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GOT A SCREEN.[1. Opening of Meeting with Roll Call]
HOUR, I CALL THE COMMISSION TO US GETTING STARTED HERE.UH, CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL? YES, MA'AM.
UM, LET'S START WITH JIM JAMES BISBEE HERE AND THAT STONE JIM MORRISON HERE TRIP YOU'RE HERE.
RUTH COX, ROSA, TIM THOMPSON HERE, CANDACE SULLIVAN, TONY BRYANT, AND, UH, ONE REMAINING PERSON WHO HAS BEEN APPOINTED, BUT NOT YET SWORN IN, UM, IS MOLLY BALES.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT COUNTS AS ABSENT WE'RE EXCUSED OR OTHERWISE, OTHERWISE WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE THAT ONE.
WE HAVE A QUORUM AND WHILE WE'RE ON WHO'S HERE, WE HAVE TWO NEW MEMBERS.
WE HAVE JIM HERE WHO WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING HAS BEEN HERE BEFORE, AND WE HAVE OUR DEAR PERSON HERE WHO WAS HERE LAST WEEK.
SO, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE THESE TWO NEW MEMBERS.
AND THEN, UH, IS THERE SOME DATE INSIDE WHEN MOLLY'S GONNA GET HERSELF SWORN IN AND TALK TO YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT YET.
[2. Approval of Minutes of Previous Meeting(s)]
A MOTION TO DISPENSE WITH THE READING OF THE MINUTES? SO MOVING, HE HAVE EMOTION DOWN THERE.DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? I HAVE A SECOND OVER HERE.
ALL OF THOSE, UH, WERE NAMES HERE.
[3. Adjustments to the Agenda]
THEN GO TO ADJUSTMENTS TO THE AGENDA.IF WE HAVE ANY, WE HAD TWO APPLICATIONS TONIGHT.
WE HAVE, UH, THREE 17 EAST FRONT STREET.
ARE YOU HEAR THAT'S YOU? AND THEN WE HAVE 2 21 SOUTH FRONT STREET HERE AND THAT YOU, YES.
AND YOU'RE HERE FOR WHAT NOW? OH YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS, UH, TONIGHT.
SO CAN WE, UM, HAVE THE, UH, ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK YOU ALL, WE'LL GET YOU ALL, UH, GOING WITH THAT IN A MOMENT.
[4.A. Hearings: Introduction, Swearing-In, Summary of Process - Introduction of Hearings and Rules of Procedure - Swearing-In of Speakers - Summary of the Hearing Process]
ABOUT THE HEARINGS HERE.THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION IS A PUBLIC COMMISSION APPOINTED BY THE CITY OF NEWBORNS BOARD OF ALL THE ONE.
IT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PRESERVING AND SAFEGUARDING, NEW BURNS, LOCALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICTS, DOWNTOWN AND RIVERSIDE BASED ON US DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, STATE STATUTES, CITY ORDINANCES, AND NEW BURNS HISTORIC GUIDELINES.
TWO OF THE MAJOR TASKS OF THE HPC INCLUDE APPROVING APPLICATIONS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND PREVENTING DEMOLITION OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES DUE TO NEGLECT THE HPC HALLS, A QUASAR JUDICIAL HEARING ON AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION HERE SWORN TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT BY PARTIES WHO RECEIVE NOTICE OF THE HEARING AND BY OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT EVIDENCE AND ARE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THE APPLICATION.
THE COMMISSION CANNOT CONSIDER COMMENTS BASED ON PERSONAL LIKES OR DISLIKES.
HEARSAY ARE PERSONAL OPINIONS THAT CAN NOT BE DIRECTLY RELATED TO SPECIFIC HISTORIC GUIDELINES.
LIKEWISE, COMMISSIONER SHALL REFRAIN FROM STATING PERSONAL OPINION, PERSONAL LIKES OR DISLIKES OR HEARSAY DURING A HEARING THE COMMISSION'S DECISION ON AN APPLICATION IS BASED SOLELY ON TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PRESENTED AT A HEARING THAT DIRECTLY RELATES TO THIS STORK GUIDELINES.
SO THOSE OF YOU WHO WISH TO SPEAK TONIGHT, IF YOU WILL PLEASE GO AND GET SWORN IN
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SO HERE'S HOW WE WILL PROCEED.THE HP ADMINISTRATOR WILL PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT, OR THE REPRESENTATIVE PRESENT THE APPLICATION PROPONENTS AND OPPONENTS WHO RECEIVE NOTICE OF THE HEARING CAN PRESENT EVIDENCE.
REBUTTAL IS ALLOWED BY THE APPLICANT AND BOB, THE PROPONENTS AND OPPONENTS WHO RECEIVED NOTICE OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT INFORMATION AND WILL BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED, CAN PRESENT EVIDENCE.
THE HPC ADMINISTRATOR PRESENTS THE STAFF'S FINDINGS AND THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS, THE APPLICANT, OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE, UH, HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE ANY FINAL COMMENTS THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE COMMISSIONERS, DISCUSS THE EVIDENCE AND MAY ASK FOR CLARIFICATION FROM THE APPLICANT OR THE PRESENTERS, THE CHAIRMAN CALLS FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE OR DENY THE APPLICATION, WHICH STATED FINDING A FAT.
THE MOTION IS DISCUSSION BY THE COMMISSION.
THE CHAIRMAN CALLS FOR A VOTE ON THE MOTION BY THE COMMISSION.
IT CAN BE APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS.
IT CAN BE CONTINUED OR IT CAN BE DENIED.
[4.B. 317 E. Front St. – to include new rollup storm screen doors in the Primary AVC.]
TO THE FIRST APPLICATION THAT WE HAVE, WHICH IS, UH, EAST FRONT STREET, THREE 17 EAST FRONT STREET.UH, HERE WE HAVE THE, UH, FIRST, UH, APPLICATION FOR THREE 17 EAST FRONT STREET, UM, CAN SEE IT'S FULLY, UH, OOPS.
FULLY FILLED OUT AND NOW OKAY.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM? UH, THAT WAS THE FIRST PAGE.
THE SECOND PAGE IS PHOTOGRAPH, UH, OF THE SECOND PAGE.
IT'S BEEN SIGNED AND DATED AND THEN W ZOOMED BACK TO MORE REASONABLE.
AND HERE WE HAVE THE, UM, UH, PHOTOS OF THE FRONT FACADE OF THE BUILDING.
AND THE APPLICATION IS TO ADD A ROLLING STORM SHUTTERS TO THE FRONT OF, UH, THE MIDDLE UNIT HERE, UH, JUST AT THE, UM, THE BOTTOM FRONT DOOR AND THE, UH, DOUBLE DOORS THAT ARE ON, UH, BALCONY, THE TWO BALCONIES THAT ARE THERE IN THE CENTER UNIT.
AND SO THIS IS A CLOSEUP VIEW OF THE EXISTING, UH, FRONT DOOR.
AND THEN ON THE RIGHT IS A CLOSEUP VIEW OF THE TOP, UM, HEADER ACROSS THE TOP DOORS, SORRY, THE HEADER ACROSS THE, UM, UPPER THIRD FLOOR DOORS SHOWING THE KEYSTONE.
AND THIS IS A DETAIL FROM THERE.
UM, SHOWING ESSENTIALLY, UH, WHAT IS GOING TO BE RELEVANT IS THE DETAIL ON THE SIDE OF THE BLACK AREA, UM, AND THE, UM, MATERIALS AND THE SIZES OF THE RECESS HERE.
AND THEN THE NEXT ONE, UH, JUST SHOWS THE DAMAGE THAT WAS DONE DURING FLORENCE, UH, DEPICTING THE RIVER, LAPPING UP AGAINST THE, UM, THE WALL OUT FRONT COVERING ENTIRELY S UH, EAST PRINCE STREET AND BLOWING IN THEIR FRONT DOOR, UH, TO DEMONSTRATE THE POWER AND THE REASONING FOR NEEDING THE ROLL UP DOORS.
SO THESE ARE EXAMPLES OF SIMILAR ROLL-UP SCREENS, UM, ON THE, ON THE LEFT PHOTO, IT'S HERE ON THE LEFT.
YOU CAN SEE THEM OVER THE WINDOWS.
THEY'RE ALSO OVER THE SLIDING GLASS DOORS, BUT THERE AREN'T THE SAME.
THE SHADOWS, UH, ALSO DID AN ENLARGEMENT ON THE RIGHT OF THOSE WINDOWS.
AND YOU CAN SEE IT'S ESSENTIALLY A METAL BOX AT
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THE TOP OF THE DOOR WINDOWS HERE.OH, AND THERE'S ALSO IN THAT, UM, IN THAT OVERALL, UH, EXAMPLE ON THE LEFT, THE SLIDING DOORS ALSO HAVE, UM, THE SIMILAR SCREEN, UH, UH, DEVICE OVER THE DOORWAY, WHICH YOU CAN SEE NOW IN THAT, ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE, THE NEXT ONE, UH, SHOWS, UH, SCREENS CLOSED, UM, OVER A SET OF WINDOWS, UH, ON THIS OTHER STRUCTURE HERE TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE WHEN THEY'RE CLOSED AND HOW YOU CAN SEE HOW THEY NEED TO HAVE, UH, RAILS ON THE SIDE IN ORDER TO KEEP THE, UH, THE SHUTTERS CLOSED AND TIGHT.
UM, AND, UH, IN THIS CASE, UH, THAT YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT FROM THE SIDE ON THE LEFT OR RIGHT ONES, WHAT THE APPROXIMATE SIZE OF THOSE, UH, OF THAT BOXES FOR THOSE.
AND HERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE, UH, SHOWING, UM, BY, UH, ESSENTIALLY PAINTING IT OUT OR PAINTING IT TO THE SAME COLOR AS THE, UH, EXISTING MATERIALS.
UM, IT IS NOT NECESSARILY SO OBTRUSIVE, THAT WAS ONE MIGHT THINK, UM, AND HERE'S SOME OF THE DETAILS.
SO FROM THE TOP AND FOR THE BOTTOM, UM, AND THEN, UH, THE APPLICANT ALSO PROVIDED SOME EMAILS FROM NEIGHBORS.
UM, MR. SCOTT DAVIS, UH, SAID IT WAS FINE WITH ME AS WELL.
UH, RESPONDING TO THE OTHER NEIGHBOR WHO ALSO SAID, UH, WE THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO SUPPORT YOUR EFFORTS TO PROTECT YOUR HOME.
AND SO THEN WE HAVE, IN ADDITION TO THAT INFORMATION, UM, WE HAVE, UH, THE ZONING AND INSPECTIONS REVIEW.
SO FOR THREE 17 EAST FRONT STREET, IT'S IN THE C2 DISTRICT.
AND SO IT DOES MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE, AND IT WILL NOT REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.
AND THEN WE HAVE OUR FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS WHEN YOU'RE READY.
UM, THE APPLICANT WAS ASKED TO PROVIDE, UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION FROM THE MANUFACTURER ABOUT THE SIZE AND DIMENSIONS OF THE INDIVIDUAL PIECES.
HOWEVER, THEY, UH, THE, IT IS PROPRIETARY INFORMATION APPARENTLY.
UH, SO I CAN PASS IT AROUND WHEN, WHEN, AND IF YOU'RE READY, YOU CAN CAP, YOU'RE GOING TO PASS IT AROUND.
SO ARE THERE ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST AMONG ANY OF US FOR THIS PROJECT? ARE THERE ANY ISSUES WITH THE APPLICATIONS TO COMPLETE SEEING NONE FOR EITHER ONE OF THOSE? UM, MA'AM UH, DO YOU WISH TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE AT THIS TIME? OKAY.
SO, UH, LOOKING AT THE AUDIENCE, UH, I DON'T SEE ANY OPPONENTS ARE PROPONENTS FOR THIS PROJECT.
I MEAN, THERE'S HARDLY ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE.
THERE'S ONLY THREE OF YOU OUT HERE AND YOU'RE HERE FOR WHICH PROJECT, BUT THE NEXT ONE, RIGHT? SO THERE THERE'S NO PROPONENTS, THERE'S NO OPPONENTS, THERE'S NOBODY WITH RELEVANT EVIDENCE THAT HAS STANDING, AND THERE ARE NO STATE CITY OR GOVERNMENT BODY PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT I SEE.
SO LET US MOVE ON THEN TO STAFF FINDINGS.
SO, UM, 4, 3 17 EAST FRONT STREET, UH, THERE, UH, IS NO HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME BECAUSE IT IS A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
IT IS NOT IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY, AND IT IS NOT IN THE SAND BECK BOOK.
SO THREE 17 EAST FRONT STREET.
THE PROPOSAL IS TO INCLUDE NEW ROLL-UPS STORM SCREEN DOORS IN THE PRIMARY.
ABC STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES ARE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR MODIFICATIONS 3.2 0.1 FOR WINDOWS DOORS AND OPENINGS, 4.2 0.4 FOR METALS, 5.3 0.3 AND 5.3 0.4.
THE STATEMENTS REASONED BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION IN STAFF'S JUDGMENT ARE ONE.
THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN TO THE PROPOSAL IS A MODIFICATION PROJECT AND THE PRIMARY ABC OF A NON-CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE THREE, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS, THE GUIDELINES FOR THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY AND FIVE.
THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COMMISSION APPROVE THIS APPLICATION TO INCLUDE NEW ROLL-UPS STORM SCREEN DOORS IN THE PRIMARY ABC.
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SO MA'AM, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD AT THIS TIME? NO.SO COULD YOU PASS AROUND TO THE COMMISSIONERS? JUST SO THEY HAVE IT, IF THEY'D LIKE TO VIEW IT, THE INFORMATION THAT WE CAN'T SHARE EVERYWHERE EXACTLY THE SAME, UH, DIMENSION OR THIS THE FIRST ONE.
SO IF WE KEEP IT IN ORDER FOR THE FRONT DOOR, CORRECT.
AND YOU SEE THAT AT THE BOTTOM OF THE DRAWING FOR THE SCREEN IS 38 37 AND SOME INCHES.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS SIMPLY 64, 64 INCHES.
WELL AT DESIGN REVIEW, WE HAD A GREAT DISCUSSION ABOUT THE BLOOD TYPE APPARATUSES THAT ARE GOING TO PUT ON THESE DOORS AND WHY, AND THAT SOMEWHAT IS WHILE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, IF THERE'S ANYBODY OTHER THAN THESE DIMENSIONS, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT THEY WANT TO ASK AT THIS TIME, ANYBODY DOWN I'D LIKE TO SEE THEM OKAY, IT'S COMING YOUR WAY.
SO THIS IS THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT WE, THAT WE WANTED TO SEE.
I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION, UM, THE LAND, UH, AND JUST, YOU, YOU MAY BE REMINDED ME OF THIS, UH, YOUR RECOMMENDATION UNDER METALS, FIVE DOT THREE DOT THREE, FIVE TO THREE TO FOUR, UH, WHERE ARE WE SURE.
OF THE MATERIAL? UH, SO TO BUY WASN'T THAT I WAS NOT AT THE TIME THAT I WROTE THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO, UH, THE MATERIAL SHOULD BE LISTED ON THAT SHEET.
UH, BUT IF SOMEONE WANTS TO CHECK THAT FOR ME, UM, OTHERWISE THE APPLICATION SOMETIMES TELLS YOU AS WELL.
I DON'T RECALL SEEING IT IN THE APPLICATION.
BUT KNOWING HOW THESE THINGS ARE PUT TOGETHER, AND IT'S TYPICALLY LIKE A POWER COATED METAL ALUMINUM, THE ALUMINUM.
AND FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, I DO HAVE TO CALL SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THE DOUBLETREE SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION FOR THESE TYPES OF ROLL DOWN, UH, STORM PROTECTION WINDOWS.
UH, UH, I THINK IT WAS ON THE, UH, ADDITION TO THE DOUBLETREE.
I BELIEVE IT MAY HAVE ALSO BEEN THE, UH, FORMER JAIL ALSO HAD SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THE ONE AT THE BOTTOM OF MIDDLE STREET.
BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY EVER PUT THEM UP.
WE TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT THEY WERE PUT THOSE, THOSE UP.
NOW, ALL THOSE DOORS ON THE END ARE COMING DOWN NOW, DAVE, ALL THOSE DOORS, THOSE FRENCH DOORS WINDOWS THAT'S ON THAT UNIX IN, YES.
HAS EVERYONE LOOKED AT THE, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOTTEN ALL THE WAY AROUND YET.
SO, SO WHILE THIS IS GOING AROUND, IT, IT SEEMS STAFF HAS PICKED UP ON GUIDELINE 3.2 0.1.
AND MY ASSESSMENT, WHICH, UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY I'M NOT AWARE OF A HISTORIC PRECEDENT NECESSARILY, UM, OR STORM SHUTTERS, ALTHOUGH I GUESS WE COULD CONSTRUE BLINDS AND SHUTTERS AND THE CONVENTIONAL SEALS AS A PREDECESSOR.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, I WOULD ARGUE THAT, UM, ESSENTIALLY THIS IS IN FILM CONSTRUCTION AT THE TIME IT WAS BUILT.
UM, AND I THINK THE IMPORTANT PART TO MAKE NOTE OF IN THE RECORD, UM, IN MY OPINION, IS THAT A GUIDELINE 3.4 0.3, AS IT RELATES TO THEM, GILBERT INSTRUCTION JUST STATES' USE OF MODERN MATERIALS IS AN ACCEPTABLE, IS ACCEPTABLE AS A MEANS OF CONTINUING THE EVOLUTION OF ARCHITECTURE THREE TIMES IS WHAT, 3.4 0.3.
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THAT INTO THE APPLICATION? WELL, IT AT LEAST MAKE IT PART OF THE RECORD BECAUSE I BELIEVE IF THIS WERE A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE A MUCH DIFFERENT DISCUSSION.SO THAT WAS IN WHAT SUBJECT OR WHAT DEPARTMENT? 3.4 0.3 IN-BUILDING GUIDELINES FOR THE BUILDING CONSTRUCTION.
JIM, DID YOU GET A CHANCE TO LOOK? YEAH, YOU'RE ALL SATISFIED.
SO ANY OTHER DISCUSSION BY ANYONE AT THIS POINT IN TIME? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO, UH, WE'LL WE NEED TO ADD IN, UM, THIS OTHER, UH, GUIDELINE WHOEVER'S GOING TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION PUT IN, UH, UNDER MODIFICATION.
SO NO OTHER DISCUSSION AT THIS TIME THEN, AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THEN WE RE ALSO REMOVE 5.3 0.3 SINCE, UH, WE'VE NOW IDENTIFIED THAT IT'S ONE MATERIAL ALUMINUM AND NOT IRONY STEEL.
SO WE'RE GOING TO ADD THREE FOOT 4.3, AND WE'RE GOING TO DROP 5.3 0.34.
SO ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION WHO MAKE THE MOTION? I CAN DO.
SO I MOVED TO FIND AN APPLICATION FOR THREE 17 EAST FRONT STREET, UH, NOT TO BE INCONGRUOUS WITH NUMEROUS CODE ORDINANCE SECTIONS, 15.411 DASH 15.4 TO NINE, AND NEWBORNS HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES.
AND FINDINGS OF FACT, THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN A TIGHT LEAD DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
SO THE PROPOSAL IS THE MODIFICATION PROJECT AND THE PRIMARY ABC OF A NON-CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE.
THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT AND COMMENT ACCORDINGLY.
THE PROJECT IS NOT IN CONGRUENCE WITH THE GUIDELINES.
AND I GUESS I SKIPPED OVER THE, THE FINDINGS, UM, THE GUIDELINES MODIFICATIONS 3.2 0.1 AND 3.4 0.3 METALS, 3.3 0.3.
WE NEED TO DRAW UP THAT 3.3 0.4.
AND DID YOU WANT TO INCLUDE 4.2 0.4? UH, THE, UH, UNDER MODIFICATIONS? I DID SAY 3.4 0.3.
DID YOU WANT TO INCLUDE 4.2 0.4 FOR WINDOWS? DOORS AND OPENINGS.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND OVER HERE.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION AT THIS TIME? OKAY.
SO LET US THEN VOTE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ISSUE A COA? I HAVE A MOTION OVER HERE.
HERE ARE THESE, UH, SPECS THAT YOU NEED THESE SPECS BACK? I HOPE YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE THEM.
NEVER NEED TO USE THEM AT ALL.
SO YOU'LL BE HEARING FROM MATT THEN.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING SUCH GOOD INFORMATION TO OUR DESIGN REVIEW.
IT MADE THIS NIGHT GO VERY EASY AND VERY SIMPLE.
[4.C. 221 S. Front St. (Harvey Mansion) – design revisions amendment to approved CoA: exhaust hood, flood vents, transformer relocation, planters, barrel vault, east door placement, mechanical room addition, add gate instead of door, garden wall adjustment.]
OUR NEXT PROJECT IS 3 21 SOUTH FRONT STREET.I'LL BE PRESENTING THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO PREVIOUSLY ISSUED CEO.
SO CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO RECRUITS OUR DEAR CO-CHAIR.
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HAVE SET JUSTIFICATION THAT, UH, THAT HE IS THE PRESENTER OF THE APPLICATION.DO WE HAVE A SECOND SECOND OVER THERE? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, OPPOSED HEARING GOD.
WE WILL LET YOU WOULD USE YOURSELF.
IF WE CAN HEAR ABOUT THIS APPLICATION AND THEN WE'LL HEAR FROM OUR PRESENT.
SO, UM, WE'LL START THIS ONE WITH A VIEW OF THE, UH, EXISTING COA FOR THIS PROJECT, UM, WHICH WAS ISSUED BACK IN JANUARY AND, UH, A MONTH AMONG, UH, BESIDES THE FACT THAT IT WAS, UH, ISSUED FOR THE, UH, PROJECT OVERALL TO INCLUDE A ONE-STORY ADDITION IN SITE MODIFICATIONS.
UH, THERE WERE FOUR CONDITIONS THAT WERE ALSO LISTED, UM, AND JUST READ THEM REAL QUICK.
UH, CONSTRUCTION SHOULD NOT BEGIN UNTIL THE PROJECT PROJECT IS COMPLIANT WITH THE CITY'S LAND USE ORDINANCE, AS DETERMINED BY THE CITY'S ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
TWO CONSTRUCTION SHALL NOT BEGIN UNTIL THE PROJECT COMPLIES WITH THE FLOOD ORDINANCE IS DETERMINED BY THE CITY'S INSPECTIONS DEPARTMENT THREE, THE APPLICANT PRESENT A LANDSCAPE DESIGN PLAN TO THE HPC AT A LATER TIME.
AND FOR THE KITCHEN EXHAUST HOODS AND OTHER EXTERNAL MECHANICAL, APPURTENANCES NOT BE INSTALLED UNTIL REVIEWED BY THE HPC AT A LATER TIME.
WE NOW HAVE THE NEXT, UH, FIRST PAGE, UM, PROJECT SUBMISSION, UM, SHOWS A SITE LOCATION IN A VERY SMALL SEGMENT.
SO WE'LL SKIP THAT AND MOVE TO THE LARGER SITE MAP, UH, IS THAT SOUTH FRONT STREET IS AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE ON THE LEFT OF THE SITE MAP ON THE LEFT.
UH, AND YOU SEE, THERE'S ALSO A, UH, FRONT CALLED THE NORTH ELEVATION AND THE BACK CALLED THE SOUTH ELEVATION AND A COUPLE OF DETAILS ON HERE TO NOTE FOR THIS, UH, AMENDMENT TO THE COA IS THAT, UH, THERE'VE BEEN SOME CHANGES IN THE UPPER LEFT OF THE SITE, UH, AS WELL AS IN THE LOWER LEFT OF THE NEW EDITION, I'M CIRCLING IT HERE.
AND THEN ALSO, UH, TO THE LOWER, RIGHT, THIS, A SMALL LITTLE BUMP OUT HERE ON THE BUILDING.
UM, AND, UM, OH, S VERY S YOU CAN'T SEE IT ON THE PLAN HERE, BUT IT CHANGED HERE.
UM, AND THE DOORWAY IN THIS LOCATION, IN THE UPPER RIGHT.
UPPER LEFT, LOWER LEFT, UPPER RIGHT.
UM, SO THESE ARE SOME ELEVATIONS OF THE EXISTING BUILDING, AND NOW THIS IS A CUTAWAY ELEVATION, UH, REMOVING SOME OF THE VERY BACK PART OF THE BUILDING.
SO YOU CAN SEE, UM, WHAT'S HAPPENING CLOSE UP TO THE, UM, ADDITION, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION THAT ON THE RIGHT IS A CUTOUT OF THE I'M GONNA MAKE THIS BIGGER, UM, THE, THE CUT AS IT WERE SLICES, RIGHT THROUGH THE NEW ADDITION THAT IS SUBJECT, UH, ONE OF THE SUBJECTS OF THIS AMENDMENT, SEE, IT SAYS MECHANICAL ONE 16, THEY'VE ADDED A NEW MECHANICAL ROOM IN THAT BUMP OUT THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER, UH, THEN ON THE LEFT, UH, NOW THIS IS LOOKING FROM THE STREET, UH, WITH THE FRONT WALL ON THE LEFT REMOVED.
UH, THERE IS, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE A DOUBLE DOOR IN THE MIDDLE, BUT THERE'S ALSO A DOOR ON THE RIGHT SIDE HERE OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION ON THE LEFT OF THE EXISTING BUILDING.
UH, SO, UM, WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
AND THEN ON THE RIGHT, UM, THERE IS A NEW, UM, UH, BRICK WALL, UH, AND THEN, UH, A NEW PLATFORM BEHIND THAT WITH, UH, SOME BALUSTRADE, UH, RAILING HERE.
AND THAT IS WHERE THE MECHANICAL UNITS ARE GOING TO BE RE GOING TO BE PLACED OR PROPOSED TO BE PLACED, UM, ON THIS SIDE, UM, UH, THIS IS NOW THE LEFT SIDE, UH, OR THE EAST ELEVATION, UM, ESSENTIALLY FACING THE PARKING LOT FOR THE, UM, CONVENTION CENTER.
AND THE CHANGES HERE ARE ON THE LEFT-HAND CORNER.
THIS, UH, THAT BUMP OUT IS SHOWN HERE AS THIS, UH,
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BASICALLY EXTENSION OF THE BUILDING.UH, JUST, IT MATCHES THE OTHER, UH, REST OF THE BUILDING.
UM, AND I THINK THERE WAS A CHANGE TO A LIGHT FIXTURE AND A BRACKET OVER HERE.
UM, AND LET'S SEE, I THINK THAT WAS IT ON.
OH, AND, UH, HERE IS TO NOTE THAT, UM, SOME OF THE, UH, PERTINENT SAYS THE ROOF OF PERTINENT IS, ARE SHOWN HERE AS WELL AS THE HOOD EXHAUST FOR THE KITCHEN.
AND THEN ON THE REMAINING FOURTH SIDE, THE RIGHT SIDE OR WEST ELEVATION, UH, RIGHT FROM THE STREET, UM, WE HAVE, WE SEE THE BRICK WALL AND THAT PLATFORM WITH THE MECHANICAL UNITS HERE ON THE LEFT THERE, THE NEW HOOD EXHAUSTS ON THIS SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
AND THEN ALSO, UH, I THINK I FORGOT TO MENTION ON THE LAST ELEVATION, THERE'S ALSO NOW THE FLOOD VENTS IN THE BOTTOM OF THE FOUNDATION WALL HERE.
AND, UH, ONE MORE PIECE IS, IS THIS MECHANICAL UNIT, WHICH IS SITTING IN A PLANTER, WHICH IS UP ON THE, ESSENTIALLY ON THE DECK OR THE PATIO THAT'S ON THE BACK OF THE PROJECT.
UM, SO LET ME JUST GO UP A SECOND, SO YOU CAN SEE THE VENTS ON THE, ON THE EAST ELEVATION.
UM, OH, I GUESS I FORGOT ONE LAST THING AND WE'LL HAVE TO GO BACK TO THIS ONE.
UH, THE BARREL VAULT, WHICH BEFORE WAS A SEMICIRCLE, IS NOW A FLATTENED BARREL.
UH, SO THAT WAS THE OTHER CHANGE ON THIS ELEVATION.
AND THAT SUMMARIZES IT ON THE ELEVATIONS, BUT NOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE ARE SOME THREE-DIMENSIONAL, UM, WE HAVE SOME DETAILS HERE.
WE NEED THEM OTHER DOCUMENTS, BUT, AND OLD PHOTOGRAPHS, HISTORIC PHOTOGRAPHS, UH, AND SOME OF THE OTHER DETAILS THAT WERE PRESENTED IN THE ORIGINAL.
SO HERE NOW WE HAVE THE, UH, THREE-DIMENSIONAL IMAGES.
SO FIRST ON THE LEFT, UH, SHOWS THE ENTRY WAY TO THE RESTAURANT AND YOU CAN BARELY SEE THE DOORWAY IN THE BACKGROUND HERE.
UM, SO THAT'S NOT A GOOD, UH, HELP.
THAT'S NOT A LOT OF HELP FOR YOU ON THAT.
THEN HERE ON THIS ONE, THIS IS, THIS IMAGE IS VERY HELPFUL WITH THE, UH, UH, DEPICTION OF HOW THAT, UH, UH, MECHANICAL PLATFORM, UM, LOOKS FROM BASICALLY A BIRD'S-EYE VIEW.
AND ALSO YOU CAN SEE THAT IT IS BEHIND AND TUCKED IN BEHIND THE BRICK WALL.
THE BRICK WALL IS A SIX FOOT HIGH BRICK WALL, WHICH THEN STEPS DOWN AS IT APPROACHES AS IT IS IN PLAIN OR PLANE, OR WITH A SKATE HERE, AND THEN CONTINUES AT FOUR FOOT HIGH UNTIL IT MEETS THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY.
UM, LET'S SEE, THE OTHER, UH, I AM IN IS THE TRANSFORMER, I GUESS, WHICH IS NOW BEING MOVED TO THIS LOCATION BEHIND THE PLATFORM ON THE GROUND.
THE REST OF THIS DOES NOT SHOW ANY OTHER NEW CHANGES.
OH, UH, OTHER THAN I'M SORRY, THE THREE NEW TREES OUT FRONT, UH, TO HELP SCREEN, UH, THAT AREA.
AND THIS IS A MORE OF A, UH, HUMAN EYE VIEW AS OPPOSED TO A BIRD, UH, FROM, UH, ALONG THE STREET, UH, LOOKING AT THAT WALL AND DECK AND RAILING AND TREES COMBINATION THERE, WHAT WAS OUR, UH, EXHAUST TO EXHAUST TO IT ON THE WALL? AND THEN WE HAVE AN, THAT WAS, UH, IMAGE USED EARLIER.
THIS IS NOW, UM, AN IMAGE FROM THE REAR AND THE ONLY CHANGE HERE THEN IS THAT MECHANICAL UNIT THAT'S IN THE PLANTER.
UH, IT'S UP ON THE, UP ON THIS PATIO HERE, UH, L AND THE FLATTENED ARCH, SORRY, I'LL SAY THAT AGAIN.
UM, SO I'M GOING TO GO BACK JUST ONE SECOND, BECAUSE WE COULD NOT SEE, UH, THE PLANTER BOX SITU AND THE MECHANICAL UNIT VERY WELL IN THOSE AT LEAST, UH, FROM THOSE ANGLES THAT WERE PRESENTED AND JUST SHOW YOU ON THE PLAN VIEW, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO LET'S SEE THIS, THIS IS THE PLANTER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO, UM, AS I MENTIONED, THIS IS THE, UH, THE PATIO THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT EARLIER FROM THE GROUND, UH, AND
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THIS PLANTER IS THERE AND THAT MECHANICAL UNIT IS RIGHT HERE.I THINK THAT SHOULD DO US, UM, ON THE PLANS.
SO WITH OUR ZONING, UH, AND INSPECTION REVIEWS, AND THAT WILL NOT WORK SO LET ME SEE.
THIS IS IN THE C1 COMMERCIAL WATERFRONT OVERLAY, AND, UH, THE PROPOSED PROJECT WILL REQUIRE A RESOLUTION TO THE PARKING ISSUE.
AND SO IT DOES NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE YET.
UH, THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS OF THE ORIGINAL COA AND CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR SAID THE PROPOSED PROJECT WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, WE'RE READY WITH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO WE'VE HAD ONE CONFLICT OF INTEREST, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHERS FOR THIS TONIGHT.
I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHERS, ANYBODY, ANY ISSUES ON THE APPLICATIONS, COMPLETENESS, ANYONE, YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THAT GUIDE? THERE IS NOBODY IN OUR AUDIENCE EXCEPT FOR THE THREE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO PRESENT THIS.
SO THERE ARE NO PROPONENTS OPPONENTS, THERE'S NO RELEVANT EVIDENCE IS STANDING.
THERE'S NO CITY STATE OR GOVERNMENT BODY SITTING OUT THERE.
SO WE CAN GO THEN TO, UH, SIR, YOUR STAFF FINDINGS AND YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO NOW THIS IS THE, UH, FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR 2 21 SOUTH FRONT STREET, UH, HISTORICALLY KNOWN AS HARVEY MANSION BUILT APPROXIMATELY 1798.
UH, THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY DESCRIPTION FROM 2003, DESCRIBES IT AS A FEDERAL STYLE, THREE STORIES ABOVE RAISED BASEMENT, FIVE BAYS WIDE PAIRED CENTRAL WINDOWS ABOVE ARCHED ENTRANCE, INTERIOR IN CHIMNEYS AND GABLE AND PARAPET ROOF.
UH, THE RELEVANT PARTS FROM SAND BECK, WHICH WAS QUITE LENGTHY, BUT OTHERWISE, UH, SIMPLY INDICATED IT WAS CONVERTED TO APARTMENTS IN THE 1940S.
AND THAT WAS, UH, THE, THE APPLICANT SHOWED PHOTOGRAPHS OF THAT, UH, IN THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION AND IN THE DOCUMENTS IN THIS ONE.
UH, SO THE PROJECT IS FOR 2 21 SOUTH FRONT STREET TO, UH, REGARDING DESIGN REVISIONS AMENDMENT TO THE APPROVED COA EXHAUST HOOD, FLOOD VENTS, TRANSFORMER, RELOCATION, PLANTERS, BARREL VAULT, EAST DOOR PLACEMENT, MECHANICAL ROOM ADDITION, ADDING A GATE INSTEAD OF A DOOR AND GARDEN WALL ADJUSTMENT.
UH, SO STAFF SUBMITS FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES ARE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR UTILITIES, 2.3 0.1 2.3 0.2 AND 2.3 0.6 FOR LANDSCAPING, 2.4 0.3, 2.4 0.4 PER FENCES AND GARDEN WALLS.
2.5 0.1 2.5 0.3, DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1 0.1 FOR MODIFICATIONS, 3.2 0.1 FOR ADDITIONS, 3.3 0.1 FOR FOUNDATIONS, 4.1 0.4 FOR WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION 4.21 4.2 0.2 4.2 0.4 FOR WINDOWS DOORS AND OPENINGS.
4.2 0.4 FOR ROOFS, 4.5 0.6 FOR DECKS AND PATIOS 4.6 0.2 FOR MASONRY 5.1 0.2 FOR WOOD, 5.2 0.2 FOR METALS BY 0.3 0.3 AND 5.3 0.4 FOR PAINT 5.4 0.2 5.4 0.3 AND 5.4 0.4 STATEMENTS.
A REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION AND THE APPLICATION IN STAFF'S JUDGMENT ARE ONE.
THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE DENSE FABRIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN TO THE PROPOSAL IS AN AMENDMENT TO AN APPROVED COA, THREE OF THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES FOR THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY AND FIVE.
THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COMMISSION APPROVE THIS APPLICATION FOR THE DESIGN REVISIONS AMENDMENT TO THE APPROVED COA, EXHAUSTED FLOOD VENTS, TRANSFORMER RELOCATION, PLANTERS, BARREL VAULT, E-STORE POLICEMEN, MECHANICAL ROOM ADDITION, ADD GATE INSTEAD OF DOOR GARDEN, WALL ADJUSTMENT.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD AT THIS TIME? UH, JUST BRIEFLY MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
YOUR I'M A PRINCIPAL WITH MBF ARCHITECTS.
UH, THANK YOU FOR, UH, REVEALING OUR APPLICATION THE NIGHT FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE'RE HERE BECAUSE OF CONDITION
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NUMBER FOUR.UM, WE WERE ASKED TO COME BACK AND SHOW THE LOCATIONS FOR KITCHEN EQUIPMENT AND MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT.
WE'VE INCLUDED THAT INFORMATION, UM, AND IN THE MIDST OF PROSECUTING THAT WORK, UH, ENABLED US TO TACKLE AIR CONDITIONING, UM, WHICH LED US TO THE ADDITION, UH, PIECE ON THE BACK PATIO TO, UH, CONTAIN THAT EQUIPMENT.
AND THEN LASTLY, UH, THE VAST MAJORITY OF REMAINING ITEMS ARE CODE RELATED ITEMS AND REGARD TO ELEVATING, UH, CONDENSING UNITS IN PARTICULAR ABOVE FLOODPLAIN, AS WELL AS THE, A FLOOD VENTS.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN THOSE, AND YOU WERE REQUIRED TO MAKE THAT PLATFORM THAT TALL, RIGHT? AND SO, UH, WE DID HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AT DESIGN REVIEW BECAUSE THIS IS TALLER THAN THAT WE'VE NORMALLY WOULD ACQUIRE OR APPROVE, BUT YOU HAVE NO CHOICE, BUT TO PUT IT AT THIS HEIGHT.
AND SO WE DID DISCUSS, UH, EXTENSIVELY ABOUT THE BUSHES THAT WOULD BE IN THE FRONT OF IT OR SOMETHING TO SCREEN THAT.
AND YOU'LL BE COMING BACK TO US WITH WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH YOUR PLANNINGS ABOUT THAT, UH, THAT, THAT IS CORRECT AS WELL AS THE OTHER TWO ITEMS, WHICH RELATE TO DEPARTMENT.
BUT, BUT, BUT YOU DO SEE THAT ON THE DESIGN THAT THEY HAVE TO, UH, TO KIND OF COVER THAT UP.
BUT WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT TYPES OF RAILING THAT MIGHT GO AROUND THERE AS WELL.
SO I JUST TO MAKE THAT POINT, SO EVERYBODY'S CLEAR, WHY WERE WE, WE ARE BEING FORCED TO ACCEPT THIS SUBSTANCE.
SO ANYBODY ELSE, ANY QUESTIONS TO ASK AT THIS TIME? OKAY.
UH, SO JUST SOMEONE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION.
UM, AND THE FOUR RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU HAD BEFORE THAT WERE ATTACHED TO THE COA, THOSE STILL EXIST.
RIGHT? SO THOSE WOULD HAVE TO BE INCLUDED IN OUR APPROVAL TONIGHT, BUT THOSE ARE STILL EXISTING.
EXCEPT FOR THE FOURTH ONE OF COURSE, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT, UH, COULD YOU SHOW THOSE TO US UP HERE ON YOUR SCREEN AGAIN, KNOW CAUSE THAT'S MAINLY WHY HE CAME BACK, RIGHT.
SO THE FOURTH ONE IS THAT THE KITCHEN EXHAUSTS HEADS AND OTHER EXTERNAL MECHANICAL PERTINENT IS NOT BEING INSTALLED UNTIL REVIEWED BY THE HPC AT A LATER TIME, YOU WILL HAVE NOW REVIEWED IT.
SO FOUR DOES NOT EXIST NOW, BUT ONE, TWO AND THREE EXISTS.
AND I THINK A THREE IS THE LANDSCAPE DESIGN THAT YOU HAVE TO BRING BACK TO US.
IT'S ALSO A MADAM CHAIR, JUST BY WAY OF REMINDER OF THE DESIGN REVIEW MEETING IS NOT A PART OF THIS RECORD FOR THIS APPLICATION IN THE CLOSET, JUDICIAL SENSE.
SO IT MAY BE, UM, PERTINENT OR THIS MIGHT BE THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR YOU ALL TO FLESH OUT THE DESIGN REVIEW CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT WALL.
SO THAT, THAT INFORMATION AND THAT DELIBERATION IS A PART OF THE RECORD FOR TODAY'S HEARING.
YOU TALKING ABOUT, UH, THE WALL WHERE THE PLATFORM IS? YES MA'AM.
SO DO, DO OTHER PEOPLE ON THE COMMISSION HAVE THINGS TO SAY ABOUT THAT WALL AND ABOUT, UH, THE FACT THAT HE HAS TO HAVE, UH, SOME TYPE OF LANDSCAPING TO COVER THE WALL, AS WELL AS, AS THE FENCE AROUND THE PLATFORM WE HAD, WE HAD EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT IN DESIGN REVIEW, AND I BELIEVE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT I, I DO.
AND PERHAPS IF IT'S APPROPRIATE, I COULD HELP US GET STARTED BY REMINDING YOU OUR APPROACH.
UM, PREVIOUSLY THE PREVIOUS USE OF THAT BUILDING HAD ALL THE KITCHEN EQUIPMENT IN THE SAME PLACE THAT WE'VE CONSOLIDATED ALL THE, UH, CONDENSING UNITS FOR THE AIR CONDITIONERS, WHERE WE'VE RAISED THEM UP ABOVE FLOODPLAIN AND OUR THINKING, BEING THAT WE'D RATHER HAVE ALL THAT IN ONE PLACE WHERE WE CAN TREAT IT AS ONE PIECE OR ASPECT OF THE DESIGN, AS OPPOSED TO HAVING INDIVIDUAL, UH, CONDENSING UNITS ON WHAT MIGHT BE IN THE WORD LEAP, TALL PLATFORMS SCATTERED ACROSS THE SITE.
SO BY BRINGING THEM TOGETHER, WE THOUGHT THAT MIGHT BE A BETTER DESIGN SOLUTION.
AND THEN OF COURSE, UH, UH, IN THE COURSE OF OUR WORK, WE HAD TO ADD SOME ADDITIONAL APARTMENTS AS SORT OF THE KITCHEN EQUIPMENT.
AND SO THERE WERE A COUPLE THAT STAFF NOTED DURING THE REVIEW THAT ARE ON THE ROOFTOP AND AS WELL AS ONE SIDEWALL VENTILATOR THAT SHOWS UP ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, BUT WE'VE TRIED TO LOCATE ALL THOSE BEHIND THE, UM, UH, THE CLEAR STORY ENTRANCE THAT IS A LITTLE TALLER.
SO THAT AT LEAST FROM A LOT OF VANTAGE POINTS WERE ESSENTIALLY SCREENING THAT FROM THE, UH, UH, SOUTH FRONT STREET RIGHT AWAY.
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OKAY.SO W WE ALSO HAVE A, UH, A COMBINATION OF A MASONRY GARDEN WALL.
I'LL CALL IT SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO THE ONE WE'VE PROVIDED IN THE BACK AGAIN, TRYING TO HAVE SOME CONSISTENCY IN OUR SITE PLANNING AND, UM, LIMITED THAT TO SUCCEED TYPE BECAUSE IT'S IN A SECONDARY AREA OF VISUAL CONCERN, BUT THEN OF COURSE, THE UNITS ARE SOMEWHAT, UH, PROMINENT PERHAPS DEPENDING ON ONE'S POINT OF VIEW FROM SOUTH FRONT STREET.
SO WE'VE ALSO ADDED A ORNAMENTAL IRON BALLAST STRAIGHT, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAD DONE ON THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, UM, AND THE WORK YOU'VE PREVIOUSLY REVIEWED.
AND THEN FINALLY, WE'VE, UH, INCLUDED THE LANDSCAPING.
I'M, WE'LL CALL THEM UNDERSTORY TYPE TREES TO GIVE YOU SOME SENSE OF SCALE.
UH, SO, SO THAT WE CAN TRY TO BUFFER THAT, UM, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE FROM THE SIDEWALK THAT WOULD BE ADJACENT TO, RIGHT.
AND WE CAN HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AGAIN, WHEN YOU BRING BACK THE LANDSCAPE DESIGN.
SO WE CAN HAVE THAT MA'AM, IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT? THAT US, US GIVE MORE DETAIL TO? ABSOLUTELY THOSE FACTS ARE IMPORTANT AND SO LONG AS YOU ALL FIND THAT THOSE COMPONENTS OF THE DESIGN ARE NOT IN CONGRUENCE WITH THE GUIDELINES AND YOU HAVE, UH, STATEMENTS OF REASON TO SUPPORT THAT FINDINGS OF FACT, UM, THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
SO DOES SOMEONE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION, UH, BEING SURE THAT YOU INCLUDE AND KEEP THE 1, 2, 3, UH, CONDITIONS THAT ARE ALREADY INCLUDED IN THIS APPLICATION? I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
WE FIND THE APPLICATION FOR A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR 2 21 SOUTH FRENCH STREET, B NOT IN CONGRESS WITH NEWBORNS CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTIONS, 15 DASH 41, 11 TO 15 DASH FOUR TWENTY NINE, AND NEWBORNS HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT UTILITIES, 2.3 0.12 AND SIX LANDSCAPING, 2.4 0.3 AND FOUR FENCES IN GARDEN WALLS.
2.5 0.1 AND 2.5 0.3, DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1 0.1 MODIFICATIONS 3.2 0.1 ADDITIONS 3.3 0.1 FOUNDATIONS 4.1 0.4, WALLS, FEMININE ORIENTATION, 4.2 0.12 AND FOUR WINDOWS AND DOORS AND OPENINGS.
4.2 0.4 ROOFS 4.5 0.6 DECKS AND PATIOS 4.6 0.2 MASONARY 5.1 0.2 WOULD 5.2 0.2 METALS 5.3 POINTS THREE AND FOUR PAINT, 5.4 0.2, THREE AND FOUR.
THE FINDINGS OF FACT ARE AS FOLLOWS.
THE PROJECT'S LOADED, LOCATED THE DENSE FABRIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
THE PROPOSAL IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE APPROVED COA.
THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS OF MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES, ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL EVER REVIEWED THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
THE PROJECT'S NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS WOULD BE ADDED TO THIS.
DO YOU WANT ME TO DO THEM BY NUMBERS OR RESTATE THEM? RESTATE, RESTATE THEM.
SO NOT BEGIN UNTIL THE PROJECT IS COMPLIANT WITH THE CITY'S OF LAND USE ORDINANCE, THE CITY'S LAND USE ORDINANCE AS DETERMINED BY THE CITY'S ZONING ADMINISTRATOR CONSTRUCTION SHALL NOT BEGIN UNTIL THE PROJECT APPLIES WITH THE FLOOD ORDINANCE HAS DETERMINED BY THE CITY'S INSPECTIONS DEPARTMENT AND THE APPLICANT PRESENTED A LANDSCAPING DESIGN PLAN TO THE HPC AT A LATER TIME.
DID WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND OF A SECOND OVER HERE? ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
DO I HAVE A MOTION, UH, TO ISSUE A C O A, IS THIS A NICE, NOT A COA? THIS IS AN
YOU DON'T NEED A FURTHER MOTION.
SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR PRESENTING THIS IN GREAT DETAIL AND DESIGN REVIEW, BECAUSE WE HAD LOTS AND LOTS OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU AT DESIGN REVIEWED THAT MADE IT UNDERSTANDABLE MUCH MORE TONIGHT WHEN WE WENT OVER THE PICTURES OF THAT THING.
SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND EFFORT THAT YOU GAVE US A DESIGN REVIEW.
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CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO BRING OUR COLLEAGUE BACK FROM HIS BEING RECUSED? SOME OF YOU MOVE.ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, OPPOSED HEARING NONE.
SO BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THOSE ARE OUR ONLY TWO ITEMS DENIED.
SO LET US GO TO ANY OLD BUSINESS THAT WE HAVE.
IS THERE ANYTHING WE NEED TO BRING UP FOR THERE? NONE.
UH, WE HAVE NO PUBLIC LEFT AT ALL, OUT IN OUR AUDIENCE.
THERE IS NO ONE THERE TONIGHT.
[7.A. Officer Elections]
OKAY.SO OUR NEXT BUSINESS IS, UH, ELECTING THE OFFICERS WE WAITED UNTIL THIS MONTH UNTIL WE HAD OUR, UH, LATE TWO OF OUR NEW PEOPLE HERE.
SO, UH, SO IT'S CHAIR AND VICE-CHAIR THAT WE NEED TO ELECT TONIGHT, CORRECT? RIGHT.
SO, UM, SO DO WE JUST OPEN THIS UP TO, UH, OFFER NAMES FOR THE CHAIR AND, UH, GO FROM THERE.
YOU CAN OPEN THE FLOOR FOR ANYONE TO MAKE A NOMINATION.
SO LET US START WITH THE CHAIR.
SO LET'S WHITE DOWN AND I'LL MAKE A WHISKEY HERE OF WHO DO YOU WANT TO NOMINATE FOR CHAIRS? SO WE NEED THE CHAIR AND THE VICE-CHAIR NOMINATE JIM BSB FOR CHAIR, JIM FOR CHAIR.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? I NOMINATE SHRIMP FOR VICE CHAIR.
OH, WELL, WE'RE NOT VICE CHAIR YET, BUT I GIVE ANY NOMINATIONS FOR CHAIR.
WE'RE GOING TO DO IT ONE AT A TIME.
SO WE HAVE THIS ONE NOMINATION FOR JIM.
SO WE, WE HAVE TO ASK HIM IF HE HAD SEX DENOMINATION.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED HEARING NONE.
DO YOU WANT TO MAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATION NOW? YES, MA'AM.
SO WE'RE GOING TO DO THREE UP FOR VICE CHAIR.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO MAKE ANOTHER NOMINATION? OKAY.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SHOULD SECOND.
ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
SO JIM WILL BE OUR NEW CHAIR AND TRIPP WILL REMAIN AS VICE CHAIR AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
DO WE NEED, DO WE NEED, DO THEY TAKE THEIR SEATS IMMEDIATELY? OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? I THINK HIS MEETING NEXT MEETING, THE NEXT MEETING, I THINK IS WHAT WE'VE USUALLY DONE.
IS IT NOT? YEAH, WE DID THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING.
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A REPORT OTHER THAN YOU'VE MADE RIGHT HERE? UH, UNDER A UNDER MAJORS, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD ON THE MAJORS AND MINORS? UH, NO.UH, WHAT IF THERE'S NO REPORT ON THE COA EXTENSIONS ISSUED? THERE'S NO REPORT THERE? NO.
UH, OTHER ITEMS, UH, THE, UH, THE NEXT DESIGN REVIEW IS GOING TO BE SEPTEMBER THE SEVENTH.
AND, UM, I THINK YOU SENT OUT AN EMAIL, DID YOU NOT WHERE THERE'S GOING TO BE AN AFTERNOON OF THINGS ONLINE THAT WE CAN, UH, REVIEW UPDATES.
AND I THINK THAT WAS EITHER TODAY OR THAT WAS TODAY.
SO, UH, IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW, OKAY.
WAS LAST, LAST MINUTE NOTICE THAT THEY WERE ACTUALLY DOING IT ON? I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS THE DAY I HEARD IT WAS THAT THE MALL BEFORE.
SO NONE OF THAT, UH, THERE'S A S UH, SITE VISIT INSIDE THE ELK BUILDING.
SO THE ITEM NUMBER ONE HAS MORE TO DO WITH, UH, THE LAST MEETING AT THE DESIGN REVIEW MEETING, WE HAD DISCUSSED, UH, HOW THE NEW MEMBER, THE NEW MEMBERS WERE GETTING TRAINING.
AND THERE WAS SOME, UH, INTEREST IN ACTUALLY HAVING THE ENTIRE COMMISSION DO THE TRAINING, UH, AT THE, AT THE NEXT DESIGN REVIEW MEETING.
SO IT'S UP TO YOU IF YOU STILL WANT TO DO THAT.
UM, AND, UM, SO THAT'S WHY THAT'S ON THE AGENDA.
SO WHAT DID Y'ALL THOUGHT ABOUT ALL OF THAT ALWAYS HELPED THAT'S I WAS, THAT WAS, UM, THE WAY I WOULD CONDUCT, NOT MR. PRESERVATION COMMISSION.
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THAT WITH MOST ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATE, BUT THAT YOU DO THE TRAINING WITH EVERYBODY ONCE A YEAR, THEN EVERYBODY SORT OF HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF BE HERE AND, AND SHARE EXPERIENCES.AND SO I FELT LIKE IT WAS A GOOD EXERCISE.
SO WHAT TIME THEN DO WE NEED TO MEET RATHER THAN FIVE? WELL, IT, UM, IT DEPENDS WHAT YOU DECIDE.
UM, SO, UH, PRIOR TO THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR, LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY.
WE HAD BEEN DOING, UM, TRAININGS ON VARIOUS, UM, VARIOUS TOPICS, UH, MORE SPECIALIZED TOPICS, UM, BEFORE THE MEETING, UH, ABOUT AN HOUR BEFORE USING USUALLY SOME KIND OF VIDEO OF SOME SORTS, OFTENTIMES BY SHIPPO OR SOMETIMES BY, UH, OTHER ORGANIZATIONS.
UM, BUT I THINK THE INTENT HERE IS THAT THIS AND THOSE WERE GENERAL.
THOSE WERE ALWAYS OPTIONAL TRAININGS, OBVIOUSLY.
UH, AND, UH, ATTENDANCE WAS HIT AND MISS ON A LOT OF THEM.
SOME OF THEM NOBODY SHOWED UP SOME OF 'EM ONE OR TWO OR THREE PEOPLE SHOWED UP, UH, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE HOUR BEFORE THE MEETING.
UH, THIS, I THINK THE INTENT IS THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE WHOLE, UH, THE WHOLE HPC DOING, UH, YOU KNOW, BENEFITING FROM THIS TRAINING ALL AT ONCE AND THE DISCUSSION THAT, THAT, UM, WOULD HAPPEN, THAT IT MIGHT BEHOOVE YOU TO TRY AND SCHEDULE IT TO BE JUST AN ITEM, AN AGENDA ITEM DURING THE MEETING.
SO HAVE THAT AS PART OF THE DESIGN REVIEW MEETING IS WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING IS NORMAL TIMELINE WHERE YOU'RE SAYING RIGHT.
STARTING AT THE NORMAL TIME, BECAUSE THAT'S THE ADVERTISED TIME YOU'RE GOING TO BE THE INSTRUCTOR, THE LEAD INSTRUCTOR, OR THE FACILITATOR, OR THE PERSON WHO PUSHES THE BUTTON THAT STARTS THE VIDEO, OR, BUT NO, I'M ACTUALLY IMAGINING IT'S MORE LIKE, UH, THE, THE PACKET OF TRAINING, I THINK, UM, TIM AND JIM HAVE RECEIVED THOSE, UM, AND I'M WILLING, I'M WILLING TO, TO PROVIDE THAT TRAINING.
UH, ALL I WONDER IS AT SOME LEVEL, UM, WE'VE GOT ONE COMMISSIONER THAT, UH, IS COMPLETELY NEW TO THIS, UH, THAT IS NOT WITH US TONIGHT.
SHE WILL NEED TO TRAIN, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR EVERYONE TO, YOU KNOW, BE ABLE TO, TO MAKE COMMENTS AND ASK QUESTIONS AND CHIME IN.
SO, I MEAN, I WILL TRY AND FIND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THAT PACKET OF INFORMATION, BUT, UH, YOU'VE ALL RECEIVED THAT WHEN YOU FIRST STARTED, UH, UH, AND IT IS QUITE LARGE.
UH, SO IT MIGHT BE, UH, UH, I'LL TRY AND SEE IF I CAN FIND SOMETHING THAT'S MORE ALONG A VIDEO, UH, REPRESENTING, UH, SAY THE BASICS OF AN HPC, UH, THE, THE LEGAL ISSUES ABOUT WHAT IS A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING.
I MEAN, WE JUST CONDUCTED ONE, UH, APPROPRIATELY, UH, BUT, UH, THERE MAY BE SOME NUANCES THAT WE MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW ABOUT.
SO THE THINGS ABOUT GETTING THINGS IN THE RECORD, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, UH, THE SWEARING IN, AND, UH, LISTENING IN THE FUTURE, WE MAY HAVE COMMENTS AND THE WHOLE, THE RULES ABOUT PEOPLE MAKING COMMENTS, UH, UH, RULES ABOUT STANDING, YOU KNOW, WHO ACTUALLY IS A VALID PERSON TO MAKE A COMMENT, UM, ET CETERA.
SO, UM, UH, THOSE MIGHT BE MY BEST, BE HEARD BY A, UH, UH, SOMEONE THAT, UH, SAY FROM THE SCHOOL OF GOVERNMENT OR FROM THE SHIPPO.
UM, AND, UH, SO I CAN SEE IF I CAN FIND SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY THE BEGINNERS THEN.
SO GIVE US ALL THAT FOUNDATION, UM, UH, TRAINING, UH, INFORMATION TO START WITH, ESPECIALLY TO HELP MOLLY, UM, BEING THE BRAND NEW PERSON, UH, BUT MAYBE ALL THE REST OF US TO GET A REFRESHER ON SOME OF THOSE BASICS THAT POWERPOINT IS VERY GOOD.
I'M SURE CAN MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT.
I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THE OTHER CHINA'S WEREN'T, UH, ATTENDED AS WELL AS YOU PROBABLY HAVE WANTED.
I, I WOULD JUST WORRY ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF STUFF ON DESIGN WITH YOU AND, AND APPLICANTS, YOU KNOW, BEING PUSHED OFF TO LATER IN THE EVENING.
I MEAN, CERTAINLY I PUT LOVE TO MAKE SURE WHAT'D YOU PUT IT AT THE END.
I WOULD SUGGEST DOING THAT AFTER ALL THE APPLICANTS HAVE LEFT, NOT ONE OR ANYONE ELSE FOR THAT AFTER THE PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER EVERYONE ELSE HAS HAD THEIR OH, YEAH.
WE'LL DO, WE'LL DO THAT AT THE END.
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UH, AND THEN THE OTHER ITEM ON HERE IS ELLIS BUILDING.THERE'S GOING TO BE A VISIT ON THE 29TH AT TWO 30.
IS THAT SOMETHING SET IN STONE OR, UM, WELL, SO THE, UM, THE ARCHITECT WILL BE IN TOWN THAT DAY AND HE SUGGESTED THAT TIME.
UH, SO IF THAT WORKS FOR AS MANY OF YOU AS POSSIBLE, THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
AND TO REMIND YOU WHY WE'RE GETTING THIS TOUR IS NOT JUST FOR, FOR KICKS.
UM, THE, UH, OWNERS ARE PROPOSING, UH, THAT THE CITY CONSIDER THE BUILDING AS A, UM, AS AN OFFICIAL LOCAL LANDMARK.
AND THAT HAS A PROCESS IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, UH, WHICH INCLUDES, UH, YOUR TOUR OF THE FACILITY AS THE VERY, PRETTY MUCH THE VERY FIRST STEP.
UH, THE PROCESS ENDS WITH THE ALDERMAN, UM, APPROVING IT AS A LOCAL LANDMARK.
AND SO, UM, UH, THERE ARE QUITE A NUMBER OF OTHER STEPS IN BETWEEN.
UH, AND SO, UH, I CAN BRIEF, UH, MAYBE YOU HAVE TIME NOW IF YOU WANT, BUT, UH, UH, I CAN BRIEF YOU AT SOME OTHER TIME ON THAT, BUT THAT, UM, IN THE END, THE, ONCE IT'S A LOCAL LANDMARK, UH, YOU WILL BE RESPONSIBLE NOW OR AT THAT POINT FOR, UH, ENSURING THAT THE INTERIOR ALSO, UH, IS REMAINS AT HISTORIC STANDARDS.
UM, SO THAT WOULD BE BRAND NEW FOR THE HPC AND MAY ALSO TAKE SOME REVISIONS, THE GUIDELINES, UH, IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THAT, UM, IN SOME WAY, UH, THERE ARE DIFFERENT KINDS OF FEATURES INSIDE THE ART ON THE OUTSIDE, RIGHT? SO, UM, CEILING, FOR EXAMPLE, CEILINGS, MAY I MAKE A SUGGESTION? UM, SINCE THIS, SINCE A LANDMARK IS SOMETHING THAT I DON'T THINK THE COMMISSION HAS EVER HAD TO DO? NO, I DON'T, I DON'T RECALL EVER HAVING TO DEAL WITH ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THE CITY HAS ENOUGH FOR THE DESIGN REVIEW, UH, IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS, THE TRAINING COMPONENT FOR THAT.
SHOULD WE TRY TO SPEND SOME TIME ON, WE CAN DO THAT? UH, I THINK WE CAN DEAL WITH, UM, WITH, UH, WITH MOLLY'S TRAINING SEPARATELY.
IT SEEMS LIKE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING ALONG RELATIVELY QUICKLY, AND I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE US BE PREPARED FOR THIS.
I KNOW THAT, UM, BACK IN, UH, 2013, 14, WE HAD A NUMBER OF THINGS COME UP RELATED TO DEMOLITION OF CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
AND WE JUST WERE NOT PREPARED AT THE TIME BECAUSE THAT REALLY HAD NOT BEEN DONE THAT MUCH.
UM, THAT OF COURSE ADDS SOME TIME TO THE TRAINING OR CAUSE US TO, UM, UH, REVISE OR ELIMINATE, UH, SOMETHING ELSE IN THAT.
WELL, AND WHAT I'M PROPOSING IS THAT LANDMARK STATUS, EVERYTHING THAT'S INVOLVED WITH THAT THAT IS OUR TRAINING THAT I THINK THE OTHER TRAINING, UH, IS, IS LESS OF A PRIORITY.
IF THE LANDMARK, UH, PROCEDURES ARE, YOU KNOW, ARE COMING UP, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
THIS IS NOT A DONE DEAL YET, RIGHT? NO, IT'S REALLY, IT ENDS UP BEING UP TO THE ALDERMAN.
BUT IF I REMEMBER IT STARTS WITH US, BUT IT STARTS WITH YOU ARCHITECT THE OWNERS REQUESTING IT.
SO THERE'S SOME SORT OF, THERE'S SOME SORT OF BENEFIT TAX BENEFIT AS WE GET INTO THE, AS WE GET INTO THE DETAILS OF THE TRAINING.
THE OWNERS, THE OWNERS GET A TAX BREAK RESULT IN A RECOMMENDATION, DOES THE TOUR THAT WE DO RESOLVE IN A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ALDERMAN, NOT DIRECTLY, BUT EVENTUALLY, SO IT'S THE, IT'S, WE'D HAVE TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
SO, SO, AND THE REASON, UM, UM, THE REASON IT'S BETTER TO DO THIS TOUR SOONER THAN LATER IS BECAUSE, UH, AT, AT, SO I SHOULD EXPLAIN, UM, WHY YOU'RE GOING THROUGH IS ALSO NOT JUST TO KIND OF LOOK AROUND AND HAVEN'T HAVE A, HAVE A NICE VIEW OF WHAT'S IN THERE, BUT THE IDEA IS TO IDENTIFY AT LEAST IN YOUR MINDS, UH, OR MAYBE WITH PHOTO AND WITH PHOTOGRAPHS, UH, THAT YOU ALL CAN TAKE, UM, THE FEATURES OF THE INTERIOR THAT ARE WORTHY OF, OR POSSIBLY WORTHY OF PRESERVATION
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FOREVER.UM, AND THE REASON IT NEEDS TO BE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE IS BECAUSE WE NEVER KNOW HOW SOON THERE'LL BE REMOVING THINGS OUT OF THERE.
THEY MAY HAVE ALREADY, UH, BUT WHATEVER MAY STILL BE IN THERE WOULD IMPORTANT TO KNOW.
SO THEN WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS AS A TYPE OF TRAINING VERSUS LOOKING AT THE HPC STYLE.
WELL, THAT IS, THAT IS TIM'S PROPOSED RECOMMENDATION.
WE CAN TAKE OTHER DESIGN REVIEWS TO DEAL WITH YOUR HPC TRAINING COMPONENTS GOING FORWARD.
IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO, AT LEAST FROM MIRA, AS I SAID WITH PRETTY QUICKLY, IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH DOING THAT AT THE NEXT RESIGN REGGAE, THEN DOING BOTH IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
CLEARLY, ARE WE GOING TO DO BOTH AT THAT? NOW WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON, ON THE, UH, HISTORIC STATUS.
YEAH, NO, WE'RE GOING TO GO THE LANDMARK ISSUES.
AND MATT IS THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION IN OUR ORDINANCE.
UH IT'S IN THE, UH, CODE OF ORDINANCES.
IT MIGHT BE TIME, TIME CRITERIA IN THERE, AND ALSO IN THE GENERAL STATUTES AS WELL.
SO IT MIGHT BE ONCE THEY SUBMIT THEIR APPLICATION, WE HAVE TO ACT, OKAY, THERE IS NO APPLICATION, YOU KNOW, THAT'S HOW THIS IS HOW, UH, INFANTS IT'S IN ITS INFANCY, THIS WHOLE ISSUE BEING THE VERY, VERY FIRST TIME THIS HAS COME COMING WELL, AT SOME POINT WE'LL CONSIDER IT REQUESTING IS INVOLVED AT ALL.
THINK THAT THEIR 30 DAY REVIEW OPTION OR SOMETHING.
SO HE BEAT WELL, JOHN B, UM, DURING THE SAME TIME AS US OR NOT.
I BELIEVE HE'S ALREADY TOWARD IT BECAUSE, UH, THEY'RE ALSO PURSUING THE REGULAR TAX CREDITS.
SO I'M SURE HE'S ALREADY BEEN IN THERE.
THESE ARE DIFFERENT TAX TAX BREAKS.
IS THERE, COULD YOU SEND US, UH, THE COMMISSION LIKE LINKS TO THE GENERAL STATUTE WHERE WE MIGHT LOOK IT UP IN AN ORDINANCE, IF ANYTHING THAT WE COULD READ AHEAD OF, AND ALSO YOU ALL ARE A PUBLIC BODY.
SO WHEN THERE ARE A QUORUM OF YOU ALL PRESENT AND YOU'RE DOING COMMISSION BUSINESS, THAT NEEDS TO BE NOTICED, AND MINUTES ARE TAKEN AND THE PUBLIC HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE, NOT NECESSARILY TO MAKE COMMENTS, UM, BUT TO VIEW WHAT IT IS THAT YOU ALL DO.
SO THOSE TO TAG ALONG ESSENTIALLY.
UM, SO THOSE ARE SOME OTHER LEGAL REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU NEED TO BEAR IN MIND AS FAR AS NOTICING THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THAT OTHER PEOPLE CAN COME ON THIS REVIEW WITH US, IS THAT, IS THAT EVEN GOING TO BE FEASIBLE? AND THIS IS A, UH, ACTIVE CONSTRUCTION SITE.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO THINK THROUGH.
AND IF LIKE TOURISTS, LIKE THREE OF US, LIKE I CAN'T SEE THE, THE CONSTRUCTION FOLKS BEING WILLING TO LET US AND ALONG WITH, YOU KNOW, 40 OTHER PEOPLE.
SO IT MAY BE PRUDENT TO DO YOUR TOUR IN GROUPS OF LESS THAN A FOUR.
DO THE TOUR GROUPS OF LESS THAN A QUORUM.
SO TUESDAYS, THURSDAYS FOR AS THESE PERHAPS.
SO WE CAN, DO WE NEED TO DECIDE ON, WHO'S GOING TO GO THEN, IS THAT IF THAT'S THING OR DO WE NEED TO FIND OUT HIS INFORMATION? I THINK HE MIGHT WANT TO DIRECT STAFF TO, UM, CONSULT WITH THE BUILDING OWNER TO GET A FEEL FOR THESE TYPES OF LOGISTICS AND IT'S, THAT CAN REPORT THAT INFORMATION BACK TO YOU.
AND THEN YOU ALL CAN MAKE SOME INTELLIGENT CHOICES ABOUT HOW IT IS ONE, IF YOU WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN A TOUR AT THIS TIME, TOO, IF YOU DO, AND WHAT CAPACITY, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? AND THEN THE LEGAL AND CONSIDERING THE LEGAL IMPLICATIONS OF ANY OF THOSE CHOICES.
SO WE NEED TO GATHER THAT INFORMATION TO, TO BEGIN WITH, BUT I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE BEST FOR US TO GO AHEAD AND DO IT AS SOON AS WE CAN, SO THAT STUFF DOESN'T GET TAKEN DOWN, GOTTEN RID OF BEFORE WE'VE HAD A LOOK AT IT.
SO I THINK THE DIRECTION TO THE HPC ADMINISTRATOR IS TO GATHER THE INFORMATION FROM THE BUILDING OWNER ABOUT THE PARTICULARS AND TO COMMUNICATE THAT TO THE COMMISSION AT THE EARLIEST OPPORTUNITY, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DIRECTED YOU TO DO.
IF WE COULD SEE IT AS A FULL COMMISSION, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE, BECAUSE THEN YOU'VE GOT EVERYONE HEARING THE SAME THING AT THE SAME TIME.
THERE'S NO DISCUSSIONS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN SHARED WITH EVERYONE AT THE SAME TIME.
SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE, IF IT'S POSSIBLE, I REALIZE THAT IT MAY NOT BE, BUT,
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UM, SO THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY AMOUNT TO A SPECIAL MEETING, SPECIAL CALLED MEETING.UH, SO WE HAVE TWO DAYS ESSENTIALLY AHEAD OF TIME, 48 HOURS NOTICE, UH, THAT WE HAVE TO POST IT TO THE PUBLIC.
UM, AND SO THAT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE.
UM, WE CAN DO THAT IF YOU'D PREFER TO DO THAT.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A CALL, THE CALL, MEANING THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO DOWN THERE.
SO THE MEETING'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE DOWN THERE AND NOT HERE.
AND IF WE DO THAT, WE HAVE TO ALLOW OTHER PEOPLE, ANYONE WHO WANTS TO COME, COME ON, IT'S A PUBLIC.
AND MEANING THAT IT'S OPEN TO THE PUB, JUST LIKE PEOPLE SITTING OUT HERE TODAY WOULD JUST COME UP AND MEET WITH US.
IT IS, UH, I HAVEN'T BEEN IN IT VERY RECENTLY, BUT IT IS A BUILDING UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
SO THE APP, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THIS, RIGHT? SO APPLICANT, THE OWNERS ARE REQUESTING THIS.
SO THE OWNERS, UM, I SUPPOSE, WOULD BE REQUESTED TO PROVIDE SOME KIND OF LIABILITY WAIVER FOR EVERYONE.
THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT NEEDS, THOSE ARE LOGISTICS THAT NEEDS RETAILS.
WE, MATT, I MEAN, I REALLY WOULD SUGGEST WE FOLLOW COUNSEL'S ADVICE ON SIZE TWO OR SIZE AND NOT HAVE IT BECAUSE YOU COULD MAKE OFFHAND COMMENTS THAT SOUND LIKE A DECISION, KEEP IT UNDER.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY THAT STATEMENT SO THAT ANYONE WHO'S LISTENING WILL UNDERSTAND MY INTENTION.
IF YOU'RE CONSIDERING GOING TO AN ACTIVE CONSTRUCTION SITE, LARGE GROUPS OF PEOPLE, UM, COULD BE A PRECARIOUS SITUATION AND DOING IT IN SMALL GROUPS, UM, WILL ALLOW YOU TO GO AT YOUR LEISURE.
UM, WHENEVER YOUR SCHEDULES MIGHT ALLOW AND MIGHT MITIGATE SOME OF THE HAZARDS, I DON'T KNOW THE EXTENT OF THE CONSTRUCTION THAT'S GOING ON IN THE BUILDING CONDITIONS.
WELL, THE HAZARDOUS AREAS IN THERE, YOU WOULDN'T WANT PEOPLE CLIMBING AROUND AND IT MAY BE THAT WE DON'T WANT YOU ALL CLIMBING AROUND.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT'S A CONFERENCE.
THESE ARE LOGISTICS THAT I THINK THE COMMISSION HAS DIRECTED STAFF TO INVESTIGATE.
SO I WOULD AT LEAST LIKE TO KNOW THOUGH, UM, IF THERE, FIRST OF ALL, ANYBODY WHO BELIEVES THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GO, YEAH, I'M NOT AVAILABLE THAT DAY.
I COULD, I COULD COME EARLIER IN THE DAY, BUT I'M NOT AVAILABLE THAT ON THAT MONDAY.
SO YOU'RE AVAILABLE EARLIER IN THAT.
YEAH, I WOULD BE AVAILABLE LIKE 1130 TO 1230, BUT NOT TWO 30.
SO IS THE OWNER OBLIGATED TO DO ALL OF US OR AS MANY OF YOU THAT WANT TO GO? I WOULD LIKE TO GET, YES.
SO THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY NEXT ONE.
DOES ANYBODY KNOW THAT YOU REALLY WOULD WANT TO GO AND ARE AVAILABLE THAT DAY? ALL DAY, TONY? YEAH, I THINK IT'S UP TO THE, TO THE OWNER.
SO, UM, UM, WOULD SEEM LIKE IT'S IN THEIR BEST INTEREST TO ALLOW AND ENCOURAGE AS MANY OF YOU AS POSSIBLE.
WELL, AND IF THAT NEEDS TO BE IN SMALLER GROUPS, THEN IT NEEDS TO BE DONE MORE THAN ONE TIME BECAUSE WE ALL, AS YOU SAID, WE ALL EVENTUALLY DOWN THE ROAD ARE GOING TO VOTE ON IT.
SO WE ALL NEED TO THAT SCENE, WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON.
AND AS THEY'VE, THEY'VE SUGGESTED TWO 30, MAYBE WE WILL HAVE ONE GROUP OF TWO 30, BUT MAYBE ANOTHER ONE SAY AT 1130.
SO, UM, ANYONE, UH, MAYBE CAN CANVAS, UH, I'M AVAILABLE.
I'LL JUST MAKE THE, EITHER TIME AVAILABLE.
OKAY, TIM? UH, I CAN BE WHAT'S THAT I CAN BE AVAILABLE ANYTIME.
ANY OTHER ITEMS AT THIS TIME? OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND.