Jul 11, 2023 Board of Aldermen

HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

ANY OPPOSED? AGENDAS APPROVED.

UH, NEXT IS

[4. Request and Petition of Citizens]

REQUEST AND PETITION OF CITIZENS.

WE HAVE KRISTEN WILLIS OF 100 CROMWELL DRIVE IN GREENVILLE, NORTH CAROLINA.

SINCE MAY, RED CROSS BLOOD DONOR TURNOUT HAS BEEN LOWER THAN EXPECTED.

AS A RESULT, WE ARE NOW IN CRITICAL NEED FOR DONORS IN JULY.

THAT IS WHY I'M HERE TONIGHT.

WE ARE PARTNERING WITH THE CITY OF NEW BERN FOR OUR ANNUAL BATTLE OF THE BADGES BLOOD DRIVE ON THURSDAY, JULY 20TH, AT THE NIGHTS OF COLUMBUS FROM SEVEN 30 TO FIVE 30.

OUR MISSION IS TO COLLECT 250 PINTS, AND THAT CAN SAVE UP TO 750 LIVES.

BUT WE NEED YOUR HELP TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

EACH DONATION, WHICH IS ONE PINT, CAN SAVE UP TO THREE LIVES.

CURRENTLY, WE HAVE 105 DONORS SCHEDULED.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SCHEDULE A DONATION APPOINTMENT, PLEASE DO SO ON OUR SIGNUP SHEET, WHICH IS LOCATED AT THE TABLE BY THE DOOR.

DON'T FORGET, YOUR LIFESAVING DONATION ALLOWS YOU TO VOTE FOR YOUR FAVORITE HERO, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

ALL DONORS WILL RECEIVE A SPECIAL BATTLE OF THE BADGES T-SHIRT WITH THE LOGOS ON THE BACK OF IT, ALONG WITH WONDERFUL TREATS FROM OUR LOCAL RESTAURANTS HERE OF NEW BERN.

NOW I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER.

I DON'T THINK I'VE BEEN CALLED A FIREFIGHTER BEFORE IN A VERY LONG TIME.

THAT'S A GOOD, AND I ACKNOWLEDGE EVERYBODY LOVES A FIREFIGHTER.

I LOVE FIREFIGHTERS.

EXCEPT ON THIS DATE, ON THIS DATE, WE ARE TRYING TO RAISE AS MANY PINTS OF BLOOD, AND WE WOULD LIKE EVERYONE TO SHOW UP AND VOTE FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SO THAT WE CAN HAVE BRAGGING RIGHTS AGAINST OUR, UH, BROTHERS IN THE FIRE SERVICE.

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UH, WE ALL LOVE OUR POLICE OFFICERS TOO.

SO, BUT WE GOT A BIG IMPORTANT REASON WE WANT TO TAKE THIS HOME THIS YEAR, OUR BOSS CHIEF, UH, BOYD ROBERT BOYD'S GETTING READY TO RETIRE.

SO WE WANT TO SEND HIM OFF WITH A GOOD FAREWELL, AND WE'RE GONNA BRING IT HOME THIS YEAR WITH A WIN.

SO, UM, I'M PLEADING AND ASKING MORE PEOPLE TO SIGN UP, AND WHEN YOU SIGN UP, PLEASE LOOK, VOTE FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

BUT IT'S A GREAT COMPETITION BETWEEN BOTH OF US.

AND WHAT I REALLY LIKE ABOUT THIS COMPETITION IS WE'RE SAVING LIVES WITHOUT PUTTING OUR LIFE IN JEOPARDY BY GIVING A LITTLE BIT OF BLOOD.

SO THIS IS THE ULTIMATE GOAL IN OUR PROFESSION, IS HELP OUR COMMUNITY AND SAVE LIVES.

AND THIS IS THE BEST WAY TO DO IT WITHOUT EVEN PUTTING OURSELVES IN ANY KIND OF JEOPARDY.

BUT ONCE AGAIN, VOTE FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

HOW ABOUT, UM, GOOD LUCK, SIR.

YOU WON'T, YOU WON'T YOU MOVE THE MICROPHONE AWAY.

YOU TWO GUYS ARM WRESTLE AND KICK THIS WHOLE COMPETITION OFF.

THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENTS.

ALL RIGHT, NEXT UP

[Consent Agenda]

IS THE CONSENT AGENDA.

IT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD WITH A REMINDER THAT NUMBER SEVEN IS GONNA BE PULLED.

MAY I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THE CONSENT AGENDA LEFT ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.

10, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ADOPTING AN ORDINANCE TO REZONE PROPERTIES ON WASHINGTON POST ROAD IDENTIFIED AS TAX PARCELS ID 82 2 3 0 0 3 AND 82 2 3 0 0 4.

I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL STARTING WITH ALDERMAN PRILL.

[10. Conduct a Public Hearing and Consider Adopting an Ordinance to Rezone Properties on Washington Post Road Identified as Tax Parcel IDs 8-223-003 and 8-223-004. .]

AND MS. JESSICA RU IS GOING TO MAKE THIS PRESENTATION.

UM, IN THE TWO PARCELS UPFRONT THERE ARE ON 40 HIGHWAY 43.

YES, WE HAVE PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR THREE SEPARATE REZONINGS THIS EVENING.

THANK YOU FOR THAT INTRODUCTION.

OUR FIRST ONE WILL BE A REZONING REQUEST TO GO FROM R 10, A RESIDENTIAL TO R EIGHT RESIDENTIAL.

THIS APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED BY ERIC REMINGTON OF WARREN SMITH ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO ARE STARS AND STRIPES FOUR F L L C.

THIS IS FOR TWO PARCELS.

THEY TOTAL APPROXIMATELY 20.44 ACRES AND THEY'RE LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF WASHINGTON POST ROAD AND THE INTERSECTION WITH OLIVIA ROAD.

CURRENTLY THE PROPERTY IS UNDEVELOPED, ALTHOUGH IT IS PART OF A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, AND I'LL SPEAK TO THAT LATER IN THE PRESENTATION.

IT HAS UTILITY SERVICES ALL PROVIDED BY THE CITY OF NEW BERN AND FIRE SERVICE AVAILABLE FROM OUR ELIZABETH AVENUE STATION.

AND I'M GONNA CALL OUT SOME NOTABLE FEATURES ON THE PROPERTY.

FIRST, THERE'S NO BLUE LINE STREAMS ON ANY OF THE 20.44 ACRES, AND THERE'S NO REGULATED FLOOD ZONES ON THE PROPERTY.

SO THAT DOES PRIME IT FOR HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT.

ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS, UM, SUCH AS THE PRESENCE OF WETLANDS, I'M CALLING OUT AS A REMINDER, ARE EVALUATED THROUGH OUR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS.

THEY ARE NOT SOMETHING THAT WE LOOK AT WHEN WE CONSIDER MAKING A ZONING CHANGE.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE THOSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDIES DONE, THEY EXPIRE.

THEY DON'T LAST FOR A LONG TIME.

SO THEY'RE DONE WHEN YOU'RE CLOSER TO MAKING THE CONCRETE DEVELOPMENT PLANS.

AND AS MENTIONED EARLIER, THESE PARCELS ARE INCLUDED IN A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.

THIS WAS REVIEWED IN 2007.

THAT IS WHEN THE CURRENT ZONING WAS APPLIED TO THIS PROPERTY OF OUR 10 A.

AND THEN IN 2008, WHEN THIS WHOLE, UM, AREA WAS LAKE TYLER WAS DEVELOPED, THESE TWO PARCELS ARE IDENTIFIED FOR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT IN ONE OF THE PARCELS AND FOR COMMERCIAL AND OTHER RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

AND THAT WAS IN A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT APPROVED BY OUR PLANNING BOARD IN 2008.

SO THAT RIGHT NOW, DOES THAT APPROVAL WOULD STILL APPLY TO THIS PROPERTY? SHOULD THE DEVELOPERS WANT TO PURSUE THAT ROUTE.

IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THOSE PLANS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW THE PROCESS OF GOING BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND ASKING FOR THAT PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT TO BE AMENDED.

UM, THIS IS OUR CURRENT ZONING.

YOU CAN SEE IT IS ALL R 10 A.

AGAIN, THAT ZONING DISTRICT WAS APPLIED THERE IN 2007.

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SO, UM, ANY DEVELOPMENT REVIEW THAT MIGHT BE DONE FOR DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA DOWN THE ROAD, UM, WHETHER THE ZONING CHANGES OR NOT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO D O T COMMENT AND REQUIREMENTS.

I'M GONNA REALLY, UH, DIVERGE A LITTLE FROM WHAT I NORMALLY DO AND LOOK AT THIS ACTUAL PROPERTY A LITTLE MORE WHEN COMPARING THE TWO ZONING DISTRICTS.

RIGHT NOW TODAY, THIS IS ZONED R 10 A.

THAT IS A DISTRICT THAT REQUIRE, UM, ALLOWS ONE FAMILY HOMES, TWO FAMILY HOMES AND MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT I E APARTMENTS.

SO THE ZONING AS IT STANDS TODAY, DOES ALLOW APARTMENTS OUT THERE BEING THAT YOU HAVE TO MEET A 10,000 SQUARE FEET REQUIREMENT FOR THE FIRST UNIT.

AND THEN EACH ADDITIONAL UNIT YOU MAY ADD ADDS FIVE, REQUIRES 5,000 MORE SQUARE FEET.

THE REQUESTED CHANGE IS VERY, VERY, VERY SIMILAR TO THE ZONING THAT IS CURRENTLY THERE.

UM, IN FACT, ALL THE USES ARE THE SAME.

WHAT CHANGES IS AT MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, YOU'RE REQUIRED 8,000 SQUARE FEET TO START AND THEN 4,000 SQUARE FEET FOR EACH ADDITIONAL UNIT.

AND THAT'S HOW OUR ORDINANCE IS LAID OUT.

SO THAT MAKES A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENCE.

ADDING SOME DENSITY AT 10.6 UNITS PER ACRE, WHERE BACK HERE WE WERE AT 8.5 UNITS PER ACRE.

THIS COMES STRAIGHT OUT OF THE LAND.

THE ZONING SECTION OF OUR LAND USE ORDINANCE R 10 A VERSUS R EIGHT.

THOSE ARE THE REQUIREMENTS THAT I JUST EXPLAINED AND, AND TO TAKE A VERY LITTLE APPROACH CUZ I DIDN'T WANT ANYONE TO ASK ME TO DO MATH ON THE FLY.

WE PUT AN EXAMPLE UP HERE.

SO IF WE WERE TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM WHERE IT IS TODAY AT R 10 A TO R EIGHT, THIS IS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN.

THIS IS A VERY, VERY LITERAL MATH CALCULATION UP HERE.

IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THAT YOU NEED TO ACCOMMODATE PARKING SPACES OR ROADS OR DRIVEWAYS OR BUFFERS OR ANY AMENITIES THAT TYPICALLY COME WITH MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT.

SO THAT TAKES OUT A LOT OF THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE.

BUT IF YOU WERE TO RUN THE MAP, THIS IS THE DIFFERENCE, A RESULT OF APPROXIMATELY 45 MORE UNITS BEING ABLE TO GO IN THERE.

SO ANYTIME WE LOOK AT ZONING CHANGES, WE LOOK AT THE CONSISTENCY WITH OUR LAND USE PLANS.

THIS AREA IS COVERED BY TWO OF OUR LAND USE PLANS, OUR 2022 LAND USE PLAN UPDATE, WHICH HAS IT IN A, THE 43 FOCUS AREA, WHICH REALLY FACILITATES, UM, DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH.

AND ALSO IN OUR 2010 LAND USE PLAN, WHICH HAS THIS DESCRIBED AS AN URBAN TRANSITION, UM, WHICH DESCRIBES UP HERE, THE CLASSIFICATION DESCRIBES AREAS ON THE PERIPHERY OF DEVELOPED ZONES THAT ARE POISED FOR FUTURE GROWTH.

OUR PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD DID FIND THAT THOSE LAND USE CLASSIFICATIONS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE REQUESTED CHANGE.

THE REASON FOR THAT BEING AT THE LIMITED 20.44 ACRES, IT CAN BE VIEWED AS AN EXPANSION OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WITH A GROWING AREA.

THIS AREA WOULD BE A CLASSIC CRESCENDO OF DENSITY, WHICH IS VERY CLASSIC PLANNING PRACTICE WHERE YOU PUT THE HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT CLOSER TO THE ROAD AND YOU DECREASE THE DENSITY AS YOU MOVE BACK FROM THAT MAIN ROAD.

THEY DISCUSSED THAT THE PROPOSED REZONING, AGAIN, IS CONSISTENT WITH THE NORTH CAROLINA 43 FOCUS AREA IN THE 22 20 22 LAND USE PLAN AND IS CONSISTENT WITH THE URBAN TRANSITION IN THE 2010 LAND USE PLAN.

GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA BASED ON ADJACENT LAND USES.

TO CLARIFY WHAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEANT BY THAT, THERE'S A VARIETY OF ZONING DISTRICTS IN THIS AREA ALREADY.

THERE'S THE R 10 A, WHICH MOST OF IS DEVELOPED UNDER A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT FROM 2008.

BUT THERE'S ALSO, UM, SOME DENSER DEVELOPMENT.

THERE'S, UH, MOBILE HOME PARK IN THE VICINITY AND THERE'S INDUSTRIAL IN THE VICINITY AS WELL AS NON-PARTICIPATING AREA OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS.

AND SO THE PLANNING BOARD ALSO DISCUSSED THAT THIS CHANGE MAY BE CONSISTENT WITH THE, UM, COMMUNITY'S DESIRE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE HOUSING AT A MORE VARIETY OF PRICE POINTS.

UM, AND FOR THAT REASON ON JUNE 6TH, THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD DID UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU ADOPT THIS REZONING REQUEST.

THAT CONCLUDES MY STAFF REPORT.

DOES BOARD HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING? HAS THE DEVELOPER IDENTIFIED EXACTLY WHAT WOULD BE DEVELOPED ON THAT PROPERTY?

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UH, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND I THINK WHEN THEY MAKE A STATEMENT THAT, UH, LET'S GIVE THEM A STAB, I I HAVE NOT BEEN PRESENTED PLANS WITH EXACTLY WITH WHAT WOULD GO ON THAT PROPERTY IF IT WAS ZOD.

NO, THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

NO MORE QUESTIONS.

JESSICA, COULD YOU JUST REVIEW MORE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE, UM, THAT I THINK WOULD BE INTERESTED IN, IN UNDERSTANDING THE PROCESS.

CAN YOU JUST BRIEFLY REVIEW THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS THAT ONCE THE OWNER SUBMITS A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHAT HAPPENS? SURE.

SO ANYTIME YOU'RE DOING MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT OR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, UM, REGARDLESS OF THE ZONING DISTRICT, WE'RE GONNA BRING YOU IN AND YOU ARE SUBJECT TO OUR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE, WHICH IS THE COLLECTION OF ALMOST ALL OF OUR UTILITY AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT HEADS WITHIN THE CITY OF NEW BERN.

ALSO, UH, COMMENT IS PROVIDED BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND ALSO OUR PARTNER AGENCIES LIKE NC D O T, AND THEY ARE ALL, UM, GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON THE PLAN AND COME IN AND REVIEW THE PLAN.

ONCE THOSE COMMENTS ARE MADE AND COLLECTED, UM, SOMETIMES ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS GO ON THERE.

SOMETIMES NNC D O T WILL ASK FOR A TRAFFIC STUDY OR SOMETIMES, UM, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL ASK FOR A WIDER ROAD OR A LARGER CUL-DE-SAC OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.

THOSE THINGS ARE TYPICALLY, UM, ALL SUMMARIZED AND THEN SENT BACK.

AND WE, WE TAKE, WE GIVE THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVISE THOSE PLANS.

AND THEN ONCE THEY COME BACK AND ARE MEETING THOSE REQUIREMENTS, AND SOMETIMES THIS TAKES A WHILE, UM, AND, AND THEY HAVE THAT ASSURANCE THAT IT'S MEETING THOSE THINGS THAT TYPICALLY KICKS IN ENVIRONMENTAL PERMITTING.

ANYTHING THAT IS OVER AN ACRE IN THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA HAS TO GO TO THE STATE FOR ENVIRONMENTAL PERMITTING AND FOR STORM WATER REVIEWS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO WHEN THOSE PLANS ARE DRAWN UP, THEY ARE SENT THERE.

THAT TYPICALLY KICKS IN THAT PROCESS OF THEIR REVIEW, WHICH CAN TAKE QUITE SOME TIME DEPENDING ON THE AGENCY, AND IT SEEMS TO BE TAKING LONGER AND LONGER LATELY.

AND THEY, THEN YOU GO ON TO THE NEXT BODY THAT GIVES YOU APPROVAL.

IN THE CASE OF A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, THAT WOULD BE THE PLANNING BOARD.

THE, ONCE ALL THOSE REVISIONS WERE MADE AND PERMITS WERE, WERE TRACKING FROM THE STATE AGENCIES, IT WOULD GO TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR REVIEW.

ALSO, IF YOU PREVIOUSLY GOT AN APPROVAL AND WANTED TO CHANGE SOMETHING ON IT, YOU WOULD GO BACK TO THAT AGENCY THAT ISSUED THAT, UH, INITIAL APPROVAL IF YOU WERE NEEDING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

WHICH, UM, JUST FOR EVERYONE'S KNOWLEDGE HERE, ALL APARTMENTS IN THE CITY OF NEW BERN AND EVERY ZONING DISTRICT EXCEPT IN C3, ARE REQUIRED TO GET A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UM, FROM OUR BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.

AND THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT HAS SOME POWERS THAT WE DO NOT HAVE HERE AT THIS LEVEL TO PUT ON ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS ON A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, WHICH MAY BE THINGS LIKE ADDITIONAL BUFFERS OR SOUND MITIGATION OR THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT MAY NOT BE CALLED OUT SPECIFICALLY ON OUR ORDINANCE IF THEY FIND THEM TO BE, UM, FAIR AND WILL MAKE A BETTER PROJECT.

SO, UM, THOSE ARE PRETTY MUCH THE, THE TWO WAYS THINGS COULD TRACK HERE.

IN THE CITY OF NEW BERN, WE DO NOT HAVE CONDITIONAL ZONING.

AND SOME PLACES THAT'S AN OPTION.

THAT'S A SITUATION WHERE THE PROJECT AND THE REZONING WOULD COME TO YOU TO REVIEW TOGETHER.

HOWEVER, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS CURRENTLY ALLOWED UNDER OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE, BUT WE MAY LOOK AT, UH, POSSIBLY ADDING IN AS WE START OUR, OUR ORDINANCE UPDATE.

AND I HOPE THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.

UH, YES.

UH, JUST A COUPLE MORE, UH, FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS.

UM, WHEN STAFF OR THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE GETS TOGETHER, IS THE PUBLIC UH, ABLE TO ATTEND THAT MEETING OF THOSE MEETINGS? WE HAVE RECENTLY STARTED SENDING OUT OUR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AGENDAS TO OUR SUNSHINE LISTS.

SO YES, I, THEY, IT IS NOT TYPICAL WHEN YOU HAVE THOSE TYPES OF MEETINGS THAT THE PUBLIC ATTENDS, BUT WE WOULD WELCOME THEM TO COME IN BECAUSE WE ARE PROVIDING THOSE NOTIFICATIONS.

AND IF WELL, A, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT GOES TO THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT? THAT IS CORRECT.

THE CORRECT IS CORRECT, YES.

HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO VOICE CONCERNS AT THAT MEETING? CORRECT.

UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT WILL ALWAYS REQUIRE A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING.

IT'S A SLIGHTLY MORE FORMAL PROCESS THAN A PLANNING BOARD APPROVAL.

SO FOUR OUT OF THE FIVE VOTING MEMBERS OR UM, OR THREE OUT OF THE FIVE VOTING MEMBERS, DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU'RE VOTING ON, WOULD NEED TO AFFIRMATIVELY AGREE ON ALL THOSE CONDITIONS AND THE APPROVAL OF THAT PROJECT.

AND WHEN THE PLAN MAKES ITS WAY TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, PLANNING BOARD, UH, PUBLIC HEARING WOULD BE HELD.

SO THE PUBLIC WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AT THAT POINT TO HAVE INPUT.

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THAT'S RIGHT.

AND ALL, ALL OF OUR PLANNING, BOARD PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEETINGS HERE ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND WE WILL TAKE COMMENT AT THEM.

AND IF A RESIDENT WANTED TO GET ON A MAILING LIST TO BE NOTIFIED OF WHEN EACH OF THESE STEPS ARE TAKEN, UM, DOES THE CITY MAINTAIN SUCH A LIST? ABSOLUTELY.

ALL OF OUR AGENDAS THAT ARE GENERATED OUT OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ARE SENT OUT TO OUR SUNSHINE LIST.

SO THEY PROBABLY GET MORE AGENDAS THAN THEY, THEY CARE TO SEE.

BUT WE DO DO OUR BEST TO, UM, SOLICIT THAT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND FEEDBACK.

SO PEOPLE THAT WANT TO GET ON THAT LIST NEED TO BE PROACTIVE AND PROVIDE YOU WITH A CONTACT EMAIL SO THAT THEY WILL BE NOTIFIED.

ABSOLUTELY.

AND THEY CAN DO THAT THROUGH THE CITY CLERK OR THEY CAN DO THAT BY CALLING DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

BOARD.

ANY MORE QUESTIONS? OKAY.

AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM NUMBER 10.

ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROJECT, PLEASE COME FORWARD TO THE PODIUM.

IT'LL BE HELPFUL IF YOU PROVIDE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

AND STATE YOUR REASON I'M WAYNE BAT.

COME ON, COME ON UP TO THE MICROPHONE, SIR.

CAUSE IF YOU DON'T SPEAK RIGHT IN THIS, PUT FOLKS ON TV WON'T HEAR.

UM, I'M AGAINST THIS PROPOSAL.

UM, SHE BROUGHT UP A REALLY GOOD POINT.

SHE SAYS WE'RE GONNA BRING IN 200 SOMETHING FAMILIES INTO THAT SECTION THAT'S ALREADY DEVELOPED BY COURT FOR ALL THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT I WOULD ASK HER A QUESTION LIKE HOW MANY OF THOSE WOULD BE PAYING TAXES FOR HOME, LIKE HOME TAX, LIKE WE HAVE, WE, WE INVESTED IN THIS TOWN.

THE PEOPLE SHE'S BRINGING IN WILL NEED MORE SERVICES, MORE WATER, MORE POWER, MORE POLICE SERVICE AT ALL SERVICES, AND THEY'RE NOT PAYING TAXES FOR IT.

THEY WILL NOT PAY TAXES.

THEY'LL BE, THEY'LL BE JETS.

UM, SO I, I, THAT'S WHY I'M, I'M AGAINST THIS PROPOSAL AND WHAT I'M GONNA DO TO OUR, OUR COMMUNITY.

MY NAME IS WILLIAM FAITH, IT'S 400 GINGER DRIVE.

THANK YOU, SIR.

MY NAME IS HAROLD SIMMONS.

MY WIFE OF 53 YEARS IS RIGHT HERE BESIDE ME AS USUAL.

UH, IN JULY OF 2022, WE PURCHASED THE HOME AT 5 25 DAKOTA AVENUE OUT THERE AT LAKE TYLER.

IN THE SUBDIVISION, WE'VE HEARD THAT THERE IS A MAJOR CONSTRUCTION PROJECT BEING CONSIDERED ON THE PROPERTY, ADJOINING OUR SUBDIVISION.

VICKY.

AND I WOULD LIKE FOR SOMEONE TO EXPLAIN TO US IN AN HONEST AND SIMPLE TERMS WHAT THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS TO BE AND HOW IT WILL AFFECT OUR PROPERTY VALUES AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE WE ENJOY IN THE LAKE TYLER SUBDIVISION.

I HAD A WOMAN GOT HIT BY A CAR THAT 900 FEET TO A TRAFFIC LIGHT WITH NO TRAFFIC LIGHT.

GOOD EVENING BOARD.

MY NAME IS BRIAN MONSOUR.

I LIVE VERY CLOSE TO THIS PROPOSED, UH, SUBDIVISION, UH, ADDITION.

MY CONCERN IS THE TRAFFIC.

ANY OF YOU KNOW THAT HAVE BEEN ON WASHINGTON POST ROAD, I'VE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME.

SAW THIS DEVELOPMENT BEING BUILT BY MR. DUNN.

BACK IN THE DAY, DURING THAT TIME OF THE MEETING, THEY SAID THEY WERE GONNA DO A STUDY, AND ONCE THE SUBDIVISION REACHED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DENSITY, THERE WAS GONNA BE A TRAFFIC LIGHT PUT IN.

EITHER IT BE AT LAKE TYLER OR GRACIE FARMS. WE HAVE WITNESSED HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF ACCIDENTS OUT THERE.

WE CAN'T HARDLY GET OUT OF OUR DRIVEWAY.

UM, PEOPLE COME OUT OF THAT SUBDIVISION JUST ROLLING.

THEY DON'T EVEN HIT THE, THEY DON'T EVEN HIT THE BRAKES.

I'VE SEEN 'EM PULL OUT IN FRONT OF LOG TRUCKS.

I I HAVE NO, UH, PROBLEM WITH THE, THE DENSITY NUMBER THAT SHE GAVE, BUT I DO KNOW THAT IT'S GONNA BE MORE PEOPLE FEEL FREE IF YOU WANT TO RIDE BACK THERE THROUGH LAKE TYLER.

THE STREETS ARE VERY NARROW.

MOST PEOPLE HAVE AN EXTRA CAR PARKED ON THE STREET.

YOU CAN'T EVEN DRIVE DOWN THE STREET THROUGH THERE NOW.

SO I THINK SOMETHING SHOULD BE STUDIED AS FAR AS A, A TRAFFIC LIGHT OR SOMETHING TO KEEP EVERYONE SAFE WHEN THEY COME IN AND OUT OF THAT SUBDIVISION.

ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE ADDING MORE PEOPLE IN AN APARTMENT THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S GONNA HAVE A CAR.

YOU PRETTY MUCH FIGURE EVERY PERSON HAS A CAR.

AND THAT'S MY MAJOR CONCERN WITH IT.

SO I'M, I'M AGAINST IT.

WHAT? MY NAME IS ED JP.

I'VE LIVED ON, ON GRACIE FARM OVER TWO YEARS.

I'VE SEEN A LOT DEVASTATING.

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900 FEET.

SEE, A CAR GOT CRUSHED.

THEY SURVIVED.

A MONTH LATER, SAME INCIDENT.

BIT OF FATALITY.

A MONTH AFTER THAT, MY TRUCK GOT TOTALED.

TOTALED, OKAY.

BARRICADED THE PLACE OFF AND GARBAGE CANS CALLED THE COPS.

MY HOUSE IS, MY HOUSE IS HERE.

NEWBORN POLICE CAME AND CRAVEN COUNTY POLICE CAME.

THAT'S ABSURD TO ME.

IT'S ABSURD.

I MEAN, CAVEN COUNTY IS THIS WAY.

NEW BRUS THIS WAY.

SO ANYWAYS, MAKING A LONG STORY SHORT, THE GENTLEMAN IS, WELL, HE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A HIGHWAY.

I MEAN, FROM MY HOUSE TO THAT STOP SIGN IS 900 FEET.

THEY GO 900 MILES AN HOUR AND SOMETHING'S GOTTA BE DONE.

I, I'VE, I'VE CALLED CRAVEN COUNTY POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THEY SAID, WE HAVE A VERY LARGE AREA WE HAVE TO CONTROL.

I, WELL, THAT BEING SAID, IF THEY STOOD THERE ONE NIGHT, THEY WOULD GET THEIR PROTOCOL FOR TICKETS.

HELLO, MY NAME IS SUSAN FAITH.

I ALSO LIVE AT 400 GINGER DRIVE.

UM, THE TRAFFIC IS UNBELIEVABLE.

UM, I'M SURPRISED THERE HAVEN'T BEEN MORE DEATHS.

IT'S VERY HARD TO GET OUT.

EVEN IF YOU TURN INTO THE TURNING LANE TO GET OUT, UM, PEOPLE HONK AT YOU, COME VERY CLOSE TO YOU.

UM, 277, THAT'S 277 MORE CARS AT LEAST.

ALSO OUR SCHOOL DISTRICTS, FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD, ARE OVERCROWDED.

YOU'RE GONNA BE PUTTING MORE CHILDREN INTO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.

MORE TRAFFIC.

UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT REMAIN RESIDENTIAL.

THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME.

NAME IS WES WATSON.

I AS WELL LIVE IN THE LAKE TYLER DEVELOPMENT.

I JUST WANNA REITERATE WHAT WAS SAID BY THIS GENTLEMAN BACK HERE AND THAT OUR TRAFFIC ISSUE OVER THERE IS RIGHT NOW IS TREACHEROUS, IS SOMETIMES IT CAN TAKE US 10 TO 15 MINUTES, MAKING A LEFT HAND TURN OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT TO GET ONTO 43.

AND CURRENTLY WE'RE LOOKING AT A DRAG STRIP IN FRONT OF SPEEDWAY WHERE IT GOES FROM TWO LANES TO ONE COMING ACROSS, UH, WHAT IS THAT NEWS BOULEVARD OR WHERE THAT IS, WE MAY THE RIGHT OVER THERE AND IT'S, THERE'S NOT A GOOD WAY OF PUTTING IT AS TO HOW, WHAT THE IMPACT'S GOING TO BE WHEN WE PUT THAT DEVELOPMENT.

UM, I UNDERSTAND PROGRESS TIME MARCHES FORWARD, HOUSES ARE GONNA BE BUILT, APARTMENTS ARE GONNA BE BUILT.

BUT I THINK MAINTAINING THE CURRENT ZONING WITH A LOWER DENSITY GIVES US A QUALITY OF LIFE THAT WE CAN AT LEAST ADJUST TO WITHOUT PUTTING MORE LIVES AT RISK OUT THERE WITH THAT TRAFFIC.

SO THANK YOU.

HI, THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME.

MY NAME'S DEBORAH GRANT.

I LIVE AT 2 0 6 FRIEDER ROAD, RIGHT ON THE FRONT LINES OF, OF ALL OF THIS.

MY QUESTION IS, IS THE GREEN WHERE THE ROADS WOULD GO? I HAVE SEEN A SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS THAT A ROTARY WILL BE THERE.

AND FROM A PERSONAL POINT OF VIEW, I DON'T WANT THE 400 HOUSES BEHIND ME COMING, MAKING A THROUGHWAY THERE BE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE NEED IS FOR THE TWO COMMUNITIES TO BE CONNECTED.

LAKE TYLER IS A CERTAIN COMMUNITY.

THIS PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL AREA IS NOT CONNECTED TO LAKE TYLER AT ALL.

WE HAVE CHILDREN WHO PLAY ON THOSE STREETS.

THE STREETS, IF PEOPLE PARK THEIR CARS OR BARELY WIDE ENOUGH FOR THE FIRE ENGINES TO GET BY, GOD FORBID THERE BE AN EMERGENCY AND YOU'RE GONNA ADD ALL 400 HOUSES THAT FINISH THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT TO NOW USE THAT EXCESS.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE REASONING TO THAT, AND I WOULD LIKE VERY MUCH FOR SOMEONE TO EXPLAIN THAT TO ME.

UM, IN TERMS OF WHY THE, WHY ARE THE ROADS GOING THROUGH, WHY, WHY THE NEED FOR THE CONNECTION TO GRACIE FARM ROAD, FROM OLIVIA ROAD, UM, FROM, FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE.

CAN YOU CLARIFY? I BELIEVE THE GREEN LINE IS THE PROPERTY LINE.

CAN SOMEONE VERIFY THAT? THAT'S CORRECT.

THEN AROUND ABOUT, ABOUT A HUNDRED FEET FROM MY HOME.

IT'S JUST THAT GREEN LINE, JUST PROPERTY.

BUT THE SECOND PLAN I HAVE SEEN IS SHOWN ROADS AND A ROAD GOING RIGHT, EXACTLY BETWEEN THE SAILS AND THE POOL.

THAT'S GONNA CONNECT OVER AND

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SO I'D LIKE, I'D LIKE MORE INFORMATION AND PERHAPS A BETTER IDEA OF WHERE THE THIS IS GONNA TAKE PLACE.

WHAT ARE THE ROADS GONNA LOOK LIKE? WILL THE FENCE BE, UM, ERECTED TO DIVIDE THE PROPERTIES? WILL ALL OF THE BEAUTIFUL TREES, WHICH THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF HABITATS THAT LIVED THERE.

DEER.

I'VE PERSONALLY SEEN DEER, RABBITS AND WE THINK WE SAW A BOBCAT PAUL ONCE, UH, OWLS, FOR INSTANCE, WE'VE HEARD FROM THERE.

I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IF THE, UM, EPA IS GONNA BE INVOLVED IN CHECKING THESE WETLANDS.

I, I HAVE CONCERNS FOR FLOODING IF ALL THOSE TREES ARE TAKEN DOWN COMING INTO MY PROPERTY.

I THINK THERE'S A LOT MORE THAT NEEDS TO BE STUDIED.

AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

UH, THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO EVEN HEAR US OUT.

WE DO APPRECIATE THAT.

MY NAME IS JOHN ADAMS. UH, I LIVE AT FOUR 16 FRIDA ROAD.

UM, UH, SOMETHING THAT KIND OF DISTURBED ME WAS THAT A LOT OF THE ZONING TALKS PRIOR TO THIS, WHICH IS CUSTOMARY IN THE PROCESS OF, OF HOW THE, UH, ZONING DEVELOPER OR THE DEVELOPER IS TRYING TO GO ABOUT THEIR PROCESS AND MOVING FORWARD.

UM, THEY ASKED FOR A CONTINUATION AT ONE OF THE MEETINGS, UH, AND UNDERSTANDING THAT WOULD BE ADOPTED INTO THE UNDERSTANDING OF, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE 22 OR THE 2010, EXCUSE ME, 2007, UH, ZONING PLANNING OF WHAT THEIR GOAL WAS, WHAT THEY ATTAIN, WHAT THEIR VISION WAS FOR THIS AREA THAT HAS BEEN SET FORTH EITHER BY YOUR PANEL OR BY THE ZONING COMMITTEE ITSELF.

AND WHEN THEY ASKED FOR THAT CONTINUATION, THEY DID SO WITHOUT THE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE LOCALS OR WHAT THE BOARD HAD EVEN TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION OR THAT THOUGHT PROCESS OF WHAT THEY HAD PLANNED.

THE REASON FOR THAT AND THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND IT, LEGAL CONSIDERATION, UH, WAS THAT THEY COULD THEN MOVE WITH MORE, UH, SPEED THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS BY HAVING THAT ZONING COMMITTEE APPROVE THAT THOUGHT PROCESS AND SUPPORT THE MOVEMENT OF, UH, R 10 A TO R EIGHT, UH, WOULD THEN MOVE IT FASTER.

UH, AND BY DOING SO, THAT JUST, UH, MADE THE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT HARDER FOR THE COMMUNITY.

WHEN WE COME UP HERE AND WE PRESENT OUR CASES AND WE STATE ALL OF THESE ISSUES THAT ARE GOING ON WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WITH THE FIRE CONTROL, UM, SOMETHING THAT HASN'T BEEN MENTIONED WAS THE ROLLING BLACKOUTS THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON, WHETHER IT'S ON THE CRAVEN COUNTY WITH DUKE ENERGY OR IT BE IN, UH, ON OUR SIDE, UH, WITH NEW BERN CITY UTILITIES.

UH, THEY'RE SAYING THAT THIS IS GOING TO ADD TO NEW, NEW BERN CITY UTILITIES.

SO WITH THAT CONSIDERATION, ARE WE ABLE TO, TO TAKE ON THAT THRESHOLD? I KNOW THAT A LOT OF THE NEW THINGS THAT PEOPLE ARE ADOPTING THE ELECTRIC CARS, IT'S PUTTING MORE OF A STRAIN ON EVERYONE'S ELECTRIC.

UH, SO WITH THAT BEING THOUGHT PROCESSED, IF WE'RE DOING THIS AND THE THOUGHT PROCESS OF WHAT THIS DEVELOPMENT OR DEVELOPING AREA COULD BE, NOW THE CONSIDERATION IS, WELL, THEY'RE PLANNING, OR THEY'RE IDENTIFYING SPECIFIC NUMBERS LIKE 244 SPECIFIC UNITS.

WHEN AN, IS THAT THE ACTUAL NUMBER THAT THEY'RE GOING TO STOP AT? OR CAN THEY GO HIGHER? AND IF THAT IS THE CASE, WHAT WOULD STOP THEM FROM MAKING THAT DOLLAR? AND THE END, THE THOUGHT PROCESS TO ME WHEN I SEE THESE THINGS IS, UH, HOW CAN I DEVELOP THAT AND MAKE EVEN MORE MONEY AS THE DEVELOPER? WHAT CAN I DO TO GET THAT MONEY ROLLING FOR MYSELF? UNFORTUNATELY, I, I AM THAT THOUGHT PROCESS AND THAT'S THE, THE THOUGHTS THAT ARE GOING.

BUT WITH THE CONSIDERATION FOR THAT MANY MORE INDIVIDUALS, 244 UNITS, TO ME THIS IS CONSIDERED JUST OUTSIDE, JUST NEAR A MILITARY INSTALLATIONS JUST NEAR GREENVILLE, JUST ON THE OUTSIDE, WHERE IT'S VERY ACCESSIBLE FOR FAMILIES TO COMMUTE TO ALL THESE DIFFERENT PLACES.

I DON'T SEE 244 CARS SEE DOUBLE THAT IF NOT TRIPLE BECAUSE THAT'S ALREADY WHAT'S GOING ON INSIDE OF OUR DEVELOPMENT OF LAKE TYLER.

WE HAVE PLENTY OF MILITARY FAMILIES THAT ARE COMING AND, AND GIVING THIS BEAUTIFUL CITY THE, THE CREDIT THAT IT'S DUE.

BUT UNFORTUNATELY, IF WE'RE GONNA ADD THAT MANY MORE PERSONNEL AND THAT MUCH MORE STRAIN ON OUR UTILITIES CAPABILITIES WITHOUT EVEN DEVELOPING THE AREAS THAT ALREADY NEED THE ATTENTION, LIKE WHAT WAS IDENTIFIED BY THEM WAS THE TRAILER PARK THAT IS NEAR US OR SOME OF THE INDUSTRIAL AREAS THAT ARE OVER THERE.

WE HAVE AN ENTIRE WESTERN NEWBORN NEWBORN THAT CAN GET MORE ATTENTION THAN THAT UPFRONT AREA.

BUT IF THAT'S WHAT YOU DEEM WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, THEN AS WE ALL VOTED AS LOCAL LOCALS THAT WE ARE TO

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PUT YOU WHERE YOU ARE, WE HOPE THAT IT REMAINS IN YOUR MIND FOR WHAT WE WOULD LIKE AS THE COMMUNITY THAT HAS TO DEAL WITH THIS ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS.

I TRULY APPRECIATE IT, MAYOR.

JUST VERY QUICKLY, BECAUSE I'M GONNA SPEAK LATER ON THE OAKS ROAD NIGHT, UM, I KNOW FROM MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, ONE LONG STREET WITH A CUL-DE-SAC AND SUN.

WE HAVE COM UH, CARS COMING OFF OAKS ROAD AT 35 MILES AN HOUR.

AND THEN THEY DON'T SLOW DOWN UNTIL THEY GET TO THE CUL-DE-SAC WHERE THEY HAVE TO SLOW DOWN ANYWAY AND GO AROUND THE, UH, THERE'S A LITTLE ROUNDABOUT THERE WHEN THEY GO THROUGH YOU AT MUCH SLOWER SPEED.

SO I DID ASK AT ONE POINT IN TIME THAT WE PUT UP MORE CHILDREN AT PLAY SIGNS AND POSTED AT THE, AT THE ROUNDABOUT THAT THE SPEED LIMIT WAS, UM, 25 MILES AN HOUR.

AND IRONICALLY, I LOOKED UP IN THE MEANTIME, THE BACK END OF THAT STREET TRAPS TRAIL WAS NEVER UPRIGHT, WAS NEVER CHANGED TO 25 MILES AN HOUR.

BELIEVE IT'S STILL, IT'S NOT HONORABLE.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, NOTHING HAPPENED.

AND I WENT OUT AND BOUGHT LAWN SIGNS MYSELF AND PASSING THEM CHILDREN THAT BLAME CAUSE IT BOTHERED ME THAT MUCH AND I DON'T EVEN HAVE KIDS.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING, MAUREEN WALLINGFORD, UH, 4 0 9 FRIDA.

SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT SOMETHING OUT, OUT TO YOU GUYS WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING THE NEW COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL APARTMENTS.

I'D ALSO LIKE YOU GUYS TO KEEP IN MIND THAT OUR DEVELOPMENT LAKE TYLER IS NOT YET COMPLETED.

WE HAVE, I BELIEVE, 335 HOMES IN THERE ALREADY.

THERE ARE STILL 99 LOTS I BELIEVE, THAT ARE NOT DEVELOPED.

THEY CAN'T SELL THE LOTS DUE TO THE COST OF THE LOTS.

THEY'RE STILL LOOKING FOR A NEW HOME BUILDER TO COME IN AND BUILD ON THOSE LOTS AS DR.

HORTON HAS PULLED OUT.

KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WE HAVE 222 CARS DOUBLE THAT, MAYBE EVEN TRIPLE THAT, BUT THERE'D BE ANOTHER 300 CARS.

ONCE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS COMPLETED, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS YET TO BE COMPLETED.

SO BY THE TIME THIS IS ALL SAID AND DONE, THAT AREA IS LOOKING TO HAVE, WHAT, 750, MAYBE A THOUSAND VEHICLES PLUS THE COMMERCIAL IN THAT AREA USING ONE LITTLE ACCESS ROAD.

OLIVIA, MAYBE A LITTLE SECTION BETWEEN OLIVIA AND GRACIE FARM TO ACCESS, UH, WASHINGTON POST ROAD.

THINK ABOUT WHAT IT IS THAT IT'S DOING, WHAT IT'S DOING TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, OUR UTILITIES.

WE DO KNOW THAT TIMES ARE CHANGING, DEVELOPMENT'S GONNA HAPPEN.

BUT AS SOMEBODY THAT JUST MOVED TO THIS AREA, NEW BURNS GREAT.

WHEN WE PURCHASED OUR HOUSE, BOTH REALTORS SAID THERE WAS GONNA BE NO DEVELOPMENT.

NOW WE ALL KNOW REALTORS LIE, IT'S PART OF IT.

BUSINESS PEOPLE LIE.

THEY KIND OF FLIP THE TRUTH A LITTLE BIT AND TELL YOU WHAT, WHAT YOU WANNA HEAR.

BUT PLEASE, PLEASE THINK ABOUT WHAT IT IS THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING BECAUSE NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT A POTENTIAL ALMOST 750 TO A THOUSAND MORE VEHICLES, 500 TO A THOUSAND MORE PEOPLE IN THAT SMALL LITTLE AREA.

SMALL LITTLE AREA OF LAKE TYLER.

THINK ABOUT IT, PLEASE.

NOTHING IMPROVED IN THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS TO BURN.

HELLO, MY NAME IS SHARON MAHAAS.

I DO NOT LIVE ON WASHINGTON POST ROAD.

I AVOID THAT ROAD AT ALL COSTS BECAUSE YOU'RE TAKING YOUR LIFE IN YOUR OWN HANDS AND AT VERY GREAT PERIL IF YOU EVER HAVE TO MAKE A LEFT TURN TO GET BACK ON IT.

THAT SAID, ALL GOES RIGHT INTO THE FACT THAT I'M NOT REAL SAVVY ABOUT BUILDING DEVELOPMENTS, APARTMENT BUILDINGS, DUPLEXES, SINGLE BUILDING HOUSES.

BUT I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I AM WELL VERSED IN.

AFTER 36 YEARS OF LIVING IN NEW BERN, I'M WELL VERSED IN BOARD OF ALDERMANS AND MAYORS AND I'VE SEEN 'EM COME, I'VE SEEN 'EM GONE AND NOW I'M LOOKING AT A BRAND NEW BUNCH.

EVERY TIME A BRAND NEW NEIGHBORHOOD WAS BUILT AND INCORPORATED INTO THE CITY NEW BERN, WE WERE TOLD BY ALDERMANS AND MAYORS THAT OH, THIS WILL BRING IN MORE TAX REVENUE SO WE CAN INVEST INTO OUR OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS AND IMPROVE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.

WELL, GREENBRIER WAS BUILT,

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IT WAS BUILT.

NOTHING WAS IN, NOTHING OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE WAS IMPROVED IN THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS.

CAROLINA COLORS WAS BUILT, NOTHING WAS IMPROVED IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND WE'VE WATCHED MORE AND MORE AND MORE BUILD AND WE STILL HAVE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS WITH TERRA COGA SEWER PIPES THAT ARE FALLING APART, WATERLINES THAT ARE DETERIORATING, THAT DON'T WORK VERY WELL.

SO YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND IMPROVE 250 MORE HOUSING UNITS? WELL THAT'S FINE, BUT HOW IN THE WORLD DO YOU INTEND TO FIX THAT MESS WHEN IT GROWS OLD AND DETERIORATES WHEN YOU CAN'T FIX THE MESS YOU HAVE NOW? SO KEEP THAT IN MIND.

THE BIGGER YOU GET DOESN'T MEAN THE BETTER YOU GET.

YOU ALREADY HAVE YOUR HANDS FULL WITH OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE BEING NEGLECTED AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO GET ANY YOUNGER ONCE IT'S BUILT.

SO THINK CAREFULLY AS YOU DEVELOP.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

AS Y'ALL KNOW, I AM ANTOINETTE BOSKEY AND I RESIDE AT 47 66 KARINA DRIVE.

SO NOT IN LAKE TYLER, BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE IN PLANNERS RIDGE.

AND WHEN I CAME IN, I HEARD SOMEBODY MENTIONING HOW HARD IT IS TO TURN LEFT.

LET ME TELL YOU, IT'S EVEN HARDER TO TURN RIGHT.

IT'S JUST AS HARD AND YOU BETTER PUT YOUR FOOT TO THE GAS CUZ YOU'RE GONNA PRAY THAT SOMEBODY DON'T HIT YOU.

RIGHT? UM, NOT TO MENTION ALL THE 18 WILLERS THAT COME THROUGH.

SO THE TRAFFIC IS ONE THING.

AND WHAT I LEARNED ABOUT UM, UM, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, IT WAS INTERESTING CUZ WE HAD JUST HAD TWO ACCIDENTS RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IN A MATTER OF TWO WEEKS.

UM, SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT, AND, AND PLEASE KNOW, EVERYBODY KNOWS I'M A BIG PROPONENT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

I KNOW WE NEED HOUSING HERE.

I KNOW THAT IT TAKES TWO AND A HALF MINIMUM WAGE JOBS JUST TO PAY FOR THE HOUSES HERE.

SO I I THINK WE DO NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

I JUST DON'T THINK THIS IS THE SPOT.

UM, NOT JUST THINKING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, BUT ALSO THINKING ABOUT THE PARKING.

UM, CAN OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM HANDLE IT? COME ON.

WE ALREADY REDISTRICTED AND SEND OUR KIDS INSTEAD OF GOING JAMES DEBBIE SMITH TO OAKS ROAD, CAN OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM HANDLE IT? CUZ THOSE KIDS GO TO WEST CR MIDDLE AND WEST CR HIGH SCHOOL MOM HERE.

UM, I WANT US TO THINK ABOUT, I GUESS IN MY MIND, I KNOW THAT ALL THESE DIFFERENT ENTITIES DON'T ALWAYS WORK TOGETHER AND TALK THE ROAD IS THE STATE, DA DA DA DA DA.

BUT I FEEL LIKE SOMEHOW IF REALLY WANT THIS TO HAPPEN, THERE DOES NEED TO BE A STUDY OF THAT ROAD.

AND DOES, DOES THAT MEAN THAT THERE WOULD BE A NEED FOR AN EXPANSION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T WORK IN ROAD STUFF, RIGHT? I THINK THAT THERE DOES NEED TO BE A STUDY OF OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM.

CAN IT REALLY HANDLE IT? AND IF IT CAN, AND THIS IS REALLY WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, THEN LET'S DEVELOP A PLAN THAT'S NOT JUST TO PUT THESE HOUSES UP HERE, BUT A PLAN THAT LOOKS AT IT COMPREHENSIVELY.

CUZ FRANKLY, I DO LIKE MY LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD WITHOUT 250 PEOPLE ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME, WHICH IS DEFINITELY, I MEAN, I HEAR TWO 50 AND I KNOW THAT Y'ALL, THAT'S A LOT OF KIDS AND WE TALKING AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND FAMILIES.

THAT'S ALL I WANNA PUT OUT THERE.

SO, UH, DON'T LET A GOOD INTENTION IN THE WORDS OF MIKE MORGAN, AH, UM, MARK MORGAN.

DON'T LET A GOOD INTENTION POSE A NEGATIVE OUTCOME FOR US.

MY NAME'S SCOTT CISCO LIVE AT 3 0 4 FRIDA ROAD.

UH, I COME BEFORE, BEFORE YOU TODAY IN, UH, IN OPPOSITION TO THIS.

I HAVE NO OBJECTIONS TO THE CURRENT OWNER OF THE TWO PARCELS DEVELOPED IN THEM AS THEY CURRENTLY ARE ZONED.

IT WAS UNDERSTOOD WHEN I PURCHASED MY PROPERTY IN LAKE TYLER THAT THESE PROPERTIES COULD BE DEVELOPED.

BUT TO THE SAME POINT, THE CURRENT OWNER WHO BOUGHT THE PROPERTIES IN QUESTION UNDERSTOOD WHAT THOSE AREAS WERE ZONED FOR.

BUT I THINK THE LARGER QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR THIS PROPERTY? HOW MANY UNITS WILL BE BUILT? ARE THREE PLUS STORY APARTMENT BUILDINGS GONNA BE BUILT? WILL THEY BE LOOKING DOWN OUR BACKYARDS, ELIMINATING WHATEVER PRIVACY WE MAY HAVE? WHAT WOULD BE THE IMPACT ON TRAFFIC IN THE AREA? WHY THE NEED FOR THE ZONING CHANGE? UNLESS IT IS TO PUT DENSER HOUSING IN A SUBURBAN AREA CONSISTING ONLY OF ONE AND TWO STORY HOMES.

WE LIVE IN THIS AREA TO NOT BE SURROUNDED BY DENSE HOUSING, AS I'M SURE THIS IS WHY MOST RESIDENTS PLAY TYLER ALSO LIVE THERE.

THERE ARE MANY QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE AS RESIDENT OF THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY AS TO WHAT IMPACT ANY CHANGE IT WILL HAVE ON THE AREA.

AND IT'LL MAKE SENSE THAT VERY SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT PLANS WOULD BE PRESENTED IN ANY CONCERNS WOULD BE ADDRESSED BEFORE CONSIDERING A ZONING CHANGE.

I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU REPRESENT THE INTERESTS OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS WHO LIVE IN AND ENJOY BERN AND NOT THE INTEREST OF ONE DEVELOPER WHO HAS NO LASTING INTEREST IN THE FUTURE OF THE AREA BY REJECTING

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THE ZONING CHANGE.

OR AT LEAST TABLING IT UNTIL MORE DETAILED PLANS FOR THE LAND ARE RECEIVED.

I HAD TO CALL ON THE LADIES BACK THERE.

NEWBURN HIGH SCHOOL LAST YEAR.

BROUGHT IN 200 FRESHMEN, 200 FRESHMEN LAST YEAR.

THAT'S A LOT.

IS ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD, SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST? GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR WARD.

UH, KIND OF A LAST MINUTE THING WITH ALL MY STATISTICS ON MY DESK.

CAUSE I GOT CALLED IN EARLY THIS MORNING AND WORKED OVERTIME .

SO I'M GONNA BE VERY GENERAL ABOUT A FEW THINGS.

UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TRAFFIC, BUT I HAVEN'T, UH, HEARD MENTIONED IS THE PLANS FOR EXPANDING ON 43 AND 55, IF I'M CORRECT? SOMETIME IN MARCH.

APPARENTLY THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS CHANGED.

NOW YOU HAVE CURRENTLY ON 43 HEADING TOWARDS 55, YOU HAVE TWO LEFT TURN LANES, A STRAIGHT AND A RIGHT TURN LANE AT 43.

TRAFFIC AT TIMES ALL THE WAY THROUGH EIGHT 30 IN THE MORNING CAN BE BACKED UP BEYOND LAKE TYLER BECAUSE OF THE FUNNELING EFFECT OF CARS TRYING TO TURN LEFT TOWARDS DOWNTOWN.

THIS PREVENTS VEHICLES FROM BEING ABLE TO GO STRAIGHT OR TURN RIGHT ONTO 55.

THIS IS A RATHER SERIOUS TRAFFIC ISSUE FOR PEOPLE ANY TRYING TO LEAVE LAKE TYLER OR THE TRAILER PARKS OR ANY OTHER ROAD THERE.

IN ADDITION, UH, MY HOUSE, BY THE WAY, UH, I'M SORRY, CLARENCE BROWN.

I LIVE AT 300 WIA MAY WAY.

LOOKING ON THE MAP THERE, MY PROPERTY ABUTS RIGHT UP AGAINST WHERE THEY ARE DRAWING THE LINE FOR THE EXPANSION ZONE.

UM, WE MOVED, RELOCATED FROM CHICAGO, ILLINOIS.

I USED TO WORK AT MOUNT SINAI.

I DECIDED TO LEAVE AFTER THE SECOND RESIDENT GOT MUGGED JUST CROSSING THE STREET.

HAVING MOVED DOWN HERE, UH, REMINDS ME OF WHERE I USED TO LIVE IN VIRGINIA, COZEN RIGHT NEXT TO LANGLEY STREAMS, WILDLIFE EVERYWHERE.

MY WIFE NOW LOVES GETTING UP IN THE MORNING, LOOKING OUT BEYOND OUR FENCE AND SEEING RABBITS, DEER, AND THE OCCASIONAL, UH, OWL IN THE BACKYARD.

UH, THE PROBLEM WE HAVE IS, AND SOMEBODY'S INFORMATION IS IN, IS, IS INCORRECT EITHER FROM STARS AND STRIPES OR DR.

HORTON.

WE WERE TOLD THAT BECAUSE OF THE EASEMENT AND THE QUOTE UNQUOTE WETLANDS NOBODY COULD BUILD BEHIND US.

THIS WAS A SELLING POINT FOR OUR LAND.

WE WERE THE FIFTH HOUSE IN THAT COMMUNITY.

EIGHTH OVERALL, IF YOU COUNT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LAKE.

SO THIS IS A VERY STRONG SELLING POINT FOR US BUYING THE HOUSE.

IF THIS MEANS THE WOODS ARE GOING TO BE TORN APART FOR APARTMENTS OR ANY OTHER RESIDENTIAL, IT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM FOR US.

NOW, THE YOUNG LADY SPOKE THAT, UH, THE WOODS BACK THERE THAT ARE OUTLINED IN AQUA OR TEAL IS NOT A FLOOD ZONE.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IN IN THAT COMPANY HAS EVER BEEN THERE AFTER EITHER A SPRING SHOWER OR A HEAVY RAINFALL.

STANDING WATER IS A NORM FOR THAT AREA.

UH, IF YOU EVER LOOKED AT THE TREES, THEY ALMOST LOOK LIKE MANGROVE ROOTS BECAUSE THE TRUNKS ARE SUPPORTED BY THE ROOTS ABOVE THE WATERLINE.

UH, I WOULD SUGGEST OR ASK THAT SOMEBODY ACTUALLY DO SOME TYPE OF STUDY, ONE ON THE TRAFFIC AND ONE ON THE WILDLIFE AND THE, UH, WATER, THE STANDING WATER SITUATION BACK THERE.

IN THIS CASE, I WANT TO INTRODUCE, UH, SOME FOLKS THAT I HAVE WITH ME.

GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR AND, UM, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

MY NAME'S ERIC REMINGTON AND I'M THE APPLICANT IN THIS CASE.

I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH THE LAW FIRM OF GORDON SMITH, LOCATED OUT NEAR THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE.

AND I'M REPRESENTING, UH, STARS AND STRIPES FOR F L L C TONIGHT.

UH, AND I DO WANT TO, UH, TO ADDRESS THIS APPLICATION.

I THINK THE STAFF, UH, REPORT WAS FAIRLY THOROUGH AND, UH, THIS IS A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD REQUEST.

ASK THAT THE BOARD KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS IS A REZONING, THIS IS NOT A SITE PLAN APPROVAL PROCESS.

AND SO AS, UH, ALDERMAN PR BROUGHT UP, UH, AND THE STAFF MENTIONED THERE IS A, UH, SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF OTHER PROCEDURES THAT WOULD NEED TO GO THROUGH, UH, IN ORDER FOR A A SPECIFIC SITE PLAN TO BE APPROVED

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I HAVE, UH, UM, WILLIAM MILLER, WHO IS WITH, UH, THE DIRECTOR OF REAL ESTATE FOR THE APPLICANT.

UM, I'VE GOT SEAN SCANLAN, WHO IS THE DIRECTOR OF DUB ELEMENT FOR THE APPLICANT.

ALSO TYLER JOHNSON, WHO IS THE VP OF DEVELOPMENT FOR THE, FOR THE APPLICANT.

AND THEN JOHN THOMAS, WHO'S BEEN, UH, THE PROJECT ENGINEERING HAS BEEN HELPING OUT.

UM, WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO, UH, THEM TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT, AND THEN I'M GONNA FOLLOW UP WITH SOME COMMENTS, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

UH, AND I'D LIKE TO RESERVE SOME TIME TO DO THAT.

SO, UH, UH, GOOD EVENING BOARD, MR. MAYOR, MY NAME IS TYLER JOHNSON WITH, UH, REPRESENT THE OWNER SERGEANT STRIPES.

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST TAKE A MOMENT AND KIND OF STEP BACK AND, AND TALK ABOUT WHERE THE COMMUNITY WAS WHEN STARS AND STRIPES TOOK OVER AND ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY IN 2016 AND BRING US UP TO TODAY.

UM, AT THAT TIME, THERE WERE ONLY 16 HOMES IN THE COMMUNITY.

UH, IT WAS ORIGINALLY DEVELOPED IN 2009.

UH, IT SAT VASTLY BARON AND ALMOST AS IF IT WAS A DESERT FOR THOSE YEARS.

UM, WHEN STARS AND STRIPES CAME IN, UH, THE ROADS WERE OVERGROWN, SIDEWALKS WERE OVERGROWN, AN EXTREME AMOUNT OF STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE WAS REPAIR WAS NEEDED.

UM, UPON ENTRY, YOU WERE MET WITH A, AN ABANDONED HOME.

UM, SINCE WE HAVE COME IN AND INVESTED INTO THE PROPERTY, UM, WE HAVE BROUGHT 300 HOMES TO NEW BERN.

WE HAVE BUILT A BEAUTIFUL POOL AMENITY.

UH, WE HAVE ASSISTED IN, UH, A NEW ENTRY, ENTRY SIGNAGE, REBRANDED THE COMMUNITY.

UH, WE'VE CLEARED AWAY ALL THAT LANDSCAPE.

IT'S NOW A BEAUTIFUL PLACE TO LIVE.

UM, WE'RE, WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THIS COMMUNITY AND WE'RE DEDICATED TO IT.

UM, YOU KNOW, MANY DEVELOPMENTS WILL COME IN, BUILD THE HOMES AND LEAVE.

WE'RE, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.

WE'RE DEDICATED.

WE'RE HERE TO STAY AND WE'RE MOVING FORWARD, UH, AND, AND EXCITED TO CONTINUE THIS PROGRESS, UH, WITHIN LAKE TYLER.

UM, MARKET DATA THAT WE PULLED JUST YESTERDAY, JULY 10TH, SHOWED US THAT CRAVEN COUNTY IS AT A DEFICIT RIGHT NOW OF ALMOST 900 HOMES.

UH, 500 OF THOSE 900 FALL WITHIN UBER.

UH, THE 2022, UH, LAND USE PLAN THAT RECENTLY CAME OUT TARGETS THIS AREA SPECIFIC THAT, THAT THERE'S A, A, A GREAT NEED FOR HOMES IN THIS AREA.

UM, IT ALSO, THIS, THIS AREA IS CONVENIENT TO FIVE MAJOR EMPLOYERS WITHIN NEW BERN.

UM, AND IT, IT CREATES THE DI UH, DEVI, A DIVERSE, UH, HOUSING TYPE THAT, THAT 20 20 20 20 22 LAND USE PLAN, UH, LAYS OUT.

UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO FOLLOW UP AND CONFIRM A COUPLE OF THINGS.

THIS IS A REPORT RECENTLY CAME OUT, CALLING THIS A AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMMUNITY.

IT'S, IT'S NOT AFFORDABLE.

WE LIKE TO SAY THAT THIS IS AN ATTAINABLE HOUSING COMMUNITY, UH, OR APARTMENT COMPLEX.

UM, IT'S NOT HUD NOT AFFORDABLE.

UH, OUR INTENT HERE IS TO CREATE A PLACE WHERE WORKING FAMILIES OF NEW BERN CAN RESIDE.

UH, WE, I JUST WENT THROUGH THE STATS.

WE NEED HOMES HERE.

UH, AND WE AIM TO PROVIDE THOSE.

UM, IN ADDITION TO SOME OF THE, THE COMMENTARY TONIGHT, IT'S NOT 250 NEW HOMES.

WE ARE ALREADY APPROVED WITH THE CURRENT ZONING FOR 177.

THIS IS A SIMPLE ADDITION.

UH, WE'RE REZONING ONE NOTCH FROM R 10 A TO R EIGHT, UH, WHICH WOULD BE A MAX EDITION OF UH, 45.

UH, AS IT'S BEEN MENTIONED BY STAFF AND MY COLLEAGUES HERE, WE'RE AT STEP NUMBER ONE.

THIS IS REZONING 50,000 FEET.

THERE ARE MANY, MANY STEPS TO GO THROUGH THE DETAILS HERE.

UM, THAT 45 MAY COME DOWN TO 30 20.

WE DON'T KNOW.

BUFFERS WILL COME IN ALL OF THE, THE, THE DETAIL OF THE PLANS, IT, IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP MANY TIMES HERE.

UH, THE, THE DETAIL IS THE NEXT STEP.

THAT'S WHERE WE GO INTO THE ENGINEERING AND, AND DETERMINE THE ROADS AND ROUNDABOUT, WHICH WAS A CONCEPT, YOU KNOW, THESE THINGS WILL ALL FALL INTO PLACE AFTER THIS STEP.

UM, SO AGAIN, I, I JUST, YOU KNOW, WOULD, WOULD, UH, ASK YOUR APPROVAL OF THIS TONIGHT SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD, UH, AND CONTINUE TO BRING HOMES TO NEWBURN.

THE, THE STAFF MADE A REALLY GOOD PRESENTATION.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND BOARD MEMBERS.

UM, MY NAME IS JOHN THOMAS.

I'M WITH THOMAS ENGINEERING HERE IN NEWBURG.

I'VE BEEN COMING BEFORE THIS BOARD FOR ABOUT 40 YEARS NOW.

THE REASON I KNOW THAT IS CAUSE WE CELEBRATED A 40 YEAR ANNIVERSARY LAST MONTH.

UM, MOST OF THESE REZONINGS THAT I'VE BEEN TO, UH, ON BEHALF OF MY CLIENTS IN THE LAST 20 OR SO YEARS.

AND EVERY TIME IT'S A PACK HOUSE.

AND, UH, I'M NOT SURE WE MAY START MOVING TO THE CONVENTION CENTER WITH A NUMBER OF PEOPLE SHOWING UP.

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EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE TALKED ABOUT WAS IN THEIR PRESENTATION.

ALL THE BOXES WERE CHECKED, THE PLANNING BOARD APPROVED IT, AND I, I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY WELL PUT TOGETHER.

SO I'M NOT GONNA REITERATE EVERYTHING THAT WAS IN, IN THERE.

WHENEVER WE LOOK AT REZONED, WE LOOK AT WHAT'S THE WORST THING YOU CAN DO IN THERE, WHETHER IT'S COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL, WHATEVER.

AND THEN IN THIS CASE, IT'S MULTIFAMILY AND YOU START RUNNING THE NUMBERS AND THE NUMBERS DO GET, GET PRETTY BIG.

AS THE ROOF SAID.

IT'S JUST A SLIGHT INCREASE TO GO FROM THE R 10 A TO THE RRA.

JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME COMPARISONS, WE ARE ASKING R 10 A TO R EIGHT.

WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR R SIX AND WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR COMMERCIALS.

UM, WHEN WE WERE DOING THE BRYCE COST, WHICH I'M SURE SOME OF YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT ON THE REZONING ORDER TO BURNA, PEOPLE SHOWED UP OK FOR THE BRYCE CROSSING HERE, AND WE REQUESTED R EIGHT THERE TO BURN IS R EIGHT THE ADJACENT TO BRYCE'S CROSSING.

WHEN WE DID THAT REZONING TO R EIGHT PEOPLE FROM TO VERNA AND BRYCE'S CROSSING STOOD UP AS THESE FINE PEOPLE DID FOR THAT HEARING.

AND WE WERE GRANTED R EIGHT WHEN WE DID BLUE WATER RISE TO R EIGHT, WHICH IS A RATHER LARGE DEVELOPMENT, FIVE, 600 ACRES THERE, POTENTIALLY A THOUSAND LOTS TO GO IN THERE.

SOME TO BURNA PRICES CROSSING AND PARTY FARMS. PEOPLE SHOWED UP FOR THAT HERE.

AND WE WERE GRANTED R EIGHT FOR THAT CAROLINA COLORS, WE WEREN'T INVOLVED IN THAT, BUT THE MAJORITY OF CAROLINA COLORS IS R EIGHT.

THERE'S A LOT OF R EIGHT OUT THERE THAT SEEM TO BE VERY POPULAR.

UM, RARELY DID MULTIFAMILY OR HOW MANY UNITS CAN YOU GET IN THERE COME UP.

THAT SEEMED TO BE A GOOD FIT FOR WHAT WE WERE ASKING FOR IN, IN THOSE COMMUNITIES.

WEST NEW, WHICH IS A VERY NICE DEVELOPMENT, IS R SIX AND C3.

OKAY? THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT IN THERE THAT COMMENT.

FOLKS DID AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, AND UNLESS I'VE GOT MY INFORMATION INCORRECT, THERE'S UM, 224 APARTMENTS ON 11 ACRES.

THAT'S 20 UNITS PER ACRE IN THAT DEVELOPMENT.

AND IT FITS, IT WORKS.

WE'RE HALF OF THAT ON WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING IF WE DECIDE WE WANNA GO FOR THE MULTIFAMILY, A BIG PORTION OF TRADE FOREST WAS GRANTED, OR SIX A BIG ACREAGE, UH, NOT TOO LONG AGO.

THIS IS A PUT, IT'S A PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S NOT A HUD HUD UNIT DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S A PUT PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT IN A PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT.

YOU CAN DO VARIOUS THINGS IN THERE.

AND THE PURPOSE OF THE PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT IS TO HAVE A MIX OF DIFFERENT THINGS IN THERE, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO.

THE AREA THAT WE'RE ASKING TO HAVE REZONED IS IN SORT OF A TRANSITION AREA BETWEEN THE SINGLE FAMILY AND A VERY BUSY NC 43.

UH, THE REQUEST TO GET R EIGHT IN THERE TO POSSIBLY DO MULTIFAMILY, IF THAT'S WHAT MY CLIENT DECIDES THEY'RE GONNA DO, IS A GOOD FIT IN THAT TRANSITION FROM THE MULTI-FAMILY OVER TO, UH, TO THE HIGHWAY.

I THINK THAT, UH, R 10 A TO RA, I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE REQUEST.

I THINK IT'S FAIR.

AND IN LOOKING AT ALL THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE'RE IN COMPETITION WITH THAT ARE VERY NEAR US AND ACROSS THE RIVER, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD REQUEST THAT YOU, UH, APPROVE THIS AND LEVEL PLAYING FIELD OUT A LITTLE.

TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC.

THANK MR. MAYOR BOARD.

MY NAME IS SEAN, SCAN, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT FOR STARS AND STRIPES.

JUST LIKE TO REITERATE AND FOLLOW UP THAT ALL THE CONCERNS THAT CAME FROM YOUR CONSTITUENTS TODAY ARE ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTOOD AND ARE BASICALLY THE SAME OF ALL THE DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS THAT I WORK ON CURRENTLY THROUGHOUT NORTH CAROLINA AND THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES.

WHAT I NEED TO, TO LET THESE FINE FOLKS KNOW IS THAT NOTHING IN DEVELOPMENT, FIRST OF ALL IS EASY.

WE CANNOT GO IN AND TURN A BLADE OF ANYTHING.

AND IF YOU THINK WE CAN, THEN, THEN PLEASE TELL ME WHERE TO GO.

AND I WOULD LOVE TO WORK IN THAT COUNTY.

WE'RE SUBJECT TO VERY STRINGENT REVIEWS FROM ALL THE MULTI AGENCIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE.

NC D O T HAPPENS TO BE ONE OF MY SPECIALTIES FOR THIS PARTICULAR REASON, COMING INTO COMMUNITIES THAT ARE ALREADY EXISTING THAT MAYBE DIDN'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE PLAN IN PLACE, AND IT JUST NEVER GOT DONE.

IT WAS NEVER EVEN REQUIRED.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE BOARD KNOWS, ESPECIALLY YOUR CONSTITUENTS, AGAIN, THAT ANYTHING THAT GETS PUSHED THROUGH THE NEXT LEVEL HERE, WE'LL BE UNDER STRICT SCRUTINY WITH RESPECT TO STORMWATER,

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WETLANDS, THE TRAFFIC STUDIES, ALL THAT KIND OF THING.

THIS IS JUST TO GET US A BASELINE TO THEN ALLOW US TO GET TO MORE OF A SUBSTENANCE DETAILED PLAN ONCE WE HAVE ALL THOSE METRICS MET AND ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT MAY COME ALONG, THE APPROVAL THAT WAS DONE BACK IN THE DAY WHENEVER THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL WAS DONE.

WE NEED TO LOOK AT HOW THIS INTEGRATES INTO THE EXISTING ROADWAY PLANS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND THE EXISTING DRAINAGE PLANS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, BUT CAN ASSURE EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM AS FAR AS YOUR CONSTITUENTS AND, AND, AND OBVIOUSLY THE BOARD HERE, THAT THIS WILL ALL BE DONE TO THE HIGHEST STANDARDS AND THE STRICTEST STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY THE STATE AND EVERY STATE AND MULTI-AGENCY, INCLUDING YOUR TOWN.

SO PLEASE, WE JUST WANT THESE FOLKS TO KNOW THAT WE ARE GOOD STEWARDS.

I AM THE ON THE GROUND GUY.

I WILL BE HERE.

I'VE MET WITH, UH, MOST EVERYBODY IN YOUR UTILITY DEPARTMENT TODAY.

FANTASTIC PEOPLE.

WE, WE, WE WORKED THROUGH A LOT OF THINGS.

A LOT OF THE QUE QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, AND WE'RE GONNA START NAILING 'EM DOWN ONE AT A TIME AND WE'RE GONNA START TO BRING THIS FORWARD.

SO EVERYTHING THESE FOLKS HAVE TALKED ABOUT, WE'VE GOT OUR EYES ON AND EARS ON, AND WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT IT GETS ADDRESSED REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS HERE TONIGHT.

SO I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND I HOPE YOU ALL HAVE A GREAT NIGHT.

UM, THE LOCATION IS CONVENIENT TO THOSE FIVE DIFFERENT, UH, UH, MAJOR MANUFACTURERS AND, AND, UH, EMPLOYERS.

I WOULD KIND OF SUMMARIZE SOME THINGS FOR THE BOARD AND, AND THE MAYOR.

UM, WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE NEW BERN HAS RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT REGARD DEVELOPMENT OF PROPERTY IN AND THE AREAS IN NEW BERN AND WHAT THOSE RULES AND AND REGULATIONS STATE.

IS THERE CERTAIN THINGS THAT YOU ALL SHOULD CONSIDER WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDERING A REZONING? THIS IS, AGAIN, A FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD APPLICATION, UH, REQUESTING A, A RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT CHANGE FROM 10 A DOWN TO EIGHT.

UH, BUT IT'S STILL RESIDENTIAL.

AND AS THE STAFF SHOWED IN ONE OF THEIR SLIDES, WHEN YOU COMPARE THE TWO TOGETHER AND YOU KNOW THE, THE SPECIFIC USES, THERE'S A TABLE OF THOSE IN IN THE ORDINANCE.

UH, WHEN YOU COMPARE THE SPECIFIC USES THAT CAN HAPPEN IN R 10 A VERSUS THOSE THAT CAN HAPPEN IN R RA, THEY ARE IDENTICAL.

THERE'S NOT ANY THAT ARE DIFFERENT.

AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE EXACTLY THE SAME.

THEIR PERMITTED USES ARE ALL THE SAME.

THE SPECIAL USES ARE ALL THE SAME.

EVERY USE IS THE SAME.

UH, SO THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE IN THE USES BETWEEN R 10 A AND R EIGHT.

THERE'S NO DIFFERENT IN THE INTENT.

EACH OF THE DISTRICTS HAS CERTAIN INTENT, UH, REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE LISTED IN THE ORDINANCE.

AND EACH OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS THAT'S IN R 10 A IS IN, IN R EIGHT.

SO ALL OF THE INTENT IS THE SAME.

UM, THE REALLY, THE, THE ONE DIFFERENCE IS THE, THE, UM, 10,000 SQUARE FEET VERSUS 8,000 SQUARE FEET.

UM, WHEN YOU ALL ARE DECIDING WHETHER YOU SHOULD REONE THIS PROPERTY, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT CERTAIN THINGS AS TO WHETHER IT'S REASONABLE OR NOT.

ONE OF THOSE CRITERIA IS THE SIZE OF THE TRACT.

WELL, THIS IS A 20 ACRE TRACT AND A 28, AND IT'S RIGHT NOW DIVIDED INTO TWO DIFFERENT PARCELS.

UH, THE 20 ACRE TRACT IS A REASONABLE SIZE FOR A PROJECT, UH, FOR MULTIFAMILY.

IT'S ALSO A REASONABLE SIZE FOR OTHER USES THAT ARE AVAILABLE UNDER THE, THE, UM, CURRENT ZONING.

UH, YOU SHOULD LOOK AT THE BENEFITS THAT, THAT THIS PROVIDES.

AND, YOU KNOW, UM, MR. JOHNSON ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THIS PROVIDE, THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S HOUSING SHORTAGE HERE IN NEW BERN AND THAT THIS WOULD PROVIDE NEEDED HOUSING.

YOU GOT FIVE MAJOR, UH, EMPLOYERS WITHIN SEVERAL MILES OF THIS.

YOU GOT, UH, BSH, YOU GOT THE HOSPITAL, YOU GOT MOEN, YOU GOT, UH, THE QUARRY.

YOU'VE GOT OTHER, UH, BIG EMPLOYERS THAT ARE RIGHT THERE.

AND THIS WILL PROVIDE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING AT THOSE, UH, EMPLOYERS.

ISN'T IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST.

YES, THIS IS IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST, AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE, UM, HOUSING NEED IN NEW BERN AND THE AREA.

UM, ARE THERE CHANGE CONDITIONS THAT THAT WARRANT THIS? UH, YES.

YOU KNOW, THE MARKET RIGHT NOW IS TOUGH TO DEVELOP IN.

UH, AND SO IN ORDER TO MAKE PROJECTS, UH, DEVELOPABLE, YOU KNOW, IT, IT DOES HELP TO, TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THE MOST BENEFIT OF YOUR PROPERTY.

AND SO THAT'S AGAIN, WHY THEY'RE, UH, LOOKING AT THIS CHANGE.

BUT I REALLY WANNA FOCUS ON THE SECOND PART OF THIS, AND THAT'S THE PLAN CONSISTENCY PART.

AND I WANT TO, UH, POINT OUT SOME THINGS IN THE 2022 LAND UPDATE, LAND USE PLAN UPDATE.

UH, YOU ALL HAVE IDENTIFIED THE NORTH CAROLINA 43 FOCUS AREA, AND THIS PROPERTY IS WITHIN THAT FOCUS AREA.

UM, IN THAT DOCUMENT, WHICH WAS JUST AGAIN, PREPARED LAST YEAR, UH, AND IS DATED 2022, UH, IT SAYS THAT THIS AREA, THE POPULATION IS INCREASING STEADILY.

THAT'S A QUOTE FROM YOUR, FROM YOUR LAND USE PLAN.

UH, SECTION 2.3 SAYS, THERE IS VERY MODEST AMOUNT OF MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING IN THE, IN THE ENTIRE ENTIRE AREA.

NOT JUST IN IN THE 43, UH, AREA, BUT ALSO IN ALL OF NEW BERN.

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SECTION THREE FIVE TALKS ABOUT THE SUITABILITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT AREA.

UH, FOR THIS, AND AGAIN, THERE'S A TABLE THAT RE, RE, RE RELATES SPECIFICALLY TO THE NORTH CAROLINA 43 FOCUS AREA, UH, WHICH YOU ALL ARE, ARE LOOKING AT.

AND THE POSITIVE CRITERIA THAT ARE LISTED THERE ARE LARGE EMPLOYERS ARE, ARE LOCATED IN THAT AREA.

THERE'S DEVELOPABLE LAND, WHICH THIS IS PART OF, AND THAT THERE'S AVAILABILITY OF UTILITY SERVICES POLICY 3.71, WHICH TALKS ABOUT LAND AND USE DEVELOPMENT.

UH, UNDER THAT, THERE ARE SEVERAL POLICY STATEMENTS THAT, THAT CLEARLY SUPPORT THIS REQUEST.

ONE IS TO PROMOTE DIVERSITY IN THE HOUSING STOCK, AND BY ENCOURAGING A VARIETY OF OPTIONS, WELL, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOMES IN NEW BERN, BUT WE DON'T HAVE IS A LOT OF MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING.

UH, THE POLICY 1.2 IS INCREASING THE SUPPLY IN THE HOUSING MARKET, UH, WHICH KEEPS THE COSTS, UH, AT A MANAGEABLE LEVEL FOR RENTERS, AS WELL AS ENCOURAGES MIGRATION TO NEW BERN.

UH, AGAIN, THAT'S IN YOUR LAND USE PLAN.

UM, THE 1.3 TALKS ABOUT AMENDING RES REGULATIONS WITH FOCUS ON GREATER ACCOMMODATION OF A VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES SUCH AS MULTIFAMILY.

THE SITE IS DYING AND BUFFERING ISSUES ARE ALL TAKEN CARE OF DURING SUB SUBSEQUENT, UH, HEARING PROCEDURES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO AGAIN, TRAFFIC BUFFERING.

ALL OF THOSE KIND OF THINGS ARE LOOKED AT IN GREAT DETAIL, NOT ONLY BY THE PLANNING STAFF AND ALL OF THE AGENCIES IN, UH, NEW BERN FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL BE TALKED TO, POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL BE TALKED TO.

NORTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION WILL BE TALKED TO.

UM, WE'RE NOT LOOKING INTO COMMERCIAL USES FOR THIS AREA.

UH, BUT THAT IS AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW AS PART OF THE PUT THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED FOR THIS.

UH, BUT THEY, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, OWNER BELIEVES THAT, UH, PROVIDING MULTIFAMILY HOUSING WOULD BE A BETTER, BETTER USE.

AND THEN, UH, 1.21 SAYS, ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT APPROACHES LIKE PUDS.

AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS.

THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AS PUD.

UH, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO, UH, MODIFY WHAT THE, UH, EXISTING USE OF THE PUD IS TO SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.

UM, FIGURE 16 IN THE, UH, IN THE LAND USE PLAN SHOWS THE LAND USE AS A VACANT COMMERCIAL.

BUT THIS IS IN THE URBAN TRANSITION AREA.

AND WHAT THE DEFINITION OF URBAN TRANSITION IS, IS THIS CLASSIFICATION PROVIDES FOR FUTURE INTENSIVE URBAN DEVELOPMENT.

ALRIGHT, THAT I DIDN'T PUT THE WORD INTENSIVE IN THERE.

THAT'S IN YOUR ALL'S LAND USE PLAN.

SECOND ONE IS THAT THESE AREAS INCLUDE MOST OF THE WESTERN PORTION OF NEW BERNS ETJ, WHICH IS WHERE THIS IS.

SO AGAIN, THERE ARE CRITERIA THAT YOU ALL ARE SUPPOSED TO CONSIDER ABOUT REASONABLENESS.

AND I BELIEVE THAT THROUGH THE STAFF'S PLAN, THROUGH, THROUGH THEIR PRESENTATION, THROUGH THE PRESENTATION OF THE OWNERS AND THINGS, YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN INFORMATION TO SHOW THAT THIS REQUEST IS REASONABLE.

THE OTHER PART THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO, UH, TO FOCUS ON IS WHETHER IT'S CONSISTENT WITH YOUR LAND USE PLANS.

AND CLEARLY IT IS BASED ON THESE STATEMENTS THAT, THAT HAVE BEEN PULLED AWAY FROM YOUR, FROM YOUR LAND USE PLAN, PLUS YOUR PLANNING STAFF WHO YOU ALL PAY TO DO THESE.

THIS TYPE OF WORK HAS FOUND THAT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE, WITH THE PLANS.

SO WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU ALL APPROVE THIS REQUEST TONIGHT.

UM, AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, LET US MOVE FORWARD THROUGH THE PROCESS, UM, AND, AND BASICALLY APPROVE THE, THE CHANGE FROM R TEN EIGHT TO R EIGHT.

I WOULD LIKE, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY KIND OF QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD HAS.

UH, AND IF I CAN'T ANSWER 'EM, AND THEN ONE OF THE THAT'S WITH ME, WILL, UH, WE ALSO ARE, UM, WE WOULD LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY IF, IF OTHER PEOPLE ARE GIVEN A CHANCE TO COMMENT TO, TO RESPOND TO THAT.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

I THINK THIS IS YOUR THIRD AND FINAL TIME.

I'M CONFUSED.

THE SECOND PERSON WAS UP HERE AND THE THIRD PERSON WAS UP HERE.

DIDN'T SAY THE SAME THING.

I MEAN, IN MY EYES THEY CONTRADICTED HIMSELF.

I, THE GENTLEMAN JUST LEFT.

I'M ASKING MYSELF, DO YOU REALLY KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO BUILD? I'M CONFUSED.

UM, MY NAME IS SANDRA JONES.

I RETIRED FROM THE MILITARY OF 21 YEARS.

UM, GLAD YOU'VE GIVEN ME THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AND SHARE MY CONCERNS.

I LIVE AT 4 0 1 GINGER DRIVE, UM, OVER IN TYLER LAKE.

AND COMING OUT OF THAT DEVELOPMENT IS VERY, VERY

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DANGEROUS.

I CANNOT STRESS ENOUGH ABOUT HOW UNSAFE IT IS.

I DON'T THINK ANYONE HAS A PROBLEM HERE WITH THE ADDITIONAL, UH, APARTMENTS BEING BUILT.

BUT I KNOW THERE ARE AREAS LABELED FOR COMMERCIAL AND THOSE THAT ARE LABELED FOR RESIDENTS.

BUT WHY CLUTTER? AN AREA THAT'S ALREADY CLUSTERED COMING OUT OF THERE IS SO DANGEROUS THAT I ALMOST GOT KILLED A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.

I WAS COMING OUT OF THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT.

I WENT TO THE MIDDLE LANE TO WAIT FOR THE FAR RIGHT LANE TO CLEAR.

THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A BLIND SPOT.

I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE BLIND SPOT.

PEOPLE ARE SO IMPATIENT, RUSHING, TRYING TO BE SOMEWHERE ON TIME.

THEY CUT OVER IN MY TURNING LANE AND I'M WATCHING THAT LANE.

I'M WATCHING MY REAR VIEW MIRROR.

THIS TRUCK IS COMING HEAD ON, DOING AT LEAST 50 MILES AN HOUR.

ALL I COULD DO WAS SPEED UP A LITTLE BIT IN A LITTLE SPACE THAT I HAD.

HE HAD TO DODGE ME BY GETTING IN THE ONCOMING TRAFFIC LANE.

THANK GOD THERE WAS NOTHING COMING AND SWING AROUND ME.

IT IS JUST VERY DANGEROUS.

YOU HAVE THE INDIVIDUAL HOMES ON THE STREET OF 43.

YOU GOT THE TRAILER PARK ACROSS FROM YOU.

YOU GOT PEOPLE AND CHILDREN CROSSING THE STREET.

YOU GOT PEOPLE COMING FROM THE GAS STATION FROM THE LEFT.

YOU GOT PEOPLE COMING OUTTA GRACIE FARMS TRYING TO MAKE A LEFT AND A RIGHT.

AND YOU GOT PEOPLE COMING OUT OF THE OTHER GAS STATION DOWN THE ROAD.

IT IS JUST TWO CONGESTED THERE.

AND I SEE A LOT OF OTHER OPEN AREAS THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD RECONSIDER IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO WIDEN THE ROADS OR IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PUT, UH, LIGHTS AT THE INTERSECTIONS THERE OF GRACIE FARMS AND AT, UM, COMING OUT OF TYLER LAKE AREA.

UM, THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

YOU QUICK 20 SECONDS.

I KNOW IT WAS MY SECOND TIME.

I JUST WANTED TO SAY MY BIGGEST TAKEAWAY TONIGHT.

I JUST WANTED TO THANK, I THINK IT WAS MR. THOMAS RIGHT HERE.

SORRY, I CAN'T HEAR YOUR NAME BACK THERE.

IS THAT I WANT TO THANK HIM FOR HIS EXHAUSTED LIST OF REZONINGS I'VE GOTTEN APPROVED REGARDLESS OF WHAT COMMUNITY HAD TO SAY.

SO IT MAKES ME WONDER, AT WHAT POINT IN TIME IS A MONO AMOUNT OF TAX DOLLARS NOT GONNA MEAN MORE THAN WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAS TO SAY THAT'S BEING IMPACTED BY IT? HI, MY NAME IS SHARON CHU.

I LIVE AT 5 22 DAKOTA.

UM, MOST OF THE THINGS HAVE BEEN COVERED BY OTHER OTHERS OF MY NEIGHBORS, BUT I DO WANNA ENFORCE AGAIN, THE FACT THAT THERE'S BEEN NO TRANSPARENCY FROM DEVELOPERS FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS.

WHEN WE BOUGHT OUR HOUSE, IT WAS TO BE A CERTAIN THING OUT FRONT.

THEN SUDDENLY THAT'S OFF OF THE ST.

BURKE WEBSITE.

ST BURKE STARTS AND STRIKES.

THEY'RE THE SAME.

THEY SHARE THE SAME ADDRESS IN ATLANTA IN AN OFFICE.

SO ANYWAY, THIS IS WHAT I HAVE EMAILED THE DEVELOPER SEVERAL TIMES, WHICH I WAS ADVISED TO DO.

AND I NEVER GET AN ANSWER.

THEY DON'T BOTHER TO EVEN HAVE THE RESPECT TO ANSWER.

SO I REALLY DON'T TRUST ANYTHING THAT I'M HEARING HERE TONIGHT OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT YOU ALL DID CLARIFY WITH THE LADY THAT STOOD UP AND SPOKE ABOUT THE ZONING THAT I THINK WE ALL CAN UNDERSTAND THAT SOMEWHAT BETTER.

AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT.

THAT WE ALL UNDERSTAND IN THIS ROOM.

THIS WILL BE MY LAST TIME, THE SECOND TIME.

UH, JOHN ADAMS AGAIN, UH, MAYOR BOARD, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME.

UH, WE, WE HEARD A, A PLETHORA OF INFORMATION.

WE HEARD A, UH, SPEAKER THAT OPENED EVERYTHING UP THAT GAVE US THE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THIS ZONE WAS ABOUT.

WHY WE ARE, WHY THEY ARE ASKING TO REZONE, UH, THE IMPORTANCE OF IT, THE BACKGROUND OF THE DIFFERENCES OF WHAT WAS ALREADY SET IN CASE BY THIS BOARD AND BY THE ZONING COMMITTEE THAT IS PAID FOR BY THE UNITED OR BY THE NORTH CAROLINA.

UM, WHO HAD SET A PLAN IN MOTION FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS OF THE 40 43 55 AREA.

AND FOR THEM TO THEN ASK FOR AN ADDITIONAL 45 OR SO UNITS, UH, WHICH SEEMS SO LITTLE AND SO FEW FAR BETWEEN.

UM, THE PROBLEM THAT WE ALL HAVE IN THE COMMUNITY IS HOW THAT'S GOING TO ADJUST INTO OUR COMMUNITY.

UH, IT IS OBVIOUS NOW, UH, NOT FROM THE FIRST SPEAKER, BUT BY MR. JOHNSON FROM THE REPRESENT OR REPRESENTATIVE FOUR STARS OF STRIPES, UM, THAT HE IS OR THEY WILL CONTINUE WITH THE, UH, THE APARTMENT COMPLEX.

AND THAT IS NOW SOMETHING

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WE WERE NOT SURE OF WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO OR ANYTHING.

AGAIN, MANY PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY HAVE REACHED OUT.

UM, BUT THEY'RE UNDER NO OBLIGATION TO RESPOND TO OUR EMAILS, WHICH IS COMPLETELY WITHIN THEIR RIGHTS.

UH, HOWEVER IT IS OUR PROPERTIES THAT WE INVESTED IN, WHY WE LOVE OUR AREA SO MUCH, WHY WE ABSOLUTELY ENJOY NEW BERN AND THE PROCESSES THAT ARE THERE AS A PERSON THAT HAS KIDS THAT GO TO SCHOOL IN THE AREA.

IT IT'S NOT THE GREATEST SCHOOLS.

AND, AND THERE THERE'S IMPROVEMENT THAT IS GOING ON CAUSE THAT NEW PRINCIPAL IS GREAT.

IT TRULY IS GETTING BETTER.

BUT IF WE'RE NOT FOCUSED ON INFRASTRUCTURE BEFORE WE DEAL WITH REZONING THOUGHT PROCESSES FOR DEVELOPMENT, THEN WHAT ARE WE REALLY SETTING NEW BERN UP FOR? AND I LEAVE YOU WITH THAT THOUGHT PROCESS.

AND I TRULY THINK THAT YOU ARE VERY CAPABLE.

UH, WE ARE INCAPABLE HANDS, UH, THE, THE LAUNDRY LIST AGAINST US, EVERYONE THAT DOESN'T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN.

IT SOUNDS AS THE ENGINEERING, UH, PROFESSIONAL BROUGHT IT UP THAT WE'RE, WE'RE DEFINITELY STACKED.

ALL THE CARS ARE STACKED AGAINST US.

UH, BUT I BELIEVE THAT WE, WE PUT DOWN A PRETTY HEFTY LINE.

I KNOW A LOT OF THIS IS PROBABLY GONNA GO TO THE NEXT STEP.

UH, I HOPE IT DOES NOT.

I STILL OPPOSE.

I THINK THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD DO.

I HOPE THEY GET UP HERE AND SAY THAT THEY OPPOSE BECAUSE THOSE VOTES DO COUNT AND THEY ARE TAKING THAT CONSIDERATION.

UM, SO WITH THAT, I, I TRULY HOPE THAT YOU MAKE A A VERY GOOD DECISION.

MAYOR BOARD, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU YOU, MR. MAYOR ALDERMAN, OTHER OFFICIALS AND TO MY ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS.

UH, MY NAME IS ROSE MARIE CAPLE.

I LIVE AT 3 0 9 FRIDA ROAD.

I'VE BEEN THERE FOR A LITTLE OVER A YEAR.

AND I MUST SAY THAT I ENJOY THE COMMUNITY, BUT I RECOGNIZE THAT LAKE TYLER STILL HAS PROBLEMS, INFRASTRUCTURE PROBLEMS. SO I WOULD NOT WANT TO SEE MORE DEVELOPMENT CLOSE BY WHEN THOSE INFRASTRUCTURE PROBLEMS HAVE NOT BEEN TAKEN CARE OF.

I OPPOSE BUILDING THERE COMPLETELY BECAUSE IT WILL CHANGE THE ATMOSPHERE OF OUR COMMUNITY.

NOW A LOT HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT THE 43 AREA AND I DRIVE FROM 43 AT 55 TO ROUTE 70 AND THERE'S A LOT OF LAND UNDEVELOPED LAND THERE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S ZONED, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THERE'S A FOUR LANE HIGHWAY THERE AS OPPOSED TO A TWO LANE HIGHWAY WITH ONE TURN LANE ON WASHINGTON POST.

AND I ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT STARS AND STRIPES OWNS THAT PROPERTY AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE MONEY ON IT AND I CAN APPRECIATE THAT.

BUT PERHAPS SOMETHING COULD BE DONE WHERE THE CITY AND STARS AND STRIPES COULD WORK TOGETHER AND SOME LAND THAT'S ON 43 BETWEEN 55 AND ROUTE 70 COULD BE MADE AVAILABLE TO STARS AND STRIPES WHERE THEY COULD BUILD SOME PROPERTIES WHERE THEY COULD BUILD MORE THAN THE 1 77 OR THE TWO 14 THAT THEY WANT TO BUILD TO PROVIDE MORE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE IN THE AREA.

SO I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE A YEAR.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ZONING IS LIKE IN THAT AREA, BUT I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF UNDEVELOPED LAND THERE.

AND ONE WOULD NOT HAVE ALL OF THE MAJOR, UH, TRAFFIC PROBLEMS IF BUILDING WAS DONE ON THAT SECTION OF 43.

IS STILL BEING CONTROLLED BY STARS AND STRIPE AND THEY HAVE THEIR, THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY, UH, RUNNING IT, WHICH IS FINE.

I APOLOGIZE.

I KNOW IT'S MY SECOND TIME, BUT ONE QUICK THING.

WELL, TWO ONE, I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU GUYS KNOW THAT I OPPOSE, WHICH I THINK YOU DO.

BUT I WANTED TO ADD SOMETHING TO MY COMMENT WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE STILL HAD MANY LOTS AVAILABLE.

OUR MANY LOTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE ARE ALSO KEEPING US FROM HAVING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TURNED OVER TO US AS RESIDENTS.

SO WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL OF OUR HOA.

OUR HOA

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MANAGEMENT COMPANY IS DOING FINE, BUT IT'S NOT BY US, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, US AS THE RESIDENTS, WE PAY OUR DUES.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS CONCERNING TO US WITH THEM BUILDING, WHICH WE'VE NOW FOUND IS MORE GOING TO BE APARTMENTS ON A PROPERTY THAT SOMEWHAT IS BEING MAINTAINED LANDSCAPING WISE BY OUR HOA DUES IS HOW MUCH IS THAT GOING TO ENCROACH ON OUR AMENITIES? THEY HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT BEING TRANSPARENT WITH US.

BUT ALSO, AGAIN, THINK ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY'VE GOT ONE PROJECT GOING, CAN'T FINISH IT CUZ THEY CANCELED LOTS AND FINISH THOSE OTHER 99 HOUSES AND THEY WANNA START ANOTHER ONE AND RUIN THE VIEW GOING INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

HAVE YOU GUYS BEEN BY THERE, LOOKED INTO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD DRIVEN IN BEAUTIFUL VIEW? YOU COME IN, WHAT'S THAT FRONT LOT GONNA LOOK LIKE? BIG APARTMENT BUILDING GOING DOWN WHERE THERE'S WOODED TREES, BIG APARTMENT BUILDING, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THAT TAKES AWAY FROM WHAT WE BOUGHT.

IF YOU GUYS BOUGHT A HOUSE IN THERE, HOW WOULD YOU GUYS KIND OF FEEL? YOU SPENT $350,000 FOR A HOUSE.

DON'T BE LIKE FLORIDA WHERE I CAME FROM WHERE THEY JUST CHANGED ALL THE ZONING BUILT HOUSES.

POLK COUNTY, THEY'RE THE FASTEST GROWING COUNTY IN THE COUNTRY.

THEY ISSUED OVER 15,000 HOUSING PERMITS IN A YEAR.

THEY DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO KEEP UP WITH IT.

ROADS, WATER, ELECTRICITY, COOLS.

DON'T BE LIKE THAT.

BE BE NEW BERN.

THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING.

BE WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE.

THANK YOU ADAMS MY POINT TOO, JUST LISTENING TO THE, THE DEVELOPER SIDE HERE.

UM, YOU HAD ONE GENTLEMAN WHO'S SAYING, WELL IT'S 50,000 FEET.

WE'RE JUST, THIS IS JUST FREEZO.

HE HAD ANOTHER GENTLEMAN WHO SAID THAT WAS GONNA BE MIXED USE AND THEN YOU HAD A THIRD GENTLEMAN SAY, WELL THERE'S GONNA BE NO COMMERCIAL.

BUT THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BUILD THERE.

SO WHAT IS THE FULL STORY? AND I FEEL LIKE WE'RE NOT GETTING THAT.

UM, AND I, I JUST DON'T SEE A HARM IN KNOWING WHAT ACTUALLY THEY'RE GONNA BUILD BEFORE THE ZONING CHANGE.

WHAT HARM WOULD THAT CAUSE TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BUILD.

IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S PLANS, BUT WE'RE JUST NOT GETTING 'EM.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN PRIVY TO THEM AND WE'RE NOT AND, AND YOU KNOW THEM AND WE DON'T.

BUT THAT'S WHAT IT SEEMS LIKE NOW.

THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT STORIES AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA BE.

IS IT GONNA BE A 10 FOOT OR A 10 STORY APARTMENT BUILDING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT? LIKE THERE'S, WE'RE NOT GETTING ANYTHING ON THERE.

WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS GONNA BE BUILT THERE AND HOW IT'S GONNA AFFECT, YOU KNOW, OUR COMMUNITY NEXT TO THAT.

LIKE TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.

I ASK TO STOP.

I'M KINDA TRYING TO BITE MY TONGUE JUST A LITTLE BIT, BUT I HAD TO COME BACK SECOND TIME.

YES, WE HAVE, LET ME SAY THIS PICTURE THIS, YOU GOT A DRIVEWAY HERE FOR LAKE TYLER.

YOU GOT A DRIVEWAY HERE FOR COLONIAL.

YOU GOT A DRIVEWAY HERE FOR PLANNER'S RIDGE AND THEN YOU GOT UH, GRACIE FARMS, RIGHT? SO I KNOW THE GENTLEMAN SAID THAT THEY DO ALL THESE STUDIES WITH THE ROADS, BUT OKAY, COLONIAL BEEN THERE SINCE LIKE THE NINETIES.

CAUSE I REMEMBER MOVING TO 42 MORNING STARTED DRIVING.

I WAS IN FIRST GRADE PLANNER'S, RIDGE WAS ALREADY GOING.

GRACIE FARMS WAS BACK THERE WHEN I WAS GOING TO JAMES 30 SMITH BACK IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

SO HOW GOOD WAS THAT STUDY? HOW GOOD IS THE NEXT STUDY REALLY GOING TO BE? THAT'S JUST, THAT'S MY QUESTION.

ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT TRAFFIC HAS GOTTEN WORSE AND THERE REALLY WAS NOT ANYTHING TO ALLEVIATE ALL THAT AND ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT.

UM, THAT, THAT'S JUST IN THE BACK OF MY MIND.

AND, AND THEN THIS SECOND PIECE, UM, HE SAID IT'S NOT AFFORDABLE, IT'S ATTAINABLE.

AND I HEAR THEY ALREADY ARE APPROVED FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF APARTMENTS.

SO I'M KIND OF STRUGGLING WITH THE IDEA THAT WE'RE GOING TO DISRUPT FOR SOMETHING THAT MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD.

CUZ ATTAINABLE IS SUBJECTIVE WHILE AFFORDABLE IS ACTUALLY DEFINED WITHIN POLICIES.

I'LL LEAVE THAT ONE.

ANYONE ELSE? MAYOR, IF THERE IS NO OTHERS THAT WANT TO COME FORWARD, I WOULD

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I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? I HAVE A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? YES.

MOTION DISCUSSION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING OR YES.

OH NO.

CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING, SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? ANY PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.

ALL BEST.

I JUST WANT TO THANK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE CITIZENS THAT COME OUT HERE, THAT, THAT YOU'RE PRESENT HERE TONIGHT.

I WANT TO YOU TO KNOW THAT I RECEIVED YOUR EMAILS, YOUR PHONE CALLS, AND YOUR TEXTS, AND I TOOK IT UNDER ADVISEMENT.

UM, I AM NOT GOING TO WASTE A LOT OF TIME ON THIS ISSUE, THIS REZONING BECAUSE ALL I'VE HEARD A LOT FROM LAKE TYLER, BUT I JUST WANNA SAY THIS MUCH, THIS REZONING IS NOT JUST GOING TO AFFECT LAKE TYLER, AS WE'VE ALL HEARD HERE TONIGHT.

YOU HAVE GRACIE FARMS, YOU HAVE PLANNERS RIDGE, YOU HAVE THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE ON 43 AND WASHINGTON POST ROAD.

YOU HAVE, UM, BRIARWOOD LANE, YOU HAVE GRACIE FARMS, YOU HAVE ALL OF THOSE AREAS THAT'S GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY THIS REZONING.

NOW, AS I SAID, I'M NOT GONNA WASTE A LOT OF TIME ON THIS BECAUSE AS A HOMEOWNER MYSELF, I WOULD NOT WANT A MULTI-FAMILY 200 APARTMENT COMPLEX IN FRONT OF MY HOME OR WITH IN FRONT OF MY COMMUNITY.

SO, AND WE ALL HAVE HEARD FROM YOU.

WE HEARD YOUR CRY.

WE, WE HEARD YOUR CONCERNS AND WE'VE HEARD, YOU KNOW, ALL OF YOU WERE IN OPPOSITION OF THIS REZONING.

AND YOU HAVE JUST CAUSE BECAUSE I MYSELF WENT TO THE AREA AND I WAS REALLY, WHEN I WENT TO THE AREA, I WENT DID, I DID THE WHOLE CIRCLE.

I WENT TO GRACIE FARMS, I WENT 43, I WENT IN LAKE TYLER, I WENT TO LANE.

AND I WAS AMAZED AT THE NUMBER OF HOMES THAT'S ALREADY IN THAT AREA.

SO TO BRING 200 MORE HOMES.

AND AS WE DISCUSSED HERE TONIGHT WITH THAT 200 HOMES, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GONNA BE A GREAT INFLUX OF PEOPLE WITH THAT COMES MORE TRAFFIC, MORE TRAFFIC TO AN AREA THAT'S ALREADY CONGESTED.

AND I'M AWARE OF THE ACCIDENTS THAT'S HAPPENED ON 43.

AND I, I, I HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT, AND I'M QUITE SURE THIS BOARD, UH, EVERY ONE OF US UP HERE ARE HOMEOWNERS.

AND I DON'T THINK ONE OF US UP HERE WANT TO SEE A 200 APARTMENT COMPLEX COME IN FRONT OF OUR HOME OR WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY, COME IN FRONT OF OUR COMMUNITY.

UM, I, I JUST, I JUST DON'T WANT THIS AREA TO BECOME INUNDATED WITH MORE APARTMENT BUILDINGS BECAUSE WE ALL ARE AWARE THAT WHEN WE HAVE AN INFLUX OF PEOPLE THERE IS GONNA BRING MORE NOISE TRAFFIC AND LET'S JUST BE REAL ABOUT IT.

VIOLENCE, CRIMES, JUST LIKE IT IS ALL OVER THIS CITY.

I'M NOT JUST PINPOINTING THIS AREA, BUT ALL OVER THIS CITY.

WE HA WE EXPERIENCE THIS ALL OVER THIS CITY.

SO I'M I I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THIS AND I HOPE MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS AGREE WITH ME.

YOU'VE HEARD WHAT OUR CITIZENS ARE AT REQUESTING OF US.

THAT THESE ARE MY CONSTITUENTS.

THEY'RE YOUR CONSTITUENTS AS WELL.

WE SERVE THIS WHOLE CITY.

AND IF MY CONSTITUENTS ONCE IS IN AN OPPOSITION OF THIS REZONING, I HAVE TO GO ALONG WITH THEM.

AND I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, BEFORE I CAST MY VOTE, I'M GONNA VOTE NO ON THIS REZONING.

I JUST WANNA MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT BECAUSE I I DON'T WANT IT TO.

WE HAVE FOUR SENIOR, UH, BOARD MEMBERS HERE, THE MAYOR, DERMAN ASTER, DERMAN, KENZIE, AND MYSELF.

AND THEY ARE ALL AWARE THAT WE HAVE ASKED THE STATE N C D O T CUZ I BROUGHT IT FORTH TO THIS BOARD TO PUT A TRAFFIC LIGHT AT THE ENTRANCE OF LAKE TYLER.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE THAT WE HAVE OVERLOOKED THAT.

BUT TO NO AVAIL.

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NO, WE HAVEN'T.

AND HOWEVER THIS REZONING GOES TONIGHT, THIS IS GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT I KNOW THAT WE AS A BOARD ALL BOARD MEMBERS, WE GONNA ATTACK THAT SITUATION AGAIN BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO GO IN TO COME OUT OF LAKE TYLER BECAUSE I'VE BEEN OVER THERE NUMEROUS TIMES AND I'VE SAID IT TO THIS BOARD NUMEROUS TIMES GOING, COMING OUT OF THAT LAKE TYLER.

AND I CAN IMAGINE THE, THE SUBDIVISIONS ACROSS THE, UM, UM, THE TWO, WE HAVE, UH, TWO COMMUNITY HOME, UM, PARKS THERE IN THE AREA AS WELL AS PLANNERS RIDGE.

SO IT'S REALLY CONGESTED.

AND LIKE I SAID THAT, THAT'S ABOUT ALL I'M GONNA SAY.

I'M GONNA VOTE.

I I GOT MY CONS.

CONSTITUENTS, YOU DON'T WANT THIS REZONING, SO I'M GONNA VOTE.

NO, THAT'S IT.

HONOR MCKENZIE, THE COUNCIL TONIGHT, HAS PRESENTED HIS CASE VERY WELL, VERY IMPRESSED.

ALL THE DOTS AND I'S HAVE BEEN THE DOTS IS THERE T'S HAVE BEEN CROSSED, EVERYTHING HAS BEEN DONE.

BUT THE COMMUNICATION BREAKDOWN FOR THE PEOPLE THAT IS NOT LOOKING FORWARD FOR THE ENCOUNTER OF ALL THE TRAFFIC, NO ONE HAS COMMUNICATED THAT PART.

WE TALKED ABOUT EVERYTHING.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN LEFT OUT WITH THE RESIDENTS.

THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN AND HOW TO APPROACH THAT.

UH, THEY FEEL THAT THEY'VE BEEN LEFT OUT IN THE DARK AND I HAVEN'T HEARD NO ONE MENTION IT.

YOU MENTION IN SO MANY DIFFERENT WORDS THAT AS A STUDY'S GONNA GO ON, WE ARE GONNA DO THIS, WE ARE GONNA DO THAT.

BUT NO ONE HAS COMMUNICATED WITH THEM TO LET 'EM KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH ALL THAT INFLUX THAT'S COMING IN.

I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY NEED TO KNOW.

AND, UH, WHEN DO YOU THINK THAT THAT WILL COME ABOUT? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? ANYONE COULD ANSWER THAT.

THAT'LL BE FINE.

NOT THAT, COULD YOU COME TO SPEAK, COME TO THE MIC PLEASE.

UH, YES.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION.

UH, ALDER MCKENZIE, THAT, THAT ALL OF THAT INFORMATION COMES UP DURING THE SUBSEQUENT PROCESSES.

THIS IS REALLY JUST LOOKING AT WHETHER THIS AREA SHOULD BE REZONED FROM THE ONE DISTRICT TO THE NEXT DISTRICT.

AND IN THAT PROCESS OF THE SPECIAL USE HEARING, THERE WILL BE A TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE THAT LOOKS AT, UH, SPECIFIC PROJECTS FOR WHATEVER USE IS USED.

BUT THIS PROCESS, WHEN YOU REZONE SOMETHING, IT CAN BE USED FOR ANY OF THE PURPOSES THAT'S IN THERE.

I'M HAVING A PROBLEM WITH MYSELF, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE INFLUX.

I, I THINK I'M OKAY IN SAYING THAT THE INTENT IS TO PUT MULTIFAMILY IN THERE.

AND THAT'S WHY ONE OF THE REASONS THEY'RE ASKING FOR THIS, THE NEXT STEP IN THE PROCESS WOULD BE TO ASK FOR THE MAP TO BE AMENDED TO REMOVE THE COMMERCIAL AREAS THAT ARE DESIGNATED ON THE, ON THE BLOOD MAP.

AND THEN THE THIRD STEP WOULD BE TO GO TO THE SPECIAL USE, UM, PROCESS.

AND THAT WILL BE LOOKED AT HEAVILY AND IT IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCEEDING PROCESS WHERE THE PUBLIC HAS THE RIGHT TO COME IN AND ASSUMING THEY HAVE STANDING CAN MAKE STATEMENTS ABOUT WHAT THEY FEEL IS APPROPRIATE.

AND THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT CAN ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, PUT CONDITIONS ON THE, ON THE PROJECT IF THEY WANT TO.

SO, UH, THERE ARE, THAT ALL WILL BE ADDRESSED IN GREAT DETAIL AS THE PROCESS MOVES FORWARD.

BUT HERE THE QUESTION IS, IS THIS A REASONABLE REQUEST, UH, TO BASICALLY REZONING IT TO ALLOW FOR A LITTLE BIT HIGHER DENSITY? IT'S NOT CHANGING THE RESIDENTIAL NATURE OF IT, IT'S STILL RESIDENTIAL AND IT'S NOT CHANGING REALLY ANY OF THE, UH, USES IN IT BECAUSE MULTIFAMILY IS ALLOWED IN R 10 A SAME AS IT WOULD BE IN R EIGHT.

SO AGAIN, THAT, THAT, I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.

IF IT DOESN'T, SO THE INFLUX DOESN'T MATTER IF IT WAS ACTUALLY 3000 PEOPLE THAT LIVED IN THAT COMMUNITY THERE.

SO IT, THE INFLUX WOULDN'T, THAT'S NOT UNDER CONSIDERATION.

I THINK THAT'S THE SITUATION WITH, WITH THE, UH, RESIDENCE THAT THE INFLUX THAT'S COMING IN, I, I, FROM WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE, THE RESIDENCE, IT'S THE INFLUX MORE SO THAN ANYTHING ELSE.

IF, UH, I, I'M HEARING THAT WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO GO HOME OR LEAVE HOME IS VERY DIFFICULT.

IT'S CARS ALREADY NOW PARKING ON THE STREET.

SO WITH THE INFLUX COMING IN, IT'S GOING TO INCREASE MORE.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE, FROM THE RESIDENTS.

SO THAT'S WHAT

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YOU KNOW, THIS GUY SAID HE HAS EXPERIENCE GOING IN, DOING THIS AND DOING THAT, BUT NO ONE NEVER TALKED ABOUT THE INFLUX OF OF THE GROWTH.

THAT THAT IS GONNA OCCUR IN ANY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT AND ESPECIALLY IN A PRE-APPROVED PUD THAT YOU HAVE WHERE IT'S, I MEAN THIS, AGAIN, THIS AREA HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED AS A PUD SINCE BEFORE 2008 AND IT'S HAD THIS FRONT AREA DESIGNATED FOR USES, WHICH INCLUDES MULTIFAMILY USE.

IT'S JUST NOT ALL OF THE AREA THAT'S MULTIFAMILY.

THERE'S COMMERCIAL IN THERE TOO, WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR CONVENIENCE STORES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO THERE IS GONNA BE AN INFLUX NO MATTER, NO MATTER WHAT, UH, CUZ THE OWNER HAS THE RIGHT TO DEVELOP THIS.

THE WHERE THAT IS LOOKED AT THE INFLUX OF, OF MCKENZIE, AGAIN, THE NORTH CAROLINA D O T HAS TO BE CONSULTED ABOUT ANY KIND OF SPECIFIC PLANS AND IF THEY FEEL LIKE THE USE BASED ON THE TRAFFIC COUNTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT, THAT COME UP DURING THAT, THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A TRAFFIC LIGHT, THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE TURNING LANES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THEY CAN REQUIRE THAT, UH, WHEN THE, UH, THE OWNER GOES TO GET, UH, SITE PLAN APPROVALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO THAT IS PART OF THE PROCESS.

IT'S JUST NOT AT THIS STAGE.

I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR.

LIKE ON ELIZABETH AVENUE IN MY DISTRICT, UM, ALL THE WAY BACK TO WEST NEW BERN, THEY HAVE CARS.

WHEN YOU ACTUALLY GO DOWN ELIZABETH AVENUE COMING OFF OF GLEN BURNIE ROAD, ONCE YOU GO OVER RACETRACK ROAD, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO WAIT TO PASS A CAR BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY CARS ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET.

I'M ONLY SPEAKING FROM EXPERIENCE, NOT WHAT I HEARD.

WHAT I SEE EVERY DAY, MY PHONE RINGS OFF THE HOOK.

THEY HAVE DUCKS GOING ACROSS THE HIGHWAY ALL THE TIME.

IT IS, IT'S JUST, UH, A SITUATION THAT I ENCOUNTER EVERY DAY.

AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY I HAVE THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE.

UH, LIKE I SAID, YOU DID EVERYTHING CORRECTLY.

YOU PAT THE RULES ARE IS THERE IN PLACE, BUT IT'S THE INFLUX THAT IS THE PROBLEM.

THAT'S ALL THAT I'M TRYING TO GET UPON ACROSS THERE.

AND, AND, AND, AND THAT'S THEIR CONCERN AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT.

I HAVEN'T HEARD IT ADDRESSED TONIGHT.

THAT'S ALL FROM, FROM MY HEARING.

YOU KNOW, UH, I, UH, LIKE YOU SAY, YOU SAID EARLY ON THAT IT WOULD BE ADDRESSED, BUT IT WASN'T ADDRESSED EARLY ON TO THE RESIDENCE TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING, UH, BASED ON THE INFLUX.

THAT'S JUST MY TAKE.

AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

DER MCKENZIE, THERE IS, THERE WAS A, A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS DONE AT THE TIME THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT CAME UP AND IT ADDRESSED ALL THE TRAFFIC ISSUES AT THAT TIME AND LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL FOR THIS PARTICULAR TRACK TO BE DEVELOPED MM-HMM.

AND I'M PRETTY SURE THAT, UM, AND IT WAS DONE BY A COMPANY CALLED RAMEY AND KENT, WHICH IS A PRETTY PROMINENT, UH, TRAFFIC COMPANY IN NORTH CAROLINA.

AND I'M SURE AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WHETHER WE STAY 10 A OR WE GO TO R EIGHT, EITHER WAY THEY'RE GONNA PROBABLY REQUEST THAT THAT TIA, AS YOU CALL IT, BE UPDATED TO THE CURRENT TRAFFIC SITUATION.

BUT THE, THE, THE RESIDENTS DIDN'T SEEM TO, UH, HAVE ANY UH, UH, UH, KNOWLEDGE OF THAT TONIGHT.

IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.

THEY, THEY, I MEAN, I'M, I'M ONLY SPEAKING WHAT I HEARD.

YOU KNOW, THEY SAY I NEED A HEARING IN SOMETIME, BUT, UH, I TRY TO HEAR THE BEST I CAN, BUT THEY SAID THEY HAD NO KNOWLEDGE OF IT.

BUT YOU SAID IT HAS BEEN RECORDED, RIGHT? I SO IS IT, IS IS IT THAT, CAN YOU GET THEM A COPY OF THAT TO LET THEM SEE? I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE WOULD COMMUNICATE TO THEM AT THIS TIME IN SIR.

IN NOT PREPARED IN AND YOU SAID THAT, UM, YOU SAID THAT IT, THE STUDY HAS BEEN DONE.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID, THAT THAT WAS AT THE TIME THAT THE DEVELOPMENT WAS DONE IN 2008, 2009.

OH, OKAY.

OH, SO THAT'S AN OLD ONE.

YEAH, SO PROBABLY THEN THEY WASN'T EVEN THERE AROUND, THEY PROBABLY WASN'T EVEN LIVING THERE THEN.

THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING THE ZONING CHANGE.

BUT WHEN WE, WHEN THAT STUDY WAS DONE, WHAT YOU SEE ON WHAT'S CALLED THE POD OR THE GENERAL CLAN INCLUDED MULTIFAMILY AND COMMERCIAL OUT ON 43.

NOW SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS ARE PROBABLY GOING TO CHANGE AND THAT TIA WILL HAVE TO BE UPDATED.

BUT RIGHT NOW WE, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT

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SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SHARE WITH ANYBODY AT THIS TIME.

DERMAN STER, I, I JUST REMIND THE AUDIENCE PLEASE KEEP YOUR COMMENTS DOWN AS WE'RE TRYING TO HEAR CLEARLY.

DERMAN, KINZIE, I WOULD JUST, UH, ADD TO WHAT, UH, MR. THOMAS SAID, AND THAT IS THAT AT THIS STAGE, AGAIN, THERE IS NO SITE SPECIFIC PLAN HERE.

AND, AND ONCE A SITE-SPECIFIC PLAN IS DEVELOPED, THEN YOU WILL KNOW I THE MAXIMUM DENSITY IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHERE YOU HAVE POTENTIALLY GOING FROM A HUNDRED AND, UH, I THINK IT WAS 90 TO 220, UH, YOU KNOW, UNITS.

MM-HMM.

THE 220 IS A MAXIMUM NUMBER, BUT WHEN THEY GET IN THERE, THERE ARE SOME WETLANDS ON THIS PROPERTY, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO USE THAT FOR PARKING AREAS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THAT'S GONNA REDUCE THE SIZE AND IT MAY REDUCE THE, THE, UH, THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT CAN, CAN BE PUT ON THERE.

THERE'S JUST NOT THAT KIND OF INFORMATION THAT IS REQUIRED AT THIS STAGE OF THE PROCESS.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S ALL WE'RE TRYING TO COMMUNICATE TO, TO THE BOARD, IS THAT DURING THIS PROCESS, UH, YOU ALL ARE JUST REQUIRED TO CONSIDER WHETHER IT IS REASONABLE FOR THOSE FIVE CRITERIA AND WHETHER IT'S CONSISTENT WITH YOUR LAND USE PLANS.

THERE WAS A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT I UNDERSTAND PUT INTO THOSE LAND USE PLANS.

I UNDERSTAND.

AND, AND THIS AREA IS DESIGNATED AS URBAN TRANSITION, WHICH ALLOWS FOR INTENSE DEVELOPMENT.

SO, AND WE'RE TRYING NOT TO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE DIDN'T COME IN AND ASK FOR A COMMERCIAL C3 TYPE DESIGNATION, WHICH ALLOWS COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.

WE DIDN'T ASK FOR R SIX OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WHICH ALLOW EVEN MORE DENSITY.

YOU JUST ASK FOR THE MINIMUM AMOUNT JUST TO MAKE IT SO THAT THEY CAN PUT TOGETHER A GOOD, NICE PROJECT FOR THE AREA.

SO I HOPE THAT THAT ADDRESSES YOUR QUESTION.

THANK YOU SO KINDLY, ALDERMAN AS HER.

THAT'S RIGHT.

WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, MY QUESTION MIGHT BE DIRECTED TO HIM ANYWAY, SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME UP EITHER I'M OKAY.

I I HAVE A QUESTION.

THE ONLY THING THAT, THAT OUR STATEMENT, THE ONLY THING THAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT IS IN INCREASING THE, UH, NUMBER OF APARTMENTS FROM 207 OVER A HUNDRED NINETY ONE SEVENTY SEVEN TO 2 22, 1 77 TO WHAT? 2 22 MAXIMUM BOTH CASES.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ONLY THING THAT WE'RE CONSIDERED TONIGHT IS GIVING THEM A 40 MORE APARTMENTS.

NO MATTER WHAT WE DO TONIGHT, YOU'RE GONNA TEAR THESE WOODS DOWN AND BUILD AT LEAST 177 APARTMENTS.

THAT'S, THAT'S THE, LET ME, LET ME STEP IN JUST A MINUTE.

THAT IS THE MAXIMUM.

IF EVERY SQUARE INCH OF THAT ACREAGE WAS DEVELOPED, THAT'S THE MAXIMUM THAT COULD BE THERE.

AND IT'S NOT REASONABLE TO THINK THAT, CAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE PARKING, THERE'S GONNA BE ROADS, THERE'S GONNA BE OTHER AMENITIES.

THERE'S WE LANDS THAT CAN'T BE DISTURBED.

SO THIS WHOLE FIGURE THAT KEEPS GETTING BOUNCED AROUND, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT STAFF PUT IT IN THERE AND I UNDERSTAND THE SPIRIT OF IT.

BUT YOU'RE TELLING THEM THAT IF EVERY BIT OF THAT LAND WAS DEVELOPED AND NOW WHAT HAPPENS IN THESE SITUATIONS WHERE EMOTIONS ARE HIGH, PEOPLE ARE LA LATCHING ONTO A 200 FIGURE NUMBER AND NOW WE'RE EXTRAPOLATING THAT WITH THE NUMBER OF CARS THAT'S GONNA BE THERE.

THAT'S NOT THE REALITY.

THE ISSUE HERE IS, AND I'M SORRY TO TAKE THE FLOOR FOR YOU JUST A MINUTE.

NO AHEAD.

THE ISSUE HERE IS IN INFIELD DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S A PROCESS THAT YOU FOLLOW.

THIS IS THE FIRST STEP OF THE PROCESS.

DO I LIKE THE PROCESS? NO, I THINK THE PROCESS NEEDS TO BE DIFFERENT, BUT I DON'T ESTABLISH THAT PROCESS.

I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S SOME MORE PERSONALLY THAT COULD BE SHARED BY THE DEVELOPER.

CAUSE IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE REQUEST, YOU ALREADY HAVE SOME SORT OF IDEA OF WHAT YOU CAN DO NOW BASED OFF OF THE CURRENT ZONING.

AND YOU EVIDENTLY UNDERSTAND THAT YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH THERE TO DEVELOP TO MAKE YOUR NUMBERS CRUNCH.

SO THAT'S WHY YOU'RE ASKING FOR REZONING.

IS THAT A FAIR ASSESSMENT? OKAY.

SO, SO MY POINT NOW, I'M SORRY.

THE PUBLIC HEARING'S CLOSED.

SORRY.

MY POINT IS, IS IF MORE COMMUNICATION WOULD'VE HAPPENED BEFORE WE GET TO THIS POINT, YOU MAY NOT HAVE A COURTROOM FULL OF ANGRY RESIDENTS BECAUSE THE REALITY IS THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO RIGHT NOW WITH THE CURRENT ZONING.

AND I THINK WHAT I WOULD LIKE FOR STAFF TO DO IS MAYBE COME BACK AND REFRESH THE BOARD ON WHAT THEY COULD DO RIGHT NOW.

SO IF THIS ZONING, LET'S SAY IT, IT DOESN'T PASS TONIGHT, WHAT COULD THE DEVELOPER DO AND THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY DO TOMORROW TO START THE PROCESS TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT? WE KEEP HEARING THAT THERE'S COMMERCIAL LINED OUT IN THE POD.

CAN THEY PUT COMMERCIAL ON THE CURRENT ZONING OR WOULD THAT REQUIRE REZONING BECAUSE IT'S BEEN IN THE PUB? THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT.

UM, THANK YOU.

AND I ADDED THOSE NUMBERS BECAUSE I, I FIGURED I'D BE ASKED FOR THEM AND I'M SORRY IF THAT CONFUSED EVERYONE.

THAT'S FINE.

WE UNDERSTAND WHY YOU DID IT.

THE INTENT WAS TO CLARIFY, UH, WE WERE HERE TO TALK ABOUT A DENSITY INCREASE.

UM, YES, THE, THE POD IS VALID THAT THAT PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT

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IS VALID.

IF THEY WANT TO COME IN AND SUBMIT PLANS OUR NEXT SUBMITTAL DAY FOR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW THAT SAY MULTIFAMILY IN THE AREA THAT IS LABELED MULTIFAMILY AND THAT SAYS COMMERCIAL IN THE LABEL AREA COMMERCIAL, WE WOULD TAKE THEM AND WE WOULD START PROCESSING THEM DEPENDING ON WHAT IT WAS.

WOULD, UM, THE APARTMENTS WOULD STILL NEED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

SO THAT REVIEW WOULD LEAD THEM TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT FOR THAT QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING.

THE COMMERCIAL LIKELY WOULDN'T, UM, RIGHT NOW AS IF YOU WERE ZONED, LET'S SAY IT WASN'T A PUT AND THEN THE ZONING JUST STAYED THE SAME, THEY COULD COME IN AND SUBMIT FOR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW THAT MAXIMUM DENSITY, OF COURSE THAT'S GONNA GO DOWN BECAUSE WE NEED PARKING, WE HAVE WETLANDS, WE HAVE ROADS, WE HAVE AMENITIES AND THINGS THAT GO IN THERE.

THAT WAS A VERY, VERY, VERY RAW NUMBER.

IT'S VERY HIGH.

AFTER YOU ADD ALL THOSE THINGS IN, WHICH SURPRISES SOME PEOPLE, WHICH IS PROBABLY WHY DURING THE EVALUATION PROCESS, OUR APPLICANTS SAID ONCE WE GET ALL THIS IN, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE.

AND THEY ASKED FOR THAT REQUEST FOR SOMETHING THAT IS LITERALLY THE SAME ZONING DISTRICT WITH A DIFFERENT DENSITY CALCULATION.

AND, AND ALL, ALL OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE EXPRESSED TONIGHT WOULD ALL HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED IF THE ZONING DIDN'T CHANGE, IF THEY DECIDED TO START DEVELOPING TOMORROW.

CORRECT? ABSOLUTELY.

THE, THE TRAFFIC, THE BUFFER ZONES, UM, THE SCHOOLS, WE HAVE NO PURVIEW OVER THAT.

I, I APPRECIATE THE CONCERN, BUT WE DON'T CONTROL WHETHER OR NOT WE EXPAND ZONING BASED OFF SCHOOL.

WE EXPAND THE ZONING.

IF THERE'S MORE PEOPLE THAT COME HERE, THAT'S A COUNTY FUNCTION THAT THEY HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR.

UM, AND, AND THE TRAFFIC, AND I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR BECAUSE THE, THE ZONING PROCESS GETS VERY OUT OF WHACK AT TIMES TO, TO USE, UM, SOME FRANK TERMS BECAUSE WE START TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE OTHER CONCERNS, WHICH THEY'RE ALL VALID.

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF 'EM IS A VALID CONCERN.

BUT TONIGHT, WHEN WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE'RE NOT BEING ASKED, IS THIS REZONING GOING TO MAKE TRAFFIC WORSE? IS IT GOING TO INCREASE NOISE? WE'RE ASKED, IS THIS ZONING CONSISTENT WITH OUR LAND USE PLAN? IT'S MORE OF A TECHNICAL TYPE HEARING THAN A POLITICAL HEARING.

BUT I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT POLITICS COME INTO PLAY WITH IT.

THAT'S THE REASON IT'S BEFORE THIS BOARD TO MAKE A DECISION.

AND THAT THE UNANIMOUS DECISION BY PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD DOESN'T ACTUALLY MAKE THAT AUTHORITY.

WE DO.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S DONE TO BRING IN THE POLITICS WITH IT.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT FACT.

BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT'S BEEN SAID TONIGHT THAT COULD CERTAINLY HAPPEN TOMORROW IF THESE FOLKS DON'T GET THEIR REZONING.

THEY DECIDE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WORK WITH THE CURRENT ZONING.

WE'LL SEE YOU IN YOUR OFFICE TOMORROW, GET READY.

CAUSE WE'RE GONNA BUILD THE MOST NUMBER OF APARTMENTS THAT WE CAN BUILD OR WHATEVER OTHER, UH, IS ALLOWED BY THE FLOOD THAT THEY'VE ALREADY HAD IN PLACE.

COULD I FINISH YOU UP OR YOU HEY, .

UM, I, I JUST HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.

IS, WHAT'S THE SPEED LIMIT ON THAT ROAD? IS IT 45? IT IT IS 50.

IT IS RIGHT IN A TRANSITION AREA FROM 55 COUNTY AND IT TURNS TO 45 ABOUT WHERE THE CITY LINE IS ON 43.

IT 30%, 40%? I HAVE SEEN, DEPENDING ON WHAT KIND OF AMENITIES ARE REQUIRED AND WHAT KIND OF BUFFERS ARE REQUIRED BECAUSE EVERY, EVERY JURISDICTION HAS THEIR OWN REQUIREMENTS.

AND IT'S ALL, SO IT IS A TRANSITION.

ITS ALL STATE ROADS, ALL STATE ROAD, ANY OF THAT.

SO YOU SAID COUNTY, SO THAT'S PEACH GROVE.

EXCUSE ME MA'AM.

HOLD ON.

WHY CAN'T WE PETITION THE STATE TO LOWER THE SPEED LIMIT ON THAT ROAD WHERE IT PASSES THESE DEVELOPMENTS TO TRY TO HELP WITH THE SPEEDING, UH, OUT THERE AND POSSIBLY HELP WITH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE CAR ACCIDENTS WITH PEOPLE PULLING OUT IN FRONT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TOO FAST.

YOU, AND MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOK LOWERING IT 35 DURING, THROUGH THAT AREA.

WE CERTAINLY, WE JUST HAD, WE JUST HAD A SPEED LIMIT CHANGE TO 50.

WE GOING 55, RIGHT? NO, NO, NO.

ON 43, 3 TO 50 IT WAS CHANGED TO 50.

I WANTED IT LOWERED TO 45, BUT THE STATE WOULD NOT LOWER TO 45.

THEY, THEY SAID IT AT 50.

IF I JUST, I DROVE UP THOUGHT OKAY, REAL, MAYBE THEY HADN'T.

THAT'S JESSICA.

IF, IF YOU CAN, UM, JUST BASED ON YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND THIS QUESTION, YOU KNOW, IS, IS OPEN TO MR. LOUGHLIN, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, UM, ADD ANYTHING TO THIS OR THE GENTLEMAN WHO, UH, SPOKE ON BEHALF OF STARS AT STRIPES.

JUST IN YOUR EXPERIENCE WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH DEVELOPMENTS, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE DEVELOPED PROPERTY ENDS UP BEING ROADWAYS, PARKING, OPEN SPACE, WETLANDS AND I, REAL LIFE? THERE ARE A LOT OF FACTORS THERE.

I'M NOT LOOKING FOR EXACT, I MEAN IS IT 20% GENERALLY? IS

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PLUS WE'VE GOT THOSE WETLANDS, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE AN, UH, A CURRENT DELINEATION OF SHOWING US WHAT THAT IS.

SO THAT ALWAYS MAKES AN IMPACT IN THIS AREA OF THE STATE.

I SAY YOU CAN DEVELOP BETWEEN 50 AND 70% OF IT.

SAY THAT AGAIN.

BETWEEN 50 AND 70% OF IT IS WHAT CAN BE DEVELOPED OR THAT'S THE AMOUNT OF SPACE USED UP BODY.

IT'S GONNA BE DIFFERENT EVERY TIME.

AND I FEEL A LITTLE BIT ON THE SPOT ANSWERING THAT, UM, NOT BEING COMPLETELY, UM, FAMILIAR WITH DIFFERENT PROPERTIES.

WE MAY BE SAYING THIS, THAT THEY'RE NOT ALL GOING TO BE THE SAME.

NO, AND, AND THAT'S FINE.

I, I UNDERSTAND IT'S A TOUGH QUESTION TO TRY TO ANSWER THE, THE GENTLEMAN WITH THE BEARD, YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF EXPERIENCE.

YOU ACKNOW YOU HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE AROUND THE COUNTRY.

60 OR 70%, SIR.

OF, OF BILL.

SO 30% TO 40% SENTENCE FOUR SET ACTUAL AREAS, LIKE SHE SAID, ENVIRONMENTAL STUFF ABOUT LENS, THINGS THAT NATURE.

BASIC.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

WITH APARTMENT BUILDINGS.

SO 30 TO 40% OF THE 20 ACRES IS NOT GOING TO BE BUILT OUT, UM, WITH APARTMENT COMP.

AND THIS GOES BACK TO WHAT THE, THE MAYOR WAS TALKING ABOUT IS THAT THE NUMBERS THAT ARE BEING QUOTED HERE TONIGHT, YOU CAN'T USE THOSE NUMBERS, DECREASE THOSE NUMBERS BY 30 TO 40%.

SO THE HIGH NUMBER OF 222 UNITS IS, LET'S SEE, 22, 44, 66, 88.

SO DECREASE THAT NUMBER BY 66 TO 88 UNITS.

NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WILL PROBABLY END UP BEING BUILT THERE IF THEY GET APPROVAL FOR AN R EIGHT ZONE.

EXCUSE ME, THE BOARDS JUST DELIBERATING.

I MEAN, IS THAT ACCURATE OR AM I MISSTATING? I I WOULD SAY THAT'S PROBABLY ABOUT ACCURATE.

SO ALL I'M SUGGESTING TO YOU IS DON'T GET LOCKED IN ON THE, THE NUMBERS BECAUSE THE NUMBERS ARE NOT WHAT THE REALITY IS.

SO IT COULD GO ANYWHERE FROM MAYBE A HUNDRED UNITS TO SOMEWHERE 150, 160 UNITS, NOT 1 77 TO 2 22.

UM, THAT, THAT WAS THE POINT I WANT TO TRY TO MAKE QUESTION REALLY FOR THE DEVELOPER OR ANY OF THE REPRESENTATIVES YOU CAME INTO THE PICTURE, IF I UNDERSTOOD IT, AROUND 2008.

IS THAT ACCURATE? THE, THE POD WAS APPROVED PRIOR TO THE CURRENT OWNER.

UH, THEY CAME INTO POSSESSION OF THE PROPERTY IN 2016.

OH, SO STARS AND STRIPES CORRECT.

ONLY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IN 2018.

SO MY QUESTION IS, IF ANYBODY CAN ANSWER IT, WHY NOW VERSUS 2016 IN TERMS OF MAKING THIS REQUEST? ANOTHER GREAT QUESTION.

WELL, I THINK THEY HAD, UH, SOME THINGS THAT THEY NEEDED TO ADDRESS WITH THE SUBDIVISION FIRST BECAUSE WHEN THEY CAME IN AND PURCHASED IT, THE SUBDIVISION WAS NOT, UH, THERE WAS NOT A LOT OF HOMES THAT WERE IN EXISTING IN THE SUBDIVISION.

SO THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE SUBDIVISION PART OF IT AND NOW THEY'RE WORKING ON THE OUTER, UH, EDGE OF IT, WHICH IS THAT FRONT AREA THERE.

BUT I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S THE TIMING DIFFERENCE IS WHY THEY DIDN'T COME IN AND DO THE FRONT AREA FIRST.

THEY WANTED TO GET THE HOUSING AREA IN THE, UH, THE SUBDIVISION, UH, GOING AND, AND BUILT OUT.

BEING BUILT OUT ADJACENT TO WHERE THEIR HOMES ARE.

AND, AND THAT'S A REASONABLE ANSWER.

UM, ALTHOUGH IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THE REQUEST FOR A ZONE CHANGE CHANGING FROM OUR 10 A TO R EIGHT WOULD BE MORE PALATABLE WHEN YOU HAVE FEWER RESIDENTS IN THE DEVELOPMENT.

PROBABLY WOULD'VE BEEN A MUCH EASIER SELL IN 2016 THAN IT IS IN 2002 THREE WHEN YOU HAVE A LOT MORE HOMES IN THE DEVELOPMENT, A LOT MORE RESIDENTS WHO NOW HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT HIGHER DENSITY HOUSING

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SO JUST, JUST CURIOUS.

I MEAN THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT KIND OF THOUGHTS THAT, THAT GO INTO THAT, AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHY NOW VERSUS THEM A GENERAL QUESTION.

UM, AND I DON'T KNOW WHO CAN ANSWER THAT.

CITY ATTORNEY MAY BE CITY MANAGER MIGHT BE ABLE TO STAFF OR EVEN THE DEVELOPER, UM, WHAT ARE THE THRESHOLDS THAT HAVE TO BE MET TO GET A TRAFFIC LIGHT ON A HIGHWAY LIKE THIS? THERE HAVE TO BE SOME VERY SPECIFIC THRESHOLDS THAT HAVE TO BE MET IN ORDER FOR, I'VE GOT A TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES TO BE INSTALLED.

UM, THE, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE IN 2008 OR WHATEVER THAT YEAR WAS, IS ABOUT THAT THICK.

AND I DON'T RECALL EXACTLY WHAT'S IN IT CAUSE I HAVEN'T READ IT IN A WHILE, BUT I'M SURE THERE WAS SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE ABOUT THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT MAY TRIGGER WITH D O T FOR SOMEBODY TO PUT A TRAFFIC LIGHT IN.

SO WHEN WE UPDATE THIS TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, I'M SURE THAT'S GONNA BE ADDRESSED IN THAT DOCUMENT.

AND TYPICALLY WHAT'S IN THOSE DOCUMENTS IS WHAT IS ENFORCED.

SO WELL, OKAY, BUT THAT DOESN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION I'M ASKING FOR.

THERE, THERE HAVE TO BE SOME VERY SPECIFIC THRESHOLDS THAT HAVE TO BE MET IN ORDER FOR A, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES AND, AND ROAD IMPROVEMENTS TO BE IMPLEMENTED TO BE REQUIRED AS PART OF A DEVELOPMENT.

BUT WE'RE NOT HEARING WHAT THOSE ARE.

WELL, I I'M NOT A TRAFFIC PERSON, SO I CAN'T ADDRESS THAT, BUT THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS CAN, AND NC D O T ARE THE ONES WHO ARE, HAVE THE EXPERTISE TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.

AND IT'S NOT SOMEBODY JUST GOING OUT AND LOOKING AND WRITING IT DOWN.

THEY'VE GOT THESE TRAFFIC MODELS, COMPUTER MODELS AND ALL THAT STUFF THAT THEY RUN TO DETERMINE WHAT THEY NEED THERE, IF ANYTHING.

AND ALSO THEY HAVE CRITERIA THAT D O T ESTABLISHES THAT THEY HAVE TO MEET WHEN THEY SET THESE MODELS UP.

WHEN THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS IS DONE IN DRAFT FORM, THERE'S A MEETING WITH D O T WITHIN THE REVIEW AND THEY'RE BACK AND FORTH MASSAGING THAT OUT OF THAT REPORT.

I'M SURE THERE'LL BECOME, COME SOME LANGUAGE ABOUT TRAFFIC CENTERS BEING THERE.

IF NOT, THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO BEYOND THAT UNLESS THE CITY CAN PUSH IT TO GET ONE THERE.

BEST.

I APPRECIATE IT.

CAN ATTORNEY DAVIS, CAN YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION? NO, MA'AM.

IT VARIES BY PROJECT AS, AS, UH, MR. THOMAS WAS SAYING IT, IT'S NOT AS LINEAR AS, UM, REACHING 4,000 TRIPS PER DAY TRIGGERS A SIGNAL.

IT, IT'S NOT LINEAR.

IT, IT'S A FUNCTION OF A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

UM, TIME OF DAY.

AND THAT'S WHY THESE EXPERTS HAVE TO COME IN AND THEY MODEL THE WHOLE THING.

UM, AND THEN D O T COMES TO THE CONCLUSION, BUT IT IS THOUSANDS OF TRIPS PER DAY.

IT HAS TO BE DONE BY, BY THE STATE NC D O T.

WELL, THEY, A, A, A A SPECIALIST IN TRAFFIC STUDIES WILL BE HIRED THROUGH THE STATE.

NO MA'AM.

THROUGH THE DEVELOPER PAYS FOR THAT.

AND, AND THEN, THEN IT GOES TO THE STATE FOR REVIEW.

AND D O T MAKES THE DECISION.

THAT CAN BE BUILT IN AN R EIGHT ZONE.

UH, AND A QUESTION FOR, UH, OUR ATTORNEY, AND I'M PRETTY SURE I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT LET ME ASK IT ANYWAY.

UM, IN THE DECISION THAT WE ARE BEING HEARD THAT'S PUT BEFORE US THIS EVENING, UH, WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO IMPOSE ANY KIND OF CONDITIONS ON THAT AT ALL.

NO, SIR.

GOOD, GOOD QUESTION.

ALTHOUGH, AS I HAVE ALWAYS ADVISED YOU, AND IT'S BEEN STATED HERE A NUMBER OF TIMES, AND I I'M GONNA TRY TO SAY IT CLEARLY AND SIMPLY, WHEN YOU ARE CONSIDERING A REZONING, EVERYONE WANTS TO KNOW WHAT'S THE PROJECT? WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO IF WE REZONE THAT, IT'S A LOGICAL, FAIR QUESTION.

WHAT I ALWAYS COME BACK WITH IS TO ASSUME THE MOST BURDENSOME USE ALLOWED IN THE ZONE.

IF A PERSON COMES BEFORE YOU IN A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT PROPOSING TO BUILD A FLORIST, THAT'S ALL GREAT.

WE LOVE FLOWERS, WE LIKE FLORISTS, BUT A CONVENIENCE STORE MAY ALSO BE A USE ON THAT EXACT SPOT WHEN YOU REZONE IT.

SO YOUR OBLIGATION IS TO CONSIDER THE MOST BURDENSOME USE AND ASK YOURSELVES, IS THAT REASONABLE? SO THAT'S WHY THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT HAS BEEN ON MULTIFAMILY.

THAT IS THE MOST BURDENSOME USE

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IF THE DEVELOPER WERE TO OFFER, UM, COMMIT TO MAKING CERTAIN IMPROVEMENTS, CAN THEY DO THAT IN THIS SETTING? NO, SIR.

THIS, THIS IS PURELY, WE'RE WE'RE REALLY UP THERE AT 50,000 FEET.

WE'RE JUST BIG PICTURE.

IS THERE REZONING CONSISTENT? RIGHT? IS IT REASONABLE AND CONSISTENT WITH CITY PLANS? THAT'S IT.

ALL THE OTHER METRICS FOLLOW THEREAFTER.

BUT AT NO POINT, JUST, JUST TO GET AHEAD OF WHAT YOU MIGHT BE THINKING, THERE'S NO VERSION BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE CONDITIONAL ZONE.

THERE'S NO VERSION.

WE, ARE WE GONNA SIGN A CONTRACT WITH THE DEVELOPER AND LAY OUT EXACTLY PRECISELY WHAT CAN BE DONE.

WE HAVE A LAND USE ORDINANCE AND ALL PROJECTS MUST COMPLY WITH THE LAND USE ORDINANCE.

WITH RESPECT TO MULTIFAMILY.

WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL CHECK AND BALANCE, AND THAT IS THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WHERE THE DEVELOPER HAS THE BURDEN OF PRESENTING FACTS AND EXPERTS TO SATISFY THE HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUES, THE TRAFFIC ISSUES, ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'RE HEARING ABOUT.

AND THE PUBLIC AND OTHERS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHALLENGE THOSE EXPERTS AND ASK ALL THE QUESTIONS.

AND IF AT THE END, THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT DETERMINES THAT CONDITIONS NEED TO BE IMPOSED TO SATISFY REASONABLE OBJECTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED, THEN THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO IMPOSE CONDITIONS, NOT CONDITIONS THAT YOU CAN'T BUILD AN APARTMENT COMPLEX OR NOT THAT YOU MUST LIMIT IT TO THREE APARTMENTS, BUT REASONABLE CONDITIONS THAT TYPICALLY DEAL WITH TRAFFIC, SCREENING NOISE AND LIGHT.

DERMAN.

ROY, ARE YOU, OH, WELL, JUST ONE OF A FOLLOW UP QUESTION.

UM, OUR PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED, I THINK IT WAS UNANIMOUSLY THAT THE REQUEST BEING MADE BY THE APPLICANT WAS REASONABLE.

AND WHAT'S THE OTHER WORD I'M FORGETTING? UH, CONSISTENT WITH CITY PLANS, CONSISTENT WITH ALL THE CITY PLANS.

IT, IT WAS REASONABLE.

UM, A MAJORITY OF THIS BOARD MIGHT DECIDE OTHERWISE SURE.

AND, AND SAY THAT NO, IT'S NOT A REASONABLE REQUEST.

UM, IS THERE ANY RECOURSE FOR THE DEVELOPER AT THAT POINT? VERY, VERY HARD TO OVERCOME YOUR DECISION.

YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE NO LEGAL, I SAID IN REVERSE YOU HAVE NO LEGAL OBLIGATION TO CHANGE A ZONE.

COUPLE THINGS THAT MS. RU, UH, STATED.

ALLMAN ROYAL TO THE RESIDENTS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT AND EXPRESSING YOURSELVES.

I CONTINUE TO SAY THAT EVERY VOICE HAS VALUE.

MR. JOHNSON, I BELIEVE, IF I HAVE YOUR NAME CORRECTLY, MADE MENTION THAT THE BOARD SHOULD FOCUS ON THE LAND USE, THAT THAT SHOULD BE OUR FOCUS.

HE TALKED ABOUT THE TIME THAT HAS GONE INTO, UH, COMPILING THIS ORDINANCE FOR LAND USE.

AND HE ALSO SAID THAT, UH, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF INVESTMENT.

WHAT HE FAILED TO SAY WAS, WAS TO TALK ABOUT YOUR INVESTMENT, WHAT YOU HAVE IN INVESTED IN, UH, A LIFETIME.

SOME OF YOU TALKED ABOUT MIGRATING TO THIS AREA.

SOME OF US WERE BORN HERE, SOME OF US HAVE BEEN HERE A LIFETIME, WHATEVER THE CASE MIGHT BE.

BUT OUR FOCUS TONIGHT SHOULD BE ON RESIDENCE.

THEY ARE THE ONES THAT WE SHOULD HAVE OUR CONCERN WITH.

YES, WE HAVE A LAND USE ORDINANCE.

YES, WE RESPECT THAT, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO RESPECT THE VOICE OF THE RESIDENTS.

I CONCUR WITH EVERY ONE OF YOU.

I WOULD NOT WANT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX IN FRONT OF MY $350, $350,000 HOME.

NO ONE WOULD WANT THAT.

NO ONE ON THIS BOARD WOULD WANT THAT AS ALDERMAN BEST SO WELL POINTED OUT.

SO AGAIN, TO BE VERY, VERY BRIEF, I CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE YOU THAT NO MATTER WHAT THE OUTCOME OF THIS BOARD DECISION MIGHT BE TONIGHT, FOLLOW THE PROCESS.

DON'T BE WEARY IN YOUR WELL DOING.

YOU STICK TO IT, YOU FOLLOW IT WHEREVER IT LEADS YOU, YOU SPEAK YOUR VOICE.

YOUR VOICE HAS VALUE.

IT IS YOUR COMMUNITY, YOUR INVESTMENT, YOUR LIFETIME.

UH, YOU MAKE SURE THAT YOUR VOICE HAS VALUE.

I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ALSO I OPPOSE THE REZONING ALDERMAN BRINSON, I'LL, I'LL JUST MAKE A COMMENT, UH, HIGHLIGHT A

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UH, I ASKED HER FOR THE APPROVED POD, AND I HAVE THAT HERE IN HARD COPY IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SEE IT DISPLAYED.

BUT, UH, EVERYTHING THAT THE WARDEN SMITH ATTORNEY STATED, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING AND THE CURRENT, UH, POD, UH, MS. RU CONFIRMED THAT THERE ARE TWO MULTI MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS ALREADY ON THE POD.

SO I DO WANT TO BE CLEAR, UH, SO THAT OUR CONSTITUENTS ARE NOT MISINFORMED, THAT, UH, THEY COULD ALREADY UNDER CURRENT ZONING ASK FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR APARTMENTS.

SO, UH, IT'S THE DECISION TONIGHT IS NOT WHETHER OR NOT TO HAVE AN APARTMENT DID THEY ALREADY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE THAT REQUEST OF THE, UH, OF THE, UH, BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT UNDER A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

SO, UH, I JUST DON'T WANT OUR CONSTITUENTS TO BE MISINFORMED.

UH, AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

ANYONE ELSE? I A QUICK QUESTION, SCOTT.

OUR, UM, OUR ONLY OBLIGATION, OR OUR ONLY DUTY TONIGHT IS TO VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE IS OR IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH OUR PLANNING.

WELL, OR SOMETHING.

A AS PART OF YOUR REZONING, YOU WILL FIND YOU, YOU WILL, AS PART OF YOUR MOTION TO, TO APPROVE OR DENY THE ZONING, YOU WILL FIND THAT IT IS CONSISTENT OR INCONSISTENT WITH PLAN WITH YOUR CITY PLANS.

OKAY? SO MAYOR, IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS, I, I JUST, I I GOT ONE COMMENT I WANNA MAKE.

UM, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS AREA, IT'S R 10 A FROM CORNER TO CORNER.

CURRENTLY, IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THE ADJACENT ZONING THAT TOUCHES THAT, BY WAY OF A STREET THAT DISSECTS IT.

IT'S A FIVE, IT'S R 20 AND IT'S R SIX AND IT'S ALMOST C3 IT LOOKS LIKE.

SO, UM, JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE TECHNICAL ASPECT, NOT THE POLITICAL ASPECT, THE TECHNICAL ASPECT OF WHETHER OR NOT THIS FITS IN WITH OUR LAND USE ORDINANCE.

I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.

SO GO AHEAD.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE, UM, WE'RE SPEAKING ON TONIGHT ABOUT THIS, UM, REZONING, BUT I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO NOT ADOPT AN ORDINANCE TO REZONE PROPERTIES ON WASHINGTON POST ROAD.

IDENTIFY THIS TAX PARCEL 8 2 2 3 0 0 3 AND 8 2 2 3 0 0 4 FROM R 10 A TO R EIGHT.

I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO DENY THE ZONING REQUEST.

AND, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, MAYOR, UM, AND AS PART OF THAT YOU'RE FINDING IS THAT IT'S INCONSISTENT WITH CITY PLANS AND IT'S, WELL, IT'S INCONSISTENT WITH CITY PLANS.

ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT AMENDMENT? I AM.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL STARTING WITH ALDERMAN ROYAL.

ALDERMAN ROYAL TO NOT ADULT, NOT REZONED.

YES TO YES.

TO DENY YES TO DENY .

ALDERMAN ASTOR? NO.

ALDERMAN KENZIE? YES.

TO DENY ALDERMAN BEST? YES.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

SO THE MOTION WAS DENIED.

MAYOR, CAN WE ASK FOR BREAK? GO RIGHT AHEAD.

UM, BOARD, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A RECESS FOR MAYBE 10 MINUTES.

I HAVE A MOTION.

TAKE A RECESS FOR 10 MINUTES.

WE'RE IN RECESS.

NUMBER 11, UH, WHICH IS THANKFULLY ANOTHER REZONING.

WELCOME BACK EVERYONE.

WE ARE GOING TO PROCEED.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM

[11. Conduct a Public Hearing and Consider Adopting an Ordinance to Rezone 3208 Oaks Road (Tax Parcel ID 8-031 -A-032)]

UH, IT IS TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ADOPTING AN ORDINANCE TO REZONE 32 0 8 OAKS ROAD, WHICH IS TAX PARCEL ID 8 0 3 1 A 0 3 2.

AND MS. RUE IS BACK.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR

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THE INTRODUCTION.

AGAIN.

THIS IS A REQUEST TO GO FROM R 10 TO C4.

OUR APPLICANT HERE IS JASON SANDERSON ON BEHALF OF THE NORTH CAROLINA CONFERENCE OF PENTECOSTAL HOLINESS CHURCH.

AS THE OWNER, THIS IS ONE PARCEL THAT'S SLIGHTLY UNDER AN ACRE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF OAKS ROAD HERE.

IT'S INTERSECTION OF FIRST AVENUE.

IT IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED AND BEING USED OR WAS BEING USED AS A CHURCH OR A PLACE OF ASSEMBLY UTILITY SERVICES AVAILABLE TO THE PROPERTY.

AND IT IS SERVED BY THE ELIZABETH AVENUE FIRE STATION.

NOTABLE PROPERTY FEATURES IN THIS CASE, THERE'S NO BLUE LINE STREAMS. THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED, ALTHOUGH IT IS IN AN A FLOOD ZONE.

THOSE ARE FROM THE STATE FIRM MAPS.

UM, WE, THE CITY OF BERN DOES NOT CREATE FLOOD MAPS JUST FOR EVERYONE'S KNOWLEDGE.

UM, AND SO IF YOU WERE TO RENOVATE, UH, A, A STRUCTURE THAT EXISTS IN THE FLOOD ZONE ALREADY, YOU WOULD BEYOND 50% OF THE ASSESSED VALUE, YOU WOULD NEED TO BRING IT UP TO ALL FLOOD CODES, WHICH TYPICALLY MEANS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ELEVATED.

JUST SHARING.

UM, THIS IS OUR ZONING MAP YOU'LL SEE HERE.

UM, ALTHOUGH IT IS A SMALL PARCEL, YOU LOOK UP AT THIS MAP, IT'S LIKE RAGU, EVERYTHING'S IN THERE.

THERE'S ALL KINDS OF ZONING DISTRICTS.

MANY OF THEM ON THIS MAP, FAR MORE INTENSE THAN THE C4 THAT'S BEING REQUESTED.

UM, THE PLAIN BOARD IN ZONING BOARD CONSIDERED THAT WHEN RECOMMENDING THIS TO YOU.

IN OUR 10, OUR MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS 10,000 SQUARE FEET, PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.

AND THE C4 IS KIND OF OUR LOWER INTENSITY NEIGHBORHOOD.

BUSINESS DISTRICT MINIMUM LOT SIZE WOULD BE 5,000 SQUARE FEET.

UH, PRINCIPLE USE, AGAIN UP ON THE SCREEN FOR YOU.

TYPES OF PERMITTED USES IN C4 AS OUR ATTORNEY, UH, JUST RECENTLY STATED, WE NEED TO CONSIDER ALL THE USES THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE USED, ALTHOUGH IT'S A CHURCH AND IT WAS SHARED AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD WHAT THE, UM, INTENDED CHANGE WOULD BE.

THESE ARE ALL OF THE USES WE NEED TO CONSIDER ON THAT PARCEL.

OUR 2010 LAND USE PLAN CLASSIFIES AS THAT'S DEVELOPED.

UM, THAT'S NOT VERY IN DETAILED DESCRIPTION, UNFORTUNATELY.

THAT IS WHAT THE LAND USE PLAN, UM, DESCRIBES IT AS.

AND SO IT, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING THAT DOESN'T SUPPORT THE REQUESTED CHANGE.

AND OUR PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD DID EVALUATE THE PROPERTY.

THEY FELT IT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE 2010 LAND USE PLAN.

THIS AREA OF THE CITY WAS NOT ADDRESSED IN THE 2022 LAND USE PLAN UPDATE.

IT WAS GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER OF ADJACENT LAND USES AND ZONING DISTRICTS.

AGAIN, WE SAW THAT THIS AREA WAS FULL OF ALL KINDS OF ZONING DISTRICTS.

UM, ANY PROPOSED CHANGES OF THE PROPERTY WOULD REQUIRE THAT SITE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS THAT WE DESCRIBED EARLIER BE FOLLOWED, UM, TO, TO GO TO ANOTHER COMMERCIAL USE.

AND THEY DID RECOMMEND THAT, UH, EVEN IT WAS UNANIMOUS TO RECOMMEND THE PROPOSED REZONING REQUEST.

AND THAT IS ON THE SCREEN.

OH, THAT CONCLUDES MY STAFF REPORT.

OH, SORRY.

I WAS, I WAS WAITING FOR THE NEXT SLIDE.

I SMILED AT YOU.

I THOUGHT WE HAD THAT.

OH, I WAS, SORRY.

I WAS LOOKING DOWN.

UH, BOARD, HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE WE OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING.

JUST, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS PROPERTY'S FOR SALE.

UH, YES.

SO ANY IN, I GUESS, WE'LL NORTH CAROLINA STATE LAW, ANYONE CAN REQUEST A CHANGE IN A ZONING CLASSIFICATION TO THE BODY THAT MAKES THAT DECISION.

IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE AN OWNER.

IT CAN BE ANYONE.

WANTS TO CONVERT IT TO ZONING FOR A FUNERAL HOME.

ANOTHER QUESTION.

YOU SAID THE INTENDED USE HAS BEEN STATED? YEAH, SO THE APPLICANT DECIDED TO SHARE THAT WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD AGAIN, UM, THERE'S TWO TYPES OF ZONING.

ONE IS CONDITIONAL ZONING WHERE WE CAN DISCUSS A SPECIFIC USE OF A PROPERTY.

ANOTHER IS WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TONIGHT, WHICH IS YOUR TRADITIONAL REZONING WHERE YOU NEED TO CONSIDER ALL OF THE USES, WHICH ARE, UM, SUMMARIZED UP ON THE SCREEN.

AND IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WHAT HE WOULD INTEND TO DO, HE IS WELCOME TO DO SO, WHEN UH, THE OPPORTUNITY COMES TIME TO SPEAK.

THANK SPEAK.

ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.

AT THIS TIME I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE PROJECT CAN COME FORWARD, SPEAK AGAINST.

UM, IT'S CURRENTLY AT A CHURCH AND MY BUYER HAS BOUGHT IT IN,

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UH, HE'S A LOCAL FUNERAL GUY, GOOD GENTLEMAN.

HE USES ME AS A MINISTRY.

HE SAYS ABOUT 65% OF THE FUNERALS NOW ARE CRE CREMATIONS.

SO CREMATIONS WILL, WILL NOT BE DONE AT THAT FACILITY.

IT'LL BE SHIPPED OFF TO GOLDSBORO FOR THE CREMATION PROCESS, ET CETERA.

SO, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THEY'LL HAVE, YOU KNOW, A FEW CARS, SMALL FUNERALS, A LITTLE BIT LARGER FUNERALS, JUST LIKE A CHURCH, DEPENDS ON WHAT SUNDAY PEOPLE COME OUT AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO IT'S PRETTY KIND OF THE SAME USAGE.

YOU KNOW, UH, HE'S GONNA DO A LIGHT REHAB ON THE CHURCH CAUSE IT'S DATED NEW CARPET, ADD A BATHROOM, HANDICAPPED BATHROOM, UM, YOU KNOW, FIX THE PARKING LOT, NEWER WINDOWS PAINTING OUTSIDE OF THE BRICK.

JUST KIND OF BRING UP SOME UPDATING OF THE CHURCH RIGHT NOW.

SO OTHER THAN THAT, I MEAN, NOT MUCH OTHER DIFFERENCE THAN A CHURCH AS FAR AS PROBABLY TRAFFIC OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

SO, ANY QUESTIONS Y'ALL MIGHT HAVE, YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO, SINCE IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING.

BUT IF YOU WANNA SHARE YOUR NAME AND, OH, MY NAME IS JASON SANDERSON.

I'M A LOCAL REAL ESTATE AGENT AND I TRY NOT TO LIE.

AS THE OTHER LADY SAID, , I GO A REAL ESTATE JAIL.

BUT, UH, YES, I'M, UH, JUST KIND OF PRESENTING FOR HIM CAUSE HE'S A WELL KNOWN LOCAL OF GUIDE.

HE JUST KIND OF WANTS TO STAY ON THE DOWNLOAD.

SO, SO IS IT THE SALE CONTINGENT UPON LET'S, UNTIL WE GET INTO THE BACK AND FORTH, LET'S CONTINUE WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING.

CAUSE I'M SURE THERE'S PROBABLY SOME OTHER FOLKS THAT MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY.

IT HAS TO BE REZONED IN ORDER TO RUN IT AS A BUSINESS.

SO IT BECOMES FROM A TAX EXEMPT PROPERTY TO A TAX PAYING PROPERTY AS WELL.

OH, YOU'RE WELCOME.

NEXT FIRST THING I WANNA SAY IS, ALTHOUGH IF THIS WERE A CONDITIONAL REZONING, WHICH I BELIEVE IS QUITE POSSIBLE, OKAY, BECAUSE THE TRUTH IS, AND I SENT YOU GUYS GOT DOCUMENTATION, THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA IN CITIES ARE SIZE AND LARGER.

78% OF ALL REZONINGS ARE CONDITIONAL.

AND I WENT THROUGH THE ENTIRE CITY CODE AND THE WORD CONDITIONAL ZONING DOES NOT APPEAR.

SO IT'S NOT ACTUALLY ILLEGAL.

NOW, OF COURSE IT WOULD BE UP TO THE ATTORNEY TO TELL YOU GUYS WHETHER YOU SHOULD REVISE THAT TO INCLUDE THAT OR NOT, BUT I'M TELLING YOU THROUGHOUT THE STATE, THAT'S THE WAY IT'S DONE.

THE INFORMATION I SENT YOU, BY THE WAY, WAS THROUGH THE, UM, UM, WAS DONE BY THE SCHOOL OF GOVERNMENT AT CHAPEL HILL.

AND YOU SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN THAT ANOTHER CITY COURT DISTRIBUTED SOMEONE.

WE, WE, I SUBMITTED THAT UNDER BECAUSE UNDER THE CITY COURT HIM ALLOWED TO DO THAT, TO SUBMIT SOMETHING TO YOU GUYS.

I, AND IT WAS RECEIPT.

SO, UM, AND I KNOW BRENDA DID IT CAUSE SHE TOLD .

SO THAT'S THAT PART.

UM, IN ADDITION, DON'T FORGET, WE HAD A, UH, FIASCO WITH ANOTHER PROPERTY ON OAKS ROAD.

WHERE WE WENT THROUGH IT THREE TIMES ALTOGETHER WITH REVERSALS AND BACK AND FORTH AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

AND IN THE MEANTIME, THE, THE BUYER STARTED MAKING CHANGES TO THE PROPERTY BEFORE THE THING WAS GRANTED HAS HAPPENED.

SOMETIMES YOU REPAVE THE WHOLE THING.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE DUG DOWN OAK ROAD, BUT THIS IS THE ONE WITH THE BARS ON THE WINDOWS AND HAS BEEN PAINTED PINK.

AND AS OF NO VALUE AS IT SITS RIGHT NOW, THE ENTIRE PARKING LOT IS PAVED.

AND SOMEHOW THEY GOT A PERMIT FOR THAT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW, BUT THEY DID BEFORE THE, BEFORE THE THING WENT THROUGH.

NEVER DID GO THROUGH.

SO THAT'S THAT, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, SO THAT'S WHY CONDITIONAL ZONING MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE.

NOW AS SOMEONE WITH SOME KNOWLEDGE SPEAKING FOR THEMSELVES, WE, IT'S DOING A LOT ON THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IN ORDER TO MAKE THINGS WORK FOR BOTH SIDES WITHOUT HAVING A WIDE OPEN THING WHERE BAD THINGS CAN HAPPEN.

OTHERWISE, WE WOULD HAVE TO TURN DOWN FAR MORE THAN THAN WE DO.

I APOLOGIZE, I'M ACTUALLY ON THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, BUT I WAS SPEAKING HERE TONIGHT FOR MYSELF, PERIOD.

FOUR OF THOSE MINUTES WAS TAKEN FROM MR. STANDARD SPEAKING ON SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO CONSIDER AND THAT THE BOARD IS NOT ALLOWED TO CONSIDER.

UM, AND THAT'S THE, UH, LAST THING WE'RE GONNA COVER.

BUT IN THE MEANTIME, I ALSO SENT YOU GUYS DOCUMENTATION THAT SPOT REZONING ON THE NORTH CAROLINA RE UH, LAW REQUIRE, REQUIRES A MORE INTENSIVE REVIEW THAN REGULAR REZONING.

AND I DON'T SEE ANY OF IT, ANY EVIDENCE OF IT HERE AT ALL BECAUSE I PLAYED THE, UH, MEETING OUT ON, UH, CHANNEL THREE AND THE ENTIRE SESSION ON THIS WAS 11 MINUTES.

AND UH,

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SO REALLY ONLY SEVEN MINUTES WERE SPENT ON THIS INTENSIVE REVIEW.

AND I DON'T SEE ANY EVIDENCE THAT THIS IS DONE ANY OTHER WAY THAN ANY OTHER ZONING.

I DON'T SEE ANY INFORMATION HERE.

THE OTHER THING IS THE FACT THAT THERE'S COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES IN THE AREA IS KIND OF A FALSE FLAG.

CAUSE YOU KNOW, ADMINISTRATIVE IS NEW.

SHE'S DOING AN EXCELLENT JOB OF PRESENTING THINGS AND SO ON AND SO, BUT THE TRUTH IS, THE ONLY REASON IT'S LIKE THAT WAS, IS CAUSE THERE WAS NO REZONING IN THAT AREA BEFORE THE CITY AND NEXT IT.

SO THERE WERE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THERE BECAUSE THEY COULD BE ANYWHERE THEY WANTED TO BE.

THEY COULD HAVE BEEN IN MY BACKYARD, WHAT'S NOT MY BACKYARD.

THEY COULD HAVE BUILT THEM ANYWAY AND THEY DID.

SO THEY'RE SPREAD OUT.

BUT I ALSO, I GOTTA DISAGREE WITH THE IDEA THAT ANY PLACE THERE'S, UM, A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S STILL RUNNING OR NOT, WITHIN A HALF A MILE THAT JUSTIFIES REZONING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN THAT AREA AND SPOT REZONING NONETHELESS.

AGAIN, YOU KNOW, SO, SO I DON'T, I I DON'T QUITE SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, IN OTHER WORDS, AND EVEN THOSE, AS I POINTED OUT, YOU GUYS KNOW THIS ARE ONLY COMMERCIAL BECAUSE IT WAS A PRE COMMERCIALLY ZONE COURSE.

COURSE THEY WERE COMMERCIAL BEFORE, BEFORE THE UM, WE HAD ANY ZONING AT ALL OUTSIDE.

YOU KNOW, CRAVEN COUNTY HAS NO ZONING BASICALLY.

UM, SO THAT'S WHY IT'S LIKE THAT.

BUT THAT'S NO REAL.

BUT ONCE IT WAS NEXT, THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE PRIVATE HOMES THERE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

SO IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TONIGHT THAT ANY LOT ON THAT STREET CAN BE REZONED COMMERCIAL? THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.

THAT IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AND IT'S NOT FAIR CUZ PEOPLE, ONCE YOU DID ANNEX THE AREA, AND IT MAY HAVE BEEN AFFORDABLE ANNEX SECTION, I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE.

THEN THEY WERE ENTITLED TO THE SAME TAX PROTECTION AS EVERYBODY ELSE.

ARE CONDITIONAL REZONING.

AND IN MY VIEW, I DON'T SEE MUCH EVIDENCE THAT WE'RE GETTING THE SAME PROTECTION FOR OUR TAX DOLLARS THAT OTHER AREAS DO.

IN ALL HONESTY, I DON'T SEE IT IF YOU LOOK AROUND THE AREA AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

I MEAN, ONE OF THE SAFETY FACTORS WITH THESE TYPES OF THINGS, AND AGAIN, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE USE THAT, THAT UH, THE APPLICANT IS NAKED.

NONE AT ALL.

YOU KNOW, SO WE COULD USE SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THAT AREA.

YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T, WE CERTAINLY WOULDN'T DO ANY HARM.

UM, BUT THERE'S A WHOLE RANGE OF OTHER THINGS.

AND I JUST WANT TO ASK HERE, THE PRESENTER THAT THE LIST YOU'RE PRESENTED IS NOT A COMPLETE LIST OF WHAT'S ON THE TABLE.

PERMISS PERMISSIBLE USES, RIGHT? THAT'S NOT EVERY SINGLE ITEM ON THERE ISN'T ON THERE CUZ THERE ARE FOOD ITEMS ON THERE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

AND ALSO IN THE TABLE MIS USES IT ACTUALLY SAYS THIS IS ONLY A SUMMARY EVEN THAT IS NOT COMPLETE.

IT SAYS THAT , I'M TELLING YOU, YOU KNOW, SO , AND AGAIN, YOU CAN DO IT RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW, IF YOU CAN SHOW ME WHERE IT SAYS CONDITIONAL ZONING ANYWHERE IN ZONING CODE, I'D BE, I'D BE SURPRISED.

CAUSE I SAT OUT THERE FOR A LONG TIME AND TRIED.

NO SIR.

AS I SAID, WE, WE DON'T HAVE CONDITIONAL ZONING IN NEW BERN.

I KNOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE IT.

NO, YOU YOU HAVEN'T BEEN DOING IT.

BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S OUTRIGHT.

IT IS LEGAL, IT'S ILLEGAL IN NEW BERN, BUT IT IS LEGAL.

IT IS ILLEGAL BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE IT IN OUR LAND USE CODE.

BUT IT IS, IT IS AUTHORIZED BY STATUTE YOU PUT ADD, RIGHT? YES SIR.

IT IS AUTHORIZED BY STATUTE, BUT THE ILLEGAL IN NEW BERN.

OKAY, FINE.

YES MA'AM.

OKAY, FINE.

SO, BUT, BUT ALSO WHAT I SAID IS TRUE IS THAT EVEN ON NORMAL REZONINGS, OKAY, WE'RE IN INTENSIVE RE 78% OF ALL REZONINGS IN THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA AND CITIES OVER 25,000 OKAY.

SO BASICALLY WE JUST HAVEN'T KEPT UP AND WE SHOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING, YOU WOULD HAVE A LOT LESS THINGS LIKE YOU HAD TONIGHT IF YOU COULD HAVE DONE A CONDITIONAL REZONING AND MAYBE IT COULD HAVE BEEN WORKED OUT.

THAT'S MY POINT.

SO, SO THE PEOPLE IN THAT AREA, YOU KNOW, UM, AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S ALL THESE OTHER USES POSSIBLE, IN FACT THERE'S EVEN FOOD TRUCKS ALLOWED, ISN'T THERE UNDER THE TABLE OF PERMISSIBLE USES? YES.

THAT'S THE TRUTH BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING HERE TONIGHT.

THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.

ALL KINDS OF OTHER THINGS, TENNIS COURTS, UH, TENNIS MARINE IS NOT .

WE GET FLOODED AGAIN.

WE MIGHT HAVE .

UM, SO I MEAN THAT'S MOST OF WHAT I WANTED TO SAY, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, AND UM, THE LIST IS VERY PARTIAL.

IT'S A FALSE SWAG AND THAT'S ABOUT IT.

AND, AND I SENSE SENSE, YOU KNOW, IN OTHER WORDS, SOME OF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH WHERE I LIVE, FOR INSTANCE, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT NEXT TO ME THAT'S TEXT TECHNICALLY IS COVERED UNDER THE COVENANT THAT COULD NOT BE DEVELOPED, COULD, COULD NOT BE DEVELOPED FOR COMMERCIAL PROBLEMS. CAUSE WE HAVE A COVENANT THERE, BUT THERE'S 20 ACRES IN THE BACK THAT'S NOT COVERED BY THAT.

SO THEORETICALLY YOU COULD, YOU COULD, UM, YOU KNOW, BREAK THAT UP INTO, YOU KNOW, 10 PARCELS AND PUT 10 BUSINESSES IN THERE.

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THAT ANY RESIDENTIAL LOT ON OAKS ROAD, BECAUSE THERE'S ANYWHERE ON OAKS ROAD, THERE'S, THERE'S COMMERCIAL PROPERTY WITHIN, WITHIN A HALF A MILE.

THERE'S NO PLACE ON LIKE THAT.

SO NOW YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU CAN DO IT ANYWHERE AND THAT'S NOT RIGHT.

ALSO, IT WASN'T COVERED ON THE SCREEN, BUT IT'S IN YOUR PACKAGE.

CAUSE I SAW IT, THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS BEFORE I CAME OVER.

IT'S NOT JUST COMPLIANCE WITH THE, WITH THE, UM, WITH THE LAND USE CODE.

IT ALSO HAS TO BE BASICALLY A GOOD SITUATION FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I I DON'T WANT TO SUMMARIZE IT WITHOUT IT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT THAT IT WON'T BE, UM, BE IN, WON'T BE.

WHAT DOES IT SAY JUDGE ? IT IS THERE YOUR STATEMENT? IT'S IN THERE MATTER.

THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO IT AS A SINGLE STATEMENT.

IT'S THERE, DOES IT BE BEYOND THE, THE CONDITIONS? IT SAYS THINGS BEYOND THAT.

YOU SEE IT THERE? YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE IT RIGHT NOW.

OH, OKAY.

THAT'S IN THE RESOLUTION I THOUGHT I SAW.

AND THAT'S ALSO IN THE CITY CODE.

IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT, THAT THOSE, THAT THOSE ITEMS HAVE TO BE MET.

AND UM, WHAT HAPPENS IS THE CITY CODE ACTUALLY SAYS, AS OF NOW, THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A SEPARATE FINDING, BUT THE STATE LAW SAYS THAT IT CAN BE COMBINED AND THAT'S THE TRUTH.

ALL THIS STUFF YOU CAN LOOK FOR.

OKAY, THANK YOU MR. DUFFY.

BUT, UM, THAT'S ABOUT IT.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME SIR? JUST ONE SEC.

OH, I'M SORRY.

I APOLOGIZE.

ONE MORE THING IF I MAY.

AS FAR AS IMPACTS OF OTHER POSSIBLY, YOU KNOW, MORE INTENSIVE USE.

OH, ANOTHER THING IS THAT THE BASIC, THE ONE THING THAT UM, FOR PERMISSIBLE USE IS LIMITED TO IS LOW TRAFFIC USES, BUT WITH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, IF THAT CAN BE CHANGED TO HIGH TRAFFIC USE.

AND AS FAR AS PUBLIC SAFETY GOES, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE SIDEWALKS.

WE HAVE PEOPLE WALKING ALONG OAKS ROAD AT NIGHT RIDING BICYCLES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

AND THERE'S NO TO HIDE TO GET OUTTA THE WAY OF CARS.

SO WE DON'T WANT TOO MUCH THERE.

AND THAT'S WHY I FULLY SUPPORTED CONDITIONAL STUFF TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH.

I DUNNO HOW YOU ARRANGE IT, BUT THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM ON A PROPERTY AND THAT WAS MY RECOMMENDATION, GET IT BACK ON THE TAX ROLL.

AND UM, THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT YOU GIVE THIS A LITTLE MORE TIME.

WE CAN CONCLUDE THE THING TONIGHT.

THE LAW SAYS YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT, RIGHT? I'M NOT GETTING ANY SUPPORT HERE.

BUT IT DOES SAY THAT THAT YOU CAN SIMPLY CONSIDER IT FOR THE NEXT AND VOTE ON IT AT ANY HEARING IN THE FUTURE, AT ANY MEETING IN SURE.

THAT'S ACTUALLY GONNA OKAY.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

I'LL JUST, GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME'S JESSICA WATSON AND I RESIDE AT 1 0 5 NORTH FIRST AVENUE.

I ALSO WORK IN THE REAL ESTATE INDUSTRY ALONG WITH MY FRIEND JASON.

AND I BELIEVE WE BOTH HAVE, UH, HIGH ETHICS AND MORAL STANDARDS .

UM, I AM SIMPLY HERE BECAUSE MY FENCE LINE, UM, THE WHOLE SIDE OF MY FENCE LINE GOES RIGHT AGAINST THAT PROPERTY.

UM, 19 YEARS AGO I FOLLOWED MY STEPDAD HERE WHO, UM, WAS WANTING TO FULFILL HIS LAST WISHES AND, UM, THAT WAS TO INVEST.

AND UM, THIS WAS ONE OF THE PROPERTIES THAT HE INVESTED IN.

IT WAS A, A VACANT PIECE OF LAND AND HE ALSO BOUGHT THE PROPERTY NEXT TO IT, THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET AND THE PROPERTY ALL THE WAY AT THE END ON THE CORNER.

UM, HE DID THAT BECAUSE HE KNEW THE SAWYERS NEXT DOOR AND HE ALSO KNEW THE BOYS DOWN THE STREET.

UH, SO WHEN HE BUILT THE HOME ON THIS PROPERTY THAT I'M LIVING IN TODAY, THAT WAS FOR AN INVESTMENT WHEN HE PASSED AWAY.

IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME WHEN MY MOM WANTED TO RELINQUISH THAT PROPERTY THAT I LIVE IN THAT PROPERTY.

IT WAS IMPORTANT TO HIM.

SO TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION ALL THAT HE DID, EVEN THOUGH IT WASN'T AFL ZONE, I DID KNOW THAT THAT CHURCH WAS THERE.

AND I DID KNOW IT WAS A SMALL CHURCH.

I KNEW THAT, UM, THE PARSONAGE WAS NEXT DOOR AND I WAS WELL AWARE OF THE PEOPLE AROUND

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ME.

SO THESE WERE IMPORTANT THINGS THAT I TOOK IN CONSIDERATION WHEN I DID PURCHASE THAT PROPERTY.

SINCE I HAVE INVESTED A LOT INTO THAT PROPERTY, THAT IS NOT THE AREA I WOULD'VE CHOSEN TO LIVE IN.

HOWEVER, I WANTED TO TAKE SOMETHING OF HIM AND KEEP IT GOING.

SO WOULD I WANT A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ALONG THE FENCE LINE OF MY HOUSE? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

UM, WITH THAT SAID, UM, I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO HINDER A SALE OR HI, HURT HIM IN ANY WAY.

UM, I DO FEEL THAT THAT AREA IS PREDOMINANTLY RESIDENTIAL.

UM, AND I DO NOT KNOW OF ME THRIVING BUSINESSES ON THAT ROAD.

UM, SO I WOULD HOPE THAT THERE WOULD BE, UM, BETTER OPPORTUNITIES FOR HIS CLIENT.

YOU CAN COME BACK UP, SIR.

ONE MORE TIME.

UH, THE CURRENT BUYER IS GOING TO PUT UP A NICE PRIVACY FENCE.

UM, UH, THAT'S GONNA BE VINYL, THAT'S GOING TO ENCASE THE BACK AREA OF THE PROPERTY.

WE'RE NOT USING IT ANY DIFFERENTLY THAN THE, THE CHURCH IS USING IT REALLY.

CARS, FAMILY SHOWS UP WITH THEIR VEHICLES.

THEY GO INSIDE, THEY HAVE A SERVICE AND THEN THEY, THEY LEAVE, UH, JUST LIKE THE CHURCH DOES.

AND NOTHING, NOTHING'S REALLY GOING TO CHANGE AS FAR AS, UH, NOT GONNA HAVE CONSTRUCTION SITE.

I'M NOT GONNA HAVE VEHICLES BACK THERE WITH TRAILERS AND JUNK AND ALL THAT STUFF.

IT IS REALLY GONNA BE WELL MANICURED.

IT'S GOING TO BE NICER.

IT'S GOING TO ENHANCE THE COMMUNITY.

AND THERE'S NOT GONNA BE HUGE SERVICES THERE.

CAUSE HE SAYS THAT HE'S GOT FRIENDS IN PLACES WITH BIG FAMILIES CAUSE THEY DO THEIR INTERVIEWS WHEN THEY COME IN AND PICK THEIR SERVICES THAT THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE FOR BIG FAMILIES.

THEY GOT BIG CHURCHES THAT THEY CAN GO TO.

WEST NEWBURN, CHURCH OF GOD, ALL KINDS OF CHURCHES AROUND NEWBURN THAT WILL ACCOMMODATE BIGGER FAMILIES AND BIGGER FUNERALS.

THIS IS MAINLY A SMALL SERVICE FUNERAL HOME.

LIKE I SAID, 65% OF THE FUNERALS ARE NOW CREMATIONS.

SO A LOT OF PEOPLE DO CREMATIONS THESE DAYS.

THAT'S WHAT IT'S GONNA BE.

AND IT'S MAINLY GONNA BE A MINISTRY.

HE'S A GOOD CHRISTIAN MAN.

YOU KNOW, HE TRIES TO PRE, HE'S A PREACHER AS WELL.

HE TRIES TO PREACH THE WORD OF GOD AND HE PUT JESUS IN PEOPLE'S LIVES TO HELP CHANGE THEIR LIVES, REALLY.

SO HE WOULD BE A GREAT NEIGHBOR, A PEACEFUL NEIGHBOR.

AND HE'S A GOOD MAN.

AND I PROMISE YOU, ANYBODY WHO MEETS THIS MAN WOULD SAY YES, I WOULD LIKE HIM AS A NEIGHBOR FOR SURE.

SO, BUT NOTHING'S GONNA CHANGE AS FAR AS REALLY THE USAGE OF THE PROPERTY.

UM, I WISH WE DIDN'T HAVE TO REZONE IT CAUSE HE, HE'S KIND OF USING IT AS A MYSTERY TO PEOPLE AS WELL AS THEIR TIME OF NEED.

SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

ONE POINT ON THAT, DO HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT ONCE YOU DO THIS, THE CHANGE GOES WITH THE LAND.

YEP.

AND THE NEXT PERSON, YOU KNOW, I HOPE YOU LIVED A LONG TIME AND CONTINUES TO DO THE SERVICE.

YES SIR.

WE'RE BUT THE NEXT PERSON CAN DO ANYTHING THEY WANT.

WE'RE, WE'RE AWARE MR. DUFFY, AS SOMEONE, SOMEBODY WAS RIGHT BEHIND YOU WHENEVER YOU STOOD UP.

SO WE'RE GONNA LET HIM SPEAK.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SIR.

MY NAME'S BRAD WATSON ALSO RESIDE AT 1 0 5 NORTH FIRST AVENUE.

AND I JUST WANTED TO ADD A COUPLE OF THINGS TO WHAT MY WIFE JESSICA SAID.

UM, JASON, I UNDERSTAND THAT HIS GUY'S A GOOD GUY AND HE KEEPS REITERATING THAT FACT.

AND IT'S GONNA BE A SMALL FUNERAL HOME FOR SMALL SERVICES.

UM, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SAY GOING INTO IT THAT THEY'RE GONNA REGULATE THEIR SIZE OF SERVICES TO JUST HAVE LITTLE SERVICES WITH JUST A FEW CARS.

UM, THE ONLY PARKING AT THAT BUILDING IS IN THE BACK AND THAT BACKS UP TO OUR PROPERTY.

SO WE WILL HAVE INCREASED TRAFFIC, INCREASED NOISE, INCREASED LIGHT, UM, IT'S GRASS BACK THERE RIGHT NOW.

SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT DOWN CONCRETE OR ASPHALT OR SOME KIND OF SUBSTANTIAL PARKING AREA.

UM, WE ARE IN THE FLOOD ZONE, SO THAT CONCERNS ME WITH THE STORM RUNOFF.

IT'S THE ONLY WAY IT CAN RUN IS TOWARDS OUR PROPERTY.

YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN, WHERE CAN IT GO? UM, AND LIKE THIS GENTLEMAN HERE JUST SAID, UH, ONCE THIS ZONE HAS CHANGED, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO STAY A FUNERAL HOME FOREVER.

IT CAN BE SOLD AND A DIFFERENT BUSINESS CAN COME IN THERE.

UM, I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT A FUNERAL HOME IN MY BACKYARD, BUT I REALLY DON'T WANT ANY BUSINESS IN MY BACKYARD.

ANYONE ELSE?

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GOOD EVENING BOARD.

MY NAME IS TONY BRYANT.

I'M A RESIDENT AT 9 0 3 SOUTH GREEN BURN ROAD.

AND WHAT I'M STAYING UP HERE FOR IS BASICALLY THE REZONING IN THAT COMMUNITY.

WE CONSTANTLY HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN THAT WANTS TO CHANGE THE ZONING TO A BUSINESS.

THAT AREA IS PROMINENT RESIDENTIAL AND IT NEEDS TO STATE.

I BELIEVE ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, MY NEIGHBOR TRIED TO CHANGE HIS LOCATION INTO A C3 LESS THAN A HUNDRED FEET AWAY FROM MY DOOR.

THE REASON WHY I STAND ON THIS, I'M ALWAYS ABOUT DEVELOPMENT NO MATTER PEOPLE OF BUSINESS.

BUT WHEN IT COMES INTO PLAY AGAINST A RESIDENTIAL, I ALWAYS WANTS TO CAUTION ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, STAYING FOR THE PEOPLE.

JUST LIKE A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, Y'ALL MADE A DECISION TO BE A LADY AND ANOTHER BUSINESS NEXT DOOR TO EACH OTHER.

Y'ALL ALLOWED IT TO BE REZONED IN THAT SITUATION.

THAT PROPERTY WAS BASICALLY IN HER FRONT YARD, WAS ACTUALLY IN HER YARD BECAUSE THEY SHARED A DRIVEWAY.

AGAIN, BACK TO THIS AREA, I'M ALL ABOUT BUSINESS, BUT WHEN IT COMES INTO CONFLICT WITH RESIDENTIAL, I'VE ASKED YOU TO CAUTION ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE.

WE DO NOT NEED ANY BUSINESSES OVER THERE.

IT'S IN A FLOOD ZONE.

AND WHEN YOU START DEVELOPING, YOU'RE GONNA CALL THAT WATER HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.

AND IF IT GOES OFF THAT PROPERTY, IT'S GONNA GO TO SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY.

NOW YOU HAVE CAUSING THEM TO FLOOD THEIR HOUSES TO BE FLOODED.

THAT'S WHY I WANTED YOU TO RECONSIDER.

OAKS ROAD IS A ALREADY A BUSY ROAD.

IT'S A NARROW ROAD THAT WE HAVE.

WHEN I DRIVE DOWN THAT ROAD, I GOTTA DEAL WITH BIKES AND OTHER TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD.

WE DO NOT NEED TO COMPLICATE IT ANYMORE.

SO I'M ASKING Y'ALL RESPECT OUT OF ANOTHER REALTOR.

DO NOT AUTHORIZE THIS REZONING BECAUSE LIKE IT'S BEEN SAID BEFORE, YOU ZONE IT TODAY FOR C4, THERE'S NOTHING ELSE TO STOP IT BEING USED FOR ANOTHER BUSINESS.

AND ANOTHER REASON I'M STANDING UP HERE, I'M A EVIDENCE OF, UH, THAT ZONING BEING AGAINST ME.

UM, DOWN FIVE DOORS DOWN, I DID HAVE A BUSINESS MOVE IN THAT WAS IN COMPLIMENT ON WAS IN AGREEMENTS WITH THE CURRENT ZONING AND THEY SAID THEY WAS GOING TO BE ONE BUSINESS AND THEY TURNED INTO A BE A NIGHTCLUB.

AND I HAD TO HEAR THAT NOISE TWO AND THREE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING NOT BEING ABLE TO USE OR HAVING THE PRIVILEGE OF USING WHAT I PAY TAXES FOR.

SO I'M ON ANOTHER STREET.

WELL, I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT THOSE NEIGHBORS OVER THERE BECAUSE THIS CHURCH AND THE HOUSE IS REAL IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO EACH OTHER BECAUSE THE OWNER OF THAT HOUSE WAS THE OWNER OF THE CHURCH.

THEY SOLD THE HOUSE, NOW THEY GOT THE CHURCH UP FOR SALE.

SO IF YOU USE IT FOR ANOTHER BUSINESS THAT CAN CAUSE FLOODING OR DIS UM, COMFORT TO ANOTHER, THAT RESIDENCE, I WANT YOU TO SAY DON'T AGREE WITH THAT.

AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE JUST WANT POINT THAT INCLUDING IN THIS IS THE REZONING OF AN ADJACENT HOME THAT WAS SOLD, THAT SALE DID GO THROUGH, AND THAT'S A HOUSE.

AND AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, THE PEOPLE ARE ALREADY ALREADY USING IT AS A HOUSE.

SO YOU'LL BE REZONING THAT HOUSE TO SEE FOR THE, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT THE PUBLIC HEARING? MAY I MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING IN DISCUSSION.

HEARING NONE.

ANY OPPOSED? PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.

I HAVE, UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

UM, I MAY BE WRONG ON THIS.

THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA ASK.

UH, IT LOOKS LIKE UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING, CHURCHES ARE ALLOWED BY, RIGHT? IF THIS IS REZONED, CHURCHES ARE NOT PERMISSIBLE.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT.

AND THAT'S, UH, ACTUALLY POINTED OUT BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD AS WELL.

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SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE THE USE WHEN THEY GOT IT RE PERMITTED.

IT WOULD NEED TO BE FOR USE ON THIS LIST.

AND HE WAS CORRECT IN STATING THIS IS NOT THE COMPREHENSIVE USE CHART.

THIS IS YOUR GENERAL IDEA OF THE TYPES OF BUSINESSES THAT CAN BE PUT IN THAT ZONING DISTRICT.

BOARD HAVE QUESTIONS.

SO IT CANNOT BE USED AS A CHURCH.

THAT'S CORRECT.

IF IT'S REZONED, IF IT'S, I I KNOW.

I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT, THIS ONE MUST NOT BE AS INTERESTING.

THE LAST ONE EITHER EVERYBODY'S TIRED.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? NO.

A QUESTION I GUESS FOR THE, UH, THE CITY ATTORNEY, THERE WAS REFERENCE MADE TO A CONDITIONAL USE.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? YES, SIR.

UM, GOING BACK A NUMBER OF YEARS, THE, THE LEGISLATURE CREATED A NEW STATUTE THAT ALLOWS CONDITIONAL USE ZONING.

PRIOR TO THAT, IT IT HAD BEEN ILLEGAL STATEWIDE CALLED CONTRACT ZONING.

AS YOU'VE NOTICED, EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD GOVERNING PUBLIC OFFICIALS WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE USE IS GOING TO BE AND THEY WANT TO PIN THAT OWNER DOWN TO THAT SPECIFIC USE BECAUSE THAT USE MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE AND FEEL REASONABLE TO YOU, BUT OTHER USES DON'T.

THAT WAS A TOOL THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE UP UNTIL A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO.

BUT NOW WE HAVE AN ENABLING STATUTE FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO ADOPT CONDITIONAL USE ZONING AS PART OF THEIR LAND USE ORDINANCE SO THAT YOU CAN CONTROL A SPECIFIC USE AND NOT VIOLATE THE LAW.

BUT AGAIN, THAT'S NOT A TOOL THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN NEW BERN.

WE DO NOT, WE DO NOT HAVE THAT TOOL.

NO, SIR.

IT'S AVAILABLE TO US.

AND AS JESS MENTIONED SOMETHING THAT, UM, THAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE BOARD AND PLANNING BOARD TO THINK ABOUT AS WE GO THROUGH THE REWRITE OF OUR LAND USE ORDINANCE.

IT'S A PLEASURE OF THE BOARD, BUT THERE'S NO MORE COMMENTS BY THE BOARD.

I MAKE A MOTION.

UM, MAY I MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, CONSIDER ADOPTING THE ORDINANCE TO REZONE 32 0 8 OAKS ROAD TAX PARCEL 8 0 3 1 A 0 32, UM, FROM R 10 TO C4 AND IT'S CONSISTENT WITH CITY, UM, ORDINANCE TO REONE.

I HAVE A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

WE HAVE A SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL STARTING WITH ALDERMAN ASTER.

WHAT IS THE MOTION? THREE FOUR.

IT FAILED.

IT'S FOUR FAILED.

SO THE REQUEST IS DENIED.

LET'S, LET'S, LET'S HAVE A A, A MOTION IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.

WELL, YOU WE'RE FINE.

WE, WE'LL GO WITH THAT.

YOU'RE GOOD? YEAH.

WE'RE, WE'RE GOOD.

SO NOTHING CHANGES.

THE CURRENT ZONING STAYS IN PLACE.

MS. RUE, UH, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 12.

UM,

[12. Conduct a Public Hearing and Consider Adopting an Ordinance to Initially Zone 29 Properties Identified as Tax Parcel IDs 7-103-010, 7-103-011, 7-103-017, 7-103- 018, 7-103-019, 7-103-020, 7-103-064, 7-103-099, 7-103-12001, 7-103-16001, 7- 103-19000, 7-103-202, 7-103-204, 7-103-7002, 7-103-9006, 7-103-9008, 7-103- 9009, 7-104-12001, 7-104-12003, 7-104-14009, 7-104-9012, 7-300-2000, 7- RAILRD-NCRR, 8-222-074, 8-222-169, 8-222-25000, 8-222-25001, 7-003-11000, and 7-024-019. ]

CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ADOPTING AN ORDINANCE TO INITIALLY ZONE 29 PROPERTIES IDENTIFIED AS TAX PARCELS IDS LISTED BELOW.

, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

UM, YOU ARE UP.

UM, STAFF DID A LITTLE EXTRA OUTREACH.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO APPLY ZONING FOR THE FIRST TIME TO 29 PROPERTIES WITHIN THE CITY'S PLAN PLANNING JURISDICTION THAT WHEN THEY WERE ANNEXED AND NEVER RECEIVED A ZONING DESIGNATION.

UM, I KNOW THIS IS DIFFICULT TO SEE FOR LEGAL PURPOSES.

IT IS IN OUR MINUTES AND IN OUR DOCUMENTS.

THESE ARE THE 29 PROPERTIES THEY'RE ADDRESSES AND, UM, HOW THEY'RE LEGALLY IDENTIFIED.

SO IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION, UM, WITHIN OUR FIRST MONTH OF ASSUMING THIS POSITION THAT WE HAD THIS SITUATION.

THERE'S THREE SEPARATE AREAS OF THE, UM, CITY THAT HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED INTO THE CITY'S PLANNING JURISDICTION, 55 AREA, THE AIRPORT AREA, AND THE CAROLINA COLORS AREA THAT JUST NEVER HAD ZONING.

WHY IS ZONING ANY IMPORTANT? THE REASON IT WAS CONCERNING TO ME THAT WE HAD 29 PROPERTIES THAT DIDN'T HAVE ZONING IS THAT WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL OVER WHAT YOU WOULD USE THOSE PROPERTIES FOR IN THOSE 29 PLACES.

AND SO WE HAD NO WAY TO MITIGATE, UM, NEGATIVE IMPACTS TO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS AND GO THROUGH SOME OF THE PROCESSES THAT WE WENT TO TONIGHT TO PROTECT NEIGHBORS.

UM, IN THE ABSENCE OF ZONING, YOU WOULD ONLY NEED TO COME GET A BUILDING PERMIT AND AN ENVIRONMENTAL PERMIT, AND YOU COULD USE YOUR PROPERTY FOR WHATEVER YOU WANTED WITHOUT ANY LAND USE REGULATIONS BESIDES THAT BUILDING PERMIT.

SO IN ORDER TO CORRECT THIS,

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WE, UH, NOTIFIED THE 29 PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WERE IMPACTED BY MAIL, UM, THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING THIS AT OUR PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.

INVITED THEM TO ATTEND CALLS, STOP BY, ASK QUESTIONS, SEND EMAILS.

WE HAD GOOD OUTREACH.

PEOPLE WERE JUST A LITTLE BIT, UM, CONFUSED THOUGH.

I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS ZONED OR, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE EXPLAINED THE ZONING DISTRICT THAT WAS BEING PROPOSED TO BE APPLIED TO THEM, WHICH IN MOST CASES IS WHAT WAS IN THE DIRECT VICINITY OR WHAT THEY ACTUALLY, UM, REQUESTED TO BE ZONED AS LONG AS IT MET CRITERIA THAT I'LL EXPLAIN HERE.

AT THE END OF THIS PRESENTATION, UM, SEVERAL PEOPLE SPOKE ON BEHALF OF IN FAVOR OF THE ZONING DISTRICT THAT WAS BEING APPLIED TO THEM ON OUR PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD DIS UH, MEETING.

AND THEN, UH, AFTER THAT WE MOVED FORWARD.

WE CALLED FOR THIS PUBLIC HEARING AND WE DID ALL THE THINGS WE DID FOR, FOR ALL OF OUR REZONING REQUESTS THAT WE HAVE.

WE NOTIFIED THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND ALL OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET OF ALL 29 OF THOSE PROPERTIES.

SO WE DID DO QUITE A BIT OF OUTREACH.

I'M GONNA WALK BRIEFLY THROUGH THE THREE AREAS.

IF WE HAVE SOME SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ZONING DISTRICT THAT WAS APPLIED, I MAY ASK SETH TO COME UP AND PROVIDE A LITTLE INSIGHT.

BUT THIS IS THE 55 AREA.

THERE'S FOUR PARCELS HERE.

THOSE ARE ALL PROPOSED TO GO TO R 20.

THAT WAS, UH, MADE SENSE WITH THE EXISTING AREA.

IT'S LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

THIS IS THE CAROLINA, UH, REGIONAL AIRPORT AREA.

UM, THIS IS 14 PROPERTIES.

WE ARE RECOMMENDING A FIVE THE, FOR SEVEN OF THOSE PARCELS.

THEY'RE CURRENTLY BEING USED AS AGRICULTURE.

THE PROPERTY OWNER'S, UH, ADVOCATE REQUESTED THAT WE HAVE THESE ZONED A FIVE.

WE HAVE I ONE NEXT TO THE AIRPORT THAT JUST MAKES, UM, SENSE ADJACENT TO THAT RUNWAY THERE.

AND THEN THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, UM, AND THERE'S SEVERAL OF THEM COMPLIMENT THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS IN THE AREA.

AGAIN, THIS IS A SUMMARY.

UM, THIS HAS BEEN INCLUDED IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET, THE SPECIFIC PARCELS THERE.

AND THEN WE GO, THERE'S TWO SECTIONS IN THIS CAROLINA COLORS AREA AND THOSE, THERE'S FIVE, FOUR OF THEM ARE UP FRONT.

WE'RE RECOMMENDING C3 UP HERE LIKE THE REST OF THE ENTRANCE TO CAROLINA COLORS.

AND THEN THAT PARCEL TO THE LEFT OF YOUR SCREEN THERE, THAT IS PROPOSED TO BE A FIVE THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT DEVELOPABLE.

AND SO EACH OF THOSE PARCELS WAS, UM, EVALUATED THE EXISTING USE, THE SUITABILITY, THE ENVIRONMENT, ENVIRONMENTAL ATTRIBUTES OF THE PROPERTY AND THE ADJACENT ZONING DISTRICTS.

AND THEN OUR PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD DID REVIEW THIS.

UM, THEY, THEY WENT THROUGH EACH SECTION THEY HAD AND TOOK COMMENTS FROM THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WANTED TO MAKE COMMENTS AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEETING ON THIS.

THEY WERE ALL ACCOMMODATED AND THEY FAVORABLY RECOMMENDED THIS REZONING PACKAGE FOR ADOPTION TONIGHT.

I WILL CALL OUT, I HAD A CONVERSATION RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED WITH, UM, ONE OF OUR CITIZENS THAT HAD A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT IS RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF THE CITY, INHERITED A PIECE OF PROPERTY, UM, FROM A FAMILY MEMBER MERGED THAT TOGETHER.

AND SCOTT, I'M LOOKING AT YOU RIGHT NOW.

UM, SO HALF OF HALF OF THEIR PROPERTY NOW IS IN THE CITY.

HALF ISN'T THE CITY HALF HAS ZONING APPLIED TO IT.

THEY WOULD LIKE TO, FOR THE WHOLE PARCEL NOT TO BE IN THE CITY.

AND I ADVISED THEM WE COULD FOLLOW UP AND I I WILL.

THEY, THEY STUCK AROUND TONIGHT TO HEAR YOUR ANSWER FOR THIS.

THAT WE, WE DON'T HAVE, IT TAKES LEGISLATIVE ACTION TO DE ANNEX.

SO WE DON'T HAVE A TOOL TO LET YOU GO ONCE WE GOT HERE.

SO, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A POLICY THAT SAYS THE PROPERTY CAN'T BE SPLIT THOUGH, TO MY KNOWLEDGE.

SO EXACTLY.

THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE ALLOW FOR THAT.

JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO EVERYONE'S ATTENTION BECAUSE IT JUST CAME UP THIS EVENING.

I HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO HERE.

TO YOU AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO.

I I HAVE A, A QUESTION.

WHAT, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE SINCE YOU'VE BEEN HERE TO ENSURE THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN WHEN WE ANNEX A PROPERTY? THAT IT GETS INITIAL ZONING BECAUSE THAT'S, WELL, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SLEEP AT NIGHT .

UM, QUITE HONESTLY, THIS IS, IT WAS POOR PLANNING PRACTICE.

I CAN'T ANSWER FOR YOU WHY IT HAPPENED OR HOW IT HAPPENED.

NO, I'M NOT, I DON'T, I WANT THAT.

I'M HERE TO FIX IT.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WANNA KNOW.

WHAT'S BEEN DONE TO FIX IT, UH, MOVING FORWARD.

I I DON'T ANTICIPATE THIS EVER HAPPENING AGAIN AS PART OF OUR ANNEXATION PROCESS, UM, MOST PLATING PROFESSIONALS THAT ARE CERTIFIED AND ZONING PROFESSIONALS WOULD AUTOMATICALLY BRING THESE

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CLEARLY THE BEST PRACTICE IS TO REZONE AT THE TIME OF IZATION.

I SUSPECT IF WE LOOKED INTO IT, WE WOULD FIND THAT WE HAD A STAFF TURNOVER IN A PARTICULAR POSITION AND IT JUST, IT GOT LOST AS, AS MY BEST GUESS.

BUT, UH, CLEARLY, UM, BEST THE TIME.

THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS WHERE YOU CAN'T DO IT FOR VARIOUS REASONS, BUT YOU CAN DO IT VERY QUICKLY THEREAFTER.

UM, BUT I SUSPECT WE HAD AN EXCEPTION TO THE RULE AND THEN TURNOVER OVER THE, THIS, THIS STRETCH IS A PRETTY WIDE TIMEFRAME.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE THIS HAPPENED WHENEVER WE WERE IN BETWEEN DIRECTORS OR SOMETHING.

OH, NO, NO, NO.

IT, IT, IT DID NOT, IT WAS LOWER STAFF.

I'M THINKING.

HEY JESSICA, JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, WHY DO WE HAVE TO ASSIGN ZONING TO CROWTON NATIONAL FOREST IF IT IS WITHIN OUR PLANNING JURISDICTION? WE'RE DRAWING ZONING.

I IT, SCOTT, I'LL LET YOU.

CAUSE I IS THAT WHAT YOU WOULD RECOMMEND? IT'S ALWAYS A BETTER PRACTICE, AND AGAIN, IT'S JUST GONNA BE ZONED CONSISTENT WITH ITS CURRENT USE OF A FOREST.

UM, SO IT DOESN'T, THERE'S NO DOWNSIDE AND POSSIBLE UPSIDE.

FAIR QUESTION.

IT JUST, I RECEIVED A LETTER AND I KNOW MY PROPERTY ORDERS ROAN FOREST.

UH, I WAS WONDERING WHY THEY WERE ZONING ROAN FOREST.

YOU'LL SEE SECTIONS TOO, SIR, WHERE, UM, THE RAILROAD TRACKS.

WE, WE CROSS THE RAILROAD TRACK TO PICK UP ANOTHER PIECE AND, AND WE WANT TO ZONE THE RAILROAD TRACK CONSISTENT WITH ITS CURRENT USE.

ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SO I, I GUESS I'M LOOKING FOR A LITTLE MORE CLARIFICATION ON THE QUESTION THAT MS. RU BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE PROPERTY RIGHT BEFORE, UH, THE MEETING.

SO THE IMPLICATIONS IS THERE WERE TWO PROPERTIES AND THEY WERE NOW, UH, ONE WAS COUNTY, ONE WAS CITY.

NOW THAT THEY ARE CO-JOINED, WE'RE SAYING THAT IT'S ALL CITY.

NO SIR.

NO, NO, JUST HALF OF IT.

IF YOU BUY ONE ACRE IN THE CITY AND YOU BUY A HUNDRED ACRES NEXT TO IT, AND NOW YOU HAVE 101 ACRES, THE ONE ACRE IS STILL IN THE CITY.

RIGHT? I GUESS I, OKAY.

I I GUESS I MISUNDERSTOOD THAT THEY DID AWAY WITH THE PROPERTY LINE AND MADE IT ONE PROPERTY, WHICH YOU CAN DO BY DEED, BUT THAT DOESN'T CHANGE.

THE CITY BALANCE.

DOESN'T CHANGE THE OKAY.

JUST CHANGES YOUR DEED.

GOOD QUESTION.

ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ONE BRIEF QUESTION.

YOU SAID THAT IN PLANNING AND ZONING, SEVERAL PEOPLE SPOKE IN FAVOR.

UH, WERE THERE ANY PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WERE OPPOSED? THERE WERE NOT.

WONDERFUL.

I MEAN, THEY WERE ALL INVITED TO ATTEND TO THAT MEETING.

AT THIS POINT, I WILL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING FOR ANYONE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST IT.

PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE AT THIS TIME.

I'M CHARLES CURTIS.

I'M THE PROPERTY OWNER, UH, THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AND, UH, IT'S BEEN VERY HELPFUL LISTENING TO THE EXPLANATIONS TONIGHT.

UM, I JUST NEED A LITTLE CLARIFICATION.

WHENEVER WE RECEIVED THE, FIRST OF ALL, I'LL JUST SAY THAT, UH, I WAS OUT ON A BUSINESS TRIP ON JUNE 6TH.

I WAS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND THAT MEETING.

UM, WE HAVE BEEN TALKING WITH STAFF ABOUT THIS, BUT JUST FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES, WHEN I LOOK AT THE GIS MAPPING, IT SHOWS ALL OF IT AS R 20.

IS THERE ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA BE REQUIRED FOR US TO DO TO MAKE SURE THAT R 20 ONLY APPLIES TO HALF THE CITY HALF THAT SEARCH? THAT SOUNDS LIKE A CLERICAL MISTAKE.

THE, THE CITY CAN'T ZONE BEYOND ITS BORDER.

SO IF, IF THERE'S BEEN A CLERICAL MISTAKE IN CLICKING ON THAT PARCEL AND COVERING THE ENTIRE PARCEL IN OUR 20, IT SHOULD ONLY STOP AT THE OLD PROPERTY LINE THAT WAS WITHIN THE CITY.

IS THAT, IS THAT YOUR QUESTION? IT DOES.

MY NAME'S DANIEL STANTON.

APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

THAT'S WHY THERE'S A, A CLAUSE ON THE GIST MAPS THAT SAYS THIS IS NOT PERFECT.

SO EVENING MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

I AM AN ATTORNEY WITH DUN PITTMAN SKINNER ASHTON.

I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF SOME OF THE, UH, OF THE ARTHUR LANDOWNERS THAT ARE AFFECTED BY THE ZONING.

AND, UH, YOU MAY HAVE HEARD THE STAFF SPEAK ABOUT, UH, INTERACTIONS WITH LANDOWNERS AND POSITIVE INTERACTIONS IN SUPPORT OF THIS.

CLEARLY THE ARTHUR'S, UH, WOULD BE HAPPY THAT THE LAND STAYED UN ZONED.

UH, BUT, UH, HAVING BEEN ANNEXED BY THE CITY AND OR ZONING APPLICATION OR ZONINGS HAVING TO BE APPLIED

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TO IT, UH, THEY WORKED WITH THE STAFF AND, AND I HELPED WITH THEM COMMUNICATE WITH THE STAFF TO MAINTAIN ZONING THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THEIR CURRENT USE, WHICH IS MOSTLY FARMING AND AGRICULTURAL AND SOME RESIDENTIAL AND, AND THEIR INTENDED USE IN THE FUTURE.

AND SO THEY'RE VERY PLEASED WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE STAFF AND WOULD BE HAPPY IF THE BOARD WOULD, UH, ADOPT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? MAKE A MOTION CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANY OPPOSED? PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.

IT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD.

ON ITEM NUMBER 12, MAYOR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TRY TO GET THE WORD INCORRECTLY ON THIS, TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE TO INITIALLY ZONE 29 PROPERTIES IDENTIFIED ON THE PARCELS ON THE LIST.

UNLESS YOU WANT ME TO READ THAT.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

ITEM NUMBER 13, PRESENTATION OF THE 2023 RETAIL MARKET ANALYSIS FOR THE CITY OF NEW BERN.

I HAVE A SECOND.

UH, ALDERMAN ROYAL.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL STARTING WITH ALDERMAN KINZIE.

[13. Presentation of the 2023 Retail Market Analysis for the City of New Bern.]

MR. CHRIS SEABERG.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR ALDERMAN.

UH, I AM HAPPY TO ASK TO COME UP HERE.

DR.

JASON ROW, HE'S WITH, UM, THE COMPANY TO PUT THIS TOGETHER.

IT'S A RETAIL MARKET ANALYSIS FOR THE ENTIRE AREA OF CITY OF NEW BERN, BUT WE ALSO LOOKED AT A REGIONAL EFFECT TO INCLUDE COUNTYWIDE AND THEN ALSO OUR MUNICIPAL OR OUR METROPOLITAN STATISTICAL AREA TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT RETAIL LEAKAGE OR WHAT WE'RE LOSING TO OUR COMPETITIVE MARKETS, SUCH AS WILMINGTON OR JACKSONVILLE.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO GAUGE THAT AND CREATE A STRATEGIC WAY OF PURSUING THOSE TYPES OF RETAIL INDUSTRIES.

SO ASK MR. UH, DR.

ROAD TO COME AND DO THE PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU CHRIS.

UM, MR. MAYOR AND BOARD MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR THE TIME.

THIS LATE HOUR, I'LL BE BRIEF.

I HAVE A METHODOLOGY SECTION IF YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE RETIRED EARLIER.

UM, WAIT TIL WE GET THROUGH THAT.

SO WHAT DO I HERE TO MOVE FORWARD? JUST, UH, OKAY, GOT IT.

SO I WANT TO GO THROUGH A BRIEF INTRODUCTION OF WHO I AM AND JUST TO HAVE SOME IDEA, UM, PURPOSE OF THE STUDY I DID, OVERVIEW OF THE METHODOLOGY THAT I WALKED THROUGH, SOME FINDINGS, SOME INSIGHTS, SOME RECOMMENDED NEXT STEPS JUST TO GIVE SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT AND THEN OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS FROM, FROM ANYONE AND EVERYONE WHO WOULD BE INTERESTED.

SO AS CHRIS MENTIONED, I DO CONSULTING WORK, DATA ANALYTICS TYPE WORK.

I HAVE A FACULTY APPOINTMENT AT EAST CAROLINA UNIVERSITY AS AN ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR IN THE COLLEGE OF BUSINESS.

I'M SPECIFICALLY ASSIGNED TO THE DEPARTMENT OF MARKETING AND SUPPLY CHAIN MANAGEMENT.

I ALSO SERVE AS DIRECTOR OF THE LONGSTANDING BUREAU OF BUSINESS RESEARCH IN THE COLLEGE OF BUSINESS THAT'S BEEN AROUND SINCE THE 1950S.

AND, UM, I'M THE STEWARD OF THAT AT THE MOMENT.

UM, I HAVE EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE DOING WORK WITH GOVERNMENT AND INDUSTRY, UM, THROUGHOUT MY CAREER.

PRIOR TO COMING TO ECU IN 2010, I WAS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY FOR FOUR YEARS.

PRIOR TO THAT I WAS AT MARSHALL UNIVERSITY.

SO I'VE BEEN IN ACADEMIA INDUSTRY AND RESEARCH FOR AROUND 18, UH, YEARS PLUS.

SO THE PURPOSE OF THE STUDY, CHRIS DID A REALLY GOOD JOB THERE OF LAYING IT OUT, WAS TO IDENTIFY, UH, RETAIL DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES.

SO, UM, I MAY JUMP INTO THE METHODOLOGY A LITTLE BIT WITH WHAT WE LOOK AT BECAUSE THAT'S SORT OF THE INTERESTING PART OF THIS.

WHEN WE LOOK AT A GEOGRAPHIC AREA, LET'S SAY THE CITY OF NEW BERN, AND WE USE DATA TO PROJECT RETAIL SALES.

SO THE SUPPLY IN THE MARKET, THE RETAIL SALES, AND THEN THE DEMAND FROM THE CONSUMERS.

AND WHAT WE LOOK FOR IS HOW CLOSE ARE THOSE MATCHED, OKAY? SO IF YOU HAVE MUCH GREATER DEMAND IN THE MARKET, THEN THE SUPPLY IS SHOWING THAT DEMAND IS BEING MET.

IT'S JUST NOT BEING MET IN THIS MARKET.

IT'S BEING MET ELSEWHERE, RIGHT? SO AS CHRIS MENTIONED, IT COULD BE GOING TO OUTLYING AREAS AND MORE AND MORE IT COULD BE GOING ONLINE DEPENDING

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ON THE TYPES OF, OF PRODUCTS AND, AND SERVICES.

IN THE CASE OF NEW BERN, WHAT WE SEE IN THE, THIS CITY OF NEW BERN, WHAT WE SEE IS EXCESS SUPPLY.

SO HIGHER RETAIL SALES THAN WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT FROM THE DEMOGRAPHICS AND THE SIZE OF THE POPULATION HERE, WHICH IS VERY COMMON WHEN YOU HAVE A, A CITY, A MUNICIPALITY OR METROPOLITAN AREA WHERE PEOPLE IN OUTLINE PARTS OF THE COUNTIES ARE COMING IN TO SATISFY THEIR DEMAND, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

SO, UM, TOURIST AREAS AS WELL.

SO AN EXTREME EXAMPLE WOULD BE IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THE CITY OF ORLANDO WITH ALL THE THEME PARKS, RIGHT? ALL THE INTERNATIONAL TRAVEL, ALL THAT COMES IN THERE, THEIR RETAIL SUPPLY WOULD BE OFF THE CHARTS COMPARED TO WHAT THE LOCAL CONSUMERS WOULD BE CONSUMING OR DEMANDING THERE, RIGHT? SO ON A, ON A SMALLER SCALE, THAT'S WHAT WE SEE HERE.

HERE IS WHY I'M GONNA JUMP AHEAD FOR JUST A SECOND HERE, IS WHY WHAT CHRIS MENTIONED IS SO IMPORTANT, THE IDEA THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE OUTLYING COUNTY AND THEN THE LARGER MSA, OKAY? BECAUSE IF WE LOOK AT JUST THE CITY OF NEW BERN AND WE SAY, WELL, THE RETAIL SUPPLY IS IN EXCESS OF WHAT THE LOCAL POPULATION REALLY SHOULD BE CONSUMING, THAT DOESN'T TELL THE WHOLE STORY UNTIL YOU ZOOM OUT AND LOOK AT THE COUNTY.

SO THEN YOU LOOK AT THE INDUSTRY CLASSIFICATIONS AND YOU SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, GROCERY STORES, RIGHT? AS ONE SIMPLE EXAMPLE, IF YOU WERE TO SAY, WELL, THE GROCERY STORE DEMAND IS MET CURRENTLY IN THE CITY OF NEW BERN, OR EVEN MAYBE EXCEEDING WHAT IT SHOULD BE.

BUT THEN YOU ZOOM OUT AND YOU LOOK AT THE COUNTY AND SAY, OH WAIT, THERE'S UNMET CONSUMER DEMAND IN THE COUNTY, AND YOU ZOOM OUT FURTHER AND YOU SEE CONTINUED UNMET DEMAND ACROSS THE MARKET, THEN YOU HAVE LEAKAGE, RIGHT? YOU WOULD NOT SEE THAT IF ALL YOU LOOKED AT WAS THE CITY, RIGHT? SO THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF THE ANALYSIS IS TO BE ABLE TO SPREAD IT OUT, UM, AND LOOK ACROSS THE AREA.

I HAVE SOME, SOME SPECIFIC INDUSTRIES, UM, NOTED FOR YOU HERE.

UM, REALLY ACROSS THE BOARD, WHETHER WE'RE TALKING AUTO, UM, AUTO PARTS, FURNITURE STORES, GROCERY STORES JUMPED OUT.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S A REASON WHY HARRIS TEETER WOULD CHOOSE TO PUT A FLAGSHIP LOCATION JUST DOWN THE ROAD, RIGHT? THE, THE, THE ANALYSTS WHO MAKE THESE DECISIONS WE'RE ALL LOOKING AT THE SAME DATA, RIGHT? THEY MAY HAVE PROPRIETARY PROCESSES OF HOW THEY LOOK AT THAT.

TRADER JOE'S WHOLE FOODS, WALMART, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN WAY OF ANALYZING THE DATA, BUT WE'RE ALL LOOKING AT ESSENTIALLY THE SAME SUPPLY AND DEMAND DATA, RIGHT? GAS STATIONS JUMP OUT AS A BIG OPPORTUNITY.

I THINK YOU HAVE A FEW NEW ONES IN THE AREA AND MAYBE ANOTHER ONE OR TWO, UM, COMING CLOTHING STORES JUMP OUT.

SPORTING GOODS STORES JUMP OUT AS OPPORTUNITY HERE IN THE AREA.

SO WHEN YOU SEE THIS MAN NOT BEING MET, IT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED AND MET SOMEWHERE, RIGHT? SOMEWHERE IN THE COUNTY, OR IT COULD BE IN THE CITY.

IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW THINGS SHAKE OUT AND WHERE FOLKS DECIDE TO GO.

PLACES, RESTAURANTS, DRINKING PLACES, THESE TYPES OF BREW PUBS, THESE TYPES OF THINGS, UM, EMERGE AS OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL.

MY EYES AREN'T QUITE GOOD ENOUGH TO SEE THAT SCREEN.

SO WE DO THIS, OK, SO WHAT I JUST DESCRIBED, WHERE WE MOVED FROM THE CITY OUT TO THE COUNTY AND ACROSS THE, THE METROPOLITAN STATISTICAL AREA, THE MSA, THAT'S THE MULTI-TIER ANALYSIS.

SO WHAT I ACTUALLY DID WAS I DID A RETAIL MARKET ANALYSIS OF THE CITY OF NEW BERN.

I DID A SEPARATE ANALYSIS OF CRAVEN COUNTY, WHICH INCLUDES NEW BERN.

THEN I DID A THIRD ANALYSIS OF THE MSA ADDING IN JONES AND PAM CODE.

ONCE I HAD ALL THREE OF THOSE DONE, I TRACKED THE FLOW OF THE DEMAND BY N A I CS CODE ACROSS THOSE THREE TERRITORIES TO IDENTIFY AT WHAT POINT IS THE DEMAND LEAKING OR BEING SATISFIED AS WE MOVE OUT.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE EVERYONE? OKAY.

UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I'LL POINT OUT TO YOU, TWO THINGS.

THE AUDIENCE FOR THIS REPORT, ALTHOUGH WE'RE ALL HERE TONIGHT TALKING ABOUT IT, WE'RE NOT REALLY THE AUDIENCE FOR THIS REPORT, IS THE RETAIL DECISION MAKERS.

THE FOLKS THAT ARE LOOKING TO WHERE THEY'RE GONNA PUT THEIR NEXT GROCERY STORE OR THEIR NEXT FURNITURE STORE, OR THEIR NEXT AUTO STORE, WHATEVER IT MAY BE.

THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE THE FOLKS WHO ARE THE AUDIENCE FOR A REPORT LIKE THIS.

SO WHAT THIS REPORT DOES IS IT OPENS THE DOOR, GIVES A LEADERS IN THE CITY A REASON TO CONTACT THE DECISION MAKERS AND SAY, AN INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY DID SOME ANALYSIS AND THE THE FINDINGS REVEAL A POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY FOR YOUR INDUSTRY.

WE THINK YOU MAY WANT

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TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THIS, AND THEN THEY WILL GO THROUGH AND DO THEIR OWN DUE DILIGENCE WITH THE PROCESS.

BUT AT LEAST IT HELPS SHINE A, SHINE A LIGHT ON, UM, POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY IN THE AREA.

UM, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU.

GO FOR IT.

UM, HOW DOES ONLINE PURCHASING FACTOR INTO YOUR CALCULATION? SO ONLINE PURCHASING COULD BE INCLUDED IN LEAKAGE, RIGHT? SO ONLINE SALES AREN'T IN THE DATA.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT STOREFRONT SPECIFICALLY, AND ONLINE SALES AREN'T THERE.

SO JUST FOR AN EXAMPLE, UM, OFFICE SUPPLIES A, ACCORDING TO THE NEW BERN, I'M SORRY, CRAVEN COUNTY.

THERE'S A 4.4 MILLION LEAKAGE IN OFFICE SUPPLIES.

SO MY QUESTION IS, WE BASICALLY HAVE ONE OFFICE SUPPLY STORE IN THE COUNTY.

UM, THAT $4.4 MILLION, THAT LEAKAGE, THAT THAT LEAKAGE COULD BE BEING PURCHASED ONLINE.

COULD BE ONLINE, OKAY.

UM, AND THIS EXCLUDES, I SHOULD CLARIFY THIS EXCLUDES BUSINESS PURCHASES.

THIS IS ONLY CONSUMER PURCHASES.

OKAY? SO THE DATA EXCLUDES BUSINESS BUSINESS TO BUSINESS SALES.

IT JUST LOOKS STRICTLY CONSUMER SALES.

OKAY? SO EXACTLY.

AND THE, AND THE POINT BEING THERE, JUST BECAUSE IT'S ONLINE DOESN'T MEAN, UM, IT CAN'T BE CAPTURED, RIGHT? STILL COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY.

UM, THERE, THE OTHER THING I, I WANNA SAY, DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MR? YES, YOU DID.

THE OTHER THING I WANNA SAY IS THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DATA, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF WAYS TO LOOK AT THIS.

YOU COULD LOOK AT IT AND AND SAY, WELL, THERE'S A SURPLUS OF WHATEVER THE CATEGORY MAY BE.

ABC, THERE'S A SURPLUS OF THAT.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN OTHER ABC RETAILERS MAY NOT BE INTERESTED IN DOING THAT THING.

LOOK AT WALMART FOR EXAMPLE.

THEY JUST WANNA SEE A ROBUST CONSUMER BASE, RIGHT? THEY DON'T CARE SO MUCH IF ALL THE DEMAND IS CURRENTLY SATISFIED.

CAUSE THEY KNOW THEY'RE GONNA COME IN AND THEY'RE GONNA CAPTURE A LARGE PART OF THAT MARKET SHARE.

OTHER RETAILERS, IF YOU THINK OF WHOLE FOODS, TRADER JOE'S FRESH MARKET, THESE TYPES OF PLACES, UM, SPROUTS, RIGHT? THESE SPECIALTY TYPE STORES, THEY HAVE A REALLY STRONG DIFFERENTIATION STRATEGY.

SO THEY, THEY MAY LOOK AT THE MARKET AND SAY, HARRIS TEETER'S THERE, WALMART NEIGHBORHOOD MARKET'S THERE, FOOD LINES THERE.

ALL THE GROCERY NEEDS ARE MET, BUT THERE'S A STRONG CONSUMER BASE THERE WITH GOOD HOUSEHOLD INCOME.

WE CAN DIFFERENTIATE IN CARBON NICHE AND MAKE MONEY THERE.

SO JUST BECAUSE THE DATA DOESN'T SHOW AN OPPORTUNITY DOESN'T ALWAYS MEAN THERE'S NOT A REASON TO REACH OUT TO RETAILERS.

A LOT OF IT IS HOW YOU POSITION THE, UM, THE FINDINGS AND HOW YOU TELL THE STORY OF, OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.

WITH A FEW EXCEPTIONS.

TRADER JOE'S IS A LITTLE TRICKY WITH, UM, WITH, WITH HOW THEY DO THINGS.

BUT IT, IT, IT TELLS A STORY OF OPPORTUNITY.

SO LET ME JUMP AHEAD HERE TO, UH, I WENT THROUGH SOME OF THE FINDINGS AND INSIGHTS AND VERY SPECIFIC AREAS WHERE YOU CAN LOOK AT IN TERMS OF TARGETING RETAILERS RECOMMENDED NEXT STEPS.

WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THIS THING? SO WHAT TYPICALLY HAPPENS, A COMMON NEXT STEP IS SOME TYPE OF STRATEGY SESSION, SOME TYPE OF CONVERSATION AROUND WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO, RIGHT? WHAT DIRECTIONS DO YOU WANT TO LOOK AT? DO YOU WANNA LOOK AT VERY SPECIFIC NICHE RETAILERS? DO YOU WANNA LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENTS, LARGER COMMERCIAL TYPE DEVELOPMENTS? HOW BIG DO YOU WANT TO GO? RIGHT? WHERE'S THE GREATEST NEED? WHAT ARE PEOPLE TELLING YOU? YOU'VE HEARD FROM A LOT OF THE FOLKS IN HERE THAT WERE IN HERE TONIGHT.

UM, A LOT OF WHAT I HEARD IN HERE TONIGHT REALLY CAN BE SUMMED UP AS GROWING VEINS.

THIS AREA IS, IS GROWING AND THE THE REPORT TELLS THE SAME STORY, JUST FROM A DIFFERENT ANGLE ABOUT OPPORTUNITY, UM, HERE TO CONTINUE GROWING.

SO COMMON NEXT STEP WOULD BE DOING SOME TYPE OF A STRATEGY SESSION TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE THE ALTERNATIVES, DEVELOPING SOME KIND OF ACTION PLAN, AND THEN WHO'S GONNA CHAMPION THESE THINGS AND HOW WE'RE GONNA GO ABOUT DOING THAT.

A REPORT LIKE THIS CAN, I CAN DRAFT A COVER LETTER TO DROP ON THE FRONT THAT CAN GO TO SPECIFIC RETAILERS, UM, STATE GOVERNMENT LEADERS, WHETHER IT'S COMMERCE OR ANYONE ELSE THAT MAY WANT TO, UH, TAKE AN INTEREST IN READING SOMETHING LIKE THIS OR HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW THEY CAN HELP, RIGHT? HOW THEY MAY ABLE TO FUND SOME THINGS IN ORDER TO MOVE THE, UH, MOVE THE BALL FORWARD A LITTLE BIT.

THERE'S A LOT OF AREAS TO GO.

THAT'S NOT FOR ME TO SAY.

MY ROLE WAS JUST TO COLLECT DATA, ANALYZE DATA, WRITE THE DATA, UH, AND PRESENT IT AND SHOW IT TO YOU.

WHAT WHAT YOU FOLKS DECIDE TO DO WITH IT REALLY IS, UM, IS NOT UP TO ME, RIGHT?

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I THINK THE CHALLENGE, I'LL STOP.

I COULD GO ON, UM, FOR A LONG TIME ANYWAY, THE CHALLENGE REALLY IS WHERE YOU HAVE SUCH A RICH HISTORIC CITY AND, UM, AND A GROWING INCREASINGLY MODERNIZING, UH, TYPE CITY AT THE SAME TIME.

SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A LITTLE BALANCE THERE.

YOU HAVE, I'M NOT TELLING YOU SOMETHING YOU ALREADY KNOW.

YOU HAVE NATURAL RESOURCES LIKE THIS BEAUTIFUL WATERFRONT AND THINGS THAT ARE AN ADVANTAGE THAT MANY CITIES DO NOT HAVE.

SO YOU'RE IN A, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE WITH THESE THINGS THAT I'VE DONE AND PEOPLE I'VE TALKED TO IN DIFFERENT AREAS, YOU'RE IN A PRETTY ENVIABLE, UM, POSITION.

THE FINAL THING I HAVE UP HERE IS ANYONE WHO HAS A SPECIFIC INTEREST IN GOING FURTHER ON THIS, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO COME BACK.

I, I SHOULD HAVE SAID I LIVE IN WINTERVILLE, UH, BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO COME BACK AND, UM, AND TAKE A DEEPER DIVE INTO THE REPORT, ANSWER MORE DETAILED QUESTIONS IF THERE'S FOLLOW UP ANALYSIS YOU'D LIKE DONE, HAPPY TO DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT, TO, UH, MAYBE PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE VALUE WITH THE REPORT.

IF THEY'RE RETAILERS THAT YOU HAVE IN TOWN YOU WANT ME TO TALK TO, I CAN DO THAT AS WELL.

I WOULD, UM, I WILL DEFINITELY TAKE YOU UP ON THAT OFFER.

UM, I THINK, I THINK IT'S GREAT INFORMATION.

YOU KNOW, WE HEAR ALL THE TIME, AT LEAST I DO, I'M SURE YOU ALL DO AS WELL, THAT WE HAVE TOO MANY GROCERY STORES IN NEW BERN.

AND WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT IT, WE ARE, WE HAVE 14 MILLION OVERAGE, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT CRAVEN COUNTY, THERE'S A 58 MILLION LEAKAGE.

DOES THAT MEANS PEOPLE THAT ARE OUTSIDE, I'M ASSUMING PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE CITY OF NEW BERN ARE GOING TO ANOTHER COUNTY NEARBY TO PURCHASE GROCERIES.

IS THAT WHAT I CAN SURMISE? THAT'S WHAT THE DATA WOULD SUGGEST.

SO THE DATA WOULD SUGGEST YOU HAVE AN OVERAGE OF 14 MILLION, WHICH MEANS YOU'RE SERVING THE COUNTY AND PERHAPS BEYOND, BUT THEN THAT'S STILL NOT ENOUGH TO MEET THE DEMAND THAT'S THERE.

AND, UM, AND SO THEY'RE GOING, THEY'RE GOING ELSEWHERE.

THAT COULD BE GOING ONLINE.

THERE COULD BE A LOT OF THINGS HAPPENING THERE.

BUT YOU'RE CORRECT.

THAT'S, THAT'S RIGHT.

FOSTER.

I'D LIKE, YOU KNOW, MYSELF, WHOEVER ELSE, COUPLE DERMAN WANNA JOIN, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD GET JEFF WOOD WITH THE COUNTY.

I KNOW THAT THEY DON'T FOCUS ON RETAIL, THEY'RE MORE INDUSTRIAL.

BUT I THINK THIS IS GOOD INFORMATION BECAUSE WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE COUNTY, WE ALL GET OUR, THE SAME EQUAL SHARE OF THE SALES TAX REVENUE.

SO THERE MAY BE SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO, TO WORK TOGETHER.

SO BOARD HAVE QUESTIONS I'D LIKE TO PARTICIPATE IF YOU PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER.

, THE, THE SECOND QUESTION YOU ASK ON THE BYPASS, THAT'S ONE OF THE TRICKY THINGS ABOUT DOING A REPORT LIKE THIS.

QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU.

WHEN THE, THE CONSUMER DATA THAT, THAT YOU ANALYZE, DOES IT GET INTO THE DETAIL OF SAY, PERMANENT CONSUMERS VERSUS TRANSIENT CONSUMERS? AND WHEN I'M SAYING TRANSIENT CONSUMERS, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE TRAVELING THROUGH THE COMMUNITY, GOING SOMEWHERE, COMING BACK.

AND THEN THE SECOND KIND OF QUESTION, YOU KNOW, TIED INTO THAT IS WHEN YOU DO, YOU KNOW, AN ANALYSIS LIKE THIS, DO YOU FACTOR IN LIKE THE BYPASSES THAT THE STATE IS ACTIVELY PURSUING? NOW WE HAVE A SMALLER PROJECT IN JAMES CITY, IT'S NOT REALLY A BYPASS, BUT IT'S AFFECTING NOT THE CITY OF NEW BERN WITH CITY LIMITS, BUT AN ADJACENT AREA WHERE A LOT OF THE BUSINESS AND COMMERCIAL HAS BEEN FORCED TO RELOCATE WITH THE INTENT.

YOU'RE GETTING TRAFFIC THROUGH YOUR COMMUNITY FASTER, SO YOU'RE EITHER LOSING THE OPPORTUNITY OR YOU ARE MAYBE PICKING UP OPPORTUNITY.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT LIKE THE HAVELOCK BYPASS, THE KINSTON BYPASS, A MUCH BIGGER IMPACT.

I MEAN, DOES YOUR ANALYSIS KIND OF LOOK AT THOSE TYPE OF ISSUES? SO, TO ANSWER THE FIRST QUESTION FIRST WITH WHAT YOU CONSIDER TRANSIENT, UM, PEOPLE PASSING THROUGH TOURISTS WHO ARE HERE FOR A FEW DAYS OR A WEEK, THAT TYPE OF THING, WE WOULD EXPECT TO SEE THAT IMPACT SHOWING UP ON THE RETAIL SUPPLY SIDE BECAUSE THE CONSUMER SIDE IS TAKING THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE AREA, THE PEOPLE, THE, UM, HOUSEHOLD INCOME, THESE TYPES OF DEMOGRAPHICS AND PROJECTING THEIR CONSUMER SPENDING OF WHAT THEY SHOULD BE CONSUMING.

SO THEN YOU SEE THEY SHOULD BE SPENDING THIS, WELL, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU SEE THE RETAIL SALES OR SUPPLIES ACTUALLY UP HERE.

THEN, YOU KNOW, THE AREA IS EITHER PULLING FROM AN OUTSIDE AREA TO GET PEOPLE TO COME IN AND CONSUME, OR IT'S A HIGH TOURIST OR TRANSIENT AREA.

THERE'S THAT BUSINESS IS COMING FROM SOMEWHERE.

IT'S NOT COMING FROM THE RESIDENCE OF THAT DEFINED AREA THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.

IF THAT, DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? MM-HMM.

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IF YOU ALL HAVE A COPY AND IF YOU'VE LOOKED AT IT, IT'S VERY COMPLEX.

IT'S A HIGH LEVEL OF DETAIL.

IT NOT ONLY INVOLVES THINGS LIKE POPULATION DEMOGRAPHICS, FINANCIAL FIGURES, BUT THERE ARE, THERE ARE ARE, UM, FACTS AND STATEMENTS WOVEN THROUGHOUT FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF, UM, TRANSPORTATION AND, AND OTHERS.

SO WHAT I DO WHEN I, WHEN I DO THESE REPORTS, IS I GO IN THROUGH, UM, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, I LOOK AT ALL THE CURRENT PROJECTS, I LOOK AT WHAT THEY'RE PROJECTED TO DO WHEN THEY'RE COMING ON BOARD AND ALL THIS TYPE OF THING.

I GO THROUGH, DO MEDIA SEARCHES TO SEE IF I'VE MISSED SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF, UM, OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND I ACTUALLY DO A, A FIELD DAY, UM, AT LEAST ONE DAY, BUT I'LL DO A FIELD SITE SURVEY IN THE AREA.

SO I CAME DOWN HERE AND, AND SPENT A DAY, UM, JUST WALKING AROUND TALKING TO PEOPLE, BUSINESS PEOPLE, CASHIERS, JUST ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, WHAT COULD THE, COULD THE CITY BENEFIT FROM? WHAT ARE YOU MISSING? ONE OF THE THINGS I I PUT UP HERE THAT, THAT CAME UP WAS SOMEONE, THREE PEOPLE ACTUALLY MENTIONED THAT WE NEED MORE FOR YOUNG PEOPLE TO DO.

WE NEED MORE FOR TEENS AND, AND TWEENS.

WE NEED MORE FOR THEM TO DO IN THE CITY, RIGHT? SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULDN'T SHOW UP IN THE DATA THAT YOU, THAT YOU MAYBE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT, BUT YOU'RE GONNA PICK UP THAT NUANCE BY HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE, UH, WHO ARE IN THE COMMUNITY AND WHO KNOW THAT BACK TO THE POINT ON THE ROADS AND THE HIGHWAYS AND THINGS.

UM, I'M VERY, VERY METICULOUS ON FIGURING THOSE THINGS OUT.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S HARD TO PROJECT FORWARD AND SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE IN A YEAR OR TWO OR THREE OR FOUR.

BECAUSE IF YOU'VE LOOKED AT THE, AT THE D O T WEBSITE, YOU'LL SEE SOMETHING THAT SAYS, THIS IS SCHEDULED TO START IN 2022, YOU CHECK IT IN 2022, THIS IS SCHEDULED TO START IN 2024.

THIS IS PROJECTED TO START IN 2025.

THIS WILL BE DONE.

IT'S JUST CONSTANTLY MOVING.

SO I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU GOOD DATA, UM, OR PROJECTIONS EVEN IF I TRIED, UH, BASED ON, ON SOME OF THOSE MOVING TARGETS.

SO THIS IS REALLY, UM, A, A CURRENT VIEW SNAPSHOT OF THE BEST AVAILABLE DATA AND, AND WHAT IT SORT OF INDICATES FOR US WAS TALKED ABOUT.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YEAH, YEAH.

WHERE DID YOU, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE, UH, MEDIUM HOUSEHOLD INCOME, WHERE DID YOU OBTAIN THAT INFORMATION FOR THIS ANALYSIS? THAT BY 2027, THE MEDIUM INCOME IN BERN WILL BE PROJECTED TO BE 58 THOU BY 58,500.

WHERE'D YOU OBTAIN THAT INFORMATION FROM? SO THAT COMES, THERE'S A COMPANY, YOU MENTIONED GIS.

SO, UM, THERE'S A COMPANY THAT I BELIEVE THEY'RE OWNED BY ARCGIS CALLED ESRI.

AND THEY DO BUSINESS DATA, JUST LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT GIS DOING THE, THE GEOGRAPHIC DATA.

THEY DO, THEY DO BUSINESS DATA.

SO THOSE ARE BASED ON THEIR PROJECTIONS.

UM, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY BURIED SOMEWHERE IN THE APPENDICES, BUT IF YOU WERE TO GO THROUGH THE APPENDICES AT THE TOP, A LOT OF THE TIMES THEY'LL LAY OUT THOSE PROJECTIONS.

UM, SO THAT COMES FROM THEIR DATA.

AND, AND IN FACT, IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR DATA, UM, THEY HAVE, I THINK IT'S THE CURRENT, WHAT THEY CONSIDER CURRENT, UM, MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOMES AROUND $48,000.

IF YOU WERE TO GOOGLE THAT NUMBER TO SEE WHAT GOOGLE SAYS IT IS, IT COMES BACK SOMEWHERE AROUND $45,000, I THINK, IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, SO, AND, AND SOME OF THAT, IF YOU THINK ABOUT ANECDOTALLY INFLATION AND WAGE INCREASE SINCE THE PANDEMIC, SOME OF THESE WAGES HAVE HAD TO GO UP SO MUCH, UM, TO, TO KEEP SERVICE WORKERS AND HOTELS AND RESTAURANTS AND THIS TYPE OF THING.

IT'S NOT INCONCEIVABLE THAT INCOME COULD GO FROM 48 TO 58, BUT THE PRICE OF GOODS COULD GO UP EXACTLY.

AND IT, IT, IT ALWAYS SEEMS TO BE THE CASE THAT WAGES DO NOT KEEP UP ANYWHERE NEAR WITH INFLATION AS WE'VE SEEN.

SO, UM, DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES, YOU DID.

MARKETING INFO, IF IT'S BY REALTOR OR BY A FIRM, JUST TRYING TO GAUGE THE WHOLE GAMUT AND DO A LOT OF THE HOMEWORK FOR A POTENTIAL RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT.

ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOU.

UM, I'D BE REMISS NOT TO POINT OUT, THIS IS A HUGE PIECE IN OUR PUZZLE.

STAFF IS ALSO, UH, FINISHING UP A RETAIL INVENTORY OF THE ENTIRE CITY.

UH, WE'RE NOT GOING BEYOND THE CITY.

UH, WE UNDERSTAND REGIONAL EFFECT ON THAT.

BUT THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS INVENTORY IS TRY TO GET SOME OF THE HOMEWORK DONE AHEAD OF TIME FOR POTENTIAL RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS.

SO WE WILL HAVE VACANT PARCELS THAT ARE POSSIBLE VACANT STRUCTURES THAT ARE POSSIBLE, THE

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OUR GOAL IS RETAIL TRACTION, BUT ALSO RETENTION.

SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE THINGS MORE PALATABLE, MAKE THE CITY MORE ATTRACTIVE FOR THEM TO BRING THEIR BUSINESS TO US.

SO I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE BOARD TO KNOW THE OTHER ITEMS. WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT, WE'RE PUTTING ALL THESE PIECES TOGETHER IN ONE GOOD TOOLBOX.

SO, AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO FIND THIS INFORMATION ONLINE OF COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT LINK.

AND YOU REALLY CAN LOOK AT IT AT THE VERY BOTTOM OF OUR WEBSITE@NEWBURYNC.GOV.

WE, WE, WHEN I FIRST GOT ON THE BOARD BACK IN 2014, YOU MIGHT AS WELL SAY WE, WE WERE STARTING TO DO A REALLY GOOD JOB AT THIS.

AND THEN WE HAD CHANGES IN PERSONNEL, UM, CHANGES OF FOCUS, AND OF COURSE WE HAD HURRICANES AND THINGS AND IT GOT DERAILED.

BUT I THINK YOU CAN SEE EARLY ON SOME OF THE, THE PLACES THAT YOU MENTIONED AND CALLED OUT, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC SHOPPING CENTER, THE HARRIS TEETER SHOPPING CENTER, ALL THOSE WERE DONE BY A LOT OF WORK ON THE, ON THE CITY'S BEHALF TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE READY AND ACCEPTING FOR THOSE DEVELOPERS.

SO IT'S GOOD TO SEE WE'RE GETTING BACK ON TRACK.

CAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO BE.

IF I COULD ADD JUST ONE MORE THING.

IF YOU ALL HAVE A COPY OF THE REPORT TO TAKE WITH YOU LATER, IF YOU FLIP TO THE BACK, YOU'LL SEE I DID A LITTLE, UM, SORT OF BONUS WRITE UP ON A, ON A COMPARABLE CITY.

AND I DRAW SOME PARALLELS AND TALK ABOUT HOW THEY ADDRESSED, UH, STARTED AROUND 20 YEARS AGO, BUT HOW THEY ADDRESSED THE CHALLENGES, UM, THAT, THAT MAY HAVE SOME RELATION TO WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IN NEW BERN.

SO I, I THOUGHT OF IT, I DID THE RESEARCH, I PUT IT IN AS A LITTLE SOMETHING EXTRA JUST AGAIN TO, TO PROVIDE SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

[14. Presentation on Financing Options.]

TO ITEM NUMBER 14.

WE HAVE A PRESENTATION ON FINANCING OPTIONS.

YOU GOTTA KEEP US AWAKE HERE.

SO DO MY BEST WELL BOARD.

AS YOU, UH, MAY RECALL DURING THE BUDGET WORKSHOP MEETINGS, WE DISCUSSED, UM, THE UPCOMING FINANCING NEEDS FOR THE SAND WHITE REC CENTER PROJECT, UH, SEWER IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, AND THE FY 2324 VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT.

THESE PROJECTS ARE MOVING ALONG.

UM, THEREFORE IT'S TIME TO SEEK FUNDING OR FINANCING.

THIS MORNING WE MET WITH THE L GC AND DAVENPORT TO DISCUSS OUR, UM, FINANCING PLANS AND AGGRESSIVE TIMELINE, UH, TO TARGET A SEPTEMBER CLOSING DATE.

UH, DISCUSSION MATERIALS FROM THAT MEETING HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU.

UM, IT'S THIS PACKET HERE, AND THAT'S FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES.

THIS PACKET PROVIDES MORE DETAIL AND SUPPORTS THE OVERVIEW PRESENTED TO YOU.

TODAY, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE, UM, TED COLE, SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT AND MANAGER OF PUBLIC FINANCE WITH D DAVENPORT.

MR. COLE WILL REVIEW OUR FINANCING OPTIONS FOR THE STANLEY WHITE REC CENTER, THE SEWER IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, AND THE F Y 2324 VE CLINIC EQUIPMENT WITH CAPITAL PURCHASES.

UH, AGAIN, I'M TED COLE WITH DAVENPORT.

WE, UM, WE HAVE PRESENTED TO YOU ALL BEFORE, IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS.

SOME OF YOU MAY RECALL.

UM, GENERALLY OUR WORK IS REVOLVES AROUND CAPITAL PLANNING, UH, DEBT ISSUANCE, CAPITAL PROJECTS, AND AS KIMBERLY SAID, WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THREE SPECIFIC PROJECTS.

UM, THIS EVENING.

UM, THE LGC MATERIAL HAS ALREADY BEEN SENT AROUND.

YEAH, SO THAT'S A, A BIGGER PACKAGE.

IT'S MAYBE 15 SLIDES THAT HAS MORE DETAIL IN THERE.

I'M GONNA TALK OFF OF WHAT WAS IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET AND WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN, WHICH IS MORE OF A SUMMARY.

UM, BUT HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS I GO.

UM, ON THIS SLIDE, PAGE TWO, UM, THREE BASIC FINANCINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

THE FIRST BEING FOR VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT, SO POLICE VEHICLES, OTHER VEHICLES, UH, PUBLIC WORKS, UM, VEHICLES AND TRUCKS, UM, AT AN ESTIMATED COST OF ABOUT 4.8 MILLION.

UM, WE HAVE WHAT WE'RE CALLING AN NTE, THAT'S A NOT TO EXCEED FINANCING AMOUNT.

WE'RE, WE'RE GROSSING THAT UP JUST A LITTLE BIT TO 4.9 MILLION.

SO THAT'S THE NUMBER WE'RE WORKING WITH FOR VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT.

UM, I'LL TALK A LITTLE MORE ABOUT HOW WE WOULD PROPOSE TO FINANCE THAT IN A MOMENT.

SECONDLY WOULD BE THE STANLEY WHITE RECREATION CENTER.

THAT'S THE RENOVATION OF A FACILITY.

UM, WE'VE GOT A, UM, TOTAL PROJECT CONSTRUCTION OF ABOUT 13.2 MILLION.

UM, OTHER DESIGN COSTS AND RELATED COSTS OF ABOUT 1.1 MILLION BETWEEN INSURANCE AND FEMA REIMBURSEMENTS OR

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FEMA COMMITMENTS.

YOU'VE GOT ABOUT 8 MILLION IN FUNDING NOW.

SO WE'VE GOT A NET PROJECT NEED FOR FUNDING OF ABOUT 6.3 MILLION RIGHT, TO FULLY FUND THE PROJECT.

SO THAT WILL BE THE BASIS OF THE BORROWING FOR THE STANLEY WHITE REC CENTER.

AND ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THAT, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT WE'VE GOT A 10 MILLION NOT TO EXCEED FINANCING.

UM, AND THAT'S SOMEWHAT UNIQUE.

UM, IN THAT WE HAVE FEMA, AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT REVOLVE AROUND THE FEMA FUNDING.

ONE IS YOU SUBMIT REIMBURSEMENTS TO THEM AND THEY TAKE SOME PERIOD OF TIME TO PROCESS THE REIMBURSEMENTS.

SO THERE'S SOME CASH FLOW CONSIDERATIONS.

AND THEN SECONDLY, AND MAYBE MORE IMPORTANTLY, THEY HOLD BACK 25% OF THEIR FUNDING COMMITMENT UNTIL THE PROJECT IS COMPLETE.

SO YOU NEED TO BE, AS A CITY, YOU NEED TO BE PREPARED TO FUND THE ENTIRE PROJECT.

AND THEIR FINAL 25%, WHICH IS ALMOST 2 MILLION, UM, COMES ON THE BACKEND.

SO FOR THAT REASON, WE ARE, UM, MOVING FORWARD WITH, WITH SORT OF TWO COMPONENTS TO THE STANLEY, UH, REC CENTER FINANCING A LONG-TERM AND PERMANENT 6.3, WE ROUNDED UP TO 6.5 MILLION.

THAT'S THE GAP.

THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED TO SUPPLEMENT FEMA AND INSURANCE.

AND THEN A SEPARATE THREE AND A HALF MILLION ESTIMATED, UM, THAT WE WOULD HOPE WOULD ONLY BE OUT THERE FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS.

UM, CASHFLOW BORROWING TO FACILITATE THE FEMA PROCESS.

SO WE'RE, IN ACTUALITY, WE MIGHT CLOSE ON A TOTAL OF 10 MILLION, BUT THE THREE AND A HALF WOULD BE, WOULD GO AWAY ONCE FEMA'S PROCESS HAS FULLY RUN ITS COURSE, WHICH AGAIN, IS ESTIMATED TO BE, ONCE THE PROJECT IS FINAL, THEY DO THEIR REVIEW AND THEY MAKE THEIR FINAL 25% OF FUNDING AVAILABLE.

SO THAT THREE AND A HALF REALLY ALLOWS FOR SOME CASHFLOW, UH, SO THAT YOU'RE NOT RELYING COMPLETELY ON CITY RESERVES, UM, TO FRONT THE FEMA FUNDING.

UM, AND THEN FINALLY, SEWER PROJECTS, UH, INTERCEPTOR AND FORCE MAINE PROJECTS.

THERE'S A LITTLE MORE DETAIL IN THE LARGER PACKET ABOUT THOSE PROJECTS.

UM, TOTAL COST ON THE INTERCEPTOR ON ROUNDING 1.2, THE FORCE MAINE 5.4.

YOU'VE GOT SOME STATE ARPA FUNDING AND GOLDEN LEAF FUNDING, THAT'S THE 700,000.

SO WE'VE GOT A NET BORROWING NEED OF APPROXIMATELY 5.9.

AND FOR THE NOT TO EXCEED DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD WITH THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT COMMISSION, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 6.1.

KEEP IN MIND, ALL OF THESE PROJECTS ARE BID.

YOU HAVE FIRM BIDS IN HAND, AND WE'RE ONLY GOING TO BORROW WHAT YOU NEED.

UH, BUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT NOT TO EXCEED, WE'RE JUST GROSSING UP A LITTLE BIT SO THAT, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT CUTTING IT TOO CLOSELY.

UM, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE WHEN WE HAVE SOME INITIAL RESOLUTIONS.

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE WHEN THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE FOR THE REC CENTER.

BUT REST ASSURED, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHEN IT COMES TIME TO CLOSE, WE'RE ONLY GOING TO FUND WHAT YOU NEED TO FUND CONSTRUCTION AND ISSUANCE COSTS.

SO THOSE ARE THE THREE MAIN PROJECTS.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE? ALRIGHT, SO LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW WE WOULD GO ABOUT FINANCING THESE.

UM, AND AGAIN, WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT COMMISSION, UM, IN RALEIGH THIS MORNING.

THEY WILL ULTIMATELY APPROVE TWO OF THESE THREE FINANCINGS VEHICLES, ACTUALLY, BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING TO REPAY THE VEHICLES OVER A FIVE YEAR TERM.

THOSE, THAT FINANCING WOULD BE EXEMPT FROM LGC APPROVAL.

THAT'S A, A, A CARVE OUT THAT THEY MAKE AVAILABLE.

BUT NONETHELESS, WE TALKED TO 'EM ABOUT IT.

THE TYPE OF FINANCING.

WHAT, REAL QUICK, WHAT, WHAT IS THAT? IS THAT A FIVE YEAR? IS THAT THEIR LIMIT? SO ANYTHING ABOVE FIVE YEARS OR IS IT, WELL, IT'S A COMBINATION OF THE FACT THAT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A VEHICLE, IT'S ROLLING STOCK AND YOU'RE KEEPING IT OKAY.

WITHIN THE FIVE YEARS THAT YOU CAN DO IT WITHOUT THEIR APPROVAL.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

UM, IT'S, SO THAT WILL BE FINANCED UNDER WHAT WE CALL AN INSTALLMENT FINANCING.

ESSENTIALLY, THE, THE SECURITY WILL BE A LIEN ON THE VEHICLES.

VERY COMMON, VERY, VERY STANDARD APPROACH TO FINANCING THOSE THINGS.

A FIVE YEAR TERM IN WHAT WE CALL LEVEL PAYMENT, UH, WHICH WOULD BE LIKE A MORTGAGE EVERY YEAR.

YOUR PAYMENT WOULD BE THE SAME BETWEEN PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST.

SO THAT'S THE VEHICLE COMPONENT.

SEPARATE AND APART BY ITSELF.

THE RECREATION WOULD ALSO BE, UM, FINANCED AS A, AN INSTALLMENT.

IN THIS CASE, THE SECURITY ON THE LOAN WOULD BE A, A MORTGAGE OR A DEED OF TRUST ON THE FACILITY.

AGAIN, A VERY COMMON WAY OF FINANCING PROJECTS LIKE THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED GOING 15

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OR 20 YEARS ON THAT.

UM, WHEN WE DO OUR REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL, I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.

WE'RE GONNA ASK THE BANKS FOR BOTH 15 AND 20 YEAR TERMS, LONGER TERM ASSET.

AND THE AMORTIZATION ON THAT WOULD BE WHAT WE CALL LEVEL PRINCIPLE.

SO THE PRINCIPLE COMPONENT OF YOUR PAYMENT EACH YEAR IS THE SAME.

THEREFORE THE INTEREST IS HIGHEST ON YEAR ONE, AND IT DECLINES.

SO WHEN WE HAVE THAT BORROWING, AND THIS IS REALLY DRIVEN BY THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT COMMISSION'S, UM, REQUIREMENTS, PROTOCOLS FOR THAT TYPE OF A LONG TERM TAX SUPPORTED PROJECT, THE REC CENTER YEAR ONE WILL BE YOUR HIGHEST PAYMENT.

AND THEN IT WILL STEP DOWN OVER THE TERM 15 OR 20 YEARS.

THAT'S WHAT WE CALL LEVEL PRINCIPLE.

UM, AND THEN FINALLY, THE SEWER, UM, PROJECTS THAT, THAT WOULD BE FUNDED THROUGH REVENUE BONDS.

UM, YOU ALL HAVE, AS A CITY, YOU HAVE A REVENUE BOND CREDIT THAT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED, AND YOU'VE USED THAT BEFORE TO FUND WATER, SEWER AND OR ELECTRIC, UM, CAPITAL PROJECTS.

AND, AND, AND THAT TYPE OF A BORROWING, WHAT THE LENDER IS GETTING IS THEY'RE GETTING A LIEN ON YOUR UTILITY REVENUES, NOT, NOT TAXING AUTHORITY AND NOT A LIEN ON AN ASSET.

THEY'RE GETTING A LIEN ON, ON UTILITY REVENUES.

THAT'S THE REVENUE BOND.

IT'S ESTABLISHED.

UH, IT'S, IT'S NOW A VERY EFFICIENT WAY TO FUND THAT TYPE OF A PROJECT.

SO IT WOULD BE SECURED BY THE REVENUES OF THE SYSTEM.

AND THE SYSTEM IS DEFINED AS ELECTRIC WATER AND SEWER AS A LEGAL, UH, PLEDGE OF REVENUES.

BUT IN REALITY, I THINK AS YOU'RE BUDGETING, YOU'LL, YOU'LL MAKE THE PAYMENT FROM THE SEWER FUND.

UM, BUT TO THE BOND HOLDER OR THE LENDER, THEY HAVE A LIEN ON THE REVENUES OF THAT COMBINED SYSTEM.

UM, THAT WILL BE A 15 OR 20 YEAR TERM.

WE'RE GONNA REQUEST BOTH.

AND BECAUSE IT'S A REVENUE BOND FOR UTILITY PURPOSES, WE CAN DO, AGAIN, LEVEL PAYMENT, MORTGAGE STYLE, WHERE EVERY YEAR THE PAYMENT BETWEEN PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST COMBINED IS THE SAME.

SO, SO DIFFERENT TYPES OF FINANCINGS DEPENDING ON THE PROJECT INSTALLMENT VERSUS REVENUE BONDS, DIFFERENT TYPES OF SECURITY AND DIFFERENT TERMS BASED ON THE EXPECTED, USEFUL LIFE OF THE VARIOUS ASSETS.

AND THIS IS ALL, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT A LOT COMING TOGETHER AT ONE TIME, BUT THESE ARE ALL PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD FINANCING APPROACHES IN AND OF THEMSELVES.

UM, WE WOULD HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING RIGHT FOR THE REC CENTER ONLY, AND WE WOULD DO WHAT'S CALLED A PRELIMINARY FINDINGS RESOLUTION.

UM, A LOT GOING ON, ON PAGE FOUR.

UM, BUT HOPEFULLY THIS WILL MAKE SOME SENSE.

UM, WE'LL BE BACK TO YOU POTENTIALLY AT THREE MORE MEETINGS FOR THESE.

SO, UM, LET ME SORT OF BREAK DOWN WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE TH THIS EVENING.

UM, JULY 11TH, YOU ALL HAVE TAKEN ACTION TO CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.

TO SET A PUBLIC HEARING.

UM, THAT'S GOING TO BE HELD ON AUGUST 8TH.

UM, AND THAT PUBLIC HEARING WILL ONLY BE FOR THE REC CENTER.

THAT'S THE ONLY PROJECT WITHIN THE THREE THAT REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE YOU ARE PLEDGING REAL PROPERTY TO A LENDER.

AND THAT'S WHAT THE LAW REQUIRES.

SO THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE FOR THE REC CENTER.

THE OTHER TWO DON'T REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.

WE HAVE DEVELOPED IN WORKING CLOSELY WITH YOUR STAFF AND THE BOND ATTORNEY'S, UH, REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS, RFPS.

WE HAVE ONE FOR VEHICLES, ONE FOR STANLEY, UH, REC CENTER, AND ONE FOR THE REVENUE BOND THAT WE WILL PUT OUT ON YOUR BEHALF TO A WIDE RANGE OF LENDERS.

WE MAINTAIN A VERY BROAD LIST OF LENDERS THAT LOOK AT THESE.

UM, WE'LL BE IN TOUCH WITH THEM.

WE'LL FIELD QUESTIONS.

AND ULTIMATELY WHAT WE'VE PENCILED IN IS AUGUST 3RD TO BRING THOSE RESPONSES BACK.

SO WE'VE SET UP A COMPETITIVE PROCESS, WHAT WE CALL DIRECT BANK LOANS.

AND THIS IS SOMETHING YOU ALL HAVE DONE MANY TIMES BEFORE.

AND WE'RE GONNA BE REQUESTING THROUGH THESE THREE SEPARATE RFPS, PROPOSALS FROM BANKS FOR THE VEHICLE LOAN, THE REC CENTER, AND THE REVENUE BONDS.

THEY CAN BID ON ONE, BOTH, ALL THREE, WHATEVER THEY ARE INTERESTED IN DOING.

WE'RE TRYING TO MAXIMIZE THE RESPONSE RATE ON THAT.

WE HAVE TO SUBMIT, UM, LGC APPLICATIONS FOR THE REC CENTER AND THE SEWER VEHICLES.

THERE'S NO APPLICATION REQUIRED BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT APPROVING THAT.

THAT HAS TO BE IN BY EARLY AUGUST FOR, BECAUSE WE'RE TARGETING THE SEPTEMBER LGC.

THEY ONLY MEET ONCE A MONTH TO APPROVE DEBT.

AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR APPLICATION IN ABOUT A MONTH AHEAD OF TIME.

SO EARLY AUGUST, WE'LL COORDINATE WITH STAFF TO GET THAT IN.

AND THEN WE HAVE THREE POTENTIAL, UH, BOARD MEETINGS.

AUGUST 8TH.

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YOU ALL WOULD CONSIDER A PRELIMINARY FINDINGS RESOLUTION ONE FOR THE REC CENTER AND ONE FOR THE SEWER.

AND THAT WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY THE FIRST OF TWO APPROVALS.

FOR THOSE TWO BARINGS.

YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TWO DIFFERENT APPROVALS.

THE FIRST ONE, UH, BASICALLY IS DOING THINGS LIKE APPROVING THE, UH, SUBMITTAL OF THE APPLICATION AND OTHER SORT OF HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS. I WOULD CALL IT.

TH THOSE AREN'T SPECIFIC TO THE BANK LENDERS THEMSELVES BECAUSE WE'RE ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER THOSE FOR PRELIMINARY FINDINGS BEFORE YOU'VE SEEN THE BANK PROPOSALS.

SO IT'S THE FIRST STEP.

IT'S REQUIRED, BUT IT'S NOT YOUR LAST CHANCE TO, TO VOTE ON THESE BORROWINGS.

YOU'LL HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE.

AND WHEN THAT SECOND VOTE COMES, WHAT'S CALLED THE, WE'RE SHOWING THE FINAL APPROVAL, EITHER ON AUGUST 22ND OR SEPTEMBER 12TH, YOU'LL HAVE ALL OF THE DATA YOU NEED TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION.

SO AUGUST 8TH, UM, PUBLIC HEARING ON THE REC CENTER FINDINGS, RESOLUTION ON THE REC AND REVENUE COMING BACK ON AUGUST 22ND.

AND WE'RE GONNA PRESENT TO YOU ALL THE, THE PROPOSALS WE RECEIVED ON ALL THREE RFPS.

SO WE MIGHT HAVE HAD THREE BANKS ON ONE, FOUR BANKS ON ANOTHER, FIVE ON THE THIRD, WHAT HAVE YOU.

WE'LL PRESENT ALL OF THOSE.

WE WILL HAVE VETTED THOSE VERY THOROUGHLY WITH STAFF.

WE'LL BE PRESENTING A RECOMMENDATION ON EACH OF THE THREE.

AND IT'S AT THAT MEETING WHERE WE'LL LOOK FOR DIRECTION FROM YOU ALL TO GO WITH, YOU KNOW, LENDER ONE, TWO, AND THREE.

WE, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, UM, WE MAY BE ABLE TO GET THE FINAL APPROVALS IN PLACE THAT SAME NIGHT.

UH, IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHICH BANK, UH, IS LIKELY TO BE RECOMMENDED AND WHETHER THOSE DOCUMENTS CAN GET PULLED TOGETHER IN THAT TIME PERIOD.

UM, I'M NOT, I'M NOT ABSOLUTELY COUNTING ON THAT, WHICH IS WHY WE'VE, WE'VE SHOWN THE SEPTEMBER 12TH MEETING AS THE MEETING WHERE YOU COULD TAKE THE FINAL ACTION ON ALL THREE BORROWINGS.

SO, UM, INITIAL ACTIONS IN EARLY AUGUST, SELECTING THE BANKS AT THE AUGUST 22ND MEETING.

PEOPLE GO BACK AND DO THEIR WORK AND PUT THESE FINAL APPROVALS TOGETHER DOCUMENTS, AND YOU CONSIDER THOSE AT YOUR SEPTEMBER 12TH BOARD MEETING.

THAT'S WHEN YOU CAN DECIDE YAY OR NAY ON EACH OF THE THREE.

THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT COMMISSION, UM, WOULD, WOULD TAKE THESE UP AT THEIR SEPTEMBER 12TH MEETING.

AGAIN, IT'S THE REC CENTER AND THE REVENUE BOND.

AND IF THOSE ARE APPROVED, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CLOSE ON ALL OF THOSE LOANS BY THE END OF SEPTEMBER.

YOU'D HAVE THE MONEY IN HAND, YOU HAVE THE MONEY IN HAND.

YOU CAN PAY YOURSELVES BACK FOR ANY MONEY YOU'VE ALREADY FRONTED FOR ANY PROJECTS.

AND THEN YOU CAN JUST PULL DOWN THE FUNDS AS NEEDED FOR EACH PROJECT.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT DOING TAX EXEMPT BORROWING BECAUSE YOUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT, THESE PROJECTS ALL QUALIFY FOR TAX EXEMPT FINANCING.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING FIXED RATES.

UM, WE WOULD EXPECT THAT EACH OF THESE LOANS WILL HAVE SOME ABILITY TO BE PREPAID EARLY WITH THE BANKS.

IT KIND OF DEPENDS ON THE BANK, BUT THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'LL ASSESS WHEN THE PROPOSALS COME IN.

WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THE RATES, THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS, AND COMING UP WITH, UH, WITH A RECOMMENDATION.

I THINK THAT'S ALL WE HAD TO PRESENT.

ANY, ANY QUESTIONS? BOARD HAVE QUESTIONS? YES, YES.

GIVEN, GIVEN THE NATURE OF TODAY'S ECONOMY, IS THIS A GOOD TIME, BAD TIME OR INDIFFERENT TIME TO BE GOING INTO THE MARKETPLACE FOR FINANCING? UM, YOU KNOW, I TALKED TO SOMEBODY OVER THE WEEKEND, FORMER COLLEAGUE OF MINE WHO WAS IN THE BUSINESS FOR A LONG TIME, AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, RATES ARE UP, RATES ARE HIGH.

HE GOES, WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, THEY, THEY MIGHT BE HIGH COMPARED TO A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF AGO, BUT ON A HISTORICAL BASIS, THEY'RE PRETTY DARN ATTRACTIVE.

UM, SO WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT 20 YEARS FIXED RATES, YOU KNOW, FOUR, FOUR AND A HALF PERCENT, JUST AS A, AS A RANGE.

YOU MIGHT SEE A BID COME IN AT 4 75, SUB 5% FIXED RATE FOR 20 YEARS.

UH, YOU KNOW, A YEAR AND A HALF, TWO YEARS AGO MAYBE YOU WERE IN THE THREE PERCENTS OR A LA A LITTLE BIT LOWER.

SO IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU'RE COMPARING IT TO, BUT I THINK OVER A LONGER TERM HISTORICAL, UM, LOOK BACK, THEY'RE STILL ON THE, ON THE, THE LOWER SIDE OF THE AVERAGE.

UM, BUT NOT AS LOW AS THEY WERE A YEAR AGO, A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.

UM, AND, AND WE'LL PAY A LOT OF ATTENTION TO WHAT THE PREPAYMENT ABILITY IS FOR EACH OF THESE LOANS.

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AND, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU, YOU MAY, YOU MAY BE LOCKING IN, BORROWING A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN YOU'D LIKE TO, BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT WE'LL HAVE SOME OPTIONS TO BE ABLE TO PREPAY THOSE OVER SOME PERIOD OF TIME AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF POTENTIAL FUTURE LOWER RATES IF WE SEE THOSE.

NOW, JUST A, A QUICK QUESTION.

FOSTER KIM, IF YOU KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS ON THE, THE 4.9 MILLION FOR THE VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT, UM, ROUGHLY WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THAT IS GENERAL FUND VERSUS THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS? KIM, CAN YOU ANSWER THAT? I THINK WE, I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK UP.

THAT, THAT, THAT'S FINE.

I JUST, JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, IT'S NOT, NOT A CRITICAL, I THINK, I THINK HISTORICALLY THE VAST MAJORITY IS EITHER THE GENERAL FUND, UNLESS THEY'RE BUYING A BIG BUCKET TRUCK OR, AND WE DID OPT TO TO FINANCE SOME OF THE UTILITY VEHICLES SO THAT THEY WERE SO EXPENSIVE THIS YEAR, UH, LOOKING FOR CASH FLOW, BUT IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE CLOSE TO 90% GENERAL FUND.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

I DON'T SEE IT HERE AND IT'S LATE AND I MAY HAVE FORGOTTEN IT, BUT, UH, WHAT ARE WE DOING ABOUT THE CITY HALL FINANCING? HAS THAT ALREADY BEEN DONE? THE ELEVATOR? IT'S ALREADY DONE.

WHAT WAS OUR INTEREST RATE ON THAT? DO YOU KNOW? REMEMBER LESS THAN FOUR? I THINK SO.

I THOUGHT IT WAS LIKE 3 75 MAYBE.

MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 15.

BOARD, HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? I DO HAVE YOUR ANSWER.

THE GENERAL FUNDS ABOUT 2.6, UM, MILLION OF THAT, UM, ENTERPRISE FUNDS.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SIR.

THANK, APPRECIATE IT.

[15. Consider Adopting an Ordinance for the Demolition of 1503 Queen Anne Street]

CONSIDER ADOPTING AN ORDINANCE FOR THE DEMOLITION OF 1503 QUINN QUEEN AND STREET.

MR. PATRICK ZEL, THE BOARD MR. MAYER, PLEASURE TO BE IN THIS EVENING TO PRESENT ANOTHER PACKAGE TO YOU AGAIN ON THIS ONE.

BEFORE WE START ON THERE, UM, YOU SAID QUEEN ANN STREET? MR. MAYER IS ACTUALLY QUEEN ANN LANE FOR THE RECORD.

STILL OCCUPIED? THE GENTLEMAN THAT WAS LIVING THERE IS THE GENTLEMAN THAT WAS LIVING THERE WHEN THE OWNER HAD PASSED AWAY.

IT'S UH, IN OUR AGENDAS QUEEN ANN STREET.

SO YES, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT AREA THERE.

BUT, UH, STAFF IS SEEKING A PROPOSAL OR APPROVAL ON AN ORDER THROUGH THE MILES STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 1503 QUEEN ANNE LANE.

IN THE PAST, STAFF HAS SENT THE OWNER OF RECORD THE INITIAL MINIMUM HOUSING LETTER ON IN OCTOBER OF 2022, STATING THAT THE DWELLING LOCATED AT THAT ADDRESS IS IN DEFICIENCY IN VIOLATION OF THE CITY.

MINIMAL HOUSING CODE STAFF HAS SPOKEN WITH THE NEIGHBORS AS WELL AS SOME OF THE RELATIVE OF THE HOME TO CONTACT THE OWNER AND THEIR KNOWN HEIRS.

THE STAFF HAS MADE CONTACT WITH THE HEIRS IN MARCH OF 2023, WHICH IS IN WHICH THE AREA STATED THEY WANTED NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY AND STATED THAT THE OWNER AT THAT TIME WAS DECEASED.

STAFF FILED A COMPLAINT ON THIS NOTICE APPEARING IN APRIL OF 2023 WITH, UH, CONFIRMED DELIVERY AND CONFIRMATION OF ALL THE APPROPRIATE PAPERWORK ON THAT AS WELL.

AND THEN, UM, ONE OF THE ERRORS HAD A POTENTIAL BUYER ON THE PROPERTY, BUT THAT NEVER CAME THROUGH.

THAT HAPPENED IN APRIL OF 2023, AROUND THE SAME TIME THAT WE HAD THE HEARING ON THIS PROPERTY.

AS A RESULT OF THE HEARING IN APRIL, 2023, THE ORDER OF THE BUILDING INSPECTOR WAS ISSUED AND WAS SERVED TO THE HEIRS WITH ALL THE COMPLIANCES TO GO ALONG WITH THAT AS WELL.

AND WE DECLARED THAT THIS PROPERTY AT THAT TIME WAS IN THE DILAPIDATED STATUS.

WE HAD GIVEN THEM THE TIMEFRAME OF MAY OF 2023 TO BRING THE PROPERTY IN THE COMPLIANCE WITH THEY DID NOT DO THE PROPERTY.

STILL SITTING THERE DILAPIDATED AT THIS TIME.

NO PERMITS HAVE BEEN APPLIED FOR AND THE STRUCTURE STILL REMAINS NONCOMPLIANT.

THE ESTIMATED DEMOLITION COST BY PUBLIC WORKS WAS DONE ON THIS ONE AT $7,590 AND ALL UTILITIES HAVE BEEN TERMINATED AT THIS TIME.

COMPLETE LIST OF THE CHRONOLOGICAL ADVANCES IN YOUR PACKETS AND I'M WILLING TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

BOARD HAVE QUESTIONS IMAN BRINSON, UM, AT, IN YOUR PACKET, UH, AS LATE AS MAY 4TH, THERE WAS SOMEBODY LIVING THERE.

DO WE KNOW IF IT'S

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ACCORDING TO THE GENTLEMAN, HE WAS ABLE TO LIVE THERE WITH NO WRITTEN LEASE FROM THE OWNER.

AT MY LAST CHECKED, THERE WAS NOBODY LIVING THERE.

AND I DID GO DOUBLE CHECK THAT TODAY.

WE FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF ANYBODY LIVING IN THAT HOUSE.

BUT IF THERE IS, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF MAKING SURE THAT PERSON IS REMOVED FROM THE HOUSE BEFORE THE HOUSE IS DEMOLISHED.

AND YOUR PROCESS TO REMOVE IS WHAT? SOME OBJECT TO THE COURTS? YEAH.

AND IF THERE IS SOMEONE LIVING THERE, THEY'RE LIVING THERE ILLEGALLY CAUSE THERE'S NO UTILITIES TURNED ONTO THE BUILDING, CORRECT? CORRECT.

ANOTHER QUESTION, PLEASE.

YOU MENTIONED A POTENTIAL BUYER.

I HAD DISCUSSED WITH MR. HUGHES ABOUT A GENTLEMAN WHO HAD INTEREST IN THIS PROPERTY.

UM, WAS THERE NOT ANY NEGOTIATIONS MADE FURTHER THAN THAT? I CAN'T REMEMBER HIS NAME, BUT I'M SURE YOU ARE AWARE OF HIM.

WHO, WHO SAID HE WANTED TO PURCHASE THIS PROPERTY AND THAT HE WAS WILLING TO ABSORB THE, THE COST TO EVEN, UH, DEMOLISH THE PROPERTY.

THERE WERE ACTUALLY MULTIPLE PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN BUYING THE PROPERTY.

THE FIRST PERSON, I DO NOT REMEMBER HIS NAME, THAT GOT INTO CONVERSATION WITH THE TWO SISTERS.

THERE WERE HEIRS, APPARENTLY RUBBED THE HEIRS THE WRONG WAY.

AND THEIR INITIAL CONTACT WHEN I MADE CONTACT WITH HIM WAS THEY WANTED NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY TO BEGIN WITH AS A FAVOR TO ME.

THEY TALKED TO THIS FIRST GENTLEMAN AND JUST BECAUSE OF A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT DELAYS AND THEY'RE NOT FEELING COMFORTABLE IN THE SITUATION, THEY DECIDED TO WALK AWAY FROM THE FIRST BUYER AND INSTRUCTED ME THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA ENTERTAIN ANY OFFERS FROM ANYBODY ELSE.

IT'S AN UNFORTUNATE FOR THEM.

AND NOT AS, TWO DAYS AGO I CALLED HIM AGAIN CAUSE THERE WAS ANOTHER PERSON THAT REACHED OUT AND SAID, HEY, LET 'EM KNOW.

THE OFFICER'S STILL ON TAPE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? ON ITEM NUMBER 15, MAYOR, I'LL MAKE A, A MOTION TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE FOR THE DEMOLITION OF 1503 QUEEN ANNE AVENUE.

YOU SAID CORRECT, SIR? LANE.

HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION.

I JUST HAVE ONE, UH, MAYBE A PUBLIC WORKS QUESTION IF THIS IS APPROVED AND THE UTILITIES ARE CUT OFF AND THERE'S NOBODY INSIDE, WHAT'S THE TIMELINE ON DEMOLITION? OUR POLICY IS ONCE YOU, ONCE YOU APPROVE THE ORDINANCE, I HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH.

CAUSE WE'RE SENDING IN CITY WORKERS, WE HAVE TO TEST FOR ASBESTOS.

SO IF THERE'S ASBESTOS THERE, THEN THAT ASBESTOS HAS TO BE ABATED.

ONCE THAT ASBESTOS IS ABATED, THEN PUBLIC WORKS CAN USUALLY GET THAT SCHEDULED WITHIN 30 DAYS.

VERY GOOD.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? IF NOT, UH, HAVE A ROLL CALL STARTING WITH ALDERMAN BEST? ALDERMAN BEST? YES.

ALDERMAN BRINSON? YES.

IT'S ON THE DEMOLITION OF 1503.

[16. Consider Adopting an Ordinance to Establish the Stanley White Recreation Center Project.]

NUMBER 16.

CONSIDER ADOPTING AN ORDINANCE TO ESTABLISH THE STANLEY, A WHITE RECREATION CENTER PROJECT.

MS. OSTROM.

UM, THE CITY HAS RECEIVED $500,000 IN INSURANCE PROCEEDS AND A ALLOCATED 7 MILLION.

$7,506,659 FROM FEMA TO REBUILD THE STANLEY WHITE REC CENTER ON MAY.

ON MAY 23RD, 2023, THE BOARD AUTHORIZED EXECUTION OF A $13,180,400 CONTRACT WITH TA LOVING FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE FACILITY.

THIS ORDINANCE WILL ESTABLISH THE PROJECT FUND UTILIZING THE INSURANCE PROCEEDS, FEMA FUNDS, AND THE DEBT PROCEEDS.

IT'S A PLEASURE.

THE BOARD.

ON ITEM NUMBER 16, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE TO ESTABLISH THE STANLEY WHITE REC CENTER, EXCUSE ME, PROJECT FUND.

SECOND, SECOND.

HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ORDINANCE.

BRISSON.

ITEM NUMBER 17, CONSIDER DOCUMENT RESOLUTION APPROVING A DECLARATION OF INTENT TO

MUST HAVE A ROLL CALL STARTING WITH ALDERMAN B BRINSON.

[Items 17 - 19]

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REIMBURSE THE STANLEY A WHITE RECREATION CENTER PROJECT.

MS. OSTROM, AS DISCUSSED EARLIER WITH THE PRESENTATION, UM, IT'S NECESSARY TO ADOPT A DECLARATION OF IN OFFICIAL INTENT TO REIMBURSE PRIOR TO INCURRING EXPENSES FOR THE STANLEY WHITE REC CENTER PROJECT.

DOING SO ALLOWS THE CITY TO PAY ITSELF BACK FOR ITEMS PAID FOR THE PRI FOR PRIOR PAID PRIOR TO OBTAINING, UM, FINANCING, SORRY, IT'S LATE .

THE COST OF THE PROJECT WILL BE PAID THROUGH A COMBINATION OF INSURANCE PROCEEDS FEMA FUNDING AND DEBT FINANCING NOT TO EXCEED $10 MILLION.

UH, IF THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD, UH, WE COULD ACTUALLY DO SEVEN 18 AND 19 TOGETHER IF YOU WANT TO GIVE US AN UPDATE ON 18 AND 19 AS WELL.

UM, 18 IS A APPROVING, A DECLARATION OF INTENT TO REIMBURSE FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 24 VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT.

AGAIN, AS WE TALKED EARLIER DURING THE, UM, PRESENTATION, UM, IT INCLUDES THE PURCHASE OF VEHICLE CLEAN EQUIPMENT, CAPITAL ITEMS TOTAL 4.8 MILLION.

UM, IT'S NECESSARY TO ADOPT A DECLARATION OF OFF OFFICIAL INTENT TO REIMBURSE PRIOR TO INCURRING EXPENSES FOR THOSE PURCHASES.

UM, AND IT ALLOWS THE CITY TO PAY ITSELF BACK AND IT WAS FOR, UM, $4,817,506.

WE ALSO HAVE, UM, UM, NUMBER 19, A RESOLUTION APPROVING A DECLARATION OF INTENT TO REIMBURSE THE NORTHWEST INTERCEPTOR REHABILITATION PHASE TWO PROJECT.

UM, THE FUND WAS ESTABLISHED ON APRIL 26TH, 2022, AND A CONTRACT TENTATIVELY AWARDED TO INS TWO FOUR FORM TECHNOLOGIES IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,244,166 AND 60 CENTS ON JUNE 12TH, 2023.

THE PROJECT WILL BE FUNDED WITH $230,000 IN ARPA FUNDS AND THE REMAINDER WILL BE, UM, FINANCED.

IT'S NECESSARY TO ADAPT A DECLARATION OF OFFICIAL INTENT TO REIMBURSE PRIOR TO INCURRING EXPENSES FOR THOSE PURCHASES.

OKAY, MR. MURPHY, THERE'S NO QUESTIONS.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT SEVERAL RESOLUTIONS APPROVING A DECLARATION OF INTENT TO REIMBURSE THE STANLEY WHITE RECREATION CENTER PROJECT, THE F Y 24 VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT AND THE NORTHWEST INTERCEPTOR REHABILITATION PHASE TWO PROJECT.

THAT I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ITEM NUMBER 20, CONSIDER ADOPTING A BUDGET ORDINANCE AMENDMENT FOR FY 2324.

LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL STARTING WITH ALDERMAN PRILL ALDERMAN.

[20. Consider Adopting a Budget Ordinance Amendment for Fiscal Year 2023-24.]

MS. OSTROM, THIS ORDINANCE AMENDS THE FY 2324 GENERAL FUND OPERATING BUDGET BY APPROPRIATING 360,000 FROM FUND BALANCE FOR STREET RESURFACING AND $220,000 FOR SIDEWALK AND CURB IMPROVEMENTS.

THESE FUNDS WERE BUDGETED IN FY 2223, BUT SINCE THE PROJECTS WERE NOT COMPLETED, THE UN ENCUMBERED FUNDS WERE RETURNED TO THE GENERAL FUNDS FUND BALANCE.

THE AMENDMENT ALSO APPROPRIATE.

62,000 FROM FUND BALANCE FOR ANTICIPATED OVERTIME IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND $189,000 FOR AN INCREASE IN PROPERTY EQUIPMENT INSURANCE.

COST BOARD.

HAVE QUESTIONS? YES.

UM, WHAT IS THE, UM, SIDEWALK, UM, SIDEWALK FROM CURB IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, UM, FUNDS NOW SINCE THESE FUNDS WERE, UM, NOT USED WITH THE CURRENT, UM, 2324 BUDGET FOR SIDEWALKS.

MR. CHILDS? UH, GOOD EVENING, GORD.

UM, YES.

THE, THE F Y 23 FOR THE SIDEWALK WE ACTUALLY JUST RECEIVED THIS WEEK THE FINAL PLANS FOR THESE ENGINEER DESIGN SETS FOR THE SIDEWALK THAT'S GONNA GO DOWN LOW BOULEVARD THAT WOULD CONNECT, UM, THE SOUTHGATE COMMUNITY TO, UM, TO THE SHOPPING AREAS DOWN TO THE CLOSER TO HIGHWAY 17.

AND WE ANTICIPATE BIDING THOSE OUT SEVERAL WEEKS AND FULFILLING THAT, THAT OBLIGATION THAT SO THAT'S WHAT THOSE FUNDS WILL BE.

FOR MA'AM? YES, MA'AM.

JUST AS THEY WERE INTENDED.

THANK YOU GEORGE.

IT'S PLEASURE OF THE BOARD ON ITEM NUMBER 20.

MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT BUDGET ORDINANCE AMENDMENT FOR FISCAL YEAR 2020 3 24.

I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION.

HEARING NONE.

LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL STARTING WITH DERMAN ROYAL.

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[21. Appointment(s). ]

ITEM NUMBER 21.

UM, GOT SEVERAL APPOINTMENTS.

I'M GONNA RUN THROUGH THESE AS THEY'RE LISTED IN OUR PACKAGE.

UM, AND THEN IF THERE'S ANY I MISSED, WE'LL COME BACK TO THOSE.

SO THE FIRST ONE I HAVE IS DERMAN ROYAL, UH, APPOINTMENT TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT FOR PETER DILLON.

I AM STILL CURRENTLY WAITING TO HEAR FROM SOME INTERESTED PARTIES.

HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT MR. UM, MIKE DUFFY REMAIN AS THE ALTERNATE FOR THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR MIKE DUFFY TO BE REAPPOINTED AS AN ALTERNATE FOR THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? I HAVE A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

MIKE DUFFY AND KATHLEEN MARTY.

ANY OPPOSED? OKAY.

UM, WE ALSO, LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE, WE HAD TWO, UH, ALTERNATES.

MM-HMM.

UH, DOES ANYONE HAVE, UH, ANY, ANYONE FOR MS. KATHLEEN MARTY'S SEAT? I HAVE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO HER.

I HAVE REACHED OUT TO HER.

PERHAPS BY THE NEXT MEETING I WILL HAVE A ANSWER FROM HER.

VERY GOOD.

MOVING ON, UH, ALDERMAN ROYAL, YOU HAVE ANOTHER ONE TO THE P C FOR RUTH.

DR.

RUTH COX'S TERM.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR MR. RICHARD PARSONS TO SERVE ON THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.

HE IS A RESIDENT OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND, UH, HE IS FAMILIAR WITH THE DISTRICT GUIDELINES.

HE'S COMMITTED TO, UH, PRESERVATION.

HE HAS PRIOR EXPERIENCE WITH THE HISTORIC, UH, DISTRICT AND HE WAS A PAST MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS.

SO I HAVE A MOTION FOR MR. MR. RICHARD PARSONSON.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? OKAY.

MR. PARSONS IS ON ALDER MCKENZIE.

YOU HAVE AN OPENING FOR RAYMOND LAYTON'S TERM ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD? I HAVEN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY, SIR.

I'LL NEXT TIME.

UH, ALDERMAN BRINSON, YOU ALSO HAVE ONE FOR PLANNING AND ZONING FOR PAT DOHERTY'S TERM.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO DEFER MINE.

UH, NEXT WE HAVE, UH, STILL HAVE, IS IT ONE TERM OR TWO FOR CIVIL SERVICE BOARD? WE HAVE ONE.

ONE.

UM, I HAD SHARED, UH, A RESUME THAT I HAD RECEIVED.

UM, UH, THE BOARD HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THAT OR NOT.

MAYOR, I WOULD, I I HAVE AND I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, RECOMMEND A RICHARD SCHULTZ OF 1 0 7 OREGON COURT, UM, TO THE POLICE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD.

MR. SCHULTZ HAS SEVERAL YEARS EXPERIENCE IN POLICE ADMINISTRATION.

I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND FOR MR. SCHULTZ.

TO DO THIS IS TO HAVE A BALLOT FOR ALL SEVEN OF US.

ANY OPPOSED? HE IS APPROVED.

UM, WE'VE GOT JUST A REMINDER ABOUT THE APPOINTMENTS FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION.

UH, I BELIEVE THOSE, UH, WE WILL MAKE AT THE NEXT BOARD OF DERMAN MEETING TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT FILLING A TERM THAT IS NOT YET EXPIRED.

SO, JUST A REMINDER ON THAT ONE.

AND DID I MISS ANY? NO.

DERMAN, BRISON.

I FORGOT YOU HAVE YOUR, UH, COMMITTEE.

GO AHEAD, SIR.

SO AS, UM, I'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS, UM, I STANDING UP THE VI AND PEDESTRIAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UM, WE PASSED THE ORDINANCE SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.

UH, STANDING UP THAT COMMITTEE, I'VE BEEN BOTH RECRUITING AND RECEIVING INTEREST AND I HAVE PASSED THE RESUMES OF ALL THAT HAVE SUBMITTED THEM TO YOU.

AND I'LL JUST READ OUT THE NAMES.

UM, WILLIAM HAND, HENRY GLASSBERG, ROB OVERMAN, UH, STEVEN CLAYTON, MARY DAVIDSON, MARK WILLIAMSON, BILL SADLER, BEN LINDEMAN, VIRGINIA SPENCER, UH, RECEIVED INTEREST FROM DANNY BATTEN, BUT HE DID NOT SUBMIT A RESUME.

UH, STUART FLE JR.

AND JOHN BACK.

AND, UM, I GUESS, AND I ALSO PROVIDED TO YOU WHAT WARDS THEY WERE IN OR WHAT COMMUNITY THEY WERE IN, IF THEY WERE NOT IN THE CITY OF NEW BERN.

AND KIND OF SUMMARIZE THEIR EXPERIENCE.

AND IN TALKING WITH, UH, BOTH THE MAYOR AND THE ATTORNEY, WE THOUGHT THAT THE BEST WAY

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YOU ESSENTIALLY WOULD VOTE FOR FIVE PEOPLE.

AND THEN THE, UH, CLERK WILL TALLY, UH, THE, UH, I GUESS THE WINNERS OF, OF THE BEING APPOINTED TO THE BOARD.

AND THEN, UH, MY RECOMMENDATION FURTHER IS THOSE THAT RECEIVE THE MOST RECOMMENDATIONS.

SINCE THERE ARE VARIOUS TERMS, THERE'S TWO AT THREE YEARS.

TWO AT TWO YEARS, AND ONE AT ONE YEAR.

BASICALLY THE PRECEDENT WE SET THE MOST VOTES WOULD RECEIVE THE LONGEST TERM.

IF THERE ARE TIES FOR THAT, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO ADJUDICATE THAT SEPARATELY.

SAY ALL THAT CORRECTLY.

SO DOES ANY EVERYONE GOOD WITH THAT? I, THAT'S A FAIR WAY TO DO IT SINCE WE HAVE SO MANY OPENINGS.

SO DOES THE CLERK HAVE BALLOTS? OKAY.

AND WE ALSO HAVE HARD COPIES OF THE RESUMES.

IF YOU, UH, WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT THEM ONE LAST TIME.

AS A REMINDER, THE BALLOTS ARE PUBLIC RECORD.

WHILE THE CLERK IS DOING THAT, IN THE EVENT WE DO HAVE A TIE, WE'LL JUST RE-VOTE, UM, TO, TO RESOLVE WHATEVER TIE THERE MAY OR THANK YOU.

WE GOT SECURITY THAT'S GONNA TAKE THESE BALLOTS UP.

THANK YOU SIR.

IF IT'S OKAY, UH, WITH THE BOARD WHILE THE CLERK TALLIES THOSE UP, WE'LL MOVE ON THROUGH THE AGENDA.

CAUSE I'M SURE EVERYONE'S READY TO GET OUTTA HERE.

SO, UH, NEXT ITEM IS

[22. Attorney’s Report. ]

THE ATTORNEY'S REPORT.

NOTHING FOR TONIGHT, MAYOR.

BLOOMFIELD LOT AND THE ADJOINING PROPERTIES, AS WELL AS TAKE BACK THE THREE, WHAT'S REMAINING OF THE $350,000 THAT WERE ALLOCATED FOR THE WELLNESS CENTER FOR THE CITY TO BUILD THAT FACILITY.

CITY MANAGER'S

[23. City Manager's Report]

REPORT.

COUPLE OF THINGS FOR YOU.

UH, AT THE LAST MEETING WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE BP PROJECT AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A FULL UPDATE FOR YOU ON THE FIRST MEETING IN SEPTEMBER.

WE, UH, 4TH OF JULY HOLIDAY, UH, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO COMPILE AS MUCH INFORMATION AS WE WANTED TO, IF WE'LL HAVE FULL INFORMATION FOR YOU AT THAT TIME.

UH, THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION HELD A SPECIAL CALL MEETING ON JUNE 28TH, AND DURING THAT MEETING, THEY ASKED THE CITY TO HANDLE THE BIDDING PROCESS FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE SPEC HOUSE PROJECT ON JONES STREET.

UH, SO WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BOARD HAD NO ISSUES WITH, WITH, UH, THE STAFF DOING THAT.

UM, AND SO JUST LIKE TO GET SOME DIRECTION FROM YOU IF YOU WERE, IF YOU HAD NO ISSUES WITH THAT.

I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR THAT.

WOULD YOU REPEAT IT PLEASE? YES.

AT THE SPECIAL CALL MEETING OF THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, UH, THAT'S BOARD VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO ASK THE, UH, CITY STAFF TO HANDLE THE BIDDING PROCESS FOR THE JONES STREET PROPERTY WITH THE THREE SPEC HOUSES.

UM, THEY FELT IT WOULD BE, UH, BE EASIER FOR STAFF TO, TO ADDRESS THAT AS OPPOSED TO THE COMMISSION TO DO THAT.

AND THAT'S ALL WE WOULD BE DOING IS JUST THE BIDDING PROCESS.

ANY ACTION FROM US? OR JUST, JUST GIVE DIRECTION SAYING YOU HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THAT.

I, I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THAT.

I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH IT.

QUESTIONS? I'M GOOD.

ARE ARE YOU SURE THAT THEY THAT'S ALL THAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR? I, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT, THANK YOU.

THEY WANT TO KIND OF TURN THE WHOLE PROCESS OVER OF MANAGING THE FACILITY TO THE CITY AS WELL.

WE'VE GOT ONE MORE ITEM, WHICH IS THE WELLNESS CENTER.

SO WE'RE NOT AT THAT ONE YET.

THAT ABOUT THE, BUT IN TERMS OF THE JONES STREET PROPERTY, THAT'S, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THAT'S ALL THEY'VE ASKED, ASKED MY, MY APOLOGIES.

THAT'S ALL THEY WERE ASKING.

THEY, THEY, THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE RULES AND THE REGULATIONS AND ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH OUR MONEY, THEY JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DID EVERYTHING CORRECTLY.

ANY DISCUSSION OR COMMENTS? AUTUMN AND KENZIE? BEST PRI AND THEN ROYAL, I DIDN'T HEAR IF YOU WERE OKAY WITH THAT.

AND THEN THE NEXT ITEM IS THEY VOTED TO ASK THE, ASK THAT THE CITY, UH, RECEIVE THE

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UH, AND UH, THEY, THEY RECOGNIZED THAT BASICALLY WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION STATE STATUTES, THEY WERE LIMITED IN WHAT THEY COULD AND COULD NOT DO.

THE CITY HAS, UM, SOME BROADER AUTHORITY TO BE ABLE TO DO SOME THINGS.

THEY FELT THAT WITH THE CITY BUILDING, THAT UH, IT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE IN A MORE EFFICIENT MANNER.

UM, THEY'RE STILL ON BOARD WITH WANTING TO PARTNER TO, TO FIND OTHER ENTITIES TO, TO, TO MANAGE THE CENTER, BUT THEY WANTED TO GET THIS PROJECT OFF THE GROUND.

SO WANTED TO HEAR YOUR COMMENTS ON THAT.

I'LL JUST, UM, I'LL SHARE WITH THE BOARD THAT, UH, I THINK YOU ALL KNOW MR. REGGIE JONES.

REGGIE HAS BEEN A COMMUNITY ADVOCATE TO TRY TO GET THIS BUILDING PUSHED THROUGH FOR A LONG TIME.

UM, HE CONTINUES TO PUSH AND THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION CONTINUES TO FIND OUT, UH, WHAT THEIR LIMITATIONS ARE AND THINGS THAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T DO.

UM, THEY CAN'T OWN THE FACILITY, THEY CAN'T LEASE THE FACILITIES AND THEY CERTAINLY CAN'T OPERATE THE FACILITY.

SO, UH, WHAT THEY'VE ASKED IS FOR THE CITY TO STEP IN.

AND I WANNA, UM, I WANNA BE CAREFUL THAT I'M ASSUMING WE'LL PROBABLY MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS FOR PROGRESS HERE, BUT I WANNA BE CAREFUL THAT WE DON'T DIMINISH THE WORK THAT THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION HAS DONE ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.

CAUSE THEY'VE DONE A LOT.

THEY'VE HAD A COUPLE OF COMMITTEES, UH, FOR HEALTH AND WELLNESS.

UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF BACKGROUND WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE.

THEY'VE MADE A LOT OF CONNECTIONS.

WE HAD A MEETING A WEEK BEFORE LAST, UH, WITH NORTH CAROLINA CENTRAL UNIVERSITY WHO HAS SOME FUNDING THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR SOME PROGRAMMING.

UM, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT'S BEEN INVOLVED, THE HOSPITAL'S BEEN INVOLVED, AND THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF GOOD POSITIVE MOMENTUM GOING FORWARD.

UH, THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION JUST DOESN'T HAVE THE LEGAL ABILITY, UM, AS WELL AS THE REALLY THE, I GUESS THE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WORD IS I'M LOOKING FOR, BUT SAME THING WITH THE HOUSE.

YEAH, YEAH.

THE, THE, THE WHEREWITHAL.

LIKE JUST SAME SITUATION WITH THE HOUSE, THE GOING THROUGH THE BIDDING PROCESS AND ALL.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE NOT REALLY SET UP TO DO.

UH, SO THEY'VE ASKED US TO DO THAT.

NOW, AGAIN, IF, IF THE BOARD GIVES THE OKAY DIRECTION FOR THAT STILL DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE COMMITTED TO DO THIS.

IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE SAYING, YES, WE'RE GOING TO BUILD THIS.

YES, WE'RE GONNA OPERATE IT, BUT IT'S JUST SAYING YES, IN THE SPIRIT OF MOVING FORWARD WITH THE CONCEPT, WE'RE GONNA DO THAT INSTEAD OF THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION WHO ESSENTIALLY CANNOT DO IT.

SO, DID I MISS ANYTHING? NO, YOU'RE CORRECT.

SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO TAKE ON AS A BOARD? UH, I'LL SPEAK UP AND SAY I'M FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE PREVIOUS BOARD STARTED.

UH, WE ORIGINALLY ALLOCATED $250,000 IN A FUTURE MEETING.

WE ALLOCATED ANOTHER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.

SO THE TOTAL BUDGET IS THREE 50.

UM, THE, THE HOUSE WHERE THE LOCATION, THEY'VE ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY, CAUSE IT WAS ORIGINALLY STARTING WITH THE MACAU HOUSE, REALIZED THAT WASN'T GONNA WORK.

SO THEY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY BEHIND IT SO THEY WOULD HAVE ENOUGH GROUND TO DO WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO.

FROM COTTER HOUSE HAS BEEN DEMOLISHED, THE LAND'S BEEN CLEARED OFF.

UM, SO I MEAN, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CERTAINLY, IT'S A, IT'S A COMMITMENT THAT ESSENTIALLY THE PREVIOUS BOARD MADE TO THE COMMUNITY AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US FOLLOW THROUGH WITH AND NOT FALL SHORT OF THAT COMMITMENT.

SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT THE EFFORTS, EFFORTS THAT, UH, UH, MR. JONES HAS BEEN WORKING TOWARD IN GETTING HIS SELF FACILITY TOGETHER, THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE PUSHING FOR? A HUNDRED PERCENT, YES, SIR.

I'M WITH THAT ONE OTHER QUESTION FOR CLARITY.

YOU SAID THAT EVEN IF WE GIVE DIRECTION TONIGHT, IT DOES NOT MEAN WE'RE GOING TO, AND YOU NAMED OUT SEVERAL THINGS.

PROBABLY EVEN BUILDING THE BUILDING.

I THINK WE, IN THE SPIRIT OF WHAT'S HAPPENED SO FAR, THE PREVIOUS BOARD ALLOCATED THE $350,000 AND THE DEEDED THE PROPERTY OF THE MCCOTTER HOUSE TO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, WHICH IS NOW IN THEIR NAME, THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION PURCHASED THE PROPERTY BEHIND IT, AND THAT'S ALSO IN THEIR NAME.

SO WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS THEY WANT TO GIVE THE CITY THE PROPERTY AND GIVE US THE $350,000 BACK SO WE CAN THEN MOVE FORWARD WITH WHATEVER PROCESS OR PROCEDURE THAT IT WOULD TAKE TO TAKE THE NEXT STEP.

DOESN'T MEAN THAT WHEN WE TAKE THIS BACK, EVERYTHING'S GONNA BE SIGNED ON THE DOTTED LINE AND WE'RE, WE'RE, WE HAVE TO DO THAT.

BUT THAT'S BEEN THE SPIRIT ALL ALONG WITH THAT MONEY AND THAT PROPERTY.

I THINK WE'RE A LONG WAYS AWAY FROM SOMETHING REALLY HAPPENING.

UM, BUT WE'RE A LOT CLOSER THAN WE HAVE BEEN.

AND SO IF, IF YOU GIVE DIRECTION THAT YOU WANT TO PROCEED WITH THIS, THIS WILL BE ON THE NEXT AGENDA.

I GUESS.

I I HAVE NO ISSUES TAKING THE PROPERTY AND THE MONEY BACK AND

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I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS CITY SHOULD BE MANAGING IT SO THAT I'M JUST, I COMPLETELY AGREE.

I HAVE NO DESIRE FOR THE CITY TO GET INTO THAT BUSINESS AT ALL.

I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF PARTNERSHIPS THAT'S GONNA COME OUT OF THIS.

BUT TYPICALLY WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING IS THEY'VE BEEN HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH DUKE AND NC CENTRAL AND THEY'VE ALL SAID, WELL, WHERE'S YOUR BUILDING? WHERE'S YOUR FACILITY? YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE PROGRAMMING AND THE STAFFING, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMEWHERE TO PUT IT.

AND THEN THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSIONS, ESPECIALLY THE, THE HEALTH AND WELLNESS COMMITTEE IS SAYING, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO BUILD IT, BUT WE HAVEN'T BUILT IT YET.

SO THAT'S KIND OF THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG SITUATION.

BUT I AGREE, I HAVE NO DESIRE WHATSOEVER FOR THE CITY TO OPERATE THIS.

I'M LIKE YOU ALL MEMBER MEDICINE.

I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT WE SHOULD TAKE.

I IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA.

WELL, THE CITY'S NOT GONNA BUILD THE, THE THE CENTER, I MEAN, THAT IS A GO THROUGH A BID PROCESS FOR A CONTRACTOR.

NO, MA'AM.

BUT WE TALKING ABOUT MANAGING THE OH, OF COURSE.

NO, I HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE YET.

EXCUSE ME.

UM, OF COURSE, THE CITY'S NOT GONNA BUILD THE PROPERTY.

IT'LL BE CONTRACTED OUT.

UM, AND FOR AS MANAGEMENT OF THE CENTER, THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION HAS SPOKE ON NUMEROUS TIMES ABOUT THEY HAVE THEIR, THEIR, UH, DIFFERENT AGENCIES THAT WAS GONNA SUPPORT THAT CENTER FOR THE SERVICES THAT THEY PROVIDE.

SO I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE CITY TAKING THE MONEY BACK.

AS LONG AS THAT PROPERTY IS BUILT, THAT CENTER IS BUILT.

AND I KNOW MR. ARI WALLACE, UH, ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS IS REAL ADAMANT ABOUT HIM.

AND MR. JONES WORKED REALLY HARD ON FINDING THESE, UM, THESE SPONSORS, THESE, UH, UNC AND OTHER, I DON'T EVEN CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER ALL OF THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES THAT'S GONNA SUPPORT THEM.

SO I, I'M FOR THIS CENTER AND I HOPE THIS CENTER GETS BUILT.

YOU KNOW, I MAYOR, WHEN YOU SAY YOU DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO BE BUILT, I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WELL, THE REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE IF FOUR MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD TAKE THE PROPERTY BACK AND THE MONEY AND DECIDE THEY DON'T WANNA DO IT, THEN THIS IS THE PLEASURE OF THIS BOARD.

SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE GET THE PROPERTY AND THE MONEY BACK, IT'S UP TO THIS BOARD TO MAKE THAT DECISION.

I HOPE THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

WELL, WELL, WELL, THAT'S WHY I'M, I'M, I'M ALLUDING TO THAT, SO I HOPE THAT THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE.

UM, SO, WELL, I, MY STATEMENT, UM, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH TAKING THE MONEY BACK AS LONG AS THE BUILDING IS BUILT AND THAT CENTER IS STANDING.

I THINK, UH, THE MANAGER JUST SAID IF, IF WE GIVE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE OKAY TO HAVE IT ON THE NEXT AGENDA, THEN THEY'LL HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA.

WE'LL TAKE ACTION.

I AGREE.

YOU GOT, YOU GOT A GOOD SOLID FOUR OR FIVE, MAYBE SIX, POSSIBLY SEVEN.

IS THAT ALL YOU HAVE? THAT'S ALL I HAVE, SIR.

ALL

[24. New Business. ]

UH, NEW BUSINESS, STARTING WITH ALDERMAN PRIL.

I HAVE NO NEW BUSINESS.

ALDERMAN ASTER? NOTHING TONIGHT.

ALDERMAN ROYAL, NO NEW BUSINESS.

ALDER MACKENZIE? NOTHING TONIGHT.

ALDERMAN BEST? YES, I DO.

MR. HUGHES? YES, MA'AM.

AND MR. CHILDS IS STILL HERE.

I DON'T LIKE TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.

UM, MR. CHILDS, IF YOU COULD COME FORWARD PLEASE AND MR. HUGHES, BUT I, WHEN I GET COMPLAINTS FROM MY CONSTITUENTS ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS IN THIS CITY THAT I HAVE ASKED THIS, UM, TO BE, AND I, AND I'LL BE SPECIFIC.

MR. CHILDS EVERGREEN CEMETERY.

I HAVE ASKED NUMEROUS TIMES, WHEN WERE YOU GONNA GET THE DEBRIS UP FRONT, WHICH IS A NUISANCE OF EYESORE FOR OUR CITIZENS THAT COME IN AND BURY THEIR LOVED ONES.

THERE'S A LOG THAT'S BEEN LAYING THERE FOR YEARS OF ROTTEN LOG DEBRIS.

AND THEN IF YOU GO TO THE BACK OF THE CEMETERY, THERE'S A FENCE THAT'S BROKEN, BEEN BROKEN DOWN, AND IT'S OVERGROWN VEGETATION AND THE SHELTER FRONT WHERE CITIZENS HAVE TO STAND UNDER WHEN IT'S RAINING.

IF A FUNERAL IS GOING ON AT THE TIME IT'S LEAKING.

I'VE ASKED FOR THIS TO BE REPAIRED, SO WHY, WHAT IS THE DELAY? I, WHAT IS DELAY? CAN YOU GIMME SOME ANSWER? WHAT IS THE DELAY? SO IN, IN GETTING THESE, THESE, I, I CAN, I CAN ISSUES CORRECT.

, UH, BEST I CAN ADDRESS THE, THE SHELTER.

I KNOW THAT LAST SUMMER STAFF WENT IN THERE AND PAINTED AND DID SOME WORK ON IT.

IF IT'S LEAKING, THEN WE'LL MAKE SURE THE STAFF GOES BACK OUT THERE AND CHECKS THAT OUT AGAIN.

UM, YOU PAINTED IT? YES, MA'AM.

THEY DID.

WHAT COLOR DID YOU PAINT IT? .

I THINK IT WAS A BLACK THAT THEY PAINTED.

I THINK IT, YOU NEED TO GO TAKE A, YOU NEED TO TAKE A LOOK.

GO BACK OVER AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

PLEASE, SIR.

I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.

THE VEGETATIVE DEBRIS, I'LL GET WITH PARKS AND WRECKING AND, AND CHECK, THEY USUALLY DO THE MOWING IN THAT FACILITY, BUT THERE'S SOME HEAVIER STUFF THAT WE NEED TO REMOVE FOR THEM IF I NEED TO MEET THEM OVER THERE TO DIRECT THEM TO THE AREA WHERE I'M SPEAKING OF.

AND, AND REGARDING

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I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY CAN MISS IT, BUT I WILL MEET YOU OVER THERE.

YES, MA'AM.

I'M CERTAINLY FACILITATE THAT TO PINPOINT THE AREAS I I'M CERTAINLY FACILITATE.

I WOULD APPRECIATE IT, SIR.

AND I'M QUITE SURE MY, OUR CITIZENS AND CONSTITUENTS WOULD APPRECIATE AS WELL.

THANK, THAT'S ALL I HAVE, SIR.

DERMAN BRESSON, UH, I'LL JUST STATE FOR THE RECORD I SENT YOU GUYS A, UH, SUMMARY OF THE MEETING OF THE CRAVEN COUNTY OPIOID TASK FORCE.

AND THEIR NEW, UH, A DESIGNATION AND THEIR ANNUAL MEETING.

SO YOU HAVE THAT ON, ON EMAIL IS ANNUAL MEETING HOSTED BY THE CRAVEN COUNTY BASICALLY TO TALK ABOUT THE PROGRAMS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO, UH, FUND AND ADMINISTER AS PART OF THE OPIOID CENTER.

AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

UH, I HAVE NOTHING TONIGHT.

DO WE NEED TO CLOSE SESSION? UH, NO SIR.

WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR OUR VOTES.

OH, SORRY, I FORGOT ABOUT IT.

THERE ARE THREE WHO HAVE FIVE.

MARY DAVIDSON, WILLIAM HAND, AND ROB OVERMAN.

STUART FLIGHT HAS FOUR VOTES.

AND THEN HERE'S WHERE YOU HAVE TO DECIDE AGAIN.

THERE ARE THREE WITH THREE VOTES AND I'M GONNA BUTCHER HIS LAST NAME.

HENRY G GLASSBERG, BILL SADLER, AND VIRGINIA.

SPENCER.

AND I CAN TELL YOU WHO HAS TWO AND ONE.

AND CAN YOU RUN THROUGH THOSE AGAIN REAL QUICK? SURE.

WITH FIVE VOTES EACH.

MARY DAVIDSON, WILLIAM HAN, AND ROB OVERMAN WITH FOUR VOTES.

STUART FLIGHT WITH THREE VOTES.

HENRY G GLASSBERG, BILL SADLER, AND VIRGINIA.

SPENCER, WE NEED TO TAKE THE LAST THREE DOWN TO ONE CORRECT.

TO FILL OUT FIVE.

THAT'S CORRECT.

AND IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, UM, STEVEN CLAYTON, BEN LINDEMAN, AND MARK WILLIAMSON HAD TWO AND DANNY BATTEN HAD ONE, AND THEN JOHN BECKER DID NOT RECEIVE ANYTHING.

SO COULD JOT DOWN THOSE THREE NAMES.

THAT MIGHT BE THE EASIEST.

AND JUST SUBMIT THE BALLOT TO THE CLERK.

DO YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL BALLOTS OR, SO THIS IS THE NAME OF THE THREE, UH, APPLICANTS WITH FIVE VOTES.

THEY'RE ALREADY SEATED NOW.

SO THOSE, THE TOP OH, THAT'S RIGHT.

SO WE'RE, WE NEED TO TAKE THE THREE THREE DOWN.

THREE DOWN TO ONE.

DOWN TO ONE.

SO WE, WE CAN ONLY VOTE ON THE THREE ONE VOTE.

SO YOU GUYS, ONE, YOU CAN CHECK ONE BOX, BUT IT CAN ONLY BE FOR ONE OF THE THREE.

FOR ONE OF THOSE THREE.

AND ALDERMAN BRENTON MENTIONED, UM, REFRESH ME SIR.

ARE THERE TWO SEATS THAT ROTATE FOR THREE, THREE YEARS? TWO, TWO OR THREE YEARS? TWO OR TWO YEARS.

WHEN YOU NEED TO UNTANGLE OF THE THREE THAT GOT THE HIGHEST VOTE, WHO DOESN'T GET THE FULL TERM? THE LONGEST TERM? RIGHT.

UM, I'LL, ANYBODY IS OPEN TO DO THIS.

I'M NOT TRYING TO, UM, TAKE THIS DISCUSSION OVER, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT OF THE THREE GENTLEMEN, UH, OR THE THREE PEOPLE THAT LEFT, UM, BILL SADLER, UH, I KNOW HAS BEEN EXTREMELY INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS FROM THE FIRST TIME THAT THERE WAS A VIKING PEDESTRIAN PLAN.

UM, YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN HIM, HE BIKES ALL OVER THE CITY.

UM, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU IF YOU'RE, YOU DON'T REALLY CARE.

UM, I, I'M, I'M PUTTING MY SUPPORT BEHIND MR. SADLER CAUSE I THINK HE'D BE A TREMENDOUS ASSET.

DO YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON THE OTHER TWO, MR. HENRY AND MR. VIRGINIA? NOT, UH, NOT OTHER THAN THEIR, UM, RESUMES THAT THEY PROVIDED AND NOTHING AGAINST THEM.

I'M JUST, UH, SUPPORTING MR. SADDLER.

I GOTTA BOARD THE, I'LL JUST CHANGE IT.

THANK YOU CITY CLERK FOR PUTTING THE ASTERISK BESIDE ON.

YOU'RE SO SMALL TRYING TO HELP.

AND JUST THE LAST THING, MR. MAYORS TO DECIDE BETWEEN DAVIDSON HAND AND OVERMAN, WHO WILL HAVE THE TWO YEAR TERM, THE OTHER TWO WILL HAVE THREE ALPHABET ALPHABETICALLY, OR I MEAN JUST WHATEVER YOU ALL ALPHABETICALLY.

WHAT WILL WE DO WITHOUT YOU? OH NO, I'M,

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ANYBODY OPPOSED TO GIVING THEM THE TERMS BASED OFF OF ALPHABETICALLY FOR THE TIE FOR THE NUMBER OF YEARS? FINE.

ONE VOTE FOR VIRGINIA SPENCER.

SO THAT WOULD BE MR. OBERMAN.

IF I CAN DO ALPHABETIC, VERY RARE THAT OWES OR AT THE TOP OF THAT LIST, I COULD TELL YOU.

BUT IF HE'S THERE, THEN CONGRATULATIONS.

THERE YOU GO.

SIX, EXCUSE ME.

SIX VOTES FOR BILL SADLER.

ALL RIGHT, MR. SADLER IT IS.

DO WE NEED TO DECIDE ANYTHING ELSE? NO, SIR.

JUST LET'S HAVE THE CLERK REPEAT BACK ALL THAT FOR THE RECORD, JUST SO WE'RE ALL CLEAR.

ALL OF THEM OR JUST TWO'S GOING TO BY TURN FILL THE SEATS BY TURN? YES.

OH, WELL I'LL HAVE TO PULL THAT FROM THE TAPE COUNTY.

WELL, I MEAN, BUT YOU'VE GOT IT IN FRONT OF YOU.

YOU'VE GOT THE, THE TWO HIGH VOTES FOR FIVE THAT ARE, THAT ARE, THAT ARE BY ALPHABETICALLY FOR THE TWO YEAR TERM.

THE THREE HIGH VOTES WITH FIVE.

MM-HMM.

ARE MARY DAVIDSON, WILLIAM HAND, AND ROB OVER.

SO THE TOP TWO H AND A SERVE THE LONGER TERM OBERMAN GOES TO THE NEXT LOWER TERM.

IS THAT RIGHT? YES.

STUART FLY HAD FOUR VOTES, SAME TERM AS AS TWO TERM OVERMAN, UH, OBERMAN.

AND, UM, SADLER TAKES BILL SATLER TAKES THE LOWER TERM ONE ONE YEAR.

JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL CLEAR.

EVERYBODY GOOD? ANYTHING ELSE? THANKS FOR YOUR INDULGENCE.

THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE.

MOTION TO ADJOURNED.

MOTION TO ADJOURN.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SEVERAL OF THEM.