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THAT'S OFFICIAL.

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YEAH.

OKAY.

[1. Opening of Meeting with Roll Call ]

IT BEING THE, THE TIME WE CALL A MEETING TO ORDER.

COULD WE HAVE A ROLL CALL? YES.

UM, JIM BISBY CHAIR HERE.

TRIP URIE.

VICE CHAIR HERE.

MOLLY BALES.

DR.

RUTH COX.

PRESENT.

JIM MORRIS.

HERE.

UH, MORRISON.

SORRY.

GREGORY RUSH.

HERE.

CANDACE SULLIVAN.

PRESENT.

TIM THOMPSON.

HERE.

AND MARK BARTNER HERE.

OKAY.

WE HAVE A QUO.

THANK YOU.

ARE THERE MINUTES TO APPROVE? I DIDN'T, UH, NO, THERE ARE NOTHING TONIGHT.

OKAY.

WE WILL,

[4.A. Hearings: Introduction, Swearing-In, Summary of Process ]

DO WE HAVE FOLKS TO SWEAR IN? UH, SURE.

WELL DO YOU, YOU'RE GONNA DO THE I CAN DO THAT OTHER STUFF.

WE NEED YOU TO DO THAT EVERY TIME.

YEAH.

HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION IS A PUBLIC COMMISSION APPOINTED BY THE CITY OF NEWBURN, BO BOARD OF ALDERMAN, AND WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR PRESERVING AND SAFEGUARDING NEW BURN'S.

LOCALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICT, DOWNTOWN AND RIVERSIDE BASED ON US DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR GUIDELINES, STATE STATUTE, CITY ORDINANCES, AND NEW BURNS.

HISTORIC GUIDELINES.

TWO OF THE MAJOR TASKS OF H HP C ARE APPROVING APPLICATIONS FOR CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS AND PREVENTING DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT.

THE H HPC HOLDS QUASI JUDICIAL HEARINGS OF THIS IS ONE.

UH, ON AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSIONERS HEAR SWORN TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT, BY PARTIES WHO HAVE RECEIVED NOTICE AND OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT COMMENTS.

COMMISSION CAN CONSIDER COMMENTS, CANNOT CONSIDER COMMENTS BASED ON PERSONAL LIKES AND, AND DISLIKES.

HEARSAY, PERSONAL OPINION, NOT BACKED UP BY FACTS AND RELATED TO THE GUIDELINES.

AND LIKEWISE, THE COMMISSIONERS WILL REFRAIN FROM, UH, STATING PERSONAL OPINIONS, ET CETERA.

HEARSAY, AND THE APP.

OUR DECISIONS ARE BASED SOLELY ON THE TESTIMONY AND THE APPLICATION AND THE GUIDELINES.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

READY TO, CAN YOU, UH, STAND FORWARD AND RAISE YOUR HAND? SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE.

SWEAR.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

BE SEATED.

OKAY.

YOU ALREADY SIGNED THE, ON THERE.

NOW IT'S

[Items 4.B. & 4.C. ]

MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FIRST TWO ARE GOING TO BE CONTINUED.

YOU CAN ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CONTINUE THOSE ITEMS. YES, SIR.

CAN WE DO 'EM AT ONE MOTION FOR BOTH, OR DO WE NEED TWO MOTIONS? SO LONG AS THE MOTION IS UNANIMOUS, YOU CAN DO 'EM TOGETHER.

OKAY.

DO WE, MR. CHAIRMAN, DO WE HAVE A, A REASON JUSTIFICATION FOR CONTINUING EITHER BOTH, UH, BEYOND THEY'RE NOT HERE.

YES.

SO, UH, IN THE CASE OF 3 0 5 NORTH AVENUE, THE APPLICATION IS NOT YET READY.

OKAY.

UH, AND BECAUSE THEY'RE PRE, UM, PREPARING SOME OF THE, UH, DOCUMENTS THAT WERE REQUESTED THE LAST TIME, UH, AND SECONDLY IS, UH, FOR 100 MIDDLE STREET, UH, THEY'RE STILL, UH, NEGOTIATING THE, UM, ISSUE REGARDING THE OWNERSHIP OF THE LAND.

YEAH.

OKAY.

FOR THEIR RIGHT TO USE IT.

OKAY.

SO WE'LL NEED A, A MOTION TO CONTINUE TO THE MEETING OF APRIL.

WHAT'S THE DATE? 19TH, APRIL 19TH.

19TH AT FIVE 30 AT, AT THIS LOCATION AND WITH THE TWO ADDRESSES.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CONTINUE THE HEARING FOR 3 0 5 NORTH AVENUE AND 100 MIDDLE STREET TO APRIL 19TH, UH, 5:30 PM CITY HALL CONFERENCE ROOM.

THAT'S, UH, OUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING, UH, FOR 3 0 5.

THE APPLICATION, UH, IS NOT COMPLETE YET, BASED ON REQUESTS THAT WE MADE AT THE DESIGN REVIEW FOR THIS APPLICATION AND FOR 100 MINERAL STREET.

UH, THEY'RE STILL NEGOTIATING WITH THE CITY CONCERN CONCERNING, UM, ADJACENT PROPERTY ISSUES.

OKAY.

YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD.

YOU'RE LIKE IT.

OKAY.

YES, SIR.

IS THERE A SECOND FOR THAT MOTION? THAT WORKS.

SECOND.

SOMEBODY SECOND.

SECONDED? YES.

OKAY.

ALL IN FAVOR, STATE AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSED? OKAY.

THOSE TWO ARE CONTINUED.

SO WE'RE READY FOR 8, 8 20.

WE HAVE NO ONE ELSE.

SO THERE, I GUESS THERE ARE NO ADDITIONS TO THE, TO THE AGENDA POTENTIALLY.

OH, THAT'S CORRECT.

UH, NO SUBTRACTION.

SO READY

[4.D. 820 Broad St. – to include brick walls and wood fencing in all AVCs. ]

FOR EIGHT 20 BROAD STREET.

OKAY.

UM, I'LL, I'LL DO A PRESENTATION FIRST FOR YOU.

UH, YES, SIR.

ALRIGHT.

GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT.

HERE WE GO.

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THIS MUST BE, UM, THIS IS THE APPLICATION RIGHT HERE FOR EIGHT 20, UH, BROAD STREET.

AND THE APPLICATION HAS BEEN COMPLETED HERE ON THE FRONT PAGE AND THEN ALSO ON THE BACK PAGE.

AND IT HAS BEEN SIGNED AND DATED, AND I HAVE IN MY POSSESSION THE, UM, UH, AUTHORIZATION FORM FOR MR. SHIMER CORRECT.

TO REPRESENT THE OWNERS ON THIS.

SO, THE, UH, PROJECT HAS BEEN REVISED SINCE THE DESIGN REVIEW MEETING.

UH, THE, UH, EXTENT TO THE PROJECT IS STILL THE SAME.

YOU CAN SEE ON THIS, UH, UH, PLAN VIEW STILL INCLUDES THE, UH, UH, WALLS ALONG THE FRONTAGE THAT ARE SHOWN HERE IN ORANGE, AND THEN A SEPARATE, UH, A BRICK, SEPARATE BRICK WALL SHOWN IN BLUE.

AND THEN THE GREEN LINE REPRESENTS A WOODEN FENCE.

UH, OH.

AND THEY DO DESCRIBE THAT HERE.

UM, THE ONE ON THE FRONT IS A THREE FOOT HIGH WITH THE LATTICE, OR THEY CALL IT HONEYCOMB BRICK WALL.

UH, AND THEN THE BLUE ONE IS TO BE A FOUR FOOT SOLID BRICK WALL, AND THE GREEN ONE IS TO BE A SIX FOOT WOODEN PRIVACY FENCE, THIS CHAMBER.

ALL RIGHT.

AND SO HERE ARE THE PHOTOGRAPHS.

THIS IS UNCHANGED SINCE THE PREVIOUS, UM, UH, SINCE THERE DIDN'T SEEM TO BE ANY ISSUES WITH THIS.

UH, AND THEY SHOW SOME EXAMPLES ON THE RIGHT OF WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.

UH, THREE FOOT HIGH ON TOP OF THE EXISTING RETAINING WALL UP THERE.

AND THEN ON THE SIDE OR ALONG FLEET STREET, UH, IT WILL BE A FOUR FOOT CELEBR BRICK WALL, SIMILAR TO THE IMAGE ON THE RIGHT, UH, WHICH IS TO BE CONSTRUCTED ON TOP OF THE EXISTING RETAINING WALL BRICK RETAINING WALL ALONG FLEET STREET.

AND THEN ALSO, AS SHOWN IN THE PLAN, IT WAS TO BE CONTINUED DOWN QUEEN STREET.

UM, AND THEN TO ENCOMPASS, UH, THE OTHER PROPERTY WHICH THEY HAVE ACQUIRED, UH, 8 8 31.

SO THEY HAVE ACQUIRED THAT, UH, AS THEY WERE EXPECTING.

AND THEN IT WRAPS AROUND, UH, BACK INTO THE PROPERTY OR ALONG THE SIDE OF THAT PROPERTY, UM, TO SATISFY THE SETBACK, UH, REQUIREMENT FOR THAT PROPERTY.

UH, AND THEN THE GREEN ONE IS THE REMAINDER OUT TO WHERE IT MEETS THIS LOW BRICK WALL.

UH, AND IT'S THIS KIND OF FENCE HERE.

THIS IS THE STYLE THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT WITH ONE INCHES, ONE INCH BETWEEN THE BOARDS AND TREATED, TREATED WOOD SIX INCH BOARDS.

SO THEY DID A LITTLE SIMULATION OF THESE, UH, IN THE INTERVENING WEEKS HERE.

SO ON THE UPPER LEFT, I'M GONNA MAKE THIS LARGER.

SO THIS GIVES YOU AN IDEA HERE WHAT THE, UH, THE THREE FOOT WALL OUT FRONT WOULD LOOK LIKE IN SITU ALONG THE FRONT.

AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS THE FOUR FOOT HIGH BRICK WALL, SOLID BRICK WALL ALONG THE SIDE WITH THE PIERS OR THE, UH, PIERS ALONG ITS LENGTH.

UH, THAT'S THE END OF THAT IMAGE.

AND THEN THE, UH, LET'S SEE, WE HAVE A THIRD IMAGE HERE TO SHOW THE REST OF THE LENGTH ALONG FLEET STREET.

ALL RIGHT.

SO I BELIEVE THAT'S IT FOR THIS APPLICATION.

AND GO BACK TO A MORE NORMAL SIZE.

YES.

SO THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE, UH, ZONING AND INSPECTIONS FORM HERE.

UH, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, WAIT, I DID NOT INCLUDE THE ONE THAT WAS SIGNED, UH, AND DATED BY BOTH OF THEM.

UM, LET ME GET THAT ONE.

[00:10:29]

OKAY.

THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

OKAY.

I HAVE IT IN MY EMAIL.

SORRY.

UM, WE'RE GONNA NEED THAT, I SUPPOSE.

SO PLEASE, UH, BEAR WITH ME.

SO THIS WOULD'VE BEEN ON THE, THERE WE GO.

ALL RIGHT.

JUST TO VERIFY, EIGHT 20 BROAD STREET.

YAY.

ALL FILLED OUT.

IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE, AND IT WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.

OKAY.

SO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL.

AND SO WE ARE READY WITH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS WHENEVER YOU ARE.

OKAY.

DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANTED TO ADD? UM, NO, SIR.

I'M HAPPY TOLAR CLARIFY ANYTHING FOR YOU GUYS, AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY.

OKAY.

YOU, YOU ADDING A LOT OF BRICK ON BRICK, IS THERE AN ATTEMPT TO, TO GET THE COLORATION SIMILAR? UM, TO MY UNDERSTANDING, YES, SIR.

THE, THE, THE MASONRY, YOU KNOW, UH, HOUSTON BROTHERS, THEY'VE, UM, I KNOW CHER CLEARLY ONLY HIRED THE BEST.

UM, THEY, YOU KNOW, TO AS FAR AS, ARE YOU ASKING ME ABOUT WHICH SECTION? UH, EXACTLY, OR JUST THE BRICK IN GENERAL? IN GENERAL, YES, SIR.

UM, IN GENERAL, UH, THEY, THEY ARE, YES, SIR.

OKAY.

OKAY.

QUESTIONS IN THE SIMULATION, I NOTICED THE BRICK, UH, WAS FEATURED.

WAS THERE ALSO ONE WHERE THE WOOD FENCING RUNS, OR JUST THE BRICK FOR THE SIMULATION IN THE, IN THE PICTURES? YES.

UM, LET'S SEE.

I DON'T, I HAVE TO OKAY.

DID, IF I'M, IF I MAY, UM, THE ORDER OF THE, UM, HEARING IS TO HAVE ME DO THE RECOMMENDATIONS BEFORE YOU ASK QUESTIONS.

RIGHT? THEY, THEY CAN ASK QUESTIONS.

OKAY.

OH,

[00:15:01]

ALRIGHT.

SURE.

I REMEMBER THAT.

ALTHOUGH I'M BEING CORRECTED HERE THAT YOU MAY, WELL, NO, IF HE, HE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

UM, BUT IF THE MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS, YOU CAN, IF THERE'S A CONSENSUS AND DISAGREEABLE TO YOU ALL, YOU CAN POSE THOSE QUESTIONS.

OKAY.

OR YOU CAN WAIT .

I, I'M PERFECTLY COMFORTABLE HEARING THE RECOMMENDATIONS FIRST.

OKAY.

IT MAY OR MAY NOT ANSWER QUESTIONS, BUT, UH, ALL RIGHT.

SO FOR OUR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR, UH, EIGHT 20 BROAD STREET, UH, THE APPLICANTS SHARINE KPIC ANDREO CHAMBERLAIN, UH, THE HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME IS, UH, RICHARD DOWDY HOUSE, UH, CIRCA 1830, AND ENLARGED IN 19 0 4, 19 0 8.

IT IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

UH, THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY DESCRIPTION HAS IT AS A FEDERAL GREEKS REVIVAL STYLE, ONE AND A HALF STORY, FOUR BAYS WIDE GABLE LAND ROOF, TWO STORY TRANSFER, GABLE REAR EDITION.

AND THE SANDBAG DESCRIPTION IS LENGTHY.

AND THE ONLY THING OF ANY RELEVANCE PERHAPS IS, OR MAYBE JUST OF INTEREST AT THIS POINT, IS THIS TRANSITIONAL FEDERAL TORE REVIVAL STYLE COTTAGE IS THE LAST EARLY STRUCTURE STILL STANDING ON THE WEST END OF BROAD STREET AND WELL PRESERVED INTERIORS.

UH, SO THE EIGHT 20 BROAD STREET, UH, PROJECT IS TO INCLUDE BRICK, WALLS AND WOOD FENCING IN ALL THE ABCS, UH, STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES AS APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR FENCES AND GARDEN WALLS, 2.5, 0.1, TWO AND THREE FOR PAINT, 5.4, 0.2, THREE, FOUR, AND SIX.

UH, THE STATEMENTS A REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION AND STAFF'S JUDGMENT ARE ONE, THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN EITHER THE DENSE FABRIC OR THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

TWO, THE PROJECT IS A VARIETY OF FENCES WITHIN ALL OF THE ABCS.

THREE, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES FOR THE ZONING.

ADMINISTRATIVE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.

AND FIVE, THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.

SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COMMISSION TO APPROVE THIS APPLICATION TO INCLUDE BRICK, WALLS AND WOOD FENCING IN ALL ABCS.

OKAY.

THANK YOU CANDACE.

YEAH.

AND YES, CAN, IN, IN THE PHOTOS, UH, MATT DID WAS IN THE SIMULATION PHOTOS.

MM-HMM.

, WERE THERE ANY THAT SHOWED THE WOOD FENCING? NO.

NO MA'AM.

NO.

OKAY.

SO IN THE, IN THE FRONT, HOW HIGH IS, YOU'RE PUTTING A A, A FENCE ON TOP OF SOME BRICK AT THE BOTTOM.

SO HOW HIGH IS THAT GOING TO BE FROM THE BOTTOM TO THE TOP? UM, THE, THE EXISTING RETAINING WALL, UM, IS BRICK AND THEY WILL ADD, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S THREE FOOT ON TOP OF THAT.

LET'S SEE.

YES, MA'AM.

UH, SO, UH, IT WOULD BE, UH, THE THREE FOOT HONEYCOMB, UH, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT TOTAL DISTANCE, UM, OR TOTAL HEIGHT AT THIS TIME.

UM, BUT THEY'RE ADDING THREE FOOT TO THE EXISTING INTO MY UNDERSTANDING.

IT, IT'S ALREADY THREE FEET UP BELOW, OR, LET'S SEE, BECAUSE WE HAVE FOUR FOOT FOR FENCES IN THE FRONT.

RIGHT.

IT IS TO REACH A TOTAL OF FOUR FOOT.

YES, MA'AM.

DO WHAT? IT, IT IS TO BE A TOTAL OF FOUR FOOT.

YEAH, I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT WAS AT THE DESIGNER REVIEW.

YOU SAID IT WAS FOUR FEET? YEAH.

SO THAT PART THAT YOU'RE SHOWING ON YOUR PICTURE, THAT IS ONLY A FOOT, THE RETAINING WALL, IT'S ONLY A FOOT? YES, MA'AM.

REALLY? YEAH.

OKAY.

IT'S FAIRLY, IT LOOKS MORE THAN THAT, I THINK WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOUR FEET FROM THE GROUND LEVEL, WHICH IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE.

YES.

SAY THAT AGAIN.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOUR FEET FROM THE GROUND, WHICH IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BRICKS.

THE BRICKS BASICALLY COME UP NEAR IT'S GROUND LEVEL.

GROUND LEVEL.

THE GROUND LEVEL BEHIND THE BRICK IS HIGHER THAN THE SIDEWALK.

NOT, NOT SIDEWALK.

OKAY.

YEAH.

YEAH.

SAME, SAME ISSUE WILL BE ON, UH, WHEAT STREET, WHATEVER THAT STREET ON THE SIDE STREET.

MM-HMM.

, IT'S, IT'S FOUR FEET ABOVE THE GROUND THAT'S UP THERE.

YEAH.

NOT FOUR FEET OVER THE SIDEWALK.

YEAH.

YEAH.

DID YOU, SO, SO THE FENCE IS NOT GOING ON TOP OF THIS.

WE'RE GONNA CALL THIS RED PIECE THAT'S THERE, THE RETAINER WALL.

WHICH ONE ARE YOU ON THE, UH, FRONT? I'M LOOKING AT THE PICTURE THAT YOU PUT UP THERE.

SO YOUR FENCE IS NOT GOING ON TOP OF THIS RETAINING WALL? IT IS.

IT IS, IT IS, YES, MA'AM.

SO, SO IT'S GONNA BE, SO IN, FROM, FROM THE STREET LEVEL ALL THE WAY UP, HOW, HOW HIGH IS IT GONNA BE? MAYBE SIX OR SEVEN FEET, BUT IT'S NO, NO, THAT RETAIN SMALLER, THAT RETAINING WALL IS NOT HIGHER THAN TWO FEET THERE.

YEAH.

FROM THE GROUND IT'S GONNA BE FOUR.

IT'S GONNA BE FOUR OR FIVE FEET, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU STAND ON THE SIDEWALK.

IT'S,

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EXCUSE ME, IT'S GONNA BE THREE FROM THE GROUND APPROXIMATELY.

MM-HMM.

, THE, THE, THE GROUND COMES ALMOST TO THE TOP YEAH.

OF THAT RETAINING WALL.

SO HE'S COMING UP THREE FEET FROM GROUND LEVEL IF YOU CONSIDER THE BACK TO BEING GROUND LEVEL.

AND THAT'S BEEN, SO YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT CONSIDERING THE SIDEWALK TO BE THE BOTTOM PART OF THIS ENDEAVOR THEN? NO, MA WE'RE NOT CONSIDERING THAT.

NO.

I THINK WE'VE NOT DONE THIS.

WE HAVE NOT, WE'VE BEEN CONSISTENT IN AND SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE AND CONSIDERING THE, THE GROUND TO BE THE GROUND, AND IF YOU LOOK AT, IF YOU'RE CONSIDER THE HOLLISTER HOUSE ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF BROAD AND GEORGE STREET, UM, THAT'S THE BEST EXAMPLE I KNOW OF NOW THAT, THAT RETAINING WALL DOES NOT HAVE A FENCE ON IT.

BUT IT DID HAVE A FENCE ON IT AT ONE TIME.

IF YOU LOOK AT HISTORIC PHOTOS.

SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A PROJECTION OF, OF THAT, OF A RETAINING WALL WITH PROBABLY A THREE, FOUR FOOT FENCE ON IT.

YEAH.

JUST ONE QUESTION I HAVE IS, DOES THE FOUR FEET OR THE WHATEVER DISTANCE YOU'RE MEASURING INCLUDE ANY APPEARS WHERE THEY HAVE A CAP? OR IS, IS THE CAP AN ADDITIONAL HEIGHT ONLY AS WE STRUCTURALLY REQUIRED? UM, IT'S NOT AN ADDITIONAL HEIGHT.

UM, I DO NOT BELIEVE, NO, SIR.

SO IT'S OKAY TO HAVE THE CAPS BE SLIGHTLY HIGHER? NO.

SO I, I THINK WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION DURING DESIGN REVIEW, UM, WHERE WE HAD REQUESTED THE, UH, THE, THE, THE PILE LASTERS OR THE COLUMNS, WHAT THOSE DIMENSIONS WOULD BE, AS WELL AS HOW MANY WIDTHS OF BRICK WERE IN THE SOLID WALL PORTION VERSUS THE, UH, LATTICE PORTION AND THE FACING OF COLUMNS.

AND I, AND I DON'T SEE THAT IN THE APPLICATION.

I DON'T THINK IT'S A PROBLEM, BUT I'D SUGGEST IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT, UM, IF THE APPLICATION WERE APPROVED, WOULD COME BACK TO STAFF BEFORE WORK STARTED.

YEP.

WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION.

YES.

AND ON THE WOOD, YOU MENTIONED IT'S TREATED WOOD.

IS IT ALSO GONNA BE STAINED, IS IT GONNA BE STAINED WOOD AS WELL AS TREATED? YES, SIR.

OKAY.

OTHER, OTHER, OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? NO, YOU, YOU MENTIONED A CHANGE FROM THE, FROM THE, UH, FROM THE DESIGN REVIEW.

THAT WAS JUST THE, THE ADDITION OF THE PROPERTY PURCHASE.

I, I ASSUME MATTHEW.

UH, SAY THAT AGAIN.

YOU, YOU MENTIONED THAT A CHANGE FROM THE DESIGN REVIEW THAT WAS THE ADDITION OF THE PROPERTY PURCHASE.

WHICH, WHICH, UH, BACK WE ASKED PLUS, UH, AT THE DESIGN REVIEW, WE INDICATED THAT A SIX FOOT HIGH FENCE ALONG FLEET STREET WAS GOING TO BE TOO HIGH, THAT IT NEEDED TO BE ONLY FOUR FEET.

YEAH.

AND THE SAME THING ALL THE WAY AROUND ON QUEEN STREET AND THEN INTO THE PROPERTY, UH, UH, ALONG THERE AS FAR AS THE, UM, BUILDING SETBACK WOULD BE.

YEAH.

UH, SO, UM, THOSE WERE SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE SINCE THE DESIGN REVIEW.

OKAY.

OKAY.

OKAY.

ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, THAT'S REFLECTED THIS PICTURE HERE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE WHERE IT SAYS FOUR FEET.

THIS IS THE, THE WALL THAT GOES DOWN THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE DOWN TO QUEEN STREET? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY.

SO THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF THAT IS GONNA BE SIX FEET, WELL, PROBABLY MORE LIKE EIGHT OR MORE THAN THAT.

YEAH.

I THINK IT WAS, IT'S ABOUT FOUR FEET FROM THE SIDEWALK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YES, BUT ONLY FOUR FEET FROM THE GROUND.

ALRIGHT.

OKAY.

I'M NOT HEARING ANY MORE QUESTIONS.

I'M READY FOR A MOTION.

AND, AND THE MOTION SHOULD INCLUDE THE STIPULATION THAT YEAH.

YOU MENTIONED, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE TO FI.

WE FIND THE APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR EIGHT 20 BROAD STREET TO BE NOT IN CONGRESS WITH NEW BURNS, CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTION 15 4 11 TO 15,000 4 29, AND NEW BURNS.

HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACTS, FENCES AND GARDEN WALLS, 2.5, 0.1, TWO AND THREE, PAINT, 5.4, 0.2, THREE, FOUR AND SIX.

AND FINDINGS OF FACT, THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN EITHER THE DENTS OR TIGHT WAVE, UH, DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

NUMBER TWO, THE PROJECT IS, IS A VARIETY OF FENCES WITHIN ALL OF THE AREAS OF VISUAL CONCERN.

THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES.

AND THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.

THE PROJECT IS NOT IN CONGRESS WITH THE GUIDELINES.

[00:25:02]

AND I HAVE ONE CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE FURTHER DETAIL ON BRICK WIDTH AND SPACING OF BOTH THE HONEYCOMB AND THE SOLID SECTION OF FENCE WITH WHERE BRICK IS PROPOSED, YOU CALL IT.

OKAY.

OKAY.

OKAY, EVERYBODY, YOU UNDERSTAND THE MOTION? IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND, MR. CHAIR.

UM, THERE, THERE HAS BEEN A PERSON TO COME INTO THE CITY HALL COURTROOM SINCE THE DELIBERATION STARTED.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO GIVE THAT PERSON A, THEY PROPONENT OR OPPONENT AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, SHAKING HIS HEAD.

NO.

JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD.

GOOD, THANK YOU.

UH, OKAY.

UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION STATE? AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSED? HEARING NONE MOTIONS APPROVED.

WILL SECOND, IN FACT, YES, IT WAS.

UH, TIM DID, I DID.

OH.

OH, THANK YOU.

OH, JIM, TIM THOMPSON.

WHO DID? I THINK JIM DID, I THINK, YEAH, THERE WAS THE FIRST MOTION AND THE SECOND WAS TIM THOMPSON, RIGHT? YES.

OKAY.

YES.

UH, WE NEED A MOTION TO ISSUE THE COA.

SO MOVED.

SECOND.

WHO'S, AND SECOND THAT WE ISSUE A COA FOR THE PROJECT.

ALL IN FAVOR? STATE AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSED? NONE.

COA IS APPROVED WITH THE STIPULATION.

YOU UNDERSTAND? YES, SIR.

ALRIGHT.

I'M, I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOUR, YOUR RELATIONSHIP IS TO THE, TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS, BUT IT, IT, IT IS A NEAT PROPERTY.

YOU KNOW, AT ONE POINT BROAD STREET COMING INTO TOWN WAS, WAS A GRAND ENTRANCE.

AND, AND THIS IS THE WORK AND THAT HOUSE IS HELPING TO GET US BACK THERE.

APPRECIATE IT.

TO KEEP IT THAT WAY.

YES, SIR.

YEAH.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THE PROJECT.

THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU, JIM.

THANK YOU, JUDGE.

APPRECIATE IT.

RIGHT? YEP.

UH, WHO MADE THE MOTION TO ISSUE? WHO DID? WHO DID? UH, AND I DID.

I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS 10.

OKAY.

MOTION TO ISSUE THE COA.

AND THE SECOND.

SECOND, GREGORY.

OKAY.

GREGORY, THAT GREG, DID YOU SECOND THIS? I MADE THE MOTION TO ISSUE THE COA AND I THINK OH, AND GREG OKAY.

DID SOUND PROBLEM IN HERE.

OKAY.

OKAY.

OKAY.

UH, THAT BRINGS US TO OLD BUSINESS.

OLD BUSINESS.

WE HAVE, UH, THERE'S NONE.

WERE THERE COMMENTS THAT YOU WANT TO NO.

OKAY.

UH, NEW BUSINESS? NONE.

ANYTHING BEYOND WHAT YOU TALKED ABOUT IN THE DESIGN REVIEW ON YOUR REPORT? UH, I HAVE NO COMMENTS ON THOSE.

NO COMMENTS? OKAY.

ANY COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS? HEARING NONE ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.

SO MOVED.

SECOND, MOVE.

SECOND.

BEING ADJOURNED.

ALL FAVOR STATE AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

OPPOS ADJOURNED.

TURN OFF THE MICROPHONE.