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[1. Discussion and Review of Fiscal Year 2023-24 Budget.]
GOOD AFTERNOON AND WELCOME TO THE CONTINUATION OF OUR MAY 2ND NEWBURN BOARD OF ALDERMAN WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS OUR BUDGET.SO, UH, SINCE THIS IS A CONTINUATION, WE'LL JUST JUMP RIGHT IN.
UH, I WILL SAY THAT, UM, CITY MANAGER AND MYSELF HAVE A, I'LL SAY A SOFT STOP AT THREE 30, BUT A HARD STOP AT FOUR O'CLOCK.
UH, WE HAVE A MEETING IN HAVELOCK THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO BE THERE IN, IN PERSON FOR, SO THAT WOULD ALLOW US ENOUGH TIME TO GET THERE.
UH, WORST CASE SCENARIO, IF WE HAVE TO GO LONGER, UH, WE CAN JOIN REMOTELY AND THAT STARTS AT FOUR O'CLOCK.
SO WE DEFINITELY NEED TO BE ON THERE BY THEN.
SO, MS. HUGHES, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU.
I DID WANT TO GO BACK AND VISIT THE GOVERNING BOARD FOR ONE ITEM THAT WE DID NOT MENTION.
SO ONE OF THE ITEMS UNDER DUE AND SUBSCRIPTIONS WAS TO REINSTATE MEMBERSHIP WITH THE EASTERN CAROLINA COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT.
UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO, UM, HEAR ANY COMMENTS THAT THE BOARD MAY HAVE ON THAT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID SEE IS THERE, THERE WERE A LOT OF ISSUES WITH THE COG A FEW YEARS AGO.
WE PULLED OUR MEMBERSHIP OUT SINCE THAT TIME.
THEY DID GET A NEW EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR WHO, WHO HAS REALLY, UH, WORKED HARD TO TURN THAT PROGRAM AROUND, AND A LOT OF THOSE, UH, UH, CITY AND COUNTY GOVERNMENTS ARE LOOKING AT COMING BACK.
SO ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR ANY DIRECTION YOU'D LIKE TO GIVE US, WE'RE HAPPY TO RECEIVE.
WELL, FOSTER, I USED TO WORK THERE AND ALL THE PROGRAMS THAT THEY REALLY DO IS FOR LIKE RURAL AREAS.
AND I KNOW THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER BEING A PARTNER WITH THEM, BUT PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING THAT THEY DO, WE DO ON A LARGE SCALE.
AND THEY NORMALLY SERVE CITIES.
I DON'T KNOW THE POPULATION OF, UH, TRENTON OR POLISH FIELD, BUT THOSE ARE NORMALLY THE AREAS THAT THEY SERVE.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BOARD KNOWS ABOUT WHAT THEY DO AND THE SERVICES THAT THEY'VE RENDER.
THEY'VE DONE SOME THINGS FOR US BEFORE.
UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THEY WERE RIGHT NOW.
THEY MANAGED THE GRANT FOR THE VOLT CENTER, THE E D GRANT.
THEY, THEY'VE MANAGED THAT FOR US.
IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THEY'VE DONE A FEW MASTER PLANS OF SOME STUDIES AS WELL.
BUT, BUT TO DAUGHTER MCKENZIE'S POINT, HE IS, HE IS CORRECT.
WE, WE HAVE OUR OWN, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING.
WE HAVE, UH, STAFF THAT DO GRANTS IN HOUSE.
AND SO THEY ARE GEARED TO HELP THOSE, THOSE SMALLER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND SOME COUNTY GOVERNMENTS THAT NOT, DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THAT CAPACITY TO, TO DO SO.
UH, THEY ALSO OFFER A VARIETY OF PROGRAMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO IT'S REALLY, UH, WHATEVER THE BOARD WOULD LIKE US TO, TO LOOK AT ON THAT.
SO, SO, SO I, I THINK WHAT THE QUESTION HAS BEEN TO YOU FROM THEIR DIRECTOR, PROBABLY THEY WANT US TO JOIN AGAIN AS A MEMBER.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND UM, HMM, I, I CAN'T SAY IT'S A BAD THING, YOU KNOW, UM, BUT THAT'S UP TO THE REST OF THE BOARD MEMBERS TO TO, TO CHIME IN TO, UH, MAKE THAT GOOD DECISION.
WOULD, WOULD WE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SOME OF THE THINGS LIKE PLANNING? NO, WE OBVIOUSLY WOULDN'T.
UM, BUT THEY HAVE BEEN, BEEN JOHNNY ON THE SPOT WITH SOME TRAININGS.
I MEAN, THEY, THEY, THEY'VE OFFERED TO PROVIDE A VARIETY OF TRAININGS, UH, AT, AT NO COST TO CITY STAFF.
AND, AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE CAN GET A BENEFIT FROM.
AND ALSO WITH, WITH WORKING WITH OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS IN THE AREA.
CAUSE THEY ARE TRYING TO CORRAL, UM, THE COUNTY AND CITY GOVERNMENTS TOGETHER AND, AND HAVE REGULAR MEETINGS WITH THOSE.
AND I'VE BEEN INVITED TO ALL OF THOSE MEETINGS, UH, WHILE NOT BEING A MEMBER AS, AS WELL, JUST FOR INPUT.
YEAH, THEY'VE DEFINITELY, THEY'VE REACHED OUT, UH, WITH THE NEW EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND OFFERED, I THINK IT WAS THE ETHICS TRAINING THAT THEY HOSTED A SESSION HERE THAT, UM, I THINK WE HAD ALREADY PAID FOR IT TO BE DONE REMOTELY OR WHATEVER, BUT THEY'VE DEFINITELY BEEN VERY OUTGOING TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO HELP US.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S $8,000.
I DON'T WANNA DISMISS IT CAUSE $8,000, $8,000, BUT YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T BEEN DOING THAT FOR THE PAST TWO OR THREE YEARS.
AND SO WE'VE ESSENTIALLY SAVE THAT.
SO WE COULD, WE COULD GIVE IT A, GIVE IT A TRY.
AND I BELIEVE IF WE DO, WE WOULD GET A SEAT, UH, ON THE, ON THEIR BOARD.
SO WE NEED TO, IF WE DECIDE TO GO FORWARD, SOMEBODY ON THE BOARD WOULD NEED TO REPRESENT US ON THAT
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ONE.SO WHY NOT BE FRIENDLY? NOW WHAT, WHAT BOARD AGAIN IS THIS?
EAST COUNTY COUNCIL GOVERNMENT.
BUT WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY, ANY SERVICE OR ANY HELP FROM THEM IN THE LAST TWO OR THREE YEARS.
YOU SAY MAYOR, WE HAVE NOT BEEN A MEMBER OF THE LAND, RIGHT? WE HAVEN'T BEEN A MEMBER.
THEY, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT PULLING OUT FROM THAT MEMBERSHIP, BUT THEY WERE MANAGING OUR GRANT FOR THE VOLT CENTER MM-HMM.
AND I THINK THEY DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB AT DOING THAT.
SO WE DIDN'T PULL OUT UNTIL THEY HAD SOME, THEY HAD A LOT OF ISSUES INTERNALLY.
SO THAT'S WHEN WE FINALLY MADE A DECISION TO PULL OUT.
THEY'VE GOT, I THINK THEY ALL HAVE THAT STRAIGHTENED NOW.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA THEN.
AND WE LET JOHNNY RAY SERVE ON IT.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION.
WE WE'RE INCLUDING THAT AS PART OF THE, SO UNLESS YOU'RE JUST GIVING US DIRECTION THAT YOU WANT TO TAKE IT OUT, THEN IS ANYBODY OPPOSED TO REJOINING THE COPS? NO.
OKAY, SO WE COMPLETED THE PEG CHANNEL YESTERDAY, AND SO WE'RE NOW STARTING WITH INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY.
AND SO IF YOU TURN TO PAGE 50 IN THE FRONT OF YOUR BOOK, FOSTER ONE, ONE THING, AMAN KENSEY STEPPED OUT YESTERDAY.
HE WANTED TO DISCUSS THE SALARY.
I KNOW THAT THE CLERK SHARED WITH US THE GOVERNING BOARD SALARIES YESTERDAY.
UM, BUT I WANT TO PROVIDE HIM THE OPPORTUNITY IF HE HAD ANY INPUT.
BRENDA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SHARE AGAIN, WHAT THOSE, WHAT THOSE RATES WERE? SURE.
AND I DID USE THE WORD SALARY YESTERDAY, BUT I THINK MORE APPROPRIATELY IT'S COMPENSATION.
UM, UNLESS YOU FEEL OTHERWISE.
THE MAYOR'S ANNUAL COMPENSATION IS $16,143 AND 10 CENT MAYOR PRO 10, WHICH IS A DIFFERENT PERSON.
EACH YEAR IS $11,975 AND 88 CENT AND ALDERMAN $11,098 AND 88 CENT.
IS THERE A PAGE THAT'S ON? NO, NO, IT'S NOT.
WELL, THE BOARD HAVEN'T BEEN HA THE BOARD HAVEN'T HAD A RAISE IN OVER 20 YEARS.
AND I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR 15 YEARS.
I LIKE TO SEE THE SALARY GO UP TO WHATEVER THE COUNTY IS MAKING BECAUSE WE LOOK AT PRETTY MUCH WHAT, UH, WE'VE KIND OF ADOPT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY DO.
UM, THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT THERE.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS GETTING ALL THESE BIG RAISES AND, UM, WHY CAN'T WE? I THINK WE WORK JUST AS HARD AS ANYONE ELSE IN MAKING DECISIONS.
SO, UM, BRENDA, UM, TO, TO MY KNOWLEDGE WITHIN THAT 11,000, UH, $98, THAT'S ALSO, UH, OUR TRAVEL PAY IS IN IT AS WELL, RIGHT.
UM, COMING TO BOARD MEETINGS, YOUR TRAVEL BACK AND FORTH, COMING TO BOARD MEETINGS, I'M TALKING ABOUT TOWARDS GAS AND ALL THAT.
THAT'S BECAUSE ONE TIME IT WAS SEPARATED, WHAT, AT ONE POINT IN TIME THE SALARY WAS SEPARATED FROM THE MILEAGE GAS OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.
THIS ENCOMPASSES ANY TYPE OF TRAVEL DURING THE MONTH OTHER THAN TRAVEL AND TRAINING OUTSIDE OF TOWN.
AND THEN WE GOT FUNDING FOR THAT.
WELL, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T EVEN ASCERTAIN
I DIDN'T EVEN ASCERTAIN, AGAIN, BRINGING THIS UP BECAUSE I KNOW BEFORE I BROUGHT IT UP BEFORE THE BOARD, THE PRIOR BOARD AND UH, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST KNOCKED IT DOWN.
AND I MEAN, THEY ACT LIKE THAT.
WE ARE NOT, WE DON'T DO A JOB.
WE, WE ALL ULTIMATELY DO A JOB FOR, FOR OUR CITIZENS.
WE'RE OUT IN THE FIELD, WE'RE OUT IN MEETINGS.
WE'RE WE ARE HERE, WE'RE THERE, YOU KNOW, WE DO A LOT OF WORK.
AND, UM, I JUST, I FEEL LIKE ALL THE MCKENZIE HERE, SOME BOOSTS.
I MEAN, THE ECONOMY, EVERYBODY, WE, WE GOT PRICE INCREASES IN EVERYTHING.
YOU LOOK AROUND GAS, GROCERY, BILLS, EVERYTHING.
SO, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND THE WAY THE ECONOMY IS RIGHT NOW, UM, ANY, ANY INCENTIVE TO INCREASE OUR SALARY WILL BE GREAT.
WHAT IS THE COUNTY? I I I, I DON'T KNOW.
I'VE JUST DO YOU HAVE A FOSTER? WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO GET THAT RIGHT NOW.
ONCE WE GET IT, WHEREVER WE ARE IN THIS CONVERSATION, ONCE I GET IT, I'LL, I'LL BRING IT UP TO YOU.
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OKAY.WELL WE WANT TO PARK THAT ONE UNTIL HE GETS THAT INFORMATION AND WE CAN REVISIT IT.
I THINK WE'RE ON TECHNOLOGY, IS THAT CORRECT? PAGE 50? YEAH.
SO TECHNOLOGY, THE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY IS REALLY STARTING, THAT DEPARTMENT IS REALLY STARTING TO COME, UH, TO THE FOREFRONT OF THE OPERATIONS OF THE ENTIRE CITY IS, IS WE'RE SEEING TECHNOLOGY IMPROVEMENTS, UH, AND, AND RELYING ON A LOT OF THE COM PROGRAMS AND, AND USING COMPUTERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AS, AS WELL AS OUR PHONE SYSTEMS. THE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT DEPARTMENT.
CAUSE IT SERVES ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE CITY.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK ONE OF THEIR BIGGEST GOALS IS TO, TO MAINTAIN OUR CYBERSECURITY AND MAKE SURE THAT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE STAYS UP UPDATED, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES ARE ABLE TO DO THE GOOD WORK OF, OF THE CITY.
SO ON PAGE 52, CAPITAL EXPENSE, UH, THERE'S A $375,000 ITEM IN THERE FOR A VIRTUAL SYSTEM HOSTING INFRASTRUCTURE, TECHNICAL REFRESH.
UM, AND BASICALLY, UM, OUR, UM, THE HOSTING PLATFORMS THAT WE ARE USING ARE OUTDATED AND ARE NO LONGER SUPPORTED BY THE MANUFACTURER.
AND THIS IS UNFORTUNATELY ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO IN ORDER TO CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN OUR SYSTEMS. UM, YEAH.
FOSTER, UM, I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT.
UH, THIS, THIS SYSTEM IS, UH, I WAS THINKING ABOUT SOMETHING AND THEN YOU SAID THAT THEN I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT.
WHAT TYPE OF SYSTEM IS THIS AGAIN, PLEASE? THIS IS A VIRTUAL SERVER INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO WHAT, WHAT WE HAVE BEEN GOING TO IS INSTEAD OF HAVING, UM, OUR SERVERS AT A LOT OF LOCATIONS, THE, THE TECHNOLOGY IS TRENDING TOWARDS THE CLOUD BASED TYPE THING.
AND SO THIS, THIS IS JUST GOING TO WORK WITH ALL THAT AND MAKE SURE EVERYTHING WORKS TOGETHER SO THAT ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES ARE ABLE TO ACCESS THE DATA THAT'S STORED AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, WHAT IS THE MAINTENANCE ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS? IS IT ONE OR IT'S NOT.
SO, UM, OUR INTERIM, UH, IT DIRECTOR LEE JONES IS HERE.
AND LEE, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
WHAT WAS THE QUESTION AGAIN? COULD YOU REPEAT? UH, WILL IT BE ANY TYPE OF MAINTENANCE? IT'S JUST LIKE OVER THE YEARS WE USED TO BUY THESE TYPE OF SERVICE FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT MM-HMM.
AND THEN YOU HAVE TO COME RIGHT BACK AND UPDATE IT, IT AGAIN FOR, WITH A LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY.
SO WHAT IS THE COST TO SOMETHING LIKE THIS? IS IT A LARGE COST, SMALL COST OF, WHERE WOULD THAT PUT YEAH, THE, UM, THE SYSTEM IS GOOD FOR ABOUT FIVE TO SIX YEARS.
UM, THERE IS YEARLY MAINTENANCE, BUT THAT LARGE COST IS A ONE TIME COST EVERY FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS.
SO WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT COST WISE AND MAINTENANCE WISE? SO THIS ALLOCATION IS $375,000.
AND JUST LIKE WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT YESTERDAY WHEN WE CAME TO THE COMPUTER REPLACEMENTS FOR THE GOVERNING BOARD, RIGHT NOW, WE'RE GETTING FIVE YEARS OUT OF THINGS.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHEN WITH WE'RE TRADITIONALLY USING DELL COMPUTERS AND FOR WHATEVER MODELS OF COMPUTERS THAT WE'RE GETTING, THAT'S WHEN THE, THE MANUFACTURER NO LONGER WANTS TO SUPPORT AND FIND UPDATES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT'S GONNA BE A CONSTANT, IT'S GONNA BE A CONSTANT THING AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
SO THE OVERALL BUDGET FOR, FOR INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY ON PAGE 53, UH, $2,336,945.
SOME OF THE ITEMS IN HERE, UM, PAGE 54, UH, THAT, THAT MAY HIGHLIGHT YOU AS THERE'S A 78.9% INCREASE FOR COMMUNICATIONS SERVICES.
WHAT THAT IS, IS THE INTERNET CONNECTIVITY, SECURITY MONITORING SOFTWARE, UH, REDUNDANCY CONNECTIONS TO THE INTERNET.
UH, SO WE DON'T HAVE JUST ONE CONNECTION TO THE INTERNET IF SOMETHING GOES DOWN, WE LIKE TO HAVE MULTIPLE THAT WAY WE'RE NOT DOWN WHEN, WHEN OUR, WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE WORK DONE.
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FALSE.I'M A, I'M GONNA SHOW MY IGNORANCE HERE FOR A MINUTE.
UM, THE CITY AND THE COUNTY HAS OUR OWN FIBER NETWORK, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT, MM-HMM.
SO WHAT, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT COMMUNICATION SERVICES AND INTERNET, WHAT, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THAT? BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE HAD OUR OWN FIBER.
SO ARE WE HAVING TO PAY SOMEONE TO HOST TO PROVIDE US INTERNET SERVICE OR WE DO.
SO THE FIBER IS GETTING THAT SIGNAL FROM ONE LOCATION TO THE OTHER.
BUT LEE MAY BE ABLE TO ADD IT A LITTLE MORE.
SO THE FIBER CONNECTS ALL OF OUR BUILDINGS.
UM, WE HAVE WHAT, 26 BUILDINGS AND THE CITY THAT ARE CONNECTED TO THE FIBER NETWORK THAT PROVIDES ALL THE CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THOSE BUILDINGS.
THESE SERVICES GIVE US CONNECTION TO THE INTERNET.
UM, TO THE ACTUAL INTERNET SERVICES THAT WE, WE CONSUME.
AND IS THAT LIKE, WHICH IS A SEPARATE FEE TO, IS IT OPTIMUM OR IS IT METRONET OR NO, IT, DO YOU HAVE UM, IT, WE HAVE M CNC IS ONE PROVIDER.
UM, THEY'RE, UH, THEY SUPPORT A LOT OF GOVERNMENTS, UM, PROVIDE SERVICES FOR A LOT OF GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATIONS.
UM, AND THEN, UH, THE OTHER ONE IS THROUGH TOP OF MY HEAD, I CAN'T THINK OF THE NAME OF THE COMPANY.
IT'S THE COMPANY THAT, UM, WHEN I SAY THAT WE'RE NAMED CLARITY, THEY CHANGE THEIR NAME, THEY'RE A BACKUP PROVIDER.
SO DO WE, UM, DO WE OCCASIONALLY SHOP THIS LIKE CONSUMER SHOP INTERNET PROVIDERS? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN I, WHEN I CANCELED MY PREVIOUS SUPPLIER, THEY GAVE ME ALL KIND OF THINGS TO TRY TO GET ME TO STAY.
HAVE WE LOOKED AT THIS RECENTLY? YEAH, WE LOOK AT IT EVERY, WHENEVER WE HAVE A RENEWAL CYCLE, WE USUALLY SIGNED A THREE YEAR CONTRACT AND WE, WE LOOK AT DIFFERENT PROVIDERS.
MCNC USUALLY PROVIDES US WITH A PRETTY STRONG COMPETITIVE RATE.
UM, AND WE'RE ALSO LOOKING THIS YEAR AT SATELLITES BASED CONNECTIVITY, UM, TO PROVIDE RESILIENCY DURING STORMS OR WHATEVER.
I KNOW DURING FLORENCE WE LOST CONNECTIVITY TO THE INTERNET FOR SOME TIME.
UM, IF WE CAN GET SATELLITES, BA, SATELLITE BASED, UM, CONNECTIVITY, THAT WOULD OF COURSE HELP WITH THAT.
AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION IS THE TELEPHONE SERVICE.
UM, WE'RE PAYING ABOUT $138,000 MORE NOW THAN WE WERE A YEAR OR TWO AGO.
DIDN'T WE JUST DO A VOICEOVER IP NEW PHONE SYSTEM? WE DID.
AND, UM, THERE WAS SOME INCREASED COST WITH PUTTING THAT NEW SYSTEM IN PLACE.
HOW DOES IT WORK COMPARED TO THE OLD SYSTEM? UH, SO FAR I WOULD SAY IT'S WORKING BETTER.
UM, WE'VE DEFINITELY GAINED SOME EFFICIENCIES, SOME NEW TECHNOLOGY.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY FOR TELEPHONE SERVICE FOR PEOPLE THAT DON'T USE A LOT OF TELEPHONES ANYMORE.
BUT YOU WOULD THINK THAT TELEPHONE SERVICE WOULD BE COMING DOWN THESE DAYS CAUSE EVERYTHING'S DONE ELECTRONICALLY, BUT OKAY.
DOES THIS INCLUDE ALL THE CALL CENTERS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE, UH, IT, OR IS THAT A SEPARATE BUDGET AS FAR AS EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT? IS ALL OF THAT INCLUDED IN THIS OR THAT'S SEPARATE? SO IF YOU TALK ABOUT WHEN SOMEONE CALLS 9 1 1 MM-HMM.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S UNDER THE POLICE BUDGET.
THE, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COMMUNICATIONS AND GENERAL FUND, THAT IS, WELL, AND TO AN EXTENT, I BELIEVE THE UTILITIES AS WELL, THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS AS WELL.
THAT'S JUST SOMEONE'S CALLING INTO, UH, CITY HALL OR PARKS AND RECREATION PUBLIC WORKS AND THE INTERCONNECTIVITY OF THOSE, THOSE TYPE SYSTEMS. AND THE MESSAGING, ARE WE EXPECTING IT ANNUALLY TO BE ALMOST $200,000 FOR TELEPHONE SERVICE GOING FORWARD? YES, SIR.
IT SHOULD BE RELATIVELY IN LINE WITH WHAT WE HAVE THIS YEAR.
SO IT IS NO WAY THAT WE LOOK AT ANOTHER DIRECTION.
WELL, WE JUST REPLACED THIS SYSTEM ACTUALLY THIS PAST THE, WE'RE STILL FINISHING THE PROJECT TO REPLACE IT RIGHT NOW, SO.
AND THIS IS GONNA GO ON FOR HOW LONG AGAIN? FOREVER.
IT'S THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS ON A, ON A SCALE THAT WE'RE IN, YOU KNOW, IF, IF INFLATION WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT AT THE POINT, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE NICE IF, IF YOU COULD HAVE A SINGLE LINE FROM THE LOCAL PROVIDER.
BUT THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS IN NO, IN THIS TYPE OF OPERATION THAT WE HAVE.
IF IT WAS, THEN IT WOULD BE OBVIOUSLY A LOT LESS.
THIS IS A COMPLICATED ENTERPRISE THAT THE CITY OPERATES.
ANOTHER ITEM YOU MAY, YOU MAY SEE ON PAGE 54, UM, MISCELLANEOUS
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OTHER SERVICES, $10,000 THAT, IN THAT, THAT INCLUDES ARCHIVING SOCIAL MEDIA, AND THERE'S A COST WE HAVE TO KEEP ALL THAT INFORMATION BACKED UP, UH, WITH ALL THE CITY'S SOCIAL MEDIA THAT THAT GOES ON.YOU'LL ALSO SEE SUBMITTING INCREASES IN SOME SERVICE AND MAINTENANCE CONTRACTS.
AND THAT'S DUE TO INFLATION THAT THE VENDORS INCREASING THEIR ANNUAL RATES.
ON PAGE 55, YOU'LL SEE AN ITEM UNDER IT SUPPLIES 245% INCREASE.
AND THAT'S POWER SUPPLY UPDATES FOR, FOR SOME OF OUR SERVERS THAT ARE LOCATED ON THE THIRD FLOOR HERE AT CITY HALL.
UH, BASICALLY UPS UNFORTUNATELY CAN'T GET ONE OF THESE FROM, UH, THE TARGET OR, OR, OR STAPLES OR ANYTHING.
IT'S GOTTA BE SOMETHING THAT PROVIDES THE CLEAN POWER TO THE SYSTEMS AND, AND PROTECTS THEM IN CASE THERE'S ANY TYPE OF, UM, POWER ISSUED.
ANY QUESTIONS ON IT? DID GIS MOVE TO ANOTHER SPOT OR IS THAT GIS IS GOING TO BE MOVING TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES? UM, WE DID LOOK AND SEE.
WE, WE PUT THAT WITH IT AND, UM, THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER DEALS WITH THAT DEPARTMENT AND, YOU KNOW, HE'S NOT HERE DURING THIS, BUT THE BIG THING THAT THEY SAW WAS THAT IT WOULD REALLY WORK BETTER FOR GIS TO BE WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
THE, THEY DO MORE WORK WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES THAN ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT.
SO IT JUST MAKES SENSE FOR IT TO BE THERE.
SO I'M JUST ASKING, SO WE'LL GO OVER THAT BUDGET IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES? THAT'S CORRECT.
THAT'S WHY EVERYTHING IS HERE BASICALLY ZEROED DOWN FOR SOME REASON.
AND UM, GOODNESS THING AT THE TIME WE HAD, UH, GIS AND IT WANTED TO LOOK AT MERGING AND SO STEPH THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA, WOULD END UP NOT BEING A GREAT IDEA.
SO MOVING IT BACK TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE, UH, IT IS BIG ENOUGH TO WHERE THE STANDALONE THING AND THAT'S WHERE THEIR FOCUS NEEDS TO BE.
WE'RE GOING TO FINANCE NOW AND KIM WILL COVER THAT.
SO, UM, PAGE 60 STARTS OUR ACCOUNTING BUDGET AND, UM, GONNA HIGHLIGHT THAT, UH, THE 76% INCREASE ALONG WITH RIGHT ABOVE THAT 18% DECREASE.
SO SE UM, PROFESSIONAL UNDER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES THOSE, UM, WE JUST REALIGNED A FEW THINGS, UM, TO PUT THE ONES THAT WERE IN ACCOUNTING PROFESSIONAL SERVICES INTO THE OTHER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES SO THAT THEY WERE ACCOUNTED FOR CORRECTLY.
AND I'LL GIVE YOU A LIST OF WHAT THAT INCLUDES.
SO, UM, WE HAVE THE DEBT BOOK CONTRACT, WHICH, UM, IS A GAS HELPS US WITH OUR, ONE OF OUR REQUIREMENTS, OUR G ME I THINK 86.
WE HAVE OUR CLOCKWISE ANNUAL CONTRACT, WHICH IS FOR OUR TIMEKEEPING AND IT'S $21,000.
WE HAVE THE ACTUARIAL SERVICES FOR OPEP, WHICH IS, UM, SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE CALCULATED BY AN ACTUA ACTUARIAL, UM, CALCULATION.
AND THAT IS $7,500 AND THAT'S FOR YEAR END.
UM, YOU'LL SEE THAT THAT'S, UM, WHAT THEY REFERENCE IN THE AUDIT WHEN THEY DO THEIR AUDIT PRESENTATION.
WE DO HAVE, UM, THE LGC APPLICATION FEES OF $3,000.
WE HAVE, UM, THE G F O A PATH R APPLICATION WAS $350.
UM, THE DISTINGUISHED BUDGET, UM, APPLICATION WAS 450.
AND, UM, OUR SUBMISSION FOR OUR AUDIT IS $550.
WE HAVE AN ANNUAL PAYROLL TAX UPDATE TO MUNIS FOR $1,100.
WE HAVE, UM, ARBITRAGE SET ASIDE FOR $10,000 AND, UM, MISCELLANEOUS SERVICES FOR 2000.
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AND THAT TOTALS THE 55,700.UM, WE HAVE SOME DECREASES, UM, PAGE 61 JUST SHOWING, UM, ALIGNING MORE WITH WHERE WE ARE IN THIS CURRENT YEAR.
SO THERE ARE SOME DECREASES IN THOSE BUDGETS.
WE ARE FULLY STAFFED, SO WE HAVE A DECREASE IN, UM, TEMPORARY HEALTH SERVICES.
AND, UM, AGAIN, THE MISCELLANEOUS OTHER SERVICES REALLY IT WAS THE, UM, PUTTING THE CONTRACTS IN OTHER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES WHERE THEY BELONG.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THAT DECREASE.
WE WERE JUST GETTING THINGS ALIGNED PROPERLY.
WE HAVE ON PAGE 62, UM, UNIFORMS. I KNOW IT SAYS 500%.
THAT'S BECAUSE THEY USED TO DO THE SHIRTS, UM, AND CODE THEM UNDER SUPPLIES.
WE HAVE A UNIFORM ACCOUNT, SO WE ADDED THAT UNIFORM ACCOUNT THIS YEAR FOR FINANCE.
THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T SEE THE HISTORY.
KIM, WHAT'S OUR, UM, AUTO INVESTMENT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS? WHAT'S OUR AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY? I SEE THAT IT'S GOING UP.
IS IT A PERCENTAGE BASED OFF OF THE VALUATION THAT WE PAY THE COUNTY? YES.
IS IS THERE A CAP TO THAT? I MEAN, WE, THE VALUATION WENT UP 42% AND IT DIDN'T GO UP, BUT THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.
IT, IT'S ACTUALLY JUST A PERCENTAGE ON THE COLLECTION.
WHAT ABOUT THE TRAVEL AND TRAINING? SURE.
UM, WHAT, WHAT HAS IT BEEN FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS? I'M JUST CURIOUS.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT CITYWIDE OR DEPARTMENT? UH, I'M JUST LIVING ON THE FINANCE RIGHT NOW.
THEN ON DOWN WE HAVE 24, BUT ON UP THE 24 THEN I GUESS I DON'T WHAT PAGE YOU ON JOHNNY? UH, 61.
I DO ALSO WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT WE HAVE, UM, 1, 2, 3, 4, 4 NEW FIVE NEW STAFF.
SO WITH THAT COMES TRAINING TOO.
LOOK LIKE THE NUMBERS CHANGED A LITTLE BIT.
THAT'S WHY I WAS WONDERING WHAT WAS IT LIKE FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS.
DO YOU HAVE THOSE NUMBERS? YEP.
I'M, I'M ACTUALLY PULLING THOSE UP RIGHT NOW.
SO IN 2022 WE SPENT, WE HAD A BUNCH OF 16,887 AND WE SPENT 15,000 TO 29.
UM, IN 2021 THERE WAS A LOT THAT WAS ONLINE AND WE SPENT $9,720.
IS A LOT OF THIS TRAINING, MANDATORY TRAINING, UM, REQUIRED FOR CERTIFICATIONS? FOR CERTIFICATIONS? YES.
AND ONCE THEY GET THEIR CERTIFICATIONS, THEN IT'S JUST MAINTAINING.
SO SOME OF THEM WILL STILL BE REQUIRED JUST TO MAINTAIN THEIR CERT, CERT CERTIFICATIONS.
AND THEN, UM, AND THEN, UM, WE ALSO HAVE A COUPLE NATIONAL CONFERENCES IN THERE TOO.
OR NOT NATIONAL, I'M SORRY, UM, THE, THE, THEIR STATE CONFERENCES, BUT FOR NATIONAL ORGANIZATION.
AND THEN IN 2018, I THINK IT'S 19 WAS 11,200, HUNDRED $90 WAS SPENT AND 2018 WAS $12,005.
SO WITH, SO IT IS JUMPED THEN THEY DID, BUT WE HAVE FIVE NEW STAFF THAT NEED THEIR CERTIFICATION, THEIR TRAINING, AND IT'S IN PERSON.
SO THAT'S, AND IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT THE, THE, I CAN GO THROUGH THE DETAIL IF
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YOU'D LIKE FOR US.I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THE NUMBER JUMPING.
WE TRY OUR BEST TO DO THE ONES THAT WE CAN ONLINE TO REDUCE THE TRAVEL.
SO HOW MUCH DO YOU NORMALLY DO ONLINE? WELL, UM, THEY JUST, IT'S HARD TO, IT'S HARD TO ANSWER THAT BECAUSE, UM, SOME OF THE CONFERENCES THIS YEAR WE REALIZED THAT THEY WEREN'T ALLOWING US TO DO 'EM ONLINE.
THAT YOU HAVE TO DO 'EM IN PERSON.
SO I, I COULD LOOK AND GET BACK WITH YOU ON THAT IF YOU'D LIKE.
JUST KEEP, BUT IF IT ALLOWS US TO DO ONLINE, WE DO.
TYPICALLY, SO AND SO OUR MCKINZIE AS YOU KNOW, 20 20, 20 21 AND AT LEAST PART OF 22, THE MAJORITY OF TRAINING THAT OCCURRED ON NATIONWIDE WAS, WAS REMOTELY THROUGH ZOOM AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND SO REALLY LAST YEAR WE STARTED SEEING A LOT OF IN-PERSON TRAINING AGAIN.
AND THIS YEAR I THINK PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING IS MM-HMM.
UM, SO THE, AND FY 20 AND 21, UM, THAT, THAT TRAINING WAS PRETTY FLAT, UH, THE LAST TWO YEARS.
CITYWIDE TRAINING HAS BEEN PRETTY MUCH IN LINE WITH, UH, YEAR TO YEAR.
I THINK THIS YEAR OVERALL CITYWIDE THERE WAS LIKE A $6,000 INCREASE IN, IN OUR TRAINING BUDGET.
UM, THERE HAS BEEN SIGNIFICANT TURNOVER, UH, AND SEVERAL STAFF WHERE THEY NEEDED TO HAVE CERTAIN SPECIFIC TRAINING.
ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE, UH, DIVISIONS THAT WE SEE, ALWAYS SEE TURNOVER IN IS OUR TELECOMMUNICATORS IN 9 1 1.
IT'S ALWAYS DIFFICULT TO KEEP STAFF IN THOSE POSITIONS.
AND SO, UM, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT, UH, YESTERDAY, UH, WHEN AUMAN ASKED HER ASKED THAT QUESTION.
BUT WE SEE THAT IN CERTAIN, CERTAIN DEPARTMENTS WITH THINGS WE HAVE TO CONSTANTLY DO THAT UPDATED TRAINING ON YOU.
JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST TRYING TO STAY ON POINT, LET EVERYBODY KNOW EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING UP AROUND THE, AROUND EVERYBODY BUT THE BOARD
SO I'M, I'M PAGE 62 OR ARE YOU GUYS READY TO MOVE FORWARD? I'M SORRY.
ON PAGE 62, WE TALKED ABOUT THE UNIFORMS. WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, OR NO, THE JANITORIAL SURPRISE TO GO UP.
UM, THAT'S JUST ALIGNING IT WITH THIS CURRENT YEAR'S ANTICIPATED EXPENSES AND WE'RE ALREADY OVER A THOUSAND DOLLARS.
UM, THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT CONSISTS OF A HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR NEWBURN 1 0 1 EXPENSES.
WE HAVE, UM, INCREASED FUEL CHARGES OF COURSE.
AND THEN THE, IT RESTRICTED, I'LL JUST JUMP DOWN, JUMP DOWN TO THAT LINE.
THAT IS FOR REPLACEMENT OF COMPUTERS THAT ARE, UM, AT END OF LIFE.
AND OUR STAFF REALLY NEED THOSE REPLACED CUZ IT'S RUNNING VERY SLOW.
SO PAGE 63 IS THE PURCHASING AND WAREHOUSE DIVISION.
WE DO NOT SEE ANY REAL, IT DO NOT SEE ANYTHING THAT REALLY STICKS OUT UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON PAGE 63.
FROM AN ALLOCATION STANDPOINT, ALL OF THESE COSTS GET ALLOCATED OUT CORRECTLY.
IS THAT, IS THAT, IS THAT RIGHT? SO THE WAREHOUSE IS, I MEAN, OTHER THAN GENERAL FUND THINGS, SO ANYTHING THAT ELECTRIC DEPARTMENT UTILIZES THROUGH THE WAREHOUSE, THEY PAY FOR IT.
SO FOR THE STAFFING AND THE BASIC BUDGET THERE, THAT IS THROUGH THE SHARED SERVICE LINE.
THAT ALLOCATION THAT YOU SAW YESTERDAY.
BUT WE DON'T, WE DON'T MAKE A LINE ITEM ENTRY TO SHOW THAT DIRECTLY IN THE BUDGET FOR THE WAREHOUSE.
IT JUST STAYS IN THE GENERAL FUND.
SO ON PAGE 64, AGAIN, I, EVERYTHING'S PRETTY MUCH STAYING THE SAME.
WE HAD A COUPLE OF DECREASES JUST BECAUSE WE AREN'T ANTICIPATING CERTAIN THINGS.
UM, THE FREIGHT EXPRESS DELIVERIES WE'VE BROUGHT BACK DOWN.
UM, AND MOVING ON TO PAGE 65, WE HAVE, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF A REDUCTION IN THEIR OFFICE SUPPLIES AND, AND MATERIALS AS WELL AND SAFETY SUPPLIES.
KIND OF A, A NEW GUY QUESTION ON 64 CALE ROAD RENT? IS THAT WHERE THE WAREHOUSE IS? YES.
SO WAREHOUSES, UM, OVERALL BUDGET
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WAS $438,002.PAGE 66 IS OUR, OUR OUR AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN, UM, FUND THAT WE USED TO, UH, FOR THAT REVENUE SELECTION, WE DEFERRED IT BACK TO THE JOURNAL FUND.
AND YOU, WE DO NOT HAVE A MANAGER'S RECOMMENDED BUDGET BECAUSE WHATEVER'S NOT SPENT WILL BE ROLLED OVER IN THE, UM, BUDGET AMENDMENT WHEN WE DO THE ROLLOVER POS.
SO, AND AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR QUESTION YES.
NORMALLY, WHAT IS THE TOLL THAT WE HAVE ROLLED OVER AT, AFTER EACH FISCAL YEAR? I'M JUST CURIOUS.
I'M JUST ASKING A QUESTION THAT I, I'M, I'M OUT THERE IN THE WOODS TO LOST.
UM, TANYA MIGHT REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF HER HEAD BETTER THAN I CAN, BUT I REMEMBER IT'S QUITE HIGH THIS LAST YEAR BECAUSE WE JUST HAD SO MUCH, UM, ON BACK ORDER.
UM, I WANNA SAY IT WAS CLOSE TO $2 MILLION THAT WE ROLLED OVER FOR GENERAL FUND.
IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN ABOUT A MILLION IN THE HAT.
BUT, UM, THAT WAS ROLLOVER FROM LAST YEAR RIGHT AFTER THE, AFTER EVERYTHING WAS SPENT.
SO, SO IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AFTER, THESE ARE THE POS SO THIS IS BASICALLY AT THE END OF THE YEAR WHEN WE CLOSE OUT THE YEAR, WE WILL, UM, SET ASIDE THE REMAINING ARPA FUNDS.
I'M GONNA JUST USE THEM FOR EXAMPLE, AND, AND IT'LL BE A COMMITTED FUND BALANCE.
AND THEN, UM, NEXT WHEN WE ARE DONE CLOSING, WE'LL ACTUALLY TAKE THOSE OPEN POS AND WE'LL ROLL THEM OVER AND THEN IT'LL COME FROM THAT COMMITTED FUND BALANCE AND WE SPEND THEM DOWN AND JUST CONTINUES TO DO THAT UNTIL WE'RE DONE.
SO OUR ROLLOVER WILL BE MUCH HIGHER THIS YEAR, BUT YOU'LL CLEARLY SEE THAT MOST OF, A LOT OF IT WILL BE THE ARPA FUNDS, THOSE PROJECTS.
SO ESSENTIALLY WE'VE, WE'VE GOT, WE WERE GIVEN ABOUT 6.7 MILLION IN ARFA MM-HMM.
AND WE'VE ALLOCATED PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THAT, ALMOST ALL OF THAT.
I THINK WE HAVE ONLY 400 AND YEAH, WE'VE ONLY SPENT 623.
DOES THAT MEANS THERE'S A LOT OF PROJECTS IN THE WORKS THAT ARE STILL ONGOING? ARE WE ANTICIPATING THAT IT'S PROBABLY A FOSTER OR GEORGE QUESTION? ARE WE ANTICIPATING THAT MOST OF THOSE ARE GONNA BE COMPLETED THIS UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR? THEY SHOULD ALL BE COMPLETED BY THE END OF THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
SO I'M ASSUMING THAT ALL THESE BREAKDOWNS, SO OTTOMAN ROYAL FOR WARD TWO, THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR SIDEWALKS.
I'M GUESSING THAT MIGHT BE THE $500,725 ENTRY THAT WE HAVEN'T EXPENDED ANYTHING YET.
AND THEN I'M ASSUMING THAT THINGS LIKE OTHER EQUIPMENT IS PROBABLY THE, PROBABLY THE, UM, SPEED LIMIT SIGNS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE'VE FOUGHT AND PAID FOR.
SO WE HAVE THIS, UM, ALL CATEGORIZED FOR, UM, EACH, WHAT I'M PASSING AROUND RIGHT NOW IS OUR LIST.
AND THIS LIST HAS AN ACCOUNT NUMBER ASSOCIATED OKAY.
SO THE, UM, LAST DIGIT, I BELIEVE IS WHAT WE SELECTED.
NO, THE FIRST DIGIT OF THE, UM, LAST ACCOUNT, THE FOUR DIGIT ACCOUNT NUMBER THAT SHOWS YOU WHAT WORD IT STARTS WITH OR WHAT WORD IT BELONGS TO.
SO IT'S, SO I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THAT.
SO THAT'S ACTUALLY MINE AT 500,000 7 25.
SO I DON'T SEE THE ACCOUNT NUMBER ON HERE, BUT I GUESS WE COULD JUST FIGURE IT OUT, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
IT'S, NO, I CAN, I CAN SEND YOU ONE WITH AN ACCOUNT NUMBER IF YOU'D LIKE, BUT THIS, THIS IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN GIVING YOU.
BECAUSE WE DIDN'T YEAH, THAT'D BE GREAT IF YOU COULD.
THAT'D BE VERY HELPFUL, I THINK.
BUT IF I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE ON, ON PAGE 66.
WELL, LET'S ACTUALLY MOVE TO PAGE 67.
AND THAT LAST ONE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR $547,000, DO YOU SEE THE, UM, OVER TO THE LEFT, THE LAST FIVE DIGITS? THERE'S 3 9 23? YEP.
SO THAT THREE, THE FIRST THREE THAT IT STARTS, THAT, THAT REPRESENTS WARD THREE.
SO EACH ONE OF THESE ACCOUNT NUMBERS HAS A
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MEETING THAT ROLLS UP TO A REPORT, BUT I CAN DEFINITELY DISTRIBUTE THIS TO YOU WITH THE ACCOUNT NUMBERS IF YOU'D LIKE.YEAH, THAT, THAT'LL BE HELPFUL FOR SURE.
LIKE FOSTER, WE'VE GOT A, THE STOP LIGHT AT THE CORNER OF MIDDLE AND BROAD THAT'S ON HERE SOMEWHERE, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND UM, AFTER WE FINISH WITH THE BUDGET, WE'VE GOT A RPA UPDATES.
SO MR. CHOWS WILL BE GIVING US AN UPDATE ON THAT PROJECT AND ALL THE OTHERS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, NO.
KIM, THANK YOU FOR, UM, IDENTIFYING HOW TO READ WHAT WORK.
WELL, THE, AND THE, THE DETAIL IS WITHIN THE, UM, THE ATTA THE THING THAT I JUST PASSED AROUND BECAUSE OF COURSE EVERYTHING IS CATEGORIZED BY OBJECT CODE IN HERE AND SO IT ROLLS IT UP INTO A DESCRIPTION THAT ISN'T HELPFUL.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT PERTAINS TO THIS.
UM, IS THERE ANY STUDY OR ANY CONSIDERATION FOR ALL OF THESE INTERSECTIONS THAT NEED THESE FOUR-WAY STOP SIGNS? UM, WE HAVEN'T DONE A CITYWIDE STUDY ON THAT.
WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING, ESPECIALLY THIS YEAR, IS WHEN WE RECEIVED COMPLAINTS, WE HAVE DONE AN INTERNAL STUDY WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND POLICE TO DETERMINE IF THERE'S A NEED FOR THAT.
BUT CITYWIDE, WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT YET.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN, UM, A LOT OF ISSUES THERE.
I THINK THERE'VE BEEN AT LEAST THREE, THREE INTERSECTIONS WE'VE HAD TO LOOK AT SO FAR THIS YEAR FOR THIS SPECIFICALLY HANCOCK AND PAULA.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S BEEN ONE OF 'EM THAT WE'VE RECEIVED ANY COMPLAINTS ON EXCEPT FROM MINE.
DIDN'T WE CHANGE IT? IT USED TO BE WHERE THE STOP SIGNS ARE NOW.
IT USED TO BE THE OPPOSITE WAY CAUSE OF THE RAILROAD.
I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY ALREADY ROAD ADDRESSED ONCE SHE'S STOPPED THE TRAFFIC.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON FINANCE? ALL OUR NEXT DEPARTMENT IS HUMAN RESOURCES AND IF YOU TURN TO PAGE 69, UH, HUMAN RESOURCES DOES QUITE A LOT.
UH, THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ONBOARDING AND OFF ONBOARDING OF ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES.
THEY DEAL WITH THE WORKERS' COMPENSATION PROGRAM.
THEY DEAL WITH THE CLASSIFICATIONS AND COMPENSATION OF OUR EMPLOYEES.
UH, THEY ARE, UH, THE RECRUITMENT AND SELECTION AGENT FOR OUR NEW EMPLOYEES BENEFITS ADMINISTRATION.
THEY COORDINATE THE HEALTH AND SAFETY PROGRAM.
THEY DO THE ASHA RELATED TRAINING FOR THE CITY PERFORMANCE MANAGEMENT, RECORD KEEPING, AND EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION.
AND, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT WE HAVE REALLY IMPLEMENTED IN THE LAST YEAR OR SO WITH DOING OUR EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION LUNCHES.
UH, WHAT THE BOARD IS GENEROUSLY ALLOCATED AT CHRISTMAS TIME FOR, UH, A GIFT TO OUR CITY EMPLOYEES.
AND THE EMPLOYEES GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT.
SO THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR HUMAN RESOURCES FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR IS $965,461.
THE HR DIRECTOR DID REQUEST, AND WE DO RECOMMEND ADDING ONE POSITION THAT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT FOR THAT DEPARTMENT.
UH, THEY, UH, DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH STAFF TO ACCOMPLISH ALL THEY NEED TO.
AND, AND BASICALLY WITH, WITH MUNICIPAL HR DEPARTMENTS, THERE IS A SURVEY BASED ON HOW MANY EMPLOYEES YOU HAVE.
UH, THAT SHOWS, UM, HOW MANY EMPLOYEES IN HR YOU SHOULD HAVE.
AND, AND SO SHE'S TRYING TO ADD ONE MORE EMPLOYEE, UH, TO HELP EASE THAT WORKLOAD.
UH, SO FAR I'M SEEING THAT THE LARGEST INCREASE REQUEST IS ON PAGE 72.
HR DOES PARTICIPATE IN QUITE A LOT OF JOB FAIRS.
THEY, UH, TO TRY TO, UH, RECRUIT EMPLOYEES TO COME INTO THE CITY.
AND THEN THERE IS AN INCREASE IN, IN IT UNDER RESTRICTED USE.
SO IT'S A REPLACEMENT OF, OF SOME COMPUTERS AND, AND, UH, SOFTWARE IN THAT DEPARTMENT.
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BIGGEST OVERALL INCREASES OVER THE LAST YEAR THAT WE'RE SEEING.AND NO CAPITAL ITEMS WERE REQUESTED THIS YEAR.
ANY QUESTIONS IN HR? OUR NEXT DEPARTMENT IS POLICE.
THAT'S ON PAGE, STARTS ON PAGE 74 WITH THE HIGHLIGHTS AND THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES.
AND CHIEF IS HERE AND SO HE CAN CHIME IN AS NEEDED.
BUT, UH, POLICE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT DIVISIONS.
OPERATIONS, SERVICES AND INVESTIGATIONS.
THEY PERFORM A VARIETY OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH TOO FOR OUR CITIZENS.
WE HAVE REQUESTED A A FEW ITEMS, BUT THE ONE THING THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING, UH, FOR CAPITAL IS TO REPLACE 10 POLICE CRUISERS AT A COST OF $621,520.
JUST SOME KIND OF QUESTIONS ON THAT.
UM, SO WE REPLACED, OR AT LEAST IT WAS IN THE BUDGET TO REPLACED 10 LAST YEAR.
IS THIS LIKE, UH, I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY VEHICLES WE HAVE.
IS THAT OVER A FIVE YEAR PLAN OR 10 YEAR PLAN OR, UH, LONG TERM STRATEGY IS TO TRY TO MAINTAIN OUR PLEA IN A READINESS CAPACITY.
UM, WE BELIEVE THAT, UM, 10 CARS PER YEAR CAN KEEP US CLOSE TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE.
UM, IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THAT, THAT FLEET READINESS, WE UTILIZE THE CITY GARAGES METRICS TO DETERMINE, UM, THE STATUS OF OUR VEHICLES.
UH, WE CERTAINLY CAN USE MORE, UM, BUT WE, WE CAN LIVE WITH 10 AND I WILL SAY THAT'S 10 EACH YEAR.
AND TO BE QUITE CANDID WITH YOU, NEXT YEAR I'M LIKELY GONNA BE ASKING FOR MORE THAN 10.
I ASK, WELL LIKELY GONNA BE ASKING FOR MORE THAN 10 NEXT YEAR.
AND, AND TO BE CLEAR, THE, THE DEPARTMENT DID REQUEST 15.
WE'VE GOTTA LOOK AT THE OVERALL CAPITAL FOR THE ENTIRE CITY.
UM, WE ALSO DID REACH OUT TO THE GARAGE.
THE GARAGE MAINTAINS ALL THE RECORDS ON, ON THEIR VEHICLES.
UM, THERE WAS AN IMMEDIATE NEED FOR 10 WITH THE OTHER FIVE.
WE CAN LOOK AT REPLACING THOSE IN IN PREVIOUS YEARS.
BUT ON AVERAGE THEY DO GET ABOUT FIVE YEARS OUT OF LIFE.
AND IT'S BASED ON, DEFINITELY HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SERVICE RECORD, IF THE VEHICLES HAVE BEEN DAMAGED, UH, HOW MUCH WE'RE SPENDING ON AN INDIVIDUAL VEHICLE.
AND THE MILEAGE ITSELF, THOSE VEHICLES ARE USUALLY ON, UH, FOR THE ENTIRE DURATION OF A, OF AN OFFICER'S SHIFT.
UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA SEE ON A CONTINUOUS BASIS.
SO LITERALLY EVERY YEAR WE'RE GONNA SEE POLICE CARS PURCHASED.
UM, UM, AND THAT'S JUST THE COST OF DOING THIS.
AND, AND I KNOW YOU'RE HOT SEATING THEM, SO I I UNDERSTAND THAT.
SO THE FOLLOWING QUESTION IS, UM, HOW CONFIDENT YOU'RE GONNA GET THESE VEHICLES.
AND LET ME PUT THAT IN CONTEXT CUZ A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, UH, I WAS IN THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER MEETING AND THE SHERIFF WASN'T CONFIDENT HE WAS GONNA GET VEHICLES THAT HE PURCHASED BECAUSE THE DODGE CHARGER LINE WAS SHUTTING DOWN.
UM, SO, UM, LAST YEAR I WAS EXTREMELY PESSIMISTIC THAT WE COULD OBTAIN THE 12 VEHICLES WE WERE GRANTED LAST YEAR, TWO OF WHICH WERE, UM, MINIVAN TYPE VEHICLES FOR OUR, UH, FORENSIC, UH, TECHNICIANS.
UM, WE WERE ABLE TO SUCCESSFULLY PURCHASE ALL THE VEHICLES THAT WE ASKED FOR.
UM, I, I AM AWARE THAT THERE ARE GONNA BE SOME CHALLENGES, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO, UM, PURCHASE THE 10 THAT WE'RE REQUESTING OR IF APPROVED.
I'M PRETTY CERTAIN THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET THOSE.
AND THEN ARE THESE, UH, LIKE THE FIRE TRUCK YOU PAY UP FRONT OR THEY PAY ON DELIVERY? OR DO, DOES IT VARY, VARY I GUESS? WELL, THE, THE, THERE ARE REALLY TWO COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
THERE'S THE COST OF THE VEHICLE, RIGHT? WE PAY THAT RIGHT OUT JUST LIKE YOU WOULD, WE DON'T FINANCE THE VEHICLE AND IT'S PAID FOR.
THE SECOND PART OF THAT IS THE OUTFIT OF THE VEHICLE, THE, THE STRIPING, THE EQUIPMENT ADDED.
UM, AND THOSE ARE ALSO PAID RIGHT UP FRONT.
SO ONCE, ONCE WE TAKE DELIVERY OF THE VEHICLE, ALL THE PAYMENTS ARE MADE.
UM, AND THEN A FOLLOWING QUESTION THAT I, I KIND OF MENTIONED TO YOU, FOSTER, UM, FOR CAPITAL RECOVERY MM-HMM.
THAT MONEY GOES BACK INTO FUND BALANCE.
AND YOU KNOW, MY, MY THOUGHT IS SOMEHOW, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF GOING AND MAKING A CONSCIOUS DECISION TO REACH BACK INTO FUND BALANCE TO MAKE SOME OF THESE CAPITAL OUTLAYS, THAT MAYBE
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WE OUGHT TO TRACK SOME OF OUR CAPITAL RECOVERY IN ORDER TO AUTOMATICALLY PUT IT IN AS A CAPITAL OUTLAY.UM, YOU KNOW, AND IN THIS CASE IT'S BEING VERY DIFFICULT, YOU KNOW, UM, CUZ WE'RE CONSIDERING AT LEAST RAISING TAXES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT USING MONEY THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN BUDGETED IN PRIOR YEARS IN THAT CAPITAL RECOVERY, NOT A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN IT ADDS UP IT'S SIGNIFICANT.
SO I DON'T KNOW, UM, HOW THE BOARD FEELS ABOUT THAT OR IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO TRACK OR CAN TRACK OR IS IT WORTH THE TIME TO TRACK.
BUT WE, WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO THAT AND, UM, WE NEED THE BOARD'S DIRECTION ON THAT.
WE CAN COME BACK AT A FUTURE MEETING TO, TO BRING SOMETHING BEFORE YOU.
BUT WE CAN ALSO LOOK AND STAFF MAY BE ABLE TO PULL THIS UP WHILE WE'RE HERE TODAY TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE, UH, ON, UH, ON, ON SOME OF THAT CAPITAL RECOVERY FROM TODAY.
I DIDN'T BEFORE DATE THIS YEAR ON WHAT WE'VE RECEIVED.
I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S PROBABLY NOT MUCH.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, ON AVERAGE WE SPENT $45,000 FOR A CRUISER LAST YEAR AND WE PROBABLY SOLD IT FOR THREE TO FIVE.
BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT 10 TO 12 VEHICLES, IT STARTS ADDING UP TO A VEHICLE IN OF ITSELF.
BUT RIGHT NOW OUR SALE OF FIXED ASSETS, UM, REVENUE FOR 2023 IS $212,000.
THAT'S WHAT WE RECEIVED FOR GENERAL FUND.
SO IT COULD HAVE BEEN A FIRE TRUCK, IT COULD HAVE BEEN A DUMP TRUCK.
I MEAN IT COULD HAVE BEEN ANY VEHICLE CAUSE IT'S ALL GENERAL FUND.
BUT THAT'S $212,000 THAT I WOULD ARGUE SHOULD GO BACK IN THE CAPITAL OUTLAY VERSUS SITTING IN THE GENERAL FUND AS A RAINY DAY.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE A SEPARATE CAPITAL OUTLAY FUND, DO WE? IT COMES OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND, RIGHT? NO, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE'RE ALLOCATING IT IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET MM-HMM.
IT'S A, AS A REVENUE, BUT, BUT THAT'S OFFSETTING OUR CURRENT YEAR CAPITAL.
I I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
YOU WOULD JUST SET IT ASIDE, BUT I I DON'T THINK WE SELL ENOUGH.
I THINK WE HAD A LARGE SALE THAT WOULD COMPLETELY MAKE SENSE.
BUT I DON'T THINK WE SELL ENOUGH OR GET ENOUGH REVENUE FROM THE SALE EFFECT FIXED ASSETS AT THIS POINT TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE'RE PURCHASING CAPITAL EVERY YEAR.
THAT IS WHAT, BUT WE'RE GETTING CAPITAL BACK EVERY YEAR IS MY POINT.
I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT IT, BUT IT'S JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE NO, I'M, I'M, WE CAN CERTAINLY ANALYZE IT.
I THINK WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, AND I I THINK I REQUESTED THIS PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER, I BELIEVE FOR US TO GET ON A ROUTINE BASIS, OUR GOV DEAL SELLS OR ANYTHING THAT WE SELL SO THE BOARD'S AWARE BEFORE WE SELL SOMETHING.
AND THEN ONCE IT'S SOLD SO WE CAN KIND OF KEEP TRACK OF WHAT THAT INFLOW AND OUTFLOW IS.
WHICH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS NUMBER, THERE'S ACTUALLY AN OFFSET TO IT.
IT'S JUST NOT CAPTURED IN HERE.
I I MEAN I I GUESS I AM ASSUMING THAT IT WASN'T.
AND BUT IT, AND NOT TO THE CAPITAL POINT, BUT YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS I BROUGHT UP IS THE SALE OF OUR EXCESS PROPERTY.
BUT YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE OUGHT TRACK THAT AND USE THAT FOR SOME OF THESE PROJECTS AS WELL INSTEAD OF PASSING ON A BILL TO, UH, THIS YEAR'S BUDGETS.
I MEAN, WHAT I WAS SAYING WAS I THINK WE'VE SOLD 15, 20 PROPERTIES THIS YEAR.
AND I'M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT THE T SLOT CAUSE I WENT BACK TO MSD, BUT THE OTHERS WE SOLD, THEY WENT BACK INTO, UH, GENERAL FUND AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT IS.
I I DIDN'T TRACK IT, BUT MAKES SENSE.
BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME, SOME MONEY COMING BACK IN THAT MM-HMM.
AND GIVEN THAT WE HAVE A HEALTHY, VERY HEALTHY FUND BALANCE RIGHT NOW THAT MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT IT JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT.
I'LL BE HAPPY TO GIVE YOU A REPORT OF WHAT WE'VE SOLD, WHAT THE LIST ENTAILS OF OUR SALES.
BUT I, I GUESS I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THESE CAPITAL OUTLAYS YOU HAVE, THE RECOVERY HAS ALREADY BEEN INCLUDED.
THAT'S WHAT I, I DID NOT UNDERSTAND.
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CHIEF WITH THE CARS AT THE GUYS DRIVE HOMES AND THE ONES THAT YOU SEE PARKED IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, UM, THE ONES THAT'S PARKED THE, THE MAINTENANCE RECORDS FOR THOSE CARS, ARE THEY LOW OR HIGH BECAUSE YOU HAVE GUYS DRIVING CARS ONLY.SO I WOULD HAVE TO, UM, GET, DO THE RESEARCH ON THAT TO GET BACK WITH YOU ON THE SPECIFICS OF THAT.
BUT I WILL SAY THIS, UM, A VEHICLE THAT IS ASSIGNED TO A PATROL OFFICER AS AN ASSIGNED VEHICLE IS DRIVEN FAR LESS THAN THE VEHICLES THAT ARE, UM, HOT SEATED.
MEANING THAT ESSENTIALLY THEY'RE DRIVEN 24 7.
SO OUR STRATEGY IS TO HAVE A VEHICLE ASSIGNED TO A PATROL OFFICER SPECIFICALLY SO THAT THE VEHICLE IS ONLY DRIVEN SO MANY MILES DURING THE WORK WEEK AS OPPOSED TO JUST CONSTANTLY BEING DRIVEN FROM ONE SHIFT TO THE NEXT.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH VEHICLES TO ASSIGN TO ALL OF OUR STAFF.
SENIOR OFFICERS DO HAVE AN ASSIGNED VEHICLE IF THEY DO NOT LIVE WITHIN THE, UM, UH, ORDINANCE THAT PROVIDES FOR TAKE HOME VEHICLES AND THEY HAVE TO SOUND LIKE PARK IT FOSTER.
WHERE, WHERE ARE WE WITH THAT? I KNOW THAT'S BEEN A TOPIC WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT RETENTION AND RECRUITING.
I KNOW THAT MOST OF THE OTHER AGENCIES AROUND US, THEY OFFER A CAR FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL TO KEEP THE, THE DRIVE HOME POLICY WITH SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED TO.
SO ARE WE LOOKING AT THAT STILL? WE, WE STILL ARE THAT THE POLICY, WHICH IS AN INTERNAL POLICY IS, IS ROBUST AND IT COVERS A ALL OF THE CITY DEPARTMENTS.
UM, AND THERE'S SOME THINGS IN THERE THAT WE'VE GOT THE, THE GARAGE UPDATING THAT HADN'T ACTUALLY BEEN PUT IN PLACE, UH, FROM THE PREVIOUS VERSION SO THAT WE'RE TRYING TO JUST GET ALL THAT INFORMATION AND RELEASE THAT AT ONE TIME.
BUT YES, THAT IS, THAT IS COMING OUT.
SO ONCE YOU GET THAT CHIEF WOULD THEN BE ABLE TO LOOK AT HIS STAFF AND FIGURE OUT HOW MANY ADDITIONAL CARS WE NEED.
AND THE ASSISTANT MANAGER, I'LL TALK ABOUT HIM CAUSE HE IS NOT HERE.
HIM AND I HAVE A DISAGREEMENT ON THE TAKE HOME CAR POLICY.
HE BELIEVES IT SHOULD BE DONE WITHIN CERTAIN MILE RADIUS OF THE CITY LIMITS.
UM, I KIND OF DISAGREE WITH THAT CAUSE I'M SORRY, THE COUNTY LIMIT, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THE WAY DOWN IN HARLOW, WHICH IS IN THE COUNTY, BUT YET YOU COULD BE A FEW MILES OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS AND YOU COULD BE IN JONES COUNTY OUT OUR WAY OF TOWN.
I THINK IT, IT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT DIFFERENTLY.
IT, IT'S A CIRCUMFERENCE IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
AND THAT THAT'S IN REALITY BASED ON HOW HOW THIS COUNTY IS, IS LAID OUT.
THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE CAN REALISTICALLY LOOK AT IT.
AND SO WE'VE ALREADY, UH, PUT ON A GIS MAP WHERE ALL OF THE POLICE OFFICERS ARE LOCATED TO, TO DETERMINE HOW MANY ARE AFFECTED BY THAT AS WELL.
CAUSE THEORETICALLY IF EVERYBODY HAD THEIR OWN CARD, YOU HAD THE HOT SEAT, THE REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE WOULD LESSEN ONCE YOU MAKE THAT INITIAL CAPITAL INVESTMENT.
I HAVE A QUESTION ALSO, CHIEF, YOU SAID THAT THERE WAS TWO COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PURCHASE OF THE CARS.
ONE IS, EXCUSE ME, ONE IS THE PURCHASE AND THE OTHER IS TO OUTFIT THE CAR, UM, OUTFITTING WITH THE STRIPE AND EQUIPMENT.
IS THAT OUTSOURCED OR IS THAT IN-HOUSE? NO, THAT'S OUTSOURCED.
IS THAT, SO IS THAT WHEN YOU PURCHASE THE CAR OR YOU HAVE SOMEONE SPECIFIC THAT JUST HANDLES ALL OF THAT? WE HAVE, UM, I'M, I'M TRYING TO THINK.
IS IT IN THE CITY OF NEW BERN OR SOMEWHERE ELSE? I'M NOT EXACTLY CERTAIN WHERE THE, UM, ALL THE ELEMENTS OF, OF ALL THE REQUIREMENTS TO OUTFIT A VEHICLE.
I DON'T THINK THEY'RE ALL IN THE SAME EXACT LOCATION.
SOME OF THAT IS DONE ACTUALLY AT OUR FACILITY.
UM, STRIPING IS DONE IN ONE LOCATION.
THE INSTALLATION OF THE RADIOS ARE DONE IN ANOTHER LOCATION.
THE INSTALLATION OF THE EMERGENCY EQUIPMENT, THE LIGHT BARS AND THE, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
SO IT, IT, IT DOES KIND OF TRAVEL AROUND A LITTLE BIT TO, TO GET IT FULLY OUTFITTED READY FOR SERVICE.
SO THIS YEAR WE'RE RECOMMENDING A POLICE DEPARTMENT BUDGET OF 14,000,284 $84,147.
AND THAT INCLUDES, UM, SALARIES, SERVICE CAPITAL EXPENDITURE AS WELL.
HAVE YOU GOT ANY CERTAIN QUESTIONS ON WITHIN THE BUDGET? PLEASE LET US KNOW.
ARE WE BUDGETING FOR ALL OF THE HEADCOUNT? WE SURE ARE.
WE, WE STARTED DOING THAT LAST YEAR.
SO JUST FOR THE, THE, THE NEW MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, TYPICALLY,
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LET'S JUST SAY ROUND NUMBERS, THE CHIEF WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, 85 POSITIONS.STAFF WOULD LOOK AND SAY, WELL THERE'S ALWAYS SEEMS TO BE A 10% VACANCY, SO WE'RE ONLY GONNA BUDGET FOR 85 MINUS 10%.
AND I ALWAYS HAD A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I JUST THINK IT WAS FAIRLY DISHONEST BECAUSE THE BOARD COULD SIT HERE AND LOOK LIKE HEROES AND SAY, WELL LET'S BUDGET FOR A HUNDRED INSTEAD OF 85 AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA FUND THEM.
WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE? AND WE'VE HAD TO DO BUDGET AMENDMENTS IN THE PAST TO FIX THAT CAUSE OF THE WAY WE DO BUDGET.
SO I'M GLAD TO KNOW THAT WE FIXED THAT.
ANY QUESTIONS ON, ON POLICE? UM, SO I DID GET AN UPDATE ON THE, UM, WHAT THE CRA COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ARE, UM, WHAT THEIR STIPEND IS.
UM, BRENDA HAS EMAILED EVERYONE SOMETHING THAT WE COMPILED LAST MAY, AND WE'RE GONNA GET A, A HARD COPY FOR YOU BEFORE YOU LEAVE THE CHAIRMAN.
UH, THE CHAIRMAN STIPEND IS $15,202 72 CENTS EACH COMMISSIONER STIPEND IS $13,718 38 CENTS.
THE LOCAL TRAVEL STIPEND IS $550 PER MONTH.
UM, THE COUNTY MANAGER JUST RESPONDED TO, TO ANOTHER QUESTION I HAD.
AND EACH YEAR, UH, THAT STIPEND RECEIVES A COLA.
IF THE COUNTY ALLOCATES A COLA, GEEZ, IT'S $150 A MONTH FOR TRAVEL, BE CHEAPER TO BUY MY CAR.
SO BASICALLY $20,300 ON AVERAGE IS WHAT THEIR COMMISSIONER'S SALARY IS, INCLUDING THEIR TRAVEL.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? SO WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FROM THE MEMBERS? SO IF, IF, IF THE GOVERNING BOARD WOULD LIKE US TO MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS IN THE GOVERNING BOARD, UM, BUDGET, GIVE US A CONSENSUS AND WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
DO WE NEED A MOTION OR SOMETHING? I I THINK DIRECTION WILL BE FINE.
UH, I WOULD PREFER A MOTION MYSELF.
YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION ON WHAT YOU WANNA MAKE.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT, UM, WE WILL BE PAID THE SAME AS THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, IS THAT INCLUDING TRAVEL OR NOT? SO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HAVE A SEPARATE STIPEND ON THEIR TRAVEL, BUT THERE WOULD ALSO NEED TO BE DISCUSSION ON THE MAYOR PRO TIM.
AND YOU WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT AGAIN? DOES THAT MOTION INCLUDE THIS TRAVEL STIPEND OR ARE WE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE 13,000? THE MOTION IS INCLUSIVE OF WHAT THE MOTION IS MADE FOR THE TRAVEL AND THE, UH, SALARY.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT $20,000 A YEAR.
SO YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE 500 FOR US AS ALDERMAN TO HAVE A $550 TRAVEL.
THAT'S WHAT NO, NOT THE TRAVEL.
YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE SALARY.
SO WE ARE STILL SAVED AS AN ALDERMAN, WE'RE STAYING WITH OUR CURRENT TRAVEL OF $250 A MONTH.
BUT SETTLE, THAT'S NOT WHERE WE GET THOUGH.
HUH? WE DON'T GET A TRAVEL STIPEND ANYMORE.
I KNOW IT'S ALL INCLUDED IN THAT $11,098.
SO WE'RE TALKING $13,718 AND 38, CORRECT? YES.
IS THAT WHAT YOU, YOUR SECOND OF THE MOTION? UM, BRENDA, WELL BRENDA, UM, LOOKING AT CRAVEN COUNTY NOW THAT TH AT THE BOTTOM AT 13 7 18, IS THAT INCLUDED AT FIVE 50? IT DOES NOT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I WAS READING THIS RIGHT.
SO THAT'S AN INCREASE FROM THE 11,098 TO 13,007 18,
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CORRECT? IS THAT WHAT THE MOTION IS? YES, MA'AM.SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? LET HAVE A ROLL CALL STARTING WITH ALDERMAN ROYAL.
YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME WHEN ALDERMAN PRI GETS BACK IF YOU WANT TO BRING THIS BACK UP.
UH, WE'LL HAVE TIME, I'M SURE BETWEEN NOW AND THEN WE, WE'VE GOT THE BUDGET PRESENTATION NEXT WEEK.
YOU DO THAT AT THAT TIME ALSO.
UM, ALSO I WOULD THINK THAT, YOU KNOW,
SO I MEAN, THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED FOR THE MAYOR AS WELL.
PAGE 83, EMERGENCY 9 1 1 SUPPORT.
WHAT PAGE WAS THAT, SIR? PAGE 83.
THE BUDGET FOR THIS IS $105,358.
THIS IS TO COVER A GIS STAFF MEMBER THAT DEALS WITH THE 9 1 1.
SO IT'S BASICALLY THEIR, THEIR ANNUAL SALARY AND, UH, FRINGE BENEFITS.
ON PAGE 85 PARKING, WE CURRENTLY HAVE THREE BUDGETED PART-TIME POSITIONS THAT WORK IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA FOR PARKING CONTROL.
BASED ON THE INFORMATION ON THE, ON THE CHART IN 2022, 1,394, WARNING TICKETS WERE ISSUED.
315 CITATIONS WERE ISSUED, AND 1079 TICKETS WERE PAID.
RECOMMENDED BUDGET FOR PARKING IS $41,910.
AND AGAIN, THAT COVERS THREE PART-TIME EMPLOYEES, EQUIPMENT AND SUPPLIES.
AND THIS DOES NOT SHOW THE, UM, HOW MUCH SWISS FAR PAYS.
THIS, UH, THE MSD, I MEANT THE MSD.
THIS IS JUST WHAT WE ARE BUDGETING FOR.
SO THERE'S LIKE A, A CERTAIN AMOUNT ABOVE THAT, THE CMSD MONEY AS WELL, RIGHT? THAT, WELL, NO, THAT, THAT'S THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF THE BUDGET.
THE MSG FUND APPROXIMATELY 30, $34,000 OF THAT SUM.
SO WHERE IS THAT IN HERE, WHERE IS THAT SHOWING AT? THE REVENUE? THE REVENUE AND GENERAL FUND? WELL, FOR THE PARKING ATTENDANCE, THE GENERAL FUND REVENUE NUMBER, SO THIS $41,000 IS OFFSET BY AN MS D PAYMENT OF 30 34,000.
AND THEN WHERE DOES THE ADDITIONAL REVENUE GO FROM THE PARKING TICKETS? PARKING TICKETS DOWNTOWN GO INTO THE MSD.
WELL, I THOUGHT THAT HAD, SO THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURE FOR PARKING AT ALL.
SO THIS IS OTHER SALARIES, REVENUE OF OUR PARKING.
THAT, THAT'S, THAT DIFFERENCE DOES COME OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND.
34,000 IS THE ONLY THING THAT IS, THAT IS ALLOCATED FROM THE MSD.
SO I APOLOGIZE THAT ALDERMAN PR IS NOT HERE FOR THIS DISCUSSION, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THE GENERAL FUND SHOULD BE SUBSIDIZING THIS WHEN THE PROFIT ESSENTIALLY IS GOING TO MSD.
SO THE MSD NEEDS TO PAY FOR ALL OF THIS EXPENSE IF THEY'RE GOING TO RECOUP ALL THE PROFIT.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES, IT DOES SENSE.
SO WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT EVER GOT UPSIDE DOWN ANYWAY.
CAUSE I THOUGHT ALL THE, ALL ALONG MSD WAS PAYING FOR IT.
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YOU'LL SEE THE TRANSFER FROM OTHER FUNDS.THAT'S WHERE THE REVENUE'S COMING IN FROM MS DUE TO THE GENERAL FUND.
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, PAGE 33, 33 FOR THE REVENUE GENERAL FUND REVENUE.
CAN YOU SAY THAT AGAIN PLEASE? SURE.
IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, THE THIRD ONE FROM THE BOTTOM, IT SAYS TRANSFER FROM OTHER FUNDS.
COMING IN FOR MY, DOES SOUTHERN BOARD HAVE THOUGHTS ON THAT? WHAT'S THE TOTAL COST AGAIN? 46 86.
SO AN MSD ALL REVENUE FOR PARKING LEASES AND PD, UM, RECEIVES ALL THE PARKING FINES FOR CLARIFICATION.
AND THEN M S D COLLECTS $30,000 IN PARKING TICKETS.
I THINK SHE JUST CLARIFIED, I THINK THE POLICE DEPARTMENT GETTING SOME OF THAT REVENUE.
GETTING CLARIFICATION FOR YOU.
I THOUGHT I HAD GO TO THE SCHOOL BOARD.
IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE WITH THAT ONE? SO INCREASE WOULD BE ANTICIPATED.
SO WITH, OKAY, THAT MAKES SENSE.
SO WITH THE, UM, CHANGES WITH POLL STREET, THE REVENUE INCREASE FOR THEIRS, AND THEY HAVE 60,300 THAT IS ANTICIPATED TO COME IN FOR THE PARKING FEES IN MSD.
AND, AND THEY CORRECTED ME TO CLARIFY ALL PARKING FINES DO GO TOOK PD.
WHICH PARKING FINES OR HOW MUCH? FIVE TAKEN ANNUALLY.
SO YOU LOOK ON PAGE 86 ON THE LINE ITEM UNDER PARKING, FINES, REVENUE.
SO IS THE $30,000 THE POLICE DEPARTMENT COLLECT SHOWED AS A REVENUE IN BUDGET? THAT'S CORRECT.
WELL, OKAY, WELL THAT MEANS, THAT MEANS MSD IS SUBSIDIZING SOME POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO THE MSD PAYS $34,000 TOWARDS OUR PARKING ATTENDANCE.
THE PARKING TICKETS GO TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR THE SAME REASON ESSENTIALLY.
BUT THE REVENUE THAT WE GET FOR PARKING LEASES GOES TO THE MS D AS WELL.
AND WHAT IS THAT AMOUNT? WHY IS THAT THE, THE, IT'S ANTICIPATED $60,000.
CAUSE IT'S WITHIN THE MUNICIPAL SERVICE DISTRICT.
AND WELL, THEY PROBABLY SPENT, THEY BOUGHT, PROBABLY BOUGHT BOUGHT LOTS LOT TOO.
I MEAN THAT'S, IS THAT THE CASE SPONSOR? DID THE MSD PAY FOR MOST OF THESE LOTS WITHOUT GETTING VERIFICATION? LOOKING TO THE HISTORY? MOST LIKELY, SIR.
SO THE ONLY, THE ONLY LOTS THAT WE CHARGE FOR ON THE MSD BECAUSE WE HAVE OTHER LOTS, BUT THEY'RE NOT IN THE MSD.
SO, SO WE'VE, SO WE'VE GOT THE KIOSK PARKING THAT'S GETTING READY TO START ACROSS THE STREET FROM US.
WE'VE GOT THE CRAVEN LOT BESIDE, UM, MORGANS RESTAURANT.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE HANCOCK LOT, WHICH IS BASICALLY BEHIND THE CHELSEA THAT WE'RE CHARGING.
SO WE PROBABLY NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT THE KIOSK AND THE COST AND REVENUE AND WHERE ALL THAT GOES, WHENEVER WE PULL THE TRIGGER ON THAT.
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OKAY.FIRE RESCUE CURRENTLY HAS, HAS THREE STATION ONE'S LOCATED ON BROAD STREET, ONE THURMAN ROAD AND ONE RIGHT OFF OF GLENN BERNIE.
UM, AS WE SEE WEST NEWBURN CONTINUE TO, TO GROW AND EXPAND, THERE ARE PLANS IN THE FUTURE FOR A DEPARTMENT TO GO UP THERE.
UM, IN THIS CURRENT YEAR'S BUDGET, WE HAD SOME FUNDS TO, TO WORK ON A CONCEPT PLAN FOR NEW FIRE DEPARTMENT AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT BACK YET, BUT I BELIEVE WE'LL BE GETTING THAT OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS TO LOOK AT FOR FUTURE OFFICER.
AS YOU FIND OUT WHAT YEAR, I'M SURE THE CHIEF KNOWS THAT WHAT YEAR? THIS? UH, 2002.
THE ONE THAT WE'RE GONNA REFURBISH FOR THREE 50.
SO THE CAPITAL, UH, THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING ARE TO REPLACE TWO MOTORS ON THE 2006 FIRE RESCUE BOAT.
800,000 TO REPLACE A 2006 PUMPER, $350,000 TO REPLACE THE EXISTING RESERVE FIRE ENGINE AND $50,000 TO REPAIR AND PAINT REFURBISHMENT BODY OF A FIRE ENGINE.
ALRIGHT, LET'S TALK, LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS REFURBISHED JOB THAT WE'RE DOING.
WE GOT A 2122 YEAR OLD FIRE TRUCK.
BE 23 YEARS OLD BEFORE THEY GET IT REFURBISHED.
I MEAN, IS IT WORTH US SPENDING $350,000 AND REFURBING IT? OR IS ARE WE BETTER OFF GETTING PURCHASING A BRAND NEW TRUCK? NOW YOU'RE GONNA SPEND THE OVER A THIRD OF THE COST OF IT TO REFURBISH IT AND WHO KNOWS HOW MANY YEARS YOU'LL GET OUT OF IT.
THE ENGINES, YOU'RE NOT PUTTING A NEW ENGINE IN IT.
IS THAT CORRECT CHIEF? THAT'S CORRECT.
YOU'RE NOT PUTTING A NEW PUMP IN IT, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S A REBUILT BLOCK.
IT'S GONNA BE REBUILDING THE FARM.
WHAT ABOUT THE DRIVE TRAINING AND STUFF? IS IT THE MOTOR DRIVE TRAINING AND CHASSIS OF THE SAME TRUCK? EVERYTHING ELSE GETS REFURBISHED.
SO MATERIAL HISTORY OF HOW THIS CAME ABOUT ORIGINALLY THAT WAS THE TRUCK WAS TAKEN OUT OF SERVICE AND PUT INTO RESERVE STATUS, UH, CHANGES THAT OCCURRED OUT INTO THE THURMOND ROAD FIRE STATION AREA WITH THE GROWTH DICTATED THE NEED FOR A LADDER SERVICE TRUCK.
SO THE QUENT WE HAD OUT THERE BECAME OUR LADDER SERVICE TRUCK AND WE ENDED UP PUTTING THAT TRUCK IN SERVICE AS A FIRST DUE.
SO NOW WE RUN TWO APPARATUS OUT THAT STATION AND CAUSE OF THAT IT IS, WE'RE RUNNING 2002 AS THE FIRST OUT.
AND ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT THE INDUSTRY IS FINDING ON NEW APPARATUS IS, I MEAN, I'VE GOT $800,000 IN THE BUDGET, BUT BY THE TIME THIS IS ALL SAID AND DONE, IT COULD BE $900,000.
A TWO TO FOUR YEAR WINDOW OF, OF EVEN GETTING A RIG HERE.
AND WHAT, WHAT I'M SEEING IN THE INDUSTRY A LITTLE BIT IS, UH, THEY ARE GETTING USED TO BE A REFURBISHED, NOT A THING BECAUSE IT WAS AFTER WHAT CHIEF PASTOR WAS SAYING, I WOULD'VE BEEN ASKED, EXCUSE ME, AND YOU BE MY BOSS FOR A LONG TIME.
SO A LOT OF THE, YOU'RE FINDING A LOT OF THE INDUSTRY ARE, ARE GOING DOWN THIS DIRECTION.
YES, YOU ARE TAKING A GAMBLE, YOU ARE TAKING A 2002 DRIVE TRAIN ENGINE AND TAKING A RISK ON IT, BUT YOU'RE IN A $350,000 IS PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT OF AN INFLATED COST.
CAUSE AGAIN, WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THIS BALL LANDED BY THE TIME BUDGET COMES ABOUT MM-HMM.
SO, AND TYPICALLY ON A REFURB, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A, UM, WINDOW OF EIGHT TO 12 MONTHS COMPARED TWO TO FOUR YEARS.
UH, IF TRYING TO BE A GOOD STEWARD HERE, BUT I'M, I'M, I DO AGREE WITH NASTER IS IT IS A FINE LINE THERE.
AND DO WE WANNA SPEND EIGHT, $900,000 ON A NEW TRUCK THAT'S GOING TO TAKE US TWO TO FOUR YEARS TO GET HERE? ULTIMATELY IF I HAD A CHECKBOOK THAT I COULD PULL OUT, PAY AND BOBBY BOY PAY FOR IT.
HOW MANY HOURS DOES THIS TRUCK HAVE ON? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? I, I'D BE GUESSING TO TELL YOU, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S GOT LITTLE OR LESS THAN A HUNDRED THOUSAND MILES ON IT.
I DO KNOW THAT, BUT I, I WOULD GUESS PROBABLY SOMEWHERE AROUND 8,000.
WELL, A HUNDRED THOUSAND MILES ON FIRETRUCK'S.
IT'S AND 8,000 HOURS PROBABLY NEAR CLOSE MILES.
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CHIEF, UH, I THINK I REMEMBER WHEN WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE NEW APARTMENTS THAT'S GOING UP IN CRAVE 30 OR WEST NEWBURN, THE NEED THEN TO HAVE A LADDER CAUSE OF THE MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE HEIGHTS.THERE'S A LOT OF APARTMENTS THAT'S GOING UP IN CAROLINA COLORS.
IS THERE A NEED TO HAVE A DIFFERENT TYPE APPARATUS? NO.
AT THURMAN ROAD, THE, THE QUENT THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE OR SUFFICE FOR THE, AND THAT'S THE REASON I CHOSE TO DO THAT FOR THAT EXACT REASON.
BECAUSE I, I, I SAW WRITING ON THE WALL.
I SAW THE GROWTH OUT THERE AND TRYING TO BE AHEAD OF WHAT DOI I DIDN'T WANT THEM TO COME IN, BUT THEY CAN POP IN TOMORROW AND DO AN INSPECTION ON THIS.
SO I'M TRYING TO BE A LITTLE PROACTIVE AND GO AHEAD AND CHANGING THAT TRUCK TO BE A 100% TRUCK.
AND IS THAT THE ONE THAT'S GIVEN US A LOT OF THAT'S AND THAT'S UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S THE ONE WE'RE GONNA BE REPLACING.
SO WE'RE GOING PROBABLY HAVE TO LOOK AT THE OTHER QUINT THAT WE HAVE NOW AND MOVE IT OUT THERE.
BUT I MEAN THIS IS A EVOLVING EVERYDAY THING BECAUSE THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN WITH THE WEST NEWBURN AREA, IT'S NOT GOING, WE DID SOME STATISTICS THE OTHER DAY AND IT'S NOT GONNA BE LONG BEFORE THAT AREA OF THE TOWN'S GONNA BE REQUIRING A TRUCK COMPANY ALSO.
SO IS A QUINT, YOU HAD TO REMIND ME, IS A QUINT A BRAND OR IS THAT THE TYPE OF TRUCK? THINK ABOUT AQUIN IS A, UH, KIND OF A IN BETWEEN.
IT CAN BE GRADED AS AN ENGINE COMPANY IF THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE ON ONE, IT'S ELIZABETH RIGHT NOW.
WE GRADED OUT AS AS A BUT AQUIN AQUIN IS A, A LADDER BUMPER AND A LADDER TOGETHER.
IS MY QUESTION IS, IS QUINT THE ACTUAL BRAND OF THE TRUCK? NO, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT A QUIN IS.
YOU SAY TAKING OF AN ENGINE AND A LADDER AND PUTTING EM INTO ONE.
SO THE REASON I WAS ASKING THAT IS IF WE'RE GONNA GET A NEW ONE, DO WE NEED TO GET A DIFFERENT BRAND? AND THE LAST ONE WE GOT SINCE IT'S HAD SO MUCH TROUBLE, BUT ME CORRECT YOU ON THAT FIRST.
THE TROUBLE IS NOT DUE TO THE BRAND, BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT OTHER BRANDS.
THE TIE THAT WE HAD BEFORE WITH SUING IS NO LONGER THERE.
WE HAD A REALLY GOOD TIE WHERE WE HAD ALL THESE TRUCKS WE HAD, WE COULD CALL THE PRESIDENT OF THE COMPANY IF WE HAD AN ISSUE.
I'VE ALREADY TOLD THE SPEC CREW WE'RE GOING TO OPEN UP TO EVERYTHING.
UH, BUT THAT PARTICULAR TRUCK WAS THE ONE THAT WAS FLOODED.
THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HAVING SO MUCH PROBLEM.
WE SPENT PROBABLY CLOSE TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, WHICH THE INSURANCE PAID FOR AFTER THE FLOODING.
AND WE HAVE PROBABLY SPENT CLOSE TO THAT ON THAT TRUCK SINCE WE JUST RECENTLY SPENT BACK.
IT WAS OUTTA SERVICE THREE OR FOUR MONTHS.
ABOUT $45,000 IN IT BACK IN THE SHOP AGAIN THIS WEEK.
SO I GUESS IF WE, IF WE REFURB IT, THAT'S GONNA BE PAID FOR.
THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THE ONE WE'RE GONNA REFURB.
WELL THE THE OTHER ONE THAT WE'RE GONNA REFURB, THAT'S IF, IF WE REFURB IT, IT'S GONNA BE PAID FOR IN THIS UPCOMING BUDGET THAT WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW.
IF YOU ORDER A NEW ONE, IT'S GONNA BE PAID FOR IN PROBABLY TWO BUDGET CYCLES FROM NOW.
IS THAT FAIR? THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S FAIR TO SAY.
BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO ENCUMBER IT.
AS SOON AS YOU ORDER IT, YOU HAVE TO ENCUMBER THE FUNDS.
I I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION WE HAD TO PAY FOR IT A TIME OF ORDER.
YOU CAN'T, AND YOU DON'T HAVE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO, BUT YOU TYPICALLY GET A QUITE OF A BIT OF DISCOUNT.
IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE BOUGHT THE TOWER AND THE ENGINE PASSED, WE DID THAT BECAUSE WE GOT ON THOSE $200,000 OFF OF THE COST.
BUT SOME, NOW BECAUSE OF THE SHORTAGE, A LOT OF, UM, OUR CAPITAL HAS HAD TO EITHER LIKE LARGE CAPITAL LIKE THAT, WE'VE EITHER HAD TO PAY A LIKE 50% OR PAY IT UP FRONT.
WHAT'S THE COST OF A NO TRUCK? RIGHT NOW'S $800,000 NOW.
OR AN ENGINE OR AN ENGINE QUES ABOUT 1.2 MILLION.
NOW THE BEST, WHEN YOU SAY ENGINE $800,000 FOR AN ENGINE THAT'S JUST WITHOUT THE LADDER? IT'S, WELL, IT'S GOT LADDERS, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT GOT THE EXTENDED LADDER THAT YOU SEE RAISE UP IN THE AIR AND MOVE AROUND.
AND THAT'S, SO THAT WOULD BE THE IN BETWEEN SIZE TRUCK.
THAT'S THE QUIMP THAT YOU SEE THAT LIKE WHEN YOU GO BY ELIZABETH AVENUE, THE TRUCK YOU SEE WITH THE LADDER THAT CAN RAISE UP OFF THE BACK.
THE ONE THAT YOU SEE AT OUR HEADQUARTERS STATION THAT HAS A BUCKET.
SO THAT'S THE TOP LINE? THAT'S CORRECT.
75 FOOT AT THE QUINT TYPICALLY FAR RIGHT.
AND THE ENGINE IS JUST A PUMPER.
SO WITH, WITH THE ONE YOU WANTED TO REFURBISH HERE, THAT IS GOING TO BE LOCATED AT WHERE RIGHT NOW IT'S AT THURMAN ROAD FIRE STATION.
SO THAT'LL BE GOING BACK TO THURMAN? YES MA'AM.
WHAT IS AT THURMAN NOW? YES MA'AM.
SO MY, MY ONLY CONCERN HERE IS THAT WITH THE WEST NEWBURN, WELL WHERE IS THE FIRETRUCK PLAY IN AT THAT? AND I KNOW THEY COME
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FROM ELIZABETH AVENUE, BUT WE DONE DISCUSSED THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN.YOU HAVE CHIEF WITH US ABOUT THE TIME FRAME OF, UH,
SO WHEN IS IT GONNA COME IN PLAY FOR A NEW ENGINE TO FIRE? YOU CAN DO IT ONE OR TWO DIFFERENT WAYS ON MY BEST.
CAUSE IT'S ABOUT THE SAME TIMEFRAME.
YOU CAN SAY IF WE'RE BUILDING THE FIRE STATION, WE'RE GONNA ORDER A TRUCK OR YOU CAN TAKE ONE OF THE REFURBS AND MOVE IT OUT THERE AND THEN MOVE ONE RESERVES INTO A, A LOWER RUNNING FIRE STATION.
BUT TYPICALLY WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST DOING, MY RECOMMENDATION IS THE DATE THAT WE SAY YES, WE'RE READY TO BUILD THIS FIRE STATION.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND ORDER A TRUCK FROM, THE TIMEFRAME IS GONNA BE ABOUT THE SAME TIMEFRAME, TWO TO 40 YEARS, PROBABLY TWO, THREE YEARS.
SO THE ONE YOU WERE GONNA REFER, IF WE BUILD A NEW FIRE STATION, IF YOU REPLACE THAT, COULD THAT BE USED AT THE NEW FIRE STATION? IF IT WAS A NEW ONE? THAT WAS MY ORIGINAL INTENT THERE.
BUT NOW WITH THE GROWTH THAT'S OCCURRED OUT THERE, I NO LONGER HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY.
I HAVE STILL HAVE MY RESERVE, BUT I'VE GOT A RESERVE AND SERVICE TODAY AT ELIZABETH STATE AVENUE FIRE STATION.
UM, THAT WAS MY ORIGINAL WHEN I PUT IT INTO CAPITAL PLANS LAST YEAR AND THIS YEAR, THAT WAS MY ORIGINAL TEMP AT THINGS AND KIND OF CHANGED AND MORPHED INTO WHAT THE NEED OF IT BEING A FIRST OUT.
SO, SO WHAT IS IT? I MEAN, WHAT'S THE DELAY ON, I KNOW THE LAST THING WHAT WAS UM, WE TALKED ABOUT FOR IS A FIRE STAR'S STATION ON THE WEST END WAS, UH, ACQUISITION OF PROPERTY FROM WAREHOUSING.
HAS THAT BEEN RESOLVED? I MEAN HAS WASN'T THAT THE, WE HAVE TO GET YES MA'AM.
WE'VE ACTUALLY, AS THE MANAGER WAS SAYING, WE'VE, WE'RE IN, WE'RE IN THE FINAL STAGES OF CONCEPTUAL DRAWING.
WE'VE BEEN MEETING WITH THAT AND WE'RE REALLY CLOSE TO THAT.
AND I JUST, GEORGE'S BEEN HANDLING A LOT OF THAT FOR ME.
CAUSE IT TIES IN WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
THE WATER TANK NEEDS TO BE GOING ON THE SAME PROPERTY.
AND SO LAST I HEARD THEY, THEY WERE GETTING REALLY CLOSE.
THEY'RE READY TO START MAKING SOME MOVES AND SOME OF THIS STUFF.
SO YEAH, I THINK YOU'LL SEE THAT EXCHANGE OF THE PROPERTY BEING PUT INTO OUR NAME OR MOVED INTO OUR, UH, POSSESSION HERE SHORTLY.
I ACTUALLY WALKED THE OTHER DAY WITH THE ARCHITECT AND THAT'S A NICE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
SO THEN IT'S LEFT UP TO THIS BOARDS FOR US TO SAY, YES, GO AHEAD AND LET'S BUILD A FIRE STATION OUT THERE.
SO NOT AT THIS TIME, BUT WHEN THAT TIME COMES, WE HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION WE WE'LL BE COMING TO.
I'M JUST SAYING IT'S UP TO THIS BOARD, BUT SO WHAT, WHAT TIME FACTOR ARE YOU SPEAKING OF, OF UM, UM, MR. HUGHES? UM, WE'LL PROBABLY BE DISCUSSING THIS WITHIN THE YEAR.
WHICH WILL BE IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET.
WELL, NO, I THINK IT, FOR THIS IT WOULD BE, UH, THINK THIS.
IT WOULD NOT BE INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET.
IT WOULD BE, IF IT IS, IT WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT AT THAT TIME.
UM, AND WE WOULD OF COURSE IF WE BUILT SOMETHING THAT WE GO THE LOAN PROCESS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE STAND WHITE RECREATION CENTER.
SO IT WOULD BE A, SO REALLY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT YEARS HERE, TWO TO FIVE YEARS BEFORE WE GET A NEW FIRE STATION ON THAT WEST END.
43 CONNECTOR'S NOT SCHEDULED TO BE DONE UNTIL WHAT? 25 45? THAT'S RIGHT.
SO IT, A LOT OF THAT COULD BE COMING INTO PLAY ALL, ALL ABOUT THE SAME TIME.
UH, A YEAR AND A HALF, TWO YEAR CONSTRUCTION TIME OR ON THE SIDE DEPEND ON THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING.
IT'LL TAKE A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF TO BUILD IT DEPEND ON THE SIZE BECAUSE IT'S BASICALLY METAL FRAME BUILDINGS IS OKAY.
WELL AS FAR AS I I'VE, I'VE ALWAYS BEEN SUPPORTIVE OF INVESTING IN CAPITAL EQUIPMENT CAUSE IT'S A ONE TIME THING AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE AGING FLEET FOR YEARS.
PERSONALLY, I EVEN IF IT'S NOT THREE 50, IF IT'S 300,000, YOU'RE PUTTING $300,000 IN A 20 YEAR OLD PLUS PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT YOU HAVE NO UNKNOWNS ABOUT.
I THINK THE ONLY ADVANTAGE IT SOUNDS LIKE IS THE SPEED YOU GET THIS ONE REFURB BACK IN USE IN 12 MONTHS AND IT'S GONNA BE TWO YEARS WHERE YOU GET A NEW ONE.
BUT MY, MY VOTE WOULD BE FOR A NEW ONE AND NOT SPENDING 300 SOME THOUSAND DOLLARS ON A OLD ONE.
AND AGAIN, MAYOR, I APPRECIATE THAT.
I, I THINK JUST THE STEWARD SIDE OF ME WAS TRYING TO LOOK AT TIMEWISE AND EVERYTHING, BUT I I APPRECIATE THAT SUPPORT.
SO, SO CHIEF, I MEAN REALLY, UM,
UM, WHY, WHY DID YOU COME ABOUT WITH WANTING TO REFURBISH? I I'M SORRY.
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I THOUGHT THAT COULD, ALL I COULD HEAR WAS THAT MACHINE RUNNING OUT THERE.SO YOU WANTED TO REFURBISH THIS IN THIS ENGINE.
SO WHAT MADE YOU DECIDE TO DO THAT INSTEAD OF RECOMMENDING BUYING A NEW TRUCK? BECAUSE YOU FELT LIKE, LIKE I WAS EXPLAINING TO THE MAYOR THE FACTORS THAT ON SIDE OF ME WAS CAUSED IN TIMEFRAME.
UH, AND LIKE I SAID, IF I HAD AN OPEN CHECKBOOK, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE BUYING NEW TRUCK.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT THE, THE BIG PICTURE OF THINGS AND, AND, AND IT, IT IS WHERE THE INDUSTRY'S GOING.
BUT YOU ARE TAKING A GAMBLE AND YOU CAN BLOW THE ENGINE AND THEN SPEND 50 ROUND PUT A NEW ENGINE IN.
UH, SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT $450,000 MORE TO BUY A NEW ENGINE.
WE'RE GONNA ABOUT, LIKE I SAID, ABOUT $800,000 RIGHT NOW.
ONLY THING I'M CONCERNED WITH HERE IS AS LONG AS WE HAVE AN ENGINE THAT IS GOING TO BE IN SERVICE, IT'S GOING BE READY WHEN WE HAVE CALLS OUT OUT ON WEST END OF NEW BURNS THAT WE GOTTA SERVICE THOSE CITIZENS OUT THERE.
AND I KNOW WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FIRE STATION AND THIS FIRE STATION AND ALL OF THIS AND IT'S, IT'S, I THINK IT'S TIME FOR US TO, YOU KNOW, TO JUST KICK QUIT KICKING A CAN DOWN THE ROAD AND DO SOMETHING WITH THIS FIRE STATION OUT THERE.
BECAUSE I, WHEN YOU COME BEFORE US BEFORE AND GAVE US YOUR PRESENTATION AND YOU, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDED WE, THE GROWTH OUT THERE ON THE WEST END AND THE SERVICE TIME IT TAKES FOR THAT ENGINE TO GET THERE.
SUPPOSE YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT FIRES THAT COME IN, TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS OUT THERE AT THE SAME TIME.
YOU KNOW, I, I'M JUST, IT'S HAPPENING MORE AND MORE EVERY WEEK.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT BUILDING A FIRE STATION OUT THAT WAY SINCE THE UNFORTUNATE DAY THAT THEY WERE DOING A TOUR OF THE, UM, WATER PLANT, WATER TREATMENT PLANT, WATER TREATMENT PLANT.
AND WE HAD AN EMPLOYEE TO HAVE A HEART ATTACK AND DIE ON THE FLOOR BECAUSE IT WAS TAKEN 20 MINUTES FOR A RESCUE VEHICLE TO GET THERE.
AND FROM THAT DAY FORWARD, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WE HAVE TO BUILD A FIRE STATION OUT THERE.
WE HAVE TO BUILD A FIRE STATION OUT THERE.
AND THAT'S THE ONLY THING WE DO IS TALK ABOUT IT.
EVEN TALKED ABOUT, UH, A, A TEMPORARY FIRE STATION OUT THERE ABOUT YEAH.
WITH THE WATER TREATMENT PLAN AND YOU KNOW, AND THE CHIEF STANDS UP HERE AND GIVES US THESE RECOMMENDATIONS AND TELLS US WHAT WE NEED FOR OUR CITIZENS AND THEN WE JUST OVERLOOK IT AND MOVE ON TO SOMETHING ELSE.
AND ME PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT, AND I KNOW IT'S A TIME FACTOR, SIR, YOU GOTTA GET ALL THE, EVERYTHING IN LINE.
YOU GOT TO GET THE LAND, YOU GOT TO GET EVERYTHING WORKED OUT FOR US BUILDING THIS FIRE STATION ON THE PROPERTY.
BUT I SEE YOU CAN TAKE $350,000 REFURBS THIS ENGINE, TAKE SOME OTHER MONIES AND MOVE IT SOMEWHERE SO WE CAN MOVE ON WITH BUILDING THIS FIRE STATION DOWN NEXT YEAR BUDGET, BUILD A NEW, BUY A NEW TRUCK, $350,000 TO ME AS OPPOSED TO 800,000 FOR A NEW TRUCK.
AND THEN YOU GOT TO TURN AROUND AND YOU GOTTA SPEND MONEY TO BUILD A FIRE STATION.
WELL THAT'S, WELL WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING IN THIS, LIKE YOU SAID, KEEP ON TALKING ABOUT IT AND TALKING ABOUT IT AND, AND WE GOT CITIZENS AND THAT THEIR AREA IS GROWING, GROWING ALL.
MCKENZIE CHIEF, HAVE YOU, UM, CONSIDERED SPEAKING WITH, UH, EDDIE ABOUT THAT LITTLE SATELLITE LITTLE, UH, BUILDING THAT HE HAS OUT THERE IN THAT AREA? I DON'T KNOW.
THAT'S WEST BURG'S FIRE STATION.
AND NUMBER ONE, IT'S NOT LARGE ENOUGH FOR US.
CAUSE NOT ONLY THERE IS NO FACILITIES, THERE'S NO PLACE TO SLEEP, NO PLACE TO, YEAH.
HAVE SHOWERS, KITCHEN AND THINGS.
AND LOCATION WISE, IT'S A WHOLE LOT BETTER TO BE OUT THERE.
IF WE WERE GONNA DO SOMETHING TEMPORARY SOMEWHERE RIGHT AROUND THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT WOULD BE A BETTER PLACE TO PUT IT.
I WAS JUST, I'VE SEEN THAT BUILDING, BUT I NEVER ACTUALLY, UH, VISITED NUMBER ONE.
WE'D HAVE TO SHARE IT WITH THEM AND IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST NOT LARGE.
E EVEN THE LOT, I MEAN IT'S ONLY LIKE 10 FOOT ON EACH SIDE OF THE, THE BUILDING.
IT'S REALLY NOT LARGE ENOUGH TO DO, DO.
SO WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO ABOUT THIS FIRE TRUCK? SO CHIEF, YOU THINK, HOW MANY, YOU KNOW, YOU SAID IT HAD, UM, LESS, ALMOST A HUNDRED THOUSAND MILES ON IT AND THEN YOU OF COURSE YOU'RE WITH THE HOURS.
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YOU THINK IT'S FEASIBLE TO REFURBISH THIS TRUCK AND USE IT UNTIL THE TRUCK'S TRUCK'S USABLE RIGHT NOW.OR THE BEST, IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S OUTTA SERVICE.
I WAS THINKING IT WAS, OH, OKAY.
IT'S, IT'S BEING UTILIZED NOW.
I'M TRYING TO EXTEND THE USE OF THAT.
GIVE US ANOTHER 10 YEARS FOR THAT, THAT APPARATUS OKAY.
IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO WITH REFURB.
AND LIKE I SAID, IF, IF, IF THE FIRST CHOICE WOULD BE YOU PUT, PUT ANOTHER ENGINE IN PLACE, AS YOU SEE, WE'RE CONSTANTLY HAVING 'EM DOWN AND WE'RE TEMPING ON 2002, BUT TRYING TO BE A GOOD STEWARD AND TRYING TO LOOK AT THE THING IN THE TIMEFRAME OF GETTING SOMETHING BACK, WE DOUBT WE CAN RELY ON FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
WHAT'S MY CHOICE OF GOING WITH THE REFER? OKAY.
WHAT IS THE COST OF THE NEW ENGINE AGAIN? I KNOW YOU SAID THAT, BUT WHAT IS IT AGAIN? ABOUT 800,000 FOR OUR ENGINE.
NOW WHAT DID YOU SAY IS 1.2 MILLION LETTER.
THIS IS HOW THINGS ARE, HOW THINGS HAVE GONE.
OUR, OUR TOWER THAT WE BOUGHT TWO YEARS AGO NOW WAS 1.2 MILLION.
THE QUINT WE BOUGHT LAST TIME WAS EIGHT OR 700.
THE ENGINE THAT WE JUST BOUGHT WAS 575,000.
SO THAT'S HOW THINGS HAVE CHANGED.
WELL MAYBE, MAYBE A GOOD SOLUTION TO THIS WOULD BE LET'S GO ON BIDS, SEE WHAT THE THINGS GONNA COST, SEE WHAT THE DELIVERY DATE IS AND THEN LET'S COMPARE THE TWO PRICES AND SEE, I MEAN, PRICE IS ALL MASTERS.
IF WE, IF WE WERE TO BUY TWO, YOU'RE GONNA GET A BETTER DISCOUNT JUST LIKE WE DID IT LAST TIME.
SO YOU WILL GET A SAVINGS THERE.
AND YOU ALREADY GOT YOUR, YOUR CAPITALS INCLUDING ONE, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
IF YOU, IF YOU PROVE THE ONE THAT'S IN THERE AND THEN YOU MOVE THE ONE FROM BEING A REFURB, THAT WE WILL BE GETTING A DISCOUNT.
AND WOULD YOU SELL? OH YES SIR.
THE ONE THAT YOU'RE REPLACING.
I WOULD NOT PROBABLY SELL THAT ONE.
I WOULD SELL BY THE 93 THAT WE'VE GOT.
SO IF YOU SELL THAT, YOU GET 10,000.
I MEANT I'VE GIVEN UP ON THAT MAYOR.
I MEAN I, I THOUGHT THE TOWER WAS STILL SITTING OUT THERE.
WE WERE GOING TO GET SOMETHING FOR IT.
AND MATTER OF FACT, HAVEN EVEN LOOKED AT THE TRUCK POSSIBLY REFURBED THAT ONE BECAUSE EVERYTHING'S SO CRAZY AND IT'S, IT'S WORTH MORE METAL THAN WHAT WE'VE BEEN OFFERED FOR.
YOU CAN TAKE THE SCRAPYARD, GET MORE FOR IT.
UNFORTUNATELY IT'S JUST, BUT YOU DON'T GET A LOT FROM 'EM AND VOLUNTEER DEPARTMENTS ARE THE ONES THAT UTILIZE THAT KIND OF THING AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING MOST OF THE TIME TO BE ABLE TO BUY IT.
AND WOULD THE FIRE ACT GRANTS? THEY'RE GETTING NEW ONES.
I'D SAY FIVE GRAND IF YOU WERE, IF YOU, IF I WAS TO GUESS PROBABLY BE A NUMBER.
SO I GUESS IT KIND OF BEGS THE QUESTION FOR ME.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A NEW FIRE STATION IN WEST NEWBURN.
WHAT ARE YOU OR WE NEEDING TO PURCHASE TO OUTFIT WHAT WE SHOULD PUT AT WEST NEWBURN? AND THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT THE APPARATUS WOULD NEED TO BE AT THE SAME TIME.
IF Y'ALL, IF YOU TODAY SAID, HEY CHIEF, WE'RE READY TO BUILD YOU A FIRE STATION AT THAT SAME TIME, WE WOULD GO OUT AND BUY A FIRETRUCK.
WELL BUT I MEAN I'VE HEARD YOU SAY THAT, BUT YOU'VE ONLY TALKED ABOUT ONE TRUCK.
I ASSUME IT'S GONNA BE MORE THAN RIGHT NOW THAT'S ALL THAT'S NEEDED.
IT'S GONNA BE SET UP FOR MORE THAN THAT.
CAUSE EVENTUALLY, LIKE I WAS EXPLAINING TO THE MAYOR, EVENTUALLY YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A TRUCK COMPANY OUT THERE ALSO.
I, I GUESS I MADE THE ASSUMPTION THERE WAS GONNA BE MORE, BUT, AND SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COST OF A BUILDING WOULD BE SINCE THEY'RE DOING THEIR CONCEPT PLAN RIGHT NOW.
BUT THEN WE'VE GOT EQUIPMENT AND SUPPLIES.
THEY'RE GOING TO THE FIREHOUSE.
DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA? A BALLPARK WITH THAT COULD BE THE UH, OBVIOUSLY IF WE HAVE ANOTHER FIRE STATION THAT'S GONNA BE UH, MORE EMPLOYEES.
SO YOU CAN GIVE AN IDEA ON HOW MANY EMPLOYEES THAT WE'D BE LOOKING AT WITH THAT AS WELL.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PRODUCT LIST OF A MILLION DOLLARS IN PERSONNEL COSTS.
I, I GUESS MY PREFERENCE THEN WOULD BE TO PROBABLY BUY A NEW ONE AND THEN WE'D HAVE IT ON HAND BY ABOUT THE TIME WE'D BE OPEN ANOTHER STATION.
I DON'T WANT NO TROUBLE OUTTA Y'ALL.
NOW WHEN IT COMES TALKING ABOUT BUILDING THIS FIRE, WELL YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET ANY THIS FIRE STATION.
SEE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET ANY TROUBLE OUT ME CUZ WITH THE 43 CONNECTOR, IT'S GONNA BE SERVICE IN MY SIDE OF TOWN.
THAT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A REALLY DIRE, IT ALREADY IS A DIRE NEED.
AND, AND PROBABLY ROCKY RUN TOO WITH, UH, COST.
WE HAD A RECOMMENDATION TO LOOK AT THE BID OR SEE WHAT THE COST IS.
IS THAT THE ROUTE WE ARE TAKING OR DO WE NEED A MOTION? WHERE ARE WE? HMM.
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UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN GET A GOOD COST UNTIL WE PUT TOGETHER THE SPECS OF WHAT WE REALLY NEED.SO IF, IF WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT TOMORROW GETTING THAT, I MEAN I CAN GET A BALLPARK PRICE FOR YOU NOW, BUT TO GET A FIRM PRICE, WE WOULD NEED TO SIT DOWN AND PUT SPECS.
CAUSE WE'VE GOTTA GET A BID ON THAT LOOSE SPECS.
SO THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE NEED TO TAKE.
ONE, ONE OTHER THING TO CONSIDER, KIM, I ASSUME THAT WE WOULD FINANCE A NEW TRUCK AND WE'RE GONNA PAY FOR A REFURB.
I DON'T THINK WE WOULD GO OUT AND GET FINANCING.
SO IF WE, IF WE REFURB THE TRUCK, WE'RE GONNA TAKE MONEY OUT OF THIS BUDGET AND PAY FOR IT AT ONE TIME.
IF WE WERE TO GET A NEW ONE, THEN YOU'RE GONNA FINANCE IT AND PAY FOR IT A LITTLE BIT OVER TIME.
TO ME, THAT'S A, THAT SEALS THE DEAL IN MY OPINION.
SO THE REFURBISHED TRUCK AND GO TO THURMAN ROAD AND THE NEW TRUCK WOULD GO WHERE? THURMAN ROAD? NO, WHERE UNNECESSARILY.
HOW'S THAT? WHAT DICTATES THE NEWER VEHICLE, NEW APPARATUS IS, IS NEED UHHUH REQUIREMENTS.
WHAT, WHAT ARE WE BEING REQUIRED TO RESPOND TO? SO WE TYPICALLY LOOK AT HEADQUARTERS AS OUR NUMBER ONE IN RESPONSE.
CAUSE ELIZABETH IS OUR NUMBER TWO, THURMAN IS OUR NUMBER THREE.
SO BASICALLY WE WOULD START LOOKING AT STATISTICS FOR THAT STATION AND THAT TYPICALLY GIVES YOU WHERE YOU PUT YOUR, YOUR, THE NEWEST APPARATUS WHERE YOU RUNNING THE MOST COST.
SO YOU'RE RECOMMENDED, LIKE YOU SAID, IF YOU HAD I THE POCKETBOOK, I WILL PROMISE YOU DSR MY BEST WHATEVER APPARATUS IN THERE WILL BE A RELIABLE APPARATUS THAT WILL COVER THE AREA LIKE YOU SHOULD.
SO WHAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING, IF YOU HAD THE POCKETBOOK, IF YOU HAD THE CHECKBOOK, YOU WOULD GO AHEAD AND REFURBISH ONE AND BUY A NEW ONE? NO, MA'AM.
I, I, I TEND TO AGREE WITH THE MAYOR AND, AND ALTMAN ASTRA ON THAT, THE BIG PICTURE, IF I, IF I HAD, AGAIN THE OPEN POCKET LIST, I WOULD SAY THAT APPARATUS.
BUT IN THE LONG TERM I AGREE WITH ALTMAN BRENTON TOO.
I MEAN WE'RE, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT FIRE STATION AND WE'RE GONNA KNOW WE'RE GONNA NEED ANOTHER APPARATUS.
WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT, I WAST THINKING ABOUT THE FINANCING VERSUS THE PURCHASE, IT MAKES SENSE TO ME TWO TO BUY TWO APPARATUS AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
I MEAN, MY, TO HIS, TO HIS POINT, MY POINT WAS IF YOU EVEN ORDERED IT TODAY, IT WOULD BE TWO TO FOUR YEARS BEFORE YOU GOT IT.
SO THAT'S WHY WAIT, SO YOU, YOU, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 1.6 MILLION? NO, JUST THE ONE, THE 802 2.
$800,000 FOR ONE AND THEN 350 TO REFER.
SO YOU'RE TALKING, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SWAPPING THE THREE 50 TO REFER FOR ANOTHER $800,000.
OH, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THAT'S WHY I WANT TO GET AN UNDERSTANDABLE
WELL I THOUGHT WE WERE ONLY BUYING ONE.
THAT'S WHY I ASKED HOW MANY WE NEEDED AT WEST NEWBURG.
AND HE SAID ONE MAYBE CAN HELP YOU UNDERSTAND, UM, BRISON, WE'VE GOT ONE AT THURMAN ROAD RIGHT NOW THAT'S GIVING US PROBLEMS. RIGHT.
THAT'S WHERE THE ONE NEW ONE THE REFURB IS, IS IS WILL BE SOMEWHERE ELSE IN, IN THE SYSTEM.
SO IF YOU PUT THAT NEW ONE, THAT ONE WOULD, WOULD BECOME A RESERVE AND THE NEW ONE WOULD GO TAKE THAT.
BO WE GOTTA MOVE THIS THING ALONG.
HOW QUICKLY CAN YOU GET A A BID PROPOSAL TOGETHER? I, I'LL TRY MY HARDEST.
I MEAN, I THINK WE SHOULD, I THINK WE SHOULD GO ON BIDS FOR TWO.
WE'LL SEE WHAT THE PRICES ARE AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
IN THAT BID PROPOSAL, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU GET A PRICE FOR ONE AND THEN A ANOTHER A SECOND PRICE FOR TWO AND SEE WHAT KIND, YOU KNOW, IN CASE WE DECIDE TO GO WITH JUST ONE FOSTER.
YOU OKAY WITH THAT? I'M, I'M FINE WITH THAT.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I HEAR FOR OUR BUDGET PURPOSES, WE'RE LOOKING AT TWO NEW, TWO NEW FIRE ENGINES IN FOR PLACEHOLDER FOR THIS BUDGET, $1.6 MILLION FOR TWO.
OR DO WE WANT TO COME BACK ONCE WE GET THESE PRICES, DO A BUDGET AMENDMENT IN THE NEXT YEAR FOR THE SECOND I'M GIVING WHATEVER, WHATEVER WE AS THE BOARD DECIDE FOR AS THESE VEHICLES ARE CONCERNED.
BECAUSE CHIEF IS TELLING US WE NEED 'EM.
SO WE NEED 'EM, WE GOTTA HAVE 'EM.
SO AFTER WE LOOK AT WHAT MEMORIES YOU BRING BACK TO US AND MOVE ON FROM THERE.
SO AS FAR AS THE BUDGET'S CONCERNED, WHY DON'T YOU JUST USE THE, THE THREE 50 PLUS THE 800
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AS THE PLACEHOLDERS AND KEEP THE BUDGET INSTEAD OF IN INCREASING AMOUNT RIGHT NOW.AND THEN WE'LL JUST DO A BUDGET AMENDMENT.
SO THE REQUESTED, UM, AND RECOMMENDED BUDGET FOR FIRE RESCUE FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR, $9,252,922.
GIVE YOU A SECOND TO SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY, ANY GENERAL QUESTIONS ON ANYTHING WITH THAT? WE TALKED, I THINK WE TALKED AT LENGTH ABOUT THE CAPITAL, WHICH IS THE MAIN PART OF THAT NOW.
ALL RIGHT, IF EVERYONE'S READY, PARKS AND RECREATION STARTS ON PAGE 100.
THOUGHT I HAD MARK SOMETHING HERE.
SO ON PAGE 99 MOTOR VEHICLES 1.2 MILLION FOR FIRE.
WHAT, WHAT IS THAT COVERING? THAT, THAT WAS, THAT WAS ALL THE CAPITAL REQUESTED.
SO THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS $800,000 FIRE TRUCK.
THAT WAS THE $350,000 REFURBISHMENT FOR THAT FIRE TRUCK.
AND $50,000 REFURBISHMENT A PAINT JOB FOR THAT.
THEN ON THE OTHER EQUIPMENT THAT WAS 60,000 FOR THE, UH, BOTH OWNERS.
SO WE'RE PUTTING IT IN THE BUDGET AS A ONE-TIME EXPENDITURE, BUT WE'RE GONNA FINANCE IT.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE THIS BUDGET AND WE'RE GOING TO YOU ALL IN JUST A FEW MINUTES, ARE GONNA RECOMMEND THE TAX RATE INCREASE TO PAY FOR THIS WHEN THAT'S REALLY NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING.
BUT WE CAN MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT AND DO $800,000 IN PROCEEDS FROM, FROM BORROWING.
WE CAN DO THAT AS WELL AND ADD THAT TO REVENUE.
BUT WE'RE, WE'RE CREATING A TAX RATE WITH THIS BUDGET.
WE ALREADY HAVE BUDGETED THE $800,000 MM-HMM.
SO, OR FOR, YOU KNOW, THE CAPITAL THAT WE CAN BORROW THAT'S BUDGETED IN HERE ALREADY IN THE REVENUE.
SO IN THE OVERALL BUDGET DOLLARS, IS THE $800,000 IN THAT OR IS IT SITTING SOMEWHERE FOR MONEY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BORROW? YEAH, I'M SORRY, MAYBE I'M NOT BEING CLEAR.
SO WE'VE, UM, WE'RE, WE'VE ACCOUNTED FOR BORROWING FOR A LOAN FOR THAT CAPITAL.
THE CAPITAL THAT WE CAN BORROW ON.
IT'S ALREADY, THE REVENUE FROM BORROWING IS ALREADY BUDGETED FOR IN HERE.
SO, SO WHAT ALL IN THIS BUDGET FROM A CAPITAL STANDPOINT IS BEING ASSUMED THAT WE'RE GONNA FINANCE.
THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE HELPFUL.
SO IF YOU WERE TO PULL OUT THE CAPITAL, WHICH IS THE BLUE, THE HANDOUT OF THE HANDOUT IN FRONT OF YOUR BOOK.
7.9, INCLUDING ENTERPRISE FORM INCLUDE INCLUDING, UM, PROCEEDS WITH LOAN PURCHASING.
UM, THAT COLUMN YOU'LL SEE THE YES AND NOS.
SO THE ONES THAT WE ARE PLANNING TO BORROW ON OUR MARK.
AND YOU'LL, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A YES.
GENERAL, THAT IS GENERAL FUND CAPITAL.
THE, SO WE'VE GOT ABOUT, UH, 40 MINUTES LEFT IF WE'RE STICKING WITH THREE 30.
PARKS AND RECREATION, PAGE 1 0 2.
PARKS AND RECREATION HAS THREE DIVISIONS, ADMINISTRATION,
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FACILITIES AND PARKS AND GROUNDS.JONES RECOMMENDED CAPITAL INCLUDES $20,000 IN SECURITY CAMERAS IN PARKS, UH, TWO SKID STEER ATTACHMENTS AND $150,000 TOWARD A ESCAPE PARK BILL.
WE HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COUNTY ABOUT PARTNERING ON, ON THIS SKATE PARK AND IN OUR RECENT CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COUNTY, THEY ARE STILL INTERESTED IN THE PARTNERSHIP.
SO IF THAT OCCURS, THE PROPOSED SKATE PARK WOULD BE HELD, UH, WOULD BE, UH, BUILT OVER AT SOUTHWEST PARROT PARK, WHICH IS WHERE WEST NEWLAND RECREATION CENTER IS LOCATED.
SO, AND PARKS AND RECREATION ADMINISTRATION RECOMMENDED BUDGET IS $869,107.
SOME OF THE INCREASES THAT, UM, WE ARE SEEING HERE, TEMPORARY HELP SERVICES, 400% INCREASE, WHICH IS, UH, APPROXIMATELY $12,000 ON TEMPORARY HELP SERVICES, UH, TO GET HELP FOR SPECIAL EVENT ACTIVITIES.
WE, UM, PARKS AND RECREATION STAFF REALLY DOES A LOT OF SPECIAL EVENTS.
SO THAT MEANS THAT A LOT OF THE FULL-TIME STAFF AND PARKS AND GROUNDS AS WELL AS INVOLVED WITH EVENTS SET UP, TEAR DOWN AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THAT STAFF IS LOOKING TO HELP, UH, ALLEVIATE THE PRESSURE ON STAFFING, UH, AND, AND OVERTIME BY GETTING PART-TIME AND TEMPORARY STAFF TO HELP WITH THOSE EVENT SETUPS.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING FOR HOW MANY PEOPLE FOR THAT? I'M SORRY? HOW MANY, UH, EMPLOYEES ARE YOU WANTING TO IT'LL JUST BE TEMPORARY STAFF, SO, UM, THAT WE'RE NOT REQUESTING ANYTHING FOR THAT.
DEPENDING ON THE TIME OF THE YEAR AND THE EVENTS THAT ARE BEING HELD ON PAGE 1 0 5, LET'S SEE HERE.
I'M SORRY, STILL ON PAGE 1 0 4, THERE'S AN INCREASE ON SPECIAL RECREATION ACTIVITIES.
THIS IS THE LINE ITEM THAT WE'RE DOING THE MAJORITY OF SPECIAL EVENTS OUT OF SUCH AS SUMMER CONCERT SERIES, UM, MOVIES IN THE PARK, UH, ANY OTHER EVENTS AND ACTIVITIES THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY'RE HOLDING, THEY'RE PLAYING ON OFFERING SOME MORE.
SO THERE'S AN INCREASE IN THAT.
ARE THOSE, UM, EVENTS WELL ATTENDED? THEY ARE WELL ATTENDED.
OKAY, LET ME GO BACK TO THE SKATE PARK IF YOU WOULD PLEASE.
AND THE COUNTY IS INTERESTED IN PARTNERING.
SO WHAT WOULD BE THEIR PART? $150,000.
I GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU, PFIZER.
UH, LINE ITEM 72 1 30 UNDER PARKS, AN EMPLOYEE IN TRAVEL AND TRAINING.
HERE YOU'VE GOT $10,850 MM-HMM.
THIS IS FOR THAT ONE DIVISION.
SO WE'VE GOTTA ADD UP THE ADMINISTRATIVE FACILITIES AND PARKS AND GROUNDS TO GET UP TO THAT, THAT 20,000 YOU SEE UNDER PARKS AND RECREATION FRONT.
ENTIRE DEPARTMENT VERSUS DIVISION.
IS IT BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY HAD THE, THEY'RE CERTIFIED.
DID THEY HAVE TO ATTEND SOMETHING SPECIAL TRAINING OR SOMETHING? OR $7,000 FOR? SEVERAL HAVE TO MAINTAIN THEIR CERTIFICATIONS.
UH, THERE'S A CERTIFIED PARKS AND RECREATION PROFESSIONAL CERTIFICATION THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN.
AND SO THEY HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TRAINING THEY HAVE TO ATTEND ON A YEARLY BASIS TO MAINTAIN.
THAT ALSO INCLUDES, UM, SOME CONFERENCES AS WELL AS AS TRAINING.
LET'S SEE, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ON PAGE 1 0 5, 20 $500 IS, THAT'S A NEW LINE ITEM.
AND THEY DO A LOT OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
SO THE OFFSET, THE COST OF THAT, THAT CONCESSIONS IN RESALE ARE $20,000 CREDITS WE'RE MAKING.
SO THAT, THAT IS WHAT WE USE TO PAY FOR THE GOODS AND SERVICES THAT WE RESELL.
GREAT EXAMPLE, THE AQUATIC CENTER OR ANY, ANY EVENTS THAT WE SELL CONCESSIONS AT, THAT'S WHERE WE PULL THOSE FUNDS OUT OF TO RESELL.
AND WHERE DO YOU SHOW THE, THE REVENUE FROM THAT? THAT WILL BE, THAT WILL BE ACTUALLY ON THREE, THREE LINE ITEMS UNDER REVENUES.
UM, AND THERE'S THERE 1 0 1 PAGE 1 0 3.
SO YOU'LL SEE, YOU'LL SEE ONE ITEM UNDER HERE.
AND THAT RIGHT NOW 566% INCREASE OF $20,000.
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CONCESSIONS IN RESALE.YOU'LL ALSO SEE THAT THAT IS FACILITIES AS WELL WITH THE AQUATIC CENTER, UM, AND SOME OTHER SPECIAL ACCOUNTS.
SO THAT'S BROKEN OUT OVER A FEW DEPARTMENTS.
UH, UH, I'M MIGHT BE A COMMUTE THAT, IS THAT $20,000 REVENUE? YES, IT IS.
ALL THE, WE, ALL THE REVENUES, THEY'RE ALL IN PARENTHESES.
ALL THE REVENUE IN PARENTHESES ON AN EXPENSE IS GONNA BE A REVENUE.
WELL, WHY DON'T YOU TELL US THAT TO BEGIN WITH? I'M NOT THE ACCOUNTANT.
SO IF IT'S IN PARENTHESES, IT'S A REVENUE.
DID ANYBODY TELL YOU ALL THAT? SORRY? IS THERE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS IN RECREATION ADMINISTRATION? SO, FOSTER, YOU'RE SO, UM, CARRIE, THE, THAT DEPARTMENT IS UP TO STAFF FOR HIS, UM, EMPLOYEE WISE WITH ALL THIS GOING ON WITH THE PARTS AND RECS.
I MEAN, SHE'S FULLY STAFFED AND GOT THE, SHE IS NOT FULLY STAFFED.
I THINK SHE HAS ONE OR TWO POSITIONS THAT THEY ARE, THAT THEY HAVE OUT RIGHT NOW IN, IN ADMINISTRATION OR FACILITIES.
AND THEN IN PARKS AND GROUNDS, THEY MAY HAVE ONE OR TWO POSITIONS THERE AS WELL.
BECAUSE I KNOW THEY DO A LOT WITHIN THAT DEPARTMENT.
AND THAT'S A LOT OF WEEKENDS AND AFTER HOURS.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE PROPOSING TO HAVE THAT 15,000 IN TO TAKE SOME OF THE HEAT OFF THAT FULL-TIME STAFF.
DOESN'T PUBLIC WORK HELP WITH ANY OF THE PUBLIC WORKS DOES HELP WITH, WITH FOLKS AS WELL.
AS FAR AS JUST A QUICK QUESTION.
THESE THIS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT OR THESE FUNDS FOR THESE ACTIVITIES, IS THAT TO ACTUAL LIKE PURCHASE, LIKE GIVEAWAYS OR BRANDED STUFF? THIS IS NOT BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA FOLLOW THE SALARIES IF THEY'RE WORKING RIGHT.
IF THEY'RE WORKING, THEY'RE GONNA GET PAID FOR IT.
THAT IF WE HAVE AN EVENT AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE PAID FOR THAT.
SO THIS IS BASICALLY GIVEAWAYS INFORMATION THAT WE GIVE TO THE PUBLIC.
SO IT COULD BE A TENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT WE'RE, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, JORDAN HAD $10,000 IN HIS WATER FUND YESTERDAY FOR COMMUNITY EVENTS.
THAT'S A LOT OF KNICKKNACKS AND GIVEAWAYS, RIGHT? YES, IT IS.
FOOD FOR THOUGHT WHEN WE GIVE THEM SOME DIRECTION HERE.
WHAT PAGE ARE YOU IN, SIR? OKAY, SO WE'VE GUN 60 10, 60 30 IS PARKS AND GROUNDS RECOMMENDED.
WE'LL SHARE SOME HIGHLIGHTS WITH YOU.
SO IN THE LAST LITERALLY FIVE YEARS, WE HAVE, WE HAVE HAD, I'M TRYING TO FIND THAT LINE ITEM.
UNDER TEMPORARY HEALTH SERVICES, WE'VE HAD APPROXIMATELY $150,000 UNDER, UM, TEMPORARY HEALTH SERVICES.
UM, PARKS AND GROUNDS, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU ALL MAY REALIZE THIS, BUT THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING, UH, RIGHT OF WAYS ON MLK.
THEY MAINTAIN ALL THE CEMETERIES, UH, UM, ALL THE PARKS, UH, ALL OF THE CITY OFFICE SPACE.
SO THEY DO A LOT OF MOWING IN TOWN.
AND SO TRADITIONALLY WE HAVE RELIED ON PART-TIME OR TEMPORARY WORKERS TO, TO FILL THAT BILL OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.
NORMALLY, IF WE ARE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO MAINTAIN TEMP EMPLOYEES THROUGH ONE MOWING OF ONE OF THE CEMETERIES, WE'RE LUCKY.
CAUSE ONCE THEY SEE HOW, HOW DIFFICULT THAT WORK IS, THEY'D RATHER DO SOMETHING ELSE.
SO THAT'S BEEN A CONSTANT STRUGGLE.
SO THIS YEAR, UH, WE HAVE CONTRACTED OUT A LOT OF THOSE THINGS TO, TO MOWING CRUISE.
SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TAKEN, WE'VE BASICALLY SPLIT THAT 150,000 THAT WE NORMALLY PUT IN TEMPORARY, TEMPORARY HEALTH SERVICES.
$75,000 OF THAT IS GOING TO OTHER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES TO, FOR CONTRACTS TO TO, TO MOW THOSE AREAS.
AND THE OTHER 75 WILL SAY, WELL, TEMPORARY HEALTH SERVICES TO TRY TO AT LEAST HAVE FOUR OR FIVE TEMP WORKERS TO HELP ALLEVIATE THE PRESSURE THAT THAT STAFF RECEIVES.
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THAT IS BASICALLY THE, THE MAIN HIGHLIGHT ON PARKS AND GROUNDS, UNLESS YOU SEE ANYTHING THAT STANDS OUT TO YOU.PAGE ONE 10 STARTS THE FINAL DIVISION, THAT'S PARKS AND RECREATION FACILITIES.
AND THAT IS NAMELY THE, UM, THE NEWBURN AQUATIC CENTER, THE PLEASANT HILL COMMUNITY CENTER, WEST NEWBURN RECREATION CENTER.
AND ONCE STANLEY WHITE CENTER IS BUILT, IT WILL INCLUDE STANLEY WHITE RECREATION CENTER.
RECOMMENDED BUDGET FOR THAT IS $1,016,286.
BIGGEST UM, BIGGEST CHANGE WE ARE SEEING IS ON PAGE ONE 13.
ONE 13, THERE ARE TWO LINE ITEMS. ONE THAT SAYS CHEMICALS AND ONE THAT SAYS AQUAS.
AND TRADITIONALLY THAT CHEMICAL LINE ITEM HAS BEEN SPENT ON ALL THINGS AQUATIC RELATED, WHETHER IT'S BEEN, WHETHER IT'S BEEN CHEMICALS OR, OR RING BUOYS OR RESCUE TUBES OR UMBRELLAS OR CHAIRS FOR THE POOL OPERATIONS.
AND THIS YEAR WE'VE CREATED JUST A NEW AQUATICS LINE ITEM TO MAKE IT CLEANER TO WHERE WE KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHERE THOSE FUNDS ARE GOING AND THAT AMOUNT IS $16,000.
ANY QUESTIONS IN PARKS AND RECREATION? OKAY, WE'RE GONNA GO ON TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
SO WE DO HAVE A NEW DIRECTOR IN JESSICA RU, AND SHE HAS BEEN WORKING TO, UM, WORK ON TO REORGANIZE THAT DEPARTMENT TO THE BEST IT CAN BE.
UM, AND AS WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IN IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, THERE IS DEFINITELY A NEED TO, TO REVISIT THE, UH, THE ZONING ORDINANCES.
AND SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING TO REORGANIZE.
UM, AND ONE OF THE THINGS YOU'LL SEE HERE UNDER PAGE 1 1 17 IS OTHER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES $249,000.
THAT IS THE ESTIMATE THAT WE THINK IT WILL COST FOR THE PROJECT TO TAKE ALL OF OUR, OUR CODES, REWRITE THEM TO BE MEANINGFUL, REALISTIC FOR, UH, THE 2020S AND LOOK AT THE BEST PRACTICES THAT OTHER CITIES ARE, ARE USING TO IMPLEMENT THIS.
IT'S GONNA BE A, UH, VERY DETAILED PROJECT AND D GOVERNING BOARD WILL BE INVOLVED.
THE PLANNING, UH, BOARD WILL BE HIGHLY INVOLVED WITH THIS.
AND, UM, SO WE'LL BE COMING TO YOU IF NOT ON A QUARTERLY BASIS THROUGH THIS PROCESS, POSSIBLY A MONTHLY BASIS TO, TO REVIEW AND VISIT CERTAIN ZONING ORDINANCES.
BUT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR, FOR US AS A CITY TO, TO UPDATE OUR, OUR ORDINANCES TO, TO IMPROVE OUR SERVICES.
KIM, A QUESTION WITH THEIR, UH, TRAVEL AND TRAINING.
UM, WHAT WAS IT? COULD YOU GO BACK? YOU USE ON THAT ONE THERE TO SEE WHAT IT WAS THEN, WHAT IT IS NOW.
AND SO WHILE SHE IS DOING THAT, THEIR TRAVELING TRAINING HAS INCREASED.
UH, AND OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, THEY HAVE NOT PROVIDED, THEY'VE PROVIDED MINIMAL TRAINING FOR THEIR BUILDING INSPECTORS.
AND, AND THE DIRECTORS HAS SEEN A NEED TO IMPROVE ON THAT.
THEY WANTED TO DO ADDITIONAL TRAINING FOR THE REST OF THEIR STAFF, ESPECIALLY WITH SUPERVISORY TRAINING TO HELP WITH THEM AS WELL.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE REASON THE INCREASE THAT THAT IS CORRECT.
AND THAT IS THE SINGLE BIGGEST INCREASE BY DEPARTMENT OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DID NOT DO A LOT OF OVERALL TRAINING.
THEY WENT TO A FEW OF THE CONFERENCES, BUT THEY DIDN'T ALLOW ALL THE EMPLOYEES TO, TO GET SOME, SOME KNOWLEDGE.
AND SO WE FELT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT AS MANY OF THOSE EMPLOYEES AS POSSIBLE COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.
SO WE COULD HAVE FOLKS THAT WERE ON TOP OF THEIR GAME DEPARTMENT, BUT, BUT YOU HAVE THAT.
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THAT, KIM.SO, UM, ON PAGE ONE 18, YOU'LL SEE ANOTHER, ANOTHER HIGHLIGHT THAT SERVICE AND MAINTENANCE CONTRACTS.
THIS IS FOR AN UPGRADE FOR THEIR SOFTWARE.
THEY USE INTER GOV, UH, TO STAY ON TOP OF, UM, ISSUES LIKE WHEN, WHEN THEY'RE ISSUING PERMITTING FOR, UM, BUILDING CONSTRUCTION AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THE UPGRADE IS GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE, BUT IT'LL ALSO ALLOW THEM TO STAY ON TOP OF NUISANCE ABATEMENT ISSUES TO WHERE THEY'LL HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION IN ONE DATABASE AS OPPOSED TO HAVING EXCEL SPREADSHEETS ON THREE DIFFERENT COMPUTERS.
I THOUGHT THEY WERE MOVING THE MUNUS.
THIS IS A FORM OF MUNUS, BUT NO, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO MOVE MUNUS.
NOW, UM, I KNOW WE'RE ON A TIMEFRAME MM-HMM.
AND WHILE THEY MAY HAVE TRIED TO IMPLEMENT CERTAIN THINGS, IT HAS NOT WORKED OUT AND IT'S PROVED TO BE MORE DIFFICULT.
SO WHO'S GOING BACK TO MUNIS TO NEGOTIATE THE COSTS THAT WE PAID, ANTICIPATING THAT WE WERE GONNA BE ON MUNIS FOR ALL DEPARTMENTS.
SO WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS WITH MUNIS AND I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T BEEN OUT ON THE LAST ONE THAT YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THAT ANY? UM, NOT SINCE THE PAYROLL.
SO, SO I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE SOMEBODY TO SET UP A MEETING.
IF TWO OTHER ALDERMAN WANT TO JOIN ME, I'D LIKE A MEETING WITH WHOEVER OUR MUNIS REP IS TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION.
CAUSE WE WERE SOLD A BILL OF GOODS AND WE'RE NOT GETTING IT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT? OKAY.
YEAH, THERE WAS A BIG, THAT WAS A GIGANTIC EXPENDITURE THAT THE PREVIOUS BOARD TOOK ON MM-HMM.
AND NOW WE'RE ASKING TO TAKE ON MORE EXPENSE.
THE NEXT DIVISION ON PAGE ONE 20 IS INSPECTIONS.
THAT, THAT PROPOSED BUDGET IS $335,073.
UH, SO THAT TRAVELING TRAINING LIGHT ITEM HAS INCREASED BASED ON WHAT, UH, I STATED EARLIER.
SO THEY WANTED TO FIND SOME MORE UNIFORMS TO WHERE THEY WERE BRANDED AND THEY'RE VISITING THOSE, UH, WORK SITES AND THINGS.
KIM, WHEN WE SEE TELEPHONE SERVICE CHARGES FOR EACH DEPARTMENT, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THAT? IS THAT LIKE CELL PHONE SERVICE FOR DEPARTMENT HEADS? YEAH, THERE'S, UM, IT'S THE VERIZON, I BELIEVE IT'S, THERE'S ALSO THE INTERNET TOO.
VERIZON, WHICH COVERS ALL THE LIKE TABLETS, INTERNET SERVICES FOR WHEN OUT IN THE FIELD OR, SO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH LEE EARLIER, THAT WAS FOR THE WHOLE SYSTEM FOR THE CITY.
THEN EACH DEPARTMENT IS GONNA BE PROBABLY CELL PHONES OR TABLETS.
IF YOU HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS ON DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, PAGE 1 25 FOR GIS CAPITAL REQUEST IS TO REPLACE A VEHICLE IN THE AMOUNT OF $35,000.
THE PROPOSED GIS BUDGET IS $396,685.
THIS BUDGET IS, IS PRETTY MUCH BEEN IN LINE FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS WITH NOT MANY, UH, NOT MANY INCREASES.
AND SO WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE SIDE ARE, ARE HUGE PERCENTAGES INCREASES BASED ON IT BEING MOVED FROM BASICALLY ONE ORG TO ANOTHER.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE MAIN THING YOU'RE SAYING.
BUT IT HAS BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT ON THE OVERALL BUDGET OVER THE YEARS THAT DEPARTMENT HAD, THAT DIVISION HAS TWO EMPLOYEES.
SO YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE THIS, THESE, IT'S LIKE THIS BECAUSE IT MOVED FROM IT BACK TO, TO THAT'S CORRECT.
I I WAS JUST ASKING, THEY'VE NEVER HAD TRAVEL AND TRAINING BEFORE.
NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN, THIS 6,700 OR 66 90,
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HEY, IT'S 4,000 BUDGETED FOR THIS YEAR, BUT IT'S BACK UNDER, UH, UNDER IT.SO FOR, UM, AT THE END OF THE YEAR, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS, UM, JOURNAL THOSE OVER AND SWITCH THAT FUND BACK.
CAUSE WE ONLY HAVE ONE YEAR UNDER IT.
AND THE NEXT YEAR UNDER DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, WE'RE GONNA JUST KIND OF REALIGN IT SO THAT YOU HAVE THAT HISTORY.
THAT'LL BE IN THE FINAL BUDGET AMENDMENT.
SO WE'LL TAKE, UM, PUBLIC WORKS.
IF WE GO TO PAGE ONE 30, THEY'RE REQUESTING $970,000 IN CAPITAL WITH 45,000 FOR THE LIST UPGRADE.
25,000 FOR A TIRE BALANCING MACHINE.
50,000 TO REPLACE TRAFFIC, LIGHT TRAFFIC, I'M SORRY.
REPLACE TRAFFIC SIGNAL CONTROL BOXES AT GEORGE AND BROAD IN OAKS AND SOUTH GLEN BURNIE INTERSECTIONS 350,000 TO REPLACE EXISTING STREET SWEEPER.
20,000 TO REPLACE EXISTING ASPHALT ROLLER.
75,000 FOR THE COMPACT EXCAVATOR.
130,000 TO REPLACE A SELF-CONTAINED, SELF-CONTAINED LEAF COLLECTOR.
25,000 FOR GOOSENECK EQUIPMENT TRAILER AND 250,000 FOR SIDEWALK AND CURB IMPROVEMENTS SINCE I THOUGHT WE JUST BOUGHT A STEAM ROLLER LAST YEAR.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK.
WE HAD, UH, ASPHALT ROLLER IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET.
WE BOUGHT A PAVING MACHINE IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET.
UH, I BELIEVE, BUT THE ROLLER WAS NEW FOR THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.
WELL, MAYBE IT WAS IN THE BUDGET AND THEY JUST DIDN'T BUY IT.
THAT, THAT, THAT COULD HAVE BEEN, UH, CAN YOU GET IT ORDERED BEFORE JUNE 30.
UM, PUBLIC WORKS ADMINISTRATION IS A BUDGET OF $603,956.
IT'S ACTUALLY DECREASED BECAUSE OF SOME OFFSETTING, UM, BUDGETS.
FOR EXAMPLE, ON PAGE 1 32, WE REDUCED THE SM CONTRACTS THAT SAVED THEM 32,500 IN THE AREA.
THEY JUST HADN'T HAD EXPENDITURES.
UM, IN THE PRIOR FISCAL YEARS, WE, UM, SEE THE, UH, 300%, WHICH IS $300 FOR THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
UM, THAT'S AGAIN FOR NEW BERN 1 0 1.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OTHER AREAS THERE WITH SUPPLIES.
AND OF COURSE THE IT EQUIPMENT, THERE'S REDUCTION THERE.
PAGE 1 33 IS THE INSURANCE DIVISION, AND IT'S 1,216,600.
THERE IS AN INCREASE OF 24% IN THE PROPERTY AND EQUIPMENT, AND THEN 9.2% IN THE LIABILITY INSURANCE.
IF YOU'RE GOOD, WE CAN MOVE ON TO PAGE 1 34 FOR THE GARAGE, WHICH IS A BUDGET OF $1,017,970.
YOU'LL SEE AN INCREASE FOR THE VACATION PAYOUT.
UM, THAT HAS, WE HAVE ANTICIPATION OF, UM, HAVING TO PAY THAT OUT NEXT YEAR.
AND, UM, ON EVERYTHING ELSE LOOKS ABOUT THE SAME UNTIL WE GET TO PAGE 1 35.
THE, UM, PUBLIC, IT'S ABOUT HALFWAY DOWN ON THAT FIRST SECTION.
YEAH, R AND M BUILDINGS RESTRICTED.
UM, PUBLIC WORKS HAS REQUESTED TO TURN A STORAGE BUILDING INTO A DIESEL DIESEL MACHINE SHOP, AND THEY'RE ANTICIPATING ON, UM, AN ESTIMATE OF $150,000 IN SAVINGS PER YEAR IF THEY DO THAT.
SO THAT WOULD BE ABOUT $25,000.
AND THEN DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE, THERE'S, UM, THE LAST TWO LINE ITEMS, THE SHOP CHARGES AND THE ALLOCATION FOR THE GENERAL FUND.
THESE TWO LINES ARE TYPICALLY EVEN SHORT UP AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
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WHERE WE CAPTURE COST FOR.UM, SO BASICALLY THE, UH, AT YEAR END IT'S SHORED UP AND THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS ARE BILLED FOR THEIRS THROUGHOUT THE, THROUGHOUT THE YEAR FOR THEIR PROSPECTIVE FAIR SHARE AND, UM, THE, FOR THE ALLOCATION.
AND THEN IT'S ALSO ALLOCATED TO THE GENERAL FUNDS.
SO ALL THAT OFFSETTING IS DONE AND IT'S USUALLY DONE AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
AND WE WENT AHEAD AND JUST ADDED IT THIS YEAR.
UM, THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THAT, UM, INCREASE IN THERE.
WE FELT THAT WOULD BE A BETTER WAY TO HANDLE THAT.
AND THEN, UM, ON PAGE 1 36, THEY HAVE A SMALL INCREASE FOR THE UNIFORMS. WE SEE THE INCREASE OF THE FUEL CHARGES AND, UM, GARAGE SUPPLIES.
THE OTHER EQUIPMENT AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE IS FOR THE LIFT UPGRADE ALIGNMENT.
HAD FOR 45,000 IN THAT TIRE BALANCING MACHINE FOR 25,000.
WE CAN MOVE TO PAGE 1 37 FOR PUBLIC BUILDINGS.
AND THAT BUDGET IS $1,133,199.
UM, ON PAGE 1 38 YOU'LL SEE, UM, AN INCREASE IN TEMPORARY HEALTH SE, TEMPORARY HEALTH SERVICES, HELP SERVICES AND CLEANING SERVICES.
SO KIM, THE CLEANING SERVICE, IS THAT FOR ALL DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE CITY? THAT 1 2500.
I THINK IT'S MOST OF THEM, BUT GEORGE WOULD HAVE TO ALL THE GENERAL FUND ONES AT LEAST.
AND THEN, UM, I THINK WE WOULD BE MOVING TO ONE 41ST STREET.
SO MINE, UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, KIM, I, I'LL SKIP ON, UM, PAGE 1 41 ON STREET LIGHTS.
SO AGAIN, NOT KNOWING WHEN THAT ACTUALLY IS THROUGH, THAT'S STILL, IT SEEMS TO BE A SIGNIFICANT IN INCREASE.
DO WE KNOW WHAT THAT'S FOR? YES.
SO THIS RELATES TO THE CORRECT LAST BOARD MEETING WHEN WE HAD THE, UM, UTILITY BILL CORRECTION AND THEN CHARLIE DID AN ESTIMATE FOR NEXT YEAR FOR US.
AND SO THAT'S ESTIMATED WITH THOSE CHANGES, WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT FOR NEXT YEAR.
THE, UM, CORRECTION HAS HAD 60 LIGHTS ADDED TO PUBLIC WORKS, 60 STREET LIGHTS THAT WERE NOT BEING BUILT TO THE, TO THE CITY.
AND THEN SOME RATE ADJUSTMENTS AND THEN WENT BACK TO JULY 1ST.
UM, AND THAT ADDED APPROXIMATELY $20,000 PER MONTH OKAY.
THAN WHAT WE WERE PAYING BEFORE.
SO WE DO EXPECT TO SEE, UM, YOU EVEN MORE NEXT YEAR AS WELL AS THEY'RE CONTINUING WITH THEIR AUDIT.
I'M CONCERNED WITH STREET RESURFACING.
IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE GETTING BACKWARDS AND BACKWARDS EVERY YEAR FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
ONLY 400 AND SEVERAL YEARS AGO IT WAS ESTIMATED THAT WE NEEDED TO BE SPENDING ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR TO KEEP UP WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT.
SO, SO THE CURRENT YEAR REVISED BUDGET OF THAT $800,000, THAT INCLUDES A WORLD APPEAL FROM THE PRIOR YEAR AS WELL.
UM, I CAN PULL IT UP TO SEE WHAT WE ACTUALLY HAD IN THE ORIGINAL BUDGET.
IT WAS OH, $400,000 IN THE ORIGINAL BUDGET.
WHAT'S OUR REVENUE ON THAT? SHOULD BE IN HERE SOMEWHERE.
ESTIMATES 990,000, BUT WE DON'T HAVE IT OUT QUITE, THEY DON'T HAVE IT OUT YET.
AT PAGE 39 90, HOW MANY WHAT PAGE? 30 30.
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THE REVENUES.AND I DID, UH, WHILE WE'RE AT THAT POINT, I DID FIND THE VIBRATORY ROLLER FOR LAST YEAR.
IT ACTUALLY WAS UNDER PARKS AND RACK.
DIFFERENT TYPE ROLLER, SAME PRICE, BUT WE, AND SAME TIME.
WHAT WAS PAGE 30? WHAT POWER BILL? OKAY, SO NINE NINE.
WE'RE ESTIMATED TO GET NINE 90 AND WE'RE SPENDING 400.
GEORGE CAN EXPENSIVE GEORGE, YOU GETTING THIS MONEY, BUT BEFORE HE STARTS, I DO WANNA SAY THAT ANYTIME THAT WE HAVE ANY LEFTOVER, IT'S AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
IT'S, IT'S ROLLED OR, AND IT'S IN THE RESTRICTED UNBALANCED.
THERE ARE OTHER ITEMS THAT ALSO GET INCLUDED OTHER THAN JUST RESURFACING WITHIN ROAD MAINTENANCE.
SO, UH, ROAD REPAIRS THAT OUR ASPHALT CREW DOES.
ANYTHING WITHIN THAT RIGHT OF WAY, OUR STREET SWEEPING TIME GOES AGAINST THE POWELL BILL.
SO THERE, THERE ARE OTHER SERVICES THAT ARE PROVIDED OR COMPENSATED FOR THAT WE, WE USE IN POWELL.
BILL TO MAKE UP THOSE NUMBERS.
THE STREET SWEEPING SERVICES ARE PROVIDED, UH, YEAH, IT'S A, A POWER BILL ELIGIBLE ITEM.
SO, SO THE TIME THE MACHINERY AND THE DEMAND HOURS ON THAT MACHINE IS INCLUDED IN A WEEKLY REPORT.
AND WE INCLUDE BILL ELIGIBLE ITEMS FOR OUR FINAL.
SO, WELL, WE'RE IN DESPERATE NEED OF PROVIDING US SOME STREET MAINTENANCE REPAVING.
UM, AND I KNOW $400,000 WON'T PAY WHAT, HALF A MILE MILE IS THAT? A ABOUT, ABOUT A MILE.
AND HAVE IN FAVOR REALLY, IF YOU WANT KNOW THE TRUTH AND PUT A HALT ON SOME SIDEWALKS THIS YEAR AND, AND UP THE PAVING A LITTLE BIT.
IT'S DEFINITELY SWUNG IN THE PAST FEW YEARS.
THIS, THIS USED A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY AND MAINTAIN THE SIZE AND REPAIR THE SIDEWALKS THAT WE HAVE AND NOT CONSTRUCT ANY NEW ONES IN THIS.
TAKE THIS MONEY IN, DO SOME PAVEMENT ON THESE ROADS THAT WE'VE GOT THAT ARE IN TERRIBLE CONDITIONS.
IT'S LIKE RIDING A ROLLERCOASTER, DRIVING DOWN SOUTH FRONT STREET DOWN BY THE CONVENTION CENTER.
WHEN'S THE NEW STREET SURVEY GONNA BE READY? IT'S ALLEGED FOR THIS IN THIS PLACE.
WE DESPERATELY NEED THAT SURVEY.
IS THAT THE ONE WITH THE ROAD QUALITY AND ALL THAT? EVERYTHING INCLUDED IN IT.
UM, SO GEORGE, QUESTION HERE IN THE, YOU GOT THE SIDEWALKS, YOU GOT $30,000.
WHAT IS THAT FOR THAT OTHER THAN THAT'S FOR, UM, IN-HOUSE CONCRETE REPAIRS ON SIDEWALKS.
SO OUR CONCRETE CREW IN ADDITION, UH, DOES, DOES REPAIRS.
SO THE 250 S FOR NEW SIDEWALKS WOULD BE FOR NEW, FOR NEW SIDEWALKS OR LARGE AREAS THAT NEED TO BE REMEDIATED? YEAH, I WOULD, I MEAN WE'VE, WE'VE PROVIDED $250,000 FOR NEW SIDEWALKS EVERY YEAR FOR THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS.
I MEAN, I'M, I'M IN FAVOR OF MOVING THAT MONEY INTO SOME PAYMENT THIS YEAR.
AND WELL, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF MOVING ALL OF IT INTO PAVING CUZ I'M, I HAVE A SIDEWALK THAT I WANT DOWN GARDEN STREET.
THAT'S A, A DIRE NEED FOR THE, FOR THE PEDESTRIANS AND CITIZENS THAT LIVE OVER THERE.
I THOUGHT WE WERE ALREADY WORKING ON THAT ONE, BARBARA.
I THOUGHT WE WERE ALREADY WORKING ON THAT ONE.
NO MONEY'S BEEN TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
BUT HAVE YOU SURVEYED IT OR ANYTHING? IS IT, IS IT, I RECKON IS IT DOABLE? YEAH.
AND AND THAT'S THE ISSUE THAT ALDERMAN INVESTED AND I'VE WALKED IN SEVERAL TIMES AND THERE'S CERTAIN AREAS WHERE THERE'S SUCH LIMITED RIGHT OF AWAY.
WE HAVE LOOKED AT A RECENT OPTION TO GO THROUGH SOME CITY PARCELS.
UM, THERE ARE SOME AREAS OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONFLICT THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH, BUT NOTHING SIGNIFICANT TO AT LEAST GET, GET US AWAY FROM, UM, HIM AT THE BACKSIDE, HENDERSON PARK ON THE SU AND THEN, AND TRY TO GET JAR
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GIVE US DIRECTION.UM, CAN I ASK A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS? OKAY.
IN, IN REFERENCE TO THE, UM, GARDEN STREET SIDEWALK AT THIS POINT THERE'S BEEN NO MONIES OTHER THAN THE SURVEY THAT WAS DONE.
WE HAVE HAD A CONSULTANT GO LOOK AT THE AREA, UHHUH
UM, CURRENTLY WE HAVE NO, UM, DRAWING PLANS, BUT HE SEES NO, UH, HEAVY LIFTING PERMIT WISE TO GET THROUGH THERE WITH THE PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY.
IT WILL NEED TO COINCIDE OR BE A PART OF THE STREAM RESTORATION WHERE THEY DO THE BACKSIDE OF HENDERSON PARK MM-HMM.
UM, SO WE CAN TIE TO WHAT'S INTENDED ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE PARK.
WHEN YOU SAY THE BACKSIDE OF THE PARK, THAT WOULD BE INCLUDING THE WALKWAY FROM HENDERSON PARK GOING ACROSS THROUGH THE YES MA'AM.
WHAT THE AREA THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT'S CORRECT.
THAT WERE CONNECTED INTO THE SIDEWALK ON GARDEN STREET? CORRECT.
SO HOW MUCH MONEY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, BARBARA? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA ON, ON DOING THE WORK YOU WANT ME DONE OVER THERE? UM, GEORGE, THAT'S A GEORGE QUESTION.
FOSTER, UH, JUST A CLOSED ESTIMATE.
$75,000 WE COULD PROBABLY GET AROUND, WE COULD GET TO THE CORNER.
NOW WE DO RUN INTO SOME CONFLICTS TRYING TO GET AROUND THE SHARP TURN THERE ON SUTTON.
UH, THAT'LL STILL NEED TO BE RESOLVED.
ANY $75,000, YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE BRIDGE, THE, THE BRIDGES WORK AND, AND THAT LITTLE BIT OF SIDEWALK AREA TO GET, GET TO THE CORNER WHERE, WHERE WE RUN OUT OF CITY PROPERTY OR CITY RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THEN THERE'S SEVERAL PRIVATE PARCELS WHERE WE DO NOT HAVE SUFFICIENT RIGHT OF WAY RIGHT NOW.
CAN'T BE, CAN'T BE NOT FOR THOSE TWO PARCELS.
OH, THAT'S NOT INCLUDING PURCHASING PARCELS THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT HUH? JUST SAY $200,000.
UM, IT'S DIFFICULT TO SAY WHEN I, I I UNDERSTAND APPRECIATION FOR THESE RIGHT OF WAYS YOUR PROPERTY.
BUT JUST TO SAY THE TWO PARCELS THAT'S THERE, THIS IS HYPOTHETICAL WHATEVER THE TWO PARCELS IS THERE WITH PUTTING IN THE SIDEWALK THERE FOR, AS THE SIDEWALK IS CONCERNED FROM SUTTON ON DOWN THE GARDEN WHERE WE SPOKE OF TO, TO GET US AROUND THE CORNER STRUCTURALLY WE COULD PROBABLY CONSTRUCT THE ENTIRE THING FOR 20, FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
THAT'S THE 75 I JUST MENTIONED.
ANOTHER 25 KITS AROUND THE CORNER THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE RIGHT OF WAY PURCHASE OR PROPERTY PURCHASE.
AND AND YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW IF YOU CAN GET RIGHT OF WAY PURCHASES DONE.
WELL, AND, AND WHY HE'S WORKING ON THAT.
I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE TAKE $200,000 OF THAT MONEY AND MOVE IT INTO PAVING AND, UH, WHEN HE GETS EVERYTHING SETTLED FOR BARBARA'S, UH, SIDEWALK OVER THERE, IF HE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT, COME BACK HERE AND TALK TO US ABOUT IT.
BUT I WOULD, I'D LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE MORE MONEY DONE THAN PAVING THAN THIS YEAR.
JUST PUT SIDE BALLS A LITTLE BIT ON THE BACK BURNER.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE, WE'VE PUT WE'RE DOING MORE SIDEWALKS THAN WE ARE PAVING.
SO DO WE NEED THAT STUDY FIRST WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PAVING OR, OH, THERE'S PLENTY.
THERE'S PLENTY OF PAVEMENT THAT CAN BE DONE WITHOUT THE STUDY.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A ROCKET SCIENTIST OR CONSULTANT.
THE STUDY WILL RANK 'EM FOR US.
SO WE'LL KNOW WHICH ONES WE NEED TO DO FIRST.
BUT I'M SURE IF, IF GEORGE HAD $50 MILLION, HE COULD SPEND 50 MILLION ON PAYMENT.
YOUR HONOR, I I WOULD ALSO OFFER TO YOU, I THINK ON OUR NEXT, UH, BOARD MEETING, THE BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN COMMITTEE WILL BE ON THERE.
AND THEN, UM, THE BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN COMMITTEE INTENT IS TO PRIORITIZE AREAS AND SIDEWALKS AND BIKEWAYS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO, AND, AND SEARCH OUT FOR GRANTS RATHER THAN, UH, RELY ON JUST ONLY ON CITY FUNDS.
SO I I WOULD NOT BE, UM, OPPOSED TO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OLIVER NA BECAUSE, UM, HOPEFULLY THIS COMMITTEE ACTUALLY WOULD GO AND FIND MORE FUNDS FOR SIDEWALKS AND BIKEWAYS.
WELL, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED TO MOTION.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MOVE $200,000 OUTTA SIDEWALKS AND INTO THE PAVING QUESTION.
SO THE $50,000 ARE REMAINDER SO IT CAN, SO WHATEVER GEORGE NEED TO GO AHEAD ON WITH MY PROJECT.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? OR WHATEVER HE NEEDS FOR PAVING TO GET THE EASEMENTS OR WHATEVER IS NEEDED.
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OKAY.ANY DISCUSSION? JUST HAVE A ROLL CALL STARTING WITH ALDERMAN AS YES.
SO FOSTER, I ARE GONNA BE PARTICIPATING IN OUR MEETING REMOTELY.
SO WE'VE GOT 30 MINUTES NOW CAUSE WE DEFINITELY HAVE A HARD STOP AT FOUR O'CLOCK.
SO WHERE ARE WE, MR. MANAGER? OKAY.
NO, I HAVE BEFORE, BEFORE YOU MOVE THE, UM, I MIGHT HAVE MISSED IT.
THAT MISCELLANEOUS OTHER SERVICES.
UM, IS THAT THE IT'S THE EXTRA $20,000.
I WAS WONDERING WHAT THAT IS THAT THE SURVEY? SHE'S GONNA DOUBLE CHECK, BUT I THINK IT'S THE SURVEY THAT THE STREET SURVEY WE'RE TALKING, TALKING ABOUT.
SO, UM, IF YOU'RE GOOD WITH PAGE 1 43 THAT ENDS, UM, STREETS AND THEN WE'RE MOVING TO 1 44 STORMWATER, THEIR BUDGET IS $793,106.
SO I WILL HIGHLIGHT THEY HAD A LITTLE BIT IN TRAVEL AND TRAINING THAT THEY ADDED.
AND THEN THE LAND RENTALS, UM, CONSIST OF THE NORFOLK SOUTHERN RAILROAD CROSSING AGREEMENTS.
UM, THEY INCREASED TEMPORARY HEALTH SERVICES AS WELL.
SO THE NORFOLK RAILROAD CROSSING AGREEMENT MM-HMM.
ANY PLACE, UH, WITHIN PUBLIC WORKS, EITHER STREETS OR IF WE HAVE STORM DRAINAGE THAT WE NEED AN EASEMENT OR HAVE A CROSSING, WE HAVE TO PAY AN ANNUAL FEE TO HAVE THAT CROSSING ACROSS, UH, FOUR UNDERNEATH IT.
AND IT'S AN ANNUAL FEE THAT'S NEW.
THEY HAVE TRANSITIONED, UH, PRIOR YEARS THEY ALLOWED YOU TO PAY A ONE-TIME FEE AND NOW THEY HAVE BACKED THAT OUT AND GONE TO AN ANNUAL FEE.
SO I WILL SAY THAT WE, UM, DID LOSE ONE AT THE HEAD OF TONA, UM, WHEN D OT TOOK OVER THE ENTRANCE TONA AS PART OF THE HIGHWAY 70 PROJECT.
WE TRY NOT TO HAVE THEM, BUT IT'S UNNECESSARY.
WE JUST HAVE TO DO SOME THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S A TOUGH PILL TO SWALLOW RIGHT THERE.
BUT YOU CAN'T FIGHT THE RAILROAD.
SO, SO, UM, YOU DID RECEIVE CONFIRMA OR TIME YOU CONFIRMED THAT IT'S THE ASPHALT CONDITION RATING SURVEY FOR THE $20,000 THAT YOU JUST INQUIRED ABOUT.
OKAY, ON PAGE 1 46, THERE WAS AN INCREASE IN, IN STREET REPAIR AND IT RESTRICTED, WHICH WERE SOME, UM, IPADS.
IF YOU HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, YOU WOULD BE, UM, COMPLETE WITH PUBLIC COURT.
PAGE 2047, UM, CONSISTS OF OUR, OUR DEBT PAYMENTS GENERAL FUND PORTION.
PAGE 1 48 IS TRANSFERRED TO OTHER FUNDS, INTO GRANT FUNDS.
AND THAT IS OUR COMMITMENT THAT WE MAKE SOMETIMES WITH MATCH.
UM, IF THERE'S ANY GRANTS OUT THERE THAT, THAT HAS A MATCH REQUIREMENT THAT WOULD GO TO MATCH TO THE GRANT'S FUNDS AND THEN THAT COMPLETES GENERAL FUND.
YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON THAT FOR STAFF.
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ALL RIGHT.FOSTER, I GUESS WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT A R P PROJECTS.
WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE IMPACT OF THE REEVALUATION NOW, KIM? YEP.
ON YOUR SCREEN YOU'LL SEE THE, UM, CALCULATION FOR THE REEVALUATION.
THE CURRENT TAX RATE RIGHT NOW IS THE 0.4822%.
UM, THE AS OF MAY 6TH, WHICH WAS ALSO CONFIRMED, OR I MEAN MARCH APRIL 6TH, WHICH WAS ALSO CONFIRMED ON MAY 1ST THAT WE'RE STILL AT THE 4.7 BILLION, UM, VALUATION.
AND THE, UH, REVENUE NEUTRAL TAX RATE CALCULATION IS, UM, CALCULATED AT 3.3734%.
THAT CALCULATION ALSO INCLUDES A 2.98% AVERAGE GROWTH OF ASSESSED VALUES.
AND THAT'S SINCE THE LAST REVALUATION IN 2016, THE TOTAL REVENUE, UM, TAX INCREASE OR TAX REVENUE INCREASE WOULD BE $509,589 FOR EVERY ADDITIONAL 1 CENT INCREASE IN THE TAX RATE IS $472,000 OR A CUT OF $472,000 IF YOU WANTED TO DECREASE IT BY THAT.
THE RECOMMENDATION TO BALANCE THIS BUDGET THAT'S, THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT TODAY WOULD BE POINT, UM, A 0.4359%.
SO WITH THAT RATE, THAT DOES INCLUDE IMPLEMENTING, LIKE I SAID YESTERDAY, THE SECOND PHASE OF THAT SALARY SURVEY, A COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT OF 3% AND A MERIT PAY OF UP TO 2%.
UM, AND WE TOOK INTO ACCOUNT THE CPI AND IN DECEMBER, 2022 IS 6.5%.
UM, LET'S, UM, SO WITH THE SALARY STUDY IMPLEMENTED AND, AND WITH THE 5% OF THE IMPACT ON THE GENERAL FUND ADDITION WAS $1.2 MILLION FOR THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS, THAT $635,000.
KIM TALKED ABOUT SALES TAX REVENUES.
SO, UM, THIS CHART SHOWS YOU SOME, SORRY, MY NOTES.
SOME STRONG, UM, SALES TAX GROWTH.
WE'VE BEEN CONTINUING TO GROW.
UM, WE'VE BEEN, WE DO RECEIVE WARNINGS OFTEN TO BE CONSERVATIVE.
DON'T EXPECT US TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, GROWING AS FAST AS IT IS.
THIS CHART SHOWS YOU, UM, THE SALES SIX FOR JUST FOR NEWBURN AND WE BUDGETED, UM, WE STILL BUDGETED A GROWTH, BUT WE WERE CONSERVATIVE.
I, I FEEL AT 11.9 MILLION, WHAT DO WE BUDGET FOR THIS BUDGET YEAR? UM, FOR 2023? YEP.
TANYA'S GONNA GRAB THAT REALLY QUICK.
I KNOW WE'RE ESTIMATED IT 11.3, THAT'LL TAKE A MINUTE.
SO WE CAN, IF YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL TAKE THOSE CUZ I THINK SHE'S GOT TO ADD A COUPLE LINES PAGE.
JUST, UM, PAGE 30 IS GENERAL FUNDS.
SO, UM, FIVE, THE 1, 1, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0 5, 1, 2, 1, 2 AND FIVE.
SO 10 MILLION AND WE'RE AT 11.3 ESTIMATED.
SO WE, WE'VE HEARD YOUR COMMENTS ALONG AND, AND HAVE MADE ADJUSTMENTS BASED ON ANY CONCERNS YOU MAY HAVE HAD.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS YOU HAVE FOR US? ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE FOR US? CAN YOU GO BACK, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT FIRST SLIDE YOU SHOWED? I WANT THE BOARD TO UNDERSTAND
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THE, UH, YEP.SO OUR CURRENT TAX RATE IS 4 8 22.
MM-HMM
SO IN ORDER FOR OUR TAX REVENUE NEUTRAL RATE TO COME IN BASED OFF THE NEW EVALUATION.
AND THAT INCLUDES THE 3% GROWTH.
AND WITHIN THE CALCULATION, IT TAKES THE AVERAGE GROWTH FROM THE LAST, UM, TIME THAT WE HAD THE RE REEVALUATION, WHICH WAS 2016.
SO IT CALCULATES THAT FOR YOU.
SO FOR, FOR OUR CITIZENS AND OUR TAXPAYERS AND HOMEOWNERS, IN ORDER FOR THEM TO PAY THE SAME THING ROUGHLY THAT THEY PAID LAST YEAR AND CITY OF NEWMAN PROPERTY TAX, THE TAX RATE WOULD NEED TO BE 37 34.
AND THE RECOMMENDATION IS 43 59, WHICH IS 6 CENTS ROUGHLY, GIVE OR TAKE.
WHICH IF YOU TAKE 6 CENTS TIMES 472,000, JUST SHORT OF 3 MILLION.
SO WE'RE ASKING FOR 3 MILLION INCREASE IN OUR TAX RATE FOR GENERAL FUND ONLY.
6 CENT PER WHAT? 6 CENTS ABOVE WHAT THEY'RE PAYING NOW IS A FAIR STATEMENT TO SAY YES.
AND JUST TO COMPLETE THAT THOUGHT, THAT'S 6 CENTS PER THOUSAND OF THEIR ASSESSMENT.
HUNDRED, HUNDRED HUNDRED 6 CENTS PER HUNDRED.
SO AN INDIVIDUAL COULD TAKE THEIR ASSESSMENT, MULTIPLY IT BY THAT HOUSE AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THEIR PROPOSED TAX BURDEN WOULD BE, HUNDRED 50 IN ADDITION TO THE COUNTY IN ADDITION TO.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE COUNTY'S GOING TO DO? THEIR BUDGET MEETINGS START NEXT WEEK.
THEY GOT A $6 MILLION HONOR PROPERTY TO HAVE TO PAY FOR SOMETIME.
AND WE HAVE NOT HEARD WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING IN ADDITION TO THE REEVALUATION OF PROPERTY TAX CORRECT.
WITH WITH THE REEVALUATION CITY TAX, THIS IS HOW THIS WOULD BE AFFECTED.
THIS WOULD, UH, AFFECT US, WELL WITH US THE INCREASE PLUS THE COUNTY INCREASE WITH REEVALUATION
THEY'RE LOOKING AT THEIR CURRENT TAX RATE, THEIR REVENUE NEUTRAL RATE, AND THEN DETERMINING WHERE THEIR TAX RATE IS GONNA BE FOR 2324.
THEY'RE DOING THE SAME THING, WHICH IS WHY I STATED THEIR BUDGET MEETINGS ARE NEXT WEEK.
SO THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THAT DISCUSSION UNTIL NEXT WEEK AS FAR AS WHERE THEIR RATES ARE GONNA BE.
BUT YES, POTENTIALLY COULD BE MORE.
WHAT IS THE FINALIZATION FOSTER, UH, FOR THIS BUDGET TO BE APPROVED SO THAT WE GO FOR THIS BUDGET TO BE APPROVED? I KNOW YOU GAVE US THE INFORMATION, BUT I DON'T JUNE 13TH.
SO MO MOVING FORWARD BASED ON WHATEVER COMMENTS WE RECEIVE FROM FROM YOU TODAY, WE'RE GOING TO INCORPORATE THAT FOR NEXT WEEK'S BUDGET PRESENTATION.
THEN WE WILL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON MAY 23RD.
UH, ANY COMMENTS WE RECEIVED OR ANY DIRECTION WE RECEIVED FROM THE COURT, WE'LL MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS WE NEED TO.
AND THEN ON JUNE 13TH WE WILL, UH, MAKE THE REQUEST TO ADOPT THE UM, ME PERSONALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO WAIT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE COUNTY.
CUZ I DO KNOW, UM, THE COUNTY WAS IN, I KNOW SOME RECOMMENDATIONS WAS THAT THEY WERE WEREN'T, SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS WEREN'T TOO HAPPY ABOUT THIS, UH, REVAL.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, BASED ON WHAT THE COUNTY, I MEAN THE, THE, THE REVAL IT IS WHAT IT IS.
I MEAN THERE'S REALLY NOTHING THAT ANYBODY CAN DO OR CHANGE AND IT REALLY, IT'S REALLY FORCED TAX RATE I'M TALKING ABOUT FOR YEAH.
FORCED THEM INCREASING THE TAX RATE.
THAT'S, AND THAT'S BASED OFF OF WHAT OF THEIR, THE NEW TAX RATE WOULD BE, UM, BASED OFF, I MEAN THE REVENUE FROM IT WOULD BE COMING FROM THE NEW REVALS.
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SO ACTUALLY FOR WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT, YOU'RE REALLY, WE ARE REALLY ONLY ASK FOR 1 CENTS.BUT WE ARE, YOU'RE SAYING THIS IS 1 CENTS, BUT YOU'RE SAYING WE NEED 6 CENTS TO BALANCE THE BUDGET AS, AS IS PRESENTED.
UM, AND IF YOU WANT TO REDUCE THAT TO GET CLOSER TO REVENUE NEUTRAL OR TO GO TO REVENUE NEUTRAL, THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED TO TELL US.
1 CENT IS $472,000 AND THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD EITHER LOOK AT CUTTING OUT OF THIS BUDGET.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE NEVER LIKE, NEVER REALLY LIKE BALANCE IN THE BUDGET WITH FUND BALANCE.
THAT'S ONE OF THE LAST THINGS WE WANT TO DO.
PREFERENCE IS ALWAYS TO BUILD ON THAT FUND BALANCE.
UM, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS WHERE IT GETS TOUGH.
CAUSE YOU KNOW, THIS IS OVERALL 150 MILLION BUDGET.
GENERAL FUND IS GENERAL FUND NUMBER TOTAL.
AND SO, WELL WE PROVIDED A HARD COPY OF THIS PRESENTATION.
AND I WANT TO, I WANT TO CORRECT MY STATEMENT.
THE, THE COUNTY'S FIRST BUDGET MEETING IS MAY 15TH, SO NOT NEXT WEEK, BUT THE WEEK AFTER.
SO THEY WILL START ON MAY 15TH.
YOU LOOKING FOR INITIAL FEEDBACK OR ARE YOU JUST ABSOLUTELY.
ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO GIVE US? MAY 19TH? UM, WELL I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I WANTED.
I THINK I PERSONALLY WAIT AND TO SEE WHAT TRANSPIRES WITH THE COUNTY WELL WHAT EFFECT THAT'S GONNA HAVE ON SAID.
I MEAN, I MEAN OUR ASSESSED VALUES COME FROM THE COUNTY.
WELL WE KNOW WHAT THE ASSESSED VALUE IS GONNA I KNOW.
DO WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR RATE'S GONNA BE.
I'M LOOKING AT IT FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF IF THE COUNTY, WE HAVE CITY AND COUNTY TAXES.
SO IF THE COUNTY TAX RATES GOES UP TREMENDOUSLY AND THEN WE HERE WE ARE PUTTING A ADDITIONAL 6 CENTS.
I'M LOOKING AT IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE FOR A CITIZEN.
YOU KNOW, YOU GOT COUNTY AND CITY TAXES THERE AND BOTH TAXES IS BEING THAT I AGREE WITH, BUT I MEAN MAYBE IT'S TIME THAT WE ASK THE CITY MANAGER TO GO BACK AND WEED THROUGH SOME OF THIS STUFF THEN.
AND I MEAN IF WE CAN GET IT DOWN TO 4 CENTS, HE CAN CUT $900,000 OUT OF THIS BUDGET OR SOMETHING.
I MEAN WE'VE GOT LINE ITEMS IN THIS BUDGET THIS, UM, THAT WE'VE NEVER HAD BEFORE.
YOU KNOW WHAT THE COMMUNITY SERVICE, HOW MANY $10,000 OF THOSE DID WE HAVE? YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALMOST $500,000 IN TRAVEL AND TRANSPORTATION OUT OF THE $3 MILLION OF INCREASED COST OR REVENUE THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, HOW MUCH OF THAT ORIGINAL FUND IS PERSONNEL? UM, ABOUT 65%.
IT, 65 PERCENT-ISH IS JOHN FUND.
SO I THINK YOU NOW WE WOULD NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE 35%.
CAUSE I MEAN I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE, THE CITY POPULATION HAS NOT GROWN THAT MUCH IN THE LAST NINE YEARS SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD.
BUT WE'VE INCREASED OUR PERSONNEL BY ABOUT 15 POSITIONS.
SO, AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT ADVOCATING WE GET RID OF EMPLOYEES.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT CITY HASN'T GROWN THAT MUCH AND WE'VE GROWN 15, ROUGHLY 15 HEADS IN THE PAST NINE YEARS AND YEAH, WELL A LOT OF THAT WAS DUE TO WHEN WE WERE IN TROUBLE AND WE LET SEVERAL POSITIONS GO AWAY AND NOW WE'RE A WE THEY WERE ASKING 'EM BACK AND THEN ONE BIG CHUNK OF IT WAS FIREFIGHTERS AND TELECOMMUNICATORS.
I THINK WE ADDED SIX SIX TELECOMMUNICATORS.
BUT IF THE BOARD FEELS STRONGLY THAT THE SALARY STUDY NEEDS TO BE FULLY IMPLEMENTED, THEN THAT SORT OF TAKES PERSONNEL OFF THE TABLE.
SO THAT LEAVES YOU WITH 35% OF YOUR REMAINING DEFICIT TO WORK WITH.
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KNOW YOU'RE GONNA IMPLEMENT THE SECOND HALF OF THE SALARY STUDY ALONG WITH A COLA, ALONG WITH A MERIT INCREASE.WHICH IS HOW MUCH IS THAT 3% COLA IN TERMS THE COST COST OF THAT 5%, 2%, THREE COLA AND 2% MERIT.
IT'S ANOTHER FIVE USE USING 65% OF THAT 3 MILLION.
UM, I AGREE WITH OTTOMAN ASTOR THAT MAYBE SOME OF THIS STUFF, WELL IT'S IN THIS BUDGET THIS YEAR AND MAYBE IT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED SCALED DOWN, SOME
NOW WE'RE PAYING FIVE AND $6 FOR 'EM.
YOU KNOW, THE PRICE OF DIESEL FUEL HAS GONE UP QUITE A BIT.
OUR CHEMICALS HAVE GONE UP, OUR LABOR COST HAS GONE UP.
WE HAD TO GO UP ON LABOR BECAUSE, AND PAY OUR EMPLOYEES OR WE WERE LOSING THEM BY THE TIME WE GET 'EM TRAINED AND THEY, THEY CAN GO SOMEWHERE ELSE AND MAKE MORE MONEY.
ROCKY MOUNT POLICE DEPARTMENTS JUST NOW ADVERTISE.
THEY'RE STARTING THEIR, THEIR POLICE OFFICERS AT $60,000 A YEAR.
THAT'S GONNA HAVE AN EFFECT ON US.
SO WE CAN'T MESS WITH THE SALARIES.
THE SALARIES HAVE TO STAY AS, AS IS NOW.
WE'VE GOT TO CONTINUE WITH OUR SALARY SURVEY OF WHAT THE SALARY SURVEY RECOMMENDED OR WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GONNA START BACK LOSING LINEMEN AND POLICE OFFICERS AND FIREFIGHTERS NOW.
UH, BUT THINGS HAVE GONE UP FOR US JUST LIKE THEY'VE GONE UP FOR THE HOMEOWNERS AND WE, I DON'T, I WISH I COULD PAY $2 A GALLON FOR GASOLINE NOW, YOU KNOW? UM, AND, AND I I MADE NOTE OF SOME OF THIS STUFF WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH.
BUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT WERE YOU PAYING A COUPLE YEARS AGO FOR TURNOUT GEAR? 2000.
AND WHAT ARE YOU PAYING FOR NOW? AND I KNOW THE, THE, I KNOW THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S STRUGGLING WITH THE PRICES OF INCREASES ON LIKE AMMUNITION.
I KNOW THAT'S GOT TO PROBABLY DOUBLED IN, IN PRICE.
SO OUR CITIZENS HAVE TO REALIZE THAT WE'RE SUFFERING JUST LIKE THEY ARE.
SO THERE'S ONLY TWO THINGS TO DO.
YOU CAN EITHER RAISE A LITTLE TAX RATE A LITTLE BIT OR CUT SERVICES AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S MANY PEOPLE THAT'S IN THIS TOWN WANT US TO CUT SERVICES.
KIM, WHAT'S OUR, WHAT'S OUR FUND BALANCE TODAY IN THE GENERAL FUND? HAVE THAT, SORRY.
SO AS OF OUR LAST REPORT, THE UM, GENERAL FUND FUND BALANCE WAS NOT CALCULATED.
I WAS THINKING OF CASH ON HAND.
UM, I WOULD'VE TO CALCULATE THAT FOR YOU.
IT'S TYPICALLY DONE AT THE END OF THE YEAR BECAUSE IT CHANGES SIGNIFICANTLY.
IT'S NOT LIKE OUR EXPENSES ARE ALL THE SAME.
SO I, I MEAN, I THINK WE NEED, WE DEFINITELY NEED TO SEE WHERE THAT NUMBER IS.
AND I DEFINITELY THINK THAT THE PENCIL NEEDS TO BE SHARPENED ON THE BUDGET.
I THINK THERE'S SOME STUFF IN HERE THAT COULD BE, COULD BE ADJUSTED BECAUSE WE'VE GOT GROWTH.
I MEAN WE'VE GOT A MILLION DOLLARS GROWTH IN SALES TAX GROWTH.
THAT'S, WE'VE ALREADY SHOWN THAT.
SO I MEAN THAT'S A MILLION DOLLARS THAT'S IN THE GENERAL FUND AND WE'VE GOT A $3 MILLION DEFICIT ESSENTIALLY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CLOSE.
YOU GOT A MILLION DOLLARS IN THAT UN UNDERSTANDING THAT, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY THAT IS GONNA CONTINUE.
BUT THE THING ABOUT FUND BALANCE IS YOU SPEND IT, IT GOES MM-HMM
SO I'M NOT AN ADVOCATE OF JUST KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD JUST TO TRY TO GET THROUGH THIS YEAR, BUT I DO THINK THAT OBVIOUSLY THINGS ARE PRETTY STRONG FROM A DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT IN SALES TYPES.
SO WE WILL HAVE TO, I MEAN IF, IF WE'LL HAVE TO DO SOMETHING DOWN THE ROAD,
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WE WILL HAVE TO INCREASE AT SOME POINT, RIGHT.BECAUSE WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO SUSTAIN IT AS ALL OF THE, UM, RATES INCREASE EVERY YEAR.
I DO IT ALL AT ONE TIME, BUT YEAH, I JUST, I THINK SIX IS WHAT IF WE SMALL, WHAT WOULD IT BE? INCREASE B ON A $250,000 HOUSE IF WE WENT TO 4 CENTS.
WHAT'D YOU DO THAT HEAD? 200,000.
A 250,000 HOUSE IF WE WENT TO 4 CENTS, I KNOW A $200,000 HOUSE IS 60 CENT IS GONNA ADD ON HUNDRED NINE, $60 HUNDRED DOLLARS.
SO YOU RAISE A HUNDRED DOLLARS PER HOUSEHOLD.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? IF YOU ADDED 4 CENTS TO IT? OH, 4 CENTS.
I WAS GONNA SAY
I KNOW ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS ARE OUT THERE SAYING, GOD, I WISH WE WOULD HAVE TO HEAR THIS, BUT I WOULD REALLY RATHER GIVE OUR EMPLOYEES THEIR, THEIR RAISES.
I MAYBE CUT OUT AN OUT OF TOWN TRAINING SESSION SOMEWHERE HERE AND THERE OR SOMETHING.
BUT, UM, I THINK YOU COULD DEFINITELY CUT YOUR TRAINING AND TRAVEL BUDGET.
LET 'EM, IF THEY WANT TO, IF THEY HAVE SOME EXTRA MONEY IN THEIR, THEIR REGULAR BUDGET, THEY CAN USE THAT.
SO WHEN DO WE NEED TO, WHEN DO YOU THINK YOU CAN GET BACK TO US AND DO WE NEED TO MEET AGAIN BRIEFLY TO DISCUSS IT WITH HEATHER? MAYOR? I THINK WE COULD ADD THIS ON TO A MEETING.
I MEAN, YOU'RE MAKING A PRESENTATION TUESDAY NIGHT PRESENTATION.
SO WE'LL PROVIDE, PROVIDE THE UPDATED, THAT'S, THAT'S WHEN YOU'LL HEAR YOUR FEEDBACK FROM YOUR CONSTITUENTS IS WHEN HE MAKES HIS PRESENTATION THAT THE TAX RATE IS GONNA GO UP.
THAT'S WHEN WE'LL HEAR FROM HIM.
WELL, IT'LL PROBABLY HERE IT IS TOO.
SO, SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT TALKING ABOUT 4%.
WELL, I JUST SUGGESTED IF HE CUT, CUT $900,000 OUT OF THE BUDGET, IT WOULD LOWER THE TAX RATE.
THE 4 CENTS ON THE A HUNDRED INSTEAD OF 6 CENTS ON THE A HUNDRED, WHICH WOULD MEAN ON A $250,000 HOME.
$150 VERSUS A HUNDRED DOLLARS.
WHERE DO YOU GET, WHERE DO YOU GET THAT FIGURE FROM A 250,000 HOME AT? UM, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A TAX RATE FROM 0.48 TO 52.
NO, GO DOWN, HUH? HUH? GO DOWN.
THE CURRENT TAX RATE IS 4 8 22.
YEAH, BUT THAT'S IRRELEVANT CAUSE OF THE NO, I WAS, I'M JUST FIGURING OUT THE TAXES ON A, HE WAS SAYING WHAT THE TAXES WOULD BE ON A HOME AT $250,000.
WHAT THE FIGURE WAS AT SIX PER 6 CENTS ON THE TAX RATE BASED OFF OF THE NEW VALUATION AND THE NEW TAX RATE.
IT WOULD BE $150 MORE THAN WHAT THEY'RE PAYING TODAY.
SO HE, HE'S TALKING ABOUT NOT 0.4822.
HE'S TALKING ABOUT 0.3 3.3734, WHICH IS THE REVENUE NEUTRAL RIGHT.
BECAUSE THAT'S POST REEVALUATION.
AND I, I JUST WANTED TO SAY, I KNOW YOU GOTTA GO, BUT I WANTED TO ASK ALSO WHEN CAN WE SCHEDULE SOME TIME TO DISCUSS THAT, UH, FEMA ISSUE? WE WE CAN ADD ANOTHER WORKSHOP.
WE CAN LOOK AT ADDING ANOTHER WORKSHOP.
WE'LL HAVE SOME TAKES, UH, AT THE NEXT MEETING.
I, I, IT, IT WOULDN'T TAKE, IT'LL TAKE LESS THAN AN HOUR I WOULD THINK TO DISCUSS IT.
WE, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO MOVE ON WHILE WE GOT THEIR ATTENTION.
CAUSE WE'VE GOT A FEW OTHER THINGS TO TALK ABOUT AS WELL.
SO WE CAN, WE ALWAYS HAVE THE OPTION.
I KNOW NOBODY PROBABLY WANTS TO HEAR THIS, BUT WE HAVE THE OPTION OF CONTINUING THIS MEETING.
IF YOU WANTED TO CONTINUE THIS MEETING TO SAY FIVE O'CLOCK ON TUESDAY AND COME IN AN HOUR EARLY, WE COULD DO THAT.
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SO, UM, MY STAFF IS BACK AT THE OFFICE LISTENING AND RAN THE NUMBERS.AND OUR ROUGH ESTIMATE FOR OUR GENERAL FUND FUND PANEL IS 27 2% OR A MILLION DOLLAR.
OH, I WAS GONNA SAY TOO, SO I, I, WE'RE HEALTHY, WE'RE VERY HEALTH.
WE HAVE A VERY HEALTHY, FUN BALANCE.
BUT, UM, UM, I DO IT MORE THAN THAT HOUR.
IF WE WANNA DO IT TUESDAY, I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE ABOUT 50%.
SOMETHING ELSE HE WANNA DISCUSS.
WHAT TIME DOES THE BOARD WANT TO MEET ON TUESDAY? CAN WE DO IT AT FOUR? CAN'T, WHEN IS TALK GONNA TALK NOTHING BUT, BUT FEMA AN HOUR IS ALL WE NEED.
WELL, WE GOT A FEW OTHER THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T GET TO ON THIS, WHICH WON'T TAKE VERY LONG.
WE CAN TAKE A BREAK AND FIND ANOTHER, THE BOARD, UH, DINNER IF WE NEEDED TO.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CONTINUE TO MEET UNTIL, WHAT TIME DID YOU SAY? RECESS? YEAH, RECESS.
4:00 PM UNTIL FOUR ON TUESDAY, WHATEVER THAT DATE IS.
HAVE A MOTION TO RECESS THIS MEETING UNTIL FOUR ON TUESDAY.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.