Oct 19, 2022 Historic Preservation Commission

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CALLING TO ORDER THIS MEETING OF THE STARK PRESERVATION COMMISSION.

[1. Opening of Meeting with Roll Call]

WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL? UH, MOLLY BALES AT STONE HERE.

UH, WE HAVE A QUORUM.

DO WE HAVE MINUTES OF THE PREVIOUS MEETING? NO.

NO, WE WON'T APPROVE THEM.

A FEW BU BRIEF REMARKS ON WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.

[4.A. Hearings: Introduction, Swearing-In, Summary of Process]

HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSIONS, A PUBLIC COMMISSION APPOINTED BY THE CITY OF NEW BERN'S BOARD OF ALDERMAN.

WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR PRESERVING AND SAFEGUARDING NEW BERN'S, LOCALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICTS DOWNTOWN AND RIVERSIDE, BASED ON DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR GUIDELINES, STATE STATUES, STATUTES, CITY ORDINANCES, AND NEW BERN'S HISTORIC GUIDELINES.

TWO OF THE MAJOR TASKS THAT WE DO ARE THE APPROVAL OF APPLICATIONS FOR A CERTIFICATE, APPROPRIATENESS AND PREVENTING DEMOLITION OF HISTORIC, UH, STRUCTURES BY NEGLECT.

WERE QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING ON THE CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS.

WE HEAR TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT, BY PARTIES WHO HAVE RECEIVED NOTICE OF THE HEARING AND BY OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT, UH, COMMENTS AND STANDING.

WE DON'T CONSIDER PERSONAL OPINIONS AND LIKES AND DISLIKES.

WE, WE MAKE OUR DECISIONS BASED ON THE STANDARDS THAT I PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED.

WOULD YOU SWEAR IN PRESENTERS? ANYONE WHO'S GONNA SPEAK TONIGHT, YOU'LL HAVE TO COME FORWARD AND MATT WILL SWEAR YOU IN.

ON FORWARD, IF YOU'RE GONNA SPEAK AT ALL.

EVERY RIGHT HAND, UH, SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE.

PLEASE, UH, YOUR, WHILE THEY'RE GETTING THEIR NAMES IN, I'LL JUST REVIEW THE PROCESS THAT WE'LL FOLLOW.

THE HPC ADMINISTRATOR'S GONNA PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT.

A REPRESENTATIVE WILL PRESENT AND GIVE AN OPOR, HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ELABORATE OR CLARIFY ON THAT.

PROPONENTS AND OPPONENTS OF THE APPLICATION WHO RECEIVE NOTICE, UH, ARE ALLOWED TO PRESENT EVIDENCE.

REBUTTAL IS ALLOWED BY THE APPLICANT AND PROPONENTS AND OPPONENTS, UM, OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY, JUSTIFY THEIR RELEVANT INFORMATION.

UM, AND STANDING MAY PROVIDE EVIDENCE.

UM, WE'LL REVIEW THE STAFF FINDINGS AND THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO FI MAKE FINAL COMMENT.

WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS, AND THEN I'LL CALL FOR A MOTION AND, AND VOTE ON THE CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS.

[4.B. 707 E. Front St. – to include a trellis screen in the Tertiary AVC.]

7 0 7 EAST FRONT STREET.

YEP.

OUR FIRST APPLICATION WILL BE 7 0 7 EAST FRONT STREET.

UH, AND THIS IS THE, UH, APPLICATION MATCH SMALLER.

LET ME JUST, ARE THERE ANY OF US THAT HAVE CONFLICTS OF INTEREST WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? OKAY.

UM, THIS IS THE APPLICATION FOR, UH, MS. MARISSA LA UH, DR.

MARISSA LOMBARDO.

UH, AND SHE LIVES THERE AT 7 0 7 EAST FRONT STREET.

UM, AND THE REST OF THE APPLICATION IS SHOWN HERE, MARKED OFF AND SIGNED BY HER.

UM, WE PROVIDED, UH, SOME STREET VIEW IMAGES, THIS STREET VIEW IMAGE FROM 2012 OF THE HOUSE, SO YOU CAN RECOGNIZE WHICH HOUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

UM, AND THEN THE APPLICANTS PROVIDED THE, UH, FOLLOWING PHOTOGRAPHS, UH, SHOWN HERE.

UH, THIS IS, UH, RELEVANT BECAUSE THE PROJECT IS AT THE END OF THIS DRIVEWAY ON THE RIGHT, YOU CAN BARELY SEE SOME SHRUBS.

UH, THAT'S WHERE, UH, BEHIND THAT PICKUP TRUCK AND A LITTLE BIT OF FENCING, UM, THAT'S WHERE THE PROJECT WILL BE.

SO HERE AGAIN, THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY WHERE THE SHRUBS ARE IN FRONT OF THIS WHITE FENCE.

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AND NOW CLOSER IN.

AND FINALLY, NOW, FROM, UH, A BROADER ANGLE HERE.

UH, SO YOU CAN SEE KIND OF THE EXTENT OF THE AREA WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THIS, UH, REPRESENTS THE SKETCH, UH, THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED.

UH, WE'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE.

UH, AND IT SHOWS THE EXISTING, UH, UH, WHITE FENCE BELOW, UM, SHOWN AS SIX FEET IN HEIGHT.

UH, AND THEN THE TRELLIS, UH, CONSTRUCTION THAT WILL BE EXTENDED ABOVE THAT ON SIX BY SIX, UM, POSTS.

AND, UH, AN AREA UPON WHICH AT THE TOP, UH, I BELIEVE THAT'S A, UH, BIND OR SOME KIND OF PLANTS THAT WILL HAVE GROWN UP THE POST TO GET TO THE TOP AND COVER THAT TOP AREA.

UM, AND LET'S SEE.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE APPLICATION.

SO FOR THE ZONING AND INSPECTIONS, UH, REVIEW, WE HAVE, UH, THE ZONING, UH, ADMINISTRATOR HAS SAID THAT IT DOES MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND USE, AND THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR INDICATES THAT IT WILL NOT REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.

OTHER THAN THAT, WE'RE READY WITH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.

IS THE OWNER HERE, UH, THE OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE? REPRESENTATIVE? THEY DID PROVIDE THE APPROPRIATE CERTIFICATE OF OWNER'S AUTHORIZATION.

DID THE OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE WANNA MAKE ANY COMMENTS OVER THERE ON THE OTHER SIDE? SIR? DID, LIKE, WOULD YOU WANNA MAKE YOU LIKE TO MAKE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? WHAT THAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? I'LL EM DO THEY WANTED TO STOP.

YOU DID COME.

YOU NEED TO COME UP HERE, HERE TO, OH, COME ON, PLEASE.

SO COME UP MR. THE MICROPHONE.

UM, SHE'S FRIENDS OF MINE AND SHE'S, UM, SHE'S NOT HERE.

SHE OUT ON THE TIME.

SHE SAID SHE HAVE A FOR ME TODAY, SO MM-HMM.

, I CAN REPRESENT HER.

AND, UM, AND SHE WANT TO DO THE PSYCH WAY YOU GUYS SAY, UM, AND SHE SENT ME OVER HERE TO, SO IF YOU GUYS WANT TO PROVE OR NOT.

DID YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO WHAT MATT COVERED? NO, I THINK SO.

THAT'S FINE.

YEAH, SO GO BACK TO SEE.

SURE.

BUT YOU MAY BE BACK SHORTLY.

, ARE THERE ANY NOTIFIED PROPONENTS OF THE PROJECT? ANY OPPONENTS? UH, OKAY.

I THINK WE'RE READY FOR THE FINDINGS.

UH, ALL RIGHT.

SO, UM, THESE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND FINDINGS FOR THE PROJECT AT 7 0 7 EAST FRONT STREET FOR DR.

MARISSA LOMBARDO.

UM, THE HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME IS SAINT CYPRIAN'S RECTORY, UH, FROM CIRCA 1880 TO 1900.

AND IN 1991, UM, THE NATIONAL REGISTER IN IT'S A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER.

INVENTORY DESCRIPTION INDICATES THAT IT WAS MOVED FROM 6 0 6 JOHNSON STREET IN 1991.

UM, IT IS TWO STORIES.

AN L PLAN, TWO BAYS WIDE TALL BAY WINDOW, RIGHT OF T PORCH, AND TWO-STORY REAR EDITION WITH GABLE BRUISE.

THE SANDECK DESCRIPTION FROM 1988 WHEN IT WAS AT THE PREVIOUS LOCATION, UM, UH, WAS DESCRIBED IN SANDECK, UH, BUT IT'S NOT APPLICABLE TO THIS APPLICATION.

SO 7 0 1 EAST FRONT STREET, THE APPLICATION IS TO INCLUDE A TRELLIS SCREEN IN THE TERTIARY ABC, UH, STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING.

HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES ARE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR LANDSCAPING 2.4 0.5 2.4 0.7 FOR PAINT.

IT'S 2.5 POINT, I'M SORRY, 5.4 0.2, 5.4 0.3, AND 5.4 0.4.

AND THE STATEMENT'S A REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION AND STAFF'S JUDGMENT ARE ONE, THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE TIGHT LEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

THE PROPOSAL IS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A TRELLIS.

THREE.

THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES.

FOUR.

THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.

AND FIVE, THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.

SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COMMISSION APPROVE THIS APPLICATION TO INCLUDE A TRELLIS SCREEN IN THE TERTIARY ABC.

COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.

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I JUST WANT IT IS THAT SHOWING THAT IT STARTS TWO FEET BACK FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE FENCE AND THEN IT GOES FOR 20 FEET? IS THAT HOW I'M READING THAT? UM, IT LOOKS LIKE IT READS 20 FEET, FEET FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE FENCE.

20.

WELL, BUT THEN THERE AT THE BEGINNING THERE'S A TWO, ISN'T THERE A, THERE'S 20 FEET IT LOOKS LIKE 20 FEET.

FEET FROM, AND I WOULD SAY THAT WOULD BE WELL, I SEE.

BUT IT DOESN'T START AT THE BEGINNING OF THE FENCE FROM MR. THAT'S CORRECT.

SO YOU CAN SEE THIS COULD BE 20 FEET, SO IT MIGHT BE FOUR FEET APPROXIMATELY.

AND JUST TO CLARIFY MATERIALS, I RECALL WE TALKED IN DESIGN REVIEW, MATT, UM, SIX BY SIXES ARE, I PRESUME WOOD POSTS.

AND I WOULD GUESS THE TRELLIS PIECES AT THE TOP ARE WOOD POST.

ARE THERE NOT SOME METAL INFILL PIECES BETWEEN POSTS AT THE TOP OF THE TRELLIS? SO, UM, PERHAPS WE SHOULD ASK, WE SHOULD ASK OUR REPRESENTATIVE.

UM, CAN YOU COME FORWARD PLEASE? DO YOU RECALL WHAT I'M RECALLING? ANYONE? I, YEAH.

I DON'T REMEMBER THERE BEING METAL THOUGH.

I THOUGHT THERE WAS A INSERT THAT WENT UP THERE.

YEAH, LIKE A LETTUCE.

IT IS, IT'S A BLACK SCROLL METAL.

? YEAH, THE PANELS ARE, WAS METAL.

THE, THE QUE THE QUESTION TO YOU, YOU, I KNOW YOU HAVE THAT DRAWING IN YOUR HAND.

AND IT'S ON THE SCREEN TOO.

IT'S ON THE SCREEN.

THERE'S THE MATERIAL.

SHE HAS SOME LOOK LIKE, UM, LOOK LIKE SHARP PIECE AND METAL.

THEY GO ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP AND THEY'RE GOING BETWEEN THE POLES.

AND THEY HAVE SOME HOLES WITH, UH, I THINK SHE SAID, GONNA SCREW THROUGH THE POST IN BETWEEN THE POLES.

BUT THEY LOOK LIKE A FOUR INCH METAL TOP.

IT'S KIND OF SOLID, HEAVY, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT'S NOT THAT HEAVY, WHAT'S STRONG, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT'S METAL.

YES, MA.

AND THEY'RE GOING BETWEEN THE POST AND THEY HAD LIKE, UM, THEIR SHARPEST MAIL IS FOUR FOOTER BY TWO.

, AND THEY GO THE WAY TO THE TOP.

YOU KNOW, ON TOP OF THE POST TO PUT, THANK YOU.

THANKS.

AND, AND I DIDN'T SEE LISTING OF MATERIALS ON THE APPLICATION WAS THE REASON I BROUGHT IT UP.

RIGHT? BECAUSE WE, IT MIGHT HAVE, MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN, UM, NOTICED OF THE LAST WEEK.

WE DID ASK FOR THE, THE LAST TIME IN THE DESIGN REVIEW BECAUSE WE WAS GOING BACK AND FORTH AND WE ASKED FOR GIVE SOME KIND OF EXAMPLE LIST OF MATERIALS.

THE MATERIALS.

I LIST MATERIALS.

AND I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION IS, ACCORDING TO THIS DESIGN HERE, IS IT HOW FAR BACK FROM THE FENCE IT'S GONNA BE? IS IT GONNA BE ON THE FENCE OR IS IT GONNA HAVE A SETBACK FROM THE FENCE? THE TRELLIS EDITION? YEAH, THE TRELLIS EDITION UP FROM THE DRAWING SITS RIGHT ON TOP OF THE FENCE.

RIGHT? YEAH.

IS THAT QUESTION NOT ON TOP IN FRONT? NO, NOT ON, YEAH, IT'S IN FRONT OF THE FENCE.

IN FRONT OF THE FRONT OF, YEAH, THE FRONT AND THE PANTS.

SO, UM, LET ME MAKE SAMPLE.

I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT.

SO WE HAVE TO COME ALSO.

SHE SAYS YOU GUYS MAY DO, UH, 12 INCHES OR MORE.

60 20 IS FOR A PRIVACY KIND OF PRIVACY.

, THERE'S THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING, THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING THAT.

AND BECAUSE THIS CAN BE LOOKED AT AS A, WE'RE LOOKING AT AS AN ACCESSORY, BUT SOMEBODY CAN COME ALONG AND LOOK AT IT AS AN EXTENSION OF THE FENCE.

SO THAT MAKES IT, THAT THEY'RE GETTING AWAY WITH A 12 FOOT FENCE WHEN WE HAVE A REGULATION OF SIX FEET MM-HMM.

SO IF IT'S SET BACK FROM THE FENCE, THEN IT'S AN ACCESSORY.

BUT IF IT'S TOUCHING THE FENCE OR BEING SUPPORTED BY THE FENCE, IT BECOMES AN EXTENSION OF THE FENCE.

AND THEN IT'S NO LONGER IN THE GUIDELINES.

GOOD POINT.

YOU, I ASSUME FROM THE DRAWING THAT THIS IS ATTACHED TO THE FENCE, ATTACHED TO THE FENCE.

IT IS.

WELL, OR NO, THAT WOULD BE PROBLEMATIC AS HE JUST STATED.

SO, BUT I THINK YOU HAD SUGGESTED THE APPLICANT HAS SUGGESTED THAT IT'S AT LEAST 12 INCHES AWAY FROM THE FENCE.

IT'S A FOOT AWAY FROM THE FENCE.

SHE ASKED WHAT? SO IF IT MADE THAT A CONDITION THAT IT BE A FOOT FROM THE FENCE, THEN YES, THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD WAY, BECAUSE, UH, THE DRAWINGS DO NOT SPECIFY.

MOTION THAT THAT'LL BE A CONDITION.

OR THE APPLICATION DOES NOT SPECIFY.

SO, OKAY.

SO WHEN, WHEN, AND IF WE CONSIDER A

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ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS? THAT'S A GOOD POINT, TONY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE.

I'D CALL FOR A MOTION.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M, WHO TO FIND THE APPLICATION FOR 7 0 7 EAST FRONT STREET TO BE NOT IN, IN CONGRESS WITH NEW BERNS CODE OF ORDINANCES SECTIONS 15,004 11 TO 15,429.

AND NEW BERN'S HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT LANDSCAPING 2.45 AND SEVEN, PAINT 5.4 2, 4, 5 0.4, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR.

AND THE PROJECT FINDINGS OF FACT, THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

THE PROPOSAL IS THE CONSTRUCTION OF A TRELLIS.

THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES AND THE GO.

THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED COURTLY FIFTH, FIFTH, AND FINAL.

THE PROJECT IS NOT IN CONGRESS WITH THE GUIDELINES AND A CONDITION.

AND I WOULD PROPOSE ONE CONDITION THAT THE TRELLIS STRUCTURE BE 12 INCHES INSIDE OF THE EXISTING FENCE.

IS THERE A SECOND FOR THE MOTION? SECOND MOTION'S BEEN, UH, MADE AND SECONDED.

ALL IN FAVOR, STATE AYE.

NEED A MOTION TO ISSUE THE COA? THAT'S CORRECT.

SO I MOVE SECOND, MOVE, AND SECOND, WE ISSUE THE COA.

ALL IN FAVOR? STATE I.

AYE.

I ISSUE THE COA.

SORRY, FORGOT ABOUT THAT ONE.

YOU'RE GOOD TO GO? GOOD TO GO.

UM, I, I WILL BE ISSUING THE, UH, COA AND SENDING IT TO HER.

[4.C. 212 Change St. – Amendment to add a pool and paved area around the pool to the previously approved CoA.]

CHANGE STREET.

UH, THIS IS THE APPLICATION HERE FOR, UM, DR.

AND MRS. SCOTT MCCLELLAN.

AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVE IS LUCIAN BONE OF TAR HEEL ASSOCIATES.

UM, THEY HAVE ATTACHMENTS FOR THE VARIOUS PAR PARTS OF THAT APPLICATION, AND THEN CHECKED OFF ALL OF THE BOTTOM HERE.

AND MR. LUCIAN VAUGHN, LIKE I SAID, HERE IS HIS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, OWNER'S AUTHORIZATION, UH, WITH A NOTARIZED SIGNATURE AND THE DESCRIPTION OF THE WORK.

UM, SO THIS IS ACTUALLY FROM THE ORIGINAL COA.

SO THE APPLICATION BEFORE YOU TODAY, OR THE ISSUE BEFORE YOU TODAY, IS AN AMENDMENT TO THIS APPLICATION.

SO SINCE WE HAVE SEVERAL NEW MEMBERS, I THOUGHT I WOULD JUST BRIEFLY GO OVER THIS SO WE CAN, LIKE, IN THIS CASE, DO THE BULLET POINTS.

UM, THEY DID SOME ALTERATIONS TO THE EXISTING CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE LISTED THERE.

AND THEN, UH, ALSO TO THE SECOND TO THE, UM, THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN THE SECONDARY, UH, ABC.

WAIT, OH, WAIT, OH, I'M SORRY.

UM, THE TOP BULLET ITEMS ARE FOR ALTERATIONS IN THE TERTIARY ABC, AND THE SECOND ONE IS FOR THE SECONDARY ABC ITEMS. UM, AND THEY PROVIDED ALL OF THE GUIDELINES AT THE TIME, UM, AND THE LIST OF MATERIALS FOR ALL THOSE VARIOUS THINGS.

UH, AND, UH, THEY ALSO PROVIDED THE SANDECK BOOK, UM, EXCERPT FOR TWO 12 CHANGE.

UH, THEY PROVIDED A NUMBER OF, UM, ILLUSTRATIONS.

AND THIS BEING A FULL PAGE DRAWING, I WILL HAVE TO MAKE THIS SMALLER FOR YOU.

THIS WAS THE, UM, ESSENTIALLY, UH, THERE WAS A PORCH EXTENSION.

WELL, LET'S START ON THE LEFT.

THERE WAS A SMALL LITTLE CLOSET ADDED TO THE OUT BUILDING.

THERE WAS A, UH, THEN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PAGE, UH, AN EXTENSION TO THE SCREENED IN PORCH.

UH, THERE WAS AN EXTENSION TO THE ROOF THAT, UH, SHELTERS A PORTION OF THE PATIO AT GROUND LEVEL AND CONSTRUCTION OF AN OUTDOOR KITCHEN ENCOUNTER.

AND THEN ALSO THE CONSTRUCTION OF A PERLA.

UH, AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO A CONSIDERABLE, OH, AND A GATE,

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UH, THE GATE AT THE ENTRANCE AT THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY, THE ENTRANCE TO THE BACKYARD.

UM, AND THERE WAS ALSO CONSIDERABLE, UH, SO THESE ARE ALL THOSE DRAWINGS FOR THAT AND CONSIDERABLE LANDSCAPING.

THAT'S WHERE I WAS HEADED.

UM, YOU CAN SEE HERE BRIEFLY.

UH, AND THEN NOW, UM, AND THAT WAS, UH, WHAT WE JUST PASSED WAS A WHOLE PLANTING PLAN.

AND THE PLANTING LIST.

UH, THIS WAS THE, UH, BUILDING INSPECTOR'S REPORT AND THEN OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.

UH, AND FINALLY, UH, THEY DID RECEIVE THE COA, WHICH IS SHOWN HERE AT THE BOTTOM.

AND THERE WERE NO CONDITIONS.

SO ALL OF THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED.

SO THAT WAS ALL APPROVED.

CAN I JUST ASK, I NEGLECTED TO ASK, ARE THERE ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST WITH THIS PROJECT? NO, THAT'S OUR COMMISSIONERS.

NO.

UM, AND I JUST NOTICED, JUST, OKAY.

SO NOW, UH, THEY'VE PROVIDED, UH, EVEN A, A NEW APPLICATION AS A MODIFICATION.

AND I'M GONNA MAKE THIS BIGGER BECAUSE IT IS TOO HARD TO READ FOR THE RECORDING OR THE PUBLIC, UM, AND MAYBE EVEN THE REST OF US.

SO, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THE WAY THIS PROGRAM WORKS.

UM, ALRIGHT.

SO NOW WE HAVE, UM, UH, IN THIS CASE NOW THE DESCRIPTION IS TO INSTALL AN INGROUND FIBERGLASS POOL AND INSTALL AN ABOVE GROUND FIBERGLASS HOT TUB.

AND, UH, THERE'S SOME OTHER REVISIONS TO THE PREVIOUS, UH, PLAN SUCH AS LANDSCAPING AND PAVING.

SO THEY'VE PROVIDED THE DRAWINGS FOR THAT.

AND AGAIN, MR. VAUGHN HAS SIGNED FOR THAT.

HE'S PROVIDED THE APPROPRIATE, UM, GUIDELINES RELATED TO THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION.

AND NOW I HAVE TO GO BACK.

LET'S DO THAT.

UM, YEAH, WE CAN PROBABLY DO THIS.

SO, UM, THE GATE DOES NOT CHANGE.

THE, THE PORCH EXTENSION DOES NOT CHANGE.

THE OVERHANG DOES NOT CHANGE.

UH, LOOKS LIKE THE KITCHEN WENT AWAY.

NO, NEVER THE GATE.

OH, OKAY.

SO, UH, BUT THE PERGO IS STILL THERE.

THE LITTLE CLOSET'S STILL THERE.

AND NOW YOU SEE THERE'S A POOL, UM, SHOWN HERE.

UM, AND THE ONLY DIFFERENCE, THERE WAS A, I BELIEVE A CREPE MYRTLE TO BE PLANTED THERE.

BUT ISN'T ONE, THERE ISN'T ONE THERE NOW.

SO, UH, AND THEN THE HOT TUB, YES, IT GOT, IT'S NOW MOVED.

THE, THE ONE THAT WAS TO BE PLANTED THERE HAS BEEN MOVED BESIDE THE HOT TUB OVER HERE.

UH, AND THIS IS THE HOT TUB AT THIS LOCATION.

UM, SO LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE.

SO THEY PROVIDED SOME RENDERINGS TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BETTER IDEA.

UM, AND SEE THE POOL HERE IN THE HOT TUB ON THE UPPER RIGHT, THE PERGOLA.

UH, AND, UM, I GET, DOES THAT PAVING REALLY REPRESENT YOUR NEW PAVING DOWN HERE WITH THE LITTLE SHRUBS AND THE KINDA STEP STONES OF PAVING? DO YOU SEE THEM THERE? YEAH.

THE, ARE YOU PROPOSING TO CHANGE THE, UH, THE PAVING BETWEEN THE POOL AND THE HOUSE THAT WAY? OR WAS THAT JUST THE RENDER GOING, THE MUCK RUNNING THE UCK? THAT IS A GOOD WAY.

CAUSE I DID NOT SEE IT ON THE PLANS.

SO YOU CAN IGNORE THAT CUZ THERE ARE OTHER PARTS OF THE RENDERING THAT'LL BE IGNORED TOO.

BUT, UH, UH, SO, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THE WAY THE HOUSE LOOKS, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS PROPOSAL.

UH, AND I THINK ON THE UPPER RIGHT THERE'S AN ILLUSTRATION AS WELL.

SO THAT SHOWS YOU THE POOL AND THIS SHOWS YOU THE HOT TUB.

UH, IT HAS SOME, SOME STEPS THAT GO UP TO IT.

UM, AND, AND THE ONLY LANDSCAPING DIFFERENCE IS THE MOVEMENT OF THAT TREE, IT SOUNDS LIKE.

WELL, A LOT OF OTHER SHRUBS ARE, YEAH.

A LOT OF OTHER SHRUBS ARE GONE.

FOR THE MOST PART, YES, THAT'S THE MOST SIGNIFICANT LANDSCAPE CHANGE.

UM, BUT

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SO THEN WE HAVE A NEW, UH, ZONING AND INSPECTIONS, UH, FORM.

UH, IT DOES MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF LAND USE ORDINANCE.

AND THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR SAYS THAT, UH, IT WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT, ENSURE ALL POOL BARRIER REQUIREMENTS ARE MET.

I MEAN, FENCING AROUND IT, POOL BARRIER.

DOES THAT MEAN LIKE FENCE, LIKE AROUND THE PROPERTY? I THINK THAT'S WHAT THAT MEANS.

AND THEN WE'RE READY WITH OUR, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS.

ARE THERE ANY PROPONENTS OF THAT PROJECT HERE TO SPEAK? OPPONENTS? OH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT LUCIAN? NO.

ANYBODY ELSE? NO.

GO AHEAD WITH YOUR FINDINGS.

OH.

UH, SO THIS IS THE, WHERE, THESE ARE THE FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR TWO 12, SORRY, NEW LAPTOP.

TWO 12 CHAIN STREET, UH, FOR DOCTOR AND MS. UH, SCOTT MCCLELLAN.

UH, THIS IS THE C MORE RENTAL HOUSE, AND IT IS CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY FROM 2003.

IT WAS BUILT CIRCA 1890 TO 95.

IT'S TWO STORIES.

L PLAN, TALL BAY WINDOW IN THE LEFT FRONT FACADE WRAP AROUND PORCH IMPEDIMENT ROOF GABLES.

UH, THE SAND BACK DESCRIPTION FOR 8 19 88, UH, PORTION THAT MAY BE OF ANY RELEVANCE IS THE HOUSE IS DISTINGUISHED BY ITS FOUR PETI GABLES.

UM, SO FOR TWO 12 CHAIN STREET TO AT A POOL IN HOT TUB IN THE TERTIARY ABC AS AN AMENDMENT TO THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED COA, STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES ARE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR LANDSCAPING, 2.4, 0.3, AND FIVE FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, 2.6 0.1 IF YOU THINK IT'S EVEN AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.

UH, OTHERWISE YOU CAN ELIMINATE THAT.

AND DESIGN PRINCIPLES ARE 3.1.

POINT ONE.

STATEMENTS ARE REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION.

AND STAFF'S JUDGMENT ARE ONE, THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE TIGHT LEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

TWO, THE PROPOSAL IS THE CONSTRUCTION OF A POOL AND A HOT TUB.

THREE, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES.

FOUR, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.

AND FIVE, THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.

SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COMMISSION APPROVE THIS APPLICATION TO ADD A POOL AND HOT TUB AND TERTIARY ABC AS AN AMENDMENT TO THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED COA.

COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? NOT EVEN YOU.

NOT EVEN ME.

NO, I, I, I BELIEVE IT IS APPROPRIATE TO, UM, UH, COMPARE THIS APPLICATION OR THE, THESE, UM, STRUCTURES IN THE BACKYARD TO ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.

AND THEY'RE IN THE TERTIARY AREA, VISUAL CONCERN.

AND, UH, UH, AND ESSENTIALLY THEY'RE REPLACING SOME PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY.

AND WE, IT'S ON THE DRAMA , NEVERTHELESS, I'M NOT GOING TAKE YOU BACK THERE.

LUCIAN .

IT, IT'S IN THE TERTIARY ABC AND THERE, AND THERE ARE OTHER POOLS AND, AND THERE ARE OTHER POOLS IN THE DOWNTOWN.

SO, OKAY.

OTHER.

SORRY TO BRING THAT UP, .

COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY, AND THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.

ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNED? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THIS AMENDMENT TO AN APPROVED COA.

I MOVE THAT WE FIND THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR TWO 12 CHANGE STREET TO BE NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH NEW BERNS CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTIONS 15 4 11 15,429.

AND NEW BERNS HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES, UH, BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS, FACT, UH, LANDSCAPING 2.4 0.3 2.4 0.5, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, 2.6 0.1, UH, DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, 0.1, UM, STATEMENT OR REASON OR FINDINGS OF FACT, UH, THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

UH, THE PROPOSAL IS THE CONSTRUCTION OF A POOL IN A HOT TUB.

THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES.

UH, ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THE PROJECT AND

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IS THERE A SECOND FOR THE MOTION? SECOND TONY SECOND'S.

MOTION.

ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION STATE? I, I POSED HEARING NONE.

DO WE HAVE TO REISSUE A COA OR WE DO.

IS THERE SOMETHING? NOTHING TO AN ISSUE.

[4.D. 211 Johnson St. – Amendment to the previously approved CoA to change the roofline, porch layout, windows, and details]

SO HERE'S THE APPLICATION FOR TWO 11 JOHNSON STREET.

UM, AND IT IS FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE MR. MS. DOUGLAS TOWNSEND.

AND OUR REPRESENTATIVE, AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE, UH, IS INDICATED BY THE PROVIDED DOCUMENTATION, UH, IS MR. JONATHAN WILKINS.

SO I DO NOT KNOW WHY THIS IS DOING PAGES UP AND DOWN AT THE MOMENT.

SO THEY'VE PROVIDED EXTENSIVE, UH, DESCRIPTION.

WAIT, UH, I BELIEVE THIS IS THE ONE FROM THE ORIGINAL.

AGAIN, I'M REVIEWING THE ORIGINAL.

UH, YEAH, THIS IS GONNA BE VERY TEDIOUS.

THEN YOU CAN ALSO SEE THERE'S A POOL THAT'S PROPO, OR THAT WAS ALSO APPROVED AT THE TIME, THIS LONG POOL HERE.

SO THIS IS THE ORIGINAL ONE THAT WAS, UH, IT, UM, FROM THE FIRST TIME AROUND.

UM, AND IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE, WE HAVE A PROJECT THAT ENTAILED, UM, GONNA SHOW FIRST, UH, QUITE A FEW THINGS.

SO FIRST, AT THE VERY TOP HERE, WE HAVE THE FRONT THREE ROOMS ARE THE ORIGINAL, UM, STRUCTURE.

UH, THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC STRUCTURE.

AND THEN ON THE BACK HAVE BEEN SOME ADDITIONS IN THE PAST, UM, INCLUDING, UH, HOW MUCH WAS INCLUDING, UH, TWO, YOU CAN SEE A DASH LINE, I BELIEVE, UH, RIGHT AROUND THE MIDDLE OR AT THE KITCHEN COUNTER HERE.

SO I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE ADDITION.

AND THEN IT, UH, CAME AROUND TO AN AN L SHAPE, UH, ADDITION.

SO, UH, THE ORIGINAL COA ALLOWED FOR EXTENDING THIS SCREEN PORCH IN THE UPPER RIGHT OR IN THE UPPER MIDDLE OF THE SCREEN AT THE MOMENT, UH, OUT, UH, TO WHERE YOU SEE THE SHRUBS, UH, AND ADDING A, UH, A FIREPLACE, UM, AND CHIMNEY.

UH, AND THEN ADDING A PAIR, NEW PAIR OF DOORS HERE.

UH, THEN THE, UH, THE REST OF THE L UH, EDITION WAS EXTENDED ALL THE WAY DOWN TO AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE, UH, THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC, UM, KITCHEN.

IT WAS A SEPARATE, UM, KITCHEN, UM, BUILDING.

AND NOW THE EX, UM, THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PLAN EXTENDED THE HOUSE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO CONNECT TO THAT KITCHEN, UH, THEREBY CREATING A LARGER KITCHEN AREA, UM, HERE IN THE, ON THE SCREEN WITH THE COUNTER AND SUCH.

THAT ENTIRE WALL THEN WAS, UH, REVISED TO INCLUDE, UM, FOR TRIFOLD ONE, TWO TRIFOLD DOORS, UM, THAT WOULD OPEN, UH, TO THE PATIO.

AND THE PATIO WAS A SERIES OF STEPS IMMEDIATELY OUTSIDE THOSE DOORS.

UH, AND YOU CAN SEE PAIRS OF COLUMNS HERE, THOSE WILL BECOME IMPORTANT IN A MINUTE.

UH, THEN THE KITCHEN WAS TO BE REMODELED, AND THERE WAS AN AMENDMENT IN ORDER TO ALLOW THAT KITCHEN TO BE ELEVATED, UH, BECAUSE OF, I THINK, FLOOD PLAIN ISSUES.

UH, THEN AN ADDITIONAL ADDITION WAS ADDED, THEN EXTENDING THE HOUSE PUMP, THE WHOLE SERIES OF ROOMS UP THE HOUSE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO, AND ABUTTING UP AGAINST, BUT NOT PASSING THROUGH TO THE GARAGE, UH, AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN HERE.

SO, UH, CREATING, UH, A BATH AND WARDROBE WARDROBE AREA THERE.

UH, AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, SO ALL OF THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION ALSO HAD SOME NEW LANDSCAPING.

UH, AND IT AS WELL AS, UH, THE ENTIRE PAVEMENT AREA WAS NEW.

AND

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UH, THE FENCE WAS APPROVED AT THE TIME, ALL THE LANDSCAPING, AND I THINK WE MAY EVEN HAVE THAT AT THE TIME.

SO, UM, THIS GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE ELEVATIONS.

AND TO NOTE HERE IN PARTICULAR IS THE, UH, THE ROOF OVER THAT ADDITION BETWEEN THE, UH, I THINK IT'S 1950S EXTENSION, LET'S JUST CALL IT, UH, OUT TO THE KITCHEN, UH, BUILDING.

IT WAS RELATIVELY FLAT ROOF, UH, APPROVED THAT WAY.

AND THE EXTENSION OF THE SCREENED IN PORCH.

ALSO A RE A LOW SLOPE ROOF OVER HERE ON THE, UH, NEXT TO THE NEW CHIMNEY.

UH, LET'S SEE.

AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE HERE THE, UH, THE SERIES OF STEPS THAT COME DOWN FROM ALL THOSE DOORS, UH, DOWN TO THE GROUND LEVEL.

LET'S SEE.

NEXT.

UM, THIS IS A SECTION WHICH WILL, UH, YOU'LL SEE HERE, IT SHOWS THAT RELATIVELY FLAT ROOF, A ACROSS THE NEW KITCHEN EXTENSION, MAYBE WE'LL CALL IT THAT, AND THE DOORWAY, I GUESS, OUT ONTO THE ROOF.

AND THEN, UH, ON THE FLIP SIDE, UH, OF ALL THAT, SO YOU CAN SEE THE ORIGINAL, WELL, THE 1950S EXTENSION HERE ON THE LEFT, THE, UH, PROPOSED EDITION HERE WITH, UH, TWO WINDOWS AND A DOORWAY, UH, OUT TO THIS, UH, SIDE OF THE HOUSE, THE ORIGINAL KITCHEN, UH, AND THEN THE NEW EXTENSION, UH, TO THE RIGHT, OVER TO, UH, THE, AND ABUTTING OF THE GARAGE.

IS THAT TOTALLY CLEAR TO EVERYBODY? SO HERE ARE SOME RENDERINGS THAT THEY PROVIDED AT THE TIME.

SO YOU CAN SEE THAT A LITTLE, MAYBE IMAGINE IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

AND, UH, ANOTHER INTERESTING FEATURE WAS THIS CURVE HERE, UH, TO MAKE THE TRANSITION FROM THE, UH, FRONT OF THE, UM, I GUESS PATIO COVER, UH, OVER TO THE EXISTING HISTORIC KITCHEN.

AND HERE'S ANOTHER VIEW.

ALL RIGHT? AND THEN, UH, WHAT, UH, SO THOSE THAT WERE JUST, THERE WERE THE ONES BEFORE THE KITCHEN WAS THE, THESE TWO ARE THE SAME THINGS.

BUT BEFORE THE KITCHEN WAS APPROVED TO BE ELEVATED.

SO, AND THEN WE HAD ALL OF THOSE FORMS AT THE TIME AND OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THE, THIS WAS THE AMENDED, THE MOST RECENT COA HAD WITH THE AMENDMENT FOR THE, UH, ELEVATED KITCHEN.

SO NOW I'M GONNA ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT ON THIS BECAUSE THERE IS A CONDITION, UH, ON THIS ONE, THAT A LANDSCAPING PLAN WILL BE SUBMITTED AND APPROVED AT THE POINT IN TIME WHEN AS APPROPRIATE, WHICH IS PRIOR TO THE REMOVAL OF EXISTING LANDSCAPING AND TREES.

THE LANDSCAPING PLAN IS TO INCLUDE WHICH TREES ARE PROPOSED TO REPLACE THE TREES THAT ARE PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED.

UM, THEY DID SUBSEQUENTLY DO THAT.

SO THAT, UH, CONDITION HAS BEEN SATISFIED.

THAT WAS A WHOLE SEPARATE COA FOR THAT.

UM, OKAY, SO NOW WE'RE TO TODAY, FINALLY.

UH, SO THE NEW, UH, PLAN IS, UH, SIMILAR TO THE OTHER ONE.

SO IT STILL HAS, UM, THE BASIC, UH, SHAPE AND SIZE OF ALL THE ROOMS ARE ALL THE SAME, UH, UH, RELATIVE TO THE EXTERIOR.

UH, SO WE HAVE THAT SCREENED IN FORAGE.

WE HAVE THE EXTENDED KITCHEN, UH, ATTACHING TO THE, UM, HISTORIC KITCHEN.

UH, IN THIS CASE, THE TRIFOLD DOORS ARE STILL THERE TOO, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOW FOUR ON THIS, OR FIVE ON THIS 1, 1, 2, 5 ON THIS SIDE, AND THREE ON THIS SIDE, I GUESS.

UH, AND THE STAIRWAY IS NOW, UH, BECOME A DECK.

SO, UM, WITH THE STAIRS UP TOP HERE, LEADING DOWN TO SOME PAVING, AND THEN STAIRS DOWN HERE LEADING TO A SMALL LANDING AT THE BOTTOM.

AND I'M GUESSING THE REST IS LAWN OR JUST YES.

OR, OR THE SAME PAVING AS BEFORE.

GRASS? YES.

AND SO THEN, UH, AS FAR AS, UH, FLOOR PLAN GOES, THE REST OF THE, UH, SCHEME IS STILL THE SAME WITH, THERE'S NOW A WING WALL HERE THAT WASN'T IN BEFORE, RIGHT? I DON'T THINK SO.

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SO, UH, IT MUST HAVE BEEN A DIMENSIONAL ADJUSTMENT THERE.

SO, UM, MORE DRAWINGS.

SO THIS IS NOW THE ROOFING PLAN.

UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO NOT DO THAT CURVED, UH, FORM HERE AT THE CORNER OF THE OVERHANG.

AND THE, UH, ROOF SLOPE WILL BE THE SAME FOR THE LOWER PORTION OVER THE PORCH WILL BE, UM, 3.24 IN 12.

YEAH, 3.24 IN 12, WHICH IS THE SAME AS THE ONE THAT'S OVER THE, UH, SCREEN PORCH EXTENSION.

UH, WHEREAS THE FLAT ROOF AREA IS NOW PROPOSED TO BE 10.5 IN 12.

UH, AND SO WE'LL SHOW, SEE THAT HERE IN A SECOND.

UM, AND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE KITCHEN, OF THE HISTORIC KITCHEN, WHICH IS HERE ON THE TOP OF THE SCREEN, UH, THE GARAGE AT THE BOTTOM, UH, THE ROOF SLOPE IS 9.5 AND 12.

SO HERE WE HAVE THE FRAMING PLAN.

THIS, UH, WE CAN COME BACK TO THAT IF WE NEED IT.

AND THEN THE ELEVATIONS, SO THIS ELEVATION WAS WIDER THAN THE PAGE, SO THEY CUT IT IN HALF.

SO AT FIRST, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE, UM, THE ROOFING, THE ROOF SHAPE OR FORM OVER THE, UH, SCREENED IN PORCH EXTENSION, UH, SEEMS TO BE THE SAME AS IT WAS BEFORE.

UH, AND SO NOW THE NEW, UH, CHANGE IS TO ACTUALLY HAVE THE ROOFING BE THE SAME SLOPE AS THAT ALSO ON THE ROOF OVER THE NEW DECK.

THE FLAT ROOF WAS NOT TALL ENOUGH TO DO THAT.

AND THAT'S WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IN ELEVATION.

OH, THAT WORKS.

SO THE FLAT ROOF AREA WOULD'VE BEEN THIS AREA HERE ABOVE THE FOLDING DOORS.

IT NOW HAS A GABLE, UH, ROOF FORM.

AND SO THE RIDGE IS NOW MUCH HIGHER THAN IT WAS BEFORE.

UH, THIS, UH, THE ROOF FORM FOR THE KITCHEN, UH, FOR THE HISTORIC KITCHEN STAYS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME.

UH, AND THEN, UH, FOR THE EXTENSION FROM THE HISTORIC KITCHEN TO THE GARAGE, IT ALSO HAS THE GABLE ROOF FORM INSTEAD OF A FLAT ROOF.

AND THEN THERE'S A, UM, AN ADDITIONAL, UH, UH, A, A LESS WIDE GABLE ROOF, UH, ATTACHING THAT EXTENSION TO THE ROOF OF THE GARAGE.

IS THAT ALL CLEAR? IS MUD, UH, THE CHANGES IS A DECK VERSUS STAIRS AND ROOF CONFIGURATION.

IS THAT IT? YES.

AND ONE DOOR, AND THERE'S A I'LL SHOW, UM, THERE'S ALSO ON THE BACK SIDE A CHANGE.

SO ON THE BACK SIDE, UM, THE DOORWAY, UH, IS A SINGLE DOOR.

AND THE, UM, THE WINDOW, THE TWO WINDOWS THAT WERE HERE HAVE NOW BECOME, UM, NOT THIS, BUT WHAT HAS BEEN HANDED OUT AT YOUR DESK.

UM, SO INSTEAD OF THESE FOUR HORIZONTAL WINDOWS, UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING TWO SQUARE WINDOWS WITH THE CIRCULAR, UH, UH, MOANS IN THERE, ORS IN THERE, THERE, 3 0 3, SORRY.

I GUESS I HAD THEM ALL OUT.

AND, UM, LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE? UM, THAT'S IT.

SO, UH, WE CAN SEE IN SECTION HERE, UH, SOME OF THE EXPLANATION.

UM, SO THEY ACTUALLY NEEDED A PLACE TO PUT THE H V A C UNIT, AND

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AND SO THE NEXT BEST SOLUTION WAS TO MAKE A GABLE, UH, ROOF THAT, UH, WAS TALL ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY LOOK APPROPRIATE.

AND SO THERE'S THAT.

AND THEN YOU CAN SEE, AND THEN THEY CHANGED THE STEPS TO THIS DECK.

YOU SEE THAT IN SECTION THERE.

AND, UM, THEN THIS IS THE SECTION THROUGH THE, THE BATHROOM.

YOU CAN SEE THE STAIRWAY FOR THE BACK DOOR, AS IT WERE, UM, ON THE LEFT.

SO THIS BATH IS THE AREA THAT CONNECTS BETWEEN THE HISTORIC, UH, KITCHEN, WHICH YOU SEE THE, UH, CHIMNEY HERE ON THE RIGHT.

UM, AND THEN YOU'RE LOOKING TOWARDS THAT KITCHEN, BUT YOU'RE CUTTING THROUGH THE BUILDING THROUGH THE BATH.

AND BEHIND YOU IS THE GARAGE.

AND THAT TOO NEEDED H V A C UNIT, AND THAT'S WHY THAT'S ALSO A TALLER ROOF.

AND SO THESE ARE JUST DETAILS ON THIS PAGE AND MORE DETAILS ON THAT PAGE, DETAILS THROUGH THE DECK AND A, UM, DOOR AND WINDOW SCHEDULE.

SO MY ONE QUESTION, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT IS, UH, THE WINDOWS ARE INDICATED TO BE WOOD SLASH FIBERGLASS.

UM, IS THE FIBERGLASS ONLY ON THE INSIDE? WE WERE PROPOSING TO USE MORE WINDOWS.

IS THE FIBERGLASS ONLY ON THE INSIDE? IT'S ON THE OUTSIDE.

WRONG ANSWER, , WHICH, BUT YOU, SO THAT'LL BE ONE CHANGE THAT'S, THAT'S NEEDED TO BE CHANGED UP HERE.

YEAH, THAT COULD BE A, A CONDITION.

WE READY FOR QUESTIONS? I THINK SO.

UH, WE HAVE THE, WE, WELL, WE HAVE THE, UH, ZONING AND INSPECTIONS.

YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, ZONING ADMINISTRATOR SAYS IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF LAND USE ORDINANCE AND THE CHIEF BUILDING AND SPECTRE SAYS, OF COURSE, WILL, UH, BUILDING REQUIRE BUILDING PERMIT, PERMIT IS ALREADY ISSUED.

PLEASE PROVIDE UPDATED PLANS.

UH, AND THEN, UH, THEN I AM READY WHENEVER YOU ARE.

I, I, ONCE AGAIN, ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST ON THIS ONE? NO, NO, SIR.

VERY NONE.

IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD? NO.

QUESTIONS, OR DO YOU WANT TO GIVE US YOUR FINDINGS FIRST? OKAY.

SO FOR TWO 11 JOHNSON STREET, UM, THAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN.

TWO-STORY PORCH SHELTERS.

THIS IS FOR, UM, MR. AND MS. DOUGLAS TOWNSEND, UH, AT TWO 11 JOHNSON STREET.

UH, THE PROJECT IS TO INCLUDE AMENDING THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED COA TO CHANGE THE ROOF LINE PORCH LAYOUT WINDOWS AND DETAILS IN THE TERTIARY ABC, UH, NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY, UH, INFORMATION, UH, LISTED AS THE MITCHELL STEVEN HOUSE BUILT CIRCA 1800 TO 1805, AND THEN REMODELED 1830 TO 1840.

UM, AND OBVIOUSLY THEN LATER ADDITIONS AS WELL.

UH, IT IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.

UH, DESCRIPTION IS TWO STORIES, FOUR BAYS WIDE, EXTERIOR AND CHIMNEYS AND GABLE END ROOF AND ATTIC DORMERS.

THE SAND BED DESCRIPTION, UH, RELEVANT TO THE PRO PROJECT FROM 1988.

THE ENTIRE HOUSE IS COVERED WITH BEADED WEATHER BOARDING.

THE LARGE TWO-STORY REAR L WAS ADDED DURING THE 20TH CENTURY, CONNECTING THE HOUSE TO ITS ORIGINAL, BUT MUCH ALTERED KITCHEN, UH, AND EARLY 19TH CENTURY.

THE REAR ELEVATION STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES AS APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, 0.1, TWO, AND FOUR FOR MODIFICATIONS, 3.2,

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0.1, TWO, AND THREE FOR ADDITIONS, 3.3 0.2, AND THREE FOR WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION, 4.2 0.1 AND FOUR FOR WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS.

4.3 0.1, TWO AND THREE FOR ROOFS, 4.5, 0.1, AND FOUR FOR DECKS AND PATIOS.

4.6 0.1 AND FOUR GUIDELINES FOR MASONRY, 5.1, 0.1, AND TWO WOOD, 5.2 0.1, AND TWO FOR METALS.

5.3 0.1 FOR PAINT, 5.4, 0.1, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR BASED ON THE INF UH, STATEMENTS.

REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION AND STAFF'S JUDGMENT ARE ONE, THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE AND THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

TWO, THE PROJECT IS A MODIFICATION AND ADDITION WITHIN THE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY ABCS.

THREE OF THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES.

FOUR.

THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.

AND FIVE, THE PROJECT DOES NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.

SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COMMISSION TO APPROVE THIS APPLICATION TO AMEND THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED COA TO CHOOSE TO CHANGE THE ROOFLINE PORCH LAYOUT WINDOWS AND DETAILS IN THE TERTIARY ABC WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.

UH, THAT ALL EXTERIOR MATERIALS ARE THOSE THAT WERE AVAILABLE AT THE TIME THE PRIMARY BUILDING WAS ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE DECKING STEPS AND EXTERIOR SURFACES OF THE WINDOWS.

THAT ALL WINDOWS ARE EITHER VERTICAL OR SQUARE, HOWEVER, THEY JUST CHANGE THAT.

SO STRIKE THAT ONE.

UH, THAT THE ROOFING SHEET SCHEDULE AND DETAILS ON DRAW DRAWING SHEET, A 1.2 BE REVISED TO CLEARLY INDICATE THAT THE PAN WIDTH MAY NOT BE GREATER THAN 24 INCHES.

UH, THAT'S JUST A TINY LITTLE DETAIL THAT WAS ON THERE.

AND FOURTHLY, OR I GUESS NOW THIRDLY, THAT THE ROOFING BE NOTED ON THE PLANS TO BE PERFECTLY FLAT WITH NO CORRUGATION, INCLUDING NO STRIATIONS OR RIBS.

THAT'S THE END OF OUR REPORT.

QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I THINK MY ONLY QUESTION, JONATHAN, CAN YOU RUN DOWN THE MATERIALS THAT ARE DIFFERENT FROM THE MATERIALS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED? AND I'M HOPING THAT'S AN EASY, THERE'S REALLY NO, AND WE'VE ALREADY NOTED THE DISCREPANCY WITH THE WINDOW MATERIALS.

AND, AND SO I'M PRESUMING WOOD IS OKAY, WELL, WINDOWS, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THAT BIG DOOR AND HOW WE'RE GONNA, THAT WELL, COULD BE INTERESTING.

BETTER GET SOME WHEELS.

WE MAY HAVE TO.

UM, WELL, BUT THE WHEELS WOULDN'T BE IN CONFLICT WITH THE MATERIALS.

UH, CORRECT.

RIGHT.

IT'S NOT, NOT THE WHEELS THE WEIGHT OF THE WOOD IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

WELL, I JUST, OH, SO I DID NOTE THOUGH THAT THE DECKING MATERIAL, I WASN'T QUITE SURE WHAT THAT WAS.

UM, NOTATED ON THERE.

IT SAYS SOMEWHERE ON THERE, SEP, IT'S WHAT? SEPI THERE? YEAH.

I WHAT IS THAT? PLYWOOD, MAHO.

OH, MAHOGANY.

OH, OH, OKAY.

AS WELL AS THE RAILINGS.

THERE ARE RAILINGS.

OH, SO IT IT'S PRETTY MUCH JUST TWO STEPS DOWN.

IT'S HIS LESS THAN 30 CRIME, I BELIEVE.

BUT BEYOND, BEYOND THAT, IT JUST APPEARS TO BE A REFINEMENT ADMINISTRATION FOR THE MOST PART.

CORRECT.

UM, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU'LL PROBABLY BE BETTER SERVED WITH THOSE PITCHED ROOFS ANYWAY.

SO THIS, UH, ON THE SCREEN IT SHOWS FIVE QUARTER SAP, ELITE, SAP, APPEALING.

IT WOULD VERY SIMILAR TO MAHA.

IS THERE A COMPOSITION OR A, OR WOOD WOULD IT'S WOOD.

IT'S WOOD.

COOL.

OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? OH, WAIT, SO THEN WITH REGARD TO THAT, UM, IS THAT, UM, MORE WEATHER RESISTANT THAN, UH, PINE OR PRESSURE TREATED WOOD? IT'S APPEALING.

SO, UH, BECAUSE WE TYPICALLY REQUIRE THAT, UH, ALL WOOD BE EITHER STAINED OR PAINTED, UM, THAT MAY BE A CONDITION WHERE IT MAY NOT BE NECESSARY.

UNLESS YOU'RE PLANNING ON CLEAR COAT, YOU GO OUT CLEAR, A CLEAR COAT.

RIGHT.

SO CUZ NORMALLY HAS TO BE AN OPAQUE STAIN OR PAINT

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FOR WOOD.

BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE WOULD ALLOW IF, IF THE HPC AGREES THAT, UM, THEY CAN USE A CLEAR, UM, A CLEAR CODE.

I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

OTHER QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE READY FOR A MOTION.

I'VE GOT IT WRITTEN DOWN.

LET'S SEE.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE TO FIND THE AMENDMENT FOR TWO 11 JOHNSON STREET TO BE NOT IN CONGRESS WITH NEW BERNS, CODE OF ORDINANCES.

SECTION 15 4 11 TO 15,429.

AND NEW BERN'S HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS, IN FACT, FROM THE GUIDELINES, DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, 0.1, TWO AND FOUR, MODIFICATIONS, 3.2, 0.1, TWO AND THREE ADDITIONS, 3.3 0.2 AND THREE WALLS, TRIM AND OR ORNAMENTATION, 4.2 0.1 AND FOUR WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS, 4.3 0.1, TWO AND THREE.

ROOFS, 4.5, 0.1, AND FOUR.

DEXON PATIOS, 4.6 0.1 AND FOUR MASONRY, 5.1, 0.1, AND TWO WOOD, 5.2 0.1, AND TWO METALS, 5.3 0.1, PAINT, 5.4, 0.1, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR FINDINGS OF, OH, YOU MIGHT REMOVE FOUR, FIVE, 0.4, 0.3, AND FOUR.

SO IT'S 5.4 0.1, AND TWO.

, UH, FINDINGS OF FACT, THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

THE PROJECT IS A MODIFICATION AND ADDITION WITHIN THE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY ABCS.

THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES.

AND THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE VIEW REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY, FINDING THE FI THE PROJECT IS NOT IN, IN CONGRESS WITH THE GUIDELINES, THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.

NUMBER ONE, THAT ALL EXTERIOR MATERIALS ARE THOSE THAT WERE AVAILABLE AT THE TIME THE PRIMARY BUILDING WAS ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED, INCLUDING NOT, BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE DECKING STEPS AND THE EXTERIOR SURFACES OF THE WINDOWS.

NUMBER TWO, THAT ALL WINDOWS, EXCUSE ME, DROP THAT, THAT THE, UH, ROOFING SHEET SCHEDULE AND DETAILS ON DRAWING SHEET.

A 1.2 BE REVISED TO CLEARLY INDICATE THAT THE PLAN PAN WIDTH MAY NOT BE GREATER THAN 24 INCHES.

AND LAST, THAT THE ROOFING BE NOTED ON THE PLANS TO BE PERFECTLY FLAT WITH NO CORRUGATION, INCLUDING THOSE STRIATIONS OR RIBS.

AND THAT ALL WINDOWS SHALL BE WOOD FACING THE EXTERIOR, AND THAT DECKING MAY HAVE A CLEAR COAT.

UM, THE, UH, THE FIRST BULLET ITEM ALREADY SAYS THAT THE WINDOWS, EXTERIOR SURFACES WINDOWS.

UH, JUST WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR.

SINCE IT WAS A PART OF, RIGHT.

THAT'S FINE.

JIM, YOU FINISHED? YEP.

DISTRIBUTE THE, THE, UH, 23 CALENDAR? UH, DID I, UH, YOU'RE WANTING US TO COMMENT ON IT.

IS THERE A SECOND? SO I MOVED, MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE PROVE WITH THE CONDITIONS NOTED ALL FAVOR STATE.

I I OPPOSED HEARING NONE.

MOTION CARRIES.

AND WE DON'T NEED TO ISSUE ANYTHING, RIGHT? CORRECT.

YOU HAVE NO PUBLIC TO COMMENT.

UH, DID YOU

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I KNOW I, I CREATED IT, BUT WE, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT.

OOPS.

I HAVE IT ON MY COMPUTER HERE.

I THINK I WAS INTENDING TO MOVE IT TO THE, UH, DROPBOX THIS MORNING, BUT DID NOT GET TO IT.

IS THERE A NEED TO APPROVE IT TONIGHT OR CAN YOU SHOOT IT OUT SO WE CAN LOOK AT IT AND LOOK AT IT NEXT, NEXT MEETING? UM, THE NEXT CHANCE YOU WOULD HAVE TO, UM, APPROVE IT IS THE SECOND MEETING IN NOVEMBER.

UM, I THINK IF I PRESENT IT AT THE MOMENT, IT WILL BE PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

COULD YOU JUST CLARIFY ANY DIFFERENCES FROM FIRST AND THIRD WEDNESDAY? THAT'S PROBABLY THE ISSUE.

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AND, AND, UH, DECEMBER IS, UH, NO MEETING.

SO LET'S SEE.

AND WE JUST VOTE ON IT TONIGHT.

YOU WANT TO VOTE ON IT TONIGHT? IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS.

I, I WOULD PREFER IT THEN I CAN START TO TELL PEOPLE WHEN THE MEETING IS IN JANUARY.

YEAH, I MOVE.

WE FIND THE CALENDAR PRESENTED BY THE H P C A TO BE APPROVED WITH NO MEETINGS IN DECEMBER.

SECOND MOVE.

AND SECOND THAT WE APPROVED THE MEETING AS DESCRIBED.

UM, ALL FAVOR STATE I AYE, POSED HERE.

NONE.

SO HERE IT IS RIGHT HERE.

SO OUR FIRST MEETING, JANUARY IS ON THE FOURTH AND WE HAVE, ALL OF 'EM ARE FIRST AND THIRD WEDNESDAYS.

OKAY, GREAT.

THERE ANYTHING OF SIGNIFICANCE IN YOUR REPORT THAT YOU NEED TO OH, UH, SO LET'S TELL US ABOUT, WHAT WAS THAT? LET'S LOOK AT THAT A SECOND.

SO, UM, THAT MAY GIVE YOU A CHANCE THEN IF YOU FIND, SAY, OH MY GOODNESS, UM, THAT WEDNESDAY HAPPENS TO BE CHRISTMAS.

I MEAN, NOT CHRISTMAS OR THANKSGIVING OR, BUT, OR THE DAY BEFORE THANKSGIVING.

AND SO WE'LL MOVE IT TO THE, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S A WEEK BEFORE THANKSGIVING.

SO , IS

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UP.

UM, OKAY.

SO ONLY THAT, UH, UM, I HAVE MANY, UH, PENDING ISSUING OF COAS.

UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, UM, WE WERE EXPECTING TO HAVE THE FEASIBILITY STUDY TEAM FOR THE HIP WORK GROUP SHOW UP.

UM, BUT THEY DIDN'T.

SO, UM, WE CAN SKIP THAT I SUPPOSE.

I MEAN, THEY ARE IN TOWN.

UH, THEY HAVE MET WITH, UH, OUR TWO HPC MEMBERS THAT ARE, UH, MEMBERS OF THAT, UH, THE HIP WORK GROUP.

, UH, AS WELL AS THE REST, MANY OF THE REST OF THE HIP WORK GROUP PEOPLE.

AND, UM, ALSO, WHO ELSE DID I MEET? MY, UM, OH, THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION CHAIRPERSON AND, UM, OH, WELL, AND WE ALSO TOOK A DRIVE THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD YESTERDAY WITH THEM, AND THEY ALSO SPOKE TO, UH, AT LEAST ONE RESIDENT SO FAR THAT I KNOW OF.

UM, AND NEWSOME AND BEN.

WHAT'S THAT? NEWSOM AND DAN.

OH, AND NEWSOME AND BEN.

SO, NEWSOME WILLIAMS AND BEN PARISH.

PARISH.

RIGHT.

UM, SINCE THEY IN THE PAST HAVE DONE SIMILAR PROJECTS, UH, CARRIED OUT SIMILAR PROJECTS, SO, OKAY.