Jun 06, 2023 Planning &amp; Zoning

MAKE IT, MAKE THE PROJECT FEASIBLE AND MAKE IT MORE APPEALING AND ALL FOR MORE HOUSING BECAUSE THAT THE NEED IS GREAT HERE IN NEW, UM, THERE'S THE, UH, WEST OF NEWBURN, UM, APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT JUST OPENED UP THIS 96% CAPACITY AND HAS BEEN, UH, SINCE IT OPENED UP.

SO THERE'S A NEED FOR ATTAINABLE HOUSING LIKE THIS.

AND THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR MORE UNITS, UH, TO BE PUT IN.

YES, SIR.

YOU, YOU INTEND TO INCREASE THE, THE DENSITY WITH, WITH THIS CHANGE.

DID ANYBODY LOOK INTO HOW IT'S GOING TO AFFECT FIRE AND POLICE? THAT WOULD ALL BE DONE AT THE SPECIAL USE, UH, PERMIT PROCESS HEARING, UM, BECAUSE OF COURSE WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, WHETHER IT'S R 10 A OR WHETHER IT'S RA, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SPECIAL D PERMIT PROCESSING.

AND AS A PART OF THAT, THEY WILL BE LOOKING AT THE SPECIFIC SITE PLAN TRAFFIC, UH, YOU KNOW, THE DENSITY, THE, UH, SITE PLAN LAYOUT AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

THE TRAFFIC, YOU'LL PROBABLY END UP WITH A STOPLIGHT THERE.

WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE CHANGE SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE YOU MAY YOU FOLLOW, SOMEBODY MUST HAVE LOOKED AT, ALTHOUGH OR NOT IT'S FEASIBLE OTHERWISE YOU WOULDN'T BE ASKING.

I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE'RE DOING IS TO MAKE IT MORE ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE TO, TO DO A DEVELOPMENT THERE FOR BOTH FAMILY.

RIGHT NOW THAT PROPERTY IS DIVIDED UP UNDER THE PUDDING PLAN.

IT'S IT'S PART COMMERCIAL, IT'S PART RESIDENTIAL, IT'S PART, UH, MULTIFAMILY.

AND THIS WOULD ALLOW THAT WHOLE AREA TO BE DEVELOPED FOR MULTIFAMILY PURPOSE USE.

SETH, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.

UM, FIRST IS, HAS, UH, HAS ANYBODY ELSE IN LINK DIAL REACHED OUT TO THE CITY IN CONCERN? ANY COMMENTS ON THIS? NO, SIR.

BUT AT THIS POINT, AT THIS JUNCTURE, PUBLIC DOESN'T REQUIRE PUBLIC NOTICE.

BEFORE THE HEARING, BEFORE THE, UM, BOARD ARGUMENT, EVERYBODY WAS IN HUNDRED FEET.

EVERY PROPERTY OWNER WITHIN HUNDRED FEET GET.

UM, AND THEN MY SECOND QUESTION WOULD BE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, DOES THAT COME THROUGH THIS BOARD OR DOES THAT STRIKE SPECIAL PERMIT GOES TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, THE GENERAL PLAN, AND MR. CHAIR, MR. SPIRIT BEING HELPFUL, THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL BODY.

SO THERE WOULD BE NOTICE, UM, ANYBODY WHO COULD BE SUBSTANTIALLY IMPACTED BY THE PROJECT WOULD'VE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND PRESENT EVIDENCE WOULD BE HEARD AT THAT STAGE.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

SO TO SONNY'S QUESTION, WHICH IS FIRE, POLICE, ET CETERA, THE IMPACT OF THAT, CONSIDERING ALL OF THE RESIDENTIAL AROUND IT, IF WE'RE APPROVING THE ZONING TO BE CHANGED TO MAKE IT MORE DENSE, I MEAN, I THINK SONNY'S QUESTION MAKES SENSE THAT SOMEBODY SHOULD HAVE LOOKED AT THIS TO SAY, IF WE ADD ALL THESE UNITS IN THIS SPACE THAT WE HAD ADEQUATE FIRE, ET CETERA, POLICE TO, TO COVER THESE UNITS, OR, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF IRRESPONSIBLE LU TO APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGE.

LET ME REMIND YOU THAT YOU'RE HERE TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THIS REQUESTED CHANGE IS CONSISTENT OR INCONSISTENT WITH ADOPTED PLANS, WHICH SETH SAID IT IS.

AND THEN RESUBMIT THAT AND THEN GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT FOR THAT JUDICIAL HEARING.

THAT'S THE POINT THAT WE ARE AT.

AND AS MR. REMINGTON POINTED OUT, UH, THEY WILL HAVE TO MODIFY A PUD AND HAVE THAT LOOKED AT

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SO YOU'RE GONNA GET QUITE A BIT OF PUBLIC INPUT ON THIS JUST CAUSE WE DROPPED THE WORD DENSITY.

, I THINK, UM, AS THIS HAS BEEN POINTED OUT BY STAFF, THERE'S A NEED FOR SURE FOR THIS TYPE OF HOUSING.

WE WOULD CONSIDER THIS IN THE PLANNING WORLD TO BE TRANSITIONAL GOING, DECREASING THE DENSITY AS YOU MOVE BACK FROM THE MAIN ROAD.

SO THAT SUPPORTS THIS REQUEST.

SO WE'RE KIND OF JUMPING THE GUN BY, WHILE YOU'RE BEING PROACTIVE AND THINKING, WELL, WHAT ABOUT THE FIRE? AND WHAT ABOUT THE TRAFFIC? THERE'S A SEPARATE PROCESS TO GO THROUGH FOR THAT.

OUR JOB TONIGHT, OR YOUR JOB TONIGHT REALLY IS TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT ADOPTED PLANS BY THE CITY OF NEW BURNS SUPPORT OR NOT, OR WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST OR NOT.

AND IF NOT, WHY.

AND THEN WE GENERATE THAT CONSISTENCY STATEMENT BASED OFF OF THAT DISCUSSION THAT YOU JUST HAD.

SO THOSE ARE, THERE'S ABSOLUTELY PROCESSES, CONSIDERATION WHETHER THEY CAN FIND A FIRE IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST.

ABSOLUTELY.

BUT, AND AS, AS WE POINTED OUT, THERE IS A, AN ALREADY AN ADOPTED PLAN HERE, UM, WHICH THEY'LL HAVE TO HAVE MODIFIED.

AND THAT IS THAT POINT WHERE YOU GO AROUND THAT TABLE AND THE, THOSE AGENCIES WEIGH IN ON THAT, WHETHER THEY HAVE THE TRUCK TO DESCEND TO THE FIRE AND THE LADDER SIDE AND OFF IN THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

AND MR. LUSO, TO YOUR POINT, UM, I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING ALL PERMISSIBLE USES WITHIN THAT CLASSIFICATION FOR ONE.

AND THERE'S SOME OVERLAP BETWEEN R 10 A AND, AND THE PROPOSED CLASSIFICATION.

AND ALSO BEFORE ANY PERMIT, BUILDING PERMIT CAN BE OBTAINED, THE APPLICANT OR WHOEVER OWNS THE LAND AT THAT POINT, WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE BIG, THE RIGOROUS ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESSES THAT MADAM DIRECTOR JUST LAID OUT.

SO BEFORE ANYBODY CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY DREAMS OR IMAGININGS OR VISIONINGS TO ACTUALLY TURN OVER A SHOVEL, THERE'S GOING TO BE THOSE BACK STOPS STARTS HERE, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

SO IF WE CHANGE THE ZONING, WE'VE LOST ALL CONTROL OF WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.

NO, SIR.

WELL, WELL SAY, IF YOU RECALL SONNY, IN PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS WHERE THIS HAS COME UP, WE'VE HAD THE, IT'S THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT REVIEW PROCESS WHERE WE'VE SEEN A COMMENT FROM FIRE OR FROM ANOTHER, AND SO THAT OCCURS AFTER RESIGNING.

RIGHT? SO THAT'S THE, UM, THE REVIEW OF THE GENERAL FORM OR THE, UH, AMENDMENT OF THE GENERAL PLAN, THE PUT THAT COMES BACK TO US, THEY'LL HAVE A DEPARTMENT REVIEW AS, AS PART OF THAT.

I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT WHAT'S THE POINT OF REZONING IT IF WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY CAN BUILD, IF THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, THAT'S IF IT'S GONNA BE SAFE.

WELL, SO, SO YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT LIKE THIS.

WHILE THAT ALLOWS A GREATER DENSITY, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT'S THE DENSITY THAT WILL ULTIMATELY BE, UH, WELL, I, COME ON.

I MEAN, LET'S NOT BE NAIVE IF YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO BUILD MORE HOUSES AND GET MORE MONEY.

WE'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA SAY CHEAP.

THAT'S, I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.

WELL, I THEY'RE NOT HOLISTIC CARE.

CORRECT.

THE DEVELOPERS MAY NOT SAY THAT.

NO, BUT THE DEPARTMENT REVIEW AND, AND THAT PROCESS MAY DEEM THAT THEY CAN'T, YOU KNOW, THE DENSITY IS NOT, UM, SUPPORTED.

SO I, I THINK THAT PROCESS IS IN PLACE AND, AND WE HAVE TO LET STAFF AND THE CITY DEPARTMENTS DO WHAT THEY DO AND THEN PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO US AT THE GENERAL PLAN TO REVIEW IT AND DETERMINE IF WE AGREE OR NOT.

UM, REAL QUICK, YOU MADE A STATEMENT THAT, UM, EVEN BY THE, THE PURPOSE OF THIS MM-HMM.

, COULD YOU REFRESH JUST AS, UH, NEW CHAIR, UM, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS, WHAT, WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF, OF WHAT? SURE.

YOU HAVE BEEN ASKED, UH, YOU'VE BEEN REQUESTED BY THE PUBLIC TO REVIEW A REZONING REQUEST AND TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.

AND AS PART OF THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS WE'VE HAD TO SIGN THOSE CONSISTENCY STATEMENTS.

AND SO YOU ARE BASING YOUR RECOMMENDATION ON, ON TWO THINGS.

AND THEY, THEY CHANGED IT A LITTLE BIT.

WE'RE SAYING, IS THIS REASONABLE AND IS THIS CONSISTENT? IT COULD BE INCONSISTENT AND UNREASONABLE.

YOU CAN STILL RECOMMEND RECOMMEND IT, RIGHT.

JUST GIVE SOME REASONS.

THAT'S WHY THAT'S HOW WE DRAFT THIS.

SO WE'VE GOT KIND OF TWO LAND USE PLANS IN THE CITY OF NEW, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THAT ORIGINAL 2010 LAND USE PLAN WHICH SUPPORTS THIS, RIGHT? SO WE'RE POINTING THAT OUT AS CONSISTENT.

THEY COULD SELL IT TOMORROW OR WHATEVER.

AND THEN YOU HAD AN UPDATE TO THE PLAN YOU ADOPTED, WHICH IS SEPARATE, BUT TOGETHER WITH THAT OTHER PLAN, FOR WHATEVER REASON IT WAS DONE LIKE THAT.

HERE, BOTH PLANS DO NOT SAY THAT THIS IS INCONSISTENT, BUT THE MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING, WHICH WE'RE FOCUSING IN ON, CUZ IT WAS MENTIONED, ALTHOUGH WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE SAID, WELL, LET'S LOOK AT THAT WHOLE CHART OF USES BECAUSE TECHNICALLY THAT CHANGE ALLOWS WHERE WE, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD CHANGE OR

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SO, UM, YOU DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT YOU, YOU KIND OF AGREED WITH WHAT, WHAT SETH POINTED OUT, THOSE TWO.

COULD YOU GO BACK, SETH, TO THAT SLIDE OF WHAT, WHAT THE, WHAT THE PLANS SAY? SO BACK TO THE OTHER ONE, PLEASE.

WE GOT OUR 2020 LAND USE PLAN UPDATE THE NORTH CAROLINA 43 FOCUS AREA.

SO THAT, THAT, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING IN MY MIND AS STAFF ADVISING INCONSISTENT THERE.

SO I'D SAY THAT'S CONSISTENT.

AND THEN WE'VE GOT THAT ORIGINAL PLAN.

UM, IT'S, IT, IT'S A, IT'S A VERY KIND OF WATERED DOWN AND VAGUE, BUT IT'S A DEVELOPED, UH, POISE FOR FUTURE GROWTH.

SO I DON'T SEE AN INCONSISTENCY THERE.

UM, WE GET TO THE PUBLIC INTEREST, RIGHT? SO, UM, MAYBE THIS IS, THERE'S SOMETHING TO YOU ALL THAT'S COMPLETELY NOT IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST.

WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT AND WE SAY WE DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST.

UM, IT'S REALLY HARD TO DO THAT WITH SUCH A HOUSING SHORTAGE.

AND OVERALL, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU HEARD THE ECONOMICS OF IT MENTIONED THIS MULTI-FAMILY IS ALREADY ALLOWED.

THEY'RE ASKING FOR A SLIGHT INCREASE IN AN ALLOWABLE DENSITY.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THESE TWO PLANS SAY THAT, THAT, THAT THAT WOULD BE, THAT REQUEST IS INCONSISTENT.

CORRECT.

UM, BUT YOU MAY ALL FEEL DIFFERENTLY AND, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU BASE YOUR RECOMMENDATION ON.

AND, UH, ULTIMATELY THAT'S WHAT I TAKE AND PRESENT TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN WHEN, WHEN THIS GOES TO PUBLIC HEARING.

SO, AND, UH, THERE ARE, THERE'S THERE'S LAYERS OF PROCESS FURTHER TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY, WHICH ONCE THAT SIGN GOES UP, THAT, THAT THIS IS GOING TO A PUBLIC HEARING FOR REZONING IS THE FIRST ONE, THEN THOSE LETTERS GO OUT AT THE SAME TIME.

AND THEN SHOULD THIS REZONING GET ADOPTED AND THEY ELECT TO, UH, PRESENT A DEVELOPMENT THAT FITS WITH THE, THE CHANGE TO ZONING, THEN THAT STARTS THAT AGAIN BECAUSE WELL, A, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK AND BE LOOKED AT BY THE, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ON THAT REVIEW.

THOSE PLANS WHEN YOU SEND THEM OUT, EIGHT OR NINE, NINE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, AGENCIES, D O T, THEY ALL GET TO LOOK AT THE PLAN AND WEIGH IN ON IT.

AND SO THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE GONNA GET PUT IN AND PROBABLY RECOMMEND OR TURNED INTO CONDITIONS WHEN IT GOES TO GET A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, WHICH IN THE CITY OF NEW BERN IS A SEPARATE BODY AND OPERATES UNDER DIFFERENT RULES.

AND, AND THEN IN THAT CASE, IT ALL THOSE PEOPLE WILL GET UNNOTICED TO WEIGH IN ON A SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT.

UM, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

SO REALLY RIGHT NOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, IS THIS CONSISTENT WITH OUR PLANS AND IS IT REASONABLE? AND THAT'S WHAT WE BASED THE RECOMMENDATION ON AT THIS BOARD REQUESTS I HAVE.

WILL THEY LEAVE WITH THE COMMUNITY OR THEY REQUIRED TO LEAVE WITH THE COMMUNITY BEFORE THEY, UM, NO, SIR.

NOT NOT FOR A REZONING.

NO, I DIDN'T HEAR ANSWER AGAIN, NOT FOR A REZONING REQUEST.

NO.

THE COMMUNITY WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

FOR THE BOARD OF ALL, WE'RE JUST RECOMMENDED DISCUSSION.

I MAKE THE MOTION TO RESPECT, TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS AS THE NEXT ONLY.

SECOND.

HAVE A SECOND.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? NONE.

UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ALL OPPOSED? MOTION CHAIR.

UH, ITEM NUMBER TWO B MR. CHAIRMAN, BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO TWO B? YES MA'AM.

UM, THERE IS A CONSISTENCY STATEMENT BEFORE YOU YES.

AND IF YOU WANT TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION, UM, TO ADOPT THE STATEMENT OF CONSISTENCY, THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AT THIS TIME.

UH, I'LL OBTAIN A MOTION TO ADOPT THE STATEMENT OF CONSISTENCY.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, ADOPT THE STATEMENT OF CONSISTENCY.

I'LL SECOND.

I HAVE A MOTION ON SECOND DISCUSSION.

WHAT IS A MOTION OF OF CONSISTENCY THAT MIGHT HELP? ALL RIGHT.

THE STATE, UH, SPACE STATUTES REQUIRE THAT WE ACKNOWLEDGE, UH, SEPARATELY THAT WE HAVE CONSULTED OUR ADOPTED PLANS, WHICH WE HAVE.

WE'VE JUST LOOKED AT THEM ON THE SCREEN AND IT IS JUST, UH, EVEN IF IT'S INCONSISTENT, IT'S STILL A STATEMENT OF CONSISTENCY.

AND WE ARE, IT, IT JUST ACKNOWLEDGES THAT WE'VE GOT THESE ADAPTIVE PLANS AND WE LOOKED AT THEM BEFORE MAKING THIS RECOMMENDATION.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

ANYTHING EXTRA? DID I ACCEPT? OKAY.

FURTHER DISCUSSION.

NONE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY RELATIONSHIP THAT CAN BE BUILT THAT IF THERE IS A LARGER CROWD THAT THEY COULD USE, UM, THAT, UH, PARKING SPACE, YOU KNOW, UH, ACROSS THE STREET.

ALL OPPOSED?

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OKAY, GOING TO TWO

[2.B. Jason Sanderson has requested consideration of an application to rezone one parcel of land totaling 0.92 +/- acres from R-10 Residential to C-4 Neighborhood business district. The parcel is located on the north side of Oaks Road near its intersection with North First Avenue. The property is further identified as PID # 8-031-A-032.]

JASON SANDERSON HAS REQUESTED CONSIDERATION OF AN APPLICATION TO REZONE ONE PARCEL OF LAND PATROLING APPROXIMATELY ONE ACRE FROM R 10 RESIDENTIAL TO C C4.

NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS DISTRICT WAS LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF OAKS ROAD NEAR ITS INTERSECTION WITH NORTH FIRST AVENUE.

THANK YOU, MR. MR. YES, SIR.

I'LL PRESENTATION.

SO AGAIN, WE'VE GOT THIS, THE PROPERTY LOCATED ON ROAD ELECTRIC AVAILABLE THE SAME SERVICE STATION.

THERE'S NO BLUE LINE SCREEN ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROPERTY.

IT IS IN A HUNDRED PLAIN.

SO ANY, UM, ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION HAVE TO BE CODE AREA.

UM, SO THE R DISTRICT, AGAIN IS THE 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOCKS DESIGNED, UH, TO ACCOMMODATE SINGLE FAMILY AND TWO LOANS, ADDITIONAL 5,000 SQUARE FEET.

IT'S REQUIRED FOR ANY ADDITIONAL UNITS.

C4, ADDITIONAL MINIMUM SIZE BE 5,000 SQUARE FEET.

THE DISTRICT IS ESTABLISHED, UH, WHERE THE PRINCIPAL USE OF LAND IS TO PROVIDE FOR THE RETAIL OF OR SERVICE IS TO THE NEARBY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.

REGULATION TO THIS DISTRICT ARE DESIGNED TO THE BUSINESS WHICH BE ESTABLISHED TO PROTECT 20 LAND USE PLAN.

WITH THIS AREA DEVELOPED REDEVELOPMENT OF THE MUNICIPALITIES REGION.

DEFINES THAT CLASSIFICATION ONLY AREA THAT IS GENERALLY BUILT OUT WITH DEVELOPMENT GROWTH IN THIS AREA.

DEVELOPMENT OF EXISTING PROPERTY, A REDEVELOPMENT EXISTING PROPERTY.

THIS PROPERTY IS NOT LOCATED IN LINE.

THE THREE AREA PHOTO FROM R 10, THE C4 IS CONSISTENT WITH RECOMMENDATION 2022 UPDATE.

PROPOSED REZONING IS GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER RES LAND USE CLASSIFICATIONS FOUND THE PROPOSED REZONING BEING A PUBLIC INTEREST AND CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY LAND PLAN.

ADD ANY PROPOSED CHANGES OF USE WITHIN THIS PROPERTY WILL REQUIRE REVIEW PROCESS.

ANY NEW BUSINESSES WILL BE REQUIRED TO MEET ALL THE CURRENT DESIGN STANDARDS SUCH AS SCREENING, PARKING, TRAFFIC CONTROLS, ET CETERA, WHICH IS PART OF A SITE PLANNING PROCESS.

SO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE, MR. SO I REPRESENT MY CLIENT.

IT'S, UH, IT'S A LOCAL GENTLEMAN.

UM, IT'S GOING TO BE, WANTS TO CHANGE INTO A FUNERAL HOME.

IT'S ALREADY A CHURCH NOW.

UM, REALLY BE NO DIFFERENT.

HE, HE KIND OF USES HIS BUSINESS FOR MINISTRY PRETTY MUCH.

UM, I ASK HIM, UH, CREMATIONS VERSUS CASKET FUNERALS.

IT'S ABOUT 65% CREMATIONS VERSUS ABOUT 35% CASKET FUNERALS THESE DAYS.

A LOT OF, LOT OF PEOPLE ARE JUST DOING SMALLER FUNERALS AND, UH, HE'S GOT ACCOMMODATIONS AND RELATIONSHIPS WITH BIGGER CHURCHES WITH BIGGER VENUES.

SO WHEN THEY HAVE A SIT DOWN WITH A FAMILY, THEY ASK QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC QUESTIONS AND ABOUT HOW, HOW MUCH ACCOMMODATION HE DO.

HE HAVE A LOT OF FAMILY COMING AGAINST LIKE THAT.

SO TO KIND OF GAUGE THAT QUESTIONING BASED ON IF HE NEEDS TO RESEARCH IT AT THE LARGER VENUE, A LARGER CHURCH IN THE AREA THAT HE HAS RELATIONSHIPS WITH.

UM, SO, UM, HE WAS GONNA PUT UP A NICE WHITE FINAL PRIVACY FENCE, DO WHATEVER THE CITY OF NEW ROOM SAYS WE, WHAT WE GONNA HAVE TO DO.

AND, UH, IT WOULD BE DEFINITELY A GOOD NEIGHBOR.

THE QUALITY OF GUIDANCE BUYING IT FOR SURE.

SOME OF YOU PROBABLY KNOW, BUT I CAN'T DISCLOSE IT.

UM, UH, THERE'S CHURCH HERE ACROSS THE STREET NOW.

I THINK THEY JUST BUILT ANOTHER BUILDING OUT FRONT.

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BUT WHEN WE WALK THE LAND, UH, BEHIND THE CHURCH, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF HARP AND AROUND THE CHURCH, SO OBVIOUSLY WE'LL DO A SITE PLAN AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO, UH, WHEN THE CHURCH OWNED THAT, THEY JUST SOLD THAT HOUSE THERE TO A LADY.

WE WERE TRYING TO BUY THAT AS WELL, BUT WE WERE JUST, WE WERE TOO FAR BEHIND TO DEVELOP THE WHOLE SECTION THERE THAT, THAT WILL ACCOMMODATE FOR HIS NEEDS FOR STARTING A FUNERAL BUSINESS.

AND, UM, HE WAS GOING TO DO A REHAB ON CHURCH, YOU KNOW, REP PAINT A BRICKS AND NEW WINDOWS, ADD A BATHROOM, HANDICAP, YOU KNOW, NEW CARPETS, STUFF LIKE THAT TO HAVE YOU GIVE A TAX PAYING PROPERTY AT THAT TIME, OBVIOUSLY, WHICH IS GOOD FOR THE CITY OF EVERY CITY'S GOT BILLS, .

SO, UM, ANY QUESTIONS THAT ANYBODY MIGHT HAVE? UM, HE'S NOT GOING TO DO ANY CREMATIONS ON SITE.

HE SAYS THE BODY OFF THE GOLDSBOROUGH CREMATION S**T BACK.

UM, SO THIS FOR RECORD, THAT WOULD BE A COMPLETELY SEPARATE USE THAT, YEAH, THAT'S WHERE I WOULD SAY NOT INCLUDED.

SO IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, THERE'S A LIST OF A TABLE THAT LISTS ALL THE C FOR YOU.

SO, SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE NEED TO BE CONSIDERING NOT TO REFOCUSED AGAIN, BUT, UM, WE ALWAYS APPRECIATE PLANS BEING SHARED, BUT WHEN WE CHANGE THE ZONING, WE'RE NOT JUST ALLOWING HIS PLANS, HE WE'RE ALLOWING ANYBODY ELSE'S PLANS OR ANYTHING ALLOWED IN C4.

SO GOT THOSE PLANS FOR CHANGED.

THAT'S RIGHT.

SO, UM, PAULA, I THINK IT WAS PAULA BEST THAT CLOSED DOWN.

UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH THEM BEING GONE TOO IS PUTTING SOME BURDENS ON SOME OF THE MOTHER FUNERAL HOME IN THE AREA AS WELL.

AND GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY, I THINK.

YES, SIR.

SO THE OTHER C3, THAT'S THE OTHER BUSINESS THAT YOU HAVE, LIKE THE UM, YEAH, THIS IS SAWYER'S BODY SHOP IS SAWYER'S PAINT BODY.

I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'RE IN THIS SECTION HERE.

THIS ONE IS A COMPANY THAT DOES SAFETY NETTING FOR LIKE PAINT PARKS AND PARKS, THAT KINDA THING.

IS THAT THE MOORE SPOTTY SHOP? I THINK, YEAH.

I JUST NEED MORE SPOT SHOP.

SO WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDERING, IF SOMETHING'S REASONABLE JUST TO REFOCUS AGAIN, WE LOOK AND LOOK AT WHAT'S AROUND ALREADY.

THAT'S A GOOD, GOOD PLACE TO HANG YOUR HAT ON.

REASONABLENESS.

SO YOU LOOKS LIKE THERE'S C3, WHICH ALLOWS EVEN MORE THAN C4 OUT THERE WHEN YOU LOOK, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING.

SO I, I DON'T PERSONALLY FEEL LIKE THIS WOULD BE UNREASONABLE WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT, WELL, WE'VE KIND OF GOT A BUNCH OF COLORS UP THERE RIGHT NOW.

INDUSTRIAL.

INCLUDING INDUSTRIAL.

THERE'S A BUNCH OF PURPLE UP THERE TOO.

WHICH IS MORE INTENSE THAN WHAT HE'S ASKING FOR.

YEAH, THE FIELD IS REALLY GONNA STAY THE SAME, NOT MUCH CHANGE SIZE.

HE LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, NEW PAINT, NEW WINDOWS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO IT BE MORE ATTRACTIVE AS PEOPLE RODE BY STUFF LIKE THAT.

ONE QUESTION, UM, DO WE, IN TERMS OF APPROVING MOTION, DO, DID I DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME? DID WE APPROVE A MOTION AND THEN WE DO A SECOND ONE? WE START, WE CAN DO IT THAT WAY.

SO THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.

SO, OR WOULD IT BE BENEFICIAL? WE JUST DO THE SECOND MOTION LAST TIME? ONE TIME, WHICH IS, WE CAN DO IT EITHER WAY.

I THINK SINCE PEOPLE WERE ACCUSTOMED, WE'LL, WE DID IT ONE WAY THE FIRST TIME, WE CAN JUST STICK WITH THAT.

WHETHER IS PLEASURE THE BOARD, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.

WE, WE APPROVE THIS REQUEST FOR REASON TO AFFORDABLE.

AND A MOTION SECOND.

SO, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.

AND THIS IS FOR STAFF.

SO JUST CONFIRMING THAT C4 DOES NOT ALLOW FOR CHURCHES WITHOUT A SPECIAL USE.

R 10 A ALLOWS FOR CHURCHES BY, RIGHT.

AND SO, UM, IF THE CHURCH, IF IF RESONING IS APPROVED, THE CHURCH CAN, CAN'T CONTINUE TO OPERATE WITHOUT A SPECIAL, NO LONGER WILL BE A CHURCH.

UNDERSTOOD.

BUT THEY'D BE GIVING THEIR RIGHT UP TO OPERATE AS A CHURCH.

THAT'S RIGHT.

UNDERSTOOD.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO BE CLEAR.

BUT I MEAN, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE INTENT IS.

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THAT, THAT'S MY QUESTION.

I WANTED TO CONFIRM.

FURTHER DISCUSSION? ANY, NONE.

GREAT QUESTION.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

THIS CAN ENTERTAIN THE MOTION TO ADOPT THE STATEMENT OF CONSENT.

I WILL NOW ENTERTAIN THE MOTION TO ADOPT THE STATEMENT OF CONSISTENCY.

MAY I HAVE A MOTION? SAME SECOND.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

UH, ITEM TWO C, INITIAL ZONING OF PREVIOUS ANNEX.

ALL OPPOSED.

WISH.

IS THAT GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT'S REQUIRED EVERY TIME WE DO ONE OF THESE? YES, MA'AM.

AND WHEN THAT START, WHEN CHAPTER ONE 60 D BECAME EFFECTIVE, ACTUALLY IN 2006, WE WERE NOT DOING IT.

WELL NOW IT'S A PART OF OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES.

SO PUT IT ON YOUR RADAR AND INTEGRATED JUST, UH, BEFORE WE GO ON TO SEE, MAYBE, MAYBE WE DO JUST ONE GOING FORWARD WITH THAT.

BUT WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT A BIT, NICK, IF YOU PREFER TO DO IT IN ONE MOTION, WE'LL PACKAGE IT FOR YOU.

THE SUBSEQUENT ONES IN, IN ONE MOTION, THAT'S FINE.

BUT JUST FOR CONSISTENCY TODAY, LIKE SHE SAID.

OKAY, FOR THESE THREE, WE'LL DO, WE'LL DO TWO.

BOTH ARE OKAY.

UM, MOVING ON TO,

[2.C. Initial zoning of previously annexed parcels]

UH, THANK YOU MR. UM, STAFF DETERMINED THAT THERE'S POSSIB LAND WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION AT, UH, DID NOT RECEIVED.

THEIR INITIAL ZONING AT THE PILE OF ANNEXATION IS 29 TO BE EXACT.

THE, UH, OWNERS WERE NOTIFIED BY MAIL IN MAY.

ASKED IF THEY WOULD LIKE FREE TO INVITED THEM TO COME AND ATTEND.

TODAY, THERE'S THREE AREAS OF CONCENTRATION.

WEST 55 HIGHWAY AROUND THE AIRPORT AND HIGHWAY 70, ADJACENT AREA FIVE, HIGHWAY HIGHWAY.

A LITTLE FYI FOLKS, ABOUT HOW THE ZONE EVENT WORKS.

ANY OF THESE DAYS THAT ARE NOT LOCATED OR STILL INSIDE THE COUNTY OR OUTSIDE THE CITY'S JURISDICTION, INCLUDING THIS ONE HERE, THESE PROPERTIES WERE ALL ANNEXED OVER TIME VERSUS ONE, UH, BLANKET ANNEXATION THAT COVERED THE WHOLE AREA.

SO THAT'S HOW YOU CAN END UP WITH THE LITTLE SPOTS THAT ARE STILL ACCOUNTING.

WE'VE GOT THE, THE FOUR PARCELS THAT WE JUST LOOKED AT OPPOSING OUR 20 PRESIDENTIAL FOR OUR FOURTH.

THIS DISTRICT IS MANUFACTURE.

SO, UH, THE NEXT AREA THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS ADJACENT TO THE AIRPORT.

WE'VE GOT 14 UN UNKNOWN PROPERTIES HERE TO THE EXACT, UM, RECOMMEND A FIVE FOR THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN AGRICULTURAL USE OF SEVEN OF THOSE PARCELS.

FOR THIS ONE HERE, IT'S SEVERAL OF THESE ALL HERE.

UM, I, ONE IS BEING RECOMMENDED FOR THE PROPERTY OWNED BY THE CRAVEN COUNTY, UH, CRA COUNTY, WHICH IS ADJACENT TO THE AIRPORT.

THIS IS ALSO AT THEIR REQUEST AS THIS PARCEL HERE IS RIGHT ADJACENT TO THE RUNWAYS.

I ONE ALLOWS AIRPORT BY RIGHT, WHICH IS WHAT THEY WOULD WANT TO KNOW IF THEY HAVE TO EXPAND.

THEY WON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH ANY ADDITIONAL PROCESSES.

NOW WE'VE GOT A FEW OTHER, UM, RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS THAT ARE RECOMMENDED TO COMPLIMENT THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL USES ALONG BY .

WE'VE GOT TWO, THERE'S ONE LARGE ONE HERE, THE SAME PROPERTY OWNER, UM, AS AGRICULTURAL PROPERTIES.

AND THEN THERE'S THIS ONE OVER HERE, UM, ON THE WATERFRONT.

THAT'S WHY I RECOMMENDED RM A TO BE, UM, COHESIVE WITH THE EXISTING, THE EXISTING, THE ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ACROSS THE CREEK, YOU WE'RE RECOMMENDING K FIVE? A FIVE, YES.

FIVE.

THIS IS AN EXISTING MARSH ISLAND.

YEP.

IT'S NOT GONNA BE DEVELOPED.

UM, SO THAT'S

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WHAT ABSOLUTELY.

SO THE PRIMARY USE IS AGRICULTURE, RIGHT? UM, IF YOU WANT TO DO SINGLE FAMILY RIGHTS, THEY'VE GOTTA BE A MINIMUM OF, UH, FIVE ACRES.

IT DOES ALLOW THE RESIDENTIAL USES SUCH AS DUPLEX, MULTIFAMILY, A FEW OTHER USES LIKE HOMES THAT HANDICAP CHILDCARE HOMES, MANUFACTURE HOMES, CLASS CLASS B.

SO THAT'D BE MULTIPLE COUPLE SINGLE WIDE.

SETH, ALSO, WHY DON'T YOU SPEAK TO THE FACT THAT THE, THAT'S WHAT THE OWNER WANTED.

AND WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE OWNER HERE, DANIEL, REPRESENTING, REPRESENTING, I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS THE OWNER'S DESIRES.

UH, MANY OF THESE PROPERTIES ARE OWNED BY THE ARTHUR FAMILY.

THEY'RE ARTHUR FARM SIGN.

YOU CAN SEE IT ON BRYCE CREEK.

BRYCE CREEK ROAD.

IF YOU'RE HEADING, UH, TOWARDS JACKSONVILLE.

UM, THEY HAVE USED THIS PROPERTY FOR FARMING PURPOSES.

YOU SEE THEIR COWS, YOU SEE THEIR HAY, UH, YOU SEE THEIR, THEIR FARM EQUIPMENT OUT THERE ANYTIME YOU DRIVE THROUGH.

AND THEY, THEY HAVE NO PLANS TO CHANGE THAT.

UH, CURRENT, UH, MEMBER OF THE FAMILY THAT FARMS MOST OF THIS PROPERTY IS, UH, VERY YOUNG AND FARMER'S AND FARMER'S CAREER STANDS.

AND SO HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY INTENT TO CHANGE IT.

UM, IF YOU RECALL, HIS PROPERTY WAS BROUGHT INTO THE CITY LIMITS, NOT BY REALLY BY THEIR CHOICE, BUT AS AN ACCOMMODATION THAT ASSISTS THE CITY WITH BRINGING CAROLINA COLORS INTO THE CITY.

UH, CITY LIMITS AS WELL.

AND SO, UH, REALLY FROM THE ARTHUR'S PERSPECTIVE, WE JUST WANT THE, THEY JUST WANT THE PROPERTY.

THEY WANNA BE ABLE TO USE THE PROPERTY.

THEY WAY USED IT FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AND DON'T WANT THAT TO CHANGE.

WITH THE RESIDENTIAL USES THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, THE MINIMUM LAST SIZE IS FIVE ACRES? NO, NO EIGHT.

WHAT'S A FIVE IS WITH THE R 10? THERE WOULD BE 10.

OH, WITH R 10.

THAT'S THE, ANOTHER ONE OF THE ARTHUR, UM, FAMILY MEMBERS OWNS THIS PIECE HERE AND HE INTENDS TO CUT IT UP IN THE PIECES TO GIVE TO HIS GRANDCHILDREN.

AND SO THAT'S WHY THEY, THEY DON'T, UM, HAVE ANY LONG TERM INTEREST IN AGRICULTURE ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE.

THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT THAT ALLOWS TO BE HOME SITE SIZE BOX TO BE CUT.

THAT'S WHY I WOULD RECOMMEND OUR TEAM PAY FOR THIS VERSUS ANOTHER AGRICULTURAL, THE REQUEST.

SO I'M TRYING TO GET A VIEW BASED ON THIS ALONG WITH THIS.

AND WHAT THAT ONE PIECE THAT HE'S REFERRING, HOPING TO GET A R 10 YOU SAID TO CUT UP THAT I'M ASSUMING IS A SEVEN DASH 1 0 3 DASH 11.

YES, MA'AM.

AND THAT'S PREFERRED ON HERE, CORRECT? YES MA'AM.

ALL THE ONES IN THE BROWN AT THE, FOR THE TOP ARE ALL THE, THE AIRPORT ALL.

OKAY, I SEE WHAT TALKING ABOUT.

GOTCHA.

WE'LL MOVE ON DOWN TO THE CAROLINA COLORS AREA.

SO THE LAST AREA THAT WE'VE GOT HERE, THERE'S FIVE ALTOGETHER.

FOUR ARE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO, UH, CAROLINAS DEVELOPMENT.

SOME OF THEM ACTUALLY BY CAROLINAS.

THE FIFTH OVER HERE IS OWNED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

SO SORT OF A WOOD MARSH TYPE AREA.

IT'S NOT SUIT FOR DEVELOPMENT AT ALL.

THIS AREA IS A FIVE.

IT'S THE SAME TYPE OF PROPERTY FOREST PROPERTY, THE FOUR THAT ARE, UH, IMMEDIATE VICINITY OF WATER GATEWAY AND CAROLINAS RECOMMENDED C3.

THAT'S ALSO ABOUT THE REQUEST OF, UM, CALL ME ON BEHALF OF CAROLINAS AND REQUESTED C3 FOR, UM, SO, SO YOU'RE DOWN SIR.

CONTACT THE STAFF FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

UM, SO AGAIN, WE NOTIFIED OF THE PROPERTY ORDER ON MAY 11TH, 2023.

THIS PROCESS AND BEING INITIATED, INVITED TO

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WE'VE NOT RECEIVED ANY NEGATIVE FEEDBACK.

AGAIN, EACH PARCELS EVALUATED BY THE EXISTING USEABILITY AND ADJACENT COUNTY DISTRICTS.

AND THEN INPUT FROM THE UNAVAILABLE TO, UH, SO IF IT WERE A PLEASURE OF THE BOARD, WE CAN TAKE, IF WE COULD RECOMMEND A MOTION TO FORWARD THESE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE BOARD OF, OKAY.

SO I'LL GET YOU, THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION.

I PRESUME WE NEED ONE OF THOSE FROM THIS AS WELL FOR THE INITIALS ON.

SO I HAVE A MOTION.

SECOND.

I HAVE A MOTION FROM SUNNY TO RECOMMEND ALL THESE TO, TO BOARDMAN.

WE HAVE A SECOND.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, NEAR THE AIRPORT, THE, THE LOT THAT THE FAMILY WOULD LIKE TO GIVE TO THE GRANDCHILDREN WAS SPLIT IN THE PIECES.

DOES THAT CREATE ANY ISSUES? BECAUSE IT'S NEXT TO THE CRA COUNTY PIECE, WHICH IS NEXT TO THE AIRPORT.

I MEAN, THE ONLY, NOT ONLY POTENTIAL, I GUESS AT SOME POINT DOWN THE LINE IT, IT WOULD BE WHO DEVELOPS VERSA.

OUR HEIGHT LIMITS, FOR EXAMPLE, OUR HEIGHT LIMITS ARE MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN THE AIRPORT'S HEIGHT LIMITS.

SURE.

I THINK OURS ARE 45 FEET, AND I'VE TALKED TO THE COUNTY ABOUT THIS AND THEIRS ARE HUNDRED 50 FEET, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

WELL, I REALIZE THERE'S A PIECE ACROSS THAT ROAD R 10 A THATS UP NEXT TO THAT ON THE NORTH.

THAT'S THE PROPERTY.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.

I WAS JUST ASKING THAT QUESTION.

JUST THAT BE THE ONLY TO CONSIDER.

I THINK IF IT WAS A LARGER PIECE AND THEY WEREN'T GONNA DO LIKE A TRADITIONAL SUBDIVISION, THE AIRPORT WOULD PROBABLY WEIGH IN ON THAT AND NOT BE IN FAVOR.

CUZ THEY DON'T TYPICALLY LIKE TO SEE SUBDIVISIONS, AT LEAST IN THE OTHER AIRPORTS I'VE WORKED WITH.

SURE.

THEY MAKE THOSE COMMENTS.

THEY, IT JUST GENERATES MORE PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT AIRPORT NOISE AND THINGS.

BUT IN A CASE LIKE THIS WHERE IT'S MORE FAMILY, IT'S, IT'S A SUBDIVISION, BUT IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, A 500 LOT SUBDIVISION, A FAMILY SUBDIVISION.

YOU'RE JUST CREATING THESE MORE RURAL TYPE LOTS.

I I DON'T SEE THE AIRPORT HAVING ANY KIND OF, UH, PROBLEM GENERATED BY THAT AT ALL.

ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS SIDE? HEARING NONE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ALL OPPOSED, MOTION PASSES AND I'D LIKE TO, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR CONSISTENCY.

CONSISTENCY DISCUSSION.

NONE ALL IS IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

[2.D. Discussion Item: downtown parking]

DISCUSSION ITEM.

DOWNTOWN PARKING.

BEAUTIFUL DOWNTOWN.

SO, UM, ABOUT THIS ITEM, UH, OF FOR PARKING MINIMUMS CAN INHIBIT THE VARIETY OF USES POSSIBLE ON PARKING.

BY THAT I MEAN WITH EVERY USE IN THE TABLE USES HAS GOT A CODE ALONG IT, AND THEN THAT CORRESPONDS WITH THE PARKING APPLIANCE.

UM, SPECIALTY PERMIT REQUIREMENT FOR ELIMINATING EXISTING PARKING SPACES.

, UH, RESTAURANTS GOTTA HAVE X NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES PER, IN THIS CASE, HUNDRED SQUARE FEET PER A RESTAURANT WITH OUTDOOR DINING, UM, YOU I SAW EARLIER, BUT IT'S A PARKING SPACE FOR EVERY 75 SQUARE FEET.

ALL THESE THINGS GO INTO IT.

WHAT CAN BE ALLOWED ON A PROPERTY? SO WHEN YOU HAVE, UM, EXISTING DOWNTOWN, ESPECIALLY IN HISTORIC DOWNTOWN, WHERE WAS, WE'RE NOT VERY BIG TO BEGIN WITH.

UM, WHEN YOU HAVE NEW BUSINESSES WANTING TO COME IN, UH, ADAPTIVE REUSE, YOU KNOW, CHANGE OF USE, IT'S MOST COMMON.

WHAT'S GOING BE WHAT CAN GO IN HERE OR WHAT CAN NOT GO IN THERE IS GONNA BE DICTATED ON CAN THEY, CAN THEY PROVIDE OFF CREEK PARKING? AND WE DO ALLOW FOR SATELLITE PARKING, BUT THEY'RE SO IT'S SO SCAR SHEET THAT'S, I HAVEN'T SEEN ONE OF THOSE WORK OUT YET.

UM, WE DID CONTACT SEVERAL CITIES IN NORTH CAROLINA TO SEE WHO ELSE HAS, UH, DONE AWAY WITH.

UM, MINIMUM REQUIRED OFF TREE PARKING, INCLUDE RILEY ASHEVILLE GREEN, SOME OF THE POSSIBLE CONSIDERATIONS, TALKING POINTS FOR THE BOARD THAT EXPAND THE EXISTING PARKING EXEMPT AREA BOUNDARY.

WE'LL LOOK AT THIS SECOND,

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WE HAVE A, A, UM, PARKING IS AT A MINIMUM OR AT A, A HIGH VALUE.

YOU DON'T NECESSARILY WANT A PROPERTY OWNER WITH 200 PARKING SPACES TO SELL IT TO A HOTEL, BUT YOU KNOW, WHO WOULD, IF YOU MAKE A PARKING EXEMPT, THEY BULLDOZE THE WHOLE THING.

ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU, YOU'VE LOST A LOT OF THE PARKING SPACES THAT YOU DID HAVE.

THAT'S WHERE THE IDEA IS, ESPECIALLY FROM THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NEWBURN AND OTHER CITIES.

HOW DO OTHER CITIES, UH, REGULATE PARKING IN THEIR DOWNTOWN? AND ALSO IN CONSIDERATION ABOUT ACCOMMODATIONS FOR OVERNIGHT LODGING.

UH, IF WE DID EXPAND HEAT PARKING EXEMPT AREA, MAYBE SOME THINGS LIKE ESPECIALLY OUR, UM, SHORT TERM RENTALS, ET CETERA, MIGHT WE NEED TO STILL HAVE A PARKING REQUIREMENT.

THIS IS OUR EXISTING, UM, DOWNTOWN RETAIL CORE.

THIS IS THE AREA THAT, UH, PARKING EXEMPT RIGHT NOW WITH NO PARKING REQUIREMENTS.

UH, ONE OPTION TO STAFF CONSIDERED IS TO EXPAND THIS AREA, UM, FRONT STREET ON BOTH SIDES, WHICH, UM, WE'VE GOT EAST FRONT STREET AND THEN SOUTH FRONT STREET.

ALL ANYBODY THAT HAS ANY COMMENTS OR, UM, MY INITIAL THOUGHT LOOKING AT THIS IS WHAT IS THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND NOT INCLUDING THE EAST SIDE OF EAST FLEX STREET? UM, THAT'S WHERE THE HOTEL IS.

THAT'S WHERE, UM, THERE, THERE ARE SOME, UH, CONDOS APARTMENTS THERE AND, UM, THE GALLEY STORE.

SO MY ONLY THOUGHT THERE WAS, UM, IT MAKES SENSE TO ME TO INCLUDE THOSE, UM, IN THAT PARTICULARLY IF WE HAVE, IF WE, IF IT'S ULTIMATELY DECIDED TO HAVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ELIMINATE EXISTING PARKING, UM, I THINK THAT WOULD MAKE THAT AREA MORE CONDUCIVE TO WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER OR WHAT THE BOARD MIGHT CONSIDER, UM, UM, GOOD DEVELOPMENT.

UM, AS IT IS, IF, IF WE, IF IT IS, IF YOU PROCEED AND SAY, OKAY, THOSE PARCELS ARE LARGE ENOUGH TO SUPPORT ONSITE PARKINGS, SO WE DON'T INCLUDE THEM IN THE, UM, THAT ESSENTIALLY PRECLUDES ANY SORT OF SUBDIVISION OR DEVELOPMENT ON A SMALLER SCALE SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T INCLUDED THEM IN THE, UH, UM, IN THE CENTRAL, UH, BUSINESS CORE OR THE CENTRAL RETAIL CORE AND ALLOW FOR THE REDUCTION OF PARKING REQUIREMENTS.

SO I'LL SAY THIS, SETH, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'LL TAKE THIS FIRST.

UM, ANYTIME WE MAKE A CHANGE, WE WANNA HAVE AN INTENT.

AND THE INTENT BEHIND US BRINGING THIS TO YOU IS THE PROBLEM OF BEING ABLE TO ISSUE A ZONING PERMIT FOR EXISTING BUILDINGS AND REUSING THEM ANDOR, PRESERVING THAT CHARACTER WHEN I SEE LARGE UNDEVELOPED PARCELS, UM, AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE.

AND THOSE ARE MARKETABLE AND THEY'RE ON THE WATER.

UH, WE, WE CALLED OUT OVERNIGHT LODGING A LITTLE BIT SEPARATELY BECAUSE MM-HMM.

, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOOD PRACTICE TO PERSONALLY, UM, ALLOW FOR A USE LIKE THAT AND NOT HAVE DESIGNATED PARKING SPACES.

AND THAT WOULD STAND FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT OR EXISTING DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER THAT'S EXISTING USE OR AN EXISTING BUILDING.

BUT WE ARE, WE STARTED THIS CONVERSATION TO FOCUS ON HOW CAN WE FACILITATE THE REUSE OF WHAT WE'VE GOT DOWN THERE AND LEGALLY ISSUE ZONING PERMITS WITHOUT EVERY ONE OF THESE BUSINESSES HAVING TO GO ASK FOR A VARIANCE FOR PARKING TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.

CUZ IF WE START ENFORCING THE PARKING STANDARDS AS, UM, I BELIEVE THEY SHOULD BE ENFORCED, I THINK WE WOULD BE OVERLOADING THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT EVERY TIME SOMEBODY WAS TRYING TO OPEN A BUSINESS CUZ THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO MEET THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.

SO KEEP THAT IN THE FOREFRONT AS WE TALK THROUGH SOME OF THESE THINGS.

I THINK PLEASE, SIR, MAKE YOU ASK THESE BUSINESSES ARE THERE NOW, WHEN THEY DECIDED TO OPEN THIS BUSINESS, THEY WERE NOT GIVEN SO MANY PARKING SPOTS.

CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE, WHAT'S WHAT'S THE SPECIFIC, LIKE THE BUSINESS IF YOU HAVE DOWN THERE, WOULDN'T BRING LIKE THE GOLD BEAR LOT OR THE RED BEAR LOT THAT YOU'VE GOT HIGHLIGHTED ON HERE? WHEN THEY WERE GIVEN THAT BUSINESS, THEY WEREN'T GIVEN SO MANY PARKING SPOTS.

THE, THE BEAR LOTS ARE EXISTING CITY PARKING LOTS.

UM, BUT THERE ARE BUSINESSES THAT HAVE COME IN DOWNTOWN WHO'VE REPURPOSED SOME OF THE, THE STRUCTURES THERE MM-HMM.

WHERE PARKING REQUIREMENTS HAVE NOT BEEN ENFORCED EVEN HANDEDLY.

THAT THEY'VE CHANGED THEIR USE.

SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT TOLD.

THEY HAVE SO MANY PARKING SPOTS.

AND, AND I WILL SAY TO AMEND THAT STATEMENT VERY OFTEN WHEN SOMEONE COMES INTO AN EXISTING STRUCTURE, UM, THEY DON'T NOTIFY STAFF

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SO OFTENTIMES YOU'LL SEE A BUSINESS AND A STRUCTURE THAT WAS EXISTING, THE USE HAS CHANGED, STAFF WAS NOT NOTIFIED.

SO YOU HAVE A BUSINESS THAT'S ALREADY IN OPERATION THAT'S ALREADY DOING THEIR THING.

AND NOW WE COME IN AFTER THE FACT TO TRY TO ENFORCE PARKING AND THAT BECOMES UNCOMFORTABLE.

SO I THINK WHAT STAFF IS BRINGING TO YOU ARE SOME OF THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES REQUIRE A GLOBAL SOLUTION SO THAT WE CAN HAVE SUSTAINABLE GROWTH ACROSS OUR DOWNTOWN.

WELL SAID.

THANK YOU.

UM, I'LL ADD TO TO THAT, I REACHED OUT TODAY TO, UM, SWISS PERRY, TO THE, UH, DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY.

AND, UM, I WAS TOLD THAT I COULD QUOTE HER AS SAYING THAT SHE IS IN FAVOR OF REMOVING ALL PARKING RESTRICTIONS DOWNTOWN, SUCH THAT, UM, THE RESTRICTIONS, UH, MANY CITIES ARE DOING THIS NOW.

THEY'RE GETTING RID OF THEIR PARKING OF AREAS.

AND SO THEY'RE LOOKING TO, UM, WHEN SOMEONE COMES IN, THEY WANT DEVELOP THESE AND HAVE, UM, NOT HAVE THAT OVER NORMAL.

UM, UM, THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE YOU WANTED ME TO SAY.

SO'S JUST THINK ABOUT EXISTING PARKING SPACES WITHIN THE, THE CROSS HATCH AREA HAVE TO BE PRESERVED.

THAT'S A DIFFICULT QUESTION.

SO THAT'S WHY WE WE'RE GONNA GET TO A CONVERSATION ON, IF YOU ELIMINATE PARKING THAT ALREADY EXISTS, HOW SHOULD WE HANDLE THAT? BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD A SITUATION RECENTLY WHERE, UM, BUSINESS OWNER HAD SOME PARKING.

THEY, THEY, WITHOUT STAFF'S PREVIOUS APPROVAL, CREATED AN OUTSIDE PATIO.

IT REMOVED PARKING SPACES THAT DID EXIST AND THE NEIGHBORS ARE GOING BONKERS.

UM, AND I, AND I GET THAT, WELL NOW THESE PEOPLE AREN'T PARKING THERE AND THEY WERE, THEY ALLOWED TO DO THIS.

AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING RIGHT NOW THAT SAYS WHEN WE, WE DIDN'T ISSUE THEM A PERMIT THAT SAYS YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE THIS MANY PARKING SPACES OR THAT SAID, YOU DON'T NEED THESE PARKING SPACES.

BUT BECAUSE IN THIS AREA AND IF WE POTENTIALLY EXPAND THE AREA, BECAUSE I THINK EXPANDING IT IS SOMETHING THAT PERHAPS IF IT'S ALLOWED IN THE YELLOW THAT WE SHOULD HAVE THAT THE SAME RIGHTS FOR VERY SIMILARLY DEVELOPED PROPERTY DOWN THERE.

UM, WE JUST NEED TO HAVE A BETTER, MORE LEGALLY SOUND WAY TO SAY YES OR NO.

THAT THEY HAVE THESE PARKING SPACES.

THERE ARE THE PUBLIC PARKING SPACE, THERE'S ABOUT 600 PARKING SPACES DOWN THERE BETWEEN THE STREET PARKING AND THE PUBLIC PARKING SPACES.

NOBODY'S ASSIGNED THOSE.

THEY BELONG TO EVERYONE TO USE.

SO YOU CAN'T ACCOMMODATE THE PUBLIC PARKING SPACES IN YOUR CALCULATION.

IF WE WERE TO APPLY THIS AREA, LIKE WE WOULD A NEW TARGET ACROSS TOWN SOMEWHERE, LET'S SAY.

SO.

SO THERE'S THAT.

WHAT WE'RE, UM, INTERESTED IN HAVING A CONVERSATION IS DO YOU THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE, UM, BECAUSE WE ARE TREATING THIS AS A LITTLE SPECIAL DIFFERENTLY AS A KIND OF AN OVERLAY TO SAY, IF YOU'D LIKE TO GET RID OF THOSE PARKING SPACES TO EXPAND YOUR BUSINESS, THERE NEEDS TO BE A CHECK AND BALANCE ON THAT.

AND THAT THAT MAY BE THE EASIEST SOLUTION IN MY HEAD IS TO SAY, WE DON'T WANNA SAY YES OR NO.

THIS IS A CASE BY CASE THING BECAUSE THIS WHOLE DISTRICT IS A CASE BY CASE THING.

LET THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT DECIDE YOUR CASE BASED ON THE SPECIAL USE CRITERIA.

, YES.

WE FEEL LIKE IT'S OKAY FOR YOU TO LOSE THOSE THREE SPACES THAT YOU'VE ALWAYS HAD TO USE.

OR MAYBE THEY SAY, NO, NO, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA APPROVE THAT.

BUT STAFF SHOULD NOT BE DECIDING THAT ARBITRARILY.

AND TO ME, THE BIGGER ISSUE IS THE, THE ISSUES THAT I SEE WITH THIS IS THE MAJORITY OF THE RED CROSS THAT AREA CROSS THAT AREA, AT LEAST ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS SO MIXED BUSINESS AND RESIDENTIAL.

THERE'S A LOT MORE RESIDENTIAL THERE.

AND SO IF BUSINESSES WHO ALREADY HAVE PARKING SPACES START ELIMINATING THEM AND THAT AFFECTS THE RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA.

THE OTHER PROBLEM YOU HAVE IS, IS THAT YOU'RE SURROUNDED ON TWO SIDES BY WATER AND YOU'RE GOING TO THE EDGE.

SO WHERE DO THOSE PEOPLE GO WHEN THEY WANT TO PARK? THEY'RE GONNA GO UP AND OVER AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE AND MORE PEOPLE.

UNLESS THE CITY OF NEWBURN PUTS MORE PUBLIC PARKING IN PLACE, IF YOU'RE GONNA ELIMINATE PARKING SPACES, YOU BETTER PUT PUBLIC PARKING IN PLACE SO THAT IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.

YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

UH, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, UM, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES STAFF DID A PARKING STUDY MM-HMM.

AND ACTUALLY INVENTORIED EVERY PUBLIC PARKING SPACE IN THE DOWNTOWN.

BUT I'M NOT SURE IF THE DATA SUPPORTS A LACK OF DOWNTOWN PUBLIC PARKING VERSUS AN OTHER UTILIZATION OF EXISTING DOWNTOWN PARKING.

, AND I THINK MADAM DIRECTOR INDICATED PREVIOUSLY THAT THERE ARE ABOUT 600 PUBLIC PARKING SPACES DOWNTOWN.

I'M NOT SURE IF THE DATA, AND I'M NOT A STATISTICIAN,

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SO I WAS ON THE PARKING COMMITTEE FROM HANCOCK TO THE RIVER AND FROM BROAD STREET TO THE RIVER IF THERE WERE 3000 PARKING SPACES, YES.

BUT THE MAJORITY OF THOSE PARKING SPACES ARE PAID PARKING SPACES.

SO THEY'RE NOT ALL, THEY'RE, I, I'VE HEARD THIS FROM A NUMBER OF BUSINESS PEOPLE DOWNTOWN.

THEY ALL SAY THERE'S OVER 3000 PARKING SPACES IN NEWBURG.

WE DON'T NEED ANYMORE PARKING.

THAT THE MAJORITY OF THOSE PARKING SPACES ARE, ARE LEASED.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT FOR PUBLIC PARKING.

AND WHEN WE GET A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE DOWNTOWN, THEY HAVE NOWHERE TO PARK THE, WELL, THE LEASE LOTS.

IF YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE ONES NEXT TO MORGANS, THAT IS, ARE THEY CHANGING THAT IN THE ONES BY THE TAX OFFICES? CONSIDER DOESN'T THE ONLY LEASE ONES I KNOW OF NO.

ALL BEHIND THE OMAR'S BUILDING ALL THOSE, THEY, THEY'RE ALMOST DONE.

THAT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY.

THAT'S PRIVATE.

BUT STILL IT'S, IF IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY OR PUBLIC PARK PROPERTY, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

THE ISSUE IS THAT GETS INCLUDED IN THIS 3000 PARKING SPACES NUMBER.

AND THE PROBLEM IS YOU CAN'T PARK THERE UNLESS YOU LEASE THE SPACE MONTHLY.

SO IT, TO ME, IT IT, IT'S MISLEADING TO SAY THAT THERE'S 3000 PARKING OVER 3000 PARKING SPACES IN NEWBURN BECAUSE NOT ALL THE PEOPLE THAT COME TO NEWBURN CAN PARK THERE.

WELL, THE PROBLEM IS, WITH 3000 PARKING SPACES, YOU'RE, YOU'RE HURTING BUSINESS'S ABILITIES TO EXPAND IN SOME OF THOSE AREAS BECAUSE THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS AND DBS AND OTHERS THAT WANT TO EXPAND OR PERHAPS WANT TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT BECAUSE THERE'S PARKING.

THERE FACT, PEOPLE LIKE THE BENJAMIN ELLIS HOUSE AND PEOPLE LIKE THAT ARE ADVOCATING.

WE MAKE ALL OF DOWNTOWN PEDESTRIAN AREA.

THEY DON'T, THERE IS, THEY'RE NOT.

BUT THERE IS NO DRIVING, THERE IS NO PARKING, THEY'RE NOT BEING AFFECTED BY LACK PARKING SPACES.

THEY WANT TO ELIMINATE THEM.

WHAT HAPPENS THEN? PEOPLE GO OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS .

SO NOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, I HAVE THIS SITUATION IN CALIFORNIA AND THE CITY THAT I LIVE IN, IN CALIFORNIA.

AND THE ISSUE BECOMES THEN YOU GET A BUNCH OF RESIDENTS IN THESE OTHER AREAS APPLYING THAT THEIR STREET SHOULD BE PERMIT PARKING CUZ THEY CAN'T PARK OUTSIDE THEIR OWN HOMES.

AND NOW YOU'VE CREATED THIS ZONE THAT'S PERMIT PARKING PLUS ALL THIS OTHER PARKING THAT YOU CAN'T USE AND SPACES GET, GET ELIMINATED AND THEN YOU DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE FOR PEOPLE TO PARK WHEN THEY COME TO.

SO THE CITY HAS TO ADDRESS IT, IN MY OPINION, TO ESTABLISH PARKING AREAS FOR PEOPLE THAT VISIT NEW MORE THAN THAT THAN WHAT'S THERE.

I AGREE.

WITHOUT OBJECTION.

I I THINK YOU ALL ARE ARE NOTICING THE TENSION YEAH.

HERE WITH THIS ISSUE THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF USES, A LOT OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF INTERESTS, A LOT OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF STAKEHOLDERS THAT HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED.

UM, AND IT'S NOT AN EASY ANSWER, NOT AN EASY CONVERSATION TO HAVE.

I THINK FOR PURPOSES OF MOVING THE CONVERSATION FORWARD, THE FIRST QUESTION FOR YOU ALL TO ANSWER IS, IS THERE A NEED TO EXPAND THE EXISTING DOWNTOWN RETAIL BUSINESS CORE? THAT'S QUESTION ONE.

WE DON'T GET TO ANY OTHER CONSIDERATIONS UNLESS A MAJORITY OF YOU ALL AGREE THAT THAT EXEMPTION ZONE SHOULD BE LARGER.

SO I'M INTERESTED, I THINK STAFF IS INTERESTED, UM, TO HEAR WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE ON AT LEAST THAT QUESTION.

DO DO HAVE A SENSE AS TO HOW MANY BUSINESSES HAVE APPLIED TO CHANGE THE USE OR CHANGE THE PROPERTY SUCH THAT THEY HAVE TO REQUEST A VARIANCE FOR THE PARKING? IS THAT EVERY TIME THAT THEY RE THAT THAT A BUSINESS CHANGES? LIKE YOU SAID BEFORE, SOMETIMES BUSINESSES GET SOLD OR WHATEVER AND THEN THE USE CHANGES, BUT STAFF ISN'T NOTIFIED BECAUSE IT FALLS WITHIN THE EXISTING ZONE, I WOULD IMAGINE.

IS THAT, IS THAT ACCURATE? YES, I ANSWER.

I FEEL PHONE CALLS ON A REGULAR BASIS WITH PEOPLE SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA MARKET THIS PROPERTY.

WHAT CAN WE, IF WE'RE DOING A, UM, IF IT IS GONNA BE A CHANGE OF USE, I'LL JUST LET 'EM KNOW WHAT THE PARKING REQUIREMENT WILL BE.

MAYBE THEY CAN DO IT.

MAYBE THEY CAN.

A LOT OF THE, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF BUSINESSES HAVE CONSULTANTS THAT DO THE RESEARCH SURE.

AND REALIZE BEFORE WE EVEN HAVE A CONVERSATION.

NO, IT'S A TOUGH PROBLEM.

WELL, IT'S LIKE PUN THE OLD ELKS TEMPLE BUILDING OR THE ELKS BUILDING.

YEAH, THAT'S PARKING EXEMPT.

BUT THEY, THEY BROUGHT THAT PARTS BEHIND IT BECAUSE THEY KNEW THEY WEREN'T PARKING FOR THEIR CUSTOMERS.

AND THAT'S WHY ACTUALLY SOME CITIES LIKE, UH, RALEIGH FOR EXAMPLE, THEY HAVE PARKING MAXIMUMS THAT THEY WANT AS MUCH OF THE PROPERTIES, AS MUCH AS THE LAND AREA TO BE DEVELOPED FOR, UM, THE BUSINESSES AND SERVICES THAT THEY KNOW THAT SOME RETAIL OR SOME BUSINESSES ARE GONNA WANT TO PROVIDE A LARGE SCALE PARKING LOT.

AND THAT'S WHY THEY ACTUALLY HAVE MAXIMUM.

SO YOU CAN'T USE THIS SO MUCH TOWARD NOW I THINK MAYBE THEY'RE PUBLIC PARKING INVENTORY MIGHT BE DIFFERENT.

DOWNTOWN IS ALREADY SO INACCESSIBLE.

SO THE YELLOW ZONE, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, HAS ALREADY HAD THE STATUS.

AND YOU'RE ASKING SHOULD WE EXPAND IT? YES MA'AM.

THAT'S ONE CONSIDERATION FOR THIS BOARD.

AND I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF EXPLAINING.

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I MEAN, IT WASN'T DESIGNED FOR CARS TO BEGIN WITH.

WE'LL THROW THAT OUT THERE OBVIOUSLY.

SO GIDDY UP.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE ABOUT THIS.

BUT TO MAKE A POINT, AND THIS IS COMING FROM A A PERSONAL SIDE, YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUALS WITH MOBILITY DISABILITIES ALREADY STRUGGLE ATON IN DOWNTOWN.

THERE'S A LACK OF JUST BASIC, YOU KNOW, THE OLD, YOU KNOW, BRICK SIDEWALKS ARE, THEY COME UP, YOU KNOW, CONSTANTLY, YOU KNOW, THEY CATCH MY WIFE'S WHEELCHAIR TIRE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

THERE IS A LACK OF HANDICAPPED PARKING.

UH, I'VE ACTUALLY ALMOST BEEN CED FOR PARKING ILLEGALLY JUST TO ACCOMMODATE MY WIFE'S RENT IN WHEELCHAIR.

AND SO THIS IS WHERE IF WE DO PUT THIS IN HERE, THEN I BELIEVE THE CITY NEEDS TO COME IN WITH THESE PUBLIC PARKING SPACES THAT ARE ALONG THE STREETS AND MAKE THEM MORE ACCESSIBLE BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE A BIG ISSUE.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, ON THE CARS HERE IT SAYS EVERYTHING COMES TOGETHER HERE, BUT ON THE, ON THE CITY VEHICLES.

BUT YOU KNOW, IF EVERYTHING'S COMING TOGETHER, THEN EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO COME TOGETHER AND ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO ENJOY DOWNTOWN FOR ALL IT'S WORTH.

AND NOT HAVING THE ADEQUATE PARKING, YOU KNOW, THOSE IN SPECIFICALLY MANUAL WHEELCHAIRS ARE GOING TO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE.

NOT ONLY FINDING PARKING SPOTS, GETTING TO THE BUSINESSES THEY WANT TO AND JUST BEING ABLE TO ENJOY, YOU KNOW, ALL THE FESTIVITIES THAT GO ON THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

UH, THERE'S REALLY NOT A GOOD RESOLUTION FOR THE PARKING SITUATION.

I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT GONNA MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY.

WHETHER YOU FIND SOME LAND TO PUT UP, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE A THREE STORY PARKING GARAGE.

PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA BE HAPPY ABOUT THAT, OBVIOUSLY, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT HAVE LIVED HERE THEIR ENTIRE LIVES.

BUT I DON'T KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO THROW OUT THERE THAT FOR THOSE WITH DISABILITIES, IT'S NICE ACCESSIBLE AT ALL.

AND THIS ONE JUST, I THINK THIS ONE JUST HURT EVEN MORE.

I MEAN, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT BUSINESSES WANT MOVE INTO THESE AREAS THEY CALL SETH.

WAIT A MINUTE, YOU DON'T HAVE A PARKING SPACE RIGHT THERE.

BE ABLE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

AND YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANT TO RESTRICT BUSINESS BY THE SAME TOKEN.

I'M JUST NOT SO SURE THAT, I JUST FEEL LIKE THE CITY NEEDS TO ADDRESS THE PARKING ISSUE A LITTLE BIT MORE BEFORE WE JUST INCLUDE THAT AREA AS BEING EXEMPT.

AND CERTAINLY WE WOULD, I I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF IF YOU DID THAT, I'M NOT NECESSARILY IN FAVOR OF IT TODAY, BUT IF YOU DID THAT, IF THEY WANTED TO ELIMINATE ANY PARKING SPACES ON THAT PROPERTY WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED THAT THEY COULDN'T JUST EXISTING.

SO IS THERE JUST FOR DIRECTION FOR WE KNEW WE WERE JUST TRYING TO START THIS CONVERSATION.

IT'S GONNA TAKE US A WHILE TO WORK THROUGH IT.

GENERAL CONSENSUS.

WE WANT TO FIND AN ALTERNATIVE WAY TO ACCOMMODATE PARKING BETTER THAN EXPANDING THE DISTRICT.

IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? CAN WE, LIKE, IF IT WAS A, A VOTE TODAY, WE, WE LIKE EXPANDING OR NOT? ARE WE WHO'S SAYING NO? WHO'S SAYING YES? I'M A NO, I'M A NO.

I'M A NO.

I'M, I'M A YES.

NO.

WHAT'D YOU THINK MARSHALL? NO PRESSURE .

IT'S NOT A REAL VOTE.

IT'S, IT'S A POLL, NOT A VOTE.

EXCITE YOUR, I HEAR GOOD POINTS ON BOTH SIDES.

THE SIMPLEST WAY WAS TO DO THIS THAT WAY.

WE ARE, WE KIND OF STARTED HERE, BUT WELL, SINCE I HAVE THE FLOOR YES.

HAVE, HAVE YOU ALL THOUGHT ABOUT INSTALLING METERS THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE PURVIEW OF OUR DECISIONS HERE.

I THINK THAT'S BE PLAIN PARKING ON THE STREETS.

WE PUT METERS THAT DOESN'T, THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE AVAILABILITY OR UNAVAILABILITY OF PARKING.

THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

IT CERTAINLY WOULD BRING MORE REVENUE TO THE CITY, BRING MORE REVENUE.

BUT IT, BUT IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACES.

THAT'S THE ISSUE.

I I THINK THIS IS A, A LOAN AND BIG AND POLITICAL DISCUSSION TO ME WAY OUTSIDE OF THE PROTEST.

I, I, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T NEED TO OFFEND ANYBODY HERE, BUT I DON'T LIKE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION HERE.

UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ENOUGH PEOPLE THAT KNOW A LOT MORE THAN THOSE OF US SITTING ON THIS BOARD ABOUT PARKING ISSUES OF DOWNTOWN.

TALKING THROUGH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WOULD GO ALONG WITH THE MAP AND IT GO, IT, WE COULD TAKE, WE USE THIS MAP FOR DISCUSSION AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD AND IT WAS, UH, REC OR RECOMMENDED NOT TO EXPAND THE DISTRICT.

UM, AND WHETHER OR NOT WE GIVE THE STAFF DIRECTION AS TO HOW TO MOVE WITHOUT HEARING FROM THOSE PEOPLE.

I, I, I, I PERSONALLY FEEL VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

WELL, ANOTHER WAY TO ACCOMMODATE IT IS WE KEEP

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AND WHEN I GIVE THE VOTE AND I EXPLAINED THE CONVERSATION AND THE PROS AND CONS ON BOTH SIDES, AND WE PUMP THAT BACK TO THE ELECTED OFFICIALS TO DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THIS BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY, YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION FAIR AND ADAM FAIR ENOUGH.

BUT THERE'S A HUNDRED ISSUES AND YOU'RE RIGHT ON A LOT OF 'EM.

AND, AND, AND I, SO TO ME TO BE A COMPLICATED, IT'S A, IT'S A COMPLICATED THING THIS CITY HAS BEEN DEALING WITH FOR VERY LONG TIME.

AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN HERE, I MEAN, I'VE LIVED HERE FOR FIVE YEARS MY WHOLE LIFE.

ONE ANSWER DOESN'T FIT OFF.

IT ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT.

NO, THAT'S RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, AND SO THAT'S WHERE IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S WAY OUTSIDE MY PAY GRADE AS GENTLEMAN OF THIS BOARD ME.

IT'S MORE BOARD OF ALL NEEDS TO GET RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THERE ARE ALL NEEDS SUCH AS HIS THAT ARE ABSOLUTELY.

LET'S, THOSE ARE WONDERFUL POINTS THAT WILL INCORPORATE IT.

AND, UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME THAT THIS IS THING YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT, UM, THAT REMOVE THOSE, I I, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT NAMES.

I'M NOT, I'M NOT SAYING ABSOLUTELY ENOUGH, BUT YOU KNOW, IN MY EYES, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT A BUSINESS, I GOT SOME LAYING BACK THERE, MIGHT USE IT FOR PARKING SPACES, YOU KNOW, AS A, JUST A, AS A GUY.

AND, AND THAT'S ALL I AM.

SO I, I DON'T KNOW.

MAKES UNCOMFORTABLE.

AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT BECAUSE OUR PARKING REGULATIONS ARE IN THE LAND USE ORDINANCES, ANY CHANGES WILL COME BACK TO YOU ALL.

UM, SO YAY.

FAIR ENOUGH.

AS A LEGAL RIGHT, RIGHT NOW, YOU THREW SOME NUMBERS AROUND BEFORE WHAT? A THOUSAND HUNDRED SQUARE FEET, WHAT CHANGES WOULD WE MAKE? I MEAN, WE MAKE LIKE 50 SQUARE FOOT FOR ONE CAR.

WELL, WE WERE TRYING NOT TO GET INTO ALL THOSE TEXT MEASURES WHERE EACH THING FOR A SPECIAL AREA, RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE TECHNICALLY EXEMPT.

WE DON'T CARE HOW BIG THE BUILDING IS.

JUST IN THE YELLOW.

THAT'S IN A YELLOW.

THE YELLOW, THERE ARE NO SPECIFIC PARKING REGULATIONS.

SO IF WE PUT SOME KIND OF A RESTRICTION RESTRICTION ON IT, PEOPLE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO OPEN UP A PARTICULAR BUSINESS.

IT'S THEIR OWN.

WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT EXISTS CURRENTLY.

I'M SAYING WE HAVE, THAT'S SORT A RESTRICTION.

SO NOW BY NOW I UNDERSTAND WHY, UH, THE, UH, THE, UH, PEOPLE, SWISS SWISS UNDERSTOOD NOT HAVING ANY, I UNDERSTAND WHY.

LYNN'S IN FAVOR OF THAT.

SURE.

BUT THEN YOU CAN, YOU'RE ALSO IN SOME BED AND BREAKFAST BUSINESSES, ARE YOU NOT? AND WE'VE ALREADY HAD THAT DISCUSSION AROUND ABOUT THAT IMPRESSION, WHICH, WHICH WAS POINTED OUT OF HE EXPANDED THIS PERHAPS NOT TO INCLUDE THEM IN THE EXEMPTION FOR THAT.

THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED.

WE UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE THOSE.

BUT THAT, THAT WOULD BE ALL AREA THAT YOU HAVE.

WELL, YOU CAN DO THAT WITH LANGUAGE BY EXCLUDING PARTICULAR USES THAT ARE PARKING HEAVY.

BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S THEN YOU'RE, THEN YOU'RE POTENTIALLY REDRAWING LINES ALL THE TIME, OR AT LEAST SOMEONE'S GOTTA KEEP TRACK OF THOSE USES AND WHAT'S EXEMPT AND WHAT'S NOT.

UM MM-HMM.

, YOU KNOW, THAT JUST GETS MUDDY IN MY OPINION.

AND, UM, WELL, AND THERE'S ACTUALLY A BUSINESS DOWN THERE ON SOUTH FRONT STREET THAT IS BEING BUILT THAT, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY CHANGED IT FROM THE B AND B TO A HOTEL CAUSE OF THE PARKING RESTRICTION.

SO THEY WANTED TO DO A HOTEL AND 5,000 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT.

THEY WERE GONNA, THE PARKING REQUIREMENT WAS GONNA BE 50, 60 SPACES.

THEY DIDN'T HAVE, THEY HAD 17, SO THEY HAD TO CHANGE.

SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

PEOPLE WERE TRYING TO BUILD BUSINESSES AND BRING MORE REVENUE INTO THE TOWN AND DO THINK I GET IT.

BUT WE'RE VERY LIMITED IN IT'S TOUGH.

IT'S A TOUGH PROBLEM.

THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT, IT'S TOUGH FOR US.

IT'S, WE CAN, WE CAN, WELL, I GUESS MAYBE FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, WHETHER YOU MAKE THE EXPANSION OR NOT, THE PARKING COUNT AS WE STAND TODAY DOESN'T CHANGE JUST BY CHANGING THIS.

WHETHER WHAT IT ALLOWS A BUSINESS TO DO IS TO OCCUPY A BUILDING THAT IS ALREADY THERE, OR A OR PARCEL THAT'S ALREADY THERE AND START A BUSINESS WITHOUT HAVING TO MEET PARKING REQUIREMENTS THAT MAY PRECLUDE THEM SIMPLY BECAUSE THERE'S NOT SPACE THERE TO ACCOMMODATE PARKING.

UM, DON'T PRECLUDE THEM.

MEANING HAVING ANY PARKING, ALL THE, I HAVEN'T LOOKED THAT CLOSE IN.

ARE THE ZONING BY PROPERTIES DIFFERENT? IS THERE A LOT OF INCONSISTENCY IN THERE? I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN GET TO, SO THE, THE OTHER THING YOU CONSIDER IS PARKING IS NOT BY ZOOMING, PARKING IS BY USE.

THAT'S, THAT'S HOW, THAT'S WHAT DETERMINES

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HOW MANY SPACES? IT'S DETERMINED BY USE, NOT BY THE ZOOM.

UM, AND SO WHILE ZONING IS, IS IMPORTANT, UM, THE USE IS WHAT TRIGGERS, YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT OF PARKING REQUIRED.

COULD YOU, I KNOW THIS IS CRAZY, I PROBABLY SHOULDN'T SAY SO LOUD, BUT COULD YOU, OH, WE JUST TALKED.

I'LL WATCH IT LATER ON.

YOUTUBE JOIN THE CROWD.

UM, COULD YOU, WOULD IT BE ADVANTAGEOUS TO TIE THE PARKING TO THE SOMETHING? DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE OR NO, BECAUSE FOR INSTANCE, A C4 WILL ALLOW ANY NUMBER OF, USES SOME OR MORE PARKING INTENSIVE THAN OTHERS.

AND SO IF YOU TIE IT TO THE ZONING, UM, IT, IT'S NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO CONTROL ANYTHING AT THAT POINT.

AND, UM, I, I GUESS THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD DO THAT IS BY DOING AN OVERLAND DISTRICT.

CUZ YOU'D HAVE TO TREAT THE PARKING HERE DIFFERENT THAN YOU WOULD IN ZONES ELSEWHERE.

I MEAN, BY USE IS, IS TYPICALLY HOW IT'S DONE.

UM, IT ALSO THEN ALLOWS YOU TO LOOK, THEN IT TRIGGERS BY SQUARE FOOTAGE OF A BUILDING.

THAT, THAT'S WHAT TRIGGERS HOW MANY SPACES YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE.

UM, I'M JUST THINKING IF, IF IT SEEMS LIKE THE GOAL IS TO NOT OVERWHELM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT WITH EVERY TIME SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE A CHANGE, THEY GOTTA GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.

IF, IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE, THEN HOW DO WE SOLVE THAT PROBLEM? SO WE'VE GOT TO, UNDER MY LEADERSHIP, I JUST FEEL IF YOU ARE GONNA COME CHANGE THE USE YOU NEED TO BE ISSUED A ZONING PERMIT.

AND THAT ZONING PERMIT IS GONNA CHECK YOUR USE, YOUR BUFFERING, IT'S GONNA CONNECT TO YOUR SIGNAGE AND HOW BIG IT IS AND HOW MANY PARKING SPACES YOU NEED TO HAVE.

AND THAT'S A COMPLETE CHANGE OF USE.

YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO MEET EXACTLY WHAT'S IN THE UNDERLYING ZONING DISTRICT BUILDING CODE'S GONNA LOOK AT IT A DIFFERENT, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY WHERE THE BUILDING'S THERE, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY THEY'D SAY, YOU HAVE THIS MANY TABLES, YOU NEED TO HAVE THIS MANY RESTROOMS. YOU GET A PASS ON BUILDING CODE IN THESE PREVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, MAKE, AS LONG AS IT'S MEETING WHAT THE CODE WAS, WHEN THE BUILDING WAS BUILT BY THE BUILDING CODE, THEY'RE GOOD WITH THAT.

ZONING'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

UM, WE, WE DESIGNED THE PARKING STANDARDS FOR THE USE ON THE BOTTOM LINE IS FOR NEW BUILDINGS AND THAT DOESN'T WORK HERE.

AND SO WE'VE GOTTA FIND A HAPPY SOLUTION BECAUSE WE WANT OUR DOWNTOWN TO THRIVE.

WE WOULD DON'T WANNA DENY EVERY USE THAT SOMEBODY ASKS IF IT MEETS THE, UM, REQUIREMENTS FOR THESE AREAS.

BUT WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THERE ARE 600 PUBLIC PARKING SPACES PUBLIC IN LOT THAT AREN'T LEASED OR ON THE STREET.

AND THOSE ARE NOT COUNTED BY ANYBODY.

AND SHOULD WE GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF A PASS TO A LARGER AREA BECAUSE THOSE 600 SPACES ARE, ARE OUT THERE AVAILABLE TO ANYONE AND ARE FREE AT THIS POINT? YES.

IS THE, IS THE CITY, DOES ANYONE, I'M SORRY, DOES ANYONE MAKE A LITTLE COMMENT? DOES THE CITY HAVE SPACE TO BUILD A GARAGE? IF NOT, LIKE I WAS SAYING EARLIER, PUT METERS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET REVENUES AND ALSO CREATE, I I THINK THE QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THERE IS SPACE FOR A PARKING DECK IS BETTER ANSWERED BY THE PEOPLE AT CITY HALL .

I MEAN, GIVE IT A TRY.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE IS A PROPOSAL, AND I THINK IT'S ON THE COUNTY, SOME OF THAT LAND DOWN BY THE CONVENTION CENTER I THINK IS COUNTY LAND.

, THERE WAS A PROPOSAL PUT IN BY SOMEONE WHO I SAY WHO IT WAS TO THE COUNTY TO BUILD A THREE STORY PARKING DECK THERE TO HELP OUT THE CITY.

BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY PROPOSAL I'VE EVER FOR ANY THAN THAT.

I DUNNO WHERE YOU PUT IT, .

I DON'T.

AND I DON'T THINK OUR JOB IS TO FIND MORE PARKING.

OUR JOB IS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO LEGALLY APPROVE BUSINESSES THAT MEET CRITERIA, BUT MAYBE NOT THE PARKING.

SO IS I'M A SIMPLE MAN.

THAT'S THE PROBLEM WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE.

BY MAKING THAT LANE USE EXEMPTION BIGGER, DOES THAT SOLVE THAT PROBLEM? YES.

WE THINK IT WOULD HELP.

I WE DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT.

IT COULDN'T HURT.

IT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER TO SAY, WELL, WHEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH THAT ZONING PERMIT, YOU MEET X, Y, AND Z AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO MEET THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE YOU FOLLOW THIS DISTRICT.

HERE'S YOUR ZING PERMIT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR $50 AND SEND YOU ONTO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

AND SETH'S PHONE WOULDN'T RING.

HEY,

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WE'RE ALL HERE FOR YOU.

SO THIS WAS YES.

A SIMPLE PLACE TO START BY SAYING, WELL GET RID OF IT.

MAYBE WE LOOKED BIGGER AND WE, WE EXEMPTED THOSE LARGE TRACKS ON PER ON ON PURPOSE FOR THE STARTING POINT OF CONVERSATION BECAUSE, UM, THEY, THEY WERE NOT TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE EXISTING BUILDINGS WE WERE TRYING TO HELP OUT.

I, SO ALL I'M TRYING TO DO IS NARROW US DOWN BECAUSE I, I THINK WE ALL AGREE PARKING DOWNTOWN'S A HORROR SHOW.

AND SO, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA SOLVE THE PARKING DOWNTOWN.

SO WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO SOLVE? AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE IS WHAT YOU JUST STATED.

AND SO IN THAT LIGHT, UM, I'M STILL IN FAVOR OF MOVING THAT DISTRICT TO THE AREAS THAT YOU HAVE HIGHLIGHTED.

IF THOSE ARE THE AREAS THAT YOU SEE THAT, THAT WOULD HELP THE CITY.

UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S MY COMMON POINT ELSE.

THAT'S OUR GOAL.

I MEAN, THAT BASICALLY CHANGES MY OPINION FROM A ASKING.

I MEAN THAT'S REALLY OUR, OUR GOAL IS SIMPLY TO, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT NULL NOTIFY FIGHT THE HOOPS.

WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT NULLIFYING GOING OUT THIS PARKING PROBLEMS. THAT'S FOR US TO COMPETE THE FEET ON THE FIRE FOR THOSE THAT WE'VE ELECTED TO SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS. YEAH.

BUT, BUT ELIMINATING THE HOOPS MEANS YOU ARE NOW CREATING MORE, POTENTIALLY CREATING MORE OF A PARKING PROBLEM.

WHEREAS TODAY YOU DON'T HAVE THAT ISSUE BECAUSE BY SAYING YOU CAN GO ANY BUSINESS YOU WANT THERE.

CUZ GUESS WHAT? IT'S ALL EXEMPT.

THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT.

AND I, I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT.

WHICH IS THE TREND OF THE CITIES THAT SETH LISTED.

THEY COMPLETELY EXEMPTED THE PARKING IN LARGE SLOTHS OF AREAS BASED ON THE FACT THEY'VE GOT PUBLIC PARKING AVAILABLE.

AND WHEN YOU SEE THAT HAPPEN, YOU GENERALLY SEE THOSE AREAS.

I MEAN, LOOK AT WASHINGTON, ONE OF THE CITIES THAT WAS MENTIONED IN THE LIST, THEY HAVE TONS OF PUBLIC PARKING ALL THE WAY AROUND THEIR DOWNTOWN AREA AND INCLUDING INSIDE THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

WHERE WE DON'T HAVE THAT.

OH, YOU GOT THREE LOTS.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW DOWNTOWN BIGGER THAN .

FAIR ENOUGH.

I MEAN, YOU GOT YOU.

IT'S A MATTER OF OPINION, BUT YOU GOT, YOU GOT THREE PUBLIC LOTS.

YOU GOT A GIGANTIC PARK DOWN THERE.

UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S STREET PARKING, THERE'S STREET PARKING, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE YOU WANT.

I MEAN, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF OPENING UP THE MORGAN'S LOT AND THE CITY HALL, THE, THE, THE, UH, LAW NEXT TO THE TAX PARCEL AND ANYTHING ELSE THE CITY OWNS THAT'S, YOU KNOW, GIVE.

BUT THAT'S NOT FOR ME TO DECIDE, YOU KNOW, BUT I, I THINK THERE'S A LOT THAT, JUST FOR THE RECORD, I I AGREE.

BEFORE WE GO, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT GETTING NEW PARKING.

I KNOW OUR, I KNOW THAT THAT'S OUR, NOT OUR JOB.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE BEFORE I SAY BEFORE YOU SAY, WELL JUST EVERYBODY, I NEED TO KNOW WHERE THE CARS ARE GONNA GO.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? JUST PERSONALLY, I I I'D CHALLENGE YOU JUST ABOUT ANY DAY OF THE WEEK, GO TO THE RED BEAR LOT.

AND THERE'S ALL, ALL THE PARKING YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE RIGHT THERE.

REALLY BLACK BEAR LOT.

AND, AND THE REASON THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CARS THERE CUZ EVERYBODY WANTS TO PARK RIGHT IN THE CORNER.

AND I GET IT.

WELL, BUT YEAH.

SEE, I I HEAR YOU.

SO, SO I WOULD CHALLENGE YOU TO THINK THAT IF YOU OPEN THIS AREA UP, THAT THAT MIGHT ENCOURAGE UTILIZATION OF THE RED BEAR LOT BECAUSE YOU'D HAVE MORE BUSINESSES OVER IN THESE AREAS POTENTIALLY.

UM, UH, IN SO YOU'RE THINKING THAT PART OF THE PART? WELL, I'M, I'M THINKING WE DON'T HAVE A PARKING PROBLEM DOWNTOWN.

THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING.

YEAH, NO, I'M SAYING SOME PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW.

I, I WORK DOWNTOWN EVERY DAY.

MY OFFICE IS DOWNTOWN.

AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A PARKING PROBLEM DOWNTOWN.

THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION IN GENERAL.

I DON'T, I DON'T NECESSARILY SEE THE CORRELATION BETWEEN MAKING ALL OF THOSE AREAS EXEMPT FROM PARKING REQUIREMENTS TO ENCOURAGING MORE BUSINESS TO GO INTO THOSE.

JUST IN GENERAL.

I MEAN, I'M SURE THERE ARE TIMES WHEN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A WHOLE THAT'S, I MEAN, SWEET.

YOU KNOW, HOW ABOUT WHEN THEY, I DON'T KNOW NOW.

CAUSE HOW ABOUT WHEN THEY CLOSE THE STREETS AND FRIDAY NIGHT FOR RESTAURANTS? NO STREET.

I'M NOT SO SURE THAT JUST MOVING THAT LINE SOUTH OF FRONT OF SOUTH FRONT STREET WILL ENCOURAGE MORE BUSINESSES TO OPEN UP IN THOSE AREAS SO THAT PEOPLE WILL USE THAT LOT.

CAUSE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF SPACE THERE TO OPEN UP.

WELL, JUST SAYING IN GENERAL, JUST, JUST THE ENTIRE AREA.

I MEAN, IF, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE IN A CORE, WHEN YOU MAKE THE CORE BIGGER, YOU'RE GONNA ENCOURAGE THAT AREA TO SPREAD OUT.

YOU'RE GONNA ENCOURAGE PARKING FARTHER FROM THE CORE TO GET TO OTHER AREAS THAT ARE NOW HAVE BUSINESSES.

AND YOU DON'T HAVE TOO MUCH FARTHER OUT.

YOU CAN GO, YOU CAN BE ON THE WATER .

CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN CLEAR FISHING TO US?

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I'M NOT NECESSARILY TRYING TO ENCOURAGE MORE BUSINESS.

I'M TRYING TO LEGALLY PERMITS ADDRESSING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

WELL, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS YOU GOTTA BUILD THAT NOT BEING USED OR, UH, A BUSINESS THAT'S TRYING TO USE IT, BUT THEY CAN'T USE IT.

UM, EXEMPTING THEM FROM PARKING ALLOWS 'EM TO USE IT.

THAT'S ENCOURAGING THAT BUSINESS TO, TO UH, TO COME BACK.

PROBABLY BE AN EXAMPLE OF THAT BUSINESS.

YEAH, EXACTLY.

BACK TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION, WHAT WOULD BE EXAMPLE OF THAT STATISTICS ON HOW OFTEN THAT'S HAPPENED WHERE SOMEBODY'S ASKING TO USE A PARTICULAR BUILDING FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND WE'VE HAD TO SAY NO, CAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING SPACES.

DOES THAT HAPPEN? YOU ON TRACK THE NUMBER OF ONLY APPLICATION PURPOSES THEY GET TO, MOST OF THE TIME THEY WOULDN'T APPLY.

THEY JUST WOULDN'T SUBMIT, SUBMIT IT.

I MEAN THAT'S FIND SOMEWHERE ELSE.

WELL, I MEAN, YOU THINK OF WHAT NEEDS A LOT OF PARKING RESTAURANTS.

WELL, TYPICALLY HOW THAT HAPPENS IS, UH, UH, HOTELS NEED A BUSINESS OWNER WOULD APPROACH CON OUR OFFICE AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS PARCEL HERE.

WE'D LIKE TO HELP LIKE YOU TO HELP US WITH OUR DUE DILIGENCE.

, FIRST THING, WE START LOOKING AT IT AS ZONING.

WE START LOOKING AT PARKING AND SAID, WE'LL TELL THEM, OKAY, HERE'S WHAT WE'VE DETERMINED BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE REQUESTING.

AND IT'S NOT FEASIBLE BECAUSE OF THE CURRENT.

UH, AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT NEVER GETS TO STAFF AT THAT POINT BECAUSE WE'VE TOLD THEM ALREADY.

IT'S NOT, YOU CAN'T DO WHAT YOU'RE WANTING TO DO ON THAT PARLEY WHAT THEY WANT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ORDINANCE.

SO, WHICH MEANS YOU SQUEEZING IN MORE BUSINESSES IN TIGHTER SPOTS.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT PARKING.

HEY.

SO ALSO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF I HAD, LET'S SAY ITS A CLOTHING STORE, SETH, I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU CALCULATE HOW MANY YOU NEED FOR A CLOTHING STORE, BUT LET'S SAY IT'S A CLOTHING STORE.

THEY, IT'S ALREADY A CLOTHING STORE AND THEY WANNA BE A NEW CLOTHING STORE.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S A WAY TO ACCOMMODATE THAT BY SAYING, WELL IT'S ALREADY BEEN USED FOR THIS.

IF IT WAS PERMITTED LIKE THAT WITH A ZONING PERMIT CORRECTLY TO BEGIN WITH.

WHICH JUST IN MANY TIMES HERE, QUITE FRANKLY, WASN'T HAPPENING.

I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT I ASKED ANOTHER QUESTION.

SO I'D LIKE TO CLEAN THAT UP ACROSS SOME SHELVE.

CHELSEA, UH, RESTAURANT.

YOU HAVE A BIG SPACE ACROSS THE STREET PRIVATELY.

HAVE Y'ALL LOOKED INTO THAT? IT'S ON MY PRIVATELY OWNED PROPERTY.

OH, PRIVATE, YOU MEAN THE CITY CAPE BY NOW, I'M NOT CERTAIN IF COPIES FOR SALE OH THANKS FOR SALE FUNDS OR NOT EVERYTHING AND, AND FINDING MORE PARKING DEFINITELY ISN'T OUR RESPONSIBILITY AT THIS LEVEL FOR SURE.

BUT IS, ARE THESE PAVED? THE GOLD BEAR AND THE RED BEAR? ARE THEY PAVED? YEAH.

AND DECIDING WHETHER TO CHARGE FOR IT IS NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY, BUT FINDING A WAY TO, TO ISSUE PERMITS, THAT THAT IS OUR GAME HERE.

SO, AND, AND WHAT MAKES IT DIFFICULT IN MY HEAD IS UNDERSTANDING THAT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND IT WOULD MAKE EVERYTHING EASIER PAPERWORK WISE.

BUT I KEEP, I KEEP GOING BACK TO WELL, HOW WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING MORE THAN FOR TO FIND POCKET.

AND YOU HAVE WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE IS THAT WE HAVE TO SEPARATE THAT.

AND IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SEPARATE .

THAT'S WHY WE'VE MADE SOME GOOD PROGRESS TODAY.

I THINK THE THREE OF US WILL, CAN PING PONG THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE BEFORE NEXT MONTH.

AND WE, IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE MARINATING ON IT ANOTHER MONTH.

WE'LL THINK ABOUT THAT.

I MEAN, LET ME SAY WE MAKE, WE'RE GONNA MAKE END UP MAKING A RECOMMENDATION CUZ WE, I FEEL LIKE IT'S MY RESPONSIBILITY TO SAY THIS IS A PROBLEM.

I CANNOT ISSUE THESE PERMITS.

I WANT TO BE ABLE TO ISSUE THESE PERMITS.

AND WE, WE TALKED ABOUT SOME SOLUTIONS AND HERE WERE THE PROS AND HERE WERE THE CONS.

AND THIS WAS A VOTE ON IT.

UM, YOU KNOW, AS IT WAS RECOMMENDED POLL NOT BUT IT'S NOT COMING TODAY.

AT SOME POINT WE'LL TAKE A VOTE ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

WE'LL PRESENT SOMETHING TO YOU.

WE WILL TAKE A VOTE ON IT.

IT WILL GET A RECOMMENDATION.

AND THAT'S WHERE I'LL START THE CONVERSATION.

IN THE PRESENTATION AND WE'LL, WE'LL PASS IT ON.

IT'S NOT OUR DECISION, IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO EVALUATE AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE TO DO TONIGHT.

WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE THIS TO OUR NEXT MEETING.

IF THAT YOU CAN EVEN MAKE THAT, THAT, UH, RECOMMENDATION THAT WE, UH, CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION AT OUR JULY MEETING.

I THAT WILL BE FINE.

I JUST, BRENDA WAS SAYING THAT THERE'S PLENTY OF PARKING IN THIS AND I DON'T KNOW THE NAMES,

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AND THE BLACK BEAR, WHICH IS YES.

I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT A LIST THAT I HELP PAY.

EVERY PARKING SPOT IN THIS CITY.

I CAN BRING IT TO THE NEXT MEETING.

IF THAT, IF THAT WILL HELP.

THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

THANK YOU.

I SHOULD HAVE PROPERLY, BUT I APOLOGIZE.

DISCUSSION.

YOU'RE GOOD WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION.

AND THE BOARD, IS THAT THE, THE BOARD'S PLAN TO RESUME THIS IN JULY? SURE.

IT TOOK 300 YEARS TO MAKE THIS PROBLEM.

WE'RE NOT SOLVE .

ALRIGHT.

UM, I'M GONNA MOVE ON WITHOUT OBJECTION TO NUMBER THREE.

I DON'T HAVE ANY UPDATE TONIGHT.

ITEM NUMBER

[4. Board member comments]

FOUR BOARD.

UM, I MADE ENOUGH COMMENTS.

OK, I WOULD AGREE.

I'VE MADE ENOUGH OF .

THAT'S FAIR.

CAN I ASK A QUESTION? UM, ON THESE, UH, TWO, NUMBER THREE, NUMBER FOUR, THE, UM, REASONING BEHIND ADDING THOSE TO OUR AGENDA ARE I, UM, I'M IN THE HABIT AT BOARD MEETINGS OF GIVING UPDATES WHEN I HAVE THEM.

I WANTED AN APPROPRIATE SPOT TO DO THAT.

SO I ASKED SETH TO ADD THAT TO THE AGENDA.

UM, AND IT IS STANDARD PRACTICE ON ADVISORY BOARDS TO ALLOW BOARD MEMBERS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE COMMENTS AT THE END.

I WASN'T SEEING THAT ON AGENDA, SO, BUT IF, IF IT IS NOT YOUR WILL TO HAVE IT, WE CAN TAKE IT OFF.

NO, I, I FACT WE SUGGESTED THAT A WHILE BACK.

I, YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY I LIKE IT.

I JUST WANNA HEAR YOUR READING.

THAT'S WHY I ASKED SETH PUT IT ON THERE SO IT IT WAS ADDED A WHILE BACK, A WHILE WASN'T ON AGENDA.

ALRIGHT.

AND WE ALL LIKE IT THIS WAY? OH YEAH.