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THE SPECIAL CALL MEETING OF THE NEWER PLANNING AND DESIGNING BOARD WILL COME TO ORDER.
[1. Review and consider recommending the Board of Aldermen of the City of New Bern adopt the 2022 Land Use Plan update]
THE ONLY ITEM ON THE AGENDA DAY IS THE CITY OF NEWBURGH LAND USE PLAN, UPDATE, FINAL DRAFT, SETH.I HAVE QUESTIONS ONLY BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE, IT MAY SOUND NAIVE, BUT I'D LIKE THE DEFINITION OF EXACTLY WHAT THIS IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE ACCOMPLISHED BECAUSE I'M NOT TOO SURE EXACTLY WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THIS.
SO, SCOTT, UM, I GUESS THAT'S A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT THE CONTRACT SAYS AND I DON'T HAVE NO COPY ON ME.
UM, UM, SCOTT, WHAT WERE YOU, WHAT WERE YOU PLANNING ON? YOU KNOW, W WHAT WAS YOUR GOAL, YOUR GOALS? UH, OUR GOALS WERE TO LOOK AT MULTIPLE GROWTH AREAS AND FOCUS IN AND OUT GROW CORRIDORS AND UPDATE RECOMMENDATIONS ON ALL OF THESE, OF THOSE WITH THE FUTURE LAND USES IN THOSE LOCATIONS.
DO WE KNOW WHY WE ONLY PICK, DO YOU KNOW WHY YOU ONLY PICK THOSE LOCATIONS, UH, DURING THE PROJECT KICKOFF? SO THOSE WERE THE, THOSE WERE THE LOCATIONS THAT WERE COMMUNICATED TO US AS EXPERIENCING, UM, OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS, THE HIGHEST TURNOUT IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH.
SO IF I CAN JUST RECAP, CAUSE I'M TRYING TO WRITE MY NOTES.
I'M LOOKING AT MULTIPLE GROWTH AREAS.
WHAT WAS THE SECOND POINT? YOU SAID, YES.
OH,
ULTIMATELY THE THREE REGIONS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED.
SO, UH, UH, LOOK AT MULTIPLE GROWTH AREAS, GENERAL FUTURE LAND USE RECOMMENDATIONS AND UPDATES ON POLICIES.
AND JUST TO ADD MR. LOSER MORE BROADLY, THE GENERAL STATUTES REQUIRE THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO HAVE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLANS, WHICH THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF, AND THOSE PLANS ARE SUPPOSED TO CONTAIN CERTAIN ELEMENTS, WHICH I THINK THE CONSULTANT HAS JUST SPOKEN TO.
UM, BUT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO SET GOALS, POLICY AND PROGRAMS INTENDED TO GUIDE THE PRESENT FUTURE PHYSICAL, SOCIAL, AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CONSIDERATIONS TO INCLUDE SUCH AS ISSUES AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR GROWTH PATTERNS, EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES, ACCEPTABLE LEVELS OF PUBLIC SERVICE, HOUSING, RECREATION, AND EDUCATION OF NATURAL HAZARDS AND THE LIKE, SO THOSE ARE THE COMPONENTS THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN ANY LAND.
WELL, WE, AS A CITY, LIKE TO, UH, SIGHT SPOTS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE GROWTH THAT ISN'T GROWING NOW, IS THAT PART OF IT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE PART OF THIS.
UM, I'M NOT QUITE SURE I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.
UM, THERE'S THREE SITE AREAS, AREAS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, OTHER OTHER AREAS THAT WOULD BENEFIT THE CITY IF THE GROUP, OH, SO I GUESS THAT'S THE SECOND POINT.
UM, THE GENERAL FUTURE LAND USE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WOULD THEORETICALLY COVER THAT AS WELL.
UM, SO I, UM, SO SCOTT, WOULD YOU SAY THAT THIS, UH, DRAFT THAT WE HAVE, UM, WOULD REPLACE THE PREVIOUS, UH,
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LAND USE PLAN? THIS IS THE DRAFT THAT YOU HAVE IS AN UPDATE SPECIFICALLY TO THE ROAD.THERE IS, UH, AN UPDATE WORK THAT WAS COMPLETED IN 2010 AND OTHER SUBSEQUENT PLAN WITHOUT QUESTION, NOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WHILE WE HAVE AUTHOR IN SUCH A WAY TO MEET REQUIREMENTS ONE 60 D AND AS ONE OF THE PREVIOUS FEATURES LISTED THE SORT OF 10 ITEMS THAT TO, YOU KNOW, HERE ON THE SCREEN, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST TWO, UH, ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE FACT THAT, UM, WE KNOW THAT, THAT IT'S NOT AN EXHAUSTIVE ANALYSIS OF ALL OF THESE ISSUES, UH, AND THERE MAY BE OTHER ISSUES BEYOND THOSE GROWTH CORRIDORS, UM, THAT YOU NEED TO BE A PART OF OUR SCOPE, BUT CERTAINLY WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT SUBSEQUENT, UH, AN AND WORK, UM, COULD CERTAINLY CONTINUE INTO THE SUMMER, UH, BUILDING ON THE FOUNDATION OF THE REPORT.
AND IF I MAY ASK A QUESTION AND THIS IS, UH, RAYMOND LEG, UM, I THINK WHAT A QUESTION I'D LIKE YOU TO JUST CLARIFY FOR THE BOARD SCOTT THAT OUR PREVIOUS OR THE, THE CURRENT, UH, REGIONAL LAND USE PLAN INCLUDES NEWBURN RIVER BEING ENTRANT WOODS.
AND SO I BELIEVE THE UPDATE THAT YOU HAVE PROVIDED IS SPECIFIC TO CITY OF NEWBURGH ONLY.
UM, AND OBVIOUSLY SINCE THE 2010, UM, REGIONAL LAND USE PLAN RIVER RIVER RIVERBEND IS NOW INCORPORATED AND, UH, OR IS INCORPORATED, AND SO IS TRENT WOODS.
AND SO I PRESUME THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN, UH, UPDATES.
THAT WOULD BE MY UNDERSTANDING.
AND IF THOSE WEREN'T IDENTIFIED AS GROWTH AREAS UNDER THIS PREDICTOR OF OUR TIME, RIGHT? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PARAMETERS SPECIAL TODAY? YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FEEL FREE TO ASK LATER, AS, YOU KNOW, THINGS START TO COME UP, ESPECIALLY IF WE START MAYBE VEERING OUT OF THOSE PARAMETERS, OR MAYBE OTHER PARAMETERS SEEM TO BE NECESSARY TO CLARIFY SCOTT, DO YOU WANT TO, UM, I WOULD SUPPOSE EVERYBODY WOULD LIKE YOU TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THE DRAFT FOR US.
I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT A GOOD WAY TO START.
WOULD YOU SAY, OR DO YOU HAVE SOME FRAMEWORK THINGS YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT FIRST? WELL, I, I THINK THE BEST WAY THAT THEY DO ALMOST DO A PAGE FLIP THROUGH THE MOST RECENT AND UP-TO-DATE AND DOCUMENT, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT, AND MATTHEW, I WOULD EXPECT THE REAL GUIDE COMMENT, FEEDBACK, AND CORRECTION THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THIS MEETING SO THAT WE CAN PINPOINT, UM, WHERE WE NEED TO FOCUS JAMES, UH, AND EDITING AND REVISION, UM, CONTINUE ON IN YOUR SCHEDULE THROUGH THE BALANCE OF THE MONTH.
UM, UH, THAT SAID, UH, YOU DO REALIZE WE, UH, WE NEED A FINAL PRINTED VERSION BY MONDAY, UH, AND THE REST OF THE MONTH IS PROCEDURAL.
NO, I UNDERSTOOD MY, THE DIRECTION THAT I'VE RECEIVED IS WHATEVER COMMENTS COMING OUT OF THIS CALL THAT WE DO ARE NOW WE'LL DO OUR UTMOST BEST.
UH, THERE MAY BE COMMENTS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE, OR THAT ARE REALLY HEAVY LIFTS, UM, LIKE REDO ALL THE GRAPHICS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT AREN'T ACHIEVABLE BY MONDAY.
SO I THINK WE WOULD DO, UM, YEAH, WE'LL, WE'LL DO ABSOLUTELY WHATEVER WE CAN DO OVER THE WEEKEND AND MONDAY, UM, CAN GET AN UPDATED DRAFT.
NOW YOU'VE MENTIONED PRINT THAT YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T NEED A, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DISTRIBUTE THE FELT WITH CHRONICALLY THROUGH.
WE, WELL, I GUESS I MEANT, UH, PDF, UH, THERE'LL BE NO MORE, NO MORE, NO MORE ROOM FOR CHANGES AFTER MONDAY.
THAT WAS THE DIRECTION THAT WOULD PROVIDE AS WELL.
SO WHERE WE HAVE A COMMON UNDERSTANDING.
THE WORDS IN PRINCE WAS UNFORTUNATE.
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IT.I JUMPED JUMP INTO IT AND JUST KIND OF DO A PAGE FLIP AND WALK YOU THROUGH THE DOCUMENT.
I'M REALLY GOING TO BREATH ON CHAPTERS THREE AND FOUR.
THE THAT'S WHERE WE'LL, UH, WE'LL SPEND THE MOST TIME IN DISCUSSION.
SO, SO THAT THE MOST RECENT DRAFT, UH, WAS PUT THROUGH THIS MORNING.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS, YOU KNOW, GONE THROUGH LOTS OF MACHINATIONS AND DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS PARTICULAR ASSIGNMENT, INCLUDING MYSELF.
THERE WAS ORIGINALLY A DIFFERENT PROJECT MANAGER AND I STEPPED IN WHEN HE WAS NO LONGER AVAILABLE, UH, WITH MOM AND NICOLE TO, UH, TO THE POINT THAT YOU'RE SEEING NOW, THE REPORT, UH, WHICH, UH, OR THE UPDATED VERSION, WHICH IS TODAY'S DATE ON THE COVER IS ORGANIZED INTO FIVE PRIMARY SECTIONS.
UH, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN AND INTRODUCTION, UH, REVIEW OF EXISTING CONDITIONS IN A GENERAL WAY, UH, LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, CAUSE THIS ISN'T A FULL, COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE UPDATE.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE TRIED TO STROVE TO CREATE A SNAPSHOT OF, UM, ISSUES AND THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN EACH ONE OF THESE PRIMARY CATEGORIES RELATING BACK TO ONE 50 D UH, THEN DID A LOT OF THE ANALYSIS WITH THE GIS IN TERMS OF, AND THAT'S CHAPTER THREE, UM, THE FOCUS AREAS, THE CURRENT LAND USES LOOKING AT UNDEVELOPED AND, AND RESTRICTIONS ON LAND SUITABILITY, ULTIMATELY FOR DEVELOPMENTS BASED ON FLOOD PLAIN SOIL AND OTHER MAPPING COVERAGES.
AND ULTIMATELY, AND I THINK WE'RE SPENDING THE MOST TIME IS RECASTING SOME GOLD AND TOPOLOGY RECOMMENDATIONS AND ULTIMATELY, UH, AN UPDATED GRAPHIC ON, UH, FUTURE LAND USE FOR THE FOCUS ZONES AND THAT'S CHAPTER FOUR.
AND THEN THE FINAL CHAPTER IS JUST THE COMPENDIUM OF ALL THE, THE MAXIMUM, UM, THAT WERE ASSEMBLED AS PART OF THE ANALYSIS.
SO JUST QUICK, OF COURSE, LISTED FIGURES HERE, THE, YOU KNOW, SO I WON'T, I WON'T BE LABOR ON SOME OF THESE, BUT ON THE INTRODUCTION AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE WERE VERY MUCH FOCUSED ON, UH, UH, FOCUS AREAS, VERY MUCH FOCUSED ON THE FOCUS AREAS, LOOKING AT, UM, BRIEF THE DEFECT ZONES THAT THEY WERE IDENTIFIED EARLY ON IN THE PROPHET SAID TO WHERE, UM, THE MOST PRESSURE HAS BEEN OCCURRING OVER THE LAST 10 PLUS YEARS, UH, IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT AND ACTIVITY AND UTILITY AVAILABILITY AND ALL THE OTHER TYPES OF COMPONENTS THAT WE UNDERSTAND, UH, IN TERMS OF LAND USE PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
UM, WE ALSO OF COURSE, LOOKED AT THEM THROUGH THE LENS OF WHAT, UM, CHAPTER ONE 60 D REQUIRES AS PART OF, UH, LAND USE PLANNING, UH, PROPER WENDY'S PLAN UPDATES IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IN THE FOCUS AREA, AS THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE ISSUES AND THE OPPORTUNITIES FACING COMMUNITIES, THE PATTERNS OF DESIRED GROWTH ALL THE WAY THROUGH, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU IMPLEMENT AND WHAT ARE SOME OF THE REGULATIONS AND POLICIES TO GET THE TYPE OF GROWTH THAT YOU WANT? UH, SCOTT, SCOTT, I MAY INTERRUPT AT THE MOMENT.
I THINK IF YOU, UH, FIND, UH, THE WORD PROBABLY SHOULD NOT BE REQUIRED, BUT MAY, UH, THE STATUTE DOES SAY, UH, MAY OR, OR YOU CAN PUT SUGGESTS, UM, OKAY.
THAT WAS POINTED OUT TO ME BY THE SCHOOL OF GOVERNMENT.
SO, UH, IN OTHER WORDS, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE TO CHECK OFF EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE, ALTHOUGH WE MIGHT WANT TO, RIGHT.
SO IT'S STILL GOOD PRACTICE AND ALL OF THAT.
SO, BUT I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T WANT US TO HAVE PUBLIC OR ALL WOMEN OR OTHER PEOPLE, UM, SUGGEST THAT WE DIDN'T MEET NUMBER SUCH AND SUCH IN THIS, UH, UPDATE AND THEREFORE IT'S INVALID OR SOMETHING.
AND APPRECIATE THAT CLARIFICATION WITH THAT.
SOME ANNOUNCES ON THE RELATIONSHIP TO OTHER PLAN, INCLUDING THE, UM, THE 2010 REGIONAL LAND USE PLAN, UH, AS WELL AS THE REGIONAL WORK THAT WAS COMPLETED, UM, BY OTHERS ON THE QI AND HAZARD MITIGATION ASSESSMENT, I'M SURE THERE'S OTHERS.
WE COULD, WE WOULD BRING FORWARD, UH, AS WELL, AND MANY OF THE DOCUMENTS WERE REVIEWED, BUT THESE WERE SPECIFICALLY ELEVATED.
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AND JUST KIND OF IN THE INTRODUCTION OF THIS PARTICULAR DOCUMENT, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, UM, IS THE RESILIENCY AND HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN INCORPORATED BY REFERENCE IN THIS, YOU CAN READ THROUGH THIS QUICK ENOUGH TO DETERMINE THAT, UH, IT IS AND NOW WHEN YOU SAY BY REFERENCE, IN TERMS OF HOW TO GET FOOTNOTED, OR JUST REFER THAT WE'VE REFERRED TO IT AS, UM, A DOCUMENT THAT INFORMED THAT THE NOW, OH, NO, I MEANT MORE IN TERMS OF IT'S PART OF, UH, BY REF INCORPORATING THE PLANT RESILIENCY PLAN AS A PART OF THIS UPDATE, UH, FIVE PROGRESS.NO, NO, THAT IS NOT BY REFERENCE.
IT IS, IT IS INFORMED BY THE UPDATE, BUT IT IS NOT.
AND WHAT WOULD BE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT TO DO THAT? I CERTAINLY THINK THAT, UH, WE COULD DO THAT.
UM, THE, THE CHALLENGE WOULD BE JUST MAKING SURE THAT ANY OTHER THING THAT, THAT IS OUT THERE, THAT WE WOULD ALSO WANT TO HAVE THAT BY REFERENCE, AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, THAT INFORM THAT THEN THE POLICY, THE GOAL OF THE POLICIES AND ULTIMATELY WHAT SHAPED THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN RECOMMENDATIONS TO.
I SUPPOSE, AND IF, UH, UH, THIS MAY NOT AFFECT, UH, WHAT WE'RE DOING THIS MONTH, BUT IF, UH, UH, SAY IN TWO MONTHS OR SO WE, UH, THE CITY DECIDES THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA.
WE CAN CERTAINLY CHANGE THAT, UM, ON OUR OWN.
YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THAT'S TRUE IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLAN AND ALL OTHER DOCUMENTS AND WORK THAT COMES OUT OF THE COMMITTEE'S WORK, UH, THE FORCE WORKING AND, UH, AND OTHERS.
AND FEEL FREE THEN AS WE GO ALONG TO MAYBE POINT OUT MAYBE WHERE THE RESILIENCY PLAN HAS INFORMED SOME OF THESE THINGS, YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT DOING THAT ANYWAY.
UH, IN TERMS OF EXISTING CONDITIONS, UH, WITH THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE HAVE, I'M JUST GOING TO KIND OF MOVE QUICKLY THROUGH THIS PARTICULAR SECTION, UM, AND NOT REALLY KIND OF BE LATER ON SPECIFICS, BUT CERTAINLY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE GEOGRAPHIC PROFILE POPULATION HAS DEMOGRAPHIC PROFILES LOOKING AT SOME OF THE DATA, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, THOSE PARTICULAR POINTS.
UM, LOOKING AT THE, HOW THE PROFILE AND CLEARLY MAPPING THAT OUT, UM, THROUGH SOME OF THE GIS LAYERS AND COVERAGES, ESPECIALLY AS OPPOSED TO FOR A SINGLE FAMILY GROWTH IS SORT OF THE PREDOMINANT, UH, IN TERMS OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND CERTAINLY WHAT WE'RE SEEING AS WE MOVE INTO THE THREE GROWTH ZONES, UH, WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE REGIONAL LOCAL ECONOMY AND JUST SORT OF TAKING A, A PICTURE, A SNAPSHOT ASSOCIATED WITH SOME OF THE MOST RECONNECTED ECONOMIC STUDIES, BOTH BY THE COUNTY AND OTHERS, UH, AS TO WHERE THE JOBS ARE WITH PAYROLL GENERATED, ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE ARE.
UM, AND AGAIN, HOW THOSE START TO INFORM THE THREE PRIMARY AREAS THAT WE LOOKED AT, WHICH ARE THE DR.
MARTIN LUTHER KING JR BOULEVARD FOCUS AREA SHOWN IN THE PURPLE OR DARK MAGENTA, THE NP 43 FOCUSED AREAS IN THE NORTH, THE BLUE, AND THEN THE US NEGATIVELY FOCUSED AREA, UH, SHOWN ON THE SCREEN.
AND THEY SORT OF GOLDENROD YELLOW COLOR.
UH, LOOK THEN DID A QUICK OVERVIEW ON, UH, HERITAGE AND CHURCH VALUE ISSUES LOOKED AT, UH, DUNNING ZONING, UH, MOST SHOWN THEM THE BROWN OR IN RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL, AS WELL AS A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR, EXTENDING OUTWARD AND RADIATING OUTWARD FROM A DOWNTOWN AREA, FROM A HISTORIC GAME DOWN HERE, ALONG MLK AND UP THROUGH EACH OF THE FOCUS AREAS, UH, SOME OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND NATURAL HAZARD ANALYSIS AND WORK ON THOSE AS WELL.
IN FACT, ONE OF THOSE AREAS THAT WAS, UH, THAT THE RESILIENCY PLAN INFORMED, UH, SOME OF THE ANALYSIS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE NATURAL HAZARDS ASSOCIATED WITH FLOODING HAZARDS, ESPECIALLY THOSE ALONG
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THE COAST, BUT SPECIFICALLY AS THEY'RE OBSERVED AND OCCUR.UM, AND THE OTHER FOCUS AREA, UH, ON THE BOTTOM OF THE MAP, I NOTICED WE DON'T HAVE A, UH, AN EXISTING LAND USE MAP.
IS THAT LATER IN THE DOCUMENT.
SO THAT IS LATER IN THE DOCUMENT, THE MAP IS ON PAGE THIRD, NO PROBLEM.
MAYBE NOT THE RIGHT LOAD PATIENT, BUT THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
SO SCOTT, THIS IS RAYMOND LAKE AGAIN.
SO I'M LOOKING AT THE NATURAL HAZARDS MAP, UH, SORRY, NOT BACKTRACKING, BUT ONLY SLIGHTLY.
SO I REALIZED THIS ISN'T INTENDED TO BE A, UH, UH, A REPLICATION OF THE FLOOD MAPPING, UH, FROM THE, UM, FROM FEMA.
BUT ONE THING THAT MIGHT BE IMPORTANT TO IDENTIFY AS PART OF THIS, SINCE WE DO HAVE THE 1% ANNUAL CHANCE AND THE, THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD PLAIN, AND THE 2%, 500 YEAR FLOOD PLAIN, UH, INDICATED IS THE, UM, WE NOW HAVE PHILOSOPHIES ON IN, UH, AREA AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS ON THE NEUSE RIVER.
AND SO THAT MIGHT BE IMPORTANT TO IDENTIFY AS WELL, BECAUSE THAT WILL CERTAINLY, UM, UM, IMPACT AND, OR DIRECT DEVELOPMENT IN THOSE AREAS.
UH, AND I'M SURE WE CAN PULL THAT DATA POINT OUT OF THE RESILIENCY WORK OR OUT OF OUR COVERAGES AND ADD THAT AT THE LAYER TO THIS PARTICULAR GRAPHIC ON PAGE 21, SORRY TO BACKTRACK.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO ADD, UM, UM, THERE'S INCREASING CONCERN ABOUT OUR, UM, EXPOSURE TO WILDFIRES, UH, ESPECIALLY AROUND OUR NEWLY DEVELOPING PERIMETERS, UH, THE CHIEF, UH, PRIOR TO THAT HAVE SPOKEN TO ME ABOUT THAT.
UM, AND I WILL PROBABLY WHENEVER I HAVE THE TIME, WELL, UH, START TALKING ABOUT, UH, VARIOUS, UM, APPROACHES TO ADDRESSING THAT.
UM, AND WE WOULD PROBABLY LIKE TO HAVE SOME, AT LEAST SOME MENTION OF THAT IN THIS, UH, DOCUMENT.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADD ANYTHING, UH, ON THE MAT.
UM, UH, ALTHOUGH I HAVE TO SAY ALICE HAS, UH, PRODUCED SOMETHING I THINK 10 YEARS AGO.
SO IT'S PROBABLY OUT OF DATE BECAUSE OF THE, THE CHANGES IN OUR, UH, UH, CITY LIMITS AND SUCH, UH, PLUS ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENED.
SO, UM, BUT, UM, BUT AT LEAST GET SOME MENTIONED IN THE TEXT SO THAT THAT CAN UNDERGIRD POTENTIAL CHANGES TO ZONING OR, UH, BUILDING, UH, BUILDING CODES AND THINGS.
UH, AND PERHAPS WE GO AHEAD AND, UH, FROM, YOU KNOW, AS WE GEAR UP FOR MONDAY, WE ADD AT LEAST, UH, A COUPLE OF STEPS WITH THE PAGE 20 TO THAT EFFECT.
UH, AND SO, SO JUST KIND OF NOTED, UH, ADD A LOT OF THESE OWN, UH, IF, IF WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO ADD IT TO THE MAP, WHICH I HAVE RESOURCES SET ASIDE MONDAY TO DO THAT, BUT IF FOR SOME REASON WE CAN'T DO IT, WE'LL JUST REFERENCE IT ON PAGE 20.
UM, BUT THE GOAL WILL BE TO ADD IT TO THIS PARTICULAR GRAPHIC ON PAGE 21, AS ON TAX REVISIONS ON PAGE 20, OF COURSE, WILL SPEAK TO THE ROOT OF ALL OFF TO TONE AND HAS, UM, ONGOING CONCERN AND NEED FOR, UM, HAZARD MITIGATION ASSOCIATED WITH WILDFIRES IN THE REGION SPECIFIC TO THE CITY INCORPORATED LIMITS AND APJ.
AND I SUSPECT JUST AS A LITTLE BIT OF COMMENTARY THAT THAT WILDFIRE CONCERN IS GOING TO MORE OR LESS CORRELATED WITH THE, UM, UH, BOUNDARY OF CROTON NATIONAL FOREST AND THAT THOSE MORE SOUTHERN BOUNDARIES OF THE DEVELOPMENT AREAS GREAT WHERE THEY'RE BUILDING HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS OF HOMES.
UH, THE NEXT, THE NEXT PAGE 22, UH, TALK ABOUT, UM, LOCATION OF KILTY, UH, TRYING TO THINK, TRY TO ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT.
MAPPING OUT, UH, WHERE UTILITY TODAY.
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COURSE, UM, YOU CAN SEE OVERLAY THE GROWTH CORRIDORS, UH, IN THE AREA THAT WERE IDENTIFIED, UH, AND CLEARLY, YOU KNOW, IN THE MFA OF ITSELF WHERE UTILITIES DO NOT EXIST, UM, AT LEAST AT PRESENT, UM, IN TERMS OF, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THE WATER SERVICE AREA WATER AND ALL THE, THE ASSOCIATED COMPONENT WITH THAT.SO I KNOW IN YOUR TABLE OF CONTENTS, YOU INDICATED THAT APPENDIX, UM, WELL, SOME OF THESE GRAPHICS LIKE THIS ONE, WHICH WAS KIND OF SMALL, UH, HE ENLARGED AND SHARPEN IN THE, UH, UM, APPENDIX OR THE APPENDIX WITH OTHER THINGS, UH, THE APPENDIX REPLICATE THAT IT'S ON PAGE 59.
IT'S PROBABLY NOT A LARGE ENOUGH, I THINK THE, UH, THE, UH, THAT THE DEVELOPER COULD HAVE PUT THE ELECTRIC HERE AND MAXIMIZE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THIS MAP.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I'LL MAKE IN THE NEXT ITERATION YEAH.
OR GO TO 11 BY 17 FOR THOSE, UM, WHICH THERE'S A BUNCH OF THOSE IN THE REGIONAL LAND USE PLAN.
UH, ALSO CAN WE, IT'S HARD TO READ WHERE THE FORCE MAINS ARE WHEN THEIR LIGHT COLOR ON THE BACK WHITE BACKGROUND, AS WELL AS THE WATER MEAN, AND I'M NOT SURE WHERE THE WATER SERVICE AREA, OH, WATER SERVICE AREAS, SHADED.
SO WHAT IS THAT, UH, PIECE GOING UP TO THE, ON THE UPPER LEFT OF THE MAP THERE ABOUT 17 STUFF, IT'S A BLUE LINE.
IS THAT, IS THAT A WATER SOURCE AREA? THAT'S VERY THIN THE, UH, THE DARK LIKE NAVY OR ROYAL BLUE LINES.
NO, IT MIGHT BLUE GOING OFF, OFF THE PAGE AT THE MOMENT ON THE UPPER LEFT.
IS THAT JUST A VERY THIN WATER SERVICE AREA? THAT IS A VERY GOOD QUESTION.
I MEAN, IT MIGHT'VE BEEN SOMETHING, A CORKER, GIS PUMP.
THEY WANT THE LOOK THAT CORRECTLY, THE GUY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS, BUT I CAN, UH, I CAN HAVE THE, UH, IN OUR, OF DELL, IN OUR RALEIGH OFFICE TOOK CARE OF A LOT OF PIVOTS.
AND IF IT'S JUST A, A GLACIER.
WELL, POLYGON, IF IT'S AN ERROR THAT WOULD BE FIXED, BUT IT COULD VERY WELL BE, UM, UH, SOME KIND OF A WATER MAIN OR SOMETHING.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT GOES UP PART OF THE WAY AND MAYBE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, WATER MAIN EXTENSION THAT THEY CLAIM THAT CLAIM THE TERRITORY FOR WATER SERVICE AREA.
IT'S LIKE, OH, HOW DO WE SEVENTIES? YEAH.
I'LL KEEP THE FOLLOWUP ROADWAY COURT OR, UM, YOU KNOW, GOING OFF THE MAP.
OH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING.
I'M WONDERING IF I'M JUST CLARKS CLARKS.
DOESN'T USE THE CITY NEW MORGAN.
ANYWAY, THAT'S THE QUESTION YOU CAN CHECK ON YOUR END AND WE'LL, WE'LL CONFIRM ON THE CITY'S END IF, UH, IF THERE'S ANY, UH, WORST SERVICE HEADING OUT THAT WAY, THE, UH, YOU WERE 70 FOCUS AREA SEEMS TO BE ONLY ONE SIDE OF 70.
THERE ARE NO UTILITIES ON THE OTHER SIDE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
LET ME GO BACK TO THAT PATIENT BACK TO PAGE 22.
THEY GO RIGHT DOWN THE BOTTOM, THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT RIGHT THERE.
UM, IS THERE A REASON FOR THAT? I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S NO CITY SERVICES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIBS, ARE THERE, THAT'S THE WHOLE THING ALL YEARS COUNTY.
SO WHAT, WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER UTILITIES? UM, THERE'S, UH, POWER, RIGHT.
UM, UM, WHAT ABOUT GAS OR, UM, AND I GUESS SEWER, SEWER AND WATER YOU HAVE, BUT, UH, YEAH, THOSE, THOSE WEREN'T INCLUDED IN THE PARTICULAR, UM, AND I'M NOT SURE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU IF THAT WAS, UH, BECAUSE THE DATA WASN'T, UH, CLEAR OR NOT AVAILABLE, BUT IT CERTAINLY SOMETHING I COULD ASK MORE, UH, THE TEAM TO OVERLAY IT.
WELL, I MEAN, MY EXPECTATION IS CERTAINLY WHERE THERE'S BUILDING PERMITS THAT THOSE HAD A WHOLE OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE AS WELL.
UM, BUT IT WOULD BE ALSO GOOD, I THINK
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HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THAT, UH, IN TERMS OF THOSE ADDITIONAL COMPONENTS, RIGHT? YEAH.YOU DON'T HAVE NO WORD CAPITALIZED.
THE NEW FIRST LINE UNDER THE UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE, 2.8.
UM, THIS WAS THE THING VIRGIN HAVE SUBMITTED A WARNING.
UH, WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO SOME, EVEN WHEN I LOOKED AT THE MORNING, I CAUGHT A FEW TYPOS.
SO FOR THE MONDAY VERSION, WE'LL GET
BUT BACK ON TO 2.8, UH, I WILL SEE IF WE CAN GET OVERLAID, UH, POWER.
AND IT MAY TURN OUT YOU ANOTHER PAGE, RIGHT.
TO ME, IT COULD BE, I DON'T RECALL SEEING ONE, BUT, AND IF IT'S UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH SHOULD ALL BE INCLUDED PART OF UTILITIES.
IN THE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION THAT THOSE ARE THOSE AREN'T LAYERS THAT ARE SHOWN IN CURRENTLY.
I DON'T MEAN BACK INTO, UH, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION TALKING ABOUT THE NEW ORANGE ROOF, UH, AND ITS AVAILABILITY, UM, IN YOUR COMMUNITY.
UH, AND, UH, THAT BEING THE PRIMARY PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION COMPONENT, WE CERTAINLY HAVE IN THE POLICY DISCUSSION, UM, ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE THAT SUGGESTS CLEARLY THAT ADDING AND EXPANDING PUBLIC TRAINING TO ALL COMMUNITY HOUSING TYPES.
SO CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, BUILDING ON THE FOUNDATION IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE AT THE POLICY RECOMMENDATION.
UH, AND SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT TAKES YOU THROUGH KIND OF THE CHAPTER TO GENERAL ANALYSIS, UM, KIND OF AS IS THE EXISTING TRADITIONS SNAPSHOT THAT WAS PREPARED MOVING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, POPULATION, ZONING, UTILITY, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.
IF THERE ARE ANY, YOU KNOW, WE MOVE INTO ANY AREAS THAT ARE GIFTING OR LOOKING AT YOUR MAP, TRY TO ASK THEM LOOKING AT YOUR MAP.
WE WERE JUST ON PAGE 23, YOU SHARE THE ORANGE, YOU SHARE THE BLUE, BUT THEN YOU MAKE REFERENCE TO THE GREEN ROUTE.
UM, ORANGE, BLUE, GREEN, TAN, UM, WHERE THOSE ARE, WHY WE DON'T HAVE THEM, UNLESS THERE'S SOMEWHERE ELSE OR THE OUTSIDE.
I THINK THOSE MAY BE OUTSIDE MAYBE ONES THAT ARE OUT IN THE COUNTY, I THINK.
IT TELLS YOU WHAT THE GREEN ARE.
I JUST, I JUST FIGURED THAT THE ORANGE WAS JUST AN ILLUSTRATION AND WASN'T THE INTENT WASN'T TO SHOW ALL THREE OF THEM, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE.
BUT IT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED SURE.
CENTERS WITHIN THE DIFFERENT AREAS.
BUT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE THE OTHER TWO ALSO, THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM THEN, BECAUSE THEY'RE A SIMILAR SIZE AND ALL THAT ON THERE.
UH, NO, NOT UNREASONABLE AT ALL.
WE'LL, UH, I'LL TRACK THAT DOWN FAN.
WE'LL GET THOSE INCLUDED THOUGH.
AND AS YOU SAID, PROBLEMS WILL BE ON PAGE 24 TO CONTINUE THAT.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THE EXISTING CONDITION DETECTION THAT IS MISSING GLARING, UH, OR THAT WE MIGHT HAVE TIME TO ADD A COUPLE OF THEM.
SO DO YOUR GIS LAYERS INCLUDE, UM, SOME OF THE NATURAL FEATURES AS EXISTING? I KNOW YOU HAVE NATURAL HAZARDS AND THERE'S ENVIRONMENTAL AND NATURAL HAZARDS, BUT, UM, THERE ARE ALSO NATURAL FEATURES THAT BECOME A PIECE OF THE EXISTING CONDITION.
WE DEFINITELY HAVE THOSE LAYERS.
NOT EXACTLY YOUR WHY THERE, THEY DON'T SHOW UP IN THE VECTOR BECAUSE IT'S SORT OF, I THINK, AS YOU HEARD NATURAL.
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RIGHT.SO LET ME CIRCLE BACK AND THE, UH, YOU MIGHT HAVE THAT AND YOU COULD MAKE THAT PART OF 2.7.
UM, THE OTHER THING THAT YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW IS WE ARE ABOUT TO ADOPT A BRAND NEW EDITION OF OUR, UM, PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE PLAN.
UM, AND WE CAN, WE CAN SEND YOU GRAPHICS IF YOU'D LIKE, UH, UH, AND, OR, UH, WHATEVER INFORMATION YOU MAY NEED TO REFERENCE IT, UH, THAT WOULD BE UNDER PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION OR UNDER JUST TRANSPORTATION.
IT'S NOT PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, I GUESS IT'S CONSIDERED WHAT ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION OR ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION, WHICH THEN ALSO BEGS THE QUESTION ABOUT REGULAR TRANSPORTATION, LIKE ROADS AND BRIDGES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
NOW, NOW THAT'S PERHAPS WHERE THE REGIONAL LAND USE PLAN COMES INTO PLAY.
BUT, UM, THOSE ARE ALSO TWO EXISTING CONDITIONS THAT HAVE CHANGED SINCE THE PREVIOUS OR THE CURRENT.
AND THAT MIGHT ALMOST, UH, THAT, THAT MIGHT ALMOST BE WHERE AS MATT WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, UM, A SECTION THAT SAYS SIMPLY, UH, LISTS, REFERENCE, REFERENCE DOCUMENTS.
I MEAN, WE DO THAT ALL THE TIME IN OUR OFFICE WHEN WE'RE IN REFERENCED DOCUMENTS AND SAID, IF YOU REFERENCED THEM, THE CITY CREATES SOMETHING NEW AFTER THIS, THIS, UH, UH, LAND USE PLAN HAS BEEN ADOPTED.
UM, THAT'S A PRETTY EASY SECTION TO AMEND AND ADD A NEW REFERENCE DOCUMENT.
I MEAN, IT MIGHT BE A WAY TO DEAL WITH THAT WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO ACTUALLY GET INTO THE MEAT OF THE DOCUMENT.
UH, TO DEAL WITH THAT, ASSUMING IT DOESN'T CHANGE SOMETHING SOMEWHERE IN THE DOCUMENT, JUST THOUGHT, YEAH, THE GREAT CONGESTION, UM, WOULD YOU SUGGEST THIS, IF WE DO HAVE A LIST OF DOCUMENTS, SHOULD WE INCLUDE THAT UP AT THE INTRODUCTION AS TO OTHER DOCUMENTS REFERENCED AT THE TOP? AND THAT WOULD GO ON THE ATTENDANCE? THAT MAKES SENSE.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING IS RIGHT UP IN, UH, IN, IN CHAPTER LORNA, WE'RE UP IN THE FIRST SECTION ON THE INTRODUCTION JUST TO HAVE, UH, UH, ANOTHER 1.3 OR WHATEVER THAT IS JUST A REFERENCE DOCUMENTS.
AND THEN AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE ADDED TO, YOU KNOW, AFTER THIS IS ADOPTED AND THE CITY DOES SOMETHING ELSE BECAUSE THE CITY IS ALWAYS WORKING ON STUFF COURSE.
AND, UM, AND THAT CAN BE EASILY, UH, AMENDED TO, TO ADD A NEW STUDY OR WHATEVER.
I PICKED THAT ABSOLUTELY REASONABLE WE'LL, UH, WE'LL GET THAT ADDED AND THEN CIRCLE BACK BEFORE I LOSE THE THREAD.
UM, IF YOU SPEND A LONG, UH, I THINK THE BETTER EXHIBIT, THE ASSOCIATED WITH THE, UM, THE BIKE PED PLAN OR GET THAT INCLUDED, UH, THAT WE'LL GET THAT INCLUDED AS WELL.
THE DRAFT PLAN, LIKE WHAT HAPPENED? ALRIGHT.
ANYTHING ELSE ON EXISTING? OKAY.
SO BEING NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ON EXISTENCE, ON TO SECTION THREE ON THE ANALYSIS.
AND I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, AS, AS EVEN THE VERY END AND I APOLOGIZE, I CAN'T, I'M NOT DEREK IN PARTICULAR, UH, SPEAKERS AND THEIR NAMES, BUT THE INITIAL COMMENT, UH, RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS PLAN AND WHY DID HE SPOKE IT THERE? YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST TIME THAT THE FOCUS AREAS ARE SHOW UP RIGHT HERE IN THE ANALYSIS SECTION.
AND IT TALKS ABOUT WHY, UM, IT MAY ALSO BE USEFUL FOR THE READER.
WE BRING THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF EARLIER, OR ALMOST REPEAT IT, NOT VERBATIM, BUT JUST LIKE A, YOU KNOW, UH, IN THE INTRODUCTION THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE FOCUS AREAS AND THESE WERE SELECTED, SO THAT IT'S NOT KIND OF LEFT.
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YOU KNOW, NOW CHAPTER THREE IS EXPERIENCING OR SEEING EACH OF THE FIRST FIVE, JUST THE, JUST THE FALL GUYS REAL QUICK.IF I CAN STEP BACK, I GOT A COMMENT ON THE PUBLIC THAT THE, UM, ON PAGE 23, THE MAP THAT THIS A DIRECT COPY OF THE ARMED GROUP MAP PUT OUT BY THE COUNTY, IT LOOKS AT THE COUNTY, MAYBE PERSON, A COMMENT I'VE GOTTEN WAS THAT THE, UM, NOT ALL THESE LOCATIONS ARE CORRECT ON THE MAP.
AND APPARENTLY, I DON'T KNOW ALL THESE THOUGHT HARD TO LOOK AT THEM, BUT IF THERE ARE INACCURACY, THEN THE MAP THE COUNTY MADE, DO WE WANT TO KEEP IT IN OUR CORRECT? WELL, THAT'S BASED ON SOMEBODY FROM THE PUBLIC POINT.
UM, UH, WE COULD PERHAPS, UH, VERIFY THE SOURCE RICK PEARLS.
SO IT COULD JUST, YOU KNOW, WE COULD IDENTIFY THE SOURCE AS A CAPTION TO THE
I THINK SOME OF THE STOPS OR SOME OF THOSE STARS MAY NOT BE LABELED WELL, I GUESS MAYBE THE OTHER THING TO THINK OF IS THAT IT IS REASONABLE TO ASSUME ONCE THIS DOCUMENT IS, IS, UH, ADOPTED BY THE CITY.
IT'S REASONABLE TO ASSUME THAT THE COUNTY AND THE CURRENT SYSTEM THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE DEVELOPING THEIR SYSTEM, THEY'RE GOING TO ADD STOPS.
AND SO SIMPLY BY VIRTUE OF THIS BEING INCLUDED, REFERENCING THE SOURCE, AS MATT SAYS, IS PROBABLY, AND MAYBE THE SOURCE AND THE DATE THAT THE MAP WAS PRODUCED, WHICH IS ON THE COUNTY INFORMATION.
THAT'S PROBABLY THE WAY TO HANDLE THAT.
AND THEN WITH THE UNDERSTANDING OF COUNTIES CONSTANTLY WORKING ON CHANGING THE SYSTEM DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT IT HAS ALL THOSE CHANGES AT BE TRAPPED IN THIS DOCUMENT.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT'D BE, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO HANDLE IT.
I THINK TODAY, IF THERE'S ANY YEAH, WE'LL, WE'LL CHECK, BUT ALSO TO THE COMPLIANCE DEPARTMENT, IF THEY'RE ALREADY UPDATED, WE JUST PULL ONE, WE'RE HAPPY TO REPLACE THEM.
AND YOU FIND IT IN THE SOURCE THAT YOU JUST SAID, WE'LL ADD A TOPIC OR SUBJECT OR SUBJECT TO CHANGE.
AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT HAS CERTAINLY NOT SOMETHING THAT'S CONTROLLED BY THIS, A LAND USE PLAN.
SO MOVING BACK TO ANALYSIS, DINO OTHER QUESTIONS, SHOULD WE MOVE ON TO ANALYSIS? WE READY TO GO ON THIS SECTION? OKAY.
SO AS WE TALKED EARLIER, WE IDENTIFIED VERY EARLY ON IN THE BRONCOS, EVEN IN THE SCOPING OF THIS PARTICULAR EFFORT, UM, THAT, UH, THIS IS AN UPDATE THAT IS REALLY LOOKING AT WHERE THE GROWTH HAS BEEN OCCURRING.
SO 2010, UH, AND WHERE THOSE PRESSURES CAN YOU TO THIS TODAY.
UH, AND SO THE BALANCE OF ALL OF THE WORK MOVING FROM SECTION TWO REALLY NEEDED THE SECTION THREE IS LOOKING AT THOSE THREE FOCUS AREAS.
THE FIRST ONE TO FIND THE MLK BOULEVARD FOCUSED AREA OF 6,600 ACRES, UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, BRANCHES OFF THE NEW WEIGHTS BOULEVARD TO BROAD STREET AND MOVING OUT, UH, AND YOU KNOW, HOW TO THE TJ, UM, HERE'S A MAP OF THAT AND WE'LL GO THROUGH THE MOUNTAIN.
THE SECOND, THE SECOND
UH, AND THEN THE U S 70 FOCUS AREA DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, UH, SHOWN, UH, IN THE GEN, I'M SORRY, SHOWING HIM THE GOLDEN BROAD OUTLINE IT IN TERMS OF TOTAL AREA IS PROBABLY ABOUT HIGH VOLUME, BUT ABOUT 50% OF THE AREA WITHIN, UM, WITHIN THE TOWN, MAYBE, UH, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT MORE, A LITTLE BIT LESS, BUT CERTAINLY, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN DESCRIBED TO OBVIOUSLY THROUGH OUR ANALYSIS WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON HAPPENED GOING ON AND CAN GO TO CONTINUE TO GROW ON, UH, MOVING FORWARD.
AND SO ALL OF THE, THE ANALYSIS, THE POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS AND ALL THE FUTURE OF LAW, GENERALIZED PEOPLE REALLY
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SPECIFICALLY SPEAK TO THE REASONS MOVING FORWARD.THESE ARE JUST BLOW UPS OF THOSE ZONES.
UM, FOR SOME REASON, THE GIF GOT A LITTLE WONKY.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT THRILLED WITH THE WAY THE OUTLINE KIND OF, THESE ARE ZOOM IN THE OUTLINE A LITTLE MUCH.
WE WON'T, I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THEM TO CHANGE IT.
WE WON'T HIT THE FIVE MONDAY, BUT I THINK A FOLLOW ALONG, WE CAN HEIGHTEN IT A LITTLE BIT OF THE FLIP UP THE LINE MATCHES VERY PRECISELY WITH A DARK BLACK LINE.
SO, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S INDICATIVE OF THE AREA, BUT I THINK GRAPHICALLY, YEAH, I COMPLETELY AGREE, SCOTT.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS MY INITIAL KNEE JERK REACTION.
WHEN I LOOKED AT THE, UH, JUNE SIX WAS I DON'T CARE FOR THE FUZZY WHITE LINES.
AND SO I'M GLAD TO HEAR YOU SAY THAT.
UH, AND IT, AND THE OTHER THING TOO, SOMETIMES IT'S ALIGN AND THE VALUE SELLERS GET A LITTLE, A LITTLE NEPHEWS ROYAL ALONG THE FRONT OF THE BLUE LAND.
WE'RE LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT THAT WAS, THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME TWEAKING THAT WE CAN DO.
UH, HERE'S THE EMPTY 43 FOCUS AREA.
UH, AND THEN HERE IS THE U S AND THIS IS WHERE IT REALLY GETS A LITTLE, A LITTLE WEIRD WHERE THE GOLDEN ROD OUTLINE NOT MATCHING EXACTLY, BUT, BUT KNOW THAT THE, THE ANALYSIS AREA IS CONTIGUOUS WITH, WITH THE TOWN LIMIT AND WITH THAT BLACK LINE BELOW IT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE MY LITTLE HAND THAT THEY WAY TO GO FROM HERE.
THAT LINE IS, DID THE ANALYSIS THAT ALIGN WITH THOSE, UH, YOU KNOW, IN CITY LIMITS, GET REALLY FUNNY DOWN THAT WAY BECAUSE OF ANNEXATION AND IT'S A VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION THING.
AND SO YOU WIND UP WITH ISLANDS OF DEVELOPMENT THAT ARE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE THAT WONKY, AS YOU SAY, IS, IS, IS THAT'S A VERY GOOD DESCRIPTION.
SO WITHIN THESE ZONES, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A, AN INITIAL ANALYSIS OF WITHIN THE DOME, THE OVERALL OF THE CURRENT LAND USE, THIS IS ALL INFORMATION DIRECTLY FROM, UH, THE CURRENT, UH, GIF DATABASE WITH THE TOWN, UH, IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, ALL THE
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, ALL THE 20,000, 21,000 ACRES, YOU KNOW, THE MAJORITY OF IT IS OF COURSE, RESIDENTIAL FOLLOWED BY AGRICULTURE AND THEN DRILLING DOWN IN EACH ONE OF THOSE AS WE GO FORWARD, UH, EARLIER HERE IS, UH, THE VISUALIZATION OF THE THING LAND USE, UM, AND, AND THOSE AREAS.
AND THEN WHAT KIND OF SNACK ONE SECOND.
DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY PREFERENCES TO HOW THAT SORTED? WELL, NO, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S SORTED.
I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE YOUR TABLE MATCHES THE, UH, THE LEGEND, THE LEGEND, AND, AND THAT, I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S MY PREFERENCE, AS LONG AS THOSE ARE IN THE WORLD LIKE THAT, WHEN YOU FLIPPED BACK AND FORTH AND THEY APPEAR TO BE FOR THE MOST PART, I'M OKAY WITH THAT PERSONALLY.
AND THE WORD
UH, AND THEN WE DO THE XEOMIN OR WE DO THE BLOW UP OF A FOCUS AND FUCKING LINE AROUND EACH ONE OF THESE LANES.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE ABOUT HALF AND AGAIN, PROBABLY DATA THAT WOULD BE, WOULD BE USEFUL, UM, AT THE FOLLOW-ON POSSIBLE.
WE COULD DO THIS FOR MONDAY, IF NOT, MAYBE CLOSE OUT COMMENT.
UM, MY, MY SUGGESTION TO THE TEAM HAS BEEN, WE HAVE RELATED LAND USE OVERALL, BUT WE SHOULD CALCULATE LAND USE PER FOCUS AREA.
SO I TAKE, YOU SHOULD LOOK AT THIS AND I SHOULD BE ABLE TO, THE AGRICULTURE IS FOMENTED PERFECT.
UH, ACRES OF THIS PARTICULAR STUFF THAT THIS PARTICULAR FOCUS THERE,
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THE ESSENTIALLY, UH, EXPANDING ON TABLE SIX TO INCLUDE THE TOTAL, BUT THEN ALSO, UH, THAT SAME, UH, GROUP OF CATEGORIES OR SAME SPREADSHEET OR TABLE FOR EACH OF THOSE FOLKS.AND I SUPPOSE THAT THE USEFUL USEFULNESS OF THAT WILL COME UP.
UM, IT, IT, IT, IT WILL COME UP, UH, AND IT SHOULD BE, IT'LL COME UP IN A GENERAL WAY TO COME UP.
I THINK IN A SHARP WAY AS WELL, TO GIVE PERCENTAGES OF WHERE WE SEE SOME OF THE SUGGESTION CHANGE, WHAT DEVELOPED AND WHAT SHOULD BE EXTENDED IN TERMS OF ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT MAY NOT BE WRITTEN AS SHARP SHARPLY AS IT SHOULD BE IN THE CURRENT GRAPPLE REPORT.
SO, UM, THEN WE LOOKED AT EACH NOW APPLE FOCUS, THERE IS, UH, WE LOOKED AT ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS, THE PRESENCE OF PHYSICAL INFRASTRUCTURE OF UTILITIES, TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO, UM, WHERE THERE IS EMPLOYMENT FACTORS OF WHICH ARE CLOSE AND SORT OF THE PROBLEMS OF OTHER QUALITY WIPERS STRUCTURES INCLUDE THE BOOK, PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, PARKS AND SCHOOLS, UM, AND TRY TO GENERATE GRAPHICS THAT START TO SHOW, UM, THE PREVALENCE OF THOSE ELEMENTS.
UM, IN EACH ONE OF EACH ONE OF THESE ZONES, CIVIC AMENITIES, UH, TRANSPORTATION FEATURES AND OTHERS.
SO I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE BOARD, UM, AND AT THE RISK OF UPSETTING PART OF THE APPLE CART, YOUR FOCUS AREA, NC 43, THE BLUE ONE, UH, WHILE IT'S SENT, WHILE 43 IS CENTERED THROUGH THAT FOCUS AREA, UM, THAT FOCUS AREA DOES NOT EXTEND TO THE END OF THE ETJ.
UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, CURRENT, CURRENT LAND USE OUT THERE FOR US IS SHOWN WITH AGRICULTURE AND INDUSTRIAL, UH, PRIMARILY.
SO, SO THE QUESTION WOULD BE, FIRST OF ALL, BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN THE IDEA, IS THAT A KIND OF CHANGE THAT COULD HAPPEN BY MONDAY.
UM, AND IF NOT, SHOULD THAT BE, THEN THE BOARD WOULD ENTERTAIN WHETHER OR NOT THAT REQUEST THAT, I MEAN, IT IS POSSIBLE TO REQUEST THAT AND IF NOT TO HAVE, WHETHER IT SHOULD BE A FOLLOW ON THING AFTER YOU HAVE ONE FOR THE NEXT VERSION.
AND, AND I GUESS WHAT THAT WILL BRING INTO QUESTION IS WHAT ARE THE POLICIES, OR WHAT ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE DON'T KNOW YET WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE, UH, THAT MIGHT BE AFFECTED BY EXPANDING THAT AREA.
SO THE OTHER THING THAT THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN MIGHT HAVE AN OPINION ON IS THE RECENT CHANGES WITH THE MAKEUP OF PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, AND HOW EXTENDING THAT OUT THERE MIGHT AFFECT THE THOUGHT PROCESS ON ALL OF THAT KNOW, ELIMINATING THE TJ, UH, SEATS.
JUST, JUST TO TALK TO ME, AND ONCE YOU START ROLLING THAT IN, I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEIR KIDS ALL COVERED UNDER ZONING AND ALL THAT ANYWAY, BUT, UM, JUST SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN MIGHT, MIGHT HAVE AN OPINION ON.
UM, WELL THAT, BUT I, I DON'T DISAGREE THAT THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
WELL, THE MLK ZONE IS ALMOST 50% ETJ TOO.
SO, UM, WELL, NOT NECESSARILY, IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT, BOTH WERE THE SAME, BUT, UM, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE KIND OF GOALS ARE FOR THE GROWTH ZONE, THE FOCUS ZONE FOR 43.
UM, AND, OR, UM, IF YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S NOT JUST THE CORRIDOR, BUT IT'S THAT SECTION OF YEAH.
SO NOW NOT EVEN THINKING ABOUT THE OKAY, BUT YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.
SO I, I SEEN HER REASON WHY WE SHOULDN'T THEN IN THE 43 FOCUS AREA EXTEND ON OUT TO THE LIMITS OF THE, UH, TWO ROAD 42 8 ETJ.
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UPSETTING THE APPLE CART A LITTLE BIT.UM, BUT, WELL, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION, COULD WE DO IT BY MONDAY? NO.
BUT IF IT WAS THE BOARD'S DESIRE, WE CERTAINLY COULD.
I WOULD, I COULD SEE VERY LOGICALLY THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS AN UNIMPORTANT, FOLLOW-UP ONE OF THE RATIONALE OF NOT INCLUDING SOME OF IT THERE YET IS BELIEVE IT, ALL THAT MARTIN MARIETTA ACTIVITY, WE DON'T, WE DON'T THINK IT COULD HAVE GROWER CHANGED FROM WHAT IT IS.
AND SO KIND OF FROZEN IF I'VE GOT MY, MY GEOGRAPHY.
BUT SOME OF IT, THE AREA, CERTAINLY IT'S NOT THE PART ALREADY, NOT THE PARTY THEY STAY AT MARTIN.
MARIETTA STILL HAS A MINE OUT THERE OUT THAT WAY.
WELL, THIS MAP, CAN YOU SHOW HOW FAR THE ETJ GOES OUT? BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT GOES OUT FROM HERE.
SO YEAH, I THINK ALL THAT, ALL THAT WATER YOU SEE THERE, THAT'S THE MARTIN MARIETTA STOPS HERE.
THAT ESSENTIALLY EXTENDS OUT, UH CLARK'S ROUTE, I THINK.
SO THAT'S THAT SECTION, THE OTHER SECTION IS, UH, NEXT TO 70.
AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN, UP TO YOU GUYS TO FIGURE, DECIDE IF THAT SEEMS APPROPRIATE.
WELL, COULDN'T, YOU PUT THE VERBIAGE IN THERE WITH A MAP TO FOLLOW LATER, TWO THINGS.
ONE IS YOU COULD STILL RECOMMEND ADOPTION OF THIS THE WAY IT IS, BECAUSE IT IS A GOOD DOCUMENT AS IT IS.
AND THEN AS A FOLLOW ON, WE CAN AGREE TO DISCUSS THE PROS AND CONS OF ACTUALLY EXTENDING THAT FARTHER.
AND THEN IN JULY, AUGUST, SEPTEMBER, WE, WE REVISED THE PLAN ACCORDINGLY.
IT WOULD JUST, AS YOU SAID, THERE MAY BE A LOT MORE CHANGES THAT WE CAN MAKE, AND WASN'T DOING ALL AT ONE TIME, CAN'T BE DONE.
NOT EVEN IF WE AGREED THAT IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED FOR MONDAY.
AND EVEN IN THE PROCESS OF, WELL, THIS AREA HERE TOO, WE, WE, WE WANT TO DISCUSS, SO LET'S LEAVE IT AS IS IN BOTH POLAR AND THEY NOT LATER ON SOUNDS LIKE PNC MEETINGS, I'M JUST MAKING A NOTE ON THAT.
SO WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE IT AS, UM, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A TOUGHIE THAT IS EXPANDED ON OR LATER, UH, THE FOLLOW-UP THAT I TOLD HER AT THAT, CORRECT? YES.
SO I ALMOST FEEL LIKE AT SOME POINT WHAT HAPPENS IS WE, WE, ANY TWEAKS ADJUSTMENTS THAT YOU CAN MAKE FOR MONEY THAT GOES IN, THEN WE'LL HAVE SOME SUBSEQUENT PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEETINGS, AND THEN ESSENTIALLY COME TO THIS.
THESE ARE THE SORT OF THINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO, UM, UH, AMENDMENTS WE'D LIKE TO MAKE TO THE PLAN AFTER THE ADOPTION, BY THE CITY.
AND, UM, THAT, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD WAY TO HANDLE THAT.
AND WE MAY NEED SOME CONSULTATION WITH YOU, CORRECT.
IN THE PROCESS BECAUSE YOU'RE EMINENTLY FAMILIAR WITH THE RIGHT POLICIES.
UH, SUGGESTED IT QUESTION IN THAT.
SO IF THAT'S AFTER THE FACT AND WE INCLUDE HIM, DO WE HAVE FUNDING TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES PART OF HIS CONTRACT, EVEN THOUGH HE DOES, WHAT, UM, WHAT THE OBJECTIVE OF THE BOOK, WHY DID YOU START THESE THINGS? BECAUSE YOU THINK YOU'LL WIND UP AT POINT B AND ONE A POINT.
BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN WE, WHEN WE LOOKED AT SUITABILITY, UH, AND I DON'T MEAN TO JUMP AROUND AND YOU DON'T MOVE IN THAT MOVEMENT MOVING FROM PAGE TO PAGE, BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOKED AT ALL DOABILITY FACTOR, ONE OF THE THINGS WE WERE DEFENDING WHO DID WAS RIGHT AWAY.
OKAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THESE AREAS AND ALSO EVEN LOOK WITHOUT YOUR PARENT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHERE WHAT'S THE MOST SUITABLE ZONES
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TO BUILD ON, UM, YOU KNOW, NEEDING THAT THEY'RE JUST SORT OF, NOT ALL WITH ENVIRONMENTAL, THEY HAVE UTILITY THAT HAVE ROADWAY, IT'S APPROXIMATE TO EMPLOYMENT.AND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PREPARER OF THIS MAP NEGLECTED TO PUT THE LIGHT BLUE AS A, UM, UH, AS A PATRIOT, BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE IT, UH, IT'S LIKE THE REALITY IS WE'LL GO BACK AND BE ONE, MONDAY IS THIS MAP IS ALSO TRYING TO SUGGEST, HEY, TODAY, THESE ZONES SHOWN IN THE BLUE ARE THE MOST SUITABLE FOR IMMEDIATE DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THEY DON'T WHERE THEY DO.
THEY, THEY DON'T IMPEDE OR EXIST WITHIN, UM, YOU KNOW, ENVIRONMENTALLY CHALLENGING AREAS, ROADWAY, ACTIVITY, UTILITY AVAILABILITY.
AND SO THIS RAPID IS ALSO TRYING TO THINK, THEY, YOU LOOK AT IT TODAY AND THIS PARTICULAR STUDY AREA, THE LAND AREA AND PLOT ARE BY FAR THE MOST SUITABLE FOR IMMEDIATE.
SOME OF THEM ARE, YOU KNOW, BIG ROADBLOCKS THAT EXIST TODAY.
UM, YOU CAN SEE DOWN IN THE 30TH, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF THE FLOOD, PLAIN, EVERYTHING TO THE SOUTH OF THE FLOOD, PLAIN, AND THE FOCUS AREA, THESE ARE ALL CONSIDERED SUITABLE FOR IMMEDIATE DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THERE'S UTILITIES, ET CETERA.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT ANALYSIS TRIED TO, AGAIN, IT ALL FORM IN THE END, WHY WE DREW THE LAND USE MAP, THE WAY THAT WE DID IS LIKE, OKAY, IF THERE'S LAND IMMEDIATELY AVAILABLE AND NOT SUBJECT TO LOSS OF CONSTRAINT.
WELL, THAT SHOULD BE PART OF, YOU KNOW, UM, IT SHOULD BE CATEGORIZED IN A WAY THAT IS SUITABLE FOR, FOR DEVELOPMENT.
LET'S AT LEAST CHANGE THE COLOR TO SOMETHING OTHER THAN WATER, MAYBE ORANGE OR RIGHT.
RED DON'T MAKE IT RED AND DON'T MAKE IT GREEN, I GUESS AGAIN, BECAUSE WE HAD ALREADY USING GREEN FOR AGRICULTURE, BUT YEAH.
ORANGE, AND OF COURSE, WE'LL FIX BACK ON THE LEGEND.
I DIDN'T WANT TO BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION.
ONE OF THE OBJECTIVES, THE ANALYSIS WITH THE FACTS, YOU KNOW, LIFT THE LAND THAT REALLY JUST HAD EVERYTHING GOING FOR IT, YOU KNOW, NOT A TECHNICAL TERM, BUT IT'S SORT OF AN OBSERVATIONAL TERM AND IT REALLY SHOULD BE SUITABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN YOUR RETURN, YOU KNOW, 2, 4, 3, 5.
AND SO HAVING IDENTIFIED THAT YOU SEE THERE IS, UM, A RELATIVELY LARGE CHUNK OF AREA OUTSIDE THE, UH, FOCUS FOR 43 FOCUS THAT IS IN THE EGG, BUT IT'S IN THE ETJ.
BUT WE'LL, WE'LL BE DISCUSSING LATER.
IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ALSO IDENTIFIED AREAS OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS TOO, WHICH IS GOOD TO KNOW EITHER TURN THOSE OFF, WE CAN TURN THOSE OFF OR WE CAN JUST LEAVE IT AS IT IS.
I SEE A PROBLEM WITH THAT AT ALL, BECAUSE, SO I THINK MAYBE ONE THING IS IMPORTANT.
THERE IS BECAUSE OF THE CITY'S POLICY OF VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY THAT ALL OF THOSE HAVE THAT ABILITY WHERE CITY SERVICES ARE THERE, BUT IT'S GOOD TO SEE.
I THINK IT WAS GOOD TO SEE THOSE THAT ARE OUTSIDE THOSE AREAS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF CITY LIMITS, PARTICULARLY DOWN THE 70 QUARTER THAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE DO HAVE THE ABILITY FOR THAT AND THE VERY GOOD THINNER CRITERIA, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE NO BUILDING IMPROVEMENT, 50 FEET WITHIN A ROW, 50 FEET WITHIN THE WATER SERVICE.
THERE ARE GOOD, YOU KNOW, SO, AND, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR SO THAT EVERYONE IS UNDERSTANDS THAT THAT IS LIMITED TO ANYTHING, 50 FEET, ONLY 50 FEET FROM A ROAD, AN NCD, A DEEP BREATH.
SO OBVIOUSLY A DEVELOPER VERY EASILY, SOMETHING EVEN FARTHER FROM AN NC DLT ROAD, UM, THEY HAVE ACCESS ACCESS ROAD OR WHATEVER DRIVEWAY.
UM, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT DOES, RIGHT? I MEAN THEN RYAN, YOU, AND YOU DEVELOP THAT AND YOU PROVIDE THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND THEN THE CITY, UH, UM, TAKES CONTROL OF THAT.
WE MAY HAVE EVEN MORE ROOM THAN IS FOR DEVELOPMENT.
THAT THEN IS REPRESENTED ON THIS MAP, CORRUPT AND NOT PUBLIC IN THE END.
I THINK THAT ONE OF THE ANALYSIS, THE GOOD THING, BUT ALSO HAS LITTLE IN OCCASIONS, VERY POORLY.
IF YOU JUST CHANGE ONE FACTOR, ALL OF A SUDDEN,
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YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT COLORED ZONES AND THAT'S WHY THE FORM, BUT WE DIDN'T DIRECTLY DRAW THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP BASED ON THESE PARTS OF THE LESSON.IT SORT OF INFORMED US, BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE COULD, AS YOU'VE JUST OBSERVED, YOU HAVE DEVELOPER COME IN AND DIZZY THE DIGITAL THING, IT WOULD BE A NATURAL EXTENSION TO GROW DEVELOPMENT.
OR HOW DOES THIS AREA DOWN HERE? UM, UH, THIS IS SOME OF THE STUFF THAT WE NEED TO PICK UP ON ONE MORE SORT OF REFERENCING STICKERS.
AND SOME OF THAT, UM, THE DEVELOP THE LAND, UH, IN THE MAP, THE LIMITED AMOUNT OF LAND THAT ARE DEVELOPABLE AND LEAKED UNDER THE METRIC THAT WE'RE EVALUATED.
SO WE SHOWED THOSE ZONES AND, UH, YOU KNOW, GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT THE FLUID ABILITY, SOME OF THAT AREA, AND YOU'LL ADD THE FIGURE X, WHATEVER X X IS THERE THE FIRST SENTENCE.
SO THEN WE'VE REALLY, THIS IS CURRENTLY UP TO THE QUESTIONS WE MAY HAVE DONE IT BACKWARDS OR THE RIGHT WAY.
WHAT WE DID WAS WE LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL 2010 REGIONAL LAND USE PLAN.
UH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, THAT WE'LL INCLUDE IN A REFERENCES SECTION IN THE INTRODUCTION.
AND BASICALLY AS WE LOOK AHEAD TO FUTURE LAND USE, WHAT SHOULD THE GOAL BE MOVING FORWARD, LOOKING AHEAD.
UM, AND WHAT SHOULD THE POLICY THAT INFORMED THE FUTURE LAND USES WITHIN THOSE THREE ZONES? AND WE REALLY FOCUSED REALLY ON WHILE THERE WERE SIX PRIMARY POTENT TO THE 2010 REGIONAL LANGUAGE.
UM, WE REALLY FOCUSED ON FOUR KEY AREAS, LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT INFRASTRUCTURE, ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UM, BECAUSE WE WEREN'T ON THE COAST.
SOME OF THE OTHERS WERE NOT SORT OF ELEVATED.
UM, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST THE DS ZONES AS CRITICAL.
WE COULD GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT, BUT WE REALLY FOCUSED OUR GOAL WRITING IN HER POLICY, WRITING IN THOSE FOUR KEY COMPONENTS, KEY COMPONENT CATEGORY, LAND USE, AND DEVELOPMENT INFRASTRUCTURE, ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION, AND ECONOMIC ADULT.
AND THEN WE MADE THE RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, AND AT THE, YOU KNOW, AT THE, UM, THESE ARE GENERAL IN THESE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, AND, UH, WE CAN, WE CAN READ THROUGH EACH OF THESE, OR WE CAN JUST PAUSE AND YOU GOT SCANNED PAGE BY PAGE, AND I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS, BUT JUST TO, JUST TO TALK ABOUT IT AS SORT OF AN UMBRELLA, YOU KNOW, EACH ONE OF THESE SPEAKS TO, UM, WHAT WE FEEL AS PLANNERS AND WE FEEL FROM THE DOCUMENT THAT WERE REVIEWED OR, UM, ALIGNED WITH THE VALUES OF YOUR COMMUNITY, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT IN THE FOCUS THERE IS THAT WE'RE ENCOURAGING A DIVERSITY OF HOUSING STOCK THAT WE'RE ENCOURAGING ZONING TO BE WHAT THE VOTE FOR THE HOUSING THOUGHT THAT WE DESIRE, UM, THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES, ESPECIALLY LIKE IN THE MLK CORRIDOR FOR INFILL, UH, AND PERHAPS THAT INFO IN A COUPLE OF AREAS HAVE THE HIGHER DENSITY, MAYBE AROUND THE HALL QUALIFIED FOR THAT AREA WERE LOGICAL, UH, TO LOOK AT, UM, ENVIRONMENTALLY BENEFICIAL LANDSCAPING TO CERTAINLY, UH, ALLOW FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT, UH, WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO BALANCING ALL THAT GROWTH AGAINST MUNICIPAL SERVICE EARLY.
AND A LOT OF THESE, WE COULD, WE COULD PROBABLY SPEND HOURS JUST TALKING ABOUT THE, UM, OR WE COULD JUST HAVE FIRES TO OBSERVE.
UM, BUT, BUT AGAIN, ON A HIGH LEVEL, IT'S TRYING TO CREATE AND IDENTIFY THE GOAL AND THE POLICIES AND COVER THE ACTIONS IN EACH ONE OF THESE AREAS THAT SPEAK TO THEM
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AGAIN, I WASN'T SURE SHOULD DRUNK DRAWN THE MAP FIRST.AND THEN THE QUARTER THAT WE HAVE OLD POLICIES OR WHAT WE IN FACT DID HERE WAS WE FORMED THE VOLT AND THE POLICY, AND THEN THAT ALL THE FORMS, WHY, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, WE CERTAINLY TRIED TO GIVE SOME, SOME PROMPTS TO, UH, ENCOURAGING TRENDS, BUT ALSO WHERE LOCATIONS THAT, THAT HAPPENED, THE SCALE OF YOUR COMMUNITY RALEIGH OR CHARLOTTE, BUT THE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.
BEFORE WE GET INTO THAT ONE, STAYING IN THE LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT, ONE CONNECTED TO THE CONCERN ABOUT THE FIRE RISK, UH, AND OR THE RESILIENCY, WHICH IS GENERALLY FLOODING.
UM, WHERE WOULD YOU SAY WE WOULD FIND THOSE KINDS OF ISSUES? AND WE, UH, STATED, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS FOR LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT, HOW THEY BUILD OUR, OR OUR DEVELOPMENT NOW.
YEAH, THOSE, UH, IT'S NOT FOCUSED.
YOU SPECIFICALLY SHOULD BE REFERENCED IN THE, UH, ENVIRONMENT ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION.
IT'S ON PAGE 47, A PLAN WITH HAZARD MITIGATION IN MIND AS YOU'RE BY REFERENCE TO THE HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN, UM, SPECIAL HEADPHONE FLOOD HACKER.
IT DOES NOT SPEAK TO FIRE THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT, BUT THAT THIRD CATEGORY.
OKAY, WELL THEN WE'LL GET BACK TO THAT LATER.
I SUPPOSE, UM, UNLESS, UH, UNLESS WE SHOULD ADD IT POLICY UNDER LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT THAT IS SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THE WAY THINGS ARE DEVELOPED.
UM, WELL, SO I WOULD ALMOST LUMP THAT UNDER, UM, 1.6 CONSIDER SITE DESIGN.
THAT SHOULD BE PART OF THE CONTEXT THAT IS CONSIDERED, UM, FOR THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO ELABORATE IN THE 1.6, THAT AS A PART OF CONSIDERING SITE DESIGN, THAT THE RIGHT, THOSE ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE ALSO CONSIDERED NO, THEY'RE ALL POLICIES, SO EVERYTHING SHOULD BE CONSIDERED, BUT I MEAN, MAYBE A NOD TO IT UNDER 1.6 IS THE PLACE TO DEAL WITH THAT.
THERE'S REALLY NOTHING ELSE UNDER THE, UNDER THOSE INITIAL, UNDER THE LAND USE, UM, OR ANYWHERE IN THAT REALM, BUT SITE DESIGN IS KIND OF A BROAD, UM, A BROAD PLACE TO DEAL WITH THAT PERHAPS AS A REFERENCE OR MENTION.
AND I MEAN, A LOT OF THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, UH, BEST PRACTICES, PIPE DESIGN IS GOING TO HAVE THAT IN THERE.
UM, THAT COULD ALSO BE MENTIONED IS ZONING PORTION.
UM, AND THEN WHEN WE GET LATER TO THE RISKS, WE CAN TALK ABOUT FIRE AND, UM, BUILDING CODE DIFFERENT THINGS, UM, ON PAGE 42, WHEN YOU GET TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE, WOULD THAT NOT BE SUMMER? WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE PROPER INFRASTRUCTURE AND, UH, REFRESHMENTS GO BACK TO THE WATER RISE AND THE COUNTY LINE ROAD NOT BEING PAVED WHEN YOU GOT A BIG SUBDIVISION COMING IN THE SIZE THAT IT IS, AND YOU ONLY HAVE ONE EAT GRASS.
SHOULD THERE BE SOMETHING? YEAH.
SO, UH, WE HAVE, UH, SO NEXT THAT'S A GOOD SEGUE TO THE NEXT SECTION ON TREND INFRASTRUCTURE, RIGHT.
INFRASTRUCTURE AND THREE, 3.6 0.2 ON PAGE 42.
AND THEN THE POLICIES THAT FOLLOW.
SO LET'S SEE WHAT WE HAVE HERE, CHRISTINA.
SO THERE, THERE IS A 1.13 UNDER, UNDER
IT TALKS ABOUT PLANNING FOR SAFETY NEAR SCHOOLS.
UM, IT'S ALMOST LIKE THERE SHOULD BE A SEPARATE F POLICY THAT IS REALLY FOR, UM, THAT THAT REALLY TALKS ABOUT, UH, SAFETY AND ASSESSABILITY, UM, IS MAYBE AN ASSESSABILITY IS A WEIRD WORD BECAUSE ARCHITECTS, HERE'S AN ACCESSIBILITY.
AND WE THINK ABOUT WHEELCHAIRS AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, PLANNERS HERE, ACCESSIBILITY, THEY THINK ABOUT SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.
SO ASSESSABILITY IS A DANGEROUS WORD TO USE IN A DOCUMENT LIKE THIS.
BUT, UM, I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I THINK IS, UM, SAFETY AND ACCESSIBILITY, UM, AS IT RELATES TO INFRASTRUCTURE AND, UM, AND, UH, AND ROADS AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS.
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SO THE ONE THAT I ASKED WAS THE REFERENCE WAS I HAVE A ONE POINT 13, BUT THAT'S SPECIFIC JUST TO GET, TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT SCHOOLS.UM, AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A, IF MAYBE ANY, JUST A SEPARATE WHEN THIS TALKS ABOUT IT IN GENERAL WITH DEVELOPMENT.
SO SCOTT, THE ISSUE THAT WAS RAISED, YOU MAY NOT KNOW ABOUT, UM, UH, WE HAVE ONE PARTICULAR SUBDIVISION, UH, BUT IT COULD HAPPEN IN ANY FUTURE SUBDIVISION.
UH, THEY ESSENTIALLY ARE BUILT WITH ONLY ONE, UH, MEANS OF EGRESS AND INGRESS FOR IT'LL SOON BE A THOUSAND HOMES, 2000 HOME, 2000 HOMES.
UM, AND YET AT THE SAME TIME, UH, ALONG THE LONG SIDE OF, OF THE PROJECT, THERE IS A GRAVEL SLASH MUD ROAD.
UM, THAT'S NOT OWNED BY A PROPERTY OWNER.
UH, IT'S OWNED BY THE FOREST SERVICE AND THAT, SO THE STATE, UH, AND THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN PAVING THAT EVEN THOUGH IT WOULD POTENTIALLY PROVIDE THAT ACCESS.
RIGHT? SO THAT PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT THAT WE ALL THINK TO TALK ABOUT, BECAUSE WE WANT TO TALKING ABOUT A LOT IN OUR PLAN IS IN BOARD MEETINGS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT ALSO IS ONE OF THE LARGE DEVELOPMENTS THAT BORDERS, THE FORESTRY SERVICE, UM, LAND WHERE WILDFIRE HAZARDS ARE A RISK.
AND THAT, THAT I THINK IS ONE OF THE AREAS THAT HAS PROMPTED, UH, THE FIRE CHIEF TO, TO, UM, BEGIN OR TO UNDERTAKE THAT AS A CONSIDERATION.
AND SO THAT, THAT PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, DRIVES A LOT OF OUR DISCUSSIONS, CORRECT, BUT, BUT THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF PROBLEMS TO IDENTIFY THAT SOMEHOW, SOMEHOW ADDRESS THAT IN HERE.
SO WE HAVE AT LEAST THE BASICS AND THE PLAN BACK A FOUNDATION TO DO CHANGES, WHETHER IT BE IN ZONING OR RIGHT.
AND SO JUST A LITTLE MORE BACKGROUND, NOT TO GET TOO DEEP INTO IT.
WE HAVE A PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, UM, REVIEWED OUR, UH, ZONING ORDINANCE AND DRAFTED AND PROPOSED EDITS TO THE LAND USE ORDINANCE TO DEAL WITH HOW EXITS, UM, ARE PLANNED FOR, UH, DEVELOPMENTS.
AND SO WE, WE, AS A PLANNING ZONING BOARD HAVE TRIED TO GET, I TRIED TO DIG INTO THAT AND, UM, AND MAKE CHANGES TO OUR LANES ORDINANCE.
AND SO I DON'T THINK IT'S CERTAINLY, I DON'T THINK ANY OF US ARE SAYING THAT WE NEED TO GET THAT DETAILED HERE, BUT YOU KNOW, A REFERENCE TO IT IN A POLICY THAT THAT IS, THAT IS THE POLICY TO, TO, UM, TO DEAL WITH, UH, INGRESS, EGRESS, ACCESSIBILITY AND SAFETY.
UM, FOR ALL DEVELOPMENT IS PROBABLY A GOOD, UM, PROBABLY A GOOD POLICY TO HAVE.
COULD YOU NOT ALSO PUT THAT UNDER THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT AND THAT'S A POLICY ONE POINT 10 ON PAGE 44 WITH THE TRAFFIC FLOW PEOPLE GETTING IN AND OUT, CERTAINLY THE END THERE AS WELL.
IT DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE PUT IN HERE SOMEWHERE BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT WE'VE GOT.
THERE IS A PROBLEM BY THE WAY, BOARD.
WE HAD QUESTIONABLE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THAT AREA THAT COULD EASILY POP UP IN A NEW DEVELOPMENT.
WELL, THE INFRASTRUCTURE STILL HAS TO BE TO A CERTAIN CODE FOR THE CITY TO TAKE IT OVER.
THEY MAY NOT HAVE IT RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S NOT AT THAT POINT.
THE CITY ADOPTED IN THE ORDINANCE THAT IT HAS TO BE IN THEIR QUALIFICATIONS.
AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING IF WE WE'VE, AS OUR BOARD IS GOING THROUGH TO TRY AND DEAL WITH SOME OF THESE THINGS.
AND SO WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO GET BOGGED DOWN HERE TODAY, AS WE OFTEN DO ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.
UM, BUT JUST MAYBE A GOOD PLACE TO, UH, EITHER INSERT A POLICY THAT TALKS ABOUT SAFETY IN AND, UH, ACCESS IN GENERAL OR ADD IT TO A ONE 10.9 IS ANOTHER GOOD PLACE.
SO JUST TO, BECAUSE JUST FOR THIS BOARD'S PURPOSE, I DID SPEAK TO LEGISLATIVE THIS PAST WEEK.
I WAS THERE ABOUT COUNTING LAND AND GAIN IT ON THE BOOKS, AT LEAST FOR PAVING.
UM, WE'RE NOT EVEN SURE IF IT'S THERE
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YET IT'S BEING CHECKED.IF NOT, IT WILL BE ADDED AT LEAST TO LISTSERV FUTURE, HOPEFULLY IN THE NEXT FIVE TO 10 YEARS, BY THE TIME THAT PARTICULAR SUB SUBDIVISION TO GET THEM OUT.
SORRY, SCOTT, WE'RE GETTING BOGGED DOWN.
AND OF COURSE, DURING ALL OF THAT, THE THOUGHT CODE SERVICE DROPS.
SO, UH, YOU, YOU, THEY'RE A NON EMOTIVE, UH, SORT OF BRING THEM ALL TO, YOU KNOW, LANGUAGE AND A LOCATION.
I'M JUST TRYING TO PUT IT TOGETHER INTO A SENTENCE IN THE RIGHT LOCATION WHERE WE SPEAK TO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE BREADTH OF THE ISSUES THAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING.
RIGHT? SO I THINK WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PRESS PUTTING IT IN 1.9 OR ONE POINT 10, BUT I THINK ONE POINT 10 IS TRYING TO BE MORE MACRO SCALE, 1.9.
THIS MAY BE A TIME OF DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS WHAT YOU NEED TO BE, RIGHT.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE LOCATION PERHAPS.
AND THE LANGUAGE IS SOMETHING THAT CAN TO, UH, UH, MULTIPLE, UM, MEANS OF ACCESS, UH, AND, UM, SOMEHOW, UH, APPROPRIATE FOR THE APPROPRIATE OR, UM, TO ESTABLISH A THRESHOLD AT WHICH, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE MEANS OF DEEP BREATHS WOULD BE REQUIRED OR SOMETHING TO THAT, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO.
AND THAT'S, AGAIN, FOR A SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT, THIS IS A MUCH BROADER SORT OF SENSE HERE AS WELL.
SO IN GENERAL, YOU WANT, YOU WANT TO ESTABLISH A THRESHOLD AT WHICH, UM, MULTIPLE EGRESS, MULTIPLE POINTS OF EGRESS ARE NECESSARY OR REQUIRED FOR, UM, NEWS OR, OR FOR SUBDIVISIONS OR FOR, I GUESS THE SIZE BE A CONSIDERATION TOO.
SO I HAVE SUBSIDED DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT?
AND THAT, SO THAT WE'VE DRILLED DOWN ON OUR LAND USE ORDINANCE, AS OPPOSED TO JUST THROWING.
AND I UNDERSTAND YOU'VE MADE NO NUMEROUS PROPOSALS TO THE ALDERMAN AND THEY'VE BEEN ALL BEEN TURNED DOWN, SO CORRECT, GIVEN THAT HOWEVER, THE BOARD CHANGES, RIGHT.
AND, OR, UM, THERE MAY BE DIFFERENT THRESHOLDS THAT MAY BE MORE OR LESS ACCEPTABLE.
UH, NOW, UH, PERHAPS YOU COULD PUT IT IN TERMS OF SAFETY, RIGHT.
SO MAYBE THE WAY TO DO IT IS WHERE OWNER ONE POINT AND I'M JUST OFF THE CUFF HERE, UH, INSTALLATION OF PUBLIC ROADWAY AND DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE WILL BE PROVIDED BY NEW RESIDENTIAL.
UM, MAYBE THE THING TO SAY THERE IS DEVELOPMENT AT, OR NEW RESIDENTIAL AT THE TIME OF DEVELOPMENT TO ESTABLISH, UH, LET'S SEE SAFETY, SAFE AND EFFICIENT.
MAYBE YOU GUYS SAFE AND EFFICIENT, UH, INGRESS SLASH EGRESS, OR MAYBE JUST SAFE AND EFFICIENT ACCESS, MAYBE A BETTER WAY TO SAY IT.
UM, AND SERVICES AND SERVICES ARE TALKING ABOUT.
THAT GIVES US SOMETHING TO GO BACK HOME WHEN I ALSO WONDER WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MULTIPLE MEANS THAT ACT, THAT WONDERED IF THE BLOOD, IT ALSO REFERRED TO BOTH THE PIPETTE.
I MEAN, I HAVE PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I'LL, I'LL WORK FOR THE NEXT, UH, THE NEXT BREATH.
DO WE WANT TO WALK THROUGH ANY MORE OF THESE AREAS? UM, OBVIOUSLY THE LACK OF, WHILE WE DIDN'T REALLY SPEAK TO, WELL, WE HAVE A FEW ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION, UH, OPEN SPACE PRESERVATION.
WE, WE DID SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT PRACTICES.
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I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO GO AS FAR AS EVEN BRINGING LEAD, UH, ENDED UP, YOU KNOW, WE ADDED THE ACTION EAP 1.2 0.3 AND 0.4, THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE TOO AGGRESSIVE FOR YOUR COMMUNITY.THERE'S CERTAINLY ASPIRATED IN HERE.
WELL, WE CAN DO, I'M A LEAD AP AND I WOULD SHY AWAY FROM THAT AND THIS PARTICULAR DOCUMENT, UM, JUST BECAUSE, UH, WELL, LEAD IS ALWAYS LEAD.
UM, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD PROBABLY ELIMINATE WHERE WE SAY TO MEET LEAD STANDARDS, UM, SIMPLY BECAUSE THAT'S NOT BUILDING CODE IT'S, IT IS ALL, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT IS ALL, UH, OPTIONAL AND, AND, UM, NOTHING THAT IS REQUIRED.
SO I DON'T MIND THE LEAD THE LIFE NECESSARILY, BUT I WOULD ALMOST ELIMINATE THAT AND JUST TALK ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY IN GENERAL.
AND, AND WE CAN DISCUSS, AGAIN, WE CAN DISCUSS WHAT LEAD EVEN MEANS AND, AND WHAT IT WOULD MEAN TO THE COMMUNITY, UH, AT AGAIN, A FUTURE, UM, PERIOD.
SO WE WOULD RECOMMEND REMOVING ALL THAT.
THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO ELIMINATE LEAD.
AND WHERE, IF WE TALK ABOUT LEAD, I WOULD INSTEAD INTRODUCE LANGUAGE OF JUST SIMPLE SUSTAINABILITY.
UH, AND THEN CIRCLING BACK TO THE BUYER.
I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN LAND USE AND 1.1 REALLY TALKED ABOUT IT.
1.13, BUT WE COULD ALSO EXPAND EAP 1.3 HERE.
TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE FIRE ISSUES.
I AGREE THAT THAT'S PROBABLY THE GOOD PLACE TO PUT THAT JUST, YOU KNOW, 1.3, SIX OR SOMETHING WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT, UM, WILDFIRE HAZARD.
UNDER PLAN FOR, UM, PLAYING WITH THE FOREFRONT OF HAZARD MITIGATION.
SO 181.3, SO MAYBE A 1.3 0.6 THAT TALKS ABOUT WILDFIRE MITIGATION IS THE RIGHT PROBABLY WORD THERE.
UM, IN FACT, DANNY HILL FIRE MARSHALL HAS SHARED WITH ME SOMETIME AGO, AN URBAN, I THINK THERE'S A DOCUMENT CALLED URBAN, UM, URBAN WILDFIRE MITIGATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THAT'S THE MAP THAT I WAS REFERRING TO.
SO THAT THAT'S, IT'S A REALLY GOOD DOCUMENT.
AND IT HAS A LOT OF THINGS IN THERE THAT REALLY DRILLED DOWN WAY, BROADER WAY MAY WEIGHT, UM, NARROWER SCOPE OF VISION THAN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, BUT A SIMPLE ACTION PLAN THAT, HEY, WE NEED TO BE DEALING WITH WILDFIRE MITIGATION IS PROBABLY RIGHT ON POINT.
SO, UM, WITH REGARD TO THE STORM SURGE, UH, LANGUAGE, UM, GREAT DEAL OF OURS DOWNTOWN AND HISTORIC DISTRICT IS ALL IN THAT AREA.
SO IT'S NOT LIKELY THAT WE'RE GOING TO DETER DEVELOPMENT FROM OCCURRING THERE RATHER TO, UH, ADDRESS, UM, MITIGATES THE RIGHT WORD.
I MEAN, IT'S STILL THE RIGHT WORD THERE.
UM, SO HOMES WILL BE BUILT, YOU KNOW, TALL UP TALLER FOUNDATIONS AND THEY HAVE IN THE PAST HOMES WOULD BE ELEVATED.
BUSINESSES WILL BE DRY OR WET PROOF.
UM, UM, NEW, NEW STRUCTURES WILL, YOU KNOW, EVEN DOWNTOWN WILL THEN BE BUILT WITH QUITE A DRY WET PROOFING OR ELEVATIONS, UM, PARKING, ET CETERA.
UM, SO, UH, SO SORRY, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT RETREATING YET.
AND SO I GUESS, UH, UNDER, UM, ACTUALLY EAP 1.6 0.1, THAT THE MANDATE NEW BUILDINGS ZONES THAT PROBABLY GIVES AWAY, UM, UH, WELL, CERTAINLY GOES AWAY FOR THE CITY OF NEW, FOR THIS PARTICULAR PLAN AND MAYBE MORE TO THE POINT OF, UM, UM, AND THERE'S PROBABLY A GOOD WAY TO SAY IT, BUT WE WOULD
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ALLOW SUITABLE USES, UH, IN THESE AREAS AND MITIGATE FLOOD RISKS DOES NOT EVER USE OBVIOUSLY IS A SUITABLE FOR A, UH, A SURGE ZONE.UM, AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS A PART OF WHAT WE'VE WE TRY TO DO IS TO ALLOW SUITABLE USES IN THOSE ZONES PROVIDED THEY, UM, DESIGNED FOR THE NECESSARY MITIGATION MEASURES FOR STORM SURGE AREAS.
I'M NOT SURE HOW THE WORDING AVOID ZONING AREAS, AVOID ZONING AREAS, SUSCEPTIBLE TO STORM SURGE, HOW THAT LANGUAGE, YEAH.
I MEAN, THE HEADING CHANGES IT'S REALLY MORE INSTEAD OF AVOIDING IT'S PLANNING FOR IS WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO.
SO WE SAY PLAN IN A BUNCH OF PLACES HE HAS CHANGED, AVOID TO PLAN FOR A ZONING AREAS, SUSCEPTIBLE TO A STORM SEARCH OR AT THAT CAUSE BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE CITY OF NEWTON.
SO, AND I, AND I, I THINK THE COMMENT, YOU KNOW, ALLOW SUITABLE USE WITH APPROPRIATE DESIGN MITIGATING FACTORS, UM, OF FLOOD RISK OF STORM SURGE.
YOU KNOW, I THINK I CAN WORDSMITH SOMETHING IN THERE AS WELL, SPEAKS MORE APPROPRIATELY TO WHATEVER.
WELL, THEN TRY TO ENCAPSULATE WHAT WOULD IT BE DESCRIBED HERE, PHONE.
HOW ABOUT A 1.1, 1.61? YOU WANT TO CHANGE THAT? YEAH.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'D BE ASKED EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT STUDYING.
AND SO HE'S GOING TO NOT ONLY TITLE ONE LINE OF BUNK THAT'S RIGHT.
NOT ONLY THE TITLE OF THAT PARTICULAR POLICY, 1.6, BUT THE ACTION ITEM DOWN IN IT AS WELL.
ANY OTHERS IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL SECTION THAT HAVE BEEN OBSERVED? I'VE NOTED THE LEAD.
OBVIOUSLY WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THE 1.6.
I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE IN THAT ENVIRONMENT AND SAID THAT ON THE LAST, THE LAST MINUTE TENSION, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UM, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY MANY OF THESE ARE, ARE, ARE ASPIRATIONAL IN GENERAL, BUT LIKE MANY OF THE OTHER ONES THAT WE WANT TO, UM, CONTINUE TO REVITALIZE EXISTING CORRIDORS, ESPECIALLY ALONG MLK, UH, PLAN APPROPRIATELY REPORT OUR GROWTH.
THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF FORMATTING ISSUE ON, ON, UH, EDD 1.2 THAT WE JUST NEEDED TO CORRECT.
UM, OBVIOUSLY TARGET ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, WHERE IT'S SUITABLE, UM, AND SUPPORT SUPPORTIVE AGAIN, WHERE IT'S ACCEPTABLE AND SUITABLE, UM, AND ALLOCATE FUND BOARDS CODE THAT LEAD TO, UH, SUCCESS FOR ALL SCALE AND THOUGHT OF BUSINESSES.
SO, UM, OUR FORMER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR MANAGER, UM, SHE HAD MENTIONED ON HER WAY OUT THAT, UH, NEWBURN IS SORELY IN NEED OF MORE INDUSTRIAL LAND, UM, SO THAT IT WOULD ATTRACT MORE MANUFACTURING, UH, EMPLOYERS TO THIS AREA OR TO OUR TOWN.
UM, SO, UM, IS, UH, ARE PART OF THE POLICIES WE HAVE HERE SUFFICIENT TO DO THAT? UM, OR DO WE NEED TO BE FINISHING UP IN ANY WAY ANY OF THESE POLICIES IN ANY WAY YES.
TO YOU TOO, SCOTT, AS A SUGGESTION.
I MEAN, WE'RE ALL TRYING TO ACTUALLY READ ALL THESE, BUT, UM, YEAH, NO, I UNDERSTAND.
WE DON'T TYPICALLY DO INDUSTRIAL LAND USE.
UM, WE, YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY IS ECONOMIC.
IT IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN NATURE.
I'M HAPPY TO OFFER, UM, SOMETHING THAT SPEAKS SPECIFICALLY TO, UM, INDUSTRIAL LAND USES AND, AND IT WOULD SAY SOMETHING LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHERE APPROPRIATE AND WHERE, UM,
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MITIGATING FACTORS FOR PROXIMITY TO, YOU KNOW, JUST BEING LAND USED IN RESIDENTIAL HOUSING, UH, OCCURS, UM, FOCUS THERE IS, SHOULD EMBRACE OPPORTUNITIES FOR, UM, DIFFERENT TYPES OF NEW INDUSTRIAL USES AND USERS AGAIN, HOPING LIKE THAT.IT'S ALMOST LIKE A ENCOURAGED AT AN INDUSTRIAL PARK WHEREBY DIRECT WHERE THAT SORT OF DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS.
UM, BUT THAT, THAT'S A SORT OF DIFFERENT, I MEAN, THAT CAN BE OUR NEXT LEVEL DOWN FROM HERE FROM THIS PLAN.
I DID SEE THERE'S THE WORD, NO GOAL ON ACTION ED, 1.2 0.1 IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PAGE, WHAT IS AN EMPHASIS ON NOODLE, OBVIOUSLY, NODES VERSUS STRIP CONFIGURATIONS AND DESIGNER VIEW? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN YOUR MIND? YEAH, IN MY MIND, IT IS A BIT OF A JARGONY TERM IN MY MIND, ON THE RETURN LAND, ON THE RECOMMENDED FUTURE LAND USE PLAN THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED A COUPLE OF ZONES, THE FACT, OR MAYBE FOUR THAT YOU KNOW, ARE NOTABLE IN NATURE.
AND WE THINK THAT THOSE AREAS WHETHER BY SMALL AREA PLANNING OR, UM, CHANGES IN ZONING OR CREPITATION ORIENTED OR SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD DO MORE THAT AT THOSE INTERSECTIONS AND THAT THOSE CROSSROADS AND THOSE PLACES.
AND SO THAT STARTS TO SPEAK TO THAT.
SO LET'S, SHOULD WE PUT A PIN IN THAT UNTIL WE GET TO THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN? IS THAT WHERE YOU SAID IT WAS, WAS GOING TO SHOW UP IN A FUTURE LAND USE PLAN? YEAH.
THAT IS BUILDING, BUILDING TO THAT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE ECONOMIC PIECE? SO FUTURE, SO ALL SEPARATELY FROM ALL OF THIS WORK, UH, YOU KNOW, THE END GOAL WAS TO CREATE A UPDATED PATTERN OF LAND WITHIN THESE GROW CORNERS WITHIN OUR THREE MAIN STUDIES.
A LOT OF WHAT'S HAPPENED SINCE 2010.
UM, A LOT OF THOSE AREAS HAVE GROWN, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY SIGNIFICANT GROWTH AREA, BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT WAS THAT IN THE REGIONAL, IN THE 2010 REGIONAL PLAN, MUCH OF WHAT WAS RECOMMENDED, UH, AND ENCOURAGED FOR GROWTH, MOST OF THE GROWTH HAS HAPPENED THERE.
AND NOW THEY'RE BUILT UP AREAS.
ARE THERE SOME THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT WITHIN, AND THEY'RE NO LONGER URBAN TRANSITION ZONES THEY'RE DEVELOPED AS ZONES? UM, WE CERTAINLY FEEL THERE ARE NOW A COUPLE OF AREAS THAT ORIGINALLY WERE CONSIDERED URBAN TRANSITION THAT LEND TO THEM FELL, NOT JUST BECAUSE OF THE SUITABILITY.
AND NOW THESE ARE AREAS THAT ARE READY FOR NEW HELMET BECAUSE THEY, UM, AVOID OR MEET THE CRITERIA THAT WE ESTABLISHED IN CHAPTER FOR ME.
UM, BUT BECAUSE THEY'RE SORT OF LOGICAL AND RATIONAL AND ALIGNED WITH WHERE WE'VE WORKED, GROWTH IS HAPPENED OVER THE LAST 12 YEARS.
UH, AND WE'VE IDENTIFIED THOSE APPROPRIATE, WELL, WE'LL LET YOU BE THE JUDGE APPROPRIATELY.
UM, BUT WE'VE IDENTIFIED THOSE REGIONS IN THE MAP.
AND THEN UNDER 5 22, WE'VE ADDED THE GROWTH ZONE OR NOSE.
HERE WE GO BACK TO NODAL WHERE WE THINK THERE'S AN EMPHASIS ON CERTAIN DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD BE MADE.
UM, THE CAVEAT BEING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE AS PRESCRIPTIVE TO TAKE EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS, BUT WE THINK THAT COULD BE FOCUSED AREAS BECAUSE OF TRANSIT AVAILABILITY BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, OTHER FACTORS AND IN ONE CASE, THE BALL SIZE THAT LED TO THE DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE MALLS ARE, ARE INCREASINGLY CHALLENGED IN THIS ENVIRONMENT.
AND I THINK IT'S THE WAY PEOPLE BUY THINGS WILL CONTINUE TO BE THAT WAY.
UM, THAT, THAT THOSE, UM, THOSE NOTES LEND THEMSELVES TO PARTICULAR IMPULSES.
AND SO W YOU KNOW, I WON'T READ THIS ALL VERBATIM ON THE MAP, BUT WHAT WE SAID WAS WHAT WE ARE SAYING WISH, UH, WE PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO CONSIDER ADDING INTO
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HERE THAT THE COMPARATIVE OF THE 2010 PLAN VERSUS THE PARTICULAR, IF WE LOOK AT EACH OF THE, WHAT THE GRAY NOW IS REALLY THE AREA THAT DEVELOPED, YES, THERE ARE VACANT PARCELS WITHIN THE GRAY, UM, BUT THEY ARE FEW AND FAR BETWEEN AND MLK.UM, THIS AREA FOR THE MOST PART IS CURRENTLY A MIX OF THE AGRICULTURE DOES NOT HAVE UTILITY SERVICES, BUT THIS WAS ONE OF THOSE ZONES WITH ROADWAY, EXTENSION, UH, LOGICAL, AND THAT OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, THAT THAT LENDS ITSELF TO BEING, YOU KNOW, AN URBAN TRANSITION, UH, WHEREAS TODAY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE DOCKER CULTURAL LAND AND THAT AREA.
AND THEN AS YOU GET FURTHER OUT, THIS IS ALREADY KIND OF ALL DEVELOPED IN HERE.
YOU GET FURTHER OUT, WE STILL DID THE SPILL SUGGESTING TO US THAT BECAUSE OF DISTANCE FROM ROAD DISTANCE, FROM THE UTILITY THAT WE THINK COULD BE EXTENDED OVER TIME INTO THE AREA THAT IS STILL WANT TO REMAIN OPEN PHASE SPECIFICALLY AGRICULTURAL AND RURAL TYPES OF USES THERE.
AND THEN AS WE MENTIONED, THERE'S A COUPLE OF AREAS AND LESS BILLABLE OR MORE FOCUSED ATTENTION HERE WHERE THE MALL IS HERE AT THIS ENERGY.
AND IF YOU SURE YOU WENT 43 LINK, I COULD COME THROUGH, UH, THAT THAT WOULD BE A FOCUS ZONE AND WITHIN THE MLK CORRIDOR, AND YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT, UH, ARE PRINTED OUT VERSIONS ARE DIFFERENT THAN YOURS.
ANOTHER THAT'S ANOTHER STRANGE THING.
NOT THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS YOU'RE OBSERVING THE SNOW DAY SO FAR.
WELL ACTUALLY IT LABELS THE ONE AT THE INTERSECTION THERE IS ZONE A, RIGHT.
SO IT, UH, SO WE SEE THREE, THREE THERE, A, B AND C, BUT YOUR A'S STARTS WITH THEM.
I MIGHT'VE PICKED UP THE WRONG, THE WRONG PDF VERSION.
THEN I TURNED TO THE RIGHT ONE ON THE RECOMMENDATION.
WE MAKE THEM ALL BY IS IMPORTANT.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, HAVING, AND THIS PROBABLY SHOULD BE SHIFTED A LITTLE BIT.
IT SHOULDN'T REALLY COST THE ROAD THAT YOU'D BE LIKE RIGHT AT THIS LOCATION HERE, WE GET TWEAKED THAT ALSO IN THE TEXTS.
UH, OUR VERSION HAS ONLY GROWTH ZONE, A N K ONE.
YOU MUST'VE GOTTEN A SLIGHTLY OLDER.
UH, SO THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS WE DON'T HAVE ANY DISCUSSION OURS ABOUT A ZONE, A WHAT YOU ARE NOW CALLING ZONE, EVERYTHING SHIFTS ESSENTIALLY.
SO WE USED TO JUST CROSS OUT IN OURS, CHANGE A, TO B, B TO C, C TO D AND D E.
AND CAN YOU, CAN YOU, UH, GO OVER WHAT ZONE AT WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, EACH ONE OF THESE IS SAYING FOR EACH ONE OF THESE, THIS IS KIND OF THE MEAT OF OUR DISCUSSION.
SO YEAH, SO GROW NO DAY, UM, WHICH IS THE, THE YOU'VE EARNED MALL COMMERCIAL COURT OR, AND OTHER COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND THERE IS A TREND OR, UH, AND VERY COMFORTABLY LOCATED BOTH THE TERMS OF ROADWAY AND INFRASTRUCTURE TRANSIT VISIBILITY.
UH, AND IT DOES SEEM, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BE PRESCRIPTIVE, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT
IT DOES SEEM OVER TIME THAT IT LENDS ITSELF TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, UM, MORE VARIABLE HEIGHTS OF RESIDENTIAL HOUSING WITH ACCESS TO PROMOTIONAL SERVICES THAT COULD HAVE REGULAR WALKABILITY AND BITE TYPE COMPONENTS THAT COULD INCORPORATE VACANT COMMERCIAL SPACES AND PARCELS THAT ARE IN AND AROUND THAT AREA, THAT
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THE PHONE IS ALREADY SERVED BY UTILITY, UH, UH, AND THAT IT LENDS ITSELF TO, WE WON'T SAY THAT THAT'S THE, THE, BUT IT CERTAINLY LENDS ITSELF TO PROBABLY A SMALL AREA PLAN AND, UH, COULD BE ONE OF THE MORE FORWARD VIEWED LOCATIONS, UH, OVER THE NEXT 5, 10, 15 YEARS, LIKE FOREST EVERYDAY THAT, UH, WITH MARKET CONDITIONS, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE LAND THAT THE DEVELOPER WANTS TO DO THAT, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU AS A PUBLIC, UH, PUBLIC SECTOR FESTIVAL, ET CETERA, BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST IN GENERAL TERMS, THE LAND USE CONSIDERATIONS, WE SEE THAT AS A LOGICAL APPROACH.SO CAN YOU JUST GO AHEAD AND READ THE LITTLE PARAGRAPH FOR ZONA? CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT FOR ZONE.
SO GROWTH ZONE A WHICH YOU CALLED THAT THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR AROUND THE NEW BIRD MALL.
THE KNOWN AS BOTH TRANSITS ARE THE ONLY SUCH LOCATION AT ALL IS THE FUCKER THERE.
AND IT'S CENTRALLY LOCATED WITH MAKING IT IDEAL, MAKING IT THE IDEAL LOCATION FOR DENTURES DEVELOPMENTS, LIKE THE MIXED USE WALKABLE COMMUNITY AND REDEVELOPMENT THE BABY COMMERCIAL SPACE.
IN ADDITION TO BE A GOOD THING, CRIMINAL RECORD OR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF NEWBURGH WOULD BENEFIT GREATLY FROM CONTINUED, CONTINUED GROWTH, CONTINUED GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT WESTWARD 'CAUSE, THAT'S WHERE IT STARTS GROWING ME.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN HERE AT ALL.
WELL, BUT, BUT IT READS THE SAME IF YOU CAUSE IN RVS NOW HAY OR EXCUSE ME, OUR HAY IS NOW.
CAUSE EVERYTHING'S JUST SHIFTED TO IT.
THIS NEEDS TO MOVE DOWN, WHICH IT DOES FOR HIM, BUT RIGHT AWAY, NO, IT'S IN THE RIGHT PART.
JUST, WE ARE A, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE SAYING, INDIGO, YOU SLASHED THROUGH A, IN THERE AND THAT'S ACTUALLY BE RIGHT BECAUSE A WAS ADDED AND EVERYTHING ELSE SHIFTED.
HE'S A PART OF TAKING CARE OF IT.
BUT IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THE THINKING BEHIND THAT.
AND THAT ALSO HELPS US THEN I GUESS, AS WE GO THROUGH PROBABLY EACH OF THE OTHERS, UM, IT'S ALSO COME TO MY ATTENTION.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR PLANS ARE FOR LUNCH.
UM, WE CAN, UH, DISTRIBUTE OUR FOOD.
WE HAVE FOOD FOR, UH, MEMBERS HERE AND KEEP EATING WHILE WE'RE TALKING OR, OR EAT WHILE WE CONTINUE TALKING.
OR IF YOU WANTED A BREAK, HAVE SOME TIME TO, YOU KNOW, ORDER YOURSELF SOME FOOD OR SO JUST AN OBSERVATION.
UM, WE ARE NOW AT THE ATTENDANCE, WHICH IS REALLY THE, UH, KNOW THAT'S THE FIGURE.
THAT'S ALL THE FIGURES IN THE MAPS.
UM, ALSO, SO I THINK WE'RE ALMOST DONE, I GUESS MY, IF WE'RE READY TO TALK ABOUT THAT, SCOTT, MY COMMENT ON THAT AND, AND IT'S LIKELY TO WORK IN PROGRESS.
AND I THINK THAT MAY BE PART OF WHAT WAS ADDED SINCE THE JUNE 6TH UPDATE MAYBE.
BUT, UM, SO JUST AS A, FOR INSTANCE, IF WE LOOK AT THE FIRST FIGURE THERE, I BELIEVE THAT IS THE SAME FIGURE AS PAGE FOUR.
UM, BACK IN, UH, SECTION ONE, I THINK WHAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL AND IT'S KIND OF DONE THAT WAY IN THE LIST OF TABLES AND FIGURES, UM, IS IF UNDER THAT REGIONAL OVERVIEW, IF IT HAS AN IDENTIFICATION THAT IT'S FIGURE ONE, SO THAT IT'S REALLY EASY TO TIE IT BACK TO PAGE FOUR, IF IT'S CALLED FIGURE ONE, RIGHT.
IF IT'S CALLED FIGURE ONE IN BOTH PLACES, UM, THAT IT'S REALLY EASY TO TIE ALL THAT TOGETHER AND THAT THAT LANGUAGE LANGUAGE WOULD KIND OF CARRY THROUGH ALL THE FIGURES.
AND THEN THAT WAY, IF YOU, IF IT BECOMES AN 11 BY 17, IF I'M HERE AND I SAY, I REALLY WANT TO SEE A LARGER MAP.
I KNOW I CAN JUST GO RIGHT BACK TO THE APPENDIX YOU TO FIGURE ONE AND THAT'S THE BIGGER MASS.
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RIGHT.AND, AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS REALLY MY, MY ONLY COMMENT ON THE FIGURES.
I MEAN, AN 11 BY 17 OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE USEFUL FOR, FROM A FORMATTING POINT.
UM, SO, UH, GIVEN THAT, AND IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE ALMOST DONE, UH, I, I'D STILL LIKE TO GO OVER EACH OF THE VARIOUS FOCUS ZONES.
I MEAN THE GROWTH ZONES, THE NODES, RIGHT.
WE DID A, AND I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE BACKGROUND AND COMMENTS FOR EACH OF THE VARIOUS.
WHY DON'T WE DO THAT? UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE BLOCKED OUT UNTIL TWO, O'CLOCK THE PROBLEM? WHY DON'T WE TAKE A 1200, 4, 1 PICK OUT A BIO BREAK AND THE SHOP WHO THEN KIND OF GET, GET ROLLING TO 12, 15 PENDING
UM, WOULD YOU HAVE THE SAME EMOTION FOR RECESS FOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECESS AND RECONVENE AT, UH, 12, 15, UH, MADAM CHAIR.
SO WHERE WE LEFT OFF WAS, UH, WE HAD JUST FINISHED THE DISCUSSION ON THAT ZONE.
A SO I GUESS NEXT B ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ZONE EIGHT? SO DON'T BE, WHICH IS LOOKED AT IN YOUR DOCUMENT.
DON'T DO THAT AT THE CORNER OF MLK AND PRINCE CREEK ROAD.
AND THAT THERE HAD ALSO BEEN INCREASED DEVELOPMENT.
AND THIS WAS ONE THAT BEGAN THAT WE WOULD HAVE MORE IMMEDIATE FOCUS, UM, LINKING
AND IT COULD BE A COUPLED WITH OPEN SPACE COMPONENTS AS WELL.
SO NOT TO BE AGAIN, OVERLY PRESCRIPTIVE, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE THINK THAT AREA IN THE FUTURE, ESPECIALLY IF THE COURT ORDER WAS PURSUED, IT'D BE MORE ACTIVATED AND HAVE LADIES THAT ARE ADDRESSED, UM, ORDERED BY THE POLICIES AND COLES WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.
SO IS THAT WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE INDUSTRIAL AREA? MORE? NO, WE'RE, WE'RE SAYING THAT THERE WOULD BE MORE OF A COMMERCIAL, UH, AND JUST SORT OF AN ACTIVITY THOUGH, THAT IS SERVING EXISTING DEVELOPMENT, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THAT MAY HAPPEN TO THE NORTH.
SO THE LANGUAGE OF THE PARAGRAPH INDICATES AN EXPANSION OF THE TRANSIT SYSTEM, PART OF THE MLK BOULEVARD, AS WELL AS FUTURE ROAD DAY DEVELOPMENT, WHICH YOU MEAN ROADWAY AS IN THE ACTUAL ROAD, OR DO YOU MEAN ROADSIDE, UH, ROAD ADJACENT WROTE AT JASON, YOU KNOW, A MORE DENSE STREET NETWORK PATHWAYS, UH, AND THEN FUTURE EXPANSION IS COUPLED WITH PRESERVATION OF EXISTING OPEN SPACE IN BOTH THE AGRICULTURAL AREAS IN HIS WESTERN AND SOUTHERN PORTIONS.
SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY DOWN IN THAT AREA, WHEN, BECAUSE OF SUITABILITY, WE DON'T SEE ANY CHANGE IN THAT AREA.
THE GREEN AREAS MOSTLY WETLANDS, RIGHT? CORRECT.
THERE ARE AREAS, SCATTERED AREAS THAT ARE SUITABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE DON'T SEE ANY KIND OF ENCOURAGE THAT DEVELOPMENT KNOW, SORT OF BRINGING IT INTO
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ONE THING AND TAKING A STEP BACK, UM, WILL BE USEFUL IN THE NECK, IN A RATIO, UH, UH, OF THE DOCUMENT THAT I THINK IS DOABLE BY MONDAY, I'D LIKE TO SHOW THE 2010 PLAN BY FOCUS AREA AND THEN RECOMMENDED 2020 BY FOCUS AREA.SO MY FOOT, AND IT IS ONE ABOVE AND ONE BELOW SO THAT THE VIEWER CAN BARELY EASILY SEE WHAT'S CHANGED.
SO OTHER THING THAT I MIGHT SUGGEST SCOTT IS, UM, THEY HAD ENLARGED MAP OF EACH OF THE FOCUS AREAS THAT SHOW THOSE ZIPS, RIGHT? SO NOT UNLIKE HOW YOU ZOOMED IN FOR US NOW FOR YOUR PRESENTATION IS A MAP WE'VE GOT THE OVERALL, BUT THEN A MAP FOR EACH OF THE FOCUS AREAS THAT SHOWS THE ZONES WITHIN THAT FOCUS AREA GETS A LITTLE MORE CONTEXT, I THINK AT THAT SCALE.
I THINK WHAT WE SHOULD DO THERE AND ACTUALLY USE IT AERIAL APP SO THAT WE CAN ROLL THAT CIRCLE OF STONES AND SHOW IT SPATIALLY ON WHAT PUBLIC GROUND THE READER CAN GO, OH, THAT'S THE WALL, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT DOING A FALL AREA PLAN, BUT A BIT MORE OBVIOUS, OH, UH, SOME IDEAS TO WHAT THE DELINEATION BETWEEN THE GRAY AND THE YELLOW IS.
AND I SUPPOSE THERE'S SOME MEANING TO THOSE IN THE TEXTS OTHER THAN DEVELOPED AND TRANSITION.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR, YEAH.
I MEAN, WHAT DID, WHAT DID IT SPEAK YOU TO, UH, BUT MAYBE WE HAVEN'T DONE IT WELL ENOUGH AT THIS POINT, IS THAT IN THE 2010 PLAN WHERE BASICALLY YOU DID THE THING, NOMENCLATURE TERMINOLOGY, THAT GROUP THEN NOW, AND THEN THE AREAS IN THE GRAY, EVEN THE COLOR SCHEME THERE IS, AND THE GRAY AREAS WERE BUILT UP AND NOW WE'RE REFERENCING THAT AND AREAS THAT WERE EITHER TRANSITIONAL OR NON TRANSITIONAL, WE'RE SHOWING THEM IN YELLOW BECAUSE WE'VE THE GENERAL PLANNING ANALYSIS WE CAN BETTER, THERE ARE MORE SUITABLE FOR THE TYPE OF GROWTH IN THE NEXT 10 TO 12 YEARS.
I, I LIKED WHERE I THINK MATT WAS GOING WITH THIS.
SO WHAT I THINK WOULD BE USEFUL FOR, UH, THE LAYMAN PERHAPS IS UNDER 5.1 HUNDRED GENERAL FINDINGS MADE IN THE LAST BIT OF THAT WE HAVE A DEFINITION IS NOT PROBABLY NOT THE RIGHT WORD, BUT A DESCRIPTION OF WHAT DEFINES, UM, DEVELOP LAND, URBAN TRANSITION.
AND OF COURSE OPEN SPACE IS PRETTY OBVIOUS, BUT, UM, NOT REALLY, BUT NOT REALLY.
SO, UH, SO I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD PARAGRAPH SECTION IN 5.1, UM, TO JUST LAY THE GROUNDWORK FOR THAT.
UM, ALSO, UM, I KNOW AS WE'RE PROCEEDING WITH, JUST WITH THE LITTLE THOUGHTS HERE, THE ZONES, THE NOSE, UM, WE HAVE THE REST OF THE CITY.
THAT'S NOT IN THE GROWTH AREAS.
UM, IF THIS PLAN IS TO SUPPLANT THE CURRENT ONE, UM, WHICH IS PERHAPS THE PREFERRED OPTION, UM, WE PROBABLY NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT THE CREST, THE FUTURE LAND USE IS FOR THAT.
NOW IT COULD JUST BE COPY AND PASTE IT OUT OF THE PREVIOUS ONE AND PUT IT IN THERE BECAUSE WHAT WE WILL HAVE IS WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE SUPPLANTING THE OLD PLAN WITH THIS PLAN.
WE WILL HAVE TO REDLINE THE OLD PLAN AS TO WHAT IS CHANGING
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AND WHAT IS, UH, WELL, WHAT'S BEING REMOVED AND WHAT'S BEING ADDED.SO THAT WAS IN MY NOTES FOR A QUESTION FOR STAFF AT THE END OF THIS IS HOW DO THESE TWO DOCUMENTS INTERFACE A NIGHTMARE.
UM, BUT, UM, WE WANT TO BE CAREFUL, WE DO THAT RIGHT.
THAT WE AREN'T THROWING THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER.
SO TO SAY, UM, SUCH AS THIS HERE, WHERE IT WAS BLANK, BECAUSE WE WILL BE, WE DO USE THIS ALL THE TIME FOR A REASONINGS.
WHAT DO YOU THINK SCOTT? UM, I MEAN, I THINK OBVIOUSLY THAT WAS ON A MONDAY, BUT I THINK THAT'S DEFINITELY, UM, YOU KNOW, PUMPING ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE THROUGH AS TO HOW DOES IT BECOME AN OVERLAY FOR PLANS OR WOVEN INTO A NEXT STAGE WHERE YOU MOVE AWAY FROM FOLK WHERE YOU KEEP THE FOCUS AREAS, BUT THE FIRST AND FOREMOST FOCUS AREAS FOR THE EXISTING CORE, MAYBE FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE THAT'S ALREADY THAT TO SPEAK TO THAT AND TO SORT OF BRING THE LAND USE FORWARD.
WHAT ABOUT, WHAT ABOUT PUTTING A NOTE IN THAT, IN THAT AREA OF THE MAP THAT SAYS 2010 PLAN OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT, WHAT ARE THEY DOING JUSTICE TO COMPARISON OF THAT SHE COULDN'T SEE THAT BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE 2010 MAP COMPARED TO OUR FOCUS MAP HERE AS A BIG DIFFERENCE.
SO, BUT FOR THAT AREA, THAT'S OUTSIDE THESE ROPES, RIGHT? THAT'S DIFFERENT FOCUS AREAS OUTSIDE OF THE FOCUS AREAS, UM, WHICH IS IN THIS CASE WHERE THE NUMBER 55 IS THERE IN THE DOWNTOWN AND ALL THE REST OF THE STUFF THAT HAS NO COLOR, UM, AND ETJ OUTSIDE TO THE LEFT.
ALL OF THOSE WOULD THE, AND IN THE TEXT, HOPEFULLY WE WOULD THEN ADD A SENTENCE OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT THAT, UH, EVERYTHING, THAT WAY WE, UM, IT'S COVERED, IF YOU WERE JUST REFERENCING, YOU'D PROBABLY BE BETTER.
SO THAT STILL LEAVES US WITH A QUESTION ABOUT IF WE HAVE THE RED LINE, CAUSE WE'RE NOT ELIMINATING THE 2010 PLAN BECAUSE WE DID THAT.
WE WOULD HAVE NOTHING THAT YOU'RE RIGHT.
LEGALLY YOU WOULD HAVE NOTHING THAT THIS AREA IS REFERENCING, UNLESS, UH, IS IT POSSIBLE, DO YOU THINK THAT CONTINUE, MAYBE THIS IS, I DUNNO, OUTSIDE OF YOUR EXPERTISE.
UM, BUT, BUT MAYBE, UM, JUST FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE, UM, CAN WE REFERENCE A DOCUMENT THAT IS NO LONGER A B JUST LIKE THE RESILIENCY PLAN IT'S, UM, IT'S NO LONGER THE AUTHORITATIVE DOCUMENT, BUT IT IS A DOCUMENT THAT EXISTS, UM, AND THEREFORE COULD BE REFERENCED AS PART SO WE CAN BUILD THE LANGUAGE.
SO IT, UM, THE IT'S INCORPORATED AS PART OF THIS DOCUMENT BY REFERENCE.
SO IT WAS YOUR QUESTION THEN THE LITTLE WORDS QUESTION, AND IT'S 2010 PLAN INCORPORATED BY REFERENCE AND READ CONSISTENTLY HERE WITH, IS THAT YOUR QUESTION? WELL, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE CONSISTENTLY READY, I GUESS, TO THE EXTENT THE BEST POSSIBLE POSSIBLE.
I WONDER, I WONDER IF THAT ACTUALLY GETS FLIPPED, WHEREAS THIS BECOMES AN APPENDIX TO THE 2010 AND THEN MODIFIES THE 2010 MODIFIES THE 2010 PLAN BECAUSE WE'RE, WELL, I THINK WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THE 2010 PLAN STILL HAS, UM, BUT YEAH, EVERYTHING THAT IS NOT BEING UPDATED IS STILL APPLICABLE.
SO, UH, BUT WE HAVE POLICIES AND WE HAVE THEIR PARAGRAPHS OF INFORMATION THAT ARE SAME TOPIC, BUT DIFFERENT WORDS, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO, UH, ON TUESDAY MORNING,
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UH, HAVE TO, UH, READ THE, BOTH OF THEM TOGETHER AND COMPARE AND REMOVE, YOU KNOW, STRIKE THROUGH, PROVIDE A DOCUMENT.THAT'S WHAT THE ALDERMAN REQUIRE IS A DOCUMENT THAT SHOWS WHAT THE SPECIFIC CHANGES ARE CONCISE.
AND SO THAT, THAT WAS A, THAT WAS A QUESTION I HAD FROM THE ORIGINAL DRAFT IS HOW DO THESE TWO DOCUMENTS INTERFACE? AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I SEE A CLEAR PATH THERE.
AND SO IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE STAFF DOESN'T HAVE A CLEAR PATH EITHER.
YOU COULD SPEND WHY HE'S GOT HERE.
WE HAVE NO REFERENCE PAGES TO ANYTHING WROTE IN IT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE 2010, THERE'S A WHOLE PAGE OF REFERENCES.
COULD YOU NOT INCLUDE THAT IN THIS ONE AND THEN MAKE REFERENCE TO THE 2010 PLAN? THANK YOU.
BUT I THINK FROM WHAT I THINK WHAT MATT IS SAYING, CORRECT ME, IF I'M WRONG, MATT, IS THAT BY VIRTUE OF ADOPTING THIS NEW DOCUMENT, YOU ARE IN ESSENCE MAKING CHANGES TO WHAT'S IN THIS DOCUMENT.
AND SO IF SOMEONE TAKES THIS, UNLESS YOU SPECIFICALLY SAY WHAT CHANGES.
WELL, I'M GOING TO SAY, UNLESS YOU SPECIFICALLY SAY IN THE ADOPTING LEGISLATION, THIS NEW DOCUMENT, WELL, UH, REPLACES THE PREVIOUS ONE.
SO, SO THE NEXT POSSIBILITY IS ONE, WHAT, UM, RAYMOND WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT IS IT IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE EXISTING ONE.
OR WHAT I WAS TRYING TO ASK IS CAN WE, UH, UH, MAKE THE EXISTING ONE NO LONGER THE LEGAL DOCUMENT BY ITSELF, ESSENTIALLY SUPPLANTED WHEN THIS NEW ONE, BUT REFERENCE, REFERENCE IT JUST LIKE IT'S A HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLAN OVER HERE OR PEDESTRIAN OVER THERE.
YOU SAID THAT THAT'S DIFFERENT.
SO THIS, THIS, THIS IS THE NEW RIGHT DOCUMENT.
AND THEN THIS IS REFERENCED OR CAN BE INDEPENDENCE.
I MEAN, I ACTUALLY KNOW THIS STORE IS MAKING ITS OWN APPENDIX THAT THIS, THIS, BECAUSE THERE'S STILL VALID INFORMATION IN HERE THAT IS NOT COVERED IN THIS UPDATE, RIGHT? SO IT'S LIKE THE REST OF THE CITY THAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS OF GRAY.
THEY'RE NOT DEALT WITH IN THIS UPDATE, BUT IT IS DEALT WITH WITHIN, WITHIN THE 2010.
SO WITHOUT BEING INTIMATE, THE 2010 PLAN, WHICH I'M NOT, I DON'T KNOW TO WHAT EXTENT THEY CAN BE READ TOGETHER.
SO THAT GIVES ME PAUSE ABOUT ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION CORRECTLY.
WHAT THIS BOARD COULD DO IS YOU COULD GIVE STAFF DIRECTION TO FIGURE OUT WAY TO READ THE 2010 PLAN AND THIS CURRENT UPDATE CONSISTENTLY WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE UPDATE WOULD SUPPLANT ANY INFORMATION THAT MAY BE CONSISTENT BETWEEN THE TWO, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
SO I, I SEE THIS AS, UM, MUDDY WATER FOR MONDAY, RIGHT? SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY OUGHT TO BE DETERMINED HOW WE DEAL WITH BEFORE MONDAY.
UM, KNOWING AS I DO AT LEAST WHAT I'VE LOOKED AT, THE TWO DOCUMENTS, I REALLY LIKED THAT IDEA, MATT, BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T SUPPLANT, THEN YOU'VE GOT TO, YOU'VE ALWAYS GOT TO, YOU'VE GOT TO SEE WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT TO SAY, OKAY, I'M ON THIS PARAGRAPH.
WELL, HAS THAT BEEN UPDATED OVER HERE? SOMEBODY'S GOT A RED LINE THAT I WAS GOING TO FIGURE THAT OUT, BUT I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF YOU SIMPLY ADD THIS, UM, THE 2010 PLAN TO, TO THE CURRENT UPDATE, UH, AS AN APPENDIX, AND THEN THIS BECOMES A DOCUMENT AND THAT'S STILL IN THERE BY REFERENCE, RIGHT? I MEAN, I, THAT, THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION OF HOW YOU DEAL WITH THAT, BECAUSE I WAS STILL WASN'T CLEAR HOW WE WERE GOING TO DO THAT.
THAT WAS OUR LANGUAGE WOULD HAVE TO SAY THE LANGUAGE OF UPDATE AND SHELL SUPERSEDE ANY CONFLICTING LANGUAGE IN THE 90 10, SOMETHING TO THAT, SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
BUT I THINK THOUGH, EVENTUALLY SOMEONE'S GOING TO HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT.
I THINK THAT WORKS FOR, FOR THE ULTIMATE TO VOTE ON IT, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS GOING TO BE, I THINK IF YOU DON'T DO IT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CALL FUSE, ESPECIALLY IT'S A COMPLETE REINTERPRETING THINGS THAT SHOULD NOT BE REINTERPRETED.
AND YOU ALSO MIGHT WANT TO BEAR IN MIND THE FACT THAT WE ANTICIPATE THAT THERE WILL BE SIGNIFICANT OR AT LEAST ADDITIONAL UPDATES TO EVEN THIS UPDATE.
SO IT MAY BE AS TIME PROGRESSES THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER AND BEGINNING OF THE FALL, RIGHT? THESE, THESE
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ISSUES COME TO BEAR.THERE'S ADDITIONAL TIME TO ANALYZE.
AND AS WE'RE MAKING TWEETS, CAN YOU ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS? YEAH.
MAYBE NOT ALL THE WAY WHERE, WHERE WE NEED TO GET, OR YOU NEED TO GET WRITTEN.
IF THE DEADLINE IS JUST A STOP GAP TO GET US WHERE WE NEED TO BE RIGHT THIS MINUTE.
SO THAT, AND I, YEAH, I THINK MY LOGIC AND ADDING THE UPDATE TO THE 2010 PLAN AS AN APPENDIX WAS FLAWED FOR THAT REASON.
I LIKE WHAT YOU SUGGESTED BETTER MATT, BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS LOOK AT THE UPDATE FIRST WINDOW, THAT WAY.
AND THEN THE REGIONAL LAND USE PLAN FROM 2010 IS A SUPPORTING DOCUMENT.
AND THEN ULTIMATELY IT CAN BE REDLINED OR WHATEVER
BUT I THINK FROM THE STANDPOINT OF HAVING A SINGULAR DOCUMENT TO DEAL WITH, I LIKE THAT THAT'S PROBABLY THE BETTER LOGICAL WAY TO DO IT IN THE LONG RUN.
I CAN NOT REMOVE THE PARTS OF THE 2010 PLAN THAT HAVE BEEN SUPERSEDED AND CREATE ONE NEW DOCUMENT, WHICH WOULD MAKE THE MOST SENSE OF ALL THAT.
THAT SHOULD PROBABLY BE THE GOAL.
I MEAN, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S, UH, FROM SCOTT'S POINT OF VIEW, UH, I MEAN THAT, THAT'S A DIFFERENT CONTRACT, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S A, THAT'S A DIFFERENT PROPOSAL, DIFFERENT, OKAY.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? OTHERWISE, WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING THIS AND THERE'S GOING TO BE NO, I AGREE COMPLETELY.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, AND THAT WOULD BE THE OPPORTUNITY THEN IF IT'S NO LONGER A REGIONAL LAND USE PLAN, IF IT'S TRULY A CITY OF NEWBURGH LANDIS' PLAN, UM, AND RIVERBED IN TRICK WOODS NEEDS TO BE EXTRACTED FROM THAT.
AND THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH THEIR OWN.
THAT CAN ALL BE PART OF THAT LARGER PROCESS AT SOME POINT DOWN THE ROAD, BUT FOR CRACKING THE NUT FOR MONDAY.
I LIKE WHAT MATT HAS SUGGESTED IS PUTTING IN REFERENCING THE 2010 LAND USE PLAN THIS AND LET IT SUPPLANT, UH, 20 FLIP THE NEW UPDATE SUPPLANT THE, UM, THE 20, THAT'S PROBABLY THE CLEANER WAY TO DEAL WITH IT.
AND MAYBE I LIKE THAT, MATT, IF THERE'S SOME LANGUAGE THAT WANTS TO WRITE, I DON'T WANT TO GET IT WRONG.
GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF TIME, EVEN IF IT'S LIKE A PARAGRAPH THAT WE PUT UP IN THE INTRODUCTION, SAY, YOU KNOW, THE CONTENTS OF THE DOCUMENT, UH, DEPENDED TO BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, YOU KNOW, AND THE 2010 ORIGINAL LAND USE PLAN REMAIN IN EFFECT FOR THOSE AREAS NOT COVERED, UH, WITHIN, UH, THE FOCUS AREAS DESCRIBED HERE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, UH, JAMIE, YOU THINK WE COULD WORK ON WHAT THAT SENTENCE OR PARAGRAPH NEEDS TO BE, OR, AND DOES IT EVEN NEED TO BE IN THIS DOCUMENT AS OPPOSED TO IN THE RESUME ELLUCIAN, THAT PROBABLY THAT WOULD BE A WRESTLER.
I WAS GOING TO SAY, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
THE SHORT ANSWER TO YOUR SEAT BELT AND SUSPENDERS AND FIND OUT THAT SOMETHING DOES A CALL SHORT ANSWERS.
I CAN HELP YOU WITH LANGUAGE AND WE CAN DETERMINE WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE PLACED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CHAIR, I THINK THE CONSENSUS OF THE GROUP IS PUTTING EVERYWHERE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW OLD WOULD IT BE BEFORE IT'S REALLY FINALIZED.
SO SOMEBODY IS GOING TO BE USING THIS THE LINE.
SO AS A BROAD DISCUSSION HERE IN HOW WE MAKE THAT CONNECTION AND SCOTT, THIS YOUR OPINION AS WELL, IS THERE ANY OBJECTION THAT I'M IN FAVOR OF SO THAT IT BECOMES A SINGULAR DOCUMENT? NOT NECESSARILY THAT SCOTT, YOUR FIRM HAS TAKEN CREDIT FOR 80 COMMS WORK, BUT THAT IT BECOMES AN APPENDIX TO YOU AND ACTUALLY GETS INCLUDED WITH THE PDF SO THAT WHEN YOU OPEN ONE, YOU GET THE FULL THING.
AND THIS IS AN APPENDIX TO THE ATTENDANT.
WE HAVE APPENDIX A OR ONE OR WHATEVER WE CALL IT THAT'S TABLES AND FIGURES.
AND THEN WE HAVE APPENDIX B OR TWO, WHICHEVER IS WHICH IS THE 2010
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REGIONAL LAND USE PLAN.YOU GET ONE PDF THAT HAS EVERYTHING IN, WHEN YOU DOWNLOAD IT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO HUNTING AND PICKING, WHICH IS HOW THINGS GET MISSED AND, AND, UH, AND LOST.
I THINK THAT MAKES TOTAL SENSE.
WHICHEVER WE CAN DO THAT AND HAVE THAT AS APPENDIX B AND THAT JUST IN THE CONVEYED PDF ON MONDAY, WE JUST IT ADD IT.
SO NOW WE'VE GOT TO CIRCLE BACK TO THE ZONES CAUSE WE DIDN'T FINISH THE ZONES, THE FOCUS OF, BUT ONE OTHER THING I WOULD ADD SCOTT, JUST MAYBE A PIECE OF HOUSEKEEPING IS NOW THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS DOCUMENT, SUPPLANTING THE, UH, UH, THE, THE 2010 PLAN.
WE PROBABLY NEED A, UM, A, A PAGE IN THE FRONT THAT IDENTIFIES MAYOR BOARD OF ALL OF THEM DEVELOP A SERVICE STAFF PLANS ON BOARD AND YOUR COMPANY.
UM, NOT UNLIKE WHAT YOU SEE IN THE 2010 VERSION, SINCE THIS NOW BECOMES THE DOCUMENT.
UM, WE WILL HAVE ALL THAT, ALL THOSE, ALL THAT INFORMATION, RIGHT.
WELL THAT, ALL THE CURRENT INFORMATION.
CAUSE THAT WOULDN'T CHANGE FOR THE 2010.
IF YOU, IF YOU PUT, GAVE YOU TO LOOK IT UP ON THE WEB, BUT IT'D BE PROVIDED THE DOOR HAD ACCURATE.
SO MAYBE WE GIVE BACK TO FOLKS.
AND AT SOME POINT HAVE THE DATE.
SO I MEAN, IT'S ESSENTIALLY, IT'S THE, THE, UM, THE IDENTIFICATION PAGE.
SO YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT IS OTHER THAN JUST THE COVER.
UM KNOW, SO WE DON'T UNDER THE COVER DIRECTOR TABLE.
YOU'VE GOT THE, THE, ESSENTIALLY THE TITLE PAGE AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE CREDIT PAGE.
YOU KNOW, ON THIS MAP, YOU KNOW, WE CALLED THE THING, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHERE I AM, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU GOT ROUGHLY WITH THE TERMINOLOGY, EVEN WHEN I DO THESE CIRCLES THAT SAYS GROWTH THOUGH.
I DON'T REALLY THINK THAT THERE'S GROWTH IN THE YELLOW AS WELL.
I REALLY THINK THERE'S SPECIAL AREAS, AREAS THAT ARE FOCUSED.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT EVERYONE'S OPINION.
WE KEEP IT WITH THAT NOMENCLATURE, BUT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANT A READER TO SERVICE.
ONLY GROWTH IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
THEY'RE MORE AREAS FOCUSED ON OPPORTUNITY THOUGH.
THAT'S PROBABLY THAT GOT TWO COOKIES.
I MEAN, SOME PLACES WOULD CALL OR YEAH, BECAUSE THIS ONE, THAT'S A JOURNEY ALREADY.
WEST NEWBURN IS ALREADY, HE IS ALREADY PLANTED AND WROTE IT OUT, YOU IT UP APART.
SO IT IS, YOU DID IT THEN CROP THAT, UM, IT IS AN IMPORTANT OPPORTUNITY THOUGH, OF BUILT UP YET.
THAT'S RIGHT THERE IN THE WEST LABOR AREA.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY GOT, UH, IT'S KIND OF A MULTI-USE IT'S UNDER DEVELOPMENT AND HAS A RESIDENTIAL, IT'S GOT A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING HERE AND IT SHOULD BE YEP.
AND THEN THE INDUSTRIAL WAS MORE ALONG NEUSE BOULEVARD.
UM, SO YEAH, I GUESS IT KIND OF GETS ALL IN THAT, UH, THE BIG GREEN CIRCLE FOR ZONE C AS YOU GOT IT A LITTLE BIT EVERYTHING.
SO BACK WHEN YOU GET ALL THE NEWS, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE A BOUGHT A BOSCH AND UH, YOU KNOW, OVER THERE.
SO, UM, I'M NOT QUITE THE, IS A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT FARTHER THEN A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT WHAT WE'RE TRACKING.
SO, UM, OPPORTUNITY OPPORTUNITIES THOUGH.
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YEAH.THAT SOUNDS WHAT KEEPS YOU, BUT I'M ALREADY WITHIN WHATEVER.
THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN FOCUS, UH, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES, BUT SO MUCH YOU CALL IT A LOCAL OPPORTUNITIES TO DIFFERENTIATE IT FROM FEDERAL LOCALIZED LOCAL.
NOW I, I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH A DEVELOPMENT ZONE, BUT, BUT I THOUGHT I COULD SEE HOW THAT MIGHT, MIGHT, UH, COULD BE MISLEADING.
AND IF IT'S, UM, THAT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING ELSE, WE'LL FIGURE SOMETHING ELSE OUT, SOMETHING LIKE TIGHT TIGHTLY.
SO DID WE FINISH OUR KIND OF GOING OVER OUR FOCUS AREAS? I DON'T KNOW THAT WE DID.
WE KEEP GETTING SIDETRACKED, RIGHT.
IS EVERYONE CLEAR ON B? RIGHT.
CAUSE IT WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME, IT WAS A DIFFERENT PHONE FROM A, AND THAT IT HAS MORE, UM, WHERE OPPORTUNITY FOR OPEN SPACE CONNECTIONS OR OPEN SPACE INTEGRATION INTO DEVELOPMENT.
AND WHO KNOWS THAT COULD IMPLY THEN, UM, DIFFERENT KINDS OF ZONING THAN WE HAVE CURRENTLY OUT THERE THAT MIGHT REQUIRE MORE OPEN SPACES.
I MEAN, IT COULD BE FOUR, IT COULD BE FORM-BASED, UH, FALL AREA PLAN WITH SOME FORM BASED CODE OR, YOU KNOW, I DEFINITELY THINK THERE ARE LOCATIONS THAT ARE WORTHWHILE OF PREDICTING.
THAT WOULD BE, UM, THE 43 FOCUSED THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, BACK TO THE, BACK TO THE MAP, YOU KNOW, ON THE MLK FOCUS AREA, WE TALKED ABOUT THE BIG, THE BIGGEST CHANGE FROM, AND, AND AGAIN, WHEN I RECAPSULATE ALL THESE NOTES, I'LL, I'LL PUT TOGETHER ALMOST, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL THE NOTES.
HERE'S WHAT I HEARD AND HERE'S WHERE THE CHANGES ARE.
AND ONE OF THE CHANGES WE JUST TALKED ABOUT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, A PICTURE OF THE FOCUS AREA IN THE 2010 PLAN AND THEN OUR PLAN.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE CHANGES AT BOTH, UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, TO INCLUDE, AND THEN TO INCLUDE THE OPPORTUNITIES ON, ON, AT A MUCH MORE DETAILED SCALE ON TOP OF AN AERIAL WITH THE CIRCLES.
SO AGAIN, THE READER CAN CLEARLY SEE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AREAS AND THE STREET NETWORK THAT EXISTS TODAY OR, OR COULD EXIST IN THE FUTURE.
BUT I SAY THAT BECAUSE AT LEAST IN THIS AREA, THIS HAS CHANGED BESIDES THE ZONE IS THE MOVE TO, YOU KNOW, BEING IN URBAN TRANSITION WITH THE EXPECTATIONS THAT IT WOULDN'T, IF THERE'S NO ROAD HERE, IT DOESN'T TRANSITION.
BUT IF THIS FUTURE LINK COMES ALONG, THAT'S REALLY SUITABLE FOR EXTENSION UTILITIES AND FOR, UM, ALL THE THINGS THAT WOULD MAKE IT SUITABLE FOR DEVELOP.
UH, SO OF ANYTHING BESIDES THE, THE BIGGEST CHANGE IN THIS AREA VERSUS THE 2010 PLAN, THAT'S ONE
SO DOES, IS THERE ANYWHERE IN OUR POLICIES OR ELSEWHERE THAT, UM, EMPHASIZES THE NEED FOR THAT CONNECTION? UH, I'D SAY, NO, I DON'T THINK WE, I DON'T THINK WE SPELL IT OUT DESIRABLE, THROW THAT IN THERE.
TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE.
WELL, THAT, THAT WOULD BE A B IN ONE POINT I'LL FIND THE RIGHT SPOT FOR IT PROVIDED THERE, BUT ISN'T THAT ALREADY PROJECTED TO BECOMING THAT'S A STATE CAN CONNECT THOSE 40, 43 OVER IT'S ALREADY THERE.
HONESTLY, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE THAT THAT'S A QUESTION FOR KIM, IS IT? YEAH, IT'S COMING.
I AM TO MAKE CERTAIN IT IS OKAY.
BECAUSE WITH THE DLT MEETING THAT I ATTENDED, IT'S LEGISLATED
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TO COME, IT'S ALREADY PLANNED AND IT'S FUN.THEY WERE SAYING IT'S GOING TO BE 20, 25.
I THINK AT LEAST, UM, THE FRAMEWORK FOR YOU GUYS.
SO IF WE LOOK AT PAGE 43 ATTORNEY POLICY, I F 1.4 AND IN PARTICULAR, 1.4 POINT TO CONNECT US
SO, UH, DELETE CONNECTOR ROADS.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S IT.
UM, AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO ELABORATE ON THAT OR NOT.
UM, BUT THAT'S YEAH, THAT'S THE, THAT'S AN ACTION ITEM LISTED THERE, SO I THINK YOU GOT IT.
YEAH, THAT WAS ONE OF THOSE TRANSPORTATION BACK IN.
SO IN THE NORTH AREA, ORIGINALLY, ALL OF THIS, THERE WAS NO, NO DEVELOPMENT AT ALL HERE.
IF I RECALL, I DON'T HAVE AN APARTMENT, SO WHERE I NEEDED IT ALREADY HAS ALREADY HAPPENED.
IT'S ALREADY NOW IN TRANSITION.
SO WE'RE REALLY JUST KIND OF CATCHING UP WITH WHAT ALREADY HAPPENED IN THE AREA IN AND AROUND.
SO WE, THEN WE BRING THAT FORWARD AND WE KEEP THAT AS TRANSITIONAL BECAUSE IT'S NOT BUILT UP YET.
THEY ALL, THE MORE REASON TO HAVE A 2010 MAP, THE 2010 MAP WITH THE 20, 22 MINUTES.
AND WE'RE PRETTY GENERAL ABOUT WHAT WE SAY IN THE, YOU KNOW, IT IS A, UH, A DEVELOPMENT IN PROGRESS THAT IS WELL SUITED FOR MAJOR GROWTH, GIVEN ITS PROXIMITY TO FIX IT REALLY SHOULD BE QUEUE IT AND FUTURE ROADWAY, DEVELOPMENT, EXISTING ROADWAY, INFRASTRUCTURE, AND FUTURE ROADWAY DEVELOPMENT, LOOKING AT PEOPLE.
I THINK I'M PROBABLY GOING TO WORK, SUBMIT THE AFFECTION AGAIN.
ACTUALLY, I'M GOING TO JUMP IN AND DO A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT MORE TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THAT.
AND THEN THEY'LL D OPPORTUNITIES.
DON'T D THIS ONE, THIS, THIS AREA IS ALREADY DEVELOPED, OBVIOUSLY.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE MAPPED IT.
AS YOU BUILD UP, THESE ARE TWO TRACKS THAT IT'S NOT THE BILL.
I, I, I CAN TAKE THAT OR LEAVE IT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN SEE WHERE THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE SOME FOCUSES, SUBSTANCE USE DEVELOPMENT.
I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S WORTH SIGNIFICANT INPUT THIS PERSON, THE FIRST THREE THAT WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED.
THAT IS A TRULY THAT OPPORTUNISTIC IN THAT ERA.
I MEAN, I COULD SEE IT BOTH WAY.
UM, AND SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THE BOARD AND ME VERSUS WHAT VERSUS THIS AREA.
THAT DEVELOPMENT PROBABLY NEEDS TO HAPPEN, BUT DO WE REALLY NEED TO CALL ATTENTION TO, IT NEEDS TO BE SPECIAL THERE, SO I'M NOT SURE IF YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH THAT.
WELL, LET'S SEE THE, UM, THE SUITABILITY MAP THAT YOU CREATED HARDLY EVEN READ SUITABLE.
WE, IT'S NOT FROM THE CRITERIA.
IT WASN'T A SUITABLE INFILL, EVERYTHING ELSE AROUND THE BUILT UP.
WE SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, IT MAKES SENSE TO, BUT WE WEREN'T SUGGESTING ANY, ANYTHING IN THE, IN THE SOME D SENTENCE.
UH, WE AREN'T SUGGESTING ANYTHING OTHER THAN HOUSING FOR HOUSING.
BUT THIS THAT WE'VE GOT ON HERE FOR THAT 70, WHERE HE'S GOT HIS MD, THAT'S NOT THE LANGUAGE FOR D THAT'S RECEIVED.
SO IF YOU GO UP TO WHERE IT SAYS, UH, IN THE 43 FOCUS AREAS WHERE IT SAYS, GRIDSTONE SEE, THAT'S ACTUALLY DEEP FOR YOURSELF.
I'D GO THROUGH CROSS ALL HIS HEAD.
I DID THE OTHER ONES, BUT WHEN I GOT DOWN TO WHERE D WAS, AND THAT BECAME C
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C BECOME CAPE, I WENT BACK.SO THERE'S ONE SENTENCE THAT JUST SAYS READY TO BE DEVELOPED FOR HOUSING.
ALMOST LIKE IT WAS AN AFTERTHOUGHT.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, TH THE, THE DEVELOPMENT WITHIN ZONE C MIKE SPUR SOME DEVELOPMENT IN ZONE D ZIMMER SIMPLY BECAUSE OF PROXIMITY, BUT I'M KIND OF WITH YOU, SCOTT, I'M NOT SURE THAT IT REQUIRES A, UH, A BULLET NECESSARILY OR A BULLS-EYE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, IF I GO OVER HERE, YEAH.
WELL, WE THINK IT'S SUITABLE FOR HOUSING AND WHERE WE'RE CALLING A BRAND FORWARD, HELPING OTHER KINDS OF SMALLER COMMUNITY SERVING THINGS, BUT HERE AT THE SAME THING HERE.
WELL, AND IF ALL WE CAN COME UP WITH TO SAY, IF ALL WE CAN COME UP AND SAY IS AS SUITABLE FOR HOUSING, I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF FITS A LOT OF THINGS WITHIN THE CITY.
A LOT OF AREAS TO THINK CAN BE DEVELOPED.
SO BEFORE WE MOVE YOUR IMAGE THERE, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE GREEN ZONES AND WHAT THEY MEAN, BECAUSE WE SEE THERE'S A LITTLE YUP.
RIGHT NEXT TO THE ZONE C UH, THERE IS A LITTLE YELLOW BULLET ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 43, WHICH APPARENTLY REPRESENTS THE, UH, THE, UM, LICENSE, THE DMV.
UM, BUT I MEAN, WHY, WHY IS IT NOT ENTIRELY YELLOW ALONG THAT ENTIRE THING? OR WHY IS IT GREEN? IS IT JUST BECAUSE IT'S NOT, IT DOESN'T SHOW UP AS SUITABLE.
IT DOESN'T SHOW UP AS SOON, BUT OBVIOUSLY IT'S BEEN 50 FEET OF A VOT ROAD, BUT MAYBE IT HAS NO UTILITIES OVER THERE AND THAT'S ACROSS A QUARTER OR ACROSS A, UH, A UTILITY CORRIDOR.
AND SO, UM, YEAH, GOOD QUESTION.
I MEAN, IT WOULD BE, IN MY OPINION, FIND IT, UH, THE CONCEPT OF THE GREEN BELT COMMUNITIES.
AS FINE AS A PIECE OF GREEN BELT.
UH, BUT, UM, AND IT'S ALL FULLY WOODED.
UM, SO, UM, BUT IT'S RIGHT ON 43.
SO IS IT RIGHT FOR JUST LIKE THE DMV RIGHT.
FOR DEVELOPMENT, OR IS THE GREEN AREA AN AREA WHERE YOU HAVE, AGAIN, KIND OF THE OPEN SPACE SUBDIVISION KIND OF SCENARIO WHERE COMMERCIAL END OR RESIDENTIAL IS REQUIRED TO HAVE A HIGHER DEGREE OF OPEN SPACE THAN MOST OTHER ONES? YEAH.
SO, SO I'LL, I'LL TOSS THIS IN, IF I MAY ON THAT AREA RIGHT.
SO KIND OF THAT, UH, TAN RECTANGLE THAT YOU SEE THERE, THAT'S WHERE THE DMV SIDE IS.
SO ABOUT THAT DEPTH ALL THE WAY ALONG 43, THAT IS WHAT I'LL SAY AVAILABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT AND ALL OF THE STUFF TO THE WEST OF THAT LINE.
IF YOU DRAW THAT PARALLEL 43, UM, IS OPEN SPACE AT THE MOMENT.
I'M NOT SURE THERE'S A RIGHT NOW, A GOOD WAY TO CONNECT OR FROST THERE.
UM, BUT I WOULD CERTAINLY, IF, IF I WERE DRAWING THIS MAP, IF WE GO BACK TO THE WOMAN WE WERE LOOKING AT, SO THAT WOULD BE A PAGE 52.
IF WE ARE A DRAWING THAT MAP, I WOULD HAVE A SWATH OF LAND.
IF, AS DEEP AS THAT PARCEL RIGHT THERE, THAT PARALLELS 43, THAT WOULD BE YELLOW OR TRANSITIONAL.
AND THEN MAYBE KEEP THE REST OF THAT OVER THERE.
GREEN, BECAUSE I THINK THERE ARE PLANS TO DEVELOP ALREADY.
A WAREHOUSER ALREADY HAS PLANS TO DEVELOP SOME OF THAT.
NOW SOME OF IT'S ALSO IN THE, UM, RIGHT AWAY, QUARTER FOUR, HOW HE'S 70.
SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME THINGS THERE, BUT FROM THE, FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS DIAGRAM, I WOULD, THAT WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO PUT A BAND THERE THAT, UM, IS YELLOW CALLS A TRANSITIONAL, AND THEN SHOWS THAT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY FOR TRANSITIONAL DEVELOPMENTAL, EITHER SIDE
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OF 43 CONNECTOR.AND ON THE BACK THAT, FOR SOME REASON ON THE MAPPING, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT WHO IT WAS MET OR WAS OVERLOOKED BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE LAND USE PLAN, NOW THAT SAME AREA YOU'RE DESCRIBING, RIGHT.
SO I THINK WE AT MINIMUM HAVE TO GO BACK AND FOR JUMPING AROUND, BUT HERE'S THAT P THAT SLIVER THERE, AND WE COULD ARGUE IF YOU COME OUT EVEN FURTHER, I THINK THE LOGIC WAS WE LEFT IT BECAUSE THERE'S NO NEW ROADWAY PROPOSED OUT THERE.
AND ALSO THIS IDEA THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT TO, YOU DON'T WANT TO ALLOW EVERYTHING TO BE BUILT ONE.
SO PERHAPS THESE 10, 12, 15 YEARS A RELIEF VALVE, AND YOU SAY, OKAY, NOW IS THE RIGHT TIME FOR THIS TO BE SUITABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT, AS OPPOSED TO KIND OF MAKING EVERYTHING AVAILABLE.
AND, AND TO THAT POINT, I THINK THAT THAT SLIVER AS WE'VE TAKEN A CALL TO HERE IN THE LAST MINUTE OR SO THAT IS, UM, CERTAINLY TRANSITIONAL BECAUSE THERE ARE UTILITIES THERE, AND THERE IS SOME DEVELOPMENT ALREADY THERE IN PLANS FOR DEVELOPMENT ON EITHER SIDE OF THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT.
SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE A REASONABLE AND APPROPRIATE THING TO DO.
THERE WOULD BE TO EXTEND THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY THAT SAME WIDTH PARALLEL TO 43RD TO MORE ACCURATELY DEPICT WHAT THE CONDITIONS OVER THERE.
AND WE CAN, WE'LL DEFINITELY DO THAT.
SO THIS IS WHERE THE RUBBER HITS THE ROAD IS ACTUALLY AT YOU'RE AT THIS BOARD'S TABLE.
UM, BECAUSE, UH, ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT, UM, IS, UH, WEIGHED AGAINST WHAT THE LAND USE PLAN ABSOLUTELY SUGGESTS OR, OR DO PAYMENTS FOR THAT AREA.
SO, UM, IF YOU, IF YOU WERE IN A POSITION WHERE YOU REALLY WANTED, I DON'T KNOW, TIFFANY, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING IS COMING TO TOWN AND THEY WANT TO PUT THERE EITHER RETAIL OR MAYBE EVEN A MANUFACTURING THING, A BUNCH OF JEWELERS GOING ON, WORKING ON THERE AND YOU REALLY WANT THAT, BUT IT'S IN THE GREEN AREA, RIGHT? WHICH IS FUTURE LAND USE OPEN SPACE.
THEN THERE, YOU KNOW, THE STAFF REVIEWS ARE GOING TO SAY, WELL, THIS DOESN'T REALLY MATCH.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T MEET THE, UH, THIS IS NOT OPEN SPACE.
IT DOESN'T MEET THE, UH, DESCRIPTION IN THE LAND USE PLAN IS THAT THAT'S A THAT'S RIGHT THERE.
AND A PART OF EVERY STAFF REVIEW WE GET FOR EVERY ITEM THAT COMES BEFORE US IS, DOES THIS APPLICATION, UM, IS IT, UH, IN LINE WITH WHAT IS, UH, UH, ILLUSTRATED AND IDENTIFIED IN THE LAND USE PLAN? SO I WANT TO, I KIND OF, I'M COMING OVER TO YOUR SIDE SITE THAT I KIND OF FEEL LIKE MAYBE WE OUGHT TO MAKE THAT WHOLE AREA OVER THERE.
UH, DESPITE, UM, WELL, I LIKE THAT IDEA THAT YELLOW STRIP.
AND THAT STILL LEAVES A GREEN STRIP THERE.
CAN YOU JUST MAKE THE YELLOW STRIP? YEAH.
WHAT, WHAT EVERYBODY MADE ON DATA IS AT THE BACK OF THAT YELLOW STRIP IS A DUKE ENERGY EASEMENT.
THAT'S ABOUT 102 HUNDRED FEET WIDE THAT YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH DRIVE.
SO THERE'S A MAJOR POWER OF WATER GOING THROUGH THEM.
YOU CAN'T HAVE ROUTES THROUGH THERE.
SO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS VIDEO.
AND SO THE BOUNDARY OF THAT, HE JUST DIDN'T SHOW UP ON THIS ONE.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THAT LINE ON THE 2010.
THAT'S WHAT THAT DEPICT US THAT CORNER.
AND SO THAT'S, AND THAT'S PROBABLY EXACTLY WHY THAT LINE WAS DRAWN.
THERE IS BECAUSE THAT'S THE DUKE ENERGY, UM, USED TO BE CPA OLD.
THAT WAS DUKE ENERGY POWER, BUT I THINK IT'S A 200, 200 OR 250 FOOT WIDE EASEMENT.
IT MATCHES THAT THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHERE THAT OOH AREA WOULD REFLECT THEM OVER TO THE OTHER ONE IS YELLOW.
THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S A GOOD, WHICH I THINK ALREADY HAS SOME, SOME PLANS UNDER DEVELOPMENT FROM A MASTER PLANNING, AT LEAST FROM WHERE I
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HAVE TO STAY IN DISTANCE FROM THAT EASEMENT.THESE OUTLINES ARE IN THE MIDDLE.
SO THAT EASEMENT IS THE BACK OF THAT LINE.
SO WITH THAT DISCUSSION, DO WE WANT TO PUT THE YELLOW, HE DID THAT LINE.
SO THAT LINE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE WINCH SLIVER, THE SLIVER, WE'RE GOING TO ZAP EVERYTHING, STOP THAT LINE THAT, THAT CREATES THE, THE WESTERN BOUNDARY OF THE SLIVER, EVERYTHING TO THE EAST OF THAT 2 43 WOULD BE YELLING AT TRANSITIONAL.
IF WE'RE GOING TO FIND THEM, IF YOU CAN FIND THE EASEMENT RIGHT ALONG.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THAT LOT IS.
SO IT'S PRIMARILY A MINOR CHANGE AT THE TRIANGULAR TO THEY'RE PRIMARILY PICKED THAT.
AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO REMOVE THIS CALL OUT I'M ON BOARD WITH THAT.
SO THAT MEANS THAT THE, ESSENTIALLY THE, THE LAST SENTENCE OF THE SECTION UNDER NC 43 FOCUS AREA, ADDITIONALLY GROWTH AREA D BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, ALL THAT.
I'M GOING TO APPROVE THE WORDING AND THINGS.
I DON'T LIKE HOW THAT READS THERE, THEN WE'RE JUST GOING TO SCRUB THAT.
HEY, ARE YOU THINKING THAT'S A MONDAY THING OR AFTER MONDAY? NO, THAT'S A MONDAY.
I MEAN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, BUT IT REALLY ISN'T A MONDAY THING.
UM, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH IT, BUT THE BIG ONE IS JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, ADDING ADDITIONAL AREAS, BUT ALSO FIXING THOSE KIND OF FUZZY LINE OUT LOUD.
BUT PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING ELSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TODAY.
AND THEN I'LL ROLL RIGHT UP IS ALL ON MONDAY, DOABLE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL MAKE THAT, THOSE CHANGES.
SO, AND RATHER THAN BE HOPEFULLY CLEAN ENOUGH THAT WE'LL FEEL GOOD ABOUT SENDING THIS TO THE BOARD OF ALL OF THE ONES.
WELL NOT TO GET AHEAD OF OURSELVES, BUT I THINK THE MOTION, IF I WERE GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS LANE NAIL, I WOULD MAKE THE APPROVAL BASED ON THE DISCUSSION HERE.
UM, CONTINGENT UPON THE DISCUSSIONS AND THE EDITS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED HERE, THAT SCOTT'S BEEN TRACKING AGREE.
SO WE'RE READY TO GO TO SOUTH.
SO, YOU KNOW, AS IT SAYS, UH, YOU KNOW, UNIQUE IN THESE AREAS, UM, BUT DEVELOPING A LOT.
UM, SO THAT WOULD BE RE BRI UH, NAMED ZONE D IT WOULD REVERT BACK TO THE B THE B P YEAH.
YOU'VE GOT, I'VE GOT EVEN YOURS WILL BE STEVE.
UM, THERE'S SOME SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA.
LOT OF PERMIT HAD BEEN ISSUED DOWN THERE.
AND SO WE WE'VE IDENTIFIED ONE LOCATION SHOULD EXPAND IT TO AN EXISTING COMMERCIAL.
NO, THAT NERVE AGAIN, BUT THAT ACTIVITY OR THAT, UM, SERVING THE COMMUNITY POSSIBLY HAD DONE FOR DEVELOPMENT, INCREASE WALKABILITY, UH, HEIGHT AT THE PLACE, WHICH WILL CONTINUE THE AREAS PROJECTORY TOWARDS THE INCREASE FUTURE GROWTH, WHERE IT'S APPROPRIATE, UM, BROKEN
UH, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE THINK THAT THAT TREND SHOULD CONTINUE AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE RIVER IS AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE KEEP A LOT OF THAT OPEN SPACE, UM, DEPICTED IN THE MAP.
SO I'M GOING TO EDITORIALIZE A LITTLE BIT HERE THAT, UM, THE TWO MAJOR, UM, DEVELOPMENTS TO BURN IT AND CAROLINE AND COLORS HAVE DONE THAT WITH REGARD TO, UM, UH, AS FOR OPEN SPACE, EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN A LOT, IN TERMS OF PRESERVING OPEN SPACE, THROUGH PASSIVE AND ACTIVE RECREATION ZONES, HOWEVER, UH, THE REST OF THEM NOT SO MUCH, RIGHT.
THEY BASICALLY BUILD RIGHT UP TO THE MEDLINE DELINEATION, DENUDE THE LANDSCAPE, AND ADD AS MANY HOUSES THEY CAN POSSIBLY GET WITH ALMOST NO
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OPEN SPACE, CORRECT.EXCEPT FOR REQUIRED DETENTION BASINS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE, UH, UM, THE RESULTS OF THE OTHER ONES ARE.
SO, SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEEDED TO, UM, POTENTIALLY CONSIDER REVISING THIS SLIGHTLY OR TO USE THESE TERMS AS EXEMPLARY.
SOME OF THEM ARE EXEMPLARY, OR I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY THAT, BUT, UM, WE GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE.
IS IT THE OTHER THING THAT SOME OF THE ROADS THAT THEY ARE ACCESSING ARE NOT WHAT ONE WOULD CALL A USABLE ROAD AND SOMEHOW KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT TO GET THAT ACROSS.
UM, SAY AND RELIABLE ACCESS TO ALL DEVELOPED AREAS, SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
THAT'S NOT A COMPLETE SENTENCE.
CONVERT IT INTO A REAL SENTENCE, JUST LEFT.
THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ADDED IF WE, THAT THE WAY IT READS.
NOW IT READS AS IF, UM, THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS HERE HAVE DONE A LOT, SOME OF THE MOST OR SOMETHING, OR, OR, UH, YEAH.
HAS DONE EXEMPLARY, YOU KNOW, TIBET AND BLIND THAT OTHER DEVELOPMENTS COULD DO THE SAME THING, OR SIMPLY SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS, UM, OR AREA LENDS ITSELF TO THIS.
I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, THOSE AREAS THAT WE'RE FALLING URBAN TRANSITION THE PARAGRAPH OF THE TOUGH SHIT TURN, UM, THAT THOSE AREAS DEPICTED IS URBAN TRANSITION IN THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN SHOULD FOLLOW THE LEAD OF THE EXEMPLARY DEVELOPMENT BY PROVIDING MULTIMODAL ACCESS, BETTER ACTIVE ACTIVITY, THE OPEN SPACE AND RECREATION.
AND PROVIDE THE SPACE AND PROVIDE THE OPEN SPACE AND RECREATION WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT.
CAN YOU CITE CAROLINA COLORS AS BEING THE EXEMPLARY THING? I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS CAN YOU POINT A FINGER TO ONE OF THE DEVELOPMENTS? YEAH.
OR, OR THE TWO VERNA AND RIGHT.
BURN IS SOMEWHERE RIGHT CAROLINA, ANY EXTRA? NO, NO, NO.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ACCESS.
I'M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THEM IN GENERAL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THEM BEING EXEMPLARY.
CAN YOU CITE THE ONES THAT HAVE GREAT ROADS HAVE OPEN SPACE? AND THERE'S ONLY ONE THAT I CAN REALLY THINK OF.
SO, UH, WITH REGARD TO THE OPEN SPACE, BOTH OF THEM ARE EXEMPLARY.
BUT WITH REGARD, SO THAT'S ONE TOPIC.
AND WITH REGARD TO THE, UM, ACCESS AND ROADWAY NETWORK OR SOMETHING LIKE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK, UM, CAROLINA CUP COLORS IS EXEMPLARY SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT, SCOTT.
I MEAN, IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH ME STARTING WITH DEVELOPMENT THAN HERE, YOU KNOW, OR NOT.
I DON'T, I DON'T CARE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ON THAT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I FIND THAT EITHER THAT I DO LIKE INDICATING, I MEAN, IT'S POINT BEING OF ALL OF THIS DISCUSSION IS THAT IT IS DESIRABLE THAT ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT PROVIDE X, Y, Z.
AND SO THAT, THAT IS, THAT IS THE POINT THAT WE WANT TO GET ACROSS WITH THE, I AGREE WE SHOULD LEAVE OUT THE NAMES.
I JUST THINK YOU NEED TO GIVE CRITERIA FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT SO THAT WE DON'T GET ANOTHER BLUE WATER RISE.
SO, AND YOU KNOW, THEN, SO THIS PARAGRAPH IS ABOUT THE FOCUS AREA AND THEN THE, THE,
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IT SAYS, R SAYS, AH, JUST NOTICE THIS SCOTT, IT SAYS GRUEN ZONE D INSTEAD OF GROUP AND ALARIS, YOU MIGHT ALREADY KNOW.SO, UM, I, I THINK MAYBE ANOTHER THING TO POINT OUT ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR FOCUS AREA IS IT HAS THE, IN MY OPINION, BECAUSE OF THE 70 QUARTER AND THE AVAILABILITY OF UTILITIES.
AND SO ON THIS ONE HAS THE GREATEST, THIS AREA HAS THE GREATEST POTENTIAL TO GROW OUTSIDE OF THE CITY, CURRENT CITY LIMITS.
AND THAT'S KIND OF EVIDENCED BY YOU SEE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, THERE'S TWO LITTLE BOXES THAT ARE NOT INSIDE THE GOLD, UH, LINE.
THOSE ARE ANNEX PIECES OF PROP X PARCELS, UH, VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S TWO LITTLE BOXES THERE.
THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE ALMONDS OF CITY, UH, ALONGSIDE THE LONG 70.
UM, SO, AND SO THERE'S POTENTIAL FOR A LOT MORE GROWTH LIKE THAT IN THAT AREA, UM, AS IT IS DEVELOPED.
AND, YOU KNOW, IF, IF IT'S DESIRABLE TO SOMEBODY DEVELOPING A PARCEL OR MULTIPLE PARCELS TO SEIZE UPON, UH, CITY UTILITIES, THEN VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION IS THE WAY TO DO THAT.
AND SO THAT, THAT DOWN THE SEVENTH QUARTER PROBABLY HAS THE GREATEST POTENTIAL FOR, WELL, THAT'S HOW ALL THAT GOT ME.
SO THAT WAS ALL, THAT'S HOW THAT WHOLE PIECE BECAME, UH, YOU KNOW, CITY OF NEWBURGH, UH, OUT, OUT OFF OF THE MAIN CITY LIMITS AND SAID ONE MORE LITTLE THOUGHTS INTO RIGHT LAST WEEK.
AND I'M THAT SUITABILITY AND ALPHAS, YOU KNOW, EXACTLY, AS YOU SAY, ALL THE BLUE AREA OUT IN THE WEST, RIGHT.
AND, AND THOSE ARE ALL OUTSIDE OF ANYWHERE ON ALL OF THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THIS IS REALLY WHERE GROWTH WANTS TO CONTINUE TO ADD.
AND THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT A DEVELOPER, IF IT'S, IF THEY'RE DEVELOPING A LARGE TRACK, LARGE TRACK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, YEP, WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT.
I MEAN, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.
THEY CAN, THEY CAN DO, UH, THEY CAN, UM, STAY IN THE COUNTY AND NOT HAVE CITY SERVICES.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S A GIVEN THAT IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT IT IS PRETTY LOGICAL FROM, FROM THE, FROM THE POINT OF A DEVELOPER.
UM, IT IS A PRETTY DESIRABLE THING FOR DEVELOPERS TO HAVE CITY SERVICES.
SO, UM, CAN I ASK A QUESTION AND, UH, BECAUSE I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT SITUATION DOWN THERE, YOU HAVE A NATIONAL FOREST DOWN THERE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND I THOUGHT IT, UM, UH, BUTTED BLUE WATER RIDE.
SO THAT'S KIND OF ON ROOM JUST TO THE SOUTH.
SO DOES THAT THIS LAND USE THEM, BUT ON THIS PARTICULAR MAP, EVERYTHING YOU SEE, ALL OF THAT'S KIND OF NATIONAL FOREST, SO CAN A DEVELOPER BUILDING THE NATIONAL FOREST, UM, UNLIKELY, BUT, UM, I GUESS TECHNICALLY IT'S, WELL, IT'S ALL ABOUT LAND TRANSFER, RIGHT? IT WASN'T THAT LAND THAT FOOL ARRIVED.
WAS THAT NOT PART OF THE, I MEAN, IT CAN'T HAPPEN, UM, YOU KNOW, LAND TRANSFERS FROM, FROM THE FOREST SERVICE TO, UH, UM, PRODUCT COMPANIES, PRODUCT DIGITALS, UM, IT'S, IT'S, I DON'T THINK IT'S AN EASY PROCESS, BUT IT CAN HAPPEN.
SO, SO BECAUSE IF IT WERE IMPOSSIBLE, THEN WE SHOULD BE ELIMINATING THAT FROM OUR, UM, YOU KNOW, BUILDABLE, UM, WHY WOULDN'T IT REGISTER? WELL, RIGHT NOW, THIS IS THE ACT, BUT IS IT ACCURATE DEPARTMENT FOR US? WELL, SO I THINK YOU CAN GO RIGHT TO YOUR REGIONAL OVERVIEW AND YOU, YOU SHARE THE CURL TAN NATIONAL FOREST AND ITS BOUNDARIES ON THAT REGIONAL VIEW, BUT IT'S THE FIRST PIGS FOR THE VERY FIRST, UH, THE VERY FIRST, UM, FIGURE.
SO, I MEAN, IT, IT GOES ALL THE WAY TO, ONCE YOU GET BETWEEN WHERE YOU SEE THE BURGUNDY FOR NEWBURN AND THE GRAY FOR HAVELOCK, IT EXTENDS ACROSS AND GOES OVER TO THE RIVER.
BUT I DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE, THERE ARE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS AND DEVELOPMENTS ALL KIND OF SCATTERED ALL THROUGH THERE.
SO, UM, BUT I DO KNOW THAT, UM,
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ACROSS THE STREET FROM BLUE WATER RISE ACROSS, WHAT IS THAT LINE ROAD FROM BLUE WATER RISE? UM, THERE IS, UM, IT'S WAREHOUSER LAND.I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS, YEAH, SO WAREHOUSERS THAT, THAT THE DIVIDING LINE WAS COUNTY LINE ROAD AND IT WAS A NATIONAL FOREST PROPERTY, AND THEN THERE WAS WAREHOUSING.
SO, UM, I GUESS WHAT THIS COMES DOWN TO IS WE NEED TO PROMPT IT FOR REVIEWS.
SOME OF THE PARCELS THAT ARE IN THAT AREA, AT LEAST WHERE WE SHOW DEVELOPABLE AND LET YOU KNOW WHO THE OWNERS ARE.
CAN YOU GET BACK ON BY MONDAY? OH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, RIGHT.
SO ESSENTIALLY ALL OF THIS STUFF DOWN HERE, IF ANY OF IT IS NATIONAL FOREST, THEN THEY SHOULD BE, THEY SHOULD BE ELIMINATING IT FROM THE, AS IT IS NOT DEVELOPED, BUT IF IT'S WAREHOUSER LAND, THEN THEY CAN, RIGHT.
OR IF IT'S
SO, SO, UM, BUT IF IT'S FOREST SERVICE LAND, YOU CAN ASSUME THAT IT MIGHT BE DEVELOPABLE.
WELL, NOT BECAUSE YOU'RE GOOD AT COUNTY ROAD.
THERE'S A LOT OF SWAMP LAND IN THERE.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, BUT TRUTHFULLY PURPOSES OF RISK EVENTUALLY YEARS FROM NOW, IT'S GOING TO BE A NEW ONE, I THINK.
SO THIS ONE HERE THAT SHOULD BE, WE SHOULD CONSIDER IT.
THIS IS A MASS NATIONAL OWNERSHIP.
AND YOU HAVE SOME TIME TODAY FOR THEM THAT WE PROBLEM.
BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO GET OURSELVES ALL IN A TIZZY ABOUT JERRY OF BLUE AREA TO THE, TO THE WEST OF SOUTH NEWBURG.
AND IT TURNS OUT IT'S OWNED BY THE COURSE, WHICH PROBABLY IS, YEAH, LET ME KNOW.
AND IT MIGHT BE A MAP, ANYTHING THAT IS THAT DEVELOPABLE LAND OUTSIDE, WE CAN JUST TURN THAT OFF TOO, AND NOT CROSS THAT BRIDGE IF THERE'S A CERTAINTY, YOU KNOW, TURN UP AND THEN TURN IT BACK, TURN IT BACK ON IN A FUTURE REVISION.
JUST TO KIND OF KEEP OUR NOSES CLEAR OF.
IF YOU CAN GET SOME OF THE BLURRY OUT OF THESE MAPS, THAT WOULD BE LOVELY TO YESTERDAY.
JUST TALK TO HIM ABOUT THOSE BLURRY LINES.
BUT, UH, OUR COPIES ARE KIND OF A LOW RESOLUTION.
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TRYING TO GET THE FILE SIZE, SWOLLEN UP THE EMAIL.I MEAN, THAT'S, IT'S REAL FUNCTION WITH THAT PDF.
SO WE HAVE, UH, AT LEAST A DROPBOX, OR DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE SET THAT YOU'D LIKE TO USE FOR LARGER FILE? AND DO YOU HAVE A DROPBOX? YEAH.
SO, UM, WELL WE'LL SEND YOU THE DROPBOX LINK AND, AND AN, OR IF YOU HAVE ONE, YOU WANT US TO ACCESS, UH, NO FOR THAT, I'M GOING TO BE GETTING ON A PLANE WITH YOUR DROPBOX.
WHAT TIME ON MONDAY? YOU GOT TO BEAT IT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE GET ALL THE EDITS ON.
I MEAN, WHAT HAS FOSTER ASKED FOR, DID HE JUST SAY MONDAY? THEY JUST SAID MONDAY, SO, UH, WE'D RATHER HAVE IT DONE THAN NOT YET QUITE DONE IT TO, YOU KNOW, WITH YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? OKAY.
WE'LL, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL PAY FIVE.
AND SO REALIZING OF COURSE THAT'S WHAT WE'LL CALL THE FINAL DRAFT.
IT'S GOING TO VARY TO THE BOARD OF ALL OF THEM.
AND BASED ON OUR MOTION HERE TODAY, OUR ACTION HERE TODAY, YOU ALSO SHARE THAT WHEN YOU RECEIVE IT MONDAY OR SOMETIME SHORTLY THEREAFTER WITH MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING ZONE WORK THAT'S RIGHT.
I THINK WE WOULD ALL APPRECIATE THAT SAM THAT'LL SHOW UP TUESDAY MORNING.
MY PRESENT I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION UNLESS THERE'S FURTHER DISCUSSION OR OKAY.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CITY OF BERN LAND USE PLAN UPDATE JUNE.
UH, I'M GOING TO CALL IT THE MONDAY, JUNE 17TH, 2022 FINAL DRAFT WITH, UM, REVISIONS, UH, DISCUSSED DURING OUR MEETING TODAY.
SECOND IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES.
WE'VE MET WITH DO IT DURING THE MEETING OR AFTER I JUST WANTED TO RECAP WHAT I HAVE AS WHAT THE REVISIONS ARE, UM, AT AT LEAST THESE AND, YOU KNOW, UH, SCOTT FOLLOW ALONG, I GUESS UM, SO, UH, FIRST OF ALL, WAS TO REVISE THAT ONE SENTENCE ON THE FIRST PAGE ABOUT MAY, YOU KNOW, AS OPPOSED TO INSTEAD OF REQUIRED, UM, ADD A SECTION FOR THE LIST OF REFERENCE DOCUMENTS THEN IN EXISTING.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO MAKE NOTES IF NECESSARY, UH, ADD THE VELOCITIES ZONE TWO AS WITH, UH, SOME REFERENCE IN THE TEXT AND ON THE MAP, IF POSSIBLE, BUT AT LEAST IN THE TECH, UM, ALSO ADD, UH, SOME TEXTS ABOUT THE FIRE RISK, UH, FOR THE WATER SERVICE AREA.
I'M GOING TO CHECK ABOUT THAT LONG ARM THING.
SEE IF THAT'S AN ERROR OR NOT.
UH, ALSO OTHER UTILITIES WILL BE INVESTIGATED IN TERMS OF WHAT TO PUT IN THERE.
UH, SO THAT WAS ELECTRIC AND GAS.
UM, THE CHANGES TO THOSE BUS ROUTES, RIGHT THEN, UH, 2.7 ADD FEATURES IF YOU JUST HAD TO TURN THEM ON AND CREATE A NEW MAP OUT OF THAT, THEN UNDER TRANSPORTATION, MAYBE CHANGING THE NAME OF THAT SECTION TRANSPORTATION, AS OPPOSED TO JUST PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, BECAUSE WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR THE STREET
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BRIDGE, TRANSPORTATION, THE NORMAL FORM OF TRANSPORTATION OR VEHICULAR ALSO ADD THE BREAD PRICE TO THE BICYCLE AND PET PLAN.OH, I GUESS THE TRANSPORTATION ROUTES, UH, THERE WAS, UH, UM, THE SOURCE OF THOSE MAPS AND WE WILL BE SENDING OUR PART OF THE BARGAIN IS WE WILL BE SENDING YOU THE DRAFT PRINTS.
UM, FIVE, 10 PLAN, LIKE, ALRIGHT, THEN, UH, UNDER ANALYSIS, CHANGING THE COLOR FOR SUITABILITY ON THE MAP SUITABILITY MAP.
SO WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT THAT INSTEAD OF BLUE MAKING ORANGE.
AND WE'RE GOING TO TURN OFF THE TWO DURABILITY OUTSIDE.
CAN I PAUSE YOU A MINUTE? DID I HEAR YOUR MS HERE UNDER 2.7? WAS THAT WHERE WE WERE GOING TO ADD THE WILDFIRE ZONES TO BE INCLUDED IN THAT? YEAH, IT WAS ON 2.7 ENVIRONMENTAL AND NATURAL HAZARDS.
UM, AT LEAST A TEXT REVISION IN THAT EXISTING SECTIONS, 2, 1 7 WOULD BE, PROBABLY WOULD BE, WELL, LET'S SEE.
WELL, THERE'S THE MAP WHERE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT, BUT WHAT REFERENCES THAT MAP IS 2.7.
SO THEN UNDER GOALS, WE NOTHING CHANGED RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, UH, WE WERE, HAD SOME CHANGES ON THE POLICIES FOR SITE DESIGN AND I DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC DATA WHAT THAT WAS.
FOR ONE POINT THICK CONSIDER SITE DESIGN, ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS TO BE CONSIDERED.
MODEL I HAD MONDAY WAS MODIFIED TO INCLUDE CONSIDERATION FOR ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS OR ENVIRONMENTAL.
UH, ALSO FOR MULTIPLE ACCESS POINTS TO SUBDIVISIONS AND THEN ALSO AT A POLICY FOR FIRE HAZARD, WHEN YOU FIGURE AT 1.1 0.3 MIGHT ADD ONE OR ACTION POLICY OR ACTION ON THAT TRIP, UM, THEN REMOVE THE ONES FOR THAT MENTIONED LEAD, UH, UNDER EAP 1.3, UM, ADD WILDFIRE MITIGATION SO THAT I'M NOT SURE IF THIS CANCELS THE FIRST TIME I MENTIONED THAT I'M JUST GOING TO ADD ONE SIX IN THERE.
THEN, UH, REMOVING THE MANDATE, NO BUILD ZONES, ALL THAT LANGUAGE THERE.
AND HE CHANGED THE TITLE TO TAKE OUT A BOY TO PLAY IN FOR AND TAKE OUT THE WORD TERROR DEVELOPMENT AND OF 1.61 TO MITIGATE.
CAN WE REPEAT THAT ALL? AND I WANT TO MAKE IT THAT ONE DOESN'T FEEL CLEAR IN MY NOTES.
SO, YEAH, SO FOR THIS WAS AT 1.6 SCOTT, WHERE WE THINK IT SAYS EAP 1.6, AVOID ZONING AREAS, SUSCEPTIBLE TO STORM SEARCH.
WE WANT TO PLAN FOR ZONING AREAS AND THEN, UM, SUSCEPTIBLE TO STORM STORM SURGE, AND THEN REMOVE LANGUAGE WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT AVOIDING AND, AND REMOVE THE MANDATE NEW BUILDS ZONES.
UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I HAD NO NOTE FOR.
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE MODAL.
SO I UNDERLINED THAT AND JUST PUT A QUESTION MARK.
CAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT, UM, WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT ANYMORE.
SO I WAS GETTING USED TO SAYING NO.
WELL, SO I THINK WE HAD THE QUESTION UNTIL WE TALK.
MAYBE WE, MAYBE SCOTT ANSWERED IT OR SATISFIED OUR CONCERNS WHEN WE STARTED, WHEN WE GOT BACK AND STARTED TALKING ABOUT
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THE GROWTH ZONE OR WHATEVER, WE'RE CALLING THIS NOW THE, MAYBE WHERE IT SAYS NODAL I'VE PUT IN PEREZ OPPORTUNITIES THOUGH.AND THIS ACTION, WE TALKED ABOUT ADDING AN INDUSTRIAL AREA FOR GROWTH.
UH, INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, WHERE SUITABLE WORKPLACES ARE SUITABLE ADD, UM, PEAK OPPORTUNITIES TO EXPAND INDUSTRIAL INDUSTRIAL LAND DEVELOPMENT, 5.1 AD.
UM, WE WERE GOING TO ADD, UH, SOMETHING ABOUT THE FINDING THE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.
FOR DEVELOPED LAND, URBAN TRANSITION OF OPEN SPACE.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DEFINITION NECESSARILY, BUT AT LEAST A LAY OUT WHAT WE ARE.
SO, UM, THEN MY NEXT ONE IS ADDING A CREDITS PAGE AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE DOCUMENT.
THERE'S ALL SORTS OF, THERE'S SEVERAL TYPES OF THINGS THAT I'M GOING TO CLEAN UP.
AND THEN I THINK THE NOTE IS, YOU KNOW, REVIEW AND RE OFFER SECTION FIVE, THEY CALL THEM.
BECAUSE THE SUNSTONE MATCH THE FOCUS AREAS.
AND THEN MY NEXT ONE IS, UH, ONLY BECAUSE WE DISCUSSED IT WHILE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ZONE C IS THE AD THAT LITTLE SLIVER OF YELLOW AREAS IN THE WEST OF 43 ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP ON THE ZONE D REMOVE YOUR ZONE D YEP.
AND THEN, UH, CHANGE ZONE E BACK TO ZONE D.
UH, YOU'RE GOING TO ADJUST THE TEXT TO REFLECT THE DESIRES IN ZONE D AS OPPOSED TO THE, YOU KNOW, EXEMPLARY KIND OF THING.
UH, AND WE TOOK CARE OF THE DEVELOPMENT LENS MAP THING, UH, WITH REGARD TO THE FOREST SERVICE PLAN.
SO, UM, WE WILL BE SENDING YOU A DROPOUT LINK AND SO THEN HE'LL MAKE SOME RAPIDS 2010 PLANS.
AND I WAS GOING TO SAY, I SAW YOU WENT INTO YOUR LIST.
SO THE OTHER THING I HAD THAT I HAD NOTED, YOU HAD MENTIONED SCOTT, THAT, UM, WE DON'T REALLY TALK ABOUT THE FOCUS AREAS, UH, MLK, NC 43 AND US 70 UNTIL WE GET TO ANALYSIS IN THREE, YOU WERE GOING TO ADD, UH, IN THE FIRST SECTION THAT IT'S SIMPLY SPELLING OUT WHAT THOSE, UH, THREE WORDS EARLIER ON IN THE DOCUMENT.
KARATE FOR, I GOT TO BRING THAT DISCUSSION EARLIER, EARLY ON.
SO IT KIND OF LET'S SURVIVE WHERE WE'RE HEADED BEFORE WE GET TO THREE.
SO THEN, UM, I HAD ALSO, AND THESE WERE MY NOTES ON THE TABLE.
I HAD A, UH, APPREHEND IN ONE, UH, 1.3 REFERENCE DOCUMENTS AND PLANS.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE THAT YOU ALREADY MENTIONED THAT YOU'RE GOING TO THE DOCKLESS OR THAT WERE BLISS.
THE DOCUMENTS WERE REFERENCING, UM, UH, ITEM FIVE AND THE TABLE BECOMES APPENDIX A OR ONE, WHATEVER YOU CHOOSE TO CALL IT AND THAT'S FIGURES OR TABLES AND FIGURES.
AND THEN SIX IS APPENDIX B, WHICH BECOMES THE 2010 REGIONAL LAND USE PLAN AS ITS OWN APPENDIX.
AND THEN THE LAST THING THAT I HAD WAS, UM, JUST THE HOUSEKEEPING OF ASSIGNING A NUMBER TO EVERY FIGURE, UM, SO THAT THEY CORRESPOND BETWEEN THE APPENDIX A AND WHERE THEY ARE IN THE DOCUMENT.
IF IT'S FIGURE ONE DASH ONE IS ONE DASH ONE EVERYWHERE.
THE ONE THAT I HAVE THAT I DIDN'T HEAR HIS LAST WRAP UP.
WAS IT A POLICY 1.9, OR YOU GUYS SAW RODERICK
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AND ROADWAY INFRASTRUCTURE AT THE TIME OF ELEMENTS, YOU ADD MORE THAN ONE INGRESS AND EGRESS.I HAVE ONE WE'RE GOING TO CONTRAST THE 2010, UH, AREAS OF FOCUS MAPPING ON TOP OF, ON TOP OF THE, UH, NEW FOCUS AREA.
JUST TO MAKE SURE YOUR, YOUR MOTION WAS CLEAR FROM THE RECORD IN THE CHANGES THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT WE DISCUSSED TODAY, WHAT YOU WERE FRYING UP TO THE LIST OF ITEMS THAT WERE JUST DISCUSSING THE LEFT.
WE EMBARKED ONCE WE HAD A MOTION ONLY, NOT A DISCUSSION AND I CAN REVAMP THE MOTION IF NECESSARY, BUT IT'S ONLY IF IT'S ON, ON THE FLOOR.
THAT LISTS THAT WE JUST REVIEWED.
ONE OTHER COMMENT THAT I'VE HAD WAS MATT, YOU WERE GOING TO WORK TO AUTHOR A PARAGRAPH, BUT I GO RIGHT UP IN THE INTRODUCTION THAT TALKS ABOUT THE CONTEXT OF THIS UPDATE WITH THAT THE 2010 PLAN.
IS THAT HOW IT ALL WORKS TOGETHER? YES.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT COMMUNITIES AT THE END.
UH, I THINK, YEAH, I THINK I'VE JUST GOT EVERYTHING.
SO IN THE DEPENDENCIES YOU HAVE ALL THE OTHER MEDS OTHER THAN THE ACTUAL LAND USE MAP, FUTURE LAND USE MAP, AT LEAST IN OUR, IN OUR VERSION, MAYBE YOURS AS IT.
OH, NO, MINE DOESN'T HAVE ANY.
IN FACT, WE'RE GOING TO, I WILL ADD THE MIC, PUT A NOTE ON MY PAPER HERE.
I'M GOING TO ADD, UH, THE OLD PEN MATH OVERALL, AND THEN WE WILL HAVE THE NEW 20, 22 MATH OVERALL.
AND DID WE DECIDE, WE WANTED TO SEE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAPS, UH, FIRST OF ALL, OVERALL CITYWIDE, BUT THEN FOR EACH OF THE FOCUS AREAS, JUST LIKE SHE DID ELSEWHERE IN THE PLANT SO THAT WE COULD SEE IT WITH A LITTLE MORE DETAIL AND YOU WERE GOING TO DO THE ARIEL KIND OF SOMETHING WITH THE AREA.
CAN WE TALK ABOUT THAT A COUPLE OF MINUTES AGO? OKAY, GOOD.
THE ONLY TWO THINGS THAT ARE, THAT ARE HARD FOR MONDAY, WE'LL TRY THE BLURRY OR OUTLINE.
AND THE ONE OTHER COMMENT I HAD WAS TWO IN THE GOOD THING CONDITION, UH, EXPANDED TABLE FOR THE WEEK AT THE PERSPECTIVE OF LAND USE WITHIN EACH OF THE FOCUS AREAS.
UM, I, THAT MIGHT BE TRICKY, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY DO IT FOR THE PENULTIMATE.
THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT ARE, THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO I I THINK ARE, ARE GOING TO BE ASPIRATIONAL.
AND THEN JUST PUT THE ALDERMAN MEETING ON YOUR CALENDAR FOR THE 28TH, AT 6:00 PM.
I THINK WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO THE BEGINNING OF THE AGENDA.
THERE WAS USUALLY SOME PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST AND THEN MAYBE SOME PRESENTATIONS, BUT THE 28TH.
OH REALLY? OH, IT TOLD ME EVERY OTHER MEETING.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE UP STRAIGHT AT SIX.
SO DON'T DON'T SCHEDULE ANY FLIGHTS OR ANY FLIGHT DELAYS FOR 6:00 PM ON THE 20TH.
LIKE EMOTIONAL, WE ADJOURNED ADJOURNED.