Sep 21, 2022 Historic Preservation Commission

AND I, I DIDN'T SEE ANY MINUTES IN OUR FOLDER ONLINE, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

SO WE'LL SKIP THAT PART OF THINGS.

THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION IS A PUBLIC COMMISSION APPOINTED BY THE CITY OF NEW BES BOARD OF ALDERMAN.

[4.A. Hearings: Introduction, Swearing-In, Summary of Process]

IT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PRESERVING AND SAFEGUARDING, NEW BES, LOCALLY, DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICT DOWNTOWN AND RIVERSIDE USING US DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, STATE STATUTES, CITY ORDINANCES, AND NEW BE'S HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES.

TWO OF THE MAJOR TASKS OF THE HPC INCLUDE APPROVING APPLICATIONS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND PREVENTING DEMOLITION OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES.

DUE TO NEGLECT THE HPC HOLDS QUASI HOLDS A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING ON AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.

THE COMMISSION HEARS SWORN TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT BY PARTIES WHO RECEIVE NOTICE OF THE HEARING AND BY OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT EVIDENCE AND ARE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THE APPLICATION.

THE COMMISSION CANNOT CONSIDER COMMENTS BASED ON PERSONAL LIKES OR DISLIKES, HEARSAY, OR PERSONAL OPINION THAT CANNOT BE DIRECTLY RELATED TO SPECIFIC HISTORIC GUIDELINES.

LIKEWISE, COMMISSIONERS SHALL REFRAIN FROM STATING PERSONAL OPINION, PERSONAL LIKES OR DISLIKES OR HEARSAY DURING A HEARING THE COMMISSION'S DECISION ON AN APPLICATION IS BASED SOLELY ON THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PRESENTED AT A HEARING THAT DIRECTLY RELATES TO THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES.

SO WITH THAT MAP, CAN WE SWEAR IN OUR SPEAKERS THIS EVENING? CERTAINLY.

ANYONE WOULD LIKE THE, SO MATT, WHILE WE'RE SIGNING IN, ARE ALL OUR APPLICATIONS APPEARING TONIGHT TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, UH, THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA? I DON'T DO NOT KNOW.

WE COULD PULL THE AUDIENCE.

I SUPPOSE.

I KNOW SOMEONE IS THE APPLICANT IS HERE FROM SEVEN 15 EAST FRONT.

UH, IS THERE SOMEONE REPRESENTING 5 0 7 GEORGE STREET HERE? YEAH, I SEE CHRIS AND 4 0 4 AVENUE B.

OKAY, GREAT.

SEVEN, 15 EAST FRONT STREET APPEARS TO BE OUR FIRST BUSINESS STORE.

UH, IN SUMMARY, UH, THIS IS HOW WE WILL GENERALLY CONDUCT A HEARING ON A COA APPLICATION.

UH, THE HPC ADMINISTRATOR PROVIDES AN OVERVIEW OF THE APPLICATION.

THE APPLICANT, UH, PRESENTS THE APPLICATION PROPONENTS AND OPPONENTS WHO RECEIVE NOTICE OF THE HEARING CAN PRESENT EVIDENCE.

UH, REBUTTAL IS ALLOWED BY THE APPLICANT AND BY PROPONENTS AND OPPONENTS WHO RECEIVE NOTICE OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT INFORMATION AND WILL BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED, CAN PRESENT EVIDENCE.

UM, THEN THE HPC ADMINISTRATOR PRESENTS STAFF FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.

UH, THE APPLICANT HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE FINAL COMMENTS ON THEIR APPLICATION.

UH, THE COMMISSION WILL DISCUSS EVIDENCE AND MAY ASK FOR CLARIFICATION FROM THE APPLICANT, UH, CHAIRMAN, UH, ULTIMATELY WANTS THE DISCUSSION IS WOUND DOWN, WE'LL CALL FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE OR DENY THE APPLICATION WITH STATED FINDINGS OF FACT, UM, THEN WE'LL, UH, MOTION WILL BE DISCUSSED BY THE COMMISSION AND THEN WE'LL CALL FOR A VOTE.

SO A COA CAN EITHER BE APPROVED, APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS OR DENIED.

SO WITH THAT SAID, MATT, IF YOU COULD, UM,

[4.B. 715 E. Front St. – to include a new infill house and to consider issuing the CoA for demolition.]

THAT'S CORRECT.

I'LL UH, START THE APPLICATION HERE.

TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES.

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HERE'S THE BEGINNING OF THE APPLICATION? UM, SORRY.

UH, SEVEN 15 EAST FRONT STREET PROPERTY OWNER IS GEORGE AEN AND THE APP APPLICANTS IS GO, IS GO ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, SARAH UPFLOW BOX.

UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THE APPLICATION IS FILLED OUT AND CHECKED OFF AND SIGNED BY THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE, WHICH IS HERE DULY NOTED ON THEIR OWNER'S AUTHORIZATION TO REPRESENT MR. AIKEN.

AND THESE FIRST TWO IMAGES ARE VERY LARGE.

SO THIS GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE EXISTING CONDITION AT LEAST, UH, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, UM, WHEN THEY TOOK THIS IMAGE, UH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, UM, HOUSE WITH NO ROOF ON IT.

UH, AND, UH, AS YOU MAY, SOME OF YOU WERE INVOLVED WITH, AND SOME ARE NEW TO THIS.

IT WAS THE DEMOLITION OF THIS BUILDING WAS APPROVED BY THE HPC, UH, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, SIX MONTHS AGO, APPROXIMATELY, UH, AND THE, HOWEVER, THE COA WAS NOT ISSUED AT THAT TIME BECAUSE OUR RULES REQUIRE THAT THE REPLACEMENT BE APPROVED BEFORE THE DEMOLITION MAY BEGIN.

AND SO TONIGHT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE REPLACEMENT.

SO HERE WE HAVE, UH, PLANS FOR THE REPLACEMENT.

THIS IS, UH, THE FIRST SHEET, WHICH GIVES YOU A, A THUMBNAIL SKETCH OF THE FRONT WE'LL I CAN MAKE THESE BIGGER NOW.

CONFIGURATION AND SIZE, UH, AND THE WAY THE STEPS ARE CONFIGURED.

UH, AND THESE ARE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE EXISTING SITE, UM, PRETTY MUCH, UH, FROM LEFT TO RIGHT.

THE CENTER ONE IS ACTUALLY THE SITE, UH, AND ON THE LEFT TO SEE THE HOUSE TO THE LEFT AND ON THE RIGHT TO SEE THE HOUSE TO THE RIGHT OF THE SITE.

UH, AND THEN HERE IS MORE OF A PANORAMIC SHOT, WHICH GIVES YOU A SHOT ALL THE WAY DOWN THE STREET TO THE LEFT, UH, TO THE SOUTH AND THEN TO THE RIGHT OR TO THE NORTH.

AND YOU CAN EVEN SEE, UH, QUEENS POINT ON THE RIGHT HERE AS WELL.

SO TO GIVE YOU THE CONTEXT, UH, THEY'VE ALSO PROVIDED THE FLOOR PLANT THIS BEING THE SITE PLAN, ACTUALLY.

AND THE SITE PLAN SHOWS THAT THE STRUCTURE IS, UH, SHIFTED SLIGHTLY TO THE SOUTH SIDE IN ORDER TO AFFORD A 10 FOOT SPACE FOR, UH, VE VEHICULAR ACCESS ALONG THE TOP EDGE TO THE GARAGE, WHICH IS AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.

UH, THE GARAGE IS A DETACHED GARAGE.

AND OTHERWISE TO NOTE ON THIS, UH, SITE PLAN IS, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF PAVING AND THE STAIRS AND SUCH THE SETBACKS AND THE H B A C UNITS ON RAISED PLATFORM.

SO, OH, ALSO THAT THE FRONT STEPS ARE, UM, RIGHT AT THE SETBACK LINE FOR THE PROPERTY, NOT AT THE PROPERTY LINE.

SO IT'S ABOUT FIVE TO SIX FEET AWAY FROM THE BACK OF THE SIDEWALK.

SO THIS, UH, PROVIDES SOME CONTEXT AND PLANNED VIEW OF, UH, HOW THE, UM, PROPOSAL WOULD FIT INTO THE FABRIC OF THE STREET SCAPE.

SO, UM, NOT NOTED OF COURT, UH, OF IMPORTANCE ARE THE, UH, NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS, THE ONES TO THE SOUTH, UH, THE RECTANGLE ON THE FRONT REPRESENTS THE PORCH.

UM, AND THEN THE, THIS CROSSHATCHED AREA AT THE FRONT OF THE PLAN REPRESENTS THE PORCH ON THIS PROJECT.

AND THEN, UH, THE NEXT PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, UM, SHOWS THE BULK OF THE, UH, THE BUILDING SHOWN IN THAT SHAPE, THAT IRREGULAR SHAPE THERE, UM, THE PORCHES AREN'T NOTED ON THIS ONE, BUT ESSENTIALLY, UH, THEY ARE WHERE THIS LITTLE JOG IS HAPPENING.

SO THEY ALSO HAVE A PORCH ON THE FRONT.

UH, ALSO, UH, FARTHER DOWN THE STREET.

THERE ARE PORCHES ON THE FRONT AS WELL, GO DOWN THIS WAY.

UH, AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET, UM, OOPS, SORRY, THERE'S A PORCH ON THAT HOUSE AS WELL, BUT DOESN'T SHOW AS A, AS A, UH, SEPARATE RECTANGLE AND THEN ALL OF THE QUEENS POINT PORCHES AND SUCH.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF THOSE AROUND, OKAY.

SO THEN THIS IS, UH, THE FLOOR PLAN FOR THE PROJECT, UH, THE INSIDE, NOT SO MUCH OF OUR CONCERN, UH, BUT RATHER SAY THE FRONT PORCH,

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UM, AND THEN WE'LL TALK, UH, WE'LL SEE WHAT THESE LOOK LIKE IN ELEVATION VIEW AS WELL.

AND THEN OUT THE BACK ALSO ANOTHER, UH, PORCH, UH, UH, WITH ACTUALLY TWO LEVELS, UH, SEPARATED BY THREE STEPS HERE, AND THEN, UM, ANOTHER SET OF STAIRS TO THE BACKYARD, AND THEN FROM THE MUD ROOM IN THE BACK, UH, CORNER, ALSO A SEPARATE SET OF STAIRS.

SO TWO SETS OF STAIRS OUT THE BACK.

THERE'S ALSO A, A POOL SHOWN HERE AS WELL.

THAT'S WHAT THIS RECTANGLE IS.

SO THAT GIVES YOU THE FIRST FLOOR PLAN.

SECOND FLOOR PLAN IS A SMALLER FLOOR.

UM, AND SO FROM HERE, YOU SEE ALL THE ROOF CONFIGURATIONS FOR THE FIRST FLOOR, UH, FOR THE ONE STORY PORTIONS OF THE FIRST FLOOR.

UH, PLUS APPARENTLY THAT BACK PORCH IS NOT A PORCH FOR THE DECK.

UM, SO, UH, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A ROOF OVER THAT.

AND THEN THERE IS ACTUALLY A THIRD LEVEL, UM, FOR A DEN, UH, AND BATHROOM UP THERE FOR A SMALL, SMALL AREA UP THERE.

OH, AND THIS IS THE FULL SET OF PLANS FOR THE GARAGE.

UH, TWO CAR GARAGE, UM, UH, UH, GARAGE DOOR ON THE NORTH SIDE, THREE WINDOWS ON THE SOUTH SIDE, A PERSON DOOR ON THE WEST AND ON THE EAST, UH, THE EAST SIDE DOOR ACTUALLY HAS A SMALL LITTLE PORCH, WHICH WE SEE, UM, ON, ON THE, UM, ELEVATION HERE IN THE MIDDLE BOTTOM.

YOU CAN SEE THE SIDE OF IT FROM THE SOUTH SIDE.

AND THEN ALSO THE TOP ILLUSTRATION SHOWS IT FROM THE NORTH SIDE.

UM, YOU CAN SEE THIS IS A PYRAMID MIDDLE ROOF.

UM, THERE'S NO RIDGE, JUST ALL FOUR CORNERS MEET.

UH, AT ONE POINT THE PLAN IS A SQUARE.

UH, THE WINDOWS, UM, THREE WINDOWS HERE ARE NOT HORIZONTAL AND, UH, IT INCLUDES FLOOD VENTS.

THE SIDING IS HORIZONTAL BOARD, UH, HARDY BOARD LAP SIDING.

UH, AND LET'S SEE, WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE WINDOWS.

I DON'T KNOW, MUST BE THE SAME AS ON THE HOUSE.

IT'S A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF, UM, METAL GARAGE DOORS AND THE COLUMNS, UH, AT AZA WRAPPED COLUMNS AND TRIM.

SO FOR THE MAIN HOUSE, UH, OR THE HOUSE, UH, THIS IS THE FRONT FRONT VIEW ENLARGED, AND WE CAN SEE, UM, THE FRONT PORCH IS PROMINENT ON THE FRONT.

THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILT THE FOUNDATION ABOVE GROUND IS, UM, THE, UH, MINIMUM AND MAXIMUM , UH, REQUIRED HEIGHT.

I CHECK TO MAKE SURE WHAT THE, UH, FLOOD ELEVATION IS THERE.

AND THIS FLOOR LEVEL WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS, UM, FLOOD ZONE, UH, NO MORE, NO LESS.

AND THEN THE, UH, OTHER THINGS TO NOTE THAT ARE, UM, SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE'VE ALREADY POINTED OUT, OTHER HANDRAILS PAINTED METAL RAILING AND, AND PICKETS, UM, FOR THE STAIRWAY, UH, THE RAILING ON THE PORCH IS AZA, RAILING AND PICKETS.

UM, LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE WE HAVE, THAT'S IT ON THAT ONE.

UH, AND WE CAN SEE ALSO THE FLOOD VENTS IN THE FOUNDATION HERE, ROSE OUT, OUT ON THE FRONT.

AND THEN THIS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.

NOW THIS IS LOOKING AT THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, UM, WHERE WE HAVE THAT DECK.

I WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH THE TWO LEVEL DECK AND THEN THE STAIRWAY OFF THE MUD ROOM, THE DOORWAY ON THE LEFT IS FOR THE MUD ROOM.

UH, AND WE HAVE, UH, SERIES OF ALL, VERY SIMILAR WINDOWS ON THIS ELEVATION.

AND THEN WE'LL SCROLL DOWN, WE'LL SEE THE SIDES.

SO THIS WOULD BE THE SOUTHERN SOUTHERN ELEVATION.

UH, THE PORCH FRONT PORCH IS ON THE FRONT.

YOU CAN KIND OF HAVE BETTER IDEA AS TO HOW LARGE THE PORCH IS, UM, FROM THIS AS WELL AS THE, UH, I DON'T KNOW, THE PORCH STOOP, UM, OR THE TOP OF THE STAIRWAY OR THE, OR THE STAIRWAY LANDING.

AND HERE WE HAVE, UH, UM, THE HARDY BOARD SIDING AGAIN, BUT IN THE GABLE, WE HAVE THE HARDY BOARD, UH, SHAKES, AND THERE'S A SMALL, UM, PENT STANDING SCENE PEN, UH, BETWEEN THE TWO, UM, TO CREATE A SOFFIT ALONG HERE.

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I FORGOT TO MENTION THE, UH, THE, THE BRICK PATTERN OUT FRONT IS ACTUALLY, UH, THE BLACK DOTS ARE ACTUALLY GAPS, UM, AIR GAPS.

SO THE BRICK IS STACKED IN A LATTICE PATTERN, UM, WHICH IS A TYPICAL PATTERN FOR NEWBURN.

UH, AND THEN THE BACK DECK, UM, HERE WE HAVE ALL AZA RAILING AND PICKETS, BUT, UH, LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE SOME LATTICE WORK UNDERNEATH THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? UM, AND, UH, SIX AND 12 PITCH ROOF ON THE MAIN HOUSE AND FOUR AND 12 ON THE, UH, ONE STORY WING.

UH, REMEMBER THERE WAS A THIRD STORY.

SO THAT THIRD STORY HAS ONE WINDOW ON THIS END.

AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE, ONE WINDOW ON THE OTHER SIDE AS WELL, UM, AGAIN, ALL THE WINDOWS, VERY SIMILAR, UH, AND NOW WE SEE THE PORCH FROM THE NORTH SIDE WHERE WE NOW SEE THE STAIRWAY, UH, LEADING UP TO THE STAIRWAY, UM, LANDING WHERE STOOP, UH, AND, UM, NOTHING ELSE, RELATIVELY, NOTHING ELSE, SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT ON THIS SIDE.

UM, AND THEN THESE ARE SOME OF THE DETAILS FOR THE WINDOW AND THE RAILINGS, AND I JUST ZOOM THROUGH A BUNCH OF PAGES AND LET'S SEE, SO HERE WE HAVE ENLARGE IT.

THIS IS THE, UH, ZONING AND INSPECTIONS REVIEW FORM.

AND YOU CAN SEE, UH, THAT HERE AT THE BOTTOM, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR SAYS IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF LAND USE ORDINANCE AND THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR, SORRY, I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS IS DOING THIS, BUT SO IT'S SEPARATE WRONG CHIEF AND BUILDING INSPECTOR SAYS IT WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT, OF COURSE.

AND THE AE FLOOD ZONE ARE THE RF P E IS 11 FEET ABOVE SEA LEVEL.

AND, UH, SO THAT REFLECTS WHAT THEY HAVE, UH, DESIGNED HERE.

UM, AND THEN WE'RE READY WITH OUR FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.

LET'S SEE, SARAH, AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE APPLICANT, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD? ALL RIGHT.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO'S RECEIVED A NOTIFICATION WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR, OR AGAINST THE APPLICATION AND I DON'T SEE ANY, AND SO AT THIS POINT, UH, LAST CHANCE FOR COMMENTS, SARAH, AND IF YOU HAVE NONE MET, CAN YOU OKAY, GO OVER THE RECOMMENDATION? ALL RIGHT.

NOW I FIXED THAT.

WE'LL MAKE IT SO WE CAN SEE IT.

THERE WE GO.

METALS, 5.3 0.3 AND FOUR FOR PAINT, 5.4 0.23, FOUR AND SIX FOR CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS, 5.5 0.12 AND THREE AND FOUR, I'M SORRY, AND FIVE AND SIX.

SO THIS IS OUR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE PROJECT FOR GEORGE AIKEN AND GO ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN.

UH, THE PROJECT ADDRESS IS SEVEN 15 EAST FRONT STREET, AND THE HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME AND DATE IS THE BENGAL HOUSE BUILT IN CIRCA 1950.

HOWEVER, THIS IS, UH, HAS APPROVED TO BE DEMOLISHED.

UM, SO THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY DESCRIPTION IS NOT RELEVANT AND SAND BANK HAD NO DESCRIPTION OF IT ANYWAY.

SO SEVEN 15 EAST FRONT STREET IS TO INCLUDE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW INFILL HOUSE AND REAR DETACHED GARAGE.

SO STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES ARE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

2.1 0.12 AND THREE FOR UTILITIES, 2.3 0.12, THREE AND SIX FOR LANDSCAPING, 2.4 0.3, FOUR AND SEVEN FOR PARKING 2.7 0.4 FOR DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1 0.1 2 3, 4, AND FIVE FOR INFIELD CONSTRUCTION, 3.4 0.12, THREE AND FOUR FOR FOUNDATIONS 4.3, UH, 1.3 AND FOUR FOR WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION 4.2 0.4 FOR WINDOWS DOORS AND OPENINGS.

4.3 0.2 AND THREE FOR ENTRANCES, 4.4 0.4 FOR ROOFS, 4.5 0.6 FOR MASONRY 5.1 0.3, FIVE AND SIX FOR

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UH, AND THE STATEMENTS ARE REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION IN STAFF'S JUDGMENT ARE THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

THE PROPOSAL IS AN INFILL PROJECT THREE, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES.

FOUR, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY AND FIVE.

THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.

SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COMMISSION TO APPROVE THIS APPLICATION TO INCLUDE CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO STORY INFILL HOUSE AND RE REAR DETACHED GARAGE WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION.

THIS, UH, COA IS NOT VALID IN CONSTRUCTION, MAY NOT BEGIN UNTIL THE APPLICANT PROVIDES TO THE HPA, THE DRAWINGS, DETAILS, AND DESCRIPTIONS OF THE UTILITIES, DRIVEWAY, FENCING, EXTERIOR, LIGHTING, AND LANDSCAPING FOR THIS PROJECT.

AND THE HPA HAS REVIEWED THE INFORMATION AND APPROVED BY IS ISSUING AN AMENDED COA OR AS A SEPARATE COA.

THE INSTALLATION OF SAID, UTILITIES, DRIVEWAY, FENCING, LIGHTING, AND LANDSCAPING.

IF THE COA FOR THIS PROPOSAL IS APPROVED AND THE COA IS APPROVED TO BE ISSUED, THE HPC SHOULD CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING A FOLLOW UP MOTION.

UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COMMISSION APPROVED, ISSUING THE SEAA FOR THE DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.

HOWEVER, WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE DEMOLITION MAY NOT PROCEED UNTIL THE FOLLOWING REQUIREMENTS ARE MET, ONE BUILDING PERMITS ARE APPROVED FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE PARCEL.

TWO DRAWINGS OF THE STRUCTURE ARE SUBMITTED TO THE HPA, WHICH WAS A PREREQUISITE, OR WAS A REQUIREMENT FOR DEMOLITION.

AND THREE IS DOCUMENTATION IS SUBMITTED TO THE HPA REGARDING THE APPLICANT'S NOTIFICATION TO PRESERVATION ORGANIZATIONS AND ALLOWING FOR THE SALVAGE OF DESIGN COMPONENTS, ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES AND BUILDING MATERIALS FOR REUSE.

WE, THAT ENDS OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.

OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SO COMMISSIONERS AGAIN, JUST TO REITERATE, THIS IS A TWO STEP APPROVAL PROCESS.

SOME OF YOU PRIOR TO YOUR TENURE YEAR ON THE BOARD MISSED THE FIRST STEP, BUT THE BOARD HAS ACTED TO APPROVE THE DEMOLITION PREVIOUSLY.

SO DON'T LET THAT CONFUSE US.

AND SO, UH, AT THIS POINT, WE'RE, UM, EVALUATING THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN WILL BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION.

WE'VE GOT A LIST OF, UH, BOXES TO CHECK.

I THINK IT'S ON PAGE ONE, DASH 15 OF OUR GUIDELINES.

IF THAT HELPS US GET ORGANIZED, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT INFILL CONSTRUCTION.

AND THAT BEING SAID, WHERE, WHERE WOULD WE LIKE TO START THIS EVENING? UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL PROPOSE THAT YOU WALK US THROUGH THE, UH, EVALUATION WARRANT SHEET.

WE CAN DO THAT.

SO LET'S START WITH SITE.

IF YOU'D LIKE, I CAN PULL THAT UP ON THE SCREEN HERE IN A SECOND.

PAGE ONE, DASH 15.

IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I HAVE, IF ANYONE NEEDS A, A COPY OF THAT, I HAVE A COPY.

THERE YOU GO.

SO WE WE'RE UNDER THE THIRD COLUMN, INFILL CONSTRUCTION AND, UH, LET LET'S, UH, FOCUS OUR DISCUSSION ON SITE AND SETTING AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AND MAYBE PLACEMENT OF STRUCTURES.

I THINK LANDSCAPING IS COMING BACK TO US AT A FUTURE TIME.

SOMEBODY LIKE TO TAKE A STAB AT THAT, OR DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS IN REGARD TO SITE AND SETTING FOR THE APPLICANT? CERTAINLY THE MASS SCALE PROPORTION DIMENSIONS SEEMS TO MEET THE GUIDELINES BASED ON, UH, SURROUNDING STRUCTURES.

IT'S NOT INCONSISTENT LOOKING UP AND DOWN THE STREET.

UH, PARKING HAS BEEN, I THINK PARKING HAS BEEN ADDRESSED.

THAT LANDSCAPING PLAN BEING APPROVED.

AS FAR AS DRIVEWAY, AS FAR AS GARAGE ACCESS.

I DON'T RECALL ANY FENCING.

I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT.

SO YEAH, YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE HAVE TO BRING FENCING BACK, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT PROPOSING IT.

I'M UNCLEAR.

NO, NO, NO.

A LANDSCAPING.

I WOULD PRESUME YOU WOULD BE COMING BACK.

CAUSE WHEN WE WERE AT DESIGN REVIEW AND WE WERE DISCUSSING LANDSCAPING, IT WAS SAID THAT WE COULD BRING IT BACK TO YOU ALL AT A LATER DATE, BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE COA WOULD NOT BE APPROVED WITHOUT

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I'M JUST NOT CLEAR ON, WELL, I, I HEARD IT, SARAH, THAT IT WAS WITH EITHER A NEW OR AMENDED APPLICATION.

THAT'S WHAT I MM-HMM AND IT CAN ALWAYS BE A CONDITION.

YES, YES.

WAIT, WE'LL SORT THAT OUT WITH CONDITIONS.

I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR AGAIN, OUR, OUR INTENDED AND TO MAKE THIS ANY MORE COMPLICATED THAN WE'VE ALREADY MADE IT FOR YOU.

I APPRECIATE IT.

ANY OTHER SIGHT AND SETTING COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS AND, UH, TIM ALLUDED TO SOME SCALE MASS AND PROPORTION IN TERMS OF DESIGN ATTRIBUTES, ANY OTHER COMMENTS IN REGARD TO, UH, OKAY.

FORM RHYTHM? OH, THERE'S FOR THE VARIATIONS AND TEXTURE THAT ADD SOME DESIGN ELEMENTS TO IT.

IT'S OBVIOUS IN THE ELEVATION UNDER DESIGN COMPONENTS, UM, WE'VE, WE'VE GOT ARTICULATION OF, UH, FOUNDATIONS, WALL TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION, UM, ALSO WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS.

UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOK AT WITH RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION TYPICALLY, UM, WINDOW TRIM, CORNER BOARDS, SO FORTH, ALL THAT SEEMS TO BE, UM, APPROPRIATE WITH GUIDELINES.

UH, THE HARDY SHAKES, WE CERTAINLY HAVE, UH, HOUSES IN NEWBURN THAT, UH, USE HARDY SHAPES, STANDING SEA METAL ROOF.

UM, AND I THINK ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I ASKED PREVIOUSLY, UH, PERFECTLY FLAT PANELS WAS A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF IN CORRUGATION, IN THE OTHER COMMENTS, IN THAT AREA.

UH, MATERIALS AND BEING IN FIELD CONSTRUCTION, WE'VE GOT A LITTLE MORE LEEWAY THAN WE MIGHT OTHERWISE WITH A, UH, CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.

SO I HAVE A QUESTION IN THAT, AND MAYBE IT'S JUST, I'M NOT FAMILIAR SO MUCH YET WITH, AS ASEC, AS THE AIDS ACT.

AND, AND ARE WE USING THAT OR IS THAT BEING USED ON SOME OF THE OTHER NEW HOUSES? IS IT COMPOSITE? ABSOLUTELY.

GOOGLED IT HERE REAL QUICK.

IT'S SOME SORT OF COMPOSITE, IT'S A, IT'S A COMPOSITE BOARD AND, UH, IT'S USED ON THE TRIM WORK FOR MOST OF THE HOUSES THAT RIVER STATION.

AND SO IS A PRETTY TYPICAL APPROPRIATE MATERIAL KIND OF COMMONLY USED COMMONLY USED.

AND I THINK IT'S ALSO GOT A PRETTY GOOD HISTORY AT THIS POINT.

YEAH, IT DOES.

MAYBE 15 YEARS OR MORE.

AS FAR AS WARING AND STRUCTURAL, UH, STABILITY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS.

NOW, BA BASED ON OUR DESIGN REVIEW, IS EVERYBODY COMFORTABLE THAT ANY CHANGES THAT WERE REQUESTED HAVE BEEN ACCOMMODATED OR ANYTHING WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THERE? DID YOU, DID YOU GO TO MATERIALS? UH, WE DID, BUT WE CAN REVISIT IT JUST A QUICK QUESTION, SARAH.

UM, THE FRONT PORCH, UM, IS IT INTENDED TO BE, I, I DIDN'T NOTICE ON THE DESIGN, SO I'M SORRY.

DID IT, IS IT MASONRY OR WOOD STAIRS OR THE FRONT PORCH GOING UP THERE? THOSE ARE MASONRY STEPS ON THE FRONT.

AND WITH THE, LIKE THE FRONT PIECE OF IT IS PUSHED OUT A LITTLE BIT AND THEN THE, THE MAIN PART OF THE PORCH HAS THE MASONRY COLUMN WITH BRICKS UP AND THEN LEAVE IN BETWEEN.

BUT YEAH, THE FRONT STEPS ARE MASONRY.

THE REAR STEPS ARE NOT.

SO THIS HAS BEEN A PRETTY EASY CONVERSATION SO FAR.

IT SEEMS LIKE OUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ARE PRETTY SATISFIED.

WE MUST HAD A PRETTY GOOD TALK AT DESIGN REVIEW.

I I'M, I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING THERE.

YOU'RE A VERY GOOD VOICE.

AND THERE WERE SOME CONDITIONS, UH, RECOMMENDED AND I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO YOUR CHOOSING.

APPLYING, SHE'S APPLYING TRADITIONAL METHODS AND MATERIALS AND STYLES AND, AND ALL THOSE THINGS VERY WELL.

SO YEAH, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE HITTING THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE NEW BERN VERNACULAR PRETTY WELL.

SO MAYBE WITH THAT SAID, EITHER WE CAN LAUNCH INTO SOME OTHER INTERESTING DISCUSSION OR PERHAPS WE'RE READY TO HAVE A MOTION, TWO MOTIONS TO MAKE WELL, I, I THINK JUST ONE INITIALLY IN OUR USUAL MANNER

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SO I WOULD FIND THE APPLICATION, UH, FOR AROUND HERE SEVEN, 15 EAST FRONT STREET TO BE NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH NEW BE'S CODE OF ORDINANCES, SECTIONS 15, 4 11 THROUGH 15, 4, 29 AND NEW BERN'S HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS THEY'LL TRACK ALL THESE.

AND SO, UM, DEVELOPMENT PATTERN DOING THIS, RIGHT.

WE'RE NOT DOING THE OTHER COA FIRST OR NOT TWO IS THIS ONE, UH, THE, THE OTHER DEMOLITION PART HAS BEEN COMPLETED PREVIOUSLY.

SO YOUR RIGHT ON TRACK.

THAT IS CORRECT.

YES, I CAN GIVE ONE C COMING ABOVE.

SO DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, UH, TWO.ONE DO ONE, TWO AND THREE UTILITIES, TWO.THREE.ONE, TWO, THREE, AND SIX LANDSCAPING, TWO DOT 4, 3, 4, AND SEVEN PARKING 2.7 0.4, DESIGN PRINCIPLES 3.1 1 2, 3, 4, AND FIVE INFIELD CONSTRUCTION, 3.4 0.12, THREE AND FOUR FOUNDATIONS, 4.13, FOUR AND FOUR WALLS, TRIM ORNAMENTATION 4.2 0.4, WINDOWS DOORS AND OPENINGS.

4.3 0.23 AND THREE ENTRANCES, 4.4 0.4 ROOFS 4.5 0.6, MASONRY 5.1 0.3, FIVE AND SIX METALS, 5.3 0.3 AND FOUR PAINT, 5.4 0.23, FOUR, AND SIX, CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS, 5.1 0.5 0.5 0.1 2 3, 5 AND SIX.

AND THE FINDINGS OF FACT ARE THAT THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE TIGHT WAVE TIGHTLY DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

THE PROPOSAL IS AN INFIELD PROJECT, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMITTED, COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.

AND THE PROJECT IS NOT WITH THE GUIDELINES OKAY.

CONDITION.

AND ARE YOU CONDITION FREE CONDITIONING? THEY COME BACK WITH THE LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT THE COE B ISSUED IN.

AT SOME POINT THEY COME BACK WITH THE LANDSCAPING PLAN.

I DON'T WANT THE COA TO BE CONDITIONED ON THAT.

I DON'T WANT TO HOLD UP THE COA FOR LANDSCAPING, SO, OKAY.

SO, SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT HERE SHORTLY.

LET'S WE'VE GOT A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? OKAY.

WE'VE GOT A MOTION IN A SECOND.

AND SO LET'S, UH, IS EVERYBODY CLEAR ON THE MOTION AND MAYBE NOT SO CLEAR ON THE CONDITION? AND SO, ANNETTE, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING IS UTILITIES, UH, ANY TYPE OF, UH, IMPROVED DRIVEWAY, FENCING, LIGHTING, AND LANDSCAPING ARE, ARE ULTIMATELY TO COME BACK IN THE FUTURE AT SOME POINT.

BUT NOT NECESSARILY A CONDITION OF TONIGHT'S CEILING.

EXACTLY.

SO, UM, AND THERE'S MORE COMMISSION AND THEN I SEE COUNCIL GIVING ME A FUNNY LOOK.

SO I'LL MAKE THAT CONDITION THAT THE UTILITIES BE SCREENED AND THE SCREENING BE APPROVED BY STAFF.

THERE'S, I'M JUST NOT SURE IF I HEARD YOUR, YOUR COMMENT TO COMMISSIONER STONE.

I, I BELIEVE A NET'S INTENT IS TO PROVIDE COM UM, TO HAVE UTILITIES AND IMPROVED DRIVEWAY, FENCING, LIGHTING, AND LANDSCAPING TO COME BACK SINCE THEY'RE NOT ADEQUATELY COVERED.

AND TONIGHT'S APPLICATION AS A SEPARATE COA AND NOT TOLD UP ISSUANCE OF A COA TONIGHT FOR THE, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE FOLLOW UP MOTION OR IS THAT SEPARATE WELL, THAT, THAT, THAT DEALS WITH OUR NEXT SIDE OF, OF BUSINESS.

SO LET'S, UM, WE'LL TACKLE THAT IN A MINUTE.

WOULD I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT THERE SHOULD AT LEAST BE SOME CONDITION REGARDING SCREENING THE MECHANICAL UNITS, BECAUSE THOSE ARE PROPOSED AND WILL BE CONSTRUCTED AND NEED ARE REQUIRED TO BE SCREENED.

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MATT, ARE YOU OKAY? YEP.

PERFECT.

MY BOARD MEMBERS.

ARE WE OKAY? AND SO WE'LL NEED OUR, I FORGOT WHO'S SECONDED OUR MOTION, BUT WE'LL NEED SOMEBODY TO APPROVE THAT CHANGE, TIM.

SECOND THE CHANGES.

SO NOW THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, MAYBE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? NO, I, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE FOLLOW UP MOTION COMES IN.

IT HAS TO DO WITH THE ISSUANCE OF THE COA.

I GET IT.

IT'S, IT'S CONFUSING.

I HAVE TO THIS, DO THIS, DO THIS THEN ALL SO, UH, I, I DON'T HEAR ANY OTHER DISCUSSION.

SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT.

SO THIS POINT, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ISSUE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND STAFF SUGGEST DOING SO WITH THE CONDITION I MOVED, WE ISSUED THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR SEVEN 15 EAST FRONT STREET WITH THE CONDITION THAT SCREENING BE DEFINED FOR ALL UTILITIES PRIOR TO, OH, WE ALREADY DID THAT IN THE PREVIOUS ONE.

SO THERE'S SO THERE'S NO CONDITIONS ON, WELL, THERE'S THREE ITEMS. SO NOW THIS IS THE FOLLOW UP MOTION.

I'M SORRY.

SO WE'RE FOLLOW UP MOTION.

WHAT I DO WANT TO DISCUSS THAT BECAUSE I THINK, DO WE REALLY NEED TO DEAL WITH NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS THE SALVAGE OF COMPONENTS ON A BUILDING.

THAT'S BASICALLY, THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE, UM, TO THE PRESERVATION ORGANIZATIONS, WHICH ARE, I KNOW OF ONE, BUT IT COULD BE TWO OR THREE.

I DON'T KNOW, BUT I KNOW ONE, SO IT'S THEIR CHOICE.

DOCUMENTATION IS NUMBER THREE.

I MAY MOVE THAT.

WE ISSUE A CA COA FOR THE DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AT SEVEN 15 EAST FRONT STREET WITH THE CONDITION THAT DEMOLITION MAY NOT PROCEED UNTIL THE FOLLOWING REQUIREMENTS ARE MET.

NUMBER ONE, BUILDING PERMITS ARE APPROVED FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE PARCEL DRAWINGS OF THE STRUCTURE ARE SUBMITTED TO THE HPC ADMINISTRATOR.

DOCUMENTATION IS SUBMITTED TO THE ADMINISTRATOR REGARDING THE APPLICANT'S NOTIFICATION TO PRESERVATION ORGANIZATIONS AND ALLOWING FOR THE SALVAGE DESIGN COMPONENTS, ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES AND BUILDING MATERIALS FOR REUSE.

WE HAVE A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? AND WE'VE GOT A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? WELL, OKAY.

SO NO OTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY I AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? OKAY.

NOW YOUR QUESTION, I, I'M JUST CURIOUS, UM, THE LAST ITEM, ITEM THREE, UH, I MEAN, I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE SEEN IT AND THERE'S REALLY NOTHING IN THERE, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO, TO WRITE THOSE LETTERS.

DO YOU WANT TO SUGGEST TO US WHO WE SHOULD WRITE THOSE TWO? OR DO YOU WANT TO SUGGEST PRESERVATION FOUNDATION? AND THAT WOULD BE SWISS BEAR OR PRESERVATION FOUNDATION? JUST PRESERVATION FOUNDATION.

SO I THINK THAT CONCLUDES THAT, THAT ITEM B NO, THANK YOU.

WE DID NOT YET VOTE TO ISSUE THE COA FOR THE INFILL HOUSE.

SO THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE.

THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT I WAS DOING IN THERE'S ONLY ONE COA.

WE JUST SAID SHE DID WE NOT, BUT THAT COA AND THE MOTION ONLY IT CLEAR DEMOLITION THERE'S EXPOSURE TO APPROVE.

THERE'S ONLY ONE COA FOR BOTH PIECES.

THAT'S RIGHT.

BUT YOU, THE, THE LANGUAGE OF THAT APPROVAL WAS ONLY FOR THE DEMOLITION.

SO IT WAS HALF OF WHAT IT NEEDED TO BE LANGUAGE FOR THAT APPROVAL.

SO THERE WAS A MOTION FOR A MOTION APPROVED FOR THE INFILL MOTION APPROVED FOR THE DEMOLITION.

SO NOW, NOW I APOLOGIZE.

I'M CONFUSED.

WE HAD A PREVIOUS HEARING.

THIS, THIS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T DO A WHOLE LOT DEMOLITION.

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WE APPROVED THE DEMOLITION, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

NO COA WAS ISSUED.

THAT'S CORRECT.

ONE OF THE FOUR APPROVALS YOU NEED.

YOU, YOU SPELLED IT OUT HERE AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS READING.

AND SO, SO AT THE LAST MEETING, RIGHT.

SO LET ME SUMMARIZE THAT.

THE LAST MEETING YOU APPROVED OR NOT LAST MEETING AT THE WHATEVER MEETING, SIX MONTHS AGO, YOU APPROVED A DEMOLITION OF THE BUILDING.

UH, HOWEVER YOU DID NOT APPROVE, UH, ISSUING THE COA BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT UNTIL YOU APPROVED THE REPLACEMENT, UM, PROJECT, UH, WHICH IS WHAT YOU DID IN YOUR FIRST MOTION THIS EVENING.

HOWEVER, NORMALLY YOU ALSO ISSUE HAVE A MOTION TO ISSUE THE COA FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, WHICH YOU HAVE NOT YET DONE.

THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT, SO OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE SAY ONCE DEMOTION HAS BEEN APPROVED, WHICH WAS LAST MEETING IN A REDEVELOPMENT PLAN HAS BEEN APPROVED, WHICH IS THIS MEETING THE H HPC ISSUES, A SINGLE COA FOR BOTH ACTIONS.

BUT THE LANGUAGE IN THAT LAST MOTION DID NOT INCLUDE ANY MENTION OF THE INFILL HOUSE.

SO WE JUST NEED ANOTHER MOTION FOR THE COA, FOR THE AMIL HOUSE.

I SEE WHAT, IF YOU GO BACK, IF YOU GO BACK OR REDO THE LAST ONE, I WAY, SO ESSENTIALLY, SORRY.

I DID NOT REALIZE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, BUT, UM, YEAH, WE STARTED WITH DEMOLITION THAT'S OKAY.

SO JIM, IF I, IF YOU COULD HUMOR ME AND GO BACK, I THINK ALL WE NEED TO DO IS RESTATE WHAT YOU STATED EXCEPT THE COA IS FOR DEMOLITION COA FOR SEVEN 15 EAST FRONT STREET.

AND THE LANGUAGE THAT I DO, I HAVE TO REPEAT IT ALL, I GUESS, REPEAT IT ALL.

I THINK MR. MORRISON'S MOTION IN THIS MOMENT IS TO ISSUE THE COA FOR THE DEMOLITION OF SEVEN 15 EAST FRONT STREET AND THE INFIELD CONSTRUCTION OF THE SAME WITH, WITH THE CONDITIONS.

DO IT AGAIN, THAT THE BUILDING PERMITS OUR APPROVED BY FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE PARCEL DRAWINGS OF ALL OF THE STRUCTURE BE SUBMITTED TO THE HPA AND DOCUMENT IS DOCUMENTATION IS SUBMITTED TO THE HPA REGARDING THE APPLICANT'S NOTIFICATION TO PRESERVATION ORGANIZATIONS AND ALLOWING FOR THE SALVAGE OF DESIGN COMPONENTS, ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES AND BUILDING MATERIALS FOR MISS, FOR READING.

IS THAT YOUR MOTION, MR. MORRISON? YES.

SO YOU WANT ME TO RESTATE IT? OKAY.

TWO SECONDED, CANDICE, AND THEN WE NEED A SECONDED.

SECOND AGAIN.

SECOND, A SECOND AGAIN.

HAVE YOU GOT ME IN GOOD SHAPE? YES.

REMEMBER.

SO DO WE NEED TO VOTE AGAIN? YES.

SO IS EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THE MOTION THAT NOW THAT WE'VE INCLUDED REDEVELOPMENT, IN ADDITION TO DEMOLITION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

NEXT ITEM I BELIEVE IS 5 0 7 GEORGE STREET.

ANY OPPOSED? SO IT SOUNDS LIKE OUR COA HAS BEEN ISSUED.

THANK YOU JUST IN TIME.

THANKS FOR KEEPING IT CHALLENGING.

I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE SCREENS IF YOU WANT.

I CAN GO ON IF YOU'D LIKE, AND OUR

[4.C. 507 George St. – to include removing the existing side porch, adding a new second floor rear addition and balcony, a new rear deck, front column wraps, front handrails, front door replacement, wood replacement windows, and new fencing & gate, in all AVCs.acing it with a new infill house.]

SO THIS IS THE APPLICATION FOR 5 0 7 GEORGE STREET.

THE PROPERTY OWNER IS MONIQUE TAYLOR AND THE APPLICANT IS WALKER GROUP OF CHRIS WALKER FOR THE WALKER GROUP GROUP.

UM, MR. WALKER, I MAY HAVE MISSED, UH, AN EMAIL OR TWO FROM YOU.

UM, DID YOU PROVIDE US WITH YOUR OWNER'S AUTHORIZATION TO REPRESENT THEM? I DID.

IT'S IN EMAILS.

IT'S IN AN EMAIL? YES.

UM, I SUPPOSE I NEED TO FIND THAT, OKAY, HERE WE GO.

AND THERE WE HAVE IT AND IT'S DULY, UM, NOTARIZED.

THE REST OF THEIR APPLICATION CONTINUES WITH, UM, UH, A LOT OF DESCRIPTION FOR THE VARIOUS PARTS OF THE PROJECT, UM, DESCRIBING THE PRIMARY AREA OF VISUAL CONCERN, SECONDARY, UH, SOUTH ELEVATION, NORTH ELEVATION AND TERTIARY ELEVATION, AND THEN LISTING ALL OF THE GUIDELINES HERE IN THEIR ENTIRETY.

WASN'T THAT COOL.

HOW WE CAN DO THAT? ALL RIGHT.

SO, UH,

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UM, OKAY, SO LET'S GO RIGHT TO THE ROWINGS.

SO, UH, THE COVER SHEET FOR THE DRAWING SHOWS THE, UH, EXTERIOR OF THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, AND THEN A SITE AERIAL VIEW, UH, WITH THE PROJECT, UH, CIRCLED, UH, ON GEORGE STREET, YOU CAN SEE IT'S BETWEEN NEW AND QUEEN STREET AND IT'S ON THE WEST SIDE, UH, AND HAS TWO NEIGHBORS WITH SOME SPACE BETWEEN THEM.

SO, UM, MORE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE EXISTING BUILDING NOW.

SO GOING ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE BUILDING, THIS IS THE FRONT HALF OF THE BUILDING, AND THIS MIDDLE ONE IS THE BACK HALF OF THE LEFT SIDE SHOWING THE, UH, THE PORCH THAT'S BEEN ADDED TO THIS SIDE OF THE BUILDING, UH, AND IS PROPOSED TO BE DEMOLISHED.

AND THEN FROM THE BACK, UH, THIS IS AGAIN THAT, UH, LEFT SIDE OF THE BUILDING, UH, OR THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, UH, AGAIN WITH THE PORCH SHOWN HERE.

AND THIS IS A TWO STORY, UM, PORTION OF THE EXISTING BUILDING WILL BE IMPORTANT LATER THEN, UH, THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE BUILDING IS SHOWN IN THE LOWER LEFT, UH, WITH, UH, I SHOULD PROBABLY NOTE, SO THE TWO STORY PORTION CONTINUES TO THE BACK, AND THEN THERE IS A ONE STORY PORTION, UH, AT THE VERY BACK, WHICH THEN L UH, TURNS 90 DEGREES, UH, LOOKS LIKE ONTO THIS NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, BUT THE PROPERTY LINE, UH, COMPORTS TO THAT.

AND SO, UH, THAT'S WHAT WE SEE HERE ON THE MIDDLE PICTURE IS THAT, UH, ONE STORY, UH, ADDITION THAT, UH, LOOKS LIKE IT'S PROJECTING ONTO THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY.

AND SO FROM THE FRONT, UH, FROM THE BOTTOM RIGHT PICTURE, UH, SHOWS YOU THE FRONT WITH THAT ENTIRE RIGHT SIDE AND THE NEIGHBOR'S CHAIN LINK FENCE.

SO, UM, THEY ALSO PROVIDED SOME PHOTOGRAPHS OF SIMILAR, UH, UH, BUILDINGS, UH, NEARBY SOME OF THEM ON THE SAME BLOCK IN SOME, UH, SOMEWHAT FARTHER, OUR WAY WE, WE NEED TO, WE CAN COME BACK TO THOSE.

SO HERE'S THE SITE PLAN.

UM, THE EXISTING HOUSE, UM, IS SHOWN HERE WITH THE GRAY ROOF AND THE EXISTING PORCHES GOT THE RED ROOF HERE.

UH, AND, UM, IF YOU REMEMBER FROM THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT WERE TWO CHIMNEYS, THERE'RE SHOWN HERE WITH THEIR SHADOWS ON THE ROOF AND THAT LITTLE L PIECE ONTO THE NEIGHBOR, QUOTE UNQUOTE ONTO THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY IS SHOWN HERE IN THE UPPER, UH, PORTION WITH THIS GRAY SQUARE AND THE, UH, BLACK LINE AROUND THE GREEN AREA REPRESENTS THE PROPERTY LINE.

SO THE PROPERTY LINE ACTUALLY DOES JOG OVER FOR THAT LITTLE, UM, BIT OF ADDITION.

UH, SO THEN THIS IS SHOWING THE FUTURE SITE PLAN, UH, WITH SOME, UH, ADDITIONAL DECKS ON THE BACK.

UH, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE AND SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, DRIVEWAY MATERIAL AS, OR DRIVEWAY WALKWAY MATERIAL FROM THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY.

UH, ALSO TO NOTE IS THAT THE THEY'RE PROPOSING A NEW WOOD FENCE AROUND THE ENTIRE PROPERTY IN THE BACK HERE, AND THEN THAT WOOD FENCE, UM, STOPS SHORT OF THE FRONT CORNER OF THE HOUSE, UH, AND COMES ACROSS THE DRIVEWAY.

AND WE WILL SEE THAT TOO.

BACK TO THE SECOND FLOOR AGAIN, NOTICE HOW THE SECOND FLOOR IS A RECTANGLE THAT ENDS RIGHT ABOUT AT THE SECOND, UH, CHIMNEY HERE.

SO, UM, THIS IS THE EXISTING FLOOR PLAN BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO BE SOME RENOVATIONS ON THIS PROJECT.

SO THE FIRST FLOOR PLAN IS ON THE BOTTOM HERE, AND, UH, YOU CAN SEE IT IS AN L-SHAPED PLAN WITH THAT LITTLE ADDITION THAT I MENTIONED, UM, AT THE BACK, UH, ALSO SHOWS THE EXISTING FRONT PORCH AND FRONT PORCH STEPS, THE TWO CHIMNEYS AT THE BOTTOM, UH, HERE, THEY'RE SHOWING THAT THE EXISTING PORCHES TO BE DEMOLISHED, UH, AND THEN THEREFORE ALSO THEY SHOW, UM, UH, ALL THE ROOFING ON THE BACK, WHICH IS RELATIVELY FLAT, UH, BUT STANDING SEA METAL ROOF, UH, IS ALSO TO BE REMOVED IN ORDER TO, UM, ADD A SECOND FLOOR EDITION.

SO I, I'M GONNA GO BACK AND FORTH A LITTLE BIT.

UH, LET'S GO

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UH, WHEN WE COME DOWN TO THE NEXT ONE, SECOND FLOOR NOW EXTENDS PAST THAT SECOND CHIMNEY.

THEY HAVE INDICATED THE FORMER END OF THAT SECOND FLOOR HERE WITH THE DASH LINE.

SO ALL OF THIS AREA UP HERE IS NOW NEW, UM, UH, NEW INTERIOR SPACE.

SO THEY'RE ADDING A SECOND FLOOR ADDITION ONTO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE TO CREATE A TWO STORY, UH, PORTION, UH, WHERE THERE HAD BEEN AT ONE STORY PORTION.

SO, UM, THEN, UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UH, THEY HAVE, UH, DOUBLE DOORS GOING OUT TO A NEW PORCH AND BALCONY.

I'M SORRY, A NEW BALCONY, UM, WITH SOME RAILING, UH, AND THEN ON THE FIRST FLOOR, UH, THE FLOOR PLAN STAYS THE SAME, BUT THEY WILL BE ADDING AFTER THEY'VE REMOVED THE EXISTING PORCH ON THE SOUTH SIDE, THEY'RE ADDING A WRAPAROUND, UH, PORCH OR ACTUALLY, UH, COVERED, COVERED DECK PORCH, UH, AND THEN AN UNCOVERED DECK, UH, AS WELL AT THE BACK.

WE'LL SEE THIS ALSO IN SIDE VIEW IN A MINUTE.

UM, AND TO NOTE, THEY'RE, THEY NOTE ALSO NEW WOOD RAILING AT THE FRONT STEPS.

UM, SO HERE WE HAVE NOW THE NEW FRONT, UH, ELEVATION.

SO, UM, THE MAIN THING THAT WE SEE HERE IS WAY IN THE BACK OF THE BUILDING IS NOW A SECOND FLOOR ADDITION ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE HERE, UM, WHERE IT HAD BEEN THAT ONE, THAT SINGLE STORY PIECE.

WE ALSO SEE A NEW FENCING ACROSS THE FRONT THAT'S, UH, THE FOUR FOOT HIGH, AND THEN IN THE BACK, UH, FARTHER BACK IS THE SIX FOOT HIGH FENCE.

UM, AND, UM, WE SEE SOME SCREEN SCREENING.

IT'S LITTLE HARD TO EXPLAIN AT THE MOMENT AND THEN THE RAILING ON THE BALCONY ALL THE WAY IN THE BACK AS WELL.

UM, BUT ALSO THE COLUMNS HERE, UM, WILL BE WRAPPED WITH, UH, NEW MATERIAL.

UH, AND OH, AND WE ALSO SEE NEW WOOD WINDOWS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE HOUSE.

UM, SO NOW TOTALLY REVERSED FROM THE BACK.

UM, UH, LET'S SEE, WE SEE THE NEW TWO STORY ADDITION ADDED ON THE BACK HERE.

YOU, THEY HAVE SHADED SLIGHTLY IN A, IN A DARKER BLUE GRAYISH COLOR HERE.

UM, AND THAT'S THE ADDITION, SECOND STORY ADDITION ON THE BACK AND REMEMBER THE DOUBLE DOORS I MENTIONED OUT TO THE BALCONY OR UP HERE.

SO THIS IS THE BALCONY WITH ITS RAILING.

AND THEN DOWN BELOW IS THE, UH, THE DECK OR BACK PORCH.

UM, AND ALL, AGAIN, ALL THE WINDOWS ARE NEW WINDOWS.

WE SEE THE FOUR FOOT HIGH FENCE, UH, IN THIS, THIS IS THE FOUR FOOT HIGH FENCE, YES.

WITH THE SIX FOOT HIGH FENCE ON THE SIDE THERE, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT IN PLAN VIEW LATER.

UM, AND THEN FROM THE SIDE VIEWS.

SO THE SOUTH ELEVATION HERE AT THE TOP, UH, WHERE WE HAD THE, UH, PORCH, UH, AND IT WAS REMOVED TO BE REMOVED.

UH, THIS IS THE NEW EDITION, SECOND STORY EDITION ON THE HOUSE HERE.

NOTE THAT THE ROOF LINE CONTINUES ALL THE WAY THROUGH.

SO IT'S BASICALLY, UH, FLUSH WITH THE EXISTING, UH, ROOF HERE.

UH, AND, UM, LET'S SEE.

ANYTHING ELSE NEW HERE ON THIS SIDE, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A HORIZONTAL WOOD SCREENING, UM, ACROSS, UH, THE WIDTH OF THE PORCH ON THE FIRST FLOOR.

UH, THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE, NOW, THIS IS THE SIDE, UM, TO THE NORTH, UH, PORCH IS ON THE LEFT.

UH, AND THERE ARE NO NEW WINDOWS ON THIS ELEVATION, JUST THE NEW ADDITION, WHICH ALSO HAS NO WINDOWS FACING IN THIS DIRECTION.

UM, UH, OTHER THAN THAT, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT ALL THE REST OF THE THINGS.

SO THEY'VE PROVIDED SOME, UH, FIRST OF ALL, A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE EXISTING CONDITION WITH ALUMINUM SIDING, UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO, UH, UH, THAT IT HAS ALUMINUM SIDING OVER ORIGINAL WOOD SIDING.

THE OWNER PROPOSES TO KEEP EXISTING ALUMINUM SIDING IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND PAINT IT IN THE REAR PORTION OF THE HOUSE.

THE SIDING WILL BE REPLACED WITH PAINTED WOOD SIDING, AND THE ADDITION WILL ALSO RECEIVE PAINTED WOOD SIDING.

SO PHOTOGRAPHS OF

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SOME OF THE, UM, OLD WINDOWS THAT WERE HERE AND HOW THEY'RE PLANNING TO REPLACE THEM WITH THESE, UH, NEW WOOD WINDOWS.

SO SOME IDEA OF THE CONDITION OF THE WINDOWS THAT, UM, OF THE OLD WINDOWS, UM, ALSO SOME SAMPLES OF THE BALCONY AND STAIR RAILING THE FRONT DOOR.

UM, INSTEAD OF LOOKING, UH, LIKE THIS ON THE LEFT, IT WILL BE A NEW FRONT DOOR THERE ON THE RIGHT.

AND THE WOOD FENCING, UH, IN THE REAR OF THE SITE IS TO BE REPLACED AND REAR OF THE SITE TO BE SURROUNDED BY A NEW WOOD FENCING MIGHT BE SOME IOSE THERE.

UM, BUT, UH, THE FENCE IS LOWER IN THE PRIMARY ABC WITH ONE INCH SPACING BETWEEN PICKETS.

SO IT'S NOT THE FRONT FENCE WILL NOT LOOK LIKE THIS.

UM, THIS REPRESENTS THE, THE REAR PORTION OF THE FENCE.

UM, AND NOW THIS GIVES YOU AN IDEA.

THE COLUMN WRAP, UH, CURRENTLY ON THE LEFT SHOULD MAKE THAT BIGGER.

SO THIS PHOTOGRAPH ON THE LEFT WITH THE.IS THE CURRENT CONDITION IT'S, UH, UM, ROUND COLUMNS ON CINDER BLOCK PEERS.

UM, THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE ROUND COLUMNS BECOME SQUARE TRUNCATED OR TAPERED COLUMNS, SORRY, INSTEAD OF THE ROUND ONES.

SO THEY'RE GOING TO WRAP THE ROUND ONES WITH SOME, UH, MATERIAL YET TO BE DETERMINED, I GUESS, LIKELY WOULD .

UH, AND SO NOW WITH ALL THAT DONE OUR ZONING AND INSPECTIONS REVIEW SHOWS THAT, UH, IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE LAND USE ORDINANCE AND WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.

UM, THE EXISTING BUILDING PERMIT WILL NEED TO BE AMENDED TO REFLECT THE NEW SCOPE OF WORK.

SO THEY ALREADY STARTED SOME OF THE WORK ON THE INTERIOR OF THE HOUSE.

AND SO THEY HAVE AN EXISTING BUILDING PERMIT FOR THE INTERIOR.

AND SO WITH THIS NEW EXTERIOR WORK, THEY'LL NEED TO AMEND IT.

SO WE'RE READY WITH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS WHENEVER YOU'RE READY.

OKAY, GREAT.

SO CHRIS, AS THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE APPLICANT, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD AT THIS POINT? UH, NO THINK GOT COVERED.

ONLY CHANGE IF, IF YOU COULD COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE.

WE COVERED IT.

THE ONLY THING THAT REALLY CHANGED WAS WE, WE PULLED THE SIDING OFF INTO LOWER PORTION OF THE BACK ALUMINUM SIDING, AND WANT TO REPLACE THAT WITH WOOD NOW.

SO THE WHOLE BACK ADDITION, TOP TO BOTTOM WOULD BE WOOD SIDING.

THAT'S REALLY HARD CHANGE.

INCLUDING THE FRONT OR NOT, WHAT'S THAT INCLUDING THE FRONT, THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING WOULD STAY THE SAME ALUMINUM SIDING ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE ADDITION.

LIKE ON HERE.

SO IF I CAN SLOW US DOWN FOR JUST ONE MINUTE, IS THERE ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK EITHER, UH, FOR OR AGAINST THE APPLICATION? OKAY.

HEARING NONE.

UM, HOLD TIGHT STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.

OH, SORRY.

THAT'S OKAY.

UM, ONE APPLICANT HOLD THAT PUBLIC.

COLUMN WRAPS, FRONT HANDRAILS, FRONT DOOR REPLACEMENT, WOOD WINDOW RE WOOD REPLACEMENT, WINDOWS AND NEW FENCING AND GATE IN ALL OF THE ABCS.

UH, ALRIGHT.

SO THIS IS, UM, FOR APPLICANTS, MONIQUE TAYLOR AND WALKER GROUP ARCHITECTURE, UH, FOR 5 0 7 GEORGE STREET, THE HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME IS THE SMITH HOUSE.

I'M GONNA MAKE THIS BIGGER.

SO YOU GUYS CAN ALL READ THIS FROM YOUR SEATS, UH, AND IN THE INVENTORY LISTED AS, UH, BUILT IN 1900, BUT THAT WOULD BE INCORRECT.

UH, WE'VE VERIFIED THIS THROUGH THE SANDBORN MAPS THAT IT WAS BUILT AFTER 1924, BUT BEFORE 1929, NEVERTHELESS, IT IS, UH, STILL A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY DESCRIPTION FROM 2003 LISTED AS TWO STORIES, UH, TWO BAYS WIDE, THREE BAYS DEEP TWO OVER TWO SASH, FRONT PORCH WITH ROUND POSTS ON CONCRETE BLOCK, PIERS, ALUMINUM SIDING METAL CLA GABLE, FRONT ROOF, AND TWO EXTERIOR CHIMNEYS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE.

SANDECK HAD NO DESCRIPTION OF IT.

SO FOR 5 0 7 GEORGE STREET, THE PROJECT IS TO INCLUDE REMOVING THE EXISTING SIDE PORCH, ADDING A NEW SECOND FLOOR REAR EDITION AM BALCONY, A NEW REAR DECK FRONT

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SO STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES ARE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR FENCING 2.5 0.2 FOR DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1 0.12, FOUR, AND FIVE FOR MODIFICATIONS, 3.2 0.1 AND TWO FOR ADDITIONS, 3.3 0.12 AND THREE FOR WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION 4.2 0.3 AND FOUR FOR WINDOWS DOORS AND OPENINGS.

4.3 0.2 FOR ENTRANCES, 4.4 0.4 AND FIVE FOR DECKS AND PATIOS 4.6 0.2 FOR WOOD.

5.2 0.1 AND TWO FOR PAINT, 5.4 0.5 0.4 0.23 AND FOUR FOR PAINT.

I GUESS WE'RE ADDING FOUR, 5.4 0.6 AS WELL FOR CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS, 5.5 0.4.

AND FOR STATEMENTS, A REASON, UH, BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION AND STAFF'S JUDGMENT ARE ONE.

THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

TWO, THE PROPOSAL IS AN ADDITION AND MODIFICATIONS TO AN EXISTING CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.

THREE, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES.

FOUR, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR ON THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY AND FIVE.

THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.

SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COMMISSION APPROVE THIS APPLICATION TO INCLUDE REMOVING THE EXISTING SIDE PORCH, ADDING A NEW SECOND FLOOR REAR EDITION AND BALCONY, A NEW REAR DECK FRONT COLUMN WRAPS, FRONT HAND RAILS, FRONT DOOR REPLACEMENT WOULD REPLACEMENT WINDOWS AND NEW FENCING IN GATE IN ALL ABCS WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION, THE PLAN SHOULD BE REVISED TO SHOW THE LOCATION OF THE PORCH SCREENS.

THANK YOU, MS. STONE, YOU HAD A THOUGHT, WELL, JUST THAT YOU'RE REMOVING ALL THE VINYL SIDING, EXCEPT FOR ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.

I KIND OF ALUMINUM, ALUMINUM, SORRY, ALUMINUM, EXCEPT FOR THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.

AND JUST LIKE, TRY TO GET MY BRAIN AROUND.

WHY DO THE ENTIRE HOUSE IS NOT, I DIDN'T WANT TO DO THE BACK PORTION OF THE HOUSE WITH WOOD SIDING ON THE TOP AND ALUMINUM SIDING ON THE BOTTOM OF IT.

I WANT LINE TO DELINEATE THE NEW EDITION, UM, ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, IT'S CERTAINLY ALLOWED TO KEEP IT'S THERE.

JUST THE LOGIC OF DOING IT ALL.

I MEAN, VERY FRONT OF THE HOUSE.

I WAS, YEAH.

I MEAN, STOPPING AT THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.

SO IT'S NOT GOING TOO MUCH MORE AREA OF WOODSIDE.

WHAT OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS DO WE HAVE FOR CHRIS? IF, IF YOU, I COULDN'T FIND ANYWHERE IN THE, IN THE DRAWINGS WHERE YOU ACTUALLY SPECIFIED THAT THE LOW FENCE IS X FEET, FOUR FEET, AND THE TALL FENCE IS SIX.

I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE DRAWINGS, BUT THAT'S WHAT RIGHT HERE, IT'S SHOWN GRAPHICALLY, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO, IT DOESN'T SAY THAT.

I THINK JUST IT'S ON YOUR TESTIMONY, AS LONG AS YOU SAY, I GUESS, MODIFICATION OF THE FINAL PLAN, SHERRY, THAT I THINK IT'S WRITTEN THAT WAY.

IT'S JUST NOT DIMENSION.

AND SO WITH THE FENCE, UH, THE, SO THE SIX FOOT FENCE, WHERE WOULD YOU SAY IT IS ON THIS SKETCH? UM, RIGHT WHERE THAT NEW STONE PAVING AND LANDSCAPING STARTS.

I WISH MY, MY POINTER WAS BETTER.

SO, UM, AT THE END OF THE GRAY DRIVEWAY, YEAH, ABOUT THERE.

AND SO WE'RE JUST MISSING A LINE ACROSS THERE.

MM-HMM THE SHOW AND GOING ACROSS THE GREEN AREA? WELL, IT WOULDN'T BE GOING ACROSS THE GREEN AREA THERE IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY GOING ACROSS THE GREEN, NEAR THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AT SIX FEET, OR IT JUST TURNS TO SIX FEET BACK THERE AT THE, UH, AT THE PAVED THEORY, THE LANDSCAPE AREA WHERE THE TREE IS, YOU CAN SEE IT IN ELEVATION.

LOOK TO ONE, THE ELEVATION VIEWS OF THE SIDE.

I HAVE A HAND.

IT'S VERY, NOW THERE'S A HAND HERE.

SO, UM, OUT AT THE CURB, YOU'RE NOT HAVING ANY FENCE, RIGHT? UH, YOU HAVE A FOUR FOOT FENCE OUT FRONT.

NO, NO.

THE FOUR FOOT FENCE STARTS RIGHT BEHIND.

THE DRIVEWAY, FOUR FEET TO THE CORNER.

RIGHT WHERE YOUR CURSOR IS.

SO FOUR FOOT FENCE HERE WITH A FOUR FOOT GATE ACROSS

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AND THEN IT'S FOUR FEET, FEET, FOUR FEET ALL THE WAY GOING BACK TO ABOUT THERE.

AND THEN IT POPS UP TO SIX FEET.

CORRECT.

BUT THERE'S NO FENCE ACROSS THIS WAY.

NO.

ME THAT, THAT MUST BE WHAT WAS CONFUSING ME.

SO IT JUST RANDOMLY STARTS THERE AS SIX FOOT AND THEN CONTINUES SIX FOOT ALL THE WAY AROUND.

CONTINUES, SIX FOOT ALL THE WAY AROUND AND THEN ALSO SIX FOOT BACK HERE.

AND, AND THEN FINALLY IT'S THE HOUSE AT THAT CORNER THERE.

EVERYTHING CLEARED, I THINK SO.

CANDACE, DID YOU, YES.

UH, ON THE NORTH ELEVATION THERE, THAT'S THE SIDE WHERE THE BUMP OUT AND THE NEW EDITION PROPOSED EDITION.

CORRECT.

AND EARLY ON, I HEARD THERE WAS A COMMENT THAT IT WAS REALLY ON YOUR LOT, EVEN THOUGH IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS ON THE ADJACENT LOT OR THE NEXT, THE, THE LOT NEXT TO IT IS THERE, IF YOU'RE GONNA ADD A SECOND FLOOR, YOU'RE NOT ON A LOT LINE, RIGHT.

THERE'S A APPROPRIATE SETBACK FROM A PROPERTY LINE FOR THAT.

UM, SO, UH, THE, THE EXISTING BUILDING IS ALREADY THERE.

IT ALREADY, THERE, THERE WAS A LITTLE ADDITION THAT LITTLE, LITTLE POP OUT ADDITION THAT YOU HAD MENTIONED EARLIER WAS ALMOST ON THE LINE, LOOKED LIKE IT WAS ON THE NEIGHBOR'S LINE.

UM, LET ME SEE.

I JUST, MY QUESTION IS ONLY TO JUST CONFIRM THAT THERE IS APPROPRIATE SETBACK BEFORE WE PUT AN ADDITION ON THAT.

SO, CAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE LINE.

SO THE EXISTING WALL IS, UM, HERE, I HAVE MY HAND AGAIN, IS ALONG THIS, THIS HERE AND THE, THE PROPERTY LINE IS DEFINITELY, UH, LESS THAN THE SETBACK DISTANCE AWAY.

SO IT'S ALREADY A NONCONFORMING WALL.

AND WHAT HE'S PROPOSING IS BUILDING JUST ON TOP OF THAT EXACT SAME WALL AND THE ZONING AND THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.

TIM, DID YOU HAVE COMMENT QUESTION? UM, OKAY.

SO, SO SOME OF THE, UH, SOME OF THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS WERE REMOVED AND REPLACED, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I'M READING HERE.

THEY'VE BEEN REPLACED WITH, UH, TEMPORARY WINDOWS RIGHT NOW.

UH, WHEN YOU REMOVE THESE, WAS THERE ANY KIND OF SURROUNDING TRIM, UH, EXTERIOR CASE, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT AROUND THE ACTUAL WINDOW SASH, I'D HAVE TO CHECK INTO THEM.

I'M NOT REALLY SURE.

ALL I KNOW IS WHAT I'M SEEING OUT ON SITE.

UH, I, I WAS OVER THERE THIS AFTERNOON AND I REALLY COULDN'T DETERMINE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS HAD LOOKED LIKE.

I THINK THE ONE PICTURE THAT IS PROVIDED HERE WITH THE WINDOWS, I BELIEVE THIS IS THE WINDOW, UH, SA SA IS FROM THE BACK UHHUH.

AND I NOTICED THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT PUT IN PROPERLY, WHICH IS YOUR FAULT.

UM, THE, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S TWO BOTTOM SASS PUT TOGETHER, SO I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE THAT'S ACTUALLY A REPRESENTATIVE PHOTO OF, OF WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE ORIGINALLY AGAIN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN RE-ENGINEERED TO SAY THE LEAST.

UM, SO, SO THE, THE, THE CORE, MY QUESTION IS, UH, THE WINDOW, THE WINDOW TRIM, UH, IT'S NOT CLEAR FROM THE DRAWING EXACTLY WHAT THE WINDOW TRIM WILL LOOK LIKE, WHETHER THERE'S GOING TO BE ANY TRIM.

I THINK THE IDEA IS TO GO AROUND WITH SOME TRIM, SOME MORE TRIM, AND I'M WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.

IF YOU'LL LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER, UM, SOME OF THE OTHER SAMPLE HOUSES THAT, UH, MATT, THAT MATT SHOWED US, YOU'LL NOTICE WHAT THE TYPICAL WINDOW TRIM LOOKS LIKE ON THESE WELL, IN THESE HOUSES OF THIS PERIOD.

NOW, I REALIZE THAT YOU'RE, YOU'VE GOT A BIT OF AN ENGINEERING CHALLENGE HERE IN THE SENSE THAT THESE WINDOWS HAVE OBVIOUSLY BEEN CHANGED AND THE SIDING WAS PUT ON AND THEY PROBABLY RIPPED SOME OF THE TRIM OFF AT THAT POINT.

MM-HMM .

I THINK I'D LIKE TO GO BACK WITH THE TRIM SIMILAR TO THE, UH, THE BOTTOM MIDDLE PHOTO OF THE CONTEXT

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PHOTOS.

FOUR, 13, YEAH, FOUR 13.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I, I WAS FOCUSING ON.

MM-HMM , UH, THE PICTURE TO THE LEFT OF THAT, OF THE ONE STORY HOUSE, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT THE TRIM WOULD TYPICALLY LOOK LIKE, AND THEN THE HOUSE, THE HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET, THAT'S, UH, CURRENTLY UNOCCUPIED AGAIN, ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE TYPICAL WINDOW TRIM WOULD'VE LOOKED LIKE, UH, ON THIS HOUSE.

AGAIN, I REALIZE YOU'VE GOT SOME ENGINEERING CHALLENGES THERE.

THE TRAIN WAS OBVIOUSLY BEEN MODIFIED PROBABLY WHEN THEY PUT THE SIDING ON.

SO JUST AGAIN, JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT TO, TO TRY TO GET THIS, UH, SO IT DOESN'T LOOK OUT, SO IT DOESN'T STICK OUT TOO FAR COMPARED TO THE OTHER HOUSES.

UH, RIGHT.

IT WOULD BE A CHALLENGE WITH EXISTING ALUMINUM SIDING.

LEADING THAT.

AND THEN AS FAR AS THE COLUMNS ARE CONCERNED, UH, IN LOOKING AT THE, UH, SANDBORN MAP FROM 1924, UH, IT SORT OF LOOKS LIKE THE PORCH MAY HAVE BEEN EXTENDED A BIT.

CAN'T REALLY TELL FROM THE SANDBORN MAPS.

CAUSE CAN'T TELL HOW ACCURATE THEY ARE.

MY, MY OPINION ON THE FRONT PORCH IS THAT THAT HAS BEEN MODIFIED SIGNIFICANTLY.

THAT'S NOT WHAT THE ORIGINAL PORCH LOOKED LIKE.

THE ROUND COLUMNS, I THINK HAVE BEEN CUT AND REENGINEERED.

UH, IT APPEARS THAT THERE WAS PROBABLY SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THERE MM-HMM THAT WAS HOLDING UP THE PORCH.

JUST THE WAY THAT THE, THE PORCH IS, IS STRUCTURED.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH GOING WITH THE BOXED COLUMNS.

IN FACT, I THINK THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD PROBABLY, I AGREE.

THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE APPROPRIATE WITH OTHER HOUSES THAT YOU WOULD SEE LIKE THIS, RIGHT.

THE SINGLE, THE SINGLE COLUMN, UH, ROUND COLUMN, THERE MAY BE SOME HOUSES IN A HISTORIC DISTRICTS LIKE THAT, BUT I CAN'T RECALL ANY OFFHAND.

AND IS IT WOOD OR IS IT YES.

WOOD COLUMN.

I MEAN, THEY, THE, THE WRAP WILL BE WOOD AS WELL.

MM-HMM AND YOU GONNA DO TAPERED OR JUST SQUARE? UM, I'D LIKE TO DO A TAPERED TAPE.

A SMALL TAPE.

I THOUGHT I SAW AN ILLUSTRATION EARLIER.

IT LOOKED JUST SQUARE IN THE ILLUSTRATION.

OH, DID IT? OKAY.

THAT'S WHY I WAS, YEAH.

SIMILAR BOARD 13 AS WELL.

LIKE, SO IT WAS THE EXAMPLE PICTURE I WAS NEGATIVE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, ONE OTHER, UM, IN THE SALINE THAT, UM, MATT POINTED OUT AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THIS PRACTICE ANYMORE, BUT IN, IN ADDITIONS, LET'S SEE 3.3 0.2 DELINEATE THE ADDITION FROM THE PLANE OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE BY CREATING SLIGHT OFFSETS AND CORNERS.

UM, WE'VE ALSO ACHIEVED THAT WITH LIKE A TRIM BOARD.

SO IT SHOWS YOU THE EVOLUTION OF THE HOUSE AS ADDITIONS HAVE OCCURRED.

AND SO IT'S JUST KIND OF A NOD TO THIS IS A NEW PIECE.

YEP.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE PLAN WE PUT OKAY.

A TRIM AND EXPANSION AT THE ROOF.

SO, YOU KNOW, THAT WHOLE PIECE IS IN ADDITION.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS.

WE OKAY DOWN HERE, MOLLY.

TONY? YES.

ALL GOOD.

0.23, FOUR, AND SIX, CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS, 5.5 0.4.

YOU READY? WHAT? I'M READY IF YOU'RE READY.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVED.

WE FIND THE APPLICATION FOR 5 0 7 GEORGE STREET TO BE NOT IN CONGRESS WITH NEW BERN'S CODE OF ORDINANCE, SECTION 15, 4, 11 TO 15 4 29 AND NEW BE'S HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT FENCING 2.5 0.2 DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1 0.12, FOUR, AND FIVE MODIFICATIONS, 3.2 0.1 AND TWO ADDITIONS, 3.3 0.1 AND TWO AND THREE WALLS, TRIM ORNAMENTATION, 4.2 0.3 AND FOUR WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS.

4.3 0.2 ENTRANCES 4.4 0.4 AND FIVE DECKS AND PATIOS 4.6 0.2 WOOD 5.2 0.1 AND TWO PAINT, 5.4

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STATEMENTS OF REASON THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

THE PROPOSAL IS IN ADDITION AND MODIFICATIONS TO AN EXISTING CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND RECOMMEND AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.

AND THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.

WE HAVE A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION HEARING NONE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY I ANY OPPOSED, CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO ISSUE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS? SO MOVE AND THE SECOND, DO WE HAVE A CONDITION NOW? WELL, WE COULD, IF IT'S YOUR MOTION, WOULD YOU LIKE TO, WELL, HIS EMOTIONAL HE'S MADE, HE MADE THIS ABOUT THE SCREEN.

THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION LOOK.

WELL, LET'S, LET'S JUST GO ON AND CLEAN THIS UP WHERE WE ARE AND WHAT'S THAT.

LET'S JUST GO AHEAD AND VOTE AND FINISH THIS UP AND CLARIFY THAT.

CLARIFY IT LATER.

SO, SO WE'VE GOT A MOTION FOR A COA AND A SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION HERE, HEARING ON ALL THOSE IN FAVOR POLICE SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? UM, WHO WAS THE SECOND AGAIN? I'M SORRY.

I THINK IT WAS TONY.

THE COA WAS FOR THE CO WAS ME.

UM, THE CLARIFICATION IS JUST THAT I COULDN'T EVEN TELL WHERE THE SCREENS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE PLAN, SO PERHAPS WE COULD HANDLE THAT ADMINISTRATIVELY WITHOUT A, TO DO.

IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU, CHRIS? YEAH.

SHOULD I SUBMIT A NEW PLAN TO YOU? YEAH.

TO SHARE THIS.

I THINK THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM D PROXY, CORRECT? 4 0 4 AVENUE B.

THANKS FOR YOUR COOPERATION.

10 MINUTES TO PUT THAT LINE ON THERE.

RIGHT? COULDN'T SEE WHERE, SO THE ACTUAL SCREENS GO.

ALL RIGHT, MATT,

[4.D. 404 Avenue B – to include fencing in all AVCs.]

GOOD.

SEE YOU CHRIS ITEM D AVENUE B 4 0 4 AVENUE B.

UM, PROPERTY OWNER IS SARAH BOY.

BOAN HOW YOU BOYAN.

YEP.

UH, AND, UH, SHE'S PROVIDED, UH, FULL APPLICATION HERE, CHECKED OFF ALL THE GOOD STUFF SIGNED BOTTOM.

SO, UM, TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA THAT THAT'S, THIS PROJECT IS PRIMARILY JUST TO ADD FENCING ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PROPERTY.

UH, AND SHE'S PROVIDED A SITE PLAN HERE, UH, THE DARK GREEN LINE TOWARDS THE BOTTOM OF THE PICTURE HERE, UH, WHICH STARTS IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER OF THE HOUSE, GOES OUT TO THE SIDEWALK, GOES ALONG WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE GOES TO THE LEFT, UH, PROPERTY LINE, WHICH WOULD BE THE SOUTHWEST PROPERTY CORNER, AND THEN FOLLOWS THE WEST PROPERTY LINE BACK TO ESSENTIALLY THE REAR LEFT CORNER OR NORTHWEST CORNER, UM, OR IN LINE WITH THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE, UH, BACK OF THE HOUSE.

UH, AND THEN FROM THAT NORTHWEST CORNER OUT TO THE WEST PROPERTY LINE, AND THEN BACK AROUND THE ENTIRE THREE SIDES OF THE BACKYARD, UH, IS A SIX FOOT HIGH FENCE.

SO THE FIRST ONE IS A 3.5 FOOT PICKET FENCE.

AND THE SECOND ONE IS A SIX FOOT HIGH PRIVACY FENCE.

AND SO, UM, SHE'S PROVIDED SOME IMAGES HERE, UM, OF THE PICKET FENCE, THE PRIVACY FENCE, UH, THE HOUSE.

AND AGAIN, SHOWING WHERE THE FENCES ARE GOING TO.

THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE AT THE FRONT SIDE OF THE HOUSE, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE AT THE FRONT.

AND THEN FROM THE BACK CORNER OF THE HOUSE, UM, LOOKING UP TOWARDS THE STREET WHERE THE FENCE CHANGES FROM A THREE FOOT HIGH FENCE TO A SIX FOOT HIGH FENCE.

UH, AND THEN HERE, UM, THE REAR YARD SHOWING SIX FOOT FENCE ALL THE WAY AROUND, UM, YES, ADDING A NEW SECOND FENCE, UM, ON THE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT UP AGAINST THE NEIGHBOR'S

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FENCES AND BUILDING THERE.

AND THEN FINALLY IT ATTACHES BACK TO THE, UM, NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE HOUSE.

UM, THEN WE HAVE OUR ZONING AND INSPECTIONS REVIEW OF THIS.

UM, HE SIGNED OFF THAT, DIDN'T SAY, CUZ WE HAVE NO REQUIREMENTS FOR FENCES AND ZONING.

OTHER THAN, UH, FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR SAYS IT WILL NOT REQUIRE BUILDING PERMIT.

SO OTHERWISE I'M READY, UM, WITH RECOMMENDATIONS.

UH, MISS SARAH, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD? I'D LIKE TO SUBMIT, UM, A MINOR AMENDMENT TO WHERE THE PRIVACY, I YOU'LL NEED TO SPEAK A LOT LOUDER THAT, OH, DOESN'T REALLY PICK UP.

I'D LIKE TO SUBMIT A, AN AMENDMENT TO WHERE THE PRIVACY FENCE STARTS.

UM, IN THE APPLICATION, THE INITIAL APPLICATION, IT DOES, UM, START WHERE THE HOUSE MEETS, UM, AND PER THE FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS, I'D LIKE TO AMEND IT, TO BRINGING IT FORWARD A LITTLE BIT.

SO IT'S RIGHT BEHIND THE SIDE ENTRANCE.

AND SO ALL THE UTILITIES AND ALL THAT WILL BE BEHIND THE PRIVACY FENCE.

AND I SEE A BIG GREEN ARROW THAT POINTS AT THE BACK OF THE STEPS AND IN FRONT OF THE UTILITIES, IS THAT YEP.

THE CORRECT DIAGRAM.

SO YOU CAN SEE IT KIND OF THERE.

YEP, EXACTLY.

YEP.

SO HERE, LEMME, AT LEAST THAT'S MY INTERPRETATION.

MM-HMM SO THE THING IS, UH, ONE OF THE OTHER ONES SHOWS BEHIND THAT.

SO THAT'S THE YEP.

LIMITATIONS THAT YOU HAVE WITH DOCTORING OF PHOTOGRAPHS, BUT THIS IS THE ONE YOU INTEND.

TO BE IN FRONT OF THE, THE FENCE IN FRONT OF THE H V A C UNIT, NOT LIKE THIS ONE WHERE IT'S SHOWN BEHIND IT, CORRECT? YEP.

AH, I JUST TO HIDE VERY GOOD.

UM, DID YOU HAVE ANY REVISIONS FOR THE PICKET FENCE? I DO.

I HAVE AN ALTERNATE TICKET FENCE STYLE HERE, UM, TO SHOW YOU ALL RIGHT.

SO THIS ALSO HAS HAVE THE LET'S WE'RE GONNA BE .

OH, OF COURSE.

SO THERE'S THREE DIFFERENCES.

UM, THE STYLE ON THE TOP IS A CHANGE FROM THE FRENCH GO.

THAT I WAS INITIALLY, UM, SUBMITTED TO THE DOG EAR, WHICH MATCHES THE PRIVACY FENCE STYLE.

IT'S ALSO FOUR INCHES SHORTER.

SO IT'S 3.1 INCHES TALL RATHER THAN 3.5 INCHES TALL.

BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY THAT I WENT TO LOWE'S AND MEASURED.

IT IS FOUR INCHES DIS DISTANCE BETWEEN THE PICKETS AND THAT NEW SUBMISSION IS 2.83 INCHES BETWEEN THE PICKETS.

TO ALIGN WITH B GUIDELINES.

GREAT.

AND SO WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF PERHAPS SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES TO THE APPLICATION ARE ALL COMMISSIONERS SET ASIDE WITH THE COMPLETE LIST OF THE APPLICATION AT THIS POINT? ALL OKAY.

AND SO, UH, WE MAY HAVE SOME PUBLIC, ANY COMMENTS EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THE APPLICATION HEARING? NOT.

PROJECT, UH, AND SAND BACK HAD NO DESCRIPTION.

MATT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO, UH, GIVE A RECOMMENDATION PLEASE? YES.

ONE SECOND.

I AT YOUR CONVENIENCE NOTE HERE, UM, A SECOND SPACING.

SO THIS IS THE, UH, APPLICATION FOR SARA BOYAN AT 4 0 4 AVENUE B.

THE HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME IS THE WILLIS HOUSE, UH, BUILT CIRCA 1920.

IT IS CONTRIBUTING IN THE RIVERSIDE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY DESCRIPTION FROM 1988, UH, DESCRIBES IT AS OCCUPIED IN 1926 BY THE WILLIS FAMILY, UH, CARPENTERS, CHARLES E AND MARSHALL AND BUILDING CONTRACTOR, CLYDE C UH, THIS TWO STORY FRAME TRIP PILE HOUSE WAS BUILT BETWEEN 19, 19 AND 1924.

IT WAS FURTHER DESCRIPTIONS, BUT NOT RELEVANT TO A FENCING

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SO IN FOR FOUR OR FOUR AVENUE B, THE PROJECT IS TO INCLUDE NEW FENCING IN ALL ABCS.

SO STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES ARE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR FENCING 2.5 0.12 AND THREE PER PAINT, 5.4 0.2, THREE AND FOUR.

THE STATEMENTS ARE REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION AND STAFF'S JUDGMENT R ONE, THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

THE PROPOSAL IS THE CONSTRUCTION OF FENCING AND AROUND AN EXISTING CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, THREE, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES.

FOUR, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY AND FIVE.

THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH GUIDELINES.

SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COMMISSION TO APPROVE THIS APPLICATION TO INCLUDE NEW FENCING AND ALL ABCS FOR THE CONDITION THAT THE TALL FENCING BE INSTALLED IN FRONT OF THE H V A C UNIT, WHICH SHE HAS NOW SINCE MODIFIED ZONE, NO CONDITION RECOMMENDED.

PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD APPLICATION.

VERY GOOD.

SO COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS, COMMENTS SEEM TO HAVE AN APPLICANT WHO RESPONDED TO SOME FEEDBACK DURING DESIGN REVIEW OR APPLYING, WHICH IS WE APPRECIATE.

AND USUALLY A GOOD THING.

ARE WE READY TO PUT FORTH A MOTION? OKAY.

I MOVED TO FIND APPLICATION FOR 4 0 4 AVENUE B TO BE NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH NEW BERN'S CODE ORDINANCE SECTIONS 15.4 11 POINT 15.429 AND NEW BERN'S HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT FENCING 2.5 0.12 AND THREE PAINT 5.4 0.234.

OOPS, SORRY.

AND FINDINGS.

IN FACT, THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

NUMBER TWO, THE PROPOSAL IS CONSTRUCTION OF FENCING AROUND ALL EXISTING CONTRIBUTING THE EXISTING CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.

NUMBER THREE, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES.

NUMBER FOUR, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR IN CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.

NUMBER FIVE, THE PROJECT IS NOT WITH THE GUIDELINES.

ALRIGHTY.

WE HAVE A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO ISSUE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS? SO MOVE SECOND.

WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? I THINK TIM THOMPSON.

HEARING NONE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT.

YOU HAVE A, A COA.

WE HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS, PRETTY FAMOUS.

WE DO NOT HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS.

JUST SKIP DOWN TO YOUR REPORT.

ANY GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS HEARING NONE.

UM, WELL LET'S

[8. HPC Administrator’s Report]

MATT HPC ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT.

WE JUST REPORT THE FOLLOWING MAJORS AND MINORS HAVE BEEN ISSUED.

ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS ON THE RECENTLY ISSUED MAJORS AND MINORS.

UM, UH, MATT, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER ITEMS? UM, ACTUALLY, UH, THERE IS AN UPCOMING, UH, PRESERVATION NC CONFERENCE COMING UP IN OCTOBER.

UM, I'M PLANNING ON ATTENDING, BUT CAN ONLY BE THERE FOR ONE DAY.

UH, I BELIEVE, UH, ANNETTE HAS, UH, UM, INQUIRED ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE FUNDS, UH, IN OUR BUDGET TO, UH, HELP COMMISSIONERS, UH, GO TO THE CONFERENCE.

UH, WE'RE STILL LOOKING INTO THAT.

NC IS OCTOBER 26TH, 27, 28, I BELIEVE.

SO PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED.

UH, AND, UH, WHAT ARE THE DATES? WHAT'S THAT? WHAT ARE THE DATES, YOU KNOW, FROM HERE? UH, I'LL LOOK IT UP ON MY CALENDAR IF YOU WANNA JUST SEND IT.

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AND, AND THE OTHER USUAL QUESTION IS WHERE IN WINSTON, SALEM, WINSTON, SALEM.

THAT'S ALWAYS A GOOD TRIP.

YOU FIND OUT ALL KINDS OF INTERESTING THINGS.