May 17, 2023 Historic Preservation Commission

LAST THING.

[1. Opening of Meeting with Roll Call]

WE'RE GOOD TO GO.

I'D LIKE TO CALL A MEETING OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION TO ORDER.

PRESENT JIM MORRISON.

AND MOLLY BALES HERE.

WE HAVE A QUORUM.

[2. Adjustments to the Agenda]

ADJUSTMENTS TO THE AGENDA.

I HAVE TWO.

AND THAT IS THAT THE APPLICATIONS HAVE BEEN WITHDRAWN FOR ITEMS FOUR C AND 4D 100 MIDDLE AND TWO OR SEVEN 10 NEWS STREET.

I'D LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

WE APPROVE THE AGENDA WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THOSE ITEMS. SO IS IT APPROVED FIRST? APPROVE.

MOVE.

AND SECOND.

WE, UH, UH, AMEND THE, APPROVE THE AGENDA WITH THE EXCEPTIONS OF FOUR C AND FOUR D.

OPPOSED? NONE.

[3. Consent Agenda]

WE HAVE THE CONSENT AGENDA, UH, NEXT.

AND, AND I ASSUME ALL OF THOSE ITEMS HAVE BEEN OKAY.

HOLD ON ONE SECOND.

CAN YOU HEAR BACK THERE? OH, NO TV, HUH? OKAY.

WE'RE ONLY ON NUMBER TWO.

IT'S, YOU WANT IT BIGGER? THOSE WERE JUST THE WRITTEN DECISIONS.

SORRY.

IT'S, IT'S BRAND NEW IN THE AGENDA, SO IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE.

SO WE HAD A MOTION BY GREGORY CRUSH AND A SECOND BY RUTH COX.

CORRECT.

THAT WAS THE ADJUSTMENTS OF THE AGENDA, AND THAT WAS, UM, UNANIMOUS.

NOW, ASSUMING EVERYBODY'S HAD AN, AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE APPROVAL AND THE, AND THE WRITTEN DECISIONS, UH, OR WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA SHALL MOVE.

MOVED AND SECONDED TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.

ALL IN FAVOR, STATE AYE.

OPPOSED? HEARING NONE.

I HAVE A BRIEF INTRODUCTION.

[4A. Hearings: Introduction, Swearing-In, Summary of Process]

SHORT PRESERVATION COMMISSION IS A PUBLIC COMMISSION APPOINTED BY THE CITY OF NEW BURNS BOARD OF ALDERMAN.

IT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR PRESERVING AND SAFEGUARDING NEW BURN'S, LOCALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICTS, DOWNTOWN AND RIVERSIDE BASED ON US DEPARTMENT OF MATERIAL STANDARDS.

STATE STATUTES, CITY ORDINANCES, DOVERS.

HISTORIC GUIDELINES.

TWO OF THE MAJOR TASKS OF THE HPC INCLUDE PROVING APPLICATIONS FOR A CERTIFICATE, APPROPRIATENESS, AND PREVENTING DEMOLITION OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES DUE TO NEGLECT.

THE HPC HOLDS QUASI JUDICIAL HEARINGS ON A, ON THE, ON AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS COMMISSION HERE SWORN TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT, BY PARTIES WHO RECEIVE NOTICE OF THE HEARING AND BY OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT EVIDENCE AND ARE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THE APPLICATION COMMISSION.

CANNOT EX CONSIDER COMMENTS BASED ON PERSONAL LIKES AND DISLIKES, HEARSAY OR PERSONAL OPINION THAT CANNOT BE DIRECTLY RELATED TO SPECIFIC HISTORIC GUIDELINES.

AND LIKEWISE, THE COMMISSIONERS WILL REFRAIN FROM STATING PERSONAL OPINIONS, PERSONAL LIKES OR DISLIKES, OR HEARSAY DURING THE HEARING.

AND OUR DECISIONS ARE BASED ON THE APPLICATION AND TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE AT THE HEARING THAT DIRECTLY RELATE TO THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES.

CAN WE SWEAR IN OUR PRESENTERS? YES.

ANYONE WHO WISHES SPEAK.

[4B. 305 North Ave. – to include a new infill house. This application was continued from the previous Regular Meeting.]

THE FIRST ITEM WE HAVE IS 3 0 5 NORTH AVENUE.

I DON'T SEE A PERSON HERE REPRESENTING THAT.

NO, THAT'S CORRECT.

UM, UH, THEY'RE NOT READY.

SO THEY WILL BE READY AT THE DESIGN REVIEW MEETING, HOWEVER,

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IS THIS ONE RUNNING CLOSE TO THE TIMELINE IN TERMS OF THE SIX MONTHS? WE NEED TO ACT IN JUNE.

WE NEED TO ACT IN JUNE, NOT TONIGHT.

AND DO THEY UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS WITH THEM.

UH, THE STAFF WILL DISCUSS WITH THEM WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN EXTENDING THE DEADLINE.

SO DO WE CONTINUE THIS THEN? THAT WOULD BE IT BE APPROPRIATE.

UH, OKAY.

SO WE'LL NEED A MOTION TO CONTINUE 3 0 5 NORTH AVENUE TO THE JUNE MEETING, WHICH IS ON, UH, 21ST.

FIRST JUNE 21.

JUNE 21, 21 FOR THE REASON OF NON PREPAREDNESS OF THE APPLICANT.

UH, MR. FIVE 30 IN THE, AT FIVE 30 IN THE EVENING AFTERNOON.

IN THIS, IN THIS HERE COURTROOM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I, I, UH, WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CONTINUE THIS MEETING TILL JUNE 21ST.

OUR REGULAR, WHICH IS A REGULAR MEETING AT FIVE 30 CITY HALL CONFERENCE ROOM.

UH, CAUSE WE DO NOT YET HAVE THE INFORMATION ON THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, IN ORDER TO MAKE A DECISION.

SECOND, UH, WAIT, THAT'S TO CONTINUE THE APPLICATION FOR 3 0 5 NORTH AVENUE.

UH, 3 0 5 NORTH AVENUE.

NO, NO.

THE APPLICATION.

YOU SAID MEETING APPLICATION.

I'D LIKE TO CONTINUE THE APPLIC, THE, THE APPLICATION FOR 3 0 5 NORTH AVENUE, UH, AT THE REGULAR MEETING ON JUNE 21ST AT FIVE 30.

CITY HALL CONFERENCE ROOM.

JUSTIFICATION IS THAT WE DO NOT YET HAVE THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, FOR, UH, FOR THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, SINCE THIS IS A DEV, SINCE THIS IS A DEMOLITION AND REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT.

IS THAT TWO? SECOND? SECOND.

THEN WE'RE READY FOR 5 21 HANCOCK STREET.

OPPOSED? VERY NONE.

THAT ONE'S CONTINUED,

[4E. 521 Hancock St. – to include fully enclosing lower and upper rear screened porches in the Primary and Secondary AVCs.]

UM, THIS WILL TAKE SOME, OKAY.

UH, THIS IS THE APPLICATION FOR 5 21 HANCOCK STREET.

UH, THE APPLICATION IS BY LUCIAN BON OF TAR HILL ASSOCIATES, UH, FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS, MATT, JESSICA CONARD, UH, AND THE RESPONSES ARE ALL ATTACHED.

THEN WE HAVE APPROPRIATE SIGNATURE AND DATE ON THE APPLICATION.

AND THIS IS THE DOCUMENT WHICH, UH, AUTHORIZES MR. VAUGHN TO REPRESENT THE OWNERS.

AND IT IS DULY NOTARIZED.

ALL OF THE, THE GUIDELINES THEY FOUND TO BE RELEVANT TO THIS.

SO THIS GIVES YOU, UH, THIS, THESE ARE IMAGES OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, NOT REALLY RELEVANT, DIRECTLY RELEVANT TO THIS PROJECT.

UM, AND THIS IS THE CORE COOK HOUSE.

UM, NOW FOR THE SIDE, THE RIGHT SIDE OR THE, UM, EAST SIDE, LET'S SEE.

THAT'S THE NORTH SIDE.

NORTH SIDE.

NORTH SIDE, YEP.

UH, AND WE SEE IT HERE, OBLIQUELY WITH THE FENCING.

AND THEN FROM THE STREET, UH, STRAIGHT ON, THIS IS STILL THE RIGHT SIDE.

UH, PARTICULAR NOTE IS AT THE REAR OF THE HOUSE IS A TWO STORY SCREEN.

TWO, TWO SCREENED PORCHES STACKED ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.

UM, SO THE APPLICANTS ALSO PROVIDED, UM, UH, EXCERPTS FROM THE SANDECK, UH, BOOK, WHICH WERE SHOWN HERE.

AND THIS IS ACTUALLY A PHOTO OF WHERE IT USED TO LOCATION, WHERE IT USED TO BE, UH, BEFORE IT WAS MOVED TO ITS CURRENT LOCATION.

SO HERE'S THE ATTACHED DOCUMENTATION ABOUT THE DESCRIPTION OF THE WORK, AND THOSE ARE THE ELEMENTS TO REMAIN.

AND THESE ELEMENTS TO BE RELOCATED.

SOME DISPOSED, SOME SALVAGED.

UM, A LIST OF MATERIALS INCLUDE EXTERIOR WINDOWS, EXTERIOR DOOR SIDING, VAN FAIA, SOPHIC CASINGS, AND FREEZE.

UH, THE SIDE STOOP, FRAMINGS, SIDE STOOP LANDINGS, SIDE STOOP RAILINGS AND POSTS, AND SIDE STOOP, FOUNDATION, SCREEN SIDE, STOOP, METAL, ROOFING, SHUTTERS, AND STORM WINDOWS.

SO THEY'VE ALSO INCLUDED

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WE'LL JUST SKIP OVER THAT CAUSE WE GO INTO THAT LATER.

THEN, UH, NOW WE HAVE MORE PHOTOGRAPHS, UH, MORE DIRECTLY SHOWING THE ACTUAL AREA OF THE PROJECT.

SO AGAIN, UH, THE TWO STORY, UH, SCREENED IN PORCHES.

UH, AND IN THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, THE PROPOSAL IS TO ENCLOSE, SO BASICALLY REMOVE THE SCREENS AND THE HANDRAILS AND ENCLOSES THE BOTH OF THOSE SPACES AS INTERIOR SPACES.

SO FRONT ON REAR VIEW, AND THEN A, UH, A DETAIL OF THE CORNER SHOWING THE FLOORING AND THE POSTS AND THE FOUNDATION.

UH, AND AGAIN, THE SAME CORNER, SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT ANGLE.

AND THEN LOOKING ON THE RIGHT IS ALONG THE BACK SIDE OF THE ENTIRE PORCH STRUCTURE, ROUND LEVEL.

THEN THIS ON THE LEFT IS THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

UH, SO WHAT'S CALLED THE LEFT SIDE OR A SOUTH SIDE.

AND THE PORCHES ARE ON THE LEFT.

UH, NOTE, THERE IS A DOORWAY ON THIS SIDE.

UH, THAT DOORWAY IS TO BE CLOSED IN AS PART OF THE ENCLOSURE AND A NEW DOORWAY INSTALLED ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE.

CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME WITH, UH, NOISE IN THE BACKGROUND? UH, OKAY.

SO THEN THIS IS, UH, THE SOUTH SIDE, UM, A PORTION OF THE HOUSE THERE SHOWING SOME OF THE CHARACTER OF THAT SIDE.

AND THEN A CLOSED BOARD, CLOSE UP VIEW OF THE STAIRWAY COMING OUT THE BACK, OUT OF THE BACK PORCH AGAIN, A COUPLE MORE VIEWS OF THAT.

UH, THE PHOTO ON THE LEFT THOUGH DOES INCLUDE AN IMAGE OF THE WINDOWS THAT ARE ON THE, UH, WEST ELEVATION, UH, THAT ARE TO REMAIN.

AND WE HAVE SOME VIEWS INSIDE THE, UH, PORCH, WHICH, UH, UM, HAS SOME, HAS THIS DOOR ON THE FIRST LEVEL.

AND THEN LOOKING TO THE LEFT, THERE IS A SMALL WINDOW THAT'S OVER THE KITCHEN SINK.

UM, AND THEN THIS IS THE DOOR FROM THE INSIDE AND THE SINK WINDOW FROM THE INSIDE.

AND THEN THE SECOND FLOOR ALSO HAS A DOOR, OF COURSE, OUT TO THE PORCH.

AND THEN TWO SETS OF WINDOWS.

UM, ONE IS A TRIPLE, WHICH IS ON THE RIGHT, AND THEN A SINGLE ON THE LEFT.

UP BELOW ON THE FIRST FLOOR.

THAT DOES IT FOR ALL THE PHOTOS.

THEN, UH, THIS IS, UM, SITE PLAN VIEW.

SO HANCOCK STREET IS, WELL, I GUESS WE'LL START OUT BIT FIRST.

SO SHOWING YOU THE ENTIRE SITE WITH HANCOCK STREET ON THE RIGHT AND JOHNSON STREET ON THE TOP.

UH, THE, ALL THE WORK IS BEING DONE HERE ON THE LEFT OR, UH, AND NORTHWESTERN SIDE OF THE, UH, HOUSE.

AND LET'S SEE.

AND WE'VE, UH, STAFF HAS PROVIDED AN AERIAL VIEW, UH, OF THAT SAME, UH, LOCATION, THE SAME PROPERTY, IN CASE WE WANT TO REFERENCE THAT.

UH, AND LET'S SEE.

SO NOW, UH, THE HOUSE HAS BEEN TURNED 90 DEGREES FOR DRAWING PURPOSES.

AND SO ON THE LEFT IS THE EXISTING, UH, UH, SHOWS A FLOOR PLAN OF THE EXISTING SCREEN PORCH ON THE FIRST FLOOR AT THE TOP HERE.

AND THEN THE REST OF THIS IS INTERIOR WORK, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF REMOVING, UH, AN EXTERIOR WALL, UH, WHICH INCLUDES THEN THAT, UH, THE ONE DOORWAY IN THE KITCHEN WINDOW, FOR EXAMPLE.

AND THEN THIS IS THE NEW PLAN WHERE THE PORCH IS ENCLOSED.

AND, UH, UH, IT SHOWS, UH, A PAIR OF, UH, WELL, SO TWO PAIRS OF WINDOWS AT THE TOP WERE THE, UM, WEST SIDE, AND THEN ANOTHER WINDOW ON THE SOUTH, ON THE NORTH SIDE, AND A NEW DOOR AND STOOP, UH, ON THE NORTH SIDE DOWN.

PUT THIS OVER DOWN.

SO THE NEXT ONE SHOULD BE THE SECOND FLOOR.

SAME THING ON THE SECOND FLOOR.

UH, LESS OF THE WALL IS REMOVED.

AND THIS IS THE, UM, EXISTING SCREEN PORCH WITH THE STAIRS ARE JUST SHOWN AS SOMETHING THAT SHOWS

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THAT'S NOT A SECOND SET OF STAIRS.

AND THEN ON THIS ONE, THEY'RE ALSO A, UH, ENCLOSING THAT SCREENED IN PORCH, UH, FOR A NEW BEDROOM.

AND THERE ARE THE EQUIVALENT WINDOWS ON THE BACK ON THE WEST, UH, A WINDOW ON THE NORTH AND A WINDOW ON THE SOUTH.

UM, THE, UH, AND NEW DOORS ARE BEING CUT THROUGH THE EXISTING, UH, UH, EXTERIOR WALL.

SO LET'S MOVE DOWN.

OKAY, SO THIS IS NOW A SERIES OF ELEVATIONS.

THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, SO THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.

MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT SMALLER SO WE CAN GET THE WHOLE THING SPECIAL FOR THE NEXT ONES.

ALRIGHT, AND THEN, OKAY, SO THIS IS THEN THE RIGHT SIDE OR THE NORTH SIDE.

AND WE SEE THE EXISTING SCREEN PORCH HERE ON THE RIGHT.

THEN THE NEXT IMAGE IS BELOW THAT IS THE CHANGE.

SO IN CLOSING THAT, ADDING THE WINDOWS ON THE SECOND AND THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE DOOR AND THE STOOP, UM, IT, THE ACTUAL, THE ROOF ITSELF DOES NOT CHANGE.

SO WE'LL GO BACK UP AND SHOW YOU THAT AGAIN.

THE ROOF IS THIS, UH, OID SHAPE IN THIS VIEW.

OOPS.

AND IT IS ON THE NEW ELEVATION AS WELL.

SO THE ROOF DOES NOT CHANGE.

SO AGAIN, FROM THE BACK, HERE'S THE EXISTING AND THEN THE PROPOSED.

AND HERE YOU CAN SEE IN ADDITION TO THE FOUR PAIRS OF WINDOWS, UM, YOU CAN SEE THE SIDE ON VIEW OF THE STOOP, UH, ROOF AND THE STUPID SELF.

AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT, UH, ONE WINDOW THAT I MENTIONED ON THE, THAT'S EXISTING THAT YOU COULD SEE IN THE PHOTO WITH THE, UH, STAIR, THE FORMERS OF THE OLD STAIRWAY, UM, THAT IT IS STILL THERE AND REMAINS THE SAME.

SHOW THAT TO YOU UP HERE THERE'S THE STAIRWAY, AND THAT WAS THAT DOUBLE WINDOW THAT WAS IN THE ONE PHOTOGRAPH.

SO NO CHANGE TO THAT.

AND THEN FINALLY THE LEFT SIDE OR SOUTH ELEVATION IS SHOWN HERE WITH, UH, THE FORM, THE CURRENT, UH, SCREEN DOOR OUT THE PORCH ON THE LEFT, AND THEN ALL OF THE WINDOWS AND SHUTTERS AND MAIN ENTRANCE AND EVERYTHING SHOWN HERE AS WELL.

AND THEN THE CHANGE IS THE ENCLOSURE HERE WITH, UH, THE ONE WINDOW AT THE TOP.

AND OF COURSE THE STAIRWAY IS GONE.

AND THEN WE HAVE OUR ZONING AND INSPECTION REPORT, UH, HERE, WHICH, UH, INDICATES THAT THE, UH, LA UH, LAND USE ADMINISTRATOR, ZONING ADMINISTRATOR HAS INDICATED THAT IT NEEDS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE.

AND THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR HAS INDICATED THAT IT WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.

AND THEN WE ARE READY WITH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT? WISH VOLUNTARY ASSOCIATES? I WOULD JUST COMMENT ON THE WINDOWS.

THAT WAS THE SUBJECT THAT CAME UP.

DESIGN REVIEWED THAT, THAT IT JUST DIDN'T LOOK LIKE THERE WERE, OKAY.

UM, YOU WILL NEED TO SPEAK UP A LOT MORE CAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF BACKGROUND.

IS THAT ONE ON OR DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT.

ALRIGHT.

GONNA ADDRESS THE WINDOW ISSUE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT DESIGN REVIEW RELATIVE TO HOW IT SHOWS UP ON THE ELEVATIONS, THE LEFT ELEVATION, AND AGAIN ON THE RIGHT ELEVATION.

IF WE CAN GO TO THAT.

HERE'S THE LEFT ELEVATION.

THE RIGHT OF THE NORTH ELEVATION.

SO, UM, THE, THE NEW WINDOW THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN, UH, WE'RE GONNA UTILIZE THE EXISTING PORCH BEAM ALL THE WAY AROUND.

IN FACT, THE EXIST THAT WILL BE THE HEADER AND THAT WILL IN FACT THEN BE AS HIGH AS THAT WINDOW CAN BE RAISED.

SO WE LOOKED INTO THAT TO SEE IF WE COULD KEEP THAT AT PAR, UH, AS FAR AS THE HEIGHTS OF THE WINDOW.

UM, AND THEN THE SAME THING APPLIES TO THE OTHER ELEVATION, UH, WHICH WOULD BE

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THAT WINDOW WAS PUSHED UP AS HIGH AS WE COULD PUSH UP WITHOUT RECONSTRUCTING TAKING OUT THAT BEAM.

THAT WAS MY, SO, OKAY.

ANY QUESTIONS? SO THOSE AREN'T MY PEOPLE.

THOSE ARE NOT HIS PEOPLE.

WE'RE NOT TRYING TO TELL YOU THAT YOU'RE DONE BEFORE.

YOU'RE DONE .

ANYTHING ELSE? ANYTHING ELSE? NOTHING.

IS THIS THE POINT WHERE I ASK ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC INPUTS ON THIS? YEAH, I, I BELIEVE SO.

YOU SHOULD HAVE YOUR CHECKLIST THERE.

I DO, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY ON IT.

UH, ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO, WHO HAVE STANDING WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THIS PROJECT? HEARING NONE ARE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS, I'M SORRY.

ANY STATE OR FEDERAL ORGANIZATIONS? I CAN'T HEAR YOU.

ANY STATE OR FEDERAL ORGANIZATIONS THAT MIGHT WANT TO COMMENT? OH, ANY, UH, STATE OR FEDERAL ORGANIZATIONS LIKE TO COMMENT? HEARING NONE.

WE'RE READY.

SO HERE'S OUR RECOMMENDATION.

THE FOR 5 21 HANCOCK STREET, THE APPLICANTS MATT JESSICA CONARD AND LUCIAN VAUGHN.

UH, THIS, THIS IS THE CORE COOK HOUSE, UH, BUILT CIRCA 1790, UH, 1822, MAJOR REMODEL IN ADDITION, 1850 AGAIN.

AND THEN 1981, IT WAS MOVED, UH, TO THIS LOCATION.

SO THIS IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY DESCRIPTION FROM 2003 INDICATES IT WAS MOVED FROM FOUR 11 TO FOUR 15 CRAVEN STREET IN 1981.

IT IS TWO AND A HALF STORIES ELLAN, FOUR BAYS WIDE GIN, HIP ROOFS, AND INTERIOR CHIMNEYS.

THE SANDECK DESCRIPTION FROM 1988, THE RELEVANT PASSAGES ARE, IT WAS SUBSEQUENTLY ENLARGED IN CIRCA 1850 WITH A TWO-STORY SIDE ADDITION AND A HANDSOME FRONT PORCH.

UH, MY COMMENT IS THIS IS APPARENTLY THE ADDITION ON THE LEFT OR SOUTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE, SINCE IT IS THE ONLY L SHOWING IN THE 1888 SANDBORNE MAP, WHICH IS THE ILLUSTRATION ON THE RIGHT.

SANDBORN CONTINUES.

ITS EXTERIOR IS SIMPLY FINISHED WITH BEADED WEATHER BOARDING A MOLDED BOX CORNICE WITH D DIMINUTIVE RETURNS, AND SIX SIX SASH IN ALL WINDOW OPENINGS.

SO FOR 5 21 HANCOCK STREET, THE PROPOSAL IS TO INCLUDE FULLY ENCLOSING THE LOWER AND UPPER REAR SCREEN PORCHES IN THE PRIMARY AND SECONDARY ABCS.

SO STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC GUIDELINES AS APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR UTILITIES 2.3 0.1, DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, 0.1 AND TWO FOR MODIFICATIONS, 3.2 0.1 AND TWO FOR WALLS.

TRIM IN ORNAMENTATION, 4.2, 0.1, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR FOR WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS.

4.3 0.1, 2, 3, 4, 5, AND SIX FOR ENTRANCES.

4.4 0.4 FOR ROOFS, 4.5 0.1 AND FOUR FOR WOOD.

5.2 0.1 5.2 0.2 FOR PAINT, 5.4, 0.2, THREE AND FOUR.

THE STATEMENTS ARE REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION AND STAFF'S JUDGMENT ARE ONE, THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

TWO, THE PROJECT IS MODIFICATIONS TO A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE WITHIN THE PRIMARY AND SECONDARY ABCS.

THREE.

THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES.

FOUR.

THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.

AND FIVE, THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.

SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COMMISSION TO APPROVE THIS APPLICATION TO INCLUDE FULLY ENCLOSING THE LOWER AND UPPER REAR SCREEN PORCHES IN THE PRIMARY AND SECONDARY ABCS.

THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT.

NO HISTORIC FABRIC NOTED IN SAND BOOK, SAND BECK'S BOOK THAT'S BEING MODIFIED.

QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? UH, A COUPLE, A COUPLE THINGS.

UH, THERE'S

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UH, THERE'S NO MENTION OF THE BACK PORCHES.

SO, UH, THE ASSUMPTION IS IN THIS CONTEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION, UH, ALL PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS SEEM TO BE, BE WITHIN THE ENVELOPE OF THESE CONTEMPORARY ADDITIONS FROM SOMETIME IN THE EIGHTIES.

AND SINCE THE PORCHES ARE NOT PRIMARY PORCHES, FRONT PORCHES, THIS SEEMS TO COMPLY WITH THE, UH, WITH THE GUIDELINES FOR ENTRANCES.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TOO, THAT THEY'RE SALVAGING WHAT FABRIC MIGHT BE TAKEN OUT OR REUSING WINDOWS IN ANOTHER LOCATION.

AND ALL THE MATERIALS, WOOD WINDOWS ARE WOOD, NO ISSUES AT ALL.

OTHER COMMENTS OR THOUGHTS? QUESTIONS? SO THE PORCH SEEMS NOT TO BE PART OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDING, IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT MENTIONED IN SAND'S NARRATIVE.

WHAT IS THE PICTURE HERE THAT WE HAVE ON THE SUNBURN MAP? THAT'S 1888.

AND IS THERE THE BACK PORCH ON IT? YEAH.

SO THAT BACK, WELL ACTUALLY IT HAS AN ENCLOSED TWO-STORY EDITION.

HMM.

THE PORCH IS SHOWN AS DASH LINES.

OH, EVEN SHE SHOWS A CHIMNEY, I GUESS, RIGHT? THE THE ENCLOSURE IN THE BACK IS THE WRONG SHOWS.

WHAT? IT SHOWS A CHIMNEY LIKE THE SMALL CIRCLE IN THE FRONT LEFT CORNER.

WHAT IS THAT? NO, THAT'S A, THAT'S A ZERO THAT REPRESENTS THE, UH, UH, ROOFING TYPE.

OH, OKAY.

IT'S A SHINGLE ROOFING.

UH, OR, WELL, I FORGET WHAT THAT MEANS.

IT'S THE ROOF INDICATES THE ROOFING TYPE.

THE TWO INDICATES THE NUMBER OF STORIES.

IT DOES SHOW THERE HAD BEEN A KITCHEN, AND THIS IS AT THE OLD LOCATION IN 1888, SO, UH, ALMOST A HUNDRED YEARS PRIOR TO ITS MOVE.

AND YOU COULD PROBABLY SEE THAT IN THE ELEVATIONS AS WELL.

IT, I BELIEVE IT WAS THAT ADDITION WAS RETAINED.

LET'S SEE.

GO TO THE SIDE VIEW, RIGHT.

ELEVATION.

YOU CAN SEE THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE MAIN ROOF IS PROBABLY THE ORIGINAL BUILDING.

AND THEN THIS IS THE FIRST EDITION THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT NOW, I WOULD BELIEVE.

AND THEN THE, UH, LET'S GO UP ONE MORE SO YOU CAN SEE THAT EVEN CLEAR MORE CLEARLY.

AND THEN THE, UH, SCREENED PORCHES EDITION IS YET ANOTHER EDITION.

AND SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE, UH, EVOLUTION OF, UH, GROWTH OF THE BUILDING.

SO SHOULDN'T WE, I, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT, BUT IS IT A MODIFICATION OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT AN ADDITION? IT, IT'S, IT'S A MODIFICATION TO THE EXISTING ADDITION.

IS THAT, IS THAT YOUR QUESTION? MM-HMM.

I'M ASKING WHICH GUIDELINES WE REFER TO, EITHER MODIFICATIONS OR ADDITION.

SO I MEAN, MY INTERPRETATION WOULD BE THAT THE EXISTING DOUBLE, UM, SET OF PORCHES IS ALREADY IN ADDITION AND IT'S JUST GONNA BE ENCLOSED.

THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES.

AND THERE'S NO HISTORIC FABRIC IN THE PART THAT'S BEING REMOVED FOR THE PORCH PER SE.

MM-HMM.

, THANK YOU SO FAR.

OKAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE.

WE FIND THE APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR 5 21 HANCOCK STREET TO BE NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH NEW BURNS.

CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTIONS 15 4 11 4 15, 4 29, AND NEW BURNS.

HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES OF FINDINGS.

IN FACT, UTILITIES 2.3 0.1, DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, 0.1 AND TWO MODIFICATIONS, 3.2 0.1 AND TWO WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION, 4.2 0.1, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR, WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS, 4.3 0.1, 2, 3, 4, 5, AND SIX ENTRANCES, 4.4 0.4 GROUPS, 4.5 0.1, AND FOUR WOOD, 5.2 0.1, AND TWO, PAINT, 5.4, 0.23 AND FOUR.

THE FINDINGS OF FACT, BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION, THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

THE PROJECT IS A MODIFICATION TO A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE WITHIN THE PRIMARY AND SECONDARY ABC.

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THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT IN COMMON AND ACCORDINGLY.

AND THE PROJECT IS NOT IN OUS WITH THE GUIDELINES, SIR.

LUTON SECONDED.

WE APPROVE THE APPLICATION FOR 5 21 HANCOCK STREET.

ALL IN FAVOR, STATE AYE.

CLOSED MOTION PASSES.

UM, NEED A MOTION TO ISSUE THE COA.

SO MOVED.

SECOND, LUTON.

WE ISSUE A COA FOR 5 21 HANCOCK STREET.

OPPOSED? HEARING NONE.

THAT'S APPROVED.

GOOD JOB.

LUCIAN

[4F. 302 Avenue A – to include removal of a metal shed and construction of a new garage in the Secondary and Tertiary AVCs]

3 0 2 AVID A.

I'LL ENLARGE THIS ONE A LITTLE BIT FIRST.

SO THIS IS THE APPLICATION FOR 3 0 2 AVENUE A, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS, MATTHEW AND MELISSA HILTON ARE THE APPLICANTS.

SO THEY'VE PROVIDED THE INFORMATION HERE IN THESE, UM, BOXES HERE AND CHECKED OFF ALL THE APPROPRIATE INFORMATION AND THE SIGNATURE AND THE DATE THAT'S PROVIDED.

SO, UM, FIRST THEY PROVIDED A PAGE WITH A, UM, COLLECTION OF PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE HOUSE.

SO, LET'S SEE, UM, STARTING WITH THE REAR OF THE HOME.

SO THE, THE PROPOSAL IS TO ADD A, A GARAGE TO THE REAR YARD.

SO HERE IS, UH, IMAGES OF THE HOUSE, UH, THE REAR OF THE HOUSE, O UPPER LEFT THE SIDE NORTH CRAVEN STREET SIDE ON THE UPPER RIGHT.

THEN ON THE MIDDLE LEFT IS THE REAR OF THE HOUSE AND THE, UH, WEST SIDE OF THE HOUSE, THE REAR IS THE NORTH SIDE.

AND THEN WE HAVE SOME IMAGES AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE HERE ON THE LEFT AND RIGHT, AND THEN A HISTORIC PHOTOGRAPH ON THE LEFT AND ANOTHER STRAIGHT ON VIEW OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE ON THE RIGHT.

UM, AND THE HISTORIC, UH, PHOTOGRAPH INDICATES IT IS THE AM BAKER HOUSE BUILT CIRCA 1897.

THIS IS IN THE RIVERSIDE, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT.

AND THEY'VE ALSO PROVIDED SOME SANDBORN MAP EXCERPTS AS WELL, UH, SHOWING, UH, IN TWO CASES, TWO DIFFERENT, UH, ARRANGEMENTS OF, UM, ATTA, UM, ACCESSORY BUILDINGS.

UH, ONE IS A SMALL SQUARE AND THE OTHER ONE IS, UH, TWO NARROW RECTANGLES.

UH, IF WE WANT, I CAN ZOOM IN ON THOSE, BUT, UH, UH, THEN THE UPPER RIGHT PHOTOGRAPH DOES SHOW THE, UH, EXISTING METAL SHED.

UH, AND THEY'VE DASHED IN WHITE LINES HERE ON THE LEFT.

AND ON THE RIGHT, THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY LINES.

UH, SO, AND, OR, AND I GUESS THE BACKYARD FOR, FOR EXAMPLE.

SO HERE IS AN AERIAL VIEW WHERE IT SHOWS THE METAL SHED AND, UH, TWO OF THE PROPERTY LINES PLUS OR THREE OF THE PROPERTY LINES, PLUS A LINE ACROSS THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.

SO THEY'RE PROPOSING, SO AGAIN, SOME PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE METAL SHED FROM THE STREET.

UH, IT IS A LITTLE HARD TO SEE BEHIND THE, UM, OBSTRUCTIONS, LET'S JUST SAY.

UH, ALSO TO NOTE IS THAT THE YARD DOES STILL HAVE, UH, TWO TIRE TRACKS, UM, IN THE GRASS.

UH, THEY, UH, TWO STRIPS, UH, IN THE BACKYARD, UH, LEADING OVER TO THE METAL SHED, UH, AS A DRIVEWAY FROM SOMETIME IN THE PAST.

SO THIS IS THE PROPOSAL AS TO LOCATE THE NEW SHED IN THIS BLUE SQUARE AREA, UH, AND WITH AN ENTRANCE FROM NORTH CRAVEN STREET.

THIS IS FOR GARAGE.

I'M SORRY, DID I SAY IT WAS A SHED ADDITION? NO, YOU SAID YEAH, SHED, SORRY.

GARAGE .

TOO MANY, TOO MANY SHEDS.

SO HERE, UH, IS, UH, ELEVATIONS OF THE PROPOSED GARAGE.

SO ON THE LEFT OR ON THE RIGHT IS THE FRONT OF THE GARAGE, WHICH WOULD BE FACING NORTH GRAN STREET FACING

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TOWARDS THE EAST.

UH, AND THEN, UH, THIS IS THEN THE NORTHWEST SIDE ELEVATION ON THE LEFT.

THAT'S THE ONE THAT WOULD BE FACING THE NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTHWEST, OR, YES.

THEN, UH, THE REAR OF THE GARAGE, UH, WITH ONE WINDOW, AND THEN THE, UH, SOUTH SIDE OF THE GARAGE WITH THE DOOR FOR ENTRY AND TWO MORE WINDOWS.

SO THEY ALSO PROVIDED EXAMPLES OF SIMILAR GARAGES.

UM, THESE ARE ON OFF OF EAST FRONT STREET.

THIS ONE IS OFF OF AVENUE C ON RIVERSIDE.

AND THEY PRO ALSO PROVIDED A LIST OF ALL THE, UM, GUIDELINES, WHICH WE'LL GO OVER ALSO AGAIN.

AND THEN THE ZONING INSPECTIONS, UH, REPORT THE ZONING ADMINISTRATORS INDICATED THAT IT DOES MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE.

UH, BUT COMMENTED THAT THE ACCESSORY BUILDING MUST BE A MINIMUM OF THREE FEET OFF THE SIDE AND REAR PROPERTY LINES.

AND THE PROPOSED PRO, UH, CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR INDICATED THAT IT WILL REQUIRE BUILDING PERMIT.

NOW, THAT REMINDS ME, I FORGOT TO MENTION ON THE PLANS, UH, THEY DID INDICATE THAT THE BUILDING WOULD BE LOCATED THREE TO FIVE FEET AWAY FROM THE TWO PROPERTY LINES.

WHERE IS THAT? RIGHT HERE.

SO THREE TO FIVE FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, UH, 23 TO 25 FEET FROM THE, UH, STREET PROPERTY LINE, AND 17 TO 19 FEET FROM THE BACK OF THE HOME.

UH, SINCE, UH, ACCESSORY BUILDINGS ARE REQUIRED TO BE AT LEAST EIGHT FEET AWAY FROM THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

AND THEN, UH, WE'RE READY WITH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.

MR. HALTON, DID YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON ANYTHING, SIR? THE ONLY THING I HAD WAS, UH, THE, THE DESIGNER REVIEW HAD ASKED, OR THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE WINDOWS SIZE ABOVE THE GARAGE DOOR AT THE PEAK.

UM, UH, MATT, IF YOU, SIR, IF YOU GO TO THE FIRST SLIDE.

SO THAT COMPARISON WAS AGAINST THE TWO UPPER WINDOWS ON NORTH, ON THE NORTH CRAVEN SIDE.

UH, THOSE WINDOWS MEASURED OUT AT, UH, 55 INCHES FROM BOTTOM TO TOP.

AND THEN ON THE, UH, REAR ELEVATION PICTURE, UH, THE WINDOW THERE AT THE PEAK, UH, ON THE REAR OF THE HOME, UH, IS 48 INCHES.

SO, UH, SOMEWHERE DEPENDING ON THE APPROPRIATE SCALE AND SIZE, UH, BETWEEN THOSE TWO OR ONE OR THE OTHER, UH, IS WHAT WOULD BE, UH, PROPOSED ABOVE THE GARAGE DOOR.

AND, AND THEN ON THE WHITE, SAME SIZE ON, ON THE BACK.

UM, WOULD ALSO LIKE TO CONFIRM THAT THE GARAGE DOOR IS WOOD.

UH, THAT WAS A, A QUESTION PREVIOUSLY, AND THEN JUST A PERSONAL COMMENT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT, UH, MR. SHELLEY SHOWS UP TO AN INBOX EVERY DAY, UH, HAVING SEEN SOME OF THE ITERATIONS OF WHAT COMES TO THIS, UH, BODY.

BUT, UM, JUST THE COMBINATION OF THE, THE PATIENTS AND THE EXPERTISE IN HELPING THE APPLICANTS NAVIGATE THE PROCESS.

UH, JUST ACKNOWLEDGING HIM PUBLICLY, CUZ I DON'T THINK IT HAPPENS OFTEN ENOUGH.

BUT, UM, I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE AND, AND THE BOARD AS WELL WITH THE PATIENTS AND, AND, UH, A NON-EXPERT NAVIGATING THROUGH, UH, THROUGH THE PROCESS.

THAT'S ALL IT HAS HERE.

YES, SIR.

ANY MEMBERS OF THE, UH, PUBLIC NOTIFIED PROPONENTS OR OPPONENTS OF THE PROJECT WAS TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE.

ANY MEMBERS OF THE GOVERNMENT, UH, WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.

SEEING NONE .

WE'RE READY FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS.

UM, CAN, CAN I JUST ASK YOU TO SPEAK A LITTLE LOUDER INTO THE MICROPHONE BECAUSE WE, THERE'S A LOT OF BACKGROUND NOISE AND I, I KNOW LISTENING TO THE, UH, TAPES AFTERWARDS, IT IS HARD ENOUGH TO HEAR, I'M SURE, BUT, OKAY.

THERE WE GO.

THANK KENNETH.

PLEASE REMIND THAT FOR EVERYBODY.

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THE BEST WAY TO BURN FAT AND GET SHREDDED.

IT'S NOT KETO PALE.

NO, NOT FAT.

CARNI NOT VEGAN.

AND IT'S DEFINITELY NOT SUPER INTENSE EXERCISES LIKE THIS.

THAT AIN'T HOW YOU LOSE WEIGHT.

CARDIO BURNS FAT, RIGHT? NO, IT'S ALRIGHT.

WE DIDN'T MEAN THAT.

WAS THAT LOUD ENOUGH? CRAZY.

WE GOT ALL THAT.

THE RIVERSIDE HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, NATIONAL REGISTER HISTORIC DISTRICT.

ALRIGHT.

SO HERE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

THIS APPLICATION FOR 3 0 2 AVENUE A FOR MATTHEW MELISSA HALTON.

UH, THIS IS THE HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME IS A BAKER HOUSE BUILT CIRCA 1897, IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN

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AND THE NATIONAL REGISTER, UH, INDICATES THAT, UH, DESCRIBES IT AS FOLLOWS, IN THEIR 1988 VERSION OR ASSESSMENT, THE ONE AND A HALF STORY FRAME HOUSE WITH THE HIGH HIP ROOF OF STANDING SEAM TIN, AND ONE STORY PROJECTING BAYS ON THE SIDE.

ELEVATIONS AN ENGAGED ONE STORY PORCH WITH SLENDER CLASSICAL COLUMNS ON BRICK PIERS AND SQUARE.

IN SECTION BEADED BALLISTERS SPANS THE TWO BAY FACADE WHERE THE ENTRANCE IS RECESSED AND CONTINUES ALONG THE NORTHEAST ELEVATION.

THE PENI PROJECTING BAY ON THAT ELEVATION IS SEMI HEXAGONAL AND HAS WOOD SHINGLE SIDING IN THE GABLE END.

THE MOST STRIKING FEATURE OF THE HOUSE IS THE LARGE GABLE ROOF DORMER CENTERED ABOVE THE FACADE SQUARE.

IN SECTION.

WOODEN POSTS SUPPORT THE ARCHED SHINGLE SIDED GABLE END AND A SQUARE IN SECTION.

BALLAS RAILING SPANS A BALCONY SERVING AN UPPER FLOOR ENTRANCE.

SURVIVING ORIGINAL WINDOWS ARE ONE OVER ONE SASH, AND THE TALL BRICK CHIMNEYS WITH COIL, WITH COBLES, I THINK IS PROBABLY WHERE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, ARE IN INTERIOR LOCATIONS.

UH, THE SANDECK DESCRIPTION, THE ONLY RELEVANT PORTION OF THAT, UH, THAT IT INDICATES IN A PARAGRAPH THAT WAS, UH, IN THE NARRATIVE AND NOT, UH, LISTED SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS AS IT'S QUEEN ANNE STYLE AND IT'S PICTURE DRESS COTTAGE.

SO, UM, WHETHER OR NOT THOSE ARE RELEVANT TO YOU, THOSE PASSAGES, UH, 3 0 2 AVENUE A.

THE PROJECT IS TO INCLUDE REMOVAL OF METAL SHED AND CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW GARAGE AND THE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY ABCS.

SO STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES AS APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR UTILITIES 2.3 0.12 AND THREE FOR FENCES AND GARDEN WALLS.

2.5 0.6 FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, 2.6 0.1 AND TWO FOR PARKING, 2.7 0.1, TWO, ONE AND TWO DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, 0.1, TWO, FOUR, AND FIVE FOR WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION, 4.2 0.4 AND FIVE FOR WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS.

4.3 0.2 FOR PAINT, 5.4, 0.23 AND FOUR.

AND FOR CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS, 5.5 0.6, THE STATEMENTS ARE REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION.

IN STAFF'S JUDGMENT ARE ONE, THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

TWO, THE PROJECT IS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WITHIN THE TERTIARY ABC AND SECONDARY ABC, THE PROPO THREE.

THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES FOR THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.

AND FIVE, THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.

STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COMMISSION APPROVE THIS APPLICATION TO INCLUDE THE REMOVAL OF A METAL SHED AND CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW GARAGE IN THE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY ABCS.

THAT CONCLUDES OUR REPORT.

THE MOST COMPLETE APPLICATION, I THINK YOU'D BE THERE.

QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? UM, THIS IS A HOUSE THAT IN RIVERSIDE THAT'S IMPORTANT ARCHITECTURALLY.

UH, I, I WOULD SAY IT'S IMPORTANT ON THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS.

UH, IT'S LIVED A HARD LIFE AND MATT AND MELISSA HAVE DONE A MAGNIFICENT JOB OF BRINGING THIS HOUSE BACK TO LIFE AND SAVING IT FROM, UH, PREVENTION OF DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT.

UM, THE PROPOSED ACT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN THE AREA IS IT'S SECONDARY TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IN MASS SCALE OF PROPORTION.

UM, THAT'S CERTAINLY THE CASE HERE.

UM, THE DESIGN COMPONENTS COMPLIMENT THE HOUSE AS WELL AS, UM, OTHER SURROUNDING HISTORIC PROPERTIES.

UH, IT'S, IT'S GOOD TO SEE THE EXAMPLES OF OTHER CONTEMPORARY SECONDARY STRUCTURES.

UH, WHAT'S PROPOSED REFLECTS, UH, THE MASCULINE PROPORTION OF, UH, THE CONTEMPORARY STRUCTURES THAT WE SEE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS.

I AGREE WITH MR. THOMPSON.

EXCUSE ME.

IT FITS THE HOUSE.

REALLY GOOD.

SO WE, WE ALSO HAD A PRETTY GOOD DISCUSSION DURING DESIGN REVIEW AND ALL THE APPROPRIATE ELEMENTS IN TERMS OF, UH, CORNER BOARDS AND, UH, WEATHER BOARDS, UH, EAVES, UH, THINGS OF THAT NATURE ARE PART OF THE DESIGN.

AND, UM, UH, THANK YOU FOR COMMENDING US AND, AND MATT.

UM, BUT WE, WE WANT TO COMMEND YOU BECAUSE I, I DON'T KNOW IF MY COLLEAGUES KNOW OR THE PUBLIC KNOWS, BUT, UH, UH, MATT, MATT CAME TO ABOUT THREE OR FOUR MEETINGS TO STUDY US BEFORE HE PUT HIS APPLICATION TOGETHER.

SO, UM, IT WASN'T ALL MATT, WELL, IT WASN'T ALL OUR MATT, IT, IT WAS ALSO APPLICANT MATT AS WELL, WHO, UM, UH, YOU PUT TOGETHER A VERY GOOD APPLICATION.

IF WE HAD AN AWARD FOR

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WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION.

OTHER QUESTIONS, SIR? COMMENT? NO, JUST THANK YOU, COLONEL FOR THE HOMEWORK.

APPRECIATE IT.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE FIND THE APPLICATION, UH, FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR 3 0 2 AVENUE A TO BE NOT IN CONGRESS WITH, WITH NEW BURN'S.

CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTIONS 15 DASH FOUR 11 TO 15 DASH 4 29 AND NEW BURN'S HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACTS, THE GUIDELINES, UH, UTILITIES 2.3 0.1, UH, 2.3 0.2 2.3 0.3.

FENCES AND GUARD WALLS, 2.5 0.6 ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, 2.6 0.1 AND 2.6 0.2.

PARKING, 2.7 0.1, AND 2.7 0.2.

DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, 0.1 3.1 0.2 3.1 0.4 3.1 0.5.

4.2 0.4 4.2 0.54, UH, WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS.

4.3 0.2, PAINT 5.4 0.2 5.4 0.35.

POINT FOUR 0.4.

CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS, 5.5 0.6.

FINDINGS OF FACT THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING, UH, STRUCTURE.

AND THE TIGHT WE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF, UH, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT PROJECT IS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, UH, WITH A TERTIARY, A ABC.

THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND, UH, DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES.

ZONING, ADMINISTRATIVE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THE PROJECT AND COMMENTED, AND THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.

SECOND, MOVE AND SECONDED.

WE APPROVE THE, UH, COA.

UM, ALL IN FAVOR, STATE AYE.

OPPOSED? MOTIONS APPROVED.

UH, MOVE OR NEED A MOTION TO ISSUE A COA.

OPPOSED? HEARING NONE ISSUED THE COA.

THANK YOU, SIR.

GOOD TO GO.

YOU'RE UNWILLING TO TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I'M, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING FOR SUPPORT GOING TO BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT FOR A VARIANCE MM-HMM.

OLD BUSINESS, WE HAVE NONE.

UH, OTHER GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS? I SEE NONE.

[7A. 719 E. Front St. – discussion about building setbacks in the flood hazard area]

NEW BUSINESS.

UH, WE'VE BEEN REQUESTED BY A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TO TALK ABOUT SETBACKS, PARTICULARLY IN A FLOOD HAZARD AREA IN RELATIONSHIP TO 1719 EAST FRONT STREET.

AND WE'VE AGREED TO DO THAT.

UM, WE, WE WILL NOT BE TAKING ANY POSITION ON IT.

WE WILL BE PROVIDING OPINIONS AND THE OPINIONS ARE NOT UP FOR DEBATE THEIR OPINIONS.

SO, I'LL, I'LL START WITH MINE.

UM, MY, MY THOUGHT STARTS WITH, WE'RE GONNA OBEY THE RULES FOR, FOR LAND USE.

WE'RE GOING TO OBEY THE RULES FOR LAND USE AS, AS STATED BY THE, UH, ALDERMAN AND OTHER GOVERNMENTAL BODIES IN NEW BERN.

UH, WE WON'T KNOWINGLY ENACT ANYTHING THAT'S IN OPPOSITION TO THE RULES.

TWO, I I RECOGNIZE THAT OVER TIME AND EVENTS, THERE MAY BE RULES THAT NEED TO CHANGE.

AND, UH, AND AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE ADAPTING TO FLOOD, UH, REQUIREMENTS.

UH, HOWEVER, HAVING SAID THAT, UH, RULES MAY OR MAY NOT BE CHANGED.

AND, AND IT'S UP TO THOSE WHO DESIGN AND BUILD TO ADAPT.

IF, IF THERE ARE NOT RULES CHANGES, UM, IT'S A NEW SITUATION.

AND THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S MY THOUGHTS ON THE SUBJECT.

ANYONE ELSE? WELL, I THINK WE TALKED AT LENGTH AT DESIGN REVIEW THAT THERE IS AN APPEAL PROCESS AND YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO THAT APPEAL PROCESS TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.

I BELIEVE YOU'RE SCHEDULED THIS MONTH.

WE ARE, WE ARE SCHEDULED THIS MONTH.

AND, UM, WOULD, SO YOU'RE UNWILLING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED IN TERMS OF, UM, THE HBC GUIDELINES, YOU KNOW, JUST LOOKING AT IT IN TERMS OF PLACEMENT,

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AND YOU UNDERSTAND THAT WE'VE TALKED AT LENGTH ABOUT YEAH.

THE FLOOD ELEVATION CHANGING AND, UM, DIFFERENT THINGS AND, AND THAT'S, I'VE STATED MY OPINION ON THAT SUBJECT.

THAT'S UP TO SOMEONE ELSE TO MAKE A CHANGE.

I, I SUPPORT WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

IF THE, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING PASS IT, I THINK YOU, THERE'S A PRECEDENT OF THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR AT SETBACKS.

SO THAT, TO ME, THAT MIGHT MAKES SENSE THAT YOU WOULD FOLLOW THE SAME SETBACKS.

AND SINCE THE ELEVATIONS ARE HIGHER, THE STEPS ARE HIGHER, THE RATIOS ARE DIFFERENT, UM, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO HAVE YOUR FIRST STEP RIGHT ON THE SIDEWALK.

SO I DO SUPPORT THE, UH, CHANGE.

UM, BUT YOU HAVE TO GO THE RIGHT STEPS TO GET THERE, BUT I PERSONALLY SUPPORT IT.

AND MR. CHAIR, JUST AS A POINT OF CLARITY, UH, I, I DON'T THINK I, I HAVE NOT FOUND ANY AUTHORITY EITHER IN THE GENERAL STATUTES OR OUR COURT OF ORDINANCES THAT WOULD ALLOW THIS BODY TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OR OFFER SUPPORT TO ANOTHER CITIZEN BOARD COMMISSION.

YEAH, I THINK I STATED THAT AT THE OUTSET, WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE A POSITION.

YES, THERE MAY BE INDIVIDUAL OPINIONS, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA, AS A BOARD TAKE A POSITION.

THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING ON THAT ISSUE TOO.

I THINK IF I COULD GIVE SOME ADVICE, IF I COULD GIVE SOME ADVICE, I WOULD MAKE YOUR CASE BASED ON CONTEXT, BECAUSE THIS IS A CORNER LOT.

MM-HMM.

, IT'S NOT A SINGLE LOT BETWEEN TWO OTHER HOUSES.

IT'S DEEP ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE ANY KIND OF ORDINANCE CHANGE.

AND IF YOU DON'T PUT IT INTO CONTEXT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A LEAVING AN IMPORTANT FACT ON THE TABLE.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? ABSOLUTELY.

I, I ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND.

AND, AND THAT, THAT'S PART OF IT AS WELL.

AND I THINK WE, WE APPROVED THE HOUSE AS IT WAS DESIGNED, AND THEN WHETHER IT SITS X, Y, OR Z FEET BACK, THAT'S REALLY NOT IN OUR HANDS.

THE DESIGN OF THE HOUSE WAS FINE.

WELL, PLACEMENT IS IN YOUR GUIDELINES, BUT PLACEMENT, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN DOWN THAT PATH.

OTHER THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS? OKAY.

YOU HAVE OUR OPINIONS.

CAN, UM, I GUESS I WOULD LIKE, HOW DO WE REQUEST THAT THE ORDINANCE BE CHANGED? I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL ARE WILLING TO, UH, ENTERTAIN THERE? THERE'S SOME RULES SET OUT IN OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES THAT INDICATE HOW TEXT AMENDMENTS CAN COME FORWARD.

UM, THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN CAN TAKE IT UPON THEMSELVES TO ASK FOR OR TO INITIATE A TEXT AMENDMENT.

UM, A BOARD SUCH AS THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, FOR EXAMPLE, CAN RECOMMEND CHANGES TO THE LAND USE ORDINANCE, OR CITIZENS CAN MAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO IF YOU OR YOUR, YOUR CLIENT WOULD LIKE A TEXT AMENDMENT, UM, YOU CAN FOLLOW THAT PROCESS.

IT'S SET UP AND I THINK IT'S CHAPTER, I THINK IT'S 22 OR 20 IN OUR LAND USE ORDINANCE.

UM, AND YOU CAN FOLLOW THOSE CHANNELS TO REQUEST AN INITIATION OF A, A TEXT AMENDMENT AND YOU CAN FORWARD THAT INFORMATION TO STAFF OR THE CITY MANAGER.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP.

[8. HPC Administrator’s Report]

ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT.

UM, WE'VE LISTED THE, UH, THE NUMBER OF MAJOR COAS THAT WERE ISSUED IN THE, SINCE THE LAST MEETING AND THE NUMBER OF MINOR COAS ALSO, UM, THERE HAVE BEEN NO EXTENSIONS, UH, DURING THAT TIME PERIOD.

AND THEN, UH, I HAVE NO OTHER ITEMS OR UPDATES.

ANY COMMENTS WITH COMMISSIONERS? NO.

[9. Commissioners’ Comments]

UM, I'VE GOT TWO QUICK THINGS.

LOST MY GLASSES.

UM, SEVEN 10 NEWS STREET, WHICH IS ONE OF OUR WITHDRAWN APPLICATIONS.

I UNDERSTAND THE NEWBURN PRESERVATION FOUNDATION.

MATT HAS INDICATED SOME INTEREST THAT THAT IS THE TYPE OF PROPERTY THAT THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED.

AND SO, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE APPLICANTS ARE.

I KNOW THEY'RE LOOKING AT OPTIONS FOR THE PROPERTY, BUT I'D ASK YOU TO SHARE THAT WITH THEM IF YOU HAVE A CHANCE.

SO, UH, CAN I MISSED THE VERY BEGINNING

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OF YOUR STATEMENT? THE NEWBURN PRESERVATION FOUNDATION HAS AN INTEREST IN WHICH PROPERTY? SEVEN 10 NEW STREET.

OH, OKAY.

GOTCHA.

AND THEN MY, MY ONLY OTHER COMMENT ON 3 0 5 NORTH AVENUE, SINCE WE'RE KIND OF AT THE END OF THE ROAD AT OUR JUNE MEETING, I I, I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST IF THEY'RE NOT READY, THAT THEY WITHDRAW THEIR APPLICATION MM-HMM.

OR, OR, UM, AUTHORIZE AN EXTENSION TO THE DEADLINE.

JUST WITHDRAW.

IF YOU CAN'T GET IT DONE IN EIGHT MONTHS, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET IT DONE IN 9, 10, 11.

IT'S BEEN FIVE THEY SEEMS, IT SEEMS LIKE EIGHT.

, .

UH, AND, AND, AND OF COURSE THEY COULD ALWAYS COME BACK WHEN THEY'VE GOT IT READY.

WELL, AND THEY, THEY HAD STATED FROM THE BEGINNING THAT THEY HAVE A NOVEMBER DEADLINE THAT, UH, CONTRACTUAL DEADLINE WITH THE, UH, CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR.

SO TO DEMOLISH THE BUILDING.

SO, UM, I THINK THAT'S, SO IT'S JUST, JUST A SUGGESTION.

SO THREE OPTIONS.

AND MATT, CAN WE COME BACK TO, UH, SEVEN 10? UM, THEY, SO THEY WITHDREW THE, UM, DEMOLITION REQUEST FOR DEMOLITION, UH, ANY, ANY IDEA WHAT THEIR, WHAT THEIR PLANS ARE, BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE A PREVENTION OF DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT ISSUE HERE THAT DUE TO THE STRUCTURAL ISSUES AND I'D, I'D LIKE FOR US NOT TO JUST, YOU KNOW, LET THAT FALL OFF THE TABLE AND I'D LIKE FOR US TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO ENCOURAGE THEM AND PROVIDE SUPPORT WITH THEM ANY WAY POSSIBLE.

UH, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT IS A POST-FIRE HOUSE.

UH, AND LIKE ANY, LIKE ANY HISTORIC STRUCTURE, UH, ONCE IT'S GONE, WE NEVER GET IT BACK.

I NEED, AGAIN, TO SHARE YOUR VIEWPOINT ON THAT.

I WOULD HAVE ASKED THE VERY SAME QUESTION AS THE NEXT STEP.

THIS HOUSE HAS, CL IS CLEARLY IN DANGER OF BEING LOST FOREVER IF NOTHING'S GONNA HAPPEN TO YOU.

DO, DO YOU, DO YOU KNOW MATT, WHAT THE PLAN IS? NOT SPECIFICALLY.

THEY HAVE SAID THAT THE FAMILY IS, UM, UM, PURSUING SOMETHING OTHER THAN DEMOLITION AT THIS POINT.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

I ALSO, WE HAVE THE OPTION TO TAKE, KEEP AN EYE ON THE PROCESS WITH THAT HOUSE.

I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER AT THAT POINT.

I DON'T KNOW THIS IS APPROPRIATE, BUT I ALSO HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT SOMEONE LIVING IN THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY.

UH, I DON'T THINK IT'S SAFE FOR SOMEONE TO LIVE THERE.

AND THEY MENTIONED THAT THEY HAVE SOMEONE LIVING THERE, SO YEAH.

ONE POINT THEY SAID YES, AND THEN ANOTHER POINT THEY SAID NO.

WE DO KNOW THAT A REPAIR ESTIMATE HAS BEEN GENERATED.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT THAT'S CORRECT.

OH, RIGHT.

I GUESS, UH, THAT WASN'T MENTIONED BEFORE.

WE HAD REQUESTED THAT YOU CONTACT MINIMUM HOUSING, ET CETERA.

AND SO, AND OF COURSE IT'S ALREADY ON THEIR RADAR BECAUSE OF THE PREVIOUS, UH, REPORT TWO YEARS AGO.

BUT IT MAY BE TIME TO, UM, WELL FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST, UM, HAVE A, UM, AN INFORMAL DISCUSSION WITH THE, WITH THE FAMILY, UM, AND SEE WHERE THEY ARE AT AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO WITHOUT, UM, YOU PULLING OUT ANY HAMMERS OR ANYTHING.

SO, UM, NO, THEIR GOALS WERE GOOD.

SO, AND, AND ONE OF THEM IS OF COURSE, TO WORK, UH, POTENTIALLY HAVE THEM WORK POTENTIALLY WITH THE PRESERVATION FOUNDATION.

SO WE'LL SEE, UM, IF THAT'S, I, I, I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTOOD EXACTLY WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, UH, TRIPP ABOUT PRESERVATION FOUNDATION AND THAT PROPERTY.

WELL, I TOOK IT.

THEY'D BE INTERESTED AT ACQUIRING IT AT, AT THE CORRECT PRICE, NO.

I GOTCHA.

BUT, BUT I CAN'T, YOU KNOW.

YOU'RE NOT SPEAK TO THAT DIRECTLY.

ANOTHER HAD A BRIEF CONVERSATION.

ANOTHER PATH THAT, UH, I THINK WOULD BE WORTH EXPLORING WITH THEM IS THE, ASSUMING IT'S GOING TO STAY RESIDENTIAL, IS TO GO DOWN THE PATH OF A DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, TAX CREDITS.

THAT WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY HELP THEM WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH ANY REPAIRS, PARTICULARLY STRUCTURAL REPAIRS THAT THEY DO.

THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, THE HPC AS WELL AS THE PRESERVATION FOUNDATION ARE CERTAINLY WILLING TO, YOU KNOW, TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO SUPPORT THEM AND HELP THEM.

MM-HMM.

? YEAH.

I, I FORGOT ABOUT THAT ONE.

WE ADJOURN ALL FAVOR STATE.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS THEN? ENTERTAINING MEETING OR A MOTION TO ADJOURNED? SHALL SECOND? MOVE? SECOND.

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