Nov 09, 2022 Redevelopment Commission

VICE CHAIR.

UM, WE HAVE, UH, WE HAD TO DO AN A AMEND AGENDA CAUSE WE NEEDED TO ADD SOME, UH, MATERIALS, UH, TO THE AGENDA.

AND SO, UH, EVERYONE SHOULD, UH, SHOULD HAVE ONE.

BUT IF YOU DON'T THINK YOU DO IT, YOU WOULD LET US KNOW.

OR, UH, IF YOU NEED THE QUESTION ANSWERED ABOUT THE AMENDED, UH, AGENDA, WE HAVE IT UP HERE ON, ON THE BOARD.

I JUST, THAT HAD THE AMENDED AGENDA, NO QUESTION.

AND WAS OKAY WITH AMEND TO ADD.

HMM.

RESPECT OTHERS' OPINIONS.

NOW WE WILL HAVE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT.

PUBLIC COMMENT IS LIMITED TO FOUR.

DON'T, DON'T GO ANYWHERE.

EXCUSE ME.

LET US BACK UP.

OUR GUY IN PRINCIPAL, YOU AIN'T GONNA GET BY THAT VICE.

NICE.

ALL ASK, PRESENT OF THE FUTURE, EQUAL TIME.

DOESN'T TO BUILD CONSENSUS, SHARE ACCURATE INFORMATION AND PUBLIC PERCEPTION.

STAY FOCUSED.

BE ACTION ORIENTED.

I DIDN'T HEAR BELIEVE ON THAT SIDE.

BACK UP THERE.

SO THEY WAS HERE.

NOW GOING TO OUR, UH, PUBLIC, UH, COMMENT.

IT IS LIMITED TO FOUR A PERSONS.

DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS TONIGHT? OKAY.

SEE WE HAVE NONE.

YOU HAVE RECEIVED

[3. Approval of Minutes]

A COPY OF THE A AMEND.

DO WE HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS OR DELETIONS? CHAIR? I HAVE SEVERAL.

UM, I CAN ATEST PERSONALLY THAT I WAS NOT HERE AT THE MEETING, BUT I LISTED AS BEING PRESENT AT THAT MEETING.

AND IF I'M NOT CORRECT, THAT DAY I WAS IN MONACO.

I THINK YOU WERE.

CAUSE I WAS FORCED TO COME.

SO I THINK YOU WERE IN OCTOBER.

NO, NO WAY TO MONACO.

I CAN PROMISE YOU.

AND ALSO, UH, COMMISSIONER WALLACE IS LISTED AS PRESENT AND ABSENT.

BOTH.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS, THAT ME, I WAS IN DC OKAY, SO HE'S MULTITASKED AND COMMISSIONER WALKER IS NOT LISTED AS PRESENT, BUT YET HE, UH, SHE MADE SOME, SHE APPROVED THE MINUTES.

MADE MOTION APPROVED MINUTES FURTHER ON.

SO I ASKED YOU WAS THERE, OKAY.

WAS THERE THAT, THAT WERE THE ONLY CHANGES I HAVE FOR THAT.

IF YOU HAVE THAT COPY, WE WILL MAKE NOTE OF THAT.

IS THERE ANY OTHER, UH, CORRECTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS? OKAY.

YOU HAVE AN APPROVAL WITH MODULES OF CORRECTIONS AND WE WILL GET THOSE MADE AS, UH, AS PART OF THE RECORD, MAKE A MOTION.

WE APPROVE THE MINUTES.

THAT CORRECTED.

SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? I I IT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

PRESENTATION BY, UH, PETER FRY.

AGENDA, UH, ITEM NUMBER FOUR,

[4. Presentation by Peter Frey request to purchase 203 and 207 Jones Street]

REQUEST TO PURCHASE 2 0 3 AND 2 0 7, UH, THREE.

AND OUR, UM, PRESENTERS ARE PETER FRY AND GEORGE TO SIGN TO.

IF YOU COME TO THE,

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MY NAME IS GEORGE .

I'M, UH, AGENT ER WILLIAMS. I REPRESENT BE.

BUT, AND, UM, TODAY WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS HIS PROPOSAL FOR PRESENTATION FOR DEVELOPMENT TWO VACANT TWO EIGHT AND 2 0 7 ON JOAN STREET.

I DO HAVE PRESENTATION MATERIAL THAT I HELP ASSIST HIM WITH AND OUT.

APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, WE ARE AWARE OF A HIGH VACANCY IN THE AREA AND THE NUMBER OF RENTERS IN HERE IF THEY WANTS TO DO WHAT'S ALONG THE LINES WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AREA OF OWNING A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, WHAT HIS INTENTION IS TO BUILD A HOUSE THERE.

AND I'LL HAVE MR. COME UP AND EXPLAIN, UH, HIS INTENTIONS ON THAT.

THANK YOU, GEORGE.

THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR HAVING ME HERE TONIGHT.

MY NAME IS PETE FRY.

I, UM, HAD, I MOVED HERE IN 1999 AND I RENOVATED MY FIRST HOUSE ON NATIONAL AVENUE.

AND I SOLD IT AND BOUGHT A SHELL OF A STRUCTURE ON FORBES AVENUE AND RENOVATED IT AND HAVE BEEN LIVING IT, LIVING IN IT FOR, UH, SIX YEARS NOW.

I STARTED A LITTLE BUSINESS DOWNTOWN AND I MOVED IT INTO, UH, WHERE IT IS NOW ON WHERE, UH, QUEEN AND P*****K STREET COME TOGETHER.

AND I'M DOING A, I'M BUILDING A 2,500 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING THERE RIGHT NOW.

UM, I'VE, SO I'VE LIVED IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD FOR NOW, UM, ALMOST SEVEN YEARS.

AND, UH, THE BUSINESS IS GOING GREAT HERE.

IT'S MY FAVORITE PART OF TOWN AND I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, LIVE IN THIS AREA NOW.

AND, UM, WHEN, WHEN I, UH, LIVING ON FOR VALLEY, UM, WHEN I GO FOR A WALKS WITH MY DOG, I WALK DOWN TO, TO, UH, LEANDER PARK.

AND I'VE BEEN SEEING THIS, UH, CORNER LOT SINCE THE TIME THERE WAS A HOUSE ON IT.

I EVEN LOOKED AT THE HOUSE, BUT IT WAS A LITTLE, IT WAS A LOT OF WORK WITH THE HOUSE ON THERE.

AND, UH, I JUST, I JUST REALLY LOVE THIS AREA AND I LOVE ALL MY NEIGHBORS AND I'M HOPING TO BUILD A HOUSE ON THIS, ON THIS, UH, IN THIS, ON THIS LAND AND LIVE THERE.

THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, WHAT I INTEND TO DO.

UH, DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, COMMISSIONERS, THE HOUSE WORKING GROUP FROM VICE CHAIR AND OF WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS YOUR OWN PERSONAL RESIDENCE.

I LIKE TO BUILD, I BROUGHT A 1500 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, UH, A HOUSE, UM, TWO BEDROOM, UH, TWO OR THREE BATHROOM.

UM, A PLACE WHERE I, I JUST, I REALLY LOVE THAT CORNER LOT.

I LOVE BEING RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PARK AND RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM MY BUSINESS.

VERY IMPORTANT ROAD IN THE FUTURE AS WE, AS THE REDEVELOPMENT THAT IS PROPOSED AND PLANNED, UH, DOWN AT THE TRENT COURT AREA, UH, AS IT CREATE A MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOODS DOWN THERE.

THERE'S, THERE'S, UH, BREWERY 99.

THAT'S THE OLD HOUSE.

YEAH, THAT'S, YEAH.

GO UP JONES STREET UP HERE WHERE THAT CAMERA IS, WAS KIND OF WHERE THE, THE BREWERY IS.

I, I JUST HAVE BEEN WALKING UP AND DOWN THAT STREET FOR SEVEN YEARS NOW AND JUST, I THINK IT'S THE APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR ME TO BUILD A HOUSE AND LIVE.

I ALREADY KNOW ALL MY NEIGHBORS .

UM, YEAH, THAT, THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT, THE REASON WE PURCHASED IT WAS TO CREATE HOUSING IN THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA.

AND GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE WERE LOOKING AT, UH, THE RENTAL HOUSING BECAUSE THAT'S, UH, WHAT THE GREAT NEED IS IN THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA.

GENERALLY SPEAKING, UH, WE WERE, WE WERE ALSO CONCERNED THAT THAT IS A HOME OWNERSHIP NEIGHBORHOOD CUZ YOU HAVE ALL THE, THE HABITAT HOUSING ACROSS, ACROSS, UH, THE WAY.

SO HOME OWNERSHIP, UH, IS A SIGNIFICANT PART OF THAT, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE, UM, WE ALSO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY TIED UP IN THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.

I'LL LET YOU KNOW THAT TOO.

UM, SO IF WE WERE TO CONSIDER SELLING THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, WE WANT TO RECOUP OUR INVESTMENT IN IT.

AND SO WE WOULD HAVE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT.

UM, SO IT'S GONNA BE A VERY WALK, BELLAMY DRIVE AS WE LOOK AT IT, IS GONNA BE A

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WELL THAT ONE WILL BECOME A MAJOR, UH, ACCESS POINT THERE.

AND SO WE'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT WOULD GO THERE.

AND ANYTHING THAT WE WOULD DO OR ANYBODY ELSE WOULD DO THERE WOULD, UM, ENHANCE THAT STREET SCAPE GOING DOWN THAT ROAD.

AND SO THAT WE'RE, WE'RE ALSO VERY COGNIZANT OF THAT FACT AND WOULD BE, UH, INVOLVED IN THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE WAY THAT ANY, ANY STRUCTURE, WHETHER WE BUILD IT OR SOMEONE ELSE DOES, UH, WOULD BE PLACED ON THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY.

THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THE HOUSING WORK GROUP HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT WITH THAT, THAT PARTICULAR SITE.

WHY IS THERE AN EMPHASIS ON RENTAL INSTEAD OF AN ACTUAL PERSON HOMEOWNER LIVING IN HIS OWN HOUSE? NO, LIKE I SAID, THAT'S A, THAT'S A OKAY.

MY TIME'S UP YOUR TIME'S NOT UP.

WE'LL GIVE YOU A BREAK.

BREAK ON THAT.

GOOD.

I TOOK UP MOST OF YOUR TIME.

NO, NO, YOUR TIME.

YOUR TIME IS NOT INTERVIEW FOR ME.

LET ME GO TO, UH, COMMISSIONER, UM, WALLACE, SEE IF HE HAS ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. TONIGHT.

NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

COMMISSIONER MORGAN, I'LL BE BRIEF.

UM, AND I HAVE MET MR. FRY.

UH, I'M ALSO FAMILIAR WITH THE LOTS AND THE HOUSES THAT USED TO BE ON THOSE LOTS AND I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA AND IT'S NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

UM, AND I HAVE SEEN THE PRO THE, UH, PROGRESS THAT'S TAKING PLACE AT YOUR BUSINESS AND THE GROWTH.

AND I HAVE SEEN YOU WALKING DOWN BY THE PARK.

UH, AND IT'S, IT IS GOOD TO KNOW IT'S BEING UTILIZED.

PERSONALLY.

I AM A BIG FAN OF THOSE THAT WANT TO PURCHASE LAND AND NOT NECESSARILY TURN IT INTO ALL RENTAL PROPERTIES AND JUST BE A LANDLORD, BUT WANT TO INVEST IN SOMETHING THAT HAS NOT BEEN USED PREVIOUSLY, UH, OR THAT HAS BEEN NOT IN THE BEST OF SHAPE AND WILLING TO PUT YOUR OWN MONEY, PUT YOUR OWN STAKES AND PUT DOWN SOME, SOME ROOTS TO BE ABLE TO STICK AROUND IF YOU ARE ABOUT IT.

AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE AROUND THEN, UM, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.

I LOVE TO SEE THOSE THAT ARE PURCHASING PROPERTIES NOW THAT WANT TO LIVE IN THE AREAS THAT NEED THE MOST ATTENTION.

I DO KNOW THAT WE HAD BEEN OUT AS A GROUP AND LOOKED AND WALKED ON THAT PROPERTY.

UH, I'M NOT SURE OF WHAT THE HOUSING GROUP HAS DONE.

UH, I DO RESPECT MY COMMISSIONERS, UH, BUT I AM A FAN OF THOSE THAT WANT TO LIVE IN THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA.

YEAH, THANK YOU.

IT'LL BE THE FOURTH ONE.

IF, IF YOU GUYS APPROVE THIS, IT'LL BE THE FOURTH ONE THAT I'VE DONE IN THIS AREA.

JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION.

DO YOU OWN ANY OTHER PROPERTIES CURRENTLY THAT ARE RENTAL PROPERTIES IN THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA? NO, I'VE GOT TWO THAT ARE IN MY BUSINESS.

ONE IS ON FORBES ALLEY.

AND THEN THIS WOULD BE THE FOURTH ONE.

FACT, IF I CAN INTERJECT ONE PERSON.

YES, SIR.

UM, FROM YOUR WEBSITE AND JUST FROM WHAT THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION PUT OUT, SOME OF THE STATISTICS, AND THESE ARE FROM 2016 WHERE THE VACANCY RATE FOR THE LOTS WAS 47%.

RENTERS WERE 74% AND OWNERS WAS 5.52%.

SO TO SEE NEW OWNERS COME IN THAT WILL HELP REDEVELOP THE AREA, PROVIDE TAX REVENUE TO CIVIC, PLUS THE BIDS THAT COME IN WILL PROVIDE MONEY THAT YOU CAN USE.

SINCE THE LAND IS, UH, 47% FROM UM, 2016, THAT'S STILL VACANT.

YOU CAN TAKE THE BID MONEY OR THE PROPOSALS THAT WE'RE ALREADY OFFERING AND USE THAT MONEY TO DO BEAUTIFICATION.

I'VE SEEN GORDON PROPOSALS THAT ARE OUT THERE ON DIFFERENT CORNERS.

UM, RECREATION CENTER, YOU CAN TAKE THE MONEY AND PUT IT, APPLY IT TO SOME GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY.

SO THAT'S WHY I THINK ONCE YOU SEE NEW OWNERS COME IN THAT WANNA LIVE THERE, YOU'RE GONNA SEE MORE PEOPLE COME IN AND MAKE BIDS FOR PROPERTY SO THEY CAN LIVE THERE AND DO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS IN CODE WITH YOUR, UH, OVERLAY DISTRICT.

SO I HOPE YOU CONSIDER THAT.

I GOT, I GOT A QUESTION.

UM, ARE YOU ASKING FOR BOTH OF THOSE LAST 2 0 3 AND 2 0 7? WE ARE, WE ARE CURRENTLY BECAUSE THE SALE THAT YOU MADE BACK IN 2016, AND IT'S ALSO IN THE, THE MATERIALS, WAS IT COMBINED BECAUSE 2 0 3 ENCROACHED ON 2 0 7.

I THOUGHT WHEN WE TALKED TO THE COMMISSION EARLIER THAT WE HAD TO DO ONE ONE OFFER BID.

SO WE MADE TWO OFFER BIDS FOR BOTH LOTS CAUSE THEY BOTH

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WERE AVAILABLE.

SO IT CAN HELP WITH HIS NEEDS IF HE WANTS TO DO A BACKYARD FOR THE DOG, ET CETERA.

SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE MAKING TWO, TWO OFFERS FOR 2 0 3 AND 2 0 7.

AND WHILE TWO YEAR DELAY WILL BE, I GUESS I'VE GOT A, A BIG PROJECT GOING RIGHT NOW WITH THE 2,500 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING WHERE QUEEN AND PILOT COME TOGETHER AND IT SHOULD BE COMPLETED IN JANUARY.

AND, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST, IT'S JUST, UH, I IT WOULD BE TOUGH TO TRY TO BUILD A BUILD TAKE ON ANOTHER HOME BUILDING PROJECT AT THIS MOMENT.

SO JUST NEED A LITTLE BIT OF TIME.

COMMISSIONER PARIO, I SEE YOU SIR.

COMMISSIONER PARIO? I'M GOOD WITH.

I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ADDITIONAL TO ADD.

YES SIR.

I SPEAK, YES, SIR.

OH, OKAY.

HOW ABOUT, MY NAME IS DAN FRY.

I'M HIS FATHER AND I'M HIS ACCOUNTANT.

WORKED PART-TIME FOR HIM.

IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN NEWBERG HERE FOR EIGHT YEARS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN THE, THE BUILDING HE BOUGHT FOUR YEARS AGO AND YOU'RE RENOVATED RIGHT ACROSS FROM BLACK'S TIRE ON COLLEGE STREET.

AND NOW WITH THIS NEW BUILDING, UH, BY THE TIME IT'S DONE, HILL INVESTED THREE QUARTERS OF A MILLION DOLLARS IN FIVE POINTS.

AND I DON'T THINK THERE ARE VERY MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE WILLING TO DO THAT.

SO THAT'S, HE, HE'S REALLY COMMITTED TO THE AREA.

I THINK THAT THAT REALLY IS EVIDENCE OF HIS COMMITMENT.

SO.

AUTUMN, YOU HAVE ANY? NO, I HAVEN'T.

THAT'S THE OTHER QUESTION.

THANK YOU'ALL SO MUCH.

AND YOU'LL BE HEARING, UH, FROM US, CUZ THERE'S NO DECISION WE NEED TO MAKE AT THIS POINT.

APPRECIATE YOUR INVESTMENT.

WELL WE WILL BE TALKING TO YOU.

DO THEY KNOW THE PROCESS? UH, YES.

WE GET, HAVE INTERJECT.

CAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO GET, WHEN I TALKED TO MS. BOWMAN MM-HMM.

ABOUT THE PROCEDURES, AND I KNOW THAT SHE'S A NEW COMMISSIONER.

WE TALKED TO FRIEND, DEPUTY CLERK.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE MADE OFFERS FOR BOTH PROPERTIES.

WE HAVE A RECEIPT AS OF TODAY.

YOU CAN GET ALL THE PROCEDURES ONLINE.

THEY HAVE A COPY.

I MEAN, WE FILED THE PROCEDURES ALREADY.

OFFERS HAVE BEEN MADE.

WE HAVE A RECEIPT OR OFFERS A PURCHASE THAT WERE MADE TO THE CLERK TODAY.

SO FOR US, ARE, ARE WE AT THIS TIME THE POSITION, SAY ALL OF US AGREED TO DO THIS, GO THROUGH WITH THE PROCEDURE.

HOW DOES IT WORK? NOW WE'VE HEARD, WE'VE HEARD, AND ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS, I GUESS EVERYBODY THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA.

SO DO WE GIVE A THUMBS UP, TELL THEM PROCEED ON WHAT? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

SO OUR PROCEED IS THAT THE COMMISSION ADOPTED SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, UM, OUTLINED THE STEPS GOING FORWARD.

SO AFTER HEARING THE PRESENTATION AND HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE MATERIALS THAT THE GENTLEMAN HAS PROVIDED, THE HOUSING WORK GROUP WILL DIGEST THAT INFORMATION AND COME BACK TO AT YOUR NEXT MEETING, UM, TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.

THAT RECOMMENDATION COULD BE YES, GO AHEAD AND PROCEED WITH THE UPSET BID PROCESS.

OR IT COULD BE UPSET BID PROCESS WITH RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS PROPOSED.

AND AT THAT POINT, YOU CAN DETERMINE WHETHER THE BID IS ACCEPT, MINIMUM BID IS ACCEPTABLE TO YOU ALL AND YOU WANT TO INITIATE THE UPSET BID PROCESS.

THIS WOULD NOT BE A DIRECT SALE.

UM, SO ANYONE AFTER THE NOTICE IS PUBLISHED WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO UPSET THIS GENTLEMAN'S BID.

UM, BUT AT THE END OF THAT PROCESS, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO DETERMINE WHETHER YOU ARE SATISFIED WITH THE FINAL HIGHEST BIDDER, WHETHER THAT'S THIS GENTLEMAN OR SOMEONE ELSE.

AND AT ANY POINT YOU CAN STOP THE PROCESS.

UM, BUT IF YOU'RE SATISFIED WITH HIS PROPOSAL, THE HOUSING WORK GROUP RECOMMENDS MOVING FORWARD, THEN YOU CAN TAKE ACTION AT YOUR NEXT MEETING.

SO POSSIBILITY 30 DAYS, YOU'LL KNOW WHAT, HOW WE FIT IN OUR RECOMMENDATION.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

IN THE MEANTIME, IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, JUST CONTACT MS. BO.

WE WILL.

OR ADOPTING A RESOLUTION OF FOR THE HEALTH AND WELLNESS CENTER, DEMONST A CONCEPT PLAN.

THANK YOU AGAIN.

LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU.

UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE

[5. Adopting a Resolution the Health & Wellness Center Demolition and Concept Plan.]

UH, VICE CHAIR, I THINK IN YOUR PACKAGE YOU RECEIVED TWO, UH, ENGINEER DRAWINGS OF PROPOSED SITE PLANS FOR THE, THE WELLNESS CENTER ON BLOOMFIELD STREET.

AND THEY'RE BASICALLY, BASICALLY THE SAME.

THE BUILDING, THE BUILDING, UH, IS 3,150 SQUARE FEET AND I THINK THERE'S 16 PARKING SPOTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

AND THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IN IT IS ONE IS TWISTED THIS WAY AND THE OTHER ONE'S TWISTED THAT WAY.

UH, BUT IT IS, UH, IT MAXIMIZES THE TWO LOTS THAT WE HAVE RECENTLY PURCHASED,

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UH, FOR THE BUILDING BASICALLY.

AND TO, TO GET ADEQUATE PARKING FOR THE FACILITY FOR NOW AND ALSO FOR THE FUTURE.

UH, IT REQUIRES, UH, UTILIZATION OF THE SITE CURRENTLY OCCUPIED BY THE MACAU HOUSE.

SO THIS, THIS PROPOSAL IS BEFORE YOU GO UP THERE.

AND IT ALSO, UH, WOULD REQUIRE THE REMOVAL OF THE MCAT HOUSE, UH, IN ORDER TO FACILITATE, FACILITATE THE, UH, IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS SITE PLAN, SITE PLAN BETH HAD DONE BY, UH, AVAS ENGINEERING, UH, FOR US.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S, IT'S A BASIC SITE PLAN, UH, FOLLOW UP ON SOME OTHER INFORMATION.

IF YOU RECALL IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS, UH, WE, THE MACAU HOUSE WAS ZONED C4, TWO LOTS BEHIND IT.

WERE R SIX.

WE HAVE BEEN TO THE, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD AND HAVE GOTTEN A RECOMMENDATION, A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION FROM THEM, THEM THAT WILL GO TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN TO REZONE THE TWO CARTER LOTS TO C4 ALSO, WHICH AGAIN ALLOWS FOR THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT OF THOSE TWO LOTS INTO THIS COURT COMMERCIAL TYPE OF USE.

SO EVERYTHING PENDING THE, THE ALDERMAN'S, UH, FINAL DECISION ON THE REZONING OF THIS AREA.

UM, EVERYTHING IS IN PLACE TO SOLIDIFY THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE, TWEAK IT A LITTLE BIT AND WE'LL BE READY TO ROCK AND ROLL ON DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE.

AND WE DO HAVE, UH, BIDS FOR THE, UM, WE HAVE QUOTES FOR THE DEMOLITION, UH, OF, UH, 9 0 8 BLOOMFIELD, BOTH FOR PRIVATE, UH, QUOTE AND ALSO, UH, QUOTE BY PUBLIC WORKS.

ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER WALLACE? NOT AT THIS TIME.

I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION IF I'M .

THERE WAS A QUESTION MM-HMM.

IN ONE OF THE, UM, THE LAST MEETING WE HAD WITH PHOENIX ROOF AND THE COMMUNITY OVER AT MAKE CENTER MM-HMM.

AND THEY ASKED, UM, IS IT POSSIBLE TO MOVE THE MACAU HOUSE LIKE WE DID THE ONE ON STREET? AND THE REASON WHY I SAY I'VE BEEN GETTING CALLS, YOU KNOW, RECENTLY, A LOT OF CALLS THIS PAST TWO WEEKS.

UM, AND IT'S JUST A QUESTION.

IF IT CAN'T BE, I'M FINE.

WE'RE FINE.

IT IS A BIG DEAL.

I MEAN, IT'S FINE.

BUT IN MY MIND, UM, WE'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR FOUR YEARS AND THE MECA HOUSE IS LOW HANGING FRUIT AND A LOW AND A QUICK WIN.

IF WE COULDN'T MOVE IT AND PUT IT ON ANOTHER SPOT, REHAB IT.

AND THEN WE, WE NOW HAVE A, A PROPERTY THAT'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE RENTED OUT OR BOUGHT IN THAT COMMUNITY.

JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE.

JUST AN IDEA.

THAT'S, THAT'S ODD.

AND I'M JUST ECHOING.

I MEAN, THE CALLS I'M GETTING NOW, I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S RIGHT.

BEING THAT THEY REACHED OUT TO ASK THE QUESTION.

SO I FIGURED I'D ASK IT.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S MY QUESTION.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A FEW MINUTES.

COMMISSION.

SO THERE WILL BE AN ANSWER COMING TO HIS QUESTION.

, WELL, WE'LL BE THROUGH SOME DISCUSSION.

DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.

BUILDINGS OVER TO CREATE PROPERTIES.

I'LL TAKE THE DISCUSSION.

UM, AND I DO APPRECIATE YOU INTERRUPTING AND I DID YIELD TO YOU, YOU DID YIELD, WHICH I'M SHOCKED, BUT YOU DID.

UM, I'VE HEARD SEVERAL AND GOTTEN SOME OF THOSE SAME PHONE CALLS ALSO AND WAS CONCERNED.

UM, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD BECAUSE I LOOK AT IT FROM A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW.

I LOOK AT IT FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF ANOTHER STRUCTURE.

REGARDLESS OF WHAT KIND OF SHAPE IT WAS IN, WE'D ALREADY DETERMINED IT WASN'T GONNA COST $400,000 TO BRING IT UP THE CODE AND TO MAKE IT A VIABLE BUILDING.

YET.

AND STILL WE ARE CONSTANTLY AND CONSISTENTLY TEARING DOWN, DEMOLISHING AND PUSHING, UH,

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YET WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROJECTS THAT ARE UNDERWAY AND ON THE GROUND.

AND WHETHER IT BE AN ASSET OR A LIABILITY, WE'RE CONTINUING TO PUSH OVER AND DEMOLISH RATHER THAN BUILDING OR REBUILDING.

AND THAT IS A CONCERN THAT I HAVE.

UM, SO I WOULD BE, I'M GONNA SAVE THE REST OF MY COMMENTS AND REMARKS UNTIL AFTER WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSION ON WHETHER THAT BUILDING COULD BE MOVED, BE UTILIZED FOR SOMETHING ELSE IN ANOTHER LOCATION.

AS WE WELL KNOW, THE CITY OWNS QUITE A FEW PROPERTIES, SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT HAVING TO RELOCATE THAT BUILDING.

BUT SO FAR, UH, THERE ARE SOME LOW LYING AREAS OVER IN THAT AREA, BUT THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT ARE NOT IN THE FLOOD PLAIN, UH, THAT ARE NOT AN ENGINEER.

YOU ALL WOULD BE MORE WELL VERSED ON IF IT COULD BE DONE, IF IT CAN BE MOVED, IF IT CAN BE PLACED.

AND IF SO, THEN I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE, UH, LOOKED AT, NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED BEFORE WE JUST CONSISTENTLY REMAIN PUSHING OVER AND DEMOLISHING BUILDINGS THAT ARE AN ASSET IN THE COMMUNITY.

DISCUSSION WISE, BECAUSE TWO THINGS I THINK ARE IMPORTANT AND I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, COMMISSIONER MORGAN ABOUT PUSHING OVER THINGS AND LEAVING EMPTY LOTS.

BUT THE ONLY REASON FOR THE VENTILATION OF THE STRUCTURE STRUCTURE IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE WELLNESS CENTER AND IT WOULD BE PART OF THAT PLAN.

SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN EMPTY LOT.

I MEAN, IT WILL BE PARKING FOR THE WELLNESS CENTER.

SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR IT TO COME DOWN.

AND WE DID NOT GO BACK ON THE PRICE OF IT.

IT IS STILL THE SAME PRICE IT EVER WAS OF $400 TO REHAB IT.

AND IF I JUST MAY ADD IT, I'LL LEAVE IT ALONE.

I'M VERY BIG ON OPTICS.

AS I'VE ALWAYS SAID.

A LOT OF MY NEIGHBORS, A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY ARE NOT READING OVER OUR MINUTES.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO OUR WEBSITE.

THEY DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THESE MEETINGS.

BUT THEY'RE VERY BIG ON WHAT THEY SEE.

AND THEY BELIEVE THEIR EYES.

IF THEY DON'T SEE ANY SHOVELS OF DIRT BEING TURNED OVER TO START A NEW PROJECT TO REBUILD SOMETHING, AND THEY'RE CONSISTENTLY AND CONSTANTLY SEEING THINGS THAT ARE BEING TORN DOWN, REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE TELL THEM, THEY STILL BELIEVE THEIR OWN EYES.

AND IT'S OPTICS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE THE BUYIN OF THE COMMUNITY IF IT'S SUPPOSED TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY.

I AM A BIG FAN.

I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER, WHETHER IT BE WITH, WITHOUT THE HOUSE.

WE HAVE TO SHOW SOME PROGRESS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE GETTING BUYIN FROM THE PUBLIC, THAT WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS AND THAT WE ARE SHOWING THAT WE ARE DOING THINGS THAT WILL PRO PRODUCE.

UH, WE HAVE TO SHOW PROGRESS.

I AGREE.

AND, AND, AND I'LL, YOU'RE RIGHT, WE NEED SOME WINS.

NEED SOME THINGS TO HAPPEN ON THE HOUSING FRONT.

THE TWO THINGS THAT, THAT I, I WILL THROW OUT FOR DISCUSSION IS WE'VE MOVED THE HOUSE RECENTLY MM-HMM.

AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY REALLY ENJOYED THAT PROCESS.

THAT ONCE WE GOT THROUGH IT AND THE MCCONNELL HOUSE IS TWO STORIES AND, AND, AND, AND BRICK AND IT'S A MUCH MORE DIFFICULT STRUCTURE TO MOVE CUZ POWER LINES AND ALL THAT KIND OF GOOD STUFF.

AND, AND, AND IT'S, IT'S BIGGER THAN THE HOUSE WHEN WE MOVE, UH, LENGTH AND EVERYTHING ELSE, IT'S THIS BIGGER AND IT'S, IT WITH THE STREET WIDTHS AND EVERYTHING WE HAVE DOWN AREA, IT'S GONNA BE A VERY DIFFICULT MOVE THAT I THINK WOULD BE VERY COSTLY MOVE.

NOW THERE ARE, THERE ARE PLACES WE COULD PUT IT INTO.

IT WAS FINANCIALLY INTELLIGENT TO DO SO AND THEN HAVE TO REHAB IT ALSO.

THE, THE, WHICH I DON'T THINK IT IS BETH'S GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE COST THAT WE'RE INCURRING ON REHABBING THE BOULEVARD HOUSE AND WHAT THAT COST IS COSTING US PER SQUARE FOOT AND SO FORTH.

AND SO WE, WE NEED TO LOOK THE, WE, WE, I AGREE THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE NOT LOOKING INTO IT THAT WAY.

BUT IT NEEDS TO MAKE SENSE FOR US FINANCIALLY TO DO SOME THINGS.

IF IT'S NOT FEASIBLE, WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND KNOCK IT OVER AND WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND START SHOWING SOME PROGRESS ON THAT SITE.

BRING UP TO YOU IS, IS THE, IS THE MONEY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE THROUGH THE ALDERMAN, UH, RE OR GIVEN US THE MONEY AND SO FORTH, WE HAVE THE FUNDING TO BUILD THE BUILDING.

AND SOMETHING NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

AND, AND THE OTHER THING I'LL

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PRETTY MUCH THAT WHERE, WHERE WE ARE LACKING FUNDING OTHER THAN CBG FUNDS IS IN HOUSING.

AND WE HAVE THE LAND, WE, WE, WE'VE SPENT MONEY ACCUMULATING LAND AND, AND WE HAVE VERY BUILDABLE LOTS OUT OF THE FLOOD PLAIN.

IF WE CAN GET THE FUNDING ARRANGED TO BUILD SOME HOUSES, UH, WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT, I MEAN, RIGHT NOW BUILDING COSTS ARE EVERYBODY KNOWS ARE KIND OF ASTRONOMICAL, UH, FOR NEW STRUCTURES.

UH, I HAD SOME PRICE WITH A REGULAR GENERAL CONTRACTOR THE OTHER DAY FOR, YOU KNOW, SEVEN, 800 SQUARE FOOT SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING AND UH, WITH NOTHING REALLY EXTRAORDINARY AS FAR AS FINISHES AND SO FORTH.

AND IT'S STILL RUN ABOUT $170 A SQUARE FOOT.

THAT'S FOR ONE GREAT SLAB TYPE OF HOUSE.

UM, SO, BUT WE'RE MORE THAN WILLING AND ABLE AND THAT THE KEY IS ABLE TO BUILD HOUSING IN THERE IF WE CAN SECURE THE FUNDING TO DO SO.

WE'RE ALL ALL READY TO DO THAT.

THE LAND'S IN PLACE AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME, WE'RE GOING FOR INSTANCE ON A STREET, A AVENUE I GUESS IT IS.

AND WE HAVE, WE'RE GONNA TEAR DOWN SOME MORE HOUSING THAT HAVE BEEN BURNED AND YOU KNOW, THEY NEED TO BE TORN DOWN CUZ THEY'RE UNINHABITABLE AND USED.

BUT THEN WE HAVE A NICE STRIP OF LAND AGAIN NEXT TO SOME HABITAT HOUSING THAT WE COULD GO EITHER WAY WITH HALF A RENTAL PROPERTY OR HOME OWNERSHIP, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, PREVALENT IN THAT AREA TO DO.

BUT IT, TO ME IT'S, IT'S, IT'S FUNDING.

WE HAVE FUNDING TO DO THE WELLNESS CENTER, THE BULK OF THE WELLNESS CENTER NOW.

AND SO THAT'S WHERE I THINK OUR PRIORITY NEEDS TO BE TO GET THAT MOVING ON AS OUR FIRST WIN FOR THE COMMUNITY.

AND, AND I REALLY DON'T THINK THE ECONOMICS MAKE SENSE TO MOVE THE MCOW HOUSE.

THAT'S MY, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION, ROBIN.

AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW WHAT KE I DO RESPECT YOUR OPINION.

AND I BELIEVE YOU AND I BELIEVE IN YOU , YOU BELIEVE ION YOU HAVE .

NO, I THINK I'VE SAID IT.

I JUST, IT'S BEEN FOUR YEARS.

IT'S, IT'S BEEN FOUR YEARS IN NEW WELLNESS CENTER.

BREAKS DOWN, BREAKS AROUND IN THE SPRING.

HOPEFULLY NOW THAT WILL BE FIVE.

UM, JUST WANT TO COMMISSION TO KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE CALLING, PEOPLE ARE WATCHING.

CAUSE NOW IT'S BEGINNING AT MAKING AN IMPACT ON OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY.

UM, CAMERA ROLLING.

I'M OUT, OUT, OUT HERE.

I UNDERSTAND YOUR FRUSTRATION.

I FEEL IT TOO.

I MEAN, WE, YOU'VE BEEN ON THIS COMMISSION TO AS MANY DAYS AS I HAVE AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT PULLING AROUND, YOU'RE NOT FOOLING AROUND.

WE'RE ALL TRYING TO WORK TOGETHER.

YOU'VE DONE AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF WORK TO GET THIS DONE.

YES MA'AM.

AND SO I THINK THIS IS OUR FINAL STEP IS TO GET THE CONCEPT PLAN APPROVED SO WE CAN START DOING IT.

BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT IS THE PROBLEM THAT TAKES TIME IS GETTING CONSENSUS.

IT'S ONE OF OUR, YOU KNOW, PRINCIPLES THAT WE GET CONSENSUS WITH EVERYBODY, BUT I DON'T REALLY EVER WANT TO PRESENT THE FACT THAT IT'S US AND THEM.

IT'S BEEN OUR TEAM OF ALL THESE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM FOR THE PAST FOUR YEARS OF WORKING ON THIS PROJECT, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US.

MEAN WE, WE CAN WORK ON THE SITE TO GET THE SITE PREPARED FOR LIKE, SAY FOR PROBABLY NOT BIG WINTER RIGHT.

AND, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, UM, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORICAL, HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED MM-HMM.

, THE THINGS THAT WE WERE TOLD AT THE TOWN HALLS THAT WE DID WAS LEAVE.

UM, AND THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT SOME OF THE MISSTEPS FROM THE PAST.

I'M TALKING 20 YEARS AGO, ALL THE OTHER TWO PLANS THAT THEY WERE DOING.

UM, AND THEY WERE AFRAID OF WE WOULD BE RIGHT BACK AGAIN WHERE WE STARTED WITH NOTHING WHEN THEY SAID THAT FOUR YEARS AGO.

HERE WE ARE IN THE FOURTH YEAR.

I CAN UNDERSTAND THEM GETTING A LITTLE RAMBUNCTIOUS OVER THERE NOW, LIKE ALL IN THE WORLD.

SO I MEAN WE, I GUESS WE KIND OF SAW THIS IDEA AS A A, A QUICK WIN, YOU KNOW? YEAH.

SO, SO, SO, BUT I MEAN, LET, LET, LET'S BE REALISTIC ALSO, BUT I

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SPRING INITIATION, BUT DURING THAT TIME WORKING WITH BETH AND MR. JONES' GROUP AND YOUR PARTNERS.

WE GOTTA GET THAT FEEL ON THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING ALSO.

SO THERE IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN JUST LIKE THAT.

NO, NO.

I THINK ONCE THEY SEE THE BULLDOZERS THERE SOMETHING GOING UP AND I THINK THAT THAT'LL PLACATE THEM.

BUT WE, WE, OUR PRIORITY I THINK RIGHT NOW IS MOVING TO THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING.

WE KIND OF HAVE, WE HAVE A FRAMEWORK AND WE HAVE THE, THE SITE PLAN, YOU KNOW, THAT I THINK IS, IS WORKABLE AND THE NEXT STEP AND OUR NEXT FOCUS NEEDS TO BE TO GET THE INTERIOR OF THAT BUILDING LAID OUT SO THAT IT FUNCTIONS LIKE WE WANTED TO FUNCTION AND WE PROVIDE THE SERVICES THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS.

AND MR. JONES AND YOU ARE WORKING TOWARDS THAT GOAL.

AND WE NEED, THAT NEEDS TO BE OUR NEXT MEDIA FOCUS.

UM, IS THAT FOR POLICE GROUP, MAAM? CHAIR AND THE SPIRIT OF BEING HELPFUL, UM, IN, IN THE PACKET FOR THE COMMISSIONERS ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT, UM, QUOTES FOR DEMOLITION.

ONE OF THOSE QUOTES IS FROM PUBLIC WORKS.

UM, ANOTHER IS FROM, I THINK WILCO LANDMARKS.

IS THAT CORRECT? MS? YES.

FLOORING RIGHT NOW UNLESS IT'S BEEN COVERED.

UM, WITH, WITH PUBLIC WORKS, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT OUR PUBLIC WORK DEPARTMENT HAS TO DO ASBESTOS TESTING BEFORE THEY CAN GO FORWARD WITH THE DEMOLITION.

THAT ASBESTOS TESTING, UM, MAY OR MAY NOT YIELD ASBESTOS.

IF IT DOES YIELD ASBESTOS, THAT ASBESTOS MUST BE FADED BEFORE THE DEMOLITION CAN OCCUR.

SO THOSE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL COSTS THAT MAY BE APPLICABLE.

WE DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT.

UM, BUT THAT, THAT COST FROM PUBLIC WORKS, WHICH I BELIEVE IS ON THE SCREEN THERE, WHICH IS ABOUT $17,000, COULD BE MORE DEPENDING ON WHAT THE, WHAT THE RESULT OF THE ASBESTOS TESTING IS.

AND UH, JAMIE, THANK YOU FOR ADDING THAT.

CAUSE ANY CONTRACTOR WHO WILL PULL A PERMIT TO DEMOLISH THAT WOULD ALSO HAVE TO HAVE ASBESTOS TEST.

I I I NOT JUST PUBLIC QUOTE FROM THE PRIVATE CONTRACTOR.

AND IT NOW HAS A CAVEAT ON IT ABOUT, IT DOES NOT INCLUDE ASBESTOS ASSESSMENT.

SO THAT THAT'S A STANDARD WITHIN, THAT'S A STATE REQUIREMENT.

THAT'S A STATE REQUIREMENT FOR THAT.

IF YOU RECALL, WE WENT THROUGH THAT WITH THE BUILDING THAT MR. FRY, WHEN WE TOURED DOWN THAT HOUSE ON THAT, WE HAD TO GET THAT, CUZ THAT WAS BUILT IN 18 SOMETHING.

UH, WE HAD TO GO THROUGH THAT SAME PROCESS.

AND WE HAD SPENT SOME MONEY ON, UH, ABATE COST.

FALSE.

AND, AND STAFF I THINK HAS, UM, CONSULTED WITH A LOCAL ASBESTOS TESTING GROUP THAT I THINK THE CITY UTILIZES FAIRLY REGULARLY.

AND IF MY MEMORY SERVE ME CORRECTLY, THAT MAY, THAT INFORMATION MAY BE IN YOUR PACKET.

THE COST OF THAT TESTING IS ABOUT $400.

AM I RIGHT? ? UM, SO BEFORE YOU, IF YOU'RE INCLINED TO ADOPT THE SITE PLAN THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED TONIGHT, YOU HAVE A RESOLUTION TO ADOPT THE SITE PLAN.

TO APPROVE THE SITE PLAN.

AND THEN AFTER THAT, AS IT RELATES TO THE DEMOLITION, IF YOU'RE SO INCLINED, YOU CAN ONE, UM, DECIDE TO DO ASBESTOS TESTING ONLY TO DETERMINE IF THERE'S ASBESTOS IN THE BUILDING.

BUILDING TO GET AN ASSESSMENT OF WHETHER THERE NEEDS TO BE ABATEMENT.

YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH PUBLIC WORKS KNOWING THAT THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO DO THE TESTING AT YOUR EXPENSE AND ABATEMENT AT YOUR EXPENSE OR WITH THE PRIVATE CONTRACTOR.

BECAUSE ALL OF THESE CONTRACT PRICES ARE UNDER THE STATUTORY THRESHOLD.

WE DON'T HAVE TO BID THEM.

BUT THOSE ARE THE THREE OPTIONS AS I SEE THEM THAT YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE FROM TONIGHT.

MRS. BLA RIVERS SOLD THAT HOUSE TO SAMATTA BACK IN THE SEVENTIES, IN THE EIGHTIES, SHE OWNED TWO OTHER HOUSES THAT WERE ADJACENT.

ONE ON MURRAY STREET, ONE ON BLOOMFIELD, ONE ON PAVLEY, WELL NOT JASON, BUT THEY WERE ALL ON DIFFERENT STREETS.

THEY WERE ALL BUILT BY THE SAME PERSON.

AND THOSE TWO HOUSES THAT WERE DEMOLISHED HAD THEY HAD THAT SLATE ON THE INSIDE OF 'EM.

AND UNLESS HE TOOK THAT SLATE OUT, I WOULD, I WOULD BET THAT THAT HOUSE HAS ASBESTOS IN IT AND THAT SLATE DOES HAVE TO BE SOAKED, PROPERLY REMOVED ON SITE WITH ALL DIFFERENT KINDS OF, UH, GEAR BY SOMEONE WHO WAS LICENSED TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THAT.

AND I ONLY KNOW BECAUSE I WAS PART OF THAT PROJECT, SO KIND ASBESTOS BEING IN THAT, UH, RESIDENCE.

AND THAT, THAT'S KIND INTERESTING.

CAUSE THE CITY PROBABLY WENT IN THERE AND DID SOMETHING TO THAT BUILDING WHEN THEY TURNED IT INTO A POLICE.

AND THEY VERY WELL MAY HAVE, IT DOES NOT HAVE ASBESTOS

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YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ASPHALT, ASBESTOS SHINGLES ON THE, AS I'M TALKING ABOUT THAT SLATE THAT WAS ON THERE, THAT THEY JUST BUILT AROUND IT.

THEY BRICKED UP ON IT.

THEY DIDN'T TAKE IT OFF.

THEY BRICKED UP AROUND IT.

CAUSE THAT WAS A SLATE HOUSE.

IT WAS A WOODEN SLATE.

AND YOU ARE CORRECT, THEY RARELY TAKE THAT OFF.

THEY JUST GO ON TOP OF IT.

YEP.

COVERED.

SO WON'T HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROBLEM ONCE A YEAR.

BURY IT.

SO, UH, WE HAVE HAD, UH, COMMENT AND WE HAD THE ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION, THE CONCEPT PLAN AND OF, UH, OF THE, UM, AND WE'VE HAD I DISCUSSION ABOUT IT, I CAN BE, UH, DEMOTION.

I'VE MOVED QUITE A FEW HOUSES WITH BRICK ON THEM.

IT'S NOT THE EASIEST, IT'S NOT THE EASIEST, UH, THING TO, TO, TO, AND SO I, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO, UH, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, WE UM, WE ADOPT A RESOLUTION.

THE BOARD WANTING SOMEONE ONE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION.

UH, ATTORNEY.

DO I NEED TO DO THEM SEPARATELY? DO DO SEPARATELY.

I WOULD THEM SEPARATELY.

WELL WE WILL NEED A MOTION ADOPTING THE CONCEPT PLAN AND THEN THE DEMOLITION IF YOU ARE SO INCLINED TO DO WELL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE, UH, CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN, UH, PRESENTED FOR THE WELLNESS CENTER ON BLOOMFIELD STREET.

YOU GOT SECOND QUESTIONS.

DISCUSSION.

THIS IS FOR THE SITE PLAN? YES.

ALL IN FAVOR OF TO I, UH, GLASSES, LET'S SAY ON WALKER.

COMMISSION COMMISSIONER WALKER.

BUT I LIKE IT.

I GOT YOUR PROMOTION.

PROMOTION.

GOT YOUR, GOT YOUR NOMINATED AND ELECTED ALL IN ONE, ONE FELL.

HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT THAT.

COMMISSIONER WALLACE.

UH, COMMISSIONER LEE.

COMMISSIONER PARAGO IS, YES.

I THINK THAT'S ALL ABOUT THIS.

MOTION APPROVED.

UM, WE NEED, UH, OF THE RESOLUTION FOR THE DEMOLITION MOTION.

MOTION.

YOU ARE SO INCLINED TO DO SO.

AND THAT MOTION SHOULD INDICATE WHETHER PUBLIC WORKS OR WILL CODE.

OR THE MOTION COULD BE TO DO ASBESTOS TESTING BY ITSELF.

BY ITSELF.

SO THE MOTION HAS TO INCLUDING, UH, THE PUBLIC OR PRIVATE COMPANY.

AND, UH, THEBES, UH, TESTED.

I'M TRYING MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE DEMOLITION BY THE CITY PUBLIC WORKS AND THE ASBESTOS TESTING WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE MAY BE ADDITIONAL COST FOR, UM, DEMOLITION DEPENDING ON THE ASBESTOS RESULTS.

SECOND.

QUESTIONS? DISCUSSION? ROLL CALL.

AND ROLL CALL.

COMMISSIONER WALKER.

YES, I DO AGREE.

COMMISSIONER MORGAN? YES.

COMMISSIONER POWER.

COMMISSIONER WALLACE? YES.

CHAIR LEE? YES.

UH, VICE CHAIR OF PARA? YES.

MOTION CARRIES.

ITEM, UM, SIX, VICE CHAIR.

THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH.

[6. Adopting a Resolution Authorizing the Conveyance of 720 Fowlers Ln, 700 Fowlers Ln, 1023 Murray St, 1021 Murray St, 1019 Murray St, 1017 Murray St, 1015 Murray St, 1013 Murray St, 1011 Murray St, 1009 Murray St to the City of New Bern for Completion of the Duffyfield Stormwater Enhancement Project.]

NOW THIS, THIS IS A REQUEST BY THE CITY FOR US TO TRANSFER OWNERSHIP OF A GROUP OF LOT DOWN BERRY STREET FOR THE STORMWATER PROJECT, UH, THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED AND IS UNDER GOING.

UH, IF YOU RECALL, THIS WAS THE VERY FIRST THING WE ALL DISCUSSED WHEN THIS, WHEN THIS COMMISSION WAS CREATED WAS THE NEED TO DEAL BEFORE WE DID ANYTHING ELSE TO DEAL WITH STORM WATER IN THIS AREA.

AND THROUGH THE ENGINEERING

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WORK AND SO FORTH, THE DESIGN PROGRAMS HAVE BEEN DONE AND SOME OF THE INITIAL WORKS HAS ALREADY BEEN PERFORMED.

I THINK PHASE ONE IS COMPLETE AND THIS WILL BE THE, UH, PROPERTIES NECESSARY TO COMPLETE PHASE TWO.

COMMISSIONER WALLACE COMMISSION.

UM, SO THESE ARE ALL PROPERTIES THAT ARE BASICALLY FEMA LOTS THAT WERE GIVEN TO US.

THERE'S NEVER AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO ANYTHING WITH THEM FROM THE STANDPOINT OF RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE BASED ON THE CONDITION OF THE, OF THE FEMA GUIDELINES.

AND THEY WERE GIVEN TO US AND NOW THEY WANT 'EM BACK.

I THINK.

IS THAT THE DEFINITION OF INDIAN GIVING ? I THINK IT'S, SO ANYHOW, UH, THAT PROPOSAL IS BEFORE US TO, UM, TRANSFER THESE PROPERTIES.

YOU REQUESTED PROPERTIES FOR THE COMPLETION OF PHASE TWO OF THE STORMWATER PROJECT BACK TO THE CITY.

QUESTIONS.

MORGAN, COMMISSIONER PALM MR. WALKER.

NO, BUT DID I MEET IN HERE? ARE WE TRANSFERRING 'EM BACK? ARE THEY LIKE A DOLLAR A PIECE OR DO THEY COME TO US AS A DOLLAR A PIECE? DID I SEE $10 IN THERE SOMEWHERE? STANDARD LANGUAGE FOR CONSIDERATION.

OH, OKAY.

$10.

ANOTHER CONSIDERATION.

WILL GIVE TO PAY US THE $10 PIECE.

THEY SELL .

I THINK THEY GIVE US THE $10.

DO .

I KNOW YOU DIDN'T REALLY WANT IT IS VERY QUICK.

YES, SIR.

I KNOW YOU KIND SKIPPED ME A LITTLE BIT THERE, BUT, BUT I WAS COMING BACK TO YOU.

I WANT TO GIVE YOU THE LAST OPPORTUNITY JUST IN CASE I'LL WAIT.

NICE.

WELL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, I MADE MY OKAY.

MORNING.

HAS ANYBODY ACTUALLY SEEN, AND DO THEY KNOW WHICH PROPERTY AND WHICH PROPERTIES THAT ARE DEPICTED HERE ON THE SCREEN? ARE YOU ALL FAMILIAR WITH WHAT IT IS? IT'S THE NASTIEST PLACE IN ALL DUFFING FIELDS AND THE MOST SWAMP AST PLACE.

IT, IT'S A LOT S IT'S JUST A DANGEROUS PLACE.

A DANGEROUS PLACE.

IT'S AN UNINHABITED PLACE, RIGHT? THERE ARE NO, THERE'S ONLY ONE RESIDENCE ON THAT STREET, UH, THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT IS INHABITED.

UH, I DO KNOW WHERE YOU ALL I KNOW WHO YOU.

I KNOW YOU, YOU, I SEE YOU.

I SEE YOU.

BUT IT IS SWAMPY, VERY SWAMPY AND IT'S VERY DANGEROUS.

THERE ARE QUITE A FEW WATER MOCCA, THE BLACK RUNNERS WHO'VE SEEN THE SNAKES.

UH, AND THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF IN THERE THAT YOU ALL HAVE NOT SEEN.

UH, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY WAS AWARE OF THE LAND MASS THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT ON MURRAY STREET.

THAT WRONG.

AND I WOULD IF I MAN CHAIR PERSON, ARE YOU GONNA TALK ABOUT S AGAIN, BE MOVING ON.

NO, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT IT, BUT SOMEONE WHO DOES KNOW THE, UH, LAND INTIMATELY, I SAW.

I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY AND I'M GONNA CUT IT AT THIS.

ROLL CALL COMMISSIONER WALKER.

THAT'S, THAT'S, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? AO BRENTON.

SO YOU THE MOTION TO ADOPT? YES, PLEASE.

WE NEED TO QUESTION DISCUSSION.

COMMISSIONER MORGAN? YES.

COMMISSIONER PARHAM? YES.

COMMISSIONER WAAS? YES.

THAT'S IN THAT BACKYARD.

THEY LIVE IN THE OLD MILLER HOUSE THAT'S IN THAT BACKYARD.

RIGHT? WHICH IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE CEMETERY.

YEAH, THIS IS THE BACKYARD.

IT'S CEMETERY.

I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WOULD BE HELPFUL, BUT, EXCUSE ME, I FORGOT YOU BACK.

NO, WE HAVE OUR, I THINK EVERYONE HAS SEEN THIS DEPICTION BEFORE IT'S BEEN INCLUDED IN SOME OF YOUR PREVIOUS PACKAGING.

UM, BUT THIS IS A ARTISTIC RENDERING OF WHAT THE DEI FIELD, UH, STORMWATER ENHANCEMENT PROJECT WILL LOOK LIKE AT ITS COMPLETION.

AND WHAT YOU ALL ARE CONTRIBUTING IS THAT CORNER UP THERE AND UP AND THROUGH HERE.

SO THIS DRAWING IS GOING TO BE RE-ENGINEERED TO KIND OF TWEAK THE LINES A LITTLE BIT.

AGENDA ITEM, UH, SEVEN, UH, DISCUSSION OF HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES IN THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION BOUNDARIES.

UM, BUT THIS IS THE TYPE OF AMENITY THAT WHAT YOU JUST, THE LAND THAT YOU JUST VOTED TO WILL CONTRIBUTE TO IMPROVEMENT AND IMPROVEMENT AND IMPROVEMENT.

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[7. Discussion of housing opportunities in the New Bern Redevelopment Commission boundaries.]

THAT IS GOING TO BE, UH, VICE CHAIR AGAIN.

WELL, WE KIND OF HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES.

AND AGAIN, UH, I KNOW WHEN WE HAVE OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING, PLANNING MEETING AT THE END OF THE MONTH, UH, IT NEEDS TO BE A PRIME FOCUS.

NOW THAT WE HAVE MOMENTUM AND FUNDING ASSOCIATED WITH THE WELLNESS CENTER, WE NEED TO REALLY SPEND SOME TIME ABOUT FUNDING FOR HOUSING.

UM, LIKE, I'M NOT GONNA SAY ANYTHING, BUT ONE MORE TIME.

WE HAVE THE PROPERTIES THAT WE CAN BUILD SOME HOUSING ON IF WE HAD SOME FUNDING AND WE'RE READY AND WE LOOK AT HOUSE PLANS AND OPPORTUNITIES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

AND SO WE, WITH SOME FUNDING FOR SOME PRIVATE, UH, INVESTORS THAT WANT TO GET INVOLVED IN IT, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH CREATION HOUSING.

AND WE HAVE, UH, REMEMBER FROM OUR PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT MULTIFAMILY, WE TALKED ABOUT SINGLE FAMILY, WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, MIXED, UH, MIXED UH, HOUSING.

AND IF YOU LOOK THROUGH THE CHOICE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN, YOU'LL SEE, UH, AND ON THE WEBSITE YOU WILL SEE SOME OF THE COMMENTS ABOUT MULTIFAMILY.

YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THE COMMENTS ABOUT TOTAL RENTAL, UH, UH, COMMUNITY.

YOU ALSO SEE, UM, IT TALKING ABOUT SINGLE FAMILY, UH, HOUSE.

BUT, UH, WHEN IT CAME DOWN TO, TO THE DISCUSSIONS, IT WAS SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING, UH, THAT MOST PEOPLE WANTED.

BUT UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU NEED RENTAL HOUSING CAUSE YOU REALLY NEED MIXED HOUSING IN A NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT DOES BETTER WHEN YOU HAVE MIXED HOUSING.

BUT ALSO, UH, WITH THAT THE, UH, SIZE OF THE HOUSING IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE, UH, DISCUSSING, UM, AS AS WILL.

AND SO ARE THERE ANY, UM, ANY FURTHER COMMENTS ON, ON THAT? WE ONLY BE SUSSING IT AT OUR STRATEGIC CLAIM, BUT WE WANTED TO BRING IT UP, UH, TONIGHT AS WELL.

AND SIMPLY BECAUSE TOO, UH, EVERYBODY, UH, TENDS TO SAY WE HAVE A LOT OF, WE HAVE A LOT OF LOTS.

AND THE SETBACKS ARE 25 SIDE.

WHAT ARE THE SETBACKS FOR? THEY'LL BE ADOPTED IN THE PLAN.

YEAH, THEY'RE ADOPTED IN THE PLAN.

I THINK IT'S FIVE FOOT SIDELINES AND EIGHT FOOT ON THE FRONT AND BACK, SOMEWHERE ALONG IN THERE.

IT'S NOT THE TYPICAL ALL THAT PROPERTY AND THERE WAS, HAS A ZONING CLASSIFICATION R SIX.

BUT WE HAVE OUR OWN UNIQUE SET OF, OF SETBACKS THAT DON'T FOLLOW THE R SIX ZONING.

15 FRONT SETBACK, 10 FEET REAR SETBACK, FIVE FEET SIDE THAT OKAY.

MINIMUM LOT WAS 25 FEET.

25.

15 MINUTES .

AND SO THAT'S A DISCUSSION THAT, UM, WE NEED TO HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITIES HAVE COME, UH, HAVE COME BEFORE US.

UM, AND SO IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE GOTTA DECIDE, UM, WHETHER THE SIZE OF THE HOUSING AND THE TYPE OF HOUSING THAT, UM, AND WE'LL HAVE SOME OF THAT STUFF FOR YOU TO THINK ABOUT AT THE PLANNING MEETING FROM THE HOUSING WORK GROUP.

THAT'S GOOD.

BUT I SAID A LOT OF, LOT OF THE CONVERSATION IS STILL OUT THERE ON CHOICE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, WEBSITES AND TRUST NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN.

AND IT'S, UH, IN OUR MID OUR MINUTES AS FAR AND ALSO, UM, OTHER PERSONS HERE THAT HAVE HOUSING ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE TALKING ABOUT FOR LONG TIME AND AS WELL AS REALTORS.

AND SO IT'S A ROBUST CONVERSATION THAT WE NEED TO HAVE.

DID I GET YOUR PERMISSION? MORGAN, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO I HAVE THE FIND SOMETHING THAT, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T SAY THAT.

I KNOW YOU DON'T.

YOUR FRIEND SAID THAT.

I'M YOU.

I'M FINE.

REPORT FROM OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, UH, UNIT WHO HAS HIT THE BROWN, UH, RUNNING.

UH, WE HAVE A, A

[8. Report from the Executive Director.]

AND SO WE APPRECIATE OF HER AND ALL THE THINGS THAT, UH, SHE'S DOING, ALL THE PEOPLE THAT SHE'S LEADING, ALL THE PEOPLE THAT Y'ALL ARE PUTTING HER IN CONTACT, UM, WITH, UM, SO THAT SHE CAN GET A FULL LAY, UH, OF THE LAND.

SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR COOPERATION WITH HER FOR THAT.

YOU ANSWERING HER TEXTS,

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AND HER EMAILS.

WE ARE THANKFUL.

THANK YOU MS. BOLAND.

READINGS EVERYONE AGAIN.

UM, I'M JUST GONNA GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW.

IN YOUR PACKET YOU'LL SEE THAT I SUBMITTED MY REPORT.

I HAD TO DO A SUMMARY OF EVERYTHING THAT I'VE BEEN DOING.

SO IT YOU, EACH ONE YOU SHOULD GET A 30 DAY REPORT.

UM, JUST WITH A SUMMARY OF WHAT I'M DOING IN A, TRUST ME IS A SUMMARY .

UM, SO I'M GONNA JUST GIVE YOU AN IDEA.

UM, UM, SO FOR THE FIRST 90 DAYS, WHAT MY MAJORITY PLAN WAS, OF COURSE IS TO LISTEN FROM YOU GET DIRECTIVES OF WHAT DIRECTION YOU NEEDED ME TO GO AND ALSO GIMME A PRIORITY OF WHO I NEEDED TO MEET AND, AND WHAT.

SO AS I START DOING THAT, THE WORD HAS GOTTEN OUT.

SO EVEN TONIGHT AT FIVE 30, I GOT A CALL SAYING, I NEED YOU AT A MEETING AT 10 30 TOMORROW.

SO, UM, OR NOT NEED ME, BUT INVITING ME TO, BUT THEY ALSO TOLD ME THE PURPOSE.

AND THE PURPOSE WAS TO LOOK AT GRANTS AND LOOK AT VARIOUS PARTNERSHIPS.

SO I'VE BEEN DOING SEVERAL LISTENING SESSIONS.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS EXCITED ABOUT OR I AM EXCITED ABOUT, UM, TOMORROW I WAS SUPPOSED TO MEET WITH HABITAT TO SEE HOW WE COULD PARTNER AND ALSO MEET WITH THE THREE GROUPS THAT ARE IN DUFFY FIELD, PHOENIX PEOPLE'S ASSEMBLY, AND ALSO THE DUFFY FIELD.

SO I WOULD LIKE COMMENTS FOR YOU.

ANYTHING I NEED TO DO, WHATEVER YOUR DIRECTIVES, ANYTHING I NEED TO BRING UP OR NOT BRING UP.

I ALWAYS WELCOME YOUR COMMENTS AND EXPECT THAT INFORMATION FOR, UM, INFORMATION FROM YOU.

SO FOR INSTANCE, IF SOMEBODY IS, UM, TALKING TO ME ABOUT NEIGHBORHOODS I CALL THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHAIR, ANYBODY TALKING ABOUT HEALTH AND WELLNESS, I CALL THE HEALTH AND WELLNESS CHAIR.

ANYBODY TALKING ABOUT HOUSING? I'M IN THAT GROUP WITH THEM TOO.

SO, UM, I JUST WANNA THANK YOU ALL.

UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE REPORT, UM, THE ONLY THING THAT I NEED YOU GUYS TO LOOK AT, UM, WE HAVE SOME DATES THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT.

UM, BUT THIS IS A CALENDAR FOR 2023.

UM, THERE IS A WORK SESSION THAT YOU GUYS USUALLY DO IN JANUARY, THE FOURTH WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH.

SO JUST LOOKING AT THAT, YOU HAVE THE DRAFT AND JUST SEEKING YOUR APPROVAL TO THESE DATES, UM, FOR THE MEETINGS FOR 2023.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF ME, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT YOUR WORK, DO WE NEED TO ADOPT THE CALENDAR TONIGHT OR AT THE DECEMBER? YOU CAN DO IT EITHER WAY.

IF YOU'RE SATISFIED WITH THE DATES, SHE CAN ADOPT THE SCHEDULE FOR 2023 TONIGHT.

IF YOU WANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMPARE NOTES, YOU CAN DO THAT IN DECEMBER.

CAN WE APPROVE THE CALENDAR TONIGHT? IS THAT OKAY WITH EVERYBODY OR YOU? OKAY.

REMEMBER WE GOT TWO MEETINGS IN JANUARY AND THAT'S, THAT'S OKAY.

CAN WE GET A MOTION THEN TO ADOPT THE, UH, 2023 CALENDAR FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION? I MAKE THE MOTION QUESTIONS ALL IN.

THANK YOU SO, SO MUCH.

WORKING GROUP, UH, REPORTS.

UM, OUR

[9. Working Group Reports]

DO WE HAVE ANYTHING, UH, FURTHER FOR HEALTH AND WELLNESS TONIGHT, MR. WALLACE? HOW LONG AGO DAY? RIGHT? UM, YES, I WAS ACTUALLY TRYING TO FIND THAT OVER.

UM, WE'VE HAD, UH, SEVERAL MEETINGS.

UH, WE WENT AND TALKED TO, UM, THERE'S GONNA BE A CHANGE OF LEADERSHIP, UM, OUT WITH ONE OF OUR PARTNERS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO AND MERCY CLINIC MERCY.

SHE'S LEAVING DECEMBER, SO WE'RE WAITING ON THE NEXT PERSON THAT COMES SO WE CAN START DISCUSSIONS WITH THAT.

BUT WE HAD A FRUITFUL MEETING WITH HER TO SEE WHERE THEY CAN FIT IN IF WE KNOW WHAT THEIR LIMITATIONS ARE AS WELL.

AND WE WERE, THAT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION.

UM, WE STILL HAVE AN ONGOING DISCUSSION WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.

THEY'RE ALL IN.

UM, I HAVE A MEETING NEXT WEEK WITH, UH, TAMBOURINE MM-HMM.

, AMBER TAMBOURINE, I YESTERDAY MM-HMM.

UM, AND SHE'S ACTUALLY SENT ME A, A LIST OF THINGS THAT SHE CAN CONTRIBUTE, UM OKAY.

FROM, FROM DURING THAT, DURING THAT TIME.

UH, BUT BY THE TIME WE GET TO THAT POINT, AS KIP WAS SAYING EARLIER, UM, IN THE SPRING, UM, WE SHOULD HAVE A DETAILED, UM, SUGGESTION OF WHAT SHOULD GO IN THERE AND WHAT WE'RE AND WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO.

UM, AND WE'RE STILL AT THE HYBRID, WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE WE CAN CALL THIS HYBRID AS FAR AS SERVICES.

DOING SOME, SOME TYPE OF LAB WORK AND SOME THERE.

THEN ALL OF, ALL OF THOSE ENTITIES COME WITH SPECIFICATIONS THAT YOU HAVE TO MEET MM-HMM BE VIA THE HEALTH CODE AND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AT STATE.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO IRON OUT ALL THAT SO WHEN THE BUILDING IS FINISHED THAT WE WON'T, WON'T MISS A BEAT.

WE GO RIGHT IN AND WE'LL START, START OVER.

WHO IS MY CONTACT FOR MEMORANDUM? BUT IS IT YOU, EUGENE? OKAY, GOOD.

LET ME, I'LL ASK YOU, AND I GUESS THIS IS A, UM, QUESTION FOR, UM, COMMUNICATIONS.

ARE WE DOING MEMORANDUMS OF AGREEMENT WITH ALL OF THEM OR DO WE NEED TO OR YES.

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ALRIGHT.

SO, UM, NO CAROLINA CENTRAL DUKE, UM, HAVE BOTH STRESSED THAT AND AGAIN, WE STILL GOTTA HAVE THOSE MEETINGS TO FINALIZE WHAT NEEDS TO GO IN IT.

THEY SUPPOSED TO GIVE US WHAT THEY NEED AND NOT SUPPOSED TO CONSULT WITH OUR PEOPLE TO SEE WHAT WE SUPPOSED TO, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT TOGETHER AND THEN WE'LL EXCHANGE AND GET 'EM SIGNED AND MAKE SURE Y'ALL VOTE, FOLLOW THE PROCESS THAT WE NEED TO DO TO GET THOSE.

BUT WE SHOULD HAVE THOSE THAT'S LOW HANGING.

WE SHOULD HAVE THOSE UH, BY THE JANUARY.

ALRIGHT.

AND YOU'VE ALL HAD LOST CONVERSATION WITH CAROLINA EAST, HAD CONVERSATION WITH ANY CARE? CAROLINA EAST YET? CAROLINA EAST? NO, IT'S JUST THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW.

UM, YEAH, IT'S JUST THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT NOW.

CAUSE THAT, THAT, THAT WAS WHERE WE DISCUSSED THE UH, WE MIGHT NOT NEED HIM.

CAROLINE, CAROLINE STILL ON BOARD? I WAS JUST WITH JUST LAST WEEK.

AND WE HAVE ADD OUR COMMITTEE MEETING SO I COULD BE UPDATED ON THAT.

JUST WANTED MAKE SURE YOU CAN, IT WAS BROUGHT UP IN ONE ME ONE OF MY MEETINGS AND SO.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP THAT MR. MORGAN, BEFORE I GIVE, SHARE MY REPORT, COULD YOU REMIND ME AGAIN OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS WHO ARE WITH ME ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD? I HAVE NOT DONE MY DUE DILIGENCE IN MAKING SURE THAT I HAVE CONTACTED EVERYBODY.

UM, COMMISSIONER DAY TRIP, RIGHT.

THAT'S IT BECAUSE, UM, STEPHANIE LOVE IT.

CONJUNCTION WITH THE COMMUNITY, WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND WITH THE GROUPS TO BE ABLE TO, TO COME OUT, UH, DO A COMMUNITY SWEEP.

UH, WHAT I HAVE, WHAT I HAVE BEEN BLESSED WITH IS MORE SO A BENEFIT OF CLERGY, SO TO SPEAK.

AND MY BENEFIT OF CLERGY IN A SAVING GRACE HAS BEEN MR. MARVIN WILLIAMS BECAUSE I CAN CONTACT HIM.

, HE'S ALWAYS THERE AND HE ANSWERS MY QUESTION FOR ME.

HE THE PHONE TOO.

SO PUBLIC.

MR. WILLIAMS. UH, I HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH MRS. ANN SHOUT, AND AS YOU WELL KNOW THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMITTEE IS A LITTLE BIT BEHIND AS IT RELATED TO TIMEFRAME THAT WE NEEDED TO GET OUT AND HAVE A FEW SMALL VICTORIES, UH, AS IT RELATED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP AND MAKING THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA LOOK A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

THE LANDSCAPE CHANGES WITH EVERY SEASON, UH, BECAUSE OF THE FROST LINE, BECAUSE OF THE OVERGROWN FOLIAGE, BECAUSE OF THE LEAVES, BECAUSE YOU WILL NOT HAVE NOT SEE, AND WE DON'T SEE, UH, STREET SWEEPER TRUCKS TO COME DOWN INTO THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA.

I'VE NEVER SEEN ONE IN THAT AREA.

UH, SO YOU GET LEAVES THAT BUILD UP ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, YOU DON'T GET A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING OUT SWEEPING.

AND SO THE LANDSCAPE CHANGES UNTIL THE HIGH WINDS COME AND BLOWS THE LEAVES, BLOWS THE TRASH, AND IT LANDS WHEREVER IT'S GONNA LAND.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, UH, I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH MRS. ANN SHOCK, WHO HAS SCHEDULED A DECEMBER THE SECOND AND DECEMBER THE THIRD.

COMMUNITY CLEANUP, UH, THAT WILL BE STARTING AT THE HENDERSON PARK, UM, CANOPY AT 8:00 AM ON THAT FRIDAY MORNING AND WILL LAST TILL RIGHT AFTER LUNCH.

ABOUT ONE O'CLOCK LUNCH WILL BE DONATED BY MRS. E BELL SAMPSON, UH, WHO WORKS VERY WELL WITH ANNE SH AND RIGHT NOW WITH THE ELKS LODGE, WITH THE RESIDENCE COUNCIL, THE PEOPLE'S ASSEMBLY AND WITH THE PHOENIX GROUP.

AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS IF IT BE THE WILL OF THE, UM, COMMISSION, IF WE WOULD LIKE TO PARTNER WITH THEM, WE HAVE DEFINITELY, UH, BEEN INVITED TO.

I'M BIG ON PARTNERSHIPS.

UM, IT'S A TIME THAT WE COULD, UH, ALL GET TOGETHER.

WE COULD IDENTIFY WHO SOME OF THESE GROUPS ARE, USE THEM AS, UM, LIAISONS TO THE COMMUNITY AND ALSO WITH SOME OF THE RESOURCES THAT MR. WILLIAMS BRINGS TO THE TABLE AND CAN PRO PROVIDE.

SO I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP IF IT BE YOUR WILL AND IF IT BE YOUR DESIRE THAT WE DO PARTNER WITH THEM SO THAT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND START THIS, CREATE SOME VISUALS OF WHERE THEY NOT ONLY SEE BOOTS ON THE GROUND, SEE THE CITY WORKING IN

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NOT GOING INTO PRIVATE YARDS, NOT GOING INTO ANYWHERE BUT ON THE STREET SIDE AND PICKING UP DEBRIS AND GARBAGE.

UM, THAT HAS EITHER BLOWN OVER BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF TRASH BINS, THE LACK OF, UM, RECYCLABLES BEING PICKED UP AS THEY PROBABLY SHOULD BE.

BUT THAT'S ANOTHER DISCUSSION.

UM, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD TIME.

UH, I DO HAVE A FEW ANSWERS IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS AS IT RELATES TO WHY I AM IN FAVOR OF PARTNERING WITH THIS GROUP AND ALSO, UH, UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF MR. WILLIAMS WITH HIM USING HIS RESOURCES AND LETTING US KNOW WHAT WE WOULD BE, UM, ABLE TO BE ABLE TO USE FROM, UH, PUBLIC WORKS FROM THE CITY OF NEW BERN AND JUST HOW THEY WOULD BE ABLE ALONG WITH MRS. TRICIA, WITH WHAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO ADD AND, AND OFFER SO THAT WE CAN HAVE SOME OF THOSE RENTERS AND SOME OF THOSE HOMEOWNERS WHO SEE.

UM, I STILL TELL THE STORY OF WHEN I WOKE UP COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, ONE SATURDAY, AND I SAW FOUR POLICE CARS OUTSIDE OF MY DOOR.

AND I IMMEDIATELY GOT DRESSED, CAME OUTSIDE, WALKED AROUND THE CORNER AND THERE WERE EIGHT POLICE OFFICERS ABOUT 7 30, 8 O'CLOCK IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD WITH TRASH BAGS CLEANING UP MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND THERE WERE NO OTHER COMMUNITY MEMBERS, NONE OF MY NEIGHBORS WERE OUT.

AND TO SEE THOSE GUYS, IT REALLY WARMED MY HEART.

SO WHAT I DID WAS I WENT, I GOT SOME OF THE COMMUNITY HAD TO, UM, COME ON AND GET YOUR SONS UP, GET YOUR DAUGHTERS UP, AND IF THESE GUYS CAN GET OUT HERE WHO PROTECT US EVERY DAY, YOUR CHILDREN NEED TO BE OUT HERE HELPING US TOO.

AND NOT ONLY DID THEY SEND SOME OF THEIR SONS AND DAUGHTERS OUT, SOME OF THE ADULTS CAME OUT ALSO.

SO IT'S CONTAGIOUS WHEN YOU'RE GETTING A LITTLE BIT OF ATTENTION AND WHEN YOU SEE THAT SOMEONE ELSE CARES AND THAT THEY'RE COMING INTO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S GOING TO BE INFECTIOUS, IT'S GONNA CATCH FIRE.

BUT WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO OUR PART.

AND AS I SAID, I'M BIG ON OPTICS.

I WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO CHANGE THE LANDSCAPE.

THESE COULD BE SMALL VICTORIES SO THAT WHEN SOME OF THE COMMUNITIES RIDING UP AND DOWN THESE SAME STREETS AND WALKING THAT WE DO EVERY SINGLE DAY IN THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA, THEY WILL SEE, HEY, THIS HAS CHANGED.

THEY HAVE CLEANED IT UP.

THEY WILL TEND TO TRY TO KEEP IT A LITTLE MORE CLEAN BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED AT THE LAST TWO COMMUNITY CLEANUPS THAT WE HAD.

UM, IT WAS A GREAT START.

WE JUST NEED TO CONTINUE IT AND WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT BUY IN FROM THE COMMUNITY.

ONCE AGAIN, I WANTED TO THANK MR. MARVIN.

WE'RE GONNA GET TOGETHER AND TRY TO, UM, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ON THE STAY ON THE SAME PAGE.

THANK YOU, MS. PATRICIA.

THANK YOU TO ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS.

IF ANYBODY HAD ANY QUESTIONS, UH, AS IT RELATED TO THE DECEMBER AND DECEMBER 3RD, DECEMBER 2ND AND DECEMBER 3RD, COMMUNITY CLEANUP, IF I COULD ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, I WILL AT THIS TIME.

ANY QUESTIONS? SO THAT IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU PARTNER, UH, WITH THEM AND YOU WILL FIND OUT WHAT THAT PARTNERING ENTAILS AND LET US KNOW WHAT ELSE WE NEED TO DO.

THERE WAS ONE OTHER, UM, INSTANCE ALSO THAT THERE WAS IN THE PAST, WHEN THEY HAD THEIR COMMUNITY CLEANUP, THERE WAS INER, CERTAIN INSURANCES THAT WERE NEEDED AND THAT WERE REQUIRED.

UH, I THINK THOSE MONIES WOULD COME THROUGH, UH, HABITAT BECAUSE THEY PARTNERED WITH THE DIFFERENT GROUPS AND WOULD COVER THAT INSURANCE.

UM, AND OF COURSE IF WE'RE GOING TO BE PARTNERING WITH THEM, THERE WILL BE A FEE OF SOME INSURANCES.

COULD YOU YOU EXPLAIN THE INSURANCE SITUATION? JUST THE, WHAT WE HAVE TO HAVE, EITHER YOU OR MISS BOEN, MISS PATRICIA.

I'M NOT INTIMATELY AWARE OF WHAT TYPE OF INSURANCES THEY'VE HAD IN THE PAST AND IT COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, MR. WILLIAMS SINCE, UH, THE BEST I KNOW IS A LIABILITY INSURANCE CHILD, $400.

FOR THAT I GET HER COVERAGE.

NEVER HAVE SPENT MONEY THAT SURELY THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO COVER, UH, IF WE DON'T EVEN AT LEAST TRY TO GET IT DONE.

SO THAT IS ONE THING THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE THAT IF WE WERE TO PARTNER WITH THEM, THEN I WOULD MOST CERTAINLY THINK THAT BECAUSE THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD COMMITTEE IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT COMMITTEES THAT WE HAVE AND SPEND THE LESS MONEY AND DON'T HAVE A BUDGET AND

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, BECAUSE WE DEAL WITH OPTICS AND BECAUSE WHEN YOU COME OUT AND YOU WANT TO SEE THE BEAUTIFICATION OF THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT'S THE FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE IS BEAUTIFICATION AND SAFETY.

MR. THANK ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANYONE? OKAY.

AND, AND COMMISSION.

MORGAN, THE, THE CLEANUP THAT YOU FORECASTED WILL OCCUR BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING OF THIS COMMISSION, DECEMBER 2ND AND THIRD.

THAT IS CORRECT.

SO IT MAY BE THAT IF YOU KNOW YOU'RE INCLINED TO RESPOND TO COMMISSION MORGAN'S REQUEST, HE MIGHT NEED AN ANSWER BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING.

MAKE A MOTION THAT WE PARTNER WITH THE CLEANUP AND, UH, FUND THE INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CLEANUP SESSION NOT TO EXCEED 400 HOURS.

QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? I NATE, I HAVE IT.

SO THEN THAT GIVES AN UP OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK INTO IT SO WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT'S OKAY.

GREAT.

UM, DO YOU HAVE UH, ANY OTHER REPORTING FROM THE HOUSING WORK GROUP? YES.

I, I MIGHT BE, I YIELD TO MS. WALKER.

WELL, THE GOOD NEWS IS THE HOUSE IS FINALLY SET AND READY TO BE REHABILITATED.

WE HAVE A CONTRACTOR WHO IS WILLING TO NEGOTIATE WITH US TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

HE HAS GOT ALL OF HIS DOCUMENTATION IN PLACE WHERE WE JUST NEED TO SIT DOWN, LOOK AT IT.

HE'S HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WALK THROUGH THE BUILDING.

AND ACTUALLY, UM, I THINK THIS IS APPROPRIATE TO SAY THE CONTRACTOR IS IN THE ROOM TONIGHT.

IT IS, UM, MR. ED MUNFORD WITH THE THIRD AND THAT'S WHAT I CALL IT CUZ HIS NAME IS REALLY LONG .

WE ARE MEETING ON TUESDAY MORNING TO TALK ABOUT THE BEST, UH, PATH FORWARD AND I'D LIKE TO GET WITH YOU PATRIC ABOUT THAT, UM, FUNDING WISE AND EVERYTHING.

AND GET WHAT A START, YOU KNOW, HOW SOON WE CAN GET STARTED ON THAT.

AND THIS BE A RENTAL? IT'S GONNA BE RENTAL.

WHO'S GOING MANAGE IT? GOOD QUESTION.

YOU KNOW, CUZ CUZ YOU KNOW WHEN I FIRST THAT'S ALRIGHT.

WE'LL DISCUSS THIS AT WORK SESSION.

I DON'T NEED DISCUSS THIS.

I DON'T DISCUSS THIS.

SO IS THERE ANYTHING THAT ANYBODY ELSE WE NEED TO DO WITH IT? THERE IS NOT BECAUSE WE'VE APPROVED EVERYTHING.

WE APPROVED THE, THE BID LAST TIME AND SO WE ARE, WE'RE JUST WAITING.

HE WANTED TO GET IN THERE AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT CAUSE IT WAS BOARDED UP.

AND HE WAS, UM, NOT ABLE TO HONE HIS BID AS CAREFULLY AS HE WOULD LIKE.

SO WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS THAT ON TUESDAY.

COULD YOU KIND OF GIVE US AN IDEA OF WHAT THE REHAB COST PER SQUARE FOOT IS ON THE TED? YES, I HAVE THAT INFORMATION AND I, THAT'S VERY INTERESTING BECAUSE BACK TO THE BLUEFIELD HOUSE, YOU KNOW, HONESTLY I THINK THAT BID WAS PROBABLY A LITTLE LOW IF WE'RE LOOKING AT REHAB NUMBERS.

THE REHAB NUMBERS FOR THIS HOUSE IS $156 A SQUARE FOOT, WHICH, UM, ALL TOLD WITH EVERYTHING INCLUDED, UH, THE BID IS $205,000.

AND LIKE I SAID, I I, I KNOW THAT'S GONNA COME DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT BASED ON SOME VALUE ENGINEERING THAT WE HAVE.

THAT'S THE COST OF WHAT THINGS ARE RIGHT NOW.

BUT JUST SO EVERYBODY HAS A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF LIKE AN H B A C SYSTEM, A BRAND NEW ONE FOR THAT.

THAT'S A VERY SMALL HOUSE.

THAT HOUSE IS 1300 SQUARE FEET.

MACAU HOUSE IS 3,200 SQUARE FEET AND I'M, I'M JUST USING THE MACAU HOUSE.

SO WE HAVE A REFERENCE OF WHERE, WHY THOSE NUMBERS WERE SO HIGH.

SO, YOU KNOW, AS ARCHITECTS, WHEN WE MAKE AN ESTIMATE OF SOMETHING, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT OUR ESTIMATE IS UNTIL THE CONTRACTOR SAYS WHAT IT IS.

UM, AND THAT'S THE TRUTH.

YOU KNOW, WE BID, I MEAN WE ESTIMATED FOR THE MACAU HOUSE A $40,000, UM, H V A C SYSTEM.

AND THEN FOR THE UBANKS HOUSE, THE ACTUAL COST OF THAT IS $20,000.

THE ELECTRICAL WIRING FOR THE HOUSE, IT'S GONNA COST AROUND $10,000.

THE PLUMBING FOR THE HOUSE, WHICH IS JUST PUTTING IN NEW FIXTURES AND IT'S ONE BATHROOM, IT'S $10,000.

AND THAT, THAT, THAT'S,

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UM, INTERIOR INNOVATIONS AND EXTERIOR REPAIRS.

AND I WILL SAY THIS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU MOVE A HOUSE, YOU'VE GOTTA REDO THE WALLS.

YOU'VE GOTTA, IT DOESN'T JUST MOVE AND IT'S GOOD TO GO.

IT, IT MESSES EVERYTHING UP.

IT WIGGLES THE JOINTS.

YOU HAVE TO TAKE ALL THE DRYWALL OFF THE WALLS, PUT IT BACK ON.

AND SO THE INTERIOR RENOVATIONS, EXTERIOR REPAIRS, UM, IS $165,000 FOR THAT HOUSE.

SO TO LOOK AT THE FINANCIAL, UM, THE ECONOMIC, DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO MOVE THE MACAU HOUSE YOU NEED, YOU'D BE LOOKING AT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO DO THAT.

AND IT WASN'T CHEAP TO MOVE THIS HOUSE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

NO, NO IT WAS NOT.

AND THE MOVING COMPANY HAD IT HANG, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SAY HANGING THERE FOREVER.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE DECIDED AND SOMETHING WE WANTED THEM TO DO.

BUT THAT, THAT'S HOW IT WAS.

SO I, I WOULD FORESEE, AND ALSO WHEN WE MOVED THIS HOUSE, WHEN WE MOVED THE GAS HOUSE, IT HAD A UM, A FAMILY ROOM ADDITION THAT WAS ALMOST AS BIG AS THE HOUSE COULD NOT BE MOVED WITH THE HOUSE.

WE HAD TO DEMOLISH THAT.

AND YOU KNOW, JUST AS A POINT OF REFERENCE FOR THE MACAU HOUSE THAT'D BE TAKING THAT WHOLE GARAGE AND SECOND STORY MOVE ABOVE THE GARAGE OFF.

CAUSE I DON'T THINK THOSE TWO THINGS WOULD MOVE TOGETHER.

SO JUST, IT HELPS ME TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, IT'S EASY TO THROW OUT SOMETHING AND SAY, OH, THAT, THAT'S WAY TOO EXPENSIVE.

BUT HOPEFULLY HEARING SOME OF THESE NUMBERS HELPS EVERYBODY HERE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE ESTIMATE THAT WE PUT FORTH, UM, IN 19 20 19, SORRY, 2021 FOR THE MACAU HOUSE IS PROBABLY WOEFULLY UNDERBID, UH, BASED ON TODAY'S CONSTRUCTION COST.

MRS. BETH, IF I COULD VERY QUICKLY, AND THE QUESTION, AND I'M GONNA SPEAK FOR, FOR MY FRIEND OVER HERE TOO THAT WE ASKED WAS NOT BECAUSE WE WERE LOBBYING NOT TO DEMOLISH THE HOUSE.

WHEN WE HAVE TO PREPARE OURSELVES FOR WHEN IT IS DEMOLISHED THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW THE ANSWERS AND THE QUESTION WELL, WE KNOW THE QUESTIONS RIGHT.

THAT WILL BE FORTHCOMING ON THE DAY THAT THEY SEE THE BULLDOZERS.

AND THEY MAY NOT COME TO YOU, THEY MAY NOT COME TO KIP, PROBABLY GONNA COME TO, BUT I KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GONNA COME TO.

AND MR. WALLACE KNOWS WHERE THEY'RE GONNA COME TO.

AND SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE PREPARED, THAT WE HAVE ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS AND NOT JUST GIVING THEM A LINE ITEM TO SAY, HEY, IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE.

BUT HAVE REASONING AND HAVE A PLAN AND NOT JUST TO HAVE A PLAN UP TILL NEXT WEEK.

WE HAVE TO HAVE THEM TO BE ABLE TO CREATE A VISUAL SO THAT IT NOT ONLY AS WE SAY MCDONALDS, IT MAKES SENSE.

YOUR AND ROBBIE, YOU ARE SO RIGHT.

IT IS ABOUT THE OPTICS AND WHAT PEOPLE SEE AND WHAT PEOPLE ARE ANTICIPATING.

SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO GO THROUGH THOSE NUMBERS.

CAUSE IT'LL HELP YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT JUST, I MEAN, WHEN I SAID IT EARLIER, YOU KNOW, THE ORIGINAL COST ESTIMATE WE HAD FOR THE MACAU HOUSE WAS $410,000 FOR RENOVATE IT.

AND THAT WAS ONLY AT $128 A SQUARE FOOT.

WHEREAS REHABILITATING THIS HOUSE THAT WE'RE GETTING READY TO DO REAL, REAL NUMBERS FROM THE INDUSTRY IS $156 A SQUARE FOOT.

WOW.

SO IF WE BID IT TOMORROW, I BET IT WOULD COST MORE THAN MY ESTIMATE OF 410.

SO IT CONCERNED ME BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN, I'M JUST GONNA CALL 'EM WHAT THEY ARE AS RUMORS FLYING AROUND THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY SAID IT COULD BE DONE FOR THIS OR THAT 150,000.

AND I WOULD, I MEAN ON THE, YOU KNOW, THE HOUSING WORK GROUP WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE IT'S NOT AVAILABLE TO US OR HADN'T BEEN PRESENTED TO US.

AND SO IT'S KIND OF DANGEROUS TO HAVE INFORMATION THAT IS NOT REALLY THAT IT, I UNDERSTAND.

JUST BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN PLACED ON AN ISLAND AND YOU ALL HAVE US SITTING OVER HERE BY OURSELVES, , IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE DON'T THANKING MRS. I MEAN MAD.

WE, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE DON'T RESPECT SUPPORT AND BELIEVE IN THE WORK THAT'S BEING DONE.

DON'T, DON'T COME OVER HERE NOW OVER THERE.

THAT, THAT WE DO CARE.

WE RESPECT WHAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE WITH THE DIFFERENT WORKING GROUPS AND THE NUMBERS AND THE TIME AND EFFORT THAT HAS GONE INTO THIS.

AND NOT JUST TO COME IN AT THE LAST MINUTE AND SAY, NOW THAT YOU'RE READY TO DEMOLISH THIS, WE WANT TO THROW A WRINKLE IN.

THAT'S NOT OUR AT ALL.

THAT'S GONNA GET THE QUESTIONS.

I DIDN'T THINK YOU WAS NO .

SO I JUST WANTED YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT YOU DO HAVE OUR SUPPORT, BUT I WANT YOU TO HAVE THE NUMBERS AND THE FIGURES THAT YOU KNOW, THAT MAKE SENSE? CAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT.

YOU'RE THE ONE

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ABSOLUTELY.

YOU'RE THE ONE THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO ANSWER.

AND, AND IN REALITY, THIS TYPE OF INFORMATION ALSO GOES TO A BIGGER QUESTION IN DUCKING FIELD ABOUT REHABBING STRUCTURES.

YOU'VE BEEN IN SOME OF THE EARLY ONES WE WERE ASKED TO TAKE A LOOK AT TO SEE IF WE COULD SAVE.

AND THERE WASN'T ANY WAY.

I MEAN RIGHT.

AND, AND TWO THINGS COME OUT OF THAT.

I THINK AS A QUASI-GOVERNMENTAL TYPE OF THING, WE'RE GONNA BE HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD OF OUR REHABBING PROJECTS AND, AND WHAT WE CREATE FOR HOUSING FOR PEOPLE.

SO IT'S GONNA COST A LITTLE BIT MORE.

AND, AND THE OTHER THING THAT WHEN YOU GO INTO REHAB, A STRUCTURE, IF THE COST OF REHABBING EXCEEDS 50% OF THE VALUE OF THE HOUSE, YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO BRING THE WHOLE THING UP THE COAST AND, YOU KNOW, THE HOUSES WE WERE LOOKING AT WERE WORTH $20,000.

WELL IF YOU GO IN THERE $10,000, IT DOESN'T EVEN KEEP GETTING PAINTED BUYS BATHROOM.

SO THERE'S A REAL, REAL DISCONNECT THERE THAT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND ON THE REHAB SIDE.

AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT AT OUR MEETING OBVIOUSLY, THAT WE'RE LOOKING MORE TOWARDS, FROM AN ECONOMIC STANDPOINT TOWARDS NEW CONSTRUCTION.

THAT THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT A DUFFY FIELD THING.

THAT IS, THAT IS THE ANYWHERE, ANYWHERE, YOU KNOW, DOWNTOWN HOUSES AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ANYWHERE.

I LIVE IN AN OLD HOUSE, NOT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, THANK GOODNESS.

BUT, UM, IT COSTS MORE TO REHAB AN OLD BUILDING THAN IT COSTS TO BUILD NEW END OF STORY.

LET SHARE THIS WITH THEM, KIM, IF I WILL, VERY QUICKLY, BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW KI UM, FOR SOME REASON THERE HAS BEEN A, UM, WORK THAT HAS GOTTEN OUT NOT TO SELL OR PURCHASE ANY PROPERTY IN DUFFY FIELD WITHOUT AT LEAST COMING AND FOR SOME REASON EITHER CALLING ME OR ALLOWING ME TO PUT THEM IN CONTACT WITH SOMEBODY.

I THINK I'VE GIVEN YOU MAYBE 10 PROPERTIES IN THE LAST TWO TO THREE MONTHS OF PERSONS THAT HAVE EITHER LIVED OUT OF TOWN, THAT OWN PROPERTY THAT WANT TO SELL PROPERTY, OR PERSONS THAT WANT TO BUY PROPERTY.

AND IT'S NOT A COP OUT, BUT I'VE JUST PUT EVERYBODY IN CONTACT WITH KIM OR WHETHER I'LL SEND HIM THE PARCEL NUMBERS, THE ADDRESSES, AND HE WILL GET BACK WITH ME AND LET ME KNOW WHETHER THEY'RE VIABLE OR NOT.

SO THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT HAS BEEN VERY, VERY GOOD, IS THAT THE WORD IS GETTING OUT.

IT'S NOT JUST HERE IN NEW BERN, IT'S TRAVELING TO ATLANTA, TO WASHINGTON DC TO SOME OF THESE, UH, NEXT GENERATION OF FOLKS THAT DON'T LIVE HERE IN NEW BERN THAT ACTUALLY OWN THESE PROPERTIES IN DUFFY FIELD.

THEY JUST HAPPEN TO BE ONES THAT WERE NOT GONNA BE VIABLE TO BE PURCHASED BY THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION.

BUT THERE ARE PROPERTIES THAT ARE FOR SALE AND THERE ARE PROPERTIES THAT ARE TO BE PURCHASED.

AND WE HAD ANOTHER GUY FROM ATLANTA JUST THE OTHER DAY WHO WANTS TO BUY SOME PROPERTY ON UBANK STREET TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK AND, BUT THERE'S A NATURAL ORDER.

BUT JUST TO LET YOU ALL KNOW, SO THERE IS A BUZZ GOING AROUND TO SAY, HEY, LET'S REINVEST BACK IN DUFFY FIELD OR LET'S EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY, I'M SORRY, IN THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA, OR LET'S EXPLORE WHAT THE POSSIBILITIES ARE.

SO I LOOK AT THAT AS A PLUS.

AND, AND THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR HELP.

UH, IS THERE, UH, ANYTHING ELSE MR. WILLIAMS? ANYTHING FROM YOU? NO.

MR. BRIDGE? NO, NO ISSUES.

WELL OUR NEXT MEETING IS DECEMBER IS UH, 14TH.

AND OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING IS NOVEMBER THE 30TH FROM TWO 30 ALREADY.

WELL BOARD, IS THAT RIGHT HERE? CALL FOR THAT SPECIAL MEETING.

WELL, BEFORE WE GO WE GOT DO ONE MORE MOTION CALL FOR THE SPECIAL.

COMMISSIONER PARHAM'S MOTION IS TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING ON NOVEMBER 30TH AT FOUR 4:00 PM IN THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES CONFERENCE ROOM.

TO DISCUSS STRATEGIC PLANNING.