Aug 22, 2023 Board of Aldermen

THE CHANCE TO, UH, LOOK AT THE AGENDA? IF SO, I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE.

HAS THE BOARD HAD

[3. Approve Agenda]

SO MOVED.

I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.

ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? AGENDA? IS APPRO APPROVED? UH, NEXT

[Consent Agenda]

IS THE CONSENT AGENDA.

IT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD.

MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.

WE ARE GOING TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ADOPTING AN ORDINANCE TWO NEX 2 0 1 RIVERSIDE DRIVE.

I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.

ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL STARTING WITH ALDERMAN PR.

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ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX.

[6. Conduct a Public Hearing and Consider Adopting an Ordinance to Annex 201 Riverside Drive]

MR. HUGHES, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR ALDERMAN.

ANDREW GATSY SUBMITTED A PETITION TO ANNEX THAT PROPERTY ON RIVERSIDE DRIVE IN TOWNSHIP TWO.

THE PROPERTY CONSISTS OF A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE ON A 0.233 ACRE TRACT.

AFTER CONDUCTING THE PUBLIC HEARING, THE BOARD, THE BOARD IS ASKED TO CONSIDER A REQUEST FOR ANNEXATION.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE WE OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING? HEARING NONE AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK WITH REGARDS TO ITEM NUMBER SIX.

PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.

SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.

NOW THE BOARD SHOULD, UH, CONSIDER ADOPTING A RESOLUTION OR CONSIDER ADOPTING AN ORDINANCE TO ANNEX 2 0 1 RIVERSIDE DRIVE.

MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AN ORDINANCE TO ANNEX 2 0 1 RIVERSIDE DRIVE.

I HAVE A MOTION A SECOND.

TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, UPDATE ON THE OLD NORTH STATE LEAGUE PROPOSAL FOR CAPER PARK, MR. HUGHES.

LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL STARTING WITH ALDERMAN ROYAL.

[7. Update on The Old North State League Proposal for Kafer Park.]

SO DURING THE JULY 25TH BOARD MEETING, ALEC ARD WITH THE OLD NORTH STATE LEAGUE MADE A PRESENTATION TO THE GOVERNING BOARD TO REQUEST A LEASE ON CAPER PARK, UH, FOR THE A SUMMER, UH, COLLEGIATE WOODEN BAT BASEBALL LEAGUE IN NEWBURN.

UH, AFTER HIS PRESENTATION, THE BOARD ASKED FOR SOME COMMUNITY INPUT.

SO ON AUGUST 9TH, WE RELEASED A SURVEY THROUGH THE PRESS AND SOCIAL MEDIA, AS WELL AS ON OUR CITY WEBSITE.

UH, WE ALSO HAD HARD COPIES OF THAT, OF THAT SURVEY AVAILABLE TO CITY HALL, IT'S PARKS AND RECREATION FACILITIES.

AND TO DATE, WE HAVE RECEIVED 380 SURVEYS.

SO YOU WERE SENT SOME INFORMATION IN THE WEEKLY REPORT AND ALSO AS PART OF, UH, THIS AGENDA PACKET, WE GAVE YOU AN UPDATE IN FRONT OF YOU THIS EVENING.

I THINK THERE WERE ABOUT 15 OR 20 ADDITIONAL RESPONSES.

UH, 94% OF THE SURVEY RESPONDENT SUPPORT A PROPOSED SUMMER SUMMER LEAGUE IN NEW BERN.

UM, WHAT WE SAW WAS THE MAIN CONCERN ON THE SURVEY ITSELF WAS PARKING.

AND SO WE DID HAVE PUBLIC WORKS TO, TO LOOK AT, AT ON STREET PARKING TO SEE HOW MANY SPACES WE COULD POSSIBLY GATHER.

AND SO WE LOOKED AT BASICALLY AT A QUARTER MILE RADIUS OF BASICALLY CAPER PARK HEADING TOWARD, UH, CEDAR GROVE CEMETERY AND GOING DOWN GEORGE STREET AND QUEEN STREET.

AND SO INCLUDING THE ON STREET PARKING THAT IS CURRENTLY NOT MARKED, AS WELL AS LOOKING AT THE GEORGE STREET SPLASH PAD AND THE GRASSY AREA WE HAVE BEHIND THE SENIOR CENTER, UH, WE COULD ACCOMMODATE APPROXIMATELY 350 SPACES FOR VEHICLES.

SO I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT A PUBLIC MEETING WAS HELD ON MONDAY, AUGUST 14TH AT THE OMEGA CENTER.

APPROXIMATELY 46 FOLKS WERE IN ATTENDANCE FOR THAT.

UH, UH, BASED ON THE INFORMATION WE SAW ON FACEBOOK, 2,400 VIEWED THE LIVE STREAM, UH, AND ABOUT 40 HAVE WATCHED THAT ON, UH, YOUTUBE.

THE MEETING WAS ALSO RECORDED AND IS AVAILABLE ON CITY THREE TV.

DURING THE MEETING, ALEC WITH THE OLD NORTH STATE LEAD MADE THE SAME PRESENTATION HE GAVE TO THE GOVERNING BOARD, AND THEN HE HAD PROVIDED AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CITIZENS TO ASK WHATEVER QUESTIONS THEY HAD.

AND SO YOU'VE GOT A SUMMARY IF YOU WEREN'T ABLE TO ATTEND THE MEETING, YOU'VE GOT A SUMMARY IN FRONT OF YOU AS WELL AS OF SOME OF THE QUESTIONS.

UM, OVERALL IT LOOKED LIKE THERE WAS A POSITIVE RECEPTION BY THOSE IN ATTENDANCE.

WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE REGARDING THAT PUBLIC INPUT.

THE BOARD HAVE QUESTIONS.

FOSTER, BESIDES PARKING, UM, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF COMMENTS ABOUT BATHROOM FACILITIES AT THE PARK.

UM, ARE THERE CURRENTLY FACILITIES AVAILABLE AT, AT THE PARK? THERE CURRENTLY ARE, UH, RESTROOM FACILITIES AVAILABLE THERE, AND, AND OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I THINK THERE ARE A TOILET AND A URINAL IN THE MEN'S RESTROOM AND AT LEAST TWO TOILETS IN THE WOMEN'S RESTROOM.

AND, AND SO IF SOMETHING OCCURRED WITH THAT, IT WOULD REALLY BE UP TO, TO THE GROUP THAT'S LEASING TO ADD ADDITIONAL PORTAGE JOHNS OR, OR OR WHATNOT TO TO ACCOMMODATE THE APPROPRIATE SIZE CROWD.

ARE THEY IN, IN A CONDITION, UH, WHERE THERE NEEDS TO BE ANY IMPROVEMENT MADE TO THEM OR ARE THEY FULLY FUNCTIONAL? THEY ARE FULLY FUNCTIONAL AND CURRENTLY IN USE BY THE, UH, THE CURRENT, UH, BASEBALL LEAGUE THAT'S PLAYING THERE.

KAFER PARK AND EBENEZER CHURCH, THERE ARE TWO CITY COUNTY OWNED LOTS THAT, UM, JUST THE FACT THAT THEY ARE THERE, THEY'RE UTILIZED FOR PARKING FOR CHURCH EVENTS, FOR EVENTS AT THE OMEGA CENTER, FOR THE EXISTING BASEBALL THAT'S PLAYED AT THE PARK.

ALSO, UM, GETTING BACK TO THE PARKING BETWEEN

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UM, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE, UM, TO HAVE PUBLIC WORKS GET OVER THERE AND MAYBE JUST CLEAN THOSE LOTS UP A LITTLE BIT TO MAKE THEM, UM, MAYBE FULLY UTILIZED FOR PARKING SINCE OFF STREET PARKING WILL BE AT A PREMIUM? YES, IT WOULD.

UM, IF THIS, YOU KNOW, PROGRAM GETS APPROVED, YES.

THANK YOU .

WITH REGARD TO THE SECOND PAGE OF THE HANDOUT WE RECEIVED ABOUT PRESERVING THE HISTORY OF THE PARK AND, UM, WHO WILL MAINTAIN THE FIELDS, UNDERSERVED KIDS, WILL THEY BE ABLE TO ATTEND THE GAMES AND DO THEY HAVE GRANTS OR SCHOLARSHIPS? I'D LIKE, THERE'S A LOT OF OPEN-ENDED QUESTIONS HERE, SO WHENEVER YOU, WE, UH, MOVE FORWARD AND LOOK AT THAT CONTRACT, I CERTAINLY LIKE TO SEE ALL OF THOSE COMPONENTS ADDRESSED IN THE CONTRACT.

ALL BEST.

I, YES.

AND THE ONLY, UM, ONLY PROBLEM THAT, UM, I REALLY WAS CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE NETTING TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT THERE'S, HOWEVER THEY'RE GONNA, UH, REHAB THAT FIELD OR WHATEVER, THAT THERE'S SUFFICIENT NETTING THERE TO CATCH ALL THOSE FLY BALLS TO KEEP 'EM FROM HITTING THE CHURCH AND PEOPLE'S HOMES AND, AND CARS POSSIBLY AS WELL.

SO THAT WAS MY CONCERN WHEN MOVING FORWARD WITH THE CONTRACT AS WELL.

SO A GREAT QUESTION, AUTUMN INVEST.

AND SO THE CITY OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS HAS INSTALLED NETTING IN THE OUTFIELD, UH, AND MOST RECENTLY WE'VE INSTALLED SOME BEHIND EBENEZER PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH TO BLOCK ANY BALLS FROM HITTING THAT DURING THE PUBLIC INPUT MEETING.

UH, RA DID SAY THAT IF THINGS WORKED OUT THE LEAST, THEIR GOAL WAS TO PUT SOME, SOME NETTING ON THE, ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE FIELD SO BALLS WOULD NOT GO OUT INTO GEORGE STREET.

THANK YOU, SIR.

I, I JUST HAD THOSE, UM, THOSE TWO CONCERNS, THE NETTING ALONG LEFT FIELD.

'CAUSE IF WE'RE GONNA UTILIZE THE ON STREET PARKING, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE NETTING THERE.

AND THEN, UH, ALDERMAN PEREL BROUGHT UP A, A GREAT QUESTION.

IS THERE, IS THERE A CITY ORDINANCE OR SOME SORT OF REQUIREMENT THAT WOULD GENERATE THEM TO REQUIRE THEM TO PUT, UM, PORTA JOHNS IN BASED OFF OF THE ATTENDANCE? THERE IS NOT AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD REQUIRE THAT.

REALLY.

IT'S GONNA BE THE CROWD SIZE AND, AND, UM, THAT'S GONNA REALLY DICTATE IT.

CASE IN POINT, IF WE HAVE A CONCERT, WE'RE EXPECTING A BIG CROWD THAT USUALLY DICTATES WE NEED TO ADD MORE.

BUT IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER PER PER PEOPLE, WE DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO ADDRESS THAT.

MAYOR, DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? SURE.

AND ALSO, I, I FORGOT TO ASK AS WELL, UM, I KNOW IN THE COMMENTS WHEN I WAS READING THEM, UH, ABOUT SECURITY OF PEOPLE'S CARS AND BREAK-INS ARE, ARE POLICE OFFICERS NORMALLY AT THESE GAMES? SO IF THE LEAGUE WANTED TO HAVE OFFICERS TO ATTEND, UH, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THEY WOULD WORK OUT WITH PD FOR THAT.

UM, NOW POLICE ARE ALWAYS PATROLLING AROUND, BUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEY WOULD'VE TO WORK SOMETHING OUT WITH THE LEAGUE WOULD'VE TO WORK SOMETHING OUT WITH POLICE.

SO THE LEAGUE WILL BE RESPONSIBLE IF SOMEBODY'S CAR GET VANDALIZED OR BROKEN INTO? NO, MA'AM.

SO, OKAY.

I'LL INVEST.

I, I'LL, I'LL JUST SAY THAT, UM, I'VE, I'VE PARKED MY CAR AROUND THAT AREA MANY TIMES AND I, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY CONCERNS.

I THINK IT'S WELL LIT, ESPECIALLY DURING BASEBALL GAMES.

IT'S VERY WELL LIT.

SO, UH, I THINK THIS IS GOING TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO OPEN UP A PART OF THE CITY THAT SOME PEOPLE MAY NOT FREQUENT AND THEY MAY HAVE SOME MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT THE AREA AS WELL.

SO, OH, WELL, THERE'S ALWAYS MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT THE AREA, BUT THE REASON WHY I ASKED THAT QUESTION WAS BECAUSE IT WAS ON THE SURVEY.

THERE WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAD SOME ISSUES WITH THAT.

UM, AND THAT WAS IT.

ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, DISCUSSION OF PROPOSED CARTS.

NONE WHAT YOU NEED FROM US.

ALL I NEED IS IF THE BOARD SUPPORTS THIS, GIVE US DIRECTION TO ENTER INTO NEGOTIATIONS OR A LEASE.

UH, I'M, I'M IN SUPPORT ON INVEST.

[8. Discussion of Proposed CARTS Shelter Location.]

SHELTER, LOCATION, MR. CHILES.

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GOOD EVENING MAYOR BOARD.

UM, I WAS HERE TONIGHT TO PROVIDE Y'ALL ON UPDATE ON THE, THE FINAL PART OR FINAL LEG OF THE 2019 BUS SHELTER PROJECT THAT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES HAD UTILIZED TO, IN DETERMINING NECESSARY AS PART OF THEIR TRANSPORTATION NEEDS IN THE CITY'S CURRENT FIVE YEAR CONSOLIDATED PLAN.

SO THIS WILL BE THE FINAL, FINAL SHELTER OF THE THREE THAT THEY HAD SELECTED LOCATIONS FOR.

THIS THIRD LOCATION WOULD SERVE THE VAULT CENTER CAMPUS AS IT'S USED AS AN ACCESS TO JOBS AND JOB TRAINING FOR PEOPLE IN THE CITY.

THE, AS YOU CAN TELL ON THE MAP, THE AREA SELECTED IS INTERNAL OF THE VAULT CENTER CAMPUS WITHIN TOTALLY WITHIN THEIR SITE.

UM, I HAVE MET ON SITE WITH COLLEGE OFFICIALS TO GO OVER THE LOCATION AND WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH, WITH THIS LOCATION AND WE ARE PLANNING TO MOVE FORWARD, UM, WITH CONSTRUCTION.

WE ESTIMATE A 15 DAY CONSTRUCTION TIME, UM, WITH PUBLIC WORKS ASSEMBLING A BUILDING THE SITE WEATHER DEPENDENT, BUT WE SHOULD BE GET IT, BE ABLE TO GET IT DONE FAIRLY QUICKLY.

UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M MORE THAN AVAILABLE TO ANSWER 'EM FOR YOU, MR. BOARD HAVE QUESTIONS? NO, I JUST HAVE ONE.

I KNOW THAT THERE'S A, THERE'S A GATE THAT SECURES THAT PARKING LOT.

I'M ASSUMING THAT IT'S GOING TO BE OPEN AND ACCESSIBLE ANYTIME THAT CARTS IS GOING TO BE OPERATING.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT IS CORRECT.

NUMBER NINE, CONSIDER ADOPTING A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE EXCHANGE OF REAL PROPERTY OWNED BY THE CITY, IDENTIFIED AS A PORTION OF TAX PARCEL ID 8 2 0 9 1 2 0 0 3 FOR REAL PROPERTY IDENTIFIED AS TAX PARCEL 8 2 0 9 1 3 0 0 OWNED BY WAREHOUSE OR COMPANY.

THANK YOU FOR ASKING.

ALRIGHT, BEFORE WE INSTALL THIS, I THINK THAT'S, UH, SIR, SIR, A GREAT STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

SO THANK YOU, GEORGE.

THANK YOU, GEORGE.

MOVING ON TO ITEM

[9. Consider Adopting a Resolution Authorizing the Exchange of Real Property Owned by the City Identified as a Portion of Tax Parcel ID 8- 209- 12006 for Real Property Identified as Tax Parcel ID 8- 209- 1300 Owned by Weyerhaeuser Company.]

AND JUST AS A NOTE, UH, YOU HAVE AN UPDATED HANDOUT IN FRONT OF YOU, UH, THAT WAS RECENTLY PRESENTED, UH, TODAY FROM THE ATTORNEY WITH SOME CORRECTIONS.

SO, UH, I BELIEVE JORDAN HUGHES IS GOING TO MAKE THIS PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU WITH THIS AGENDA ITEM IS A, UH, COMMEND RECOMMENDATION AUTHORIZING THE EXCHANGE OF REAL PROPERTY FOR A SMALL PIECE OF, UH, CITY OWNED PROPERTY FOR A SMALL PIECE OF PROPERTY OWNED BY THE WEYERHAEUSER COMPANY.

UH, THE PIECE OF PROPERTY OWNED BY THE CITY IS A PORTION OF ONE OF OUR WELL SITES THAT'S, UH, WAS ORIGINALLY PART OF WAREHOUSE OR TIMBERLANDS.

WE, WE PURCHASED THAT BACK IN ABOUT 2009 IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT OUR, OUR NEW WATER TREATMENT PLANT.

UH, MOST OF THOSE SITES ARE, ARE A LITTLE BIGGER THAN WE NEEDED FOR THE ACTUAL WELLS, SO WE HAVE SOME BUFFER AREA AROUND ALL THOSE WELL SITES.

WE'VE EVALUATED THE REQUESTS AND WAREHOUSER ON THIS SITE AND THE SMALL, UH, 0.23 ACRES SLIVER THEY NEED IS OUTSIDE OF ANY OF OUR WELL BUFFERS AREAS AND WILL NOT IMPACT ANY OF OUR CURRENT OPERATIONS OR PLAN OPERATIONS AT THE SITE.

UM, AND WHAT WE ARE ASKING WAREHOUSER FOR IN EXCHANGE FOR THIS IS A, A, A SMALL PIECE OF PROPERTY ADJACENT TO ANOTHER ONE OF OUR WELL SITES ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF HIGHWAY 70.

SO WE, WHAT WE'VE ASKED WAREHOUSER FOR IN EXCHANGE FOR THIS IS A 0.66 ACRE PARTIAL ON THE SOUTH SIDE IS ADJACENT TO ANOTHER ONE OF OUR WELL SITES THAT WILL HELP ACCOMMODATE FUTURE WATER SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS, UH, FOR THE CITY.

WE'VE HAD A, A LOCAL COMPANY DO AN EVALUATION OF THE PROPERTY VALUE OF EACH THAT'S INCLUDED IN INFORMATION IN THE PACKET.

UM, YOU'LL SEE THE PROPERTY VALUES ARE, ARE FAIRLY CLOSE, ONLY ABOUT A $3,000 DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO.

UM, AND DISCUSSIONS WITH LEGAL COUNSEL FOR BOTH PARTIES.

THE EXCHANGE OF PROPERTIES SEEM TO BE THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO ACCOMMODATE THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT NEEDS FOR THE W HAER COMPANY, ALONG WITH THE FUTURE WATER SYSTEM NEEDS OF NEWBURN.

UM, SO WITH YOUR APPROVAL WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH EXCHANGE OF THESE PARCELS AND, AND BOTH PARTIES WILL HAVE WHAT THEY NEED TO MOVE FORWARD.

BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

BOARD HAVE QUESTIONS.

JORDAN IS THE, EXCUSE ME, THE, UH, THE, THE PIECE THAT WE WOULD BE TRANSFERRING TO W HAER, IS THERE A SPECIFIC PLAN THAT W HAER HAS FOR THE ADJACENT LOT PLUS THE PIECE THAT THEY WOULD ACQUIRE FROM US? VERY, VERY GOOD QUESTION ON IF, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THE W HAER COMPANY IS WORKING WITH ONE OF THE EXISTING, UM, PROPERTY OWNERS AND DEVELOPERS OUT IN THE WEST NEWBURN DEVELOPMENT ON EXPANDING THEIR CURRENT OPERATION.

IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THEY'RE, THEY'RE HAVING SOME ACCESS ISSUES BECAUSE OF WHERE THE WELL SITE'S AT.

SO THEY'RE BASICALLY CUTTING THE CORNER OF THAT WELL SITE TO OPEN UP, UH, OPPORTUNITY FOR EXPANDING THE EXISTING BUSINESS THAT'S OUT THERE.

I THINK IT'S DR.

ANA'S BUSINESS IS IS THE ONE THAT'S, UH, IN QUESTION.

I MEAN, THE PROPOSED USE, I MEAN, YOU'RE COMFORTABLE THAT IT WOULD'VE NO

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ON, SIR.

I'VE SEEN SOME PRELIMINARY PLANS OF WHAT THE INTENDED USE IS, AND BASICALLY IT'S JUST TO PROVIDE SOME DRIVEWAY ACCESS.

THEY DIDN'T QUITE HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO GET ALL THE ACCESS THEY NEEDED TO CONNECT TO PARCELS.

THEY NEEDED TO KIND OF CUT ACROSS THE CORNER OF THAT PROPERTY TO MAKE THAT WORK.

WE'VE HAD OUR, WE'VE HAD OUR, OUR, OUR, THE CITY'S CROSS CONNECTION COORDINATOR REVIEW IT, UH, AND COMPARE WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS OF OUR WELLHEAD PROTECTION PROGRAM ARE, JUST TO MAKE SURE THERE'D BE NO ISSUES WITH THE PROPOSED USE AND THE CONDITIONS OF OUR WELLHEAD PROTECTION PROGRAM.

AND, AND THERE'S NO ISSUES WITH THE PROPOSED USE, YOU KNOW, IN THAT PROXIMITY TO THE EXISTING WELL SIZE.

AND I SEE THAT THE, THE PARCEL THAT THE CITY WOULD BE ACQUIRING FROM ALSER, UM, IS A POTENTIAL FUTURE SITE FOR AN ELEVATED WATER TANK.

YES, SIR.

THERE'S NO QUESTIONS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR STATEMENTS? I MAKE A MOTION, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZED AND EXCHANGE OF REAL PROPERTY OWNED BY THE CITY IDENTIFIED AS PORTION OF THE TAX PARCEL.

8 2 0 9, UM, 12 0 0 3 FOR REAL PROPERTY IDENTIFIED AS TAX PARCEL 8 2 0 9 1300 OWNED BY WAREHOUSE OF COMPANY.

THANK SAME.

HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

10, CONSIDER ADOPTING A RESOLUTION APPROVING A LEASE AGREEMENT WITH THE NEW BERN CRAVEN COUNTY PUBLIC LIBRARY FOR 4 0 8 HANCOCK HANCOCK STREET.

LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL STARTING WITH ALDERMAN ASTOR.

MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER

[10. Consider Adopting a Resolution Approving a Lease Agreement with the New BernCraven County Public Library for 408 Hancock Street. ]

MR. HUGHES MAYOR.

WE WERE APPROACHED BY CATHERINE PLOWERS, UM, SEVERAL WEEKS AGO ABOUT THEIR INTEREST IN, IN RENTING THE OLD FIREMAN'S MUSEUM LOCATED AT 4 0 8 HANCOCK.

AND I'M GONNA ASK MS. FLOWERS TO COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THE REASONS WHY.

HELLO.

GOOD EVENING, HONORABLE MAYOR ALDEN AND NEWBURN ALDERMAN.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO ADDRESS THE BOARD.

MY NAME IS KATT FLOWERS AND THIS IS OUR NEW BERN CRAVEN COUNTY PUBLIC LIBRARIAN BRANCH MANAGER.

SHE'S NEW RECENTLY, SO I WANTED TO INTRODUCE HER TO YOU.

SHE HAS BEEN WITH THE NEW, UM, NEW BERN CRAVEN COUNTY LIBRARY SINCE SHE WAS 16.

SHE'S WELL KNOWN IN OUR COMMUNITY FOR HER, UM, VIVID AND ENTERTAINING STORY TIMES AND MANY OF OUR ADULTS AND YOUNG CHILDREN TODAY, UM, RECOGNIZE HER AS SHE WALKS ACROSS OUR STREET.

SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO HAVE HER HERE, AND I WANTED Y'ALL TO BE AWARE THAT YOU CAN CONTACT HER AT ANY TIME.

SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION REGARDING THE NEW BERN LIBRARY.

UM, SO BEFORE I BEGIN TO DISCUSS THE RENOVATION PROJECT OF THE NEW BERN LIBRARY, THE C P R L BOARD MET TODAY AND THEY ASKED THAT I, UM, THEY REQUESTED THAT I THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORKING WITH THE LIBRARY SYSTEM AND YOUR DEDICATION TO YOUR COMMUNITY.

AND CONSTITUENTS IS APPLAUDED BY THEM, SO PLEASE EXPRESS THEIR, ACCEPT THEIR THANKS.

AS YOU ARE AWARE, THE NEW BERN CRAVEN COUNTY LIBRARY SUSTAINED SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURAL DAMAGE DURING FLOODING OF HURRICANE FLOORING.

EROSION OF THE SOIL UNDERNEATH THE FACILITY HAS CAUSED THE, UM, SLAB TO BREAK, AND THERE'S AREAS THAT ARE RAISED, UM, IT IS CAUSING STRUCTURAL ADDITIONAL STRUCTURAL DAMAGE FUNDS WERE, UM, ALLOCATED TO THE COUNTY TO DO REPAIRS AND, BUT THE PROJECT IS A SIX TO NINE MONTH PROJECT IN WHICH THE LIBRARY WOULD HAVE TO BE CLOSED TO THE COMMUNITY.

AS YOU ARE AWARE, THE NEW BERN CRAVEN COUNTY LIBRARY IS CRUCIAL TO OUR COMMUNITY.

WE CIRCULATE OVER 395 HOTSPOTS OF FREE INTERNET, OVER 150 LAPTOPS AS WELL OF OUR CIRCULATION OF BOOKS, EBOOKS, E AUDIO BOOKS, UM, OUT DO MOST OF THE LIBRARIES ON THE EASTERN COAST.

SO IT IS ONE OF OUR HIGHEST USED LIBRARIES ON THE EAST COAST.

UM, ALSO DURING THE RENOVATIONS, THEY'RE GOING TO REPAIR THE FLOORING, INSTALL NEW CARPETING.

THEY WILL ALSO BE, UM, REDOING ALL OF THE TILES IN OUR RESTROOMS AND OTHER AREAS.

AND THEY WILL BE DOING REPAIRING CRACKS PAINTING.

AND WE WILL ALSO, UM, MISS, UM, JENKINS HAS A BASIC FLOOR PLAN REDOING THE ACTUAL LAYOUT.

SO IT IS A MORE CONTEMPORARY, UM, LAYOUT THAT WILL MEET THE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY AND PATRONS AS THEY USE OUR LIBRARY.

OBVIOUSLY, TECHNOLOGY HAS BECOME MORE IMPORTANT.

THERE WILL BE A COMPUTER LAB, THERE WILL BE AN AREA WHERE PEOPLE CAN RELAX AND EAT AND DRINK, AS WELL AS A BRIGHT AND VIBRANT AREA FOR OUR YOUNG ADULTS TO VISIT AND UTILIZE THE LIBRARY AND MAKE IT PART OF

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THEIR LIVES.

UM, SO WE ARE REQUESTING THAT YOU ALLOW US DURING THIS PERIOD TO UTILIZE THE OLD MOUNT FIREMAN'S MUSEUM, UM, AS A TEMPORARY LOCATION SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO SERVE THIS AREA, UM, AS AGAIN, WE ARE CRITICAL TO THE SUPPORT OF SOME OF OUR CONSTITU YOUR CONSTITUENTS IN ACCESSING INTERNET AND PROVIDING ENTERTAINMENT AS WELL AS ACADEMIC TO OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR CHILDREN IN THE AREA.

UM, TODAY, THE C P R L BOARD DID APPROVE THE, THE LEASE AS IT WAS PRESENTED TO US TO GO FORWARD IN SIGNATURE BY OUR CHAIR, IF YOU SO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE LEASE.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US OR HAVE QUESTIONS? MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION APPROVING A LEASE AGREEMENT WITH THE NEWBERG CRAVEN COUNTY PUBLIC LIBRARY FOR 4 0 8 HANCOCK STREET.

SECOND, HAVE A MOTION A SECOND.

11, CONSIDER ADOPTING A RESOLUTION APPROVING A DEEDED CONVEYING 1101 MAIN STREET TO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION FOR THE CITY OF NEWBURN.

DOES I HAVE A ROLL CALL STARTING WITH ALDERMAN KINZIE.

ALDERMAN KENZIE? YES.

[11. Consider Adopting a Resolution Approving a Deed Conveying 1101 Main Street to the Redevelopment Commission of the City of New Bern.]

UM, MR. HUGHES OR MR. WILLIAMS? MR. WILLIAMS, I BELIEVE.

OH, YES.

UH, GOOD EVENING.

BOARD AND MAYOR.

UH, WHAT MR. CURTIS, UH, STEWART CAME BEFORE THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION IS REQUESTING A BID ON THE CITY OWNED PROPERTY THAT'S LOCATED IN THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA OF THE, WITH THE ADDRESS OF 1101 MAIN STREET.

THE, UH, REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, UH, UH, CONSIDERED THE HOUSING CONSIDERED HIS, UH, REQUEST AND THEY ASKED IF THE CITY WOULD ALLOW THEM TO, UH, TO CONVEY THE PROPERTY OVER TO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION SO THAT THEY COULD PUT SOME RESTRICTIONS ON THAT PROPERTY BEING THAT IT IS IN IT'S, UH, IN A C FOUR ZONE.

THEY WANTED TO ENSURE THAT THE PROPERTY WOULD BE UTILIZED AS MR. STEWART AT, UH, INDICATED FOR A RESIDENTIAL, UM, UH, PROPERTY THAT HE WANTED TO BUILD, WHICH IT, IT, IT ALSO ADJOINS THE A PROPERTY HE ALREADY OWNS OVER THERE.

UH, AND THEY, THEY JUST WANT TO SEE IF THEY COULD PUT THE RESTRICTIONS ON THE, UH, PROPERTY SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY DO WITH THEIR, UH, PROPERTY THAT THEY CURRENTLY OWN WITH, WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION PROPERTIES.

MR. WILLIAMS. JUST A COMMENT BEFORE WE GET THE DISCUSSION STARTED.

UM, THEY OBVIOUSLY DO NOT OWN THE PROPERTY.

THE CITY OWNS THE PROPERTY.

CORRECT.

AND THEY ARE FREE TO PUT RESTRICTIONS ON PROPERTY THAT THEY OWN.

SO THE PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE CONVEYED TO THEM PREVIOUSLY, THEY ARE FREE TO PUT RESTRICTIONS.

MY QUESTION IS, WHERE, WHERE DO WE DRAW THE LINE? WHERE DO WE COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF POLICY THAT ALL PARCELS THAT JUST HAPPENED TO FALL IN WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE PURVIEW OVER HAVING SOMEONE GO TO THEM AND MAKE A PRESENTATION WHEN THEY DON'T OWN THE PROPERTY? I GUESS THAT'S MY FIRST QUESTION.

IS THERE SOMETHING THAT THIS BOARD DIRECTION THAT WE NEED TO GIVE TO MAKE SURE THAT PROPERTY THAT IS NOT OWNED BY THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, THAT THEY DO NOT DISCUSS AND HAVE PURVIEW OVER MAYOR? THIS BOARD CAN DO WHATEVER IT WOULD LIKE.

UM, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, THAT THE CITIZENS NEED A PROCEDURE AS TO HOW TO ENGAGE WITH THE CITY IF THEY WANT TO BUY REAL PROPERTY WITHIN THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA.

UM, CURRENTLY THEY GO TO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION FIRST TO SEE IF THE COMMISSION HAS ANY DESIRE, UM, OR NEED TO IMPOSE RESTRICTIONS IN THE DEEDED BECAUSE YOU SIMPLY CAN'T.

SO IF THE COMMISSION CONCLUDED THERE'S NO NEED FOR ANY RESTRICTIONS, THEN THEY WOULD JUST SAY PASS AND THE MATTER WOULD COME TO YOU TO INITIATE THE SALES PROCESS.

SO THAT'S DESIGNED TO GIVE THIS BOARD MORE INFORMATION BECAUSE IF THEY START HERE, YOUR QUESTION IS GONNA BE, GEE, DO WE NEED CONDITIONS ON THIS PROPERTY? SO SOMEONE HAS TO ADDRESS THE NEED FOR CONDITIONS OR NOT? EITHER THIS BOARD CAN DO IT OR THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION CAN DO IT, BUT THAT'S GONNA BE STEP ONE.

SO THE CURRENT PROCEDURE, SINCE THEY DON'T OWN IT, WOULD BE SOMEONE THAT'S INTERESTED IN PURCHASING IT WOULD COME TO CITY HALL LIKE THEY WOULD IF IT WAS A PARCEL OUTSIDE OF THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION.

TO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION.

MAKE THE OFFER AND START THE PROCESS.

CORRECT? YES SIR.

WELL, BUT THEN IT GOES ON YOUR AGENDA.

CORRECT.

AND YOU START THE LEGAL PROCESS.

BUT IF YOU WANT TO IMPOSE A CONDITION, YOU HAVE TO TRANSFER IT

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SO THAT TIME AND MONEY HAS BEEN WASTED IF WE START HERE.

SO, SO MY STANCE IS IF WE HAVE PROPERTY THAT WE OWN THAT WE WANT CONDITIONS PUT ON, THEN WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND CONVEY ALL OF THOSE PARCELS TO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION.

THIS IS CURRENTLY OWNED BY THE CITY OF NEW BERN, NOT THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION.

SO THE PROCESS SHOULD BE COME TO CITY HALL, MAKE AN OFFER, AND WE START THE LEGAL PROCESS.

THAT'S MY STANCE.

I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP FOR ANYBODY THAT HAS A DISCUSSION.

WELL, WELL THAT WAS WHEN, UM, MY CONCERN WAS THIS.

I WENT OUT THERE AND LOOKED AT THE PARCEL AND FOUND THE PIECE OF PROPERTY, THE 1101 MAIN MAIN STREET, AND I SAW THAT IT WAS ON THE SELLABLE LIST OF THAT, OF THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION.

SO IF IT'S ON, AND THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION HAD NO USE FOR IT.

SO THAT'S WHY I, UM, TALKED TO MR. STEWART AND I TOLD HIM THAT, YOU KNOW, WE AS A CITY, I DON'T SEE WHERE WE NEED TO GO IN AND STRICTLY ON CITY PARCEL, NO TIES WITH THE COUNTY THAT WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THIS BACK AND FORTH PROCESS CONVEYING IT TO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, AND THEN IT HAS COME BACK TO THE BOARD.

I JUST THINK THERE'S A LOT OF STEPS THAT IT, THAT WE CAN AVOID AS A BOARD.

UM, ESPECIALLY IF, AND I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, IF THERE ARE PARCELS WITHIN THEIR PURVIEW THAT THEY MAY HAVE A USE FOR.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.

THAT'S WHY I WENT AND LOOKED AT THE SABLE USE AND IT IS UP FOR SALE.

SO THAT'S WHY I FEEL THAT MR. STEWART SHOULD BE ABLE, AND WE ALL ARE AWARE, WE ALL KNOW MR. STEWART, WE ALL KNOW THE PROPERTIES THAT HE'S ALREADY PURCHASED, THAT HE'S ALREADY, UH, REHABBED SOME OF THOSE, UH, PROPERTIES AND HE'S IN THE CURRENT PROCESS OF REHABBING SOME OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES HE'S HAS.

SO WE KNOW MR. STEWART, WE KNOW HIS ACTIONS, WE KNOW HIS, WE HAVE, I REALLY HAVE SOME OF HIS PLANS AND I KNOW HIS ACTIONS AND WE ALL ARE AWARE THAT, UM, HE, UH, HE'S A LAW ABIDING CITIZEN AND HE GOES ALONG WITH THE RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT THE CITY PUTS OUT THEIR ORDINANCE WISE AND WHATSOEVER.

AND HE'S IN THE PAST, UM, HAS DONE EVERYTHING THAT THE CITY ASKED OF HIM WHEN IT COMES TO PROPERTIES THAT HE HAS PURCHASED FOR AS REDEVELOPING THEM OR REHABBING THEM.

SO I, I JUST HOPE THAT THE BOARD WILL HONOR, UM, THIS REQUEST SO THAT HE CAN GO AHEAD AND SUBMIT A BID IN TO CITY CLERK.

AND IF, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ACTION THE BOARD MAY HAVE ON THIS, WHETHER Y'ALL WANT TO LEAVE IT AS IT IS.

UM, WE, AS THE CITY OWNED PROPERTIES THAT THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION HAS NO USE FOR THAT.

WE AS A CITY, AS A BOARD CAN GO HEAD ON AND IF WE HAVE A BID ON 'EM, GO AHEAD AND SELL THOSE PROPERTIES.

SO BARBARA, I'M CONFUSED.

BARBARA, ARE YOU, ARE YOU RECOMMENDING THAT WE, UM, TRANSFER IT TO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION OR NOT? NO, I'M SAYING I I, THERE'S A LOT OF STEPS THERE THAT'S JUST A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH THAT WE AS A CITY HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO HEAD ON AND MAKE A MOTION TO GO AHEAD ON TO SELL THIS, TO SELL THIS PROPERTY TO ANY CITIZEN THAT COME FORTH AND SUBMIT A BID BECAUSE IT'S A CITY OWNED PARCEL, STRICTLY CITY OWNED REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION DOES NOT WANT, HAVE NO USE FOR IT.

SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

I JUST, I JUST THINK THAT IF THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER CITY OWNED PROPERTIES OUT THERE, AND WE MAY BE GOING THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS, IF A IF A CITIZEN WANTS TO PURCHASE A LOT AND THE CITY OWNED, THEN THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO TO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, THEN THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION HAS TO REVIEW IT AND THEN THEY HAVE TO BRING IT TO THE BOARD AND THEN WE HAVE TO REVIEW IT.

AND THEN I JUST THINK THERE'S A LOT OF STEPS THERE THAT WE CAN, WE CAN JUST KNOCK OUT BY THIS PROPERTY BELONGING TO THE CITY OF NEW VERN.

STRICTLY HONOR MCKENZIE, UH, THE PROPERTY BELONGS TO THE CITY OF NEW VERN, AND I LIKE TO GO FORWARD WITH THE, THE USUAL PROCESS THAT WE DO WHEN WE HAVE PROPERTY FOR SALE.

SUBMIT, READ.

SO, MR. ATTORNEYS, I GUESS THERE'S TWO OPTIONS.

WE CAN APPROVE THE REQUEST THAT'S ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS TO CONVEY THE PROPERTY TO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, LET THEM PUT RESTRICTION, LET THEM SELL IT, OR THE BOARD COULD GIVE DIRECTION TONIGHT TO ACCEPT THE BID OR AN OFFER FROM WHOEVER, UH, THAT WE'RE GONNA SELL IT OUTRIGHT WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION.

THAT'S CORRECT.

AND, AND I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU ADOPT A POLICY SO THAT WE DON'T DO ONE-OFFS.

ONE-OFFS WILL, WILL, WILL CREATE A MESS.

SO IF AGREE, IF THE POLICY IS GOING TO BE CITY OWNED PROPERTY IN THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DECLARED SURPLUS, DOES NOT GO TO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION FOR ANY REVIEWS OR CONDITIONS OR DEEDED RESTRICTIONS, THIS BOARD WILL SELL IT OUTRIGHT.

COMMENTS? HOW DO WE CONSTRUCT THAT MOTION? YEAH.

THAT'S ALRIGHT.

SO AT THIS POINT WE'LL ENTERTAIN, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD WANT TO DO.

I DON'T KNOW IF OTHER MEMBERS HAVE COMMENTS, THERE'S NO COMMENTS.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF SOMEONE WANTS TO MAKE ONE.

DID THEY HAVE ANY

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IF WE DON'T MAKE ONE, IT JUST PASSED.

UM, WE DON'T HAVE TO CONSIDER MR. ATTORNEY.

COULD YOU HELP CRAFT A MOTION AND SOMEONE COULD MOVE ON THAT PLEASE.

THAT, THAT YOU'RE DIRECTING STAFF TO, TO IMPLEMENT A POLICY WHEREBY ALL REAL PROPERTY LOCATED WITHIN THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA THAT IS SOLELY OWNED BY THE CITY WILL NOT BE REVIEWED BY THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION AND BIDS ON THAT SURPLUS PROPERTY WILL COME DIRECTLY TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN FOR CONSIDERATION.

IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SEEKING TO DO IS TO DEVELOP A POLICY TONIGHT? OR WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT THIS CASE? WELL, WELL, TWO THINGS.

WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE WE'RE GONNA CREATE A LOT OF CONFUSION IF WE, IF WE DON'T HAVE A POLICY THAT IS CRYSTAL CLEAR SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS HOW TO ENGAGE WITH THE CITY FOR CITY OWNED PARCELS MM-HMM.

SO TONIGHT YOU CAN, YOU CAN ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UM, OFFER THIS PRO, IT'S ALREADY BEEN DECLARED SURPLUS OFFER FOR SALE AND, AND ENTER, ENTERTAIN ANY OFFER THAT'S SUBMITTED BY ANY CITIZEN FOR THIS PROPERTY.

THAT'S ONE ISSUE.

THE SECOND ISSUE IS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT, IS THAT GOING FORWARD, ALL CITY OWNED PROPERTY IN THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA, UM, WILL NOT BE, UM, SENT TO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION FOR CONSIDERATION OF ANY DEED RESTRICTIONS.

MEANING WHOEVER BUYS IT, BUYS IT AND, AND CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITH IT OR NOT, THAT THE USE OF THAT PARCEL WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED.

SO YOU'RE SAYING THIS MOTION IS, IS A COMBINATION OF THE TWO? WELL, WE'RE GONNA BREAK IT DOWN.

THE, THE FIRST MOTION WAS THE, WAS THE NOTION THAT THE MAYOR STATED THAT THIS PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1101 MAIN STREET HAS ALREADY BEEN DECLARED SURPLUS PROPERTY AND THE BOARD IS WILLING TO ENTERTAIN OFFERS FOR THAT PROPERTY.

SO LET ME DO THAT.

YES MA'AM.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION AND, AND WALK ME THROUGH IT NOW AGAIN, THAT WE WILL ENTERTAIN OFFERS, OFFERS FOR THE REAL PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1101 MAIN STREET.

THANK YOU FOR THE REAL PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1101 MAIN STREET.

I SECOND I HAVE A MOTION A SECOND.

EVERYONE CLEAR ON THE MOTION? ALL RIGHT.

ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL STARTING WITH ALDERMAN BEST? ALDERMAN BEST YES.

NOW THE SECOND PIECE IS YES, SIR.

AND, AND LET, LET ME ASK THE BOARD THIS.

UM, THERE THERE IS CITY OWNED PARCELS AND THEN THERE ARE CITY COUNTY OWNED PARCELS.

YOU MAY WANT, YOU MAY VIEW THOSE THE SAME OR, OR YOU MAY NOT.

UM, SO, BUT IF YOU VIEW THEM THE SAME, LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET THE PROCESS CLEAR.

WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT GOING FORWARD CITIZENS HAVE THE EXACT SAME PROCESS AVAILABLE TO THEM.

SO, UM, RIGHT NOW CITY PROPERTIES AND CITY COUNTY PROPERTIES GO TO THE REDEVELOP DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION.

AND WHAT WE'RE I THINK, ENTERTAINING TONIGHT IS DISCONTINUING THAT PROCESS AND JUST HAVING THOSE OFFERS COME TO YOU DIRECTLY.

SO, SO LET ME MAKE IT EVEN MORE COMPLEX.

OKAY? I BELIEVE THAT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IF A CITIZEN IS INTERESTED IN A PARCEL THAT'S OWNED BY THE COUNTY AND THE CITY, THEY CAN GO TO EITHER THE COUNTY OR THE CITY AND MAKE AN OFFER.

YES SIR.

THEY, SIR.

SO WE CAN'T REALLY PUT A RULE IN PLACE TO SAY A CITY COUNTY OWNED PARCEL HAS TO GO TO REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION.

'CAUSE THE COUNTY COULD INITIATE THAT PROCESS ON THEIR OWN.

THEY COULD, BUT WE HAVE AN EXCELLENT WORKING RELATIONSHIP.

AND THEY COMMUNICATE VERY QUICKLY.

AND IF THERE WAS A VERY STRATEGIC PIECE THAT WE OWNED TOGETHER THAT WE FELT WE NEEDED DEEDED RESTRICTIONS ON, THE COUNTY WOULD CONVEY IT TO THE CITY AND THEN TO THE COMMISSION.

AND THEN THE RESTRICTION COULD, COULD BE IMPOSED.

BUT THE WAY TO AVOID ALL OF THIS IS, NUMBER ONE, CREATE A POLICY AND NUMBER TWO, PERIODICALLY REVIEW OUR INVENTORY AND GIVE TO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION THE THING, THE PARCELS THAT THIS BOARD FEELS COMFORTABLE GIVING TO THEM.

YES, SIR.

UM, WILL NOT GO TO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION.

SO AT THIS POINT, UH, THE MOTION WOULD BE TO ADOPT A POLICY TO WHERE CITY AND COUNTY OR CITY OWNED PROPERTY, ANY NEGRO PROPERTY IN WHICH, IN WHICH THE CITY OWNS AN INTEREST THAT HAS BEEN DECLARED SURPLUS WOULD BE AVAILABLE, UM, FOR PUBLIC BID STRAIGHT TO THE BOARD OF OTTOMAN DIRECTLY TO THE BOARD OF OTTOMAN.

ANYBODY WANNA MOVE ON THAT ONE? YES.

UM, I MAKE A MOTION THAT, UM, A POLICY BE PUT IN PLACE THAT ANY CITY REAL PROPERTY THAT IS OWNED BY THE CITY,

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THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LITTLE TWIST ON THAT.

LET, LET'S DO IT THIS WAY.

UM, ANY REAL PROPERTY IN WHICH THE CITY OWNS AN INTEREST OKAY.

THAT HAS BEEN DECLARED SURPLUS, UM, IS OFFERED FOR SALE WITH BIDS COMING DIRECTLY TO THE BOARD THROUGH THE CLERK'S OFFICE.

THAT WOULD BE YOUR MOTION.

I MEAN, SO MOVED.

YEAH, YOU CAN SAY SO MOVED IF YOU'D LIKE TO SAY ALL THAT.

ALRIGHT, AS LONG AS EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO MOVED.

ALRIGHT, SECOND.

HAVE A MOTION A SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ITEM NUMBER 12, CONSIDER ADOPTING A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE SALE OF 1724 RIM AVENUE.

ANY OPPOSED? IT'S UNANIMOUS.

THANK YOU ALL.

[Items 12 & 13]

AND I'LL ALSO THROW IN ITEM NUMBER 13.

CONSIDER ADOPTING A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE SALE OF 2308 PEARSON STREET.

IF IT'S UNANIMOUS, WE CAN CONSIDER BOTH OF THOSE TOGETHER.

UH, MR. HUGHES.

MR. EUGENE KELLY HAS TENDERED AN OFFER OF $10,200 FOR THE PURCHASE OF THE RIM AVENUE PROPERTY.

THE OFFER WAS ADVERTISED BUT NO UPSET BIDS WERE RECEIVED.

THE PROPERTY IS A VACANT 0.044 ACRE RESIDENTIAL LOT WITH A TAX VALUE OF $20,250 THAT WAS ACQUIRED JOINTLY BY THE CITY AND COUNTY IN 2019 THROUGH TAX FORECLOSURE.

IF THE PROPERTY IS SOLD FOR THE BID AMOUNT, THE CITY WILL RECEIVE $3,432 43 CENTS AND THE COUNTY WILL RECEIVE $6,767 AND 57 CENTS FROM THOSE PROCEEDS ON THE, UH, THE NEXT PROPERTY.

THE THIRD PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT IN ESTATE INVESTMENT GROUP TENDERED AN OFFER OF $2,500 FOR THE PURCHASE OF 2308 PEARSON STREET.

THE OFFER WAS ADVERTISED BUT NO UPSET BIDS WERE RECEIVED.

THE PROPERTY IS A VACANT 0.115 ACRE RESIDENTIAL LOT WITH A TAX VALUE OF $5,000 THAT WAS ACQUIRED JOINTLY BY THE CITY AND COUNTY IN 2018 THROUGH TAX FORECLOSURE.

IF THE PROPERTY IS SOLD FOR THIS BID AMOUNT, THE CITY WILL RECEIVE $596 88 CENTS AND THE COUNTY $1,903 AND 12 CENTS FROM THOSE PROCEEDS.

DOES BOARD HAVE QUESTIONS? MAY I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE SALE OF 1724 RIM AVENUE, AS WELL AS APPROVING THE SALE AT 2308 PEARSON STREET.

I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND ON .

DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? I'M SORRY.

I THINK SECOND.

14, CONSIDER ADOPTING A RESOLUTION ESTABLISHING A MUNICIPAL SERVICE DISTRICT COMMITTEE, MR. HUGHES.

ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD.

UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL STARTING WITH ALDERMAN RILL.

[14. Consider Adopting a Resolution Establishing a Municipal Service District (" MSD") Committee.]

SO IN RESPONSE TO INTEREST IN THE MUNICIPAL SERVICE DISTRICT COMMITTEE, WE HELD PUBLIC INPUT MEETINGS ON MAY 25TH AND JUNE 15TH AT CITY HALL.

UM, THE REASON FOR THAT WAS TO DISCUSS INTEREST IN CREATING THE COMMITTEE, WHAT THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE OF THAT COMMITTEE WOULD LOOK LIKE AND POTENTIAL PROJECTS.

WE SENT LETTERS TO ALL M S D TAXPAYERS INVITING THEM TO ATTEND THE MEETINGS.

UH, TOTAL FROM THE TWO MEETINGS WE HAD ABOUT 62 ATTEND.

UH, THESE MEETINGS WERE ALSO BROADCAST ON CITY THREE TV AND FACEBOOK.

UM, AND BASICALLY A COMBINATION FROM THE TWO MEETINGS.

THERE ARE ABOUT, UM, ALMOST 800 VIEWS FOR, FOR THOSE MEETINGS.

UM, SO WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT PROPOSING IS, UM, A COMMITTEE OF 10 VOTING MEMBERS THAT WOULD INCLUDE SIX COMMERCIAL MEMBERS, UH, BROKEN DOWN IN THE FOLLOWING CATEGORIES.

A LARGE COMMERCIAL REPRESENTATIVE, HOSPITALITY REPRESENTATIVE FEATURING, UH, HOTEL BED AND BREAKFAST, A RESIDENTIAL, UH, A RETAIL, A RESTAURANT REPRESENTATIVE, A RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT REPRESENTATIVE, ENTERTAINMENT NIGHTLIGHT REPRESENTATIVE AND PROFESSIONAL SERVICES REPRESENTATIVE.

AND THEN FOUR RESIDENTIAL MEMBERS.

WITH THE CAVEAT BEING THE RE THE REPRESENTATIVES MUST MAINTAIN A PRIMARY RESIDENT IN THE DWELLING THAT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE M SS D.

ALSO LOOKED AT FOUR EX OFFICIO NON-VOTING MEMBERS THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE WARD ONE ALDERMAN, THE CITY MANAGER, THE FINANCE DIRECTOR, AND THE SWISS BAY EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.

UH, COMMITTEE MEMBERS WOULD BE APPOINTED BY THE GOVERNING BOARD TO THREE YEAR TERMS. UH, THERE WOULD BE NO LIMIT ON SUCCESSIVE TERMS. THE BOARD WOULD WOULD IN FACT, UH, HAVE THE ABILITY TO, TO REAPPOINT AS NEEDED OR THEY COULD REMOVE MEMBERS AS NEEDED.

UM, THE, THERE WOULD BE AN ATTENDANCE REQUIREMENT TO WHERE MEMBERS MUST ATTEND AT LEAST THREE MEETINGS WITHIN ANY 12 MONTH PERIOD.

UH, AND THE GOAL OF THIS COMMITTEE WOULD BE TO VET POTENTIAL PROJECTS, BRING THOSE BACK TO THE GOVERNING BOARD FOR RECOMMENDATION, AND THE BOARD WOULD HAVE FINAL APPROVAL ON ANY OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.

UM, IF THE BOARD SO CHOOSES TO PROCEED WITH THIS, WE WOULD START WITH AN APPLICATION PROCESS.

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UM, BASED ON WHATEVER FEEDBACK WE WE GET FROM THIS, WE WOULD SEND THAT INFORMATION OUT TO M S D TAXPAYERS TO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO APPLY.

UM, WE WOULD GIVE IT PROBABLY ABOUT TWO OR THREE WEEKS, SEE WHAT WE HAVE.

UH, I THINK AS EARLY AS THE SECOND MEETING IN SEPTEMBER, WE COULD PROBABLY BRING A SLATE BACK TO IT FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER, UH, AND THEN WE COULD GO FROM THERE.

SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE AT THIS TIME FOR OUR QUESTIONS.

YES, I DO.

WOULD YOU DESCRIBE AGAIN, THE ADVISORY, UH, COMMITTEE SELECTION PROCESS? WHAT THE, WHAT THE SELECTION PROCESS WOULD BE? SO ANYONE THAT WAS INTERESTED IN SERVING ON THIS COMMITTEE WOULD HAVE TO FILL OUT AN APPLICATION.

UH, THAT WOULD BE AN ONLINE APPLICATION.

WE WOULD ASK THEM TO ALSO UPLOAD THEIR RESUME.

THAT WOULD GO STRAIGHT TO THE CITY CLERK.

THE CLERK WOULD IN TURN SEND THAT OUT TO THE BOARD.

LIKE, LIKE WE'RE DOING CURRENTLY WITH THOSE THINGS.

UH, WHEN WE HAVE A FULL SLATE OF CANDIDATES FOR THIS, WE WOULD BRING THAT INFORMATION TO, TO YOU AT AN UPCOMING MEETING.

UH, AND SO FOR AN EXAMPLE, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE COMMERCIAL BREAKDOWN, UM, IN THE APPLICATION, IT WOULD LIST JUST LIKE IF IT'S A LARGE COMMERCIAL REPRESENTATIVE, UH, THAT WOULD ONLY QUALIFY FOR FOLKS THAT HAVE REAL ESTATE PROPERTY VALUED $2 MILLION OR MORE.

SO, SO THEY WOULD PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION TO US.

WE WOULD VET THAT TO ENSURE THAT THEY MEET THAT THRESHOLD.

SO IF THERE IS A SLATE OF FIVE OR SIX THAT, THAT ARE MEET THAT GUIDELINE, THEN THEY WOULD BE LISTED UNDER THE SLATE FOR THAT, THAT, UH, THAT SEED ITSELF AND, AND ON DOWN THE LINE WITH RESTAURANT AS WELL AS RETAIL AS WELL AS SERVICE, ET CETERA.

AND SO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN WILL HAVE, UH, TIMELY ACCESS, UH, TO THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED IN ORDER TO SELECT THE COMMITTEE? THAT'S CORRECT.

YOU WOULD HAVE, YOU WOULD HAVE TIME TO REVIEW THE APPLICATION AS WELL AS THE RESUMES, UH, TO, TO FILL ALL THAT INFORMATION MM-HMM.

BEFORE IT WOULD COME TO THE GOVERNING BOARD TO VOTE ON.

AND, AND THE OTHER THING, UM, THE, WHAT WOULD BE THE POLICY THEN OF THOSE 10 VOTING MEMBERS, UH, IF THEY MIGHT BE A PART OF THE SWISS BEAR, IF THEY WERE MEMBERS OF SWISS BEAR? YES.

UM, WELL IF THEY OWN PROPERTY, IF THOSE INDIVIDUALS OWN PROPERTY IN THE M S D THAT JUST 'CAUSE THEY'RE A MEMBER OF SWISSAIR THAT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE ANY, ANY IMPACT ON ANYTHING.

UM, THE EX-OFFICIO MEMBER OF THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF SWISSAIR, THAT IS THE ONLY ONE THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING AND THEY WOULD NOT HAVE ANY VOTING RIGHTS.

IT WOULD JUST BE AN ADVISORY CAPACITY.

SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE 10 MEMBERS, UM, IS ONES THAT WILL ACTUALLY HAVE THE POWER TO MAKE AND CHANGE RULES REGULATIONS? THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON PROJECTS.

TO, TO FUND FUND PROJECTS WITHIN THE M S D BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF TAX REVENUE THAT THAT M MSSD GENERATES.

SO THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD VET THOSE PROJECTS AND THEN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE GOVERNING BOARD.

FUNDING.

SO THE GOVERNING BOARD WOULD BE THE, THE, THAT WOULD BE THE FINAL STOP WITH US OF HOW THE TAXPAYER'S DOLLARS IN THE, IN THE MUNICIPAL DISTRICT IS SPENT? CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

ARE WE GOING TO REVIEW ALL OF THE APPLICATIONS THAT COME IN AND THEN MAKE A DECISION ON EACH CATEGORY? OR ARE WE GONNA JUST DO IT THROUGH A, UH, YOU KNOW, PUT THE NAMES OF EACH CATEGORY AND THOSE THAT QUALIFY INTO, INTO A HALF AND, AND JUST RANDOMLY DRAW, UM, AN INDIVIDUAL TO, TO FILL THAT POSITION.

, ONE OF THE, THE ISSUES THAT THE BOARD IS GOING TO HAVE TO DECIDE IS ASSUMING THAT WE ARE GOING TO GET A NUMBER OF APPLICANTS, UM, BASED ON THE, UH, THE NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS IN THE DIFFERENT MEETINGS THAT WE HAD, WE'RE GONNA HAVE MORE APPLICANTS THAN SEATS ON THE ADVISORY BOARD.

AND ONE OF THE ISSUES IS THAT YOU WILL PROBABLY SEE PEOPLE QUALIFYING FOR MORE THAN ONE CATEGORY.

SO FOR, AND I'M GOING TO USE JOHN HAROLDSON AS AN EXAMPLE.

UM, MR. HARSON WOULD QUALIFY UNDER THE, UM, 2 MILLION PLUS VALUATION CATEGORY.

UM, HE WOULD HOTEL HOSPITALITY CATEGORY, HE WOULD QUALIFY FOR POTENTIALLY EVEN RESTAURANTS SINCE HE DOES HAVE RESTAURANT IN HIS HOTEL NIGHTLIFE.

I MEAN, HE DOES HAVE SOME EVENING ACTIVITIES.

UM, SO HE COULD POTENTIALLY QUALIFY IN, IN PROBABLY FOUR DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.

SO WHEN WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE EVALUATION PROCESS, I THINK ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE TO DECIDE IS,

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SO THAT'S ONE OF THE, I THINK, QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD NEEDS TO THINK ABOUT AS WE START THIS PROCESS FOR THE FOUR RESIDENTIAL, UM, POSITIONS.

THERE AGAIN, DO WE WANT TO GET INTO TRYING TO PICK AND CHOOSE FOUR OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT QUALIFY FOR THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, CATEGORIES, OR DO WE WANT TO JUST DO IT BY, YOU KNOW, THE LUCK OF THE DRAW AND AVOID ANY KIND OF DISCUSSIONS AS TO WHO MAY BE THE BEST CANDIDATE FOR A POSITION AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF THAT, THAT POTENTIALLY CAN HAPPEN.

SO JUST, JUST SOMETHING FOR THE BOARD TO THINK ABOUT AS TO HOW YOU WOULD WANT TO APPROACH MAKING THE SELECTIONS FOR THE VARIOUS CATEGORIES, WORDS.

ANOTHER, JUST SOMETHING THAT I'LL BRING UP.

UM, AND I, I, THE MORE I THINK ABOUT IT, WE PROBABLY DON'T NEED TO TAKE ANY FORMAL ACTION, BUT IT WAS JUST A, A CONCERN THAT I HAD IS THAT CURRENTLY, UM, THE CITY HAS, I BELIEVE, WELL IT'S AT LEAST 1.6 MILLION PLUS, UM, IN THE, THE M SS D FUND.

MY, MY ORIGINAL CONCERN WAS THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO PUT SOME CURVES ON HOW MUCH OF THAT MONEY IS TO YOU MAY GET ALLOCATED RIGHT OFF THE BAT.

I MEAN, I WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED IF THE, THE, THE NEW ADVISORY BOARD WERE TO COME BACK TO US WITH RECOMMENDATIONS TO SPEND EVERY LAST PENNY THAT'S IN THAT IS AVAILABLE IN THE FIRST YEAR.

YOU, THE, THE ULTIMATE DECISION IS OURS.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED TO HAVE ANY KIND OF A POLICY IN PLACE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP FOR YOU TO THINK ABOUT.

I THINK I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IF MAYBE INFORMALLY WE AS A BOARD WERE TO LOOK A LITTLE BIT LONGER TERM ON, ON THESE HOW THESE FUNDS AND WHEN THESE FUNDS ARE GOING TO BE UTILIZED.

BUT I REALIZE THAT THAT IS DEPENDENT UPON THE NATURE OF PROJECTS THAT ARE RECOMMENDED TO US AS TO HOW QUICKLY, YOU KNOW, THAT MONEY MIGHT BE DEPLETED OR USED IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO OR LONGER.

SO JUST, JUST A COUPLE OF CONCERNS.

I THINK, UM, I THINK YOUR LAST ONE, UM, IT, IT'S A GREAT POINT AND ULTIMATELY WE HAVE THE SAY OVER THAT, BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE COULDN'T ESTABLISH A POLICY LIKE WE HAVE, UM, FOR OUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS OR L G C WANTS US TO REQUIRE A CERTAIN BALANCE.

YOU KNOW, WE COULD SAY, HEY LOOK, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ALWAYS MAINTAIN A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OR DOLLAR AMOUNT SO THAT WAY THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE ON THAT ADVISORY COMMITTEE KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY THEY DO HAVE TO WORK WITH BECAUSE, UM, AGAIN, IT'S JUST AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

SO I THINK WE COULD, WE COULD DISCUSS THAT ONE.

THE, THE SECOND ONE I, GOING BACK TO YOUR FIRST COMMENT.

UM, SO MR. HUGHES, HOW DO YOU ENVISION A SITUATION LIKE MR. HARRELSON FOR EXAMPLE, THAT WOULD QUALIFY FOR MULTIPLE CATEGORIES, OBVIOUSLY? UM, HE CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN ONE SEAT.

I WOULDN'T THINK SO.

HAVE YOU THAT'S CORRECT.

THOUGHT ABOUT THAT'S, YEAH.

BASICALLY IN GREAT EXAMPLE IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MR. HAROLDSON, SORRY JOHN, BUT THAT'S, UH, NATURE OF THE BEAST, THE BEST EXAMPLE I THINK.

YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.

RAISED THE CONCERN.

SO, SO IF HE QUALIFIES FOR OR FOUR OR FIVE OF THOSE CATEGORIES AND HE WAS APPOINTED AT ONE, THAT THAT'S WHAT HE GETS, UH, IT'S EXCUSE, IT WOULD JUST BE WE SHOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR ONE CATEGORY AND THAT WAY THERE WOULDN'T BE NO, NO QUESTION.

I WOULDN'T, I I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR BECAUSE THE BIGGER INVESTMENT THAT YOU HAVE, YOU SHOULD HAVE MORE OF A RIGHT TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY ON THE BOARD.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF, IF HE QUALIFIES FOR FOUR OF THESE AND HE CAN ONLY APPLY FOR ONE AND HE DOESN'T GET IN THAT PARTICULAR CATEGORY, NOW HE'S OUT AND HE'S ONE OF THE LARGEST TAXPAYERS IN THE DISTRICT.

SO I THINK YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR ALL OF 'EM PERSONALLY AND AS WELL IF YOU HAVE, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS THAT, THAT MEET MULTIPLE CATEGORIES AND THERE ARE SEVERAL THEN, THEN THEY COULD PUT A RANKING ON ON ON THEIR PREFERENCE FOR WHICH CATEGORY

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IS THE HIGHEST THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE CONSIDERED FOR AS WELL.

UH, AS, AS FAR AS THE RESIDENTIAL ONES, UM, WE HAVE FOUR, WE HAVE FOUR OPENINGS.

AND LET'S SAY WE HAVE 20 PEOPLE THAT ARE QUALIFIED THAT MEET THE CRITERIA THAT'S GONNA BE VETTED TO MAKE SURE IT IS THEIR PRIMARY RESIDENCE AND THEY ARE THE INDEED THE OWNER AND THE TAXPAYER.

IF EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD WAS GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO PICK FOUR, THEN YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA WIND UP WITH A LOT MORE.

'CAUSE I DOUBT WE'RE GONNA HAVE FOUR UNANIMOUS DECISIONS.

SO MAYBE WE MIGHT WANNA CONSIDER SOME SORT OF RANKING PROCESS ONE THROUGH EVER.

HOW MANY, AND THEN THE ONES THAT GET THE MOST VOTES, WOULD THE TOP FOUR VOTE GETTERS, I GUESS ESSENTIALLY THAT OR PULL THE NAMES OUTTA HAT LIKE ALDERMAN PRE ALL RECOMMENDED.

SO I GUESS WE HAVE SOME TIME TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY DO THAT PROCESS.

BUT TONIGHT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION ON CREATING THE, THE GROUP, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

ONE LAST CONCERN THAT I HAVE, AND I EXPRESSED IT EARLIER, THERE WILL BE NO LIMIT ON SUCCESSIVE TERMS AND I KNOW CONTINUITY HAS ITS PLACE.

HOWEVER, I FEEL THAT IN THE INTEREST OF ALL PEOPLE THAT ARE A PART OF THE M S D FOOTPRINT, AT LEAST THEY SHOULD BE PROVIDED OPPORTUNITY TO UH, BE A PART OF THE M SS D.

UH, IF WE DO NO LIMIT ON SUCCESSIVE TERMS, THEN THAT WE COULD END UP IN PLACES WHERE WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST THAT ONE PERSON, TWO PEOPLE, THREE PEOPLE, HOWEVER THE CASE, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE BOARD APPOINTED, MIGHT JUST END UP SERVING ON THE M S D FOR THE NEXT 12 YEARS.

THIS IS A VERY VALID POINT AND I'M SURE I'M NOT AN M S D TAXPAYER, BUT IF I WAS MR. HAR HARRELSON FOR EXAMPLE, I WOULD SAY IF I OWN THIS MUCH AND I'VE MADE THIS MUCH OF AN INVESTMENT, I DESERVE TO ALWAYS HAVE A VOICE ON THAT PARTICULAR BOARD.

THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE THE COUNTER ARGUMENT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD CERTAINLY ENTERTAIN, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, MAYBE HAVING A COOL DOWN PERIOD, YOU KNOW, TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS AND YOU HAVE TO COME OFF BEFORE YOU CAN GO BACK ON AGAIN.

UM, THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD CONSIDER IF THAT'S A, A CONSIDERATION OR A CONCERN OF THE BOARD.

AND THEN ANOTHER ONE THAT I HAD WAS THE, IN SECTION SIX, IT SAYS THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN IN ITS DISCRETION MAY REPLACE ANY VOTING MEMBER WHO FAILS TO ATTEND THREE MEETINGS WITH ANY 12 MONTH PERIOD.

IF THEY ONLY MEET THREE TIMES A YEAR, WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES THEY'RE GONNA MEET.

SO THE GOAL WILL BE ON A QUARTERLY BASIS FOR THAT COMMITTEE.

SO THEY COULD STILL, THEY COULD BE ON THIS BOARD, HAVE FOUR MEETINGS AND ONLY MAKE ONE OF 'EM AND THEY WOULD CONSIDER BEING A, A MEMBER IN GOOD STANDING, SOMETHING THE BOARD MAY WANNA THINK ABOUT.

BUT LET'S CONSIDER AGAIN ABOUT THE CONSECUTIVE TERMS. I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA, MAYOR, THAT MAYBE TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS ROTATE OFF AND WHATEVER.

AGAIN, MY SAYING EVERY VOICE HAS VALUE.

SO ALDERMAN ROYAL IS ADVOCATE.

I'M TRYING TO FIND THAT SECTION.

SECTION SIX.

AND WOULD THAT BE ON, ON THE, ON THE COMMITTEE OR, OR REPRESENTING A PARTICULAR SEAT ON THE COMMITTEE? IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU WERE ON THE RETAIL, IN A RETAIL SEAT, UM, YOU COULD ONLY SERVE, UM, YOU COULD NOT SERVE MORE THAN TWO SUCCESSIVE TERMS IN THAT SEAT.

BUT IF YOU ALSO HAD A HOTEL SEAT, YOU MIGHT RUN FOR THAT SEAT.

SO YOU COULD BE ON THE COMMITTEE SUCCESSFUL SUCCESSIVELY, BUT NOT IN THE SAME SEAT OR ON THE RESIDENTIAL POTENTIALLY.

SO THEN WHEN WE LAY OUT THE PLAN, WE NEED TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

SO THE, SO I THINK THE PLAN THAT'S IN FRONT OF US TONIGHT, IF WE WANNA MAKE CHANGES, WE NEED TO GIVE 'EM DIRECTION NOW SO WE CAN APPROVE IT.

UH, MR. HUGHES, EXPLAIN THAT AGAIN PLEASE, ABOUT THE SUCCESSIVE TERMS AND WHAT, WHAT SEAT YOU'RE ON, WHETHER IT IS THE COMMERCIAL OR WHETHER IT'S WHATEVER.

WOULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT AGAIN? SO, SO THE CITY ATTORNEY MADE THE COMMENT IF, IF YOU LOOK IT LIMITED IT TO TWO TO TWO TERMS MM-HMM.

AT THE END OF THAT SECOND TERM.

IF, IF, IF CAN, IF IF, IF COMMITTEE MEMBER A WAS ON WAS UH, WAS SEATED TO THE RETAIL SEAT AND HIS TERM EXPIRED AND THERE WAS AN AVAILABILITY, UH, FOR RESTAURANT AND, AND HE HAD AN INTEREST IN A RESTAURANT, HE IN THE RESTAURANT, HE COULD, HE COULD BASICALLY REQUEST FILL OUT AN APPLICATION AND REQUEST TO BE SEATED IN THAT SEAT.

UH, IF THAT BE THE CASE, THEN THAT'S FINE.

ARE GOING TO START AND END AT THE SAME TIME BASED OFF OF THAT'S HOW IT'S SET OUT.

SO ALL THESE TERMS

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YES SIR.

SO I'M GONNA TRY TO HELP DISSECT THIS.

IS EVERYBODY GOOD WITH EVERYTHING IN THE RECOMMENDATION? WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE SUCCESSIVE TERMS, IS THERE ANY OTHER POINTS OF CONTENTION AND TO AND TO THE MAYOR'S POINT ABOUT PARTICIPATION, ARE WE HAPPY WITH THE MAKING, MAKING THREE QUARTERS OF THE MEETINGS THE FLOOR OR HALF OR, I THINK IT SHOULD BE HALF MYSELF.

I MEAN, IF, IF YOU HAVE FOUR MEETINGS A YEAR YOU CAN'T MAKE TWO, THEN YOU PROBABLY DON'T NEED TO BE SERVING ON THE BOARD.

THAT'S ME.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THE REST OF THE BOARD FEELS.

AND WE CAN CLARIFY REGULAR MEETINGS TOO.

'CAUSE SOMETIMES SPECIAL MEETINGS ARE CURVE FALLS AND YOU CAN'T DEAL WITH THAT.

RIGHT.

SO, AND, AND SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE HAD, WE HAD STRINGENT ATTEND THREE MEETINGS OUT OF THAT FOUR AS FOR THAT COMMITTEE.

SO YOU'RE SAYING THEY HAVE TO ATTEND THREE, THEY HAVE TO, THAT'S CORRECT.

THREE OUTTA FOUR.

ALRIGHT, WELL I'M FINE WITH THAT THEN.

THAT WOULD BE SEVEN FIVE.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S REGULAR MEETINGS, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT, YES.

I'M, I'M REALLY HOPING THAT AS MUCH INTEREST AS THERE IS IN THIS, THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A ISSUE WITH PEOPLE NOT ATTENDING.

SO I, I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA BE A CONCERN.

SO NOW TO ADDRESS THE CONSECUTIVE TERMS, UM, MR. ATTORNEY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO RELY ON YOU TO MAKE SOME CHANGES TO THIS.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THERE'S IS A TERM LIMIT FOR EACH SEAT.

YES, SIR.

FOR TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS. YES SIR.

DOES THE BOARD UNDERSTAND? SO YOU CAN'T SERVE IN THE SAME SEAT MORE THAN TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS? MM-HMM.

, EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT LANGUAGE? MM-HMM.

? YES.

SO, SO TWO THINGS ARE GONNA HAPPEN.

STAFF IS GONNA BE WORKING ON THAT APPLICATION AND WE'LL CIRCULATE THAT APPLICATION TO YOU SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT'S GONNA BE AVAILABLE TO THE CITIZENRY.

AND THEN ON YOUR NEXT AGENDA, WE WILL HAVE THE RESOLUTION WITH THESE REVISIONS SO THAT YOU CAN ADOPT IT.

SO NOTHING WILL BE SLOWED DOWN IN THE PROCESS.

AND I ASSUME OUR CLERKS THAT SHE WILL BE RECEIVING THOSE, SHE'LL BE ABLE TO VET THOSE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY MEET THE CRITERIA.

AND THEN ONE, ONE LAST CLARIFICATION.

SO IT SAYS HOSPITALITY REPRESENTATIVE, SO THE PERSON APPLYING CAN, ARE YOU, ARE WE SAYING THAT THEY CAN APPOINT SOMEONE FOR THEIR SEAT? MY INTERPRETATION? YES, SIR.

BECAUSE IF YOU'RE A CORPORATION OR A ENTITY, LEGAL ENTITY, UM, THERE'S NOT A PERSON ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

SO, SO, UM, YOU COULD, UM, YOU, YOU, YOU MAY, UM, YOU MAY FIND THAT YOUR MANAGER IS, IS BETTER SUITED TO, TO SERVE POTENTIALLY, AND I WOULD STILL CALL THAT AS ONE OWNER, ONE SEAT.

S SO YOU CAN'T HAVE FOUR OF YOUR MANAGERS SERVING IN FOUR SEATS.

AND THEN YOU SERVE IN THE FIFTH SEAT.

SO THAT YOU NOW CONTROL FIVE SEATS.

WHETHER YOU WANNA SERVE OR YOU WANT YOUR AGENT TO SERVE.

THAT'S YOUR OPPORTUNITY.

SO THERE'S, THERE'S ONE, UM, A LIMIT OF ONE SEAT PER LEGAL ENTITY OR, OR PERSON OR INDIVIDUAL.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SAY IT AGAIN PLEASE.

SO YOU'RE LIMITED TO ONE SEAT.

SEAT PER LEGAL ENTITY OR INDIVIDUAL OWNER.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, UM, MR. HARRELSON, UM, HAS SEVERAL BUSINESSES.

HE'S ONLY GOING TO, ESSENTIALLY WITH ALL THE BUSINESSES HE OWNS, HE ONLY, HE CAN ONLY HOLD ONE SEAT.

THAT'S THE MAXIMUM.

IF YOU HAVE FIVE CORPORATIONS, YOU CAN'T APPOINT FIVE DIFFERENT AGENTS AS POTENTIAL APPLICANTS TO SIT IN THOSE SEATS AND THEREBY CONTROL HALF THE BOARD.

ANY OTHER MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN WOULD LIKE TO BE A PART OF IT, UH, OTHER THAN ALDERMAN PRE, UM, THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.

LEMME ASK ONE MORE QUESTION, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE.

EX OFFICIO MEMBERS.

IS THERE SOME LIMIT FOR NUMBERS OR A NUMBER? UH, FOUR WAS THE MAGIC NUMBER OR THAT'S ALL THAT IS NEEDED.

UM, WE LOOKED AT THAT, AT THAT, AT THAT GROUPING.

AND BASED ON, UH, I THINK THAT THAT'S ADEQUATE FOR WHAT WE NEED FOR, FOR INPUT.

WE HAVE SWISS BEAR, WE'VE GOT THE FINANCE DIRECTOR WHO WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION.

WE'LL HAVE THE CITY MANAGER WHO CAN PROVIDE INPUT IN THE WARD ONE ALDERMAN AS WELL.

UH, WE'RE HAPPY TO, UH, MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS THAT THE BOARD MAY HAVE FOR THAT.

WELL, YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS SEE CONCLUSION AND THERE IS NO REPRESENTATION OF DIVERSITY IN THESE EX OFFICIAL MEMBERS.

SO HOW DO WE APPROACH, WHAT RECOMMENDATION DO YOU HAVE? ALDERMAN ROYAL? UH, I DIDN'T KNOW IF FOUR WAS THE MAXIMUM.

I KNOW THERE'S A MODEL THAT WE WERE FOLLOWING.

UM, IF

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JUST FOR INCLUSION.

JUST FOR DIVERSITY.

SO YOU COULD LEGALLY ADD A FIFTH EX-OFFICIO MEMBER? THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN.

BUT I DON'T THINK YOU COULD LEGALLY CLASSIFY AND SAY IT HAS TO BE A MINORITY REPRESENTATIVE.

NO, SIR.

WOULD THE BOARD LIKE TO ADD A FIFTH EX-OFFICIO MEMBER TO PROVIDE THAT OPPORTUNITY? I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.

OR MCKENZIE.

ANY INPUT? I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.

I ASKED HER.

IT, IT IS, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE A PRETTY LARGE BOARD, BUT I DON'T CARE.

RE I'M SURE.

AREA YOU REPRESENT.

SO I DON'T HAVE A PARTICULAR PROBLEM WITH IT.

I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE SOMEBODY IN THE BOARD THAT HAS AN INTEREST IN PARTICIPATING AS AN EX-OFFICIO MEMBER? I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD OPPORTUNITY, THAT'S ALL.

IF ANYONE WAS INTERESTED.

AND SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS, IF, SINCE IT'S A NON-VOTING POSITION, DOES IT COUNT TOWARD A QUORUM? NO, SIR.

SO WE COULD ADD A FIFTH EX-OFFICIO MEMBER AND SAY IT'S ANOTHER MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN AND THEN IF WE DECIDE WE WANTED TO ADD SOMEONE, IF SOMEONE CHOSE INTEREST, WE CAN'T.

YEAH, IT COULD BE AN, THEY COULD BE AN EX OFFICIO AT LARGE.

MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN IF YOU WANTED TO.

AND THEN YOU WOULD VOTE AMONG YOURSELVES, WHO WOULD BE THE EX OFFICIO MEMBER.

WHO WOULD BE EXPECTED TO ATTEND AND PARTICIPATE.

I DON'T THINK ANYONE HAD AN ISSUE WITH THAT.

SO IF YOU WANNA MAKE THAT ADDITION MM-HMM.

EVERYTHING ELSE, UH, IF THE BOARD IS GOOD WITH, I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS RESOLUTION WITH THE NO, SIR.

LET, LET, LET ME DRAFT THAT, PLEASE.

AND, AND HAVE IT BEFORE YOU PROPER.

UM, AND THAT'S WHY I WAS MENTIONING THIS WILL APPEAR ON YOUR NEXT AGENDA.

IMPROPER CLEAR FORM.

AND, AND AT THE SAME TIME, SIMULTANEOUSLY THE APPLICATION WILL BE PREPARED, BE CIRCULATED, AND IT CAN EVEN GO OUT 'CAUSE WE'RE JUST SOLICITING APPLICANTS FOR THE, FOR THE COMMITTEE.

AND THEN ON YOUR NEXT AGENDA, THIS WILL BE EXACTLY AS YOU WANT.

SO, SO WE'RE GOOD TO GO AHEAD AND RELEASE IT AND START RECRUITING.

FOLKS WHO WANT EXACTLY.

DO YOU HAVE AN INTEREST IN PARTICIPATING IN A COMMITTEE THAT'S GONNA BE FORMED IN TWO WEEKS? OKAY.

I JUST DON'T THERE BE ANY QUESTION ABOUT WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE DOING TONIGHT.

RESOLUTIONS NEED TO BE IN WRITTEN FORM AND, I DON'T KNOW, TAKE A BREAK TONIGHT FOR ME TO GO DRAFT THAT AND COME BACK.

DOES THE BOARD GO WITH THAT? YES.

CONSIDER ADOPTING A RESOLUTION APPROVING A GRANT FROM THE NORTH CAROLINA HIGHWAY GOVERNOR'S HIGHWAY SAFETY PROGRAM FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT LIAISON, CHIEF GALLAGHER.

WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 15.

[Items 15 - 17]

THANK YOU MAYOR.

UH, BOARD OF ALDERMAN.

I NEGRO TIRED OF STANDING BEFORE YOU, UH, SEEKING YOUR APPROVAL ON GRANT FUNDING.

UM, WE BELIEVE THAT THE NEW VERN POLICE DEPARTMENT ARE GOOD STEWARDS OF EVERY DOLLAR, UM, THAT IS AWARDED TO US BY WHATEVER A GRANT ENTITY IS OUT THERE.

UM, I'M EXCITED TO, UH, STAND BEFORE YOU TO SAY THAT NOT ONLY, UH, HAVE WE, OR, OR MORE TO THE POINT HAVE YOU APPROVED TWO OF THE THREE GRANTS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF YOU REGARDING NORTH CAROLINA GOVERNANCE HIGHWAY SAFETY PROGRAMS. BUT THERE'S A THIRD AND THE THIRD GRANT, WHICH IS NEW, UM, ESSENTIALLY PROVIDES THE NEW BERN POLICE DEPARTMENT WITH $25,000, UM, TO AUGMENT OUR OVERTIME, UH, BUDGET SPECIFIC TO, UM, TRAFFIC SAFETY.

AND WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR IN TERMS OF UTILIZING THAT $25,000 IS, UM, TO ENGAGE IN MORE TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT OPPORTUNITIES.

UM, THERE IS NO, UM, SHORTAGE OF ROADS AND STREETS IN THIS TOWN THAT COULD USE ANOTHER OFFICER RUNNING RADAR.

UM, AND I THINK I COULD PROBABLY NAME A STREET IN EVERY ONE OF YOUR WARDS THAT, UH, I WOULD LOVE TO PLACE A POLICE OFFICER THERE, UM, TO REINFORCE THE EXPECTATIONS THAT I THINK ALL OF US HAVE WITH RESPECT TO TRAFFIC SAFETY.

AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY ONE OF THE THREE GRANTS THAT, UH, IS BEFORE YOU TODAY.

SO, BOARD FOR CLARIFICATION, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 15, 16, AND 17.

BOARD HAVE QUESTIONS.

SO CHIEF, NONE OF THESE GRANTS HAVE TO BE MATCHED.

THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT.

I APOLOGIZE.

I SHOULD HAVE MADE THAT COMMENT.

UM, THIS IS MONEY'S GRANTED TO US AND WE DO NOT HAVE TO PRODUCE ANY MATCHING FUNDS.

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IT'S PLEASURE OF THE BOARD.

IS THE BOARD COMFORTABLE WITH A MOTION TO APPROVE ALL THREE AT ONE TIME? IF SO, I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.

SO IT'S ITEMS 15, 16, AND 17.

SO IT'S, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE GRANT FROM THE NEW NORTH CAROLINA GOVERNOR'S HIGHWAY SAFETY PROGRAM FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT LIAISON, IN ADDITION TO A GRANT FROM THE GOVERNOR'S, UH, HIGHWAY SAFETY PROGRAM FOR BIKE SAFETY.

AND LAST, UH, APPROVING A GRANT FROM THE GOVERNOR'S HIGHWAY SAFETY PROGRAM FOR OVERTIME.

SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

NUMBER 18 IS TO CONSIDER ADOPTING A RESOLUTION APPROVING TD BANK NA AS THE WINNING BIDDER FOR AN INSTALLMENT FINANCING AGREEMENT FOR THE STANLEY WHITE RECREATION CENTER PROJECT MS. OSTROM.

LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL STARTING WITH ALDERMAN ROYAL.

[18. Consider Adopting a Resolution Approving T. D Bank, N. A. as the Winning Bidder for an Installment Financing Agreement for the Stanley White Recreation Center Project]

UM, AT THE JULY, JULY 11TH BOARD MEETING, DAVENPORT PUBLIC FINANCE PRESENTED AN OVERVIEW OF FINANCING OPTIONS FOR THE STANLEY WHITE REC CENTER, THE SEWER IMPROVEMENTS PROJECTS AND THE F Y 2324 VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT, UH, PROPOSALS WERE SOLICITED FROM VARIOUS FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS FOR THESE THREE FINANCING PROJECTS.

WE REVIEWED THE PROPOSALS WITH DAVENPORT AND BOND COUNCIL AND TONIGHT TOOK HOLD WITH DAVENPORT.

IS HERE TO PRESENT THOSE TO YOU AND DISCUSS THE RECOMMENDED FINANCING PROPOSALS, WHICH ARE THE NEXT THREE AGENDA ITEMS REQUESTING TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE WINNING BIDDERS.

NUMBER 18 IS INSTALLMENT FINANCING AGREEMENT FOR THE STANLEY WHITE REC CENTER.

NUMBER 19 IS THE REVENUE BOND FOR SEWER IMPROVEMENTS.

AND NUMBER 20 IS THE F Y 2324 VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT.

I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOU TO TED COLE.

ALRIGHT, GOOD EVENING.

UM, APPRECIATE BEING HERE.

UM, SO WE'LL TAKE THESE IN ORDER WITH THE FIRST BEING STANLEY WHITE.

I THINK YOU ALL HAVE ALL OF THIS MATERIAL IN FRONT OF YOU.

UH, THE INTENTION WAS TO REALLY COVER PAGES ONE THROUGH FIVE.

THERE ARE SOME THINGS IN THE APPENDIX THAT YOU ALL CAN PROBABLY READ.

YOU'LL SEE THAT THE TOP HALF OF THIS PAGE IS DEALING WITH THE 15 YEAR TERM.

BUT WE'LL BE HARD FOR THE AUDIENCE TO SEE ON THE SCREEN.

IT'S REALLY MEANT TO BE BACKUP IF NEEDED.

SO, UM, IF YOU GO TO THE SECOND PAGE OF THIS PRESENTATION RELATED TO STANLEY WHITE, UM, WE DID A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL.

WE SENT THREE REQUESTS OUT FOR THE THREE DIFFERENT LOANS WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT TONIGHT.

THIS PARTICULAR, UM, R F P FOR STANLEY WHITE, WE ASKED FOR BOTH 15 AND 20 YEAR TERMS FROM THE BANKS.

YOU MIGHT REMEMBER THAT I PRESENTED IN JULY.

WE HAD TWO COMPONENTS TO THIS LOAN COMPONENT.

A, WHICH WAS, UH, AT SIX AND A HALF MILLION WAS INTENDED TO BE THE LONG-TERM PORTION OF THE LOAN THAT THE CITY WOULD PAY FOR THE DURATION THAT REPRESENTED THE, THE LOCAL FUNDING FOR THE PROJECT.

REMEMBER, FOR THAT PROJECT, YOU ALL HAVE ALSO RECEIVED A COMMITMENT FROM FEMA FOR, I BELIEVE ABOUT $8 MILLION.

THERE'S SOME UNCERTAINTY OF EXACTLY HOW THE FEMA MONEY WILL FLOW, WILL THERE BE ANY DELAYS? AND FOR THAT REASON, WE CREATED A COMPONENT B FOR THIS, WHICH WAS THREE AND A HALF MILLION, WHICH IS INTENDED TO FACILITATE CASH FLOWING OF PROJECT COSTS WHILE YOU MIGHT BE WAITING FOR FEMA REIMBURSEMENT.

AND THE IDEA WITH COMPONENT B WAS THAT IT COULD BE PAID OFF EARLY AS THE FEMA MONEY IS PROVIDED, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE SECURED A LONG-TERM FUNDING COMMITMENT WITH THE ABILITY TO PREPAY IT WITHOUT PENALTY.

SO THE ENTIRE PROPOSAL FOR 10 MILLION CAN BE PAID BACK OVER THE LONG TERM.

WE'RE GONNA BE RECOMMENDING 15 YEARS, BUT YOU HAVE THE ABILITY, PARTICULARLY WITH COMPONENT B TO PREPAY THAT EARLY IF, WHEN, AND HOW, DEPENDING UPON HOW THE FEMA MONEY REIMBURSES.

SO THAT DOESN'T NEED TO STAY OUT FOR THE FULL TERM OF THE LOAN.

IDEALLY, UH, WE DID RECEIVE THREE PROPOSALS.

UM, WE TALKED TO A NUMBER OF BANKS.

UM, THESE MAY NOT BE HOUSEHOLD NAMES TO YOU ALL, BUT THESE ARE LENDERS THAT WE DEAL WITH ON A REGULAR BASIS.

CAPITAL ONE, TD BANK, AND TRUIST BANK, WHICH TRUIST IS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE MERGED BB AND T SUNTRUST.

SO WE RECEIVED THREE PROPOSALS.

WE'VE SUMMARIZED THOSE ON PAGE THREE.

THERE IS MORE DETAIL IN THE APPENDIX.

I CAN GO INTO SOME OF THAT DETAIL IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.

BUT I THINK THESE ARE THE IMPORTANT TAKEAWAYS.

AND WE'VE HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN TD BANK OPTION TWO, WHICH IS WHERE WE'VE LANDED AS A GROUP OURSELVES AND STAFF AND BOND COUNCIL AS OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.

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UH, AND THE BOTTOM HALF IS DEALING WITH THE 20 YEAR TERM.

UM, TD BANK DID NOT PROVIDE 20 YEAR BANK RATES, BUT CAPITAL ONE AND TRUIST DID.

ULTIMATELY WHERE WE'VE LANDED IS THE 15 YEAR TERM FOR BOTH THE COMPONENT A AND B.

BUT AGAIN, REMEMBER THE B OUR, OUR INTENTION WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE PAID OFF MORE QUICKLY AS THE FEMA REIMBURSEMENTS ROLL THROUGH.

AND PARTICULARLY WITH TD BANK, UH, IT'S THEIR OPTION TOO.

THEY PROVIDED A FEW DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT PRIMARILY DIFFERENTIATED THEMSELVES IN THE INTEREST RATE AND THE PREPAYMENT ABILITY.

OPTION TWO PROVIDES YOU THE GREATEST PREPAYMENT FLEXIBILITY WITH TD BANK.

IT'S PREPAYABLE AT ANY TIME WITHOUT PENALTY.

UM, YOU CAN SEE UNDER CAPITAL ONE, UM, 15 YEAR, YOU, YOU WOULD BE, UH, PRECLUDED FROM PREPAYING IT FOR THE FIRST EIGHT YEARS WITH TRUIST.

THEY HAVE A A 10 YEAR PREPAYMENT LOCKOUT.

OR THERE'S ALSO SOMETHING CALLED A MAKE WHOLE CALL THAT IS ESSENTIALLY YOU CAN PAY THIS LOAN OFF EARLY, BUT YOU'RE GONNA MAKE US THE BANK WHOLE ON THE INTEREST WE WOULD'VE EARNED HAD THE LOAN GONE TO FULL MATURITY.

SO IT ALLOWS YOU TO GET OUT OF THE LOAN, BUT IT DOESN'T PROVIDE ANY ECONOMIC ADVANTAGE TO YOU DOING SO.

UM, SO WE FELT LIKE GIVEN THE COMPLEXITY OF THE TWO SERIES, THE, UH, THE, THE ABILITY TO WANT TO PAY OFF THE COMPONENT B AS EARLY AS WE CAN OPTION TWO GAVE US THE BEST COMBINATION OF A, OF A FIXED INTEREST RATE AT FOUR POINT A HALF PERCENT FOR THE FULL 15 YEARS FOR BOTH THE COMPONENT A AND B, BUT PRESERVE THE ABILITY TO PREPAY WITHOUT PENALTY.

UM, MR. COLE? YES.

QUESTION.

UH, THIS MAY BE FOR MS. OSTROM.

DIDN'T THE L G C PUT SOME RESTRICTIONS ON HOW LONG WE CAN FINANCE THAT SECOND PORTION? UM, SO THE L G C WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COULD, UM, AT LEAST PREPAY IT.

AND WE WOULD CLOSE BY THE END OF SEPTEMBER.

BUT, UM, THEY DID NOT, THEY WOULD NOT HONOR UP TO A 10 MILLION.

THEY, THEY SAID THAT THEY WOULD DEFINITELY CONSIDER AND WAS FAVORABLE OF DOING THE THREE AND A HALF, AND THEN IT WOULD BE PROP PAID OFF.

WE HAVE TO PAY IT OFF WHEN WE RECEIVE ALL OF OUR FEMA REIMBURSEMENTS.

SO WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED HERE COMPLIES WITH L G C REQUIREMENTS? MM-HMM.

SO, SO THAT'S KIND OF AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL.

THE, THE THREE PROPOSALS, AGAIN, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 15 AND 20 AND SOME OF THE NUANCES ABOUT THE PREPAYMENT LANGUAGE, THE NUMBERS ON PAGE FOUR, UM, AND I SHOULD CHANGE THAT SLIDE.

HOPEFULLY THAT'S CLEAR TO EVERYBODY.

AGAIN, IF YOU LOOK AT TD BANK OPTION TWO, GO DOWN THAT COLUMN, THE 15 YEAR TERM, THE TOTAL PAYBACK OVER THE 15 YEAR TERM FOR COMPONENT A IS ABOUT 8.7 MILLION.

FOR, FOR COMPONENT B, IF IT GOES THE ENTIRE 15 YEARS WOULD BE 4.9 MILLION.

TOTAL PAYBACK WOULD BE 13.6 MILLION.

YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT COMPARES TO CAPITAL ONE OR THE OTHER TD OPTIONS AND THE, THE WHAT WE CALL THE MAX ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE, MEANING WHAT'S YOUR SORT OF ANNUAL PAYMENT WITH TD BANK? OPTION TWO, WE'RE AT, UH, JUST UNDER 1.1 MILLION.

SO YOU CAN SEE THAT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN THE OTHER OPTIONS, BUT PRIMARILY, UM, WHAT IT, WHAT IT'S PROVIDED FOR IS ONE, I THINK A, AN ATTRACTIVE RATE.

TWO, THAT PREPAYMENT LANGUAGE, WHICH I THINK IS, WHICH IS IMPORTANT.

SO THAT'S HOW THE, THE ANNUAL AND TOTAL DEBT SERVICE COMPARES ACROSS THOSE PROPOSALS.

AND PLEASE STOP ME IF THERE'S A QUESTION.

UM, LASTLY FOR DISCUSSION WAS JUST OUR RECOMMENDATION.

TD BANK 15 YEAR OPTION TWO, THAT'S A RATE OF A FOUR 50 THAT IS LOCKED IN.

UM, WE'VE TOLD THEM THAT THEY WERE GONNA BE THE RECOMMENDED BIDDER.

UM, THEY'VE LOCKED THAT RATE.

IF FOR SOME REASON YOU DIDN'T WANT TO APPROVE IT TONIGHT, YOU'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO DO ANYTHING WITH TD BANK.

THERE'S NO PENALTY, BUT THEY HAVE LOCKED THE RATE, UM, UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY'RE THE RECOMMENDED BIDDER AND IT WOULD BE FIXED THROUGH A, A CLOSING THAT WOULD OCCUR IN SEPTEMBER.

AND A BASIC SCHEDULE THIS EVENING, CONSIDERATION OF A RESOLUTION THAT, UM, NAMES THE WITTING BIDDER, UM, FINAL APPROVAL OF THE LOAN, INCLUDING LOAN DOCUMENTS AT THEIR SEPTEMBER 12TH MEETING.

THAT'S THE SAME DAY THAT THE L G C WOULD CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THIS LOAN.

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I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

UM, I THINK I'M ON YOUR PAGE FOUR.

SO IF WE HAVE THE INTENTION OF PAYING OFF WHAT YOU'RE CALLING OPTION B OR COMPONENT B, B COMPONENT B YEP.

I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU DID AN ANALYSIS TO SAY THAT IT'S WORTHWHILE TO GO WITH OPTION TWO VERSUS OPTION ONE, EVEN WITH THE MAKE HOLD CALL.

UM, YEAH.

WITH, WELL, WITH WITH, WITH OPTION ONE, COMPONENT B, AND I'M GONNA GO BACK TO PAGE UH, FOUR, LIKE YOU SAID.

UM, YOU'LL SEE THAT OPTION ONE COMPONENT B, WHICH IS A 15 YEAR PAYBACK OF 4.9 MILLION, THE MAKE WHOLE CALL.

AND IF YOU WANTED TO PAY IT OFF IN YEAR THREE OR FOUR, YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY PAYING BACK THE FOUR NINE BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE MADE WHOLE AS IF IT STAYS TO FULL MATURITY.

CORRECT.

UM, WHEREAS OPTION TWO, IF YOU PAY IT BACK IN YEAR TWO OR THREE, UM, YOUR TOTAL PAYBACK WILL BE THE THREE AND A HALF MILLION PLUS WHATEVER INTEREST IS ACCRUED, IT'LL BE LESS THAN FOUR NINE.

SO I THINK IF I'M ANSWERING IT, I MEAN IT'S, THERE'S NO SCENARIO WHERE PAYING IT OFF EARLY, YOU'RE BETTER OFF WITH OPTION ONE THAN YOU ARE WITH OPTION TWO.

AND IF THEY BOTH, IF IT HAPPENS TO STAY OUT TO THE FULL FINAL, YOU'RE NO WORSE OFF.

THE ONLY REASON I'M ASKING IS BECAUSE WE KNOW HOW LONG IT CAN TAKE FEMA TO PAY FOR THINGS.

SO IF IT WAS LIKE A FIVE YEAR CUTOFF OR FIVE YEAR BREAK EVEN ON THE MAKE CALL, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE CONSIDER THAT.

BUT IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE LOOKED AT THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT IS WHAT YOU DO WITH YOUR THAT'S RIGHT.

SO I, I THINK YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY BETTER OFF WITH THAT.

UM, COMPONENT B, UM, UNDER THAT OPTION TWO PREPAYMENT LANGUAGE.

AND, AND REMEMBER, YOU, YOU'VE HELD A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS PARTICULAR LOAN THAT WAS REQUIRED.

I THINK WE DID THAT IN JULY.

UM, AND THAT'S THE LOAN THAT WILL BE SECURED BY THE REC CENTER, THE DEED OF TRUST ON THE REC CENTER INSTALLMENT FINANCING.

SO IF THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I KNOW THERE'S A, A RESOLUTION FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, BUT I'M HAPPY TO CONTINUE TALKING THROUGH THIS.

I GUESS DOES THE BOARD WANT TO TAKE THESE INDIVIDUALLY OR DO WE WANT TO HEAR THE NEXT TWO ITEMS AND CONSIDER THEM ALL AT ONE TIME? MIGHT BE CLEAN TO DO IT INDIVIDUALLY.

WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? ON ITEM NUMBER 18, MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A, A MOTION TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION APPROVING TD BANK AT A, AS THE WINNING BIDDER FOR THE INSTALLMENT FINANCING AGREEMENT FOR THE STANLEY WHITE RECREATION CENTER PROJECT.

SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION A SECOND.

LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL ON ITEM NUMBER 18, STARTING WITH ALDERMAN ASTOR.

MOTION CARRIES ON TO ITEM NUMBER

[19. Consider Adopting a Resolution Approving Webster Bank as the Winning Bidder for the Issuance of a Revenue Bond for Improvements to the Combined Enterprise System to Include the Northwest Interceptor Rehabilitation Phase II Project and Township 7 Sewer Improvements Phase III Project.]

19.

UM, THIS IS THE REVENUE BOND ASSOCIATED WITH TWO, UH, UTILITY PROJECTS, THE NORTHWEST INTERCEPTOR AND THE TOWNSHIP SEVEN FORCE MAIN PROJECT.

UM, COLLECTIVELY, UH, SAME SETUP.

DID AN R F P SEPARATE AND DISTINCT FROM THE OTHER RFPS.

15 AND 20 YEAR TERMS IS WHAT WE REQUESTED.

UH, 6.1 MILLION IS THE AMOUNT.

WE RECEIVED THREE PROPOSALS.

UM, CAPITAL ONE, TRUIST AND WEBSTER BANK.

WEBSTER WAS NOT ON THE LAST ONE THERE ON THIS ONE.

AGAIN, NOT NECESSARILY A HOUSEHOLD NAME, BUT THEY'RE VERY ACTIVE IN MUNICIPAL LENDING.

AND REMEMBER WITH THE REVENUE BOND, WHAT WE'RE PLEDGING TO THE LENDER HERE IS THE NET REVENUES OF THE COMBINED WATER, SEWER AND ELECTRIC SYSTEM.

SO THERE'S NO ASSET THAT WILL SECURE THE LOAN.

IT'LL BE A, UH, SECURED BY THE REVENUES OF THOSE SYSTEMS. AND YOU'VE DONE THAT BEFORE, UM, ISSUED REVENUE BONDS, UM, JUST LIKE WE'RE PROPOSING.

SO, SO THIS IS A SEWER PROJECT, SO WE'RE PLEDGING OUR FAITH FOR THE REVENUE FOR ALL ENTERPRISES.

THAT'S RIGHT.

THE, THE, THE CITY HAS A REVENUE BOND CREDIT, AND WHEN THAT WAS DEVELOPED, IT WAS PURPOSELY SET UP TO INCLUDE THE REVENUES ASSOCIATED WITH ALL THREE UTILITIES, WATER, SEWER,

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ELECTRIC.

BUT YOU, YOU COULD FUND PROJECTS IN ANY ONE UTILITY, BUT THAT'S STILL SECURED LEGALLY BY THE COLLECTIVE REVENUES OF ALL THREE.

NOW, INTERNALLY, I THINK THE INTENTION IS WE'RE GONNA PAY THIS BACK FROM SEWER REVENUE, BUT TECHNICALLY THE LENDER HAS A LIEN ON ALL OF THOSE REVENUES.

UM, AND THAT'S NOT ALL THAT UNCOMMON, BUT IT, IT HAPPENS TO BE THE WAY THIS REVENUE BOND CREDIT WAS SET UP.

UH, IT'S BEEN A NUMBER OF YEARS NOW, BUT, UM, UM, SO IT, IT, IT IS THE COLLECTIVE REVENUES OF ALL THREE UTILITIES, ALL MASTER.

WOULD THAT HAVE ANY EFFECT ON THE ELECTRIC DEPARTMENT IF THEY WERE LOOKING AT ANOTHER PROJECT WHERE THEY WOULD NEED, UM, A, A LOAN OF THE SIZE? SO, SO WHAT, WHAT THE PROCESS IS WITH THE REVENUE BOND IS, THERE'S REVENUE BOND DOCUMENTS THAT ARE, UM, GO INTO A, A NUMBER OF DETAILS ABOUT IF YOU ENTER INTO A LOAN, WHAT IS THE SECURITY THAT YOU'RE OFFERING THE LENDER.

ALSO, THERE'S SPECIFIC LANGUAGE IN THERE ABOUT HOW DO YOU ISSUE ADDITIONAL REVENUE BONDS IN THE FUTURE FOR WHATEVER PERMITTED PURPOSE THERE MAY BE.

SO WHEN AND IF THE TIME COMES TO DO A BORROWING FOR ELECTRIC, YES, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE JUST LIKE WE HAVE TO DO HERE, THAT WE HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF REVENUE BOND ALREADY OUTSTANDING.

WE HAVE TO MAKE THOSE PAYMENTS, AND WE HAVE, WE WILL HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT WE CAN MAKE THOSE PAYMENTS AND TAKE ON THE NEW DEBT THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO AND STILL BE ABLE TO MEET THE COVENANTS OF THE BONDS.

AND, UM, THOSE THREE SYSTEMS TOGETHER HAVE A, A, A VERY STRONG CASH FLOW.

SO I'M NOT GONNA SAY THERE'S NO CONCERN EVER, BUT CERTAINLY FEEL LIKE THE WAY THOSE THREE SYSTEMS COLLECTIVELY, UM, RUN THROUGH THE AUDIT, UM, THERE'S VERY STRONG ABILITY TO ISSUE ADDITIONAL DEBT.

BUT WE WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, WHETHER IT'S AN ELECTRIC PRO PROJECT, A WATER OR A SEWER PROJECT, TO BE ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THE REVENUES ARE THERE TO SUPPORT NOT ONLY THE DEBT THAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE, BUT ANY NEW DEBT THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO ISSUE.

SO IF WE'RE LOOKING AT BUILDING A $20 MILLION ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION WITHIN THE NEXT FEW YEARS, WHAT KIND OF AN EFFECT WOULD THAT HAVE ON US ON FINANCING FOR THAT SUBSTATION? UM, WELL, I MEAN, IT, YOU, YOU'LL HAVE A NUMBER OF OPTIONS TO CONSIDER AT THAT TIME ON HOW TO FINANCE IT.

PRESUMABLY IT WOULD BE A REVENUE BOND.

AND WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH AN ANALYSIS AT THAT TIME TO SAY, DO WE HAVE ENOUGH REVENUE ON, BASED UPON OUR CURRENT RATES AND CHARGES IN CUSTOMER BASE TO COVER THAT NEW DEBT SERVICE? OR DO WE NEED TO RAISE RATES TO POSITION OURSELVES TO BE ABLE TO COVER THAT DEBT SERVICE? AND IT'S REALLY A TWOFOLD QUESTION.

IT'S, IT'S DONE FIRST, I THINK IT WOULD BE, FIRST PROBABLY IS JUST FOR YOU ALL TO DETERMINE CAN THE ELECTRIC SYSTEM COVER THAT DEBT ON ITS OWN? RIGHT? YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE, I PRESUME THAT IF YOU BORROW MONEY FOR THE ELECTRIC SYSTEM, YOU WANT TO BE COMFORTABLE THAT THE ELECTRIC SYSTEM CAN PAY IT BACK WITHOUT SUPPORT FROM WATER AND SEWER.

JUST LIKE WITH THIS LOAN, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THE SEWER SYSTEM CAN PAY IT BACK WITHOUT SUPPORT FROM WATER AND ELECTRIC.

SO YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE LOCALLY ELECTRIC CAN COVER IT, BUT FOR THE BONDS YOU GET THE BENEFIT OF INCLUDING THE REVENUES FROM THOSE OTHER OTHER SYSTEMS. SO IT'S A LITTLE MORE LIBERAL FOR THE BOND ISSUE.

BUT LOCALLY, I THINK YOU'RE IN THE SAME SPOT WHETHER YOU DO THIS LOAN OR NOT, THIS WILL PRESUMABLY BE COVERED BY SEWER REVENUES AND NOT IMPACT YOUR ELECTRIC SYSTEM.

AND A FEW YEARS FROM NOW, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ELECTRIC SYSTEM CAN COVER THIS NEW DEBT THAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING.

WILL THE SEWER FUND BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS? YES.

YEP.

WE DID THAT BY ITSELF ANALYSIS.

ALL RIGHT.

SO, SO THREE, THREE PROPOSALS.

UM, SAME SORT OF SETUP HERE ON PAGE THREE.

THE TOP HALF LOOKS AT THE 15 YEAR PAYBACK.

THE BOTTOM HALF LOOKS AT THE 20 YEAR PAYBACK, UH, WEBSTER BANK 15 YEARS IS ULTIMATELY THE PROPOSAL AS WE WORK THROUGH ALL OF THIS THAT, UM, WE'VE LANDED ON AS OUR RECOMMENDATION.

UM, THAT'S AT A FIXED RATE OF A 4 45.

SO SLIGHTLY BETTER THAN THE 15 YEAR RATE YOU GOT ON STANLEY WHITE.

UM, THE PREPAYMENT LANGUAGE UNDER WEBSTER BANK, I'M LOOKING UNDER THE

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FAR RIGHT COLUMN.

IT'S NON CALLABLE FOR THE FIRST FOUR YEARS IN YEARS FIVE AND SIX.

YOU CAN PREPAY IT WITH A 1% PENALTY YEAR SEVEN AND BEYOND.

YOU CAN PREPAY IT AT PAR OR ZERO PENALTY NO PENALTY.

AVERAGE ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE, ABOUT 570,000 TOTAL PAYBACK OVER THE LIFE, ABOUT EIGHT AND A HALF MILLION.

UM, SO LOOKED AT ALL OF THESE OPTIONS.

15 AND 20, THE DIFFERENT BANKS, DIFFERENT PREPAYMENT LANGUAGE.

THIS ONE IS A BIT MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD.

AND, UH, ULTIMATELY THE RECOMMENDATION IS WEBSTER AT A 4 45 15 YEARS, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE, WE'VE INCLUDED HERE ON THE PAGE FOUR.

AND LIKE THE PRIOR ONE, UM, THERE IS A RESOLUTION FOR Y'ALL TO CONSIDER AWARDING IT TONIGHT, COMING BACK ON THE 12TH TO ADOPT, UH, WHAT'S CALLED A BOND ORDER AND DO THE FINAL RESOLUTION.

L G C APPROVAL FOR THIS ONE IS ALSO REQUIRED.

THAT WOULD OCCUR ON THE 12TH.

BY THE WAY, THE APPLICATIONS THROUGH THE L G C HAVE ALL BEEN SUBMITTED IN CLOSING BY THE END OF, UH, SEPTEMBER.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? I I JUST HAVE ONE.

IT'S PROBABLY A, IT'S PROBABLY A REALLY DUMB ONE, BUT, UM, IS THERE ANY RISK WITH A BANK LIKE WEBSTER THAT NONE OF US HAVE HEARD OF, BUT YOU HAVE? I MEAN, I, I ASSUME NO, I, I I DON'T BELIEVE SO.

UM, THEY'RE LENDING YOU THEIR MONEY AND YOU'RE, IT'S FIXED RATE AND YOU HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO MAKE THE PAYMENTS.

UM, YOU'RE NOT PUTTING ANY REVENUES OR DEPOSITS WITH THEM.

UM, I DON'T THINK EVEN IF WEBSTER WERE TO HAVE TROUBLE OR SELL OR MERGE, YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU'RE OBLIGATED TO PAY THEM BACK.

AND IF THEY CAN'T ACCEPT THAT PAYMENT, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENS.

THAT WOULD BE VERY, I, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD HAPPEN.

BUT IF THEY WERE TO HAVE SERIOUS FINANCIAL TROUBLE, YOU HAVE NO ASSETS WITH THEM.

I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE ANY EXPOSURE FROM THE CITY'S CREDIT IF, IF, IF THEY WERE TO HAVE TROUBLE.

SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY RISK.

ARNOLD MCKENZIE, HOW LONG HAS BANK BEEN AROUND AND WHERE ARE THEY LOCATED? UM, WEBSTER, UH, THEY RECENTLY MERGED THE WEBSTER NAME, UH, IS A, IS A, IT'S THE, IT'S THE MER IT'S A NAME OF THE MERGE BANK THAT THEY MERGED, THAT THEY, UM, , THEIR TWO BANKS CAME TOGETHER AND ONE OF THEM KEPT THE NAME WEBSTER.

WE DEAL WITH A FELLOW THAT WORKS OUTTA CHARLOTTE.

UM, HE'S A, I GUESS A, A REP FOR THIS REGION.

UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG, UH, AND WHAT, WHAT WAS THE NAME OF THE OTHER BANK THAT THEY MERGED WITH? DO YOU KNOW THAT? UH, I, I DO, UH, STERLING.

STERLING, YES.

STERLING, STERLING BANK OR STERLING NATIONAL.

UH, WE'VE DEALT WITH, I MEAN, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, IT'S NOT A LONG TIME.

I MEAN, WE'VE PROBABLY DEALT WITH THEM FOR THE LAST 10 OR 15 YEARS.

UH, BUT UM, YEAH, WE CAN TRY TO GET YOU A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ON THAT HISTORY, IF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

YEAH, IT WOULD.

BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE BANKS THAT I'VE NEVER HEARD OF MYSELF.

MAYBE YOU HAVE.

AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETIME JUMPING OUT, THEY'RE BEING THE FIRST ONE, YOU KNOW, KNOW, I MEAN, YOU ARE FINISH FIRST.

I, I JUST, I JUST LOOKED 'EM UP.

HONOR MCKENZIE, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE IN THE NORTHEAST UP IN CONNECTICUT, AND THEY WERE FOUNDED IN 1935.

, THEY HAVE ANNUAL REVENUE OF 1.2 BILLION.

SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE PROBABLY MORE A REGIONAL MAIN MM-HMM.

THEY MAY, THEY MAY NOT HAVE HEARD OF BB AND T UP THERE IN THAT PART OF THE WORLD.

CORRECT? CORRECT.

AND YOU KNOW, CAPITAL ONE, I THINK IS MORE OF A HOUSEHOLD NAME, JUST FOR PERSPECTIVE.

AND WE ALL PROBABLY ASSOCIATE THEM WITH CREDIT CARDS.

UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY BID THESE TYPES OF LOANS OUT OF THE, UH, AN OFFICE IN OHIO.

UM, SO AGAIN, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF BANKS THAT, UM, I GUESS LOOK AT MUNICIPAL LOANS OUTSIDE OF MAYBE THEIR COMMERCIAL BANK FOOTPRINT.

IT'S FAIRLY COMMON.

AND I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK ACROSS NORTH CAROLINA, YOU WILL FIND FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, A NUMBER OF MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE DEBT OUTSTANDING WITH, WITH WEBSTER AND CAPITAL ONE AS WELL AS THE LOCALS.

I'M JUST CURIOUS.

ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON NUMBER 19? MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION APPROVING WEBSTER BANK AS THE WINNING BIDDER FOR THE ISSUANCE OF A REVENUE BOND FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO THE COMBINED ENTERPRISE SYSTEM TO INCLUDE THE NORTHWEST INTERCEPTOR REHABILITATION PHASE TWO PROJECT AND TOWNSHIP SEVEN SEWER IMPROVEMENTS PHASE

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THREE PROJECT.

I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY MORE DISCUSSION? LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL, STARTING WITH ALDERMAN KENZIE.

ALDERMAN KENZIE, I'M JUST NOT COMFORTABLE.

[20. Consider Adopting a Resolution Approving TD Equipment Finance, Inc. as the Winning Bidder for an Installment Financing Agreement for Fiscal Year 2023- 24 Vehicles and Equipment.]

IS CONSIDERED DR.

RESOLUTION.

I APPROVING THE TD EQUIPMENT FINANCE INCORPORATED AS THE WINNING BIDDER FOR INSTALLMENT FINANCE AND AGREEMENT FOR FY 2324 VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT.

UH, FINAL ONE.

UM, WORKING OFF OF PAGE TWO, SAME R F P PROCESS, UH, THE AMOUNT OF 4.9 MILLION, UM, ROUGHLY A, A FIVE YEAR TERM FOR THIS SHORTER TERM BECAUSE OF THE EXPECTED, USEFUL LIFE OF THE ASSETS.

UM, WE'VE GOT SIX PROPOSALS.

UM, AGAIN, UM, SOME NAMES YOU WILL RECOGNIZE, SOME YOU MAY NOT, BUT THEY, THEY DO ALL OFTENTIMES SUBMIT PROPOSALS FOR THESE SORTS OF REQUESTS.

UM, PAGE THREE GIVES YOU THE TAKEAWAY, UM, THE KEY TAKEAWAYS.

INTEREST RATE FIRST, UH, YOU CAN SEE THE RANGE GOES FROM A 4 0 8 TO A FOUR 90.

UM, THE PREPAYMENT LANGUAGE KIND OF ALL OVER THE MAP, WHICH IS TYPICAL.

THEY, THERE'S NOT A STANDARD PREPAYMENT LANGUAGE FOR TD BANK, WHICH WE'RE RECOMMENDING AT THE 4 0 8.

THEY WILL ALLOW PREPAYMENT WITH A 1% PENALTY.

UM, THE ANNUAL PAYMENTS, THESE ARE IN THOUSANDS, SO FOR THEM IT WOULD BE, CALL IT, UH, 1,000,001 A YEAR.

UH, JUST UNDER THAT, UM, OVER THE TOTAL LIFE OF THE LOAN THROUGH MATURITY.

UM, 5.49 MILLION.

UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THE SORT OF THE SPREAD ACROSS, UM, ALL SIX BANKS THAT KIND OF FOLLOW THE INTEREST RATE.

UM, IN TERMS OF RECOMMENDATION, TD AT 4 0 8, AGAIN, THAT'S LOCKED IN.

THIS PARTICULAR LOAN DOES NOT REQUIRE L G C APPROVAL.

THAT'S ONE OF THE CARVE-OUTS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO APPROVE, UH, LOANS FOR VEHICLES.

UM, AND IN THIS CASE, UM, WE HAVE SORT OF THE SAME SETUP WE HAVE TONIGHT.

THE CONSIDERATION OF A, UM, RESOLUTION AWARDING IT, UM, MAY HAVE THE NEED.

I BELIEVE WE'VE DECIDED TO COME BACK TO YOU FOR FINAL APPROVAL ON THE 12TH.

BUT THERE IS NO L G C APPROVAL AFTER THE 12TH.

WE'D BE IN A POSITION TO CLOSE BEFORE THEIR DEADLINE.

FOSTER CAME ON PAGE SIX.

IT'S, UM, THE BREAKOUT BY FUN.

UM, I'M ASSUMING GENERAL FUN IS POLICE CARS AND FIRETRUCK ARE INCLUDED IN THAT.

THERE'S, UM, POLICE, POLICE CARS, FIRE TRUCKS, AND THERE'S SOME PUBLIC WORK VEHICLES TOO.

DOES THE BOARD HAVE QUESTIONS ON ITEM NUMBER 20? IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION APPROVING TD EQUIPMENT FINANCE INC.

AS THE WINNING BIDDER FOR AN INSTALLMENT FINANCING AGREEMENT FOR FISCAL YEAR 2324 VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT.

I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL ITEM NUMBER 20.

LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL STARTING WITH ALDERMAN BEST? ALDERMAN BEST, YES.

APPRECIATE YOUR HELP.

WE'LL SEE YOU IN SEPTEMBER.

VERY GOOD.

THANKS.

MOVING

[21. Consider Adopting a Budget Ordinance Amendment for Fiscal Year 2023- 24.]

ON TO ITEM NUMBER 21.

CONSIDER ADOPTING A BUDGET ORDINANCE AMENDMENT FOR F Y 2324.

MS. OSHA.

THIS BUDGET ORDINANCE AMENDMENT RECOGNIZES THREE GRAND AWARDS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED TO YOU.

NUMBERS 15, 16 17, UM, FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FROM THE NORTH CAROLINA GOVERNOR'S HIGHWAY SAFETY PROGRAM FOR FIVE, UM, $5,000 FOR BIKE SAFETY, 30,000 FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT LIAISON, AND $25,000 FOR OVERTIME.

AND ANOTHER GRANT AWARDED TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FROM THE NORTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT OF HOME LAND SECURITY GRANT PROGRAM.

AND THE AMOUNT OF 30 DO THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THE PURCHASE OF BOOTS AND HELMETS.

A TOTAL OF $90,000 AND THERE'S NO MATCH REQUIRED.

THIS BOARD HAVE QUESTIONS ON ITEM NUMBER 21.

I MAKE A MOTION WE ADOPT A BUDGET ORDINANCE AMENDMENT FOR PHYSICAL

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YEAR 23.

24.

SECOND SECOND.

I HAVE A MOTION A SECOND.

LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL STARTING WITH ALDERMAN P PRILL.

[22. Appointment( s).]

22 IS APPOINTMENTS.

ALDER MCKENZIE.

I SHOW YOU HAVE ONE FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.

UM, NOT COMPLETED.

UM, THE APPOINTMENTS TO THE DANGEROUS DOG BOARD.

SO IF THE BOARD HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK IN, UH, IT'S LIKE SECOND TO THE LAST PAGE OF THE PACKAGE.

UH, WE HAVE DR.

STEVE TELMA, DR.

BOBBY KORBA, AND DONNA BAKER'S TERM.

UH, THEY'VE ALL EXPIRED.

ALL THREE OF 'EM ARE WILLING TO SERVE AGAIN.

UM, SO IT'S A PLEASURE.

THE BOARD ON THAT ONE.

CAN WE APPOINT ALL THREE OF 'EM AT ONE TIME? SURE.

I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPOINT ALL THREE OR REAPPOINT ALL THREE SECOND.

HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? OKAY.

THEY'RE REAPPOINTED.

AND THEN, UM, WE NOW HAVE A SEAT ON THE EAST CAROLINA COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT.

SINCE THE BOARD DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH MEMBERSHIP FOR THAT ORGANIZATION AGAIN.

UH, IS THERE ANYONE THAT HAS ANY INTEREST IN SERVING ON THE EAST CAROLINA COUNCIL GOVERNMENT? JOHNNY SEAT.

JOHNNY TIME.

HAVE YOU SERVED ON THAT BEFORE? HE USED HE USED TO CORRECT.

OLIVER MCKENZIE? I'LL SERVE AGAIN.

ANYONE ELSE? IS THAT A MOTION? ALL THAT IS A MOTION, YES.

HAVE A MOTION? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

CONGRATULATIONS MR. KINZIE.

THANK YOU, SIR.

UH, ATTORNEY'S

[23. Attorney's Report]

REPORT.

I DOUBT THE REPORT TONIGHT.

MAYOR, CITY

[24. City Manager's Report.]

MANAGER'S REPORT ONE ITEM TONIGHT.

UH, UM, CITY OF NEWBURN IS ONE OF 15 PUBLIC POWER COMMUNITIES ACROSS NORTH CAROLINA TO RECENTLY RECEIVED THE 2022 PUBLIC POWER AWARD OF EXCELLENCE.

SO ELECTRICITIES OF NORTH CAROLINA PRESENTED 15 OF THESE AWARDS TO COMMUNITIES WITH PUBLIC POWER, UH, UH, AT THE 2023 ANNUAL CONFERENCE IN MYRTLE BEACH.

SO CHARLIE AND HIS STAFF WENT DOWN THERE TO, TO PICK THIS UP.

THE AWARDS REFLECT PUBLIC POWER, STRATEGIC PRIORITIES, RECOGNIZING EXCEPTIONAL ACHIEVEMENT IN THE FOLLOWING CATEGORIES.

FUTURE-FOCUSED STRENGTH AND PUBLIC POWER PROVIDE SUPERIOR POWER, CUSTOMER-CENTERED INNOVATION AND PEOPLE.

SO WE APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK THAT CHARLIE AND HIS STAFF HAS DONE AT THIS TIME.

I'D LIKE TO PRESENT WITH THIS AWARD AND CHARLIE ON UP.

I'M SURE YOU'D LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING.

HAPPY TO SHARE THIS, UH, AWARD WITH THE COMMUNITY AND IT'S A TESTIMONY TO THE STAFF THAT WE HAVE AND THEIR DUE DILIGENCE AND, AND THEIR COMMITMENT TO PUBLIC POWER AND, UH, RELIABLE POWER IN THIS COMMUNITY.

SO THANKS TO STAFF FOR ALL THE HARD WORK AND THANK YOU BOARD FOR YOUR, YOUR LEADERSHIP AND YOUR GOVERNANCE AND MAKING THIS A STRONG UTILITY.

VERY GOOD.

CONGRATULATIONS.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TONIGHT, SIR.

ALRIGHT, MAYOR, BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD.

BE OUR FACILITATOR IN THE SCHOOL OF GOVERNMENT PREFERENCE, WAS TO, TO GET INTO A, A ROOM THAT'S MORE CONDUCIVE TO ONE-ON-ONE COMMUNICATIONS AND SMALL GROUPS.

UM, I GUESS THIS MAY BE THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO ADDRESS.

UM, AT OUR, UM, AUGUST 8TH MEETING, WE, UM, VOTED ON, UM, WELL AN APPROVAL OF OUR MEETING, UH, COMING UP, UM, ON THE 29TH AND NO, THE 30TH AND THE 31ST.

AND WE WAS GONNA HOLD THAT MEETING.

IT WAS FOR THE, OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSION AT THE PLEASANT HILL CENTER.

AND I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT LOCATION TO HOLD MEETINGS.

THAT WAS NOT THE DURATION OF TIME PERIOD INVOLVED WITH THOSE MEETINGS, UM, SITTING IN THE FULL BOOK TYPE TIERS.

BUT THAT WAS JUST ME.

AND I THINK ANOTHER ALDERMAN, UM, HAS CONCERNS ABOUT THE, THE, THE TIME THAT WE AS ALDERMAN, UM, AND AS THE PUBLIC AND OTHER STAFF PERSONS THAT THERE WILL BE PRESENT AT THAT MEETING.

BUT THAT WAS MY, THAT WAS A CONCERN I HAD AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THE BOARD FEELS ABOUT IT.

AND IF Y'ALL WANT TO KEEP IT AT PLEASANT HILL CENTER, THAT'S FINE TOO.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT, UM, ANNOUNCEMENT TO SEE WHAT THE BOARD, HOW THE BOARD WANTS TO, UM, WHAT ACTION YOU WANNA TAKE ON THAT.

I FEEL IT SHOULD BE AT CITY HALL 'CAUSE WE HAVE ALL THE EQUIPMENT HERE TO, UH, TAKE CARE OF THE, UH, RECORDING AND THAT SORT OF THING THERE AND FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A, A, A BETTER INPUT IF IT'S SETTLED.

MR. MANAGER, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? SO, YES.

AND IN, IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE, UM, WITH LYDIA ALTMAN, WHO IS GONNA

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THE BIGGEST ISSUE WITH DOING THAT IN THIS, THIS ROOM IS WE'RE GONNA HAVE ALL THE GOVERNING BOARD MEMBERS, PLUS WE'RE GONNA HAVE ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO SMALL, UH, ROUND TABLES.

'CAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS GONNA OCCUR DURING THIS, UH, UNLESS WE MOVE ALL THESE TABLES OUT OF ALL THESE CHAIRS OUT OF HERE AND BRING, BRING TABLES IN.

SO IT WOULD REALLY WORK BETTER TO DO THIS AT SOMEPLACE LIKE PLEASANT HILL OR EVEN WEST NEWBURN RECREATION CENTER.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE'RE, WE MADE THE REQUEST TO MOVE IT AWAY FROM HERE.

WHEN YOU SAY SMALL GROUP, SO HOW COULD THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATE AND LISTEN IN SMALL GROUPS? SO EVERYBODY, SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE IN A SMALL GROUP.

SO THIS IS TO GO FROM GROUP TO GROUP TO GET INFORMATION THAT THAT'S CORRECT.

SO, SO R MCKENZIE, THIS, THIS THE PUBLIC IS WELCOME TO TO COME AND WATCH THIS.

BUT THIS IS NOT PUBLIC PARTICIPATION FOR THIS PART.

THIS IS BASICALLY FOR STAFF AND THE ELECTED OFFICIALS TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS.

ANOTHER ISSUE I HAVE WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO BE, UM, ABLE TO HEAR ALL COMMENTS FROM ALL ALDERMAN AND ALL STAFF PERSONS.

'CAUSE I KNOW IN THE PAST WHEN YOU GET IN SEVERAL GROUPS, YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT HEARING ALL INFORMATION THAT'S BEING PRESENTED.

UM, AND OUR BEST TO, TO RESPOND TO THAT.

SO THE WAY THAT OUR CONSULTANT WILL BE DOING THIS IS, YES, THERE WILL BE SMALL GROUP BREAKOUTS, BUT AT THE END OF THOSE SESSIONS, EVERYONE WILL BE COMING BACK TO MAKE COMMENTS AND REPORTS ON WHAT THOSE GROUPS HAVE HAVE DISCUSSED.

I, I DON'T KNOW THIS FOR A FACT, BUT I'M WONDERING IS THE REASON FOR THE BREAKOUT IS IN THE ESSENCE OF TIME, BECAUSE IF YOU DID IT ALL IN ONE GROUP, IS IT GONNA TAKE LONGER BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO DO EVERYBODY AT ONE TIME? IT WILL.

THAT'S CORRECT.

SO TWO MEMBERS.

SO HOW, HOW WE'RE GONNA ENGAGE THE PUBLIC IN THIS, I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE SECTIONS AFTER WE GET TO THAT POINT.

THIS IS A INFORMATION GATHERING FOR THE BOARD.

FIRST.

THIS IS THE KICKOFF MEETING.

NOW THE PUBLIC WILL BE A PART OF THIS PROCESS.

THIS THE STRATEGIC PLANNING PROCESS IS NOT THESE TWO MEETINGS AND, AND WE'RE DONE.

THIS IS GONNA TAKE MONTHS TO DO.

SO THE PUBLIC WILL BE INVITED TO, TO PARTICIPATE IN, IN SESSIONS.

THAT WAS ALL I HAD.

SO DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY CONCERNS OR WE'RE GONNA STICK WITH THE ORIGINAL PLAN.

I THINK YOU SAID YOU WERE MOVING THE, THE CHAIRS AND TABLES SO THAT THAT CONCERN WILL BE ADDRESSED.

THAT'S ALRIGHT.

SO WE'LL LEAVE IT AS IT IS.

BESS, YOU'VE, YOU'VE STILL GOT THE FLOOR FOR NEW BUSINESS, SO HELP YOURSELF.

UH, ALDERMAN

[25. New Business.]

OH, OKAY.

UM, I DID HAVE, OH, UM, I WANTED TO TO SAY, UM, THANK YOU TO THE CITY, TO PARKS AND RECS AND TO, UM, MS. CARRIE AND MR. JAMES BULL AND ALL OF THE STAFF THAT WAS SO INSTRUMENTAL IN PROVIDING, UM, THE DAY CAMP PROGRAM FOR OUR CITIZENS.

AND, UM, I'VE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE, UM, TALK TO ME ABOUT, THEY REALLY APPRECIATE THE SUMMER DAY CAMP, SO I JUST WANTED TO THANK THEM FOR THAT.

AND ALSO I HAD, UM, AN INDIVIDUAL CONTACT ME AND, AND ASK ME, MR. HUGHES, IF, UM, WHEN HENDERSON PARK IS, UM, I KNOW YOU'RE IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING, DOING A LOT OF, UH, WORK WITH WITHIN THE HENDERSON PARK, WILL THERE BE AN ENTRANCE SIGN OVER ON THE CHAPMAN STREET SIDE? THERE IS NO ENTRANCE SIDE THERE.

THERE IS ONE OVER ON THIRD AVENUE, BUT NOT ON THE CHAPMAN STREET SIDE.

I STILL GET COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE LACK OF STREET LIGHTS ON EDEN STREET.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

UM, ALSO, I WANTED TO ASK, UM, MR. HUGHES, UM, I KNOW IN THE PAST WE RECEIVED, UM, OUR MONTHLY REPORTS FROM THE NEWBURN HOUSING AUTHORITY.

WHY ARE WE NOT CONTINUING TO RECEIVE THOSE REPORTS MONTHLY? I DUNNO.

ONE, I DUNNO HOW LONG IT'S BEEN SINCE YOU ALL HAVEN'T RECEIVED THAT.

LET, LET ME LOOK INTO THAT.

YEAH, I MEAN, FOR MY PURPOSE ONLY.

I MEAN, NO OTHER BOARD MEMBER MAY NOT WANT TO RECEIVE THE REPORT, BUT I JUST, I I THINK THEY WERE VERY, UM, THOSE REPORTS THAT WE RECEIVED IN THE PAST HELD A LOT OF INFORMATION AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO GET THAT REPORT.

ALDERMAN ASTOR, NOTHING NICE SIR.

ALDERMAN ROYAL? NOTHING SIR.

ALDERMAN FRILL.

NOTHING.

ALRIGHT, MA UH, THE ONLY COMMENT I WOULD HAVE, UMM NOT SURE IF IT EVER WENT ANYWHERE, BUT, UH,

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SO IF WE COULD HAVE A SURVEY DONE ABOUT THAT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE THERE.

AND THEN,

[26. Closed Session.]

UH, CLOSED SESSION.

YES SIR.

WE'LL NEED YOU BRIEFLY IN A CLOSED SESSION FOR SERGEANT 1 43, 3 10, 11 85 TO DISCUSS THE POTENTIAL ACQUISITION OF REAL PROPERTY.

DO I HAVE A MOTION? OKAY.

YOU GO INTO CLOSED SESSION.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

WE ARE IN CLOSED SESSION, .

WE ARE OUT OF CLOSED SESSION.

IS THERE ANY MORE BUSINESS TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN THIS EVENING? I, SIR, I MAKE A MOTION.

WE ADJOURN.

HAVE A MOTION A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.