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[1. Opening of Meeting with Roll Call]
THE APPOINTED HOUR, I CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.IS THAT BETTER? DO I START, YOU KNOW, I START AGAIN.
I'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.
AND CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, ROLL CALL, SIR.
JIM BISBEE HERE, JOHN BLACKWELDER ABSENT.
HE RESIGNED GOOD PIGGY BROADWAY, TONY BRIAN EAR.
AND THAT STONE CANDACE SULLIVAN.
[2. Approval of Minutes of Previous Meeting(s)]
I CALL FOR A MOTION TO DISPENSE WITH THE READING OF THE MINT.[3.A. Hearings: Introduction, Swearing-In, Summary of Process ]
ABOUT THE HEARINGS HERE.THEIR HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION IS A PUBLIC COMMISSION APPOINTED BY THE CITY OF NEWARK NEW BERN'S BOARD OF ALDERMAN.
IT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PRESERVING AND SAFEGUARDING NEWBORNS LOCALLY, DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICT DOWNTOWN AND RIVERSIDE.
AND THIS IS BASED ON THE U S DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, STATE STANDARDS, CITY ORDINANCES, AND NEW BURNS HISTORIC GUIDELINES.
TWO OF THE MAJOR TASKS OF THE HPC INCLUDE APPROVING APPLICATIONS FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND PREVENTING DEMOLITION OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES.
DUE TO NEGLECT THE HPC HOLDS A QUASAR JUDICIAL HEARING ON AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
THE COMMISSION HERE SWORN TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT BY PARTIES WHO RECEIVED NOTICE OF THE HEARING AND BY OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT EVIDENCE AND ARE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THE APPLICATION.
THE COMMISSION CANNOT CONSIDER COMMENTS BASED ON PERSONAL LIKES OR DISLIKES.
HEARSAY ARE PERSONAL OPINIONS THAT CAN NOT BE DIRECTLY RELATED TO SPECIFIC HISTORIC GUIDELINES.
LIKEWISE, COMMISSIONER SHALL REFRAIN FROM STATING PERSONAL OPINIONS, PERSONAL LIKES OR DISLIKES ARE HEARSAY DURING THE HEARINGS.
THE COMMISSION'S DECISION ON AN APPLICATION IS BASED SOLELY ON TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PRESENTED AT THE HEARING THAT DIRECTLY RELATE TO THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES.
SIR, CAN YOU SWEAR IN ANYONE WHO WISH WISHES TO SPEAK TONIGHT OR GIVE EVIDENCE TONIGHT? IF YOU COME FORWARD, SIGN UP AND GET SWORN IN.
WE, WE GOT SERVED PEOPLE OUT HERE.
IF YOU'RE HAVING TROUBLE WITH THE SCREEN, LET ME KNOW.
WE HAVE A WAY OF FIXING IT AND IT GETS ANNOYING AND WE CAN FIX IT.
HERE'S HOW WE WILL CONDUCT THE HEARING ON A COA APPLICATION.
THE HBC ADMINISTRATOR PROVIDES AN OVERVIEW OF THE APPLICATION, WHICH YOU CAN SEE THE APPLICANT OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE PRESENT THE APPLICATION PROPONENTS AND OPPONENTS WHO RECEIVED NOTICE OF THE HEARING CAN PRESENT EVIDENCE REBUTTAL AS ALLOWED BY THE APPLICANT AND BY PROPONENTS AND OPPONENTS WHO RECEIVE NOTICE OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT INFORMATION AND WILL BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED,
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CAN PRESENT EVIDENCE.THE HB COMMISSIONER PRESENTS THE STAFF'S FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS THE APPLICANT OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE FINAL COMMENTS ON THEIR APPLICATION.
COMMISSIONERS, DISCUSS THE EVIDENCE OR MAY ASK FOR CLARIFICATION FROM THE APPLICANT OR THE PRESENTERS, THE CHAIRMAN CALLS FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE OR DENY THE APPLICATION, WHICH STATED FINDINGS OF FACT, THE MOTION IS DISCUSSED BY THE COMMISSION.
THE CHAIRMAN CALLS FOR A VOTE ON THE MOTION BY THE COMMISSION.
A COA CAN BE APPROVED, APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS ARE CONTINUED OR DENIED.
[3.B. 823 Pollock St. – to include installation of a new, 6-foot-high, wood gate for the driveway in the Primary AVC. (Part 1 of 2) ]
CAN WE HAVE THE FIRST APPLICATION ON OUR AGENDA FOR TONIGHT? AND THAT IS 8 23 POLITICS FAULT TREE.LET'S START HERE WITH THE FIRST PAGE OF THE APPLICATION AND THEY CAN SEE IT'S FOR THE PROPERTY.
8 23 POLISH STREET FOR JOHN AND TANYA BARONS.
THERE IS SO MANY HERE IN THE AUDIENCE FOR THEM.
UM, WE CAN MOVE THEM TO THE END OF THE AGENDA IF YOU'D LIKE.
DO YOU HAVE SOME INFORMATION THAT THEY ARE COMING? WE HAVE TOLD THEM, TOLD THEM WHAT TIME.
WELL, WE'LL MOVE THEM TO THIS POINT IN TIME.
AND THIS IS A, AN APPLICATION THAT WAS CONTINUED FROM THE LAST MEETING BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T MAKE IT.
[3.C. 226 New St. – to include installation of a shed in the Tertiary AVC. (Part 1 of 2) ]
NEXT ONE WILL BE 2 26 NEW STREET.AND IF YOU WANT TO A MAN EXPLAIN THE SITUATION WE HAVE WITH THE PAPERWORK.
ACTUALLY IN THE LAST FIVE MINUTES THAT HAS CHANGED IN FIVE MINUTES, IT'S CHANGED LIKE NEWS ON.
SO WE DO NOW HAVE A NOTARIZED NOTE FROM THE, UH, APPLICANTS AUTHORIZING MR. MO OUTLOOK TO BE, UH, THEIR AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE FOR THIS EVENING IS MO HERE.
[3.D. 244 Middle St. and Pollock St., Middle St., and Craven St. Rights-of-Way (Part 1 of 2) ]
THAT WE HAVE THE PEOPLE FOR MIDDLE STREET, POLISHED STREET, CRAVEN STREET RIGHT AWAY.PEOPLE THAT'S YOU AT ALL RIGHT.
YOU WANT TO HAVE LUCKY, THIS NEVER HAPPENS.
I MEAN, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE DON'T HAVE TWO PEOPLE IN A ROW HAPPENED.
SO CAN YOU BRING UP WHAT THEY WANT TO DO? DEFINITELY.
SO HERE'S THE FIRST PAGE OF THEIR APPLICATION.
UH, AND, UH, SO ESSENTIALLY THE, UH, VAST MAJORITY OF THE PROP OF THE PROJECT IS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE CITY OF NEW BERN.
OWNER'S NAME IS CITY OF NEW BERN.
UH, BUT, UH, SEGREGATE IS THE APP APPLICANTS.
AND, UH, THERE'S QUITE A LARGE EXTENT TO THE PROJECT.
ALTHOUGH OUR CONCERN IS ACTUALLY QUITE MINOR.
UH, SO WE HAVE, UM, I CAN DO WHAT, WHAT WERE YOU SAYING? TRICK PROJECT.
SO I THINK WE'RE ON ITEM D TWO.
THE FIRST TWO PEOPLE AREN'T HERE.
UM, SO DID WE RECEIVE AN OWNER'S AUTHORIZATION FROM YOU FROM THE CITY? UM,
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I'M NOT SURE ONE WAS SUBMITTED NO, UH, AUTHORIZATION FOR YOU TO REPRESENT THE CITY FOR A PROJECT IN THE CITY RIGHT OF WAY.UM, ON THE OTHER HAND, DOES A UTILITY EASEMENT.
SO THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT QUESTION.
SO, UM, I GUESS ESSENTIALLY THE CITY OWNS THE STREET RIGHT AWAY AND YOU'RE LOOKING TO DO WORK IN THE CITY'S PROPERTY.
SO, UH, WE CAN'T JUST LET ANY IN WILLY NILLY DECIDE TO DO WORK ON ANYBODY'S PROPERTY WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR WAS THAT OWNER'S AUTHORIZATION AUTHORIZATION FROM THE OWNER.
IN THIS CASE, THE CITY WILL ALLOW YOU TO REPRESENT THE CITY, THE OWNER, TO DO THE PROJECT THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IT'S DIFFERENT THAN A PERMIT.
UM, HOWEVER, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A NUANCE PRESENTED BY THE FACT THAT UTILITIES SUPPOSEDLY, UH, AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND, HAVE A RIGHT TO USE THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY ANYWAY, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT SUPERSEDES, OKAY.
CAN WE APPROVE IT? CONTINGENT ON GETTING THAT APPROVAL? OKAY.
UNFORTUNATELY, IN ORDER FOR THE APPLICANT TO HAVE STANDING, THEY HAVE TO EVIDENCE THAT THEY HAVE A LEGAL RIGHT TO DO THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO.
SO FOR IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, WE HAVE A UTILITY, THE PERSON OR ENTITY THAT OWNS THE DIRT IS THE CITY OF NEWBURGH.
SO WE WOULD NEED VERIFICATION FROM A PERSON WHO HAS THE AUTHORITY TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE CITY TO INDICATE THAT THEY SUPPORT, OR THEY ARE THE AUTHORIZED, UM, FOR THE UTILITY TO EXERCISE THAT RIGHT ON, ON THEIR PROPERTY.
UM, SO IT MIGHT BE THAT WE CAN JUST HOLD THIS MATTER OPEN, UM, AND WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SATISFY THAT REQUIREMENT HERE MOMENTARILY, ANOTHER APPLICATION.
SO YOU'RE SAYING, MOVE THEM TO THE END OF THOSE.
UH, THE FIRST APPLICANT HAS NOW ARRIVED, BUT OKAY.
SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THESE PEOPLE RIGHT HERE? WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THEM TO THE BACK OF THE AGENDA.
AND THAT SOUNDS LIKE SHE'S GOING TO MAKE A PHONE CALL TO FIND OUT.
SO JUST THE AUTHORIZATION ISSUE, MATT, JUST AS A THOUGHT, OFTENTIMES THAT RESPONSIBILITY COMES TO YOU.
YOU JUST MAYBE NEED TO HAVE SOME AUTHORIZATION AND SOMEBODY ELSE.
AND I THINK I'VE SEEN THIS FOR, UM, PUBLIC WORKS OR A FEW OF THE STREETS, PEOPLE SIGN OFF ON THIS.
SO JU JUST A SUGGESTION IF, IF THAT CAN WORK OUT.
SO THESE FOLKS DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK HERE YET AGAIN.
SO WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA WAIT ON YOU ALL.
AND WE'VE GOT 8 23 POLK STREET HERE.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE FOUR 70, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN THE FOURTH APPLICATION.
[3.B. 823 Pollock St. – to include installation of a new, 6-foot-high, wood gate for the driveway in the Primary AVC. (Part 2 of 2) ]
DO 8 23 COLLEGE STREET INTO YOUR PERSONAL, SO IF YOU WILL, FOR INSOMNIA, DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH,[00:15:08]
MAN? OKAY.SO CAN YOU BRING BACK UP OR BRING UP 8 23 COLLEGE STREETS? SO NOW COMMISSION WE'RE ON B.
WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE BEGINNING WHERE WE STARTED YOU.
WEREN'T THIS BAGGY WE'RE ON, WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE, JUST TOLD ON THEY ARE, YOU CAN HAVE A SEAT CAUSE HE'S GONNA PRESENT IT TO US TO LOOK AT, AND THEN WE'VE GOT TO GO THROUGH SOME STUFF.
SO YOU CAN STAY IN THERE IF YOU LIKE, SIR, JUST HAVE A SEAT.
THAT WAY WE KNOW WHERE YOUR WEIGHT IS BACK HERE.
SO HERE WE HAVE THE FIRST PAGE OF THE APPLICATION, 8 23 POLLOCK STREET, UH, FOR JOHN AND TONYA MARANTZ.
UH, AND YOU CAN SEE, THEY HAVE THEIR DESCRIPTION, THE PROJECT DESCRIPTION, THEY HAVE THE, UH, REFERENCED THE GUIDELINES, A DETAILED LIST OF MATERIALS.
THEY'RE THE OWNER AND THEY'VE SIGNED THE APPLICATION.
SO THIS IS A SHOT OF THE GATE THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, CORRECT? YEAH.
AND SO WE ALSO HAVE THE BACK OF THAT GATE AND THEN WE HAVE THE EXISTING CONDITION AND THEN WE ALSO FROM THE SIDE.
WE DID, UH, WE, WE ACTUALLY STAGED WHAT THE GATE WOULD LOOK LIKE.
UM, AND UH, HOW LONG AGO DID YOU SEND THAT? LET ME JUST CHECK REAL QUICK.
IT MIGHT BE, MUST BE ONE OF THE 221 EMAILS IT WOULD HAVE BEEN TO AND SENPAI.
AND LOOK, WHAT'S YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS? JC MAYBE IT'S DIFFERENT.
UM, WE CAN GO OVER THE REST UNTIL, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THE NEXT PIECE IS THE ZONING AND INSPECTIONS REPORT REAL QUICK.
AND WE'LL PROBABLY HEAR IT ON MY COMPUTER WHEN IT COMES IN.
SO THIS IS THE ZONING AND INSPECTIONS REPORT.
AND FOR THEM IT, UH, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR STATES THAT IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF LAND USE ORDINANCE.
AND IT WILL NOT REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT ACCORDING TO THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR.
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SOMETIMES COMPUTERS.AND ABOVE HERE, THE MOTHER SHOT.
IT JUST TOOK A COUPLE OF SHOTS FROM DIFFERENT ANGLES TO TRY TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, BUT UH, CAN YOU GO SEE THAT? OKAY.
THAT'S THE SIZE IT'S JUST SETTING IN PLACE.
IT'S NOT ACTUALLY INSTALLED AND THAT'S WHAT JUST TO BE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
SO, UM, THAT ESSENTIALLY CONCLUDES OUR, UM, SUMMARY, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, UM, WE CAN HAVE, OUR US RECOMMENDATIONS ARE AVAILABLE.
SO ARE THERE ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST OVER THIS GATE AT THIS HOUSE FOR ANYONE ON THE COMMISSION HEARING? NONE.
ARE THERE ANY ISSUES WITH THE APPLICATIONS, COMPLETENESS HEARING? NONE.
SO THE APPLICATION HAS BEEN PRESENTED, SIR.
DO YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE THAN WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID? UH, NO.
I MEAN, NOT THAT THERE'S ANY REAL QUESTIONS ABOUT.
ARE THERE ANY NOTIFIED PROPONENTS IN THE AUDIENCE? THERE'S NOBODY BEHIND YOU.
SO IT'S ONLY THIS ONE OTHER PERSON OVER HERE, SIR.
WHAT ARE YOU HERE? WHAT ONE ARE YOU HERE FOR? OKAY.
SO THERE ARE NO PROPONENTS, THERE ARE NO OPPONENTS IN THE AUDIENCE SO WE CAN MOVE ON DOWN.
THERE'S NO REBUTTAL NECESSARY.
UM, THERE'S NO ONE WITH RELEVANT EVIDENCE AND HALF STANDING, SO WE CAN GO ON SIR, TO THE STAFF ON THINGS.
SO, UH, FOR THIS, UH, PROJECT FOR JOHN AND TANYA BARONS AT 8 23 PALLEX STREET, THE HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME IS THE AUSTIN CHARLOTTE HOUSE.
UH, AS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE INVENTORY, IT'S INDICATED AS BUILT MID 18TH CENTURY.
SO ONE OF THE OLDEST HOUSES IN TOWN, GEORGIAN STYLE ONE AND A HALF STORIES, THREE BAYS WIDE, TWO BAYS, DEEP RAISED ENTRANCE STOOP, EXTERIOR IN CHIMNEY, STEEP CAMPBELL ROOF IN THREE SHED DORMERS, NONE OF WHICH IS REALLY RELEVANT, BUT THAT'S THE DESCRIPTION.
AND THEN SAM BECK HAS NOTHING RELEVANT TO THE WALLET GATE OPENING.
THE PROJECT IS CONCLUDED INSTALLATION OF A NEW SIX FOOT HIGH WOOD GATE FOR THE DRIVEWAY IN THE PRIMARY ABC.
THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES ARE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR FENCES AND GARDENING WALLS.
2.5 0.1 2.5 0.2 FOR SIGNS, 2.8 0.2 FOR THE PURPOSE OF INDICATING WHERE TO INSTALL, UH, THE GATE INTO THE MASONRY TENDS TO BE INSTALLED INTO THE MORTAR JOINTS, UH, MASONRY 5.1 0.1 METAL 5.3 0.3 AND 8.4 FOR PAINT, 5.4 0.2, THREE AND FOUR, AND STATEMENTS OR REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION.
AND STAFF'S JUDGMENT ARE THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE TIGHT LEAF DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
PROPOSAL IS A GARDEN WALL MODIFICATION AND GATE PROJECT THREE, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS, THE GUIDELINES FOR THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
THEN CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY AND FIVE.
THE APPLICATION IS NOT INCONGRUENT WITH THE GUIDELINES.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDS COMMISSION APPROVE THIS APPLICATION TO INCLUDE INSTALLATION OF A NEW SIX FOOT HIVE WOODGATE FOR THE DRIVEWAY AND THE PRIMARY ABC WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT ANY FASTENING FOR THE GATE STRUCTURE TO THE EXISTING BRICK AND STONE WALL SHALL ONLY BE EMBEDDED INTO THE MORTAR JOINTS, NOT INTO THE BRICKS OR STONES.
THERE'S NOBODY IN OUR AUDIENCE WITH TESTIMONY FROM THE STATE CITY OR GOVERNMENT BODY, SIR.
DO YOU WANT TO MAKE ANY FINAL COMMENTS? UH, JUST THANK YOU FOR THAT.
SO WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION FOR THE COMMISSION MEMBERS.
LET ME SAY TO THOSE OF YOU WHO MAY BE WATCHING THIS.
I DON'T WANT THERE TO BE ANY CONFUSION THAT THIS
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IS, HAS AN, HAS AN ADDRESS OF 8 23 POLLOCK STREET.BUT THIS GATE IS, THIS IS POLLOCK STREET.
THIS GATE IS AROUND ON THE SIDE.
THIS GATE IS NOT ON POLLOCK STREET.
ALTHOUGH POLYP STREET IS THE NAME OF THE HOUSE.
AND AS YOU SAW THAT THERE'S ALREADY A BRICK WALL THERE AND THE OPENING, BUT THIS IS NOT ON POLLOCK STREET ITSELF.
JUST SO IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE WATCHING THIS, UH, YOU'RE NOT CONFUSED BY THE ADDRESS OF WHERE THIS GATE IS.
COMMISSIONERS, DOES ANYBODY WE'VE SEEN THIS AT DESIGN REVIEW? DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, ANY QUESTIONS YOU WANT TO MAKE AT THIS POINT IN TIME COLOR? I THOUGHT THERE WAS DISCUSSION THAT IT WOULD BE WHITE TO MATCH THE FENCE.
SO W W W WHEN, ONCE IT'S INSTALLED, WE'LL, WE'LL DO IT WHITE, AND THEN, UH, WE'RE GONNA DO SOME PICKET TOPS TO TRY TO MATCH THE BATCH.
JUST THE FENCE THAT'S ON THE WALL THERE.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE IT MATCHED.
WHAT? SO DURING THE PROPOSAL STAGE THAT WE, UH, WE DISCUSSED PAINTING IT ALL WHITE AND THEN PUTTING LIKE LITTLE, UH, CROWNS ON TOP OF THE FENCE TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A PICKET, IT KIND OF FITS.
SO LIKE, IF YOU GO BACK TO THIS PICTURE, THERE'S A PICKET FENCE WITH POINTS ON.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL NEED TO ADD THAT TO THE APPLICATION.
CAUSE THAT'S NOT IN THE APPLICATION AS STATED, IS IT ANYWHERE MADAM CHAIR? I DID NOT SEE THAT IN THE APPLICATION.
HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT CAN AMEND THE APPLICATION AT ANY TIME THAT MAY CONSTITUTE AN AMENDMENT.
SO WHOEVER MAKES THE RECOMMENDATION, YOU NEED TO ADD THIS LITTLE BIT TO THE RECOMMENDATION.
SO YES, WE ARE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO ASK THAT QUESTION TOO, BECAUSE WE DID DISCUSS THAT.
SO YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT, WHICH WE DISCUSSED.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS, PEGGY? YES.
I HAVE A GATE THAT YOU SET IN PLACE.
THAT'S LIKE, YOU'VE NOT ALREADY.
SO, UM, UH, WE ACTUALLY OBTAINED IT AND THEN WE, THEN WE LEARNED LIKE THE PROCESS.
UM, SO THE, THE PREVIOUS WAS A SWING GATE AND IT WAS UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DRIVEWAY.
SO YOU COULDN'T ACTUALLY PARK A CAR WHEN YOU CLOSE IT.
SO THE PROPOSAL IS TO MOVE IT DOWN AND HAVE IT SLIDE.
UM, THAT WAY YOU CAN GET A FULL CAR ON THE DRIVEWAY, BUT YOU'VE ALREADY BOUGHT THIS GATE AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO BACK AND PUT LITTLE POINTS ON TOP OF IT.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YEAH, WE'LL RETROFIT.
I WAS PROBABLY LIKE ULTIMATE SCREW THEM AND PAINTED WHITE.
I WAS MORE CONCERNED WITH THE WHITE THAN THE SHADE, BUT WHATEVER YOU GUYS PREFER, I MEAN, WE KIND OF LIKED THE WHITE IDEA OURSELVES, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IF YOU GUYS ARE GOOD WITH THE ARCH ON IT AND NOT PUTTING THE PICKET POPS ON IT PROBABLY BE LESS.
I THINK IT WOULD MAKE IT LOOK WHEN YOU'RE HAVING TO GO BACK AND RETROFIT THAT I'D BE OKAY WITH IT.
IT'D BE BETTER TO LEAVE IT, BUT YEAH.
I MEAN, WE, WE ACTUALLY, MY WIFE AND I PREFER BEING WHITE OURSELVES.
SO WE'RE GOING BACKWARDS A LITTLE BIT IN THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE PICKETS, BUT YOU GOT TO PAINT IT WHITE AND IT'LL HAVE A, A BLACK, UH, EDGE ON IT.
UH, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE IT FROM THE OUTSIDE BECAUSE THE, UM, THE FRAME IS BEHIND THE WOOD, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT THE PHOTOGRAPH, BE ABLE TO SEE IT FROM THE SIDE, ACTUALLY.
WELL, THAT'S WHERE I'M LOOKING AT IT, BUT I'M SORRY.
AND WE CAN PAINT THAT, THAT WHITE TOO.
SO THIS'LL BE A SLIDING CANDLE LEVER TYPE GAIT.
YOUR PICTURE SHOWS IT ON THE FRONT OF THE WALL.
WE'LL SLIDE IN FRONT OF THE WALL, SLIDE BACK ACROSS THE DRIVEWAY.
AND SO THAT, THAT MEANS THERE ARE SOME COMPONENTS THAT WILL BE ON THE SIDEWALK SIDE OF THE WALL THAT WILL CARRY THE GATE.
UH, THERE, THERE WILL BE ONE POST, UM, ON THE VERY RIGHT SIDE.
THAT'S THE MAIN POST HAS TWO LITTLE, UH, ROLLERS THAT KEEP THE GATE IN PLACE.
I DIDN'T HAVE THE POST OUT AT THE POST.
I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THERE'S NOT A, WITH A TOP AND BOTTOM RAIL THAT WHEN THE GATE IS CLOSED, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A BUNCH OF METAL WORK.
CAUSE THAT'S WHAT I USUALLY SEE.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S ON THE BACKSIDE OF THAT WALL, DOESN'T CONCERN ME AT ALL.
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ROLLERS HOLD THE GATE.THERE IS A PICTURE THAT SHOWS THE
UM, SO I TOOK SOME OF THE MANUFACTURER PHOTOS THAT WAS IN THE EARLIER AND THAT SHOWS THE BACK OF THE GATE, BUT THAT ONE'S ACTUALLY A POWER DRIVEN GATE.
THIS ONE'S GOING TO BE A MANUAL GATE.
SO WE'RE NOT PUTTING A MACHINE DOWN THERE TO OPEN IT WITH CHAINS AND STUFF.
IT WAS JUST, WE'RE ROLLING ON THE GROUND.
SO THERE'S THE TRACK ON THE, ON THE FLOOR.
UM, NOW THAT BAR AND THAT MACHINE OFF TO THE RIGHT, WE WON'T HAVE.
AND SO THIS IS A SIMILAR INSTALLATION SOMEWHERE ELSE.
IT'S THE MANUFACTURERS OF THOSE.
SO YOU GOT TO ADD THE TRACK AS WELL, WHICH WE HAVEN'T SEEN IN THE PICTURE.
SO THIS GATE, WHEN YOU ROLL IT AND IT'S ON THE TRACK, IT'S NOT GONE FALL ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, THIS IS A BIG GATE METAL.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THESE ROLLERS DO.
SO THERE'S LIKE A POST, A BIG TWO POSTS AND TWO ROLLERS BETWEEN THE POSTS.
SO YEAH, SO IT, IT SORT OF, IT WILL GO THROUGH THE ROLLERS AND THAT'S HOW, THAT'S WHAT HOLDS IT IN PLACE ON THE TRACK.
AND THEN THERE'S A POST BEHIND IT.
IS THIS WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH, IN THE UPPER, RIGHT.
YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THERE OR RIGHT THERE.
I CAN'T SAY ANYTHING IN FRONT OF ME LAST NIGHT.
HUH? THERE'S A POST ON, ON THE BACK.
AND THIS ONE ROLLS INSIDE THE GATE AS OPPOSED TO OUTSIDE.
NOT TO BELABOR THIS, WILL THERE BE TWO LEAVES OR A SINGLE LEAF? I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING US IN THE SAMPLE PICTURE ARE TWO LEAVES, WHICH CAN WORK OUT.
SO IT BOLTS TOGETHER TO MAKE ONE PANEL ONE PAGE.
ARE YOU CLEAR ON WHAT YOU N YES.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT IN TIME? MADAM CHAIR, THIS ISN'T A QUESTION, BUT JUST FOR THE RECORD, I KNOW THIS PROJECT CAME BEFORE YOU ALL DONE DESIGN REVIEW.
UM, THE AUDIENCE WHO MAY BE WATCHING TONIGHT DOESN'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF THAT CONVERSATION.
SO IT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE AT THIS STAGE TO SHARE SOME OF THAT CONVERSATION SO THAT PEOPLE HAVE CONTEXT FOR WHY SIX FOOT GATE MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE.
AND UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES, IS THERE, WHAT'S THE FINDING OF FACTS, FUN FACTS SAY THAT THERE'S A SIX FOOT FENCE ALREADY.
WOULDN'T THAT BE? SO CREATE YOUR OWN FINDINGS OF FACT STATEMENTS OR REASON TO NOT HAVE THAT IN THERE.
SO, SO IT HAS TO DO WITH WHAT IS IN FRONT OF US WITH THE PILLARS AND HOW HIGH THE BRICK FENCE IS.
SO THIS IS NOT FOR THOSE THAT ARE WATCHING.
AND WE'VE HAD THIS SAME SITUATION, PROBABLY A COUPLE MONTHS, A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO WITH A HOUSE DOWN HERE, NEAR THE WATER WHERE, UH, THE PEOPLE WANTED TO PUT A GATE FROM THEIR HOUSE OVER TO THIS FENCE.
AND THIS IS A, THIS FENCE WAS A BRICK FENCE.
HOW HIGH WAS THAT FENCE? SIX FOOT, SEVEN FEET TALL.
SO WE CAN'T ASK THEM TO GO IN AND, YOU KNOW, NOT DOWN THAT FENCE, IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT.
THAT FENCE IS THAT HIGH, BUT THEY HAD TO HAVE A GATE THAT COULD ACCOMMODATE THAT FENCE.
THEY COULDN'T JUST PUT A SMALL FENCE UP THERE.
AND SO WE HAD TO ACCOMMODATE WHAT WAS ALREADY THERE.
SO WE ARE ACCOMMODATING HERE TO WALK.
WE HAVE TO WORK WITH, SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO ASK THEM TO GO AND MAKE THIS FENCE THAT'S IN THEIR BACKYARD, SIX, SIX FEET, WHICH IS WHAT WE NORMALLY REQUIRE IF IT'S A NEW FENCE.
SO THAT IS, THAT IS WHAT WE DISCUSSED.
AND IT MAY NOT BE CLEAR TO THOSE WHO ARE WATCHING THAT, THE PILLAR ON THE LEFT, THE, THE BIG, I GUESS IT'S A SQUARE PILLAR COMES FURTHER OUT TOWARD THE ROAD, THEN THE OTHER PILLAR, THE OTHER FENCE THAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE, CORRECT? YES.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE A BETTER PHOTO OF THAT.
SO THIS IS ANOTHER, SO THAT'S A GOOD, GOOD RIGHT THERE.
SO HE'S ALSO TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE, UM,
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THE STRUCTURES THAT HE ALREADY HAS TO WORK WITH.AND WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH HIM WITH THAT, IS THAT WHAT YOU WANTED ME TO DISCUSS? THERE WAS ALSO AN EXISTING GAME, UM, THAT WAS IN THAT HEIGHT RANGE.
SO IT'S A REPLACEMENT IN KIND YES.
VANDERBILT, THOSE ARE APPROPRIATE FACTS.
I THINK YOU'VE NOTED THAT THERE WERE COMPARABLE EXAMPLES, BUT THEN THE DISTRICT, THE HEIGHT OF THE EXISTING FENCE, THE FACT THAT THERE WAS A PREVIOUS GATE THERE ABOUT THE SAME SCALE.
I THINK THOSE FACTS IN THE RECORD CAN SUPPORT, UM, CERTAIN FINDINGS OF FACT.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, ANY OTHER COMMENTS AT THIS POINT IN TIME? ARE WE READY TO VOTE? GUY? WHO WOULD Y I'M GOING TO CALL FOR THE MOTION WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION AND BE SURE YOU INCLUDE INTO THE MOTION THAT THE FENCE IS GOING TO BE PAINTED WHITE.
SO I MOVE THAT THE APPLICATION FOR 8 23 COLLEGE STREET TO BE NOT IN CONGRUENCE WITH NEWBORNS CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTIONS, 15.411 DASH 15.4 TO NINE AND NUMEROUS HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT FENCES AND GARDEN WALLS, 2.5 0.1 2.5 0.2 SIGNS 2.8 0.2 MASONARY 5.1 0.1 METAL 5.3 0.3 5.3 0.4, PAINT 5.4 0.2 5.4 0.3 5.4 0.4.
AND FINDING A FACT, UH, BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION, UH, THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN A TIGHT WEAVED DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS.
THE PROPOSAL IS A GARDEN WALL MODIFICATION AND GATE PROJECT.
THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES.
THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND CAN INCOMPETENT ACCORDINGLY.
AND THE APPLICATION F PATIENT IS NOT IN CONGRUENCE WITH THE GUIDELINES, WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE GATE WILL BE PAINTED WHITE IN COLOR.
WE ALSO HAVE THIS SUGGESTED THE FASTENING CONDITION AT THE BOTTOM THERE YOU SEE ON THAT SCREEN AND ALSO A CONDITION THAT ANY FASTENING FOR THE GATE STRUCTURE TO BE EXISTING BRICK AND STONEWALL SHALL ONLY BE EMBEDDED INTO THE MORTAR JOINTS AND NOT INTO THE BRICK OR STONES.
DID WE HAVE A SECOND? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? WE HAVE A SECOND OVER HERE, SIR.
AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER ONE OTHER CONDITION, CANVAS AND JIM, IF YOU'LL ACCEPT ACCEPTED, I SUGGEST THAT YOU HAVE THE PEOPLE INSTALLING IT FOR YOU, PROVIDE A SHOP DRAWING, SHOWING ALL THESE STRUCTURES THAT ARE NEEDED AND SUBMIT THAT TO STAFF.
UM, AND THEN STAFF CAN DETERMINE WHETHER WE NEED TO TALK AGAIN.
UM, I, I ACTUALLY DO HAVE, UM, THE INSTALLATION GUIDE.
IT'S A DUI DYI, DYI, UH, D YOUR INSTALLED.
YES, BUT I, I DO HAVE THAT MATERIAL, UH, AVAILABLE REGARDLESS.
AND I GUESS IT'S PUBLIC COMMENTS CLOSE AT THIS POINT, BUT CANDACE, IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO YOU, I THINK IT'D BE APPROPRIATE TO ADD THAT KIND OF LANGUAGE WITH THE THIRD CONDITION THAT ANY INSTALLATION STRUCTURES WOULD BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR FURTHER APPROVAL BEFORE WHEN INSTALLATION BEFORE INSTALLATION.
SECOND, SECOND ON THAT AS WELL.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, ALL THOSE OPPOSED.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CLA SO MOVED.
ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, OPPOSED HEARING NONE.
YOU CAN HAVE, THE COA CAN BE APPROVED, UNDERSTANDING THAT ONCE YOU GET ALL THOSE PICTURES AND EVERYTHING, YOU'VE GOT TO CONTACT HIM AGAIN BEFORE YOU START.
YOU'LL HAVE A BETTER, BETTER LOOKING FENCE.
SO NOW YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT WE HAVE WHAT WE NEEDED FROM 2 26 NEW STREET, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE PERSON HERE WHO'S GONNA PRESENT IT.
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IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? YOU GOT THE PIECE OF PAPER.MOE IS NOT HERE, SO THEY'RE NOT HERE.
SO WE WERE GOING TO FIND OUT ABOUT MILL STREET PARK STREET, CRANE.
WE HAVE TWO OPTIONS WITH REGARD TO 2 26.
ARE YOU GOING TO JUST WAIT AND SEE IF THAT MOST STILL SHOWS UP? YES, WE CAN WAIT AND SEE IF THEY SHOW UP AFTER AVE DATE, IF NOT, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT WORK WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THEM ON WHAT WE'RE GOING TO.
[3.D. 244 Middle St. and Pollock St., Middle St., and Craven St. Rights-of-Way – to include installation of cable access boxes flush with the surface of the sidewalk in the Primary AVC. (Part 2 of 2) ]
THE UTILITY MADAM CHAIR.UM, I WAS ABLE TO MAKE CONTACT WITH OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, MARVIN WILLIAMS, MR. WILLIAMS IS PRESENT IN THE CITY HALL COURTROOM AND CAN BE SWORN IN OFFER OF TESTIMONY TO YOUR SATISFACTION ABOUT THE CITY'S AUTHORIZATION OF SEGREGATES AND MOVE FORWARD AS THE APPLICANT.
AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT.
AS LONG AS THERE'S MORE TESTIMONY AND THERE'S EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD.
SO, AND YOU SPREAD THE BEST? I DO.
MADAM CHAIR, IN THE SPIRIT OF EFFICIENCY, I'M PREPARED TO ASK MR. WILLIAMS A QUESTION OR TWO, JUST TO LAY THAT FOUNDATION ON THE RECORD.
IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO, YES MA'AM.
MR. WILLIAMS, IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR, UH, HOW IT IS THAT YOUR EMPLOYER FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE? MARVIN WILLIAMS, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, AND MR. WILLIAMS IN YOUR CAPACITY AS THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH, IS APPLICATION TO INSTALL A UTILITY IN DOWNTOWN NEWBURGH? I AM.
DOES THE CITY OF NEWBURN BY AND THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE CONSENT TO THE NEW BERN HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION, I'M SORRY, HPC HEARING THE APPLICATION, UM, THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED BY SEGRA AS IT RELATES TO THE PROJECT.
UH, MY LAST INTERACTION WITH THE EMAIL, UH, WITH THEM WAS REGARDING, THEY PRESENTED US SOME, UH, EXAMPLES OF A PROJECT THAT THEY'VE DONE PREVIOUSLY.
IT WAS WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT WHO INDICATED THAT THEY STILL WANTED TO REVIEW IT IF IT WAS GOING TO FIT INTO THE DESIGN THAT WE ALREADY HAVE, UH, NOT TO DISTRACT FROM OUR, UH, CURRENT, UH, VISIBILITY IN OUR, IN OUR SIDEWALKS.
UM, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, DEI DID NOT COME TO A DEFINITIVE ANSWER AS TO HOW THEY WERE GOING TO DO THAT.
AND I THINK THEY ALSO HAD THE QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT THEY COULD, UH, HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE ROUTE THAT WOULD NOT, UH, UH, REQUIRE THE, UH, DESIGN CHANGES ON THE SIDEWALK OF DOWNTOWN.
BUT, UH, AND THAT WAS THE LAST THAT I HEARD.
ANOTHER ONCE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT SEGRA HAS APPLIED TO THE HPC FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO DO AN INSTALLATION, THINK 2, 4, 2 44 MIDDLE STREET, POLIC STREET, CRAVEN STREET, AND THE RIGHT OF WAYS.
UM, AND IS THE CITY COMFORTABLE WITH THE HPC HEARING THEIR APPLICATION, UNDERSTANDING THAT THE HPC COULD APPROVE, UM, DID NOT, OR APPROVE THEIR APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS? I THINK THAT SATISFIES THAT REQUIREMENT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. WILLIAMS. THANK YOU FOR COMING HERE THIS AFTERNOON.
WE APPRECIATE NOW A SHORT CALL.
HI, HOW CAN WE APPROVE SOMETHING? THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE FINAL DESIGN? WELL, THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD FOR YOU TO REFLECT UPON AND MAKE A DECISION ABOUT WHETHER YOU SHOULD APPROVE DID NOT OR APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS.
PLUS IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR US TO ACTUALLY AMEND COS AFTER THE FACT, AS WE KNOW MANY HOMES HAVE BEEN AMENDED BECAUSE OF CHANGES IN THE DESIGN AND WE COULD, ONE OF THE THINGS WE COULD DO IS TO CONTINUE WITH THAT'S ANOTHER OPTION.
IS IT NOT APPROVE AND DISAPPROVE IT OR CONTINUE IT? YES.
THAT'S ONE OF THE OPTIONS SO WE COULD CONTINUE IT UNTIL THERE'S GROUNDS FOR CONTINUING.
SO IT MAY BE PRUDENT TO, TO REVIEW THE APPLICATION HERE, THE EVIDENCE FROM THE APPLICANT, AND THEN YOU CAN MAKE A DETERMINATION AT THAT POINT, IF YOU NEED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR IF CONDITIONS ARE NECESSARY.
SO NOW LET'S HEAR, OKAY, YOU'RE GOING TO START THE SUMMARY OF THE, UH, APPLICATION FOR, UH, THE, UH, SEGRA PROPOSAL IN THE RIGHTS OF WAY FOR THE CITY OF NEW BERN.
UH, AND WE JUST HEARD THE OWNER'S AUTHORIZATION TO PROCEED WITH THIS HEARING.
UM, AND THEY HAVE SIGNED THEIR APPLICATION, LET'S SAY WRITTEN DESCRIPTION OF THE, OF THE EXTENT OF THE PROJECT,
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BUT THESE ARE SOME OF THE DRAWINGS THAT MAKE IT MUCH MORE CONCISE.UH, SO THE PROJECT, UH, EXTENDS FROM THE CORNER OF MET KATH AND POLLOCK STREET HERE ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE OF THIS IMAGE.
UH, AND THERE'S, UH, MORE DETAILED DRAWINGS IN A MINUTE.
THIS IS THE OVERVIEW CONTINUES DOWN POLLOCK STREET ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF POLLOCK STREET, UH, WHEN IT GETS TO THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF MIDDLE AND POLLOCK, IF THEN TURNS, UH, ALONG THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE MIDDLE STREET, UH, AND THEN GOES DOWN THE FEDERAL ALLEY, UH, TO, UH, LOCATION, UH, ON THE PROPERTY OF 2 44 MIDDLE STREET.
UH, AND THEN THE, UH, PROJECT ALSO CONTINUES FROM THE CORNER OF, UH, MIDDLE AND POLLOCK STREET CONTINUES DOWN THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF PUBLIC STREET TO THE CORNER, TO THE SOUTHWEST CORNER WITH CRAVEN STREET, AND THEN CONTINUES ON THE WEST SIDE OF CRAVEN STREET TO, UM, A POINT ABOUT A THIRD WAY DOWN THE BLOCK AND ENDS THERE.
SO, UM, THAT'S THE OVERVIEW AND THE PROJECT IS A, UM, A NEW FIBER OPTIC CABLE LINE THAT IS BEING PLACED UNDERGROUND, UH, USING A BORING TECH, UH, BORING METHOD.
UH, AND SO THEY HAVE A FEW PLACES WHERE THE BORING AND THE CABLES COME ABOVE GROUND.
AND SO THEY HAVE A HANDHOLD BOXES, UH, TO ACCESS, UM, AND TO RESTART THE BORING MACHINE, I SUPPOSE, MAYBE, BUT AT LEAST TO ACCESS THE WIRES FOR MAINTENANCE AT A FUTURE DATE.
AND SO PRIMARILY OUR CONCERN IS ONLY GOING TO BE ABOUT THESE BOXES BECAUSE UNDERGROUND, WE DON'T, WE DON'T REALLY CONCERN OURSELVES WITH WHAT'S GOING ON UNDERGROUND.
SO HERE IS A, AN ENLARGED VIEW OF THAT CORNER OF POLLOCK AND METCALF STREET.
AND ON THE LEFT SIDE, YOU SEE SOME NUMBERS, ONES AND TWOS, UH, AND THE SMALL, UH, SQUARE BOX THERE, UM, QUITE A BIT LARGER AND YOU CAN SEE THERE, UH, THE TWO NUMBER ONES ARE POINTING TO A SQUARE BOX WITH H H FOR A HANDHOLD.
UH, THE RED DASH LINE THEN IS THE, UH, FIBER OPTIC CABLE GOING UNDERGROUND UNDERNEATH THE SIDEWALK, APPROXIMATELY CONTINUES DOWN THE BLOCK ALL THE WAY TO ESSENTIALLY THE END OF THE BLOCK HERE.
UH, JUST BEFORE HANCOCK STREET, THERE WILL BE ONE MORE HANDFUL BOX HERE, ACTUALLY IN THE GRASS VERGE, PROBABLY THE GRASS STRIP BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE CURB.
UH, AND THEN IT GOES AGAIN UNDERGROUND UNDERNEATH THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
AND THEN WE GO TO THE NEXT, MAYBE HOLD ON TO THE NEXT 10 HOLD IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF HANCOCK STREET.
UH, AND THAT'S IN THE SIDEWALK.
WE WILL SEE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS OF THESE IN A MINUTE.
ALL THESE LOCATIONS YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE NEXT PAGE, LET'S START ON THE LEFT.
SO THE CABLE, UH, HAS, UH, IS OFF THE PAGE ON THE LEFT, IS THAT LAST HANDHOLD.
AND SO THE CABLE IS NOW WITH THIS RED DASH LINE GOING UNDERGROUND UNDER THE SIDEWALK, ALONG THE PARKING LOT AND THE CHURCH ALONG POLLOCK STREET, AND THEN ALL THE WAY TO THE CORNER OF, OH, ACTUALLY UNDERNEATH MIDDLE STREET AND THEN TO THE CORNER, THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF MIDDLE AND POLLOCK, UH, RIGHT NEXT TO THE, UM, PEPSI STORE, UH, AND THERE, UH, THE CABLE NOW GOES IN TWO DIRECTIONS ACTUALLY, UM, FROM THIS HANDHOLD, UH, FIRST WE'LL TALK ABOUT GOING DOWN TO THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE HERE ALONG MIDDLE STREET.
NOW THIS IS THE EASTERN SIDE EASTERN SIDE, UNDERNEATH THE SIDEWALK, ALONG THE MIDDLE STREET, TILL IT GETS TO A FEDERAL ALLEY, THERE'LL BE A HANDHOLD THERE AT THAT CORNER.
AND THEN, UH, THE CABLE GOES ALONG
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THE FEDERAL ALLEY TO THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, UH, IN THE GRASSY AREA.WE'LL SEE THAT THAT'S A BORING PIT THERE THAT WILL NOT HAVE A LID TO IT.
UH, BUT THEN FROM THERE, THERE'S A SHORT SECTION THAT DOES GO TO A HANDHOLD, UH, ON THAT PROPERTY THERE AT 2 44 MIDDLE STREET, NUMBER 13 IS POINTING TO THAT.
AND WE'LL GO BACK TO, I'M SORRY, GO BACK TO THE CORNER.
UH, I MAY HAVE MISSED THIS UP.
THIS IS THE PEPSI STORE AGAIN.
SO NOW FROM THE CORNER OF THE PEPSI STORE, UH, THE LINE WILL CONTINUE THEN DOWN, UH, THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF PALLEX STREET, UH, IN FRONT OF THE VARIOUS STORES AND SHOPS THERE AND RUN OFF THE PAGE HERE.
UH, SO NOW WE HAVE TO GO TO THE NEXT PAGE.
EXISTING CITY, NEWBORN UTILITIES REPRESENTED ON THIS MAP AT ALL.
SO WHEN THERE WAS A, YEAH, VARIOUS OTHER THINGS, UH, YOU CAN SEE EVEN SHOWS TREES AND TREE PITS.
UM, SO HERE YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS NOW CONTINUING THE LONG PALLEX FREED ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE, UNDERNEATH THE SIDEWALK.
THERE'S A STREETLIGHT FOR EXAMPLE IS 43.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT 4 44 MUST BE A DRAIN INLET IN THE STREET, ANOTHER STREET LIGHT.
UH, THESE BLUE ONES ARE SOME OF THE UTILITIES, OTHER UTILITIES, BUT THE RED ONE CONTINUES.
AND AT THE SOUVENIR SHOP THERE, THERE'S ANOTHER HAND HOLE AND THEN TURNS AND GOES DOWN CRAVEN STREET PAST ALL OF THOSE.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF WATER METERS AND THINGS HERE IN THE BLUE, 53, 4, 5, 6, AND SEVEN CONTINUES TO THE END OF THEIR PROJECT AT THIS LAST HANDHOLD.
UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S BETWEEN TWO BUILDINGS.
IT LOOKS LIKE NOW THIS IS THE CORNER OF THE PARKING LOT THERE AT MORGAN'S.
I BELIEVE SO THERE'S A PARKING LOT OVER HERE.
SO THERE'S, UH, PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS MEDIUM, THE BLACK LINES REPRESENT THAT I SUPPOSE.
UH, AND THAT'S THE END OF THE PROJECT THERE.
AND SO NOW LOOK AT THAT IN PHOTOGRAPHIC VIEW OH, I'M SORRY.
THIS WAS JUST AN ENLARGEMENT, THE NEXT, UH, UH, FEDERAL ALLEY PORTION.
SO THE VERY FIRST ONE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT CAT AND POLLOCK IS ALREADY THERE.
UM, I GUESS, TERMINATING PREVIOUS.
AND SO THEY'RE WORKING FROM THERE FORWARD, AND THE RED DASH LINE AGAIN IS WHERE THE, UH, PROPOSED FIBER OPTIC LINE IS TO BE PLACED.
UM, THIS GIVES AN IDEA OF WHAT'S INSIDE THE, UH, BOX THAT'S ALREADY THERE.
UH, AND THEN THE THIRD PHOTOGRAPH SHOWS THE VIEW DOWN THE STREET, ALONG POLLOCK STREET.
YOU CAN SEE THE AIRY, UH, ON THE RIGHT, UH, UH, AND THEN, UH, IT'S JUST GOING ALONG THE SIDEWALK AND BOTH OF THOSE PICTURES, THREE AND FOUR, NUMBER FIVE AND SIX.
SO NUMBER FIVE SHOWS, UH, THE HANDHOLD IS COMING UP ON THE LEFT OF THE SIDEWALK THERE.
I'M SORRY, I'M GOING TO, THINGS WILL BE JUMPING AROUND A LITTLE BIT JUST TO MAKE SURE WE CAN VISIBLE FOR YOU.
SO ON THE LEFT IN THE GRASS, THAT RED SQUARE IS WHERE THE FIRST-HAND HOLD WOULD BE, AND THEN IT'LL GO UNDERGROUND FROM THERE ACROSS THE STREET, ACROSS HANCOCK STREET, WHICH IS ALSO SHOWN HERE ON THE RIGHT-HAND PAGE.
AND YOU SEE WATER AND GAS AND ALSO RAILROAD TRACKS ARE INVOLVED THERE.
SO NOW WE'LL GO TO THE SECOND ROW OF PHOTOGRAPHS ON THIS PAGE.
THIS BOX HERE IS EXISTING, BUT NONE OF THE REST OF THE WORK IS EXISTING.
AND THAT BOX REPRESENTS WHAT THE REST WOULD LOOK LIKE TO.
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AND SO THEN, UH, UH, FIRST ONE ACROSS HANCOCK STREET IS THIS ONE HERE.IT'S A TO BE LOCATED TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IN THE SIDEWALK.
UH, AND YOU CAN SEE THE, THE, THE PARKING LOT IS ON THE RIGHT FOR THE CHURCH.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, IT CONTINUES ALONG THE SIDE OF THE CHURCH UNDERNEATH THE SNOW AND ICE.
I THOUGHT WHEN THEY WENT UNDER SIDEWALKS, PAVERS LIKE THAT, THAT THEY WOULD BE INVISIBLE WHEN YOU'RE DONE.
I THOUGHT THE DISCUSSION WHEN WE HAD THE DESIGN REVIEW IS WHEN YOU GO IN THERE, PAVERS SUCH AS, UH, ALONG POLLOCK STREET, THERE THAT'S A BOX, WOULDN'T BE A RAISED BOX.
IT'LL BE UNDER THE PAVERS AND BE INVISIBLE.
I THINK THERE SOMETHING THEY WERE DISCUSSING WITH THE CITY, WHETHER IT WAS GOING TO BE UNDER THE FLAVORS THAT WE COULD GO ON TOP OF THE PAPER.
BUT IN NO CASE, WOULD IT BE ABOVE FLUSH? YOU MIGHT BE ABOVE FLUSH WHERE IT'S A TRIP HAZARD.
I MEAN, COULD BE THE ONLY QUESTION IS WHETHER IT'S PAVERS THERE A BOX RIGHT THERE, JUST A COVER OR THE PAPERS.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH ON THE RIGHT, YOU CAN SEE IT.
SOME, IT'S ANOTHER PROJECT IT'S SORT OF DIFFERENT SIZE THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT IT'S ESSENTIALLY LIKE THAT ON THE LEFT THERE, ON THAT PHOTO, ON THE RIGHT.
OR LIKE MOST WATER METER COVERS AND THINGS.
AND I THINK WE HAVE, SO IT GOES ACROSS, THIS GOES ACROSS MIDDLE STREET AND ENDS UP NEXT TO THE PEPSI STORE HERE.
UM, AND THEN IT GOES IN TWO DIRECTIONS TO THE RIGHT HERE IS A LONG MIDDLE STREET AND STRAIGHT AHEAD IS DOWN POLLOCK.
SO WE'RE GOING TO LOOK, UM, UH, TO THE RIGHT FIRST, BEFORE YOU LEAVE THAT PICTURE.
SO TO THE LEFT OF THAT, THERE'S ALREADY SOME KIND OF BOX RIGHT THERE.
THERE'S ALREADY SOMETHING THERE.
SO AT WHAT POINT DO WE HAVE JUST BOXES UP AND DOWN THE SIDEWALK, UH, IS THE PROPOSAL THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH TONIGHT TO HAVE THE BOX UNDER THE PAVERS OR, OR NOT.
WE PREFER TO HAVE THEM ON TOP OF THE PAVERS.
AND THE REASON BEING IS, OR FLUSH, FLUSH WITH THE PAPERS.
SO REASON BEING IS IF ANOTHER BUSINESS WANTS TO COME IN AND ACCESS OUR FIRE, WE WON'T HAVE TO SHUT DOWN THE SIDEWALK AND COME BACK IN AND CAUSE ANOTHER MESS PULLING UP PAVERS, THEN RESET THEM.
HONESTLY, WHEN PEOPLE ARE WALKING, YEP.
IT'S FAR EASIER TO ACCESS AND BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN IF THERE'S AN OUTAGE AND WE NEED TO GET INTO THAT BOX.
IT'S EASIER TO ACCESS IT AS BOXES.
IF NOT, WE'LL HAVE TO COME DOWN HERE, POSSIBLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND PULL UP PAPERS AND TO ACCESS THE BOX.
IF IT'S UNDER THE PAPER, IF WE HAVE TO MAKE A SMALLER BOX, RIGHT NOW, THING IS PROPOSED FOR 35, 48, 36.
WE CAN GO DOWN AND DO A 24 INCH BOX, WHICH IS A LITTLE SMALLER IT'S PARTICULARLY WHAT WE USUALLY DO DOWNTOWN, JUST BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT BOXES ALL OVER THE PLACE.
WHAT WAS THE SMALLER SIZE? 24 BY 36.
SO THIS HANDHELD WOULDN'T BUY THE PEPSI STORE.
IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE FLUSHED WITH THE PAPERS.
UNLESS YOU'RE LOOKING DOWN, YOU WOULDN'T KNOW YOUR STUFF.
SO THEY'RE CURRENTLY PROPOSING JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER ONES THAT ARE THEY'RE FLUSHED DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HEARD OF THIS.
THERE ARE SEVERAL ONES I FELT WHEN I CAME TO THE FIRST MEETING, I THOUGHT WE WERE ALL UNDERSTANDING.
THEY'RE ALL GOING TO BE FLUSHED WITH THE PAPERS.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE UNDER THE PAPERS.
ONCE THE BOX SAID, WE CAN BUILD THE PAVERS BACK AROUND THE BOX, BUT THE LID WILL STILL BE EXPOSED.
THERE'S NO, NO WAY AESTHETICALLY TO KEEP THE BOXES ON THE LEFT OR THE RIGHT OF THE SIDEWALK IN ORDER TO NOT TO LOOK LIKE A, LIKE A JUMP HOPSCOTCH THING, GOING UP AND DOWN THAT SIDEWALK, WE CAN DEPENDS ON WHERE THE EXISTING UTILITIES ARE LYING.
SO SOMETIMES WHEN WE GO DOWN THE SIDEWALK, THERE MIGHT BE WATER.
THERE MIGHT BE POWER AND WE HAVE TO FIT OUR UTILITY IN BETWEEN THOSE.
SO WE CAN'T SET A BOX ON TOP OF THE POWER.
WE CAN'T SET THE BOX ON TOP OF THE WATER AND WE CAN'T SET THE BOX ON THE TOP OF A SEWAGE.
IT'S JUST SO MUCH MONEY SPENT TO MAKE THE SIDEWALK SYSTEMIC AND FOR THE CITY TO HAVE TO GO NOW AND MAKE A CHECKERBOARD OF UTILITY BOXES.
IT'S KIND OF A STEP FORWARD, 10 STEPS BACKWARDS, IN MY OPINION.
UM, I MEAN, IT'S ALWAYS THAT BEAUTIFUL MESH OF AESTHETICS AND FUNCTION, RIGHT? OH, YES.
MA'AM UNFORTUNATELY THE BOXES HAVE TO GO ON
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TOP.IF WE HAVE TO BURY THE BOXES UNDER THE PAVERS, AND THAT'S WHAT THE CITY DECIDE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.
UM, IS THERE ANY WAY TO MAKE THE COLOR INSTEAD OF CONCRETE COLOR? THE SAME COLOR IS THAT WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING INTO TRYING TO MATCH THE BOX WITH THE SAME COLOR PAPERS WITH A DECORATIVE LID.
SO IT DOESN'T STICK OUT AND IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A CONCRETE BOX THERE.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING INTO.
THERE IS AN OPTION TO BURY THEM UNDER EXISTING PAVERS.
SO THEY LOOK JUST LIKE, IT LOOKS NOW, THAT'S WHAT I'M BEING TOLD.
BEFORE I CAME TO THE MEETING, I WAS TOLD THAT THAT WE MIGHT HAVE TO BURY THE BOXES UNDER THE FLAVORS WE PREFER NOT TO JUST BECAUSE ACCESS FOR OTHER BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN.
UM, WHAT DO YOU MEAN ACCESS FOR OTHER BUSINESSES? UH, JUST A FUN EXAMPLE OF THE PEPSI STORE.
IF THEY DECIDED THAT THEY WANTED TO SURFACE WITH CETERA, THEN WE'D BE ABLE TO EASILY ACCESS AND TO BE ABLE TO BUILD INTO THEIR STORE AND PROVIDE THEM WITH THAT.
WHAT'S YOUR INTENTION IS TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN, RIGHT? THIS, THIS BUILD THAT WE'RE DOING IS REALLY FOR US CELLULAR, BUT IT'S ALLOWING US TO BRING A LARGER CABLE IN FOR BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE FIBER ACCESS.
AND THERE COULD BE MANY MORE VENDORS ON THIS SAME CABLE OTHER THAN US SELLING, CORRECT? YES.
ONCE THAT PIPES IN THE GROUND, WE CAN PULL WIRE.
THERE ARE SEVERAL BOXES DOWN, DOWN, DOWN HERE.
NOW APPEARS TO ME THAT A CROWN CASTLE IS PROBABLY COME THROUGH THIS BEFORE I SEEN A BOX OF THEIRS.
AND THERE'S A SMALL CELL POLE.
YOU PROBABLY DON'T EVEN NOTICE IT, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE A LIGHT POLE.
AND THERE'S ACTUALLY A CELL TOWER, RIGHT? MIKE DOWNTOWN, EXCUSE ME.
EVERY BUSINESS CHOOSES TO PARTICIPATE ARE THESE BOXES AT THIS, AT THIS SCHEDULE, IS THIS CAPACITY TO SERVICE EVERYONE? OR WILL THERE BE MORE BOXES AS YOU NEED MORE DEMAND REALLY DEPENDS ON WHERE THE BUSINESS IS.
SO, SO IF I CAN INTERRUPT THIS YEAR WITH ALL THESE QUESTIONS, CAN WE WAIT? WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND GET THROUGH THE REST OF THIS BEFORE WE GET TO ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS, YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
SO ARE YOU, ARE YOU FINISHED WITH YOUR PRESENTATION? NOT RIGHT NOW.
SO IF YOU CAN FINISH WITH YOURS, THEN WE NEED TO GO TO CONFLICT OF INTEREST SO WE CAN GET THROUGH THESE OTHER PARTS NEXT PAGE.
SO NOW REMEMBER WE'RE GOING DOWN POLLOCK STREET NOW, I'M SORRY, MIDDLE STREET.
SO THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE PEPSI STORE HEADING DOWN TOWARDS FEDERAL ALLEY ON THE LEFT, ON THE RIGHT.
WE'RE NOW STANDING IN FRONT OF FEDERAL ALLEY, LOOKING BACK TO WHERE IT CAME FROM.
SO THERE'S ANOTHER HANDHOLD THERE.
THEN, UH, THE CABLE TURNS DOWN THE ALLEY AND THAT IT THEN GOES DOWN THIS ALLEY UNDERNEATH THE GROUND, RIGHT? ALL THIS UNDERGROUND, EXCEPT FOR THE HANDHOLDS, WHEN IT GETS TO THE, UH, OPENING AT THE END OF THE ALLEY, LET'S SEE, THAT'S ANOTHER SHOT OF THAT GOES TO THE END OF THE ALLEY PASSES, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE TREES, ET CETERA, PROCESS, I GUESS, TO THE END OF THE BUILDING.
AND THEN IT TURNS LEFT AND ENDS UP IN THE GRASS THERE.
AND THAT'S WHERE THEY HAVE, WHAT'S CALLED A BORE PIT BULL PIT, UH, WHICH IS NOT A BOX.
IT'S A, IT'S A HOLE THAT THEY'VE ACTUALLY USED TO ACTUALLY DO THE BORING FROM TO AND FROM.
UH, AND THEN AFTER THEY'RE DONE, THEY JUST COVER IT BACK UP WITH DIRT AND GRASS.
SO FOR US, IT'S INCONSEQUENTIAL EXCEPT THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DO THAT.
UH, AND THEN WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE LEFT SIDE AGAIN, BECAUSE FROM THERE, FROM THAT PORT PIT, THERE IS A SMALL SECTION THAT GOES ACROSS THE GRASS.
UM, UH, I THINK YOUR PLAN SHOWED ANOTHER HANDHOLD BACK HERE IN THE GRASS.
AND THAT'S THE LAST ONE ON THAT SECOND? OH, HERE'S, UH, HERE'S THE PHOTOGRAPH FOR THAT? WHOSE PROPERTY IS THAT? SO THAT'S THE 2 44 MIDDLE STREET AND THERE'S ACTUALLY A SEPARATE PROJECT, A MINOR THAT WAS APPROVED A YEAR, TWO YEARS AGO TO ACTUALLY HAVE A CELL ANTENNA ON THIS BUILDING AT 2 44 WITH THE, UH, KIND OF LOOKS LIKE A CUTE TIP, LARGE PUGET, OR LIKE A BIG MICROPHONE AND, UH, ON THE, UH,
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FEDERAL ALLEY SIDE OF THE BUILDING AT THE TOP ABOVE THE PARAPET.AND THERE WERE SOME CABLES AND SUCH THE GOAL OF THE BACK END BUILDING.
SO THEN GOING BACK TO THE, UH, CORNER WITH THE PEPSI, UH, STORE, UH, THE CABLES GOING UNDER THE SIDEWALK ALONG THERE CONTINUES ALONG UNDER THE SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THE NEW PROHIBITION EXPANSION, UH, ALL THE WAY TO THE CORNER WHERE WE HAVE THE SOUVENIR SHOP AND THERE'S A NEW HANDHOLD THERE.
AND THEN WE GO BACK TO THE LEFT.
AND FROM THE SOUVENIR SHOP, THEN IT'S GOING UNDER THE SIDEWALK AGAIN IN FRONT OF THE OTHER PORTION OF PROHIBITION ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE, UM, PARKING LOT, UH, NEXT TO MORGAN'S AND THAT'S THE LAST ONE RIGHT THERE.
SO I THINK, UH, THERE'S WHAT SEVEN TOTAL ANIMAL BOXES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, MAYBE EIGHT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COUNTED THE ONE IN THE GRASS IN THE BACK, BUT, UH, AND THE ONE BOARD THAT, ALL RIGHT.
AND, UH, SO THIS SHOWS THE, UM, THE BUILDING, THE BUILDING ON FEDERAL ALLEY, WHERE IN, ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE IS THE GRASSY AREA.
AND THEN THE CABLE GOES UP ONTO THE ROOF AND THE LONG HAUL ON THE ROOF, AND THEN HALFWAY DOWN THE ALLEY THERE'S THAT, UH, UM, ANTENNA.
AND I THINK THIS PAGE HAS THE, YES, THERE'S A DRAWING OF THE ACTUAL BOX.
UH, AND, BUT OF COURSE, ALL WE WILL SEE IS THE LID OR NOT, MAYBE NOT EVEN THE DECISION IS TONIGHT, BUT THAT'S ESSENTIALLY YOUR BOX AND WITH, AND THAT SAID, EXCEPT FOR OUR ZONING AND INSPECTIONS IS NONE OF THAT WAS APPLICABLE.
SO YOU FINISHED WITH YOUR PRESENTATION FINALLY.
SO ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS THAT HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH THIS PRODUCT? ANYBODY I DID BECAUSE I LIVE AT THE CORNER OF WHERE THIS IS GOING TO START AND, UM, I GOT A LETTER, SO I WILL, THEY WERE A WOUND THAT PATH, LIKE, I GUESS.
AND DID YOU GET A LADDER NOW? WE'RE NOT PROPERTY, WHEREAS I AM SO TRIP COMING, RUN.
THE TRIP IS, BUT HE KNOWS HE'S GOING TO RUN THE MEETINGS.
I'M GOING TO RECUSE THAT ARE ONLY CONFLICT.
SO WHAT WE NEED IS A MOTION FROM THE BOARD TO EXCUSE DR.
RUTH FROM HEARING THIS APPLICATION.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND MOTION.
UM, IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS APPLICATION? I DON'T SEE ANY, UM, IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS APPLICATION? AGAIN, THERE'S NO ONE, UM, WHO APPEARS TO WANT TO MAKE A STATEMENT, UH, WITH THAT SAID, UM, MATT, WOULD YOU PROVIDE US WITH, UH, STAFF FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS PLEASE? OKAY.
SO NOW THIS IS A, AN APPLICATION FOR SECORA OR THE CITY OF NEW BERN.
A PROJECT ADDRESS IS 2 44 MIDDLE STREET AND POLLOCK MIDDLE, AND PRAVEN STREETS RIGHTS AWAY.
UH, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY KNOWN HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME OR STATUS FOR THAT NOR INVENTORY DESCRIPTION OR SANDBAG DESCRIPTION.
UH, AND SO THE PROJECT IS DESCRIBED TO INCLUDE INSTALLATION OF CABLE ACCESS BOXES FLUSH WITH THE SURFACE OF THE SIDEWALK IN THE PRIMARY ABC, WE SUBMIT THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES AS APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR UTILITIES, 2.3 0.3 AND 2.3 0.4.
THE STATEMENTS OF REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION IN STAFF'S JUDGMENT
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ARE ONE, THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.THE STRUCTURE, THE, I GUESS, THE WORK, UH, IS IN THE DENSE FABRIC AND TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS.
THE PROJECT IS WITHIN THE PRIMARY ABC, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE HAD NO COMMENT ON THIS PROJECT.
AND THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COMMISSION APPROVE THIS APPLICATION TO INCLUDE INSTALLATION OF CABLE ACCESS BOXES, FLUSH WITH THE SURFACE OF THE SIDEWALK AND THE PRIMARY ABC.
UM, ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE BEFORE WE RESUME OUR DISCUSSION? YOU OKAY.
SO WE WERE ASKING SOME QUESTIONS.
I'M JUST GOING TO RECAP A LITTLE BIT, ESSENTIALLY WHAT I THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN IS THESE FOLKS ARE GONNA DIG SOME HOLES.
I THINK MOST OF THEM ARE PROBABLY IN THE SIDEWALK, SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO ANY PAVING REPAIRS, BUT ULTIMATELY THE, THOSE HOLES WILL BE FILLED IN AND RETURNED TO THEIR PRIOR CONDITIONS.
UM, THE PURPOSE OF THE HOLES IS SO THEY CAN DRILL HORIZONTALLY UNDERGROUND, UM, TO INTERCONNECT ALL THESE BOXES AND MATT SCONE OVER THE ROUTE THAT ESSENTIALLY RUNS IN A, I'M GOING TO CALL IT A LOOP.
IT'S NOT REALLY A LOOP, BUT, UH, UH, DOWN POLLOCK STREET AND THAT FEEDS INTO THE BUSINESSES.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
AND WE WERE HAVING A PRETTY GOOD CONVERSATION ABOUT, UM, OUR PRIMARY, UH, ITEM OF CONCERN BEING WE'RE ESSENTIALLY POTENTIALLY GOING TO SEE THE TOPS OF THESE UTILITY BOXES, WHICH ARE SIMILAR TO THE TOPS OF OTHER UTILITY BOXES.
THEY'RE CALLED HANDHOLDS, UM, THAT ARE USUALLY IN THE SIDEWALK OR, OR IN THE STREETS.
SO THEY GET THAT COVER PRETTY WELL.
SO, UH, WE, WE WERE ASKING SOME GOOD QUESTIONS AND, AND A CANVAS AND A NET, WE'RE MAKING SOME GOOD POINTS.
AND SO WHAT, W WHERE DO WE WANT TO PICK UP FROM THERE? I, I THINK YOU SAID THERE WERE 11 BOXES, EIGHT BOXES.
I WOULDN'T DRAW A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THOSE THAT, THAT ARE GOING TO END UP BEING PART OF A CONCRETE SURFACE VERSUS A PAPER SURFACE.
AND, AND I'D ALSO WONDER IF A LITTLE BIT, I NOTICED THE ONE IN FRONT OF MITCHELL'S IS JUST A COUPLE OF FEET OVER TO A GRASS AREA.
I WOULD THINK THAT WHERE POSSIBLE WE WANT TO HAVE THESE THINGS IN GRASS OR CONCRETE, AND IF THEY'RE UNDER PAVERS, THEY OUGHT TO BE UNDER PAVERS.
IF THERE'S A GRASSY AREA FOR US TO GO IN, WE ABSOLUTELY DO PUT IT IN THE GRASS AREA AND GRASSY, OR IT COULD BE PRIVATELY OWNED.
AND IT'S THE REASON IT'S OUT OF THE RIGHT AWAY.
WE HAVE TO STAY WITHIN, INSIDE THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY WHEN SETTING THESE BOXES.
SO I COULDN'T, IF IT, LIKE YOU SAID, MITCHELLS, THAT GRASSY AREA BELONGS TO THEM.
SO I HAVE TO STAY WITHIN THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY WITH THE FOSTERS.
YOU CAN'T SIT IT WITH THEM, THE AREA, UNLESS YOU GET PERMISSION FROM THE OWNER, IF YOU GOT, BECAUSE THERE'S ONE THAT YOU SAW LIKE BEHIND FEDERAL ALLEY, THAT WAS AN AGGRESSIVE AREA THAT IS OUT OF THAT IS OUT OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.
THAT IS FOR THE CUSTOMER WE'RE TRYING TO SERVE.
SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE SET THAT BOX? THEY'RE GOOD.
THEY GAVE US PERMISSION TO DO THAT.
SO WE, WE NEVER SET BOXES IN ANY PROFIT PLUGS, RIGHT? SO WE DON'T, WE TRY TO STRATEGICALLY PLACE THESE BOXES.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK AND DIG UP MORE PAVERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE'LL TRY TO SET THEM ALONG THE WAY.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK AND SET IT ON THE BOX IS WHY YOU SEE THESE BOXES, BUT THE RE THE REASON FOR HA NOT SUBMERGING THEM UNDER PAVERS IS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE TO GET INTO THEM AGAIN FOR FUTURE EXPANSION.
WE'LL ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO COME BACK AND PULL THEM BACK UP.
SO WE WERE SACRIFICING THE APPEARANCE FOR BETTING THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO COME BACK IN THE FUTURE.
I THINK CANDACE MADE A GOOD POINT IN THAT, UH, KEEPING IT TO JUST THE BACKSIDE OF THE CURB TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE AND NOT, I MEAN, I KNOW THIS IS JUST FOR ILLUSTRATION PURPOSES AND NOT AN EXACT WHAT THIS IS WHERE THIS IS GOING, BUT GIVEN NOT RIGHT IN THE MAIN PATH RIGHT.
SO IS, SO THAT'S ONE THING CANDICE MENTIONED THAT IS TO KEEPING THEM OUT OF HUMANE FOOT TRAFFIC AREA AND TRY NOT TO KEEP THEM UP
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LOOK.SO IT GOES BACK TO THE EXISTING UTILITIES THAT'S ALREADY THERE.
SO WE TRIED TO GO IN BETWEEN THE UTILITIES.
LIKE WE CAN'T GO OVER TOP OF THE POWER.
WHICH I'VE STAYED BESIDE IS DOWN WHEN YOU'RE WORKING IN DOWNTOWNS.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE WORK DOWNTOWN WILMINGTON, CHARLESTON, ALL THE OTHER DOWNTOWNS.
IT'S VERY, IT'S A FINE LINE BECAUSE THERE'S SUDDENLY THE OTHER UTILITIES DOWN THERE.
SO IF YOU'RE GOING DOWN AND YOU JUST CAN'T MAKE A TURN OVER THE TOP OF WHATEVER OTHER UTILITY IS SITTING.
SO, SO LET'S, I MEAN, DO YOU WANT TO, THERE'S ONLY EIGHT, RIGHT? DO YOU WANT TO GO AT THEM ONE AT A TIME, BUT BEFORE WE WOULD DO THAT, I REALLY HAVE A COMMENT.
I AM ALL FOR UPDATING AND MAKING US INTO OUR CURRENT CENTURY, BUT I'M ALSO ALL FOR APPEARANCE.
AND I, I HONESTLY DON'T THINK THAT IF THIS WAS ANY OTHER CITY, THEN EXPANSION MAY NOT EVEN BE AN ISSUE.
BUT FOR HERE, I THINK PUTTING THOSE EIGHT BOXES UNDERNEATH THE PAVERS IS THE, IS THE WAY TO GO.
AND IT GIVES US FUNCTION AND IT GIVES US THE PARENTS.
WE MOVED IF WE PUT THOSE BOXES ON THE TOP AND THAT'S MY PERSONAL, ALL RIGHT.
WHAT OTHER KIND OF QUESTIONS DO WE HAVE? I HAVE A QUESTION INITIALLY, YOU HAD SAID YOU'D PUT THE CABLES AT FATHI, BUT NOW YOU'RE SAYING FOUR FEET.
WAS THERE A REASON FOR THAT CHANGE? UH, I DON'T REMEMBER WAS THAT THE LAST GENTLEMAN LET'S TALK AND IN THE LAST MEETING WE HAD, YEAH, THEY SHOULD ALL BE WHATEVER WHATEVER'S ENGINEERED ON.
THESE DRAWINGS HERE THAT TELLS US TO BE 10 FOOT WILL BE 10 FOOT.
IS THAT FIVE FOOT? I BELIEVE THESE ARE FIVE FOOT, FOUR FEET ALL THE WAY IT COULD, IT COULD VARY IN DEPTH.
LIKE WHEN WE GO ON TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS, WE HAVE TO GO, I BELIEVE IT'S 10 FOOT UNDER THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND COME BACK UP.
AND I NOTICED SOME OF THE CABLES ARE GOING VERY CLOSE TO TREES.
IS THERE ANY HISTORY OF IT DESTROYING ANY ARE BOTHERING TREATMENTS? WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY HISTORY OF DESTROYING ANY TREES AND WE TRY TO KEEP THEM AWAY FROM THE TREES AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE OF ROOTS.
SO WE'LL GO DEEP ENOUGH UNDER THE TREE.
AND I NOTICED THAT THE CABLE, THERE WAS NOT A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT IT HAD WHAT'S THE HISTORY WITH THOSE CABLES.
DO THEY LAST A LONG TIME? HOW DO YOU GET TO THEM WHEN YOU HAVE TO REPAIR OR DO YOU HAVE TO REPAIR SO ALL THE TIME? SO THE ONLY TIME WE'D HAVE TO DO AN UNDERGROUND REPAIR IS IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER UTILITY COMPANY COMING IN AND THEY, FOR THROUGH OUR FIBER, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO COME OUT.
WE'LL HAVE TO DIG IT UP AND THEN REPAIR THE FIBER IN THAT THAT'S AN, A LIKE, AND AMIDST, WE CALL IT A MID-SPAN BREAK.
THAT MEANS OUR CABLES ON THE GROUND.
WE HAVE NO HANDHOLDS OR ANYTHING BESIDE IT.
SO WE'D COME IN AND SOMEBODY HIT US IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT CABLE WOULD COME IN AND DIG THAT UP.
WE'D PULL A NEW FIBER THROUGH TO THE EXISTING HANDLES THAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN THE GROUND.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE PURVIEW OF THIS COMMISSION ARE THOSE ELEMENTS THAT ARE ABOVE GROUND.
I'M GOING TO TELL US THAT WE SHOULD FOCUS OUR ATTENTION THERE.
AND TO, TO YOUR COMMENT, I, I AGAIN SAY THAT IS A COST OF BUSINESS.
IF YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND ADD OR EXPAND THIS COST OF BUSINESS, BUT OUR, OUR JOB HERE IS TO PROTECT YOUR PARENTS ABOUT KEEPING DOWNTOWN BEAUTIFUL.
UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE WORKED IN CHARLESTON, I'VE WORKED IN WILMINGTON AND I'VE WORKED IN DOWNTOWN GREENSBORO, ANY IN ANY AND ALL THE DOWNTOWN.
UM, WE PREFER TO HAVE THE LIDS ON TOP, BUT THEY HAVE TO BE IN THE PAPERS.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT EITHER.
IT'S JUST, IT IS WHAT IT IS BECAUSE OUR, OUR, OUR FOCUS IS THE CUSTOMER AND TRYING TO GET OUR CUSTOMER BUILT.
AND MAYBE AT THE SAME TIME SERVER, SOME OTHER FOLKS DOWNTOWN THAT LIKE TO HAVE FIBER IN THEIR BILL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, PARTICULARLY ABOVE GRANT QUESTIONS? JUST ONE, ONE QUESTION, QUESTION COMMENT, REALLY, WHILE WE DON'T DEAL WITH UNDERGROUND THINGS, IF YOU HAVE TO DIG DOWN AND REPAIR IT, THEN IT BECOMES AN ABOVE THE GROUND.
AND THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE QUESTION.
SO I THINK WE'VE PROBABLY ASKED ALL THE QUESTIONS WE NEED TO ASK AT THIS POINT.
UM, BEFORE I ASKED FOR A MOTION, I THINK THERE ARE COVERED A COUPLE OF THINGS WE NEEDED TO COVER.
UH, THE MOTION MAKER NEEDS TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE BOX IS UNDER THE PAPERS OR EXPOSED.
IF THE BOX IS EXPOSED, I SUGGEST THAT WE HAD SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT LIMITING THE BOX SIZE TO ABOUT 24 BY 36.
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AND SO THAT'LL NEED TO BE IN YOUR MOTION.AND THEN LASTLY, I'LL HAVE A CONDITION, BUT WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT ONCE WE GET TO THAT POINT.
SO CAN ANY QUESTIONS, EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THE APPLICATION? ALL RIGHT.
CAN WE HAVE THE MOTION? I WOULD I MOVE THAT? WE FIND THE APPLICATION FOR, UH, 2 24 TO 24 MIDDLE STREET FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND POLLOCK, MIDDLE AND CRAVEN STREET RIGHTS AWAY.
AND PAULA MIDDLE AND CRAVEN STREETS RIGHT AWAY TO BE NOT IN CONGRESS WITH NEWBORNS CODE OF ORDINANCE, SECTION 15 DASH 4 1 1 15 4 29.
AND NEWBRIDGE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINALLY EFFECT UTILITIES, 2.3 0.3 AND 2.3 0.4 STATEMENTS AFFECT THE STRUCTURES CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE TO THE DENSE FABRIC INTACT.
WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS, PROJECTS WITHIN THE PRIMARY, ABC, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES.
ZONING ADMINISTRATIVE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THE PROJECT ACCORDINGLY PROJECTS, NOT IN CONGRESS WITH THE GUIDELINES, WITH THE CONDITION AT ALL HANDLE BOXES THAT ARE IN THE PAVER AREA ARE SUBMERGED UNDER THE PAVERS AND WHAT OTHER, OKAY.
SO, SO WE'VE, WE'VE GOT EMOTION YOU FINISHED YET FOR YOUR PURPOSES.
DO WE HAVE THE SECOND? I WOULD GIVE ONE SECOND AND THEN WE GOT A SECOND.
AND SO, UH, WITH THAT, WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE DISCUSSION AND WE MAY HAVE A LITTLE PROBLEM THAT, UH, THE NET HAS ALREADY POINTED OUT THAT THE 2 24 MIDDLE STREET ISN'T EXACTLY WITHIN THE CITY, RIGHT.
SO MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORIZATION WE NEEDED EARLIER.
SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT BE HANDLED AS A MINOR AFTER THE FACT, SHOULDN'T THERE BE A LEGAL PROBLEM, UM, WITH OUR, UH, DOCUMENTATION FOR TONIGHT IN THE SECOND CONDITION.
SO IS THAT OKAY, JIM? ALRIGHT.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE GOT A AMENDED MOTION.
EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THE MOTION.
IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL RIGHT.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
UH, KEVIN, WE HAVE A MOTION TO ISSUE A CERTIFICATE FOR APPROPRIATENESS, SO MOVE AND SECOND AND A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
GOT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
IF YOU WOULD JUST COORDINATE WITH MATT ABOUT THAT LAST LITTLE ISSUE FOR THE HANDLE.
I THINK IT WAS NUMBER 30 BACK ON 2 24.
AND ALL THAT WE'RE SAYING IS A SEPARATE PROJECT WITH SEPARATE COA.
AND SO IT'S A 1, 2 44 MIDDLE STREET.
WE'LL GIVE YOU A BIT, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO SEE ME NOW THAT WE'VE GOTTEN THAT STRAIGHT.
UM, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO BREAK MADAM CHAIR BACK TO THE BENCH? I HAVE A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THANKS FOR YOUR COOPERATION.
SO, UM, I NEED TO, BECAUSE I WAS TALKING TO THE APPLICANT, I NEED TO KNOW WHO MADE THE MOTION TO RECEIPT JIM AND TONY TO RECEIVE WE MISSED YOU.
SO PLEASE LOOK FINISHED UP 2 44 METAL PAULA CRAVENS COMPLETELY.
SO NOW WE HAVE AVENUE D THAT'S THE ONE WE HAVE LEFT, AND THEN WE WILL HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT WE WOULD DO ABOUT A 2 26 NEW STREET IF THEY'RE NOT HERE TILL AFTER THAT.
[3.E. 407 Avenue D - to include installation of an accessory structure in the Tertiary AVC.]
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ON ITEM E 4 0 7 AVENUE DAYS.RIGHT? SO HERE WE HAVE THE APPLICATION FIRST PAGE.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS JONATHAN FRIESAN FOR PROPERTY AT 4 0 7 AVENUE D THE OWNERS ARE JOHN AND ALICE DOW, AND HE DOES HAVE HIS OWNER'S AUTHORIZATION HERE TONIGHT.
UH, THE, UM, PROJECT IS DESCRIBED HERE IN NUMBER ONE, THE, UH, GUIDELINES AND NUMBER TWO, THE MATERIALS NUMBER THREE ON THE ITEMS CHECKED OFF REPRESENTING THE OWNERS AND HE SIGNED IT ACCORDINGLY.
AND HERE IS HIS, UH, OWNER'S AUTHORIZATION FORM PROPERLY NOTARIZED, UH, ACTUALLY TWICE, ONCE ONE FOR EACH OWNER, UH, THIS IS A SITE PLAN.
AND YOU MAY RECALL THAT WE HAVE ACTUALLY SEEN THIS PROJECT, NOT THIS PROJECT AT THIS PROPERTY BEFORE FOR A SIMILAR PROJECT.
UM, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT, UH, THIS, UH, ACCESSORY BUILDING 26 BY 35 FOOT ACCESSORY BUILDING BEHIND THE MAIN HOUSE.
AND HERE'S THE AERIAL VIEW OF THAT SAME THING.
SO TALK ABOUT THIS IN THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THIS IS THE SITE, UH, WHERE THAT WHITE TRAILER IS AND THE REST OF THE BACK HERE THAT PROPOSING THE NEW ACCESSORY BUILDING.
THIS IS THE HOUSE FROM THE STREET.
AND YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THE, UH, GARAGE ON THE RIGHT IS NOT PART OF THIS PROPERTY.
IT BELONGS TO THE PROPERTY BEHIND THE WHITE FENCE ON THE RIGHT.
UM, BUT, UH, UH, THE NEXT PHOTO SHOWS THEN SOME OF THE SURROUNDING, UM, THE CONTEXT, THE NEIGHBORS, UH, IN THAT BACKYARD UP TO THE BACKYARD HERE, UH, IMMEDIATELY ON THE PROPERTY LINE IS A 15 BY 20 FOOT, UM, MENTAL SIDE OF THE GARAGE SHED.
AND ON THE OTHER SIDE, SO YOU SEE THE WHITE TRAILER HERE ON THE LEFT, RIGHT? SO ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BACKYARD IS ANOTHER, UH, OUTBUILDING.
AND THEN OF COURSE, THAT GARAGE THAT I POINTED TO EARLIER IS ALSO ON THAT BACKYARD.
SO, UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING A 26 BY 35 FOOT ACCESSORY BUILDING, UH, FRONT OF IT FACING THE HOUSE WOULD LOOK LIKE THIS, UH, ON THE LEFT SIDE WOULD BE FACING THE HOUSE.
UH, THE PIPE IS ABOUT NINE FEET.
AND SO THESE ARE ALL, UH, RENDERINGS FROM THE MANUFACTURER IN THE BACKSIDE, THE LEFT SIDE, I GUESS.
NOW THIS IS THE BACK AND THOSE ARE ALL, UH, OBVIOUSLY NOT ACTUAL, UH, SITE BACKGROUND PHOTOS.
UH, THIS IS A SAMPLE OF A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL OF THE BUILDING, THE STYLE, BUT OBVIOUSLY NOT ONE THAT'S PROPOSED HERE AGAIN.
SO NOW YOU SEE LIKE THE SHAPE THAT, UM, OPENING THEIR WINDOWS AND DOORS, AND THEN, UH, PROVIDED SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE DOOR WILL BE THIS KIND OF DOOR HERE WOULD, WOULD THESE WINDOWS AND THE WINDOWS WOULD BE, UH, THESE DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS.
AND IT PROVIDED A SAMPLE OF A DOOR NEARBY GARAGE STORE NEARBY THAT THERE FOR THE LARGE DOOR, THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
UH, AND THIS IS ANOTHER SIMILAR ONE NEARBY, SO WOOD DOOR, UH, AND THEN THIS IS, UH, ANOTHER PHOTOGRAPH OF, UH, THE, ONE OF THE ADJACENT NEARBY, UH, HELP BUILDINGS,
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THIS ONE FROM 1920, APPROXIMATELY.AND THEN WE HAVE OUR ZONING AND INSPECTIONS, UM, REPORT.
SO THE ZONE FOR ZONING, UH, THE PROPOSAL DOES MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF LAND USE ORDINANCE AND CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTORS IS THAT IT WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT AND TO ENSURE THAT BOTH BUILDING AND FOUNDATION ARE ENGINEERED FOR 140 MILE PER HOUR, WIND SPEED, AFTER THAT, WE'RE READY WITH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO HAS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST ON THE COMMISSION? ANYONE, ANYONE WHO HAS ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE COMPLETENESS OF THE APPLICATION HEARING NONE, SIR.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE TO WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID AT THIS POINT IN TIME? I THINK IT'S PRETTY COMPLETE.
WELL, WE'LL GET TO THAT LATER, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT, OKAY.
SO THERE ARE NO PROPONENTS THERE, NO OPPONENTS OUT IN THE AUDIENCE.
UH THERE'S NO, WE BOUGHT THEM FOR THAT.
THERE'S NO, NO ONE IN THE AUDIENCE WITH RELEVANT EVIDENCE AND STANDING IN THE AUDIENCE, SEEING NONE THERE'S NONE WHO HAS ANY EVIDENCE OF TESTIMONY FROM ANY STATE CITY OR GOVERNMENT BODY IN THE AUDIENCE SEEING A SERVE A WEEK AGO, THEN TO STAFF FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS? ABSOLUTELY.
SO HERE WE HAVE FOUR, UH, JOHN AND ALICE YOW AND JOHN FREESON AT 47 AVENUE D UH, THE PROJECT IS TO INCLUDE THE INSTALLATION OF AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN THE TERTIARY, ABC O M UH, AND THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY, UH, UH, DESCRIBES IT AS HOUSE, UM, CIRCA 1926.
IT IS CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND THE DESCRIPTION THAT MAY BE RELEVANT, UH, SIMILAR INFORM TO THE HOUSE OF THE CORNER OF THIS BLOCK, WHICH TURNS OUT TO BE FOUR, FOUR AVENUE C, THIS L-SHAPED FRAME HOUSE, APPARENTLY DATES FROM THE LATE 1940S THAT IS TOPPED BY A SIDE GABLE ROOF AND HAS A PROJECTING FRONT BAY, A LARGE REAR WING, AND AN EXTERIOR END CHIMNEY.
THERE WAS A PICTURE WINDOW TO THE RIGHT OF THE ENTRANCE AND THE GREENHOUSE PORCH ON THE SOUTHWEST ELEVATION.
OTHER WINDOWS ARE SIX OVER SIX SASH AND SEND THAT HAD NO DESCRIPTION.
SO STAFF SUMMITS AND FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES AS APPROPRIATE TO THE APPLICATION FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, 2.6 0.1 AND TWO FOR DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1 0.1 AND TWO FOR WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION 4.2 0.4 AND FIVE WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS, 4.3 0.2 AND THREE FOR PAINT, 5.4 0.2 AND THREE FOR CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS, 5.5 0.12, THREE, AND SIX STATEMENTS.
A REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION.
AND STAFF'S JUDGMENT ARE ONE, THE STRUCTURE IS A, IT'S NOT A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE.
THE STRUCTURE IS A, UM, STRUCTURE IS RIGHT.
IT'S AN, IT'S A NEW STRUCTURE.
UH, OH, I THINK IT'S TRYING TO REFERENCE THAT THE HOUSE IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
UM, THE PROPERTY CONTAINS A STRUCTURE, WHICH IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE.
AND THE TYPE WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, UH, THE PROJECT IS WITHIN THE TERTIARY, ABC, ALL COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT CAN COME INTO THE ACCORDINGLY AND THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COMMISSION APPROVE THIS APPLICATION TO INCLUDE THE INSTALLATION OF AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN THE TERTIARY ABC.
SORRY, DO YOU HAVE ANY FINAL COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? UH, I GUESS WE'LL JUST SAY ONE THING IS IT'S PRETTY SIMILAR TO, BUT BIGGER THAN ADJACENT STRUCTURES, THE, THERE ARE MANY METAL BUILDINGS WITH VERTICAL SIDES.
AND SO WE TRIED TO MATCH, WE DID VERTICAL METAL, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO ALL THE OTHER STRUCTURE WE TRIED TO MATCH.
OF COURSE, THE WOOD DOOR THAT, UH, ON ONE OF THE ADJACENT STRUCTURES WITH, WITH THE ANGLE OF THE 45 DEGREE ANGLE TOP, I'M GOING TO BUILD EXACTLY THAT DOOR TO PUT IN THAT, PUT IN THAT SPACE AND PUT A WOOD DOOR ON THE SIDE AND THEN WINDOWS IN THE FRAME.
SO I'M HAVING A BUILDING BUILDINGS WITH OPEN.
MEMBERS, DO YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, ANY COMMENTS FOR THE GENTLEMEN AT THIS POINT? DOES ANYBODY COMMENT? OKAY, GO AHEAD, JOHN.
I APPRECIATE YOUR DETAIL THAT YOU'VE TRIED TO ADD HERE TO YOU BUILDING YOUR WORK BUILDING.
SO I, WHAT YOU'VE DONE WITH THIS, I, WITH THE OVERHANG
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EXACTLY.AND ONE OF THE FIRST RENDERINGS, IT GAVE AN APPEARANCE OF A, SORT OF A DEEPER OVERHANG THAN MAYBE WHAT WE SAW IN EARLIER DESIGN REVIEW.
CORRECTED THE FIRST DESIGN REVIEW.
THERE WAS NO OVERHANG AND THE SECOND DESIGNER REVIEW AND EDIT THE FOOT OVERHANG MATCHED THE STRUCTURES THAT WERE ADJACENT.
AND SO IN YOUR DESCRIPTION HERE, YOU SAY THAT YOU'RE GONNA ADD, UM, WOULD TO GIVE THE PARENTS WITH CHRISTMAS OUT EXPOSED WOULD RAPPERS.
I WOULD JUST, I WOULD ASK THE COMMISSION LIKE THIS NECESSARY.
DO WE WANT TO MAKE IT LOOK THOUGH CRAFTSMEN? UM, I'M ASKING THE QUESTION.
I'M NOT SURE TO GO TO THE EXTENT TO GIVE IT THAT LIVE.
I APPRECIATE ALL THE THINGS YOU'VE DONE TO GIVE IT MORE DETAIL AND TEXTURE AND DEPTH AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
BUT I WOULD ASK THE QUESTION AND I DON'T, MAYBE YOU'RE JUST MARRIED TO THE, NO, I PREFER NOT TO WORK, BUT I WOULD, IF IT NEEDED TO GET A, THAT.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M POSING THE QUESTION TO THE COMMISSION TO, LIKE, I WOULD THINK THAT THE APPLICANT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY WANT TO GO AND GIVE IT THE SORT OF PHOTOGRAPHS, MAN.
LOOK, I'M ASKING WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK ABOUT THAT.
AND THEN I THINK MAYBE WE TALKED TO THE DESIGN REVIEW THAT A SIMPLE SOFFIT ONLY UNDERSIDE, UM, WOULD ALSO BE ACCEPTABLE AS AN OPTION THAT, UM, BUT, UH, AS SORT AN OPINION, I THINK IT'S JUST IMPORTANT THAT IT HAVE SOME OVERHANG AS IT APPEARS IN THE GRAPHIC THAT'S ON MY SCREEN.
THAT ADDS A LOT TO BUILDING INTEREST.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ANYONE LIKE TO ADD? THE ONLY OTHER THING WAS, I THINK WE, WHAT WAS THE FLOOR GOING TO BE? JOHN CONCRETE.
SO NO ONE ELSE HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS I CALL FOR EMOTION.
I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO FIND THE APPLICATION, UM, FOR AVENUE D WHAT'S HER ADDRESS? 7 4 7 AVENUE D TO BE NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH NEWBORNS CODE ORDINANCES, SECTION 15.411 DASH 15.4 TO NINE AND NUMEROUS HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES.
AND FINDINGS OF FACT, MATT, BRING THOSE UP HERE ON MY SCREEN TOO.
UH, ASSESS RESTRUCTURES 2.61 AND TWO DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1 POINT AND TWO WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION 4.2 0.4 4.2 0.5 WINDOWS DOORS AND OPENINGS.
4.3, TWO AND THREE PAINT, A SELECT PAINT OF 4.5 0.4 0.2 AND 5.4 0.3, CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS, 5.5 0.1 5.5 0.2, THREE AND SIX.
AND THE FINDINGS OF FACTS ARE THAT THE STRUCTURE IS, UH, THE PROPERTY IS A CONTRIBUTING PROPERTY TO THE HISTORIC, UM, RIVERSIDE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE TIGHT, WEAK DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
THE PROJECT IS WITHIN THE TERTIARY, ABC, ALL COMPONENTS, MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES.
THE ZONING AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT IN COMMON AND IMPORTANTLY, AND THAT THE PROJECT IS NOT IN CONGRUENCE WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES, UM, WITH THE ONE, UM, UH, CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT IT'S THE AFRICAN'S CHOICE, WHETHER TO HAVE AN UN TANG, A SOFFIT, OR HE CHOOSE TO PUT THE RAFTERS, UH, CRAFTSMAN STYLE RAFTERS.
THAT IS THAT THE OVERHANG IS SUFFICIENT.
AND THAT IT'S YOUR CHOICE TO HOW TO FINISH OUT THAT DETAIL.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? DO WE HAVE A SEC SECOND BY BACON? ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ISSUE A COA? SO MOVE, SO MOVE DOWN HERE AT THE END.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND? I HAVE A SECOND OVER HERE ON THE SIDE AS WELL.
IT WILL PASS SO YOU CAN HAVE YOUR COA AND IF YOU'LL GET WITH MATT ON THAT,
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SEE YOU WELCOME.THANK YOU FOR COMING TO SEE IT.
SO WAS THAT PEGGY THAT SECOND SECOND? DID THE FIRST MOTION? YES.
[3.C. 226 New St. – to include installation of a shed in the Tertiary AVC. (Part 2 of 2) ]
2 26 WHO, AND THERE'S NO, STILL NO ONE HERE FOR THAT.SO HOW WOULD Y'ALL LIKE TO HANDLE THIS APPLICATION? WELL, I BELIEVE WE NEED A REPRESENTATIVE FOR AN OUTSIDE JUDICIAL HEARING.
SO DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO OPTIONS MADAM CHAIR? UH, THERE ARE A FEW OPTIONS BEFORE YOU, THE FIRST TONIGHT IS YOU COULD MOVE TO CONTINUE.
THIS APPLICATION CITING THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM THE APPLICANT AND THAT MOTION COULD CONTINUE THE APPLICATION TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING OF THE HPC, WHICH I BELIEVE IS IN OPTION TWO IS YOU CAN RECESS THIS MEETING BY RECESSING THIS MEETING.
IT DOES NOT END, AND YOU CAN RECESS IT INTO A TIME WHERE THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE TO PRESENT THE EVIDENCE THAT YOU NEED.
AND YOU CAN ALSO HAVE A QUORUM OF YOUR MEMBERS.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT PRESENTS A SCHEDULING CHALLENGE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONSULT WITH THE APPLICANT TO DETERMINE WHEN THEY MIGHT BE AVAILABLE.
UM, BUT THOSE ARE THE TWO BEST OPTIONS THAT I HAVE AT THE FOREFRONT OF MY MIND AT THIS TIME.
MA'AM SO COMMISSION, WHAT, WHICH ONE OF THOSE, WE'VE GOT TWO OPTIONS, WHICH ONE OF THOSE WOULD YOU MOST LIKELY? THE FIRST ONE MEANS THEY WOULD BE AT THE NEXT MEETING.
THE SECOND OPTION OF ME, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING WITH THE, IF I MAY AT LEAST ADD TO TWO THINGS, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS SAID THEY CAN BE BACK IN TOWN ON MONDAY.
AND THEY ALSO INDICATED THAT THEY'VE BEEN, UH, TRYING TO GET THE, FOR THE CONTRACTOR TO DO THE WORK FOR MONTHS.
AND NOW THERE ARE SOME NOW THEY'RE AVAILABLE NOW.
UM, BUT NOT A MONTH FROM THEM.
NOT THAT THAT'S EXACTLY OUR PROBLEM, BUT, UM, THEY CONSIDERATION, OKAY.
THEN WE HAVE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT JOHN LIKED TO DO.
DID, DID THEY LET US KNOW IN ADVANCE? WHAT HAD, HOW DID WE GET HERE? DID THEY LET US KNOW? THEY WEREN'T GOOD? NO, THEY APPARENTLY HAD, UH, MADE SUDDENLY NEEDED TO LEAVE TOWN AND THEY WERE NOT PREPARED TO PROVIDE SOMEONE TO STAND IN FOR THEM.
UH, THEY LET ME KNOW TODAY, BE EMAIL, UH, AND THEN WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM, UH, TO SEE IF WE CAN GET A, UM, A NOTARIZED, UM, AUTHORIZATION, WHICH WE DID ACHIEVE.
HOWEVER, THE PERSON THAT WAS AUTHORIZED IS NOT HERE.
SO, UH, SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT THE TH THEY'VE DONE THEIR PART OF IT, I GUESS, UH, COMMUNICATION OR WHATEVER.
UM, THEY, THEY WANT TO DO THIS BETWEEN NOW AND OUR REGULAR MEETING IN JUNE.
SO THEIR CONTRACTOR CAN START THAT'S WHAT A RECESS WOULD ACCOMMODATE THAT SCHEDULE.
WELL, THE RECESS MEANS THAT WE HAVE TO ALL GET TOGETHER.
AGAIN, GATHER MORE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE A CORE.
WE CAN'T DO IT LIKE AS A DESIGNER.
IN THAT CASE, THE INFORMATION IS ACTUALLY THAT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO BE IN PERSON INSTEAD OF HAVING AN OR HAVE THAT, UM, REPRESENTATIVE SHOW UP.
THAT'S THE ONE PIECE THAT'S MISSING.
AND COULD THAT MAYBE BE DONE ELECTRONICALLY? NO, NO JUDICIAL HEARING.
AND THEN THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING WE ALL GOT TO GET TOGETHER AGAIN, IT'S A SHED.
I WOULD SAY WE, UM, WE'RE NOT TABLING OR CONTINUING.
MY OPINION WOULD BE WE CONTINUE IF WE CONTINUE TO REMAIN.
SO CONTINUING THAT VERBIAGE MEANS THAT WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE IT UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING.
ONE MONTH, ONE MONTH FROM TODAY.
AND HIS WORKER IS ONLY AVAILABLE FOR ONE MONTH.
IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID, MAN? HE SAID HE'S AVAILABLE.
HE'S ONLY AVAILABLE NOW, BUT A MONTH LATER HE'LL NO LONGER BE AVAILABLE.
I MEAN, NOT IMMEDIATELY AVAILABLE OBVIOUSLY, BUT ONCE WE APPROVE IT, THEY CAN GET IT DONE IN A YEAR OR TWO.
HE ALWAYS IS VALID FOR A YEAR.
SO I HEAR THAT THE COMMISSION, WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS TO CONTINUE TO 26 NEW STREET.
I, UM, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CONTINUE TO 26 NEW STREET.
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SAY REGULARSO THAT'LL BE JUNE THE 15TH AT 5:30 PM IN THE, THE CITY HALL COURTROOM.
IS THAT ALL THE DETAILS WE NEED? YES, MA'AM.
SO THERE HAS BEEN A MOTION, MADAM CHAIR.
I DON'T KNOW IF I HEARD IT FROM MS. STONE.
I KNOW THAT IT WAS HER INTENTION TO STATE THE PURPOSE FOR THE CONTINUUM.
I'M SURE SHE MEANT TO SAY IT, BUT LET'S HAVE HER SAY IT AGAIN HERE.
THE APPLICATION TO GET THEM IN THAT AN APPLICANT WAS NOT ABLE TO APPEAR THIS EVENING, TO HEAR THE APPLICATION, TO HEAR EVIDENCE FROM ME, ACCURATE EVIDENCE FROM THE APPLICANT.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHO THE SECOND ONE, CANDICE, WE GET INTO A SECOND NOW.
AND THIS, UH, 2 26 NEW STREET WILL BE CONTINUED INTO JUNE THE 15TH AT FIVE 30 HERE IN THIS COURTROOM.
SO WE FINISHED ALL OF THOSE BUSINESSES, THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS.
[4.A. Awards Work Group Discussion]
OF BUSINESS, UH, WE HAVE ONE ITEM, THE AWARDS WORK WORTH DISCUSSION, AND I THINK YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE THIS DOCUMENT IN FRONT OF YOU.WE'VE DISCUSSED IT SEVERAL TIMES.
I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT BEFORE YOU AGAIN, THIS WAS A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT, UH, AS WE'VE DONE WITH, UH, OTHER, UH, ORGANIZATIONS IN TOWN, YOU ARE WORKING WITH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION FOUNDATION FOR THE, WHAT'S THE NAME OF THAT BUILDING KING SOLOMON LUNCH KING SAUL.
HE DIDN'T SAY THAT THING LAST.
SO WE'VE WORKED WITH OTHER PRESERVATION, UH, SOCIETIES HERE IN NEWBURN AND THIS PROJECT HAS THE NEW-BORN AND WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE NEWBURN HISTORICAL SOCIETY AND FROM THE BERN PRESERVATION FOUNDATION.
AND THIS IS THE DOCUMENT, UH, THAT, UH, AND MYSELF, AND THIS IS A DOCUMENT THAT WE HAVE COME UP WITH, UH, FOR THIS, UH, PRESERVATION.
SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THIS.
LIKE I SAID, YOU'VE SEEN IT SEVERAL TIMES.
THIS IS THE FINAL DOCUMENT THAT, UH, WE ARE INTENDING TO USE AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
SO JUST WANT YOU TO A LITTLE AWARE OF THAT.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS.
I JUST A POINT ON THE, ON THE UNDERGROUND, THE LAST THING.
SINCE THERE IS MORE DISCUSSION, APPARENTLY WITH, WITH THE CITY FOLKS OF POTENTIALLY OTHER DESIGN CHANGES, A BLOWER ABOVE GROUND, I WOULD ASSUME THAT IT'S COMING BACK TO US.
IF, IF THE ABOVE GROUND PART CHANGES.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? I THINK YOU SAID IT DIFFERENTLY THAN I WOULD HAVE SAID IT.
WE, YOU APPROVED THEM TO DO UNDERGROUND BOXES COVERED BY THE PAVERS.
SO IF THEY SOMEHOW, UH, WOULD LIKE TO REVISE THAT, THEN YES, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FULL EXTENT OF THEIR DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY WAS ON OTHER ASPECTS OF IT.
BUT IF IT CHANGED MATERIALLY FROM WHAT WE APPROVED FOR EXPECT EXPECTANCY, JUST LIKE, UH, OTHER PROJECTS, IT WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT.
AND SO ALREADY FOR NEXT MONTH WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT FOR A HOUSE AND WE'VE HAD PREVIOUS AMENDMENTS FOR HOUSES WHERE, YOU KNOW, UM, SOMEBODY CHANGED, UH, A WINDOW LOCATION OR A DOOR LOCATION OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THERE'S NO NEW BUSINESS ADMINISTRATORS REPORT.
DID YOU ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS? I DID NOT ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
WE DON'T, WE'VE ALLEGED YOU ABS UP AND SAY WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC THERE.
I MEAN, IF YOU NEED MORE, UM,
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SO W SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC, JUST, JUST SO Y'ALL KNOW, SEVEN A FROM THE HBC ADMINISTRATORS[7. HPC Administrator’s Report]
REPORT, THERE'S THIS IS A REPORT ON THE MAJORS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE.THE MONITORS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE, UM, B OBSESSION IS, UM, EXTENSION PSU.
SINCE THE PRIOR REGULAR MEETING, THERE'D BEEN ON ITEM C SEVEN C OTHER ITEMS OR UPDATE.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER ITEMS, ANY OTHER ITEMS, WAYS THAT YOU ALL WANT TO BRING UP PEGGY? ANY OTHER? I THINK THE QUESTION, UM, IF CLOTHING AND ON THE END OF MAY, IT'S CLOSING IN, ON THE END OF MAY.
AND MY QUESTION WOULD BE, ARE WE ON TRACK FOR REGULAR, UM, ELECTIONS IN JULY? AND HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO, UM, YOU WERE, UH, REGULAR TERMS AND, AND AT THE END OF JUNE OF EVERY, NOT EVERY THREE YEARS, RIGHT? SO AT THE END OF JUNE, SO THERE ARE TWO OR THREE OF YOU WHO ARE UP FOR REAPPOINTMENT.
UH, I DON'T THINK ANYONE IS TERM LIMITED AT THIS POINT.
UH, BUT I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE.
UM, IF YOU WANT, I CAN, UH, EITHER LOOK IT UP NOW DURING THE MEETING OR SHORTLY AFTER THE MEETING, I CAN PROVIDE THAT NOT NECESSARY, BUT, UH, SO THE PROCEDURE THEN, OR THE PROCESS HAS BEEN, UH, WITH ONE EXCEPTION, UH, THAT YOU WOULD APPROACH THE PERSON WHO APPOINTED YOU TO REAPPOINT TO, UH, AND THEY DO THAT AT THEIR, UH, NEXT, UM, UH, BOARD OF ALDERMAN MEETING OR THE SECOND NEXT BOARD OF ALDERMEN MEETING.
AND YOU WOULD WANT TO HAVE THAT HAPPEN BEFORE THE END OF JUNE.
UH, SO THAT SHOULD BE COMING UP RIGHT QUICK.
UM, SO I SHOULD PROBABLY SEND YOU ALL THE EMAIL OF THE, WHO THAT IS AT THIS POINT ALSO INDICATE WHO APPOINTED YOU, IF YOU DON'T REMEMBER.
UH, AND THEN, UM, THEN ONCE THE NEW APPOINTMENTS ARE DONE, WHICH WOULD THEN BE THE END OF JUNE, THE REELECTION OF OFFICERS WOULD THEN BE IN JULY MEETING OR THE FOLLOWING MEETING, DEPENDING, BECAUSE NOW, AS YOU MAY KNOW, THE ALDERMAN, UH, UH, THE SLATE OF ALDERMAN WILL CHANGE.
UM, AND WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHEN THAT IS.
SO THAT COULD BE IN JULY, AS FAR AS I THINK I HEARD RUMOR THAT IT MAY BE IN JULY, IF THERE ARE REQUESTS FOR RUNOFFS, I BELIEVE THE RUN-OFF ELECTIONS ARE SCHEDULED FOR A JULY DATE.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE DON'T KNOW IF SURE.
HOWEVER, THAT SAID THERE WAS A CONTINUOUS, UH, THERE ARE ALDERMAN SEATED EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR.
SO YOU EITHER GET ONE THAT'S OUTGOING OR ONE THAT'S INCOMING, DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU FIND OUT.
UM, AND FOR SOME PEOPLE, IT MIGHT NOT MATTER BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THAT THEY WILL BE SEATED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
I MEAN, THERE WERE SOME UNCONTESTED SEATS, FOR EXAMPLE, OR SOME THAT WILL NOT NOMINATIONS FROM THIS BOARD FOR POSITIONS THEN ARE SUBMITTED TO YOU.
AND WHEN, OH, SO, UM, IF SO, UH, SO I GUESS, UH, IT'S UP TO THE ALDERMAN TO DECIDE, UH, IT'S UP TO THE ALDERMAN TO DECIDE IF THEY'RE GOING TO REAPPOINT SOMEONE OR NOT.
UM, AND IF THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UH, CONSIDERING NOT REAPPOINTING SOMEONE, THEY GO TO THE POOL OF, UM, APPLICANTS THAT THE, UH, CITY CLERK HAS ON FILE.
I THINK I ASKED MY QUESTION INCORRECTLY.
I'M TALKING ABOUT OUR CHAIR, VICE CHAIR.
WE, WE GET, LIKE, WE BROUGHT UP THE MEETING.
SO W JULY IS THAT RIGHT? I CAN'T REMEMBER WHEN THAT HAPPENED.
THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING TYPICALLY THAT WOULD BE IN JULY AFTER ALL OF THE SEATS FOR THE HPC HAD BEEN FIELD THAT REQUIRED ALL OF THE ULTIMATE OF THE SEATS FOR THE ALDERMAN.
THAT DIDN'T FEEL WHAT I'M ATTEMPTING TO SAY IS HPC MEMBERSHIP TERMS GENERALLY TERMINATE IN JUNE, GENERALLY NEW TERMS BEGIN IN JULY.
SO IF ALL OF THOSE SEATS HAVE BEEN FILLED REAPPOINTED, WHATEVER IN JULY, THEN YOU'LL HAVE A MEETING IN JULY WHERE YOU WILL NOMINATE AND ELECT YOUR OFFICERS FOR THE, FOR THE YEAR TO COME.
AND THE NOMINATIONS AND THE ELECTIONS ARE ALL ON THE SAME DAY, SAME MEETING.
TYPICALLY THEY HAVE BEEN THAT'S THE ULTIMATE.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHO IT IS, BUT YES, AS FAR AS I KNOW, HE HAS DECIDED NOT TO RESIGN.
HOW DID YOU TOLD US DIFFERENTLY?
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HE DOESN'T NOTICE THAT HE DOESN'T, THAT I IT'S CALLED BUSTED TODAY.AND HE DOES NOT, NOT AWARE THAT RUTH, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT AT ALL? I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, JOHN, WHAT? JOHN BLACK.
I JUST TEXTED HIM AT THE, DURING THIS MEETING AND HE IS NOT AWARE THAT HE'S STILL ON THE BOARD.
THAT MAY BE AN ISSUE THAT SHOULD BE RESOLVED BETWEEN PERHAPS THE CHAIR AND THE, THE OLDER PERSON THAT APPOINTED HIM.
AND THAT MATTER COULD BE HANDLED OUTSIDE OF THE PUBLIC MEETING.
WE CAN LOOK, WE CAN LOOK OVER THAT.
ANY OTHER ITEMS AT THIS TIME? OKAY.
YOU BUY, MOVE FOR US TO GERMANY.