENCE OUT THERE, WHICH, UH, WERE AS A RESULT OF THE GROUNDWATER WERE EXPERIENCING SEPTIC TANK FAILURES OUT THERE.

AND SO THAT HAS BEEN DESIGNED AND IT'S BEEN, UH, COSTED, BUT WE COULDN'T, WE COULDN'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL WE GET AN SOC.

AND SO ONCE THIS SOC IS DONE, WE CAN MOVE WITH THAT.

AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE, AS A RESULT OF SOME OTHER THINGS GOING UP, THERE'S ALSO SOME OTHER, UH, AREAS OUT THERE THAT HAVE EXPERIENCED SOME SEPARATE TANK FAILURES.

AND SO WE HAVE ACTUALLY GOTTEN SOME COST ESTIMATES, BUT NO, I DON'T THINK WE'VE DONE THE DESIGN OR ANYTHING ON THOSE YET.

HAVEN'T ACTUALLY, I HAVE, UM, I HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT PROJECTS IN NORTH SECOND AVENUE, GLEN ROAD.

UM, I'VE DONE, UM, THE DESIGN FOR ASHLYN GARDEN STREET.

I'VE DONE THE DESIGN FOR ASHLAND, BUT I, I'M NOT READY TO SEND THAT TO THE STATE, BUT I'VE GOT FOUR PACKAGES THAT I'M READY TO SEND OFF RIGHT NOW.

AND IT'LL TAKE ABOUT SIX WEEKS AFTER THE SOC IS SIGNED FOR US TO GET A PERMIT, TO START CONSTRUCTION.

AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER WE CAN DO IT.

IN-HOUSE BECAUSE WE HAVE BOUGHT EQUIPMENT, BUT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO ATTRACT THE MANPOWER TO PUT ON A, UH, SEWER CONSTRUCTION CREW.

UM, SO IT'LL BE DETERMINED.

WE'LL HAVE TO DETERMINE WHETHER WE CAN AFFORD TO CONTRACT IT OUT AND BUILD IT, OR WHETHER WE'LL DO IT WITHIN HOUSE FORCES.

THAT WAS MY INTENTION TO BEGIN WITH.

UH, BUT I HAVEN'T GOTTEN THOSE PEOPLE, UH, HIRED YET.

AND UM, SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME, IT'S, IT'D BE ABOUT SIX WEEKS.

I'LL HAVE THE PERMIT AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO THE WORK AND THEN WE'LL JUST HAVE TO FIND OUT HOW WE'LL HAVE TO DO IT, WHETHER IT BE CONTRACTED OUT OR WHAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO IT IN HOUSE.

THE SHORT ANSWER IS REALLY, WE CAN SEE THE LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL AS FAR AS SOLVING SOME OF THE SEPTIC TANK PROBLEMS BECAUSE OF THE ACTION WE JUST TOOK IN AUTHORIZING TO GO AHEAD WITH THE SOC.

YES, SIR.

THAT'S A BIG STEP IN MY ESTIMATION.

SO YES, SIR.

I HAD TO SEE THAT.

HAVE YOU HAD THE NEIGHBORHOOD MADE AWARE OTHER THAN THROUGH DISCIPLINE? UH, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN SO BUSY LAST COUPLE OF DAYS.

I'VE NOT CONTACTED THE PERSON.

I WILL DO THAT TOMORROW.

SINCE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT TONIGHT, I'LL CONTACT MS. MERCADO'S THE LADIES NAMED THAT I'VE BEEN TALKING WITH, I'LL CONTACT THEM AND LET THEM KNOW.

OKAY.

THEY'RE REALLY TIRED OF HEARING ME TELL THEM THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE WHILE LONGER BECAUSE OF THIS OR BECAUSE OF THAT.

BUT, UM, I CAN SEE THE LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL TONIGHT.

I, I BELIEVE I CAN TELL HIM SOMETHING DEFINITIVE NOW.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.

THE NEXT THING WE HAVE IS A HAZARD REPORT.

GOOD EVENING.

I HAVE, UH, GIVEN EACH ONE OF YOU A COPY OF MY NOTES AND I'LL RUN THROUGH THEM RATHER QUICKLY.

UM, UNIT 30, UH, AS WE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY, UM, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO THAT HOUSE WITH REPROGRAMMED, UH, DRI AND SOFT MONEY.

WE ANTICIPATE THAT ROUTE PROGRAMMING WOULD BE THROUGH AND APPROVED IN MAY OR JUNE UNIT NUMBER 80.

UH, THE ELEVATION IS COMPLETE.

HOUSE HAS BEEN REOCCUPIED.

WE HAVE REHAB REPAIRS INSIDE.

WE'VE MADE AN APPOINTMENT TO MEET WITH HER ON APRIL 5TH TO WRITE THOSE UP UNIT 92 HOUSE HAS BEEN REOCCUPIED.

THERE ARE A FEW MINOR STRUCTURAL REPAIRS THAT ARE UNDERWAY.

WE ALSO LOOKED AT THAT HOUSE ON THE 26TH, I GUESS THAT WAS YESTERDAY.

UM, AND LOOKING AT CRACKS AND THINGS INSIDE THE HOMES

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WE NEED TO GET FIXED.

UH, UNIT NUMBER 40 IS, UH, UH, JUST PENDING ON HOLD, UH, 74, UH, THAT PROPERTY HAS BEEN ACQUIRED BY THE CITY, UM, AS AN ACQUISITION.

UH, AND WE'LL BE DEALING WITH THAT FURTHER, AS FAR AS CLEARING THAT PROPERTY UNIT 17, UH, THAT OWNER WHO WAS CONSIDERING ACQUISITION HAS SELECTED ELEVATION.

WE HAVE THE CONTRACTS, CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTS FOR THAT IN PROCESSING.

UM, AND WE ARE TRYING TO LOCATE TEMPORARY HOUSING, UH, FOR THAT FAMILY UNIT 75.

UH, THAT OWNER ALSO HAS SELECTED, UH, ELEVATION AND WE HAVE THOSE CONTRACTS IN PROCESSING, UM, UNIT 78.

THIS IS WHEN WE DISCUSSED AT LENGTH BEFORE WE HAVE REQUESTED AN APPRAISAL FOR THIS PROPERTY, UH, TO OFFER THIS HOMEOWNER, UH, ACQUISITION, UH, UNIT 72 AND 93 OR PENDING, UH, UNIT 36.

THIS, THIS UNIT HAS BEEN ELEVATED AND NOW REOCCUPIED SOME VERY, VERY MINOR REHAB ITEMS INSIDE THE HOMES AND FOR SMALL CRACKS IN THE WALLS, WE NEED TO FIX UNIT FOUR.

UM, THIS ELEVATION IS COMPLETE, HAS BEEN REOCCUPIED.

UH, WE MET WITH THOSE FOLKS MONDAY AND, UM, I HAVE SOME MINOR CRACKS AND THINGS TO FIX IN THEIR WALLS.

UH, UNIT 28 IS CURRENTLY IN THERE UNDER CONSTRUCTION UNIT 29 IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

UH, UNIT 70 IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

I THINK AS MR. HERE.

GOOD TO SEE, UM, UH, UNIT 84.

YOU CAN SEE THERE AS PENDING, UH, UNIT OH FOUR.

UH, THE OWNER WAS CONSIDERING ACQUISITION IS NOW SELECTED ELEVATION, UM, BECAUSE OF SOME CONTRACTING DIFFICULTIES WITH THE LOW BIDDER, WE WILL BE REWARDING THIS TO ANOTHER CONTRACTOR AT YOUR APRIL 10TH BOARD MEETING, UH, UNIT NUMBER FIVE.

UH, THE OWNER OF STEEL IS CONSIDERING ACQUISITION.

UH, THIS IS AN ELDERLY COUPLE AND IT WOULD BE A BIG BIG EVENT FOR THEM.

SO WE'RE STILL GIVING THEM TIME TO DECIDE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

A UNIT 18.

THE OWNER IS STILL TRYING TO DECIDE WHETHER TO HAVE ELEVATION OR ACQUISITION OPTION THE CITY'S WORKING WITH DEM ON PURCHASE OPTIONS AND WHAT THIS INVOLVES.

UM, IF A HOME, UH, CHANGED HANDS SINCE 1996, UH, THEY ARE OFFERED FOR ACQUISITION THE LOWER OF THE APPRAISED VALUE OR THE ACQUISITION COST, WHICH IS PRETTY LOGICAL UNTIL YOU GET TO WHERE, UM, YOU HAVE IN THE FAMILY, UM, DISCOUNTED PRICES CHANGING, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET SOME MISS DAVIDS.

MATTER OF FACT, IT'S WORKING WITH D M TO TRY TO GET SOME EXCEPTION TO THAT.

UH, SO WE CAN MAKE A MORE REASONABLE OFFER TO THE MAN UNIT 19.

UH, WE MET WITH THIS LADY LAST WEEK.

UM, SHE HAS, AS OF MONDAY SELECTED ELEVATION FOR HER HOME, WE HAVE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTS AND PROCESSING, AND WE HAVE LOCATED TEMPORARY HOUSING FOR, UH, HER AND HER CATS.

UH, UNIT SIX IS PENDING UNIT 23.

UH, WE MET WITH THAT OWNER LAST WEEK.

UM, HE STILL IS UNDECIDED ON ACQUISITION RELEVATION.

WE HAVE REQUESTED AN APPRAISAL ON HIS BEHALF, UNIT 26 IS PENDING, UM, UNIT 45, UH, IS VERY MUCH IT'S THE SAME AS WE TALKED ABOUT THE FIRST UNIT WE'LL USE REPROGRAM DRR SOFT MONEY UNIT 46, UM, IS BASICALLY WE NEED TO MEET WITH HER.

WE NEED TO MEET WITH HIM.

WE'RE HOPING TO DO THAT INTO THIS WEEK.

UM, FIRST, THE NEXT WEEK.

AND I THINK THERE ARE ABOUT FOUR OF THOSE.

NOW A UNIT 65 AND 66 ARE PENDING A UNIT 77.

UH, THIS AGAIN, RECEIVED EXCEEDS THE H AND G P ALLOWABLE.

UH, AGAIN, BECAUSE OF CONTRACTING PROBLEMS WITH THE CONTRACTOR, WE WILL REWARD THIS TO LYNN REASON THAT YOUR APRIL 10TH BOARD MEETING, UH, AND WE WILL NEED TO USE THE, OUR, OUR SOFT MONEY TO REASON TO THAT'S A NAME TO, UM, TO LYNN REASON.

I'M SORRY, NOT FOR A REASON, BUT TO A UNIT 79 AND 86, OUR OFFENDING UNIT, UM, SEVEN AGAIN, WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS AT LENGTH LAST MONTH AND THE APPRAISAL HAS BEEN REQUESTED TO OFFER ACQUISITION TO THAT OWNER.

UH, UNIT NINE IS PENDING A UNIT 20 AGAIN, EXCEEDS HMGP ALLOWABLE, UH, USED REPROGRAM DRR SOFT MONEY UNIT 25.

WE MET WITH THAT OWNER LAST WEEK.

HE'S READY TO MOVE OUT WITH ONE DAY'S NOTICE.

WE HAVE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTS IN PROCESSING UNIT 39.

WE NEED TO MEET WITH HIM THIS WEEK, OR FIRST NEXT WEEK, UNIT 43 AND 47 ARE ON HOLD AND PENDING A UNIT 54.

WE NEED TO MEET WITH HER END OF THIS WEEK.

FIRST OF NEXT WEEK, UH, UNIT

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58 IS PENDING, UH, UNIT 69 IS, UM, MS. JACKSON OVER HERE ON THE END.

UM, HER HOUSE ALSO EXCEEDED THE HMGP ALLOWABLE.

UH, THE CONTRACTOR HAS AGREED TO LOWER HIS PRICE BY $1,500.

SO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO WORK ON HER HOUSE.

WE'VE MET WITH HER LAST WEEK.

UM, SHE'S READY TO GO WITH, I THINK ONE DAY'S NOTICE HAS MOST EVERYTHING PACKED AND WE HAVE THAT CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT, UH, IN PROCESSING.

UM, THERE ARE SEVERAL OF THEM YOU'VE SEEN THAT WE'VE MET WITH LAST WEEK AND HAVE GOTTEN, UM, APPROVALS TO GO FORTH IN PROCESSING CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTS.

THERE ARE ANOTHER GROUP THAT, UH, I THINK THERE WERE FOUR OF THEM THAT WE NEED TO MEET WITH THOSE PEOPLE.

UM, WHAT WE DID IS WE TOOK A SPREAD ON THE CONTRACTORS AND TRIED TO GET THE FIRST ONE OR TWO HOUSES FOR EACH CONTRACTOR TO GET ALL THE CONTRACTORS BUSY.

AND THEN WE'LL BE MEETING WITH THE NEXT GROUP OF PEOPLE TO THE CONTRACTORS CAN MOVE FORWARD ON THOSE HOUSES.

AND THEN YOU SEE THEIR PACKAGE SIX, UH, PROJECTED UNITS FOR PACKAGE SIX.

YOU PLAN ON RECEIVING BIDS IN MAY OF 2001.

WE HAVE SEVERAL CONTRACTORS NOW WHO HAVE A PRETTY HEFTY WORKLOAD WITH US.

UH, WE'D LIKE TO PAUSE A MINUTE AND SEE HOW THEY DO, AND LET'S, DON'T GET THEM OVERLOADED AND SEE IF WE NEED TO DISTRIBUTED AMONGST ALL THE CONTRACTORS WHEN PACKAGE SIX IS BID WE'LL HAVE EVERYTHING BID, UM, EXCEPT FOR THE NINE OR 10 VACANT UNITS THAT WE HAVE IN THE PROGRAM.

DID YOU EVER TRY TO CONTRACT SUGGESTING PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON? THE, UM, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THE PROGRAM, UH, I PERSONALLY CONTACTED HIM AND HE SAID HE HAD TOO MUCH TO DO, AND HE STILL IS PRETTY MUCH WIDE, BUT WE CAN CONTACT HIM WITH THIS PACKAGE SIX AND SEE IF HE'S INTERESTED AT ALL THERE AS AN ADDITIONAL RESOURCE.

AND I HAVE TO HOLD UP ANY OF IT BECAUSE IF WE SPREAD IT OUT, KEEP IT AND WITH THE, WITH PROBABLY TWO EXCEPTIONS.

IF YOU LOOK IN THIS BID PACKAGE, UM, ALL OF THEM WILL BE ON HOLD.

ALL OF THEM WOULD BE, UH, PENDING, UH, EVEN IF WE DID BID THEM.

UM, AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE, I LISTED THE ELEVATIONS THERE FOR YOU.

UH, MOST OF THEM ARE AT LEAST 9.2 AND ABOVE.

ONE'S ALREADY AT 10 FEET, NO OTHERS, RIGHT UNDER 10 FEET.

UM, THERE'S SOME SPECIAL CASES IN HERE.

SO THEY'RE PROBABLY TWO THAT IF WE HAD SOMEBODY THAT COULD GO TO WORK WITH THEM BACK TO THE FOLD WITH THEM.

UM, SO, BUT WE WILL TRY TO SCOUR AND TRY TO FIND SOME MORE CONTRACTORS TO HOPEFULLY SPREAD THINGS OUT.

AND WHY DON'T YOU SAY ANYTHING? LIKE IS THE ELEVATION 10 FEET MAINTAINS THE EYES THEY USED TO, THEY USED TO REQUIRE THIS HIGH AS A CITY BUILDER, RIGHT? LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, I GUESS HE SHOULDN'T BE IN ANY EMINENT DANGER.

YES, SIR.

THAT'S CORRECT.

YOU'RE ALREADY HIGH ENOUGH, BUT REASON WE'RE TAKING THEM TO 12 FEET, RIGHT? THEY ARE AT 10 FEET NOW, BUT I THINK THE FLOOD LEVELS, WEREN'T NEARLY UP TO THAT LEVEL WHEN WE HAD THE FLU.

OH, I THINK MY OWN HOUSE, IF I REMEMBER CORRECT, ISN'T THAT WHAT? THE CITY REQUIRED NINE FEET WHEN I BUILT MINE AND I TOLD MY SON, I SAID, HEY, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ALL THAT MAY ANOTHER FOOT IN THE HAIR, BUT IT HADN'T COME CLOSE TO ME YET.

IT'S COME UP IN MY YARD.

BUT I MEAN, EVEN THEN TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WERE FUDGE FACTOR AND THEY, UH, ONE OR TWO OF THEM IS AT LEAST AS HIGH AS MINE AND MAYBE HIGHER.

SO MIKE, DID YOU CHECK A FORMAL PHOTOGRAPH TODAY? THE REASON I'M ASKING, CAUSE WE LOOK UNUSUALLY WELL-GROOMED I WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE TO WORK IN THE OFFICE TODAY AND THEN WENT OUT AND ALL OF A SUDDEN I HAD TO GET CLEANED UP A LITTLE BIT.

NOW LET ME EXPLAIN IT'S MY, HE DIDN'T MEAN IT YOU'VE BEEN LUCKY.

HE DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING TO ME EVERY NIGHT.

I APPRECIATE IT.

APPRECIATE IT ANYWHERE I CAN GET.

YEAH, MY PROJECTED TIME ONCE YOU'VE DONE, MOST OF THE NEGOTIATING, MOST OF THEM ARE TIME OF COMPLETION PRACTICE JANUARY.

GOOD TONIGHT.

THANK YOU.

JACKIE TIME WAS COMPLETION AND THE BLOOD IN MY FACE.

I COULDN'T HEAR, DO YOU HAVE A PROJECTED TIME OF COMPLETION FOR EVERYTHING? YEAH.

FOR MOST OF EVERYTHING, MOST OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE DONE,

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THE NEGOTIATING AND THE BEATING OUT OF, UM, NO, MA'AM I HAVE NOT PUT THAT DOWN.

UM, SINCE WE'RE REALLY DEALING WITH THREE DIFFERENT, WHAT I WOULD CALL CLASSIC GROUPS OF HOUSES, THE OWNER-OCCUPIED THE RENTALS AND THEN THE VACANTS.

AND WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO PURSUE OTHER FUNDS TO HELP SOME OF THE ONES AT THE END.

UM, IT'D BE REAL DIFFICULT, NOT HAVE A LOT BETTER CHANCE OF BEING WRONG AND I WOULDN'T BE IN RIGHT.

BUT, UM, I THINK WITH, WITH MOST OF THE ONES THAT ARE IN DANGER WITH PARTICIPATION, UM, THAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED RATHER EXPEDITIOUSLY.

I WOULD HAVE TO SIT DOWN AND WORK ON THAT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

APPRECIATE IT.

GOOD WORK.

KEEP THE PEDAL TO THE METAL.

NEXT THING WE HAVE IS THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH IS THE SHORTEST ONE THAT I'VE SEEN.

I BELIEVE IT'S YOURS WE'VE EVER MET SINCE YOU CLAIM.

I NEVER GIVE YOU A CHANCE.

IT'S YOUR TIME TO MAKE THE MOST MR. MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH, UH, WITH ROBERT'S PERMISSION, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OF THIS ONE ITEM, IF NOT, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

YES, YES, YES, YES, YES.

OKAY.

NEXT THING WE HAVE IS APARTMENTS.

I DON'T HAVE ANY, SIR.

NO, SIR.

I HAVE NO APPOINTMENTS.

ALL RIGHT.

MISCELLANEOUS MISCELLANEOUS TONIGHT, BUT NO MISCELLANEOUS.

I TRIED TO THINK OF SOMETHING TODAY.

JULIUS WAS TELLING EVERYBODY THEY WERE GO BE SHORT.

MEANING IF I SHUT UP MR. FREE, UH, ONE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT, WE GET SOME REPORTS FROM DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS IN THE BACK OF THIS, UH, THIS STUDY MATERIAL EACH WEEK OR EACH MEETING.

AND SOMETIMES I LOOK AT IT AND SOMETIMES, SOMETIMES I DON'T, BUT SOMETHING CAUGHT MY EYE THIS TIME.

THAT REALLY BOTHERS ME.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT IT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO BRING OUT THAT ON THE ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICERS REPORT, IT SAYS HERE THE REPORT FOR ONE MONTH, THEY HAD TO EUTHANIZE 1000, 290 DOGS AND 1,753 CATS.

AND IT MAKES ME WONDER IF WE DON'T NEED TO TRY TO SUPPORT SOME KIND OF A NEUTER SPRAY PROGRAM IN THE CITY OF NEWBURGH.

IF WE'VE GOT THIS MANY OF THESE ANIMALS RUNNING LOOSE THAT HAVE TO BE COLLECTED BY THE ANIMAL CONTROL.

THAT JUST STRIKES ME AS BEING A PHENOMENAL NUMBER.

AM I GETTING A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT DOGS BARKING HALF THE NIGHT? I THINK THAT THAT IS A HIGH NUMBER.

I DON'T, I WOULD QUESTION WHETHER THAT WAS A MONTH OR NOT.

AND IT ALSO, ALL THOSE I USE AN AGENT, UH, STATISTICS ARE NOT JUST FROM THE CITY.

THEY ARE WHERE THE COUNTY IS.

WELL, EVEN THE COUNTY WISE.

I MEAN, THAT'S A LOT, I FORGOT SOMETHING IN THE BACK OF MY RESTAURANT AND PEOPLE TURNED OVER 931 DOGS TO THE POUND.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PART OF THE ONES THAT HAD ALREADY EUTHANIZED AND 1,121 CATS.

AND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A CRYING SHAME THAT THERE ISN'T SOME WAY THAT NUMBER CAN BE LOWERED.

IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S IRRESPONSIBLE ON THE PART OF A LOT OF THE ANIMAL OWNERS.

AND THEN AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW, IT JUST, IT, IT JUST ATTRACTED MY ATTENTION AND IT SEEMED LIKE AN OUTRAGEOUS NUMBER OF, I POINTED OUT THE YEAR, MR. WARD, MA'AM, I'M GOING TO GO WITH PRECEDENT.

AND HE APOLOGIZED FOR BEING LATE TONIGHT.

MY WIFE'S FIRST COUSIN FROM RHODE ISLAND CAME IN YESTERDAY WITH HER NEW HUSBAND AND THEY SPENT THE NIGHT WITH US WITH A RATHER LATE EVENING.

I DIDN'T GET HOME TONIGHT UNTIL AFTER SIX O'CLOCK AND IT JUST GOT BY.

THIS IS WHAT I THINK THE FIRST TIME SINCE I WAS FIRST ELECTED IN 1985, THEN I REMEMBER AL BEING LATE.

WE, I THINK WE CAN LET IT SLIDE THIS TIME.

YOU JUST DON'T LET IT HAPPEN AGAIN.

I KNOW, UH, TWO OTHER ITEMS NEED

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TO CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE AMENDMENT TO THE LAND USE ORDINANCE PROMPTED BY THE STORM WATER.

I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE IT AT THE NEXT MEETING OR FOUR, 10, A ONE NOTHING'S REQUIRED.

IF YOU JUST WOULD AGREE THAT WE HAVE THAT, I TRY TO GET ALL THE CHANGES MADE AND THEN A RESOLUTION TO AUTHORIZE YOU, MR. MAYOR, TO SIGN A SITE CERTIFICATION FOR THE WATER RECLAMATION FRIDAY, I SEND YOU PREPARED COPIES FOR EVERYONE, BUT WE GET BY WITH IT.

I JUST SEND YOU THE ORIGINAL AND WHAT A REVOLUTION TO ADOPT INSTEAD OF THE USUAL, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT COLE ROAD, PLEASE.

MA'AM YES, YES, YES.

YEAH.

JUST ONE COMMENT.

UH, SINCE OUR LAST MEETING, I HAD TO GO UP AND DO CARDIAC CATHETERIZATION.

I'VE BEEN HAVING SOME PROBLEMS WITH CHEST PAIN, FOUR, 10 DOCTOR UP THERE TOLD ME THE ONLY THING YOU NEED TO DO IS GIVE ME SOME ADDITIONAL MEDICATION WHICH RESULTED IN MY BEING OVER-MEDICATED, WHICH MAY HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO MY BEING LATE.

I THINK I'VE GOT IT STRAIGHT.

DANIELLE, YOU HAVE ANYTHING? JUST ONE ITEM, MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

I ASKED DANNY IF HE WOULD COME FORWARD AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT, UH, A, UH, SOME BIT, AND HE'S NOT TOO SURE WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.

YEAH, I KNOW WHAT IT'S ABOUT.

I THOUGHT YOU HAD AN ITEM IN THERE.

UH, I HAVE TWO VERY QUICK, UH, FIRST ONE AND I APOLOGIZE FOR DOING THIS THING.

I ALMOST FORGOT IT AND I DID SPELL CHECK, BUT IT DOESN'T TAKE OUT WORDS THAT SHOULDN'T BE THERE.

SO I ASKED THAT YOU ADOPT THIS RESOLUTION AND LET ME CLEAN IT UP AND THEN LET THE MAYOR SIGN IT.

UH, BUT, UM, WE WERE REQUIRED TO, UH, RENEW OUR PERMIT AT OUR YARD WASTE FACILITY.

AND WE HAVE ACTUALLY, UH, GROWN FROM A YARD WASTE FACILITY UNDER THE RULES, AS THEY'RE WRITTEN, WRITTEN TO A COMPOST FACILITY, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T COMPOST, WE HAVE TO BE UNDER THE COMPOST RULES AND THERE WAS SOME REQUIRED, UM, WORK WE HAD TO DO ON OUR SIDE IN ORDER TO GET A PERMIT.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT FOR ABOUT A YEAR.

UH, THE BOARD BUDGETED MONEY FUNDS TO, UH, DO THE NECESSARY WORK.

AND WE HAD FINALLY LAST THURSDAY RECEIVED THE PERMIT AND, UH, WE HAD REQUESTED BIDS FOR THIS PROJECT.

IT IT'S LESS THAN THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENT FOR, UH, UH, SENDING OUT, UH, BE IT FOR A FULL FORMAL BEDS, BUT JUST WANTED TO BRING IT BEFORE YOU, WE ARE REQUESTING THAT YOU ADOPT THIS ORDINANCE TO ALLOW US TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH GAC CONSTRUCTION FOR THE NECESSARY WORK AT OUR SITE FOR $58,775.

AND IF YOU APPROVE THIS RESOLUTION, I'LL CLEAN IT UP AND THEN HAVE THE MAYOR SIGN IT.

IF YOU WOULD PLAY ONE QUESTION, YOU ALL SATISFIED THE SAME.

IT SAYS LOW BED IS SO MUCH LOWER THAN THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAS, UH, KEVIN HAS LOOKED AT IT AND, UH, AND HE FEELS COMFORTABLE WITH, I MEAN, WE'RE SPECKING THE MATERIAL AND WE FEEL GOOD ABOUT BEING YES.

OKAY.

ORIGINALLY, UH, WE, WE ORIGINALLY BUDGETED 90,000 FOR THIS PROJECT, SO WE'RE, WE'RE COMING IN AND THAT'S REALLY GOOD.

OKAY.

I MOVE WITH DR.

REVOLUTION HERE.

I CAN'T HEAR TOO WELL ANYMORE.

I CALL THE ROAD PLEASE.

MA'AM YES, YES, YES.

YEAH.

AND THE OTHER ITEM I HAVE, UH, AND I WISH OTTOMAN BOUNDARY WAS HERE TONIGHT, BUT I WAS HOPING I'D GET TO TALK TO HIM AND ALDERMAN BATTLES WITH MATT.

AND, UH, WE HAVE PAVED THE, UH, SECTION OF LAURA LANE NOW, UH, BETWEEN PINE TREE DRIVE AND MONTEREY CIRCLE, UH, WAS PAID LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS.

AND WE'VE HAD SOME, UH, CALLS, ESPECIALLY I GOT ONE TODAY FROM THE POLICE AND SOME NEIGHBORHOODS, SO ON AND SO FORTH THAT THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT NEW STOP SIGNS AT

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THE SITE AT THE INTERSECTION OF PINE TREE DRIVE AND LAURA LANE AND, UH, UPON, UH, LAURA LANE AND MONTEREY CIRCLE.

AND THEN AT AMHERST MONTEREY CIRCLE, I'VE DRAFTED AN ORDINANCE, UH, HERE THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO, UH, PUT UP STOP SIGNS.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT.

THE POLICE CALLED TODAY AND WANTING TO PUT SIGNS UP EVEN BEFORE WE HAD THE ORDINANCE.

AND I TOLD HIM WE CAN'T DO THAT.

SO, UM, I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH RECOMMENDING THAT THE BOARD APPROVE THIS ORDINANCE TONIGHT, AND THEN WE CAN GO AHEAD AND SIGN IT.

I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THIS ORDINANCE, PUT UP STOP SIGNS WHERE IT DEFINITELY NEEDED.

WELL, THE DISCUSSION IS NOT CALLING THE ROLL, PLEASE.

YES, YES, YES, YES.

YEAH.

AND FINALLY, I WOULD JUST, UH, LET THE BOARD KNOW WE HAD OUR MEETING YESTERDAY WITH THE DEVELOPERS ON OUR STORM WATER ORDINANCE HAD A VERY GOOD TURNOUT.

UH, WE, WE WORKED TOGETHER WITH, UH, KENSTON HAVE, HAVE LOCKED IN THE CITY OF NEWBURN.

WE MET AT THE COOPERATIVE EXTENSION SERVICE AND, UH, HAD ABOUT 45 PEOPLE THERE.

SO A GOOD TURNOUT, UH, THINK EVERYBODY'S LEARNING A LITTLE BIT MORE AS WE GO IN THROUGH AND VERY POSITIVE, UH, REACTION WE GOT FROM THE FOLKS.

SO WE'RE HEADING HOME AND, UH, HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET OUR, UH, LAND USE ORDINANCE CLEANED UP.

WE'LL BE ABLE TO START ENFORCING NEAL.

SO THAT WAS THE DEVELOPERS DID UNDERSTAND THAT THE THINKING BEHIND IT.

YEAH.

UH, AND, AND CLEARED UP SOME QUESTIONS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

AND AS WE TOLD THEM, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE BREAKING NEW GROUND.

AND AS THIS THING PROCEEDS THROUGH, WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER AND DO WHAT WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ENFORCED THE LAW, BUT ALSO, UH, BE ABLE TO DEVELOP ALSO, I THINK THEY'RE WORKING WITH, OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

I'D LIKE TO SAY BEFORE WE CLOSE, IT'S BEEN AN UNUSUAL NIGHT.

MR. WARD HAS NEVER BEEN LATE.

HE WAS LIKE, I'VE NEVER SEEN A ONE ITEM CONSENT AGENDA AND A 40 ITEM MISCELLANEOUS.

BUT ANYWAY, LET ME TELL Y'ALL ONE LITTLE FUNNY MAN SAYS, NO READ.

IT COMES TO MIND.

THEY SHOW YOU THAT MY LIFE IS STRANGER THAN FICTION, BUT IT'S PRETTY ENJOYABLE.

BUT LAST WEEK, MY WIFE AND MYSELF, AND, UH, HER SISTER MONICA PERSISTENCE, UH, MELD A COUPLE, WHAT DID ATLANTIC CITY? AND WE HAD A GOOD LITTLE TRAIL AND STOPPED BY MY RETIREMENT MAILS ON THE WAY BACK.

BUT ANYWAY, WE WENT ATLANTIC CITY AS THE SLEEPING ARRANGEMENTS, WORKED OUT A ROOM WITH THIS FELLOW THAT I ACTUALLY WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL WITH HIM, KNOWN HIM FOR YEARS.

Y'ALL HAD SEEN HIM COMING UP HERE TO MEETINGS BEFORE RANDOM MINE FROM WAY BACK.

AND HE'S A YEAR AND A HALF OLDER THAN ME.

AND I'LL JUST PUT IT THIS WAY.

HE'S A LOT MORE MATURE THAN I AM, BUT THEY ALL LIKE TO GET UP AND EAT BREAKFAST AND ALL THAT SCENE.

AND I LIKE TO JUST KINDA TAKE IT EASY IN THE MORNING AND I'M A LITTLE DIFFERENT PERSON.

SO WHILE HE WAS TAKING HIS SHOWER, I LOOKED OVER ON THE LITTLE NIGHTSTAND BETWEEN THE BEDS AND I SAW HIS WATCH.

SO BEING THE 12 YEAR OLD, I STILL AM.

I CRANKED HIM UP FOR AN EXTRA HOUR.

AND SO THEY WENT ON, WENT AND I GAVE MY HOURS.

SO TO GET SITUATED, GOD, I SOUNDED ALL NASTY.

IF I COULD FIND THEM, I FOUND THEM ON THE FLOOR ABOVE US.

AND THEY WERE EATING IN THE RESTAURANT.

I WENT TO ATLANTA WITH JARUS PETE.

AND I THOUGHT, MY GOD, THEY MAN HOUR AND SOMETHING, HE HAD STARTED THIS ALL TO BE A GOOD STORY.

SO I DIDN'T SAY A WORD ABOUT A TIME WHEN I FIRST SAT DOWN, I LET THEM TALK A LITTLE BIT.

AND I TALKED, I SAID, BY THE WAY, I LOOKED AT HIM, I SAID, WHAT TIME IS IT? AND WHEN I SAY THAT, ALL OF THEM SAID, I KNEW HE DID IT.

I SAID, MAN, LOOK, WE'VE BEEN RUNNING AROUND THIS HOTEL, YOU KNOW? AND HE'S BEEN GOING, LOOK, WE AIN'T GOT THE 45 MINUTES FOR EVERY CHECK OUT.

HE WAS RUSHING HIM ALL OVER THE PLACE.

AND I SAID THAT LIVE BEFORE YOU BLAMED ME FOR I'M SURE AMONG THE REST OF IT.

IF YOU ALL COULD FIGURE OUT THAT HIS WATCH WAS AN HOUR AHEAD.

WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED? YOU'LL NEVER BELIEVE IT.

AND THANK GOD THEY WILL REMAIN ANONYMOUS AND I WON'T BE IN TROUBLE, BUT ONE OF THEM HAD A WATCH.

AND THAT OF COURSE WAS AN HOUR BEHIND THE OTHER TWO.

DIDN'T HAVE A WATCH.

AND THE OTHER ONE WAS TWO TIME CHANGES BEHIND.

SO WE HAD AGREED WITH HIM THAT I STILL COULDN'T RESOLVE IT.

I TOLD HIM I WAS GOING TO BE THAT MAN OUT OF NEVER PUTTING THAT OUT.

BUT ANYWAY, I DON'T WANT TO GIVE ANYBODY OUT HERE.

ANY IDEAS ABOUT FULLY WENT DOWN THE FOLLOWING BLOCK.

THERE'S NO TELLING WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN, BUT IT WAS GREAT FUN.

BUT I HAVEN'T MENTIONED WHO WAS WHO IN THIS PLOT? I HAVE A QUESTION, MAN.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

YEAH.

IF, IF YOU LET A COUPLE OF THE WOMEN LOOSEN POTOMAC MILLS, WHAT DOES TIME

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MATTER? AND GET THEM OUT OF THERE.

SO ANYHOW, WHY, IF YOU'D BE A LOT OF FUN, IF YOU LOOK AT IT IN THE RIGHT WAY, RIGHT? DID YOU WIN ANY MONEY? OH, BUT HOW ARE YOU DOING? I'VE BEEN SHAKING HANDS NOW.

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THEY PLAY WITH THE LITTLE QUARTER MACHINES AND THINK THEY'RE HAVING FUN.

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