Apr 20, 2022 Historic Preservation Commission

HAVE THERE BEEN SOME MINUTES PUBLISHED? NO, I WON'T CALL FOR APPROVAL THEN.

IT IS THE APPOINTED HOUR.

CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER THAT YOU CALLED ROLL.

CERTAINLY JOHN BLACKWELDER HERE, PANKY BROADWAY AND THAT STONE JAMES BISBEE HERE, CANDACE SULLIVAN, TONY BRYANT.

UH, LET'S SEE.

ELLEN SHERIDAN IS ABSENCE.

UH, RUTH COX IS EXCUSED AND TRIP.

YOUR IS EXCUSED.

SO WE HAVE A QUORUM.

WE HAVE A QUORUM ALREADY NOT GOING TO BE HERE.

SO WOULD THAT MAKE HER OH, THAT'S RIGHT.

EXCUSE ALSO, I'M SORRY.

[2. Approval of Minutes of Previous Meeting(s) ]

[3.A. Hearings: Introduction, Swearing-In, Summary of Process ]

SO THE FIRST ONE ON THE AGENDA IS 2 0 7 POLLOCK STREET.

I HAVE SOME INTRODUCTORY COMMENTS.

SHORT PRESERVATION COMMISSION IS A PUBLIC COMMISSION APPOINTED BY THE CITY OF NEWBORNS, BOARD OF ALDERMAN.

IT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR PRESERVING AND SAFEGUARDING NEWBORNS LOCALLY, DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICTS, DOWNTOWN AND RIVERSIDE BASED ON US DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR GUIDELINES, STATE STATUTES, CITY ORDINANCES, AND NEWBORNS, HISTORIC GUIDELINES.

TWO OF THE MAJOR TASKS WE HAVE IS APPROVING APPLICATIONS FOR CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS AND PREVENTING DEMOLITION OF HISTORIC DISTRICTS.

BY NEGLECT.

WE HOLD ADDITIONAL HEARINGS ON THE APPLICATIONS FOR CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS.

THE COMMISSIONERS HERE, SWORN TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT BY PARTIES WHO RECEIVED NOTICE OF THE HEARING AND BY OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT COMMENTS AND STANDING THE COMMISSION CAN'T CONSIDER COMMENTS BASED ON PERSONAL LIKES AND DISLIKES, HEARSAY, PERSONAL OPINION, NOT BACKED UP BY FACTS RELATED TO THE GUIDELINES.

AND LIKEWISE, WE WILL REFRAIN FROM STATING PERSONAL OPINIONS, DISLIKES, ET CETERA.

AND THE COMMISSION MAKES A DECISION ON THE APPLICATION BASED SOLELY ON THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PRESENTED AT THE HEARING.

WOULD YOU SWEAR IN OUR PRESENTERS? OKAY.

PLEASE COME FORWARD.

HOW THAT'S BEING COMPLETED.

HERE'S OUR PROCESS FOR TONIGHT.

HBC ADMINISTRATOR WILL PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT, OR THE REPRESENTATIVE CAN PRESENT THE APPLICATION OR COMMENT ON IT.

PROPONENTS OF THE PROPONENTS AND OPPONENTS OF THE APPLICATION WHO RECEIVED NOTICE ARE ALLOWED TO PRESENT EVIDENCE.

WE CAN HAVE A REBUTTAL BY THE APPLICANT.

OTHERS WHO JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT INFORMATION CAN, CAN SPEAK.

ACC ADMINISTRATOR WILL PRESENT HIS FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATION.

THE APPLICANT HAS A FINAL OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE COMMENTS.

UH, THE COMMISSIONERS WILL THEN HEAR EVIDENCE AND ASK QUESTIONS, ET CETERA.

AND THEN I'LL ASK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE OR DENY THE APPLICATION AND WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION AND MAKE A DECISION.

[3.B. 207 Pollock St. – to include removal of an existing wood exterior stairway and existing second floor exterior doorway, replacing wood siding on second story rear side wall to cover the doorway opening, and extension of the wood fencing from along the side of the driveway; all this in the Secondary and Tertiary AVCs. ]

THAT'S CORRECT.

IT WON'T NEED TO STAND UP YET.

IT'LL BE A FEW MINUTES.

SO WE'LL START WITH THE APPLICATION.

UH, HERE'S THE FRONT PAGE HERE TO A SEVEN POLLOCK STREET.

UH, PROPERTY OWNERS ARE MIKE AND ALAP ALANA OR ELENA, ELENA UBER, UH, AND THEY'VE PROVIDED THE INFORMATION REQUIRED THERE AND SIGNED AND DATED THE APPLICATION, UH, THEN, UH, TO S AND UH, IS, UM, MR. MS. HUBER HERE.

CLOSING OFF THAT DOORWAY AT THE TOP OF THE STAIRWAY, AND THEN ALSO, UH, ADDING A FENCE AROUND THE BOTTOM OF THE CR AT THE GRASS AREA HERE.

UM, SO THIS IS THE, UH, FRONT VIEW OF THE HOUSE, UH, AND THEN THE SIDE VIEW IN THE BACK, AND WE'RE TALKING, GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT REMOVING THAT ENTIRE WOODEN STAIRWAY, UH, STRUCTURE AS WELL AS THEN, AND CLOSING,

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WE'LL SEE IN A MINUTE, A LITTLE BETTER, SOME OTHER ANGLES HERE.

SO HERE'S THE FRONT FENCE.

AND THEN THAT FENCE WILL BE CONTINUED ALONG THE DRIVEWAY TO THE BACK AND AROUND THE CORNER AROUND THAT CURB EDGE OF THE GRASS BACK.

UH, THIS WAS A, UM, SANBORN MAP SHOWING IN THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER OF THE SECOND HOUSE FOR THE LEFT, UM, IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

UM, THEN WE ALSO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL PHOTOGRAPHS HERE, UH, CLOSER UP TO YOU AT THIS ANGLE SHOWING THE STAIRWAY STRUCTURE.

AND ALSO THERE IS A MECHANICAL UNIT HERE IN THE FOREGROUND.

UM, AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S RELATIVELY THE SAME PICTURE WE SAW BEFORE.

UH, THIS ONE IS NOW FROM THE REAR LOOKING BACK TOWARDS THE FRONT, AND NOW YOU CAN SEE MORE OF THE GRASSY AREA THAT THE FENCE WILL, UH, UM, BE TRAVELING OR BE INSTALLED ALONG THE EDGE OF THE GRASS.

AND THEY'VE PROVIDED IN THIS CASE.

THIS IS A VIEW OF THAT DOORWAY THAT IS, UH, WHERE THE X IS ON THE DRAWING, UH, AND SHOWING HOW THEY PLAN TO COVER THAT ENTRANCEWAY WITH A SIDING.

IN FACT, NOT JUST THE ENTRANCEWAY, BUT THAT ENTIRE SEGMENT OF THE, UM, UPPER PORTION OF THAT PART OF THE STRUCTURE.

SO ESSENTIALLY, UM, REMOVING ALL THE SIDING ABOVE THE BASICALLY FLOOR LEVEL AND UP TO THE SOFFIT, UH, AND REINSTALLING NEW WOOD SIDING.

UH, THEY ALSO SHOW THE EXISTING PATIENTS TO REMAIN.

SO NOTHING IS TOUCHED THERE.

THE EXISTING WINDOW IS TO REMAIN, UH, AND THEY ARE INTENDING TO, UH, THERE'S A NOTE HERE TO SAY THAT SAYS, HOLD REVEAL.

THAT IS TO SAY THAT, UH, THE NEW SIDING WILL MAINTAIN THE SETBACK, UM, IN THE BUILDING, UH, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE HERE UP TO THE RIGHT OF THE WINDOW.

UM, ALRIGHT.

AND THEN ALSO NOTING THE REMOVAL OF THE WOODEN STRUCTURE AND STAIRS, AND HERE'S JUST A SCHEMATIC VIEW OF THE FENCE.

UM, THAT WOULD BE THEN ALONG THAT, ALONG THAT EDGE OF THE GRASS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE STAIRS THERE, THEY ADDED SOME ADDITIONAL SKETCHES HERE TO HELP US OUT.

UM, THIS MIGHT BE OKAY.

I HAVE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER PICTURES, BUT ON THE LEFT, OBVIOUSLY THE FENCE OUT FRONT THAT THEY'RE MATCHING, I'LL SHOW YOU A BIGGER SKETCH IN A MINUTE, AND THEN AGAIN, A PHOTOGRAPH, UH, OF THE STAIRWAY.

UH, BUT THERE ALSO HAVE A PLAN YOU HEAR ANNOUNCED THAT WE'LL COME UP TO IN A SECOND.

SO HERE'S THE LARGER VERSION OF THE FENCE SHOWING, UH, THEIR SKETCH OF THAT, UH, 48 INCHES TALL, A WOODEN FENCE BACKED BY TWO BY FOURS, SUPPORTED BY FOUR BY FOUR SET IN CONCRETE, 18 INCHES BELOW GRADE.

AND THAT'S ALL WOOD.

UH, THE PICKETS ESSENTIALLY ARE ONE BY FOURS AND AGAIN, TO MATCH THE EXISTING OUTFRONT, THEN THE PLAN VIEW OF THIS, UM, YOU SEE, THE FENCE IS SHOWN HERE IS THE LINE WITH THE X'S ON IT.

IT ACTUALLY EXTENDS BEYOND THIS RIGHT-HAND CORNER, UH, ALONG THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING.

IS THAT CORRECT? UH, I THINK, UH, WE'LL PROBABLY GO FROM THAT COURT JUST BASED ON THE FACT THAT, UM, IF IT WENT TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, IT'S VERY NARROW BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND FOR THE FEST, WHICH WOULD ALL RIGHT.

SO WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AGAIN.

SO RIGHT HERE, YOU'RE PLANNING ON IT ACTUALLY BUDDING THE BUILDING HERE RATHER THAN GOING ALONG THE DRIVEWAY.

YES, SIR.

WILL BE PLANTED WITH LONG GRASS, A GREEN AREA, MAYBE SOME LANDSCAPING, UH, BUT, UH, THEN THERE'S AN EXISTING PORTICO ON THE REAR, UH, AND SOME STEPS TO THAT.

SO LESS FENCING THAN BEFORE.

UM, OKAY.

SO BACK DOWN TO THE PLAN.

AND SO THIS SHOWS THEN THAT, UH, THE TWO HPAC PADS WILL REMAIN, UM, UH, AND THIS ONE, THIS SECOND ONE, I SUPPOSE, THAT WAS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE STEPS.

THE HPAC UNIT WILL STAY THERE.

THE STEPS WILL BE GONE AND ESSENTIALLY THE CONCRETE STEPS LEADING UP TO THAT LANDING WOULD REMAIN AS WELL, BUT THAT WOULD JUST BE AN HPAC UNIT THERE.

UH, THE AREA BELOW THE, UH, STAIRWAY

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NOW, UM, THIS PLAN DOES NOT INDICATE ANY GATES ON IT.

SO ARE YOU INTENDING TO HAVE GATES OR IS THIS JUST AN EXIT OUT TO THE GREEN AREA? AND THEN YOU, YOU HAVE TO GO BACK IN THE HOUSE.

THE INTENT IS TO PUT A GATE, UM, TO ALLOW, UM, ENTRANCE FOR ANY MAINTENANCE ON THE, THE HVAC OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

JUST A SINGLE, UH, SINGLE SWING GATE, TWO GATES THEN? UH, NO, SIR, JUST, JUST THE SINGLE SWING GATE TO GET INTO WHERE THE HVAC IS, THAT, THAT WHERE HE SHOWS THE EXISTING, UH, PATIO, THERE'S A DOOR OUT OF THE BACK OF THE HOUSE THAT WOULD PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE GREEN SPACE THERE.

AND SO WILL THE GATE BE ALONG THE ALLEY OR ALONG THE BACK PARKING? WE, WE WERE CONCERTED DRIVE AWAY OR, YEAH, WE PLAN TO PUT IT ALONGSIDE THE DRIVEWAY, JUST FOR PROXIMITY TO THE, UH, TO THOSE, UH, UNITS THERE, IF THEY NEED MAINTENANCE.

UM, I WOULD ONLY SUGGEST THAT WE JUST GET A REVISED DRAWING OF THIS TO SHOW THE GATE.

AND THEN, UM, IS THE GATE GOING TO BE EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE FENCE IN THAT IT'S JUST A, BASICALLY A HINGE PORTION OF THE FENCING, CORRECT? YEP.

IT WILL LOOK IDENTICAL TO THE, ALMOST LIKE A HIDDEN GATE, 48, 48 INCH PANELS.

IT, IS IT CORRECT THAT THE YOU'RE NOT EXTENDING THE FENCE IN THE FRONT ALL THE WAY BACK? THAT'S CORRECT.

ONLY THAT'S HOW WE LOOK, WE CONSIDER DOING THAT, BUT BASED ON THE DISTANCE FROM THE HOUSE, ANYTHING THAT WOULD GROW IN THERE WOULD JUST, IT WOULD BE HARD TO GET OUT TO, TO KEEP IT LOOKING PRESENTABLE AND, UM, AND THIS WAY IT'LL, UH, IT'LL STILL MATCH THE EXISTING FENCE, BUT, UH, BUT YOU'LL SEE, YOU'LL SEE THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE AND THE PLANTS THAT ARE THERE NOW.

SO I THINK IT'LL, FROM THE WAY IT LOOKS, I THINK IT WILL LOOK BETTER.

YUP.

IS THAT IT, MATT? UH, WELL, WE GET, SORRY.

UH, WE DO HAVE OUR ZONING AND INSPECTIONS FORM HERE AND REPORT.

UM, AND HERE, I GUESS I DID NOT PROVIDE THE, UM, WELL, I CAN TELL YOU, UH, THAT THE ZONING, UM, ADMINISTRATOR HAD SAID THAT IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE.

UM, BUT I'M NOT QUITE SURE IF THE BUILDING INSPECTOR HAS SAID THAT IT WILL OR WILL NOT REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.

SO, UM, UH, ONE OR THE OTHER, BUT I GUESS WE'LL HAVE TO CHECK WITH THEM.

ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

AND THAT'S IT.

THEN WE'RE READY WITH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.

SORRY.

I DO HAVE IT ON THE COMPUTER IF YOU REALLY NEED THAT.

IN FACT, ACTUALLY, WHY DON'T WE JUST GO AHEAD AND DO THAT? NOPE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED WHEN WE GET EMOTION, WE CAN MAKE IT CONTINGENT ON SOME FEELING ALL ON THAT WAY.

THEY'VE DONE POINT.

DO YOU WANT TO MAKE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? I DON'T KNOW, SIR.

I DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

IS THERE ANYONE IN OPPOSITION TO THIS PLAN THAT WANTS TO SPEAK? OKAY.

UH, OKAY.

READY FOR MATT'S FINDINGS.

SIDING ON THE SECOND STORY REAR SIDE WALL TO COVER THE DOORWAY OPENING AND EXTENSION OF THE WOOD FENCING FROM ALONG FROM ALONG THE SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY, ALL OF THIS IN THE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY ABCS, UH, STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES ARE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR FENCES AND GARDEN WALLS.

UH, ALRIGHT.

SO, UM, THESE WERE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS HERE FOR, UH, MIKE AND ELENA UBER AT 2 0 7 POLLOCK STREET.

THIS IS HISTORICALLY KNOWN AS THE JAMES M. HOWARD HOUSE TO CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY DESCRIPTION, IT WAS BUILT 1892 STORIES, L PLAN FIVE BAYS WIDE OCTAGONAL TOWER WITH PER MIDDLE ROOF, WRAPAROUND PORCH, BRACKETED, CORNICES, GABLE GROUPS, CONTAINING PATTERN SHINGLES AND INTERIOR CHIMNEYS.

UH, NOTHING MENTIONED ABOUT, UH, THE REAR PORTION OF THE HOUSE IN SAN BECK, ACTUALLY.

UH, AND SO THE PROJECT FOR 2 0 7 PELVIC STREET IS TO INCLUDE REMOVAL OF AN EXISTING WOOD EXTERIOR STAIRWAY, AN EXISTING SECOND FLOOR, EXTERIOR DOORWAY, REPLACING WOOD

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2.5 0.1 2.5 0.3 FROM APPLICATIONS 3.2 0.1 3.2 0.4, WALLS TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION 4.2 0.1 WINDOWS DOORS AND OPENINGS, 4.3 0.1 WOOD 5.2 0.1 AND 5.2 0.2 PAINT 5.4 0.2 5.4 0.3 AND 5.4 0.4.

THE STATEMENTS, A REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION IN STAFF'S JUDGMENT ARE ONE.

THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IN ALL ABCS, OF COURSE.

SO JUST SKIP THAT IN ALL ABCS PART TWO, THE PROPOSAL IS MODIFICATION IN FENCING, PROJECT THREE, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES FOR THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.

AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL REALLY HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY FIVE.

THAT APPLICATION IS NOT IN CONGRUENCE WITH THE GUIDELINES.

UH, SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COMMISSION APPROVE THIS APPLICATION TO INCLUDE REMOVAL OF AN EXISTING WOOD, EXTERIOR STAIRWAY, AND EXISTING SECOND FLOOR EXTERIOR DOORWAY, REPLACING WOOD SIDING ON SECOND STORY REAR SIDEWALL TO COVER THE DOORWAY OPENING AND EXTENSION OF THE WOOD FENCING FROM ALONG THE SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY, ALL THIS AND THE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY ABCS.

THAT'S IT.

I SEE NO ONE FROM THE CITY STATE OR OTHER GOVERNMENTS BY THE HERE.

SO WE HAVE NO COMMENTS FROM THOSE FOLKS.

UM, ANY FINAL, ANY FINAL THOUGHTS YOU DON'T HAVE TO? NO, SIR.

DISCUSSION QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD.

I CAN ADD THAT.

I DID FIND THE ACTUAL HARD COPY OF THE REPORT AND IT, UH, THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR SAYS IT WILL NOT REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.

SO WE'RE GOOD TO GO THERE.

I THINK WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION THEN.

CONDITION OF APPLICATION, IS IT JUST SUPPLY THAT TO STAFF? SO THERE'S A SECONDARY, OH, SORRY.

SO I MOVED TO FIND APPLICATION FOR SEVEN.

OH NO, THAT'S NOT RIGHT.

2 0 7 PAULETTE STREET TO BE NOT IN CONGRUENCE WITH NEWBORNS CODE OF ORDINANCES, CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTIONS 15.411 DASH 15.4 TO NINE AND NEWBORNS HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT, THANK YOU, MAX FENCES, 2.5 0.1 AND THREE MODIFICATIONS, 3.2, ONE AND FOUR WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION 4.2 0.1 WINDOWS AND DOOR OPENINGS, 4.3 0.1 WOOD 5.21 AND TWO PAINT 5.4, TWO, THREE AND FOUR.

AND SO THE FINDINGS OF FACTS ARE THAT THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE TIGHTLIPPED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

THE PROPOSAL IS A MODIFICATION AND FENCING PROJECT, PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS, MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, AND THE CHIEF BILL BUILDING OFFICIAL.

HAVING BACK REVIEWED THIS PRODUCT COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY, AND THE APPLICATION IS NOT INCOME GROSS WITH THE GUIDELINES.

WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND MOVED AND SECONDED ALL IN FAVOR STATE.

AYE, AYE.

ANY OPPOSED HEARING NONE MOTION TO ISSUE A CON MR. ACTING CHAIR, JUST SO THAT THE RECORD IS ABUNDANTLY CLEAR.

THERE WAS MENTIONED IN THE TESTIMONY AND THE PRESENTATION BY STAFF ABOUT A GATE.

UM, THERE WAS NOT A DEPICTION OF THE GATE IN THE PACKAGE, UH, UNDERSTAND THE APPLICANT HAS, I GUESS, MODIFIED HIS APPLICATION HERE TODAY TO INCLUDE A GATE THAT WOULD COVER WHERE THE UTILITY MACHINERY IS LOCATED.

UM, YOU MAY WANT TO CONTINUE CONSIDER A CONDITION RELATED TO THE GATE, UM, GIVING THE PRESENTATION TO THEM.

I IN, SHOULD I MOVE MY MOTION OR JUST ADD IT TO MY EMOTION? I THINK YOU CAN, YOU CAN ADD IT AS A CONDITION SINCE C MODIFICATION IS A PART OF THE APPLICATION PRESENTED TONIGHT.

RIGHT? SO IF THE APPLICANT WILL PROVIDE STAFF WITH A DRAWING OR AN INDICATION OF WHERE THE GATE, THE HIDDEN GATE IS GOING TO BE, THAT WILL MATCH THE REST OF THE GAME IN KIND, UH, IF YOU WILL MAKE THAT A CONDITION OF AFRICA, A

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ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION AND AMENDMENT SAY DIE, POSED HEARING NONE, UH, NEED A MOTION TO, UH, ISSUE WITH YOU A SECOND TO ISSUE A COA.

THANK YOU FOR TAKING CARE OF THAT PROPERTY.

UH, NEXT IS TWO 16 JOHNSON STREET.

[3.C. 216 Johnson St. – to include adding to the top of the existing retaining wall a decorative metal fence and gates in all AVCs. ]

TWO 16 JOHNSON.

THIS IS THE APPLICATION FOR, UH, TWO 16 JOHNSON STREET.

UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS TOM DECKER AND THE APPLICANT IS CURTIS CRIMINAL.

UH, THIS FOR, UH, AN APPLICATION FOR IRON FENCING, UH, ADDITION TO AN EXISTING BRICK WALL.

AND YOU CAN SEE THERE'S REFERENCE TO THE ATTACHED MATERIALS, UM, AND THEY'VE SIGNED AND DATED THE APPLICATION.

AND THIS IS THE, UM, OWNERS AUTHORIZATION FOR, UH, MR. CURTIS CRIMINAL TO REPRESENT THE OWNER.

UH, AND THIS IS SIGNED AND DATED.

IS WHAT YOU SAID, CORRECT.

FOR MRS. COURTNEY TO, TO REPRESENT THE OWNER? I BELIEVE IT SAYS IN IT IS REPRESENTING.

UM, SO I DID NOT NOTICE THIS, UM, DONNY CORNING, I BELIEVE IS THE REALTOR.

SHE'S NOT THE OWNER.

SO THE OWNER TO YOU, DO YOU HAVE LEGAL REPRESENT AUTHORIZATION TO REPRESENT THE OWNER CURRENT OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, MR. DECKER? WELL, UM, IT'S SIGNED BY MR. KRUMMEL.

THERE'S A NOTE ON HERE.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE THAT UNDERNEATH, WHERE IT SAYS CURRENT OWNER'S CONSENT SUPPLIED TO THE CITY ON 3 30, 22 CW.

UM, SO THERE'S ANOTHER FORM THAT SHOWS THAT WELL, AN EMAIL, I BELIEVE AN EMAIL.

SO I VAGUELY REMEMBER THAT.

UM, I MAY HAVE THAT ACTUALLY IN THE FILE.

LET ME JUST CHECK THAT AGAIN.

SO THIS IS TWO 16 OKAY.

DO NOT HAVE THAT IN THAT PARTICULAR FOLDER, I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK ALL MY EMAILS ON THE 30, 30 DATE WAS, I GUESS WE NEED TO DO THAT.

YOU HAVE SEEN IT.

I VAGUELY REMEMBER THAT.

I CANNOT SWEAR TO THAT.

SO, UM, UH, AND THAT WAS SENT BY YOU, MS. UH, MS. DOTTIE? YES.

QUALIFY AS AUTHORIZATION FOR THEM TO SPEAK ABOUT THE PROPERTY? SO FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE RECORD, THERE IS A, UM, SOME TEXT BELOW THE PORTION THAT STAFF JUST READ ON WEDNESDAY, MARCH 30TH, 2022 AT, OR ABOUT 8:53 AM.

SORRY, WHAT WAS THE DATE ON THAT AGAIN? 23RD OF THREE 30.

SO, OH, FORWARD LETTER, ACKNOWLEDGING THE APPLICATION HERE WE ARE.

UM, YOU CAN SEE AT THE BOTTOM HERE, UH, GLENDA DECKER, UH, DATED MARCH 30TH, 2022 TO, UM, DOTTIE CORNING, TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN CITY OF NEW BERN.

AND SEE, WE ARE AWARE THAT THE CRIMINALS WHO HAVE A CONTRACT TO PURCHASE OUR HOUSE AT TWO 16 JOHNSON STREET ARE APPLYING FOR A FENCE ADDITION TO THE PROPERTY.

SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW, DOES THAT

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IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S AN EMAIL WHERE, UM, MS. DOTTIE SAYS, CAN YOU PLEASE SEND ME AN EMAIL, WHICH I WILL FORWARD TO THE CITY OF NEW BERN STATING THAT YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE CRIMINALS ARE APPLYING FOR A FENCE EDITION, SOMETHING SORT OF SOMETHING SHORT AND SIMPLE WE'LL DO.

THANKS.

AND THE RESPONSE TO THAT INQUIRY, WHERE IT APPEARS THAT MS. DOTTIE HAS ASKED FOR AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT IS THE TEXT THAT, UM, MR. SHELLEY JUST READ.

SO I THINK READING THOSE TWO TOGETHER, YOU CAN DRAW THE INFERENCE THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE AWARE AND CONSENT TO.

UM, THE APPLICATION GOING FORWARD.

GENERALLY WE REQUIRE A SIGN TO NOTARIZE THE DOCUMENT, UM, JUST SO THAT WE HAVE VERY GOOD VERIFICATION THAT EVERYBODY INVOLVED KNOWS WHAT'S HAPPENING.

BUT IF YOU ALL ARE SATISFIED THAT YOU CAN READ THOSE TWO EMAILS TOGETHER TO DEDUCE THAT THE OWNERS ARE AWARE AND DO CONSENT, UM, THEN YOU CAN MAKE THE DECISION TO MOVE FORWARD.

I DON'T KNOW IF MR. DECKER OR MRS. DECORA PRESIDENT OF IN THE CITY HALL COURTROOM TODAY.

BUT THE BEST EVIDENCE YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS READING THOSE TWO EMAILS TOGETHER.

DOES ANYONE EVER CONCERNED ABOUT THAT? MY ONLY CONCERN, I DO NOT RECALL THAT THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS TO PUT IRON FENCE ON TOP OF A BRIDGE.

PEGGY, PEGGY, THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION.

THE QUESTION IS, ARE YOU SATISFIED THAT, UM, THAT MR. CRIMINAL, UM, IS AUTHORIZED, UM, TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THIS APPLICATION AND WE'LL HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.

WE'LL GET TO YOUR QUESTION LATER.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A CONCERN? I DON'T HAVE A DISCERN FOR SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE OWNERS.

UM, BUT THAT CAN BE SOLVED LIVE.

THERE'S A DENIM TO THAT CONTRACT FOR THE PURCHASE OF THAT HOUSE.

WAS IT CORRECT? IT'S CLOSING TOMORROW.

AND DO THEY HAVE, IS THERE THEN THEM TO THE CONTRACT MENTIONING OR THE DDR AND MENTIONING YOU BUY THESE THINGS? UM, THE, OH, I'M SORRY.

THERE'S MORE PEOPLE THAT COME, YOU KNOW, GO GET THEM.

CHRISTIAN JUST SHOWED UP TO OR PRINT YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.

MR. ATKINS CHAIR IS, MAY BE APPROPRIATE.

UM, GIVEN THE FACT THAT IT APPEARS THAT THE DECKERS ARE LOCAL, THAT IF THE PROCEEDINGS WERE TO RECESS MOMENTARILY, IT MIGHT GIVE STAFF AN OPPORTUNITY TO CALL THE DECKERS IF WE HAD THAT INFORMATION, JUST SO THAT WE CAN BE FOR CERTAIN, THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND GIVE THEIR CONSENT TO THE AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE, MOVING FORWARD TO SEE I DO HAVE A PHONE NUMBER.

SO IF ANYBODY HAS A CONCERN, IT, DOES ANYBODY HAVE A REAL CONCERN IT'S CLOSING TOMORROW.

THEY ARE AWARE THAT YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE THIS APPLICATION.

HERE'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET AT.

IF IT'S MENTIONED IN THE CONTRACT OR THE HOME ANYWHERE, THEN THAT WILL, THAT WOULD BE THE, UM, SETTING THE FOUNDATION THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY IN THE CONTRACT BETWEEN THE SELLER OF THE HOME.

SO THAT WOULD MEAN THAT BOTH PARTIES WILL BE ALREADY ARE AWARE OF THAT.

AND MS. DATTA CAN JUST GO IN AND REPRESENT THEM.

DADDY'S SAYING, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT IN THE CONTRACT, SO IT'S NOT IN THE CONTRACT.

NO, IT WAS NOT CONDITIONAL.

AND THE CONTRACT IS NOT IN THE RECORD AND IS NOT BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.

SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING NECESSARILY THAT YOU COULD CONSIDER IF THAT INFORMATION WAS BEFORE YOU, MY RECOMMENDATION TO YOU ALL WOULD BE TO, TO RECESS MOMENTARILY, TO GIVE STAFF AN OPPORTUNITY TO REACH DECKERS, TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION IN THE RECORD.

I'LL CALL A SHORT RESEARCH RECESS WHILE WE DO THAT.

ALRIGHT.

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WE BETTER RESUME.

YES, SIR.

IF WE PRESUMED FOR PURPOSES OF THE RECORD, UM, STAFF, MR. SHELLEY CONTACTED, UM, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, TOM DECKER AT 7 0 3 8 9 9 5 3 8 9, AND CONFIRMED WITH HIM BY PHONE, THAT HE IS AWARE OF THE APPLICATION BY MR. CRIMINAL.

AND DOES EX UH, ACKNOWLEDGE THE APPLICATION AND CONSENTS TO MR. CRIMINAL AND OR MS. DOTTIE REPRESENTING THEM IN THIS APPLICATION, IN THE HEARING TONIGHT.

OKAY, GOT IT.

MOVING ON.

UH, SO SKIP OVER THAT, OF COURSE.

SO THIS IS NOW THE, UH, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THEY'VE PROVIDED FOR THE APPLICATION.

UM, THEY HAVE A SUMMARY OF THE PROJECT, UH, AND THEY'VE LISTED ALL THE GUIDELINES THAT ARE APPLICABLE, UH, AND DESCRIPTION OF THE PROPOSAL.

UH, HERE WE HAVE A PHOTO OF THE EXISTING CONDITION AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, AND THEN THE PROPOSED CONDITION.

UM, YOU CAN SEE ADDING A PORTION OF METAL FENCING ON TOP DECORATIVE METAL FENCING ON TOP OF THE BRICK WALLS.

AND THEN FOR THAT GATE, UH, THERE IS A RECESSED OR PUSHED BACK PORTION OF THE FENCE, AND THEN A GATE ACROSS THE TOP OF THE STEPS, UH THAT'S TO ALLOW THE GATE TO SWING OUT OR IN, UM, WITHOUT BUMPING INTO STEPS OR PEDESTRIANS.

UH, THEY'VE PROVIDED SOME EXAMPLES OF OTHER SIMILAR CONDITIONS IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, THIS ONE ON EAST FRONT STREET.

AND, UH, THIS ONE IS NOW JUST AN EXAMPLE OF THE FENCING THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, SHOWING APPROPRIATE WELDS AND GATE HARDWARE BY THE FABRICATORS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO USE.

UM, AND THEN NOW, UH, UM, UM, A HIGHER ANGLE OF THAT SAME CONDITION WITH THE NEW, UH, GATE AND FENCING SHOWN ON HERE ON THE TOP OF THIS WALL.

AND NOW THEY'VE, UH, PROVIDED THE PREVIOUS IMAGE WITH SOME DIMENSIONS HERE.

THIS DIMENSION SAYS 48 INCHES.

I'M GOING TO ZOOM IN SOME MORE BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO READ 48 INCHES OR LESS.

AND ON THE LEFT, UH, THE FENCE IS TO MAINTAIN A CONSISTENT HEIGHT.

WITH, WITH THIS, UH, OKAY.

NEXT ONE, IT'S ALSO SOME, UH, ADDITIONAL DESCRIPTION THERE.

UM, WE CAN GO BACK TO, IF YOU NEED TO, UH, WE HAVE 48 INCHES FOR THE GATE AT THE DRIVEWAY, UM, 40 INCHES TO THE GROUND TO MATCH THE HEIGHT ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY HERE ON THE LEFT.

UM, AND ON THE RIGHT, UH, THE HEIGHTS HAS A STEP DOWN OF EIGHT INCHES, UH, ON THE, UM, SEE THAT'S CRAVING STREET SIDE, CORRECT? YES, YES.

AND THIS IS A DRAWING SHOWING THE FULL EXTENT OF THE FENCING WOULD ESSENTIALLY WRAP THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.

UH, THE, THAT BRICK FENCING, THE BRICK WALL, UH, ALREADY EXTENDS ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PROPERTY TO THAT EXTENT.

UM, AND THEN THE THREE GATES ARE SHOWN HERE IN YELLOW, ONE HERE AT THE FRONT, UH, ENTRY WALK ONE AT THE DRIVEWAY.

AND THEN THE THIRD ONE DID NOT YET MENTION THEY DID NOT HAVE PHOTOS OF THAT, BUT ACROSS THE SIDE OF THE, OR THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, ALL RIGHT, THESE ARE THE DOGS THAT ARE PLANNING ON FENCING, AND WE HAVE OUR ZONING AND INSPECTIONS REVIEW, WHICH IS PROBABLY BLANK, BUT I HAVE IT HERE.

AND WINTER IS, UM, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR SAYS IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE.

AND THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR SAYS IT WILL NOT REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.

UM, ALRIGHT.

AND OTHERWISE, UH, BE READY FOR MY RECOMMEND, WITH MY RECOMMENDATIONS WHEN YOU ARE OKAY.

I FAILED TO ASK THAT ON THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION, BUT AS ANYONE WHO HAS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST

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UH, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO ADD THE OWNER OR THE PROSPECTIVE IT, OKAY.

DO YOU NEED TO COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE TO SPEAK? HE'S NOT SWORN START BY APOLOGIZING FOR THE CONFUSION I WAS OPEN.

WE WOULD HAVE CLOSED BY NOW.

UH, THE PURPOSE IS TO KEEP OUR DOGS ENCLOSED IN THE PROPERTY SO THAT THEY STAY SAFE IN PUBLIC AND NEIGHBORS STAY SAFE.

UM, AND OTHER THAN THAT, UH, WE WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, MEET THE GUIDELINES AND MY WIFE AND I HAVE LIVED IN HISTORIC DISTRICT IN NORTH CAROLINA FOR 24 YEARS.

AND WE'RE PROPONENTS.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE PREDICTIONS THAT GIVES US, SO WE WANTED TO STAY WITHIN THE GUIDELINES BEING MINIMALLY VISIBLE.

SO WHAT WOULD THE IRON IS SAYING IS TO KEEP THE LOWEST PROFILE POSSIBLE WHILE STILL DOING A GOOD JOB.

SO HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED PLAN HEARING? DONE.

UH, READY FOR YOUR FINDINGS? OKAY.

SO THIS IS THE RECOMMENDATIONS, FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS, OR TWO 16 JOHNSON STREET FOR THE APPLICANT CURTIS CRIMINAL.

UM, AND THE STAR PROPERTY NAME IS THE SECOND DR.

WILLIAM L HAN JR.

HOUSE.

UH, IT IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

AND ACCORDING TO THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY DESCRIPTION, IT WAS BUILT IN 1926.

IT IS TWO STORIES, BRICK, FOUR BAYS WIDE WITH RECESS FORTUNE THE LEFT BAY, TALL FLEMISH GABLE ENTRANCE BAY, GAMBREL, ROOF INSET, AND SHED DORMERS.

UH, SANDBOX HAS NO RELEVANT, UH, INFORMATION REGARDING THE GARDEN WALL.

AND SO THE DESCRIPTION OF THE PROJECT FOR TWO 16 JOHNSON STREET IS TO INCLUDE ADDING TO THE TOP OF THE EXISTING RETAINING WALL AND GARDEN WALL, A DECORATIVE METAL FENCE AND GATES IN ALL ABCS.

SO STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES ARE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR FENCES AND GARDEN WALLS.

2.5 0.12 AND THREE FOR MASONRY 5.1 0.1 FOR METAL, 5.3 0.2, THREE, AND FOUR STATEMENTS OF REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION IN STAFF'S JUDGMENT ARE THE PROJECT IS LOCATE FIRST.

THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

SECOND, THE PROPOSAL IS A GARDEN WALL MODIFICATION AND FENCING PROJECT THREE, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES FOR THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.

AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY AND FIVE.

THE APPLICATION IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.

SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COMMISSION APPROVE THIS APPLICATION TO INCLUDE ADDING TO THE TOP OF THE EXISTING RETAINING WALL AND GARDEN WALL, A DECORATIVE METAL FENCE AND GATES IN ALL ABCS.

JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THE FENCE ON TOP OF THE WALL IS, IS ACTUALLY FOUR FEET OR LESS FROM THE GROUND LEVEL INSIDE THE EXISTING WALL.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? NO.

COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS TO MEET THE GUIDELINES, UH, ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL THAT REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.

READY FOR EMOTION.

I MOVED TO FIND THE APPLICATION AMENDMENT 4, 2 16 JOHNSON STREET TO BE NOT IN CONGRUENCE WITH THE HUMAN CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTIONS 15.411 DASH 15.429 AND NUMEROUS HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT, SHE WAS WAITING FOR YOU TO MOVE.

AND IS THIS THE GARDEN WALLS 5.5152.

I'M SORRY.

2.5 0.1 2.5 0.2 2.5 0.3 MASONARY 5.1 0.1 METAL 5.3 0.2 5.3 0.3 5.3 0.4.

AND THE STATEMENTS ARE FINDING THE PROJECT TIGHTENING DEMO PATTERN.

THE PROPOSAL IS A GARDEN WALL MODIFICATION AND FENCING PROJECT, THE PROPOSED DESIGN

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THE APPLICATION IS NOT IN CONGRUENCE WITH THE GUIDELINES.

SECOND MOVED AND SECONDED PROVED THIS SHIP APPLICATION FOR COA ALL PAPER STATE.

I POSED VERY NONE.

WE'VE DONE DEAL MOTION, ISSUE, A SEALANT MOTION TO, UH, ISSUE WITH COA.

WE NEED A, WE NEED A MOTION FOR ALRIGHT.

JOHN WAS QUIET AT THE MOTION.

WHO'S GOT THE SECOND AND THE BOAT.

PAUL, A FAVOR, ALL FAVOR STATE.

SORRY FOR THE CONFUSION.

EVERY ONE CAME OUT

[3.D. 823 Pollock St. – to include installation of a new, 6-foot-high, wood gate for the driveway in the Primary AVC. (Part 1 of 2)]

IN THE WASH READY FOR 8 23 POLLOCK STREET.

UH, THIS IS THE APPLICATION RATE, 23 POLLOCK STREET FOR JOHN AND TANYA PARENT.

UM, AND THEY HAVE ALL THIS INFORMATION HERE AND THEY HAVE SIGNED AND DATED THE APPLICATION.

AND, UH, ONE OF THE TWO IS HERE, I SUPPOSE, THE BARRETT'S HERE.

SO THERE'S NOBODY HERE TO SPEAK THE APPLICATION.

IS THAT A PROBLEM? YES.

HERE, WE HAVE GEORGE ANNA SMITH.

UH, I WOULD SUGGEST WE CONTINUE THIS, THE NEXT MEETING.

I DON'T KNOW.

MAYBE THEY WENT TO THE WRONG BUILDING.

UH, UM, SO CAN WE CONTINUE IT TO THE END OF THE AGENDA IN CASE THEY'RE JUST LATE AND YOU CAN JUST HOLD IT OPEN AND COMMENCE WITH ANOTHER APPLICATION.

[3.E. 411 Broad St. – to include removing the existing rear doorway and one window opening, filling them with brick, the enlargement of another window opening for use as a doorway, installation of a concrete patio, exterior lighting, and fencing, all in the Tertiary AVC. ]

SO THIS IS THE APPLICATION FOR FOUR 11 BROAD STREET.

UH, THE OWNER IS GEORGE ANNA SMITH, AND THE APPLICANT IS CHRIS HOVLAND OR HOPEFULLY, HOW DO YOU SAY IT, SARAH? HOW THE LAND, UH, AND, UH, HERE WE HAVE, UH, UH, A DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF THE WORK AND, UM, THE, UH, DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF THE MATERIALS AND HE SIGNED AND DATED.

AND, UH, SINCE HE'S ACTUALLY THE TENANT, HE HAS THE OWNER'S AUTHORIZATION TO REPRESENT THEM IN THIS APPLICATION.

SO, UM, THIS IS THE SITE PLAN FOR THE PROJECT, AND IT'S BASICALLY THE PROJECT IS OCCURRING IN THIS PATIO AREA SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN.

UH, SO THE BUILDING ITSELF IS SHOWN HERE AS A HATCHED LINE.

UH, AND SO THE PATIO IS THE VACANT SPACE ON THE PROPERTY AND THE BACK, UH, THE FRONT IS A BROAD STREET, UH, AND IMMEDIATELY TO THE, TO THE SIDE IS ANOTHER BRICK BUILDING, UH, WHICH BEGINS TO WRAP AROUND THE THIRD SIDE OF THE PATIO.

AND THERE'S A CONCRETE PAD NEXT TO THAT AS WELL.

SO, AND THEN IMMEDIATELY BEHIND THE PATIO TO THE SOUTH IS, UH, PARKING.

AND SO, UH, THIS IS A LETTER STATING THAT HE WILL WANT TO, UM, BREAK IN THE WINDOWS LIKE THIS, THE WINDOW IN THE DOOR, LIKE THIS, THE EXISTING ONES, WHICH IS THE SAME AS ON THE CHELSEA.

UM, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHY THIS IS HERE, BUT YOU WANT, CAN YOU PLEASE, SORRY.

THAT'S RIGHT.

YEAH, IT WAS JUST TO SHOW THE BACK OF THE CHELSEA, HOW THE CITY HAD COME THROUGH AND BROUGHT THE SIDEWALK ALL THE WAY TO OUR PAD.

SO I WAS USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE FOR OUR LOCATION AT PORT 11.

I DON'T WANT TO BRING THE GATE.

IF I GET APPROVED FOR THIS ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK, IT WILL GO TO THE PARKING LOT.

IT WILL BE RECESSED IN TWO OR THREE FEET FOR TRASH CANS OR ANYTHING, BUT I WANTED TO FINISH IT SO THAT IT ALL LOOKED THE SAME WHEN YOU CLEAN.

MAYBE WE'LL GET TO THAT DETAIL IN A MINUTE.

UH, AND THEN THE FENCING IS NOT THAT ONE, BUT THIS ONE, UH, WHERE IT SHOWS, UH, TWO RAILS ON THE TOP AND ONE ACROSS THE BOTTOM.

SO THE, UH, THIS IS ONE OF THE LIGHT FIXTURES THAT HE'S PROPOSING.

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AND THEN, UH, THE GATES, IT'S THAT ONE THERE AS WELL, COLOR IS BLACK, NOT CHOCOLATE.

UM, THEY'RE SHOWING YOU THE HERE IS 48 INCHES HIGH AND SHOWING SOME OF THE INSTALLATION TO SHOW THAT THE, HOW THE, UM, CONNECTORS ARE CONCEALED.

AND HERE'S SOME MORE DETAILS OF ALL THAT.

UM, NOT EXACTLY THAT ONE.

WE'RE SECOND CHOICE WITH THE SUPPLY CHAIN THAT WE HAVE.

I WASN'T SURE WHICH I WAS GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET.

COULD YOU SPEAK UP A LITTLE BIT CHRISTMAS? THAT WAS MY SECOND CHOICE, BECAUSE I WAS WORRIED ABOUT THE SUPPLY CHAIN.

SO AT THE VERY FIRST ONE IS WHAT I'M GOING TO DO.

OH, I GOT GOTCHA.

UM, SO, UH, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU NEED TO SELECT ONE OR THE OTHER, THE FIRST ONE IS OKAY.

AND THEN IF, IF YOU DECIDE TO CHANGE IT LATER, UM, WE CAN DO AN AMENDMENT TO YOUR, UH, PROPOSAL.

OR AN AMENDMENT TO YOUR APPROVAL.

SORRY.

UM, SO THEN THESE ARE 48 INCH RAILS.

THAT'S THE, THE, THE, OH, THE HEIGHT.

I'M SORRY.

SO YOU HAVE, UM, OH, THIS IS AGAIN THE SECOND CHOICE.

AND THEN THIS WAS BASICALLY THE SKETCH, AND THEN HE PROVIDED, GIVE US AN IDEA OF THE ACTUAL SPACE ITSELF.

UM, AND SO TO EXPLAIN HERE, UH, YOU CAN SEE THE FENCING IS TO BE RIGHT ALONG THE BACK EDGE OF THE GRASSY AREA OF THE GATE, SMACK DAB IN THE MIDDLE, UM, AND THE ENTIRE BACK YARD.

SO TO SAY WILL BE PAVED IN CONCRETE.

UH, AND THEN THE RED DOOR AND THE RED WINDOW WOULD BE BRICKED IN, UH, CLOSED AND THE BLACK OVER HERE ON THE LEFT.

UM, UH, PROBABLY SEE, LET ME EVEN ZOOM IN THE CASE, IT'S A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT.

UM, THERE IS WINDOW THERE AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO ENLARGE THE WINDOW, UM, TO CREATE A NEW DOOR.

SO THE DOORS ON THE LEFT RATHER THAN IN THE MIDDLE.

UH, ALL RIGHT.

AND THEN THE, OH, IT SHOWS THE LIGHT ABOVE THE CENTER, UH, WHERE THE DOOR USED TO BE, OR WILL HAVE, WILL BECOME THE PLACE WHERE IT USED TO BE.

SO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND THEN, UH, THEY PROVIDED SOME, UH, SMALLER SOME OF THE DETAILS FOR THE DOOR CONSTRUCTION IN THE WINDOW.

SO THE DOOR THEY'RE PROPOSING, UH, WOULD HAVE A THREE INCH WIDE GLASS SLOT.

AND OTHERWISE IT'S FLAT PANEL, UH, SOME MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE DOOR, BUT AGAIN, POINTING TO THAT SIMILAR KIND OF DETAIL, THERE'S SOME SPECIFICATIONS HERE ABOUT BEING 18 GAUGE, ET CETERA.

AND THEN, UH, THIS IS NOW OUR ZONING AND INSPECTIONS REVIEW, WHICH AGAIN, SOMEHOW ALL GOT LIKE, SO UM, THE, UH, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR STATES THAT IT DOES MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE.

AND THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR SAYS IT WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT, A BUILDING AND ELECTRIC PERMITS.

OTHER THAN THAT, I'M READY TOO WITH MY RECOMMENDATIONS.

ARE THERE ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST WITH THIS PROJECT IN NOVEMBER, THE BOARD, VERY NUN, UH, READY FOR DISCUSSION? A COUPLE OF POINTS YOU HAVE JUST ONE LIGHT BACK THERE.

UH, TWO LIGHTS.

YOU SHOW ONE OVER THE DOOR.

YEAH, I THINK I'M GONNA, WHAT AM I TRYING TO SAY? UH, PUT TWO BACK THERE, ONE OVER THE DOOR AND OFFSET THE OTHER ONE TO THE OTHER SIDE FOR SECURITY, BUT BOTH ON THAT, ON THAT WALL? YES.

GRASSY AREA, YOU'RE GOING TO CARRY THAT OUT THROUGH THE CURB.

THE DRAWING JUST SHOWS ONE, BUT, OKAY.

UM, THERE'S A DRAIN PIPE ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE OF THAT WALL, THAT TERMINATES RIGHT NOW IN THE MIDDLE OF THE

[00:50:01]

SO THAT OTHER PICTURE WAS TO SHOW US HOW THAT'S GOING TO LOOK.

OH, ACTUALLY THAT DREAM RIGHT NOW, UM, DOES NOT GO TO ANYTHING BUT THE YARD.

SO IT, IT WILL JERRY FROM JJ DIGGING, UH, WHO DOES, UH, HE WILL DO THE CON THE, FOR THE CONCRETE.

UM, BUT HE SAID THAT HE WOULD HAVE EVERYTHING, UH, THE DRAIN LINE RUN THROUGH THE BACK, UM, FIX THE ONE CURB THAT'S THERE TO THE LEFT TO MATCH SO THAT IT'S ALREADY BROKEN UP.

SO WE'LL FIX AND REPAIR THAT, BUT THAT, THAT WAY HE COULD RUN THAT DRAIN LINE TO THE RIGHT.

UH, OTHER QUESTIONS FOLKS.

LET'S GO HOME.

I'M SORRY.

IS THERE ANY, ANYONE IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT? NO.

OKAY, GOOD.

I'M READY FOR A MOTION.

ONE QUESTION.

DO YOU PLAN TO USE THIS AT NIGHT AS WELL AS DAY? YES MA'AM.

AND DO YOU THINK TWO LIGHTS WILL BE SUFFICIENT FOR LIGHT YEARS? YEAH.

I'M GOING TO HAVE TWO SWITCHES.

SO ONE WILL BE, UM, FOR SERVICE DURING REGULAR SERVICE.

ONE WHEN WE'RE OPEN AND THE SECOND WOULD BE TO TURN IT ON FOR SECURITY AND NIGHTTIME WHEN I'M CLOSING UP.

YES, MA'AM AND THERE, THERE IS LIGHTING OUT IN THE PARKING LOT.

ALSO THERE'S A, THERE'S OVERHEAD LIGHTING IN THE PARKING LOT, SO GOOD.

IS YOUR JASON PROPERTY UNIT RIGHT THERE? OKAY.

I, I THINK WE'RE READY TO HEAR THEN YOUR, YOUR RECOMMENDATION.

THAT CONCLUDES MY RECOMMENDATION QUESTION.

SO THIS, THESE ARE THE FINDINGS RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE PROJECT AT FOUR 11 BROAD STREET FOR MR. CHRIS HOVLAND.

UH, THE HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME IS FOUR 11 TO FOUR 13 BROAD STREETS STORES CONTRIBUTING.

IT IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY DESCRIPTION FOR IT IS IT IS BUILT IN CIRCA 19 25, 1 STORY BRICK TWIN STORES WITH DIAMOND PATTERN DESIGNS ABOVE STOREFRONTS, STEPPED PARAPETS AND FLAT ROOF.

AND THAT THE TWIN STORES IS BECAUSE IT'S ACTUALLY TWO STORES IN THE SAME BUILDING.

UH, AND MR. HOVLAND IS, UH, LOOKING TO USE JUST FOR 11.

SO A SANDBANK ALSO HAS NOTHING RELEVANT TO THE REAR WALL OR THAT PATIO SPACE.

UH, AND SO THE DESCRIPTION FOR THE PROJECT IS FOUR 11 BROAD STREET IS TO INCLUDE REMOVING THE EXISTING REAR DOORWAY AND ONE WINDOW OPENING, FILLING THEM WITH BRICK, THE ENLARGEMENT OF ANOTHER WINDOW, OPENING FOR USE AS A DOORWAY INSTALLATION OF A CONCRETE PATIO, EXTERIOR LIGHTING, AND FENCING ALL IN THE TERTIARY, ABC.

SO STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES ARE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR UTILITIES, 2.3 0.6 FENCES AND GARDEN WALLS, 2.5 0.1 2.5 0.3 MODIFICATIONS 3.2 0.1 3.2 0.2 FOUNDATIONS, 4.1 0.2 BALLS TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION 4.2 0.1 WINDOWS DOORS AND OPENINGS.

4.3 0.1 4.3 0.2 FOR MASONRY 5.1 0.1 5.1 0.2 FOR METAL, 5.3 0.3 5.3 0.4, PAINT 5.4 0.2 5.4 0.3 AND 5.4 0.4.

SO THE STATEMENTS ARE REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION IN STEPS OF JUDGMENT ARE ONE.

THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE DENSE FABRIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN TO THE PROPOSAL IS A REAR WALL MODIFICATION, PATIO AND FENCE PROJECT THREE.

THE REFERENCE TO THE FOUNDATION GUIDELINES, UH, THAT I JUST MENTIONED IS TO INCLUDE THE GUIDELINE FOR REASSESSING THE INFILL AREAS FOR THE EXISTING DOOR AND WINDOW OPENINGS FOR THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS, MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES, FIVE, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY AND SIX.

THE APPLICATION IS NOT IN CONGRUENCE WITH THE GUIDELINES.

SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COMMISSION APPROVE THIS APPLICATION TO INCLUDE REMOVING THE EXISTING REAR DOORWAY AND ONE WINDOW OPENING, FILLING THEM WITH BRICK, THE ENLARGEMENT OF ANOTHER WINDOW, OPENING FOR USE AS A DOORWAY INSTALLATION OF A CONCRETE PATIO, EXTERIOR LIGHTING, AND FENCING ALL IN THE TERTIARY.

ABC.

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I HAVE A QUESTION.

ARE YOU PAINTING ANYTHING? DO YOU WANT TO PULL THAT PICTURE BACK UP? IT WOULD SHOW MY BEAUTIFUL FENCE AND ALL THAT.

THE BUILDING OF JETS TO THE LEFT WITH THE CHIMNEY IS ALREADY PAINTED WHITE.

WELL, IT'S WHITE WITH BLUE LIGHT BLUE POWDER CHIN TRIM THAT THEY STARTED TO PAINT.

SO I NEED, I DO NEED TO BRING IT BACK TO THAT, THAT LIGHTER COLOR.

SO I WILL NEED TO PAINT THAT W THE WALL THAT'S ALREADY PAINTED ON THE LEFT.

WHICH IS LIKE A LITTLE ADDITION TO THE BACK OF THAT.

IF YOU GO TO THE I'M SURE.

THE ACTUAL PROPERTY, UM, THE CHIMNEY, THE CHIMNEY WILL STAY THAT JUST THE WALL THAT'S ALREADY BEEN PAINTED WITH TWO COLORS.

AND THEN YOU WANT TO ADD, UH, IF YOU, UM, APPROVE THE APPLICATION, WANT TO ADD THE APPROPRIATE GUIDELINES FOR PAINT.

THAT'S WHERE YOU HAD PAINT GUIDELINES IN IT AND NOT PAINT.

THAT'S WHAT MADE ME, WELL, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT PAINTING THE FENCE, BUT THAT'S IS ALREADY THE BLACK FENCE ALREADY, I GUESS.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT PAINT.

I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE THE PINK OKAY.

BUT IT'S AN EXISTING MASONARY WALL ALREADY PAINTED AND YOU'RE JUST GONNA REPAINT IT.

IT'S A CINDER BLOCK BUILDING.

SO WE'RE GOING TO FIVE OR NINE QUEEN.

AND THEN ON THE LEFT.

YOUR QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YOU HAVE ANY FINAL COMMENTS? OKAY.

I THINK WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION.

I'M GOING TO FIND THE APPLICATION FOR, UH, AN AMENDMENT 4, 4 11 BROAD STREET TO BE NOT FOR GROUPS WITH NEWBORNS CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTIONS, 15.4 11 DASH 15.4 29 AND NEWBORN HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES PLACED ON THE FOLLOWING GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT GUIDELINES BEING UTILITIES.

2.3 0.6, FENCES AND GARDEN WALLS.

2.5 0.1 2.5 0.3 MODIFICATIONS 3.2 0.1 3.2 0.2 FOUNDATIONS 4.1 0.2 WALLS TURNS ONE, IMITATION 4.2 0.1.

IF YOU MOVED THAT UP, PLEASE.

WINDOWS DOORS AND OPENINGS.

4.3 0.1 4.3 0.2 MASONRY 5.1 0.1 5.1 0.2 METAL 5.3 0.3 5.3 0.4.

PAINT 5.2.

CORRECTION POT 5.4 0.2 5.4 0.3 5.4 0.4 POST PROJECTS IN THE TERTIARY AREA OF VISUAL CONCERN, UM, SEGMENTS OR REASON THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE DENSE FABRIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

THE PROPOSAL IS IN THE REAR WALL MODIFICATION, PATIO AND FENCE PROJECT REFERENCE.

NUMBER THREE, REFERENCES TO THE FOUNDATION GUIDELINES IS TO INCLUDE A GUIDELINE FOR ASSESSING THE INFILL AREAS FOR THE EXISTING DOOR AND WINDOW OPENINGS.

NUMBER FOUR, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES.

NUMBER FIVE, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENT COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.

AND NUMBER SIX APPLICATION IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES ARE GOOD.

IS THERE A SECOND MOVED AND SECONDED ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, OPPOSED HEARING NONE APPROVED.

NEED A TO ISSUE THE COA SECONDED.

TONY SECONDED THAT MOVED ALL FAVOR STATE.

I POSED NONE.

GOOD.

WHO DID THAT? WHO DID THE SECOND ON THE FIRST MOTION CANVAS.

I GUESS WE STILL DON'T HAVE, UH, 8 23 POLLOCK,

[3.F. 509 Queen St. – to include the construction of a two-story infill house. ]

[01:00:03]

IS NOW, YOU KNOW, IS A WINDOWS FOR THE UPPER SECOND FLOOR FOR THE BEDROOMS UP THERE.

UH, SO THIS IS THE APPLICATION FOR FIVE AND NINE QUEEN STREET.

THE OWNERS ARE THOMAS AND SUSAN VIA AND OR AARON, AND THE APPLICANT IS GO ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN SARAH UP A BUCK.

UH, AND WE CAN SEE, WE HAVE THE DESCRIPTION, THE GUIDELINES OF DESCRIPTION OF THE WORK, THE GUIDELINES, AND THE DESCRIPTION, THE MATERIALS WE HAVE, ALL THE VARIOUS ITEMS CHECKED OFF AND IT IS SIGNED BY SARAH OFF LUBBOCK AND DATED.

AND SO THAT MEANS WE HAVE HERE NOW, AN OWNER'S AUTHORIZATION FOR SARAH TO REPRESENT THE OWNERS.

UM, HOWEVER, I BELIEVE THE OWNERS ARE HERE.

SO EXCELLENT.

SO HERE WE HAVE, THE FIRST PAGE OF THE DRAWINGS, UH, GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE HOUSE THAT IS TO BE CONSTRUCTED ON THIS LOT.

HERE ARE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE LOT IN THE UPPER LEFT.

UM, IT'S A VACANT LOT WITH, UH, PAVING, UM, UH, THROUGHOUT THE SURFACE OF A LOT.

AND THEN IT IS SURROUNDED BY A BRICK LATTICE WALL.

AND YOU CAN SEE IN VARIOUS OF THE, UH, VARIOUS OF THE PHOTOS AT THE TOP, UM, AND THEN SOME, UH, PHOTOS OF THE CONTEXT ALONG THE STREETSCAPE, UM, IN THE LOWER LEFT CORNER, UH, IT'S WHERE MY LITTLE POINTER HAND IS HERE, UH, BEHIND THESE TREES ON THE RIGHT, BUT YOU SEE SOME OF THE OTHER HOUSES AND BUILDINGS SURROUNDING AND THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE, AGAIN, THE PROPERTY, UH, SUBJECT PROPERTY IS BEHIND THE YELLOW HOUSE.

UM, AND ALSO TO NOTE HERE IS THE VARYING SETBACKS.

THIS, UM, YELLOW HOUSE IS CLOSER TO THE STREET THAN THIS ONE ON THE RIGHT IS, UH, FARTHER BACK WITHOUT SUBSTANTIAL FRONT YARD FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND THEN, UH, SOME MORE CONTEXT, UM, HOMES, UH, FARTHER, UM, WEST ON QUEEN STREET.

SO HERE IS A SITE MAP WITH A NEIGHBORHOOD CONTEXT HERE SHOWING ALL THE OTHER VARIOUS HOMES AND THEIR PROPERTY LINES.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS THIS GRAY AND WHITE ONE IN THE MIDDLE OR IN THE UPPER RIGHT OF THE IMAGE AT THE MOMENT.

AND, UH, QUEEN STREETS ALONG THE TOP OF THE ANGLE AND ON THE RIGHT IS HANCOCK STREET.

UM, AND TO NOTE HERE IS HOW THE HO HOW THE HOUSE IS ORIENTED COMPARED TO THE STREET.

UM, HOWEVER, IT'S PARALLEL TO, IT'S A LOT LINES, UH, ALSO TO NOTE IS THAT THE DRIVEWAY IS ON THE UPPER RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE, UH, PROPERTY OF THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

UM, AND, AND WE'LL SEE IN A MINUTE THAT, UH, THE PARKING IS IN A CARPORT OF SORTS.

UM, THE DASHED LINE IS THE, UM, BUILDING ENVELOPE, UH, FOR THE PROPERTY.

SO A LITTLE BIT TRICKY ON THE SETBACKS THERE.

UM, SO HERE'S SOME OTHER CONTEXT SHOTS, UH, FOR OTHER HOMES, UH, IN PARTICULAR, ACTUALLY THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR FIVE 14 CRAVEN STREET, WHICH IS HERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS DRAWING IT'S, UH, ON, UM, IT IS A HOUSE THAT'S ALSO SITUATED AT AN ANGLE SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT'S PROPOSED.

SO THIS IS THE FIRST FLOOR PLAN.

UH, SO AS I MENTIONED, THIS IS THE CARPORT NOW ON THE TOP EDGE HERE WITH THE CAR PARK THERE, A CONCRETE PAD, AND THEN THE ENTRY WAY IS, UM, A COVERED PORCH WITH WRAPAROUND, UH, BRICK, MASONRY STEPS.

UM, AND WE'LL SEE IN A MINUTE, BUT, UH, IN THE ELEVATION, BUT HERE YOU CAN SEE THE FOUR CALL SQUARE COLUMNS ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND THEN A FIFTH ONE AT THE BACK CORNER OF THE CARPORT.

UM, THE OTHER, UH, ELEMENT TO POINT OUT HERE IS THE COVERED PORCH ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE IS ACTUALLY RECESSED INTO THE BODY OF THE HOUSE.

UH, AND SO THE ROOF OF THE HOUSE WOULD COVER THAT PORCH.

UM, AND THERE'S, UH, BRICKS, UH, LIT, UH, BRICK STEPS ALONG THE LENGTH OF THAT PORCH.

SO THIS IS AN A SECOND CHOSE, THE SECOND FLOOR PLAN.

SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S ONLY A PORTION OF THE ENTIRE, UH, FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE, UM, FOR TWO BEDROOMS IN THE BACK.

SO HERE AGAIN, NOW WE SEE THE FRONT ELEVATION AGAIN, AND THE, THE DORMER THEN

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AND THEN, UH, NOW THIS SIDE IS THE SIDE THAT HAS THE CARPORT AND THE COVERED PORCH.

AND WE HAVE A GABLE, YOU KNOW, A PAIR OF GABLES AND FOR THE FRONT PORTION OF THE HOUSE AND THE REAR PORTION OF THE HOUSE IS A SINGLE STORY HIT WITH A HIP ROOF ON IT.

THE SIDING IS, UH, FOR THE UPPER PORTION IS, UM, A BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING.

AND THEN, UH, FOR THE LOWER PORTION, THEN IT'S HORIZONTAL, UH, SIDING THE HARDY BOARD SIDING.

AND THEN OUR LAST SHEET HERE IS THEN THE OTHER TWO REMAINING ELEVATIONS.

THIS IS THE REAR ELEVATION, UH, AND, UH, YOU CAN SEE THE CAR PORT ON THE RIGHT, THE BACK OF THE CAR PORT, ESSENTIALLY THE SECOND STORY, UM, ADDITION, UH, SECOND STORY ROOF, THE ROOF FOR THE SECOND STORY, UM, IN THE BACKGROUND BASICALLY, AND ACTUALLY THIS, UH, ONE STORY PORTION POPS, UM, UH, FARTHER OUT, UH, FROM THE ELEVATION AS YOU CAN SEE DOWN BELOW, UM, IT'S, UM, LARGER.

UH, AND SO THEN FROM THE SIDE OF THIS IS NOW THE, LET'S SAY CALL IT THE WESTERN SIDE.

UM, AND AGAIN, WE HAVE THE BOARD AND BATTEN ON THE SECOND FLOOR.

WE HAVE A WHOLE SERIES OF WINDOWS ALONG HERE, UH, SOME SQUARE AND SOME TALL, UH, WE HAVE THE HORIZONTAL SIDING AND THE FOUNDATION WALL IS A BRICK MASONRY, AND THEY ARE ABOVE THE FLOOD PLAIN.

SO THERE'S NO CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, UM, FLOOD VENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

SO OTHER THAN THAT, WE HAVE OUR ZONING AND INSPECTIONS BLANK FORM, UM, FIVE AND NINE.

SO IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF LAND USE ORDINANCE.

AND AS YOU MIGHT EXPECT, IT WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.

ALRIGHT.

OTHER THAN THAT, WE'RE READY FOR.

DOES ANYONE HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH THIS PROJECT? NO.

NONE.

IS THERE ANYTHING YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO SAY THE OWNERS OR REPRESENTATIVE? OKAY.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE PROJECT? SEE NONE.

UH, I THINK WE'RE READY FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATION.

SO THE FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR FIVE AND NINE QUEEN STREET, UH, FOR THOMAS AND SUSAN VIA AARON AND GO ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, UH, THERE IS NO HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME FOR THIS VACANT LOT, UH, NOR DESCRIPTION IN ANY OF THE VARIOUS INTERESTING HISTORY THOUGH.

YES, IT DOES PART OF THE PEPSI PLANT.

THAT'S RIGHT.

WHAT SHOULD I LEARN TODAY FROM THE OWNERS? AND THEN I UNDERSTAND IT WAS ALSO A PARKING LOT FOR THE MACE MASONIC TEMPLE.

SO COOL.

BUT ASIDE FROM THAT, YOU KNOW, FIVE AND NINE QUEEN STREET PROJECT IS TO INCLUDE CONSTRUCTION OF A ONE AND A HALF STORY INFILL HOUSE ON A VACANT PARCEL.

SO STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES ARE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

2.1 0.12 AND THREE FOR UTILITIES, 2.3 0.12, THREE AND SIX FOR LANDSCAPING, 2.4 0.3, FOUR AND SEVEN FOR PARKING 2.7 0.4 FOR DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1 0.1 2 3, 4, AND FIVE FOR INFILL CONSTRUCTION, 3.4 0.12, THREE AND FOUR FOR FOUNDATIONS, 4.1 0.3 AND FOUR FOR WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION 4.2 0.4 FOR WINDOWS DOORS AND OPENINGS.

4.3 0.2 AND THREE FOR ENTRANCES, 4.4 0.4 FOR ROOFS, 4.5 0.6 FOR MASONRY 5.1 0.3, FIVE AND SIX FOR METALS, 5.3 0.3 AND FOUR, OR PAINT FOR 5.4 0.23, FOUR, AND SIX FOR CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS, 5.5 0.1 2 3, 5, AND SIX STATEMENTS.

A REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION IN STAFF'S JUDGMENT ARE ONE.

THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

THE PROPOSAL IS AN INFILL PROJECT THREE, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES FOR THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.

AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY AND

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FIVE.

THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.

SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COMMISSION APPROVE THIS APPLICATION TO INCLUDE CONSTRUCTION OF A ONE AND A HALF STORY INFILL HOUSE ON A VACANT PARCEL WITH A FOLLOWING CONDITION.

THE CYA IS NOT VALID AND CONSTRUCTION MAY NOT BEGIN UNTIL THE APPLICANT PROVIDES TO THE HPA, THE DRAWINGS, DETAILS, AND DESCRIPTION OF THE UTILITIES, EXTERIOR LIGHTING AND LANDSCAPING FOR THIS PROJECT.

AND THE HPA HAS REVIEWED THE INFORMATION AND APPROVES BY ISSUING AN AMENDMENT AND AMENDED COA.

THE INSTALLATION OF SAID, UTILITIES, LIGHTING AND LANDSCAPING, AND THAT'S IT.

ANY FINAL COMMENTS? DUMP.

DISCUSSION QUESTIONS.

UH, MATT, COULD WE PLEASE SEE THE FRONT ENTRANCE AGAIN PLACED? THERE WE GO A LITTLE BIT SMALLER, MAYBE CLOSE THE DOOR.

UH, THE DOOR IS, UH, RIGHT BEHIND THIS, UH, UH, BEHIND THIS WALL HERE.

IT'S WANT TO GO TO THE PLAN.

SO YOU GO AROUND THE CORNER TO SEE IT.

SO YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE ACTUALLY ON THIS ELEVATION, UM, HERE.

SO THESE ARE THE FRONT STEPS ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE.

UM, AND THEN THIS IS THE FRONT DOOR.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES.

ONE OTHER THING, UM, YOU'VE MENTIONED LANDSCAPING.

WE DON'T SEE A LANDSCAPE PLAN.

ARE WE GOING TO GET ONE LADY? THAT'S RIGHT.

THAT'S WHAT THE CONDITION WAS FOR.

UH, THEY COULD CERTAINLY JUST SUBMIT IT AS, UM, AS A SEPARATE, MINOR COA.

THAT'S ANOTHER OPTION.

I WAS GONNA ASK THAT LIKE A LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR THEM TO GO TO THAT DETAIL AT THIS POINT.

I'M NOT SURE THAT I WOULD NEED THAT FOR, SO, YEAH, SO YOU WOULDN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO HOLD UP THE BEGINNING OF CONSTRUCTION BUILDING PERMIT, WAITING FOR A LANDSCAPE PLAN.

BUT YOU'RE ASKING WHEN YOU SAY UTILITIES, YOU JUST WANT TO KNOW WHERE THE HPAC THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THEN IT WILL HAVE TO BE SCREENED APPROPRIATELY AND THAT'S THE MEDIAN AND THAT.

SO, I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'LL NEED TO FIGURE OUT.

WHAT ELSE WOULD YOU SAY? THE UTILITIES, ELENA, EXTERIOR LIGHTING, UH, MEANING, YOU KNOW, LIGHTING ATTACHED TO THE STRUCTURE, YOUR CONDITION IS THOSE THINGS ARE IN YOUR HAND BEFORE CONSTRUCTION? YES.

SO PRIMARILY THE TWO, UH, WOULD BE THE MORE IMPORTANT ONES, THE, UH, UTILITIES AND THE LIGHTING.

WE COME BACK WITH LANDSCAPING LATER.

THEY CAN DO THAT LATER.

AND MAY I SAY HOW HAPPY WE ARE TO SEE THAT LIGHT BEING OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, JUST ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE FOUNDATION AND, UM, MAYBE LIKE ANY INSETS DOING AS OPPOSED TO STRAIGHT BRICK WALL, LIKE ANY THOUGHT WE HAD TO JUST PROPOSE A STRAIGHT BRICK WALL.

IT'S ONLY A 30 INCH HIGH FOUNDATION, SO IT'S NOT REALLY SHOWING A LOT, UM, TO PUT IN ALL THE LITTLE SIMULATED PIERS OF YEAH.

PLUS THIS IS A MODERN, IT'S A MODERN STRUCTURE, RIGHT.

LET'S SEE WHERE TO GO.

I LOST IT.

0.3 AND FOUR WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION.

SO I MOVE THAT THE APPLICATION FOR THAT'S MY ADDRESS? 5 0 9 QUEEN STREET, UH, TO BE NOT IN CONGRUENCE WITH THE NEWBORNS CODE OF ORDINANCES, SECTION 15, UH, FOR ONE, ONE AND 15 DOT 4, 2, 9, AND NUMEROUS HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES.

SO DEVELOPMENT PATTERN 2.1, 2.1 0.12 AND THREE UTILITIES, 2.3 0.12, THREE AND SIX.

SHOULD WE HOLD OFF ON THE LANDSCAPING UNTIL THEY DO ANYTHING? OKAY.

HOLD OFF ON THE LANDSCAPING.

UM, PARKING 2.7 0.4 DESIGN PRINCIPLES 3.1 2 3, 4, AND FIVE INFILL CONSTRUCTION, 3.4 1 2, 3 AND FOUR FOUNDATIONS.

UH, 4.1

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4.2 0.4 WINDOWS DOORS AND OPENINGS.

4.3 0.2 AND THREE ENTRANCES.

ONE POINT 0.4 0.4 ROOFS 4.5 0.6 MASONARY 5.15 AND SIX.

WHOOPS, 3.5 0.1 0.3, FIVE AND SIX.

METALS.

5.3 0.3 AND FOUR PAINT.

5.4 0.23, FOUR AND SIX, CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS.

5.1 5.15 5.512 AND THREE, FIVE AND SIX.

AND IN THE STATEMENT OF REASONS IS THAT THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE TIGHT LEAD DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

UH, THE PROPOSAL IS AN INFILL PROJECT, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.

AND THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.

IS THERE A SECOND? WHAT DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE A CONDITION AT ALL? OKAY.

SO THAT THE COA NOT BE ISSUED UNTIL, UH, NO BUILDING PERMIT UNTIL, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED DRAWINGS FOR DESCRIPTION UTILITIES AND EXTERIOR LIGHTING.

AND CAN THEY DO THAT TO STAFF OR DO Y'ALL WANT TO SEE THE EXTERIOR LIGHTING? OH, OKAY.

SO ALL THE LIGHTING IS RECESSED AND UNDERNEATH.

AND SO CAN UTILITIES AS THERE BY PAY WITH UTILITIES, GO INTO THE STAFF WAS A MONITOR TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR SCREEN IS REALLY THE, YEAH.

WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO BE? AND THAT THEY'RE SCREENED APPROPRIATELY.

SO THAT, SO AS A CONDITION THAT YOU BRING THAT BACK TO STAFF TO SHOW WHERE THE UTILITIES ARE GOING TO BE, AND THAT THEY'RE SCREENED APPROPRIATELY.

SO THAT'S THE MOTION BECAUSE WE TYPICALLY STAFF TYPICALLY REVIEWS THAT AS A MINOR, ANY OTHER WAY, WITHOUT HPC, IS THERE EVEN A MOTION MEAN A CONDITION CONDITION NEEDED SET, UH, FOR, FOR THE UTILITIES THAT, OKAY.

SO UTILITIES WILL COME TO STAFF AND THEY'LL, UM, MAKE SURE THEY MEET THE GUIDELINES.

SO, SO THAT'S THE CONDITION, THAT'S THE MOTION AND CONDITION AND THE SECONDARY.

ARE THOSE THE FOLKS FROM, UH, 8 23 POLLOCK BACK THERE? NO.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSED HEARING NONE IS APPROVED A MOTION TO ISSUE A COA.

SO IS THERE A SECOND? AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, MR. ACTING CHAIR, THE MOTION TO ISSUE THE COA IS WITH THE CONDITION WITH THE CONDITION THAT OKAY.

WE MOVED AND SECONDED.

PEGGY SECONDED ALL IN FAVOR STATE.

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NO.

OKAY OKAY, MAYBE THEY'RE HERE FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS.

SO WE'LL NEED A MOTION TO CONTINUE 8 23 PUBLIC STREETS UNTIL NEXT MEETING.

WHATEVER THAT DATE IS AT THE APPLICATION TO 8 26, THE APPLICATION FOR EIGHT IT'S 23 AT UNTIL WHAT'S TODAY, MAY THE THIRD WEDNESDAY IN MAY, THE THIRD, WEDNESDAY, MAY 30 PM.

AND SEE THE IN CITY HALL IN THIS LOCATION FOR THE REASON THAT THEY DIDN'T SHOW UP THE 18TH MAY 18TH, MAY 18TH, FIVE 30 SO THAT THE APPLICANT CAN BE PRESENT AND OFFER ADDITIONAL INFORMATION SO THAT THE APPLICANT CAN BE PRESENT IN ALL FOUR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

SO SECONDS WHO DID THE SECOND, NOT ONE YET.

SECOND PEGGY ALL FAVORITES THAT I POSED.

OKAY, PERFECT.

YOU CAME TO A GOOD MEETING.

YOU WERE HERE FOR THAT ONE FOR WHAT? OH, GLAD YOU'RE HERE.

SO CHAOTIC.

RIGHT?

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DO YOU HAVE ANY, ANYTHING OF SIGNIFICANCE IN YOUR REPORT? UM, NO.

WE HAVE NO OLD BUSINESS THAT I KNOW OF.

WE HAVE NO GENERAL PUBLIC THAT'S CORRECT.

NEW BUSINESS.

NONE.

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WELL, LET'S SEE OTHER ITEMS AND UPDATES OUT.

ONLY THING IS I HANDED UP TO YOU THE, UM, UH, PACK THE INFORMATION PAGES FOR THE AWARDS THING.

I KNOW.

UM, CHAIR COX WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING KIND OF PREPARATION FOR THAT.

UM, YEP.

OTHERWISE THAT'S IT.

I WOULD LIKE TO JUST MAKE A SUGGESTION ON THAT BULLET POINT AWARD TO BE GIVEN ONE TIME A YEAR AT THE END OF THE YEAR, MAYBE TO SAY ANNUAL AWARD GIVEN AT THE END OF THE YEAR.

IT'S JUST, WHAT'S ALREADY.

SO, UM, THAT'LL BE SOMETHING WE'LL DISCUSS.

I'LL STILL BE ON THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING.

WE CAN WORK AT WORDSMITH IT.

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