Sep 13, 2022 Board of Aldermen

NOW WE ARE GOING TO ADMINISTER THE OATH TO ALDERMAN BARBARA VEST.

AT THIS TIME, THE OATH IS GOING TO BE ADMINISTERED TO, OH, I'M SORRY.

PLEDGE ALLEG TO THE FLAG PLEDGE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND IN TWO REPUBLIC OVER WHICH THE STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.

[2. Administer Oath of Office to Alderman Barbara Best.]

I BELIEVE OUR CITY CLERK IS GONNA DO THAT.

IF YOU'LL PLACE YOUR LEFT HAND ON THE BIBLE AND RAISE YOUR ROOM, DO YOU BARBARA BEST SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT YOU WILL SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES SO HELP YOU GOD, I WILL.

DO YOU BARBARA, BEST SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT YOU WILL SUPPORT AND MAINTAIN THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE CONSTITUTION LAWS OF NORTH CAROLINA, NOT INCONSISTENT THERE WITH, AND THAT YOU WILL FAITHFULLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES OF YOUR OFFICES, ALDERMAN.

SO HELP YOU GOD, I WILL DO YOU BARBARA, BEST SOLEMNLY AND SINCERELY SWEAR THAT YOU WILL BE FAITHFUL AND BEAR A TRUE ALLEGIANCE TO THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA AND TO THE CONSTITUTIONAL POWERS AND AUTHORITIES, WHICH ARE, OR MAY BE ESTABLISHED FOR THE GOVERNMENT THEREOF AND THAT YOU WILL ENDEAVOR TO SUPPORT, MAINTAIN AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF SAID, STATE NOT INCONSISTENT WITH THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND ABILITIES THAT HELP YOU.

GOD, I WILL.

CONGRATULATIONS.

BE WITH US WHEN WE DID THIS, UH, LAST MONTH, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR THAT YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE? OH YES.

INTRODUCE TO THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW MY FAMILY AND DO THOSE THAT DO.

UM, THIS IS MY HUSBAND, STEVEN, THIS IS MY ROCK.

THIS IS MY APPLE OF MY EYE.

HE DON'T LIKE A LOT OF TENSION, BUT YOU KNOW, I'M TELLING , THIS IS MY PASTOR JOHNSON, MY SPIRIT ADVISOR, MY FRIEND, THIS IS MY SISTER-IN-LAW VALERIE.

AND THIS IS MY BROTHER-IN-LAW.

THIS IS A MARK WIFE, VALERIE, AND THIS IS MY FAMILY.

AND THANK ALDERMAN BEST SINCE YOU WEREN'T ABLE TO

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SURE.

UM, I, I WAS SO REMISS THAT I WAS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND, UM, GOING OUT OF, UH, MY COLLEAGUES THAT I WORK WITH FOR THE LAST FOUR AND A HALF YEARS.

UM, I WANTED TO BE HERE TO PERSONALLY SAY A FEW WORDS TO THEM AND, BUT I WASN'T ABLE TO DO SO BECAUSE I WAS SICK.

BUT, UM, I JUST WANNA SAY, UM, THANK YOU TO MAYOR OUTLAW, TO ALTMAN BINGLE AND ALDERMAN HARRIS FOR THE FOUR AND A HALF YEARS.

WE WORKED TOGETHER.

IT WASN'T ALWAYS SMOOTH, BUT AT THE END WE ALL CAME TOGETHER AND WORKED FOR THE BETTERMENT OF OUR CITY.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DO.

WE'RE NOT GONNA ALWAYS AGREE, BUT SOMETIMES WE CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE.

AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY, UM, WELCOME A BOARD ALMAN PRIL ALMAN, UM, ROYAL, UM, OUR NEW MAYOR ODO AND, UM, ALMAN, UH, SSON UM, WE GOT A LOT OF WORK AHEAD OF US.

WE GOT A LOT OF PROJECTS THAT, UH, WE ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE, AND IT'S GONNA TAKE ALL OF US TO COME TOGETHER TO WORK TOGETHER.

AND FOR THE BETTERMENT OF OUR CITIZENS, WHICH IS OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IS OUR CITIZENS.

SO IF WE CAN ALL JUST COME TOGETHER, WORK TOGETHER.

I, I KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A HARMONIOUS CELEBRATION HERE WHEN WE GET THIS NEW ELEVATOR INSTALLED HERE.

UM, HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET MORE OF OUR CITIZENS TO COME OUT, UM, TO OUR MEETINGS.

AND, UM, BEFORE I END, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, THANK YOU TO MY CITIZENS, CONSTITUENTS, UM, RESIDENTS.

HOWEVER, THEY MAY BE CLASSIFIED OF WARD FIVE.

THANK YOU FOR, UM, HAVING YOUR TRUST, PUTTING YOUR TRUST IN ME AND YOUR FAITH IN ME AND ALLEGING ME TO BE YOUR REPRESENTATIVE.

UM, I AM HERE TO SERVE WARD FIVE, BUT I SERVED THE WHOLE CITIZENRY OF THIS CITY AS WELL.

SO, UM, I LOOK FORWARD TO ANOTHER THREE AND A HALF YEARS WORKING WITH THE CITIZENS AND THIS BOARD.

THANK YOU, ALDERMAN.

BEST MADAME CLERK.

IF YOU WOULD PLEASE CALL ENROLL, ALDERMAN C HERE, OMAN ROYAL HERE.

OTTERMAN ASTOR HERE MADE MAYOR OUM HERE.

OTTERMAN KINZIE HERE.

OTTERMAN DESK PRESENT.

OTTERMAN BRINSON HERE BEFORE WE MOVE ON.

UH, MR. MAN, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE A NEW EMPLOYEE.

YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE AN INTRODUCTION ON.

YES WE DO.

I'M HAPPY TO SAY THAT WE HAVE HIRED AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION.

HER NAME IS PATRICA BOWMAN, AND SHE IS IN THE AUDIENCE.

I WANNA READ HER, HER BIO AS SHE WALKS UP HERE.

UH, SHE COMES TO US FROM LELAND, NORTH CAROLINA, JUST SOUTH OF WILTON, WHERE SHE STARTED HER CAREER WITH THE WILMINGTON HOUSING AUTHORITY.

SHE'S GOT EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR, INCLUDING HOUSING SERVICES, STRATEGIC PLANNING, PHYSICAL MANAGEMENT, STATE, AND FEDERAL FUNDING AND RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT.

SOME OF HER PREVIOUS ROLES HAVE INCLUDED CASE MANAGER, RESIDENT SERVICES, DIRECTOR, HR CONSULTANT, HOUSING DEVELOPMENT MANAGER, AND ASSISTANT VICE PRESIDENT OF ASSET MANAGEMENT AND OPERATION SHE'S OVERSEEING PROGRAMS AND, UM, OVERSEEING PROGRAMS AND IMPLEMENTATION OF, UH, PROGRAMS FROM THE MANAGEMENT OF HOUSING, URBAN DEVELOPMENT AND DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES.

SHE HELD CERTIFICATIONS IN FAMILY SELF-SUFFICIENCY HOUSING MANAGER, TAX CREDIT MANAGER, HOUSING QUALITY STANDARDS, ASBESTOS AND LEAD SAFETY.

SHE'S GOT A BACHELOR'S DEGREE FROM UNC WILMINGTON AND A MASTER'S FROM WEBSTER UNIVERSITY.

SO IN THE, LITERALLY THIS IS THE ONE FULL WEEK SHE'S BEEN HERE TODAY.

AND IN THIS PAST WEEK, SHE HAS BEEN VERY BUSY MEETING, A LOT OF FOLKS AND, AND I'M REALLY EXCITED TO HAVE PATRICIA JOIN OUR OUR CREW.

AND THANK YOU.

I, UM, MAYOR ALDERMAN, ALDERMAN.

I'M SO EXCITED ABOUT BEING HERE.

IT'S NOT JUST AN EXCITEMENT.

I'M JUST ELATED.

UM, SOMEONE ASKED ME ABOUT LIVING, OH, YOU GONNA BM NEWBURG LIVE IN A SMALL TOWN.

I SEE NOTHING SMALL ABOUT THIS TOWN.

I DON'T KNOW WHY I HADN'T BEEN HERE BEFORE, BUT, UM, ANYWAY, UM, LOOKING AT THE REDEVELOPMENT ZONE, I'M REALLY TRYING TO GET OUT THERE.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS, HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE A PLAN OF ACTION.

UM, WE ARE LOOKING FOR YOU TO COME AND SUPPORT, UM, YOUR IDEAS AND YOUR VISION.

IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE REDEVELOPMENT ZONE.

IT'S ABOUT THE CITY, RIGHT? IT, THE REDEVELOPMENT ZONE IS PART OF THAT.

SO I'M LOOKING TO MEET WITH EACH OF YOU AND ALSO TO HEAR YOUR IDEAS AND LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU.

TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.

WELCOME.

GLAD TO HAVE YOU ON BOARD

[4. Approve Agenda.]

FOR,

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MM-HMM MAYOR, MAYOR LIKE MAKE MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AS HE IS, HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

[5. Request and Petition of Citizens.]

PETITION OF CITIZENS.

THANK YOU, MR. EDWIN VARGAS, MR. VARGAS, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

OH, EXCUSE ME.

WE SAY SPANISH, BUT THAT WOULDN'T BE RIGHT.

SEE.

OKAY, GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS EDWIN VARGAS.

ONE 19 RAN WOOD LANE, NEWBURN NORTH CAROLINA.

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS IS AN IDEA THAT IS WAY OVERDUE UNDER EACH ELECTED OFFICIAL'S NAME.

A LINK CAN BE DONE OF ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN ACCOMPLISHED DURING THAT YEAR.

THIS WAY, A CITIZEN CAN LOCATE THEIR ELECTED OFFICIAL AND READ WHAT HAS BEEN DONE.

THIS INFORMATION CAN BE SENT FROM THE ALDERMAN AND THE MAYOR TO THE CITY CLERK FOR UPDATES.

THE SECOND ITEM IS TO HAVE A LIST OF EVERY EXPENDITURE SPENT FROM HURRICANE FLORENCE, GIVEN TO THIS CITY FROM FEMA FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY.

IT HAS BEEN THREE YEARS.

THIS WAY, THE CITIZENS WILL KNOW IF THESE AREAS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED.

ALL OF THESE AREAS, WHICH ARE FOR EVERY 90 DAYS, MANAGED BY STORM WATER MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT OVER 11 YEARS STRONG, WHICH IN LOW LINE SEA LEVEL AREAS ARE RENY CREEK.

IS IT GONNA BE DREDGED JACK SMITH CREEK? IS IT GONNA BE DREDGED TAYLOR CREEK? IS IT GONNA BE DREDGED ALL AREAS WITH ALL CULVERS AND DRAIN PIPES CREEK ALONG THE RAILROAD TRACKS FROM SIMMONS STREET, SOUTH, ALL DITCHES, ALL OF THE DITCHES IN FIVE POINTS, ALL OF THE DITCHES IN PEMBRO, ALL OF THE DITCHES IN PLEASANT HILL AND ALL THE DITCHES IN PLANNERS RIDGE.

THIS FUNDING FROM FEMA WAS AN EXCELLENT OPPORTUNITY TO CLEAN UP AREAS THAT WITHOUT FLORENCE FUNDS COULD NOT HAVE BEEN DONE, UNLESS IT WAS TAKEN OUT A GENERAL FUND OR RAISED TAXES.

TAXPAYERS WANT TO KNOW? THANK YOU, MR. VARGAS.

THANK YOU, SIR.

BOARD

[Consent Agenda]

WILL MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.

LOOK FOR A MOTION.

MAY I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS IS, HAVE A MOTION.

SECOND, HAVE A SECOND, UH, LIKE A ROLL CALL STARTING WITH ALDERMAN FRILL.

[12. Conduct a Public Hearing on the Rezoning of 3603 Neuse Boulevard; and a) Consider Adopting a Statement of Zoning Consistency or Inconsistency; and b) Consider Adopting an Ordinance to Rezone 3603 Neuse Boulevard from C- 4 Neighborhood Business District to C- 3 Commercial District.]

MOVING RIGHT ALONG TO ITEM NUMBER 12, WE WILL CONDUCT THE PUBLIC HEARING ON REZONING OF 36 0 3 NEWS BOULEVARD.

I'M SURE STAFF PROBABLY HAS A ATION MR. MANAGER AT THIS TIME.

I'D LIKE TO ASK MR. SHEEY GOING TO MAKE HIS PRESENTATION GOOD EVENING.

AND I ALSO HAVE OUR, UH, ZONING AND LAND USE ADMINISTRATOR JOINING ME, MR. SETH WK.

OR THE APPLICANT OWNS BOTH OF THOSE PROPERTIES.

SO, UH, WE HAVE THREE REZONING REQUESTS TONIGHT.

THE FIRST ONE HERE IS FOR 36 0 3 NEWS BOULEVARD.

UH, THE IS UGK AND THE EXISTING ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY IS C FOUR NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS DISTRICT.

UH, THE PROPOSED ZONING IS C3 COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND THE SIZE IS ALMOST ONE ACRE.

THE HISTORY AND BACKGROUND IS LONG TERM COMMERCIAL USES.

THE EXISTING STRUCTURE WAS BUILT IN 1971 AND CLASSIFIED AS AN OFFICE.

THE PRESENT LAND USE IS A RETAIL TIRE STORE AND SERVICE CENTER.

SO YOU MAY REMEMBER A FEW MONTHS AGO, WE WERE IN HERE FOR THE ADJACENT, UH, PIECE OF LAND BEFORE, UH, AT LEAST THE INCUMBENTS, UH, RE MAY REMEMBER THIS.

UH, AND, UH, THIS WAS THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THAT, THAT, UH, IS CURRENTLY, UM, A, UM, NONCONFORMING USE.

SO HERE WE HAVE A MAP SHOWING THE EXISTING ZONING, UH, IS ON THAT SITE IS CURRENTLY C4.

THAT'S THE LIGHT COLOR THAT'S UNDERNEATH THE WORD SITE.

UH, WHEREAS THE ONE THAT WAS RECENTLY REZONED C3 IS RIGHT TO THE LOWER RIGHT OF THAT.

UH, THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER OWNS THE SAME, UH, BOTH OF THOSE

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SO, UM, NOW THE C3 DISTRICT IS ESTABLISHED AS A DISTRICT FOR OFFICES, PERSONAL SERVICES AND THE RETAILING OF DURABLE AND CONVENIENCE GOODS.

AND THIS DISTRICT WILL GENERALLY BE LOCATED ON THE CITY'S MAJOR RADIAL ROADS.

SO THE, THE USES THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED SHOULD THE REZONING BE APPROVED, ARE SOME EXAMPLES ARE SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY, RESIDENTIAL HIGH TRAFFIC, RETAIL, CAR WASH, RESTAURANTS, OFFICES, ENCLOS STORAGE, GASOLINE SALES, AUTOMOBILE SALES, FLOOR SERVICE, AND INDOOR ATHLETIC EXERCISE FACILITIES.

SO THE SURROUND THE ZONING SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY INCLUDES TO THE NORTH, THE COMMERCIAL C FOUR NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS DISTRICT TO THE SOUTH THAT, UH, RECENTLY REZONED VACANT, UH, C3 PROPERTY OWNED BY THE APPLICANT TO THE EAST.

UH, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF NEWS BOULEVARD IS MOSTLY VACANT LAND THAT ZONED C4 ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.

AND THEN TO THE WEST, UH, IS A MOBILE HOME PARK ZONED R SIX.

SO AS FAR AS UTILITIES GO, ALL THE, THE, ALL THE CITY PROVIDED UTILITIES AND SERVICES ARE AVAILABLE TO THE GENERAL AREA.

AND WITH REFERENCE TO THE LAND USE PLAN, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS SHOWN AS DEVELOPED, UH, IN THE LAND USE PLAN WITH A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES.

THERE ARE NO KNOWN ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARDS ON THIS PROPERTY.

SO NEWS BOULEVARD IS CLASSIFIED AS A PRINCIPAL ARTERIAL AND ACCORDING TO THE NORTH CAROLINA FLOOD PLAIN MAPPING PROGRAM, THE PROPERTY IS NOT LOCATED WITHIN THE 100 YEAR OR THE 500 YEAR FLOOD PLAIN.

SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE PROPOSAL TO REZONE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY TO C3 COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE ADJACENT LAND USE TO THE SOUTH THAT IS OWNED BY THE APPLICANT AND RECENTLY REZONED TO C3 AS WELL AS COMMERCIAL ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS TO THE NORTH AND EAST ACROSS NEWS BOULEVARD.

THE ADJACENT MOBILE HOME PARK TO THE WEST WILL BE VISUALLY SCREENED IN ANY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT SCENARIO BY ORDINANCE STAFF HAS FOUND THE PROPOSED REZONING TO BE IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST AND CONSISTENT WITH CITY LAND USE AND TRANSPORTATION PLANS, AND DUE TO THE PARCEL BEING IN COMMERCIAL USE, UH, CURRENTLY AND ONLY MODERATELY SUITED FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT STAFF HAS NO OBJECTION TO APPROVAL OF THE REQUESTED REZONING.

DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR PRESENTATION? YES.

BOARD MEMBERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE WE OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING? NO, JUST ONE.

THIS IS, I KNOW WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.

MAYBE THIS IS WHERE THE STORAGE UNIT, THEY WANT TO PUT STORAGE UNITS, CORRECT.

THAT, UH, THE, UH, APPLICANT HAS EXPRESSED THAT AS THEIR INTENDED USE.

MM-HMM YOU MORE QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM NUMBER 12, THE REZONING OF 36 0 3 NEW BOULEVARD.

IF ANYONE HAS ANY COMMENTS FOR OR AGAINST, PLEASE STEP TO THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

MAYOR LIKE MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING, HAVE A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, HAVE A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING, SAY, AYE, AYE.

ANY OPPOSED PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

SO BOARD, UH, JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE NEW MEMBERS, UH, THERE'S TWO PARTS TO A REZONING NUMBER ONE, OR I SHOULD SAY LETTER A IS TO ADOPT A STATEMENT OF ZONING, CONSISTENCY OR INCONSISTENCY, DEPENDING ON WHETHER OR NOT YOU AGREE WITH THE REZONING REQUEST OR NOT.

AND THEN WE WOULD MOVE ON TO, TO LETTER B.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO ADOPT.

I'D LIKE TO ADOPT A STATEMENT OF ZONING CONSISTENCY.

THAT'S A B I LIKE TO ADOPT, WE GOTTA DO A FIRST AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO B.

SO WE GOT A MOTION FOR A, DO I HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND, HAVE A SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THAT? UH, WE NEED A ROLL CALL, VOTE ON THE STATEMENT OF ZION CONSISTENCY, PLEASE.

UH, ROLL CALL VOTE.

STARTING WITH ALDERMAN ROYAL.

NOW YOU CAN DO B IF YOU'D LIKE TO.

SECOND, SECOND HAVE SECOND, LIKE A ROLL CALL STARTING WITH ALDERMAN ASHER.

I LIKE TO DO AN ORDINANCE TO REZONE 36 0 3 NEW BOULEVARD FROM C4 NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS DISTRICT TWO C3 COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.

YOU HAVE

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[13. Conduct a Public Hearing on Rezoning Tax Parcel IDs 8- 210- 11002, 8- 210- 11003, 8- 210- 11004, 8- 210- 11006, 8- 210- 11009, 8- 210- 11010, and 8- 210- 23000; and a) Consider Adopting a Statement of Zoning Consistency or Inconsistency; and b) Consider Adopting an Ordinance to Rezone Tax Parcel IDs 8- 210- 11002, 8- 210- 11003, 8- 210- 11004, 8- 210- 11006, 8- 210- 11009, 8- 210- 11010, and 8- 210- 23000 from A5- F Agricultural Forestry District, R- 10 Residential District, and R- 10A Residential District to R- 6 Residential District.]

MOVING RIGHT ALONG ITEM NUMBER 13, WE WILL DO THE SAME THING.

CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON REZONING TAX PARCEL IDS.

UH, THERE'S SEVERAL.

I'M NOT GONNA READ 'EM ALL.

UM, AGAIN, STAFF, I ASSUME, HAVE A PRESENTATION.

UM, WE'LL GET STARTED RIGHT INTO IT.

UH, THIS IS REZONING REQUEST FOR SEVEN PARCELS IN THE CRAYBURN FOREST AREA.

JASON, UH, THE APPLICANT IS MCC FARMS, LLC.

UH, AND THE LOCATION IS THOSE, UH, COUNTY P UH, PARCEL ID NUMBER IS 8 2 10 11 0 2 11 0 3, 11 0 4, 11 0 6, 11 0 9, 11 0 10 AND 23 0 EXISTING ZONING.

UH, FOR THOSE PROPERTIES RANGES BETWEEN A FIVE F AND A FIVE AND R 10.

THE PROPOSED ZONING FOR ALL OF THESE WILL BE R SIX.

RESIDENTIAL.

THE TOTAL SIZE IS 413.3 ACRES PLUS OR MINUS.

AND THE HISTORY BACKGROUND FOR THIS SITE, IT HAS SEEN A MIXTURE OF AGRICULTURAL AND FOREST, UH, LAND USES AND THE PRESENT LAND USE IS FORESTRY.

SO HERE WE HAVE, UH, SAMPLE OF, UH, LOOKING INTO THE SITE, UH, FROM, UH, A LONG CIVIL WAY, CIVIL CIVIL WAY.

WITH THE FUTURE EXTENSION OF NORTH CAROLINA, 43, DR.

UH, AND HERE WE HAVE A MAP OF THE ENTIRE AREA.

SO THE AREA THAT'S IN THE CROSSHATCHING, IT HAS SOME GREEN BACKGROUND BEHIND IT.

UH, AND THEN THE SMALL RECTANGLE ON THE LEFT SIDE THAT HAS DOUBLE CROSSHATCHING, UH, THAT IS THE ENTIRE AREA.

UM, THE OTHER AREAS THAT ARE YELLOW AND ORANGE AND, UM, UH, NOT CROSSHATCHED, LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY ARE OTHER PARCELS SURROUNDING THIS PROPERTY? UM, THE GREEN CROSS, UH, THE GREEN AREA UNDERNEATH THE, UH, CROSSHATCHING IS THE A FIVE F ZONING DISTRICT.

THE SMALL LITTLE TRIANGLE IN OR RECTANGLE IN THE LOWER LEFT OF THE PROPERTY IS, UH, THE AREA THAT IS THE A FIVE ZONING DISTRICT.

UM, THE ETJ IS ACTUALLY RIGHT ALONG THE PERIPHERY OF THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THIS, UH, PROPERTY.

AND THAT'S WHY NONE OF THAT IS, HAS ANY COLOR, ANYTHING THAT'S WHITE IS OUTSIDE OF OUR JURISDICTION.

SO THE EXISTING ZONING, A FIVE AND A FIVE AGRICULTURE DISTRICTS IS DESIGNED TO PROMOTE AGRICULTURAL FORESTRY OPERATIONS AND TO ALLOW FOR LOW DENSITY, SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT ON FIVE ACRE, MINIMUM LOTS, THE R 10 RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT IS DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE SINGLE IN TWO FAMILY HOMES WITH 10,000 SQUARE FOOT, LOTS AND 5,000 SQUARE FOOT FOR EACH ADDITIONAL LOT.

BUT, UH, THE AREA OF THAT R THE R 10 AREA IS SO SMALL.

YOU CAN BARELY SEE IT ON THAT MAP.

IT'S REALLY WHERE THE ROAD IS BETWEEN THE TWO, UM, SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE.

SO THE PROPOSED ZONING IS TO CONVERT ALL OF THAT TO OUR SIX RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, WHICH IS DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE SINGLE TWO AND MULTIFAMILY DWELLINGS WITH 6,000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM, LOTS FOR ONE DWELLING UNIT AND 2000 SQUARE FEET REQUIRED FOR EACH ADDITIONAL UNIT.

SO, UH, GENERAL SURVEY OF THE ALLOWED USES IN THE R SIX IS SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL MULTI-FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL, DUPLEX, RESIDENTIAL CHURCHES, NURSING CARE INSTITUTIONS WITH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, EMERGENCY SERVICE STATIONS ALSO WITH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SURROUNDING ZONING, UH, TO THE NORTH ON THAT MAP WAS THE TOP.

SO IT IS, UH, AGRICULTURAL FORESTED.

THE A FIVE F THAT IS SOUTH IS FORESTED AND VACANT, BUT IS RANGES BETWEEN R 20, A FIVE F AND C3 TO THE EAST.

IT IS FORESTED WITH A FIVE F AND RESIDENTIAL WITH R SIX AND TO THE WEST IS FORESTED WITH A FIVE R 20 AND A FIVE F FOR THE UTILITIES.

ALL CITY PROVIDED UTILITIES AND SERVICES ARE AVAILABLE TO THE GENERAL AREA.

SO ACCORDING TO THE 2022 LAND USE PLAN, THE SUBJECT PARCELS ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE MLK BOULEVARD FOCUS AREA FOR FUTURE GROWTH, AS WELL AS OPPORTUNITY ZONE B

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MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.

BOULEVARD IS CLASSIFIED AS PRINCIPAL ARTERIAL AND TRENT CREEK ROAD AND SALVO DRIVE ARE CLASSIFIED AS LOCAL STREETS.

ACCORDING TO, UH, DOT'S FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION, THE SITE WILL HAVE FRONTAGE ALONG THE FRONT, THE FUTURE, NC 43 EXTENSION, ACCORDING TO THE REGIONAL LAND USE PLAN, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY HAS AREAS OF MEDIUM SUITABILITY FOR DEVELOPMENT.

THERE ARE NO KNOWN ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARDS ON THIS PROPERTY.

AND ACCORDING TO THE NORTH CAROLINA FLOOD PLAIN MAPPING PROGRAM, NONE OF THE SUBJECT PARCELS ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE 100 YEAR OR 500 YEAR FLOOD PLAIN.

SO THE RECOMMENDATION, UH, THE PROPOSAL TO REZONE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY TO R SIX RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING LAND USE USE PREVIOUSLY DEVELOPED BY THE APPLICANT STAFF IS FOUND THE PROPOSED REZONING TO BE IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST AND CONSISTENT WITH LAND CITY LAND USE PLAN BEING LOCATED WITHIN THE MLK BOULEVARD, FOCUS AREA FOR FUTURE GROWTH, AS WELL AS OPPORTUNITY ZONE B STAFF HAS NO OBJECTION TO APPROVAL OF THE REQUESTED REZONING.

IS THAT YOUR PRESENTATION, SIR? YES.

UH, MR. DAVIS, I WILL REFER TO YOU, UH, AT THE TIME WHEN THE APPLICANT PLACED, UH, THIS APPLICATION FOR REZONING, I WAS LISTED AS A MANAGER, NOT A MEMBER, BUT A MANAGER OF THE LLCS, UH, WHICH I AM NO LONGER ASSOCIATED WITH.

COULD YOU PROVIDE SOME DIRECTION OR CLARITY WITH THAT? YES, SIR.

MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

UM, I KNOW ALL OF YOU ARE CURIOUS ABOUT THE, THE LAW ON THIS ISSUE, AND AS WE WIND UP TO THAT ANSWER, UM, SEVERAL OF YOU HAVE REACHED OUT TO ME WITH SOME EXCELLENT QUESTIONS.

SO I'M GONNA RE RESPOND TO THOSE QUESTIONS FOR THE BENEFIT OF EVERYONE.

AND THEN WE'LL CONCLUDE WITH WHAT'S THE LAW ON THE MATTER, UM, HAD A QUESTION ABOUT HOW DOES THE CITY VERIFY WHETHER OR NOT A PUBLIC OFFICIAL HAS AN OWNERSHIP INTEREST IN AN ENTITY THAT MIGHT COME BEFORE YOU, THERE ARE TWO THINGS WE DO.

FIRST THING WE DO IS WE ASK YOU, DO YOU HAVE AN OWNERSHIP INTEREST IN THAT ENTITY? THE SECOND THING I DO IS I PERSONALLY FOLLOW UP WITH THE ATTORNEY THAT REPRESENTS THAT ENTITY, JUST TO VERIFY THAT THERE IS NO PUBLIC OFFICIAL THAT HAS AN INTEREST IN THAT ENTITY.

THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO.

AND IT'S THE BEST WE CAN DO.

YOU MAY RECALL WE HAD, UM, AN ISSUE, UH, COME UP LAST YEAR AS TO WHETHER, UM, OTTOMAN BELE OWNED AN INTEREST IN THE ELKS BUILDING, DID THE SAME THING THERE.

WE ASKED HER, ACTUALLY ASKED HER LIVE ON TV.

IF SHE HAD AN INTEREST, I FOLLOW UP THEIR GENERAL COUNSEL TO CONFIRM THAT THERE ARE NO PUBLIC OFFICIALS WITH AN INTEREST, UM, IN THAT ENTITY.

UM, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE.

UM, ANOTHER QUESTION I GOT IS WHAT DO YOU DO IF YOU THINK YOU HAVE, UH, A POTENTIAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST? UM, THE FIRST THING YOU DO IS YOU CONTACT ME DIRECTLY.

UM, I PREFER THAT YOU FIND ME DAYS IN ADVANCE OF THE ISSUE.

DON'T SPRING IT ON ME LIVE WHEN THE ISSUE COMES UP, THAT'S, THAT'S BETTER THAN NOTHING, BUT, BUT GIVE ME SOME TIME TO REFLECT AND CHAT WITH YOU.

SOMETIMES THE ANSWER CAN TURN ON SOME FACTS THAT, THAT THE TWO OF US MIGHT HAVE TO VERIFY TOGETHER, BUT IT'S ALWAYS BEST TO REACH OUT TO ME IN ADVANCE SO THAT WE CAN TALK IT THROUGH.

UM, IN FACT, THAT'S WHAT OTTOMAN OUM DID IN THIS CASE.

UH, A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO WHEN THIS SITUATION FIRST CAME TO PASS, SO THAT HE WOULD ALERT ME TO THIS ISSUE SO THAT THE TWO OF US COULD MONITOR IT AS THE YEARS WENT BY IN CASE IT EVER BECAME AN ISSUE.

UM, THIRD QUESTION, I GOT, HOW DO YOU RECUSE YOURSELF? AND WHAT'S THE PROCEDURE TO EXCUSE YOU FROM VOTING.

IF WE CONCLUDE THAT THERE IS A CONFLICT THAT COULD LEGALLY EXCUSE YOU FROM VOTING, WE ASK SOMEONE TO, TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT, TO EXCUSE THE MEMBER FROM VOTING, AND THEN THE BOARD YOU WILL COLLECTIVELY VOTE, UM, TO, TO LET THAT, THAT MEMBER OFF THE HOOK AND NOT VOTE.

THERE'S REALLY NO SUCH THING AS RECUSING YOURSELF.

HAVE THE GENERAL STATUTE IN 1 68, SECTION FIVE, THAT'S WHERE THE, THE FIRST LINE OF THE STATUTE SAYS YOU HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO VOTE.

UM, I'LL COME TO THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER IN MORE DETAIL, BUT, BUT THE BETTER PRACTICE IS TO HAVE THE BOARD EXCUSE YOU FROM VOTING.

OTHERWISE WE'RE LEFT WITH A LEGAL CONUNDRUM AS TO WHETHER YOUR REFUSAL TO VOTE.

AND THAT'S WHAT A RECUSAL IS.

IN THIS CONTEXT, IT'S A REFUSAL TO VOTE.

WE'RE LEFT WITH A QUESTION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS LEGALLY VALID AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT COUNTS, IT'S A YES, VOTE.

IF YOU DON'T VOTE WITHOUT BEING EXCUSED, IT IS A YES, VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, ALL THAT WIND UP TO THE LAW ON THIS.

THERE ARE FOUR SEPARATE STATUTES THAT DICTATE WHETHER OR NOT YOU MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

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AND, AND THAT IS OFTENTIMES COUNTERINTUITIVE FROM THE PUBLIC'S POINT OF VIEW, WE START WITH THE PRESUMPTION THAT YOU WERE ELECTED TO DO SOMETHING, AND THAT IS TO VOTE.

YOU RAN ON PLATFORMS, YOU HAVE IDEAS THAT YOU EXPRESSED AND PEOPLE WANT TO HOLD YOU TO THOSE IDEAS.

UM, SO THE BURDEN IS ON YOU TO VOTE.

EVEN WHEN THAT VOTE CAN BE VERY UNCOMFORTABLE.

HOWEVER, EVEN IN 1 68 75, IT SAYS, IF YOU HAVE A DIRECT PERSONAL BENEFIT ON THE SUBJECT OF YOUR VOTE, YOU, YOU CAN BE EXCUSED FROM VOTING.

SO THAT'S THE GENERAL PREMISE.

WE THEN HAVE A CRIMINAL STATUTE THAT BACKS THAT UP, AND THAT'S IN 14, 2 34.

AND IT SAYS, DEPENDING ON THE NATURE OF YOUR OWNERSHIP INTEREST AND THE MONEY INVOLVED, IF YOU DON'T DISCLOSE IT AND VOTE ON THAT MATTER, IT'S ACTUALLY A CRIME.

THAT'S THE IMPORTANT ONE THAT WE WORRY ABOUT A GREAT DEAL.

WE THEN HAVE TWO STEP SECTIONS IN ONE 60 D 1 0 9.

I'M GONNA START WITH THE MORE CONFUSING ONE THAT'S IN SUBSECTION D.

THAT IS FOR QUASI JUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS.

AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT GETS A LOT OF FOLKS TRIPPED UP BECAUSE THAT SUBSECTION DOESN'T APPLY TO YOU AS A LEGISLATIVE BODY THAT APPLIES TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, BECAUSE THAT IS THE BOARD THAT EXCLUSIVELY ADDRESSES QUASI-JUDICIAL ISSUES IN THE CITY OF BLOOMBERG.

THOSE ARE SPECIAL USE PERMITS AND VARIANCES.

THOSE TWO ISSUES HAVE SPECIFIC LEGAL STANDARDS.

THAT'S WHY THEY'RE CALLED.

QUASI-JUDICIAL NOT JUDICIAL BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY LEGALLY JUDGES, BUT THOSE STANDARDS INVOLVE PROPERTY INTERESTS, WHERE PEOPLE ARE ENTITLED TO THOSE PERMITS.

IF THEY MEET THEIR BURDEN OF PROOF.

SO IN THOSE INSTANCES, WE HAVE A MUCH DIFFERENT STANDARD, AND IT'S A STANDARD THAT YOU'LL SEE IN COURT.

IF YOU GO OVER TO DISTRICT OR SUPERIOR COURT WHERE YOU MIGHT SEE A JUDGE RECUSE HIM OR HERSELF, BECAUSE OF THE APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY, IF YOU SIT UP THERE LONG ENOUGH, YOU'LL SEE A JUDGE SAY, HEY, I KNOW THIS PERSON, THEY'RE MY NEIGHBOR.

OR I GO TO CHURCH WITH THEM.

I'M GONNA RECUSE MYSELF AND HAVE ANOTHER JUDGE HERE.

THIS CASE, THAT STANDARD APPLIES AT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT BECAUSE IT'S MORE LIKE A JUDICIAL PROCESS THAT SUBSECTION D DOESN'T APPLY TO YOU, SUBSECTION A APPLIES TO YOU.

AND THAT APPLIES WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH A LAND USE MATTER.

AND REALLY THE ONLY ONE THAT COMES BEFORE YOU ARE REZONINGS SUBDIVISIONS ARE, ARE TAKEN CARE OF ON OUR TECHNICAL BOARD.

THAT'S THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.

UM, SO THE ONLY THING THAT COMES BEFORE YOU UNDER ONE 60 D 1 0 9 A ARE THE REZONINGS AND THAT PROVIDES THAT YOU HAVE THE OBLIGATION TO VOTE, UNLESS YOU HAVE A FAMILIAR BUSINESS OR ASSOCIATIONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SUBJECT MATTER, FAMILY IS DEFINED.

THAT'S GREAT, VERY HELPFUL.

AND YOU GUYS HAVE PROBABLY READ THAT SECTION.

YOU SEE WHAT IT MEANS.

THAT'S NEW IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, THAT WHOLE SECOND SENTENCE OF, OF, OF 1 0 9 A IS NEW IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS FOR DECADES AND DECADES, WE ONLY HAD THE FIRST SENTENCE THAT YOU COULDN'T VOTE ON SOMETHING TO YOUR DIRECT PERSONAL BENEFIT.

UM, NOW WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE DIRECTION AND IT TELLS US WHAT FAMILY MEANS BUSINESS WERE LEFT TO COMMON SENSE.

UM, AND THEN WE HAVE THIS ASSOCIATIONAL RELATIONSHIP AND IN NORTH CAROLINA, WE DON'T HAVE ANY STATUTORY GUIDANCE AS TO WHAT THAT MEANS.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY CASE LAW AS TO WHAT THAT MEANS, BUT IN LOOKING AROUND THE COUNTRY, WE FIND SEVERAL CASES THAT TELL US, UM, IN ONE STATE, AN ASSOCIATIONAL RELATIONSHIP COULD BE BEING A MEMBER OF A NONPROFIT THAT COMES BEFORE YOU.

UM, IN ANOTHER CASE, WE HAVE A PHYSICIAN PATIENT RELATIONSHIP WHERE A PATIENT OF A DOCTOR WHO'S SERVING AS PUBLIC OFFICIAL HAS A REZONING.

AND IN THAT CASE, THE COURT CONCLUDED, THAT'S AN ASSOCIATIONAL RELATIONSHIP THAT CAN EXCUSE YOU FROM VOTING.

AND, AND THEN LAST ONE I FOUND IS, UH, BEING A MEMBER OF A CHURCH THAT COMES BEFORE YOU.

SO USING THOSE COMMON SENSICAL ANALOGIES TO THE PRESENT CASE WHERE THE MAYOR AT THE TIME THE APPLICATION WAS STARTED WAS A MANAGER.

I WOULD VIEW THAT MUCH LIKE BEING A MEMBER OF A NONPROFIT, BEING A MEMBER OF A CHURCH SO THAT THERE IS AN ASSOCIATIONAL RELATIONSHIP, EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T EXIST TONIGHT.

I THINK SINCE IT STARTS, SINCE THERE WAS THAT RELATIONSHIP IN PLACE, WHEN THE ZONING MATTER, WENT TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AND FINE IF YOU WANTED TO EXCUSE THE MAYOR FROM VOTING TONIGHT.

AND IF YOU WANTED TO DO THAT, SOMEONE

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WOULD MAKE THAT MOTION AND THE BOARD WOULD DISCUSS IT QUESTIONS AS TO ALL OF THAT.

OH, ATTORNEY DAVIS.

SO CAN YOU DEFINE FOR ME PLEASE? WHAT, AND, AND I KNOW WE READ IT, BUT, UM, FOR THE PUBLIC SAKE, WHAT DOES FAMILY CONSIST OF FAMILY MEMBERS? YES, MA'AM, UM, FAMILY IS GOING TO PICK UP, UM, YOUR SPOUSE, YOUR PARENT, YOUR CHILD, BROTHER, SISTER, GRANDPARENT, OR GRANDCHILD, AND THOSE INCLUDE STEPS, HALVES, AND IN-LAWS OF ALL OF THOSE RELATIONSHIPS.

SO IF MY BROTHER, I JUST WANNA GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF, SO IF MY BROTHER-IN-LAW WANTS TO, UM, HAVE A PIECE OF PROPERTY REZONE, UM, THEN I SHOULD ASK THE BOARD TO RECUSE ME FROM VOTING ON THAT ISSUE ON THAT REZONING.

YES MA'AM EXACTLY.

SO THEN UM, WELL, AND THE REASON WHY I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE THAT HAPPENED TO ME WHEN MY BROTHER-IN-LAW WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF WANTING TO BUILD HIS HOUSE, BUT I WAS NOT AWARE OF THE FACT THAT THAT'S WHAT WE, AS A BOARD WERE SUPPOSED TO DO.

MA'AM.

AND I COULD, SO MOVING FORWARD NOW THAT I KNOW YES.

UM, WHEN IN DOUBT REACH OUT, BUT, BUT TO, TO TAKE SOME PRESSURE OFF YOU THAT LAW'S ONLY BEEN IN PLACE FOR THE LAST YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF.

OH, OKAY.

PRIOR TO THAT, WE HAD A MUCH NARROWER LAW THAT REALLY WAS, WAS TYPICALLY INTERPRETED AS YOU AND YOUR SPOUSE.

SO WHATEVER HAPPENED IS FINE.

WELL, THAT'S GOOD.

AT LEAST NOW I KNOW I WON'T GO TO JAIL.

NO, MA'AM OKAY.

UH, I JUST WANTED THAT TO BE EXPLAINED.

UM, IN YOUR INVESTIGATION AND CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS COUNCIL, DID YOU FIND WHERE THE MAYOR HAD ANY, UM, ISSUES OR ANY, UH, REASONABLE, UH, INTEREST IN THIS PROPERTY? NO, SIR.

I, THE ATTORNEY, UH, CONFIRMS TO ME THAT HE, AT NO POINT IN THE HISTORY OF THE ENTITY HAD AN OWNERSHIP INTEREST IN THE ENTITY.

UH, AND SO YOU DON'T FIND ANY REASON WHY HE SHOULD BE RECUSED FROM THE, THE ONLY, NOT FOR THE BUSINESS ASSOCIATION, BUT FOR THE ASSOCIATIONAL RELATIONSHIP.

THE FACT THAT AT THE TIME, THE APPLICATION WENT TO P AND Z IN THE LAST FOUR TO SIX WEEKS, HE WAS SERVING AS THE MANAGER AT THAT TIME.

UM, UM, AND I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT IS ENOUGH OF AN ASSOCIATIONAL RELATIONSHIP THAT IF YOU WANTED TO, UM, YOU COULD EXCUSE IT FOR VOTING.

WHAT WOULD YOUR RECOMMENDATION BE ON THIS? I WOULD LEAVE IT TO YOU.

I THINK YOU'RE SAFE TO EXCUSE THE MAYOR FROM VOTING.

THERE ARE TIMES WHERE I WOULD SAY ABSOLUTELY NOT THAT PUBLIC OFFICIAL SHOULD NOT VOTE.

THIS ONE IS IN THAT AREA WHERE TONIGHT THE MAYOR DOES, WE CANNOT CHECK ALL THE BOXES ON THAT STATUTE AS WE SIT HERE TONIGHT.

HOWEVER, THE FACT THAT IT STARTED A MONTH OR TWO AGO AT P AND Z, I I THINK PUTS ENOUGH COLOR ON IT.

UM, THAT I WOULD BE VERY COMFORTABLE IF THE BOARD EXCUSED, THE MAYOR FROM VOTING WELL, THEN I'LL MAKE THE MOTION THAT THE, WE RECUSE THE MAYOR, EXCUSE THE MAYOR FROM VOTING ON THIS, UM, PARTICULAR RESIGN.

WE HAVE A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND, HAVE A SECOND.

UH, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

UH, ALL, ANY OPPOSED? OKAY.

SO ARE WE GOOD TO MOVE ON WITH PUBLIC HEARING? YES, SIR.

I HAD IN MIND THAT I'D BE LIVING IN A MORE BEDROOM NEIGHBORHOOD THAT PRIORITIZED COMMUNITY.

AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ANYONE WHO HAS COMMENTS FOR OR AGAINST THE REQUESTED REZONING.

PLEASE COME TO THE MIC, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

HI, MY NAME IS JENNIFER LAVELL.

MY ADDRESS IS ONE 11 WESTWOOD COURT.

I AM A RESIDENT IN CRAYBURN FORCE AND HAVE BEEN SINCE 2016.

AND BEFORE I GO INTO WHAT I PREPARED, I REALLY ELY WANT TO ADD TODAY IN CONVERSATION WITH A LOT OF OUR NEIGHBORS, SOMETHING THAT HAS COME UP A TON IS WHY ARE YOU GOING? WHY YOU'RE NOT GONNA MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE BOARD'S DECISION THEY'VE ALREADY GOT THEIR MIND MADE UP.

WELL, I AM THE HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER.

SOMETHING I TRY TO TELL MY STUDENTS ALL THE TIME IS UNLESS YOU ARE WILLING TO SPEAK UP, YOU CAN NEVER EXPECT CHANGE.

SO THAT IS WHY I'M HERE TONIGHT.

I WILL NOT DENY THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN NEW BERN IS A GREAT NEED AS A PARENT OF SOON TO BE THREE CHILDREN AND A TEACHER MARRIED TO ANOTHER PUBLIC SERVANT.

A HOME THAT IS PRICED AT OVER $200,000 IS JUST NOT AFFORDABLE.

HOWEVER, IN MOVING TO THIS COMMUNITY,

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WHEN THE DEVELOPER SPEAKS AT RESIDENTIAL, UM, MEETINGS ANNUALLY, HE CONTINUES TO MAINTAIN THAT THIS IS PRIORITY.

HE STATES HE'S VESTED IN OUR COMMUNITY, BUT I'LL BE HONEST.

MANY OF US QUESTION HIS ABILITY TO TRU TRULY DO SO WHEN HIS PRIMARY RESIDENCE IS IN THE PHILIPPINES PER THE ARTICLE, AND WE ARE NOW, IT STATES THE PLAN IS TO GROW THIS COMMUNITY BY ANOTHER 600 HOMES.

THIS ZONING REQUEST PER THE ZONING ORDINANCE WILL LOWER THE SIZE REQUIREMENTS FOR LOTS STACKING HOMES.

ON TOP OF ONE ANOTHER.

THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT THE CURRENT PHASE OF HAS CREATED DISCORD OVER OCCUR.

ADDITIONALLY, IT DOES STATE THAT MOBILE HOMES AND MOBILE HOME PARKS COULD BE PERMITTED AND WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE STANDARDS, DESCRIBED AND SECTIONS 15 DASH 1 64 AND 15 DASH 1 65, AS WELL AS MULTIPLE FAMILY UNITS.

AND SPEAKING WITH MANY OF MY FELLOW NEIGHBORS, WE ARE CONCERNED FOR SUCH A BROAD PROSPECT FOR THE FUTURE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

AS NONE OF THESE ARE FITTING WITH THE BILL OF GOODS WE WERE SOLD WHEN BUILDING OR MOVING INTO THIS COMMUNITY, IT CONTINUES TO DEMONSTRATE TO US THAT MR MCCALL'S PRIORITIES ARE NOT FOR THE BEST INTEREST OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AND COMMUNITY, BUT SOLELY HAS LOWER.

I CONCERN MYSELF AND MANY OTHERS HAVE WITH THIS RESENTING REQUEST IS ADDITIONALLY THE CURRENT CONDITION OF TRENT CREEK ROAD.

WHILE I UNDERSTAND THE DESIRE TO NOT POUR MORE MONEY INTO A ROAD THAT IS SLATED TO BECOME SOMETHING ELSE BY THE STATE.

THIS PROJECT IS A CAN THAT HAS BEEN KICKED DOWN THE ROAD.

AND FOR THE RESEARCH WITH NC D O T, I FOUND THAT THE STATE IS IN NEGOTIATIONS FOR RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE REMAINING TWO SECTIONS OF ROAD.

HOWEVER, THEY HAVE ASSURED ME, THIS IS NOT A QUICK PROCESS.

I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THAT THE DEVELOPER BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE IMPROVEMENTS TO ALL OF TRENT CREEK ROAD AND TURN OVER ANY ROADS TO NC D O T CITY OF NEW BERN BEFORE PUTTING CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC AND ANOTHER ESTIMATED 600 PLUS CARS ONTO IT.

ADDITIONALLY, INGRESS AND EGRESS OF TRAFFIC FROM 17 TO TRENT CREEK ROAD AND INTO THE SUBDIVISION IS OF GREAT CONCERN UNTIL THE 43 CONNECTORS COMPLETE.

I HAVE MAJOR CONCERNS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO FUNNEL 1300 PLUS CARS WHEN YOU CONSIDER ARCADIA VILLAGE.

AND THEN NOW PROPOSE 600 PLUS CARS INTO CRAYBURN ONTO ONE ROAD DAILY.

WE'VE ALREADY EXPRESSED MAJOR ISSUES WITH OUR CURRENT NUMBER OF RESIDENTS OFFICE ROAD, MOVING FROM TRENT CREEK ROAD ONTO 17.

I THINK SAFETY NEEDS TO BE FURTHER LOOKED INTO BEFORE ADDING MORE CARS TO THE SINGLE ENTRANCE AND EXIT.

ADDITIONALLY, I BELIEVE OUR CITY IS CURRENTLY WORKING TO ADDRESS SOME DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE OFF OF CITY OWNED ROADS.

BUT AGAIN, THIS HAS NOT BEEN RESOLVED.

AND HONESTLY, THE ATTEMPTS HAVE BEEN SUB PART BEST.

IF YOU DRIVE THROUGH OUR SUBDIVISION, YOU'LL SEE CUTS THE GRASS, SOME FLOWING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION FOR APPROPRIATE DRAINAGE.

WHEN WE HAVE SUSTAINED RAINS, LIKE WE HAD THIS WEEKEND, THERE WERE NOTHING MORE THAN MUD HITS.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE PLAN IS IN PLACE WITH ENVIRONMENTAL AND ZONING REGULATIONS, BUT I DO FEEL THAT BETTER DRAINAGE, ESPECIALLY AS WE CREATE MORE IMPERVIOUS AREAS NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AT THE END OF THE DAY.

I'M VERY AWARE THAT MONEY TALKS.

OUR DEVELOPER SEEMS TO HAVE THAT IN MIND, AND THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE AND WHO CAN BLAME HIM.

HE'S A BUSINESS MAN, AND HE IS NOT HERE REGULARLY TO SEE AND ADDRESS THE ONGOING ISSUES IN HIS COMMUNITIES THAT HE HAS DEVELOPED, DESPITE HIS CONNECTIONS, UM, TO OUR COMMUNITY, THIS DEVELOPMENT SHOULD RECEIVE NO DIFFERENT OR SPECIAL ATTENTION.

I'VE HEARD FROM A FEW NEIGHBORS.

AS I SAID ABOUT WHAT IS THE POINT OF COMING HERE TONIGHT? THEY FEEL THAT THIS VOTE IS A FOREGONE CONCLUSION.

I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE A RIGHT TO VOTE FOR OUR ALDERMAN.

WE HAVE A RIGHT, A RIGHT TO COME AND EXPRESS OUR CONCERNS TO Y'ALL.

AND I ASK, AS YOU CONSIDER THIS FINE, YOU CONSIDER IT AS IF YOU LIVED IN OUR COMMUNITY.

WE ARE VERY TIGHT KNIT.

WE LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

WE ALWAYS TRY TO DO RIGHT BY EACH OTHER.

IF THERE IS A WAY TO DELAY THIS VOTE FOR TONIGHT, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO COME OVER AND WALK IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE HAVE SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WALKERS HERE WITH US TONIGHT, PONDER WHAT AN ADDITIONAL 600 HOMES AND SUBSEQUENT TRAFFIC WOULD MEAN TO FAMILIES WITH SMALL CHILDREN WHO ENJOY RIDING THEIR BIKES, OUR OLDER RESIDENTS WHO TAKE SOLACE AND KNOWING THEY CAN WALK IN A RELATIVE SAFETY WITHOUT A TON OF TRAFFIC AND A COMMUNITY WHERE NEIGHBORS CAN COME TOGETHER AND MAKE GREAT THINGS HAPPEN.

THANK YOU, MISS MR. DAVIS, COULD YOU CLARIFY, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S A TIME LIMIT DURING A PUBLIC HEARING, IS THAT CORRECT? NO, SIR.

MOST RECENT WHEN WE HAD THE SUMMER, WHEN, UM, REZONING REQUEST CAME UP, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE DESIRE FOR 600 MORE HOMES INTO TWO PHASES.

KATHY ROBINSON, WILLY K TWO 10 CRAFTSMAN DRIVE.

UM, WE'VE LIVED IN CRE FOREST FOR FOUR YEARS AND, UM, WHENEVER POSSIBLE WE ALWAYS GO INTO THE HOMEOWNER'S MEETINGS.

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WE WERE NOT AWARE UNTIL RECENTLY IN THE LAST SEVERAL DAYS, ACTUALLY THAT OUR SIX INCLUDED A LOT OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, UM, THINGS THAT WOULD BRING MULTIFAMILY, APARTMENTS, TONS OF THINGS THAT WE WERE NOT AWARE OF.

UM, AT THE VERY LEAST I WOULD ASK FOR MORE TIME SO THAT OUR COMMUNITY CAN BE MADE AWARE OF WHAT EXACTLY CHANGING TO AN R SIX WOULD MEAN.

PART OF THAT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THE MAP THAT YOU HAD UP THERE, UM, ONE SMALL PART THAT'S ALREADY R 10, THAT'S REQUESTED TO BE R SIX.

WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT LEFT AS R 10 AND NOT CHANGE THE DENSITY ON THOSE UNITS AND MAKING THE AF FIVE AND THE A F ALSO BE R 10 AND KEEPING WITH OUR CURRENT NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, LAYOUT SAFETY IS, UH, ALSO A CONCERN FOR ME.

MY HUSBAND IS DISABLED.

YOU CAN'T RIDE BIKES ON SIDEWALK, SO HE HAS TO RIDE RECUMBENT AND YOU HAVE TO RIDE THOSE ON, ON THE STREET.

THE ADDITION OF ALL THIS EXTRA TRAFFIC, UM, MAKES US A REAL CONCERN TO OUR FAMILY.

AND SO WE WOULD ASK FOR Y'ALL TO CONSIDER MAKING BOTH OF THOSE R 10 INSTEAD OF R SIX AND ALLOWING A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME FOR COMMUNITY INPUT FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

THEN NOW THAT PEOPLE ARE AWARE, IT INCLUDES THOSE ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL THINGS THAT WE WERE NOT AWARE OF.

THANK YOU, MATT.

COULD SCOTT, UH, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE FOR STAFF TO SHOW THE PERMITTED USES AGAIN? I THINK THAT MIGHT HELP GET EVERYBODY ON THE SAME PAGE.

AND ALSO, JUST TO CLARIFY ON THE FIRST QUESTION OR CONCERN TRAILERS ARE NOT MOBILE HOMES ARE NOT PERMITTED IN THE CITY OF NORN, IS THAT CORRECT? NO, SIR.

MANUFACTURED HOMES.

THE CLASS B, WHICH ARE THE DOUBLE WIDE ARE ALLOWED IN THE, UH, A FIVE AND R SIX.

SO IT WOULD BE, CAN YOU SPEAK INTO THE MIC PLEASE POINTING IN R SIX, SORRY, SORRY.

THE CLASS B MOBILE HOME, WHICH IS A MINIMUM OF TWO PIECES AT MINIMUM OF 20 FEET WIDE.

IT'S COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS A DOUBLE WIDE.

THOSE ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT.

AND A FIVE ARE 20 AND R SIX.

DID YOU SAY THEY ARE ALLOWED? THEY ARE ALLOWED.

SO BE CLEAR, NO COMMERCIAL ALLOWED THAN AN R SIX, NO COMMERCIAL ALLOWED IN R SIX.

THEY'RE PERMITTED BY RIGHT.

THEY'RE THEY'RE ALLOWED NOW.

AND THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED IF THERE WAS A CHANGE TO R SIX, SETH, I THINK IT WAS ALSO A QUESTION ABOUT MULTI MULTIFAMILY.

RIGHT? SO SORRY.

SO WITH OUR SIX, UH, MULTI-FAMILY IS ALLOWED, WHEREAS UNDER OUR A FIVE, IT IS NOT THE TABLE, A FIVE, IF IT'S BY IT'S A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

SO IT WON'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE FOR YOU IT'S YEAH, JUST TO BE CLEAR.

MULTIFAMILY IS ALLOWED THEN AN R SIX AND IT'S ALLOWED IN AN A FIVE F SO AGAIN, NO CHANGE IN THE USE.

AND COULD YOU CLARIFY THE QUESTION ABOUT COMMERCIAL THAT'S ALLOWED IN R SIX? NO, NO, HARDLY ANY COMMERCIAL IN ANY OF THE, ANY OF THE RESIDENTIAL? COLLEEN, COULD YOU GO TO THE SLIDE THAT, THAT SHOWED? I THINK THERE WAS HIT THE TABLE RIGHT THERE.

SO FOR, FOR OUR SIX, YOU'VE GOT THE ONLY THING IN COMMERCIALLY, LIKE LIBRARY.

CAN YOU SPEAK UP PLEASE? SORRY.

UM, YOU'VE GOT A, A, A FEW LIMITED USES, LIKE INSTITUTIONAL, YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ALLOWED IN, UM, RECREATIONAL, UM, RECREATIONAL COMMERCIAL BEYOND A PROBABLY OWNED RECREATIONAL FACILITIES, LIKE A GOLF COURSE AND PUBLICLY OWNED, UM, OUTSIDE NURSING CARE INSTITUTION TO SPECIAL USE SMALL BUSINESS.

WHY POLICE STATIONS, FIRE STATION RESCUE SQUAD UTILITIES, TELECOMMUNICATION TOWER, CEMETERY TO SPECIAL USE THAT'S IT R SIX IS A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.

SO,

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OTTUM INVEST.

WE'RE STILL IN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

DID YOU WANT TO COMMERCIAL? NO, I WAS JUST GETTING YOU ATTENTION.

I'LL ASK WHAT IS CONSIDERED COMMERCIAL.

IF THIS IS SHOWING NURSING CARE INSTITUTIONS EMERGE CHURCHES, WHAT IS WHAT Y'ALL CONSIDER COMMERCIAL? SO THE, THE QUESTION IS THE QUESTION IS WHAT IS CONSIDERED COMMERCIAL? CAUSE THESE USES ARE NOT CONSIDERED COMMERCIAL.

WELL, I MEAN, I THINK SOME OF THAT'S UP FOR INTERPRETATION, BUT WE HAVE LISTED UNDER OFFICE.

LET'S GO THROUGH IT FOR, UM, THE FIRST CATEGORY ARE SALES AND RENTAL OF GOODS.

NONE OF THOSE ARE AVAILABLE.

NONE OF THOSE ARE IN R SIX.

THAT'S THE SALES GOODS RETAIL.

SO YOU DON'T HAVE ANY KIND OF RETAIL OPTIONS IN R SIX DOWN TO OFFICE.

YOU CAN HAVE A GOVERNMENT OFFICE, OTHERWISE THAT'S IT? NO OTHER OFFICES, NO PRIVATE REAL ESTATE OFFICE, NO MEDICAL OFFICE MOVING NEXT MANUFACTURING.

SO INDUSTRIAL USES THERE'S.

NONE OF THOSE ALLOW EDUCATIONAL CULTURAL, RELIGIOUS ELEMENTARY AND SECONDARY SCHOOLS ARE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT CHURCH IN SYNAGOGUES, ET CETERA, ARE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT THROUGH THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.

MOVING ON THOSE, THE LIBRARIES ARE ALLOWED TO ESPECIALLY USE PERMIT.

AS WE SAID BEFORE, UM, UNDER RECREATION AMUSEMENT ENTERTAINMENT IN FAR SIX PRIVATELY OWNED OUTSIDE RECREATIONAL FACILITIES, SUCH AS GOLF COURSE, COUNTRY CLUB, ETCETERA ARE ALLOWED PUBLICLY OWNED AND OPERATED OUTDOOR RECREATIONAL FACILITIES, FIELDS, GOLF COURSES, ET CETERA.

THOSE ARE ALLOWED MOVING ON TO INSTITUTIONAL RESIDENTIAL NURSING CARE INSTITUTIONS, INTERMEDIATE CARE INSTITUTIONS, HANDICAPPED FIRM.

THOSE ARE ALLOWED BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, NO RESTAURANTS, NO MOTOR VEHICLE RELATED STUFF, NO STORAGE, NO PRIMARY STORAGE, WHICH IS MANY STORAGE, ET CETERA.

EMERGENCY SERVICES ARE ALLOWED BY SPECIALTY PERMIT, POLICE, FIRE RESCUE SQUAD, AGRICULTURAL MINING, NONE OF THAT'S ALLOWED, UH, MISCELLANEOUS PUBLIC AND SEMI-PUBLIC FACILITIES.

NONE OF THOSE ARE ALLOWED DOWN INTO TOWERS.

REC UTILITIES ARE ALLOWED TO SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

COMMUNICATION TOWERS ARE ALLOWED.

CEMETERY IS ALLOWED TO A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, TEMPORARY STRUCTURES INVOLVED WITH A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.

NURSERY SCHOOLS ARE A SPECIALTY PERMIT AND THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

MAYBE, MAYBE THIS THOUGHT WILL HELP.

AND I, I NEED STAFF TO JUST VERIFY MY THINKING ON THIS, CUZ WE'RE TRYING TO DEDUCE WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE WITH WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN AN A FIVE VERSUS CONVERTING TO AN R SIX CHURCHES ARE ALLOWED IN EVERY ZONE IN THE CITY BY FEDERAL LAW.

UM, NURSING CARE INSTITUTIONS ARE ALLOWED IN A FIVE S AND R SIX S THERE'S NO CHANGE THERE.

EMERGENCY SERVICE SAN FOR A FIVE R SIX.

I BELIEVE THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT IN AN A FIVE LOTS CANNOT BE 6,000 SQUARE FEET.

AM I RIGHT DUE DO YEAH.

THE MINIMUM, UM, FIVE ACRES OR FIVE ACRES OR, OR R 20.

I WAS THINK IT WAS R 25.

OUR 20 IS THE 20,000 SQUARE FOOT, A FIVE AND A FIVE EFFORT, UM, FIVE ACRE WISE.

SO IN AN A FIVE, YOU CAN HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, BUT IT HAS TO BE ON FIVE ACRES, A FARM SMALL PART IN AN R SIX.

YOU'LL HAVE 6,000 SQUARE FOOT, LOTS LIKE THE ZONING OF THE CURRENT ADJOINING SUBDIVISION.

THAT'S THE REAL DIFFERENCE.

THANK YOU, STAFF.

WE'LL GET BACK TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I BELIEVE SOMEONE WAS ON THE WAY UP.

CAN I SEE SOMETHING WITH ALL DUE RESPECT? DID THE MAYOR RECUSE HIMSELF OR DID I HEAR THAT WRONG? YES.

OR, OR I'VE BEEN RECUSED FROM THE VOTE.

IS THERE A REASON WHY YOU'RE PARTICIPATING IN THE CONVERSATION? I, MY, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, I THOUGHT HE WAS NO, NO, MA'AM THE BOARD EXCUSED HIM FROM VOTING ON THE ISSUE.

HE'S SO THEY, SO HE'S CHAIRING THE MEETING.

HE'S CHAIRING THIS MEETING, BUT HE IS NOT GOING TO VOTE.

HE'S BEEN EXCUSED FROM VOTING ON THE SUBSTANCE OF THE QUESTION.

I, I'M JUST ASKING, CUZ I'VE WATCHED OTHER COUNCIL CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS ACROSS NORTH CAROLINA AND THE PERSON THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BEED.

THEY, THEY SIT IN THE AUDIENCE AND THEY DON'T PARTICIPATE IN DISCUSSION BECAUSE IT COULD INFLUENCE THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS.

IS THAT NOT SOME, SOME, SOME DO THAT, BUT, BUT ON THIS ISSUE, THE MAYORS CHI GONNA CHAIR THE MEETING,

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BUT NOT VOTE ON THENCE.

APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, MY NAME'S BRANDON MCCULLOUGH.

HI THERE.

I'M ACTUALLY, UM, THE DAUGHTER OF THE, THAT YOU SPEAKING ABOUT, UM, HE COULD NOT BE HERE THIS EVENING.

UM, HE IS ACTUALLY VERY SICK.

UM, JUST SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS MEETING, BRANDY, COULD YOU GIVE YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE? SURE, ABSOLUTELY.

I'M A PROUD CITIZEN OF WARD THREE, MR. ASTRAS WARD, UH, 2000 SNAPPER STREET.

DEVELOPMENT'S A HIGHLY MATURE DEVELOPMENT.

IN BLUE WATER EYES.

UM, I'M JUST GONNA KEEP THIS VERY SHORT, UM, TO THE POINT.

UM, BUT MY FAMILY'S BUSINESS, UH, FATHER'S BUSINESS, UM, HAS BEEN IN THE EXISTENCE SINCE I WAS ABOUT FOUR YEARS OLD.

AND IN THAT TIME THAT BUSINESS IS RESPONSIBLE FOR BUILDING ALMOST 700 AFFORDABLE HOMES WITHIN THE CITY OVER 700.

SO THAT BEING SAID, WHEN YOU LOOK AT CRAYBURN FOREST AND WHEN WE'RE ASKING THE ALTMAN AFFORDABLE ALTMAN TO JUST CONSIDER THIS REQUEST, WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR REZONING.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT STREETS, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT SIDEWALKS.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THOSE MATTERS.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AT THE 50,000 FOOT LEVEL.

CAN WE TALK ABOUT REZONING? BECAUSE THE MAIN ISSUE HERE THAT IF MY FATHER WAS HERE RIGHT NOW, I KNOW THAT HE WOULD BLESS THESE WORDS AND I KNOW HE'S WATCHING RIGHT NOW.

THE MAIN ISSUE IS THIS.

DO YOU WANT A BIG BOX STORE TO BE PUT BACK THERE? DO YOU WANT A COMMERCIAL, ANY KIND OF, YOU KNOW, MASSIVE COMMERCIAL COMPLEX TO BE PUT THERE.

WE WANT TO FOCUS ON RESIDENTIAL ONLY.

THAT'S THE END GOAL.

IT'S JUST MORE OF THE SAME, UM, WITH CRAVER FOREST, BASICALLY TO COPY AND PASTE CRAVER FOREST, AS IT IS AND DO THE SAME THING, UM, WITH WHATEVER DEVELOPER MIGHT TAKE THAT FORWARD, UM, CRAVER FOREST FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, THAT WAS A 14 YEAR.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT WHICHEVER DEVELOPER OR BUILDER GOES IN.

UM, YOU KNOW, THROWING UP A TON OF HOUSES IMMEDIATELY.

CRAYBURN FORCE HAS BEEN HERE FOR 14 YEARS AND IT'S GROWN TO 300 HOMES OVER THAT TIME.

THE NEXT TWO PHASES PHASE THREE AND PHASE FOUR, THEY WOULD BE ANOTHER 300, UM, PER PHASE.

SO THAT BEING SAID, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER BUILDER COMING IN, THROWING UP HOMES OVERNIGHT.

WE'RE JUST SAYING SUSTAINABLE GROWTH TO ANSWER THE ISSUE OF THE NEED FOR HOUSING IN NEW BERN.

I CANNOT SAY THE WORD RESIDENTIAL, RESIDENTIAL, RESIDENTIAL ENOUGH.

I CANNOT SAY THAT WORD.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST.

YOU GO.

HI.

MY NAME IS DONNA FITZGERALD OUT LIVE AT FIVE 13.

YOUR NAMESAKE OEM LANE.

WE MOVED HERE LESS, UH, WELL YEAR AGO THIS YEAR AND WE MOVED FROM VIRGINIA FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF THE QUIET, UM, STREETS OF CRAYBURN FOREST, NOT THE BUSY GROWTH THAT THAT'S BEEN IN VIRGINIA.

UM, IN ADDRESSING THIS YOUNG LADY, IF IT'S JUST RESIDENTIAL, THEN WHY ISN'T IT JUST BEING ASKED FOR R 10, WHICH DOES NOT INCLUDE MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENTS.

IT GOT WEST NEWBURN GOING UP.

THERE'S A LOT OF GROWTH FOR HOUSING AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT EITHER R 10 OR STAY AS IT IS.

THAT'S ALL.

LEAST R 10 UNTIL SOME OTHER ROAD SIDEWALK MANAGEMENT CAN BE DEALT WITH.

I'M ANNIE FAREN AND I LIVE AT 4 0 9.

ELSMORE MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE BEEN IN GREGORY FOREST FOR ABOUT FOUR, ALMOST FIVE YEARS NOW.

AGAIN, WE'VE LIVED IN CHARLOTTE, BIG CITY.

WE'VE LIVED IN PCO COUNTY FOR 14 YEARS OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WOODS AND ON A CREEK.

AND WHEN WE GOT TO THE POINT IN OUR LIVES THAT WE ARE NOW, WE CHOSE CRAVEN FOREST BECAUSE OF IT QUITE MULTIRACIAL, MULTICULTURAL MULTIGENERATIONAL, WHATEVER NEIGHBORHOODS, WALKING ON THE STREETS, WALKING BICYCLE RIDING.

AND IF THIS CHANGES TO R SIX, INSTEAD OF THE R 10, THAT IT IS CURRENTLY, IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THAT WHOLE AREA.

AND RIGHT NOW THERE WAS ONE BAD TRAFFIC ACCIDENT.

ONE OUT ON 17 WHERE TR DEAD ENDS AND THERE WAS NO WAY FOR ANY OF US TO GET OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THAT WHOLE AREA WAS BLOCKED.

WE CAN'T AFFORD TO ADD MORE HOUSES, MORE WHATEVERS UNTIL SOME OF THIS SITUATION IS ADDRESSED FOR PROBABLY ALMOST AN HOUR AND A HALF.

PEOPLE COULDN'T GET INTO THEIR HOMES AND WE COULDN'T GET OUT.

PLEASE RECONSIDER THIS R SIX SITUATION AND PLEASE LEAVE IT FOR OUR AT

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MY NAME'S MARILYN BOK.

I LIVE AT 3 0 2 BUNGALOW DRIVE IN CRAYBURN FOREST.

I AGREE WITH ALL THAT'S BEING SAID HERE, AND I URGE YOU TO VOTE NO ON THIS REZONING PATRICK'S DAUGHTER SAYS RESIDENTIAL, RESIDENTIAL, RESIDENTIAL, BUT IF IT'S REZONED WHAT'S TO STOP PATRICK'S FROM SELLING IT TO A DIFFERENT DEVELOPER AND HAVING HIM BRING ALL OF THIS STUFF IN TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE WANT KEEP QUIET.

UM, THREE YEARS AGO, PATRICK TOLD US BEHIND BUNGALOW DRIVE.

HE WAS GOING TO BE BUILDING TWO BEDROOM, SINGLE LEVEL PATIO HOMES.

HE TURNS AROUND AND SELLS THE PROPERTY.

THE DEVELOPER IS NOW PUT UP 27, 2 STORY, THREE BEDROOM HOMES.

THE ONE THAT'S RIGHT BEHIND US GIVES US THREE FEET BETWEEN OUR PROPERTY LINES.

SO I'M REALLY URGING YOU TO TABLE THIS AND GIVE IT MUCH, MUCH MORE CONSIDERATION.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR SETH.

SETH, LET ME ASK YOU DURING DEPARTMENTAL REVIEW, WILL YOU LOOK FOR, UM, ADDITIONAL MEANS OF EGRESS OUT OF THIS AREA RIGHT NOW? THE RIGHT NOW THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES ONE.

I'M SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN RIGHT NOW.

THE ORDINANCE ONLY REQUIRES ONE ACCESS, ALL NEW SUBDIVIDED, LOTS HAVE GOTTA ACCESS A PUBLIC STREET.

THERE'S NO MINIMUM OF TWO OR SPACING BETWEEN THEM.

NOW I DO KNOW THAT THE, THIS PROPERTY IS ANTICIPATED TO HAVE PERHAPS TWO, UH, ON RAMPS ONTO THE NEW 43.

OF COURSE THE 43 IS NOT BUILT YET, BUT I THINK YOU'RE ULTIMATELY GONNA HAVE PERHAPS THREE WAYS IN AND OUT IN THE FUTURE.

HAVE A QUESTION.

YES, MA'AM UH, I WANTED TO ASK ALDERMAN BRANSON HAD YOU HAVE, HAVE A CHANCE TO MEET WITH THE RESIDENTS AND DISCUSS SOME OF THESE CONCERNS.

I, I HAVE GOTTEN STATEMENTS FROM SOME OF THESE RESIDENTS.

IN FACT, SOME OF THE ONES THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT MM-HMM AND, UM, I, WE ARE STILL IN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SO I THINK, UH, WE SHOULDN'T DELIBERATE AT THIS TIME.

ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC HAVE COMMENTS? DIANA WHI BYER 2 25 VANDEN DRIVE, UM, FOR BOTH MR. OEM AND MR. BRINSON, MR. ODO, YOU AND I HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS BEFORE.

SO YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE ISSUES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD YOU'RE HELPING ME RIGHT NOW, DEAL WITH THAT WATER PROBLEM.

THE TWO PROBLEMS AT THE CORNER, I SAY THE CITY HAS BEEN GOOD.

WE'RE ALL KIND OF LOOKING AND WE CAN'T FIGURE HOW WATER CAN RUN UPHILL.

YOU'RE SEEING THAT TOO.

THAT HAS BEEN LIKE THAT.

WHEN YOU ARE AN OLDER PERSON, YOU'RE, NOW THAT HASN'T BEEN RESOLVED, WHY CAN ANYBODY TELL ME? I MEAN, I HAVE TRIED TO ADDRESS IT AND ADDRESS IT AND I DON'T REALLY GET ANY, WE CAN'T GET IT DONE.

WHY ANYBODY GOT ANY ANSWERS FOR ME? THIS IS WHAT WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT.

MORE WATER.

I WALK EVERY DAY, THE ONE CORNER I TOLD YOU, AND I UNDERSTAND IS PEOPLE CUTTING THE CORNER.

SO THERE'S A POTHOLE.

THE DRIVERS DO THAT, BUT THE STONES ARE ALL GOING UP ON THE SIDEWALK.

SO WE'VE GOT THE MOMS WITH THEIR STROLLERS.

WE GOT ME MATURE WALKING AND WE HAVE THE OTHER CORNER FULL OF WATER THAT I HAVE TO WALK IN THE STREET.

SO SOMETHING'S WRONG WITH THAT.

AND BEFORE YOU KEEP GOING FURTHER, MAYBE WE NEED TO FIX SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE THE, AND YOU KNOW, I'VE REACHED OUT TO YOU A LOT.

AND YOU KNOW, I'VE REACHED OUT TO YOU A LOT.

MA'AM, MM-HMM YEAH.

THE, THE WAY TACTFULLY.

I WASN'T GONNA SPEAK CUZ I NORMALLY DO BEHIND THE SCENES.

UM, BUT YOU LOOKED IN IT TOO.

ALL THIS DIGGING ALL THIS TIME SENT BY THE CITY FOR WATER TO GO UPHILL INTO THE PONDS.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU THAT NO, IT DOESN'T.

I THINK THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL DESIGN AND THE, THE WATERS SUPPOSED TO THE WAY IT WAS DESIGNED, THE WATER WAS SUPPOSED TO GO OVER THE SIDEWALK.

NOT SAYING THAT WAS A GREAT DESIGN.

WE MAY HAVE TO END UP TAKING A LOOK AT IT AND FIXING IT.

BUT THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL DESIGN.

UM, WELL WHAT'S HAPPENED AND SOMEBODY, IF YOU CAN CLARIFY WITH THIS, MY UNDERSTANDING AND I DON'T KNOW A LOT.

THEN I WAS TOLD SOMETHING CHANGED IN THAT, THAT THE CITY WOULD TAKE IT OVER.

UM, THE CITY BEFORE THEY TOOK OVER THE STREETS, CERTAIN ITEMS HAD TO BE MET.

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BUT IF SOMETHING NEEDS FIXED, THEY WOULD BUILD THE DEVELOPER, WHICH WOULD BE PATRICK.

DOES ANYBODY CAN TELL ME THAT? NO, I'M NOT, NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT.

MR. DAVIS, ARE YOU, SO IF THAT WASN'T FEASIBLE INITIALLY, WHY DID THE CITY TAKE OVER THE STREET? I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING.

I, I DUNNO, NO ANSWERS, RIGHT? I KNOW MR. OUM DIDN'T HAVE ANSWERS AT THE TIME, EITHER MR. UH, OMAN, BRANSON.

I'D BE HAPPY IF YOU WANNA MEET WITH STAFF ONE DAY AND WE CAN GO OUT THERE AND LOOK AT ALL THESE ISSUES.

AND I GET THE ONE WHERE THE DRIVERS ARE CUTTING OVER.

I GET THAT THAT'S EVERYWHERE.

UM, BUT THE OTHER ONE, IT JUST MAKES NO SENSE BECAUSE THE WATER RUNS DOWN.

I HAVE BEEN TOLD BY THE CITY BESIDES THIS, BECAUSE I HAVE A PONDING IN FRONT OF MY DRIVEWAY WHEN THE DEVELOPER DID FROM ONE PHASE TO ANOTHER, THEY DIDN'T CONNECT IT.

SO WHY WOULD THE CITY TAKE OVER THE STREET? IF IT WASN'T DONE RIGHT.

JUST SIMPLE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE BECAUSE I'M NOT GOING TO TELL ANYBODY HOW TO FIX IT.

I DON'T KNOW, BUT THINGS AREN'T RIGHT.

AND I'M ASKING FOR HELP FOR FIVE, SIX YEARS ON THAT ONE THING.

NOW, TWO DIFFERENT ELDER PEOPLE, PLEASE HELP.

ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENT? I'M SORRY.

I THOUGHT SOMETHING.

PLEASE COME SEE THE MICROPHONE AGAIN.

I THOUGHT OF ONE MORE THING AROUND THE STREET ISSUE WITH TRENT CREEK AND 17 RIGHT NOW TR CREEK CANNOT HANDLE ANY MORE TRAFFIC.

IT IS FULL OF POTHOLES AND PITS AND IT'S, IT'S NOT SAFE BECAUSE CONFESSION, MY HUSBAND ACTUALLY DROVE AROUND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD TO GO AROUND A POTHOLE, TO KEEP FROM DRIVING OUR CAR THROUGH A POTHOLE AND TRIP CREEK FROM START TO FINISH.

IS THAT BAD? A CONDITION BEFORE WE ADD MORE TRAFFIC, WE REALLY NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT ROAD, WHETHER IT'S THE 43 EXTENSION AND WE HAVE TO WAKE THE ROAD IS TERRIBLE.

AND HOPEFULLY SOME OF Y'ALL WILL COME OUT THERE AND DRIVE THE AREA AND REALIZE HOW BAD IT REALLY IS.

HAS ANYBODY REPORTED ALL THESE POTHOLES? YES.

HE'S AWARE.

I SPOKE WITH THEM YESTERDAY ACTUALLY.

AND THEY SAID THAT THEY WOULD SOMEBODY IT'S BOBBY AUTOMASTER.

THE ISSUE IS THAT THIS IT'S NOT A CITY OWN STREET.

OH, OKAY.

IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD.

IT'S OWNED BY THREE DIFFERENT.

I GOT OKAY.

THREE DIFFERENT ENTITIES, MORE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.

WHY DOES THE CITY FIX IT? IF THEY DON'T OWN IT? IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION, COULD YOU PLEASE COME UP TO MIKE? I, THAT WAS ANOTHER QUESTION.

I APOLOGIZE.

WHY DOES THE CITY FIX THE STREETS? CAUSE THEY DON'T OWN IT.

LIKE YOU SAY, TRY AND CREATE THAT'S THREE DIFFERENT PEOPLE OWN IT.

CORRECT.

SO WHEN YOU FILL POTHOLES, DO YOU BUILD THOSE PEOPLE THAT OWN THAT PART OF IT? WE DO IT AS A COURTESY TO THE RESIDENTS.

WE HAVE TO DRIVE THE STREET EVERY DAY OKAY.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS ON HOW THAT'S HANDLED.

SO THAT'S A LOT THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

UM, IF INDIVIDUALS OWN THE PROPERTY, IT'S THE CITY DOES IT AND I GET IT.

I CAN'T SPEAK HOW OFTEN IT HAPPENS IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY.

I JUST KNOW THAT I'VE HEARD FROM YOU AND MANY OTHERS FOR SEVERAL YEARS.

AND AS A COURTESY, THE FACT THAT THE CITY TRAVEL CITY RESIDENTS TRAVEL ON A PRIVATE ROAD, WE HAVE DONE THAT AND PROBABLY THE SAME REASON WE'RE ADDRESSING THE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS. I MEAN, IF THERE'S NO, UM, MORE, UM, PUBLIC COMMENTS, I LIKE TO, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE TO PUBLIC HEARING.

I HAVE A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? SECOND, SECOND, I HAVE A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR.

SAY AYE.

AYE, AYE, AYE BOARD.

SO A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

UH, ONE OF THEM, UH, REGARDING THE MOBILE HOME ASPECT, I THOUGHT I HEARD TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

SO I'D LIKE TO GET A CLARIFICATION.

SO THEY ARE ALLOWED AND ARE SIX.

BUT I THOUGHT I HEARD THAT THEY WERE NOT ALLOWED IN THE CITY OF NEW BRUN.

NO SINGLE WIDES.

THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED.

SINGLE WISES ARE NOT ALLOWED ANYWHERE ON OUTSIDE OF A MOBILE HOME PARK.

WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF, UM, IT BEING REMOVED AS FAR AS NEW INSTALLATIONS IN THE CITY OF NEWBURN, NO, SINGLE WISE, THE ONLY THING THAT ARE ALLOWED ARE THE CLASS B IS, UH, MENTIONED EARLIER THAT HAVE TO BE AT LEAST 20 FEET WIDE AND COMING TWO DIFFERENT PIECES, DOUBLE WIDE.

WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.

AND, AND HOW NOW, IF YOU'VE GOT AN EXISTING ONE, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO REPLACE IT, IF YOU DO.

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AND THEN THE MOBILE HOME PARKS THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE DESIGN REVIEW PROGRAM OR, UH, PROCESS, WHICH I HAVEN'T GOTTEN A MOBILE HOME PARK IN THE THREE YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE.

THEY'RE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN A FIVE.

NO, THEY'RE PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN A FIVE AND SPECIALTIES PERMIT R 20 AND NOT ALLOW AT ALL ON R SIX AND THERE ARE ALSO SPECIAL USE IN C3 CH.

SO IS THERE ANY PUBLIC INPUT AS TO ADDING A MOBILE HOME PARK OR ADDING A MOBILE HOME? NO, SIR.

UM, ALSO I DIDN'T HEAR IN THE PRESENTATION, THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? DID, WHAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION? OH, YOU PLANNING WAS APPROVAL RECOMMENDATION.

SO, UH, ANOTHER QUESTION, THIS AREA IS IN THE ETJ AND SO WHAT IS THE PROCESS FOR IT TO MOVE FROM? AND, AND WHEN FROM THE ETJ INTO ANNEXATION IN THE CITY OF NEW ROOM, UM, I'D DEFER THAT TO CITY ATTORNEY WOULD HAVE TO, THEY'D HAVE TO PETITION TO BE ANNEX FOR, UM, CITIES WHO ARE THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS ARE CITY LIMITS.

BUT, BUT THE AREAS THAT PROPOSE RE PROPOSED SOME OF THE AREAS WE'RE REZONING, THEY'RE ALL IN THE CITY LIMITS.

THEY'RE ALL IN, THEY'RE ALL IN THE CITY.

AND THEN, SO WHAT IS THE PROCESS THEN FOR, UH, THE MULTI-FAMILY DWELLINGS? IS THAT THE SAME? UM, UM, LET'S SEE.

AS A DEVELOPER PROCESS, MULTIFAMILY IN R SIX IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

SO IT'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE DESIGN, THE SITE PLAN, REVIEW PROCESS, AND THEN TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.

UM, SAME FOR A FIVE, A FIVE F OKAY.

OUR 10, A SO SPECIAL USE, SPECIAL USE SM THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS.

FORWARD ANY QUESTIONS? YES.

I, I HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, MR. LOCKLIN, BOZ BOSWELL, RIGHT? LOCKLIN.

LOCKLIN.

I'M SORRY.

UM, FOUR, AS THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CONCERNED, WHAT IS THE TIMEFRAME FOR YOUR OFFICE OR TO PUT UP ERECT SIGNS OR PLACE ADS AND NEWSPAPERS OR WHATEVER.

GIVEN THE, THE CITIZENS OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW UP AT THESE ZONING, WE FILE THE GENERAL STATUTE, WHICH IS A RANGE OF NO MORE THAN 25 DAYS AND NO LESS THAN 10 DAYS.

AND SO DID YOU HAVE A LOT OF PARTICIPANTS, UM, SHOW UP AT THIS ZONING? THE PLANNING AND ZONING IS NOT ADVERTISED.

IT'S JUST A, UM, OH, UM, LET ME SEE.

NO, I DID.

I THINK WE HAD, WE HAD FIVE, BUT THEY WERE IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICATION.

WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY BAGS FROM THE PUBLIC.

AND SO FAR I'VE GOTTEN TWO PHONE CALLS ABOUT THIS ONE.

INTO EXISTENCE? I MEAN, I KNOW WE'RE DEALING WITH THE STATE AND YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT OF DO, DO YOU HAVE A ROUNDABOUT IDEA OF WHEN HIGHWAY 43 CONNECTOR STARTED THE DISCUSSION SCOTT BACK IN THE LATE NINETIES? YES, SIR.

BOARD.

I'M LOOKING TO YOU FOR DIRECTION.

WELL, CONSIDERING WE'VE HAD, UM, WE'VE HAD SEVEN PEOPLE TO COME SPEAK TONIGHT AND FIVE OF THEM DON'T WANT THIS REZONING TO, UM, R 10 AND THEY HAD NUMEROUS, UM, GOOD.

CAUSE, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TIMEFRAME IS FOR MR. MCCULLOUGH OR WHOMEVER TO ACTUALLY, UM, HAVE THIS PROPERTY WHERE IT CAN BE DEVELOPED.

AND I, I THINK THAT THIS YOUNG LADY, ONE YOUNG LADY SAID THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT, WHICH IS GOING TO CREATE SOME, SOME ISSUES WHEN YOU START ADDING IN, UM, MORE HOMES.

SO DO, DO ANYONE KNOW, UM, NOT MAYOR OUT, UM, MAYOR, YOU SAID YOU, YOU SAID YOU WERE GONNA DO IT.

I'M SORRY.

MAYOR ODO.

DO YOU KNOW OF THE TIMEFRAME THAT POSSIBLY HIGHWAY 40, THE 43 QUARTER WILL BE COMING

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I BELIEVE, WOW.

I WAS STILL IN HIGH SCHOOL.

I DO KNOW THAT FROM A MPO PERSPECTIVE, WHICH I'M NO LONGER ON THE MPO.

UH, THE LAST UPDATE WE HAD WAS IT WAS FUNDED AS FAR AS THE CONSTRUCTION.

UH, BUT THE MONEY FOR PROPERTY ACQUISITION COMES OUT OF A DIFFERENT FUND.

AND THAT'S WHAT GOT PUT ON HOLD A COUPLE YEARS AGO WHEN D O T WENT BANKRUPT, BUT NOW THEY ARE IN A MUCH MORE SOLVENT POSITION WAS THE LAST THAT WE WERE TOLD.

GOT ANOTHER QUESTION FOR STAFF, BUT I'M SORRY.

I KNOW, I SHOULD KNOW THIS IS, IS CURRENTLY ZONE WHITE.

GO BACK AND LET ME KNOW WHAT IS ALLOWED IN THAT ZONING.

SO, UH, THE GREEN AREA UNDERNEATH THE CROSSHATCHING, THE CROSSHATCHED AREA, I I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE, THE AREA THAT'S IN QUESTION.

THE CROSSHATCHED AREA IS THE AREA IN QUESTION A CAUSE F AND SO UNDERNEATH THE CROSSHATCHED AREA, IT'S GREEN.

AND SO ALL OF THAT IS A FIVE F THERE'S ONLY THE SMALL LITTLE RECTANGLE ON THE LEFT.

THAT IS A FIVE.

AND SO THE CROSSHATCHING IS KIND OF OVERLAYING THE CURRENT ZONING AND THERE'S ONLY ONE TINY, TINY BIT.

YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE IT ON THIS ROWING, BUT THERE IS A WHITE BUBBLE THAT POINTS TO AN R 10 AREA THAT IS JUST A WIDTH OF ROAD BETWEEN THE TWO DEVELOPMENTS, RIGHT AT THE END OF, UM, TR CREEK ROAD.

THERE IS NO R 10 LAND IN THIS, EXCEPT FOR THAT ROAD.

IS, IS THAT, THAT MOUNT IS FRANKLIN FOREST NOT CURRENTLY OUR END.

YES, BUT THAT'S NOT BEING, BUT THE ONE DECIDED IS, UM, THE, AT THE END OF THE VOID, I OUT OUT OF RESPECT FOR THE PROCESS THAT I GET, YOU HAD A QUESTION WITH A PUBLIC HEARING'S BEEN CLOSED.

SO NOW YOU ASKED THAT PERMIT, BUT YES, OUR OR CRAVER FOREST, ACCORDING TO THE MAP IS R 10.

THAT'S CORRECT? YES.

WELL, LET ME BACK UP, THE, THE AREA WOULD JUST THE, THE DOUBLE HASH MARKS IN IT.

IS THAT THE ONLY AREA IN QUESTION FOR TONIGHT? NO, THAT'S THE, OKAY.

SO ALL, ALL THAT AREA, THAT'S GOT THE SLASH MARKS IN IT, PLUS THE DOUBLE SLASH MARKS, WHATEVER.

SO WHAT IS IT? AND IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED AS A FIVE, A FIVE F FOR THE LARGE AREA.

AND WHAT CAN BE ALLOWED IN AN A FIVE F OKAY.

WE'LL START WITH RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE FAMILY, DETACHED FIVE ACRE, LOTS, FIVE ACRE, LOTS, FIVE ACRE, LOTS.

UM, DUPLEX, WE'VE GOT FIVE ACRE FOR THE FIRST UNIT, AND THEN, UM, BELIEVE IT'S 20,000 SQUARE FEET FOR EACH ADDITIONAL UNIT HOMES FOR HANDICAPPED FIRM.

A MULTI-FAMILY IS ALLOWED TO SPECIAL USE PERMIT, ELDERLY HOUSING, NURSING CARE CHILDCARE HOMES MOVING RIGHT ALONG TO OFFICE GOVERNMENT OFFICES.

SO OFFICES CAN BE THERE, GOVERNMENT, GOVERNMENT, GOVERNMENT.

UM, NOTHING IN NOTHING IN MANUFACTURING, UH, NOTHING IN SALES OR RETAIL.

SO KNOW WHAT WE THINK OF AS TRADITIONAL COMMERCIAL, UM, LIBRARIES LOCATED WITH THE SPECIALTIES PERMIT AGAIN, THE PRIVATELY OWNED OUTSIDE, UH, RECREATION FACILITIES AND PUBLICLY OWNED AS FOR SPECIALTIES, PERMITS, GOLF COURSE, HORSEBACK RIDING STABLES, UM, AGAIN, NURSING CARE INSTITUTIONS, UH, PRISON AS A SPECIAL USE VETERINARIAN, UM, TYPE ESTABLISHMENTS KENNELS AGAIN, EMERGENCY SERVICES, POLICE, FIRE RESCUE, OF COURSE, AGRICULTURAL.

SO YOU'VE GOT, UM, LIVESTOCK, EXCLUDING LIVESTOCK.

IT'S A FOREST OPERATIONS WITH TEMPORARY SAW MAIL FORESTRY OPERATIONS WITHOUT TEMPORARY SAW MAIL.

THOSE ARE PERMITTED BY RIGHT.

THE F IS FOR FORESTRY IN, UM, AND THEN UTILITIES

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COMMUNICATION TOWERS.

THESE ARE PERMITTED OPEN AIR MARKET FUNERAL HOME.

SORRY, I DIDN'T HAVE THAT.

I HAVE TOO MUCH CONFIDENCE IN THE MICROPHONE.

HOW ABOUT A SOLAR FARM? THAT'S GONNA BE UNDER A UTILITY AND THAT'S A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

IT'S ALLOWED THOUGH, RIGHT? SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

SPECIAL USE.

AND JUST, JUST FOR THE BOARD'S BENEFIT, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S NOT ALLOWED OR IT CAN BE DENIED.

IT JUST MEANS IT WILL BE PERMITTED, BUT THERE MAY BE SOME CONDITIONS ASSOCIATED, SOME REASONABLE CONDITIONS ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

AND ALDERMAN ASKED FOR CONTEXT, THIS IS 413 ACRES THEY'RE ASKING TO BE REZONED.

WOW.

WE'VE GOT ABOUT SEVEN ACRES IN THE A FIVE AND 0.4 ACRES APPROXIMATELY IN THE R 10.

SO IT'S THE LAMP SHARE.

IS THAT A FIVE F SO BOARD HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? YES, I, I DO.

UM, GENTLEMEN, OOPS.

IS THERE, WAS THERE A REASON WHY, UM, MR. UH, MCCULLOUGH WANTED THIS TO BE REZONED TO R SIX AND NOT KEEP IT R 10? IS IT BECAUSE HE WANTED TO ADD IN DUPLEXES AND SEE, I MEAN, FIRST OF ALL, IT, IT IS NOT CURRENTLY R 10.

IT IS CURRENTLY A FIVE F RIGHT.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

IS THERE A REASON WHY HE DOESN'T WANT THAT TO BE A, A 10, I MEAN, R 10? I CAN'T SPECULATE TO THAT.

HE DIDN'T, I MEAN, IT WAS SATISFY THE RESIDENTS.

THAT'S ALREADY LIVING THERE THAT WAY.

UM, THEY CAN'T BRING IN, YOU KNOW, THE DUPLEXES OF MULTIFAMILY, UH, HOMES OR WHATEVER.

SO, I MEAN, MY CONCERN HERE IS THE CITIZENS ARE KIND OF A LITTLE BIT UPSET WITH THAT BECAUSE THOSE, UM, WELL, AT LEAST THE MOBILE HOMES CAN BE BOUGHT IN AS WELL ON JUST A DOUBLE WIDE.

THAT'S I MEAN, I, I UNDERSTAND IT IS IT IT'S HIS IS HIS PROPERTY, HE'S A DEVELOPER, YOU KNOW, MULTI-FAMILY, UM, APARTMENTS ARE GOING UP EVERYWHERE.

UH, I MEAN, I WAS JUST TOURED CAROLINA COLORS TODAY AND THERE'S HUNDREDS OF, OF MULTI-FAMILY BUILDINGS GOING UP OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.

UM, THE SAME THING IN IS IN, UM, AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I KNOW THAT'S CAUSE THAT'S THE AREAS THAT US ARE.

UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY IN ANY OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS OR NOT, BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I HATE TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP THE GUY FROM BEING ABLE TO DEVELOP HIS OWN PROPERTY AND ESPECIALLY CAUSE WE NEED THE HOMES.

WHILE CAMPAIGNING, I FOUND THAT THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE BEHIND TRANSPARENCY WAS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

I DON'T LIKE THE TERM CUZ IT MEANS DIFFERENT THINGS TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE, BUT I DEFINE IT AS WORKFORCE HOUSING, MEANING AFFORDABLE TO A WORKING COUPLE, LIKE IT WAS ADDRESSED TONIGHT.

I FIND THIS REQUEST FOR REZONING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH OUR RECENTLY ADOPTED LAND USE PLAN AND CONSISTENT WITH PUTTING UP MORE HOMES IN THE MARKET THAT ARE AFFORDABLE TO OUR WORKFORCE.

THEREFORE I MAKE THE MOTION TO, UM, ADOPT A STATEMENT OF ZONING CONSISTENCY FOR THIS REQUEST.

LET'S DO A ROLL CALL.

STARTING WITH OTTERMAN ASTOR.

WHAT WAS IT? CARRIES CARRIES FOUR TO TWO CASE.

SO MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE TO REZONE THESE TAX PARCELS FROM A FIVE F TO R 10.

I I'M SORRY.

FROM A FIVE F R 10 R 10 A TO R SIX.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, A SECOND.

LET'S DO A ROLL CALL.

STARTING WITH ALDERMAN.

WHERE DO I GO NOW? KINZIE.

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ANYTHING ELSE FROM STAFF ON THIS ISSUE? NO, SIR.

[14. Conduct a Public Hearing on Rezoning 601 Third Avenue; and a) Consider Adopting a Statement of Zoning Consistency or Inconsistency; and b) Consider Adopting an Ordinance to Rezone 601 Third Avenue from C- 4 Neighborhood Business District and R- 6 Residential District to C- 3 Commercial District.]

GOT ONE MORE.

UH, NUMBER 14, WE WILL CONDUCT PUBLIC HEARING ON REZONING 6 0 1 THIRD AVENUE STAFF.

ONE LAST PRESENTATION ON THE REZONING.

WHAT? JUST GIVE, GIVE IT A MINUTE.

PUBLIC BENEFIT.

CHANGED TO C3 COMMERCIAL DISTRICT FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE CROSSHATCHED AREA.

UH, SO ON THIS NOW OUR THIRD REZONING FOR THIS, THIS EVENING, UH, THIS IS A CONSIDERATION OF REZONING REQUEST FOR 6 0 1 THIRD AVENUE.

THE APPLICANT IS THE CITY OF NEW BERN, THE LOCATION 6 0 1 THIRD AVENUE.

IT'S ALSO CRAVEN COUNTY PARCEL ID NUMBER EIGHT DASH ZERO 12 DASH ONE 19 AND EIGHT DASH 12 DASH ONE 10.

THE EXISTING ZONING IS C3 AND R SIX.

RESIDENTIAL DETRACT IS SPLIT ZONED, WHICH IS TO SAY THAT ONE TRACK HAS MORE THAN ONE ZONING ON IT.

UH, SO THE PROPOSED ZONING IS TO COMBINE IS TO COMBINE THE ZONING INTO ALL JUST C3.

COMMERCIAL SIZE IS 4.14, UH, ACRES, APPROXIMATELY THE HISTORY AND BACKGROUND OF THIS SITE IS THE OVERALL SITE HAS SEEN A MIXTURE OF FORMER RESIDENTIAL AND COM COMMERCIAL USES.

PRESENT LAND USE IS WELL IT'S THE FUTURE SITE OF THE STANLEY WHITE RECREATION CENTER.

THE MAJORITY OF THE SITE IS NOW CURRENTLY VACANT LAND WITH TWO REMAINING STRUCTURES TO BE RELOCATED OR DEMOLISHED.

SO HERE WE HAVE AN AERIAL VIEW GIVING YOU AN IDEA OF THE SITE.

UH, THE SITE EXTENDS FROM THE ROAD AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN HERE INCLUDES THE, UH, BUILDING WITH THE RED ROOF, WHICH WAS JUST DESCRIBED AS TO BE DEMOLISHED.

UH, AND THEN ALSO THERE'S ANOTHER HOUSE TO THE LEFT OF THE RED ROOF AND THEN THE GRASSY AREA TO THE NORTH OR ABOVE THOSE, UH, AS WELL AS THE KIND OF TAN COLORED AREA TO THE RIGHT OF THE GRASSY AREA.

UM, THAT'S ALL ONE PORTION OF THE PARCEL.

AND THEN THE OTHER PORTION OF THE PARCEL IS THEN THE, UH, TO THE NORTH OF THAT, JUST TO THE RIGHT OF THE PARKING LOT, UH, WHICH IS ALSO KIND OF A TAN COLORED AREA IN THIS AREA.

SO THAT RECTANGLE UP THERE PLUS THE SMALLER ONE, I MEAN THE LARGER ONE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE, UM, AREA HERE, IT COMPRISES THE ENTIRETY OF THE AREA TO BE REZONED.

SO HERE'S A PHOTOGRAPH OF THAT, OF THE SITE AREA, UH, SUBJECT AREA YOU CAN SEE IT'S BASICALLY VACANT EXCEPT FOR THE ONE, UH, HOUSE, UH, TWO STORY HOUSE CENTER.

SO THE, UM, EXISTING ZONING, UH, IS CURRENTLY SHOWN HERE.

SO THE FRONT, UM, SO I'M GOING, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING, UH, AT RISK OF MAKING THINGS MORE CONFUSING.

UH, THIS ILLUSTRATION WAS PRODUCED BEFORE THE, UH, LOTS WERE COMBINED TOGETHER IN THE LAST WEEK, UH, TWO WEEKS AGO, SORRY.

UM, IN ORDER TO, UH, MAKE IT ALL ONE PARCEL INSTEAD OF A WHOLE SERIES OF PARCELS, PLUS TO CLARIFY THAT, UH, THE PARCEL DOES NOT INCLUDE THE STREET.

SO THE PROBLEM WITH THIS ILLUSTRATION IS IT DOES INCLUDE THE PARCELS THAT USED TO BE THERE BEFORE THE STREET WAS CONSTRUCTED.

UH, AND SO IF WE HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS, I CAN GO INTO THIS IN MORE DETAIL, BUT, UM, UH, I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY ALL NOT WANTING TO DO THAT SO MUCH.

SO THEN THE PORTION OF THE SITE THAT IS TO BE REZONED IS THE CROSSHATCHED AREA, UH, BOTH TOWARDS THE, THE BOTTOM IT'S NOW L-SHAPED IN THIS SCENARIO AND THE, UH, UH, SKINNY PIECE TOWARDS THE NORTH.

SO FOR THE R SIX RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, UH, WHICH IT, THAT THAT'S THE CURRENT ZONING AT THE MOMENT, THE SPECIFIC INTENT OF THIS DISTRICT IS TO ENCOURAGE CONTINUED USE OF THE LAND FOR RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES, AS WE JUST DISCUSSED THAT LENGTH AND CERTAIN COMPATIBLE NON-RESIDENTIAL USES.

SO THEN, UH, WE'RE PROPOSING THAT IT BE CONVERTED OR, UH,

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UM, AND THE C3 COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IS ESTABLISHED AS A DISTRICT FOR OFFICES, PERSONAL SERVICES AND THE RETAILING OF DURABLE AND CONVENIENCE GOODS.

AND THIS DISTRICT WILL GENERALLY BE LOCATED ON THE CITY'S MAJOR RADIAL ROADS.

SO THE GENERAL SURVEY OF THE USE IS ALLOWED IN THE C3, SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL MULTI-FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL HIGH TRAFFIC, RETAIL, CAR WASH, RESTAURANTS, OFFICES, AND CLOSED STORAGE, GASOLINE SALES, AUTOMOBILE SALES, AND SERVICE AND INDOOR ATHLETIC EXERCISE FACILITIES SOUNDS FAMILIAR TO THE FIRST, UH, APPLICATION.

SO NOW SURROUNDING ZONING ON NORTH SIDE IS OUTDOOR RECREATIONAL R SIX THAT'S THE PARK, UH, SOUTH IS THE NEW BE FIRE AND RESCUE HEADQUARTERS, UH, AND ALSO VACANT ACROSS THE STREET.

AND THEN TO THE EAST, WE HAVE COMMERCIAL OFFICES C3, AND SOME RESIDENTIAL R SIX AND TO THE WEST, THERE ARE COMMERCIAL OFFICES STORAGE, UH, AND SOME STORAGE IN THAT, UH, THAT ZONE C3 AND CHILD DAYCARE CENTER IS IN R SIX UTILITIES.

ALL THE CITY PROVIDED UTILITIES.

THE SERVICES ARE AVAILABLE TO THE GENERAL AREA AND THE LAND USE PLAN, UH, SAYS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS SHOWN AS IT'S IN THE DEVELOPED AREA WITH A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES.

THERE ARE NO KNOWN ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARDS ON THIS PROPERTY.

BROAD STREET IS CLASSIFIED AS PRINCIPAL ARTERIAL AND GASTON BOULEVARD, WHICH WAS ON THE WEST SIDE AND THIRD AVENUE, WHICH IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE, ARE CLASSIFIED AS LOCAL STREETS, ACCORDING TO NC DOT'S FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION, ACCORDING TO THE NORTH CAROLINA FLOOD PLAIN MAPPING PROGRAM TRACK ONE THAT WAS THE BOTTOM PIECE, UH, IS NOT LOCATED WITHIN THE 100 YEAR OR 500 YEAR FLOODPLAIN, BUT A PORTION OF THE NORTH AND EAST SIDES OF TRACK TWO, THAT WAS THE UPPER PORS, UH, SKINNY PORTION OF THE TOP IS LOCATED IN THE 500 YEAR FLOOD, PLAIN WITH MINIMAL FLOOD RISK.

UH, THE PROPOSAL, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THE PROPOSAL TO REZONE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY TO C3 COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE ADJACENT LAND USES TO THE SOUTH AND ALONG AND EAST ALONG BROAD STREET, THE STAFF HAS FOUND THE PROPOSED REZONING TO BE IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST AND CONSISTENT WITH LAND USE CITY LAND USE AND TRANSPORTATION PLANS.

THE PURPOSE OF THIS REZONING IS TO FACILITATE THE CONSTRUCTION OF A PUBLIC RECREATION FACILITY AND ASSOCIATED IMPROVEMENTS.

STAFF HAS NO OBJECTION TO APPROVAL OF THE REQUESTED ZONING.

THAT'S THE END OF OUR PRESENTATION BEFORE I OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARING.

UM, COULD, COULD STAFF MAYBE EXPLAIN WHY THIS REQUEST IS BEING REQUIRED? IF IT LOOKS LIKE THE OLD STANLEY WHITE RECREATION CENTER WAS IN R SIX MM-HMM, A, A PORTION OF, UH, OF THE PROPERTY THAT WHERE, UM, UH, AGAINST SOUND SHOP WAS LOOKED WAS COMMERCIAL.

AND SO AS WE TALKED WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND WE TALKED WITH OUR ARCHITECT FELT WOULD BE BETTER TO JUST HAVE IT ALL COMMERCIAL THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE, THE USE FOR THE INDOOR RECREATION CENTER.

SO THAT'S THE MAIN REASON WHY, SO MR. DAVIS, I'M GONNA CALL ON YOU AGAIN.

HOW CAN THIS CITY, THE GOVERNING BODY HERE, A PUBLIC HEARING AND MAKE A DECISION ON SOMETHING THAT WE OWN? YES, SIR.

THERE'S NO CHOICE.

, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION, BUT YES, THERE'S AN INHERENT CONFLICT THERE, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY WAY FOR THIS TO WORK.

ANY MORE STAFF COMMENTS? NO, SIR.

I WILL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE REZONING REQUEST OF 6 0 1 THIRD AVENUE MAY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION OF BOTH PUBLIC HEARING, HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND DISCUSSION HEARING DONE.

MR. SIR, AS A MATTER OF, UH, I GUESS PROCEDURE, CAN WE HAVE STAFF TELL US WHAT THE BEANS Z BOARD RECOMMENDED? THEY HAVEN'T, UH, SURE.

EACH TIME THEY'VE HAD TO ASK.

I THINK WE NEED TO ADD THAT.

THE P AND Z RECOMMENDED, UH, UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.

THANKS.

UM, LET'S SEE.

LET'S DO A VOICE, UM, VOTE ON CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD MAYOR? UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE MOTION OR YOU CAN.

UM, MAYOR LIKE MAKE MOTION THAT, UM, WE ADOPT A STATEMENT OF ZONING CONSISTENCY FOR 6 0 1 THIRD AVENUE.

SECOND, SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? LET'S DO A ROLL CALL.

VOTE, STARTING WITH OTTERMAN BEST OTTERMAN BEST.

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I LIKE MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE TO REZONE 6 0 1 THIRD AVENUE FROM C4 NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS DISTRICT TO R SIX, RESIDENTIAL TO C3 COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.

UH, BOARD JUST FOR A PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT.

WE HAVE A SECOND IN DISCUSSION.

I HAVE A ROLL CALL OF VOTE.

STARTING WITH OTTERMAN SSON OMAN BRANSON.

[Items 15 & 16]

UH, 15 AND 16 CAN BE COMBINED IF YOU SO CHOOSE.

MAY I MAKE MOTION THAT WE WAIT, LET ME, LET ME READ.

'EM JUST, JUST TO BE SAFE.

UH, SO NUMBER 15 IS TO CONSIDER DOCUMENT RESOLUTION TO INITIATE THE UPSET BID PROCESS FOR 8 0 6 MAIN STREET AND ITEM NUMBER 16 IS TO CONSIDER OPING A RESOLUTION TO INITIATE THE UPSET BID PROCESSES FOR 2 0 8 DANIEL STREET.

EXCUSE ME, SIR.

BUT TWO OH DANIEL STREET IS IN WARD FIVE.

DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO PUT ONE IN FIVE TOGETHER TO IT DOESN'T MATTER.

IT'S JUST ADOPTING RESOLUTION TO START THE UPSET BID PROCESS.

SO, WELL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION TO INITIATE UPSET BID PROCESS FOR 8 0 6 MAIN STREET AND 2 0 8 DANIEL STREET.

HAVE A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.

SECOND, HAVE A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? STILL A ROLL CALL VOTE.

STARTING WITH OTTERMAN PR OTTERMAN FRILL.

[Items 17 - 21]

I WILL READ THESE AS WELL.

UM, BUT 17 THROUGH 21, IF THE BOARD SO CHOOSES, WE CAN GROUP THOSE TOGETHER.

ALSO.

UH, IF YOU WANNA PULL ANY OF THESE OUT, WE CAN DO THAT AS WELL AND, AND VOTE ON THOSE INDIVIDUALLY.

I JUST THOUGHT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE TIME WE COULD DO THEM TOGETHER.

SO NUMBER 17 IS CONSIDERED ADOPTING A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE SALE OF 24 10 GEORGIA AVENUE.

NUMBER 18 IS TO CONSIDER ADOPTING RESOLUTION APPROVING THE SALE OF 8 0 3 PAVY AVENUE.

NUMBER 19 IS CONSIDERED THE OPT ADOPTING RESOLUTION APPROVING THE SALE OF 2107 PEARSON STREET.

NUMBER 20 IS CONSIDERED ADOPTING RESOLUTION APPROVING THE SALE OF TEN TWO TEN DUFFY STREET.

AND NUMBER 21 IS CONSIDERED ADOPTING RESOLUTION APPROVING THE SALE OF 8 0 1 SHOULD TALK TO LANE.

MAY I MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION PROVEN TO SALES OF 2014 GEORGIA AVENUE, 8 0 3 PAVY AVENUE, 2107 PEARSON STREET, TWO 10 DUFFY STREET IN 8 0 1 CHATAUQUA LANE.

WE HAVE A SECOND IN YOUR DISCUSSION.

LET'S DO A ROLL CALL.

VOTE, STARTING WITH OTTMAN ROYAL.

[22. Consider Adopting a Resolution Approving an Agreement with Mackilwean Turf Farm, Inc. for Land Use for Spray Irrigation System.]

FOR THE RECORD, THOSE THAT HAVEN'T READ THE PACKET, THIS COSTS US WHAT, OR WHAT DOES, UH, BACK AWAY AND PAY US.

MOTION CARRIES, UH, ITEM NUMBER 22.

CONSIDER DR.

RESOLUTION APPROV, AN AGREEMENT WITH MWA TURF FARM FOR LAND USE SPRAY IRRIGATION SYSTEM.

MR. HUGHES, I TO ASK MR. HUGHES COME UP AND GIVE AN EXPLANATION ON THIS DAVID MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

UH, WHAT WE HAVE ON ITEM 22 IS A, UH, CONSIDERATION FOR ADOPTING A RESOLUTION TO APPROVE A AGREEMENT WITH NOT GOING TURF FARM FOR SPRAY IRRIGATION ON THE TURF FARM.

UH, SO BACK IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS, THE CITY OF NEW BERN CREATED AND IMPLEMENTED A RECLAIMED WATER SYSTEM WHERE WE TAKE SOME OF OUR TREATED WASTEWATER FLUID INSTEAD OF DISCHARGING IT DIRECTLY TO THE NEW RIVER, IT GOES TO THE EAST LAKE OF THE MARTIN MARRIT OF CO AND THEN ULTIMATELY IS PUMPED TO THE MALINE TURF FARM.

UH, AND THEY USE THAT IRRIGATION ON A VARIETY OF TURF GRASSES.

UH, THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS PERMITTED THROUGH THE, UH, NORTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT, ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY THAT PERMITS UP FOR RENEWAL ON AN EIGHT, A FIVE TO EIGHT YEAR CYCLE, AND GOING THROUGH THROUGH, UH, THE RENEWAL PROCESS THIS SUMMER, THE STAFF AT DQ RECOMMENDED SOME CHANGES TO OUR AGREEMENT WITH MC LANE TO INCLUDE SOME REFERENCES TO THE PERMIT, UH, AND ALSO TO CHANGE THE, THE AGREEMENT PERIOD FROM A FIXED PERIOD OF NUMBER OF YEARS, TO BASICALLY JUST COINCIDE WITH THE EXPIRATION OF THE RECLAIMED PERMIT.

SO BEHALF TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE RECLAIMED SYSTEM OR ABOUT THE, UH, THE PERMIT OR THE AGREEMENT BOARD, ANY QUESTIONS, I GUESS,

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IT'S A DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR, UH, FOR, FOR THE DETERMINE THE AGREEMENT.

WE CHARGE THEM $1 FOR THE, THE REUSE WATER AND THEY CHARGE US $1 FOR THE, THE USE OF THE FARM.

SO IT'S A MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL AGREEMENT, GIVES US A WAY TO DISPOSE OF THE RECLAIMED WATER, WHICH IS BENEFICIAL TO OUR OPERATION, TO OUR PERMIT.

THEY GET THE BENEFIT OF HAVING A NO COST WATER FOR IRRIGATION.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MAYOR? IF THERE'S NO QUESTION I MIGHT MAKE MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION APPROVE AN AGREEMENT WITH MCLOAN TUR FARM INC.

FOR LAND USE FOR SPRAY IRRIGATION SYSTEM.

ITEM NUMBER 23, CONSIDERED DOCUMENT RESOLUTION, A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING FOR THE ADMINISTRATION AND PROCEDURES OF THE SMITHFIELD AGREEMENT 2021 ENVIRONMENTAL ENHANCEMENT GRANT PROGRAM.

WE HAVE A SECOND IN DISCUSSION.

HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE STARTING WITH ALDERMAN ASTER.

[23. Consider Adopting a Resolution Approving a Memorandum of Understanding for the Administration and Procedures of the Smithfield Agreement 2021 Environmental Enhancement Grant Program.]

MR. HUGHES, MR. SHELL, IF YOU WOULD COME UP AND GIVE A DESCRIPTION ON THIS GOOD EVENING, AGAIN, UM, LITTLE DIFFERENT TOPIC THIS TIME.

UH, SO IN THIS CASE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RECEIVING A GRANT, UH, FROM THE NORTH CAROLINA ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE IN THE AMOUNT OF $134,000.

UH, THESE FUNDS WILL BE USED FOR, UH, TO HELP CONSTRUCTION OF THE, UH, DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION AND PERMITTING FOR THE, UH, DUFFY FIELD STORM WATER ENHANCEMENT PROJECT OR ANY QUESTIONS.

YES, YES, SIR.

NOW THIS IS THE PHASE TWO AND THREE OF THE DUFFY FIELD STORM BOARD PROJECT.

THE MIDDLE STREET PROJECT, CORRECT? YES.

CORRECT.

PHASE ONE WAS THE, UH, THE DETENTION BASE, RIGHT? OKAY.

SO ANOTHER QUESTION, UM, HMM, WHAT HAPPENED? IT WAS, IT WAS SUBMITTED, UH, A REQUEST FOR 200,000, BUT WE'RE ONLY GETTING 134.

IS THERE? YES.

UH, THE, UH, GRANTING AGENCY DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO, UM, UM, FOR ALL THE REQUESTS THEY HAD FOR THE GRANTS.

AND SO THEY PAIRED EVERYBODY'S DOWN ACCORDING INSTEAD OF CUTTING PEOPLE OFF.

2021 ENVIRONMENTAL ENHANCEMENT GRANT PROGRAM.

IT'S A PLEASURE OF THE BOARD.

THERE'S NO QUESTIONS BY THE BOARD.

I WANNA MAKE A MOTION, UM, TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION, APPROVE A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING FOR THE ADMINISTRATION AND PROCEDURES OF THE SMITHFIELD AGREEMENT.

SO THAT WE CAN, UH, LEARN FROM OTHER INVESTIGATIONS SO THAT, UH, UH, ANY MISTAKES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE ALONG THE PROCESS CAN BE CORRECTED AND LEARNED FROM THANK YOU, CHIEF BOARD, ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASURE OF THE BOARD MAYOR I'D LIKE TO, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION, APPROVING A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH THE CRAVEN COUNTY SEXUAL ASSAULT RESPONSE TO I HAVE A MOTION.

ANY DISCUSSION.

LET'S DO A ROLL CALL STARTING WITH ALDERMAN KINZIE.

[24. Consider Adopting a Resolution Approving a Memorandum of Understanding with the Craven County Sexual Assault Response Team.]

ITEM NUMBER 24.

CONSIDER DOMINE RESOLUTION APPROVING A MEMORANDUM OF UNDER UNDERSTANDING WITH THE CRAVING COUNTY SEXUAL ASSAULT RESPONSE TEAM.

MR. HUGHES TO GALL WILL COME UP.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UH, PORT OF ALMAN, THE NEWBURN POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS JOINED MULTIPLE AGENCIES THROUGHOUT THE, THE REGION TO INCLUDE PROMISE PLACE, WHICH IS A 5 0 1 C THREE OPERATION ACTUALLY HERE IN THE CITY OF NEW BERN, UH, SPECIALIZING IN, UH, COUNSELING AND TREATMENT OF SEXUAL FOUR SEXUAL ASSAULT VICTIMS. UH, ALSO NUMEROUS LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES, NOT ONLY TO INCLUDE OURSELVES, BUT THE CRA COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE IN HAVELOCK POLICE DEPARTMENT AND MULTIPLE OTHER AGENCIES IN AN ATTEMPT TO, UH, HARMONIZE AND COORDINATE, UM, OUR RESPONSE TO VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT, UM, AND HOW TO PROVIDE WRAPAROUND SERVICES, UH, FOR THOSE VICTIMS, NOTHING IN THE MEMORANDUM, UM, CONFLICTS WITH STATUTORY AUTHORITY.

UM, AND IT DOES NOT BIND US TO ANYTHING OTHER THAN OUR RELATIONSHIP.

UM, AS A, AS A TEAM, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED STAFF WITHIN OUR AGENCY.

THAT WILL BE THE POINT, UH, FOR THE AGENCY, UM, IN ALL SEXUAL ASSAULT INVESTIGATIONS.

THIS RELATIONSHIP ALSO PROVIDES US OPPORTUNITIES FOR AFTER ACTION REVIEWS IN SEXUAL ASSAULT INVESTIGATIONS,

[01:45:01]

DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, HAVE A SECOND DISCUSSION.

JUST HAVE A ROLL CALL.

VOTE, STARTING WITH OTTERMAN BEST OTTERMAN BEST.

[25. Consider Adopting a Resolution Approving the NBAMPO 5303 Grant Contract with the NC Department of Transportation.]

CHIEF NUMBER 25.

CONSIDER DOCTOR RESOLUTION APPROVING THE NEWBURN AREA.

MPO 53 0 3 GRANT CONTRACT WITH NORTHBOUND APARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.

MR. HUGHES, ON BEHALF OF THE NEWBURN AREA, MPO, THE CITY HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AS THE DIRECT RECIPIENT OF THESE GRANT FUNDS, UH, THAT ARE MANAGED BY NC D O T TO RECEIVE THE FUNDS.

THE BOARD OF BALLROOM MUST ADOPT A RESOLUTION, AUTHORIZING THE MANAGER TO SIGN THE GRANT AGREEMENT.

UH, THE TOTAL ALLOCATION FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR IS $55,146 AND 56 CENTS, WHICH REFLECTS FEDERAL AND STATE SHARE OF $49,691 AND 90 CENTS.

THE LOCAL SHARE IS $5,500 FOR $5,514 AND 60, UH, 6 CENTS.

AND THAT'S SPREAD ACROSS THE MEMBER ORGANIZATIONS, WHICH ARE CRAVEN COUNTY, THE CITY OF NEW BERN, BRIDGETON RIVER BEND, AND TRENT WOODS.

THE ALLOCATION THAT THE CITY OF NEWBURN WILL BE, UH, PAYING IS 3050 $9 54 CENTS.

AND THAT ALLOCATION IS BASED ON POPULATION BOARDING QUESTIONS.

HOW WILL THESE HAVE THESE FUNDS ALREADY BEEN IDENTIFIED TO SERVE THE RESIDENTS? SO THIS IS FOR TRANSPORTATION PLANNING FOR OUR ENTIRE AREA.

SO THE MPO, WE USE THOSE FOR TRANSPORTATION PLANNING.

OTTOMAN ROYAL.

THIS IS, UH, I THINK IT'S AN ANNUAL, IT IS AN ANNUAL ANNUAL PROCESS.

SO IT'S IN OUR BUDGET.

SO WE'RE NOT ASKING TO TAKE MONEY FROM ANYWHERE.

IT'S ALREADY BUDGET I'M OUT THERE.

MORE QUESTIONS.

IF THERE'S MORE QUESTIONS I'LL LIKE MAKE MOTION TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION, APPROVING THE N B MPO 5 3 0 3 GRANT CONTRACT WITH THE NC DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.

ANY DISCUSSION? NOT LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL STARTING WITH ALDERMAN BRINSON.

[26. Consider Adopting an Ordinance for the Demolition of 1014 Main Street.]

ITEM NUMBER 26.

CONSIDER ADOPTING AN ORDINANCE WITH A DEMOLITION OF 10, 14 MAIN STREET.

MR. HUGHES.

UM, I WAS JUST GIVING A NOTIFICATION THAT THE ACTUAL ADDRESS IS 10 41 MAIN STREET.

AND AT THIS TIME I'D LIKE TO ASK MR. SHELLEY TO MAKE THE PRESENTATION.

SURE.

SO FOR 10, THIS IS 10 41 MAIN STREET.

UM, THE, THIS IS THE TYPO ON THE AGENDA.

THE PACKET INCLUDES THAT CORRECT ADDRESS.

UH, AND YOU'LL EVEN SEE AT THE BACK OF THE PACKET IS AN, AN AERIAL ILLUSTRATION WHICH SHOWS THE, UH, THE, UH, LOCATION AND THE ADDRESS 10 41, JUST TO BE CLEAR.

UH, THIS IS A PRO UH, PROPERTY THAT'S BEEN UNDER.

SOME CONCERN FOR MANY YEARS HAS BEEN NOTIFIED MANY TIMES, UH, VARIOUS PROBLEMS THROUGHOUT THE YEARS.

IT'S HAD A FIRE AND HAS BEEN VACANT EVER SINCE THE FIRE HAS RESULTED IN A HUGE HOLE IN THE SEAL IN THE ROOF.

THE ROOF IS A PLA ROOF.

THE BUILDING IS A, UH, SMALL CONCRETE, UM, UH, MASONRY UNIT STRUCTURE, BOARDING QUESTIONS.

WHAT IS THE ADJOINING STREET? UH, LET'S SEE.

I DO NOT KNOW YOU BANKS SAID THAT.

IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, I LIKE MAKE A MOTION.

I MIGHT MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE FOR THE DEMOLITION OF 10 41 MAIN STREET.

SECOND OF MOTION.

ANY DISCUSSION.

SO HAVE A ROLL CALL STARTING WITH OTTERMAN PR OTTERMAN PR YES.

OTTERMAN GRENSON YES.

MAYOR OUM.

[27. Appointment( s).]

ALL

[01:50:01]

EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THOSE.

UM, THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS NUMBER 27 APPOINTMENTS.

UM, I WAS GONNA ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY IF HE COULD JUST GIVE A LITTLE CLARIFICATION.

SINCE WE HAVE SOME NEW MEMBERS ON THE BOARD, THERE ARE SOME, SOME CRITERIA AND SOME STIPULATIONS AROUND SERVING ON BOARDS AND HOW MANY YOU CAN.

I JUST THOUGHT IT'D BE BENEFICIAL, UH, BEFORE WE START MAKING ANY OF THESE APPOINTMENTS.

MAY MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UH, WE HAVE A STATE STATUTE THAT, UM, LIMITS YOUR SERVICE TO ONE ELECTED POSITION IN WHICH YOU ARE CURRENTLY SERVING.

AND ONE APPOINTED POSITION THAT APPOINTED POSITION IN THIS CASE IS DEFINED AS ANY APPOINTMENT BEYOND THOSE POSITIONS THAT THIS BOARD MIGHT APPOINT YOU TO, OR ANY POSITION THAT YOU SERVE IN EXIA MEANING YOU MIGHT SERVE ON THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, BECAUSE YOU ARE THE OTTOMAN WHO HAS PART OF YOUR WARD IN THAT AREA.

AND THEREFORE YOU MAY PARTICIPATE ON THAT BOARD IN AN EXO CAPACITY.

SO WHAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT IS MAKING SURE THAT NONE OF YOU HAVE AN APPOINTMENT THAT WE ARE NOT AWARE OF THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN MADE BY THE COUNTY, UM, BY THE GOVERNOR, UM, TO SOME OTHER, UH, BY THE MILITARY.

UM, IN WHICH CASE YOU MIGHT EXCEED YOUR LIMITS.

SO JUST BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WORRIES ABOUT THAT, CATCH ME THE CLERK AFTER THE MEETING.

AND WE'LL, WE'LL TALK IT THROUGH WITH YOU.

I KNOW IN THE MAYOR'S CASE, THE MAYOR WAS APPOINTED TO SERVE, UM, ON THE, UH, THE HOSPITAL BOARD.

UM, SO THE MAYOR HAS USED UP HIS ONE ELECTION, ONE ELECTED POST, AND HIS ONE APPOINTED POST, EVEN THOUGH HE MAY STILL SERVE IN POST THAT YOU APPOINT HIM TO AS A FUNCTION OF HIS POSITION.

MAKES SENSE.

ANY OUTSIDE APPOINTMENTS, GOVERNOR MILITARY COUNTY, LET US KNOW.

WE SHOULD ALL FILL OUT LEGAL SCHOLARS AFTER IT'S TONIGHT.

, WE'VE BEEN TOLD, UH, I I'LL KICK THIS OFF.

UH, THE FIRST APPOINTMENT, UM, IS BY THE MAYOR, MR. BILL FREDERICK, UM, PASSED AWAY.

UNFORTUNATELY HE WAS A MEMBER OF THE FRIENDS OF THE FIREMAN MUSEUM.

SO I'VE BEEN ASKED TO MAKE A NEW APPOINTMENT.

UM, JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS THE, THE FRIENDS OF THE FIREMAN MUSEUM BOARD, UH, THEY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR WHO, UH, THEY NEED TO SERVE ON THAT BOARD TO FIT DIFFERENT CRITERIA.

UM, BILL FRICK, UH, I GAVE BILL A NICKNAME AND IT WAS CALLED DOLLAR BILL.

AND THAT WAS BECAUSE BILL HAD A FINANCIAL BACKGROUND AND THEY ARE LOOKING FOR SOMEONE WITH A FINANCIAL BACKGROUND TO SERVE, TO TAKE THAT PLACE, UH, AS THE TREASURER.

SO THEY HAD RECOMMENDED THE NAME OF DANIEL INOR.

DANIEL IS I BELIEVE A DISTRICT MANAGER, UM, WITH, UH, COTTON FETAL HOME HERE IN TOWN.

SO THAT'S MY MOTION.

SECOND MOTION IN A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

THE OPPOSED.

UM, B UH, WE HAVE THE HIGHWAY 17 ASSOCIATION BOARD OF DIRECTORS.

UH, OTTERMAN SABRINA.

BENG SERVED ON THAT BOARD, UH, AS OUR CITY REPRESENTATIVE.

SO DOES ANYONE HAVE A BURNING DESIRE TO BE ON THAT ONE? WE CAN DRAW STRAWS, I GUESS IF NOBODY WANTS TO DO IT.

UM, QUESTION.

MA'AM UM, MAYOR OR ATTORNEY DAVIS, UM, WITH SOME OF THESE BOARDS WHEN I WAS READING, UM, THE INFORMATION, IS IT WHERE THAT POSSIBLY, UM, STAFF CAN BE APPOINTED TO SOME OF THESE POSITIONS? BECAUSE, BECAUSE THEY, I KNOW A LOT OF THESE, THESE DIFFERENT APPOINTMENTS, I DON'T HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT'S GOING ON AND WE MIGHT HAVE SOME STAFF MEMBERS OR EMPLOYEES THAT ARE FAMILIAR WITH THESE PARTICULAR BOARDS.

UM, IS THAT ALLOWED ATTORNEY DAVIS? YES MA'AM BUT WE, WE NEED TO CHECK ON A BOARD BY BOARD BASIS, BUT OFTENTIMES YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO POINT ANYONE TO SERVE.

IN OTHER CASES, IT SPECIFICALLY REQUIRES A PUBLIC OFFICIAL.

SO WE'D HAVE TO LOOK BY POSITION.

SO DO YOU, CAN YOU POINT OUT THE ONES HERE THAT IS I'M, I'M AFRAID.

I DON'T KNOW, OFF TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT MADAM CLERK, DO YOU KNOW? I'VE GOT IT.

IF I'M PULLED UP JUST A SECOND, UM, HIGHWAY 17 CAN BE A STAFF OR A CITIZEN.

DOES IT HAVE TO BE A BOARD MEMBER? OKAY.

AND WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE ALL THESE APPOINTMENTS A NIGHT BY THE WAY.

IF YOU GET SOME NEW INFORMATION YOU WANT TO KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD TO THE NEXT MEETING, WE CAN DO THAT.

THESE IN CASE ANYBODY WANTS TO DO THESE OKAY.

THAT'S RIGHT.

IS THAT THE DESIRE OF THE BOARD TO WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING ON YES.

THAT MAY, I MIGHT SUGGEST IF THE CLERK WOULD CIRCULATE THE LIST.

SURE.

AND, AND YOUR OPTIONS.

WE, WE WE'LL STILL GO OVER

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UH, CRAVEN COUNTY, CITY OF NEW BERN 0.1 OF ITS OWN GOVERNING BOARD MEMBERS.

SO THIS ONE IS CLEAR.

IT HAS TO BE SOMEBODY ON THIS BOARD TO SERVE AS A TRUSTEE ON THE NEW BERN CRAVEN COUNTY, PUBLIC LIBRARY, BOARD OF TRUSTEES.

OTTERMAN BINGLE ALSO SERVED ON THAT NOTE.

SO IT'S GOTTA BE ONE OF THE SEVEN OF US.

WHAT ABOUT THE MPO YOU DO WE WANT TO, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY DESIRE TO SERVE ON THE LIBRARY BOARD RIGHT NOW? OR YOU WANNA THINK ABOUT IT FOR A COUPLE WEEKS? I THOUGHT WE WAS GONNA WAIT UNTIL SHE CIRCULATE THE LIST AND WE GO FROM THERE.

WELL, IF, IF SOMEBODY ALREADY KNOWS THAT THEY WANT DO IT, THEN WE COULD GO AHEAD AND PUT 'EM THERE.

NOW'S IF THEY ALREADY HAVE, SO YEAH.

DOESN'T SOUND LIKE ANYONE HAS A BURNING DESIRE FOR THE LIBRARY BOARD.

SO WE'LL MOVE THAT ONE TO THE NEXT MEETING.

UH, THE NEXT ONE WOULD BE THE MPO.

UH, I RESIGNED FROM THAT PARTICULAR BOARD AND, UH, WE DO NEED AN ELECTIVE REPRESENTATIVE TO SUPPORT THAT ONE.

I HAD ORIGINALLY VOLUNTEERED FOR THAT AND, UH, BUT I SERVE ON A COUNTY BOARD OR APPOINTED TO A COUNTY BOARD.

SO I NEED TO TALK TO ATTORNEY FIRST.

YOU WENT AWAY ON THIS ONE THEN? YEAH.

MR. ATTORNEY, YOUR REPORT, NOTHING TO REPORT TONIGHT, MAYOR OTHER THAN TO, UH, TO CONGRATULATE EACH OF YOU ON A, ON A THOUGHTFUL AND RESPECTFUL FIRST MEETING.

UH, THE LETTER E NEW BERN APPOINTS A COMMISSIONER OR, AND TWO ALTERNATE COMMISSIONERS TO THE NORTH CAROLINA, UH, EASTERN MUNICIPAL POWER AGENCY.

THIS IS NA KIPPA.

THIS IS THE GROUP THAT WE'RE A PART OF THAT WE GET OUR WHOLESALE POWER FROM, UH, AUTO WOMAN.

JAMIA HARRIS WAS OUR FIRST ALTERNATIVE, UH, ALTERNATE, UH, WITH THE END OF HER TERM.

UH, WE NEED TO MAKE A NEW APPOINTMENT HEARING NONE.

WE'LL KICK THAT ONE TOO.

AND THE LAST ONE, UH, IS THE TDA.

I RESIGNED FROM THAT BOARD AS WELL.

UM, I BELIEVE THAT, UH, IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.

I'VE SPOKEN WITH A COUPLE PEOPLE WHO HAD EXPRESSED SOME INTEREST IN TAKING THAT POSITION.

UH, IF NO ONE OBJECTS I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE, UH, MR. BILL STAFFORD, UH, BILL AS A MANAGING PARTNER OF A HOTEL DOWN IN ATLANTIC BEACH AND, UH, HE'S IN THE ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY.

AND, UH, HE'S VERY TIED IN WITH TOURISM IN THIS AREA.

I'LL SECOND MOTION IN A SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

AYE, AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? OKAY.

[28. Attorney' s Report.]

UM, NOT THE J SHE THE BUSINESS TO COME UP.

SO PLAY NICE TO FINISH UP

[29. City Manager's Report.]

ALL.

THAT YOU MAKE AN APPOINTMENT WITH THAT DEPARTMENT HEAD AND GO SIT DOWN AND TALK TO 'EM ABOUT IT AND LISTEN TO THE DEPARTMENT HEAD.

THANK YOU, MR. MANAGER, YOUR REPORT, FEW THINGS I'D LIKE TO, TO COVER FIRST AS WE HAD, UH, THE ANNUAL MS. BIKE RIDE THIS PAST WEEKEND, OVER 1300 CYCLIST WERE IN TOWN.

AND SO THEY WERE ABLE TO, EVEN IF THE, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS RAIN AND UNION POINT PARK HAD A LITTLE BIT OF FLOODING, THEY WERE ABLE TO ENJOY OUR BEAUTIFUL CITY AND DIE IN OUR RESTAURANTS AND SHOP.

AND SO WE ALWAYS LOOK FORWARD TO THAT PARTNERSHIP, UH, WITH THE MS. SOCIETY.

UH, THE NEXT ITEM I HAVE IS, UH, I I'VE TALKED WITH SEVERAL OF YOU ABOUT WORKSHOPS.

SO WE'VE GOT A LIST OF, UH, OF WORKSHOPS THAT THE, THE BOARD HAS TALKED ABOUT DOING SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE, UH, COVERING STRATEGIC PLANS, THE HOUSING AUTHORITY, REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION CHOICE, NEIGHBORHOOD INITIATIVES, LAND USE PLAN, UH, PLACEMENT OF MONUMENTS, MEMORIALS, MARKERS, AND PLAQUES POLICY THAT WE, UH, PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED THE MPO, LEARNING MORE ABOUT THAT AND THE MSD.

SO WE'RE HAPPY TO, UH, HAVE A WORKSHOP THAT IS, IT'S REALLY AT THE DIRECTION OF BOARD ON HOW, HOW WOULD YOU, HOW YOU WOULD LIKE US TO PROCEED.

I WILL LET YOU KNOW THAT IN OCTOBER, THAT'S WHEN WE WILL BE, BE SETTING THE SCHEDULE FOR THE NEXT YEAR.

UH, AND IF YOU'D LIKE, WE CAN INCLUDE SOME DATES IN THAT NEW SCHEDULE OR, OR HOWEVER YOU'D LIKE FOR US TO, TO ALL.

SO WE JUST NEED SOME DIRECTION FOR TYPICALLY WHEN NEW BOARDS GET SEATED, UH, WE WOULD HAVE A RETREAT, UH, WE'VE TYPICALLY DONE THAT, UH, EITHER ON ONE DAY OR TWO DAY RETREAT, UH, THAT HAS, UM, SOMEHOW PAST FEW YEARS MORPHED INTO A BUDGET WORKSHOP, WHICH IS NOT REALLY THE PURPOSE OF THE RETREAT.

UH, THE RETREAT WOULD BE TO GO OVER MANY TOPICS LIKE THE MANAGER JUST DISCUSSED WHERE WE COULD BRING GUESTS IN AND TALK AND HAVE SOME OPEN COMMUNICATION.

USUALLY WE DO THAT IN A SETTING, NOT HERE.

SO IT'S NOT SO FORMAL.

UH, WE CAN DO ONE OF THOSE, A FEW OF THOSE, OR WE CAN HAVE, YOU KNOW, WORKSHOPS.

WE USED TO HAVE WORKSHOPS.

I THINK IT WAS EVERY OTHER MONTH ON OUR AGENDA.

UH, THE PREVIOUS BOARD DECIDED NOT TO SCHEDULE THOSE AND JUST CALL FOR 'EM AS WE NEEDED THEM.

UM, BUT WHATEVER THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO DO MANY SUGGESTIONS, THE ONLY THING I WOULD SUGGEST MAYOR IS TO BENEFIT THE, UM, THE NEW BOARD MEMBERS.

AND I FOUND THIS TO BE VERY BENEFICIAL FOR MYSELF IS IF YOU'VE GOT QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS OR WANT TO LEARN SOMETHING THAT'S GOING ON OR WANTING TO KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT IT, I STRONGLY RECOMMEND

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AND THEN IF YOU, YOU YOU'LL AT LEAST BE EDUCATED ENOUGH THAT YOU CAN COME IN THIS BOARD MEETING AND, AND KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

BUT I FOUND THAT PERSONALLY, UH, A WHOLE LOT, UH, MORE HELPFUL TO SIT DOWN AND DISCUSS.

I THINK I MET WITH EVERY DEPARTMENT HEAD THERE WAS THAN WHEN I FIRST GOT ELECTED AND JUST WENT THROUGH, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU GOT GOING ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT OUT OF THE NEXT FEW YEARS? WHAT DO YOU EXPECT OUT OF THE BOARD THAT, YOU KNOW, AND JUST, YOU KNOW, LET THEM, LET THEM BRIEF YOU ON WHAT THEY'VE GOT GOING ON.

YOU CAN KIND OF DO IT AT, AT YOUR SCHEDULE AND AT YOUR TIME.

I MEAN, THAT'S JUST A RECOMMENDATION TO GET, I THINK WE NEED TO PROBABLY HAVE SOME RETREATS, BUT I THINK IT'S BENEFICIAL TO EACH OF THE NEW BOARD MEMBERS TO SIT DOWN AND TALK TO THE DEPARTMENT HEADS ONE ON ONE.

UH, I CONCUR WITH YOU.

UM, ALMAN ASKED HER, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, IT IS, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU SIT DOWN WITH THE DEPARTMENT HEAD, UM, BECAUSE A LOT OF PROJECTS MAY ALREADY BE IN PLACE AND GOING ON THAT YOU, AS A NEW ALMAN MIGHT, YOU KNOW, SEE THESE THINGS WITHIN YOUR WARD AND, AND, AND TALK WITH THAT DEPARTMENT HEAD ABOUT IT.

UM, SO I, I AGREE WITH THAT.

UM, UM, UM, FOSTER, YES, MA'AM, IS THIS, WOULD IT BE A GOOD IDEA IF LIKE WE COME UP WITH A LIST AND SUBMIT THAT LIST OF PROJECTS OR WHATEVER WE SEE WITHIN OUR WARD THAT WE FEEL NEEDS TO BE, UM, ADDRESSED AND, AND SEND THAT INFORMATION TO YOU, OR ABSOLUTELY.

IS THAT A GOOD WAY TO DO IT? YES.

AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL ARRANGE IT FOR YOU.

DOES BOARD HAVE ANY FEELING ABOUT A DAY RETREAT OR DO YOU WANT TO HAVE A COUPLE OF WORK SESSIONS IN THE EVENING? I'M OPEN FOR WHATEVER I WOULD PREFER A DAY RETREAT.

THAT'S ME.

I THINK A DAY RETREAT WOULD BE GREAT.

EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT? SO WHAT WHAT'S BEEN BENEFICIAL IN THE PAST IS THE CLERK WOULD TYPICALLY SEND OUT, UM, I THINK YOU CALL IT A DOODLE, UH, BUT IT'S A, A CALENDAR ONLINE AND EVERYBODY CAN GO IN AND PICK THE DATE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE BEST, AND YOU KIND OF PRIORITIZE THEM AND RANK THOSE.

AND THEN WE CAN COME TOGETHER ON SOMETHING THAT WORKS FOR EVERYONE.

IS THAT OKAY? I MEAN, I MEAN, ARE WE GOING TO DO, ARE WE GONNA GIVE 'EM TIME TO FIRST SIT DOWN WITH SOME OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS OR ARE WE JUST, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THIS RETREAT OR PUT THIS GET TOGETHER, OR ARE, ARE YOU WANTING TO DO IT AS A DAY RETREAT IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY TO BRING THE DEPARTMENT HEADS IN AND TALK ABOUT IT, OR HOW, HOW YOU THINK YOU WOULD BE BEST BENEFICIAL TO YOU GUYS? I THINK THAT IT WOULD WAS A GREAT IDEA FOR US IN OUR INDIVIDUAL TIME TO MEET WITH THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND THEN USED THE DAY RETREAT.

I THINK THERE WAS A LIST OF ITEMS THAT WAS CALLED OUT THAT WE COULD CONSIDER THOSE ITEMS AND, AND, UM, SEE WHAT BEST ADDRESSES THINGS THAT WE NEED TO KNOW INTERNALLY.

AND THEN AGAIN, USE THE TIME WITH THE DEPARTMENT HEADS IN OUR INDIVIDUAL TIME WHEN IT'S CONVENIENT AND, AND YOU CAN DO IT AS UP TO THREE OF YOU TOGETHER CAN MEET AT ONE TIME WITH THE, THE DEPARTMENT HEAD, IF YOU WANT TO DO IT THAT WAY AS WELL.

SO HOW WOULD THE FIRST OR SECOND WEEK OF NOVEMBER LOOK FOR RETREAT THAT WAY THAT GIVES YOU ABOUT SIX WEEKS TO MEET WITH DEPARTMENT HEADS AND GET ALL THAT INFORMATION.

THEN WE COULD, THAT ALSO GIVES STAFF TIME TO PREPARE.

CAUSE THERE IS SOME PREPARATION THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

IF WE TALKED ABOUT THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, HOUSING AUTHORITY, THOSE FOLKS WOULD BE GUESTS INVITED IN.

THEY NEED TO HAVE TIME TO PREPARE AS WELL.

MS. CLERK, DO YOU HAVE THAT? YEAH.

BRANSON, I I'D RECOMMEND, THIS IS JUST ME, JUST A RECOMMENDATION THAT AN EXISTING ORF RED, FORMER BOARD MEMBER WOULD BE A PART OF THAT.

ANYTHING ELSE MR. HUGHES? YES, SIR.

UM, SO THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THIS PAST YEAR, UH, THE FINANCE DIRECTOR HAS TALKED ABOUT, UH, AN AUDIT COMMITTEE AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

AND SO THE GOAL IS TO HAVE AT LEAST TWO ELECTED OFFICIALS SERVE ON THAT AUDIT COMMITTEE.

THAT WAY YOU CAN HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE WHAT ALL GOES INTO THE AUDIT, LEARN MORE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, THE FINANCES THAT, THAT OCCUR WITH THE CITY.

OUR, OUR AUDIT IS DUE OCTOBER 31ST OF THIS YEAR.

AND SO WE DO PLAN ON HAVING A FEW MEETINGS.

AND SO IF, IF, IF WE DO HAVE TWO AUTOMATED ARE INTERESTED IN SERVING ON THAT COMMITTEE, UH, WE'D LOVE TO GET YOUR NAMES NOW, SO WE CAN INCLUDE YOU IN THOSE MEETINGS.

AMAN

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CAUSE WE KIND OF HAVE SOME IDEA AND YOU COULD HAVE THREE, RIGHT? YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE TWO.

WE CAN HAVE THREE.

THAT'S GONNA HAVE THREE.

OH, I'LL STILL ON THAT, THIS, OKAY.

AMAN, BEST ALDERMAN SSON ANYBODY ELSE? ALL RIGHT.

IF YOU WANT TO JUST ADD ME TO THE LIST, IF I'M AVAILABLE, I'LL BE HAPPY TO PARTICIPATE.

TWO MORE THINGS.

THE NEXT THING IS AS NEW BOARD MEMBERS, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH ETHICS TRAINING.

IT MUST GO THROUGH THAT, UM, EACH, EACH ELECTION CYCLE.

SO, UM, THE NEXT CYCLE, IF YOU CHOOSE TO RUN FOR, FOR ELECTED OFFICIAL, AGAIN, YOU'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN.

SO THE TRAINING THAT LASTS APPROXIMATELY TWO HOURS, AND SO WE'VE GOT AN OPTION.

YOU CAN, UH, SIGN UP TO DO INDIVIDUAL TRAINING ONLINE, OR WE COULD DO A GROUP TRAINING, UH, WHATEVER THE BOARD PREFER.

BRENDA WILL SET EITHER ONE OF THOSE TRAININGS UP, ANY THOUGHT I'D LIKE THE GROUP TRAINING.

UH, IT'S ALWAYS GOOD THAT WE CAN BOUNCE IDEAS OFF OF EACH OTHER.

AND THEN LEARN TOGETHER.

WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME.

HOW LONG DO WE HAVE TO GET THAT DONE? IT'S A REALLY SHORT WINDOW OF 12 MONTHS.

OH, .

AND, AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN INCLUDE IN A WORK SESSION.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING READY TO SAY.

IF WE COULD DO IT ON THAT WORK SESSION, MAYBE KICK THE DAY OFF WITH THAT, GET EVERYBODY'S JUICES FLOWING AND THEN SURE.

AND THE LAST THING I HAVE FOR YOU IS, UH, IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU'LL SEE, UH, AN UPDATED, A RT FUND ALLOCATION SPREADSHEET IT'S BY WARD.

AND SO ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT THAT IS IN RED AT THE FRONT HAS BEEN ON THE NORFOLK SOUTHERN, OH, ACTUALLY NORTH CAROLINA RAILROAD CULVERT, AND GEORGE, IF YOU'D COME UP AND GIVE US AN UPDATE ON, ON WHAT WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH WITH THAT NAMED MAYOR BOARD EVENING, UM, THAT THIS PARTICULAR CULVERT, WHICH FALLS RIGHT ON THE BOUNDARY LINE BETWEEN, UM, ALDERMAN BEST AND ALMAN MCKINSEY'S WARD, UM, ALSO HAS INTERACTION WITH THE, UH, NORTH CAROLINA RAILROAD.

SO WHERE IT'S COVERED UNDERNEATH RAILROAD, UM, RIGHT NOW DO KINDA THE WAY WE'RE LOOKING AT IT, DO THE COMPLEXITY OF WHAT'S NEEDED TO GET THIS DONE.

AND THE PLAYERS INVOLVED TO GET IT DONE IN TIMELINESS TO MEET DEADLINES.

I THINK IT WOULD BE BEST IF WE REALLOCATE YOUR FUNDS TO ANOTHER PROJECT.

THAT'S NOT TO SAY THIS PROJECT IS NOT NEEDED.

WE'LL JUST NEED TO LOOK FOR A DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCE TO GET THIS TAKEN CARE OF.

AND NOW THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION ON THAT COVER OVER IS THAT BECAUSE OF THE TIMEFRAME WE HAVE WITH THE AQUA FUNDS, IT'S BECAUSE OF THE TIMEFRAME AND INITIAL DISCUSSIONS THAT STAFF HAS HAD WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.

WE JUST DON'T SEE GETTING ANYTHING TOGETHER IN THIS TIMEFRAME.

SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A ARM WRESTLING MATCH BETWEEN ALDERMAN KINZIE AND ALDERMAN BEST TO FIGURE OUT WHO'S GONNA PAY FOR IT.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THAT'S CORRECT.

IT'S UH, UM, THE BOARD WOULD JUST NEED TO, TO, TO MAKE A VOTE ON, ON PULLING THAT BACK AND THEN THAT OCCURS IN, UM, EACH ORMAN WOULD HAVE THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF FUNDS REMAINING.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO CALL ME SOMETIME THIS WEEK AND LET ME KNOW, AND WE CAN START ON THE GLEN ON THE, UH, RACE TRACK ROAD PROJECT.

WE, WE CAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY SIT DOWN AND DO THAT.

WE CAN.

SO, UM, MR. HUGHES AT THIS POINT, AT THIS TIME, CAN WE, UH, I KNOW WE HAVE TO APPROVE THIS, UM, ALLOCATION.

SO CAN WE DO THAT AT THIS POINT? UM, MAYOR, WE ACTUALLY WANT TO REMOVE, REVERSE IT, REMOVE, REMOVE THAT ONE, RIGHT? OKAY.

SO YES WE CAN.

BUT I, OKAY.

I'M NOT GONNA GO THERE, BUT IT WAS ALREADY GIVEN BACK TO ME IN WARD FIVE, BUT WE CONCLUDED THAT AT ANOTHER MEETING.

SO, WELL, JUST, JUST TO BE CLEAR SINCE WE'VE HAD SO MANY CHANGES, LET'S JUST BE CLEAR AND WE'LL DO A MOTION AND A VOTE ON IT.

SO YOU NOT HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

DO, DO YOU FEEL THAT YOU MADE NEED TO UPDATE THE BOARD MEMBER ZONE? WHAT HAPPENED OR REASON WITH THESE A P FUNDS OR WHILE WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS OR YOU DON'T THINK THERE'S NEED? I I'M GOING THERE.

OF WHAT, UH, FOUR AND FIVE, THE REASON WHY WE ARE DOING THIS TONIGHT, BUT, UM, IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS FROM, UH, ALMAN PR OR LIN, UH, ROYAL I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

I DIDN'T KNOW WARD ONE AND WAR TWO DOESN'T HAVE ANY MONEY LEFT.

SO NOT MUCH TO UPDATE 'EM ON, WE COULD UPDATE 'EM ON THE PROJECTS THAT'S BEEN APPROVED FOR THEIR WARDS, BUT OKAY.

WE CAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY GO OVER THAT IF, IF YOU WOULD LIKE, NO, I WAS JUST SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY

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I SECOND, I MAKE A MOTION TO PULL IT.

I MAKE A MOTION TO PULL THE, UM, 500, WELL, I HAVE, EXCUSE ME, $400,400,000.

UM, FROM THE, UH, PROPOSED, UM, A R P ALLOCATION PROJECTS FUND FOR THE NORTH, FOR THE SOUTHERN, FOR THE NORTH CAROLINA RAILROAD FOR THE NORTH CAROLINA RAILROAD.

SAY IT, HAVE A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR.

SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED MOTION PASSES.

SO THE PHONE CALL WILL BE SO, SO NOW, UM, CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO GO AHEAD AND ALLOCATE MY FUNDS STILL PROJECT FUND? YOU MAY WANT TO DO THAT IN NEW BUSINESS.

AND WE'LL CIRCLE BACK.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TONIGHT, SIR.

NEW

[30. New Business.]

BUSINESS.

WE'LL START WITH OTTMAN FRILL.

OUR CHIEF BOY, CAN YOU GIVE US UPDATE ON THE, THE, UH, GRANT THAT THE I'M GONNA ASK CHIEF BOY TO COME UP HERE AND GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THE GRANT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.

SO BASICALLY, YEAH, WE WERE AWARDED TO FEMA GRANT, UH, FOR TWO SEVEN, 2,002 MILLION, I MEAN, 276,000 SOME CHANGE OUR PART OF ABOUT 27,000.

SO WE WERE A 10% MATCH THAT IS TO REPLACE OUR CBA ON OUR FIRST OUT UNITS.

UH, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT A WHILE BACK, IF IT DID NOT OCCUR, IT DIDN'T HAVE TO BE IN THE CAPITAL.

SO WE WERE VERY PLEASED TO RECEIVE THE MONEY FROM FEMA.

NOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD THAT PROJECT.

AND HOW MANY MORE UNITS DO YOU NEED CHIEF TO HAVE IT COMPLETELY OUTFITTED, HAVE EVERYTHING WITH THE NEW AIR PACKS WE HAD APPLIED FOR THIS GRANT LAST YEAR.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DETERMINED THAT WE WERE NOT ALLOWED TO PUT SCBA UNITS ON OUR RESERVE APPARATUS.

SO WE, WHEN WE DID IT THIS TIME, WE JUST DID IT ON OUR FIRST OUT, BUT I RESERVE APPARATUS ARE IMPORTANT ALSO.

CAUSE IF WE HAVE TO CALL IN PERSONNEL FOR A STORM, WHATEVER THEY NEED THE AIR PACK ON.

SO, SO WE'RE ABOUT 10 PACK SHORT AT THIS POINT, WHICH IS THERE'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

HOW MUCH ARE THEY AT PIECE BEST WE CAN TELL RIGHT NOW THE MARKET'S CHANGING.

SO THEY GET READY TO GO UP BEST WE TELL RIGHT NOW ABOUT $7,500 A PIECE.

SO THAT BEING SAID, NUMBER ONE, CONGRATULATIONS ON THAT GRANT THAT WAS, UH, SAVED THE CITY OF NEW BRUN, A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY.

YOU AND YOUR STAFF SHOULD BE VERY PROUD OF RECEIVING THAT GRANT.

UH, AND THAT BEING SAID, BOARD MEMBERS, I WOULD LIKE TO ALLOCATE $75,000 OF A R P FUNDS TO PURCHASE THE 10 SCBA PACKS THAT ARE NEEDED TO COMPLETE THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS.

UM, UH, WHAT KIND OF PACK? SORRY TO SIGN CBAS.

ABA.

IT STARTS, BUT WHAT NAME? BRAND MAIN BREATHING APPARATUS FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW JUST WHAT IT'S, WHAT DO YOU SEE ON THEIR BACKS? THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE BREATHING THERE WITH AND IT'S TO GO ON OUR RESERVE APPARATUS AND WHAT, I'M SORRY, BUT WHAT NAME BRAND ARE THEY? WE'RE GOING WITH MSA.

THEN I WOULD LIKE TO ALLOCATE $75,000 A R P FUNDS TO PURCHASE 10, UM, SCBA PACKS TO COMPLETE THE COMPLIMENT.

JUST TO BE CLEAR THIS OUTTA YOUR ALLOTMENT.

SECOND, SECOND, HAVE A SECOND.

UM, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES.

AND I ALSO, UM, THANK YOU CHIEF.

I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH GOOD JOB ON THAT GRANT.

I, WE THERE SEVERAL OF THESE, UH, ELECTRONIC SPEED SIGNS THAT WERE, UM, WANT TO BE PURCHASED BY SOME OF THE DIFFERENT, UM, AMAN.

I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW MANY, UM, THEY WERE PURCHASED, BUT I KNOW THAT I'VE GOT FOUR THAT I HAVE BOARDS APPROVED AND OF THOSE FOUR, I HAVE TWO OF THEM THAT ARE GOING INTO A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND I TALKED TO GEORGE AND ASKED GEORGE, IF HE WOULD PLEASE GET ME THE ONE THAT HAD THE SIGN ON THE BOTTOM OF IT, THAT IF SOMEONE'S EXCEEDING THE 25 MILE AN HOUR SPEED ZONE, IT ACTUALLY FLASHES THEIR SPEED AND SAYS SLOW

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DOWN.

AND AS A RESULT OF THAT CHANGE, THEY'RE $280 A PIECE HIGHER.

AND SO I WOULD ASK THAT THE BOARD WOULD INCREASE MY, UH, A R P ALLOTMENT TO 500, $560 TO PURCHASE THOSE, UH, TWO SLOW DOWN SIGNS FOR, UH, THE EVANS MILL SUBDIVISION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, HAVE A SECOND ALL IN FAVOR OF SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED LOTION CARRIES AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THANK YOU, HONOR.

MCKENZIE.

FOSTER, COULD YOU GIVE US AN UPDATE ON STANLEY WHITE? SO THE ARCHITECTS HAD BEEN WORKING ON THE DESIGN, UH, DRAWINGS FOR THAT, UH, HAD A, THE INTERIM PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR.

AND I HAD OUR LAST MEETING WITH THEM.

ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO.

WE EXPECT THEM TO COME BACK WITH SOME FINAL DRAWINGS AND, AND SOME FINAL COST ESTIMATES FOR US VERY SOON.

AND WE ANTICIPATE THIS GOING, UH, UH, TO BID HOPEFULLY WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.

SO THEY'VE BEEN MOVING ALONG VERY WELL.

AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO WHEN WE CAN PUT THAT PROJECT OUT TO BID AND GET STARTED ON CONSTRUCTION, HOPEFULLY RIGHT AFTER THE FIRST OF THIS YEAR.

WHAT ABOUT THE SKATE PARK? UH, ANY, ANY CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT? THE ONE AT MARTIN MARIETTA PARK.

SO AT, AT THIS TIME WE'RE NOT PLANNING ON DOING THE SKATE PARK, UH, AT MARTIN MARIETTA PARK.

WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT ACCESS FOR, FOR KIDS THAT MAY NOT HAVE A VEHICLE RIDING A BIKE RIDING NEAR SKATE PARK, SIX SKATEBOARD OVER TO THAT AREA.

IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT.

SO WE LOOKED AT CHANGING THAT LOCATION TO, UH, NEAR WEATHER WEST NEWBURN RECREATION CENTER IS OKAY.

CENTRALLY LOCATED.

SO WE DO HAVE FUNDS IN, IN PLACE AND PARKS AND RECREATIONS TO DO A DESIGN FOR PROPOSED SKATE PARK.

THERE'S CURRENTLY FUNDING IN PLACE TO, TO BUILD A SKATE PARK.

SO THE DESIGN IS THE FIRST PHASE, WHICH WE WILL BE DOING IN THIS CURRENT BUDGET YEAR.

AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE, SIR.

ALL IN BEST.

UM, I LIKE TO BRING FORTH, UM, TO GET A PROJECT FUND SET UP FOR, UH, $500,725 OF A R P FUNDS.

UM, FOR WARD FIVE TO GET THAT PROJECT FUND STARTED FOR THE NORTH HILLS SIMMONS STREET, HAZEL AVENUE FLOW WATER STORM WATERS.

SO IF THE BOARD, UM, SO PLEASE TO ALLOW THIS PROJECT.

WE HAVE A SECOND ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

AYE, AYE.

ANY POSTS HAVE IT.

SO WOULD I HAVE TO DO THE SAME THING? UH, SHE COVERED THE WHOLE ENTIRE ORDEAL FOR THE FUNDS FOR MYSELF AND HER FOR, FOR HERSELF AS WELL AS ME.

SO I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE DONE ANYTHING FOR RACE TRACK ROAD YET.

HAVE WE? NO, NO, YOU HAVE TO.

SO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN, IN ANYTHING WITH RACETRACK ROAD NOW WOULD BE THE TIME TO, TO YES I AM.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS SPEAKING TO GEORGE JESSE TO, UH, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER WOULD BE, BUT, UM, IT WOULD BE PRETTY CLOSE TO WHAT I HAVE.

UM, SO WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE THE ORANGE COME UP AND OKAY.

GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THAT.

UM, HONOR, MCKENZIE, I BELIEVE THAT THE NUMBER THAT, THAT, THAT THE CITY MANAGER AND I HAD DISCUSSED WHAT WE HAD TO DO, WE TOOK THE, THE BASIC CONSTRUCTION COST ESTIMATES THAT THE MOST RECENT ONES IN THE LAST, PROBABLY FOUR MONTHS WE'VE RECEIVED FROM THE ENGINEERS, WE HAD TO DO A LITTLE INFLATIONARY NUMBER ON IT.

SO THE NUMBER ACTUALLY THAT I BELIEVE THAT WE HAD ON HERE IS, UM, 1 MILLION, 17,000 3 92 IS KIND OF WHERE WE THOUGHT IT WOULD FALL IN.

AND, UH, WE'LL STATE THAT.

LET'S TAKE MY ESTIMATES WITH A LITTLE GRAIN OF SALT UNTIL WE HAVE 'EM BID OUT TO SEE WHERE THEY FALL.

CAUSE THE INFLATIONARY COST ON CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.

UM, LITTLE REALITY CHECK ON SOME BY NUMBER SOMETIMES.

SO WE THINK WE'VE PUT ENOUGH BUFFER IN THERE TO COVER IT.

SO I DO HAVE ENOUGH TO COVER THAT.

I BELIEVE WE DO.

SO I LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND RELEASE MY FUNDS AS WELL TONIGHT.

SO WHAT I HAVE TO, WHAT IS JUST MAKE A MOTION FOR, I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR ALL PEOPLE.

I THINK HE SAID, IT'S THIS NUMBER RIGHT THERE.

MM-HMM I LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION FOR THE A R P FOR 1 MILLION 17, 3 92.

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ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? I HAVE IT.

WERE YOU DONE ALL MY BEST WITH NEW BUSINESS? NO, NO I WASN'T.

BUT I YIELDED BEFORE TO MY COLLEAGUE.

WE NEED TO GET THIS ARP FUND AND STUFF.

THANK YOU, FINALIZED.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

UM, SO, UM, FOSTER, I GUESS I NEED TO GET WITH, UM, GEORGE AS WELL TO SEE WHEN WE CAN START, UM, TO GET THIS PROJECT IN, IN THE WORKINGS.

NOW I KNOW THAT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE SHOULD ALREADY HAVE DRAP.

I THINK IT WAS DRAPER.

AIDEN.

WE CAN, WE CAN ASK GEORGE FOR AN UPDATE IF YOU LIKE.

OKAY, PLEASE.

BEST I BELIEVE WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO WAS THE NORTH HILLS DRAINING STUDY.

CORRECT.

AND WE HAD A MEETING WITH CONSULTANTS ON MONDAY AND WERE EXPECTING A, A MEMO BACK FROM THEM IN OCTOBER.

AND THAT WHAT IN THAT MEMO WILL PROVIDE IS WHAT THEY FOUND AND THEN WHAT RECOMMENDATIONS THEY WILL MAKE TO IMPROVE THE DRAINAGE IN THE NORTH HILLS AREA.

AND SO WITH THE MONEY THAT YOU'VE ALLOCATED TONIGHT, WE CAN THEN LOOK TO FUND WHAT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE THAT WE DECIDE ON THAT WOULD SUIT BEST.

UM, WITH THAT, WITH THAT MONEY, IF, IF THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING FROM YOU IS WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE.

YES, I WANT THAT COMPLETE 500 AND $725 OR WHATEVER TO GO TO THE, UH, STORM ORDER, CORRECT.

UM, PROJECT FOR THE NORTH HILLS IN SIMMONS STREET.

AND WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT TO SEE WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE TO SEE IT.

SEE WHAT EXACTLY OKAY.

BUT WE SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING THE NEXT ONE FOR THAT.

UM, DON'T GO ANYWHERE.

I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU AS WELL.

UM, THERE WAS A, UM, STORMWATER INSPECTION REPORT THAT WAS JUST, I THINK, MAYBE DONE WITHIN THE LAST MONTH OR TWO IS WHAT DID THAT COVER? WHAT WAS THAT PERTAINING TO, WAS THAT PERTAINING TO THE MIDDLE STREET AREA OR WAS THAT THE STORMWATER INSPECTION REPORT CITYWIDE? UH, ARE WE, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT AN INDIVIDUAL SITE? UM, NO, IT'S IN OUR, IN OUR, UM, UM, MONTHLY REPORTS, MONTHLY OR MONTHLY OR WEEKLY REPORT, WEEKLY OR MONTHLY REPORT, IT COVERS THE STORM WATER, UH, IMPROVED IN STATIONS REPORT, BUT THERE'S NO DETAIL BEHIND.

I CAN TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS.

THAT'S PART OF OUR MS. FOUR PERMITTING THROUGH THE STATE WHERE WE HAVE TO, WE DO NITROGEN REDUCTION TO REQUIRE PERMITS THROUGH THE CITY NEW BURN PART OF OUR PERMITTING PROCESS AND REQUIREMENT BY THE STATE IS THAT WE DO ANNUAL INSPECTIONS OF ALL OF THE PERMITTED SITES, UH, IN THE CITY.

SO WE, THAT WHEN, WHEN YOU SEE THAT IN OUR WEEKLY REPORT, THAT MEANS WE'VE HAD AN INSPECTOR GO ON SITE, SEE THAT STORM WATER OR SCM DOES STORM WATER CONTROL MEASURE FOR EACH DEVELOPMENT.

SO, UM, CAROLINA COLORS HAS THERE DOZENS IN CAROLINA COLORS FOR LARGER DEVELOPMENTS, A SMALLER DEVELOPMENT MAY HAVE ONE STORM POND AND AN OUTLET STRUCTURE.

SO WE DO INSPECT THOSE ANNUALLY NOW.

AND SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN THAT REPORT IS JUST A REFLECTION OF THOSE INSPECTIONS BEING ACCOMPLISHED.

THANK YOU FOR, UM, CLEARING THAT UP FOR ME.

MA'AM UM, DON'T GO ANYWHERE.

I GOT SOMETHING ELSE.

UM, ALSO, CAN YOU GIVE ME AN UPDATE ON THE GARDEN STREET SIDEWALK, PROJECT? I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING BACK FROM THAT, WHETHER, UM, THE SURVEY OF ENGINEERS OR WHAT, WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE UPDATE ON THAT? WE HAVE THE, THE SURVEY BACK AND, UM, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SIT DOWN SOMETIME WE CAN LOOK AT IT.

UM, WHAT, RIGHT NOW IT IS NOT A FUNDED AREA TO DO, UM, TO DO THE SIDEWALK WHEN IT DOES DO THE, SOME GUIDANCE OF WHAT WE CAN DO IN THAT AREA TO WORK OUR WAY TOWARDS THE NEW STANLEY WHITE REC CENTER.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN? THERE'S NO FUNDS THERE.

I THOUGHT WE DISCUSSED THIS BEFORE ABOUT FUNDING FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, UM, GARDEN STREET SIDEWALK FOR CONSTRUCTION THOUGH.

MA'AM WE, WE HAVE HAD FUNDING FOR THE FIRST, FIRST PHASE OF THE SURVEY WORK.

THAT WAS PROVIDED TO US MA, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A WHERE, WHERE I COULD SAY THAT WE, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA CONSTRUCT YOU.

CAUSE WE HAVE TO LOOK FOR THAT PATH OF, THROUGH, THROUGH THAT AREA.

UM, THERE'S ONE OTHER THING I HAD, UM, THAT'S OKAY.

THAT'S OKAY.

WE ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH, UM, SHARON BRYANT SHE'S, UM, OUR AFRICAN AMERICAN OUTREACH COORDINATOR.

THANK YOU, SIR.

AND I WILL GET WITH YOU.

AND I HAVE ONE OTHER THING HERE, UM, FROM A CITIZEN THAT WANTED ME TO SHARE THIS, UM, ON, UM, OCTOBER 12TH AT THE NORTH CAROLINA HISTORY CENTER AT 7:00 PM.

UM,

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UM, THEY ARE HAVING A COMMUNITY INPUT, UM, AND THEY NEED THE COMMUNITY TO COME OUT.

UM, THIS IS IN REFERENCE TO, UM, INCLUSIVE PUBLIC ART INITIATIVE AND THE INITIATIVE IS INTENDED TO USE PERMANENT PUBLIC ART TO SHARE STORIES OF DIVERSITY, EQUITY, AND INCLUSION IN AN EFFORT TO STIMULATE COMMUNITY CONVERSATION, TO PROVIDE A SHARED AND FULL UNDERSTANDING OF OUR COMMON HISTORY.

SO THIS IS A COMMUNITY INPUT FORM ON OCTOBER 12TH, UM, AT 7:00 PM AT THE NORTH CAROLINA HISTORY CENTER.

AND IF YOU NEED MORE INFORMATION, YOU CAN CONTACT THE HISTORY CENTER, MS. SHARON BRYANT.

AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE MAYOR.

UM, I REALLY LIKE TO COMMEND THE, UH, PUBLIC WORKS AND THE WATER FOLKS, PARTICULARLY, UH, AVERY SMITH FOR PUMPING OUT UNION POINT ALL WEEKEND.

UH, BASICALLY KEEPING A DRIVE FOR MS. BIKE RIDE PARTICIPANTS.

AND THEN, UH, I ENDED UP PULLING HIM OUT TO, UH, HANDLE A FLOODING SITUATION ON HIGHWAY 17.

SO HE BASICALLY WORKED JUST ABOUT THE WHOLE WEEKEND AND, UH, ALONG WITH GEORGE OUT THERE, UH, ON SUNDAY, AND THEN THE LAST TWO DAYS WE'VE BEEN OUT AT BELL OAKS AND CRAVER FOREST TWICE.

SO, UH, THANKS FOR, FOR THOSE GUYS DOING SUCH A GREAT JOB.

I, I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND THEN, UH, I'M WORKING ON FOUR STORM WATER PROJECTS AND WARD FOUR FOR THE APA FUNDS.

AND SO, UH, SINCE I HAVEN'T GOTTEN ESTIMATES ON THOSE, WE WILL I'LL ADDRESS THOSE IN THE NEXT MEETING, SO.

IS THAT ALL? OKAY.

I WON'T, UM, WON'T BORE YOU ALL WITH A BUNCH OF DETAILS, BUT, UH, I WILL TELL YOU THAT SINCE, UH, AUGUST THE 15TH, SINCE WE WERE SWORN IN, UM, IT'S BEEN VERY BUSY.

IT'S BEEN A LOT ON THE AGENDA, A LOT GOING ON.

UH, I HAVE MET WITH EACH AND EVERY MEMBER OF THE HOUSING AUTHORITY COMMISSION, AS WELL AS THEIR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.

I MET WITH HER ALONG WITH OUR CITY MANAGER.

UM, SO I'M, I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT WAS A TOPIC THAT THEY WANTED TO DISCUSS, UH, DURING A WORKSHOP.

THERE'S A LOT OF, I THINK, MISUNDERSTANDING AND MISCONCEPTIONS, UH, WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY BOARD, THE CITY OF NEW BERN, EXACTLY.

WHO'S IN CHARGE OF RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT.

SO I THINK IT'LL BE GOOD FOR US TO ALL GET ON THE SAME PAGE I SHARED WITH HER THAT, UH, IT WAS MY GOAL, UH, FOR WHATEVER POLITICAL WILL THAT WE HAVE TO GET SOME CONSTRUCTION FENCES PUT AROUND TRENT COURT AND TO START TO SEE SOME DEMOLITION BY THE END OF THIS YEAR, UH, I WENT AND FOUND A NOTE IN MY FILE WHEN I WAS CLEANING OUT MY OFFICE A FEW DAYS AGO.

AND IT WAS FROM ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO WHERE WE HAD A MEETING WITH THOUSAND AUTHORITY AND THEY TOLD US THAT IT WAS THEIR GOAL IN A FEW MONTHS TO START SEEING SOME DEMOLITION GOING ON.

AND YOU CAN SEE WE'RE IN TWO YEARS NOW PAST THAT, UM, ALSO REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, UM, THE MANAGER AND I, ALONG WITH A COUPLE STAFF MEMBERS RODE AROUND, UH, REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION AREA, UM, QUITE A BIT, I THINK, A COUPLE HOURS THE OTHER DAY.

AND WE LOOKED AT SOME DERELICT HOUSES AND SOME PROPERTIES.

UH THERE'S I THINK WE HAVE A LIST OF OVER A HUNDRED, THAT STAFF IS MAINTAINING.

UH, BUT THERE WERE ALSO SOME ON THERE THAT WERE NOT EVEN ON THEIR LIST AND IT'S HOUSES WITH BUSTED OUT WINDOWS, VINES, GROWING UP THE SIDE, UH, UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S SOME LEGAL COMPLEXITY TO SOME OF THOSE WITH AIR PROPERTIES ON WHO ACTUALLY OWNS THEM.

UH, BUT WE HAD A GOOD CONVERSATION, GOOD DISCUSSION AROUND THAT.

I KNOW THAT'LL BE A TOPIC THAT WE CAN DISCUSS DURING THE WORKSHOP AS WELL, BUT, UH, AND THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, SPEND A FEW MINUTES WITH THE CHAMBER, UM, COMMITTEE THIS MORNING, CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, UH, SPOKE WITH THEM FOR A LITTLE BIT.

AND I STRESSED TO THEM, UH, THE IMPORTANCE THAT I THOUGHT THEY PLAYED IN OUR COMMUNITY.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE FOCUSED ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A GROUP THERE THAT SUPPORTS HIM AS WELL.

ONE THING THAT, UH, I ASK THEM AND, AND THE CLERK TO DO IS TO PUT, THEY HAVE A LOT OF EVENTS.

DON'T GET ME WRONG.

OMAN BRENTON KNOWS.

CAUSE I'VE SEEN 'EM AT SEVERAL.

THEY HAVE A LOT OF EVENTS.

THEY HAVE MORNING EVENTS, THEY HAVE EVENING EVENTS, THEY HAVE MIDDAY EVENTS.

UH, THEY ALSO OBVIOUSLY DO A LOT OF RIBBON CUTTINGS AND, UM, ASK THE CLERK TO PLEASE PUT THAT ON OUR CALENDARS.

UH, MS. CLERK, DID YOU DECIDE WE WERE GONNA DO THAT? IF IT FALLS IN SOMEONE'S WARD, WE'RE GONNA PUT THAT AMAN ON THE INVITE.

SO IF YOU SEE AN INVITE POP UP ON YOUR CALENDAR, IT'S A RIBBON CUTTING OR AN EVENT THAT TAKES PLACE IN YOUR WARD.

UH, I PLEDGE TO THEM THAT IT WAS MY GOAL AND DESIRE TO SEE THE CITY HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE AT ALL OF THOSE EVENTS, ESPECIALLY THE RIBBON CUTTINGS.

IF SOMEONE IS MAKING AN INVESTMENT IN OUR CITY, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A SMALL BUSINESS, THAT'S A LEAP OF FAITH OFTENTIMES BY SOMEONE.

AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE CITY HAS A FACE THERE, WHETHER IT'S A GOVERNING BOARD MEMBER OR A STAFF MEMBER, BUT JUST SOMEONE THERE TO SHOW SUPPORT FOR THEM.

SO, UH,

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THAT'S ALL THE NEW

[31 . Closed Session.]

BUSINESS I HAD.

I BELIEVE WE DO NEED A CLOSED SESSION.

MR. ATTORNEY.