Jun 28, 2022 Board of Aldermen

SO, YOU KNOW, THEN IT WOULD CONCERN ME IN DECREASING IT, IT SHOWS THAT IF YOU GO TO THE ONE STORY YOU WOULD ELIMINATE THE FOOTPATH, I GUESS THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING HERE.

UM, PEDESTRIAN BIKE PATH DESIGN, NOT INCLUDED IN ONE STORY OPTION.

SO THAT COMES OUT OF THAT.

AND TO ME, THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT FEATURES THAT WE NEED TO RETAIN IS THE CONNECTION TO HENDERSON PARK AND THIS FACILITY.

SO THAT WOULD CONCERN ME.

AND AT THIS POINT I AGREE.

I HATE THE INCREASE IN COSTS.

I DON'T LIKE THIS.

I BELIEVE WE CAN STILL LOOK AND MAYBE VALUE ENGINEER SOMETHING MAYBE WE CAN DO WITHOUT SOME OF THE AMENITIES ON THE INSIDE FOR TIME.

BUT I THINK THE FOOTPRINT OF THIS BUILDING NEEDS TO BE THE FOOTPRINT OF THIS BUILDING.

UM, I DON'T LIKE SPENDING MONEY.

I DON'T HAVE TO SPEND, BUT, UM, I THINK WE'VE DEBATED THIS LONG ENOUGH AND FED ENOUGH TURMOIL ABOUT IT.

YOU KNOW, BEFORE THIS EVER GETS BUILT, I'M AFRAID WE'RE GOING TO BE SIX YEARS OUT FROM A STORM AND THAT'S BEEN WAY TOO LONG.

SO, UM, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE FOR BOTH PLANS TO BE BID AND I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT COMES BACK.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S FEASIBLE OR WHAT, BUT IS IT NOT FEASIBLE? OKAY.

IT'S NOT BECAUSE WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY DO THEIR PLANS, THERE'S COMMAND VERY DETAILED.

SO IT'S REALLY ONE, ONE ROUTE OR THE OTHER.

I'D RATHER ROLL THE DICE AND LET THEM DO FULL PLAN.

THIS, THIS MAY BE A REALLY DUMB QUESTION, BUT IS, WOULD WE BE OPENING UP A CAN OF WORMS? AND WE WENT BACK TO FEMA AND SAID THAT THE AMOUNT THAT THEY ALLOWED US FOR THIS IS NO LONGER ENOUGH TO COVER WHAT WE CAN ASK FOR.

WOULD MITIGATE THAT? IT CAN BE RETENTION POND.

IF IT WAS A FIXED COST PROJECT AND WE'LL COME AND WE DON'T ANTICIPATE GIVEN BACK TO THE TABLE, HAD TO ASK, YEAH, THAT'S TRUE.

IS IT WITHIN YOUR CONSULTING OR WOULD THIS BE THE POTENTIAL EVENTUAL BUILDER

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I KNOW THAT THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACES OF THE PRIOR BUILDINGS AND ASPHALT CONCRETE THERE, UM, I'M NOT REALLY FAMILIAR HOW MUCH LAND AREA OTHER THAN THE PERVIOUS IMPERVIOUS WE ALREADY HAVE.

HOW MUCH ARE WE DISTURBING? CAN YOU, CAN YOU SHOW US, BRING IT BACK TO THE FIRST ONE AGAIN, YOU GET, DO YOU GUYS KNOW OFF HAND? BECAUSE THE PORTION TO THE LEFT OF THE BUILDING, THAT'S ALL PRETTY MUCH IMPERVIOUS ALREADY AND, UM, TO NOT, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BE AN ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARD OF OUR, OF OUR CITY, BUT IF YOU COULD USE PERVIOUS SURFACE IMPROVEMENTS ON THE NEW CONSTRUCTION END OF IT.

AND THAT WE WERE WAVED ON THE LEFT SIDE WITH WHAT IS ALREADY EXISTING EMPEROR IMPERVIOUS, COULD WE NOT, I'M NOT TRYING TO SAVE ON MONEY HERE, BUT FOR FUTURE USE OF GREEN AREA, UM, COULD WE, YOU KNOW, THE CONCRETE IS GOING TO BE FOUR TO ONE, THE PRICE ON PERVIOUS VERSUS SAN PURPOSE COULD HAVE YOU GUYS LOOKED AT THAT IS, I KNOW WHERE'S THE COST BENEFIT RATIO OF THE RETENTION POND, WHICH WE'LL DO IT'S NO GOOD.

BUT IF YOU DID, UM, SOME GREEN MITIGATED THINGS, HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THAT? I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO SAVE A LOT OF MONEY, BUT YOU KNOW, I DON'T, PARTICULARLY IF YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ONE AND YOU CAN FIND THERE ARE WAYS TO FILTER THE SALE, ET CETERA, WITHOUT HAVING ONE, THAT'S JUST ONE MORE CHILD LIABILITY.

LET'S LEAVE IT AT THAT.

WE SAFETY FACTOR.

YOU WILL HAVE LOT OF CHILDREN AROUND THIS PROJECT.

AND THAT WOULD JUST BE SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT NEEDS TO BE.

YOU CAN MENTION THAT IF WE, AS WE PROCESS THIS THING THAT LIKE SPEND FIVE MINUTES WITH CLEAN WATER AND SEE IF WE CAN WORK SOMETHING OUT ON THAT.

SO ARE YOU SAYING TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE, UM, THE RETENTION PROBLEM IT'S PRIMARY AND SECONDARY? I AGREE BECAUSE THE MAIN PURPOSE OF GETTING THIS PROPERTY WAS THE FACT THAT IT WAS OUT OF A FLOOD ZONE.

SO I'M ASSUMING IT'S GOING TO ROLL OFF.

SO IT'S MAKES MORE SENSE TO HAVE IT OVER WHERE THE INDIGO, SENIOR APARTMENTS ARE AND MAKE MORE GREEN SPACE ON THEIR FRONT PROPERTY.

I MEAN, THAT SEEMS A LITTLE EXCESSIVE FOR, I SEE WHERE YOU'RE KIND OF CASCADING THAT BACK DOWN TO THE, UM, TO THE HENDERSON PARK AREA.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE JUST, I WANT TO PASS JUST A ARTIST'S RENDERING OR IF YOU ACTUALLY, IF THAT'S GOING TO BE FUNCTIONAL, BUT THAT SEEMS PRETTY REDUNDANT FOR THAT SIZE PROJECT.

UM, SO THE CLOSER WE ARE TO THE RIGHT, THE CLOSER WE ARE A FLOOD ZONE.

UM, SO AS THAT WATER SORT OF FLOWS, YOU WANT TO TRY AND CAPTURE IT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

AND THAT'S WHY THERE ARE QUITE A NUMBER OF THEM SHOWING, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVEN'T DETAILED IT OUT YET, OUR SITE AND CIVIL ENGINEERS WOULD BE LOOKING AT IT FURTHER, UH, IN TERMS OF THE PARKING AND THE PERVIOUS LITTLE BIT, UM, WE HAVE CONSIDERED THAT.

AND PART OF WHAT WE'RE BOUNCING WITH HERE IS THE PERMANENCE THAT YOU GET FROM THE HARDER SURFACE, WHETHER IT'S ASPHALT OR CONCRETE.

UH, AND SO WHEN THERE'S A HEAVY STORM, WE DON'T WANT THAT COST, UH, ALL HAVING TO RE STRUCTURE A PARKING LOT.

UM, IF IT'S WASHED OUT THROUGH, THROUGH A HEAVY STORM.

SO WE WILL LOOK AT THAT MUCH, UH, MUCH MORE DETAILED, UM, READ, TAKE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

UM, SERIOUSLY.

TO CAPTURE ANYTHING OVER WHATEVER YOUR RATED YEAR VAN IS A 10 YEAR UP TO 40, WHATEVER IT MIGHT SAY.

WE DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CREATING SOME SORT OF SAFE HAVEN FOR HENDERSON PARK BECAUSE IT IS LOWER.

AND I KNOW THAT WHEN WE DO A FIT HENDERSON PARK, WE ALREADY HAVE TO PUT SOME BACK FEELING THERE BECAUSE THAT WASHES AWAY COMPLETELY.

SO IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF RETENTION PONDS ALONG THE WAY, BUT AGREED WITH SAFETY ISSUES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, JUST TAKING UP GREEN SPACE, YOU KNOW, COULD HAVE SOME BENCHES OUT THERE, PEOPLE THAT EAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING SET UP LIKE THAT IN THAT MANNER.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED IT ON THE FRONT PART OF IT.

THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION.

I'M SURE HE PROBABLY DOING THAT TO LIKE A TEN-YEAR VAN OR WHATEVER, BUT GIVING AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT I'M TRYING TO TALK ABOUT THE PARKING LOT ACROSS THE STREET AND TRY AND PALACE PARKING LOT FOR JUST WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

YOU DON'T WANT TO INUNDATE OTHER AREAS WITH THAT WATER.

UM, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S RATED, BUT THEY HAVE WHAT I WOULD CALL NITROGEN FIELD AREA VERSUS A RETENTION POND.

IT'S AN AREA

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UM, BUT THAT'S, I'M JUST SAYING THAT FROM SAFETY STANDPOINT, YOU ARE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF CHILDREN PLAYING AROUND HERE AND YES, WE WILL CONSIDER THAT AGAIN.

UM, JUST BECAUSE WE ARE LIVE TO WHAT IS THE SAFETY SAFETY MECHANISMS UTILIZED AROUND THE RETENTION PONDS AS A GATING AREA OR FENCING? SO 1, 2, 3, SO THERE'LL BE FOUR STYLES OF FENCES GOING DOWN THE PATH TO PROTECT THAT NO CHILD CAN FALL IN OR GET CAUGHT UP OR ANYTHING, UH, FENCING, UM, SIGNAGE FOR SURE.

UM, WHAT THE FENCING COULD BE SORT OF FROM NATURAL MATERIALS.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE METAL, UH, SORT OF THINGS.

UM, THERE COULD BE WAYS OF STRUCTURING IT, SO THAT, THAT DOESN'T, UM, TO, TO DISCOURAGE COMING CLOSE.

I THINK YOU REALLY SHOULDN'T THINK LONG AND HARD ABOUT THAT.

THERE'S A WAY TO PUT THEM ON A BACKSIDE OR SOMETHING BECAUSE WE KNOW CHILDREN, EVERYBODY WANTS TO SPLASH AND YOU SEE WATER AND YOU THINK, HEY, A LITTLE POOL.

AND IT ONLY TAKES ONE TIME.

I MEAN, YOU CAN DROWN IN A FOOT OF WATER.

SO, UM, WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN.

AND THEN IT TAKES AWAY THE IDEA IS THIS FLOW OF, OF WALKING PATH AND THIS BEAUTIFUL CONNECTION TO HENDERSON PARK AND THAT FAMILIES CAN GO ALONG HERE.

AND, UM, IF IT'S NOT NECESSARILY DAVID, IF YOU SHRUB IT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE AWAY UNLESS IT'S, YOU KNOW, PROPERLY DONE.

BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY AS, AS ALDERMAN HARRIS'S AND YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IS BUILT FOR CHILDREN AND FAMILIES, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP EVERYBODY SAFE.

SO, SO THE, UM, TWO LARGE RETENTION PAUSES ON THE ACTUAL SITE, THEY ARE NOT LARGE ENOUGH TO SUSTAIN.

IS THAT WHAT, WHY YOU WANTING TO PUT THE ADDITIONAL FOUR PONDS IN? SO COULD YOU, IS THAT LIKE A SIDEWALK? NO, THIS IS PARKING RUNNING THROUGH HERE.

IF YOU WOULD TAKE OUT SOME OF THAT, OR THAT HAS TO BE, THAT HAS TO BE CONSIDERED IN THE PLAN THOUGH, EXTRA PARKING RIGHT HERE.

SO THAT COULD BE A LARGER RETENTION PANEL ON THE SITE.

THE PARKING IS PARTIALLY BASED ON THE SIZE OF A BUILDING BUILDING USE, UM, THE RETENTION POND TO THAT.

SO ON THAT SIDE, YES.

UH, WE COULD, WE COULD SORT OF LOOK AT HOW TO BALANCE IT OUT FURTHER, BUT, UM, PART OF THE SITE PLAN IS TO JUST INDICATE THAT THAT MUCH IS NEEDED, UH, AND HOW TO SPREAD IT OUT IS SOMETHING WE'LL TAKE UP.

WE'LL TAKE FURTHER, UM, LOOK AT, UM, THE RETENTION PONDS ARE TYPICALLY SORT OF ALSO, UH, ENVIRONMENTALLY, UH, RESPONSIBLE, RIGHT? SO, UM, LIKE TO DEFINITELY HAVE IT BE AS SAFE AS YOU'VE MENTIONED, UH, AS POSSIBLE, BUT IT IS KIND OF PART OF THE BMP AND BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICE THAT CIVIL AND LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS AND DESIGNERS USE.

SO WE'RE JUST TELLING YOU WHAT WE'RE TELLING YOU, WHAT THE PUBLIC WANTS.

WE'RE TELLING YOU WHAT WE'VE HEARD.

SAFETY IS NUMBER ONE.

GENERATION SYSTEM, UM, POWER BACKUP, POWER GENERATOR? UM, SO WE ARE, WE HAVE DESIGNED A GENERATOR FOR THE PROJECT, UM, AND WE HAVE KIND OF A NUMBER OUTLINE FOR THAT, BUT WE'RE STILL DISCUSSING, UM, WHICH, UM, PERSE THAT COMES FROM, DOES IT HAVE TO HAVE ORDER TO REQUIRE FOR THAT CERTAINLY WOULD BE NICE.

WE'LL TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THE BALANCE.

AND HOW MUCH ARE THEY? WE HAVE RETENTION PONDS ALL OVER NEW VERNON.

I'M SITTING HERE TRYING TO REMEMBER IF ANY OF THEM HAVE A FENCE AROUND THEM.

THEY'RE LABELED, I'VE NEVER, I DON'T KNOW, WHEREVER LOUD THAT YOU LEGALLY HAVE HAD ONE LESBIAN THAT'S VALLEY.

THE ANSWER TO THE ISSUE IS PROBABLY THE GRADE TO THAT RETENTION POND.

MAKE SURE IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THE KID GETS TOO CLOSE TO.

IT HE'LL ROLL DOWN THE HILL AND INTO THE WATER, BUT, YOU KNOW, UM, THERE'S, UM, I DON'T KNOW THE SINGLE RETENTION POND IN NEWBURN.

I CAN THINK OF ONE NOW.

MAYBE LOWE'S THE BEST EXAMPLE OF A RETENTION POND NEWBURN AQUATIC CENTER.

AND THE FENCE WAS PUT AROUND THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY KIDS IN THAT GENERAL AREA GOING TO THE AQUATIC CENTER.

AND SO THAT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF A VERANDA RECREATION OF MY QUESTION IS, DOES THIS PRICE INCLUDE A

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THAT'S THE ONE, THE BIGGEST POSITIVES.

I MEAN, YOU GUYS ONE DESIGN BEFORE THE PROJECT.

I MEAN, MAYBE CHARLIE CAN HELP US WITH THAT IS TO, AS WELL TO A, AND WAS IT LAST, ONLY TWO HOURS? YEAH.

WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON A DIFFERENT, WHEN IT COMES TO THE GENERATOR, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK TO SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME GRANTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THAT'LL BE, THAT'LL BE THE PREFERRED METHOD, UH, TO GIVE UP BECAUSE, UM, THE, THE PRICE OF THE GENERATOR, UH, ABOUT A HUNDRED AND, UH, IT'S A FOUR 50 KW GENERATOR, UM, KBG $200.

I THINK AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS PROJECT, I ASKED IF YOU WOULD PROVIDE US WITH THE NEEDS OF A GENERATOR THAT WE WOULD, UM, ASK SOME OF OUR, UM, PEOPLE THAT WE KNOW FOR, UH, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, IF THEY WOULD PROVIDE FOR THEIR GENERATOR.

SO IF YOU CAN GET THAT TO FOSTER, WE CAN START WORKING ON SEEING IF WE CAN GET A GENERATOR THROUGH THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, SINCE IT'S GOING TO BE A SHELTER.

AND YOU DID CONSULT WITH, UM, THE CONTACT PERSON THAT I PROVIDED ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THE BUILDING IS BUILT TO QUALIFY FOR A RED CROSS SHELTER.

WE HAVE BEEN, UH, THE CONSULTANT.

YES, SIR.

I JUST THINK IT, YOU KNOW, BACK TO THE, THE SAFETY OF IT, THE RETENTION PROBLEMS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND ENVIRONMENTAL REQUIREMENTS JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'D RATHER BE PROACTIVE THAN REACTIVE.

YOU KNOW, WE, ALTHOUGH WE PROBABLY NEVER HAD A CHILD, IT WOULD JUST BE OUR LUCK THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENED.

SO JUST GO AHEAD AND FIGURE OUT A WAY TO TAKE CARE OF THAT SAFETY MEASURES BEFORE ANYTHING HAPPENS.

I JUST THINK THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT.

AND THEN WHEN IT COMES TO THE GENERATOR, I'M HOPING THAT THERE'S A HIGHER STANDARD THAN JUST TWO HOURS FOR A GENERATOR.

NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT HE SAID.

WAS IT, YOU SAID THOUGH, IT'S TAKEN, IT'LL TAKE TWO OF THEM.

IS THAT WHAT SHE'S IN? OH TWO OUT AT JUST TWO HOURS I'M TALKING ABOUT DURING LIKE EARLY THE HURRICANE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TO COVER THAT STANDARD TWO HOURS.

THANKS, JOHN.

THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS.

UM, HE'S ARE YOU LOOKING FOR SOME DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD ON THIS? YES, SIR.

JUST LET US KNOW WHICH DIRECTION YOU'D LIKE FOR THE ARCHITECT TO CONTINUE IN AND THEY WILL, THEY WILL DO SOME, UM, IS THE BOARD IN FAVOR OF MOVING BOARD WITH THE RED, WITH THE DESIGN? WE HAVE TOLD THEM BACK.

NOW GIVE US A PROCESS, THE PROCEDURE ON THIS.

WHEN DO WE GET THE ABSOLUTE FIGURE? WHAT IF WE, WHERE WE SEE IF WE CAN LIVE WITH THE PRICE OR NOT? SO WE'VE DONE A DETAILED ESTIMATE, UH, TO GET TO THIS COST PROJECTION $13.9 MILLION.

UM, BUT IT'S NOT UNTIL CONTRACTORS BID ON THE PROJECT THAT YOU WILL KNOW FOR SURE.

UH, HOW, WHAT IT COMES IN.

I MEAN, I KNOW WHERE IT'S LIKE A CONTRACTOR CAN'T BID ON SOMETHING TILL HE'S GOT A SET OF PLANS AND SPECS, RIGHT? YES.

AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

UM, WELL, YES.

AND WHAT THE MARKET CONDITIONS ARE AT THAT TIME? YES.

YOU THESE NUMBERS BECAUSE WE'RE AT THE END OF SCHEMATIC DESIGN, WE'RE GOING TO NEED ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF, UH, FOR, FROM WHEN WE ARE GIVEN NOTICE TO PROCEED WITH ONE OF THESE OPTIONS, TO MOVE IT TO THE END OF DESIGN DEVELOPMENT PHASE.

SO WHERE, WHERE, WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP? WHEN ARE WE GOING TO PUT THIS OUT THE BED? WELL, HOW MUCH LONGER IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO ACTUALLY HAVE SOME SOLIDIFIED PLANS? BECAUSE WE, I MEAN, WE UNDERSTAND THE SEVERITY OF THIS, YOU KNOW, AND THE LONGER WE TAKE SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE FORECASTING A RECESSION PRETTY SOON.

SO IF WE PUT THE BID OUT AND WE'RE LOCKED IN ON THAT NUMBER, THEN WE CAN MOVE TO THE NEXT STEP.

SO WHAT IS THE ESTIMATED DATE OF ACTUALLY BEING ABLE TO PUT THIS OUT TO BID? WHAT ABOUT YOUR PROCESS RIGHT NOW? ONCE DIRECTION IS GIVEN WHEN YOU ANTICIPATED GOING TO BED.

SO AT THIS POINT WE ARE SHOWING

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AND WE'VE GOT REVIEWS AND INSPECTIONS WITH, UM, THE CITY, UM, AND WITH FEMA.

AND SO SOME OF THAT REVIEW PERIOD IS NOT IN OUR HANDS.

UM, BUT WE WILL HAVE INFORMATION TO THEM.

UM, IF WE'RE RELEASED TO GO TO DAY ONE OF THESE OPTIONS, JULY AND PART OF AUGUST, I WILL DELIVER THIS, LET'S SAY BY THE END OF AUGUST TO THE AUTHORITIES HAVING JURISDICTION.

AND THEN WHENEVER THAT REVIEW PERIOD IS OVER, WE WILL NEED ABOUT TWO MONTHS FOR THE CONSTRUCTIONS, UH, DESIGN PHASE.

AND WE'LL BE JUST HONING IN ON SOME VERY SPECIFIC DETAILS AT THAT POINT.

AND THE WAY THAT WE'VE GOT THE SCHEDULE NOW IS THAT IF WE HADN'T, UM, HAD THIS, UH, BUMP IN THE ROAD AT THE END OF, UH, THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN PHASE, AND WE COULD HAVE BEEN MOVED QUICKER INTO, UM, DESIGNING INVOLVEMENT, WE WOULD HAVE FINISHED DESIGN DEVELOPMENT, UM, AROUND THE 21ST, 22ND OF JULY.

SO, UM, WHICH BUMP IN THE ROAD IN TERMS OF THE COST DIFFERENCES? YEAH.

SOME STANDING.

SO BASICALLY WE'RE SAYING THREE TO FOUR MONTHS TOTAL WITH REVIEW AND YOU KNOW, A BIT, OR WON'T GET IT FOR THREE TO FOUR MONTHS BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE 45 DAYS AND THEN YOU'VE GOT TO SEND IT OFF FOR REVIEW WITH FEMA, THAT COULD BE ANOTHER 30 TO 60 DAYS.

SO WE'RE TALKING THREE TO FOUR MONTH.

SO WE, WE THIN, UM, AROUND, UM, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, WE THINK WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IN THE SCHEDULED DECEMBER BID DATE.

WELL, UM, I JUST WANT THE BOARD UNDERSTAND THAT IF YOU DON'T, UM, GIVE SOME DIRECTION YOUR THAT'S, YOUR RETENTION POND SYSTEM, IT, OKAY.

I THINK WE HAVE GIVEN DIRECTION.

I THINK WE'VE SAID TO THEM CHANGE THE RETENTION POND, BUT LOOK AT THAT, I FEEL LIKE, DID YOU HEAR THAT LOUD AND CLEAR? OKAY.

BUT THAT'S GOING TO HOLD UP THE PROCESS EVEN MORE.

HAVE YOU GUYS MET WITH THE CLAYMORE FOLKS TO KIND OF GET A PRELIMINARY REMEDIATION MITIGATION THAT LAYOUT, OR IS THAT JUST YOUR STANDARD KIND OF ONCE YOU'VE DONE A HUNDRED TIMES BEFORE I UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE CASCADING LITTLE PONDS ARE PROBABLY ASSOCIATED WITH THE TOPO, THE CONTOUR OF THE LAND, ONE DOWN YOU, CAN'T JUST HAVING A LOSS OF THE AWARD.

UM, YOU PROBABLY GET DONE THAT TO KIND OF SYSTEMATICALLY SLAY THE WATER.

I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT SAME TIME THERE'S GREEN AREAS OR AREAS THAT FOR FUTURE GREG, AS THE CITY CONTINUES TO HAVE INCREMENTAL GREGG, UM, WE WILL NEED FUTURE OPPORTUNITIES FOR RECREATION.

AND IF WE, IF WE HAVE IT, IF WE, AS AN EXAMPLE OF CONVENTION CENTER, PART OF ITS RETENTION POND AREA, YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT SIGN OF GRINDER IT'S TO THE LEFT, THIS TWAIN, THE BAIL MEMBER RIVER, I MEAN THE BRIDGE.

UM, SO THESE ARE THE, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH TRAVEL WAS TO TRY TO FIND SOME LAND TO DO THIS ANYWAY.

SO WE HAVE TO SMARTLY USE WHAT LIMITED LAND WE HAVE THERE.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO LIKE DECEMBER WHEN I KNOW WHEN THE NEW BOARD IS DOING THIS, UM, YOU NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS NOW AND PROCESS THIS.

SERVICES AND THROUGH FEMA, AND THEN GET READY TO BID THE PROJECT.

WHAT A HUMBLING CHEWING YOU, RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT'S HOW I FEEL.

UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN ON THIS WAR WHEN IT'S HAPPENED.

I WON'T BE ABLE TO SIT ON THIS BOARD WHEN FINAL DECISIONS ARE MADE.

I'M HOPING THE PEOPLE THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON THE BOARD, UM, AND THE CHANGE OF HANDS, UNDERSTAND WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS, UNDERSTANDS THE SEVERITY OF THE SITUATION.

AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD TO LET IT BID OUT AT WHATEVER THE PRICE IS AT THIS POINT.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, IF HE HAS TO COME BACK AND PRESENT US WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WITH FIXED RETENTION PLANS, IF WE NEED TO DO A SPECIAL CALL MEETING OR SOMETHING, BUT I DON'T WANT IT TO HOLD UP THE PROCESS ANY MORE TO GET IT PUSHED THROUGH THE REVIEW PROCESS WITH FEMA.

AGAIN, FEMA DOES HAVE TO APPROVE THE BUILDING PLAN.

AND THAT'S PART OF THE WHOLE PROCESS OF THAT.

I DON'T THINK THAT THE, ANYTHING WITH THE RETENTION PONDS OR STORM WATER MANAGEMENT IS GOING TO HOLD THIS PROJECT UP.

THE MAIN THING WE NEED TO KNOW IS YOU WANT TO CONTINUE WITH THE INITIAL DESIGN OF THE BUILDING, OR DO YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THE ALTERNATIVE THAT THEY PRESENTED? DO YOU WANT TO GO WITH THE INITIAL DESIGN THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE ON AND, AND THEY'LL GET READY TO GO THROUGH THEIR PROCESSES OF WORKING WITH DEVELOPMENT

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IN THE MEANTIME, THEY'LL DEFINITELY BE WORKING ON THE STORMWATER ISSUES PUBLIC WORKS, BUT THAT WILL, WILL THAT IMPACT THE PRICE OF THE STORMWATER? I, IT, I DON'T ANTICIPATE IT WOULD BE THAT MUCH WITH THAT.

WELL, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MOVE FORWARD, WHAT WE'VE PREVIOUSLY VOTED ON WITH THIS PROJECT.

SO THAT GIVES SOLIDIFIED THE DIRECTION THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PLAN WITH THE 35,094 SQUARE FEET CURRENT HAVE SECOND TO THAT MOTION.

HEY, DISCUSSION.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

I'M LOOKING AT THIS, THIS CHART, THE BACK, IT LOOKS LIKE THE ORIGINAL DESIGN, THE 2021 DID NOT INCLUDE A LAUNDRY ROOM, BUT THE SMALLER FOOTPRINT DOES.

WHAT WOULD BE THE REASONING BEHIND THAT? IF THE MORE UPDATED PLAN WAS TO BE VALUE ENGINEERED TO BRING THE COST.

NOW, WHY WOULD YOU HAVE A LAUNDRY ROOM IN THAT, BUT YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY ORIGINAL PLAN.

ONE THING I WILL SAY TO ANSWER THAT THEY WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE THAT.

AND THEN OUR DISCUSSIONS THE OTHER DAY, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY PUT IT IN THE PLAN, BUT IT WAS MOST LIKELY GOING TO GYM STORAGE ROOM BECAUSE THE AMENITIES THAT THE ORIGINAL STANLEY WHITE CENTER HAD, WE WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE THOSE IN THE NEW CENTER.

SO IT KILLED ROOM THAT KILLING RUIN HAD NOT BEEN USED IN MANY, MANY YEARS.

IT WAS BASICALLY A STORAGE ROOM.

IT HAD BEEN A STORAGE ROOM THROUGHOUT EIGHT TO 10 YEARS BECAUSE THE, THE, THE CERAMICS PROGRAM, I MOVED OVER TO THE, UH, WEST END RECREATION CENTER.

SO THE OTHER THING I WAS LOOKING FOR OR LOOKING AT WAS THE SQUARE FOOT, UH, PROGRAM.

AND THERE'S NOT A LOT OF VARIANCES BETWEEN THESE EXCEPT FOR THE GYM.

THERE'S ABOUT 3,200 SQUARE FOOT DIFFERENCE IN THE TWO GYMNASIUM.

SO IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO GYMS AND THE ORIGINAL PLAN AT TWO GYMS, AND THE SECOND PLAN, WHAT ARE WE SACRIFICING AS SQUARE FOOTAGE WISE? UM, SO THERE ARE IN THE INITIAL, UH, LAYOUT.

WE HAD, UH, THREE MULTI-PURPOSE AREAS, UM, OR BAYS, I SHOULD SAY.

AND NOW WE HAVE, WE STILL HAVE THREE, BUT ONE THEN IS DOUBLING AS A YOGA, UM, STRETCHING AREA.

SO WHEN YOU REMOVE THE YOGA STRETCHING AIR AND FROM THE FIRST DAY, AND YOU BRING IT INTO THE SECOND LAYOUT VIEW, YOU'RE CREATING THAT MULTIPURPOSE ONE THIRD OF THE MULTI-PURPOSE AREA AS A HYBRID SPACE FOR THE YOGA.

AND THEN, UM, YOU DON'T, YOU ALSO GET SOME SUBSCRIPT RATED REDUCTION BY NOT HAVING STAIRS AND ELEVATORS THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING ANYMORE.

OUT, TAKE THAT OUT TO GET THE COST DOWN, OR IS WHAT THEY BID, WHAT THEY'VE BEEN AND WORK VERY HARD TO MATERIALLY CHANGE.

I KNOW I'LL ASK COMMENT, THEN WE'LL VOTE.

I GUESS WE'RE LOOKING AT AN ADDITIONAL $2 MILLION, RIGHT.

WHICH IS, WOULD BE THEN $6 MILLION MORE THAN THE ORIGINAL PLAN.

I KNOW WE WANT TO MOVE EXPEDITIOUSLY, BUT AS OUR WALNUT HARRIS JUST SAID, UM, WE DON'T KNOW WHO'S GOING TO BE ON THE NEXT BOARD.

AND I JUST HATE LEAVING.

UH, WE'RE LEAVING A $4 MILLION DEBT FOR THE NEXT BOARD.

WE'RE POTENTIALLY LEAVING A $6 MILLION DEBT FOR THE NEXT BOARD.

AND WE'RE DOING THAT BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE A DECISIONS NIGHT THAT SMELLY THAT'S HOW MUCH, OR HOW MUCH ARE THE BALLPARK ON THE ARCTIC THESE, UM, ARE THE ARCHITECT FEES OR SOFT COST? I THINK THEY'RE ABOUT JUST UNDER A MILLION DOLLARS ON THAT.

UM, AND IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT DEBT SERVICE, KIM IS PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT, ABOUT THE DEBT SERVICE ON WHERE WE CURRENTLY STAND THE DEBT FROM THE GENERAL FUND THAT IS CURRENTLY COMING OFF WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR AS WELL, TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT BETTER IDEA.

WELL, I KNOW, I KNOW THAT I'M ONLY THE ORIGINAL COST AND WHAT WE HAVE AFTER FAME THING WAS EIGHT MILLIONS.

THAT'S HOW MANY, PROBABLY, IF WE KNEW WHAT WAS AHEAD ABOUT US, WHEN WE STARTED THAT PROCESS, IF WE INDEX FOR THAT BUILDING IN TODAY'S COVID-19 LABOR AND MATERIALS, THAT WOULD BE SUBSTANTIALLY MORE ON OVER 10 I'M SURE.

VERSUS EIGHT.

SO WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THE INDEX OF WHERE WE ARE AS AN, AS A NATION STATE IS THAT'S A TRUE STATEMENT.

SO ANOTHER QUESTION, AND, YOU KNOW, I'M NAIVE ABOUT THIS STUFF.

SO WE GET THIS BACK AND WE BID IT OUT AND IT'S EVEN MORE THAN WHAT WE SAID.

CAN WE WORK WITH, ARE WE WITHIN THE LOT OF WORK WITH A LOW BID OR WORK WITH A BITTER TO ENGINE, YOU KNOW, VALUE ENGINEER, TAKE THIS

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WHAT WE'VE, WHAT WE'VE, I'M SAYING, COULD YOU WORK WITH THE LOW BID OR TO SAY, OKAY, WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE NEED TO GET BACK TO THIS NUMBER AND IT, CAN YOU REMOVE THIS? CAN YOU DO THAT? HOW CAN YOU VALUE ENGINEER AT TIME? CURIOUS TO HEAR THEIR EXPERIENCE? I'VE DONE THAT WITH MINOR ADJUSTMENTS, 12 GRAND HERE, 15,000 THERE, BUT TO SAY, TAKE A MILLION OFF THIS PROJECT IS NOW A DIFFERENT PROJECT THAT NO ONE ELSE HAD A CHANCE TO BID THAT WOULD, SO YOU GET TO A POINT WHERE IT'S JUST TOO MATERIAL, THE STRAIGHT FACE IS THAT? YES.

THAT'S RIGHT.

IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A MOTION.

AND SECOND , IT'S STILL UNDER DISCUSSION.

YOU GOT STORAGE ON THIS BUILDING.

OH, YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVEN'T HAD, YOU HAVE TO REPLACE EVERYTHING THAT WAS PHYSICALLY IN THE BUILDING.

SO WE'RE ONE OF THESE RETENTION PLANS IS WHY CAN'T WE HAVE AN OUTSIDE STORAGE UNIT, WHICH WOULD REDUCE THE COST OF WHAT THE BUILDING IS DOING, BECAUSE THIS IS, UM, 16, 53 SQUARE FEET.

SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE WHATEVER THIS BIG STORAGE IS IN THE BUILDING AND YOU PUT IT OUTSIDE, IS THERE A CREATIVE WAYS TO DO THINGS LIKE THAT, TO BE ABLE TO BRING DOWN THE COST? UH, I'LL LET THE ARCHITECT ANSWER THAT.

SO, UH, IF YOU WERE GOING TO CREATE A STORAGE AREA THAT IS RESILIENT ENOUGH, UH, SOLID WALLS ROOF, AND ALL THAT, IT'S MORE EFFICIENT TO TIE IT TO THE LARGER FOOTPRINT.

IT'S GOING TO COST MORE FOR IT TO BE SEPARATE.

UM, ANY QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS HAVE A ROLL CALL STARTING OUT IN BANGALORE.

ALDERMAN BINGO.

OUT A WOMAN.

HARRIS ALDERMAN ASKED HER MAY YOUR OUTLAW ALDERMAN BEST.

LET'S GET ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

YOU CONSIDER IT A MINOR CONCERN BY THAT WATER NAP.

IS A PRESENTATION PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE UPDATE TO THE LAND USE PLAN.

YES, YES.

KEEP IT SAFE.

THEN YOUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA

[8. Conduct a Public Hearing and Consider Adopting a Resolution Approving the CAMA Land Use Plan Update.]

AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO ASK MATT SHELLY AND SCOTT AND THE GIRL WITH MOPPING NICKEL TO COME UP AND MAKE THE PRESENTATION.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND ALDERMAN.

UH, TONIGHT WE'RE PRESENTING TO YOU THE NEW UPDATE FOR THE LAND USE PLAN FOR NEW BERN.

THIS IS A PROJECT THAT WAS STARTED IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR.

UH, THE KICKOFF MEETING IN JANUARY AND THEN A MEETING WITH THE ZONING AND PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, UH, IN FEBRUARY, MARCH, SORRY.

AND THEN, UH, OVER THE ENSUING MONTHS WAS CRAFTED TO THEN, UH, A FEW WEEKS AGO, THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD HAS RECOMMENDED, UH, APPROVAL OF THE PLAN.

UH, SO TONIGHT, UH, WE'LL HAVE THE CONSULTANT FOR MOFFITT AND NICOLE.

UM, MR. SCOTT LUGAR, TO GIVE YOU A PRESENTATION ABOUT THE PLAN ITSELF.

GREAT, MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

GOOD EVENING, SCOTT WICKER WITH MOFFA NICKEL, VERY NICE TO BE IN YOUR COMMUNITY AND SHOW THE RESULTS OF OUR WORK OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS.

UH, JUST SORT OF OVERALL HIGHLIGHTS SOME OF THE OBJECTIVES OF THE PLAN AND ULTIMATELY TO MOVE TO CONCLUSIONS.

BUT, UH, AS, AS MATT HAD MENTIONED, THIS IS AN EFFORT THAT HAS BEEN ONGOING SINCE OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR, UH, REALLY GAINED STEAM AND SPEED IN JANUARY AND THROUGH THE BALANCE OF THE REST OF THE WINTER, INTO THE SPRING AND INTO TODAY, MOVING THROUGH REALLY THREE PRIMARY OBJECTIVES.

NUMBER ONE, TO UPDATE YOUR LAND USE PLAN TO CERTAINLY MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER ONE 60 D AND THE STATE REQUIREMENTS, UM, FOR THE PREPARATION OF THESE PLANS.

AND IMPORTANTLY, ORIGINALLY SCOPED IT, WASN'T A FULL REDO AND REMODEL OF EVERY SQUARE FOOT OF THE CITY OF NEW AND ALL THE LAND USES.

UM, AS SCOPED AT THE TIME IN OCTOBER, UM, WE WERE ASKED TO REALLY LOOK AND FOCUS ON THOSE AREAS THAT HAVE, AND CONTINUE TO SEE SIGNIFICANT GROWTH AS MEASURED BY BUILDING PERMITS AS MEASURED BY INTEREST DEVELOPMENT, ET CETERA.

AND SO, AS YOU REVIEWED IN YOUR PACKET, THE THRUST OF THE PLAN IS REALLY LOOKING INTO THREE KEY AREAS OF, OF ANCHORAGE AND CORRIDORS THAT WE'VE CALLED THE FOCUS AREAS AS PART,

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UM, AS MENTIONED IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH IT STARTED IN OCTOBER, WE'VE MOVED THROUGH THREE PRIMARY OF GROUPINGS OF ACTIVITIES.

AND THEN AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, THE FIRST IS DATA COLLECTION AND UNDERSTANDING AND REVIEW OF DOCUMENTS AND COMPONENTS AND ALL THE GREAT WORK THAT, UH, THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN DOING SINCE THE LAST MAJOR PREPARATION OF LAND USE PLAN, WHICH WAS, UH, THE REGIONAL LAND USE PLAN OF 2010, UM, TO DRAFT SOME, SOME DIFFERENT CONCEPTS OF DIFFERENT FUTURE LAND, USE CONCEPTS, UH, AND ANALYSIS USING GIS AND OTHER MAPPING TO SORT OF LOOK AT THINGS OF SUITABILITY, LOOK AT WHERE FLOODS AND HAZARDS ARE.

AND WE HAD THE FORTUNE OF WORKING ON YOUR RESILIENCY PLAN THAT YOU ADOPTED BACK IN MARCH.

SO CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE TO THE FOUR OF SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND POLICIES IN THIS DOCUMENT.

UH, AND THEN FINALLY, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE LAND USE PLAN ITSELF, UH, FOCUSED PRIMARILY, AS I MENTIONED ON THOSE CORE ZONES, UH, AND WRINGING ALONG WITH IT COMPONENTS, THE 2010 PLAN IN CASE THERE ARE SOME GAPS THAT ARE COVERED IN OUR DOCUMENT THAT YOU SORT OF FROM A TO Z ARE COVERED IN TERMS OF A LAND USE PLAN MOVING FORWARD.

UM, JUST TO, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO READ THROUGH SEVERAL OF THESE, BUT JUST TO SORT OF GIVE YOU A QUICK LIST OF MANY OF THE DOCUMENTS AND THE THINGS THAT WERE REVIEWED AS PART OF THE PLAN AND SORT OF, UH, WERE CARRIED FORWARD INTO, UH, AND THROUGHOUT OUR PROCESS.

AND OF COURSE, MOST IMPORTANT, UH, AND KIND OF FUNDAMENTAL AS PART OF THIS PROCESS WAS LOOKING AT THE WORK THAT WAS DONE THROUGH THE REGIONAL LAND USE PLAN, UH, THAT, UH, YOU SEE HERE ON YOUR SCREEN.

AND AS I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A, AN UPDATE AND IT REPLACES THE 2010 REGIONAL LAND USE PLAN, ITS ENTIRETY.

UH, HOWEVER, IF THERE ARE ELEMENTS, UH, THAT THE 2010 PLAN IS INCORPORATED AS PART OF THIS UPDATE BY REFERENCE, UH, IN CASE THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT AREN'T INCLUDED OR THERE'S SOME, SOME GAPS.

UM, SO AS I MENTIONED, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT FROM A TO Z THIS DOCUMENT, UH, IF AN AS APPROVED GIVES YOU FULL COVERAGE FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE CITY OF NEWBURN MOVING FORWARD.

AND AS I SAID, WE REALLY LOOKED AT AS PART OF THIS PLANNING EFFORT ON THREE KEY FOCUS AREAS.

UM, EVEN IN THE SCOPING BACK IN OCTOBER, UH, EARLY DISCUSSIONS, BOTH IN KICKOFF WITH STAFF AND IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, UM, THESE ZONES WERE CRAFTED AND IDENTIFIED BASED ON, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE DIFFERENT STRESSES AND DECISION-MAKING, AND ULTIMATELY WHERE THE PRIMARY AND PRINCIPAL DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN OCCURRING IN YOUR COMMUNITY SINCE 2010.

AND MOVING FORWARD BEYOND THIS PLAN INTO THE NEXT 10 YEARS, UH, THESE AREAS, UH, AS WE DEFINE THEM, UH, THE FIRST ONE IS SHOWN IN THE ORANGE, UH, THE MLK BOULEVARD FOCUS AREA, UH, WHICH COMPRISES ABOUT 6,600 ACRES, UH, AND, UH, HIS AREA AROUND, UH, THE MLK BOULEVARD, BALD BOULEVARD, AREA CORRIDOR, UH, AS WELL AS US, 70 AND SORT OF PROPERTY NORTH AND SOUTH OF THAT AREA.

THE SECOND SHOWN IN THE BLUE IS WHAT WE REFER TO AS THE NC 43 FOCUS AREA, SMALLER THAN THE FIRST DM.

VALIDATE CHANGE AND UPDATE YOUR FUTURE LAND, USE PLANNING AS IT LOOKS FORWARD INTO THE FUTURE.

UH, BOULEVARD FOCUS AREA.

IT'S ABOUT 26 ACRES, UH, AND ENCOMPASSES THE LAND AROUND THE NC 43, UM, CORRIDOR, UH, IN THE INTERCHANGE THAT US 17, UM, AND DOES MOVE OUT TO THE NEW TJ EXTENDED TERRITORY JURISDICTION.

AND THEN THE FINAL IS, IS, UH, IS CERTAINLY, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT CONTIGUOUS WITH THOSE FIRST TWO DOWN IN THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE CITY WHERE YOU HAD CERTAINLY LOTS OF GROWTH.

AND WE CALL THAT THE U S 70 FOCUS AREA.

IT'S ABOUT 4,700 ACRES, UM, ENCOMPASSING THE LAND IN AND AROUND AND MOSTLY TO THE WEST OF THE US 70 CORRIDOR.

SO THOSE BECAME THE FOCUS ZONES.

AND AS WE COLLECT THE DATA, AND AS YOU SAW, AS WE REVIEWED ALL THE DIFFERENT PLANNING DOCUMENTATION, UH, AND BROUGHT MANY OF THOSE COMPONENTS INTO THE PLAN MAKING PART OF IT WAS OF COURSE, USING GIS AND OTHER TECHNOLOGIES START TO MAP SUITABILITY, YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE THE UTILITIES AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE WHERE HAD THE BUILDING PERMITS HAVE BEEN HAPPENING? WHAT AREAS FOR EXAMPLE, SHOWED IN THE MIDDLE, UH, OR SUSCEPTIBLE TO FLOODING AND STORMS, UH, THE A HUNDRED YEAR STORM AND FLOOD ZONES, ET CETERA.

UH, AND EVEN TO THE FAR, RIGHT, RIGHT.

STARTING TO USE DIFFERENT CRITERIA TO MAP OUT SUITABILITY OF LAND DEVELOPMENT.

WHAT ARE THOSE AREAS THAT BECAUSE OF PROXIMITY TO UTILITIES OUT OF A FLOOD ZONE SORT OF IMMEDIATELY, AND THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT WAYS WE CAN SLICE IT, THE CRITERIA, BUT THESE BECAME SORT OF IMMEDIATE GUIDEPOSTS TO SAY, HEY, THESE, THESE ARE ANOTHER KIND OF DATA POINT TO HELP IN THE DECISION-MAKING PROCESS AS TO WHY YOU WOULD

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AND SO THROUGH THAT WORK THROUGH THAT ANALYSIS, WHICH OCCURRED THROUGH THE BALANCE OF THE SPRING AND INTO, UM, REALLY THE LAST MONTH AND A HALF.

AND AS WE PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, THE CORE ELEMENT AND THE CORE COMPONENTS OF, OF THE LAND USE PLAN ARE REALLY TWOFOLD.

THERE'S THE MAPPING, WHICH YOU SEE ON YOUR SCREEN.

UH, AND THIS IS THE RECOMMENDED 2022 GENERALIZED FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.

WE WORK TO TRY AND KEEP IT BOTH.

THOSE THAT ARE DEVELOPED, WHICH ARE SHOWN IN THE GRAY AND MANY OF THESE WHEN YOU SORT OF DO A COMPARATIVE, YOU KNOW, FROM 2010 TO NOW 2022, A LOT OF THESE THINGS HAVE ALREADY HAPPENED OVER THE COURSE OF 20 YEARS.

SO THINGS AT THAT TIME THAT WERE CONSIDERED URBAN TRANSITION THAT WOULD BE DEVELOPED, HAVE ALREADY BEEN NOW DEVELOPED.

AND SO IT SORT OF MOVED INTO THAT GRAY CATEGORY WHERE WE'RE REFERRING TO IT AS DEVELOPED LAND.

UH, THERE ARE ALWAYS OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN THOSE ZONES FOR URBAN INFILL, UH, AND, AND YOU CAN SEE ONE AREA WE'VE SORT OF HIGHLIGHTED A FEW ZONES THAT WE CALL OPPORTUNITIES, ZONES THAT BECAUSE OF TRANSIT ACCESSIBILITY, MAYBE THEY COULD HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL DENSITY THAT COULD HAVE SOME SMALL AREA PLANNING THAT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, FOCUSED WITH MORE GRANULAR TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, SUCH AS, UM, THE, THE MALL THAT IS RIGHT AROUND IN THE CIRCLE AT MLK, THAT THAT BECOMES AN AREA THAT'S SUITABLE FOR ADDITIONAL STUDY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S WITHIN THE DEVELOPED LAND AREA.

WE DO SEE CONTINUED FOCUS HAPPENING IN THAT ZONE.

THE SECOND CATEGORY, URBAN TRANSITION THAT'S SHOWN, UH, WE'LL CALL IT IN THE GOLDEN ROD COLOR.

AND THOSE ARE THE AREAS THAT WE SEE, UM, DEVELOPMENT ALREADY HAPPENING, OR THE DEVELOPMENT WE BELIEVE THROUGH OUR ANALYSIS AS SUITABLE MOVING FORWARD OVER THE NEXT DECADE INTO THE NEXT TIME YOU DO YOUR LAND USE PLAN UPDATE CYCLE.

UH, AND THEN FINALLY THOSE AREAS WE'VE SORT OF AGGLOMERATED AGRICULTURE AND OPEN SPACE INTO WHAT WE REFER TO AS RURAL.

UH, AND SO THIS COMPILES ALL THE REMAINING LAND AND THAT LAND THAT FOR VARIOUS REASONS IS UNSUITABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT, UH, OR REALLY IS NOT FROM OUR ANALYSIS, UM, UH, AKIN TO, I THINK THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AND THE TYPES OF COMPONENTS AND VALUES, UH, THAT WE'RE SEEING, UH, YOU KNOW, MOVE FORWARD IN THE COMMUNITY.

MANY AREAS THAT ARE, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE, IN THE SOUTHERN AREA THAT ARE GREEN ARE PART OF THE FLOOD PLAIN, UH, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE UNSUITABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT, SIMILAR TO THE VERY BASE OF THE MLK CORRIDOR IN THE BOTTOM.

YOU CAN SEE THAT LARGE STRETCH OF GREEN AREA, AGAIN, A HIGHLY, YOU KNOW, LOW LANDS, HIGHLY PRONE TO FLOODING, GENERALLY UNSUITABLE.

THERE'S SOME LITTLE POCKETS IN THERE, BUT GENERALLY IN SUITABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT.

AND THAT BECAME SORT OF THE MAPPING COMPONENT ASSOCIATED WITH THE WORK.

AND THEN THE BALANCE BECAME REAUTHORIZING, I'M SORRY, RE OFFERING A REWRITING AND BRINGING TO THE FORE, UM, THROUGH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS THROUGH REVIEW OF YOUR DOCUMENTS, ALL THE OTHER PLANS THAT I REFERENCED, UM, AND THEN JUST SOME BEST PRACTICES UPDATING SOME OF THE GOALS, THE POLICIES, AND ULTIMATELY THE ACTIONS THROUGH WHICH WHEN YOU CONSIDER DEVELOPMENT IN THESE AREAS, YOU'VE GOT SOME GUIDEPOSTS TO SAY, HEY, OUR ROADS CONNECTING, ARE YOU SUPPORTING, UM, RESILIENCY STANDARDS THAT ARE SORT OF ALREADY PART OF OUR WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE MOVING FORWARD? UM, ARE WE WORKING TO BE MORE SUSTAINABLE OR RECREATING AND INCORPORATING OUR BIKE HEAD COMPONENTS APPROPRIATELY? AND WE FOCUSED UP THE GOAL AND THE POLICY RIDING REALLY IN FOUR PRIMARY CATEGORIES, THOSE LAND USE, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE, CERTAINLY MAKING SURE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE SYSTEMS ARE APPROVED AND APPROPRIATE FOR THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT IS SUITABLY LOCATED, UH, AND THAT IT'S MANAGED ACCORDINGLY, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION CLEARLY, YOU KNOW, PROTECTING OPEN SPACE, MAKING SURE AND DISCOURAGING DEVELOPMENT WHERE IT SHOULDN'T OCCUR AND ENCOURAGING WHERE IT MAKES THE MOST SENSE.

AND THEN FINALLY, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, MAKING SURE THAT BUSINESSES AND INDUSTRIES, UH, ARE ABLE TO EXPAND AND DIVERSIFY AND THAT WE'RE CREATING A FRAMEWORK THROUGH WHICH THEY CAN, THEY CAN SUCCEED MOVING FORWARD.

UM, AND THERE ARE, THERE, THERE ARE PROBABLY, I SHOULD HAVE COUNTED THEM.

UH, THERE'S ABOUT 80 DIFFERENT POLICIES AND ACTION ITEMS THAT SORT OF, YOU KNOW, LIVE BELOW EACH ONE OF THOSE GOALS.

AND THEN ULTIMATELY, UM,

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WE SEE WILL BE INSTRUCTIVE AS DEVELOPMENT AND OPPORTUNITIES ARE BROUGHT, UH, AGAIN TO THE, FOR, UH, IN THIS COMMUNITY MOVING FORWARD.

SO, UH, SOME NEXT STEPS OF COURSE, UH, THROUGH THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE AND AS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, UH, WE HOPE YOU CONSIDER THIS WORK THAT WAS CONCLUDED IN YOUR PACKAGE, UM, AND, UH, AND CONSIDERED FOR ADOPTION.

WE DO REALIZE, AND, AND EVEN IN DISCUSSIONS WITH, UH, STAFF AND OTHERS, THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL LITTLE AREAS THAT MIGHT, UH, BE USEFUL TO GO UNDER THE HOOD AGAIN, AND TO TWEAK AND TAILOR, OR EVEN AS WE DISCUSS THEM SOME SMALL AREAS OR FOCUS ZONES.

AND THOSE MIGHT BE, UH, YOU KNOW, REASONABLE FOLLOW-UP ITEMS AS WELL, POST, UH, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLE ADOPTION OF THE PLAN, UH, AND MOVING FORWARD.

SO I THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT, AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN QUESTION.

UM, DID, IN YOUR SKYPE OF WORK, DO YOU ENGAGE THE PUBLIC, THE CITIZENS ABOUT ANY OF THIS IN YOUR COLLECTING INFORMATION? DO YOU WORK WITH JUST STAFF ON IT OR WE, WE DID.

WE, WE PRIMARILY WORKED WITH STAFF, UH, BUT THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEETINGS ARE PUBLICLY, YOU KNOW, THEIR MEETINGS THAT ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, UH, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THOSE WERE, WERE ADVERTISED APPROPRIATELY AND HAD OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE PUBLIC TO PARTICIPATE.

AND OF COURSE TONIGHT'S PUBLIC HEARING.

SO I MEAN, PUBLIC MEETING IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM JUST GOING OUT AND TALKING WITH, PARTICULARLY IN THEIR PHYSICAL NEIGHBORHOOD DYNAMIC ISSUES.

DID YOU, YOU DON'T DO THAT AS PART OF YOUR NORMAL SCOPE OF WORK DOING THESE LAND USE PLANS.

D D WE, WE, WE OFTEN DO, UH, REALLY FOR NOT JUST LAND USE, BUT FOR ALL TYPES OF MASTER PLANNING, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE TYPE AND SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE ON IMMUNITIES FACING, WE, WE ABSOLUTELY WILL DO VIRTUAL AND IN-PERSON MEETINGS, UM, TO TRY AND DEVELOP A STRONG FOUNDATION OF, UH, PERSISTENT FOR DECISION-MAKING AND HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, GETTING GOOD IDEAS.

UM, I'M NOT, I'M NOT ASKING YOU A LEADING QUESTION HERE, BUT I'M JUST GOING TO ASK YOU A QUESTION.

UM, OBVIOUSLY YOU DO A LOT OF THESE AND, UM, EITHER BECAUSE OF, UM, IN PLACE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, I DRAINAGE STONEWORK AND OTHER THINGS YOU PROBABLY GO INTO SOME COMMUNITIES THAT ARE, YOU'RE LUCKY ARE FARMER BROWN A HUNDRED YEARS AGO.

AND HE, AND FARMER JONES WERE FARMING.

THEY BUILT A NICE SPLIT WAY, THE NICE CANAL, AND IN SOME AREAS OF RAPID GROWTH, LIKE A CRABTREE VALLEY MALL AREA, OR SOME IN RALEIGH, MAYBE THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

AND THEN YOU HAVE THESE FLOODS AND AREAS THAT PROBABLY OWN A FAINT OF FLOOD MAP WOULD NOT FLOOD.

RIGHT.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING IF YOU'VE GOT SOME CITY SUBSISTENCE INPUT, BECAUSE FOR WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY ABOUT LAND USE, IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE YOUR WORK IS PRETTY MUCH PRIMARILY BASED ON FEMA MAPS WHEN IN FACT, UM, BECAUSE OF, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHERE I PIN THE TAIL ON THE DONKEY, AS FAR AS POOR PLANNING, UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF 14 TO 16 FOOT ELEVATION AREAS, A NEIGHBOR THAT WILL FLOOD ON CERTAIN FLOOD EVENTS.

UM, SO YOU DON'T SEE THAT ON THE MAP AND I CAN SHOW YOU SOME OF THOSE AREAS AND MCCONNELL'S, UM, YOU PROBABLY NEED A TANDEM AND THREE FOOT WHERE YOU GOT A THREE FOOT CULVERT IN PLACE.

SO YOU, WHEN YOU'RE DOING YOUR INVESTIGATING, WOULD YOU NOT WANT TO KNOW THAT? YEAH, I MEAN, WE WOULD, OBVIOUSLY WE'D LIKE TO KNOW AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

I TELL YOU, I GIVE ABOUT 20 CITIZENS TO HELP YOU OUT WITH THAT REAL QUICK.

I REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, THIS, THE, THE GENERALIZED FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, WE'RE WORKING AT A VERY KIND OF A COURSE LEVEL.

AND THEN AS YOU MOVE DOWN INTO ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL, YOU'RE WORKING DOWN INTO MUCH MORE GRANULAR ANALYSIS.

AND SOMETIMES AT THE LARGE GENERAL GENERALIZED LEVEL, YOU MAY NOT HAVE, OR YOU'LL MAKE DECISIONS.

YOU KNOW, YOU'LL SAY IT'S SUITABLE IN A GENERAL WAY TO HAVE THAT TYPE OF LAND USE, BUT YOU HAVE ALL OF THESE OTHER LEVERS THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL PROCESS THAT ARE ASSESSED TO PULL THAT MAYBE BECAUSE OF FLOODING OR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR MORE DETAILED MAPPING, YOU'RE GOING, YOU NEED TO THINK MR. DOE OR MRS. DEVELOPER A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL OR SITE OR CONFIGURATION, OR EVEN AS THE PREVIOUS, UH, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE RECREATION FACILITY AS TO EXACTLY HOW STORMWATER IS GETTING INTERACT ON THE SITE.

I MEAN, I WOULD JUST SAY IF, IF, UH, IF JACKSONVILLE, NORTH CAROLINA, NORTH CAROLINA, WHERE A DENTIST,

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MY LAND USE OR A LAND USE PLAN WOULD BE TOTALLY DIFFERENT BASED ON THE SIZE OF A DRAINAGE CULVERTS AND OTHER THINGS IN JACKSONVILLE VERSUS NEWBURGH, I WOULD BE MAKING A TOTALLY DIFFERENT MAPPING, NOT THE TWO SIDE.

IS THERE ANYTHING TO PRECLUDE US FROM ADOPTING THIS AND THEN PUTTING MORE DETAIL IN IT BACK THEN STILL BE THE CASE.

BUT I THINK YOU JUST GO BY FLOOD MAPS AS WELL.

I THINK YOU DO.

UM, A LOT OF TIMES WE GET ASKED, UM, THIS BLUEPRINT HAVE A STRATEGIC PLAN AND I KIND OF SAY, WELL, WE'VE GOT A LAND USE PLAN.

DO YOU THINK THAT THE TWO ARE COMPARABLE OR DO YOU START WITH A LAND USE PLAN AND THEN GO TO DIFFERENT AREAS AND MAKE STRATEGIC PLANS? BECAUSE IT IS CONFUSING TO ME BECAUSE THIS BASICALLY LAYS OUT WHAT OUR STRATEGY IS FOR GROWTH IN THE CITY OF NEWARK.

RIGHT.

SO, UM, I'M SURE THERE'S A BY THE BOOK ANSWER AND THERE'S A PERSONAL, I'LL GIVE YOU MY PERSONAL ANSWER IS THAT, UM, IN THE, IN THE PRACTICE, THE LAND USE PLAN GENERALLY IS A FOUNDATIONAL PIECE.

AND I HAVE FOUND THAT THEN THE NEXT AGAIN, KIND OF MORE GRANULAR LEVEL OF SMALL AREA PLAN, UH, SPECIAL USE DISTRICTS, HISTORIC DISTRICTS.

I DO A LOT OF WATERFRONT PLANNING.

SO WATERFRONT DISTRICTS, THAT'S WHERE YOU, THAT'S WHERE THE RUBBER REALLY, REALLY HIT THE ROADS IS YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN HAVE A VERY FOCUSED DISCUSSION AND A CONVERSATION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MRS. SMITH'S FRONT YARD OR THE, HOW THE STREET WORKS.

AND, UH, I FEEL, I FEEL, AGAIN, THAT'S A PERSONAL OPINION THAT THOSE ARE FAR MORE STRATEGIC AND WITH GREAT STAFF AND GREAT CHAMPIONS FOR PROJECTS FAR MORE IMPLEMENTABLE MOVING FORWARD, THEN YOU GET A LOT OF PARTICIPATION FROM, FOR THESE MEETINGS, UH, THE, THE S THE, THE, THE STAFF AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEETINGS WHERE WE'RE WELL-INTENDED.

AND THE LAST ONE WE HAD WAS, WAS A FOUR HOUR DISCUSSION.

WELL, I MEAN, THIS IS ALL GOOD.

I MEAN, IT'S GREAT INFORMATION.

UM, I GAVE YOU THE EXAMPLE, UH, ONE AREA I LIVE, YOU KNOW, LIKE IT CONTINUES, UH, DEVELOPMENT DOWNSTREAM, AND THEN ONE DOWNSTREAM, AND THEN ONE, AND YOU KNOW WHAT THAT DOES UPS RAYMOND'S.

AND, UM, IT IS SUCH STRESS IN ONE AREA.

I WILL NOT MENTION THAT, UM, ONE ENGINEER WAS NO RE IT WAS GOING AROUND THE WATER WAY DOWN A LINE COME.

NOW, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LIKE FIVE BIG TIMBER COMPANIES AND OWN THIS UNTIL IT GETS OUT TO MAJOR ARTERY AND SILOED.

I JUST ASK THE QUESTION, WHO'S GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT LOCK AND CANAL STAYS CLEAR, RIGHT? THAT WAS, THERE WAS LIKE THREE PROPERTY OWNERS.

NOBODY CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION, BUT THEY WERE SURE FIXING TO PUT SOME WATER DOWN THERE JUST SO THEY CAN SOLVE THEIR PROBLEM SO THEY COULD GET THERE TO VOTE THEM, FIXING IT.

THAT'S THE PROBLEM WHEN WE HAVE NEW AND I DON'T MEAN OPEN OR ANYTHING, IT'S JUST THAT, UM, I WOULD CERTAINLY, UM, WOULDN'T, MIGHT'VE SEEN LAND USE PLANTS, CAVEATS, OR SOME, UH, A RAT, A RAT, OR SOME TYPE OF INDEX, UH, SOME, UM, KEY CONSIDERATIONS AND CONCERNS THAT SOMEONE'S GOING TO HAVE TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS AT SOME POINT, I MEAN, DEPARTMENTAL REVIEW PROCESS WOULD COME IN, WE'RE GOING TO PUT 200 NEW UNITS SAYING, HAVE A 10 YEAR ORDER EVENT, PRIMARY, SECONDARY, THEN IT'S ANYBODY'S GUESS WHATEVER.

I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN IN ONE NEAR OUR ONE HARRIS, HER NEIGHBORHOOD, WHERE INSTEAD OF THE WORD RUNNING OUT OF HER RETENTION POT, IT'S COMING IN, IT'S COMING IN AND A STORM EVENT.

SO, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD CERTAINLY PUT THAT IN THE BACK OF THE BOOK FOR PLANNING.

UH, HE BLAMES ANY COMMENTS, OBVIOUSLY ONE, THEY CLAIMED THAT SO HAS ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS THEY CAN ADD TO IT.

UM, WE WILL NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC HEARING.

IF ANYBODY WAS COMING IN FROM THE PUBLIC, COME FORWARD, MAKE COMMENTS, ASK QUESTIONS, ET CETERA.

YOU'RE FREE TO COME UP, OR THERE'S THE EXPERT BACK THERE THAT MR. BE MORE WILLING TO COME UP AND ASK ANY QUESTIONS, MAKE ANY ECONOMY.

MAY I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SPOKEN? UM, IT WAS MOTION SEGMENTS.

THEY MIGHT HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR MOTION, SAY AYE.

AYE.

ALL OPPOSED.

MOTION CARRIES QUESTION.

IS THERE ANY, UM, I MEAN, IF WE WANT MORE DETAIL IN IT,

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THAT'S THE POINT.

AND THEN WE CAN STILL, YOU KNOW, I HAD THIS QUESTION BEFORE, BUT IT'S NOT A PART OF LANGUAGE WHERE SOME OF OUR ZONING STUFF REALLY NEEDS TO.

WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE SOME NEEDS TO CHANGE.

CAUSE WE GOT THAT C4 AND C3 THING THAT DROVE ME CRAZY.

LET'S YEAH, THOSE ARE THE DEFINITIONAL CHANGES TO RESERVES RATHER THAN A REZONING THAT YESTERDAY.

AND THAT IS NOT THE, AND THAT'S NOT THIS DOCUMENT.

IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN MAYOR, I MAKE, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE CAMPBELL LAND USE PLAN UPDATES.

MOST OF THAT SEGMENT IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION.

SEE ANOTHER SEVEN ROLL CALL, STARTING WITH ALDERMAN OF HOW TO RUN THE ITEM.

OUTER MENDEZ.

MAY OR AL ORDERING THE ASTROS OR THE WOMAN HARRIS ORDERING THE BAGEL.

AND YOUR NEXT ITEM IS CONSIDERED A RESOLUTION RESPONSE.

[9. Consider Adopting a Resolution Ratifying the Action to Rename Hospital Drive as Ray Leggett Way.]

RATIFYING THE ACTION TO RENAME HOSPITAL DRIVE IS RE LEGGED WAY DURING A CLOSED SESSION AT THE JUNE 14TH MEETING, THE BOARD TOOK ACTION TO RENAME THE HOSPITAL DRIVE AS LAKE RAY LIGGETT WAY.

THE ACTION WAS REQUESTED BY THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS FOR EAST CARROT, CAROLINA, EAST HEALTH SYSTEM, AND THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR CAROLINA EAST MEDICAL CENTER TO HONOR MR. LEGGETT FOR HIS SERVICES PRESIDENT AND CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER OF THE CAROLINA EAST HEALTH SYSTEM.

UM, I'LL JUST MAKE A COMMENT THAT, UM, I APPRECIATE THE BOARD SUPPORTING THIS IN OUR LAST BOARD MEETING, WE DID PRESENT MR. LEGGETT WITH A RESOLUTION AND ALSO THE HOSPITAL HAD A SIGN MADE.

HUH? THE ONLY ISSUE IS, I GUESS WE USE BLUE SIGNS IN THE CITY FOR OUR STREET SIGNS AND THEY HAD A GREEN WITH MADE UP.

SO HE ACTUALLY GOT TO TAKE THAT ONE HOME AND HIM AND HIS WIFE WERE HAVING A DISCUSSION ON WHERE THEY WERE ACTUALLY GOING TO HANG THAT UP.

HE WAS, UH, HE WAS VERY HUMBLED AND APPRECIATIVE OF THE GESTURE.

SO THERE'S ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I CAN MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT A RESOLUTION RATIFYING.

THE ACTION TO RENAME HOSPITAL DRIVE IS RE LEGGED.

WAIT, SORRY AGAIN.

SAYING, IS THERE DISCUSSION, SAY ANOTHER SEVERAL CALLS STARTING WITH THE ULTIMATE MAINLY HOW WOULD A WOMAN HARRIS? YES.

ALDERMAN ASKED HER MAY ARE OUTLAW ALDERMAN.

[10. Consider Adopting a Resolution Approving the Sale of 1703 Wilmington Street.]

NUMBER 10.

NEXT ITEM IS CONSIDER A RESOLUTION PRUDENT APPROVING THE SALE OF 1,703 WOMEN IN THE STREET AFTER RECEIVING AN OFFER OF $3,000 FROM ASHLEY.

BUT WAIT, THE BOARD ADOPTED THE RESOLUTION ON MAY 24TH TO INITIATE THE UPSET BID PROCESS.

A BID WAS ADVERTISED, BUT NO UPSET BIDS WERE RECEIVED.

THE VACANT 0.09 ACRE.

PARTIAL HAS A TAX VALUE OF $6,000 AND WAS ACQUIRED BY THE CITY OF 2008.

THE BIDDER OWNS THE ADJACENT PROPERTY AT 1,705 WILMINGTON STREET AND IS SEEKING TO EXPAND OR GREENSPACE.

NOBODY HAS A QUESTION.

SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THE RESOLUTION APPROVING THE SALE OF 1703 WILMINGTON STREET.

ALL RIGHT, MOTION.

SECOND.

IS THERE DISCUSSION SEEING, I MUST HAVE A ROLL CALL STARTING WITH WOMEN OUT OF ITEM.

MAY OUR OUTLAWS ALDERMAN ASKS US OR THE WOMAN HEARS YES.

ARGUMENT BAGEL.

MOTION CARRIES

[11. Consider Adopting a Resolution Approving the Sale of 2200 Grace Avenue.]

ITEM NUMBER 11.

NEXT ITEM IS CONSIDER A RESOLUTION TO PRIVY THE SALE OF 2200 GRACE AVENUE AFTER RECEIVING AN OFFER OF $10,600 FROM KENNY MUSE, THE BOARD ADOPTED A RESOLUTION ON MAY 24TH TO INITIATE THE UPSET BID PROCESS.

THE BID WAS ADVERTISED, BUT NOTES AT DEATH WERE RECEIVED.

THE 0.2, TWO ACRE VACANT PARCEL HAS A TAX VALUE OF $20,000 AND WAS DONATED TO THE CITY IN 1992.

QUESTION.

UM, MATT, IT SAYS HERE, THE BIDDER HAS SPOKEN WITH STAFF AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ABOUT HIS PLANS FOR THE PROPERTY.

UM, THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE CORNER OF GRACE AND 17 SOUTH.

I MEAN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IN A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER I HAVE CONCERNS, YOU KNOW, RIGHT, RIGHT.

ON THE STREET, YOU KNOW, 17 GRACE.

MY CONCERN IS THAT 10,000 MAY NOT BE ENOUGH TO PAY FOR THIS CORNER LOT.

I'M AFRAID THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE IT AND SELL IT FOR UNDER A THOUSAND DOLLARS.

THE WAY THE PROPERTY HAS GONE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR PLANS WERE FOR IT.

UM, I MEAN THE WAY THE CORNER LOTS ARE GOING IN THAT COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING.

SO THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTION.

CAN YOU, CAN YOU JUST EDUCATE US AND Z BUILDING THIS PHONE? THERE IS BUSINESS THERE.

SO, UM, THE PROPERTY IS A VERY SHARP ACUTE TRIANGULAR LOT.

UH, SO SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL IS LIMITED

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JUST BY THAT SECOND.

IT'S ALSO, I BELIEVE ZONED RESIDENTIAL.

SO COMMERCIAL.

NOT UNDER CURRENT ZONING.

THAT'S FINE.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE BEING AWARE OF STUFF.

AND I KNOW WE, I KNOW WE HAVE THE 50%, THAT'S THE MINIMUM, BUT WE SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MAXIMIZING WHAT WE'RE GETTING FROM OUR SALES.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT HE CAN'T COME BACK AND ASK FOR IT TO BE A JOHNNY JOHNNY CHANGE.

CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

ANYONE CAN DO THAT AT ANY TIME.

IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THE RESOLUTION APPROVING THE SALE OF 2, 2, 0, 0 GRACE HAPPENING MOTION.

AND SECOND IS THERE DISCUSSION, SEE NON SALAI ROLL CALLS STARTED WITH ALL THE YES.

OH, THE WOMAN HARRIS.

NEXT ITEM IS CONSIDER A RESOLUTION TO INITIATE THE UPSET BID PROCESS FOR 2,107 PEARSON STREET DAVIS MCKINLEY PROPERTIES LLC MADE AN OFFER TO PURCHASE THIS PROPERTY FOR $3,750, WHICH IS 50% OF THE TAX VALUE.

ALDERMAN ESTHER, MAY YOUR OUTLAW ORDERING THIS ITEM? YES.

[12. Consider Adopting a Resolution to Initiate the Upset Bid Process for 2107 Pearson Street.]

THE VACANT 0.23 ACRE PARCEL HAS A TAX VALUE OF $7,500 AND WAS ACQUIRED BY THE CITY AND COUNTY IN 2019 TO TAX FORECLOSURE TAXES, COSTS, INTEREST AND PENALTIES DUE AT THIS TIME OR $3,189 32 CENTS THE COUNTY AND $1,651 74 CENTS TO THE CITY.

IF THE PROPERTY IS SOLD FOR THE INITIAL BID, THE COUNTY IS ESTIMATED TO RECEIVE $2,572 AND 58 CENTS.

AND THE CITY WILL RECEIVE $1,177 AND 42 CENTS FROM THE PROCEEDS CITY WILL ALSO RECEIVE REIMBURSEMENT FOR THE COST TO ADVERTISE THE BID.

UH, THE BIDDER HAS POLITICAL WITH STAFF AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND THEY ARE SATISFIED WITH THAT.

THE PROPERTY IS SUITABLE FOR FUTURE PLANS.

THERE'S NO DISCUSSION I'D LIKE TO DO.

WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND BULK ON 12 AND 13 TOGETHER.

NOW I HAVE SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION, TO INITIATE THE UPSET BID PROCESS FOR 2 1 0 7 PEARSON STREET, SECOND MOTION.

AND SECOND IS THERE DISCUSSION.

SEE, NONE OF US HAVE A ROLL CALL STARTING WITH ALDERMAN ALDERMAN ITEM.

AUTO MENDEZ.

MAY YOUR OUTLAW HALDEMAN ASKED HER OUT A WOMAN HARRIS.

MOTION

[13. Consider Adopting a Resolution to Initiate the Upset Bid Process for 803 Pavie Avenue.]

CARRIES ITEM NUMBER 13.

NEXT TIME IT WAS CONSIDERED A RESOLUTION TO INITIATE THE BID PROCESS FOR 803 POVEY AVENUE.

SUSAN BARBARA MADE AN OFFER TO PURCHASE HIS PROPERTY FOR $2,000, WHICH IS 50% OF THE TAX VALUE.

THE BACON VACANT 0.09 ACRE PARCEL HAS A TAX VALUE OF $4,000 AND WAS ACQUIRED BY THE CITY AND COUNTY IN 2017 THROUGH TAX FORECLOSURE TAXES, COST INTEREST AND PENALTIES DUE AT THAT TIME OR $2,335 AND 74 CENTS THE COUNTY AND $1,956 A 1 CENT TO THE CITY.

IF THE PROPERTY IS SOLD FOR THE INITIAL BID, IT'S ESTIMATED THAT THE COUNTY WILL RECEIVE $1,472 AND 26 CENTS AND THE CITY WILL RECEIVE $527 74 CENTS FROM THE PROCEEDS.

THE SIDNEY WILL ALSO RECEIVE REIMBURSEMENT FOR THE COST OF ADVERTISING BID.

THE PROPERTY IS IN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION.

MS. BARBARA MADE A PRESENTATION BEFORE THE COMMISSION AT THEIR MAY 11TH MEETING AND THE COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE BOARD INITIATE THE UPSET BID PROCESS.

OH, WAIT TO MISS THOSE SPELLING.

COULD YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD? I KNOW THAT WE SHOULDN'T, IT'S A GENERAL PRACTICE THAT WE DON'T ASK WHAT, YOU KNOW, UH, SOMEONE IS GONNA PUT ON A PARTICULAR PARCEL, BUT SINCE THIS IS IN THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION BOUNDARIES, AND I SEE THAT IT WAS A DISCUSSION OR WHATEVER, WHAT WAS THE PROPOSED PLAN FOR MS. BARBARA, THAT SHE WAS GOING TO USE IT FOR PARKING OR LATER ON BUILD A HOUSE THERE OR JUST, YES, I BELIEVE THEY MAY OWN THE, UH, THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR.

AND SO THEY'RE JUST USING IT FOR PARKING PARKING OR ADDITIONAL YARD SPACE BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF YARD SPACE.

WELL, IF THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION AND DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT AND UNIVERSITY PROVED IT, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.

I WAS JUST WONDERING.

SO IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, MAYOR ABOARD, I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONSIDER ADOPTING A RESOLUTION TO INITIATE DEPTHS AT VA PROCESS FOUR EIGHT OR THREE PAVEY AVENUE SECOND AND SECOND, IS THERE DISCUSSION? SEE NONE LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL OF STONE WITHOUT BINGO.

ALDERMAN, THEY GO,

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OTHER THE WOMAN HARRIS OTTOMAN ASKED HER MAY ARE OUTLAWS ALDERMAN BEST ALDERMAN ITEM.

MOTION CARRIES

[14. Consider Adopting a Resolution Approving a Lease Agreement with Craven County for a Portion of Tax Parcel ID 8- 006- 384 for Use by George Street Senior Center.]

ITEM NUMBER 14.

THANKS ITEMS TO CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE LEASE AGREEMENT WITH CRAVEN COUNTY FOR A PORTION OF TAX PARTIAL ID EIGHT DASH 0 0 6 DASH 3 8 4 FOR USE BY GEORGE STREET SENIOR CENTER.

THE CITY HAS PREVIOUSLY, AT LEAST TO CRAVEN COUNTY HAVE FORCED THEM TO THE PROPERTY.

UM, FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, THE MOST RECENT LEASE WAS APPROVED IN JULY OF 2018 FOR A PERIOD OF TWO YEARS, AT LEAST IT'S NOW EXPIRED AND A NEW 10 YEAR LEASES PROPOSED EFFECTIVE JULY 1ST, 2022 THROUGH JUNE 30TH, 2020 32.

IT RIGHT AT $1 PER YEAR, THE PROPERTY ITSELF HAS A SHELTER THAT'S LOCATED BESIDE THE, UM, THE SENIOR CENTER FOSTER, JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT SAYS THAT WE DID THE LAST LEASE IN 18 FOR TWO YEARS.

AND IT'S CORRECT.

SO WHAT, WOULDN'T IT, THIS OF AN ACTION ON IN 20, SORRY, WOULD JUST, THAT MIGHT BE A TIGHT BATTLE IS CURRENTLY IN PLACE.

I THINK THAT RUNS FOR 2023, SO WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING IT FOR, OKAY.

SO MY NEXT QUESTION IS WHY ARE WE DOING IT 10 YEARS? THEY ACTUALLY REACHED OUT TO US.

THEIR GOAL WAS TO EXTEND THAT LONGER ELISE LAW.

I'M SURE IT WOULDN'T BE, BUT I MEAN, IS THAT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY TO EXTEND THE LEASE FOR A DOLLAR A YEAR FOR 10 YEARS, I'M AT THAT THEY'VE GOT THE, UM, THEY'VE MADE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SENIOR CENTER PROPER, AND THAT LEASE HAS BEEN EXTENDED.

AND THIS IS KIND OF AN OUT PARCEL THAT IS INFO THAT GOES WITH THAT.

SO THEIR THINKING WAS TO KEEP THE CAMPUS INTACT FOR THE SAME PERIOD OF TIME.

SO DO WE OWN THE OTHER BUILDING CONVEYED IT, CONVEYED IT TO THEM? A NUMBER OF BLESS, YOU SAID THERE IS NO MORE CONTRACT ON.

WE SOLD, WE SOLD THEM.

THE ORIGINAL PAPER GAVE IT TO THEM A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO.

YEAH, I THOUGHT SO.

I REMEMBER I REMEMBER THAT HAPPENING.

SO WHY WOULDN'T WE HAVE GIVEN THEM THE PROPERTY THAT'S NEXT TO IT? WE, WELL, WE CARVED OUT WITH THE ZIBO PIECE JUST BECAUSE IT'S CONTIGUOUS TO THE TENNIS COURTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO WE DID, WE WANTED TO KEEP THAT AND NOT SELL IT WITH THE CAMPUS JUST IN CASE WE EVER NEEDED IT.

SO THEY HAVE PRECEDENT WHERE WE GO.

I MEAN, I KNOW YOU'RE KIND OF A STICKLER ABOUT NOT TOO LONG.

AND SO IS THERE ANY PRECEDENT YOU CAN TELL US ABOUT THAT MAKES IT 10 YEARS OR NORMALLY TYPICALLY WE GO THAT LENGTH OF TIME WHEN PEOPLE MAKE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.

AND I DON'T KNOW, THEY HAVE SOME PLANS FOR THIS.

I'M NOT, I'M NOT AWARE THAT THEY HAVE ANY CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS FOR THIS LITTLE OUTBURSTS.

SO THE GROUND IS OURS AND, BUT THE BUILDING IS THERE, THE, THE LITTLE DISEASE, WELL, IT'S, IT'S ALL OURS.

THEY SAY THAT THE AGREEMENTS ON THAT, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST LIKE THE SMALL SHELTER NEXT TO THIS ONE'S 10 YEARS AWAY.

IF HE HAD A TERRIBLE WAY.

THAT WAS, I DON'T RECALL THEM BEING IN QUICK, OUT ON THIS ONE.

THERE'S NOT A QUICK APP.

SO WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THIS MAP, I JUST WILL MAKE SURE MAYBE I'M LOOKING AT THIS WRONG, BUT THERE'S A PARCEL ONE, WHICH IS THE ACTUAL CENTER RIGHT ON THE COUNTY NUNS.

AND THEN PARCEL TWO IS THE OLD BASEBALL FIELD SPRING.

YEAH, THIS IS A LITTLE CLINIC.

THERE'S A LITTLE TRIANGLE.

IT'S CUT OUT OF THAT.

JUST TO BUILD, JUST FILL THESE.

SO IT HAS RATED THEM.

WE'LL USE.

WELL THAT MAKES MORE SENSE BECAUSE WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THIS MAP, IT APPEARS LIKE IT'S THIS WHOLE PARCEL, WHICH IS NOT IT'S THAT LITTLE FRONT SECTION.

YOU CAN SEE IT RIGHT TO THE LEFT OF THAT DOORWAY.

THAT IS THAT THE END.

I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE GAZEBO, THEY HAVE A LITTLE OUT PICNIC AREA.

THERE'S A WORD PICNIC.

BETWEEN THE TENNIS COURTS, BETWEEN THE TENNIS COURTS AND THE SENIOR CENTER ON, ON GEORGE STREET SIDE.

IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE, UM, YOU SAY THE, THE, ACTUALLY THE OLD OUTFIELD FENCE IS STILL THERE.

UM, WHEN, WHEN GEORGE STREET HAD A BASEBALL FIELD THERE, AND OF COURSE THEN IT WAS, IT WAS CONVERTED TO THE SPLASH PAD YEARS LATER.

SO IT'S JUST THAT SMALL AREA TO TELL HIM ABOUT 5,000 SQUARE FEET.

SO SCOTT, IF WE'RE EXTENDING THIS OUT 10 YEARS AND IT'S NOT A HINDRANCE OR TECHNICALLY A BENEFIT TO THE CITY, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS, WHAT'S THE PROCEDURE TO JUST GIVE THEM THIS SLIVER? WE CAN, WE CAN, IF WE WANT IT, IT'S JUST ONE OF THE THINGS YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN IT MIGHT BE MISSION CRITICAL FOR A BASEBALL FIELD OR SOMETHING THAT THE SAME MIGHT NEED.

OF TAX PARCEL ID EIGHT DASH ZERO SIX DASH 3 8 4, WHICH IS JUST THE LITTLE SPACE.

THE SENIOR CENTER WAS A LIABILITY OF TIME.

CAUSE IF THAT BUILDING REQUIRES A GREAT DEAL OF MAINTENANCE, SO THAT ONE MADE A LOT MORE SENSE.

THIS, YOU JUST NEVER KNOW OKAY, HERE WE GO.

UM, MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT A RESOLUTION APPROVING A LEASE AGREEMENT WITH CRAVEN COUNTY FOR A PORTION

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I WANT THAT IN THE MINUTES WITH THE TIBIA LEFT FOR USE BY GEORGE STREET SENIOR CENTER, JUST TO MAKE SURE MOTION.

AND SECOND, IS THERE DISCUSSION SEEING NONE THE SECOND ROLL CALL AND START WITH ALL OF THEM? ALDERMAN BINGO.

OUT OF WOMEN HARRIS OTTOMAN ASTRONAUTS, MAYOR ON-DEMAND DESK.

[15. Consider Adopting a Resolution Approving a Lease Agreement with State Employees Credit Union for the ATM in the Parking Lot at 302 Craven Street.]

NUMBER 15.

NEXT ITEM IS TO CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE LEASE AGREEMENT WITH STATE EMPLOYEES, CREDIT UNION FOR THE ATM AND THE PARKING LOT AT THREE TRAILING STREET STATE POLICE CREDIT UNION HAS REQUESTED A RENEWAL OF THIS ANNUAL LEASE AGREEMENT, UH, IN THE CITY'S PARKING LOT AT AND PROVIDES A NEEDED SERVICE TO THOSE WHO LIVE AND WORK IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

THE PROPOSED LEASE TERM IS FOR 12 MONTHS, BEGINNING, JULY 1ST, 2022 AT A RATE OF $225 A MONTH.

HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN SINCE THAT'S GONE UP FOREVER? THAT'S I, I BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, I I'VE ASKED ABOUT DOING BIG THE SAB AND GIVE ANYBODY ELSE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT.

UM, I REALLY DON'T THINK THIS SHOULD SAY THAT THIS PROVIDES A NEEDED SERVICE FOR THOSE WHO LIVE AND WORK IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

CAUSE IT'S MORE THAN THAT.

IT PROVIDES FOR TOURISTS AND CITIZENS.

AND ORIGINALLY WHEN IT WAS BUILT, UH, THE BANK WHO IS THE BANK OF SCOTT THAT DOES THIS, IT'S, IT'S NOT FOR CITIZENS IS FOR STATE EMPLOYEES, STATE EMPLOYEES, CREDIT UNION.

UM, THEY AGREED NOT TO CHARGE FEES.

SO IT WAS A BENEFIT AND A BONUS TO BE ABLE TO GO THERE.

BUT NOW THEY DO CHARGE FEES AND 2 25, WE GET MORE FROM RENT PARKING SPACES IN THERE THAT WE WOULD GET FROM THIS.

AND THIS IS OKAY, I'M GLAD WE HAVE AN ATM, BUT NOW EVERYBODY'S GOT AN ATM ALL THE BANKS AND WHAT HAVE YOU, WHERE YEARS AGO THEY DIDN'T, I'M OKAY WITH THIS.

BUT I REALLY THINK WE SHOULD FIND A PROCESS OF BIDDING IT OUT OR ALLOWING OTHERS TO POTENTIALLY GET IN THE GAME IF THEY WANT TO.

AND MAYBE WE COULD GET MORE RENT.

I AGREE.

I MEAN, IT'S JUST FOR DISCUSSION ON THAT.

THE BOARD FEELS ABOUT THAT.

I MEAN, I, AT THIS POINT WE NEED TO APPROVE THIS, BUT I FEEL GIVEN DIRECTION.

IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT THE NEXT BOARD NEEDS TO HANDLE BECAUSE I MEAN, IF THE ORIGINAL DECISION WAS NOT TO CHARGE FEES AND THEN THEY'D STILL BEEN CONSISTENT WITH THE 2 25, YOU KNOW, INFLATION, WE NEED TO INCREASE.

I REMEMBER 16 NEXT ITEM IS TO CONSIDER A RESOLUTION ACCEPTED AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN EARMARK FUNDS FROM THE NORTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY HEAVILY ANNOUNCED SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, THE CITY OF WAS APPROPRIATED $230,000 IN ERP FUNDING.

WE'RE AN INCREASE IN PARKING RATES THIS YEAR FOR OUR PEOPLE.

SCOTT, IF WE DON'T RENEW THIS AS IT JUST MONTH TO MONTH, IT WOULDN'T BE YES, SIR.

ANY OTHER AREAS THAT WE HAVE THIS LEASED OUT LIKE THIS? DO YOU KNOW, THIS WILL BE THE ONLY DAY TM LEASE IT ON THE WEB.

WE HAVE ONE AT FORT TOTTEN, BUT THAT'S COVERED BY A CONTRACT.

CAUSE THE BANK GAVE US THAT SITE YEARS AGO.

AND WE HAD TO AGREE TO HAVE AGREED TO ALLOW THEM TO KEEP AN ATM THERE.

WELL THAT BASED ON WHAT, UM, ULTIMATE HOLDING SAID, I, I WOULD SAY NO TO THE LEAST AND LET IT GO MONTH TO MONTH AND THEN REEVALUATE.

I MEAN TABLE IT AND EXPLORE OPTIONS.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE ITEM NUMBER 15 UNTIL THE FIRST MEETING IN SEPTEMBER MOTION.

AND SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR MOTION, SAY, AYE, I'LL PUT THE SAME MOTION CARRIES.

[16. Consider Adopting a Resolution Accepting American Rescue Plan Earmark Funds from NC Department of Environmental Quality.]

UH, FUNDING WILL BE USED FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE NORTHWEST INTERCEPT FOR REHABILITATION PHASE TWO PROJECT TO FORMALLY ACCEPT THE GRANT.

THE CITY MUST ADOPT A RESOLUTION, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A FUNDING OFFER AND ACCEPTANCE FORM AND MAY I HAD TO MAKE A MOTION IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION THAT WE ADOPTED RESOLUTION ACCEPTED AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN, ARAMARK FUNDS FOR NORTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY.

SECOND MOTION.

AND SECOND, IS THERE DISCUSSION ALDERMAN ITEM? YES.

OTTOMAN ASKED HER OUT A WOMAN HARRIS.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, NOT SURE UNDERSTAND HOW WE GOT THERE BECAUSE THAT PROJECT WAS NOT $2 MILLION OVER BUDGET.

MOTION CARRIES

[17. Consider Adopting the Final Budget Ordinance Amendment for Fiscal Year 2021- 2022.]

ON NUMBER 17.

NEXT ITEM IS CONSIDERED FINAL BUDGET ORDINANCE AMENDMENT FOR F Y 2122.

AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO ASK MISS TO MAKE HER PRESENTATION

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APPROPRIATION.

UM, THE COVERS SOME SALARIES ADJUSTMENTS DUE TO OVERCROWDING.

WE HAD SOME CONTRACTED SERVICES, UM, WHERE WE HAD, UH, UNDER HUMBER.

UM, THOSE AREAS.

UM, THERE WAS ALSO, UM, UM, UH, BUT IN THE END WE ALSO HAD, UM, IS A DIRECT RESULT, UM, WITHOUT THE AUDIT FOR 261,500 UM, SO THE RESULTS OF THOSE, WE ALSO WERE CONCERNED.

IT ALSO ADDS THE REVENUE DECREASES INCREASES.

AND THEN THAT IS ABOUT 2 MILLION FROM THE SLIGHT ADJUSTMENT WITHIN THE, UM, UH, UM, THE SPLIT ADJUSTMENT IN SOLID WASTE.

THAT WAS THE GFL FAIRMONT.

AND THEN REDEVELOPMENT TIMES YEAH.

LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.

YOU GO BACK TO THE ROADWAY PHONE AGAIN.

HOW MUCH WAS THAT? WAS THAT 2.8 MILLION? THE ROADWAYS, UM, THAT WAS OF 2 MILLION, $420,000, 800.

AND THAT WAS IN 2018.

SO, UM, THAT WAS, UH, PREVIOUS, THEY HAD A DEFICIT, IF YOU RECALL.

AND, UM, OUR FISCAL YEAR , THERE WAS SEVERAL, UM, PRIVATE FUNDS THAT HAD THAT.

UM, WHEN WE DID THE RESEARCH ON NAV ONE, WHAT WE FOUND WAS PRESENTED, UM, THROUGH THE AND WE DID THAT GO OUT OR DEBT.

SO IT WAS NOT FUNDED TO HELP US NOT .

UM, SO AT T ONE, THIS ROADWAY PROJECT, WHY WAS IT THE MONEY AND ENCUMBERED WHEN THE PROJECT WAS LED? I WITH THE MONEY, I MEAN, WELL, IT WAS, THE EXPENDITURES WERE MORE THAN WHAT THE REVENUES WERE.

SO WE JUST DID NOT SEE ADDITIONAL FUNDING AS PRESENTED IN THE PRIOR YEARS TO FUND THEIR PROJECTS.

SO THEY HAVE THAT, THAT JUST, UM, REALLY A DIRECT RESULT OF LACK OF OVERSIGHT AND UM, ALL OF YOUR PREVIOUS YEARS.

BUT IF YOU RECALL, UH, OUR RESPONSE TO THE LGC WAS WE MET UP.

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SO DID WE JUST FAIL TO GO OUT AND FINANCE THE PROJECT AFTER PROJECT WAS COMPLETED? SO THIS ACTION IS TAKING THE FUNDS OUT OF FUND BALANCE.

CORRECT.

SO WHY WOULD WE GO OUT FOR DEBT SERVICE ON IT? NOW I KNOW YOU'RE A FINANCE PERSON.

YOU'RE GOING TO SAY BECAUSE YOU HAVE CASH TO PAY FOR IT.

NOW I GET THAT.

THAT'S WHAT YOU ALL SAY.

WHO'S EVER SAT IN A CHAIR.

I GET IT.

BUT I MEAN, IF WE HAD INTENDED ON FINANCING, I'M NOT SURE WHY WE WOULD JUST PAY FOR IT NOW.

UM, AGAIN, OUR BOOKS BALANCED PROPERLY.

CAN YOU FIND THAT THE BIGGEST CONCERN IS WE NEED TO BALANCE THE BOOKS.

IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT ENACT GO OUT OR SEEK THAT AFTER WE DO THIS TRANSFER, I'M GOING TO DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THAT, BUT THIS IS, UM, WE, WE HAVE, WE DO HAVE THE FUNDS AVAILABLE AND WE ALSO HAVE, UH, IN THE NEAR FUTURE AS WELL.

THE THINGS OF, UM, DO YOU KNOW ROUGHLY WHAT $2 MILLION PERCENTAGE-WISE DOES TO OUR FUND BALANCE? DOES IT BRING IT FROM 45 TO 40 OR, UM, SO WHEN WE, THIS IS BUDGET, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT GOING INTO DEBT TRANSFER, THAT IS MORE OR LESS, UM, THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE WITH WHAT WE HAVE NOT SPENT.

UM, I CAN'T RIGHT NOW WE HAVE, UM, WE HAVE IT SAYS ON THE BOOKS THAT WILL NOT NECESSARILY, UM, UH, THE END OF THE YEAR, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS.

SO I DON'T THINK THE ACTUAL TRANSFER WILL BE THAT MUCH.

UM, BUT I CANNOT NOT WHAT'S THAT BUDGETED.

I UNDERSTAND MY, MY CONCERN IS WE'RE WE'RE GETTING INTO HURRICANE SEASON AND I KNOW HURRICANE FLORENCE WAS THE WORST STORM WE'VE EVER HAD, BUT AS HEALTHY AS OUR FUND BALANCE WAS WHEN HURRICANE FLORENCE HIT, WE GOT BELOW THE THRESHOLD THAT LGC REQUIRES.

SO EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE THIS MONEY, I KNOW IT'S EASY TO SAY, LET'S SPEND IT INTEREST RATES, AREN'T GOING DOWN ANYTIME SOON.

SO THIS MOMENT, AND I DO BELIEVE WE BELIEVE OUR PERCENTAGE IS ABOUT 50%, JUST SO WE'LL HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT'S.

UM, WHAT'S COMING INTO US FROM PHENOL.

WHAT, WHAT, UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE BALANCE THAT OF CLOSE OUTS AND HOW MUCH ONCE WE DID THE CLOSE OUTS, WE SHOULD BE RECEIVING FROM THEMA.

SO RIGHT NOW I CAN SPEAK FOR OUR, UM, , OUR FLORENCE PROJECT WAS A 5.7 AND THEN NEGATIVE FUND BALANCE.

UM, WE ARE PROJECTING AS IT TODAY THAT WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE $3 MILLION NEGATIVE LOAN BALANCE VERSUS 5.7.

AND IT'S REALLY DUE TO REQUESTING THE REIMBURSEMENTS TIMELY WITH THEM.

AND, UM, WE HAVE SEVERAL PROJECTS, UM, THAT ARE STILL IN THE PROCESS, UM, IN WHAT IN WE CANNOT NECESSARILY CLOSE THEM OUT.

UM, AND WHAT HAPPENS IS THE STATE WITH BOTH 25% OF THOSE EXPENDITURES, THEY WON'T REALLY GET TO THE FIRST UNIT UNTIL THEY GO THROUGH THE POLLS.

AND SO YOU DON'T HAVE A BRANCH, BUT, UM, WITH ME, BUT, UM, THAT $3 MILLION IS WHERE WE ARE TODAY WITH SOLAR INSISTED THAT 25% AND SOME OF THOSE, UM, CANOPY PROJECTS THAT ARE, SO YOU'RE SAYING, I THINK I FOLLOWED YOU.

YOU'RE SAYING THAT WITH THE CLOSE OUTS THAT ARE READY TO BE SUBMITTED TODAY, THERE'S CLOSE TO $3 MILLION.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME? UM, WITH THE CLOTHES AND SOME OF THOSE THAT WE HAVE, UM, ALRIGHT.

ALREADY SUBMITTED.

SO WE GOT A CAT, ANY PROJECT.

IT WAS IN SEPTEMBER THE SECOND OF 2021

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FOR $1.1 MILLION AND THAT WAS SUBMITTED ALREADY.

SO, UM, I WAS, I FOLLOWED UP TODAY WITH, UH, FEMA ON TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHEN THEY'RE PLANNING ON GIVING US OUR $1.1 MILLION.

I MEAN, IT'S BEEN, IT WAS CLOSED OUT IN SEPTEMBER, SO I TYPICALLY YOU WOULD RECEIVE A CHECK WITHIN 90 DAYS.

UM, SO I HAVE, I HAVE NOT HEARD BACK.

UM, BUT IF I DON'T HEAR BACK TOMORROW, I'LL CALL AGAIN BECAUSE THAT $1.1 MILLION IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE WITH THIS APPROACH IN HURRICANE SEASON.

SO I RECKON THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT WE DO HAVE QUITE A BIT OF MONEY THAT, UM, AND, AND KIM IS, UH, NOT THIS KIM, BUT THE OTHER CAMP IS WORKING ON CLOSING OUT A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS AND SUBMIT THEM.

THE PROBLEM IS, IS JUST GETTING THEM FUNDED BY THE STATE, GETTING THE STATE TO TURN IN THEIR 25%.

AND WE HAVE, UM, I THINK IT'S 800 MEETING THOUSAND HELD UP ON THAT CAT B APPEAL AS WELL.

DID YOU SAY CAT C K, Z.

WHICH IS QUITE A BIT OF MONEY THAT WE NEED TO, THAT'S WHAT WE PAY FOR OUR, UM, ADMINISTRATIVE HELP IN FILLING OUT ALL THIS PAPERWORK AND STUFF.

AND IT'S BASED ON, I THINK IT'S 5% OF THE TOTAL PROJECTS THAT WE NEED TO, THE MORE OF THE CLOSE OUT THIS WE CAN DO, THE MORE CATSI MONEY WE GET AS WELL.

AND THAT'S ABOUT 800,000 THAT TELLS YOU HOW MUCH WORK IT DOES TO YOU TO GET THIS MONEY.

SO, SO, UM, I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, KIM, THANK YOU FOR FINDING THIS AND CLEANING IT UP FOR US.

AND, UM, THIS WAS NO FAULT OF THE CURRENT FINANCE DIRECTOR AND HER STAFF.

UM, AND I APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK THAT YOU GUYS THEN FINDING IT AND GETTING IT CLEANED UP AFTER ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

ALL RIGHT.

WHEN YOU HAVE ANY CHOICE, BUT TO APPROVE IT DOING WELL, YOU KNOW, FOR FUTURE FORECASTING, ARE WE TYPICALLY ON A LOT OF THESE ITEMS, ARE WE PROPERLY, UM, ALLOWING FOR CONTINGENCY FACTORS THAT WE'RE HAVING THESE DENVER RUNS, WHICH ARE MAKING US HAVE TO HAVE A BUDGET AMENDMENTS.

UM, AND, AND I KNOW IT VARIES ACCORDING TO WHAT PROJECT IT IS, BUT ARE WE DO, ARE WE PUTTING ASIDE CONTINGENCY FACTOR? UM, SOME THINGS WILL BE VERY MEMORABLE.

SOME THINGS IT'D BE MORE, I KNOW THEY DON'T, SOME OF THESE PROJECTS WE HAVE KIND OF WHEN, WHEN THE, THE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF EXPENDITURE IS NOT GOING TO BE FOR 18 MONTHS, WE'RE NOT JUST GOING TO THEIR BARN $2 MILLION.

WE'RE KIND OF PLAYING IT TO WHEN WE NEED IT.

AND THEN I ASSUME YOU'RE GOING IN AND BUNDLING THREE OR FOUR PROJECTS AT ONE TIME.

AND THEN GOING FROM LGC FOR REIMBURSEMENT IN A BUNDLED PACKAGE.

IS THAT NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING? YES.

THAT'S WHAT WE'VE WENT TO.

SO I SAY, WHEN YOU GET THAT $3 MILLION IN A BUNDLE, YOU THEN GO BACK IN FRONT OF AN ACCOUNTING PROCEDURE.

YOU ALLOT CERTAIN AMOUNTS OF THAT 3 MILLION TO THESE PROJECTS TO PAY ITSELF BACK.

IS THAT WHAT YOU DO? OKAY.

AND WE BROUGHT DOWN SO W WELL, MY QUESTION IS THIS WAY, IF WE HAD, UM, IF WE HAVE ALL CONTINGENCIES INVOLVED IN SOME OF THESE, THESE PROJECTS HERE, WHERE WOULD WE BE, WHERE WE ARE, BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD DO DIFFERENT IN THE FUTURE, UH, FROM A FORECASTING STANDPOINT OR A CHECKS AND BALANCE OF, OF WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROJECT.

SO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

IT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.

HOW DO YOU HAVE NEGATIVE FUND BALANCES IN THE PROJECT FUND? WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF OUR, UM, IN THE HURRICANE THAT UNLESS YOU MAKE A TRANSFER TO COVER THE HURRICANE FUNDS, UM, THAT WILL STAY IN, BUT WE HAVE HAD THAT FUNNY MORE THAN HER EVEN BUTTONS.

AND IT'S NOT AN JUSTIFIED WITH THE FACT THAT IT IS WITH HURRICANE.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR STRAIGHTENING THIS OUT.

I KNOW FROM A KNOWLEDGE STANDPOINT, IT LOOKED MUCH BETTER.

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MAYOR.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THE FINAL BUDGET ORDINANCE AMENDMENT FOR FISCAL YEAR 21, 22, MOSTLY SECOND.

IS THERE DISCUSSION DEVELOPMENT BANK, HOW TO RUN BENGAL? YES.

OTHER WOMAN HARRIS, ALDERMAN ASTRA, MAYOR ALDERMAN, BEST ARGUMENT ITEM.

IS WHAT I PLAN ON DOING WITH THE MONEY THAT WAS ALLOCATED.

MOTION CARRIES ON

[18. Discussion of ARP Funds and Consider a Motion to Divide Funds Among the Six Wards.]

NUMBER EIGHT.

10.

NEXT ITEM IS DISCUSSION OF ARP SCIENCE AND TO CONSIDER A MOTION TO DIVIDE FUNDS AMONG 600.

SO IF THE MAY 24TH MEETING, THERE WAS CONSIDERABLE DISCUSSION ABOUT POSSIBLY DIVVYING UP THE REMAINDER OF THE FUNDS, UH, THAT WERE LEFT AFTER THE BOARD ALLOCATED TOWARDS STORMWATER PROJECTS AND THE, UM, MCCOTTER HOUSE PROJECT.

UM, THE BOARD DID NOT VOTE ON THAT YET, BUT YOU WANT IT TO SEE WHAT THE BREAKDOWN WAS PER WARD.

SO PM ACTUALLY SENT THAT INFORMATION OUT TO YOU.

AND THAT'S ALSO INCLUDED IN THE, IN THE PACKAGE YOU HAVE TODAY.

SO AT THIS TIME, WE'LL LET KIM GO THROUGH SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS AND ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

SO LAST YEAR, JUST THAT THE MAY 24TH BOARD MEETING, WE LEARNED THE ALLOCATION OF 6.7 SPLIT BETWEEN THE SIX LOTTED $1,117,392 PER REPORT.

WE HAD 2 MILLION, $350,000 THAT WERE ALREADY APPROVED IN ALLOCATED FOR THE PROJECT.

AND IT WAS SPLIT BETWEEN GREATER SPLIT BETWEEN REPORTS OR ONE OR TWO MORE FIVE.

THAT PROJECT WAS $116,667 FOR EACH FOUR.

SO IF WE TAKE A LOOK AT WORK LINE, YOU HAVE, UM, WORK ONE HAS THE MCCARTER HOUSE AT 116,000 6 67, AND THEN HANCOCK STREET COLBERT FOR $500,000.

THAT TOTAL PRODUCT, THE TOTAL PROJECTS, UM, $15,667 WITH A BALANCE OF $500,729 OR TWO HAD THE $116,667 FROM HOUSE RED, ROBIN NEW TREMPER DITCH FOR $230,000.

AND TO BE TRYING TO GROW STABILIZATION FOR $270,000, THOSE ARE PROJECTS 67 WITH A BALANCE OF $500,723 WERE THE THREE HAS NOT YET ALLOCATED ANY PRIVATES OR FOUR AND ALLOCATED A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS RAISE FOR, UM, FOLDER IN HER FOLDER, LEANING ON A $1,017,380, OR BY ALLOCATED FOR A PORTION, 116,000 6 67 FOR THE WIND PATTERN HOUSE, OR 100,000 FOR THE NORMAL SOUTHERN FOLDER.

I HAVE A THOUSAND FOR THE EAST ROWS OVER TOTALLY 1 MILLION, $16,667 WITH THE FEELINGS OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND $745.

WHEREAS IT HAS NOT ALLOCATED ANY PROJECT AT THIS TIME.

WE HAVE A FULL BALANCE OF, UM, SO GOING.

UM, SO IF YOU AGREE WITH WHAT IS PRESENTED IN FRONT OF YOU, WE, I ASKED HIM AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, THIS STUFF, OTHER PROJECTS THAT WERE MORE LIKELY TO, AND PROVIDE DIRECTION TO THE STAFF, UM, TO SEE, ARE YOU SEEING TO CLARIFY THE LAST PART, ONCE WE APPROVE THIS MONEY, REGARDLESS OF WHO'S SITTING ON HIS BOARD, ONCE I ALLOCATE MY MONEY TO THE PROJECT IS GOING TO BE DONE, CORRECT? IT WILL, UNLESS IT'S CHANGED.

AND THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT THAT ALL OF YOU ALLOCATE ALL OF YOUR MONEY.

WELL, WHAT ELSE, WHAT I'M SAYING? SO ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS ALLOCATE IT.

THE BOARD CAN NOT CONTROL WHAT I DO WITH THE $500,000 THAT'S LEFT OVER, CORRECT.

IS LIMITED.

THEY COULD.

AND WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS WE WANT TO CREATE THE PEER PRESSURE TO ALLOCATE IT, ALL OF IT SO THAT THERE'S NOT THERE'S NO, UM, UH, THOUGHTS.

RIGHT? ALL RIGHT.

SO ALL OF MY PHONES MAY BE ALLOCATED.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DISCUSSION, I DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD AND SAY, HEY, THIS

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NO, WELL, MAYBE WE'RE TALKING PAST EACH OTHER.

W WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, A FUTURE BOARD CAN CHANGE WHAT YOU DO UNTIL THE MONEY SPENT.

OH YEAH, NO, I KNOW, I KNOW THAT I'M SAYING THE CURRENT BOARD THAT WE'RE SITTING ON, I DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE NEXT MEETING AND SAY, HEY, I'M DECIDING TO UTILIZE THIS MONEY TO DO THIS.

AS LONG AS I'VE WORKED WITH STAFF, AND IT'S A PROJECT THAT CAN BE DONE LEGALLY WITH THE FUNDS, THE BOARD'S GOT THE, BOARD'S GOT TO APPROVE IT YET.

THE BOARD'S GOT TO APPROVE EVERYONE'S ALLOCATIONS.

SO EACH OF YOU WILL MAKE YOUR ALLOCATIONS AND THEN HOPEFULLY UNANIMOUSLY APPROVE ALL OF THOSE ALLOCATIONS.

SO MAYBE WE'RE TALKING PAST EACH OTHER, WE'RE GOING TO DO ONE MOTION TO ALLOCATE TO SIX DIFFERENT WARDS.

AFTER THAT MOTION IS DONE.

DO I HAVE TO COME BACK AND ASK FOR A MOTION AGAIN, TO SPEND MY MONEY ON THE PROJECT THAT SHE HAD ALLOCATED FOR IT? OH MY GOODNESS.

COME BACK 400 FOR YOUR SIDEWALKS.

THESE ARE CITY FUNDS.

NOT AUTOMATED MONTHS.

NO, I UNDERSTAND.

BUT MY, I MEAN, MOM'S ALREADY ALLOCATED, I MEAN, THE $500,000 THAT I HAD, I WAS ADVISED TO BECAUSE OF BIDDING AND THE PRICE OF INCREASE, I NEED TO LEAVE IT, BUT HOW LONG BEFORE THE PROJECT CAN START SO THAT I'M NOT LOST OUT AT AN ALLOCATED, JUST LIKE WE'RE ALLOCATING, I'LL PUT THIS EXACTLY BECAUSE I'M GOING TO THROW MINE IN THERE TOO.

WELL, YES.

BEFORE WE EVEN GET TO THAT POINT OF VOTING ON THIS, I JUST WANT TO SAY, UM, WE HAVE $350,000 GOING TO THE MCCARTER HOUSE, AND I MUST HAVE A MEMORY LAPSE THAT NIGHT OF BOARD MEETING, BECAUSE THIS IS A REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION IS A CITY COMMISSION.

STANDS ALONE.

BUT IT'S THE CITY COMMISSION.

AND I THINK ALL FIVE OR SIX WARS THAT MONEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN EQUALLY SPLIT BETWEEN ALL SIX AND WORKS TO COVER THAT MCCARTER HOUSE.

UM, WE DID TALK ABOUT THAT.

WE DID, I KNOW WE DID REWARDS BECAUSE WE'RE THE THREE BODIES THAT SIT ON THERE AND THAT AREA IS SPECIFICALLY IN OUR WORLD.

WHERE WAS THIS NORFOLK SOUTHERN COURT ROAD? AND I WAS TOLD BY STAFF THAT IT WAS IN, IT WAS DERBY PARK.

THE CITY PROPERTY, WELL NOW THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, BUT THAT WAS JUST MY TAKE ON THAT.

I JUST THINK, WELL, MOVING FORWARD, IF, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT PERTAINS TO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION AND IT ENCOMPASSES THE WARDS, I THINK OUR WARDS SHOULD EQUALLY, UM, SUBMIT THEIR, THEIR SHARE OR WHATEVER THE PROJECT MAY BE OR WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE.

FUNDING NEEDS TO GO TO THE MCCARTER HOUSE, TO, UM, THAT PROJECT.

AND SECONDLY, UM, AT THE NIGHT THAT WE DISCUSS THIS NORFOLK, UM, THIS, THIS ARP FUNDS, THE NORFOLK SOUTHERN COVERT WAS TOLD, I WAS TOLD THAT WAS DERBY PARK.

SO I'M SITTING HERE THINKING DERBY PARK IS IN WARD FOUR, DAN, I BY CONTACTING THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE CITY AND KIM AS WELL.

AND WE FOUND OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS IN WHAT IS IN WARD FIVE.

NOW, I DON'T WANT TO CONSIDER THAT AS A PART OF MY, OF MY, UH, ALLOCATING MY FUNDS TONIGHT BECAUSE, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE HAVE GO BOUT FOR AS THIS PROJECT'S CONCERNED, IF THIS A DIRE NEED FOR THIS SNOW FOR SUDDEN CURVER, UM, TO GET THE $400,000, HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET IT SOME OTHER, SOME OF THE WAY, BECAUSE WHAT I WANTED TO DO WAS TO ALLOCATE MY 500,000, THAT WOULD BE LEFT TO A PROJECT FUND OR STORM WATER FOR, UH, NORTH HILLS SYDNEY STREET.

THAT'S WHERE I WANT TO S TO START TO DO WITH MY BALANCE OF $500,725.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GONNA DEAL WITH THAT.

UM, FOSTER OR WHOMEVER, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DEAL WITH THIS $400,000 NORFOLK SOUTHERN COVERT $400,000 PROJECT, THE BOARD PREVIOUSLY VOTED TO APPROVE THAT? SO, SCOTT, WHAT IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION? IF THEY WANTED TO CHANGE THAT ORIGINAL ALLOCATION, TWO THOUGHTS, UM, YOU CAN SIMPLY CHANGE IT, UM, OR YOU COULD THINK OF STORM WATER IN TERMS OF THE WARD THAT IT'S SERVING VERSUS WHERE THE SPECIFIC STRUCTURE MIGHT BE LOCATED.

SO YOU MIGHT HAVE A STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT THAT PERFECTLY SERVES A PART OF YOUR WARD, BUT THE CULVER SITS IN SOMEONE ELSE'S WARD.

SO I WOULD THINK OF IT MORE AS WHAT WAR IS BENEFITING FROM THE INFRASTRUCTURE AS TO WHERE IT'S ACTUALLY SITTING FOUR IN FIVE, IF THAT HELPS.

AND IF IT'S HELPING BOTH AND MAYBE A SPLIT THE COST IN SOME FAIR-MINDED WAY.

YEAH, BECAUSE I WAS NOT ASKED THAT QUESTION THE NIGHT OF THE MEETING,

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SO TO MEET DERBY PARK IS WHAT FOUR.

UM, SO HOWEVER, I GUESS, UH, AUGMENTED KENZIE AND, AND, UM, I CAN DISCUSS THIS WELL, HE'S NOT HERE TONIGHT.

THE NEXT MEETING IS IN JULY FOR ME.

I'M NOT GOING TO BE ON THIS BOARD AND I NEED MY FUNDS ALLOCATED.

SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO SEPARATELY, THEN THAT'S FINE.

I RESPECT THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A CONVERSATION.

IS, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT INDIVIDUALS CAN BE APPROVED? YOU KNOW? YES.

MA'AM, YOU CAN PEACH MILLER ALL YOU WANT, AS LONG AS THE BOARD ADOPTS THE MOTION.

SO I RECKON THE FIRST THING WE NEED TO DO IS WE NEEDED TO DECIDE AND MAKE A MOTION THAT IT WOULD BE DIVIDED AMONG PACIFIC SIX WARDS MINUS THE, UM, ALLOCATIONS IT'S ALREADY BEEN REQUESTED.

CORRECT.

WELL, THAT'S THE, WELL, THAT'S THE QUESTION IF YOU WANT TO, BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY CONFUSED.

THIS IS SO CONFUSING.

I THINK WHAT HAD HAPPENED, WE'VE SAID A LOT OF THINGS.

SO WHEN WE ORIGINALLY HAD ARMA FUNDS, WE WERE VERY, I THINK, VERY SPECIFIC AND VERY DEFINITE THAT WE WANTED $2 MILLION TO GO TO STORM WATER.

THAT WAS, WE SAID THAT OFF THE TOP BEFORE WE EVEN TALKED ABOUT DIVIDING MONEY.

SO I GUESS I, THEN THE 350,000 TO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, WE THEN CAME BACK AND SAID, OKAY, LET'S DIVIDE SIX WARDS AND WE'LL TAKE THE 2 MILLION OFF THE TOP.

SO I THOUGHT THE 2 MILLION WAS GOING TO COME OFF THE TOP OF THE SIXTH.

THEN WE WERE GOING TO TAKE THE REMAINING BALANCE, DIVIDE THAT AMONGST THE SIX OF WARDS.

I THINK THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL.

MA'AM AND THEN TAKE AWAY THE, THE THREE OF US DIVIDING UP MCCOTTER HOUSE.

I THINK THAT MIGHT MAKE IT, THIS IS CONFUSING.

IT WAS CONFUSING TO ME.

CAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER TALKING ABOUT, UH, HANCOCK STREET COVERT.

I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT WAS BEING DONE, BUT IT WAS PART OF THE WHOLE STORMWATER THAT WE AGREED TO, TO ME DOES STORM WATER IS GOING TO HELP ALL OUR CITY.

UM, BUT I JUST THINK IT WOULD MAKE IT CLEANER AND EASIER.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE TOOK THAT OFF THE TOP.

WE DID VOTE FOR THAT.

WE DID AGREE TO SPEND TOO MANY DOLLARS FOR STORM WATER AND THEN DIVIDED.

I THINK IT MIGHT MAKE IT CLEAR TO ALL OF US AND EASIER FOR US TO UNDERSTAND.

MAYBE IF MY BALANCE STILL GOING TO BE $500,000, IT'D BE, IT'S GOING TO BE LESS THE WAY THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING IT.

IT MIGHT BE MORE, YOU NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE NUMBER IS WHEN WE START ARGUING ABOUT THAT WAS DISCUSSED.

AND THEN IF THE RECOMMENDED AWARDS AND THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE DECIDED, BUT I THOUGHT THAT WAS AFTER YOU PULLED THE 2 MILLION OUTSIDE, HE SAID, PUT IT ALL TOGETHER, SEPARATED, INDICATE WHO NEEDS WHAT? AND THEN WE SPLIT THE THREE AGAINST THE THREE BOARDS AT THE END OF THE DAY.

WE CAN SIT HERE AND NITPICK ALL THESE DOLLARS.

THE ONLY CONCERN WE HAVE THAT ALDERMAN, UM, BEST BROUGHT UP IS THE ONE BETWEEN WARD FOUR AND WARD FIVE.

THAT'S PERSONALLY WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT.

IF WE WANT TO PUT THAT ASIDE ON THAT WE CAN, BUT I THINK WE'RE KIND OF, UM, THAT SIDETRACK, BECAUSE REALLY TONIGHT THOSE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN APPROVED SO THEY CAN COME BACK AT BOARD NEXT BOARD MEETING AND MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT.

IF I'M CORRECT ME, IF I'M WRONG, WHAT WE'RE REALLY DOING IS APPROVING THE ALLOCATION OF SIX WARDS.

PERFECT.

WELL, IT'S A BIT CIRCULAR BECAUSE WHAT THEY'RE ASKING IS THAT BEFORE OR AFTER THE 2 MILLION THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ALLOCATED.

AND I THINK MY RECOLLECTION WAS IT WAS THE FULL AMOUNT PROVIDED BY SIX, RIGHT? WITH THE RCS DIVIDED BY THREE.

CORRECT? CORRECT.

AND THERE'S PLENTY OF CORRESPONDENCE ON THAT.

ONE NEEDS TO SEE IS EVERYONE NEEDS TO SEE THEIR WARD WITH THE DEBITS OF THE $2 MILLION AS TO WHERE THEY FALL.

I MEAN, I THINK YOU'VE DONE THAT WITH AN EXCEPTION OF FOUR AND FIVE AND HOW MY CURLY OUT.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THE ARP FUNDS THAT ARE LISTED ON THIS BEAUTIFUL CHART TO BE DIVVIED UP BETWEEN THE SIX WARDS.

THAT'S MY MOTION.

SECOND I'M IN THE SECOND DISCUSSION WHERE THE DISCUSSION IS, I THINK THE MOTION SHOULD INCLUDE, UM, REMOVING THE 400,000 UNTIL WE CAN, WE CAN FIGURE THAT OUT.

I MEAN, DO WE NEED TO STATE THAT IN THIS OR DOES IT NO.

CAUSE IT CAN BE THAT YOU CAN COME BACK AND ADJUST IT.

WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS ONCE YOU DIVIDE IT UP, THEN THE TWO ALDERMAN CAN, ONE CAN GIVE 300 MONK AND GIVE 400, THEY CAN OF COURSE RATE AMONG THEMSELVES WITHIN THEIR OWN BUDGETS.

IT WOULD BE EASIER FOR US TO JUST

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CORRECT.

SO THIS IS JUST SETTING UP BUDGETS IN EACH WARD.

UM, I'M A LITTLE BIT, UM, SO SCOTT, WOULD YOUR, THE STATEMENT YOU JUST MADE YOU, YOU'RE SAYING TO ME THAT THE $400,000 WOULD HAVE TO BE DIVIDED BETWEEN ME AND ALL THE LYNN KENZIE, THE COTTON, YOU WOULD DISCUSS THAT PROJECT AND ALLOCATE THAT COST BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU BASED ON THE STORMWATER AREA THAT IS SERVED BY THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.

FOR EXAMPLE, 90% OF THAT IS SERVING OTHER WARD.

WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS I DON'T WANT TO PAY HALF OF THAT WHEN, WHEN ONLY 10% OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE HELPS MY WARD.

SO SEE THAT IS UNCLEAR TO ME BECAUSE ALL THE MCKINSEY MAY NOT AGREE TO THAT.

RIGHT? SO WHEN I WAS JUST ABOUT TO SAY IS, I'M GOING TO AMEND MY EMOTIONS TO SAY LIKE ALDERMAN BINGO SAID THAT WE NEED TO REMOVE THE $400,000 SO THAT THEY CAN DISCUSS, BECAUSE IF TECHNICALLY WE KNOW POLITICS, WE CAN COME BACK AND SAY, OH, WE VOTED IT.

AND THEN SHE DOESN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THAT WE APPROVE THIS FUNDING MINUS THE $400,000 THAT NEEDS TO BE FURTHER DISCUSSED BETWEEN ALDERMAN BEING A ULTIMATE BEST IN KENZIE.

SO WHERE IS IT? $400,000 GO UNTIL WE DECIDED THAT, WHERE HE COME OUT OF FIVE, THEN HE GETTING BACK IN HERS.

I WOULD THINK THAT WE'RE NOT BALANCED, BUT NOW WE'VE GOT AN APPROVED PROJECT OR THE BOARD APPROVED AND NO WAY TO PAY FOR IT.

RIGHT? YES.

UM, THE MOST, THE SECOND, DID YOU AGREE TO THE, NO, NOBODY HAS THE SECOND THING.

WELL, CAUSE I'M A BOOKKEEPER.

YOU CAN'T, THE NUMBERS HAVE TO BALANCE, SO THERE'S NO WAY TO DO THAT.

NOW YOU COULD HAVE REMOVED IT, BUT WE STILL HAVE, WE'D HAVE 400,000 LEFT IN THAT YOU WOULD JUST DECREASE TO 6, 7 0 4 TO 6, 3 0 4, CORRECT OFF THE TOP OF THE, CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION? I DIDN'T, YOU, YOU AMENDED YOUR MOTION AND I HAD THE SECOND ON IT AND I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE STAND WITH THAT.

UM, CAN WE, AS A BOARD AGREE THAT $2 MILLION, SO THIS MONEY SHOULD BE SPENT FOR STORMWATER REGARDLESS OF WHAT, WHERE IT COMES OUT OF.

CAN WE TAKE THE $1,117,392 PER WARD DID PUT ALL THOSE TOGETHER FOR THE 6.7 MILLION.

LET'S GO BACK TO 4.7 MILLION AND DIVIDE THE 4.7 MILLION UP AND LET STAFF RANK IT NON POLITICALLY ON WHICH STORM WATER PROJECTS NEED TO BE DONE AND USE THE $2 MILLION FOR THAT.

CAN WE AGREE TO THAT? WELL, YOU'VE GOT TO THE STORM WATER THERE ANYWAY, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK, YOU ENDED UP 500 FOR HANCOCK, YOU GOT 500 IN WAR TWO, THAT'S A MILLION, YOU GOT A 900 AND THEN A HUNDRED THOUSAND IN WARD FOUR.

SO THERE'S YOUR $2 MILLION AND THEY JUST TOOK THE $2 MILLION.

IS IT 2 BILLION? EXACTLY.

SO 2 MILLION MILLIONS THERE, THEY JUST TOOK IT AND APPLIED IT TO THE DIFFERENT WARDS.

AND AGAIN, I THOUGHT WE SPLIT IT IN HALF NOW.

SO CAN WE AGREE TO THAT? YEAH.

JUST SUBTRACT IT OUT AND THEY'D DIVIDE THE 4.7 BABA BY THE SIX WARDS.

AND THEN YOU HAVE, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE YOUR MONEY, THAT SACRIFICES.

WE'RE PAYING AND I MEAN, I'VE GOT MINE PRETTY MUCH.

I'M, I'M FIGHTING RIGHT NOW FOR THE PROJECT THAT GOT TO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO DO IT.

I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.

I REALLY DO.

I'M TRYING TO FIND A RESOLUTION.

SO MY RESOLUTION IS, UM, WHY CAN'T WE JUST GO AHEAD AND SPLIT 200,000, 200,000 NOW, AND THEN YOU GUYS HAVE TO FIGURE IT OUT.

CAN WE DO THAT? I MEAN, UNFORTUNATELY HE'S NOT HERE, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, OTHER PEOPLE'S PROJECTS ARE GOING TO GET HELD UP BECAUSE DETECTIVE KALDI'S THAT WERE ALREADY APPROVED.

SO DO WE STAFF KNOW HOW MUCH OF THAT? THAT'S MY QUESTION.

KIM, CAN YOU GIVE US SOME IDEA IF WE TOOK THAT TO ME, I STOPPED WITH THE, WITH THE, WHAT, WHAT DID THE ACTUAL, WHAT AMOUNT WOULD BE PER WARD OKAY.

SO IN REGARDS TO THE, TO THE NORFOLK SOUTHERN CULVERT PROJECT, STAFF HAS NOT DONE ANY WORK ON THAT YET.

UH, THEY ARE, THEY HAVE STARTED SOME OF THE DESIGN WORK AND REACHING OUT TO CONSULTANTS, UH,

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FOR THE OTHER PROJECTS.

SO IF, IF THE BOARD DIDN'T WANT TO TABLE THAT PROJECT, UH, WE COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT.

SO, I MEAN, JUST TAKE THE $400,000 IS BEEN SUBTRACTED OUT OF WARD FIVE AND PUT IT BACK IN HER TOTAL AND THEN LETTING THEM MAKE THE DECISION.

I'M GOOD.

I'M GOOD WITH THAT.

JUST GIVE IT BACK TO HER AND THEN SCRATCH AND JUST SCRATCH THAT PROJECT UNTIL BARBARA.

ALL RIGHT.

LET'S JUST SCRATCH THAT AT THE END, WITH THAT IN A POOL, ALL OF MY EMOTIONS.

AND SO HER, HER NUMBER BECOMES 500.

SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND AMEND, AMEND MY EMOTIONS THAT WE GO AHEAD AND ALLOCATE THE FUNDS FOR EACH WARD MINUS SAYING THE 400 THAT'S HERE, BUT PUTTING IT BACK INTO HER ALLOCATION.

SO IT WILL EQUAL 500.

IT EQUALS $600,725 SECOND.

NO, IT WOULD BE A HUNDRED, 500, 400, $500,000.

725 SECOND.

LET'S LET'S HAVE AN AUTOMOTIVE SECOND THAT AMENDMENT, SINCE HE SECOND, THE ORIGINALLY AMENDED MOTION.

AND THE SECOND I LESS YOU WERE SAYING, I'M NOT SURE WHICH, BUT, UM, DISCUSSION COMMENTS, BUT I HAVE A ROLL CALL STARTING WITH THE ELEMENT OF ALDERMAN ITEM.

OUTER MENDEZ.

MAY YOUR OUTLAW OTTOMAN ASKED HER OUT A WOMAN HARRIS ALDERMAN.

CAN WE GIVE THEM A ROUND OF APPLAUSE PLEASE? SO NOW HOW DO WE DO OUR NEXT OUR PROJECTS TO PUT MONEY ON THE BOOKS? HOWEVER YOU WOULD LIKE, HE'D START ONE BY ONE AND WHATEVER YOU GOT, YOU CAN DO.

OH, FOR RIGHT NOW, IF YOU WANT TO START WITH ME, I NEED TO GO AHEAD AND GET THE CROSS WALK AT MIDDLE AND POP MIDDLE AND BROAD STREET.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE IT WORK.

HOLD ON ONE SEC.

SO AS WE'RE GOING DOWN THE LIST, SOME OF THESE PROJECTS, UH, I'VE TALKED TO SOME OF YOU ABOUT THEM IN STAFF HAS NOT BEEN AT SOME OF THE PRICES YET.

SO ON SOME OF THOSE WE'LL COME BACK ON THE NEXT MEETING THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE WE'RE ACCURATE ON THE PRICING ON THE PROJECT.

YOU'RE GETTING READY TO TALK ABOUT $130,000.

I DO YOU SOMETHING BEFORE YOU DO THAT, YOU SET A CROSS WALK.

IS THAT HOW MUCH DO WE HAVE AN IDEA? HOW MUCH A CROSSWALK IS VERSUS A FULL SIGNAL? I STOPPED, LIKE I WAS TOLD IT WAS LIKE $200,000 OR MORE FOR THAT, BUT I CERTAINLY WOULD HAVE THE MONEY TO FUND THAT.

SO IF SOMEBODY ELSE ON THE BOARD WANTING TO HELP FUND THAT INSTEAD OF HAVING A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS CROSSWALK, IF WE COULD PUT A $200,000 SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION, THERE THAT'S THE BEST DECISION.

IN MY OPINION, I, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, THEN WE'VE GOT SOME TRAFFIC ISSUES THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, THEY TOOK IT AWAY.

THEN TRAFFIC ENGINEERS TOOK IT AWAY FOR A REASON.

THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LIGHT AT HANCOCK, A LIGHT AT LITTLE, A LIGHT AT CRAVEN AND THEN A LIGHT AT HIS FRONT.

SO YOU HAVE FOUR TRAFFIC LIGHTS.

I MEAN, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND IT.

AND THAT'S THE HEART THAT INTERSECTION THERE JUST GO AND SIT AT THE CHELSEA ONE NIGHT TO HAVE DINNER, WATCH IT IS TERRIBLE.

I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW PEOPLE SPEAK DOWN THAT ROAD AND DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO PEOPLE TRYING TO CROSS THE STREET.

MAYBE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE PRICING ON EVERYTHING.

WE SHOULD NOT.

WOULD IT BE EASIER FOR YOU? IS THIS A QUESTION, BE EASIER FOR YOU TO STICK WITH THE CURRENT PROCESS AND AT THE NEXT MEETING, YOU WILL HAVE EVERYTHING IN A CHART IN WRITING IT BALANCES ALL OF YOUR SPLITS.

OF COURSE, TRADING CAN BE ACCOMMODATED WITH LIGHTS AND THAT WAY THE MATH ALL ADDS UP AND WE'RE NOT THINKING.

SO I GUESS MAYBE YOU JUST WANT SOME, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE CROSSWALK, MIDDLE AND PAUL AND BRING IT BACK TO BREED THE BEST USE OF MY MONEY.

SHE WOULD LIKE TO DO SIDEWALKS.

WELL, I'M GOING TO MAKE MY MOTION.

I'M MAKING A MOTION.

I KNOW WHERE ALL MY MONEY'S GONE.

NO, BUT CAN I MAKE A MOTION FOR PRICES, BUT I'M GOING TO MAKE MY MOTION THAT THE FUNDS THAT I HAVE AVAILABLE, WE'LL GO TO THAT PROJECT AND ANYTHING LEFTOVER.

IT NEEDS TO GO TO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION.

SO THAT'S $2.

THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET, BUT I WANT ALL MY FUNDS ALLOCATED THAT WAY.

UH, YOU WANT ROLL CALL, ROLL, CALL STARLET STARTING DEVELOPMENT THING.

SO LET'S TRIGGER A LOT OF THEM.

SO YOU CURRENTLY HAVE, UM, $5,725 AND ALLOCATED UP TO $500,000, $500,725 TOWARDS SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS IN THE FINBERG COMMUNITY AND ANYTHING REMAINING.

IF THERE ARE ANY FUNDS REMAIN, YOU WOULD LIKE TO ALLOCATE THOSE TO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, CORRECT MOTION.

AND SECOND, IS THERE DISCUSSION,

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OUT A WOMAN HARRIS ASKED HER MAYOR OUTLAW RUN THE BEST ALDERMAN.

AND I'M JUST GOING TO SIT BACK AND RELAX AND BE HERE TO VOTE.

ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS SIDE? ANYBODY ELSE ON DOING ANY OF THIS? I WANT TO GIVE YOU MY LIST.

I SENT IT TO FOSTER, BUT ALL I'M GOING TO LET IT AND I MET AND DISCUSSED SOME PROJECTS.

WE DON'T HAVE ALL OF OUR MONEY ALLOCATED, UH, BUT I WANT TO TELL YOU THE ONES THAT WE DO.

SO WE WOULD LIKE THE CEMETERY SHELTER INSTALLED AT NEWBURN MEMORIAL CEMETERY.

UM, THERE WERE SOME INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS AT UNION POINT PARK, UH, FOR SOME ELECTRICAL SERVICES AND DRAINAGE THAT DID NOT, I DON'T THINK WHOLLY GOT FUNDED IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.

WE WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT.

AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MAYBE SEE OBVIOUSLY, ELEPHANT ROOMS ARE YOUR POINT PARK.

I THINK EVERYBODY GOT, WELL, MOST EVERYBODY GOT THE MESSAGE THAT WE'RE NOT MOVING FORWARD WITH ANY DEVELOPMENT.

SO JUST TO BE CLEAR WITH THAT, UM, YOU SAID THAT THERE WERE SOME POTENTIAL IMPROVEMENTS TO UNION POINT PARK WITH PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT, SOME OTHER THINGS.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE US A LIST AT OUR NEXT MEETING OF SOME OF THOSE ALLAH CART OPTIONS, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT.

SO WE COULD MAYBE INVEST EVEN MORE IN THAT TO HOPEFULLY GET THE MESSAGE OUT THERE THAT WE'RE NOT DEVELOPING A NEW POINT PARK, UM, FILLING THE GAPS OF SIDEWALKS THAT ARE ALREADY CURRENTLY INSTALLED IN WARD SIX.

SO ONE EXAMPLE WOULD BE, YOU'VE GOT THE NEW HAIR, SEEDER SHOPPING CENTER YOU'VE GOT, UM, ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT YOU HAVE, UM, PRINT ELECT IN BETWEEN THAT THERE'S A GAP.

SO WE WOULD LIKE TO FILL THOSE GAPS AND THE WARD SIX AREA.

UM, BOB, I DIDN'T HEAR BACK FROM YOU.

SO I'M ASSUMING THIS ONE'S OKAY.

BUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD SIGNS THAT WE SEE AT THE ENTRANCE OF MANY NEIGHBORHOODS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, I THINK IT'S LIKE A SANDBLASTED TYPE SIGN.

UM, ANY OF THOSE AWARDS, SIX WE'D LIKE TO SEE THOSE IMPROVED OR REPLACED IF THEY NEED TO BE.

AND UH, OH, ON THAT ONE, JEFF, WASN'T THAT ALREADY SUPPOSED TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE WERE DOING WITH THOSE SIGNS, THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS AND, OR THESE DIFFERENT SIGNS THAT IS ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS AS IT IS, WE HAVE ISSUES WITH SIGNS.

WHAT HE'S LOOKING AT IS, IS THIS ACROSS THE BOARD, INSPECTING THOSE SIGNS WHEN THESE THREE REPLACE REPLACE THEM OR UPDATE THE PAIN.

SO, OKAY.

AND I BELIEVE THAT SHOULD STILL LEAVE US WITH CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE WOULD WORK WITH THE OTHER ALDERMAN TO SEE WHAT WE COULD FIND CITYWIDE.

IS THAT YOUR MOTION? I'M SURE.

SECOND NUMBERS.

WE DON'T HAVE NUMBERS.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT NUMBERS TO THAT, BRINGING THAT BACK BEFORE YOU GET THAT COULD BE A VOICE VOTE SINCE WE'RE JUST GETTING DIRECTION.

THERE WAS DISCUSSION BETWEEN YOU AND KIM AND STAFF IN REGARDS TO WHICH WARD IT NEEDED TO BE ALLOCATED TO.

HE'S JUST GIVING DIRECTIONS.

SHE ALLOCATED.

OH, IF I HAVE MOTION, SAY AYE, MOTION CARRIES.

YES, SIR.

WOW.

I WANT TO ALLOCATE MY $500,725 TO, UH, SET UP A PROJECT FROM THE STORM WATER OR NORTH HILL SEVENTH STREET.

BUT CAN WE DO THAT TO DISCUSS WHAT'S GOING ON WITH $400,000, RIGHT? SO REALLY YOU HAVE TO WAIT TO DO ANYTHING FOR WHEN I HAVE TO WAIT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO, WE MADE THE MOTION, THE MONEY WENT BACK INTO MY APPRENTICE CLUB ON ASTRO.

THE PROJECT WAS ALREADY APPROVED AND THEY STARTED THE PROCESS AND WE DISCUSSED THAT YOU WERE GOING TO GET TO KNOW THAT, BUT WE JUST VOTED $400 BEING SUBTRACTED AND PUT BACK INTO MINE.

I KNOW, BUT YOU MAY HAVE TO SPEND SOME OF THAT.

EXACTLY.

I HAVE TO SPEND SOME OF THAT TOWARDS THE OTHER.

SO THEY'RE SAYING DON'T SPEND ALL OF IT IN THERE.

I THINK WHAT YOU SHOULD DO IS OPEN THE WEB.

EXCUSE ME.

I, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A SUGGESTION THAT, UM, YOU MAKE THE MOTION TO SET UP THE PROJECT FUND FOR THAT VERY PROJECT OR STORM OR THERE, YOU KNOW, WITH ANY FUNDS THAT YOU HAVE REMAINING TO GO IN THERE.

I MEAN, THAT WILL ALL OF THE MONEY TO GO TO STORMWATER BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO SURPASS THIS LITTLE BIT OF MONEY WE SPEAK IN HERE.

UNDERSTOOD.

BUT WHAT IF YOU HAVE TO TAKE OUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND TO GO TOWARDS THAT PROJECT, THAT OTHER 500,000, OKAY.

SEVEN NORTH FOLK SOUTHERN COHORT WAS ALREADY VOTED ON BY THE BOARD.

SO IT WAS ALREADY ALLOCATED TO YOU ON FOR $400,000.

[02:10:01]

SO WE AS A BOARD, AGREED BECAUSE KENZIE IS NOT HERE TO SPEAK FOR HIMSELF, THAT WE'RE GOING TO REMOVE IT AND PUT IT BACK IN YOUR POT, BUT YOU TECHNICALLY CAN'T VOTE.

I MEAN, TECHNICALLY CAN'T MAKE A MOTION TO SPEND THE 400,000 BECAUSE YOU WERE GOING TO SPEAK TO HIM ABOUT HOW, UM, MR. HUGHES, I GIVE DIRECTIONS IF THAT'S WHERE I WANT MY MONEY TO BE SPENT ON THAT PROJECT.

IS THAT ACCEPTABLE SCOTT? YES, MA'AM.

DID WE ACTUALLY VOTE ON THAT TOO, FOR HER TO SPEND THAT MONEY FOR THAT PROJECT? OR WAS IT JUST SOME SUGGESTIONS ON WHERE TO PUT SOME OF THE MONEY OR DON'T YOU TALK TO YOUR HEAD TO CHECK? I'M NOT SURE IF THAT IT WAS A VALUE.

I DON'T THINK WE ALL AGREED TO SPEND THE $2 MILLION ON STORM WATER PROJECTS.

WE ALL AGREED ON THAT.

I THINK WE VOTED OR GAVE DIRECTION ON THAT.

THEN WHEN WE HAD THIS ROBUST DISCUSSION BACK AND FORTH ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO DIVVY THIS MONEY UP.

THAT'S WHEN I MADE THE SUGGESTION THAT WE SPLIT IT UP THE WAY WE DO AND THE PROJECTS AND THAT PARTICULAR AWARD GO TO THAT.

AND I THINK IT PASSED UNANIMOUSLY AND YOU ALL CORRECT ALL OF THEM AND OWN THEM.

AND THE PROBLEM HERE LIES IS THE NIGHT THAT THIS WAS DISCUSSED, I ASKED ABOUT THERAPY'S ROW.

I MEAN, THE NORFOLK SOUTHERN AND I WAS TOLD BY STAFF THAT IT WAS IN DERBY PARK, WHICH WAS CONSISTENT TO ME AS WARD FOUR.

SO YOU'RE RIGHT.

WE DID VOTE ON IT AND THAT'S WHERE THE MISUNDERSTANDING COME IN THAT PART.

BUT I JUST, THAT'S HOW IT STANDS WITH ME.

I JUST GIVE DIRECTION IS I WANT, UM, WHATEVER MONEY IS LEFT TO GO INTO A PROJECT CALLED STORM WATER FOR NORTH HILLS AND SEVENTH STREET.

UM, I CANNOT GIVE YOU A DIRECTION AS TO WHERE I WANT TO SPEND MY FUNDS NOW BECAUSE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND I ARE HAVING SOME DISCUSSION, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT TO DO YET.

THE ONLY THING I KNOW FOR SURE IS, IS THAT I WOULD LIKE, AND I STILL DIDN'T HAVE THE PRICES FOR IT.

I'VE ASKED PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR TO GIVE THEM TO ME TO BUY FOUR OF THESE ELECTRONICS, BIG MINUTE SIGNS THAT WILL BE PLACED IN, UM, THE EVANS MEAL SECTION OF OLD AIRPORT ROAD AND SOME WANT OLD AIRPORT ROAD JUST TO, UH, KEEP, TRY TO KEEP TRAFFIC SLOWED DOWN.

SO I'M KIND OF WAITING ON A PRICE OF THOSE AS WELL.

I BE CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT THINK MR. WAVES AND I WOULD STILL LIKE TO HAVE A PICTURE OF THEM OUT WHEN YOU GET A CHANCE.

POINTLESS TONIGHT, THE FIRST

AND ALSO, I THINK

[19. Appointment(s).]

[02:15:01]

ONE I LIKE TO REAPPOINT TRIP THROUGH THE SECOND, UH, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

[20. Attorney's Report]

THAT'S AN IMPORTANT NIGHTMARE

[21. City Manager's Report.]

CITY MANAGER FOR A FEW ITEMS TO REPORT MAY 1ST ONE, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT, SO APPROXIMATELY A MONTH, BUT SOCIAL MEDIA, THE FREE HOUSE, AND THEN HELPING US BETTER.

THE INTEREST IN THAT FREE HOUSE.

OVER THAT TIME, WE RECEIVED 110 CALLS WE HAD, UH, TO THE HOUSE WE HAD THE MONTH OF JUNE SPECIAL QR CODE THAT WAS ON THE BANNER TWO CLICKS ON THAT.

AND I HAD A MEETING WITH THE YESTERDAY AFTERNOON.

ALL PROPOSALS WERE DUE TO BY 5:00 PM YESTERDAY, WHEN WE MET ABOUT TWO O'CLOCK, THEY HAD ABOUT SIX OR SEVEN PROPOSALS.

THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS NOW OF VETTING ALL OF THOSE ABOUT HOW THEY WOULD RENOVATE THE HOUSE AND THINGS LIKE WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT WITH THAT HOUSE RECEIVED.

THE NEXT ITEM I HAVE IS, UM, 4TH OF JULY CELEBRATION, UH, LAWSON CREEK PARK.

THAT WILL START, WE'LL HAVE A VARIETY OF EMPLOYMENT AND WATCH THE FIREWORKS.

FIREWORKS WILL START AT NINE 15 VM.

SO WE EXPECT GREAT SHOW THAT EVENING.

AND ALSO ONE LET'S NOTE, COLLEEN, IF YOU'LL COME OUT FOR A SECOND, WANT TO SHIFT, SO PARKS AND RECREATION, UH, BASKETBALL COURT TO HENDERSON PARK.

LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING UPGRADES AT THAT PART.

AND A RIBBON CUTTING OUT ON THE SITE.

THE FIRST NEW AMENITY OUT THERE, THE PORTLAND'S REALLY NICE.

THE ADJACENT TO THE

[02:20:01]

[22. New Business.]

UH, TELL THEM ABOUT THE TUESDAY YEAH.

UM, IT IS OUT THERE.

UM, JUST TWO THINGS, FOSTER.

I BELIEVE NOVEMBER THE CITY PARTNER, LIKE THE LEAD AGENCY OR I WORK WITH FEMA.

NO, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STANLEY WHITE.

WE'VE HAD OUR OWN ISSUES.

I'M NOT TRYING TO CAST ON HIM, BUT WHERE ARE WE WITH THAT NOW? OKAY.

SO, UM, WE, WE ARE WORKING WITH URBAN, IN A MEETING WITH HUD ON APRIL 28TH TO DISCUSS THE PROCESS.

THERE WAS A LOT OF CONSIDERATION IT'S FEMA THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.

UM, THE COMMENTS WERE MADE MULTIPLE TIMES OVER THE CURRENT.

I HAVE ALL THE PARTIES INVOLVED WITH, AND IT DOES TELL YOU ONE THING, FEMA WILL TELL YOU THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, FEMA ARE THE ONES THAT, UM, WE HAVE A LAUNDRY LIST OF THINGS THAT OUR CONSULTANT GAVE BACK TO THE HOUSING AUTHORITY.

THERE WAS ALSO AN MOU THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO HAVE TO ENTER INTO WITH SHIPPO AS PART OF THIS PROCESS, UH, SHIPPO, UH, REJECTED THE CURRENT EMO BECAUSE HOUSING AUTHORITY DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH DETAIL WITH THE, SO PAUL WAS INTERESTING.

IT'S ALREADY SPORT.

THE HOUSING AUTHORITY IS WORKING TO COME UP WITH A PLAN TO THE, AND WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO ON THAT DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S A KEY THING THEY'VE GOT TO, THEY'VE GOT TO FIGURE IT OUT CITY.

CAN'T DO IT FOR THEM GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT.

SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, THINGS, UM, HOUSING AUTHORITY, CONSULTANTS, WHAT THEIR OVERALL PLANS ARE GONNA BE THERE, SHIPPO.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT HOW'S THE AUTHORITY IS, IS TRYING TO WORK THROUGH.

SO IT TOOK ME THREE YEARS TO GET WHERE WE ARE NOW.

WE SHOULD WE CAN, IT JUST MY FEARS.

THAT'S GOING TO FURTHER DELAY OUR EXPENSES.

IT'S ALL THERE.

[02:25:36]

THEY'RE WANTING TO KNOW DEMOLISHED BUILDINGS, PLUS THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE INTACT.

SO WHAT WOULD EXPAND IN THE BOARD? DO I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, I'M JUST PULLING AT STRAWS, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, JUST MORE BODIES TO MAYBE BE MORE PROACTIVE FOR THE DIRECTOR.

I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE THINKING HONESTLY, OPENS UP.

NO PROBLEM.

BE IN A PIT BULL ON THE BOARD TO GET SOMETHING DONE, BECAUSE THIS IS RIDICULOUS, MAN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, CAN WE JUST DO IT OURSELVES? THE, I MEAN, THE WAY THAT YOU WOULD DO IT YOURSELF IS, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN THE CONVERSATION AND BEN TALKS WOULD BE, THIS IS NOT ANYTHING THAT I'M COMING UP WITH.

I'M JUST SAYING IN GENERAL, THERE IS THIS OPTION BECAUSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE IS YOU ACTUALLY DISMANTLING THE HOUSING AUTHORITY AND PUTTING IT UNDER THE CITY.

THAT'S, THAT'S A FEASIBLE OPTION, LEGAL OPTION THAT YOU CAN DO.

AM I SAYING TO DO THAT? NO, BUT THAT IS AN OPTION.

AND IF IT IS UNDER US, WE HAVE MORE OF THE ABILITY TO MAKE THINGS HAPPEN THE WAY THAT IT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

BUT I'M JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE AS A LEGAL AM I CORRECT? WE HAVE THAT ABILITY AS A BOARD.

YES MA'AM AND THEN A BOARD CAN COME BACK AND ALSO REDO A HOUSING AUTHORITY WITH THE MAYOR BEING ABLE TO BE ONLY ONE TO A POINT, JUST GIVING OUT THE RULES AND REGULATIONS.

NOT PUTTING ANYTHING OUT THERE.

UM, ATTORNEY DAVIS, THE BOTTOM LINE RIGHT NOW IS THAT WE AS A CITY CAN'T DO ANYTHING BECAUSE IT'S LIFTED UP THE HOOD RIGHT NOW.

CAUSE YOU GOT TO HAVE THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

ON A MUCH, MUCH LIGHTER THAN, UH, I KNOW SHE'S NOT WATCHING THIS, BUT I WANT TO WISH MY WIFE A HAPPY ANNIVERSARY TOMORROW.

WE'LL BE 20 YEARS.

MA'AM OH, YES.

I'M JUST WANTING TO THANK, UM, SOUND RIVERS FOR THAT, UM, TRASH TROUT TRASH PROJECT.

UM, I SEE THAT ONE OF THOSE TRAPS HAVE BEEN, UM, INSTALLED OVER AT THE DUFFIELD CANAL AND I CAN SEE THE TR THE, THE TRASH THAT IS ACTUALLY, UM, COLLECTING.

UM, AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I'M QUITE SURE A LOT OF YOU'RE AWARE THAT PASTOR JOHNSON, ROBERT JOHNSON, UM, HAS LOST HIS BROTHER.

UM, HE PASSED AWAY LAST FRIDAY.

UM, SO MY, UH, HEARTFELT SYMPHONY WENT OUT TO HIM AND HIS FAMILY AND TO ALL THAT KNOW AND LOVE PASTOR JOHNSON.

UM, OH, I HAVE ONE OTHER ITEM.

UM, I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF, IF FOSTER, IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU OR KIM OR OUR GRANT WRITER, UM, IS THERE.

CAUSE WE HAVE, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF STATE, A R A P MONIES GRANT MONIES OUT THERE, AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW IT, WHAT GRANTS HAVE WE AS A CITY APPLIED FOR? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PROVIDE THE BOARD WITH THE LIST OF THE GRANTS? I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW AND CAN, MOST OF THEM CAN DO IT AS WELL.

ON AVERAGE, WE'RE DEALING WITH ABOUT 50 GRANTS AT ANY ONE TIME STAFF IS APPLYING FOR GRANTS ON A REGULAR BASIS.

MATTER OF FACT, I THINK I SIGNED OFF ON TWO GRANTS TODAY.

SO WE WERE VERY BUSY WITH THAT.

ALL DEPARTMENT STAFF WERE LOOKING FOR GRANTS ON A REGULAR BASIS.

WE'RE WORKING WITH MARGARET TO WRITE SOME OF THOSE AS WELL.

SO, WELL I'M SPECIFICALLY SPEAKING OF THE ARP STATE ARP FUNDING THROUGH THE, UH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT WAS IT'S, IT WAS LIKE ONE, UH, $1.9 TRILLION.

I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF GRANTS THAT WE REALLY HELP US.

SO IF YOU COULD PROVIDE THAT LIST, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT PLEASE.

AND THAT'S IT, SIR.

AND I DO WANT TO SAY THAT SOME OF THE ARP FUNDING WE DID NOT QUALIFY FOR BASED ON THE SIZE CITIES.

TONIGHT, SIR.

I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE STAFF.

I SAY EVERY TIME YOU MAKE ME LOOK GOOD, WHATEVER, WHENEVER I HAVE THINGS AND QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ANSWERED, I WANT TO THANK THE STAFF THAT HELPED OUT WITH JUNETEENTH.

ANOTHER BEAUTIFUL FESTIVAL THAT CAME OFF FIREWORKS.

[02:30:01]

APPRECIATE YOU.

UM, BESIDES THE FACT THAT JULY VERSUS MY BIRTHDAY REGISTRATION PERIOD IS OPENED AT THIS TIME UNTIL JULY 1ST, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A RUNOFF.

YOU HAVE YOUR NEXT MAYOR WARD ONE IN WAR TWO.

SO THAT MEANS YOU CAN GET REGISTERED UP UNTIL JULY 1ST AT 5:00 PM.

UM, AND THEN IF YOU NEED TO UPDATE YOUR REGISTRATION OR CHANGE YOUR PARTY, THAT'S ALL BEING PROCESSED.

SAME DAY REGISTRATION IS OFFERED JULY 7TH TO THE 23RD THAT'S EARLY VOTING.

PLEASE COME OUT.

IT COULD BE RAINING, STORMING, HAILING, WHATEVER, GET YOUR VOTE IN EARLY, UM, AND JUST MAKE SURE YOU VOTE.

SO, UM, PROBABLY BACK IN 2011 OR 2012, UH, THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN VOTED AND DID A RESOLUTION TO MAKE HERITAGE PARK, WHICH WAS WHERE OUR ELEVATORS BEING BUILT IN HERITAGE PARK WAS GOING TO CELEBRATE ALL THE FAMILIES OF NORTH CAROLINA, INCLUDING OUR AFRICAN-AMERICAN FAMILIES, ALL ENCOMPASSING.

DAVID FRENCH REALLY IS THE KEEPER OF THE HISTORY.

SO OF COURSE, NOW THAT WE'RE BUILDING A, UH, ELEVATOR THERE, THE SITE NOW THAT LIKE, IT'S GOING TO MOVE TO WHERE THE FENCING IS, THAT LITTLE GREEN SPACE THERE.

SO IT'S AT THE SIZE OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE.

THEY'RE GOING TO SCALE IT DOWN, BUT I JUST NEED DIRECTION OR DIRECTION TO FOSTER.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED ANOTHER RESOLUTION, JUST A CHANGE OF VENUE.

SO CHANGE OF LOCATION, WHAT WAS ALREADY IMPROVED TO GO OVER THERE BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO GET INTO DRAWINGS AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF, IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO AGREE TO THAT.

SO I JUST CURIOUS HOW THE BOARD FELT IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT AND AGREE TO THE CHANGE IN LOCATION, EVERYBODY GOOD? ANYBODY HAVE ANY FEEDBACK? SO FOSTER, WE COULD GIVE YOU DIRECTIONS.

THAT WOULD BE GOOD.

I CAN LET MR. FRENCH KNOW, AND THEY'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND DESIGN THAT WHOLE AREA THERE.

UM, ALSO TOO, WE WILL BE TAKING THE JAMES DAVIS PLAQUE.

JAMES DAVIS WAS THE FIRST PRINTER AND PRINTED THE FIRST MATERIAL IN STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA.

AND THE PLAQUE WAS WHERE THE GRAFT AND READ BUST WAS.

THAT WAS MOVED.

WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING IT IN THE SIDE BED AND GETTING A LITTLE STORY HOARD.

THAT'S GOING TO TELL THE STORY OF JAMES DAVIS AND THE FIRST PRINTING PRESS IN NORTH CAROLINA.

SO THAT'S IN THE WORKS AS WELL.

SO WHERE ARE THOSE ONES COMING FROM? PROBABLY PERSONAL PREFERENCE.

NON-CITY FOLKS WITH RESPECT.

THAT'S OKAY.

I'M GOING TO TAKE THEM OUT OF MY I THINK WE'RE GOING TO DO SOME PRIVATE FUNDRAISING AND GET THAT.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

ANY OTHER NEW BUSINESS AT THIS TIME? DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION? WE NEED TO CLOSE SESSION.

NO, SIR.