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[1. Roll Call]
THURSDAY, AUGUST 3RD, 2023.UH, MATT, CAN I GET A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? CERTAINLY.
RAYMOND LAYTON HERE, AREN'T YOU DUNN? HERE.
ALRIGHT, SO BEFORE WE, UH, MOVE ON TO THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE, UM, KELLY, UH, SECOND INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
UM, MY HUSBAND, TOM AND I, WE ARE BOTH ACTIVE REAL ESTATE AGENTS.
I'M A, UM, PAST EMPLOYEE OF WAREHOUSE OR COMPANY.
WORKED IN THE DEVELOPMENT DIVISION FOR ABOUT 18 YEARS, SO I'VE SEEN THE, BEEN IN THIS ROOM, BUT IN ANOTHER CAPACITY, SO I'M LOOKING VERY MUCH FORWARD TO GETTING EDUCATED FROM THE OTHER SIDE.
UH, FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, I'LL,
[2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
UH, WHAT WAS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? UM, WE NEED A CORRECTION.I AM NOT EITHER PRESENT OR ABSENT.
SO, UH, I CAN'T SAY THAT I WAS PRESENT, BUT IF I WASN'T PRESENT, I WAS ABSENT
SO WITH THAT CORRECTION, WE CAN, YOU COULD DO A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES OF ONE CORRECTION FOR AUGUST.
ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[3.A. “WEST NEW BERN, PARCEL A: GENERAL PLAN” Parcel Identification: #8-209-13001 Number of Lots: 1 Location: 3000 MAHEW DRIVE Zoning: C-3 Property Owners: WEYERHAEUSER REAL ESTATE Applicant: MCKIM & CREED]
NEW BUSINESS A WEST NEWBURN PARCEL.A GENERAL PLAN, MATT, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
SO THE, UH, THE APPLICANT IS WAREHOUSER REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT COMPANY.
PROJECT IS WEST NEWBURN PARCEL A.
THE LOCATION IS MAYHEW DRIVE IN THE WEST NEWBURN COMMUNITY.
AND THE EXISTING ZONING IS THE C THREE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
THE SIZE OF THE SUBJECT PARCEL IS 0.88 PLUS OR MINUS ACRES.
UH, THE PROJECT IS ONE LOT, UH, 0.35 ACRES, PLUS OR MINUS, DEDICATED RIGHT OF WAY.
UH, AND THEN, AND IT IS SURFACED BY THE CITY OF NEW BERN UTILITIES.
SO HERE'S AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE CURRENT LOT LINES, UH, AND WHERE THE ARROWS POINT.
UH, THERE IS A WOODED AREA THERE, SOMEWHAT SQUARE AREA.
UH, WE'LL SEE THE, UH, UM, PARCEL MAP IN A SECOND.
UH, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT PARTICULAR AREA, THE SQUARE AREA, UH, TO THE SOUTH OF THAT, UH, OF THE ARROWS IS A CITY OF NEW BERN, UH, WELL SITE.
AND THEN THE LARGER RECTANGLE TO THE LEFT IS PRIVATELY, UM, SEPARATELY PRIVATELY OWNED PROPERTY.
SO HERE WE SEE THE, ON THE UPPER LEFT, THE PLOT PLAN, UH, SUGGESTED TO SUBDIVIDE A SOMEWHAT RECTANGULAR PIECE OF LAND, UH, IN THAT CORNER BETWEEN THE TWO LOTS.
UH, AND THEN ALSO EXTEND THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF THAT, UH, NEW LOT.
UH, AND SO IT'S THE EXTENSION OF THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT, UH, TURNS THIS PROJECT INTO A MAJOR SUBDIVISION.
SO ALL LEGAL REQUIREMENTS FOR GENERAL SUBDIVISION PLAN HAVE BEEN SATISFIED.
PUBLIC WORKS, FIRE, WATER, RESOURCES, AND ELECTRIC DEPARTMENTS HAVE REVIEWED THE PLAN AND HAVE NO OBJECTIONS.
UH, THEREFORE THE GENERAL SUBDIVISION PLAN APPROVAL OF WESTBURN PARCEL A IS RECOMMENDED.
MR. CHAIR, THE, THE APPLICANT IS REPRESENTED BY CLIFF PARSONS OF WARRENTON SMITH AND HE'S HERE AND HE HAS SOME INFORMATION HE'D LIKE TO SHARE BEFORE WE LIKE TO YES, SURE.
CLIFF PARON FROM GORDON SMITH.
WE'VE GOT A BIT OF A CHANGE UP FOR YOU TONIGHT.
UM, WE HAVE BEEN W HAS BEEN TALKING TO THE CITY ABOUT, UM, SWAPPING SOME PROPERTY, UM, AND WHAT, AND, AND IT'S KIND OF SHIFTED WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THIS SPECIFIC MAP.
UM, THE MAPS THAT, UH, MATT HANDED OUT TO YOU.
UM, THE FIRST ONE THAT HAS A DIVIDING LINE AND A PARCEL A AND D, WHICH IT'S ALONG THIS WAY HERE.
SO THAT PARCEL B IS PART OF THE CITY
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WELL SITE, UM, THAT IS GONNA BE SWAPPED FOR ABOUT SEVEN TENTHS OF AN ACRE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 70 THAT THE CITY'S GONNA HAVE AN ELEVATED, UH, TANK ON, UM, THAT THEY'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT FOR A WHILE.I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DO IT.
THE PARTY THAT'S BUYING THIS LOT, WHICH IS RIOS, THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR, UM, NEEDS THAT ADDITIONAL, I THINK IT'S 0.35 ACRES OR A LITTLE SMALLER THAN SMALLER THAN THAT 0.23 ACRES NEEDS THAT FOR HIS DENSITY AND ACCESS BASICALLY BECAUSE, UH, HE'S GOT A CURRENT ACCESS HERE AND HE'S GONNA GET TO HIS PROPERTY THROUGH THAT WAY.
AND SO, UM, IN TALKING WITH SCOTT DAVIS, UH, WE FIGURED OUT THE BEST WAY TO DO THIS WAS TO PULL, BASICALLY PULL THIS MAP FROM CONSIDERATION THIS MONTH PRESENT, GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF SWAPPING THE PROPERTIES, WHICH WILL OCCUR, HOPEFULLY GET APPROVED AT THE AUGUST 22ND ALDERMAN MEETING RECORD DEEDS THE NEXT DAY, A FEW DAYS LATER WHERE WE'RE SWAPPING THE PROPERTIES, AND THEN COME BACK TO YOU FOR THE SEPTEMBER MEETING WITH THE SECOND PLATT, WHICH SHOWS THE WHOLE WHAT WAS PARCEL A AND B TOGETHER AS PARCEL A.
AND SO JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT'S GOING ON.
WE, WE DO NOT NEED TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS.
WE THOUGHT IT WAS BETTER TO KEEP IT ON THE AGENDA THOUGH, SO WE COULD LET EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AND WHAT THE PROCESS IS GONNA LOOK LIKE.
UM, SO, UH, I, I WILL BE HERE NEXT MONTH WITH THAT SECOND MAP WITH A, A LARGER PARCEL.
AND WOULD THE INTENT, THE INTENT NEXT MONTH TO COME FOR GENERAL AND FINAL SAME AS AT THE SAME TIME? YEAH.
SO WE'LL GO THROUGH THIS SAME TWO STEP PROCESS HERE.
WE'LL CONTINUE IT AND IF HE NEEDS TO SUPPLEMENT APPLICATION, THAT'S FINE.
I THINK IF SO, IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE BOARD TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEMS A AND B TO THE SEPTEMBER 5TH PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEETING.
I'M DIRECT MOTION, I MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS.
NEXT MEETING'S GONNA SET ALL OVER TAYLOR, SAY AYE.
ALRIGHT, WE'LL SEE SEPTEMBER 5TH.
[3.B. “WEST NEW BERN, PARCEL A: FINAL PLAN” Parcel Identification: #8-209-13001 Number of Lots: 1 Location: 3000 MAHEW DRIVE Zoning: C-3 Property Owners: WEYERHAEUSER REAL ESTATE Applicant: MCKIM & CREED ]
SAME THING FOR THE SECOND AGENDA ITEM.I GUESS JUST CONTINUE THAT ONE AS WELL SINCE CHERYL, WE'LL MAKE ANOTHER MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEM B.
WE'LL SEE YOU GUYS NEXT MONTH.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ITEM B I MOTION ITEM FREE TABLE ITEM.
SO THIS SEPTEMBER, UM, I'LL, UH, ACCEPT THEN.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR TO SAY AYE.
[3.C. LAND USE ORDINANCE TEXT AMENDMENT Code Section: Section 15-343 “Flexibility in administration required.”]
ALRIGHT, SO HERE WE ARE AGAIN.SO WE, FOR THE LAST TWO OR THREE MEETING, THREE MEETINGS, I THINK WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSION.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SOME PROS AND CONS AND DIFFERENT WAYS TO ACCOMMODATE HOW TO MAKE IT A BIT EASIER TO REUSE OUR EXISTING BUILDINGS DOWNTOWN.
UM, WE EXPLAINED THAT WE WERE HAVING A PROBLEM PERMITTING NEW BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN BECAUSE THEY CANNOT TYPICALLY APPLY THE VERY LITERAL PARKING STANDARDS THAT WERE DESIGNED FOR NEW BUILDINGS, NOT HISTORIC BUILDINGS.
SETH WALKED YOU THROUGH SOME RESEARCH HE DID WHERE MOST COASTAL HISTORIC CITIES, UM, HAVE ELIMINATED PARKING REQUIREMENTS TO ENCOURAGE THE REUSE OF, OF BUILDINGS LIKE WE HAVE DOWN HERE.
AND SO WE TALKED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS AND WE DREW UP A POTENTIAL EXPANDED, UH, SORT OF AN OVERLAY ZONE, WHICH IS IN YOUR PACKET.
WE COULD ADVANCE THAT TO THE LAST SLIDE THAT HAS THE PARKING MAP ON IT.
CURRENTLY, THE AREAS THAT ARE SHADED AND YELLOW ARE NOT REQUIRED TO DEMONSTRATE PARKING SPACES TO OPEN A NEW BUSINESS IN THAT AREA.
AND ONE OPTION THAT WE LOOKED AT WAS EXPANDING IT.
UM, WE TALKED ABOUT A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT PROTECTING AS WELL.
WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT MAKING SURE WE WEREN'T EXEMPTING NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME CHALLENGES THAT THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT HAS, WHICH IS HOW WE GOT TO THIS ITERATION OF THIS MAP.
WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT WHERE, UM, LOGICALLY WE SHOULD NOT GIVE A PARKING PASS.
AND SO BOTH VERSIONS OF A POTENTIAL TEXT AMENDMENT CHANGED BEFORE YOU, UH, INCLUDE EXEMPTING SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
UM, THAT IS THE, THE REFERENCE THAT IS IN THERE.
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OUT, BUT THAT'S WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT IS.AND THAT SAYS THAT FOR A PARTIAL HOUSE, YOU NEED TWO SPACES FOR THE OWNER AND ONE OFF STREET SPACE PER ROOM RENTED.
AND FOR A WHOLE HOUSE YOU NEED THREE SPACES.
SO WE'VE GOT THOSE OP THAT'S IN BOTH OPTIONS.
AND THEN ONE OF THOSE OPTIONS, UH, SAYS THAT WE WOULD OFFER THE ABILITY TO ELIMINATE EXISTING PARKING SPACES IF YOU WENT AND GOT A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
THE OTHER OPTION DOES NOT INCLUDE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT FURTHER CHALLENGES ASSOCIATED WITH PARKING DOWNTOWN.
AND, UM, THAT, THAT WAS GREAT CONVERSATION.
I DON'T GET THE VIBE FROM CITY HALL.
WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT METERS OR PAID PARKING.
I ALSO STILL DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS ANY DESIRE TO TEAR DOWN TO SORT BUILDINGS TO BUILD A PARKING GARAGE.
SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE DON'T NEED TO, TO CONSIDER IN OUR CONVERSATION MOVING FORWARD AT THIS POINT.
IT WAS MENTIONED WHEN I BRIEFED THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN FROM OUR LAST MEETING, THAT WE WERE CONCERNED WITH HANDICAP ACCESS IN DOWNTOWN PARKING IN GENERAL.
AND I'M ACTUALLY HAPPY TO REPORT THAT WE HAVE SOME FUNDING AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA START SEEING SOME, UM, HANDICAP SPACES IS PARTICULARLY WHERE WE CAN GET THEM IN ON CORNERS DOWNTOWN.
WE HAVE A NEW M P O ADMINISTRATOR AND SHE'S RUNNING WITH THAT FOR US.
SO, BUT I'M GLAD THAT THAT CAME UP BECAUSE IT CAME UP IN ANOTHER CONVERSATION RECENTLY.
IT WAS ALSO MENTIONED, UM, AS MR. INGRAM HAS MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES, THE CONCERN WITH IF THIS IS REALLY SUCCESSFUL AND WE FILL EVERY BUILDING AND PEOPLE ARE PARKING EVERYWHERE ABOUT PARKING PASSES, I INCLUDED THAT IN THE MEMO.
I WILL CONTINUE, UM, TO BRING THAT UP AS A SIDE CONCERN.
BUT AGAIN, TO REFOCUS OUR CONVERSATION, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS AVOID TELLING PEOPLE WHEN THEY CALL IN DUE D DUE DILIGENCE, I'D LIKE TO OPEN THIS DOWNTOWN.
AND YOU GO TO THE VERY LITERAL PARKING STANDARDS, UM, IN SECTION 15 3 4 15 DASH YEAH, SECTION 15, THAT'S GONNA TAKE YOU TO A CHART AND REQUIRE A WHOLE BUNCH OF SPACES.
SO YOU HAD ASKED FOR AN UPDATED MAP.
SETH HAD ALICE PUT THIS TOGETHER BEFORE HE LEFT.
YOU'VE GOT HERE THE PURPLE PARKING SPACES ARE, UM, PARKING SPACES THAT EXIST, BUT THEY'RE PRIVATELY OWNED.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THE PUBLIC CAN'T PARK IN THEM.
THEY'RE DOWN THERE, BUT THEY'RE PRIVATELY OWNED.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE BLUE LOTS DOWN THERE THAT IT'S PUBLIC PARKING THAT'S AVAILABLE TO ANYONE DOWN HERE.
SO THAT'S WHAT THAT'S LOOKING LIKE.
OF COURSE THE YELLOW IS CURRENTLY EXEMPTED FROM THE PARKING STAIRS ALREADY.
THE QUESTION BEFORE US IS, DO WE WANT TO TAKE THE APPROACH TO EXPAND IT TO THE RED AREA? YOU CAN SEE THERE IS, UH, QUITE A BIT OF PUBLIC PARKING DOWN THERE AND OUR ESTIMATE OF THE 600 SPACES THAT'S ON, ON STREET AND IN THOSE LOTS WAS STILL ABOUT ACCURATE.
SO, BUT WE DO HAVE THIS UPDATED, THIS WAS JUST DONE SO KIND OF TO MODERNIZE THE MAP FROM A FEW YEARS AGO.
WE WERE REFERENCING AT OUR LAST MEETING.
SO WE, WE HAVE BEFORE YOU TWO OPTIONS TO BE USED FOR DISCUSSION OR MODIFICATION OR CONTINUATION TO ANOTHER MEETING OR WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO LISTEN TO MORE FEEDBACK.
SO, AND I KNOW SOME OF YOU WERE OUT CHITCHATTING AND THAT YOU HAD SAID YOU WOULD HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS OFFLINE WITH OTHER ENTITIES AND THINGS.
SO, UM, WE CAN OPEN THIS UP FOR CONVERSATION.
UM, AT THAT CONCLUSION, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE BOARD, UM, FOR CONVERSATION DISCUSSION.
IF THERE ISN'T, WELL, I THINK IT'S STILL THE, ONE OF THE MAJOR CONCERNS IS HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO PUSH BACK INTO THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S STILL A VERY VALID POINT IN MY OPINION.
SO I WOULD ON THIS OFFSET THAT CONCERN PERHAPS WITH, WE'VE GOT A FAIR AMOUNT OF PARKING AROUND THE PERIPHERAL OF THIS AREA THAT IS CITY OWNED PUBLIC PARKING, THE, THE BEAR LOTS.
THERE'S ONLY THREE ON THOSE THREE BLOCKS.
AND SO THE MAJORITY OF THOSE NOW, IF YOU GO THERE ON ANY GIVEN DAY, THERE'S PLENTY OF PARKING IN THOSE SPOTS.
I I WOULD CONTEND AS I HAVE IN THE PAST THAT WE DON'T HAVE A PARKING PROBLEM IN DOWNTOWN AND WE HAVE A WALKING PROBLEM IN DOWNTOWN RIVER.
AND SO I THINK EXTENDING OUR PARKING, UH, EXTENDING THIS, UH, EXEMPTION AND IF IT PUSHES THE PARKING OR PUSHES THE PUBLIC TO
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PARK FARTHER AWAY FROM THE CORE OF DOWNTOWN, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY GONNA PUSH PARKING INTO THE BEAR LOTS, WHICH I THINK ARE UNDER UNDERUTILIZED AT THE MOMENT.SO I, I, I DON'T, I DON'T, I WOULDN'T THINK THAT WE'D HAVE A PROBLEM PUSHING, UH, PARKING INTO THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
UM, THAT SEEMS UNLIKELY TO ME.
IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT SOMEWHERE YOU DRIVE THROUGH, YOU'RE GONNA THINK, OH, HERE'S A PLACE TO PARK.
UM, YOU SO IT, IN MY OPINION, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM, BUT I ALSO DON'T LIVE DOWN THERE.
AND SO I THINK THAT MAY BE WHERE SOME OF THE CONCERN, UH, FROM, FROM RUSTY'S COMING FROM.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S NOT A VALID CONCERN.
UM, I DON'T SEE THAT AS A PROBLEM.
WE, THIS CONCERN IS IT, I GUESS I, I NEED TO SOMEONE TO EXPLAIN TO ME WHY WE THINK THAT IF WE, IF WE MAKE THIS YELLOW, THERE WILL BE MORE PEOPLE PARKING IN THE OFF THIS MAP, ESSENTIALLY.
WELL, BECAUSE THEN THE, THE WAY THE PARKING IS HERE, HERE, IT WILL PUSH SOME PEOPLE INTO THE RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE ASSIGNED SPOTS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S A FACT.
JUST SO THESE, THESE PURPLE ONES HERE ARE, ARE SIGN SPOTS, THEY'RE PRIVATE, THEY'RE PRIVATELY IN.
WELL, BUT PUBLIC IS USE 'EM AFTER HOURS.
UM, AND IT'S NOT ON THIS MAP, BUT JUST NORTH OF THAT NUMBER 10, NEXT TO HANCOCK STREET, THAT'S YOUR BLACK BEAR LOT.
UM, UH, GOLD BEAR IS NOT PAID, IS IT? WHAT PART OF IT IS, SO PART OF IT IS ON THE NEXT TO THE RAILROAD TRACK.
IT ISN'T THAT THE RAILROAD OWNS THAT.
THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT INDICATED HERE IS PARKING, THE, THE GOLD BARREL LOT IS ACTUALLY THE PARKING AROUND THE FARMER'S MARKET, CORRECT? YEAH.
OUTSIDE OF THAT, INSIDE THE FENCE.
PEOPLE PARK THERE, BUT IT'S OWNED BY THE RAILROAD.
THAT'S WITHIN THE RAILROAD ROAD.
THERE'S A, EVEN IN THE PICTURE, RIGHT.
UM, BUT I, WHAT I WOULD SAY TO THE CONCERNS OF LIVING DOWNTOWN, MY MOTHER-IN-LAW LIVES DOWN THERE BY THE, UM, BY THE LIBRARY.
I PASS THE BLACK BEAR LOT ALMOST DAILY, UM, WHEN I'M GOING AND DOING THINGS IN MY MOTHER-IN-LAW'S HOUSE MM-HMM.
UM, AND IT IS, THERE'S NEVER ANYBODY THERE.
I MEAN, IT'S, IF THERE'S 10 CARS IN THAT WALK OR ANY GIVEN DAY, IT'S COLD.
WELL, THERE'S THE WALKING PROBLEM.
IT IT, IT, IT IS A WALKING PROBLEM.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, I THINK RUSTY HAS A, HAS A CONCERN.
I I DON'T, I DON'T SHARE THAT CONCERN.
UM, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PARKING.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THE SHRINERS LOT, WHAT THE COUNTY'S GONNA DO WITH THAT.
THERE COULD BE PARKING THERE, WE DON'T KNOW.
BUT YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE DOWNTOWN THAT PARK ALL DAY OR MEAN DOWN AT UNION POINT PARK ALL DAY.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CIRCLE.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN SIT HERE AND, AND WONDER, UH, FOR MANY YEARS AND GET NOTHING DONE.
OR I THINK, UM, TO HOPE, HOPEFULLY, UH, PROMOTE, UM, SOME GROWTH DOWNTOWN IN DIFFERENT AREAS THAT, UM, I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE HEARD AND I, I HAVE HEARD FROM OTHER BUSINESSES THAT HAVE NOT LIVED IN NEW DOWNTOWN.
UM, AND, AND WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO GROW DOWNTOWN.
I KNOW EVERYBODY'S HAPPY WITH IT NOW, BUT I'M BORN AND RAISED HERE.
JUST LIKE WE REMEMBER WHEN DOUBT YOU COULD ROLL A BOWLING BALL DOWN MIDDLE STREET AND NOT HIT A CAR.
SO WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T SELL ON LAURELS.
WE GOTTA CONTINUE TO MOVE, MOVE, MOVE ALONG.
WE HAD THE DOWNTOWN START AND WE DID END WELL FOR THE PURPOSES OF OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT.
INSIDE OF THAT MAP BETWEEN, BETWEEN THE COLORS YEAH.
FOR THIS DISCUSSION, IT'S WITHIN THAT RED AREA.
IT IS REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, THERE IS A CONCERN WITH SOME MEMBERS OF THE BOARD THAT WERE PUT PARKING OUTSIDE OF THAT MAP, BUT SO BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS INSIDE OF THE RED AND THE THE RED AREA.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HANCOCK? YES.
AND WHAT STREET? THAT'S THE AREA THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UH, AND ALSO BROAD STREET, I WAS MENTIONING NORTH OF BROAD STREET WHERE THE BLACK BEAR LOG IS, THAT'S NOT ON YOUR MAP.
UM, THAT, THAT WAS ALL THAT I WAS REFERENCING AND I THINK THERE'S A EMPLOYEE SPACE LEFT.
I'M NOT THE FAULT OF THAT NUMBER.
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WELL, I THINK THE STATS BROUGHT EXCELLENT LANGUAGE.SO I GUESS MAYBE WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET PAST THIS DISCUSSION OF THE, UH, WHETHER WE'RE PUSHING PARKING OUT OR NOT.
MAYBE THE BETTER THING TO TALK ABOUT TO GIVE STAFF SOME GUIDANCE IF WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THIS, WHICH IT SOUNDED LIKE, UH, MAYBE THAT'S THE CASE, BUT MAYBE THE MORE IMPORTANT THING TO TALK ABOUT IS THE LANGUAGE THAT'S BEFORE US AND WHAT DO WE LIKE, WHICH OPTION DO WE LIKE? I'M, I HAPPEN TO BE IN FAVOR OF THE, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT GIVES MOST FLEXIBILITY, UM, UH, TO THE CITY IN MY OPINION.
AND IT'S NOT A, UH, PROHIBITION IS JUST, IS GENERALLY NOT A GOOD THING.
IT JUST TAKES AWAY FLEXIBILITY.
AND MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS GOOD, BEEN HELPFUL.
JUST WANT TO BRING TO EVERYONE'S ATTENTION THAT IF YOU ARE INCLINED TO ALLOW A REDUCTION IN PARKING USING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, THERE IS A PRESUMPTION THAT A REDUCTION WILL BE PERMISSIBLE.
SO THAT'S KIND OF IMPLICIT IN THE LANGUAGE.
AND IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH, THEN I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S AT THE FRONT OF EVERYONE'S MIND.
SO YOU CAN CONCEIVE OF A SCENARIO WHEREIN SOMEONE WANTS TO REDUCE THEIR PARKING FROM A NUMBER TO ZERO AND THEY APPLY FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
THERE IS A PRESUMPTION THAT THAT PERMIT SHOULD BE GRANTED.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN, SO IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT'S SO THAT NOT, BUT IF THE PROCESS IS THERE, RIGHT? IF THE PROCESS IS THERE, THERE'S ALWAYS THE POSSIBILITY OF THAT HABIT.
WELL, I PERSONALLY LIKE THAT MYSELF BECAUSE I, THE CITY HAS SOME OPTIONS THAT THEY CAN USE.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY 2 CENTS.
WELL, I, I DON'T THINK, BASED ON OUR DISCUSSIONS THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS, DON'T THINK ANY OF US ARE IN FAVOR OF ELIMINATING PARKING DOWNTOWN.
HOWEVER, UM, I THINK THAT PROCESS BEING IN PLACE RATHER THAN A PROHIBITION MAKES MORE SENSE TO ME FROM A PLANNING POINT OF VIEW.
UM, WHAT DO YOU, SHOULD WE, WELL, AND SO, UM, I DON'T THINK I CAN MAKE A, I WOULD, I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN MAKE A MOTION, BUT I WOULD END THE DISCUSSION.
I WOULD PERHAPS RECOMMEND THAT AND THE BOARD CAN DO AS IT WISHES, UM, TO BRING THAT BACK FOR, UH, A DISCUSSION AND A VOTE AT THE NEXT MEETING.
BUT THE, THE BOARD CAN, CAN DO AS IT AS IT'S, AND, AND I WAS SAY MR. CHAIR, THAT THIS ITEM WAS ON FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES.
UM, SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GIVE DIRECTION TO STAFF TO BRING BACK THE, UM, ORDINANCE LANGUAGE CONTAINING THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND THIS MAP, IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS GENERAL CONCEPT, YOU CAN DIRECT STAFF TO BRING THOSE TWO ITEMS BACK TO YOUR SEPTEMBER MEETING.
YOU CAN HAVE A MORE ROBUST DISCUSSION AND TAKE ANY ACTION IF YOU ARE SO INCLINED TO DO SO.
HOW DOES EVERYBODY FEEL ABOUT THAT? I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION TO THE SEPTEMBER MEETING AND, UH, AND DIRECT STAFF TO, UM, PROVIDE THE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE FOR FURTHER REVIEW AND DISCUSSION.
ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THAT? ALL THOSE, HEARING NONE.
ALL THOSE, UH, FULL MOTION SAY AYE.
[4. STAFF UPDATES]
TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, STAFF UPDATES.YOU'LL NOTICE THAT MATT AND I ARE HERE TONIGHT RUNNING THIS MEETING.
WE, UH, SETH'S LAST DAY WAS YESTERDAY.
SETH, I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH HE TOLD YOU ALL.
UM, SETH, UH, FAMILY HAS BEEN GOING THROUGH SOME, SOME PERSONAL ISSUES AND THEY'VE JUST DECIDED HE WAS BETTER OFF WORKING MUCH CLOSER TO HOME.
HE LIVES NEAR LITTLE WASHINGTON, SO HE, HE WAS DRIVING HER QUITE A BIT AND SO WE HAD HIM A GOODBYE PARTY YESTERDAY.
THIS WAS HIS LAST PARTING GIFT TO US.
SO, UM, HIS JOB DESCRIPTION HAD BECOME A LITTLE ANTIQUATED.
WE HAVE SOME REALLY GREAT APPLICATIONS FOR IT IN ALREADY.
SO, UH, THAT PERSON WILL CONTINUE TO REALLY BE THE LIAISON TO THIS BOARD, BUT WE'LL JUST ASK FOR A LITTLE BIT OF GRACE FOR THE NEXT FEW MONTHS AS WE, UM, CYCLE OUT AND IN AND MODERNIZE A LITTLE BIT MORE.
I THINK THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT TONIGHT.
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MATT, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? UH, NO, I DO NOT.OTHER THAN I'M GLAD TO BE HERE AND YOU'LL BE OUR GUY FOR THE NEXT UNTIL, UNTIL THE ARRIVE
MATT, MATT IS, UH, SERVING, UM, HELPING OUT, PICKING UP THE SLOT WITH THE ZONING PERMITS AND ALL THINGS THAT RAN THROUGH STUFF.
SO YOU, WE FINALLY JUST GOT HIM ABOUT BACK TO NORMAL.
IT'S LIKE DEJAVU ALL OVER AGAIN.
SO HOPEFULLY IT WON'T BE YEARS AND FOUR, FOUR JOBS FOR HIM THIS TIME.
I VERY APPRECIATE HE GOT US THROUGH THIS.
SO PLEASE BE PATIENT IF, UH, THERE'S SOME DELAY AND SOME, UH, RESPONSES TO ANYTHING.
ITEM NUMBER FIVE, DOES ANY UH,
[5. Board member comments]
BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY COMMENTS? JUST WELCOME KELLY.ALRIGHT, WE'RE JUST GONNA MOVE ON TO, UH, UH, NUMBER SIX.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
I'LL, WELL, I MOVE THAT WE ADJOURN.