Jul 19, 2023 Historic Preservation Commission

UH,

[2. Adjustments to the Agenda]

THERE ARE A COUPLE OF ADJUSTMENTS TO THE AGENDA IN THE FORM OF TWO MINUTES THAT WE ARE NOT IN POSITION TO APPROVE.

THAT'S THE JUNE 21ST AND THE SEPTEMBER 21ST.

SO I FIRST NEED A MOTION TO REMOVE THOSE FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA.

SO MOVED.

MOVED AND SECONDED.

WE REMOVED THOSE TWO ITEMS FROM THE CONSENT AGREEMENT.

OPPOSED?

[3. Consent Agenda]

THOSE REMOVED.

WE NOW NEED A MOTION ON THE REMAINING THREE ITEMS. I MOVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE MINUTES FROM OCTOBER, 1922 AND THE MINUTES FROM MARCH 16TH, 22.

AND INCLUDE THE, UH, WRITTEN DECISION, UM, THAT'S PART OF THE CONSENT APPROVED.

APPROVED THAT, OKAY.

SECOND SECONDARY INCLUDES THAT SECOND MOVE.

AND SECONDED.

WE APPROVE THE, UH, REMAINING THREE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

ALL FAVOR STATE? AYE.

UM, SO FOR FOR THE RECORD, I DIDN'T VOTE BECAUSE I REPRESENTED THE APPLICANT ON 2 21 SOUTH FRONT STREET LAST MEETING.

SO I HAD A CONFLICT, I PRESUME.

SURE.

YOU OKAY WITH THAT? I'M PROCESSING THAT YOU UNDERSTAND FROM THE, SO, SO, UH, LAST MEETING, I, I PRESENTED THE APPLICATION THAT WAS APPROVED.

I UNDERSTAND, AND EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS AND IS COMFORTABLE THAT MR. Y HAS NOT VOTED ON THE ITEM THAT IS LISTED AS B ONE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

UH, AND MR. CHAIR, JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE MEMBERS ARE CLEAR.

SO YOU ARE EXCUSING MR YEAR FROM VOTING ON THE APPROVAL OF THE WRITTEN DECISION FOR 2 21 SOUTH FRONT STREET.

EVERYBODY'S IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT, CORRECT? YES.

YOU WANT US TO VOTE ON IT FOR THE PURPOSE? HE STATED, I'M SORRY.

FOR THE PURPOSE THAT MR. YER STATED, I CAN, THAT HE, ARE YOU ABLE TO HEAR ME? I'M SORRY.

I'LL LEAN UP.

I'M SHORT.

SO EVERYBODY'S COMFORTABLE WITH EXCUSING MR. YER FROM VOTING IN LIGHT OF THE CONFLICT THAT HE EXPRESSED REGARDING THE 2 21 SOUTH FRONT STREET.

EVERYBODY HEAD SHAKE? YES.

HEAD SHAKE, EVERYBODY.

[4A. Hearings: Introduction, Swearing-In, Summary of Process - Introduction of Hearings and Rules of Procedure - Swearing-In of Speakers - Summary of the Hearing Process]

I THOUGHT WE TOOK CARE OF THAT LAST MEETING.

I HAVE SOME OPENING REMARKS.

HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION IS THE PUBLIC COMMISSION APPOINTED BY THE CITY OF NEW BERNS, BOARD OF ALDERMAN'S RESPONSIBLE FOR PRESERVING AND SAFEGUARDING NEW BURNS LOCALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICTS DOWNTOWN IN RIVERSIDE BASED ON US DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR GUIDELINES, STATE STATUTES, CITY ORDINANCES, AND NEW BERNS HISTORIC GUIDELINES.

TWO OF THE MAJOR TASKS OF HPC INCLUDE APPROVING APPLICATIONS FOR CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS AND PREVENTING DEMOLITION OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES.

DUE TO NEGLECT, H B C HOLDS A, A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING ON AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS.

THE COMMISSION HERE IS SWORN TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT, BY PARTIES WHO RECEIVED NOTICE OF THE HEARING AND OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT COMMENTS.

AND STANDING COMMISSION CANNOT CONSIDER COMMENTS BASED ON PERSONAL LIKES AND DISLIKES, HEARSAY OR PERSONAL OPINION, NOT BACKED UP WITH THE FACTS RELATED TO THE SPECIFIC HISTORIC GUIDELINES.

AND LIKEWISE, THE COMMISSIONERS WILL REFRAIN FROM STATING PERSONAL OPINIONS, LIKES AND DISLIKES DURING THE HEARING.

WE MAY BASE OUR DECISION SOLELY ON THE TESTIMONY AND THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED AND THE, AND THE GUIDELINES.

CAN WE SWEAR IN THE PRESENTERS? YES, WE CAN.

SO ANYONE WOULD LIKE THIS SPEAK THIS, PLEASE.

FORWARD.

SWEAR, TELL TRUTH.

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I THOUGHT WE DID TOO.

I WAS HOPING YOU KNEW MORE THAN I DID.

[4B. 305 North Ave. – to include a new infill house. This application was continued from the previous Regular Meeting. The HPC should decide on this application at this meeting.]

I AM SEEING, UH, 3 0 5 NORTH AVENUE ON THE AGENDA.

I THOUGHT WE HAD DISPOSED OF THAT LAST MEETING.

NO, UH, THE LAST MEETING, IT WAS, UH, THE DEADLINE WAS EXTENDED, UH, AND WE DID NOT, UM, UH, WE EXTEND, WE CONTINUED THAT PROJECT TO THIS MEETING, UH, BECAUSE THERE WAS A EXPECTATION THAT THEY WOULD SHOW UP AT THE DESIGN REVIEW MEETING, HOWEVER, THEY DID NOT.

SO, UM, YOU'LL NEED TO CONTINUE IT AGAIN, UH, OR WHATEVER YOU CHOOSE TO DO.

UM, BUT, UH, UH, THEY'RE NOT HERE BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T HERE AT THE DESIGN REVIEW MEETING.

HAVE YOU HAD ANY DIALOGUE WITH THEM? IS THERE ANY YES.

SO ONCE AGAIN, THEY ASSURED ME THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE AT THE DESIGN REVIEW MEETING.

THEY ARE ON THE AGENDA AGAIN AT THE DESIGN REVIEW MEETING.

UM, I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY, DRAW ANY ADDITIONAL DRAWINGS SINCE THEN, BUT, UH, UM, THEY HAVE UNTIL JULY 27TH TO GET ME SOME DRAWINGS.

SO IT IS REALISTIC TO, UH, UH, THEY, OH, WELL, THEY DID SAY THAT, UH, FOR, UH, OKAY.

SO ADDITIONALLY THEY DID SAY THAT THEY HAVE, UM, AN ARCHITECT WORKING WITH THEM MM-HMM.

, UH, AND SO THERE'S BEEN, UM, SOME CHANGE IN THEIR APPROACH AND THEIR, I GUESS, ACTION AT LEAST, UH, VERBALLY, UH, SINCE THE LAST TIME, UH, REPORTED AT THIS MEETING.

IS, IS IT APPROPRIATE THEN, IN YOUR OPINION, TO CONTINUE THIS TO THE AUGUST MEETING? YEAH, I THINK SO.

AND MR. CHAIR, JUST FOR THE RECORD, THE MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM, IF YOU'RE SO INCLINED, WOULD NEED TO INCORPORATE LANGUAGE IF THIS IS WITH THE CONSENT OF THE APPLICANT.

THAT IS RIGHT.

THAT ANY CONTINUANCE IS WITH THE CONSENT OF THE APPLICANT.

WITH THE CONSENT OF THE APPLICANT, YES.

WILL SOMEONE MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CONTINUE 3 0 5 NORTH AVENUE WITH THE CONSENT OF THE APPLICANT UNTIL THE AUGUST MEETING, WHICH IS AUGUST 16TH? AUGUST 16TH.

AT THIS POINT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THE, WITH THE CONSENT OF THE APPLICANT, WE CONTINUE THE HEARING ON 3 0 5 NORTH AVENUE TO AUGUST 16TH, 5:30 PM IN THIS COURTHOUSE.

COURTROOM SECOND, CANDACE, DO YOU SECOND IT? OKAY.

THAT'S, AND I BELIEVE WE DID ASSURE HIM THAT HE HAD TILL THE END OF AUGUST OR THE MEETING IN AUGUST TO PRESENT SOMETHING.

[4C. 1207 N. Pasteur St. – to include a replacement front door, replacement and new windows, and a new rear door in all AVCs.]

UM, THEN, UH, MOVING ON TO, UM, THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS 1207 NORTH PASTEUR.

SO WE WILL NOW PAGE THROUGH ALL THE PREVIOUS ITEMS. WHOOPS.

A LITTLE TOO FAST.

ALSO PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE, UH, SIDE OF THE REAR ADDITION.

1207 NORTH PASTEUR STREET.

THIS IS THE APPLICATION.

OH, YOU GUYS JUST WAIT, JUST, YEAH.

UM, UH, THIS IS THEIR APPLICATION FOR GLENN AND ELIZABETH SPENCER, UH, WHO LIVE NEXT DOOR.

AND THIS IS THEIR APPLICATION.

IT IS MORE THAN COMPLETE IN THAT IT'S EXTRA PAGES AND IT DOES INCLUDE AT THE END, UH, THE SIGNATURE AND DATE THE OWNERS.

AND SO, UM, IN ADDITION TO THE APPLICATION, THEY INCLUDED FIRST THE PHOTOGRAPH, THE EXISTING PHOTOGRAPH OF THE HOUSE, UH, AND ALSO A DESCRIPTION FROM THE, UM, FROM THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY.

AND THEN, UH, THEY GIVE US, UH, UH, PHOTOGRAPH OF THE EXISTING FRONT DOOR THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE WITH OR THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE.

THEN THE EXISTING WINDOWS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE, THESE HAPPEN TO BE, UH, THE UPPER ONE AND THE TWO RIGHT CENTER.

AND THE RIGHT ONE ON THE SECOND FLOOR ARE, UM, VINYL WINDOWS THAT WERE INSTALLED BY THE PREVIOUS OWNER.

THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOW, UH, AND THEN

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THIS IS THE NORTH SIDE.

UH, AND THEN SHOW YOU THEN THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT ADDITION.

AND THEN THE REAR, UH, WEST SIDE OF THE ADDITION OR WEST ELEVATION.

AND WE CAN COME BACK TO ALL OF THESE IF YOU, IF YOU WOULD LIKE.

SO NOW, UM, SIDE BY SIDE, THEY ARE SHOWING THE ORI THE CURRENT AND THEN THE PROPOSED REPLACEMENT FOR THE FRONT DOOR.

UH, AND HERE IT IS ABOVE AND BELOW.

THAT'S THE EXISTING, AND THIS IS THE PROPOSED.

THEY WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE THE VINYL WINDOWS WITH THESE WOOD WINDOWS, UH, SIMILAR TO THE OTHER EXISTING WINDOWS IN THE HOUSE.

AND NOTICE THAT THE ATTIC WINDOW IS LARGER THAN THE CURRENT SIZE.

BUT CONSIDERING THIS HOUSE AND THE HOUSE ADJACENT WERE TWINS, UH, THIS WINDOW AND THE UPPER ATTIC WINDOW IS SIMILAR TO THE TWIN WINDOW OR THE WINDOW ATTIC WINDOW ON THE TWIN HOUSE.

UH, SO NOW THIS IS THE SIDE THAT WE WERE JUST, THAT I JUST SHOWED YOU.

AND THIS IS THEIR PROPOSAL AND THAT IS TO REMOVE THE EXISTING WINDOW.

I'LL GO BACK UP AGAIN.

REMOVE THE EXISTING SMALL WINDOW HERE AND REPLACE IT WITH IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION.

UH, THE ORIGINAL LOCATION, IF YOU NOTICE HERE ON THE LEFT, THERE IS A VERTICAL, UH, SCORE LINE HERE, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY WHERE THE ORIGINAL WINDOW HAD BEEN.

AND THEN OVER HERE ON THE RIGHT, SIMILAR CONDITION HERE WITH A, UH, AN APPARENT, UH, WINDOW OPENING THAT WAS CLOSED WITH SOME SIDING.

SO REMOVE THE, UH, SMALL WINDOW AND REPLACE THE TWO BOARDED UP WINDOWS OR SIDED UP WINDOWS WITH, UH, THESE TWO WINDOWS HERE.

THESE ARE CASEMENT WINDOWS.

UM, BUT CONSIDERING THIS IS AN ADDITION AS OPPOSED TO THE, THE ORIGINAL, UM, THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED REASONABLE.

AND THEN ON THE SOUTH SIDE, UH, THIS IS AGAIN THE ORIGINAL OR THE CURRENT CONDITION, SORRY.

AND THEY WOULD NOW LIKE THEN TO PUT, UH, SMALL WINDOWS LIKE ON THE OTHER SIDE ON THIS SIDE.

UH, AND THEY WILL BE PROVIDING SIDING ON THIS AS WELL TO MATCH THE REST OF THE SIDING THROUGHOUT.

UM, THE, UH, REASON FOR THE SMALLER WINDOWS IS THIS IS NOW THE, THE KITCHEN COUNTER AREA.

THEN ON THE BACK, WHICH IS CURRENTLY LIKE THIS, THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO THIS, WHICH IS ANOTHER PAIR OF CASEMENTS, UH, SIMILAR TO THE, UH, NORTH SIDE AND THEN A DOUBLE FRENCH DOOR HERE.

UM, INSTEAD OF THE ONE SINGLE DOOR, UH, ALL OF THESE HEADERS ARE TO LINE UP ALONG WITH THE HEADERS ON THE NORTH SIDE, AND I BELIEVE THE SOUTH SIDE, YOU CAN ASK THEM IF WE NEED TO ON THAT.

THEN WE HAVE OUR ZONING AND INSPECTIONS REVIEW.

AND THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR HAS DETERMINED THAT IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE AND THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR INDICATES THAT IT WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.

AND THEN WE'RE READY WITH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS WHEN YOU ARE.

I'D LIKE TO RECUSE MYSELF.

PLEASE ASKED TO BE RECUSED.

UH, OKAY.

WE NEED A MOTION TO EXCUSE.

WE NEED MR, WE NEED MR. RUSH TO STATE HIS BASIS FOR HIS RECUSAL.

I, I, PRIOR, PRIOR RELATIONSHIP AND NOT WORKING WITH HIM.

SO YOU HAD A FINANCIAL YES.

INTEREST IN THIS PROPERTY AT SOME POINT? YES.

UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE, WE RECUSE COMMISSIONER RUSH FROM THIS DISCUSSION.

THOSE, AND SECOND, WE, UH, CUS MR. RUSH ALL FAVOR STATE.

OPPOSED? IMPOSED.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE HAVING STANDING WHO WISHES TO COMMENT ON THE PROJECT? SEE? NONE.

SO THAT WOULD BE YOU GUYS IF YOU WANTED TO SPEAK AT THIS POINT.

DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY COMMENTS? NOT TO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE.

YEAH, TO, YEAH.

UM, ONLY THAT, UH, THE DOOR AND THE IMAGE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE ANOTHER DOOR WHICH HAS A GLASS, UM, UPPER, IT STILL HAS THE PANELING AT THE BOTTOM.

IT'S AN OLD HUNDRED YEAR OLD DOOR

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AS WELL.

UM, JUST BEEN INCREDIBLY BUSY AT WORK.

WASN'T ABLE TO GET MY STUFF TOGETHER.

WHICH DOOR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT NOW? THE FRONT DOOR.

THE FRONT DOOR? YES.

THIS ONE HERE.

UM, IT'S PROBABLY MORE APPROPRIATE THAN THAT ONE.

AS FAR AS THE AGE, IT HAS, UH, A PITTED CENTER PANEL WITH STAIN AROUND THE OUTSIDE.

UH, IT'S LIKE MAYBE THREE ON THE SIDES AND ONE IN THE CENTER AT THE TOP AND BOTTOM, AND THEN A DOUBLE PANELING IN THE BOTTOM.

YOU DON'T HAVE A PICTURE OF IT HERE? UNFORTUNATELY, BOTH OF US LEFT OUR PHONES AT HOME, SO NO.

SO IS THAT THE DOOR THAT IS PICTURED IS NOT THE DOOR THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY GONNA PUT IN? NO, IT PREFERABLY.

SO, UM, YOU COULD EITHER REMOVE THIS FROM THE APPLICATION AND HAVE IT BE A SEPARATE ITEM AT SOME OTHER TIME.

RIGHT? I WOULD SAY, OR, UM, YOU COULD HAVE THIS ONE APPROVED AND HAVE IT, UH, REPLACED LATER AT ANOTHER, UH, UH, AS AN AMENDMENT AT A FUTURE TIME.

ALRIGHT, LET'S DO THAT THEN.

WHAT'S THAT? WE'LL DO THAT, THEN WE'LL DO IT AS AN AMENDMENT, RIGHT? THAT SECOND ONE? YEAH.

WHAT WAS THE CHOICE? RIGHT? THANK YOU.

HE'S GONNA AMEND, AMEND IT UNFORTUNATELY.

GO AHEAD AND AMEND.

YES, HE, I THINK THE APPLICANT IS ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER THE APPLICATION BEFORE YOU AND IF HE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A DIFFERENT DOOR AT A FUTURE DATE, HE'LL COME BACK.

YEAH, UNFORTUNATELY, MR. RUSH IS PRESENT.

HE'S ACTUALLY SEEN THE IMAGE OF THE DOOR.

OH YEAH.

AND HE, HE WANTED ME TO USE IT, SO YEAH.

SO WE'LL GO AHEAD WITH THIS ONE AND YOU CAN COME BACK WITH THE OTHER ONE.

SO WE'RE READY FOR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS.

UH, I GUESS THERE'S NOBODY ELSE, RIGHT? THERE'S NOBODY, NOBODY FOR OR AGAINST.

I I ASKED THAT QUESTION.

ANY STATE OR FEDERAL PEOPLE? IS THERE ANY STATE OR FEDERAL, ANYONE WITH ANY STANDING WHO WISHES TO COMMENT? NO.

COMMISSIONERS JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION ON THE PATIO DOORS AND THE VERY BACK, WHICH YOU DID CHANGE FROM THE ORIGINAL ONE WE SAW MM-HMM.

, THE DESCRIPTION ABOVE, IT SAYS ADD PATIO DOORS, EIGHT FOOT HIGH, AND NINE FOOT, I GUESS WIDTH WOOD WITH EXTERIOR ALUMINUM CLAD PATIO DOORS.

DID YOU REAL REALLY MEAN TO SAY, UH, ALUMINUM CLAD? SORRY, THAT, THAT MUST HAVE BEEN THE DESCRIPTION FROM THE ORIGINAL.

THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.

CUZ FURTHER UP IN YOUR ORIGINAL APPLICATION IT TALKS ABOUT GLAZING AND ALUMINUM.

SO IT'S STRICTLY, THEY'RE WOOD DOORS, RIGHT? THEY'RE SOLID WOOD DOORS WITH, UH, GLAZING.

IS IT THE SAME WITH THE WINDOWS? THEY'RE ALL GONNA BE WOOD WINDOWS? YES.

SO THEN YOU'LL AMEND THAT TO REMOVE THE LANGUAGE ABOUT ALUMINUM CLAN PATIO DOORS.

YES, SIR.

OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? AND SO I THINK WE ALSO TALKED IN DESIGN REVIEW WHERE THERE WOULD BE, UM, APPROPRIATE, UH, WOOD SURROUNDS AND SEALS ON THE WINDOWS AND DOORS THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY INDICATED BY YOUR PHOTOSHOPPING.

CORRECT.

ALL, ALL WITHIN KEEPING OF WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN ORIGINAL OR, AND, YOU KNOW, APPROPRIATE ORIGINALLY.

AND, UH, WANT, WANT TO THANK YOU FOR RECONSIDERING THE PROPORTION OF THE BACK DOOR GLAZING.

I THINK IT LOOKS BETTER.

YOU MAY TOO.

YEAH, I THINK THE ORIGINAL ONE WAS ACTUALLY AN IMAGE OF A, A 12 FOOT DOOR UHHUH.

UM, I KIND OF WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A THREE OF THOSE THREE FOOT DOORS AND MAKE IT A NINE FOOT, BUT BECAUSE TO ME IT LOOKS A LITTLE PROPORTIONATELY SMALL, NARROW, WHEREAS IT WOULD BE IN BETWEEN THE OTHER TWO, THE OTHER ONE, SO, WELL, I THINK YOU'VE GOT IT RIGHT, BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT WHEN YOU COME BACK WITH YOUR FRONT DOOR.

SOUNDS GOOD.

ALSO, I APPRECIATE YOU PUTTING IN THE EFFORT TO ALIGNING THE HEADS OF THE WINDOWS AND DOORS AND CONFIRMING SOME OF THOSE DISCREPANCIES THAT WE, UH, ALSO DISCUSSED IN DESIGN REVIEW.

SURE.

ARE YOU, ONE MORE QUESTION.

ARE, ARE YOU ADDRESSING THE FOUNDATION, UM, IN ANY WAY ON THE ADDITION TO TIE THAT INTO THE HOUSE, THE FOUNDATION ITSELF, RIGHT? NO.

RIGHT.

WELL, IT WILL REMAIN THE, IS IT CONCRETE? UH, IT'S BRICK.

BRICK, YEAH.

AND THE, OBVIOUSLY THE PORCH WILL HAVE TO BE EXPANDED THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE.

UH, WE'LL BE DOING A, UH, I GUESS A DECK OUT THERE, WHICH WILL BE, UH, I GUESS A MINOR WORK.

IT'LL BE BELOW 30 INCHES AND YEAH.

AND THEN SOME LANDSCAPING PLANNING TO DO THAT.

OH, FOR SURE.

LANDSCAPING PLAN THEN IN THE FUTURE'S REQUIRED.

IS THERE A PLAN? OH, PLAN.

UM, NOT AS YET.

YOU'LL COME BACK WITH A

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SURE.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

O OTHER QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO HEAR STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS? OH, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD HELP.

FORGOT ABOUT THAT PART.

WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION.

ALRIGHT.

SO, UM, THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE HERE FOR THE PROJECT FOR GLEN AND ELIZABETH SPENCER AT UH, 1207 NORTH PEOR STREET.

UH, HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME IS THE MCKEEL SMITH HOUSE FROM CIRCA 1911.

IT IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY DESCRIPTION, UH, FROM 1988 DESCRIBES IT AS BUILT BETWEEN 1910 AND THIR 1913 BY HC MCKEEL WHO WAS EMPLOYED IN THE LUMBER INDUSTRY.

THIS TWO-STORY FRAME, DOUBLE PILE SIDE HALL PLAN HOUSE WAS ACQUIRED IN 1919 BY HENRY W. SMITH, WHO IS LISTED IN CITY DIRECTORIES AS A CARPENTER.

A ONE STORY TWO ROOM L EXTENDS TO THE REAR OF THE HOUSE, WHICH IS TOPPED BY A STANDING SEAM TIN FRONT CABLE, UH, OF THE HOUSE, WHICH IS TOPPED BY A STANDING SEAM TIN, FRONT GABLE ROOF WITH RETURNS SPANNING THE THREE BAY FACADE IS A ONE STORY PORCH WITH TUSCAN COLUMNS AND SQUARE IN SECTION.

BALUSTERS WINDOWS ARE TWO OVER TWO SASH, AND THE PRINCIPAL CHIMNEY HAS AN EXTERIOR END LOCATION ON THE NORTHWEST ELEVATION AND SAND.

BECK HAD NO DESCRIPTION OF THE PROPERTY, SO THIS PROJECT IS TO INCLUDE A REPLACEMENT FRONT DOOR REPLACEMENT AND NEW WINDOWS AND A NEW REAR DOOR IN ALL ABCS.

SO STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES AS APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION.

DESIGN PRINCIPLES 3.1, 0.1 3.1 0.2 3.1 0.4 MODIFICATIONS, 3.2 0.1 3.2 0.2 3.2 0.3 0.2 0.4 FOR WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION.

4.2 0.1 4.2 0.2 4.2 0.44 FOR WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS.

4.3 0.1, 4.32, 4.3 0.3 FOR ENTRANCES, 4.41, 4.44 FOR WOOD, 5.2 0.1 5.2 0.2, PAINT 5.4, 0.25, 0.4 0.3, AND 5.4 0.4.

AND THE STATEMENTS ARE REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION AND STAFF'S JUDGMENT ARE ONE, THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

TWO, THE PROJECT IS MODIFICATIONS TO A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE WITHIN ALL.

ABCS.

THREE, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES.

FOUR.

THE ZONING, ADMINISTRATIVE AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.

AND FIVE, THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES AND SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COMMISSION APPROVE THIS APPLICATION TO INCLUDE A REPLACEMENT FRONT DOOR REPLACEMENT AND NEW WINDOWS AND A NEW REAR DOOR IN ALL ABCS.

THANK YOU.

MM-HMM.

, WE NEED A MOTION.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE.

WE FIND THE APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR 1209 NORTH PAST DOOR STREET IS NOT IN CONGRESS WITH NEW BERNS CODE OF ORDINANCES.

SECTION 15 4 11 THROUGH 15,429 AND NEW BERNS HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES, DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.11, 3.1 0.2, 3.14.

MODIFICATIONS, 3.21, 3.2 0.2 3.2 0.3 AND 3.2 0.4.

4.2 0.1 4.2 0.2, AND 4.2 0.4, WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS.

4.3 0.1 4.3 0.2 AND 4.3 0.3.

ENTRANCES 4.4 0.1 AND 4.4 0.4.

WOOD 5.2 0.1 5.2 0.2 AND PAINT.

5.4 0.2 5.4 0.3 AND 5.4 0.4.

FINDINGS OF FACT THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN A TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

THE PROJECT CONSISTS OF MODIFICATIONS TO A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE WITHIN ALL.

ABCS.

THREE.

THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES.

BOTH THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.

AND THE PROJECT IS NOT IN CONGRESS WITH THE GUIDELINES.

SECOND FOR THE MOTION.

MOVED AND

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SECONDED.

WE APPROVE, UH, THE APPLICATION.

MOTION TO ISSUE A COA.

SO MOVED.

MOVED AND SECONDED.

WE ISSUE A COA.

WAS THERE A SECOND? I, JIM.

IS JIM AND CANDACE I DIDN'T HEAR.

CANDACE WAS THE, THE MOVER.

AND JIM WAS THE SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR STATE AYE.

AND I UNDERSTAND YOU'D LIKE US TO APPROVE THE WORDING OF THE UH, YES.

OF THE WRITTEN DECISION.

THERE WAS A DRAFT WRITTEN DECISION CIRCULATING TO YOU BY, UM, THE HPC ADMINISTRATOR BEFORE THE MEETING.

HAS EVERYBODY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THAT DOCUMENT? YES.

IF THAT DOCUMENT IS IN LINE WITH, UM, YOUR FINDINGS TONIGHT, I THINK STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT YOU WOULD VOTE TO APPROVE THAT WRITTEN DECISION.

SO I MOVE, WE APPROVE THE, UH, WRITTEN DECISION FOR 1209 NORTH PASTEUR STREET, UH, IN INDICATE A VOTE BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

MOVE.

AND SECONDED.

WE APPROVE THE, UH, WRITTEN DECISION FOR 1209.

ALL IN FAVOR STATE AYE.

THAT'S APPROVED.

I THINK THE ADDRESS FOR THE PROJECT IS 1207.

1207.

HERE.

IT SAYS OH NINE SAYS OH NINE ON THIS.

WHEN I SAID THAT, I REALIZED IT.

SO IT'S 1207.

THE DRAFT SAYS 1209.

SO WE'LL NEED TO, UH, AMEND THE WRITTEN DECISION TO REFLECT THE CORRECT ADDRESS.

SO IS THAT YOUR MOTION, MR. MORRISON? YES.

WAS THAT YOUR SECOND? 12 SEVEN.

WHO WAS THE SECOND? RICHARD.

RICHARD.

WAS THAT YOUR SECOND MR. PARSONS? YES.

WAS THAT EVERYBODY'S AFFIRMATIVE VOTE? YES.

YEAH, VERY GOOD.

YEAH, AS I SAID IT, I THOUGHT, WAIT, SO YOU'LL AMEND THE WRITTEN COPY YOU SENT YOU SENT? YES, SIR.

I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

IT'S OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

WE HAVE NO OLD BUSINESS.

ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? OKAY.

GO MR. RUSH.

RIGHT? WE CAN STICK AROUND.

OH, UM, OKAY.

UM, MOTION TO, UH, REINSTATE MR. RUSH.

SO MOVED.

ANYTHING IN YOUR REPORT THAT YOU WANT TO HIGHLIGHT? WHAT ARE THE NEW FEES? SO THE NEW FEES ARE, UH, NOW, UH, $50 FOR A MINOR AND $150 FOR A MAJOR.

MOVED AND SECONDED MR. RUSH TO COME BACK.

THANK YOU.

ALL IN FAVOR? STATE AYE.

ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? HEARING NONE.

NEW BUSINESS? NONE.

IS THERE

[8. HPC Administrator’s Report: A. Report on CoAs Issued 06/08/2023 – 07/05/2023 MAJORS: 221 S. Front St. – Amendment: remove restaurant, new sitework, sign MINORS: 312 Metcalf St. – new storm windows 516 Craven St. – tree replacement 517 Middle St. – new driveway, landscaping, gutter 720 E. Front St. – new dock, lifts, walkway 724 Pollock St. – remove stairs, door, and overhang, return wall to wood siding About 11 pending, plus about 16 pending info from applicants B. Report on CoA Extensions Issued since the Prior Regular Meeting: none C. Other Items and Updates by the Administrator: new fees]

BUT, UH, WE ALSO NOW HAVE FOR AFTER THE FACT, UM, COAS, UH, THE MINOR IS $150 AND THE MAJOR IS $300.

DID YOU GET IT RAISED? , , SORRY.

I'M SORRY.

SO, UH, BUT, UM, THOSE FEES HAVE NOT BEEN RAISED IN PROBABLY OVER 15 YEARS, I WOULD SAY.

SO, UH, WITH OUR NEW DIRECTOR AND WITH THE BUDGET CRUNCH, I THINK THEY DECIDED THEY NEEDED TO START MAKING IT, AND PLUS WE'VE ALSO ADDED TO OUR STAFF HERE AT THE MEETINGS.

WE'VE ADDED THE CITY ATTORNEY, SO I'M SURE SURE.

SHE DOESN'T COME FOR FREE.

A GREAT ADDITION.

WE'RE THERE REGARD? YES.

UM, AND AFTER THE FACT, HOW, HOW DO WE DEFINE THAT? WELL, IF THEY'VE DONE, IF THEY'VE DONE THE MODIFICATION WITHOUT AN APPROVAL, SO COMPLAINTS AND OR YEP.

ANY WAY ADMISSION.

ANY, ANY WAY IT COMES ACROSS OUR PLATE.

UM, BUT, OKAY.

GOOD.

I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ONE MORE THING, UH, WAS, UM, FIRST OF ALL, UH, WE SHOULD MAYBE, UH, GIVE MR. PARSONS AN OPPORTUNITY TO INTRODUCE HIMSELF.

AND DO YOU HAVE A ROTWEILER THAT THAT'LL BE COLLECTING THOSE? YES, I KNOW I CAN DO IT.

ANY FINAL COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? MOTION TO ADJOURN? OH,

[9. Commissioners’ Comments ]

UH, LET'S START WITH THAT.

YOU? NO, I DON'T HAVE MY NUMBER TWO ON YOUR TSHIRT .

WELL, MY NAME IS PARSONS, BUT EVERYBODY CALLS ME MR. GRUMPY.

I HAVE SERVED ON THIS AUGUST, FRIDAY BEFORE AND ON THE BOARD OF JUDGMENT, AND I'M A 38 YEAR PROPERTY OWNER IN THE CITY OF NEWARK, ENGLAND.

HAPPY TO HAVE YOU.

THANK, YOU'RE NOT WEARING YOUR T-SHIRT, ARE YOU? YOU'RE NOT WEARING YOUR T-SHIRT, ARE

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SO THAT'S ONLY RESERVED FOR THE INFORMAL MEETINGS .

SO NOW O OTHERWISE, I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO, UM, INDICATE THAT, UM, AT THE DESIGN REVIEW MEETING, WE HAD A TRAINING SESSION WITH A VIDEO AND ONE OF THE MEMBERS PRESENT THERE, UH, COMMISSIONER MORRISON, HE, UH, SUGGESTED THAT WE TRY AND SEE IF WE CAN GET THAT VIDEO AVAILABLE FOR ONLINE, ON OUR WEBSITE.

MM-HMM.

AND WE ARE ON THE CUSP OF THAT.

WE HAVE RECEIVED THE VIDEO FROM THE STATE WITHOUT, UH, SO THAT THERE ARE NO ADVERTISEMENTS.

UH, AND THEN, UH, WE ARE, I'VE ALSO GOT IT THROUGH THE INFORMATION OFFICER SO FAR.

UH, THEY MIGHT WANT TO DO SOME, UM, UH, UH, UM, EDITS, OR NOT EDITS, BUT CUSTOMIZATION, I THINK SHE CALLED IT TO IT.

MAYBE GIVE IT, UH, SOME, UH, EITHER INTRO OR BRANDING OR SOMETHING.

AND THEN, UH, ALSO, UH, SHE JUST NEEDS A, UM, A WRITTEN DOCUMENT THAT STATES THAT, UH, WE'RE ALLOWED TO USE IT WITH NO COMMERCIALS OR NO ADS.

UM, SO, UM, I THINK WE'RE JUST ABOUT THERE TO GET THAT ON THERE.

AND THAT, AND SHE AGREED THAT THAT WAS VERY VALUE WOULD BE VERY VALUABLE AND PROBABLY EVEN WOULD BE GREAT TO NOT ONLY JUST HAVE ON OUR WEBSITE AS A, AS A LINK, UH, TO CLICK UP, BUT, UH, AT ON DEMAND, BUT RATHER ON TV THREE WHEN A STORM IS ABOUT OR IS IMPENDING, YOU KNOW, IS COMING AND, YOU KNOW, PUT IT ON THERE ON A, ON A ROTATING BASIS.

SOMEONE WHO'S A MEMBER OF HYDRA SUGGESTED TO ME, THEY MIGHT LIKE TO SHOW IT AT A MEETING THAT'S POSSIBLE TOO.

OF COURSE, IF THEY HAD DOWNLOAD THEY COULD DO ON THE WEB.

RIGHT.

IF IT'S ON OUR WEBSITE, THEY CAN PROBABLY DO THAT.

RIGHT.

SO, AND YOU, YOU MIGHT CONSIDER AN INTRODUCTION TO IT, ADVERTISING THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO HELP FOLKS WITH ANY QUESTIONS OR ISSUES.

THINGS LIKE THAT, RIGHT? MM-HMM.

COOL.

AND WE DIDN'T SAY WHAT THE VIDEO WAS ABOUT.

BUT THE, FOR THE AUDIENCE, THE VIDEO WAS ABOUT RECOVERY AND PLANNING FOR A SEVERE WEATHER EVENT.

BUT WAS WHAT WAS NOTEWORTHY WAS HOW MANY PICTURES WERE ABOUT NEW BERN AND EVENTS IN NEW BERN.

MM-HMM.

AND THE RECOVERY, UH, UH, AND THE PROBLEMS IN RECOVERY.

AND ALSO HOW PEOPLE MAY HAVE SOMETIMES DONE THINGS THEY DIDN'T NEED TO, TO DO IN RECOVERY MM-HMM.

AND SO IT WAS, IT WAS A REALLY GOOD EDUCATION AT PEACE.

SO HOPE WE HAVE IT UP.

I HAD SOME GOOD EXAMPLES OF HOW TO DRY OUT A HOUSE AND THE VARIOUS PARTS OF A HOUSE, UM, AND INCLUDED A CREATIVE IDEA THAT SOMEONE IN NEW BERN CAME UP WITH.

SO I WILL NOT, UH, PROVIDE THE SPOILER ON THAT ONE.

WATCH THE VIDEO YOURSELF, BUT IT'S VERY PERTINENT TO NEWBURG.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.