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UP OVER THERE? YEAH.[1. Opening of Meeting with Roll Call]
WE GO.OKAY, SO READY TO GO? YOU HAVE A ROLL, PAUL? YES, CERTAINLY.
PRESENT IT AND MOLLY BALES IS EXCUSED.
[3. Consent Agenda]
THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH IS NEW TO US IN THE WAY WE'LL DEAL WITH THIS IF THERE, I THINK EVERYBODY RECEIVED IT IN THEIR PACKAGE SHOULD HAPPEN.IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION OF ANY ITEM, WE'LL SET THAT ASIDE.
IF NOT, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE ONE VOTE ON ALL OF THE CONSENT AGREEMENT OR CONSENT AGENDA.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THE FIVE ITEMS THAT ARE THERE? HEARING NONE, THEN I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
AND SECONDLY, WE APPROVE THE CONSENT, UH, AGENDA.
MR. CHAIRMAN, DID YOU DO THE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE AGENDA? ARE THERE ANY ADJUSTMENTS TO THE AGENDA? HEARING NONE.
[4.A. Hearings: Introduction, Swearing-In, Summary of Process - Introduction of Hearings and Rules of Procedure - Swearing-In of Speakers - Summary of the Hearing Process]
BACKGROUND ABOUT OUR PURPOSE HERE.THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION IS A PUBLIC COMMISSION REPORTED BY THE CITY OF NEW BURNS BOARD OF ALDERMAN.
WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR PRESERVING AND SAFEGUARDING NEW BURNS, LOCALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICTS, WHICH ARE DOWNTOWN AND RIVERSIDE BASED ON US DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR GUIDELINES, STATE STATUTES, CITY ORDINANCES, AND NUMEROUS HISTORIC GUIDELINES.
TWO OF THE MAJOR TASKS OF H HP C R TWO APPROVE APPLICATIONS FOR CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS AND PREVENTING DEMOLITION, UH, OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES DUE TO NEGLECT WHERE QUAI JUDICIAL, WE HOLD QUAI JUDICIAL HEARINGS OF WHICH THIS IS ONE ON APPLICATIONS FOR CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS.
WE HEAR SWORN TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT AND BY PARTIES WHO RECEIVE NOTICE OF THE HEARING AND BY OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT COMMENTS.
AND, UH, STANDING COMMISSION CAN'T CONSIDER COMMENTS BASED ON PERSONAL LIKES AND DISLIKES, HEARSAY OR PERSONAL OPINION, NOT BACKED UP BY FACTS RELATED TO SPECIFIC HISTORIC GUIDELINES.
AND LIKEWISE, THE COMMISSIONERS WILL ALSO REFRAIN FROM DOING THAT.
CAN WE SWEAR AND PRESENTERS? YES.
SO ANYONE WHO, UH, UH, WILL BE THINKING THEY MIGHT BE SPEAKING, COME FORWARD PLEASE.
AND WE SQUARE YOU IN, WHETHER YOU'RE AN APPLICANT OR ANYONE ELSE.
DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE? SAY I DO.
IF YOU PLEASE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS HERE.
[4.B. 305 North Ave. – to include a new infill house. Continued from previous meeting. The applicants have requested this to be continued again.]
NORTH AVENUE, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT'S TO BE CONTINUED.AND THE REASON BEING, UH, FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, UH, THE APPLICANTS HAVE NOT, UH, YET PREPARED THE REDEVELOPMENT PLANS.
SO, ENTERTAIN MOTION, WE CONTINUE THE, UH, UH, CONSIDERATION OF 3 0 5 NORTH AVENUE DUE TO THE APPLICANT'S NON, UH, READINESS.
AND THAT WOULD BE CONTINUED TO THE 3RD OF MAY AT FIVE 30, NO, MAY 17TH.
UH, AND MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST SO THAT WE HAVE IT IN THE RECORD, WHAT IS OUR 180 DAY TIMEFRAME HERE? UH, IT IS JULY.
WE HAVE UNTIL JUNE, ESSENTIALLY THE JUNE MEETING TO ACT, WHICH GIVES YOU ONE EXTRA MEETING IN CASE SOMETHING HAPPENS.
I CAN LACK OF QUO OR SOMETHING.
I WILL ADD THAT, UM, THEY HAVE CONTACTED ME AND THEY ARE PREPARING
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SOME PLANS, SO, OKAY.[4.C. 100 Middle St. (Doubletree Hotel) – to include reconstruction of the deck in the Tertiary AVC. Continued from previous meeting. The applicants have requested this to be continued again.]
STREET ALSO TO BE CONTINUED OR NOT CORRECT? CORRECT.FOR THE REASON THAT AND THE APPLICANTS HAVE NOT YET SETTLED THEIR, UM, UM, LAND USE ISSUES.
SO AT ENTERTAIN A MOTION, WE CONTINUE, UH, 100 MIDDLE STREET FOR THE RECENT STATED, UM, MOTION TO CONTINUE 100 MINERAL STREET TO THE, UH, REGULAR MEETING.
MAY TH 17TH, SEVEN 17TH,
[4.D. 710 New St. – to include demolition of a contributing structure and construction of a new infill house.]
SEVEN 10, UH, NEWS STREET.AND, UH, SOME, UH, PREFACE REMARKS.
UM, WE HAD TALKED WITH YOU IN THE DESIGN REVIEW ABOUT THE NEED TO HAVE THE INVOLVEMENT OF THE STATE AND, AND THEIR, WE, WE DO NOT YET HAVE THAT.
IT'S BEEN REQUESTED INFORMALLY, HOWEVER, THEY REQUIRE A FORMAL ACT IN OUR MEETING, WHICH WE'LL ENTERTAIN LATER TONIGHT.
WE WOULD LIKE TO, HOWEVER, HEAR THE PRESENTATION JUST TO IDENTIFY ARE THERE ANY OTHER ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO WORRY ABOUT OTHER THAN THE, THE, UH, PROCURING THAT INFORMATION FROM THE STATE? OKAY.
THERE IS THE APPLICATION FOR SEVEN 10 NEW STREET.
UH, AND YOU CAN SEE IT'S BEEN FILLED OUT APPROPRIATELY AND SIGNED AND DATED, UH, FEBRUARY.
AND THIS IS, UH, THE AUTHORIZATION FORM THAT AUTHORIZES MR. MUMFORD MUMFORD, UH, TO REPRESENT, UH, THE OWNERS ON THIS, UH, PROJECT.
UH, SO THE APPLICANT PROVIDED SOME PHOTOS, AND SO I'M GONNA GO THROUGH A WHOLE SERIES OF PHOTOS.
FIRST FROM THE APPLICANT, AND THEN FROM TWO OF THE HPC MEMBERS, AND THEN FROM STAFF.
SO THEY'LL BE QUITE A LOT OF PHOTOGRAPHS HERE JUST SO WE CAN GET OURSELVES KIND OF ORIENTED TO THE BUILDING AND ITS ISSUES.
UH, SO THIS IS JUST THE FRONT AND THE SI, AGAIN FROM THE APPLICANT, THE FRONT AND THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THE BACK, AND THEN THE BACK OF THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
UH, HERE AGAIN, UH, YOU CAN SEE THE PORCH ON THE LEFT.
SO THIS IS THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
UH, AND NOW, FROM LOOKING FROM THE INSIDE, THEY PROVIDED THIS PHOTOGRAPH OF, UH, ONE CORNER, ONE THE CORNER OF ONE ROOM, WHERE YOU CAN SEE LIGHT COMING IN FROM OUTSIDE BECAUSE THE WALL HAS SEPARATE, THE RIGHT HAND WALL HAS SEPARATED FROM THE HOUSE, FROM THE REST OF THE HOUSE AT THE FLOOR LEVEL.
AND THERE'S A COUPLE MORE SHOTS OF THE SAME THING, JUST TO TRACE IT DOWN.
THEN ALONG THE BOTTOM OF THE WALL, UH, A LITTLE HARD TO SEE A, A RIGHT HAND ONE, HOW FAR AWAY AND HOW LONG THAT HAS TRAVERSED.
THEN, UH, THIS IS A PHOTOGRAPH FROM THAT SAME ROOM, AND TO BE ADJACENT ROOM, UH, WE'RE ON THE LEFT HAND PHOTO.
IT'S MORE TO SHOW YOU WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT.
AND ON THE RIGHT HAND PHOTO, UH, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A GAP, UH, BETWEEN, UH, THE FLOOR ON THE TOP AND THE THRESHOLD ON THE BOTTOM.
UM, HERE'S A REPRESENTATION OF SOME OF THE, UH, CRACKING, UH, IN THE WALLS.
UH, THE, WHERE WE SAW THE LIGHT COMING THROUGH, UH, THAT WAS, UH, THE, LET'S CALL IT THE BACK RIGHT HAND CORNER OF THE MIDDLE ROOM.
UH, BUT HERE WE SEE CRACKING IN THE FRONT ROOM.
THIS IS NOW ALSO THE EXTERIOR WALL THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT ON THE OUTSIDE.
UH, THEN THE PHOTO ON THE RIGHT IS
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AGAIN, THAT SAME DOORWAY WHERE WE WERE LOOKING AT THE THRESHOLD.YOU CAN NOW SEE AT THE HEADER THAT THE, UM, THE DOOR FRAME IS, UH, ALSO RACKING.
AND, UH, THE PEELING, UH, WALLPAPER, UH, SHOWS THAT AS WELL.
UH, AND THEN FROM THE OUTSIDE, UH, THAT CORNER WHERE THE LIGHT WAS COMING THROUGH, THE, UM, UH, THE WALL HAS ALSO SEPARATED FROM THE ADJACENT PANELING ON THE OTHER CORNER.
AND THEN THIS IS AN ENLARGED COR, UH, A, UH, ENLARGED AND BRIGHTENED VIEW OF THAT CORNER, LOOKING INTO THAT CAVITY, UM, WHERE THE LIGHT DOES COME THROUGH THERE.
UH, THEY ALSO PROVIDED AN EMAIL FROM, UH, BUILDING INSPECTOR EDSEL AT THE CITY, UM, WHERE HE PROVIDED A, HIS FINDINGS FROM A MINIMUM HOUSING INSPECTION THAT HE DID, UH, IN 2021.
AND THE HIGHLIGHTED, UH, SOME OF THE APPLICANTS HIGHLIGHTED SOME OF THE MAIN ISSUES HERE.
UM, BACK TO THAT IF YOU NEED TO.
THEY ALSO HAVE A PRIVATE, UH, INSPECTION, UH, DONE BY NORTH CAROLINA, I'M SORRY, BY INSPECTOR PAUL RYAN.
AND HE PROVIDED THESE PHOTOGRAPHS AND COMMENTS, BUT PARTICULARLY, UH, THESE BOTTOM TWO HERE.
UM, THIS IS THE, THAT OUTSIDE, UH, UH, WALL.
LET'S SEE, THAT WOULD BE THE EASTERN WALL, UH, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS WHOLE TIME.
UH, AND, UH, THE BOTTOM RIGHT PHOTOGRAPH WITH THE ARROWS, UM, IS POINTING TO BURKE.
FOUNDATIONS ARE NO LONGER USED.
THIS FOUNDATION IS FAILING AND TILTING OUTWARD AND DANGEROUS.
UH, COMMISSIONER THOMPSON TOOK SOME PHOTOGRAPHS, UH, THIS MONTH, UH, WHEN THE COMMISSION WAS DOING THE TOURS OF THE SITES.
SO THIS GIVES SOME CONTEXT, UH, WITH THE NEIGHBORING STRUCTURE AND THEN THE SUBJECT STRUCTURE ON THE RIGHT.
UH, AND AGAIN, FROM NOW, FROM THE FRONT AND O LEAK FROM THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
UM, THIS PHOTOGRAPH, THIS IS THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE HOUSE, UH, AND, UM, IT DOESN'T, UH, SHOW ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR THAT I CAN THINK I CAN NOTICE ON HERE, TIM, UNLESS YOU WANT TO THROW SOMETHING IN THERE.
NOW, IT'S A STRAIGHT ON SHOT OF THAT SIDE, THE EASTERN SIDE, UH, OF THE HOUSE.
UH, AND MOST OF THE CONCERN IS HAPPENING DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS WALL.
THE CORNER WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT IS THE ONE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
AND HERE IS AN, AN EXPANDED VIEW FROM HIS PHOTOGRAPHS, UM, HERE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SIDING, UM, WHERE, UH, I'M SHOWING YOU THE TOP PART WHERE IT'S, AGAIN, SEPARATED LIKE WE SHOWED BEFORE, BUT YOU CAN SEE A FEW MORE DETAILS IN THERE.
AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE TOP OF THE, UH, UH, STRUCTURAL PIER HERE, UH, THIS BRICK HERE, AND THEN, UM, SOME MORE OF THE PIER BELOW.
UM, BUT, UH, WE'LL SEE SOME OTHER PHOTOGRAPHS THAT WILL BE LIKE THIS ONE, WHICH IS THE VERY SAME CORNER, THE SAME PIER.
AND, UM, YOU CAN SEE IF, IF NOTHING ELSE, THE TOP OF THE PIER IS BEEN CRACKED OFF.
THESE THREE BRICKS HAVE BEEN CRACKED OFF AND ARE NOW LEANING OUT FROM THE TOP OF THE PIER.
UH, IN THE BACKGROUND, THERE'S ALSO BRICKS LEANING, BUT THOSE ARE NON-STRUCTURAL INFILL PIECES BETWEEN THE PIERS.
UH, SO, UM, NOW THIS IS JUST THE BACK OF THE VIEW OF THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
UM, THERE ARE SOME PLYWOOD PANEL ON ONE BOTTOM, HALF OF ONE WINDOW, QUARTER OF ANOTHER WINDOW, UM, THEN THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE HOUSE AND THE FRONT DOOR,
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THEN GOING INSIDE AND, OH, NO, NOT TO 1%.NOW WE CAN SEE, UM, THE STAIRWAY GOING ONCE YOU WALK IN THE DOOR, UH, DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF YOU IS THE STAIRWAY FIRST, STARTING AT THE BOTTOM, UH, OFF THE BOTTOM OF THE BO TOP PICTURE.
BUT HERE ON THE BOTTOM PICTURE.
SO I'VE KIND OF ARRANGED THEM SIMILAR TO, UH, UH, UH, ONE CONTINUOUS PHOTOGRAPH.
SO YOU HAVE THE STAIRS GOING TO A LANDING IN THE CORNER, AND THEN TURNING 90 DEGREES AND CONTINUING UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR HERE IS THE, UH, THAT CRACKING WALL OR AT LEAST, UH, UH, WALLPAPER ON IN THE MIDDLE ROOM, IN THE FRONT ROOM, SORRY.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT'S ALSO, UH, POTENTIALLY A, UM, A FLU OR A FORMER CHIMNEY
UH, AND THEN THIS IS NOW THE CORNER AGAIN FROM THE INSIDE.
ON THAT PARTICULAR DAY, THE EVENING BEFORE IT HAD BEEN FREEZING FROST.
AND SO THE, UH, FAMILY HAD FILLED THE GAP WITH SOME, UH, TOWELS AND SUCH TO KEEP THE GOLD OUT, BUT IT'S THAT SAME SPOT.
UM, THIS PHOTOGRAPH WAS INTENDED TO SHOW THAT THE HOUSE STILL HAS SOME, UM, HISTORIC WA COATING, UH, THAT'S BEADBOARD STYLE MATERIAL.
UH, AND THEN THE SEC, THE SECOND HALF OF THE FLIGHT OF STAIRS UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR, UH, PHOTOGRAPH OF THAT, AGAIN, WE CAN COME BACK TO ANY OF THESE LATER.
ALSO, THE, THE IRISES TOOK PHOTOS OF THOSE BECAUSE THEY WERE MENTIONED IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY.
SO, UM, COMMISSIONER PARTNER, UM, MANAGED TO CRAWL THROUGH THE, UH, OPENING IN THE, FOR THE CRAWL SPACE.
AND IMMEDIATELY TO THE LEFT TOOK THIS PHOTOGRAPH, UH, WHERE YOU CAN SEE THESE, THIS FLOOR JOIST IS NO LONGER BEARING ON, UH, ANYTHING.
UM, THE ONE BEHIND IT THAT IT'S HARD TO TELL, BUT MAYBE ALSO MIGHT NOT BE BEARING ON ANYTHING, UH, SEEMS THIS, UH, APPEAR MAY OR MAY NOT BE TILTED BASED ON THE ANGLE OF THE PHOTOGRAPH OR THE PHOTOGRAPHER WHO WAS LYING IN AN AWKWARD POSITION.
SO LOOKING STRAIGHT THROUGH, UM, UH, THERE WERE SOME CROSS MEMBERS, UH, I THINK, OR NO, THIS IS STILL TO THE LEFT, I'M SORRY, UH, BUT FARTHER AWAY FROM THE FOUNDATIONAL.
AND SO YOU CAN SEE THE CONDITION OF THE STRUCTURE THERE.
AND ALSO, UH, BEYOND A BRICK, SOME KIND OF BRICK CONSTRUCTION, UH, PERHAPS HOLDING UP SOME OF THE FLOORING OR SOME OF THE FLOOR STRUCTURE.
UH, THE NEXT PHOTOGRAPH, UH, IS NOW STRAIGHT IN FROM THE OPENING.
AND HERE WE CAN SEE, UH, UH, THE JOISTS ARE COMING, UH, LEFT AND RIGHT, UH, WITH SOME CROSSMEMBERS.
THERE WAS A NEW CROSSMEMBER ADDED AT THE VERY TOP OF THE PHOTOGRAPH PIPE GOING THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE PHOTOGRAPH.
AND THEN AT THE BOTTOM HALF OF THE PHOTOGRAPH, WE SEE SOME NEW CINDER BLOCKS OR CONCRETE BLOCKS, UH, THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED TO SHORE UP THE FLOORING.
UH, HERE IS THAT NEW CROSS MEMBER THAT WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT.
AND JUST IN FRONT OF THAT, UH, APPEARS SOME OF THE ACTUAL FLOORING HAS, UM, YOU COULD SAY BUSTED THROUGH, HAS BEEN BROKEN THROUGH.
UM, UH, PERHAPS SOMEONE'S FOOT WENT THROUGH AT SOME POINT OR A PIECE OF FURNITURE.
SO THEN LOOKING TO THE RIGHT AT THE OPENING HERE IS ANOTHER JOIST THAT IS NO LONGER BEARING ON ANYTHING EXCEPT MAYBE THAT LITTLE NAIL THAT'S POKING OUT THERE.
UM, IT SHOULD BE RESTING ON THIS, UH, OTHER HORIZONTAL MEMBER.
UM, AND WE'LL SEE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT IN A SECOND.
UH, AND THEN BEHIND THAT, THIS JOIST, THIS FLOOR JOIST, THE NEXT FLOOR JOIST BEHIND THAT IS THIS ONE HERE SHOWN WITH, UH, A FLASHLIGHT SHINING ON IT, AND IT IS BEARING ON THAT, UH, PIECE OF WOOD, BUT HOWEVER, THAT PIECE OF WOOD IS NOT BEARING ON ANYTHING.
SO IT HAS SLID OFF OF THE PIER, WHICH IS NOW LEANING OUTWARDS.
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THAT HERE.UH, AND THIS IS ANOTHER SHOT AT THE SAME THING.
YOU CAN STILL SEE AND MAYBE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT ANGLE, DIFFERENT LIGHTING, IF THAT'S HELPFUL AT ALL.
THEN A THIRD SHOT OF THAT, THE LIGHT HAS KIND OF MOVED OVER A LITTLE BIT, SO MAYBE SEE DIFFERENT THINGS.
UM, AND THEN MORE OF A LONG SHOT WHERE YOU SEE SEVERAL OTHERS DOWN THE, UH, SEVERAL OTHER FLOOR JOISTS DOWN BEYOND THE ONES WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT ALSO, UM, UH, PROBABLY ON THAT, UM, UH, PIECE OF WOOD, UH, THE RIM JOIST.
UH, BUT, UM, RIM JOIST IS NOT ON, UH, THE PIERS, AT LEAST THERE.
SO THEN, UH, STAFF ALSO WAS, UH, AT THAT, THOSE VISITS.
AND SO WE HAVE OUR OWN PHOTOGRAPHS.
THERE'S THE CORNER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, AND THEN, UH, THE PIERS, AND THIS WAS THE CRAWL, THE CRAWL, AC THE CRAWL SPACE ACCESS THAT WAS USED TO GET IN.
UM, SO A CLOSEUP OF THAT AREA SHOWS, UM, THE PIER HERE IN THE, IN, UH, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PHOTOGRAPH.
AND THEN THE INFILL PIECE, UH, IS, UH, SLIGHTLY, YOU CAN SEE SLIGHTLY, UM, RECESSED FROM THE PIER.
THE, UM, INFILL PIECE IS NON-STRUCTURAL, BUT THE PIER DOES APPEAR TO BE LEANING, AND THEN AGAIN, UP MORE THAN FROM THE OTHER ANGLE, TOWARDS THE CORNER, MORE OR FROM THE CORNER.
LOOKING BACK AT THE PIERS, THIS PIER ON THE LEFT, UH, DOES APPEAR TO BE LEANING, AND THE INFILL IS CRUMBLING, BUT AGAIN, IT'S NON-STRUCTURAL.
BUT HERE NOW IS THE STRUCTURAL PIER ON THE CORNER.
AND AGAIN, NOW WE SEE THAT TOP OF THE PIER IS, UH, KIND OF BROKEN OFF, AND HIS, UH, HANGING OUT AT AN ANGLE FROM THE TOP.
SO, LET'S SEE, UH, THE REST OF THE PIER ON THE RIGHT THOUGH IS STILL, UH, INTACT.
THAT'S A CLOSER UP VIEW OF THAT CORNER FROM THE TOP.
AND YOU CAN SEE IN THIS ONE, THE POINT OF THIS ONE WAS THE BULGE IN THE WALL AT THE BOTTOM ON THE LEFT, UH, TO POINT THAT OUT.
AND THEN THIS IS VERY CLOSE UP VIEW INTO THAT CAVITY.
YOU CAN SEE THE RIM BEAM, UH, ON THIS END, THAT SIT THAT IS SITTING ON THE PIER, UH, ON THIS END, ON THE RIGHT, THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THIS CORNER.
UM, AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT SOME OF THE, UM, AT LEAST THIS STUD IN PARTICULAR HAS BEEN, UH, DEC HAS DECAYED OR, OR BEEN, UM, EATEN AND IS NO LONGER EVEN, UH, TOUCHING THE, ITS BEARING POINT.
UH, IT MAY BE HELD UP BY THE WOOD SIDING.
SO THIS IS THEN A PHOTO OF THE, UH, WESTERN SIDE.
SO THE SIDE THAT'S OPPOSITE, THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE HOUSE FROM THE OTHER, UH, AREA WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT.
YOU CAN SEE THE PORCH ON THE RIGHT, THE FRONT PORCH ON THE RIGHT.
OKAY? SO, UH, AND SO AS AN EXAMPLE, THESE, THIS SHOWS WHAT THE PIERS SHOULD LOOK LIKE, UM, ALBEIT WITHOUT ALL THE SAND, UM, ON TOP OF 'EM.
UH, BUT, UH, YOU CAN SEE THIS IS AN INTACT PIER, AND THE, UM, INFILL PANELS ARE RECESSED, UH, TO THE LEFT AND RIGHT OF THAT.
AND THERE IS, IN THIS CASE, A, UH, TOP ROW OF BRICKS, UM, THAT ARE ALSO, UM, UH, UH, CO CLEANER WITH THE PIER, BUT NOT WITH THE, UM, NOT WITH THE INFILL.
AND HERE'S ANOTHER ANGLE OF THAT.
HERE'S THE PIER IN THE MIDDLE, AND THEN THE TWO INFILLED PIECES LEFT AND RIGHT.
THEN FROM THE INSIDE, THERE'S THAT CORNER.
WHAT'S THE LIGHT COMING THROUGH? HERE'S A CLOSER UPSHOT AFTER THEY REMOVED THE, THE TOWELS AND SUCH FROM THAT CORNER FOR THAT DAY.
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ALONG THE FLOOR ALL THE WAY ALONG THAT ENTIRE SIDE OF THE ROOM UNTIL IT REACHES THIS CORNER, UM, WHERE IT STARTS TO CLOSE UP.AND THERE'S A, SEEMS LIKE THIS IS A COLUMN OR MAYBE A PIPE CHASE FOR THE BATHROOM ABOVE.
UM, THERE'S THE, THE DOOR WITH THE RACKED, UM, UM, HEADER, UH, ALSO AS A POINT OF REFERENCE FOR A FUTURE PHOTOGRAPH.
THIS TRIANGULAR PIECE HERE IS ACTUALLY THE STAIRWAY, UM, CROSSING THROUGH THE, THIS ROOM HERE UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR.
SO WE'LL SEE IN A SECOND WHAT IS ABOVE THIS CEILING AND AGAINST THE OUTSIDE WALL AT THIS LOCATION.
AND, UM, NOW THIS IS UPSTAIRS, SO WE'VE JUST COME UP THOSE STAIRS I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT.
AND AT THE TOP OF THE STAIRS, YOU'RE STANDING ON TOP OF THE, UH, THAT MIDDLE ROOM, THE CEILING OF THAT MIDDLE ROOM HERE.
UH, AND THEN AT THE TOP OF THE PHOTOGRAPH, SORRY, YOU CAN SEE THE BATHROOM IS STRAIGHT AHEAD, AND THERE IS A, UH, BEHIND THE TOILET AND AGAINST THE OUTSIDE WALL, THERE IS A PINK, THERE IS A WHITE COLUMN LIKE THING, UH, FEATURE WITH, UH, PINK, UH, PLASTER PIECE ABOVE THAT.
AND TO THE LEFT IS A ROOM THAT WE'LL SEE IN THE LAST PHOTOGRAPH, UM, WITH, UH, SOME, UH, UH, PEELING WALLPAPER THERE.
UM, SO IN THIS, SO THIS IS THAT, UH, THAT EXTERIOR WALL COLUMN AREA THAT I MENTIONED MAY BE THE PIPE CHASE, UH, FOR THE BATHROOM, UH, THAT, UH, MAY CONTINUE DOWN TO THE FIRST FLOOR.
AND SO, UM, MAYBE THIS CRACKING IS RELATED TO THE FLOOR STRUCTURE PROBLEM BELOW.
AND THEN TWO MORE PHOTOGRAPHS.
UM, THIS ONE IS THE ROOM TO THE RIGHT OF THE BATHROOM THAT WE DIDN'T SEE BEFORE.
UM, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF DETERIORATION IN THIS ROOM, AND THIS ALSO MUST HAVE BEEN, THIS MAY NOW BE ABOVE THE, UM, THE FIREPLACE, UH, IN, IN THE FRONT ROOM WHERE IT HAD THE PHOTOGRAPH OF THE, UM, UH, UH, PERSON IN MILITARY, UM, UNIFORM.
UH, BECAUSE THIS IS NOW A VENT, UH, FOR THE SAME KIND OF, UH, FLU.
UH, AND SO, UM, THIS COULD BE THIS, UH, DETERIORATION COULD BE RELATED AGAIN TO THE RACKING THAT'S HAPPENING NEXT TO THAT FIREPLACE DOWNSTAIRS.
UM, OR IT LOOKS LIKE IT COULD BE RELATED TO SOME KIND OF LEAKING THAT'S HAPPENING AT THE ROOF, WHICH COULD BE NEXT TO THE CHIMNEY.
UM, AND COULD ALSO BE RELATED TO THE MOVEMENT OF THE WALL OR THE HOUSE.
THEN, UH, THE LAST PHOTOGRAPH, UH, IS THE ONE OF THAT ROOM TO THE LEFT OF THE BATHROOM.
UH, AND HERE IN THE CEILING, UM, WE COULD SEE THERE WAS SOME, PERHAPS SOME SEPARATION HERE BETWEEN THE CEILING AND THE WALL.
HOWEVER, IT COULD JUST BE THE TRIM COMING DOWN.
YOU SEE THE, THE BOTTOM OF THE TRIM IS LOWER THAN THE, THAN THE ONE NEXT TO IT.
BUT, UH, THERE'S ALSO THE PEELING OF THE, OF THE WALLPAPER COULD ALSO BE DUE TO SOME CHANGES IN THE WALLS.
SO, SO THAT'S IT ON THE PHOTOGRAPHS AND ALL THAT STUFF.
UH, WE HAVE THE ZONING AND INSPECTIONS REVIEW FORM HERE.
AND, UH, SO THIS IS FOR THE DEMOLITION, UH, AND, UH, CONS, UH, CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW INFILL HOUSE.
UM, THOSE THINGS, UH, DO, UH, MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE, UH, SAYING WE HAVE NO ZONING REQUIREMENTS FOR DEMO, HOWEVER, THE REBUILD PLANS MUST BE REVIEWED.
AND THEN FOR THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR, THE PROPOSED PROJECT WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT AND A DEMOLITION PERMIT.
SO, AND THEN WE ARE READY WITH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, BUT WE MAY OR MAY NOT BE GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS, UM, THIS EVENING.
WE WOULD NEED TO ENTERTAIN THE INPUT FROM THE STATE BEFORE WE GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
I ASSUME, UM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO, YOU, IT WOULD MAY BE HELPFUL TO WAIT, AND THEN I COULD INCORPORATE THOSE INTO MY RECOMMENDATIONS.
I WILL SAY, MR. CHAIR, IN THE SPIRIT OF BEING HELPFUL, UM, IN YOUR POLICIES
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AND PROCEDURES, ONE OF THE MANDATORY, UM, CONSIDERATIONS THAT YOU MUST HAVE IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD IS THAT INPUT FROM THE STATE PRESERVATION OFFICE.SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT, YOU CERTAINLY COULD, SINCE THEY'RE HERE, HOWEVER, YOU, YOU MIGHT WANT TO BEAR IN MIND HOW YOU WANT TO WAIVE THE EVIDENCE THAT YOU RECEIVED TONIGHT YEAH.
WITH THE INFORMATION THAT YOU RECEIVED FROM THE STATE PRESERVATION OFFICE.
AND, AND I MIGHT SUGGEST IF, IF YOU, YOU AS A GROUP DECIDE THAT MAYBE YOU NEED SOME MORE INFORMATION FROM THE APPLICANT, YEAH, THIS WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO DISCUSS THAT WITH THEM.
UH, AND, UH, OR, UM, IF YOU WANT SOME MORE INFORMATION FROM THE STAFF OR ANYONE ELSE, NO, FOR THAT MATTER.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO AT THIS POINT.
IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO, UH, ASK FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, ANY INFORMATION THAT HASN'T BEEN DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY.
I JUST WANNA START WITH A, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
HAS THERE EVER BEEN AN ESTIMATE DONE ON, ON A REPAIR VERSUS DEMOLITION? WE HAVE, WE'RE STILL JUST NAVIGATING WAY FORWARD RIGHT NOW.
OH, YOU'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE.
UM, WE, WE HAVEN'T DID ANY COST ASSESSMENTS OF WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO DO THE PROJECT.
LIKE I SAID, WE'RE JUST STILL TRYING TO NAVIGATE THE WAY FORWARD RIGHT NOW.
SO, AND W HAS THERE BEEN A CONSIDERATION OF SELLING IT TO SOMEBODY WHO WOULD DO RE RESTORATION VERSUS DEMO? NO, THE, THE FAMILY IS GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THE RESTORATION.
LIKE I SAID, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO NAVIGATE THE WAY FORWARD AS FAR AS HOW WELL APPROACHED THAT WE'RE GONNA TAKE.
OTHER, OTHER QUESTIONS, JUST REALLY FOR THE CITY, I, I NOTICED THAT THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S INSPECTION WAS 2021.
AND I WONDER HOW MUCH THE HOUSE HAS CHANGED IN TWO YEARS, UM, BASED ON HIS ASSESSMENT THEN IT DID NOT.
A HOUSE DID NOT RISE TO THE LEVEL OF DETERIORATION, BUT DOES REQUIRE FURTHER ACTION, BUT PERHAPS IT HAS, IT MIGHT BE GOOD IF HE WOULD TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK.
SO, WELL, ONE QUESTION MIGHT BE WHETHER OR NOT ANY, UH, IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE SINCE THEN.
IT HASN'T, DANIEL, OR HAS IT DE YOU KNOW, WAS IT IN THAT CONDITION THAT THE OPEN DABS? SO, UH, UH, ONE QUESTION THAT DID COME UP, UH, WAS WHETHER OR NOT, UM, AT LEAST FOR ME, WHETHER OR NOT THE CINDER BLOCKS UNDERNEATH WERE ADDED AFTER, UH, MR. EDSEL'S INSPECTION, OR IF THOSE WERE ALREADY PREDATED, THAT I DON'T THINK THEY WERE, NOTHING HASN'T BEEN DONE INTO THE FOUNDATION WORK AT ALL AS FAR AS AROUND THE HOUSE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, CORRECT? MM-HMM.
I, I WOULD REQUEST THAT, BUT IT'S UP TO HIM.
YEAH, BECAUSE IF IT'S, UM, IF IT'S RISEN TO THE LEVEL OF HAZARD, WE HAVE A DIFFERENT ISSUE MM-HMM.
BUT I, I CAN'T MAKE THAT JUDGMENT.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, INSPECTOR'S REPORT THAT WE HAVE HERE, UH, THE INSPECTOR STATES THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS NOT RISEN TO THE LEVEL OF DILAPIDATION.
BUT THAT WAS NOT A CITY INSPECTOR, CORRECT.
THAT WAS, UH, THAT THAT APPEARS TO BE A CITY INSPECTOR ZA WELL, THAT WAS THE 2021.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE INFORMATION WE HAD TO GO ON IN TWO YEARS.
HAS IT RISEN? THAT'S REALLY MY QUESTION.
I, I WOULD SAY THAT TO BALANCE THE INFORMATION ON INSPECTION, WE WOULD ALSO NEED TO HAVE SOME IDEA OF A RESTORATION POINT, PRICE POINT, AND TO EVALUATE WHETHER THE PRICE, IF, IF THE PRICE OF THE RESTORATION ISN'T ANY BALANCE TO THE VALUE, YOU KNOW, OF THE HOME, YOU WOULD WANT THAT INFORMATION, I THINK, TOO.
WE WOULD PROVIDE THAT FOR THE FAMILY, BUT, UH, I THINK AS FAR AS IT BEING A CONTRIBUTING, CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, IT'S GONNA BE SO MUCH OF THAT HOUSE THAT IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE RESTORED BECAUSE OF THE CONDITION OF IT.
SO IT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE THE SPIRIT OF A CON CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
THERE WOULD ALSO BE A COST, OF COURSE, FOR DEMOLITION.
SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO KIND OF WAY THAT COST VERSUS WHAT THE COST OF RENOVATION VERSUS THE OVERALL VALUE OF YOUR HOME IN THE END.
HAVE YOU, I WOULD THINK THEY WOULD WANNA GET A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER TO LOOK AT AND SEE SOME COST SPACES OF WHAT IS, AGAIN, TO BRING IT BACK.
JUST WHAT SELF ENGINEER SAYS IT'S CONDITION IS.
UM, AND I WOULD, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE REPORT WE'RE WAITING FOR OR, UM, WE, WE SHOULD REQUIRE A INSTRUCTURAL ENGINEER TO LOOK AT IT.
UM, I BELIEVE WE CAN'T REQUIRE THAT.
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DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? IS THERE ANY RECONSIDERATION ON YOUR SIDE TO SAVING THE STRUCTURE? IT'S CONSIDERATION ON BOTH SIDES.LIKE I SAID, THE FAMILY'S STILL NAVIGATING THAT, SO WE JUST TRYING TO GET APPROVAL, AND WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE SOME TIME TO KIND OF WAIT AND, AND GO.
THEY KNOW THAT THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE BLUEPRINTS, SO IT'S KIND OF HALF, HALF RIGHT NOW, TO BE HONEST, SO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, AND, AND JUST TO TRY TO PUT THIS IN, IN CONTEXT OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO DO, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THE, IN THE GUIDELINES, AND THIS IS, THIS IS TRUE, UH, REGARDLESS OF, OF WHAT WE DO, DEMOLITION IS AN IRREVERSIBLE ACTION RESULTING IN PERMANENT LOSS OF THE INTEGRITY AND CHARACTER OF HISTORIC RESOURCES.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THAT HOUSE IS IT IS ONE OF THE, IT APPEARS TO BE ONE OF THE EARLY HOUSES BUILT RIGHT AFTER THE FIRE OF 1922.
UM, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE, BUT BASED ON, YOU KNOW, PAST MAPS THAT I'VE SEEN, THAT AREA PROBABLY WAS AN AREA THAT WAS BURNED IN 1922.
SO THIS HOUSE, UM, UH, MATT, I BELIEVE YOU NOTED THAT IT WAS 1925, THAT APPEARS TO BE THE, THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION DAY THAT, I MEAN, THIS, THIS IS AN EARLY POST-FIRE HOUSE.
WALKING THROUGH THE HOUSE, UH, A LOT OF THE, UH, INTERIOR ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES OF THAT PERIOD APPEAR TO BE INTACT.
CERTAINLY THE FENESTRATION OF THE HOUSE, THE WINDOWS, I THINK THERE ARE NINE, OVER NINE OVER ONE, UH, THAT APPEARS TO BE ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE, UH, THE SIDELIGHTS.
SO, I MEAN, THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME REAL ARCHITECTURAL FABRIC THERE TO THAT HOUSE.
UH, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, IN ORDER FOR US TO CONTINUE WITH FORWARD WITH MAKING A DECISION, I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO SEE CERTAINLY A, A, SOME, SOME IDEA OF WHAT THE RESTORATION WOULD COST.
IT IS GOING TO BE EXPENSIVE FOR DEMOLITION AND REDEVELOPMENT, FOR BUILDING SOMETHING ELSE.
UH, THIS IS CERTAINLY AN AREA WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID, YOU KNOW, A, A MISSING TOOTH IN THE, UH, IN THE STREETSCAPE.
IN OTHER WORDS, WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE ANOTHER EMPTY LOT.
UH, THERE ARE HOUSES ALONG THERE, CERTAINLY OF THE 1920S, 1930S PERIOD, UH, THAT, THAT REPRESENT WHAT WAS BUILT BACK RIGHT AFTER THE FIRE.
UH, I'VE, I'VE SAID BEFORE THAT THIS IS NOT THE FINEST HOUSE IN NEWBURN, BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE OF THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES OF THAT MM-HMM.
AND THAT REPRESENTS, YEAH, THIS REPRESENTS AN EXAMPLE OF THAT.
I THINK A, A REALLY STRAIGHTFORWARD WAY OF THINKING ABOUT IT IS THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT WOULD COST TO PUT THAT HOUSE BACK IN, IN, IN A SIMILAR FASHION TO WHAT IT IS AT TODAY'S PRICES AND HOW AFFORDABLE THAT WOULD BE IN THE BIG PICTURE OF THE BUDGET AND THE PROJECT.
YOU AT THIS POINT, YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY PLACE POINT OF COMPARISON.
SO KNOWING THAT MAKES YOU HAVE A BETTER DECISION.
JUST DOING THAT KIND OF WORK AND, AND WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GETTING A ENGINEER INVOLVED AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THAT STRUCTURE'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT.
YOU HAVE A SIDE OF THE HOUSE THAT'S FALLING, WHICH IS ADDED BUILDER'S RISK.
SO THAT'S GOING TO JACK UP THE PRICE ALONG WITH WHAT MATERIAL PRICES IS.
NOW, I THINK THE FAMILY WANTING TO MAKE A SOUND DECISION AS FAR AS DOING SOMETHING AND TRYING TO PRESERVE THE HOUSE IF THEY CAN, BUT I THINK AS FAR AS THE CARTS, IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO TURN INTO AN INVESTMENT PROPERTY TO WHERE THEY CAN MAXIMIZE, UH, THEIR DOLLARS IN THAT AREA.
AND THAT'S JUST BEING HONEST ABOUT THAT AS FAR AS AT THIS POINT, I THINK ALL OF YOU BEING INTO THE STRUCTURE, IT'S FALLING IN.
SO IT'S, IN BUILDING YOU CAN DO PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING, BUT IT IS, IT'S GOING TO BE A, A LOT OF COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
TO ME, AS AN INVESTOR MYSELF, I WOULD BUILD THAT STRUCTURE TO INVEST SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE EQUITY IN THAT HOME AND NOT TRY TO SAVE THAT, WHAT IT IS NOW, BECAUSE YOU SOLELY BUT SO MUCH YOU CAN GET OUT OF THAT HOUSE RIGHT NOW.
I, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE HEARING THOUGH, IS WE, WE'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THAT COST IS, RIGHT? WE WILL, WE CAN PROVIDE THAT FOR YOU.
UM, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO SAY, WE'LL DO THAT.
ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.
I'LL, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS ONE UNTIL THE, UH, MAY MEETING, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO MAKE, TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CONTINUE THE HEARING ON SEVEN 10
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NEW STREET UNTIL MAY 17TH, FIVE 30 AT OUR REGULAR MEETING.UH, JUSTIFICATION IS, UM, LOOKING AT THE GUIDELINES CONSIDERATION.
UM, WE NEED INFORMATION ON OPTIONS FOR REHABILITATION, UM, THE SEEKING ALTERNATIVES TO DEVELOP TO, UH, DEMOLITION.
UH, WE'RE ALSO WAITING ON, UH, SOME INPUT AND FEEDBACK FROM THE STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE RELATED TO THE STRUCTURE.
IS THERE SECOND TO THAT MOTION? SECOND.
THE STATUTE, IN ORDER TO GET THE, UM, IN ORDER TO GET THE STATE TO DO THEIR WORK, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE THEM A FORMAL NOTICE REFERRING TO THE STATUTE.
AND THIS GENTLEMAN'S GONNA DO THAT SHORTLY.
I, UH, I MOVE THAT WE INVOKE NORTH CAROLINA GENERAL STATUTE ONE 60 D DASH 9 47, PARENTHESIS D UH, TO REQUEST TECHNICAL ADVICE FROM THE STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE REGARDING, UH, REGARDING SEVEN 10 NEW STREET, NEW STREET, NEW STREET, NEW STREET, OKAY.
SO SECOND FOR THAT MOTION, SECOND MOVEMENT.
SECONDED THAT WE DO THOSE THINGS.
[4.E. 719 E. Front St. – to include construction of a new 2-story infill house and detached garages.]
FOR SEVEN 19 EAST FRONT.WE'RE LOOKING AT THE APPLICATION HERE.
UH, IT'S ALL FILLED OUT APPROPRIATELY AND, UH, SIGNED AND DATED, AND THEY'RE, UH, DULY APPOINTED, WHETHER AUTHORIZED, UH, REPRESENTATIVE IS, UH, GO ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN.
UM, WE'RE GONNA MOVE PAST THAT FOR THE MOMENT.
AND SO WE HAVE, UH, THEIR PLAN HERE WITH THE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE CONTEXT OF THE SITE.
IT IS THE VACANT LOT IN THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER AND THE BOTTOM TWO PHOTOGRAPHS.
UH, THIS IS AN NOW OUTDATED SITE PLAN.
I'M GOING TO PROVIDE A SITE PLAN THAT WAS PROVIDED EARLIER.
UH, AND I'LL MAKE THIS A LITTLE BIT LARGER.
AND THIS ONE SHOWS, UM, THE HOUSE HERE, UH, IN THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER OF THE SITE.
UM, HERE IT SHOWS IT IS EIGHT FOOT, EIGHT INCHES FROM THE BACK OF THE SIDEWALK TO THE PORCH, AND THEN 15 FEET, UH, FROM QUEEN STREET TO THE STRUCTURE.
UH, AND OTHERWISE IT IS WAY MORE THAN FIVE FEET AWAY FROM EVERYTHING, EVERY OTHER BOUNDARY.
THE ACCESSORY BUILDING ALSO IS, IT'S REQUIRED THREE FEET AWAY FROM ITS BOUNDARY, AND OTHERWISE, ALL THE OTHER DIMENSIONS ARE QUITE A BIT LARGER THAN REQUIRED.
THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE, UH, YOU CAN SEE HERE IN THE BOTTOM THERE'S A DETACHED 30 BY 30 DETACHED GARAGE.
UH, THERE'S A POOL, AND THEN THE MAIN HOUSE AGAIN, UH, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE FRONT STAIRS OUT AT THE SIDEWALK, AND THEN THE FRONT PORCH.
UH, AND THEN WE HAVE OUR ENTRYWAY, UH, THEN TOWARDS THE REAR AND THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THERE IS A SCREENED IN PORCH IN THE RIGHT HAND CORNER, UH, THIS GRAY AREA HERE.
AND THEN THERE IS AN OPEN PORCH, UH, WITH THE, UH, TWO DOORWAYS, AND THEN THE STAIRS DOWN TO THE GROUND BEHIND.
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UM, THERE IS THEN BETWEEN THE HOUSE, UH, WHICH IS THE WHITE AREA, UH, AND THE GARAGE HERE, WHERE IT SHOWS THE CAR, THERE IS A PATIO, WHICH IS SHOWN ALSO IN GRAY, AN OUTDOOR PATIO.AND TO THE LEFT ARE THE MECHANICAL UNITS.
UH, THERE'S A LEVEL CHANGE THERE, WHICH REQUIRES THESE THREE STEPS HERE.
AND THERE'S A SEPARATE SET OF STAIRS, UH, FROM THE PATIO INTO THE HOUSE, UH, UH, I GUESS IN, ON THIS SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
SO THAT KIND OF GIVES AN OVERVIEW OF THAT.
UH, THIS WAS A PLAN WHICH WAS DRAWN TO SHOW THE, UM, SETBACKS AND THE REST OF THE, OF THIS SIDE OF THE BLOCK IN ORDER TO DETERMINE THE FRONT YARD SETBACK, WHICH WAS, UH, THE EIGHT FOOT EIGHT.
AND THEN THIS DRAWING IS NOW TOO LARGE, SO GO A LITTLE BIT SMALLER.
SO THAT IS THAT FIRST FLOOR PLAN THAT I ALREADY TALKED ABOUT.
NOW, TURN JUST SIDEWAYS WITH THE, UM, EAST FRONT STREET IS ON THE RIGHT.
THEN, UH, THE SECOND FLOOR, I ONLY FINALLY INCLUDED.
SO WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO, ALL RIGHT.
SO AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, THE FIRST FLOOR THERE.
THEN THIS IS THE SECOND FLOOR.
UH, AND THE SECOND FLOOR HAS ALSO A, UH, PORCH OUT THE FRONT.
SO THE STREET IS ON THE RIGHT, UH, EAST FRONT STREET IS ON THE RIGHT, AND QUEEN IS ON THE TOP.
UH, THEN IT, THERE'S ALSO A SECOND FLOOR SCREEN DECK ON THE BACK OF THE, OR SCREEN PORCH ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AS WELL.
AND THEN THE REST OF THIS IS THE ROOF AND THINGS BELOW.
AND THAT IS A VIEW OF ALL THE ROOF FORMS. UM, ON THIS ONE, WE CAN SEE, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S A FEW, UH, THESE WITH THESE, UH, STRIPES ARE ACTUALLY THE METAL ROOF AREAS.
SO HERE WE SEE THEN, UH, FRONT VIEW OF THE HOUSE HERE WITH THE, UH, FRONT PORCHES, OPEN, FRONT PORCHES HERE SHADED, UH, BECAUSE, UH, THE WALLS BEHIND THEM ARE IN SHADE.
UH, AND THEN, UH, YOU SEE FOUR WINDOWS ON THE LEFT.
THE HOUSE IS ELEVATED UP, UH, TO THE REQUIRED, UM, FLOODPLAIN ELEVATION, PLUS A FOOT FOR THE, UH, FOR THE, UM, MECHANICAL, UH, DUCT WORK AND SUCH.
UNDERNEATH, UH, THE FOUNDATION IS SOLID BRICK ON THE LEFT, AND A, UM, BASKET WEAVE ON THE RIGHT.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A FULL GABLE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OVER THE PORCHES, OVER THE DOUBLE DECKER PORCH.
AND THEN A, UM, AN EYEBROW, UM, GABLE, UH, ON THE LEFT.
SO THE RIGHT HAND IMAGE IS THE REAR OF THE HOUSE.
UH, SO THIS ONE SHOWS THEN ESSENTIALLY THE, UM, WE HAVE THE GARAGE, UH, IN, SITTING IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE HERE.
UH, SO, BUT, UH, THERE'S ANOTHER IMAGE THAT SHOWS IT WITHOUT THE GARAGE.
AND WE SEE A LARGE GABLE ON THE LEFT AND THE, UM, SLOPING ROOFS ON THE RIGHT, THE, UH, DOUBLE DECKER, UH, DECKS.
BUT THE UPPER ONE IS FULLY SCREENED ALL THE WAY ACROSS LEFT TO RIGHT.
AND THE BOTTOM ONE IS SCREENED ONLY ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE AND OPEN ON THE LEFT.
AND HERE WE HAVE A FOUNDATION THAT'S, AGAIN, GOT THE, UM, OPEN BRICK WEAVE.
UH, ALL THE SIDING IS THE HARDY BOARD SIDING.
UH, AND THE, UH, ROOFING THAT IS NOT METAL IS THE, UM, UH, DIMENSIONAL SHINGLE ROOF.
THE VERTICAL, UM, STRIPES ON THE FLAT SURFACES, AND THE GABLES ARE ALSO HARDY BOARD AND A VERTICAL ORIENTATION.
AND ALL THE WINDOWS HAVE SHUTTERS THAT ARE, UH, THE APPROPRIATE SIZE AND DETAIL.
UH, SO THIS IS WITH THE GARAGE OUT OF THE WAY.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THEN THERE IS A ROOF OVER THAT PATIO AREA, UH, AND YOU CAN NOW SEE THE
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STEPS AND THE DOORWAY INTO THAT BACK PORTION OF THE HOUSE THERE.AND THEN AS, UH, A SECOND OTHER DOORWAY TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, I DIDN'T POINT THAT OUT EARLIER.
AND NOW THIS IS THE QUEEN STREET ELEVATION.
SO ON THE LEFT IS, UH, EAST FRONT STREET AND THE ENTRY STAIRWAY AND THE TWO FRONT PORCHES, UH, THE DOUBLE DECKER FRONT PORCH.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE WINDOW FENESTRATION PATTERN HERE.
UM, THE FOUNDATION UNDER THE MAIN PART OF THE HOUSE IS ALL SOLID WITH THE, UM, FLOOD VENTS.
AND THEN THIS, UH, HORIZONTAL STRUCTURE IN THE MIDDLE IS THE WOOD SLATS THAT ARE, UH, UM, SCREENING THE H V A C, THE MECHANICAL UNITS, UH, THAT ARE UP ABOVE THE FLOOD LEVEL.
SO ABOVE THE PATIO THAT'S BELOW.
UM, AND HERE YOU CAN SEE THE LITTLE BIT OF ROOF THAT'S, UH, CONNECTING BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE GARAGE.
AND, UM, CAN ALSO SEE THE, ON THE, ALL THE WAY ON THE RIGHT, THE LITTLE PINT ROOF THAT WE WILL SEE IN A MINUTE, OR THAT WE WOULD'VE SEEN IF I HAD POINTED IT OUT ON THE REAR ELEVATION OF THE, OF THE HOUSE THAT'S OVER THE GARAGE DOOR.
THEN, UH, THE OPPOSITE SIDE, WHICH IS THE SIDE WHICH WILL FACE THE BLUE HOUSE THAT'S NEXT DOOR, UM, UH, IS THIS ELEVATION.
AND WE HAVE A BIG GABLE HERE ON THIS, ON THIS SIDE, WE HAVE, UH, TWO FULL SIZE WINDOWS.
WE HAVE A PAIR OF, UH, BATHROOM, PAIR OF PAIRS OF BATHROOM WINDOWS.
AND THEN, UM, UH, THIS, THE SIDE VIEW OF THE STAIRS, WHICH LEAD TO THAT SCREEN PORCH ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
AND THE SCREEN PORCH ON THE SECOND FLOOR IS SHOWN HERE TOO.
YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE, UH, ARCHITECTURAL DETAILING OF THE COLUMNS AND, UM, UH, IN, IN THIS VIEW HERE.
UH, AND THEN THE GARAGE IS ON THE LEFT.
AND LASTLY, THIS IS, THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS OF THE FREE-STANDING GARAGE AS WELL, THE 30 BY 30 FREE-STANDING GARAGE.
IT BASICALLY HAS, UH, THE GARAGE DOOR, GARAGE DOOR IS HERE, AND A SINGLE, UH, SINGLE ACCESS DOOR ON THE SIDE, WHICH IS SHOWN IN THE LOWER RIGHT.
OTHERWISE, THE WALLS ARE ALL SOLID WALLS.
THERE IS A LITTLE DETAIL IN THE CABLE WITH SOME VERTICAL SIDING.
UM, OTHERWISE, OH, SO THE, UM, ZONING INSPECTOR, OR ZONING AND BUILDING INSPECTORS HAVE REVIEWED, UH, THIS AND, UH, THE, UM, WE HAVE AN OLD ONE IN AT THE BEGINNING HERE.
UM, BUT HE, WITH THIS, UH, CONFIGURATION THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED TODAY AND NOW DOES MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE, UM, AND THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR, UH, WILL SAYS THAT IT WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT AND FLOODPLAIN DEVELOPMENT PERMIT IS REQUIRED.
SO THEN WE'RE READY WITH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS WHEN YOU ARE, DID YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING, SIR? UM, YES.
SO I SPENT ABOUT AN HOUR ON THE PHONE WITH MATT TODAY DISCUSSING THIS PROJECT.
AND AS YOU KNOW, WHEN WE CAME TO THE PRE-APPLICATION MEETING, WE WANTED TO DISCUSS PLACEMENT.
AND WE HAVE ALTERED THE DRAWINGS TONIGHT WITH THE IDEA THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO FOR VARIANCE, BECAUSE AS IT SITS NOW, THE, THERE ARE THREE, UM, CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES ON THE PROP ON THE BLOCK THAT WE ARE REQUIRED PER THE ORDINANCE TO MEASURE FROM.
AND THAT PUTS THE, THE, THE FARTHEST AWAY DISTANCE THAT WE COULD BE FROM THE PORCH TO THE BACK OF THE SIDEWALK, WHICH IS WHERE I MEASURED AS EIGHT EIGHT, WHICH, UM, THE BLUE HOUSE NEXT DOOR IS AT 16 EIGHT.
AND SO WE WOULD LIKE TO GO FOR 16 EIGHT BECAUSE IT MAKES SENSE NOW THAT THE FLOODPLAIN ELEVATION HAS CHANGED.
THE, THE, THE HOUSES NOW ARE SO MUCH HIGHER.
WE CAN'T EVEN GET STEPS FROM THE FRONT FROM EIGHT EIGHT TO THE SIDEWALK.
UH, LIKE THE TWO HOUSES DOWN THE BLOCK THAT I'VE, I'VE GOT PHOTOGRAPHS OF ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BLOCK, 7 0 2 EAST FRONT, AND THEN THE LITTLE ONE NEXT TO IT, BOTH OF THOSE HOUSES WERE RAISED AND THE STAIRS COME STRAIGHT OUT AND THEY'RE RIGHT AT THE SIDEWALK.
AND SO WITH THE NEW PROPERTY, NEW STRUCTURE, UM, AND ESPECIALLY SINCE THE BLUE HOUSE NEXT DOOR WAS GIVEN APPROVAL TO BE BACK AT
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16 EIGHT, WE THINK THAT IT'S REASONABLE THAT THE HPC, SINCE YOU HAVE GUIDELINES IN, IN YOUR GUIDELINES FOR PLACEMENT MASS AND SCALE AND PLACEMENT, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO ASK FOR AT PRE-APPLICATION.WE WANT YOU TO CONSIDER THE MASS AND SCALE AND PLACEMENT OF THE STRUCTURE.
AND SO FOR TONIGHT, WE'VE PUT IT AT THE EIGHT EIGHT, UM, WE'RE GOING TO BRING IT BACK TO YOU NEXT MONTH AND, UH, ASK FOR YOU TO APPROVE IT AT 16 EIGHT.
AND WE WOULD LIKE SOME SERIOUS DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE OTHERWISE, WHY HAVE PLACEMENT IN YOUR GUIDELINES IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO REFER TO THEM? WE, WE'D BE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN THAT QUESTION IN THE NEXT DESIGN REVIEW, BUT NOT TONIGHT.
UM, SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT TONIGHT, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT IT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE ARE, UM, NO OTHER TWO STORY STRUCTURES THAT ARE THAT CLOSE.
AND JUST IN THE CONSIDERATION OF IT, UM, IT WAS, I HAVE TO, I JUST HAVE TO SAY IT WAS FRUSTRATING TO GO TO PRE-APPLICATION MM-HMM.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE SPENT TIME ON THE PHONE TALKING ABOUT MM-HMM.
SO, BUT WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE THIS TO HAVE THAT.
NO, WE DON'T WANNA CONTINUE IT.
SHE, I THINK SHE'S ASKING TO, TO PROVE THIS WITH THE THOUGHTS TO COME BACK WITH AN AMENDMENT TO IT WHEN SHE GETS A VARIANCE.
SO, I MEAN, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE YOU ALL HEAR IT BECAUSE YOU SAW IT AT PRE-APPLICATION AND THERE WEREN'T ANY, UM, THERE WEREN'T ANY MAJOR.
WE, WE GOT NO NEGATIVE FEEDBACK.
AND THE OWNERS, UM, WITH THE LEAD TIME OF EVERYTHING, THEY WANT TO GET THINGS ORDERED AND GET THINGS GOING.
YOU UNDERSTAND, THOUGH THAT THE SETBACK IS, IS IN THE PURVIEW OF ANOTHER GROUP? A HUNDRED PERCENT.
AND SO WE'RE ALSO GOING TO, AS PART OF THIS REQUEST THAT THAT ORDINANCE CHANGE MM-HMM.
AND, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE DESIGN REVIEW.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE TIMELY FOR THE MEETING THAT YOU, YOU'RE GONNA REQUEST YOUR VARIANCE.
SO, MR. MR. CHAIR, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE RECORD IS CLEAR.
CAUSE I'VE HEARD A LOT OF SEEMINGLY CONFLICTING IDEAS BE EXCHANGED.
SO IS IT THE APPLICANT'S POSITION TODAY THAT HER APPLICATION AS HAS BEEN AMENDED IS COMPLETE MEANING THAT THE CURRENT PLACEMENT OF THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE IS AT 8 8 8 8 8 8 MM-HMM.
AND THAT THE APPLICANT WANTS THE 8.8 PLACEMENT APPLICATION TO BE CONSIDERED AND APPROVED TONIGHT.
WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT SHE'S GOING TO SEEK AN ENTITLEMENT TO MATERIALLY ALTER THE APPLICATION YES.
AND, AND THEN COME BACK HERE FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THE COA, ASSUMING, ASSUMING THAT THAT, THAT TAKES GRANT.
SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE HAVE, THAT'S NOT IN OUR PURVIEW AND WE HAVE TO GO WITH WHATEVER IS DECIDED BY ZONING.
RIGHT? SO I CAN'T, I CAN'T HEAR YOU.
SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, THAT IF, IF IT'S NOT OUR PURVIEW AND SARAH BRINGS BACK OR STONY BRINGS BACK THEIR DECISION, WE ARE SIMPLY, WE ARE SIMPLY DECIDING ON THAT DECISION.
WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER OPINION ABOUT THAT.
IS, IS IT, IS THIS A TWO PART OR JUST THE ZONING PART TO DECIDE ON? I THINK YOUR QUESTION, UM, COMMISSIONER SULLIVAN IS IF THE ZONE, IF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT GRANTS A VARIANCE, WHAT CAN THIS COMMISSION DO? IS THAT YOUR QUESTION? ARE WE DONE MAKE, I MEAN, THEY'VE MADE THEIR DECISION AND THEN WE ARE GOING TO GRANT THAT.
WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO COME BACK TO YOU BEFORE THAT MEETING FOR YOU ALL TO DISCUSS PLACEMENT, BECAUSE WE DON'T FEEL THAT THE ORDINANCE DOES WHAT YOU ALL WHAT IS IN YOUR PURVIEW, WHICH IS TO LOOK AT PLACEMENT OF STRUCTURES,
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WHICH IS IN THE GUIDELINES.SO, I MEAN, IT'S LIKE, I'M, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? LIKE YOU'VE GOT PLACEMENT IN YOUR GUIDELINES, WHICH SAYS, HERE'S HOW YOU PLACE A STRUCTURE, AND THEN THE ORDINANCE SAYS SOMETHING ELSE, WHICH BECAUSE OF THE FLOODPLAIN MAKES IT, YOU KNOW, IMPOSSIBLE TO GET FRONT STAIRS THAT LEAD OUT TO THE SIDEWALK.
WE, I, I THINK WE HAVE TO GO BY THE ORDINANCE.
AND WE'RE TONIGHT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO DO THAT.
SO WHAT ARE YOU, SO TONIGHT YOU'RE ASKING US TO APPROVE WHAT YOU'VE BEEN, WHAT YOU'VE PRESENTED.
AND THEN IF YOU HAVE SOME ALTERNATIVE THING THAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH IT, AS HE SAID, YOU'LL HAVE TO COME BACK TO DESIGN REVIEW TO DO.
WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE ANY MORE DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT.
WELL, LET ME, WE'RE JUST GOING OVER AND OVER AND OVER.
ARE YOU ON THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS CALENDAR FOR THIS MONTH? BECAUSE THEY MEET THE FOURTH MONDAY? NO.
YEAH, SO IT'S, IT'LL BE NEXT MONTH.
THE END OF NEXT MONTH AFTER OUR NEXT WEEK.
SO, SO YOU KNOW WHERE THE RUBBER HITS THE ROAD HERE.
UH, I'M LOOKING AT THE PDF THAT IS PART OF THE PACKET.
UM, AND THEN MATT, WHAT YOU'RE DISPLAYING RIGHT NOW MM-HMM.
IT'S, WHICH MODIFIED TO WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT MATT IS DISPLAYING IS WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING.
AND FROM WHAT I CAN TELL, THAT'S THE ONLY DIFFERENCE.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LITTLE DISTANCE FROM THE SIDEBAR, OTHER THAN THAT EIGHT FEET.
OTHER THAN THAT, THE REST IS THE SAME.
THAT'S WHAT SHE'S ASKING US TO APPROVE.
CAUSE WE GO WITH WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE EVALUATING WHAT WAS IN THE PACKET.
THERE'S ONE SLIGHT MODIFICATION HERE.
I DON'T THINK THAT THAT SLIGHT MODIFICATION IS, LET'S HEAR HIS RECOMMENDATION TO THE APPLICATION THAT WE'RE TRYING TO APPROVE OVERALL.
LET'S HEAR HIS RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE'LL GET BACK TO THE PROCESS.
ARE WE GOING TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT? I'M SORRY.
YOU HAVE TO DO ALL THE, UH, PROPONENTS, OPPONENTS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
I THINK THAT GOES AFTER YOUR RECOMMENDATION, ISN'T IT? NO, NO, NO.
UH, IS THERE ANYONE WHO IS GOING TO SPEAK IN, UH,
UH, WE WERE APPROVED TWICE BEFORE THIS AT 15, SIX OR 16 FOOT OFF THE PROPERTY LINE, THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE.
SO, AND TRIP, IF, IF I'M WRONG, JUST, BUT WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS WE'RE PUTTING A HOUSE ON A CORNER STREET, RIGHT ON THE SIDEWALK, BASICALLY EIGHT FOOT SIX FROM THE SIDEWALK.
SO WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? IF, IF WE CAN PHYSICALLY, IT'S A GUIDELINE.
YOU CAN PHYSICALLY SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE.
SO WHY DO WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH A VARIANCE OR WHATEVER WE HAVE TO DO TO GET TO WHERE WE'RE GOING? IF, IF YOU CAN SET THE GUIDELINES, AND IT'S THE GUIDELINES, I MEAN, IT IS VARIABLE.
IT, I MEAN THAT IT GIVES YOU LEEWAY TO DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH IT.
SO, AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE FAVOR OF THE, IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO HAS, UH, STATUS AND HAS BEEN NOTIFIED WHO WANTS TO SPEAK, UH, UH, IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSAL? UH, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.
AND YOU'VE BEEN SWORN IN? YES.
YOU, I WAS JUST, YOU RECEIVED A LETTER? NO, NO.
IS IT OKAY FOR ME? WHAT'S YOUR STATUS? YOUR STATUS? I DIDN'T KNOW I HAD TO HAVE STATUS TO SPEAK.
YOU NEED TO BE IN A CERTAIN DISTANCE FROM THE PROPERTY.
WELL, I JUST WAS CURIOUS AS FAR AS, HAS THE DES HAS THE DESIGN ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED OF THE PROPERTY? THAT'S JUST, I HAVE A QUESTION.
AND, AND CAN WE GET THE SPEAKER'S NAME? THE DESIGN OF THE HOUSE? WELL, IT HADN'T BEEN APPROVED, HADN'T BEEN, HASN'T BEEN APPROVED.
IT HASN'T BEEN, IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED.
IS THAT WHAT YOUR QUESTION? OKAY.
CAN YOU GIVE YOUR NAME? UM, TRACY RITCHIE.
AND WHERE DO YOU LIVE IN, IN I, I DO NOT LIVE CLOSE TO THAT HOUSE.
WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR ADDRESS? JUST SIX
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20 NEW STREET.IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO HAS STATUS? I E YOU LIVE WITHIN 150 FEET OF THE PROPERTY.
OKAY, WE'RE READY FOR THE RECOMMENDATION.
UM, YOU ALSO WANT TO ASK IF THERE ARE ANY, UM, UH, GOVERNMENT AGENCIES THAT HAVE, AND ARE THERE ANY GOVERNMENT AGENCIES WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT IT? NOBODY ASKED.
AND THEN NORMALLY YOU WOULD ASK FOR OTHER PEOPLE, WHICH IS THEN WHEN MS. UH, I THINK, I THINK WE HEARD IT.
UM, FOR OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, THIS IS FOR, UH, THE APPLICATION FOR SHANNON AND CORCO ENCO ARCHITECTURAL GROUP.
UH, ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, UH, FOR SEVEN 19 EAST FRONT STREET.
UH, THERE IS NO HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME CUZ LET'S A VACANT LOT.
THE PROPOSAL IS TO INCLUDE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW TWO-STORY INFILL HOUSE AND DETACHED GARAGES.
HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES ARE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION.
UTILITIES, 2.3 0.1, TWO AND SIX.
LANDSCAPING, 2.4, 0.2, THREE, FOUR AND FIVE.
FENCES AND GARDEN WALLS, 2.5, 0.1, TWO, THREE, AND FIVE.
ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, 2.6 0.1 AND TWO FOR PARKING.
2.7 0.2 AND FIVE FOR DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, 0.1, TWO AND FOUR FOR INFO CONSTRUCTION, 3.4 0.1, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR FOR FOUNDATIONS.
4.1 0.2, 3, 4, 5 AND SIX FOR WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION, 4.2 0.4 AND FIVE FOR WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS.
4.3 0.23 AND FOUR FOR ENTRANCES, 4.4 0.4 AND FIVE FOR ROOFS.
5.1 0.5 FOR PAINT, 5.4, 0.2, THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE FOR CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS, 5.5 0.1, 2, 3, 5, AND SIX.
AND THE STATEMENTS OF REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION AND STAFF'S JUDGMENT ARE ONE, THE PROJECT IS NEW INFIELD CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
TWO, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES.
THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
AND FOUR, THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COMMISSION TO APPROVE THIS APPLICATION TO INCLUDE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW TWO-STORY INFILL HOUSE AND DETACHED GARAGES WITH A FOLLOWING CONDITION.
UH, CONSTRUCTION OR INSTALLATION OF FENCING.
EXTERIOR LIGHTING AND LANDSCAPING MAY NOT BEGIN UNTIL THE APPLICANT PROVIDES THE HPA THE DRAWINGS, DETAILS AND DESCRIPTION OF SUCH WORK.
AND THE HPA HAS REV REVIEWED THE INFORMATION AND APPROVES BY ISSUING A NEW OR AMENDED COA FOR THE INSTALLATION OF SAID FENCING, LIGHTING, AND LANDSCAPING.
THAT'S THE END OF OUR RECOMMENDATION.
ANY QUESTIONS? DISCUSSION, MEMBERS OF COMMISSION? UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, WE HAVE IN THE PAST GONE THROUGH THE EVALUATION WORKSHEET JUST AS THE WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, UM, HAVE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT IT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WELL, IT'S, IT'S BEEN PRACTICED IN THE PAST TO GO THROUGH THE, UH, EVALUATION WORKSHEET TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE COVERED EVERYTHING.
SO I'LL LET YOU DECIDE YOU CAN USE IT.
WE'VE, WE'VE NOT REALLY, WE'VE NEVER USED IT.
BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, NO.
THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN A TOOL THAT HAS HELPED MM-HMM.
SO I'VE GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
GUIDELINE 4.3 0.4 TALKS ABOUT, UH, OR SPEAKS TO OPERABLE OR FIXED SHUTTERS AND BLINDS.
UM, FOR, FOR THE RECORD, CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT WE'VE GOT THE, UH, HARDWARE ACCOMPANYING THE, THE SHUTTERS REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY'RE FIXED OR OPERABLE? NO, THEY'RE OPERABLE.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS NOTED ON THERE, BUT IT MAY HAVE BEEN.
HUH? PRETTY SURE IT'S, BUT WE'VE GOT THE HARDWARE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE HOLD BACK HARDWARE, THE OWNERS ARE AWARE OF THAT AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
AND THEN MY SECOND QUESTION, UM, GUIDELINE 4.4 0.5, UM, TALKS ABOUT SCREENED IN PORCHES.
WHAT'S THE RELATIONSHIP OF YOUR, YOUR BALL ADES TO YOUR SCREEN? THEY'RE ON THE INSIDE, THE SCREEN IS ON THE OUTSIDE.
WOULD YOU PREFER IT? SO, YEAH, UH, 4.4 0.5 UM, INDICATES THAT SCREENS SHOULD NOT OBSCURE COLUMNS AND BALLADE.
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YEAH, I THINK YOU NEED TO FLIP FLOP THOSE.SO WHAT DOES IT MATTER? COLUMNS.
AND SO THE STRAIGHT AND COLUMNS READ AS PART OF THE FENESTRATION AS OPPOSED TO BEING BEHIND THE SCREENING AND IN THE, IN THE SHADOW WORK OF, OF YOUR DRAWINGS? UM, I MEAN IT JUST, I DON'T THINK IT'S A PROBLEM.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S REFERRING TO, UM, EXISTING HISTORIC FEATURES.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT'S A FUTURE HISTORIC FEATURE? WELL, THIS IS UNDER, UH, GUIDELINES FOR ENTRANCES, 4.4 0.5 ENCLOSED, UH, AND SCREEN PORCHES AND SECONDARY AND TERTIARY ABCS IN A MANNER THAT PRESERVES HISTORIC FEATURES.
THIS IS INFILLED, SO THAT'S NOT REALLY RELATIVE, UH, RELEVANT, BUT WALLS AND SCREENS SHOULD NOT OBSCURE COLUMNS AND BALLISTERS.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM.
WE DIDN'T CALL IT OUT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
JUST FOR THE RECORD, IF THIS SCREEN NEEDS SORTED BE ON THE INSIDE, I DON'T THINK IT'S A PROBLEM.
OTHER QUESTIONS? I THINK WE HAD A THOROUGH REVIEW TWO TIMES.
READY FOR A MOTION? WELL, BEFORE WE GO THERE, I FEEL COMPELLED TO HAVE ONE COMMENT.
WE'VE DONE A LOT OF TALK ABOUT ZONING TONIGHT.
AND, AND ABOUT HPC GUIDELINES.
AND I DON'T THINK WE AS A BOARD SHOULD BE THINKING THAT ONE OVERRIDES ANOTHER.
THERE'S SIMPLY TWO SEPARATE SETS OF REQUIREMENTS, STANDARDS, OR GUIDELINES, AND IT'S THE BURDEN OF THE APPLICANT TO COMPLY WITH THE JURISDICTION THAT HAS THE REQUIREMENTS.
AND, AND SO, SO, YOU KNOW, REGARDLESS OF WHATEVER ZONING, SETBACK DIMENSION THERE MAY BE, YOU KNOW, WE, UH, IN A WAY, UH, THE APPLICANT'S CORRECT.
WE'RE, WE'RE EVALUATING PLACEMENT, UM, IN TERMS OF WHAT WE SEE ON THE SITE PLAN.
AND IF IT'S NOT COMPLIANT WITH ZONING, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IT'S GOING TO COME BACK TO US.
SO, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THOSE TWO THINGS ARE TIED TOGETHER AS YOU THINK THROUGH HOW WE, WE APPROACH THIS APPLICATION, THIS WHERE IT GETS TRICKY BECAUSE THERE IS ANOTHER INFILL THAT HAS A SET A PRECEDENT OF BEYOND WHAT THE VARIANT HAS BEEN IN THE PAST.
AND SO ARE WE JUDGING AN INFILL BY, WELL, WE'RE JUDGING WHAT THE APPLICANT CONTAINS IN THE APPLICATION.
WE'RE JUDGING WHAT THE APPLICANT PUTS IN THE APPLICATION FOR THIS TIME.
AND MR. CHAIR, WHOEVER'S GONNA MAKE THE MOTION, IT, IT WOULD BE PRUDENT TO MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE OR DENY THE APPLICATION AS AMENDED.
SINCE THERE'S BEEN A, YOU'RE WITH US AMENDED PRESENTED TONIGHT.
AS AMENDED AND AS IT APPEARS TONIGHT, CORRECT? YES.
FOR THE SCREEN, WE NEED A MOTION.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE TO FIND THE APPLICATION, THE AMENDED APPLICATION FOR SEVEN 19 EAST FRONT STREET TO BE NOT IN CONGRESS WITH NEW BURNS.
CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTIONS 15 4 11 TO 4 29 4 AND NEW BURNS.
HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES, STANDARDS BASED ON THE FOLLOWING, SPECIFIC STANDARDS AND FINDINGS OF FACT DEVELOPMENT.
PATTERN TWO, UH, 2.1, 0.1, TWO AND THREE.
UTILITIES, 2.3 0.1, TWO AND SIX.
LANDSCAPING 2.4, 0.2, THREE, FOUR AND FIVE.
FENCES AND GARDEN WALLS, 2.5 0.1, 2.5 0.23 AND FIVE.
TWO ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, 2.6 0.1 AND TWO.
DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, 0.1, TWO AND FOUR.
INFILL CONSTRUCTION, 3.4 0.1, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR FOUNDATIONS, 4.1 0.2 3 4 5, 6.
WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION, 4.2 0.4 AND FIVE.
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ROOFS FIVE, 4.5 0.4 AND SIX.MASONRY, 5.1 0.5, PAINT 5.4 0.2345.
CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS, 5.5 0.1, 2, 3, 5, AND SIX.
AND THE STATEMENTS OF REASON THE PROJECT IS IN IS NEW INFIELD CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
THE PRO PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES.
WITH THE NOTATION OF THE SCREENING ON THE BACK PORCH.
UH, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING ITS OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
AND THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
I HAVE ONE CONS CONDITION THAT CONSTRUCTION OR INSTALLATION OF FENCING, EXTERIOR LIGHTING AND LANDSCAPING, MAY NOT BEGIN UNTIL THE APPLICANT PROVIDES TO THE ADMINISTRATOR THE DRAWINGS, DETAILS, AND DESCRIPTION OF SUCH WORK.
AND THE ADMINISTRATOR HAS REVIEWED THE INFORMATION AND APPROVED BY ISSUING A NEW OR AMENDED COA FOR THE INSTALLATION OF SAID FENCING, LIGHTING, AND LANDSCAPING.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND MOVES.
UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT YOU CHANGE THE WORDS FROM STATEMENTS OF REASON TO FINDINGS OF FACT.
NOW WE NEED A MOTION TO, UH, UH, ISSUED ISSUE A COA.
[4.F. 411 Broad St. – to include a new pavilion in the Tertiary AVC]
11 BROAD STREET.SO IT'LL BE A, IT'LL BE A BIT, YOU MIGHT WANT TO JUST SIT DOWN.
UH, APPLICATION IS SHOWN HERE, AND SOME GUIDELINES AND ATTACHED DRAWINGS.
AND WE HAVE, SORRY, I'M SORRY.
THE, UM, I DO HAVE THE, UH, UM, UM, AUTHORIZATION FORM FOR MR. HOVELAND.
HE IS THE TENANT, NOT THE, UM, OWNER.
SO TO BE THE AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE OF THE OWNER.
SO THIS IS A SITE PLAN, UH, OF THE PROPERTY.
AND WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THIS BUILDING HERE IN, UH, THE SPACE BEHIND THIS BUILDING HERE, SHOWN IN THE CROSSHATCHING.
AND IT'S THIS WHITE AREA HERE IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER OF THE, OF THE OVERALL PROPERTY.
AND HE'S PROPOSING AS, SO, UH, MAYBE TO NOTE THERE IS THAT THE, THAT WHITE AREA HAS, UH, A PORTION OF THE BUILDING ON THE LEFT, UH, AND A PORTION OF THE BUILDING, UH, ABOVE OR AT THE TOP, UH, OF IT.
UH, AND HE IS RENTING THE RIGHT HAND HALF OF THIS BUILDING LEASING.
SO HERE THE SKETCH, UH, SHOWS, AND SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER THIS PROJECT, WE HAD THIS ONE, UH, SOMEWHAT EARLIER TO REVISE SOME OF THE WINDOWS AND DOORS AT THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
THE BACK OF THE BUILDING IS THE TOP OF THE PAGE HERE.
AND THEN THE BUILDING ON THE LEFT IS SHOWN HERE ON, ON THIS LEFT HAND SIDE.
AND ACTUALLY THERE IS A NEIGHBORING BUILDING THAT DID NOT SHOW UP ON THE PREVIOUS PLAN ON THE RIGHT.
SO THEY BASICALLY HAVE A U-SHAPED, UH, SPACE WITH BUILDINGS ALL AROUND.
AND THEN AT THE BOTTOM IS OPEN TO THE PARKING LOT.
AND, UH, AND THE PREVIOUS, UH, UH, APPLICATION THAT WAS APPROVED, UM, THEY WERE APPROVED TO PUT A FENCE ALONG
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THIS EDGE HERE FOR THE GATE IN THE MIDDLE.AND ALSO, UH, THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION WAS TO ALLOW THEM TO, UM, CREATE A PATIO, UH, THERE WITH SOME, UH, PAVED, I BELIEVE, UH, CONCRETE, UH, PAVING FOR THE WHOLE AREA.
UM, SO THEY WOULD NOW LIKE TO CREATE A PAVILION ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING.
IN ADDITION, UH, UM, UH, IN OVER THAT PATIO AREA.
AND HERE WE JUST SEE IN THIS PLAN ALL THE POSTS BASICALLY, AND THE OUTLINE OF THE PAVILION, BASICALLY FILLING THE SPACE WITH SOME OVERHANG.
UH, AT THE BACK, UH, THE, SOME DETAILS HERE, UM, THERE WOULD BE A GAP, SIX TO 10 INCH GAP AROUND THE, WITH THE ROOFING ALL THE WAY AROUND, EXCEPT FOR, UH, AGAINST THE TOP OF THE, THE TOP HERE WHERE IT'S GOING TO ATTACH TO THE BUILDING.
AND IN THIS PARTICULAR SKETCH DOESN'T SHOW THAT ATTACHMENT TO THE BUILDING.
UM, BUT I BELIEVE HE'S, UH, PROPOSING THAT ATTACHMENT NOW.
UM, AND SO THE, THIS IS JUST A SECTION THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE, UM, STRUCTURE, UH, WITH THE ROOF SHOWN AT THE TOP.
THERE WILL OF COURSE BE ROOF STRUCTURE UNDERNEATH THE ROOF
UH, WE'LL SAY HE'S DRAWING IT THROUGH A SPACE BETWEEN THE, UH, THE CEILING JOIST.
UM, BUT HE IS SHOWING EIGHT BY EIGHT POSTS.
UH, IT'S NINE FEET AT THE, TO THE BOTTOM OF THE ROOFING AT THE BOTTOM, AND, UH, 11 FOOT SIX INCHES TO THE TOP OF THE ROOFING AT THE TOP.
UH, AND IT'S A TOTAL OF 23 FEET FROM THE, FROM THE EXISTING BUILDING TO THE OUTSIDE, UH, POST, UH, CLOSEST TO THE PARKING LOT, WHICH WOULD BE OFF TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE PAGE.
AND THEN THIS IS A REAR VIEW OR FRONT VIEW, HE CALLS IT, UH, FROM THE PARKING LOT TOWARDS THE STRUCTURE IS SHOWING AGAIN, THE FOUR ROWS OF POSTS AND THE SLOPING ROOF.
UH, THE ROOF ITSELF, UM, WILL BE, UM, UH, THE STRUCTURE IS WOOD SALT TREATED.
UM, THE ROOFING IS CHANGED FROM ASPHALT SHINGLES TO METAL ROOFING.
AND IT'S, UH, THE, UM, STANDING SCENE THAT COMPLIES WITH THE REQUIREMENTS.
YES, THE WOOD IS OPAQUE STAINED AND THAT, I THINK THAT'S ALL THAT THAT SHOWS ANYMORE.
AND THAT'S IT ON THE APPLICANT'S APPLICATION.
WE HAVE OUR ZONING AND INSPECTIONS REVIEW HERE.
UM, ZONING ADMINISTRATOR SAYS IT DOES MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE AND BUILDING INSPECTOR SAYS IT WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.
I HAVE THE AUTHORIZATION OF MY, MY FILES.
UM, DO WE NEED TO SEE THAT? YES.
GOOD THING THAT BROUGHT THE FILES.
UM, DO I NEED ON THE SCREEN, DO YOU THINK? SO THIS IS, BLESS.
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THERE YOU GO.CHRIS, DO YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING? UH, NO SIR, BUT I DO HAVE SOME, ACTUALLY IS GONNA PROFESSIONALLY DRAW THAT UP AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S HURRICANE PROOF AS WELL.
ARE THERE PROPONENTS OR OPPONENTS OF THE PROJECT THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK GOVERNMENTAL AUTHORITIES? HEARING NONE OF ANY OF THOSE WE'RE READY FOR RECOMMENDATIONS THEN.
YOU GOTTA CHANGE BACK TO THE COMPUTER.
IS THAT ME? OH, DON'T TOUCH IT.
NO MORE TECHNICAL PROBLEMS, PLEASE.
SO THIS IS FOR THE APPLICANT, CHRIS HOLAND.
UH, THE PROJECT ADDRESS IS FOUR 11 BROAD STREET, UH, STORED PROPERTY NAME IS STORES.
AND IT WAS BUILT CIRCA 1925 AS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
THE INVENTORY DESCRIBES IT AS FOUR 11 TO FOUR 13 BROAD STREET.
IT IS ONE STORY BRICK TWIN STORES WITH DIAMOND PATTERN DESIGNS ABOVE STOREFRONTS, STEPPED PARAPETS IN THE FLAT ROOF.
AND SANDECK HAS NOTHING RELEVANT TO THE REAR WALL OR PATIO SPACE.
SO FOUR 11 BROAD STREET TO INCLUDE A NEW PAVILION ADDITION IN THE TERTIARY ABC.
SO I'M GOING TO PREFACE THIS ONE WITH, UH, UM, THAT IT WAS FIRST SUBMITTED AS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
UH, BUT ACCESSORY STRUCTURES HAVE, UH, SETBACKS THAT DO NOT ALLOW FOR, UH, THAT WOULD NOT ALLOW THIS.
UM, SO IT HAS BECOME AN ADDITION.
SO IF YOU CHOOSE TO, UM, REVIEW IT AS ONE OR THE OTHER, UM, WE WOULD LEAVE OUT, FOR EXAMPLE, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES AND JUST GO TO DESIGN PRINCIPLES, UH, BECAUSE THIS IS NOW BEING CONSIDERED AN ADDITION.
DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, 0.1 AND TWO MODIFICATIONS, 3.2 0.1 ADDITIONS, 3.3 0.1, AND TWO ROOFS, 4.5 0.4.
THIS IS ADDRESSING THE STANDING SCENE, METAL ROOF PAINT, 5.4, 0.23 AND FOUR.
AND CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS, 5.5 0.10, NO, THAT'S, SORRY, THESE DO NOT, UH, APPLY SINCE IT'S NOT, UH, DETACHED FROM THE, SO, UM, NOT DETACHED FROM THE STRUCTURE.
SO CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS DO NOT COUNT.
I DON'T GET TO SAY THAT BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION AND STAFF'S JUDGMENT, R ONE, THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE DENSE FABRIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
THE PROJECT IS AN ADDITION TO A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE WITHIN THE TERTIARY ABC.
THREE OF THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES.
FOUR, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
AND FIVE, THE PROJECT DOES NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COMMISSION APPROVE THIS APPLICATION TO INCLUDE A NEW PAVILION ADDITION IN THE TERTIARY ABC.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR RECOMMENDATION.
ANY DISCUSSION? COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? COUPLE QUESTIONS.
THIS MAY BE A DIFFERENCE IN THE, THE ONE I DOWNLOADED, BUT IT'S NOW ATTACHED SO THERE'S NO GUTTER.
UH, BUT THEN YOU SHOW THAT WHEN DRAWING THE
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FIRST DRAWING, YOU SHOW AN OVERHANG THAT DOESN'T COME TOGETHER.IS THAT TRUE OR IS THE OVERHANG YEAH, NO OVERHANGS AT THE LOW END, NEAR THE, AT THE LOW END.
THE OVERHANG SHOWS A BREAK IN YOUR DRAWING.
SO IS THAT TRUE? I SEE WHAT I DID THERE, BUT OVERHANG, IT'S, IT'S, THERE'S A WALKWAY THERE AND IT WILL CONTINUE TO BE THE ENTRANCE OR EXIT, UH, OUT OF THAT.
BUT IT ALL HAS AN OVER, IT ALL HAD OVERHANG.
AND THEN YOU MENTIONED THE STANDING SCENE, METAL ROOF IN YOUR DESCRIPTION, BUT THEN WHAT'S WRITTEN ON HERE IS ASPHALT SHINGLES ON YOUR, THE DOCUMENT WE HAVE, HE ADDRESSED THAT IT'S METAL.
DO WE HAVE ANY PICTURES OF THE REAR SIDE OF THE BUILDING? THE REAR SIDE? YEAH.
UM, THAT WOULD BE WAY BACK MY FIRST TIME IN, IN MY FILES I DO.
BUT, UH, IF IT'S NOT TOO MUCH, I, I'D LIKE TO SEE THEM.
SO, SO WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THAT, UM, CHRIS, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'VE GOT A VOID TRUCTURE ON THE MEMBERS AND DECKING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A METAL ROOF, UM, AND YOU KNOW, I GUESS A CONCRETE FURTHER BACK, UH, CONCRETE SLAB OR ARE THERE ANY OTHER MATERIALS INVOLVED IN THIS OTHER THAN THOSE THREE? THAT, THAT WAS IT WHEN I FIRST CAME, MY FIRST MEETING, WHICH, UM, I ALREADY GOT PASSED THROUGH, BUT IT WAS A CONCRETE PATIO.
UM, AND AT FIRST I WAS JUST GONNA PUT SUN SAILORS UP THERE AND I THOUGHT, SURE.
DO IT RIGHT, DO IT THE FIRST TIME.
SO, UM, YEAH, WOOD AND AND METAL.
AND, AND SO KIND OF ALONG THOSE SAME LINES FOR MY COLLEAGUES, YOU KNOW, WE PROBABLY DON'T HAVE ANY CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS EITHER.
SO IN THE MOTION WE'LL ELIMINATE THAT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WHILE WE'RE LOOKING FOR THAT PICTURE? NO.
YOU'RE ALMOST THERE, MR. SHELLY.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I CAN FIND AT THE MOMENT.
IS THIS PROBABLY THE MOST CREATIVE DRAWINGS Y'ALL? YES, BUT IT'S EFFECTIVE.
I GUESS THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT IS THE BACK.
CUZ AT FIRST TO THE LEFT, WE WERE GONNA PUT ANOTHER DOOR THERE, BUT THE, UH, WE STAYED WITH THE RED DOOR THAT'S DEAD CENTER IN THE MIDDLE.
WE DID CLOSE BRICK THE WINDOW UP TO THE RIGHT WITH THE BARS ON IT MM-HMM.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, THE ARCHITECT'S BUILDING IS TO THE RIGHT.
AND ACTUALLY IT, IT COMES OUT, UH, 1215 FEET.
YOU CAN SEE A WOODEN FENCE THERE.
SO IT DOESN'T COMPLETELY MAKE IT A, A U UH, THERE IS PARTIAL OPEN.
UM, NOW YOU DO HAVE A CHIMNEY OVER HERE ON THE LEFT SIDE THAT IS MORE THAN SIX TO 10 INCHES DEEP.
MAYBE A FOOT OR FOOT AND A HALF.
SO, UH, YOUR DRAWING SHOWS, UH, SIX TO 10 INCHES FROM THE WALL.
SO YOUR, THIS CHIMNEY WILL, UH, PROJECT INTO YOUR ROOF.
WELL, ACTUALLY, WHAT I THINK, UM, THAT IS, UM, NOT TO MESS UP WITH THE BRICK TO KEEP IT HISTORICAL, THE BUILDING TO YOUR LEFT, BUT THE CHIMNEY IS, UM, CINDER BLOCK.
SO I THINK I WOULD ATTACH THE ROOF TO THAT.
NOW WHAT HE'S ATTACH THE WALL, I THINK WHAT MR. SHELLEY IS SAYING, THAT YOU NEED TO CUT OUT YOUR ROOF ON THE PLACE AND MAKE PREPARATIONS TO SEAL AROUND THAT.
WELL, THAT'S, YES, THAT IS CORRECT.
SO THAT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE REFLECTED IN YOUR DRAWING.
AND YOU JUST SAID YOU'RE GONNA ATTACH IT TO THAT.
SO YEAH, WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL MORE ATTACH TO THAT.
SO NOW IT'S NOT, NOT SIX TO 10 INCH GAP.
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WE HAD MISUNDERSTOOD AND SO I WAS SUPPOSED TO NOT ATTACH ANYTHING, BUT THEN MR. SHELLEY SAID, HEY, THAT'S INCORRECT.SO NOW I'M, THAT HAPPENED ON MONDAY, SO I DIDN'T BRING, I DIDN'T KNOW TO BRING ANOTHER DRAWING.
SO THE LEFT WALL AND THE BACK WALL, CAN WE MAKE THAT CONDITIONAL THAT WE GET UPDATED DRAWINGS? MM-HMM.
WE NEED A MOTION THEN WITH THE CONDITION AND, AND OMITTING THE OLD, THE, UH, WHAT KIND OF MATERIALS? THE, UH, CONTEMPORARY CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS SECTION AND, AND AS AMENDED, REMEMBER, SOMEONE WANT TO DO THAT.
I MOVED TO FIND THE APPLICANT 44 11 BROAD STREET TO BE NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH NEW BURN'S.
CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTIONS 15.4, 11 DASH 15.4 29 AND NEW BURN'S, HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACTS.
SO WE START WITH, UM, DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, 0.1 AND TWO MODIFICATIONS, 3.2 0.1, ADDITIONS, 3.3 0.1, AND TWO ROOFS, 4.5 0.4, PAINT, 5.4, 0.23, AND FOUR.
UH, STATEMENT, FINDINGS OF FACT, BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTINUING CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION IN STAFF'S JUDGMENT ARE NUMBER ONE, THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE DENSE FABRIC PATTERN, DE DE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN NUMBER TWO, THE PROJECT IS IN ADDITION TO A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE WITHIN THE TERTIARY ABC.
NUMBER THREE, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES.
NUMBER FOUR, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT, INC.
AND NUMBER FIVE, THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
AND THIS IS CONDITIONAL THAT, UH, UPDATED DIMENSION, UH, DRAWINGS, DRAWINGS WILL BE SUBMITTED.
IS THERE A SECOND FOR THAT? MOTION? SECOND.
WE APPROVE WITH THE CONDITION.
WHO WAS THE SECOND? I KNOW RUTH DID.
WE ISSUE A COA FOR THE PROJECT.
[4.G. 501 Metcalf St – to include replacing the rear screened porch, enlarging the rear deck, new front walkways, a new driveway, and new landscaping, all in the Primary and Secondary AVCs.]
MEDCAP.THIS IS THE APPLICATION, UH, AND THE APPLICATION IS SIGNED AND DATED.
AND HERE WE HAVE THE OWNER'S AUTHORIZATION FOR GO ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN.
AND HERE'S THE FRONT PAGE, THE FRONT OF THE PROJECT.
AND, UM, SINCE THE, UH, DESIGN REVIEW MEETING, UH, THE APPLICANTS HAVE DECIDED TO NOT REPLACE THE FRONT SIDEWALK, BUT TO ACTUALLY RESET THE EXISTING TILES.
SO THAT IS JUST A REPAIR PROJECT, SO IT'S NO LONGER PART OF THIS.
IT'S NO LONGER NEEDS, UM, UH, COA APPROVAL, SO IT'S NO LONGER PART OF THE APPLICATION.
UH, AND THEN WE SEE THE OTHER PHOTOGRAPHS ARE, UH, THE, UH, THE BACKYARD, THE BACK ELEVATION, THE REAR ELEVATION, UH, VIEWS OF THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, AND ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE BACKYARD.
UH, AND IT SHOWS THE EXISTING TREE THAT'S THERE.
RIGHT? UM, NOW THE, UH, SITE PLAN SHOWS THE, UM, UH, NO LONGER INCLUDES THE FRONT, UH, UH, WALKWAY OUT FROM THE PORCH TO THE SIDEWALK, UH, BUT DOES INCLUDE THE WALKWAY FROM
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THAT SIDEWALK, UH, UP TO THE, UH, SIDE PORCH.UH, AND IF YOU MIGHT REMEMBER, THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION DURING DESIGN REVIEW HAD, UH, PARKING AREA OUT FRONT.
THEY'VE, UH, REMOVED THAT FROM THE APPLICATION.
UM, SO TOWARDS THE BACK, UH, WHERE MOST OF THE WORK WILL BE HAPPENING IS, UH, THE REMOVAL AND THEN REPLACEMENT OF THE SCREENED IN PORCH WITH A LARGER SCREENED IN PORCH AS LARGE SQUARE AREA.
AND THEN AN EXTENSION OF THE EXISTING DECK OUT TO, UH, FARTHER SO THAT, UH, YOU CAN WALK DIRECTLY FROM ONE TO THE OTHER THROUGH THE DOORWAY THERE.
AND THERE'S, UH, THE STAIRS FROM THE OLD DECK, UM, UH, ARE REMOVED AND NEW STAIRS ARE PROVIDED DOWN TO THE GROUND HERE.
AND THERE IS A NEW BRICK, UH, PAVER WALKWAY OVER TO THE SHED.
AND IS THE PLANS FOR THAT? THE DEMOLITION IS ON THE LEFT REMOVING THE VARIOUS PARTS.
UH, AND THEN THE, UH, THE NEW ON THE RIGHT.
SO FOUR ELEVATIONS, TWO AT THE TOP ARE DEMOLITIONS.
SO TO REMOVE, UH, THE EXISTING, UH, PIECES FROM BOTH THE BACK AND THE SIDE.
AND THEN THE NEW PROPOSALS ARE HERE ON THE BOTTOM.
SO HERE WE HAVE, UM, THE PRIMARY THING IS THE NEW ADDITION, THE NEW EXPANDED, UM, OR ENLARGED, UH, SCREEN PORCH.
UM, IT HAS A LOW SLOPING METAL ROOF, UH, AND HAS, UH, SOME, UH, WOOD TRELLIS, UH, BETWEEN THE BRICK PIERS.
UH, AND THEN THE, UH, DECK NOW HAS A RAILING, WHEREAS BEFORE IT HAD NO R OH, I GUESS IT HAD LIKE AN OPEN RAILING.
UM, THIS ONE HAS RAILING WITH BALLISTERS.
UH, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE ALL THAT FROM THE SIDE AS WELL.
THE HIP ROOF, UM, DOES HAVE A RIDGE.
UH, AND THEN IT DOES WRAP SLIGHTLY AROUND THE HOUSE, UM, TO, UH, PICK UP WHERE THE PREVIOUS ROOF HAD BEEN COVERING AS WELL.
UH, AND THEN ON THIS ELEVATION, YOU SEE THE RAILING AND THE BALLISTERS AND THE STEPS AND THE FOUNDATION.
OH, AND OF COURSE, ALL THE SCREENING.
AND, UM, I'M GUESSING WE'RE GONNA BE ASKING THEM TO CHANGE THE SCREENING TO BEHIND THE HANDRAIL OR BEHIND THE RAILING ON THIS ONE AS WELL.
SO THERE WAS SOME HISTORY ABOUT THE GLAZE TITLES.
UH, AND THEN, UH, A SANDBORN MAP EXCERPT, UH, SHOWING THE HOUSE, UH, IN, AS A SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ONE IN THE UPPER RIGHT NEXT TO THE NUMBER 10.
UH, AND IT SHOWS THE FRONT PORCH.
AND THEN IT SHOWS THAT THERE HAD BEEN A ONE STORY, UH, L ON THE BACK, UH, AND A, UH, SCREEN, UH, OR A PORCH, A TWO STORY PORCH ON THIS CORNER.
IT'S WHAT THE NUMBER TWO REPRESENTS.
UH, BUT WITH A ONE STORY L FULLY ENCLOSED, UH, PIECE OF THE BUILDING ON THE LEFT.
AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO A ONE STORY PORCH BREEZEWAY, APPARENTLY TO ANOTHER STRUCTURE OF THE BACK THAT'S BEEN CUT OFF HERE.
SO ALL VERY IN, THAT'S VERY UNIQUE, ACTUALLY, CONFIGURATION FROM 1898.
SO, UM, AND SO THEN ALSO THE APPLICATION INCLUDES LANDSCAPING.
UH, THIS IS THE LANDSCAPING PLAN, UH, THAT, THAT, THAT IS PROPOSED.
AND I THINK WE DISCUSSED THAT A LITTLE BIT AT THE DESIGN REVIEW.
AND HERE'S THE LANDSCAPING PLANTING LIST.
SO THE ZONING AND INSPECTIONS FORM, UH, SHOWS THAT THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR STATES THAT IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF LAND USE ORDINANCE.
AND THE BUILDING INSPECTOR SAYS IT WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.
AND THEN WE'RE READY WITH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AFTER YOU.
UM, WE ALSO HAD REQUESTED TO REPLACE THE FRONT STEP TO REBUILD IT, UH, WIDER SO THAT WE CAN HAVE HANDRAILS ON THE FRONT PORCH TO MATCH.
UH, WHAT'S THERE? THAT SHOULD BE IN THE APPLICATION.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT GETS IN THERE.
SO, UM, OOPS, UH, REBUILD BRICK STEPS HERE.
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MENTIONED THE HANDRAIL THOUGH, AS WELL.UH, YEAH, THE, I THINK THE PAGE BEFORE THAT JUST CALLED IT OUT ON THE PHOTOGRAPHS AS WELL.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE'S A METAL RAILING AT THE FRONT PORCH, AND THE STEPS ARE NOT WIDE ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THE COLUMN TO ATTACH A HANDRAIL TO THE COLUMN.
SO THEY WANT TO WIDEN THOSE STEPS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MATCH THE, THE HANDRAIL AND PICKETS ON THE FRONT AS A HANDRAIL COMING DOWN.
AND THAT SHOULD BE WORDED IN THE APPLICATION AS WELL.
SO NEW HAND RAILING AND PICKETS LINE UP WITH THE EXISTING FRONT PORCH COLUMNS, RAILING AND PICKETS TO MATCH EXISTING.
ARE THE NEW HAND RAILINGS GONNA BE WOODEN? THE MATCH PICKETS ON THE FRONT.
ANY OPPONENTS OR PROPONENTS WHO, WHO ARE, UH, NO.
YOU HAVE TO COME, COME TO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE.
AND, AND YOU LIVE SOMEWHERE IN PROXIMITY? YES.
UM, AGAIN, TRACY RITCHIE SIX 20 EAST STREET.
UM, I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE PORCH.
SO THAT'S TWICE AS BIG AS THE SCREEN PORCH.
I CAN'T TELL, I'M SITTING BACK HERE.
IS, IS THAT A QUESTION? THAT'S A QUESTION, YEAH.
AND THAT FITS IN WITH THE, THE SIZE OF THE BACKYARD.
READY FOR RECOMMENDATIONS? ALL RIGHT.
SO THIS IS FOR, UH, THE APPLICANTS MARK AND PATRICIA CONARD.
UH, AND, UH, THE ADDRESS IS 5 0 1 METCALF STREET.
THE HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME IS THE GEORGE H. ROBERTS HOUSE, CIRCA 1874 TO 1875 IS CONTRIBUTING, UH, STRUCTURE.
AND THE INVENTORY DESCRIPTION FROM 1988 IS TWO STORIES, TWO BAYS WIDE, BRACKETED CORNUS GABLE FRONT ROOF, WITH HIGHLY, HIGHLY ORIGINAL SONG BARGE BOARDS.
UH, SANDECK ACTUALLY HAD QUITE A BIT OF THINGS, BUT NOTHING REGARDING THE REAR OF THE HOUSE.
SO, 5 0 1 METCALF STREET TO INCLUDE REPLACING THE SCREENED PORCH, ENLARGING THE REAR DECK, NEW WALKWAY, AND NEW LANDSCAPING, AND NEW FRONT STEPS AND HANDRAILS,
UH, SO THE STEPS SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES AS APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR LANDSCAPING.
DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, 0.1 3.1 0.2 FOR MODIFICATIONS.
3.2 0.1 3.2 0.2 FOR ADDITIONS.
3.3 0.1, TWO, AND THREE FOR FOUNDATIONS.
4.1 0.3 AND FOUR FOR WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION.
AND 4.4 0.5 FOR DEX AND PATIOS.
5.1, 0.2, THREE, AND FIVE FOR WOOD.
THE STATEMENTS, A REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION AND STAFF'S JUDGMENT ARE ONE, THE STRUCTURES OF CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE AND THE TIGHT WAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
TWO, THE PROJECT IS IN ADDITION AND MODIFICATIONS TO A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND THE SITE WITHIN THE PRIMARY AND SECONDARY ABCS.
THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF GUIDELINES.
THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
AND FIVE, THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
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SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COMMISSION APPROVE THIS APPLICATION TO INCLUDE REPLACING THE REAR SCREEN PORCH, ENLARGING THE REAR DECK, NEW WALKWAY, NEW LANDSCAPING, AND NEW FRONT STEPS AND HANDRAILS ALL IN THE PRIMARY AND SECONDARY ABCS.QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION? JUST ONE, ONE.
ARE YOU REUSING THOSE BRICKS OR ALL NEW BRICKS OR WHAT THE, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE NEW BRICK.
SO ALL NEW BRICKS, SO THAT THEY'RE PROBABLY ORIGINAL.
HAS SHE SWORN IN? UM, HAS SHE BEEN SUPPORTED? YES.
UM, WE'D LIKE TO USE, UH, SIMILAR BRICKS TO THE ONES THAT COME OUT OF THE KITCHEN STEPS.
IF WE COULD GET THOSE TO LOOK SIMILAR, BECAUSE THOSE ARE REALLY NICE LOOKING AND WE JUST, WE'D LIKE TO KEEP THAT, THAT'S THE GOAL.
I, I JUST A HISTORIC FABRIC QUESTION.
I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT THAT WOULD BE BRICK STEPS IN THE FRONT THERE.
YOU THINK ON A, ON A WOOD STRUCTURE BUILT IN 18, I HAVE NO IDEA.
I CAN HARDLY PICTURE BRICK STEPS THERE INSTEAD OF WOODEN STEPS.
I MEAN, IT PROBABLY WAS ORIGINALLY WOOD STEPS.
WE'RE HUNG UP ON REPLACING WOOD WITH BRICK, BUT I THINK BRICK CAN BE REPLACED, SO YEAH.
IF IT, IF IT WAS WOOD, WE'D HAVE A PROBLEM WITH BRICKS.
SO, BUT YOU'RE TAKING, TRYING THE QUESTION.
IF YOU CAN REUSE 'EM SOMEWHERE OR, SO YOU'RE TRYING TO TAKE THE BRICKS FROM THE BACKYARD, FROM THE, FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE AND MOVE THEM TO THE FRONT? NO, WE, THERE ARE TWO, UM, STEPS.
ONE FOR THE FRONT DOOR, ONE FOR THE KITCHEN DOOR, AND WE'D LIKE THE NEW ONES IN FRONT OF THE FRONT DOOR TO LOOK ALIKE.
THE ONES IN THE KITCHEN DOOR, BECAUSE THEY'RE REALLY NICE.
CAN WE SEE THEM SOMEWHERE? YEAH.
THEY SHOW, BECAUSE I, I DON'T BELIEVE THE BRICK OF THE STEPS MATCHES THE FOUNDATION OF THE PORCH, DOESN'T IT? THERE IT'S A LITTLE BIT FIXATED, BUT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
IT'S GOT LIKE A WHITEWASH TO IT, SO WE LIKE IT OVER THERE AS WELL.
IS THAT DEAD TO THE RIGHT, THE KITCHEN DOOR? MM-HMM.
SO THE, THOSE, THAT'S WHAT, LIKE, THE OTHER STEPS TO LOOK LIKE.
MAYBE WE CAN GET SOMETHING THAT MATCHES THE FRONT PORCH FOUNDATIONS.
I UM, I DON'T HAVE A BETTER PICTURE OF IT, BUT I, UH, I SO WAS GONNA SAY I'M 90% SURE THE FOUNDATION BRICK AND THE BRICK STEPS AT THE FRONT DON'T, ARE NOT THE SAME BRICK.
UM, SO YOU'VE GOT REALLY THREE DIFFERENT KINDS OF BRICK UP THERE.
MAYBE WE FIND FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION OF THE STEPS, BRICKS THAT MATCH CLOSER TO THAT FRONT PORCH FOUNDATIONS BECAUSE THE ONES THERE IN THE BACK TO THE KITCHEN SEEM TO BE WAY BRIGHTER.
YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE THE FOUNDATION BRICKS CUZ THEY'VE BEEN PAINT IT OVER A COUPLE TIMES AND SOME BRICKS COMING THROUGH.
SO I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO MATCH.
UH, SOME AREAS WERE PAINTED, I THINK, AND IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN PEELED OFF A LITTLE BIT.
THERE WAS MY AND THE STRUCTURE ON THE SIDE'S NOT AN ORIGINAL STRUCTURE RIGHT NOW.
SO NOT TO DIGRESS, BUT WHILE WE'RE HERE ARE, UM, NEW RAILS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE STEPS OR TO MATCH EXISTING.
BALLISTERS LOOKS LIKE A NICE WIDE RAIL.
UM, ANY THOUGHT ABOUT THE POST, THE NEW POSTS DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE STEPS? I ASSUME THAT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THE BOTTOM HALF OF THAT COLUMN.
YOU'RE GONNA KEEP THE, THE, UH, THE PAVERS TO THE FRONT.
SO YOU'RE GONNA MATCH THOSE TO THE SIDE? WELL, THE, I MEAN THE, AND THAT'S WHY ORIGINALLY WE WERE GOING TO TAKE IT OUT AND PUT IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
BUT THOSE ARE THE GLAZED BRICKS.
AND SO, UM, I JUST, I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S POSSIBLE TO GET RIGHT BRICKS AND WITH TWO PEOPLE LIVING IN THE HOUSE, WE HAVE DIFFERING OPINIONS.
BUT WHAT, WHAT WE HAD, WHAT WE HAD ASKED FOR IN THE APPLICATION WAS A BRICK PAVER.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE SHOWED IN PHOTOS.
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THAT, UH, INSTEAD OF THE GLAZED, UH, TILE, YOU WANT TO KEEP THE GGL TILE, BUT UM, HAVE IT, UH, REPA, YOU KNOW, RESEARCH PUT IN.CAUSE IT'S A LITTLE BIT BUMPY NOW.
AND, AND THEN THAT OTHER LITTLE ARM THAT'S COMING OFF, UM, IS SUBJECT TO DEBATE EVERY OTHER WEEK.
WE FIND THE APPLICATION FOR ANN, UH, 5 0 1 MEK STREET TO BE NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE NEW BURNS CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTION 15 4 11 TO 15,000 4 29 AND NEW BURNS.
HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT LANDSCAPING 2.4 0.3, 3.1 I DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, 0.1 AND TWO MODIFICATIONS, 3.2 0.1 AND TWO ADDITIONS, 3.3 0.1, TWO AND THREE FOUNDATIONS, 4.1 AND 0.4 0.1 0.3 AND FOUR WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION, 4.2 0.4 ENTRANCES, 4.4 0.4 AND FIVE DECKS AND PATIOS, 4.6 0.2 AND THREE.
MASON MARIE, 5.1 0.23 AND FIVE WOOD, 5.2 0.1, AND TWO, PAINT.
IN FACT, THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
THE PROJECT IS AN ADDITION AND MODIFICATION TO A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
AND THE SITE IS WITHIN THE PRIMARY AND SECONDARY ABCS.
THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES AND THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THE PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
OPPOSED? HEARING NONE APPROVED MOTION TO, UH, ISSUE THE COA.
OPPOSED? HEARING NONE COA BE ISSUED.
[4.H. 222 Middle St – to include three new windows and one new door, all in the Secondary and Tertiary AVCs.]
MIDDLE.IS THERE SOMEONE HERE FOR THAT? UH, YES.
UH, SO THIS IS, UH, PROJECT, THIS IS THE, UH, SORRY.
THIS IS THE APPLICATION, UH, FOR 2 22 MIDDLE STREET, AND IT'S FULLY FILLED OUT AND SIGNED AND DATED.
ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN IS THE AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE OWNERS.
HERE'S, UH, THE FIRST PAGE OF THE DRAWINGS.
UM, DON'T REMEMBER IF WE ACTUALLY SEE THAT AGAIN.
UM, THE SECTION THROUGH THE BUILDING IS KIND OF HELPFUL.
UH, THE PROJECT ONLY ENTAILS THE SECOND FLOOR OF THIS PLUS A, UH, DOORWAY OUT THE FIRST FLOOR AT THE REAR, UM, TO ACCESS THE STAIR WET, THE EXISTING STAIRWAY TO THE SECOND FLOOR.
UH, AND THEN WE SEE, UM, DASH LINE HERE FOR ONE WINDOW AND TWO DASH LINES FOR TWO MORE WINDOWS.
AND, UH, AT THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, UM, A NEW, THIS IS MAYBE THE EXISTING DOOR, THERE WOULD BE A NEW DOOR ADDED AS WELL.
BUT, UM, WE'LL SEE THAT IN MORE DETAIL IN A MINUTE.
BUT THAT WAS TO ORIENT YOU FOR THE PROJECT.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, THIS PARTICULAR, UH, STRUCTURE, THE LOWEST ONE OUT OF ALL THE BUILDINGS HERE.
UM, AND, UH, CLOSE UP OF THAT IS HERE ON THE LEFT.
SO, UH, THE NEW A A NEW DOOR WILL BE INSERTED HERE WHERE THE FORMER WINDOW, AS YOU CAN SEE, WHICH WAS BRICKED UP WHERE THE FORMER WINDOW USED TO EXIST.
UM, OTHERWISE ON THIS BACK, UH, THEY'RE JUST PLANNING ON MOVING THE, UM,
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THE PANEL BOX OVER TO THE SIDE MORE.AND I BELIEVE ONE OF THESE, UM, PROBABLY THIS, I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE, ONE OF THESE IS TO BE ELIMINATED AS WELL.
WE'LL SEE THAT AT THE END AS WELL.
AND OFF TO THE RIGHT HERE, WE HAVE A SIDE VIEW OF THAT STRUCTURE.
UM, AND THIS IS WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING TO PUT THE THREE WINDOWS ONE HERE ON THIS LOWER LEVEL WHERE THIS ARROW IS POINTING.
AND THEN TWO UP FARTHER, UM, ABOVE THE NEIGHBOR'S ROOF HERE.
AND AS A RESULT OF BEING ON THE PROPERTY LINE, UH, THOSE ARE REQUIRED TO BE FIRE RATED OPENINGS.
UH, AND THEY HAVE PROPOSED SOME FIRE SHUTTERS FOR THOSE.
SO NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND NOT EXACTLY RELEVANT, BUT EXCEPT FOR SOME CONTEXT.
AND THEN THE INTERIOR, UH, TWO SHOTS OF THE INTERIOR, THIS, UH, BEING OUT TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING TO THE BACK.
AND SO THERE'LL BE TWO NEW WINDOWS ADDED, UH, ON THIS RIGHT HAND WALL.
UH, AND THIS IS A MECHANICAL SPACE FOR THE ENTIRE BUILDING THAT IS TO REMAIN, BUT IN, IN THIS FOREGROUND AREA WILL BE A NEW APARTMENT.
UM, AND SO THE STAIRWAY HERE IS TO THE OTHER SECOND FLOOR APARTMENT, WHICH IS SHOWN ON THE RIGHT.
AND THEN ON THE LEFT, THERE MUST BE A STAIRWAY SOMEWHERE.
MAYBE IT'S OFF THE PHOTO ON THE LEFT THAT GOES DOWN TO THE FIRST FLOOR.
SO HERE ARE THE LARGER FLOOR PLANS.
SO THE SECOND FLOOR, UH, IS CURRENTLY, UH, THE STAIRWAY COMES UP FROM BELOW, AND THEN THAT'S THAT SMALL LITTLE STAIRWAY GOING UP TO THE UPPER AREA.
AND THESE ARE THE, UH, WINDOW OPENINGS THAT ARE, DO BE CUT IN THE UPPER, THE UPPER UPPER ONE.
AND THEN THERE'S THE LOWER UPPER ONE ON THE LEFT.
SO, UH, AND THE FIRST FLOOR HAS NOT CHANGED AT ALL EXCEPT FOR THE ADDITION OF THE NEW DOORWAY WHERE THAT WINDOW WAS.
SO LUCKILY THE, UH, THE, UH, STAIRWAY, UH, ALIGNED WITH THAT LOCATION.
AND SO HERE'S SOME, UH, LITTLE MORE DIMENSIONS AND, UH, SOME EGRESS OPENING REQUIREMENTS SHOWN FOR THOSE WINDOWS.
SO HERE YOU CAN SEE THOSE SMALL LITTLE STEPS ARE TO BE REPLACED WITH LARGER ONES, BUT THIS IS JUST TO LET YOU SHOW THAT THERE'S THE, UM, THE ONE APARTMENT ON THE LOWER LEVEL, AND THIS IS THAT MECHANICAL AREA THAT I WAS MENTIONING.
AND THEN THE UPPER ONE IS TO BE ONE LARGE APARTMENT UP ABOVE.
UM, AND THAT THESE SHOW THEM THE RELEVANT PART OF THE APPLICATION, THE ONE WINDOW ON THIS WALL HERE, AND THE TWO WINDOWS ALONG THAT WALL TO OUR RATED FIRE SHUTTER.
AND THEN, UH, DOWN ON THE FIRST FLOOR IS THE NEW DOOR.
AND THEN THEY'LL BE CLOSING OFF, UH, THE FORMER, UH, WALKWAY THROUGH THE WALL TO THE STAIRWAY FROM THE, UM, EXISTING DOORWAY.
SO THERE'LL BE TWO DOORWAYS NEXT TO EACH OTHER, BUT ONLY ONE GOES UPSTAIRS AND ONE STAYS DOWNSTAIRS.
SO HERE I'LL HAVE TO GET A LITTLE BIT SMALLER.
THIS IS THE ILLUSTRATION TO SHOW WHAT THEY'RE CHANGING ON THE BACK FACADE OTHER THAN THAT NEW DOOR.
SO THEY'RE MOVING THE PANEL TO THE RIGHT? CORRECT? IS THAT WHAT THAT STRAIGHT LINE MEANS THERE? YES.
AND THEN THEY'LL BE REMOVING THESE TWO, UM, CONDUITS, APPARENTLY.
SO HERE'S A REPRESENTATION OF THE, OF THE WINDOWS THEMSELVES.
UM, AND THEN THIS IS THE FIRE SHUTTER, AND I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT FROM THIS.
IS THE SHUTTER, IS THIS BOX ON THE OUTSIDE OR THE INSIDE? INSIDE.
SO THE OUTSIDE WOULD BE UNCHANGED ESSENTIALLY? YEAH.
WHERE, WHERE DOES THAT GO? ON THE INSIDE, ABOVE THE, ABOVE THE WINDOWS ON THE INSIDE.
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AND THEN LASTLY IS THE NEW DOOR SHOWN HERE AS A FIBERGLASS PRE-HUNG FRONT DOOR.NOW IT HAS ONE WINDOW IN IT AND PANELED.
SO, UM, THEN THAT ENDS THE APPLICANT'S INFORMATION.
AND WE HAVE THEN THE ZONING AND INSPECTION FORM WHERE THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR INDICATES IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE.
AND THE BUILDING INSPECTOR SAYS IT WILL REQUIRE BUILDING INFORMATION.
SO THEN WE'RE READY WITH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
ANY PROPONENTS OR OPPONENTS, OR YOU WANNA TALK? YOU JUST WANNA ADD, WE WERE REQUESTING TO REPLACE THAT EXISTING METAL DOOR WITH THE NEW DOOR SO THAT BOTH DOORS WOULD MATCH ON THE BACK.
SO WHAT ARE YOU REQUESTING THE NEW ONE TO BE? FIBERGLASS.
THE ONE, UM, I MEAN, IT CAN BE METAL.
IF THEY BOTH HAVE TO BE METAL, WE CAN GET THAT DOOR IN METAL INSTEAD OF FIBERGLASS.
BUT THE ONE THERE, UH, NOW IS THE METAL DOOR.
SO WE JUST WANT BOTH DOORS TO MATCH.
BUT THE MATERIAL OF THE EXISTING ONE IS METAL? YES.
AND, AND THEY'RE BOTH GONNA BE METAL? NO.
WELL, NOT YET PROPOSED? NOT YET.
BUT IF YOU, IF, UH, I GUESS IT'S NOT, IF IT HAS TO BE METAL, YEAH.
IT CAN'T BE FIBERGLASS, AT LEAST THEN THEY WILL BOTH BE, WE CAN GET THAT DOOR IN METAL.
ANY, ARE YOU A PROPONENT OR AN OPPONENT? NO.
UH, SO LET'S MAKE IT A LITTLE BIGGER.
UH, THIS IS THE APPLICATION FOR KEITH JENKINS AND GO ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN FOR 2 22 MIDDLE STREET.
HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME IS THE WIND WINDLEY BUILDING CIRCA 1885.
IT IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY DESCRIPTION IS TWO 20 TO 2 22 MIDDLE STREET, TWO STORIES, BRICK FOUR BAYS WIDE WITH SEGMENTALLY ARCHED WINDOWS AND HOODS IN THE UPPER STORY OUTSTANDING PATTERNED.
AND ED CORNICE, WE DID SEE THAT IN THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE FRONT, UH, SANDECK DESCRIPTION, UH, THERE WAS NOTHING RELEVANT TO THE REAR OR SIDE WALLS.
SO FOR 2 22 MIDDLE STREET, THE PROJECT IS TO INCLUDE THREE NEW WINDOWS AND ONE NEW DOOR, UH, AND SOME REVISIONS TO THE UTILITY, UH, EQUIPMENT ALL IN THE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY ABCS.
STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES AS APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, 0.2 FOR MODIFICATIONS, 3.2 0.1 FOR WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS, 4.3 0.1, TWO, AND THREE FOR MASONRY, 5.1 0.1.
AND FOR PAINT, 5.4, 0.2, THREE AND FOUR STATEMENTS A REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION AND STAFF'S JUDGMENT ARE ONE, THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE AND THE DENSE FABRIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
TWO, THE PROJECT IS FOR THE ADDITION OF THREE NEW WINDOWS AND ONE NEW DOOR.
AND RE TWO NEW, OH, TWO NEW DOORS.
NO ONE NEW DOOR, THREE NEW WINDOWS, ONE NEW DOOR, ONE REPLACEMENT DOOR, AND REPLACING THE OTHER DOOR.
OH, AND, AND REPLACING THAT ONE.
YEAH, THAT'S THE MATCHING PART.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE MATCHING THE WHATEVER.
AND ONE NEW DOOR AND ONE REPLACEMENT DOOR.
ALL ON THE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY ABCS OF CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, UH, EXCEPT FOR THE FIBERGLASS REAR DOOR.
THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES.
THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
AND FIVE, EXCEPT FOR THE FIVE GLASS REAR DOOR, THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
SO IF THE MATERIAL FOR THE REAR DOOR IS CHANGED TO MATERIAL THAT WAS AVAILABLE AT THE TIME THE BUILDING WAS ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COMMISSION APPROVED THIS APPLICATION TO INCLUDE THREE NEW WINDOWS, ONE NEW DOOR, ONE REPLACEMENT DOOR, ALL IN SECONDARY AND TERTIARY ABCS.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
ALL RIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS? CONCERNS? HEARING NONE.
WE'RE READY FOR RECOMMENDATION, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE, THE, UH,
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NECESSITY FOR THE DOORS TO BE METAL.MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE FOUND THE APPLICATION, UH, FOR STIFF INAPPROPRIATE EVIDENCE FOR 2 22 MINERAL STREET TO BE NOT IN CONGRESS WITH NEWK'S CODE OF ORDINANCES.
UH, QUOTED ORDINANCE SECTIONS 15 4 11 THROUGH 15 4 29.
AND NEWBURN, HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT APPLICABLE GUIDELINES, DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, 0.2, MODIFICATIONS, 3.2 0.1, WINDOWS DOORS AND OPENINGS.
IN FACT, UH, THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING, UH, STRUCTURE AND THE DENSE FABRIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
UH, THE PROJECT IS FOR THREE ADDITIONAL NEW WINDOWS.
ONE NEW SIDE DOOR AND REPLACEMENT, UH, OF AN EXISTING DOOR.
ALL ARE IN THE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY AREAS OF VISUAL CONCERN.
UH, THERE WILL BE TWO METAL DOORS.
THE NUDE DOOR WILL BE A METAL DOOR.
THE REPLACEMENT DOOR WILL ALSO BE A METAL DOOR, AND THEY WILL MATCH, UH, THE ZONING.
ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF, UH, BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THE PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
AND THE PROJECT IS NOT IN CONGRESS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
WE APPROVE THE MOTION AS STATED.
SECOND MOVE, AND SECOND OF ISSUE OF THE COA.
OPPOSED? HEARING NONE ISSUE THE COA.
DO YOU WE DO HAVE SOME NEW BUSINESS.
SORRY, WHAT DO YOU HAVE? I THINK MR. CHAIR, WE'RE, UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX, GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS IF THERE ARE ANY.
[6. General Public Comments]
COMMENTS.DID YOU HAVE ANY? YEAH, I ACTUALLY DID.
TRACY RICHIE, SIX 20 NEWS STREET.
SO IN A PLAN, IT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN DONE ALREADY WHEN SOMEONE PROPOSES SOMETHING, RIGHT? ALREADY.
I MEAN, LIKE PLANTINGS HAVE NOT BEEN APPROVED, BUT THERE ARE ALL THE, THE CHANGES SHOULD BE APPROVED IN ADVANCE, RIGHT? SO THAT'S JUST, I'M JUST SAYING THAT PLANTINGS HAVE BEEN DONE WITH, WITH THAT, THAT APPROVAL.
SO I THINK WE HAD TO BE, WE SAY MAJOR LANDSCAPING, I BELIEVE.
YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY PUTS AN AZA, AZALIA BUSH IN IS NOT A YEAH.
BUT ALL THE WAY AROUND THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE MAJOR.
SO, UM, AND SOMETIMES, UH, APPLICANTS, UM, ARE FOUND OUT THAT THEY'VE DONE WORK AND THEN THEY COME AND DO AN APPLICATION AFTER THE FACT.
THEY DIDN'T REALIZE THEY HAD TO DO IT BEFORE.
ESSENTIALLY PEOPLE ARE DOING WORK AT THE RISK, AT THEIR OWN RISK OF NOT GETTING APPROVED AND HAVING TO TAKE IT OUT.
IF I CAN JUST MAKE A COMMENT, MORE GENERAL PUBLIC.
STARTING SATURDAY, THE NEWBURN HISTORICAL SOCIETY HAS A, IT'S 100TH ANNIVERSARY EXHIBITS AT TRYON PALACE IN THE DUFFY GALLERY.
AND YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE HOW FANTASTIC IT HAS.
TURNED OUT WE HAD TO DESIGN, I'M ON THE BOARD.
WE HAD A DESIGN PHONE FROM RALEIGH AND THEY JUST HAD DONE FAR BEYOND OUR EXPECTATION.
WHEN YOU WALK IN, YOU'LL SEE IT.
SO ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO, IT'S THERE TILL JANUARY.
THERE'S NO CHARGE TO SEE OUR EXHIBIT.
AND WHERE IS IT IN THE HISTORY CENTER? DUFFY DUFFY GALLERY, THE ONE DOWN TOWARDS LAWSONS LANDING OR WHATEVER IT IS NOW ON THE LEFT.
INVESTIGATION IN THE HISTORY CENTER.
UH, UH, WHERE AM I AT NEW BUSINESS? UH, ANYTHING SIGNIFICANT IN
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TO TALK ABOUT? SO, NEW BUSINESS, YES.WE HAVE, UM, IN THE DE PREVENTION OF DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT, UH, WORK GROUP, UM, WE HAVE ISSUED, UM, UM, LETTERS TO REGARDING THREE PROPERTIES ON C STREET.
UM, TWO OF THE PROPERTY, ONE OWNER FOR TWO OF THE PROPERTIES HAS, UH, RESPONDED TO US AND IS WORKING WITH US.
UH, THE THIRD ONE, HOWEVER, HAS NOT RESPONDED.
UM, AND SO, UH, THE NEXT STEP IN THE PROCESS IS WE ARE TO BRING THAT TO, TO THE HPC AND GET THE HPC TO DETERMINE IF, UH, WE SHOULD CONTINUE, UH, TO PROCEED WITH THAT PROC WITH THAT PROJECT, WHICH EVOLVE INVOLVES IN THE NEXT STEP OR TWO, UH, CALLING THE PERSON IN FOR A HEARING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, UH, THIS IS THE APP APPLIC, UH, THE COMPLAINT FORM THAT WAS FILED BY ME, UH, FOR THIS PROPERTY, 5 0 8 C STREET.
UH, THE OWNER'S NAME IS K AND S HOME DESIGNS, AND THE STANDARDS VIOLATED ARE LISTED HERE BY NUMBER AND ON, THEY'RE SHOWN ON THE BACK OR ON THE NEXT PAGE.
UM, AND SO LET'S SEE, UM, 1, 3, 6, 7, 8, 10.
ONE IS DETERIORATION OF ANY EXTERIOR FEATURES IS TO CREATE A PERMIT, PERMIT THE CREATION OF ANY HAZARDOUS OR UNSAFE CONDITIONS TO LIFE, HEALTH, OR OTHER PROPERTY.
THREE IS DETERIORATION OF FLOODING OR FLOOR SUPPORTS, ROOFS OR OTHER HORIZONTAL MEMBERS THAT CAUSES LEANING, SAGGING, SPLITTING, LISTING, OR BUCKLING.
UH, WHAT WAS THE NEXT ONE? FIVE.
UH, INEFFECTIVE WATERPROOFING OF EXTERIOR WALLS, ROOFS AND FOUNDATIONS INCLUDING BROKEN WINDOWS OR DOORS, DEFECTIVE PROTECTION OR LACK OF WEATHER PROTECTION FOR EXTERIOR WALL AND ROOF COVERINGS, INCLUDING LACK OF PAINT OR WEATHERING DUE TO LACK OF PAINT OR OTHER PROTECTIVE COATINGS COVERING.
AND EIGHT IS ROTTING HOLES IN OTHER FORMS OF DECAY.
SO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO DO IS BRIEFLY REVIEW THESE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT WE'VE, THAT WE TOOK, UH, LAST MONTH.
UM, AND IF YOU CAN, UH, DECIDE THAT WE SHOULD CONTINUE, UM, WITH THE DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT PROCESS ON THIS HOUSE.
SO IN PARTICULAR, YOU CAN SEE HERE, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SOME WINDOWS MISSING, WHICH MAY BY ITSELF JUST BE ENOUGH.
UH, BUT IT'S ALSO MISSING, UM, THE FRONT STEPS, THE HAND RIP, UH, THE RAILING.
UM, SOME OF THE SIDING, UH, IS, IT'S NOT MISSING, BUT MISSING PAINT.
UH, AND WHAT ELSE? THOSE ARE THE BIG, BIG THINGS THAT YOU CAN SEE HERE.
THERE'S THE MISSING WINDOW ON THIS ONE, AND THEN OFF TO THE LEFT AS WELL.
UH, AND THE CENTER ONE, UH, THERE'S REPORTS.
I, IS THIS THE ONE THAT DIDN'T RESPOND? YES.
AND SO YOU'RE ASKING WHAT, WHAT'S THE IMPLICATIONS IF WELL, SO, UH, THE, OUR POLICY AND PROCEDURE REQUIRES THAT THIS NEXT STEP IS THAT I INFORM YOU AND, AND YOU THEN, UH, VOTE TO, UM, HAVE US HAVE STAFF CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REST OF THE PROCESS.
UM, YOU COULD, FOR EXAMPLE, DETERMINE PROBABLY IN A DIFFERENT CASE, UH, THAT YEAH, THAT DOESN'T LOOK SO BAD AFTER ALL.
IN THAT KIND OF CASE, I WOULD PROBABLY GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO LOOK AT IT AHEAD OF TIME, BUT IT JUST SEEMED LIKE THIS ONE WAS SO OBVIOUS THAT I WAS PROBABLY GET IN TROUBLE FOR WAITING A WHOLE MONTH, UM, OKAY.
AND JUST A QUESTION, REMIND ME IF YOU SAY THE NEXT STEP, AT WHAT POINT DOES IT GET TO THE BUILDING INSPECTOR THAT HOLDS A HEARING? THAT'LL BE ONE OF THE NEXT STEPS.
UM, IT MAY NOT BE IMMEDIATELY.
THERE MIGHT BE, BUT WE'RE ON, WE'RE ON THAT ROAD, YES.
SO JUST TO GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROCESS.
IF NO COMMUNICATION OCCURS, THEN THE HPC ADMINISTRATOR HAS TO BRING THAT INFORMATION TO YOU ALL.
SO IF YOU GIVE THAT DIRECTIVE TO THE HPC ADMINISTRATOR, THEN HE'S GOING TO FILE A PETITION WITH THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR LISTING THE DEFECTS.
UM, THIS PROPERTY WILL GO ON YOUR DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT LIST AND THE ADMINISTRATOR WILL, UH, MAINTAIN A FILE ABOUT THIS PROPERTY.
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THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR WILL THEN PERFORM A FORMAL INSPECTION OF THE PROPERTY AND THEN THAT INFORMATION WILL SUBSEQUENTLY BE BROUGHT BACK TO YOU ALL.SO I, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION THAT WE AUTHORIZED MATT TO CONTINUE WITH THE PROCESS.
REGARDING, REGARDING, WHICH ONE WAS IT? C 5 0 8.
WELL, SO I MEAN, I'M LOOKING AT THE RULES OF PROCEDURE.
WE'RE, WE'RE UP TO, YOU KNOW, STEP FIVE, WHICH IS HBC DECIDES WHETHER TO MOVE FORWARD OR NOT.
UH, IF THE H BBC DECIDES TO TAKE FURTHER ACTION, WE'RE PETITIONING THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR TO DO HIS PART.
WHICH MEANS HE HAS TO HOLD A HEARING.
AND AT THAT POINT, IT'S IN HIS HANDS TO WORK OUT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER WHAT TO DO NEXT.
NOT IF THEY WANNA DO IT, BUT THEY HAVE TO DO IT.
THAT'S WHAT THE PEER THE HEARING IS WITH THE CHIEF BUILDING IS.
IT'S OFFICIALLY IN HIS HANDS, BUT WE END UP DOING THE WORK FOR HIM.
I MOVE THAT WE PETITIONED THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR TO CONTINUE THE, UH, PREVENTION OF DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT PROCESS FOR 5 0 8 C STREET.
OPPOSED? HEARING NONE THAT, UH, THE, THE FLOW CHART, UH, WE'VE TALKED EXTENSIVELY IN THE CHANGE COMMITTEE.
IT WOULD BE GOOD MAYBE IF THE NEXT DESIGN REVIEW, IF WE, UH, LET EVERYBODY SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
SO THAT DOES BRING US TO, UH, LATER ON WE'LL WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO DO AS YOUR TRAINING FOR THAT DESIGN REVIEW.
WE COULD PERHAPS DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I THINK WE'VE DISCUSSED ALSO CHAPTER ONE WAS ANOTHER OPTION.
LET'S DO THAT IN THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, I THINK AND, UH, THE REST OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS ARE JUST FROM A YEAR EARLIER, SO, UH, LET'S SEE.
ALRIGHT, I THINK WE'RE READY FOR THE NEXT STEP.
THAT'S IT ON THAT ONE ON NEW BUSINESS.
UM, ARE YOU DONE YOUR REPORT? WELL, THAT WASN'T MY REPORT.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS YOUR REPORT.
ANY COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS? HEARING NONE MEETINGS? HONOR.
SO THE SECOND RETRAINING CONVERSATION IS SIGN REVIEW.
IS THAT WHAT YOU MEANT, MATT? YEAH, WE COULD, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE WE DETERMINE WHAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE FOR OUR TRAINING.
AND YOU DECIDED TO DO THE, UM, DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT PROCESS AS FOR TRAINING.
SO THE, UM, THE MEETING COMING UP IN WILMINGTON, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION IT'S NOTHING FOR THE RECORD, BUT IS NOT THIS BOOK.
AFTER WE ADJOURN, CAN WE PLEASE WAIT AROUND FOR A SECOND? FOR OKAY.
OPPOSED? OKAY, WE'RE ADJOURNED.