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CALL TO ORDER THE MAY 2ND, 2023, REGULAR MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.
SETH, MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL? UH, YES SIR.
SO OUR FIRST ITEM OF A BUSINESS IS ELECTION OF A NEW BOARD CHAIR.
UM, I'M TOLD THAT OUR PREVIOUS BOARD CHAIR HAS, UH, SELECT, HAS ACCEPTED A POSITION WITH THE CITY.
AND SO THAT, UH, RULES HIM OUT OF ELIGIBILITY FOR SERVING ON THE PLAINTIFF'S OWN BOARD.
SO AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN THE FLOOR NOMINATIONS AND, AND I GUESS I'LL GET US KICKED OFF AND I'LL NOMINATE BRAD JEFFRIES TO SERVE AS CHAIR.
ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS I'D NOMINATE? MA.
MARGIE, DO YOU WELL, BRAD, DO YOU ACCEPT NOMINATION? UH, SURE.
OKAY, MARGIE? NO, NO, YOU DECLINED.
SO ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? OKAY.
SO WE HAVE A NOMINATION SECOND FOR BRAD.
SO AT THIS TIME, I WILL, UM, ENTERTAIN VOTE FOR BRAD JEFFRIES.
UM, AND I'LL, I'LL RUN THE MEETING TONIGHT.
IF, UH, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH THE NEW CHAIR, WILL YOUR VOICE PLEASE?
I GOT THE GAVEL, SO I MAY AS WELL DO IT.
THIS IS MY PARTING SHOT ON MY WAY OUT BOARD.
UH, SO OUR NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES.
SO THE FIRST SET OF MINUTES THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US IS THE MARCH 1ST, 2022.
UM, DOING A LITTLE HOUSEKEEPING, CLEANING UP SOME PAST MINUTES.
HAS EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THOSE? AND ARE THERE ANY REVISIONS OR CORRECTIONS? HEARING NONE.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION HEARING.
NO, UH, REVISIONS OR, UH, CORRECTIONS? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVAL OF THE MARCH 1ST, 2022 MINUTES.
ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, THOSE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.
I HAD TO DO THAT CAUSE WE WERE, I'LL MAKE SURE I SIGN THESE FOR OUR LEAVE.
THE NEXT UH, SET OF MINUTES THAT WE HAVE, UM, IS FROM OUR MARCH 7TH, 2023, UH, MEETING.
HAS EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THOSE MINUTES? ANY CORRECTIONS OR REVISIONS? HEARING NONE, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I BELIEVE THAT WE, UH, ACCEPT THE MOTION.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
THOSE MINUTES ARE APPROVED AS WELL.
OUR FIRST ITEM OF NEW BUSINESS IS INTRODUCTION OF A NEW P AND Z MEMBER.
TURN YOUR THING AROUND SO I CAN SEE WHAT, YES SIR.
WHAT'D YOU LIKE? TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOURSELF AND HOW YOU BE ON THE BOARD.
UM, MY WIFE AND I HAVE LIVED HERE FOR A LITTLE OVER TWO AND A HALF YEARS.
I'M ORIGINALLY FROM VIRGINIA, UH, BORN AND RAISED IN VIRGINIA AND UH, CAME BACK TO THE EAST COAST AFTER GETTING TIRED OF CALIFORNIA.
UM, MY WIFE IS ORIGINALLY FROM CALIFORNIA BUT DECIDED SHE WANTED TO MOVE TO THE EAST COAST.
AND MY SISTER ALSO LIVES IN TOWN, SO IT'S A FAMILY AFFAIR.
UM, AND UM, I KNOW RICK PRILL VERY WELL.
HE'S MY NEIGHBOR, SO, UM, ACTUALLY I ASKED HIM IF I COULD BE NOMINATED AND SO HE PUT ME FORWARD FOR THE APPOINTMENT AND IT WAS APPROVED.
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EXCELLENT.WHAT IS YOUR TASK? WHAT DID YOU DO? UM, I'M AN ELECTRICAL ENGINEER BY EDUCATION AND I'VE DONE TREMENDOUS AMOUNTS OF THINGS IN PROJECT MANAGEMENT, SALES, MARKETING, BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT, SMALL BUSINESS, LOTS OF THINGS.
OUR NEXT ITEM OF NEW BUSINESS IS JOHN G. THOMAS.
HORTON INCORPORATED IS REQUESTING FINAL SUBDIVISION PLAN APPROVAL FOR BAYBERRY PARK SUBDIVISION PHASE THREE, A 51 LOT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THIS PHASE OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS LOCATED ON APPROXIMATELY 19.64 ACRES AND IS IN THE RESIDENTIAL R EIGHT DISTRICT.
THE SITE IS LOCATED OFF BAYBERRY PARK DRIVE AND CINNAMON RUN IN CAROLINA COLORS COMMUNITY.
SETH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GIVE US THE STAFF REVIEW? YES, SIR.
UM, MR. LAYTON STATED THIS, THIS PROJECT IS SOUTHERN END OF THE CAROLINAS DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S THE EXTENSION OF BAYBERRY DRIVE.
UH, THE FOOTPRINT IS ACTUALLY CLEAR RIGHT HERE.
SUBDIVISION COMPLIANCE SUBDIVISION, THE STAFF RECOMMENDS SUBDIVISION PHASE THREE PENDING PERFORMANCE BEING ACCEPTED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY ENGINEERS FIRM HAS BEEN WORKING WITH, UM, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE GETTING PUT TOGETHER.
SO WHAT WE'VE RECOMMENDED WOULD BE, UM, CONDITIONAL APPROVAL.
WE DON'T UNTIL SUCH HAS BEEN ACCEPTED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY POLICY.
AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS FROM BOARD.
I DON'T WANT ANY MORE PEOPLE MOVING.
THAT'S THE GET KICKED OFF PLAIN
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING FOR.
WHY DID YOU DIDN'T HEAR YOU WHILE AGO SET, MA'AM.
SYDNEY DOESN'T, HASN'T ACCEPTED THE MAP.
IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? THE BOND, I'M SAYING THE BOND HASN'T BEEN AMOUNT $700,000.
SO I KNOW I'M NEW, BUT I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
UM, IN A SUBDIVISION LIKE THIS, I NOTICED FROM THE MAP THAT THERE ARE EIGHT FOOT SIDE SETBACKS.
IS THAT TO CODE? IS THAT NORMAL? IS THAT WHAT YOU GUYS TYPICALLY, IS THAT PART OF THE ORDINANCE? WELL APPROVE THE ZONING DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS.
DISTRICT BUT HAVE IN, UM, YES.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE SETBACKS FOR THE RA.
AND THEN I NOTICED BETWEEN IN THE MIDDLE OF WATTS 93 THROUGH 112, WHICH ARE THE ONES IN THE MIDDLE, THERE'S A DRAINAGE EASEMENT AT THE BACK OF THE HOME, AT THE BACK OF EACH OF THE LOTS.
WHERE DOES THAT WATER GO? AND I APOLOGIZE, I'M NEW TO THE AREA, NEW TO HOW DRAINAGE WORKS IN THIS PART OF THE COUNTRY.
SO I KNOW HOW IT WORKS IN CALIFORNIA.
UM, CAN I GO UP THERE? ABSOLUTELY, PLEASE.
IF YOU WOULD YOU GO UP, JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
I'M A THOMAS ENGINEER AND I'M HERE FROM JOHN, UH, OUTTA TOWN.
UM, WE DID NOT MCKEN, MCCREE DID THE DESIGN OF THIS PROJECT.
WE CAME IN DO THE SURVEYING AND THE, SO WE CONSTRUCTION SIDE OF, BUT NOT THE, THE UPFRONT ENGINEER WE'RE WORKING FOR.
BUT THE ANSWER, THE QUESTION WAS ASKED ABOUT DRAINAGE.
SO THERE'S A DRAINAGE CATCH BASIN, THERE'S A BOX RIGHT HERE AND THERE'S A SURFACE FLOW DOWN.
SO IT'S CONNECTED TO THE BOXES.
THE SURFACE WILL JUST GOES THROUGH THE BOX.
UM, THIS ONE RIGHT HERE IS MORE FOR FUTURE.
THERE'S BOXING DOWN HERE AS WELL.
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A SW ALONG THIS LINE HERE.THIS ONE HERE IS FOR UTILITIES WITH WATERLINE AND SOME STORM DRAIN.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION.
I'LL PERUSE AND IMPROVE THE, UH, DOCUMENT AND IT STATES THAT THE SUBDIVISION IMPROVEMENT HAVE NOT BEEN COMPLETED AND THE OWNER HAS ELECTED TO PROVIDE A GUARANTEE IN ORDER.
NOW WHAT DID WE TALK ABOUT HERE? THAT'S OKAY.
IF WE RESEND THIS ESTIMATE TO PUBLIC WORKS AND THEY GO OVER IT AND MAKE SURE ALL THE NUMBERS LOOK GOOD.
YEAH, I SEE THAT HUNDRED MM-HMM.
SO THE TOTAL IMPROVEMENT'S 583,000.
SO 120% OF THAT WOULD BE 700,000.
THEY'RE GONNA TURN IN A LEGAL DOCUMENT THAT SAYS THAT THEY HAVE TO, UM, PUT ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS IN TO OUR STANDARDS FOR A FORFEIT AMOUNT OF MONEY SO THAT THE CITY CAN PUT 'EM IN IF THEY WERE TO DEFAULT.
NOW CAN WE, UH, TO ACCEPT THIS CONTINGENT UPON, UH, APPROVAL OF BOND? THAT IS CORRECT.
HEARING NONE, UH, AT THIS TIME I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
UH, BUT JUST A, A REMINDER, SO THIS IS, UM, NOT A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF ALL THIS IS THE FILE APPROVAL WITH THIS BOARD.
AND UM, IF IT'S A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL, IT NEEDS TO INCLUDE THE CONTINGENCY OF THE APPROVAL.
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE APPROVE IT ON, ON THE CONTINGENCY THAT UH, THE BOND IS ACCEPTED BY THE, OKAY.
SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
SO OUR NEXT ITEM OF NEW BUSINESS IS A DISCUSSION ITEM AND IT SAYS INITIAL ZONING FOR PREVIOUSLY ANNEX PARCELS.
AND SO SETH, I PRESUME YOU'VE GOT SOME PREPARED FORCE.
OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, STAFF HAS DETERMINED THAT THERES SEVERAL PARCELS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS THAT DID NOT RECEIVE AN INITIAL INITIAL ZONING AT THE TIME OF ANNEXATION.
UM, THERE'S 29 OF THESE ALTOGETHER.
THREE ARE D PARCELS AND THREE ARE UM, COUNTY AREA.
WE'VE GOT THREE FOUR PARCELS DOWN HERE AROUND CAROLINA THAT ARE THE AIRPORT.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT FOUR UP HERE OFF HIGHWAY FIVE, PLEASANT HILL AREA.
UM, SO WE'RE GONNA PUT TOGETHER A MASS INITIAL APPLICATION.
YOU GONNA DO ONE AS A GROUP OR YOU GONNA DO THEM INDIVIDUALLY YOU THINK? RIGHT.
AND THAT'LL COME TO THIS BOARD ON THAT ONE.
AND WHAT ZONES ARE WE THINKING? THAT'LL BE REALLY GOOD TO DISCUSS RIGHT NOW, ACTUALLY, BEFORE WE GO THROUGH AND START WRITING.
STAFF HAS AN OPINION OUT HERE.
THIS IS ALL OUR TOWN DOWN HERE.
THESE, THESE ARE, THESE ARE ADJACENT TO SOME RESIDENTIAL HOUSES HERE DOWN HERE.
C3 OR R EIGHT I WOULD THINK C R EIGHT RIGHT NEXT TO THE HOUSE.
REALLY USABLE IS PART OF THE CURVE RIGHT HERE.
C3 AND THAT PARTICULAR SLIDE IS, WHERE IS THAT AT LOCATED? THIS IS AT AROUND CAROLINA.
COLORS THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO COLORS.
BUT IS IT STAY GONNA TAKE PART OF THAT BECAUSE OF THE INS AND OUT OF THE HIGHWAY? YES.
IT SEEMS LIKE C3 WOULD MAKE SENSE CUZ RESIDENTIAL IS ALLOWED ON, ON C3 AND THAT'S ALL ORDERING C3 THERE.
AND I ASSUME THAT THE OTHER PARCEL THAT'S TO THE SOUTH THAT'S GONNA BE C3 OR THAT PROPOSAL WOULD BE FOR C3, THAT AS WELL.
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AND ON ON THE SLIDE, PREVIOUS SLIDE WHERE YOU HAD ALL THE, THE LOTS NEXT TO THE AIRPORT.SO ARE, I MEAN I KNOW IT'S OUR 10 AT THE BOTTOM, BUT THOSE ARE MOSTLY RES.
THAT'S A RESIDENTIAL AREA THAT LOOKS MORE LIKE OPEN SPACE THAN, OR THOSE ALL HOUSES UP THERE, UP BOTTOM HERE.
YOU SAY I'VE GOT YEAH, YOU CAN SEE SEE PART OF THE UH, THE TARGET.
YEAH, YOU CAN SEE THE RUNWAY FROM THE RIGHT AND UP ON TOP.
SO WE'RE KIND OF EMBARK ON A LOT OF HOUSEKEEPING RIGHT NOW.
A LOT OF HOUSEKEEPING RIGHT NOW.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS DISCOVERED, UM, WAS THAT THESE PROPERTIES WERE ANNEXED IN AND DID NOT RECEIVE ZONING.
OF COURSE THE RISK BEING IF YOU'RE NOT ZONED, YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO ON THE PROPERTY IS ESSENTIALLY LIKE YOU'RE STILL ZONED IN CRAMON COUNTY.
UM, THAT THAT'S EVERYTHING FROM A, YOU KNOW, MEAT PROCESSING PLANTS, THE STRIP CLUB ON THAT PROPERTY AND WE CAN'T STOP IT.
SO I HAD SOME URGENCY TO MAKE SURE, EVEN THOUGH SOME OF THESE ARE AREAS WHERE THOSE THINGS PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAPPEN CUZ YOU COULDN'T MEET THE OTHER CRITERIA THAT WE NEEDED TO GET THESE COLORED THE RIGHT COLOR MATCH IN OUR ZONING DISTRICTS.
AND SO WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE IS THAT'S GOING TO WRITE A REPORT FOR CITY OF NEWBURN REQUESTED.
IT'S JUST LIKE A REZONING INITIAL ZONING APPLICATION IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA CALL IT.
IT WILL HAVE SIGNS POSTED, IT WILL HAVE THE NOTIFICATION SENT OUT WHEN IT GOES TO PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, BUT THEY'RE ALL BEING PROCESSED UNDER LIKE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF ONE CASE WHERE THIS IS JUST A CLEANUP EFFORT FOR US TO DO THIS.
YOU'LL SEE EACH PROPERTY, THE PIN NUMBER, THE CURRENT USE OF THE PROPERTY AND THE PROPOSED ZONING.
SO WE'LL LOOK MORE CLOSELY TO SEE WHAT'S ACTUALLY, IF THERE'S A HOUSE ON THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA MAKE SENSE.
IF THERE'S A SWATH OF LAND THAT LOOKS COMMERCIAL AT THE ENTRANCE, YOU KNOW THE D O T PROPERTY, THEY ALREADY OWN THAT.
WE KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN THERE EVENTUALLY.
SO WE'LL USE SOME COMMON SENSE APPROACH AND THEN GET YOU TO WEIGH IN ON IT AND FOLLOW IT.
JUST LIKE A CITIZEN CAME IN AND ASKED FOR A REZONING, BUT YOUR THING IS HERE, IT'S JUST THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CITY THAT, THAT NEED THAT ZONING FOR THAT THERE.
DO WE KNOW HOW MANY OF THE PARCELS ARE NOT PUBLICLY OWNED? NOT NOT CITY.
WELL MOST OF THEM ARE PRIVATELY OWNED.
SO THE 29 AND THERE'S THREE THAT ARE ON UH, 36 THAT ARE PUBLICLY OWNED.
SO WHERE DURING THE PROCESS DOES THE PROPERTY OWNER GET THEIR INPUT? IS THAT PROACTIVELY SEND THEM OUT A NOTIFICATION, UH, BEFORE YOUR NEXT MEETING.
AND TO PROBABLY EVEN INVITE THEM TO COME HERE AND COMMENT IF THEY'D LIKE BECAUSE THEY MAY BE A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED, QUITE HONESTLY.
AND I'D RATHER CATCH THEM AT THIS MEETING THAN AT A PUBLIC HEARING WHERE I'VE NEVER HAD A ZONING BEFORE.
YOU WATCH SOME BOTH SOMETIMES.
SO WE'RE GONNA JUST BE A LITTLE PROACTIVE ABOUT THAT.
SEND THEM A COURTESY LETTER, LOOK THIS PROCESS, INVITE 'EM TO THIS MEETING IF THEY'D LIKE TO COME NEXT MONTH.
AND THEN, AND THEN THEY'LL GET THE REQUIRED LETTER ALSO WHEN IT GOES OUT.
WITHIN HOW MANY FEET? OH, A HUNDRED HUNDRED FEET.
SO YEAH, ALL THOSE NEIGHBORS TOO.
SO THERE MAY BE SOME PEOPLE JUST WITH CURIOUS QUESTIONS TO COME OUT AND, AND WE EXPECT THAT, CUZ THIS IS A LITTLE, I MEAN WE SEE THIS IN COUNTIES A LOT.
YOU DON'T SEE IT SO MUCH, UH, IN MUNICIPALITY.
SO, UM, YOU'RE ALSO SPEAKING OF CLEANUP EFFORTS, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA KEEP SEEING BETWEEN TWO AND FOUR SETS OF MINUTES FOR A WHILE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO MAKE PUSH RIGHT NOW TO GET THOSE, UH, CAUGHT UP ADMINISTRATIVELY.
AND SO, UM, ALL OF OUR BOARDS HAVE MADE A A MINUTES, UH, CATCH UP PLAN.
AND SO SETH HAS BEEN DOING SOME EXTRA MINUTES LATELY.
AND THEN THAT'S THE REASON BEHIND THAT.
AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE NOT BEEN HERE TO, TO WEIGH IN ON THAT, BUT WE STILL NEED THE, THE VOTE IN THE, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST PLEASE READ THEM FOR GRAMMAR AND ACCURACY.
BUT BYLAW, WE STILL GOTTA SET UP SOME KIND OF MINUTES.
SO YOU'LL SEE SOME, SOME VERY VANILLA MINUTES COMING THROUGH TO, TO GET THAT EFFORT FINISHED.
THE STATE REQUIREMENT IS TO SHOW THE, THE ITEMS THAT THE, UH, THE MOTION, THE MOTION REASON VERBATIM MOVING THE MEETING TO A DIFFERENT VENUE IF YOU'RE GONNA INVITE PEOPLE TO COME AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.
CAUSE WELL, PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS INVITED TO ATTEND THESE.
I KNOW, BUT THEY MAY ACTUALLY COME.
I HOPE THEY, I MEAN, DO YOU EXPECT SOMEWHERE WHERE WE HAVE MORE CHAIRS?
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A LOT OF TIMES MOST PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THEY GIVE US A CALL AND THEY'RE LIKE, WHAT IS THIS ABOUT? RIGHT.AND THEN THEY BUT YOU'VE ALWAYS GOT A COUPLE THAT WANT TO COME ACTUALLY.
JUST, JUST, UM, I I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS A BIG ENOUGH DEAL TO CALL IT SPECIAL MEETING.
WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? IF YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE YOUR LOCATION, ANY DEVIATION IN YOUR MEETING LOCATION CAN QUALIFY AS A SPECIAL MEETING.
UM, CITY HALL OFTEN IS USED BECAUSE OF ITS SPACE, UM, WHEN WE EXPECT A LARGE PUBLIC TURNOUT.
SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WANNA DO, PREEMPTIVE PLEA, YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION TONIGHT MOVING YOUR MEETING LOCATION, UM, TO THAT VENUE.
HOWEVER, UM, IT, IT MAY BE PRUDENT TO JUST LET STAFF, UM, ASSESS HOW MANY PEOPLE THEY THINK MAY COME AND COMMUNICATE THAT ALL TO YOU.
AND THAT WHEN YOU CAN REPORT WITH THE BENEFIT OF THAT INFORMATION.
BUT IF YOU GOT TOO MANY COMING IN, YOU PASS A LIMIT OF MOVING INTO THE NEXT LOOP DOWN TO TOWN.
48 HOURS NOTICE IS WHAT WE HAVE TO GET IN PUBLIC.
DO WE THINK THIS IS COMING BEFORE US? OUR OUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING, SETH? IS THAT POINT? I HOPE SO.
I THINK WE COULD JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND.
I DON'T, I DON'T, I I LIKE YOUR IDEA.
IF, IF WE GET A LOT OF FEET PUSHBACK, IT'S HARD TO SAY.
I CAN'T LEAST EVER PREDICT, BUT NOPE, THERE WILL BE.
THIS IS OUTREACH WE DON'T HAVE TO DO.
I JUST FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD DO.
I'M, I'M GOING TO HAVE SETH INVITE THESE PEOPLE TO COME LEARN.
THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO I KNOW ME.
I MEAN IT'S CUZ IT'S A LITTLE, LITTLE OFF.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON, UH, ON THAT PLAN MOVING FORWARD? OKAY, HEARING NONE.
OUR NEXT ITEM OF NEW BUSINESS IS THE DISCUSSION ITEM FOR DOWNTOWN PARKING.
I PRESUME YOU HAVE SOMETHING PREPARED FOR US FOR THAT.
SIMILAR, WE, ONE THING THAT'S THAT A LOT OF THESE HISTORIC DOWNTOWNS HAVE LIMITED SPACE.
THEY'RE LAID OUT SOMETIMES CENTURIES BEFORE THE AUTOMOBILE.
WHEN WE GET ADAPTIVE REUSE OF BUILDINGS DOWNTOWN.
UM, CHANGE OF USE FOR OUR OWN ORDINANCE WOULD REQUIRE 10, 15, 25 PARKING SPACES IN THE CASE OF A LARGE RESTAURANT FOR EXAMPLE CAN BE, CAN BE RESTRICTED ON HOW PROPERTIES CAN BE REUSED IN THE FUTURE.
THIS AREA GOT HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN IS E CENTRAL RETAIL CORE.
THE, UM, SETTING WHERE ALREADY HAS BUILT IN, WHERE THIS AREA IS EXEMPT FROM OFF STREET PARK REGULATIONS.
SO THE STAFF IS GONNA BE, UM, CHECKING OUT DIFFERENT IDEAS OF POTENTIALLY, UM, EXPANDING THIS AREA FURTHER DOWNTOWN.
SOME OTHER MECHANISMS FOR RETAINING EXISTING PARKING.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S, IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED AT THE CITY HALL LEVEL FOR YEARS THAT THE NEXT YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
UM, WE ARE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT HOW LIKE ALL OTHER CITIES IN NORTH CAROLINA WITH HISTORIC BUILDINGS AND THINGS ARE ACCOMMODATING THEIR PARTY, BECAUSE I'M GOING TO BE QUITE HONEST WITH YOU, UM, THE WAY THEY'VE BEEN ISSUING ZONING APPROVALS IN THIS DEPARTMENT FOR YEARS, I'M, I'M JUST NOT ON BOARD WITH.
AND MANY TIMES IT WAS JUST EITHER NOT GIVEN A ZONING APPROVAL, IT WAS, OH THAT'S JUST OKAY.
AND NOBODY WENT TO CHECK THE PARKING OR ANY OF THE CHANGE OF USE STANDARDS AND THAT'S GOTTA STOP RIGHT NOW.
UM, I, THE SECOND I REALIZED THAT WAS HAPPENING, I STOPPED IT.
I, I USED THE ANALOGY EARLIER, UH, PRESENTING OUR FEE CHANGES IN OUR BUDGET WITH, WE USED TO KIND OF SELL IT AS A BUFFET AND NOW IT'S GOTTA BE AN A LA CARTE CAFETERIA.
SO YOU COME IN CUZ THERE'S MANY TIMES YOU NEED A ZONING PERMIT.
YOU MAY NOT NEED A BUILDING PERMIT.
THE SIZE OF YOUR SHED MIGHT NOT REQUIRE A BILLING PERMIT, BUT IT DEFINITELY REQUIRES SETBACKS.
IT DEFINITELY, UM, REQUIRES, YOU KNOW, EXTRA THINGS LIKE THAT.
SIZE, SIZE CHECK, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
OUTFITS OF A COMMERCIAL BUILDING WERE GETTING MISSED A LOT.
JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE IN AN EXISTING BUILDING THAT'S BRAND NEW, IT MEANS BUILDING CODE DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE MEETING ALL THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS.
UM, AND, AND THAT'S ALL CONNECTED TO BUILDING CODE, ET CETERA.
AND THAT FURTHER IS EXACERBATED DOWN HERE WHEN YOU HAVE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ON TOP OF THESE THINGS AND SOMETIMES FLOOD FLOOD ZONES ON TOP OF THINGS.
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CHECKED.
AND SO WE'RE JUST SEPARATING THOSE STEPS OUT A LITTLE BIT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SINCE WE'VE STARTED DOING THIS IS WELL HOW ARE WE CALCULATING THE PARKING? BECAUSE HISTORICALLY THEY'VE BEEN KIND OF IN, OH, IT'S KIND OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THIS IS GREAT CHANGE
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THE USE TO WHATEVER, BUT YOU'VE GOT TO CHECK THAT PARKING, IT'S ZONING LAW THAT YOU HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF P SPACES PER USE.SO WE'RE NOT THE ONLY PEOPLE IN THE WORLD WITH THIS PROBLEM.
WE, WE, WE, UH, BRAINSTORMED ON THIS THE OTHER DAY LOOKING AROUND, THE EASIEST WAY TO ACCOMMODATE IT IS, UM, BECAUSE OF THE FACT THERE IS ON STREET PARKING AVAILABLE BECAUSE OF THE, THE FACT WE HAVE PUBLIC PARKING LOTS AND THE BEAR LOTS DOWN THERE.
THIS IS WORKABLE WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE PUT IN WRITING, UH, FOR THIS SOLUTION.
AND ONE OF THOSE WAYS TO DO THAT IS TO KIND OF WAVE THE DIRECT AND IT'S HAPPENING IN, IN SOME AREAS ALREADY.
WE'RE GONNA BRING YOU SOME OPTIONS OF WHERE THIS LINE SHOULD BE DRAWN FOR YOU TO WEIGH IN ON IT AND MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION.
AND THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO THIS WITH PS TO PUBLIC SPACES.
THERE'S WAYS TO JUST WAVE IT ALL TOGETHER.
I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF OPTIONS OF LOOKING, LOOKING AT WHERE OTHER PLACES HAVE WRITTEN OUT SIMILAR CODES AND UH, THIS MAY NOT, THIS MAY NOT HAPPEN IN ONE MEETING, BUT WE'RE GONNA BRING YOU THOSE THINGS AND WE'RE GONNA TALK THROUGH THIS CUZ THERE'S PROS AND CONS FROM THE DIFFERENT WAYS YOU DO THIS.
IT COULD BE A LITTLE BIT POLITICAL QUITE HONESTLY BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE IN AN AREA WHERE THIS GETS A LOT OF ATTENTION, BUT WE NEED TO FIND THE SOLUTION TO THIS.
SO SETH HAS HIS LIFE EASIER WHEN SOMEBODY'S COMING IN TO START A NEW BUSINESS DOWNTOWN, HE CAN SAY FOR SURE, YES.
UM, YOU'RE IN THIS AREA WHERE THERE'S WAVED PARKING AND JUST CHECK THAT AND MOVE ON IN THE ZONING PERMIT OR NOT.
OR REQUIRE THEM TO FIND IT SOMEWHERE ELSE BECAUSE IT'S VERY COMPLICATED WHEN YOU START REQUIRING SATELLITE RULES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHY THE INITIAL APPROACH WAS, WELL, LET'S WAIVE THIS SOME, SOME WAYS WE'VE GOTTA PAY ATTENTION.
THERE'S SOME REALLY LARGE PARCELS DOWN HERE.
WE CAN, I DON'T BELIEVE LIKE AS A PLANNER EPICALLY I COULD SAY, OH, LET'S WAIVE THE PARKING BECAUSE, UH, IN SOME OF THOSE REALLY LARGE SPACES, IT'S HIGHLY LIKELY IT'S GONNA BE A HOTEL OR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND WE CAN'T BURDEN THE REST OF DOWNTOWN WITH THAT PARKING.
BUT THESE BUSINESSES THAT HAVE HISTORICALLY ALREADY BEEN A BUSINESS CHANGING THEIR USE, I THINK THAT'S FAIR GAME.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE, THAT'S WHAT'S COMING ALSO IN ADDITION TO THE TWIN NINE PROPERTIES, MISSING ZONING MORE, MORE CLEANUP EFFORTS HERE.
SO, SO RIGHT NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAKING THE, THE, THE THE RECTANGLE BIGGER.
WELL YOU'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT.
SEE, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA FACILITATE A DISCUSSION ON WHERE THAT DISTRICT SHOULD BE.
WE'LL SHOW YOU WHERE IT IS NOW.
WE'LL SHOW YOU SOME OF THESE UNDEVELOPED PARCELS.
WE'LL NEED TO HAVE, UH, UH, ONSITE PARKING MM-HMM.
AND WE WILL, WE'LL RECOMMEND A, A MAP AND SOME TEXT WITH THAT.
WILL IT CHANGE WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE? NO.
IF SOMEONE OWNS A BED AND BREAKFAST NOW THEY HAVE TO GET PARKING OR DON'T HAVE TO HAVE PARKING WITH IT.
THIS, THIS WILL BE, UM, ON OR AF WE'LL TAKE THE DATE IT GETS ADOPTED AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND IT WILL BECOME EFFECTIVE STANDARD POST THAT DATE.
LIKE WE'VE DONE, OR Y'ALL HAVE DONE MANY OTHER CHANGES LIKE THAT.
THAT'S THE EASIEST WAY TO LEGALLY ENFORCE IT.
SO THEY ALREADY HAVE GRANDFATHERED KIND OF.
I HATE, I HATE THAT TERM, BUT YEAH.
UH, SO DOES THAT GO WITH THE, IF THEY SELL IT, DOES THAT GO TO THE NEW OWNER OR DOES THE NEW OWNER THEN HAVE TO FOLLOW THE BUSINESS? DOESN'T CHANGE, THEN THE OWNERSHIP CHANGES.
I THINK IF THEY WANT TO CHANGE THE CHANGE OF USE IS WHAT WOULD TRIGGER.
SO THAT'S OUR, THAT'S KIND OF OUR KICKER THERE.
AND DOES THIS CONTEMPLATE ANY POTENTIAL NEW STRUCTURES OR NEW PARKING THAT WOULD BE ARRANGED IN DOWNTOWN THAT I KNOW HAS BEEN DISCUSSED? THAT'S GOT, THAT'S GONNA BE PART OF, THAT'S PART THAT PART OF THE CONVERSATION.
THE GREEN BOX THAT YOU SEE IS THE LAW AS IT EXISTS IN THIS MONTH.
BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN PARKING STRUCTURES OUTSIDE THAT GREEN BOX THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED EITHER TO THE CITY OR TO COUNTY, OR AT LEAST TO THE COUNTY.
AND I, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT STANDS, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT PLAYS INTO IT.
IT'S A GOOD THING FOR THE, LET JUST ASK THIS QUESTION.
SO THEY PARKING, UH, DOWNTOWN, ARE THEY GONNA LIMIT HOW LONG? YOU CAN TELL.
SO THEY'RE GONNA KEEP IT FOR TWO HOURS LIKELY.
SO WE'RE VERY UNIQUE ALSO IN MOST PLACES WHEN HAVE A PARKING DOWNTOWN CHARGE FOR IT.
LIKE, YOU GO TO ASHEVILLE OR WILMINGTON, YOU'RE WALKING UP TO A KIOSK, YOU'RE SWIPING YOUR CREDIT CARD, YOU'RE PUNCHING IN THE SPACE THAT YOU'RE IN AND IT'S FIVE BUCKS AN HOUR OR WHATEVER.
AND WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.
UM, SO I THINK THAT'S THE TRADE OFF BETWEEN LIMITING THE TIME AND CHARGING.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S AN INTEREST IN CHARGING FOR PARKING.
AND THAT'S NOT, AND THAT'S NOT FOR US, HAS BEEN DISCUSSED.
HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF ZONING.
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SENSE.YOU WANTS TO FACILITATE IT DRIVING DOWNTOWN.
LIKE WHEN ATLANTA BEACH STARTED TO CHARGE FOR PARKING, IT WAS, THE ECONOMY WAS REALLY BAD AND IT WAS, WE GOTTA PAY FOR THE LIFEGUARD SOMEHOW TOWN RESIDENTS AREN'T PARKING IN THE CIRCLE.
PEOPLE THAT ARE VISITING ARE PARKING IN THE CIRCLE.
THAT WAS THE EQUITABLE WAY TO SAY, THIS IS HOW WE'LL CONTINUE OUR LIFEGUARD SERVICE.
WE'RE NOT THAT, WE'RE NOT REALLY, YOU KNOW, NEEDING TO MINUS TRASH PICKUP AND THINGS FROM, FROM THAT, WHICH IS MORE NOMINAL THAN, THAN PAYING EXTRA SALARIES.
BUT MARINATE ON SOME OF THESE THINGS BECAUSE THESE ARE GOOD DISCUSSION POINTS.
IF YOU'RE JUST DOWN THERE THINKING, WELL WHAT ABOUT THIS, WHAT ABOUT THIS? YOU THINKING ON THOSE THINGS.
THIS, UH, DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A COMPLETELY STRUCTURED CONVERSATION NEXT TIME, BUT WE NEED TO START HAVING IT BECAUSE WE'RE READY TO CLEAN THIS UP.
WELL I'VE, I'VE SEEN SOME CONVERSATIONS AT THE CITY LEVEL ABOUT PARKING.
CAUSE THERE ARE FOLKS THAT TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE IS A LOT OF PARKING IN DOWNTOWN NEWBURN.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S THERE, A LOT OF IT IS PRIVATE PARKING.
AND SO IS IT ENOUGH IN CERTAIN AREAS? AND SO INTERESTING.
SOME PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE WHERE THERE IS PUBLIC PARKING.
THERE'S ABOUT, AND THAT MAY BE AN OUTREACH CAMPAIGN THE CITY NEEDS TO DO IN SOCIAL MEDIA BLAST, THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT THERE'S OVER 600 PUBLIC NON-LEASE PUBLIC AVAILABLE TO ANYONE FOR TWO HOUR SPACES DOWN THERE, WHICH IS VERY HIGH FOR THE AMOUNT OF REAL ESTATE.
SO WE JUST NEED TO FIGURE OUT THE WAY TO, TO WRITE IT INTO THE CODE.
SO HAVE Y'ALL DISCUSSED ABOUT INSTALLING LEADERS? THAT'S OUT OF THE PURVIEW OF A US SERVICE, AN ADVISORY BOARD AND STAFF.
BUT I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A CONVERSATION THE CITY'S INTERESTED IN HAVING RIGHT NOW.
NO, WE, I'M ASKING THESE QUESTIONS.
I'M LIVE IN NEW YORK AND I KNOW IS PARK IS CRAZY.
NEWBURN USED TO CHARGE FOR PARK.
THAT CORRECT? THERE USED TO BE METERS IN DOWNTOWN NEW.
SO YES, YOU GOT OUT AND PUT YOUR MONEY IN.
IS IT BOER WHO, UM, USES THEIR ONLY DURING THE PEAK SEASON TO PAY FOR A LOT OF STUFF? YES.
HAS THE SAME, ACTUALLY LET ASK ANOTHER QUESTION TWO.
WHEN YOU TALK DOWNTOWN, WHAT DO THEY DO WHEN THEY GIVE YOU A TICKET? FOR HOW MUCH? I THINK IT'S 25 BUCKS.
I THINK THE FIRST OFFENSE IS A WARNING.
AND THEN THEREAFTER YOU CAN BE CITED FOR 25.
I'M NOT MISTAKEN, BUT THERE, THERE WAS A FEE ASSOCIATED WITH
MY BOSS GETS LONG WINDED AND I'M DOWN THERE LIKE TWO HOURS.
IT WOULD'VE BEEN, YOU'RE LIKE LOOKING OUT THE WINDOW LIKE YEAH.
UH, ONE MORE THING IF YOU DON'T MIND.
UM, WE DID, UH, IN OUR, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN HERE, I'VE BEEN IN A BUDGET MEETING ALL DAY TO DAY AND GOING BACK TOMORROW.
BUT WE REQUESTED FUNDS TO START A COMPLETE REWRITE OF OUR LAND USE ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY OF NEWMAR.
IT IS A MASSIVE, MASSIVE, MASSIVE PROJECT.
UM, IT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE STATE STATUTES AND IT'S GOING TO BE A MULTI-YEAR PROJECT.
AND THIS IS HIGHLY LIKELY THE BOARD THAT'S GONNA END UP SERVING AS THE ADVISORY BOARD FOR THIS, UM, THIS PROJECT.
I MEAN, BY LAW YOU MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN, BUT IF WE ARE BUDGETED THE, THE MONEY TO THIS IS A CONSULTANT PROJECT, THIS IS NOT, THIS NEEDS A PROFESSIONAL CODE WRITER.
UM, LAWSUITS ARE ONE AND LOST LITIGATION ALL THE TIME ON THESE CODES NOW.
AND THAT'S JUST THE WORLD THAT WE LIVE IN.
SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN JUST, THIS IS WHAT WE THINK WOULD BE GREAT IN NEWBURN.
IT NEEDS TO BE DONE REALLY WELL.
IT ALL NEEDS TO WORK TOGETHER.
IT NEEDS TO BE CURRENT CODES LIKE THIS ARE CROSS REFERENCE.
THEY'RE EASY TO USE, THEY'RE VERY EASY TO AMEND.
AND THAT'S JUST NOT WHERE WE FIND OURSELF USING OURS RIGHT NOW.
AND IT'S JUST, IT NEEDS TO BE MODERNIZED.
THERE'S SO MANY MISSING DEFINITIONS AND LAND USES THAT HAVE COME ABOUT IN THE LAST, I'D EVEN SAY 40 YEARS THAT NEED TO BE ACCOMMODATED IN HERE.
AND IT NEEDS TO BE CLEANED UP FOR, FROM WHERE IT'S BEEN KIND OF PIECE SCALE, UM, AMENDED JUST, JUST FOR DECADES.
THESE THINGS HAVE A LIFE CYCLE OF 10 YEARS.
AND UM, IT'S KIND OF A, A NUMBER ONE PRIORITY FOR US TO OPERATE BETTER.
AND I THINK IT'S AN
BUT IF YOU PAINT A, A SCENARIO OF THIS IS WHERE WE ARE AND THIS IS WHERE WE WANT TO BE, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF WORK IN THERE.
AND THERE'S GONNA BE A WHOLE LOT OF POLITICAL CONVERSATIONS
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TOO.SO I'M JUST THE, THE NEWS TONIGHT,
THEY, UM, THEY SEE THE VALUE WHEN THEY WERE HAVING SOME WORK SESSIONS, THE ELECTED OFFICIALS OF NEEDING, UH, DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE TEETH.
WE HAVE A LOT OF PLANS IN THE OF NEW RIGHT.
PLANS ARE OUR DREAMS, ORDINANCES ARE LAWS.
AND SO SOME OF THOSE, SOME OF THE GOOD PLANNING WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT IN AND SOMEHOW OVERLAID IN AN ORDINANCE WHERE IT'S LAW.
WE'RE JUST ALSO UNIQUE IN THAT EVERY SINGLE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS IN ONE PLACE.
AND SO I'M GONNA HAVE THE FUN CHALLENGE OF DECIDING, DO WE WANT TO SEPARATE THIS INTO SEVERAL DIFFERENT ORDINANCES, KIND OF REMOVE BUILDING CODE, STEP H HPC REGULATIONS OUT, THEY ALL WORK TOGETHER.
BUT AT SOME POINT IN TIME TO GET A GOOD PLAN OF WHERE, WHERE WE'RE GOING, UM, I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT ZONING AND ZONING DEFINITIONS AND REGULATIONS FIRST.
AND THEN MAYBE EVEN AS A GROUP WE HAVE A CONVERSATION ON WHAT IS THE LOGICAL WAY TO DO THIS NEXT.
AND JAMIE SEES SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE HAVING USING WITH A REALLY OLD ORDINANCES AND CAN PROBABLY HELP WEIGH IN, UH, PROFESSIONALLY ON WHICH PARTS ARE ARE MOST IMPORTANT TO KNOCK OUT FIRST TOO.
BUT ANOTHER THING TO BE MARINATING ON, UM, JUST WHILE YOU'RE OUT AND ABOUT IS IT'S, IT'S A REALLY BIG PROJECT IS GONNA BE SOMETHING WE CAN BE REALLY PROUD OF WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH IT.
UM, A TANGIBLE, HUGE ACCOMPLISHMENT.
BUT, UM, EITHER THE FIRST STUDIO IN ATLANTIC BEACH, I JUST FINISHED, UH, ALL FOUR SEPARATED ORDINANCES IN OSLO COUNTY.
IT'S A, IT'S A LOT OF WORK, BUT THIS IS WHERE WE GET TO PUT IN NEW FRESH POLICIES AND THINGS AND DECIDE, OKAY, IN THIS ZONING DISTRICT, MAYBE WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THIS DIFFERENT.
AND HE'LL BE LOOKING AT HOW THEY DO THINGS IN DIFFERENT PLACES.
THAT'S WHERE IT'S REALLY GOOD TO HAVE A MIX OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIVED ALL OVER AND PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOREVER.
BECAUSE YOU CAN, YOU HAVE TO FIND THAT, THAT BALANCE OF THIS IS WHAT MAKES NEWBERG NEWBURN, BUT I'VE SEEN THIS WORK REALLY GREAT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SO HAS THE MONEY BEEN APPROPRIATED BY THE BOARD OF MENT YET TO DO THIS? NOPE.
WE, UH, BECAUSE I REMEMBER THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT THE MEETING AGO.
SO WE ALL GET TO THAT CONVERSATION TOMORROW.
OF COURSE THEY WILL, THEY'LL HAVE, THEY'LL CALL FOR A BUDGET HEARING REALLY SOON.
I DO THINK THAT THERE IS THE MOMENTUM BEHIND THIS PROJECT, UH, THAT IT WILL, WILL STAY IN, UM, AND GET IN THE ADAPTIVE BUDGET.
UH, AND THEN ONCE YOU DO A PROJECT LIKE THIS, YOU HAVE TO CIRCLE BACK AND USUALLY UPDATE YOUR LAND USE PLAN AGAIN.
AND IT, BECAUSE IT ALL, IT'S ALL SUPPOSED TO WORK TOGETHER.
AND THEN IT'S ALSO GONNA COME WITH A REALLY GOOD DEEP DIVE LOOK AT OUR ZONING MAP, WHICH IS ALWAYS THE POLITICAL FIRE.
SO, UM, HOW DOES THIS BOARD HELP YOU IU THE CITY DO THAT? YOU DID IT DOWN IN
WHAT? SO, SO WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF STATE LAW CHANGES AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA START WITH BECAUSE THE STATE CHANGED NOT ONLY REFERENCES TO THESE POLICIES IN, IN THE STATE STATUTES, BUT THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF CONTENT THAT CHANGED TOO.
AND ACTUALLY FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS WE'RE STARTING TO SEE HOW IT'S PLAYED OUT AND WE'LL PROBABLY START SEEING SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THAT.
BUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS, UM, IF THAT MONEY GETS APPROPRIATED, WE WILL PUT OUT A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS, UM, AND CALL IN REVIEW THOSE.
CALL IN SOME FIRMS, INTERVIEW THEM.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME TO HAVE ONE THAT'S NOT A PLANNING FIRM THAT'S NOT JUST GOOD AT MAKING PLANS BUT IS GOOD AT CODE WRITING.
UM, SO THAT'S THE WAY I LIKE TO LEAN.
I LIKE BLACK AND WHITE ORDINANCES.
I LIKE HIM TO BE ABLE TO SAY YOU NEED 10 PARKING SPACES.
THIS IS WHERE IT SAYS IT, IT'S BLACK AND WHITE.
THAT'S THE KIND OF PRODUCT THAT, THAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
THERE'S A LOT OF AMBIGUITY IN OUR CODES RIGHT NOW THAT NEEDS TO GO.
IT'S, IT'S TOO DANGEROUS AND HARD TO USE.
SO ONCE THAT HAPPENS, UM, TYPICALLY JURISDICTIONS WILL EITHER APPOINT A COMMITTEE OR THEY WILL JUST DEFAULT TO THE PLANNING OR PLANNING AND ZONING A BOARD TO SERVE AS THAT COMMITTEE.
I THINK IN OUR CASE, UH, IT WOULD BE COMPLETELY APPROPRIATE THAT WE USE YOU ALL.
YOU'RE ALREADY HERE, YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH LAND USE ISSUES, WHY NOT? UM, AND SO I WOULD ADVOCATE FOR THAT.
RATHER THAN STARTING AN ADDITIONAL COMMITTEE.
NEW BURN HAS PLENTY OF COMMITTEES.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED ANOTHER ONE.
AND HONESTLY IF WE WERE DRAWING AND LOOKING FOR VOLUNTEERS TO DO THAT, THEY'D PROBABLY BE DRAWING ON ALL OF YOU GUYS NOW.
AND THEN WE WOULD BRING THE CONSULTANT IN AND ASK THEM TO HAVE A KICKOFF MEETING AND THEY WOULD SAY, THIS IS OUR TYPICAL PROCESS.
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WOULD HAVE ALREADY SAT DOWN AND STUFF AND PROBABLY, UM, OUR ATTORNEYS AS WELL AND TALKED THROUGH, THESE ARE OUR BIG ISSUES AND THIS IS WHAT WE WANNA FIX FIRST.AND THEY'D PROBABLY COME DOWN AND WE'D HAVE A LENGTHY WORK SESSION ABOUT THE TOPICS I HAVE PRE INTRODUCED THEM AND THEY WOULD KIND OF PICK ALL YOUR BRAINS AND YOU HAVE BRAINSTORMING SESSIONS AND YOU KIND OF TICK OFF UM, TOPICS LIKE THAT AND CODES THAT YOU NEED A FEW AT A TIME.
AND THEN THEY COME BACK, THEY TAKE THAT INFORMATION, THEY GO HOME, THEY DRAFT IT UP, UH, HOWEVER MANY WE ASK AT A TIME.
THIS WILL BE VERY PIECEMEAL FOR US CUZ THERE'S SO MUCH TO DO.
THAT WOULD BE THE THE WAY I'D ADVOCATE FOR.
UM, WE COME BACK AND WE LIKE REVIEW WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO US AND THEN SEND THEM BACK WITH THAT FEEDBACK AND YOU JUST TAKE IT OFF LIKE THAT.
AND THEN OF COURSE THERE'D BE, UH, PUBLIC OUTREACH AND PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT WOULD BE NEEDED AT THE END.
AND THEN ULTIMATELY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS WE WOULD DO A REPEAL AND REPLACE, UH, WHERE ALL THE CODES THAT WE'VE REPLACED GET STRUCK OUT OF OUR, OUR CURRENT CODE.
AND IN BEAUTY CODE, WHICH IS PROBABLY WHERE YOU GO TO LOOK AT IT.
AND THEN IN ORDINANCES, I LIKE WE WRITE UP AN ORDINANCE ADOPTING THE NEW LAND USE ORDINANCE AND THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD ADOPT.
SO THAT'S IN A NUTSHELL, ME TALKING VERY FAST.
THE PROCESS WE HAVE TO LOOK FORWARD TO.
JUST SIMILAR TO THE SAME PROCESS WE DID WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE OTHER A YEAR AGO.
SIMILAR TO THE AMENDMENT PROCESS.
EXCEPT WE'RE NOT WORRYING ABOUT WHAT'S THERE.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE THAT APPROACH HONESTLY.
I THINK WE NEED TO HONESTLY SAY THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO LOOK LIKE AND THIS IS HOW WE'RE GONNA GET THERE.
AND THE, THE CODES THAT APPLY OUT IN WEST NEWBURN ARE NOT THE SAME CODES THAT NEED TO APPLY DOWN HERE.
AND WE MAKE THEM NICE AND NEAT AND CLEAN AND WELL WRITTEN AND GROW FROM THERE RATHER THAN KIND OF THE MUMBO JUMBO THAT WE GOT NOW AND, AND ALL, IF I'M NOT, THIS WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
IT'S JUST NOT USUALLY ALLOWED TO HAPPEN FOR THIS LONG.
AND IT'S REALLY, REALLY, REALLY TIME.
WE'VE GOT TOO MANY QUESTIONS GOING ON AND THE BOUNDARIES MOVING OUT.
THE STATE KEEPS TALKING ABOUT.
WE MIGHT NOT EVEN HAVE EJS AT SOME POINT.
THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT AND, AND WHERE, WHERE DO WE WANT THE BOUNDARY TO DO? WHEREAS AS AN ADVISORY BOARD ON LAND USE, DO WE THINK IS APPROPRIATE.
HEARING ALL OF THAT, DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY CONCERNS, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON DOING WORK? AS YOU SIT, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE A, A LOT OF IT'S SH SHARING YOUR IDEAS AND THOUGHTS AND FEELINGS AND GIVING THAT FEEDBACK TO SOMEBODY THAT'S GONNA TAKE THERE AND PUT IT TOGETHER.
IF, I GUESS I'M ASKING YOU, DOES ANYBODY HAVE YEAH, IF IT'S, IF IT'S OVER COMMITMENT BEFORE WE START THIS, THAT, THAT WAS, THAT WAS WHERE I WAS DRIVING AND I PROBABLY GUESS IF WE GOT THE MONEY IT WILL PROBABLY TAKE UNTIL OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER TO ACTUALLY GET THIS STARTED BECAUSE IT TAKES TIME TO LOOK AT THOSE CONSULTANTS, GET A CONTRACT, SIGNED, ALL, ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
BUT WE'LL WORRY ABOUT THAT THEN.
UM, IT PROBABLY AS A CHAIR PERSON, I MAY EVEN BRING YOU IN WHEN I'M TALKING TO THE CONSULTANTS TO MAKE SURE IT'S SOMEBODY THAT HE FEELS A GOOD FIT TO WORK WITH THIS BOARD.
DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE WE'D LIKE TO DISCUSS HEARING THEN AT THIS TIME I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND.
ANY OPPOSED? WE ARE ADJOURNED.