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OKAY,[I. CALL TO ORDER ]
WE'RE GONNA CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.UM, KENDRA, CAN YOU DO A, A ROLL CALL? SURE.
WE START WITH, UH, MR. TREY FERGUSON.
UH, BOARD MEMBER KATHLEEN MARTY HERE.
THAT CONCLUDES THE ROLL CALL CHAIRMAN.
OKAY, SO WE DO HAVE A QUORUM AND WE CAN GET STARTED IF YOU'D LIKE TO ASK EVERYBODY TO STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
P IT IS TO DO THE LIFE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
[IV. CHAIRMAN REMARKS]
WE HAVE A FEW PEOPLE HERE THIS EVENING AND I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE SOME COMMENTS, BOTH POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE ABOUT THE, THE PERMIT APPLICATION.SO I WOULD LIKE TO START OFF BY ASKING EVERYBODY TO TURN THEIR CELL PHONES OFF, MAKE SURE SO WE DON'T GET ANY DISTURBANCES AND WE CAN TRY TO MAKE IT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF, OF ASKING FOLKS TO COME FORWARD.
AND ALSO, I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS ON THE SIGNUP SHEET AND SO WE HAVE NAMES AND ADDRESSES.
'CAUSE WHEN PEOPLE COME UP, WE'LL TRY JUST TO GET THEM TO SPEAK AND NOT ASK TO REPEAT, UM, FOR SPELLING.
AND THEN WE CAN HAVE IT ALL IN THE COMMENTS THERE.
IS THERE ANYBODY THAT NEEDS TO SIGN IN BEFORE WE GET STARTED? SO WE DON'T, WE GOOD? OKAY.
WELL HANG ON JUST A SECOND TO GET, LET YOU GET SIGNED IN.
SO I GUESS AS, AS THEY'RE SIGNING, AND I CAN TAKE A MINUTE TO I GUESS DISCUSS THE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT, WE'D REALLY LIKE EVERYBODY TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
UM, IF FOLKS ARE GOING TO BE, I GUESS IN A WAY REDUNDANT TO SOMEBODY WHO'S SPOKEN PREVIOUSLY AND IT'S, UM, A COMMENT THAT MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, JUDGES AND OPINION AS OPPOSED TO A DOCUMENT THAT HAS, UM, APPROVED FROM A PROFESSIONAL, YOU KNOW, PLEASE KIND OF COME UP TO THE FRONT AND STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, WHERE YOU LIVE, AND IF IT'S NOTHING NEW, WE MAYBE PREFER TO SAY, OKAY, UM, PLEASE ADD MY NAME TO THE RECORD, WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY STATED.
AND YOU ALSO FEEL FREE TO STATE THAT INDIVIDUAL INDIVIDUAL'S NAME.
BUT THAT'S UP TO Y'ALL IF, IF, IF TO TRY TO SPEED THINGS ALONG.
THAT OPTION IS AVAILABLE TO YOU ALL.
UM, IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO DO IT, WE ARE GLAD TO HEAR WHAT IT HAS TO SAY IF IT TAKES EVERYBODY SAYING THE SAME THING.
BUT PLEASE, PLEASE HELP US ALONG SO WE CAN, YOU KNOW, LEAVE BEFORE, UH, TOO LATE IN THE EVENING.
SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS THE FOLKS THAT ARE SIGNED IN THAT ARE, ARE GONNA SPEAK, PLEASE STAND UP, UH, RAISE YOUR HAND AND WE'LL GET SWORN IN.
DO YOU ALL SOLEMNLY SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO.
[VI. SPECIAL USE APPLICATIONS]
KEDRICK, DO YOU, UH, HAVE EVERYTHING TOGETHER TO WHERE YOU CAN DISCUSS THE APPLICATION? YES SIR.HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY CAN HEAR ME.
BUT THANK YOU FOR ATTENDING TONIGHT'S BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MEETING.
UM, BEFORE I BEGIN WITH THE INTRODUCTION TO OUR AGENDA ITEM FOR TONIGHT, I JUST WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS THE SPECIAL USE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT FOR YOU.
SO THIS IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING AND WHILE MOST USES ARE PERMITTED BY RIGHTS, THERE ARE SOME USES THAT REQUIRE, UM, A SPECIAL USE.
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RESPONSIBILITY IS ESSENTIALLY TO LOOK AT EACH CRITERIA THAT YOU SEE HERE ON BOTH OF THESE SCREENS, UM, AND ESSENTIALLY DECIDE TO MAKE AN APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF EACH CRITERIA.UM, EACH CRITERIA AGAIN, MUST ACTUALLY RECEIVE AN APPROVAL FOR THE BOARD PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
THE BOARD ALSO RESERVES THE RIGHT TO IMPOSE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS BEYOND ZONING REQUIREMENTS.
I'M GONNA BEGIN BY INTRODUCING OUR FIRST ITEM.
ALRIGHT, GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN.
AND GOOD EVENING TO THE BOARD.
THIS IS THRIVE MOORE COMMUNITY CAROLINA COLORS.
UM, THIS IS SPECIAL USE PERMIT 0 0 2 7 7 7 20 23.
THE LOCATION, UM, OF COURSE THE TAX RECORD IS 50 25 OLD AIRPORT ROAD AND THE PROPOSED USE IS A MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENCE OR MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENCES.
THE REQUEST SUMMARY THE APPLICANT HERE IS REED VANDER SILK.
HE IS THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF THRIVE MORE INC.
THE OWNER IS OVER THE HOLDINGS, LLC.
AND THE ZONING DISTRICT FOR THE PROPERTY IS RESIDENTIAL R DASH, OR EXCUSE ME, RESIDENTIAL EIGHT OR R DASH EIGHT.
HERE IS A VICINITY MAP FOR THE PARCEL AND IT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE COLORING THERE.
A HERE IS A ZONING MAP TO REFLECT THE R DASH A COLOR, AND AGAIN, THE PARCELS HIGHLIGHTED AND THAT IS FOLLOWED BY THE SITE PLAN AND ESSENTIALLY THE ITEMS, UM, SITE PLAN FOR, FOR THE ACTUAL REVIEW OF THAT SITE AND WITH WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
AND IF THE BOARD HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL TAKE THOSE AT THIS TIME.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ANY BOARD MEMBERS AND ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FOR THE BOARD? I DO HAVE, UH, AN EXPERT, UH, THAT HAS ACTUALLY CAME TO ESSENTIALLY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, TRAFFIC RELATED.
UH, SHE WORKS AMONG US AS WELL.
UM, SHE'S WITH, I BELIEVE IT'S THE METROPOLITAN PLANNER ORGANIZATION.
AND ANY TRAFFIC QUESTIONS THAT COME FROM THE BOARD, SHE IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO STAND IN AND ANSWER THEM AS AN EXPERT.
IS THE APPLICANT HERE AT THIS TIME? YES, WE'RE GOOD.
GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN TAK AND, UH, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS.
I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH THE LAW FIRM OF WARDEN SMITH HERE IN TOWN, UH, WORK OUT AT THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE.
AND, UH, I'M GONNA BE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT TONIGHT, AND I HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE WITH ME, UH, TO PRESENT THE INFORMATION ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT TO THE BOARD.
I DO HAVE SOME MATERIALS THAT I'D LIKE TO HAND OUT, UH, TO, TO THE MORTON TO HELP WITH.
AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE, UH, THIS IS A SPECIAL USE, UH, PERMIT APPLICATION ON BEHALF OF THRIVE MOORE COMMUNITY, UH, AT CAROLINA COLORS, UH, AND WHICH IS REALLY THRIVE MORE INCORPORATED.
UM, AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS JUST GO THROUGH THE MATERIALS REAL QUICKLY WITH YOU.
UH, THE, UH, BOOKLET THAT I'VE HANDED OUT HAS CERTAIN ITEMS IN IT.
UH, UNDER TAB NUMBER ONE IS A COPY OF THE APPLICATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED, UH, WHICH INCLUDES THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS STUDY.
IT'S NOT THE COMPLETE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, UH, IMPACT STUDY BECAUSE THAT WAS, UM, A HUNDRED AND SOMETHING PAGES.
UH, BUT THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING STAFF AND IS PART OF THEIR RECORD.
UH, AND THEN IT IS GOT THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN, UH, WHICH KENDRICK JUST SHOWED UP ON THE, UH, ON THE MONITOR THERE.
UH, IN, IN TAB NUMBER TWO IS A VALUATION OPINION.
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AND YOU WILL HEAR FROM OUR, OUR AN APPRAISER, UH, THAT IS GONNA SPEAK ON BEHALF OF US ABOUT VALUATION AND IMPACT ON, ON PROPERTIES.UH, AND THEN THE THIRD ONE IS, A THIRD TAB IS A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO GET THAT TO KENDRICK, SO WE JUST PROVIDED IT IN, UH, PAPER FORMAT, BUT YOU CAN FOLLOW ALONG.
AND IT'S, UH, WE'RE GONNA GO IN ORDER, UH, WITH THE WITNESSES THAT ARE GONNA TESTIFY THROUGH, THROUGH THAT.
UH, AND THEN THE LAST, UH, TAB IS PROFESSIONAL RESUMES OF THE INDIVIDUALS WHO WILL BE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
SO I'M JOINED, UH, THIS EVENING BY REED VANDERILL, WHO IS HERE.
HE'S THE CEO AND PRESIDENT OF THRIVE MORE INC.
HE'S THE PROJECT MANAGER AND WORKS WITH LCS DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND EACH OF THESE INDIVIDUALS WILL COME UP AND INTRODUCE THEMSELVES AGAIN AND TELL YOU THEIR, THEIR BACKGROUND AND THINGS LIKE THAT BEFORE THEY, THEY TESTIFY.
UH, CHRISTIE MACK, WHO'S WITH SFCS, UH, WHICH IS A DESIGN, UH, COMPANY, SHE'S A PROJECT MANAGER, UH, KIMBERLY BARR, WHO IS, UH, A ARCHITECTURE AND DESIGN, UH, PROFESSIONAL WITH STIMMEL ENGINEER FIRM.
UH, CHASE SMITH, WHO IS WITH
AND THEN I'LL, I'LL COME UP AND SPEAK AT THE END TO SOME OF THE LAND USE, UH, APPLICATIONS.
SO RIGHT NOW I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO MR. VANEL, UH, TO INTRODUCE, UH, YOU TO HOR AND WHAT THEY'RE ABOUT.
GOOD EVENING LADIES AND DOMAN.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR ORGANIZATION.
UH, WE ARE A FAITH-BASED NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT DOES RETIREMENT COMMUNITIES.
WE HAVE FOUR IN NORTH CAROLINA.
WE'VE BEEN SERVING SENIORS SINCE 1951.
AND OUR MODEL, OUR PREFERRED MODEL, AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE IS, UM, A FULL CONTINUUM OF CARE.
WE, THE INDUSTRY CALLS IT A CONTINUING CARE RETIREMENT COMMUNITY.
AND THE REASON WE BELIEVE IN THAT MODEL IS THAT COUPLES DO NOT AGE AT THE SAME RATE.
ONE GETS, UH, HEALTH ISSUES BEFORE THE OTHER ONE.
BY HAVING EVERYTHING ON THE SAME CAMPUS, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO KEEP COUPLES TOGETHER ON THE SAME CAMPUS.
UM, SO WE THINK IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF, UM, COUPLES LIVING OUT THEIR, THEIR BEST LIFE.
SO, UM, WE DO HAVE, LIKE I SAID, A 70 YEAR LEGACY OF EXCELLENCE, UM, IN SENIOR LIVING EXPERIENCES.
AND IT REALLY IS AN EXPERIENCE, UH, INDEPENDENT LIVING THAT PEOPLE COME IN, THEY'RE VERY ACTIVE AND ENGAGED IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT AS HEALTH CONDITIONS CHANGE, WE'RE THERE FOR 'EM.
UM, WE'RE ROOTED IN CORE VALUES, HONESTY, FAIRNESS, COMPASSION, COOPERATION, DEPENDABILITY, HUMOR, KINDNESS, LOYALTY, PATIENCE AND CONSCIENTIOUSNESS.
UM, QUALITY CARE AND MEANINGFUL LIVING IS AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT OF, OF WHAT WE DO.
AND BECAUSE WE ARE FAITH-BASED AND NON-PROFIT, UH, WE DO PROVIDE BENEVOLENT CARE OR, AND SOMETIMES IN THE HEALTHCARE INDUSTRY, IT'S CALLED CHARITY CARE, BUT THAT'S FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE RUN OUTTA MONEY, UM, OR CANNOT AFFORD TO PAY A FULL PRIVATE PAY RATE ON THEIR OWN.
SO WE'RE ABLE TO REALLY PROVIDE A WONDERFUL ENVIRONMENT TO ALL ECONOMIC LEVELS AND THAT, AGAIN, IMPORTANT ELEMENT OF WHO WE ARE AS A FAITH-BASED ORGANIZATION.
I'M GONNA TURN OVER TO LUKE RELLE.
THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I HAVE THE, MAY I ASK A QUESTION? SURE, YES MA'AM.
CAN RESIDENTS ENTER AT DIFFERENT STAGES OF THEIR LIFE, OR MUST THEY COME IN AT, UH, A CERTAIN LEVEL? SO, UM, TYPICALLY THEY COME IN, IN INDEPENDENT LIVING.
UM, THEY ARE ABLE TO COME IN, IN ASSISTED LIVING, MEMORY CARE, SKILLED NURSING, BUT THERE HAS TO BE AVAILABLE ROOMS AND WE TYPICALLY RESERVE THOSE ROOMS FOR PEOPLE THAT START WITH US IN INDEPENDENT LIVING.
SO IT'S POSSIBLE, BUT I KNOW ALSO DON'T WANT TO CREATE PULSE EXPECTATIONS.
ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? OKAY.
LUCAS SHAW WITH LCS DEVELOPMENT OUT OF DES MOINES, IOWA.
I'VE BEEN DOING DEVELOPMENT, UH, FOR NEARLY 20 YEARS.
UM, STARTED IN THE GROCERY STORE INDUSTRY AND HAVE BEEN DOING, UM, SOLELY SENIOR LIVING, UH, DEVELOPMENT NOW FOR THE PAST ALMOST 10 YEARS.
UM, LCS DEVELOPMENT IN PARTICULAR OUT OF DES MOINES, HAS BEEN DEVELOPING FOR OVER 50 YEARS, SPECIFICALLY IN THE SENIOR LIVING INDUSTRY.
THAT'S ALL WE DEVELOP ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
UM, JUST WANTED TO HIT REAL QUICK ON THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES THAT YOU WERE PRESENTED RELATED TO THE OVERALL MASTER PLAN AND THE PHASE ONE, JUST SO EVERYBODY KIND OF UNDERSTANDS THE SCOPE.
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CAN SEE ON PAGE SIX AND UH, IS LISTED ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, UM, HAS, IS PROPOSING TO HAVE 158 INDEPENDENT LIVING APARTMENTS, 52 SINGLE STORY COTTAGES, 18 ASSISTED LIVING WITH 12 MEMORY CARE AND 12 SKILLED NURSING, AS WELL AS THE COMMONS AND AMENITIES THAT WOULD COME ALONG WITH THAT.MULTIPLE RESTAURANTS, UH, FOR MULTIPLE DINING OPTIONS, THERE WILL BE LOTS OF OUTDOOR AMENITIES AND ACTIVITIES AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE SITE PLAN, WALKING PATHS ALL AROUND.
I DO WANT TO ALSO NOTE, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE ON PAGE SIX, UM, ON ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE PAGE, THERE IS A RIPARIAN BUFFER ALONG THAT PROPERTY LINE WHERE THOSE, UM, LOTS, THOSE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY LOTS ABUT TO THE PROPERTY.
THAT'S A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED FOOT WIDE RIPERION BUFFER THAT IS REQUIRED AND WILL BE MAINTAINED.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S WELL KNOWN THAT THAT IS THERE AND, UH, TO BE MAINTAINED.
UM, AS WE LOOK INTO PHASE TWO, WE'RE PROPOSING ANOTHER POTENTIAL 59 INDEPENDENT LIVING APARTMENTS, 12 COTTAGES, 18 ASSISTED LIVING IN 12, 12 SKILLED NURSING, AND THEN A POTENTIAL PHASE THREE WITH 59 ADDITIONAL INDEPENDENT LIVING APARTMENTS, 24 COTTAGES AND 12 MEMORY CARE.
AND THEN A POTENTIAL PHASE FOUR WOULD ADD IN 24 HYBRID APARTMENTS, WHICH IS JUST SMALLER SCALE APARTMENT BUILDING.
AND, UM, IF YOU GO TO PAGE SEVEN, I DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH THESE NUMBERS AGAIN, BUT THIS JUST SIMPLY HIGHLIGHTS THE ACTUAL STRUCTURES THAT AT THIS POINT IN THE CON CONCEPTUAL DESIGN ARE INTENDED TO BE CONSTRUCTED IN PHASE ONE TO GET TO THOSE NUMBERS THAT WE'VE OUTLINED.
THE LARGER PORTION IN THE CENTER THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW WHERE IT'S ALL CONNECTED, THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE THE MULTI-STORY APARTMENT BUILDING WITH EVERYTHING ELSE IN THIS PHASE BEING ALL SINGLE STORY BUILDINGS.
ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT? SO I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION ON THE, UH, RIP REPAIR AND BUFFER.
YEAH, SO THAT'S THE CREEK I GUESS THAT SEPARATES THE PROPERTY.
SO IT HAS TO BE BUFFERED WITH VEGETATION PERMANENTLY.
THE CREEK IS ACTUALLY ON THE BOTTOM SIDE.
I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S A CREEK ALONG THAT PROPERTY LINE.
IS THERE, THERE'S THERE'S ONE ON THAT SIDE SIDE TOO.
SO IT IS ALONG THAT CREEK AND AGAIN, IT'S 50 FOOT ON EITHER SIDE.
THIS ONE, THE MULTI-STORY IS THAT THE, UH, 59 INDEPENDENT LIVING APARTMENTS, IT WOULD BE IN PHASE ONE WOULD BE THE 158 DEPEND IN OH I APARTMENTS.
AND THEN THE FUTURE PHASES ADD ON TO THAT SAME BUILDING.
SO THEN YOU WOULD BE CORRECT, PHASE TWO WOULD ADD ON 59 MORE? THAT'S CORRECT.
YOU, YOU MENTIONED RESTAURANT OPTIONS, UM, WHERE I, IS THAT WITHIN THE COMMON DINING FACILITY WITHIN THE INDEPENDENT LIVING APARTMENTS? YEAH, SO THAT WOULD BE WITHIN THE COMMONS BUILDING.
IT'S BASICALLY THIS CENTRAL HUB.
SO IF YOU GO BACK TO THE MASTER PLAN WHERE YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT'S KIND OF GOT, UM, KIND OF THE CURVED SHAPES ON BOTH SIDES, THOSE ARE ALL INTENDED TO BE APARTMENTS.
AND THIS WHOLE MIDDLE SECTION WOULD BE WHERE IT WOULD BE ALL OF YOUR COMMON SPACES, YOUR FITNESS CENTER, UM, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL FOR RE MULTIPLE RESTAURANTS, OBVIOUSLY LOUNGE, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
ARE THERE ANY, UH, PLANS, I DON'T SEE IT IN THIS PHASING, BUT ARE THERE ANY PLANS FOR OUT PARCELS ONE AND TWO TO HAVE ANY STRUCTURES THERE? THERE ARE NOT CURRENTLY, NO.
SO FROM A HOUSEKEEPING ISSUE BEFORE WE CONTINUE ON, I DID SEE A COUPLE HANDS GO UP AND EVERYBODY WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
WHAT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO IS GO THROUGH ALL THE WITNESSES THAT ARE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT GROUP TO SPEAK, THEN WE WILL ASK FOR FOLKS THAT OPPOSE THE PROJECT TO SPEAK AFTER THAT'S COMPLETED.
AND THE GROUP WILL THEN HAVE A CHANCE FOR REBUTTAL ALSO AFTER THE CASE.
AND WE'RE GONNA DO IT THAT WAY AND WE'LL GET FOLKS TO COME UP POSITIVE ALSO, SO EVERYBODY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY, SPACE IT OUT A LITTLE BIT TO WHERE THEY CAN THINK A LITTLE BIT AND BE ABLE TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION.
SO JUST LITTLE HOUSEKEEPING BIT THERE, BUT YEAH, CONTINUE ON ERIC.
UH, THE NEXT PERSON THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE COME UP IS CHRISTIE MACK.
SHE'S GONNA SPEAK TO YOU ABOUT THIS.
I'M A SENIOR PROJECT MANAGER AND ARCHITECT WITH FFCS ARCHITECTS.
UH, WE ARE A NATIONAL ARCHITECTURE FIRM.
WE HAVE FOUR OFFICES, UH, IN THE COUNTRY AND WE DO PROJECTS, UH, I WOULD SAY IN 48 OUT OF THE 50 STATES IN THE COUNTRY.
UM, WE PERSONALLY, I AM A SENIOR PROJECT MANAGER.
I HAVE BEEN MANAGING PROJECTS FOR OVER 10 YEARS.
UM, LIKE I SAID, ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
I'M A MEMBER OF THE AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF ARCHITECTS AND I'M IN CARD CERTIFIED, WHICH IS THE NATIONAL COUNCIL OF ARCHITECTURAL REGISTRATION BOARDS.
AND I'M LICENSED IN BOTH NEW YORK AND NORTH CAROLINA.
UM, IF YOU GO TO SLIDE NINE, THAT IS SHOWING SOME PRECEDENT EXAMPLES OF THE CAROLINA COLORS EXISTING COMMUNITY.
SO WE'RE SHOWING A VARIETY OF ARCHITECTURE THAT EXISTS IN THE COMMUNITY
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CURRENTLY.SO THERE ARE DUPLEXES, UH, THERE ARE TOWN HOMES, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UH, IN A VARIETY OF ARCHITECTURAL, WHAT THEY CALL COASTAL STYLES.
UH, THERE IS ALSO THE VIRIDIAN, WHICH IS A SENIOR LIVING FACILITY.
THEY HAVE, UH, INDEPENDENT LIVING, WHICH IS IN A THREE STORY, UH, ATTACHED APARTMENT BUILDING AS WELL AS THEY HAVE ASSISTED LIVING, WHICH ISN'T A ONE STORY BUILDING AND HAS A, WITHIN THAT BUILDING, THEY HAVE A ONE STORY COMMON SPACE.
UM, ALSO SHOWING ON THAT SLIDE IS THE ENTRY BOULEVARD INTO EACH INDIVIDUAL NEIGHBORHOOD FOR CAROLINA COLORS, WHICH REALLY, UM, SHOWS SIGNAGE THAT, THAT EACH NEIGHBORHOOD HAS, AS WELL AS THE TREE LINED ENTRY AND BOULEVARD, KIND OF A DIVIDED BOULEVARD INTO EACH ONE OF THOSE, UM, SPACES.
SLIDE 10 SHOWS TO INTERRUPT IT BE POSSIBLE.
HAVE THESE SLIDES UP SO THEY'LL BE THE RIGHT.
SEE, UNFORTUNATELY, YEAH, UNFORTUNATELY, SIR, I DIDN'T RECEIVE THE POWERPOINT TO BE ABLE TO PUT IT UP ON THE SCREEN.
SLIDE 10 SHOWS A RENDERING OF A POSSIBLE POSE ENTRY INTO THE, UM, THRIVE MORE COMMUNITY, WHICH SHOWS ARCHITECTURE AND SIMILAR ENTRY AS TO OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO THERE WOULD BE A TREE LINE BOULEVARD, THERE WOULD BE SIGNAGE, SIDEWALKS, UH, TO MAKE IT A VERY WALKABLE COMMUNITY.
AND THEN SLIDE 11 SHOWS SOME INITIAL RENDERINGS OF WHAT WE ENVISION THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO LOOK LIKE.
SO WE'RE ENVISIONING ON THE OUTER PENINSULA OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT TO BE SINGLE FAMILY ONE STORY HOMES AND POSSIBLE DUPLEX HOMES.
UH, THE ARCHITECTURE WOULD MATCH THE EXISTING CAROLINA COLORS COMMUNITY, MEANING THERE WOULD BE FIBER, CEMENT SIDING, ASPHALT SHINGLES, POSSIBLE AREAS OF METAL, UM, ROOFING AS ACCENTS.
UH, YOU KNOW, EACH ONE OF THE COTTAGES COTTAGE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WOULD, UH, HAVE A SELECTION OF VARYING EXTERIOR MATERIALS OF STONE AND SIDING SO THAT THERE'S A VARIETY OF COLORS.
SO EACH HOME IS NOT THE SAME GOING ON THAT, UH, WATERFRONT AND THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THEN THE PROPOSED, UM, THREE STORY APARTMENT BUILDING, WHICH IS, UM, INDEPENDENT LIVING WOULD BE SET BACK.
SO THAT IS ON THE BACK OF THE PENINSULA.
IT'S ABOUT A QUARTER MILE FROM THE NEAREST, UM, EXISTING HOME WITHIN THE CAROLINA COLORS COMMUNITY.
ANY QUESTIONS? YES, I HAVE A QUESTION.
I KNOW YOU SAID YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, SENIOR, SENIOR LIVING, UH, UH, HOMES AND STUFF.
ARE THEY GONNA BE INCOME BASED? THEY ARE.
UM, THRIVE MORE CAN SPEAK MORE SPECIFICALLY TO THIS, BUT THIS IS AN ENTRANCE FEE BASED COMMUNITY.
SO, UH, RESIDENTS WOULD PAY AN ENTRY FEE TO ENTER THE COMMUNITY.
OH, SO THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE INFANT BASED, JUST GONNA BE ONE SET PRICE FOR ALL OF THEM.
SO THE INDEPENDENT LIVING WILL BE YEAH, IT'LL BE ENTRANCE FEE BASED, AND IT'LL BE BASED ON THE SIZE OF, OF THE UNIT AS WE GET INTO NEED-BASED CARE, UM, WHERE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE OPTIONS.
WE, WE DO ADMIT INTO NEED-BASED CARE AND WE DO A SLIDING SCALE FOR THAT, BUT INDEPENDENT LIVING IS A CHOICE.
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE CAN STAY IN THEIR HOME, THEY CAN GO TO A CONDO, THEY CAN CHOOSE A RETIREMENT COMMUNITY.
SO THAT, THAT IS A MARKET RATE FOR THOSE.
IF WE HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN, UM, THE PHOTOGRAPHS ON PAGE NINE, THOSE ARE THE EXISTING HOMES IN CAROLINA COLORS.
SO ARE THE NEW ONES GOING TO RESEMBLE WHAT IS PICTURED THERE? THEY ARE GOING TO BE SIMILAR.
SO WE ARE PROPOSING, UH, EACH INDIVIDUAL FAMILY COTTAGE WOULD HAVE LIKE A LARGE FRONT PORCH, UH, A LARGE COVERED FRONT PORCH.
UH, THERE WOULD BE LANDSCAPING AS PART OF THEIR PACKAGE, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO THE CAROLINA COLORS DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SO YES, THE ARCHITECTURE WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR.
IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF, THERE WOULD BE REALLY DIFFERENTIATING DETAILS BETWEEN A RESIDENTIAL HOME IN CAROLINA COLORS VERSUS AN INDEPENDENT LIVING HOME WITHIN THIS COMMUNITY, OTHER THAN PROBABLY YOU SAID ONE STORY AS OPPOSED TO MULTIPLE STORIES.
RIGHT NOW WE DO NOT HAVE A TWO STORY OPTION PLANNED, BUT THAT MAY BE AN OPTION IN THE FUTURE.
UM, HOW APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY OF THE RESIDENTS SAYS WOULD INCLUDE FOOD IN WITHIN THEIR ZION PLACE? UM, I UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT ALL OF THESE INCLUDE A FOOD, UM, THEY, THEY'RE INCLUDED
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MEALS, A CERTAIN NUMBER OF MEALS, WHETHER THEY'RE MONTHLY, UH, PAYMENT TO THE, AND THAT INCLUDES THE INDEPENDENT LIVING ALL OFFICE? THAT'S CORRECT.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
DOES THE OVERHEAD PROJECTOR STILL HAVE ABILITIES TO, TO GET CONNECTED TO WHERE YOU COULD PUT UP A COUPLE OF THE PICTURES BY ANY CHANCE? UH, I THINK THAT IT DOES, BUT I'LL BE ABSOLUTELY HONEST.
I WAS NOT SHOWN HOW TO CONNECT IT AND PUT IT TOGETHER.
I WANTED TO ASK JUST TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE HAD TO USE IT A TIME OR TWO.
I'LL TRY TO MAKE SURE I GET SOME TRAINING ON THAT.
I AM A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WITH STEM ASSOCIATES.
OUR FIRM HAS BEEN IN BUSINESS SINCE 1986.
I'VE BEEN THERE FOR 33 YEARS, NOT QUITE SINCE THE BEGINNING, BUT WE ARE A FIRM HALF CIVIL ENGINEERS AND HALF LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS.
AND WE DO WORK ALL OVER NORTH CAROLINA, SOUTH CAROLINA, TENNESSEE, AND VIRGINIA.
UH, I MYSELF AM A LICENSED, UH, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT IN NORTH CAROLINA AND TENNESSEE.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANNA, UH, HIT UPON HERE IS JUST, AGAIN, GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH THE CITY.
WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE DRC COMMITTEE AND WE'VE SUBMITTED OUR PLANS, WHICH KENDRICK SHOULD DECIDE PLAN.
SO WE'VE RECEIVED COMMENTS BACK FROM, UH, THE PUBLIC WORKS FOLKS, FROM, UH, ALL OF THE FOLKS WITH STORMWATER EROSION CONTROL, AS WELL AS FIRE SAFETY AND, UH, ELECTRICAL.
AND SO FOR US, WE, WE VERY CLOSELY FOLLOW WHAT THE ORDINANCE IS IN ANY CITY WE WORK IN.
WE SPEAK WITH PLANNING, WE TALK TO THOSE FOLKS.
AND IN FACT, UM, BACK IN APRIL, WE HAD A MEETING WITH A LARGE NUMBER OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS, SO WE UNDERSTOOD WHAT THE NEEDS FOR THIS PROJECT WERE.
AND AS WE'VE INDICATED, UM, ON SLIDE 14 OR PAGE 14, UH, WE DO HAVE, UH, A SENSE OF WHAT THAT IS AND HOW WE NEED TO FOLLOW.
SO WATER AND SEWER WILL BE PROVIDED FOR EACH PHASE.
WE WILL SPEAK WITH THE FOLKS, UH, RELATIVE TO HOW MANY GALLONS PER DAY OF WATER IS NEEDED.
AND ANY TYPES OF, UH, ESTABLISHED AGREEMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED WILL, WILL OCCUR.
THERE'LL BE A DEFINED LIMIT BETWEEN THE PUBLIC SERVICE AND THE PRIVATE, UH, AND ANY CONNECTION FEES.
AND, AND THE CODE REQUIRED DETAILS WILL BE ADHERED TO THE SAME FOR STORMWATER AND EROSION CONTROL.
THE LAKE TO THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY IS A STORMWATER DEVICE.
AND WE ARE GOING TO, UH, DEPOSIT, UH, A PORTION OF OUR, OUR PROJECT INTO THAT AS THE LAY OF THE LAND IS WE WILL ALSO HAVE A NEW STORMWATER POND CENTRAL TO THE CAMPUS.
AND, UM, THERE ARE CURRENTLY APPROVALS FOR THAT LAKE AND WE'LL ADHERE TO THOSE AND SUPPLY OUR IMPERVIOUS CALCULATIONS AS NEEDED.
UH, THERE'S A NUMBER OF OTHER REGULATIONS WITH THE US ARMY, US ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH, UM, THE WETLANDS THAT WE HAVE ALONG THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE.
IT'S A, A CREEK, IT'S CALLED LEE'S BRANCH.
AND THAT IS, UH, BETWEEN US AND THE GOLF COURSE.
SO AGAIN, ALL OF THAT, UH, WOULD ADHERE TO THE CURRENT APPROVED PLANS.
WE WILL SUBMIT OUR SITE PLAN AND MAKE SURE THAT PERMIT THAT'S IN PLACE AND APPROVED UNTIL 2026 IS ALSO, UH, IN COMPLIANCE, ELECTRICAL AND SITE LIGHTING.
WE MET WITH YOUR, YOUR FOLKS AND WE KNOW THAT, UM, THE, THE LOADS, I THINK THERE'S A NEW SUBSTATION THAT'S BEING BUILT, UH, JUST SOUTH OF OUR SITE.
WE WOULD PROVIDE WHAT THOSE LOADS ARE FOR EACH PHASE, AND THEN THERE'S ADEQUATE TIME FOR, FOR, UH, YOUR DEPARTMENT TO ORDER THE EQUIPMENT AND INSTALL THAT.
SO ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS ARE IMPORTANT.
UM, THE FIRE MARSHAL, WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT OUR DRIVES, OUR ACCESS AROUND THE BUILDINGS, HOW THE FIRE TRUCKS WILL, WILL ADMINISTER THE SAFETY OF THE FOLKS LIVING HERE, BOTH IN THE ONE STORY AND THREE STORY BUILDING.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE APPLYING, WE'RE COMPLYING WITH THE LOCAL AND STATE REGULATIONS AND ANY PERMITS THAT ARE NEEDED WILL BE OBTAINED.
ANY QUESTIONS? ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? UH, YES.
YES, HONOR, HOW LONG DO YOU THINK IF YOU ARE APPROVED, THAT THIS PROJECT WOULD TAKE, HOW LONG, HOW MANY YEARS, HOW MANY MONTHS, HOW MANY YEARS DID IT TAKE, DO YOU THINK? SO THE INITIAL PHASE IS, UM, APPROXIMATELY TWO YEARS FOR CONSTRUCTION.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT SURE THE EXACT DATE OF STARTING PART OF THAT IS WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY AND GETTING APPROVAL, SO.
IS SOMEONE, UH, STILL TO SPEAK ON THE TRAFFIC? YES, THAT IS ACTUALLY THE, THE NEXT PERSON.
THIS IS CHASE SMITH IS COMING UP.
MY NAME IS CHASE SMITH WITH RAYMOND KEMP ASSOCIATES.
UH, RAYMOND KEMP ASSOCIATES IS A TRAFFIC ENGINEERING FIRM BASED
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OUT OF RALEIGH, NORTH CAROLINA.UH, WE'VE BEEN AROUND FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS NOW, UM, AND DO WORK IN MUCH OF THE SOUTHEAST, UH, CREEK UP IN THE MID-ATLANTIC STATES AND, UM, SEVERAL OTHER STATES AS WELL.
I'VE PERSONALLY HAVE BEEN, UH, WITH RAMEY KEMP FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS NOW.
AND I'M A LICENSED, UH, PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER IN NORTH CAROLINA, SOUTH CAROLINA, VIRGINIA, FLORIDA, AND MISSISSIPPI.
UM, AS KIMBERLY SAID, UH, WE FOCUSED ON THE, THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERING PORTION OF, OF THIS PROJECT.
SO I'LL BE SPEAKING TO, UH, THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'VE GOT ON PAGE 16.
UM, WHEN WE COORDINATE ON THESE TRAFFIC STUDIES, UH, WE LOOP IN BOTH THE STATE AND LOCAL AGENCIES.
UM, SO WE OBVIOUSLY REACHED OUT TO THE CITY ON THIS ONE, REACHED OUT TO N-C-D-O-T AS WELL, AND N-C-D-O-T SORT OF PASSED THE BUCK OFF IN TERMS OF SCOPING OF THE PROJECT TO, UH, THE CITY, BUT, UM, ARE ALSO STILL INVOLVED IN THE PROJECT AS WELL AS NEEDED.
UM, AS YOU'LL SEE ON ON PAGE 16, IT'S GOT A ANOTHER BREAKDOWN OF SORT OF THE PHASING, UH, FOR THE PROJECT AS WELL AS PHASING FOR THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
UH, FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY, WE'VE BROKE OUT PHASE ONE, UM, AND LOOKED AT THAT SEPARATE FROM SOME OF THE INITIAL PHASE OR, UH, UH, FUTURE PHASES, PHASES TWO THROUGH FOUR, AS THOSE HAVE SMALLER UNIT COUNTS, SORT OF LESS TRAFFIC.
SO WE SORT OF COMBINE THOSE TO GET A, GET A GOOD PICTURE OF, OF BREAKDOWN OF, OF THINGS.
UM, AGAIN, YOU'VE GOT A, ON THE, THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT PAGE, YOU'VE GOT A TABLE AGAIN OF, OF THOSE LAND USES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED.
UM, AND I'LL I'LL NOTE ONE THING THAT LUCAS HAD BROUGHT UP OR A QUESTION WAS POSED TO LUCAS ABOUT THE THE OUT PARCELS.
UM, AND WHILE THERE IS NO NO PLAN CURRENTLY FOR THOSE OUT PARCELS AS WE DO THESE STUDIES, UH, IF AN OUT PARCEL WAS PART OF THE PROJECT, WE'VE GOTTA TAKE INTO ACCOUNT SOME USE FOR IT.
UM, AND, AND FOR THE PURPOSE OF, OF THIS STUDY, WE, WE'VE DONE THAT AND, UM, THOSE USES THAT YOU'VE GOT, THERE ARE AGAIN, ARE NOT SET IN STONE BUT ARE MORE THERE AS, AS A PLACEHOLDER.
'CAUSE THOSE ARE TWO OF THE LARGER GENERATORS OF TRAFFIC.
UM, SO IT, NOT A WHOLE LOT OF INFORMATION THAT I GIVE CAN GIVE AT LEAST TO THE TIA WE LOOKED AT, I'LL GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE SCOPE THAT WE LOOKED AT FROM ONE END OF LANDSCAPE DRIVE AT OLD OLD AIRPORT ROAD, UH, TO THE ROUNDABOUT AT WATERSCAPE WAY.
AND THEN, UH, LOOKED AT THE, OBVIOUSLY THE SITE DRIVEWAYS IN BETWEEN, UM, TOOK INTO ACCOUNT, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S THE ASHTON SUBDIVISION THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY CLOSE BY AND IS IS DUE TO BE CONSTRUCTED SOON.
UM, AS WELL AS SOME ADDITIONAL BACKGROUND GROWTH, UH, BASED ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WE, WE, WE'VE DONE.
UH, WE'RE NOT SEEING THE NEED FOR ANY IMPROVEMENTS TO, UM, LANDSCAPE DRIVE AT THE SIDE ACCESS POINTS, BUT THAT, THAT'S STILL UNDER REVIEW.
UM, UH, TO THAT I'LL SORT OF LEAVE IT AT THAT AND THEN TAKE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS IF THERE ARE ANY.
SO, UM, ONE IS, UM, THE ESTIMATE OF 3,600 YES SIR.
IS THAT ROUGHLY 1,801 WAY TRIPS OR THAT THAT WOULD BE, YES, THAT WOULD BE ROUGHLY 1800 IN 1800 HOUR.
AND THAT WOULD BE OVER THE COURSE OF A 24 HOUR.
ARE THESE ESTIMATES BASED UPON, NOT COMMUNITIES WITH THE SAME POPULATION, BUT PEOPLE LIVING UNDER THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE IN MANY CASES THEY WOULDN'T BE COMING AND GOING AS OFTEN AS THEY WOULD IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD OR SOMEONE ELSE'S? RIGHT.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A, IT SAYS IN THE TABLE UNDER THE LAND USE GETS THE IT LAND USE CODE, THE, IT IS THE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS.
UM, AND SO HOW WE GENERATE TRAFFIC FOR THESE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS, ANY DEVELOPMENT REALLY, UM, IS EACH LAND USE IS GIVEN A SPECIFIC LAND USE CODE.
UH, YOU'LL GET ONE FOR A HOSPITAL, YOU'LL GET ONE FOR A BANK, YOU'LL GET ONE FOR A RETAIL CENTER OF VARYING SIZES.
UM, AND ALL OF THOSE, THE TRIPS ESTIMATED FOR THOSE SPECIFIC LAND USE CODES ARE, UM, ESTIMATE OR ESTIMATED BASED ON STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE NATIONALLY.
SO THIS IS A NATIONAL STANDARD.
UM, SOME ARE BASED ON EQUATIONS, SOME ARE BASED ON TRIP RATES.
UH, SO ESSENTIALLY YOU PUT IN YOUR INTENSITY, YOUR DENSITY, UM, AND IT'LL, IT'LL, IT'LL SPIT OUT A, A TRIP APPROXIMATION FOR YOUR DAILY TRIPS AS WELL AS WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER THE, THE PEAK HOURS OF THE DAY, WHICH BE IT'S A GIVEN STANDARD OF SEVEN TO NINE IN THE MORNING AND FOUR TO SIX IN THE AFTERNOON IS GENERALLY WHEN THE MOST TRAFFIC IS ON THE ROADWAYS.
SO NATIONAL STANDARD, SAME, SAME QUESTION ON THAT TABLE ON THE BOTTOM.
IT SAID FAST FOOD RESTAURANT DRIVE THROUGH.
WOULD THOSE BE MA MAINLY FROM THE OUTSIDE OR FROM THE INSIDE? UH, I THINK IT, IT'LL A BIT OF BOTH I THINK.
AND IT'LL ALSO, UH, SOME OF THOSE TRIPS WOULD ALSO COME FROM TRAFFIC THAT'S ALREADY ON THE ROADWAY.
UM, SO THE WAY THAT WE'VE DONE THIS TRAFFIC STUDY IS ON A CONSERVATIVE MANNER.
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UH, AGAIN, THOSE ARE SORT OF ASSUMED LAND USES JUST TO, TO ADD ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC TO THE ROAD AND, AND GET A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT THE ROADWAYS CAN HANDLE.UM, SO THE ANSWER IS, I, I THINK IT'LL A COMBINATION OF BOTH INTERNAL TRIPS, EXTERNAL TRIPS, AND THEN THOSE EXTERNAL TRIPS COULD BE NEW FOLKS COMING IN FROM OTHER AREAS AS WELL AS TRAFFIC THAT'S ALREADY ON THE ROADWAY.
SO THAT WOULD ACTUALLY DECREASE YOUR NEW, I'M MORE INTERESTED IN, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC ON THE ACCESS ROADS.
SO THAT'S WHY THE QUESTION, SO GOTCHA.
YOU ANSWERED AS BEST YOU CAN, SOMETHING WE ACTUALLY HAVE NO INTENTION OF DOING A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT THERE.
IT, IT WOULDN'T BE A COMPLIMENTARY THING, BUT WE REALLY WANTED TO DO A CONSERVATIVE STUDY, SO THAT'S WHY IT'S INCLUDED, BUT WE HAVE NO INTENTION.
WELL, THAT'S THE LARGEST NUMBER ON THE CHART.
SO THE DAYCARE CENTER IS SIMPLY SPECULATIVE OR AS, AS PART OF THE STUDY? UH, THE DAYCARE CENTER IS, IS A STRONG POSSIBILITY.
UH, IT, IT DOES COMPLIMENT WHAT WE DO.
YOU CAN DO SOME REALLY WONDERFUL INTERGENERATIONAL THINGS WITH OLDER ADULTS AND THE KIDS AND IT'S A GREAT WORKFORCE.
WE TYPICALLY SUBSIDIZE THE EMPLOYEES FOR DAYCARE SO THAT IT'S MORE AFFORDABLE.
UM, SO THAT'S A VERY REAL POSSIBILITY, BUT NOT PAST FOOD
I'VE GOT TWO QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
THE, THE FIRST ONE, IS IT POSSIBLE TO RELATE THESE TRIPS PER DAY COMPARED TO WHAT IT WOULD BE IF IT WAS NOT A MIXED, UH, ASSISTED LIVING TYPE FACILITY? IF IT WAS A RESIDENTIAL FACILITY, UH, THAT HAD A SIMILAR DENSITY, UM, IS THERE ANY WAY TO DO THAT? SO WE MIGHT HAVE A A, A GOOD WAY TO HAVE A JUDGMENT? UH, THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO.
I, I DON'T THINK I COULD DO IT RIGHT NOW 'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE, THE SOFTWARE IN FRONT OF ME, BUT THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE.
IS, IS IT AS HIGH AS IT WOULD BE IF IT WAS A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT SINCE THAT NUMBER'S ON THERE? OR WOULD IT BE LOWER? JUST THROW ME OUT A A MAYBE OR IS SO WHAT DO YOU, THE QUESTION, ASSUMING THAT IT'S LIKE NOT SENIOR HOUSING, CORRECT? UH, I'M JUST, I MEAN, THE NON-SENIOR HOUSING MULTIFAMILY IS OBVIOUSLY IN HIGHER, A HIGHER GENERATOR AND YOU'VE GOT MORE CAR DRIVERS, I THINK.
UM, AND THEY'RE DEFINITELY MORE CONDENSED DURING THE DAY, DURING THOSE PEAK HOURS.
UM, I, I WOULD BE, I, I'D HIGHLY DOUBT THAT IT'D BE HIGHER THAN OUR CURRENT GENERATION THERE OR YEAH.
OR HER CURRENT TRAFFIC GENERATION.
UH, ESPECIALLY WITH THAT FAST FOOD IN THERE, I THINK THAT MORE THAN COVERS ANY, ANY DIFFERENCE IN WHAT THAT TRIP COUNT MIGHT BE.
AND THE SECOND ONE I HAD WAS WITH THE HIGHWAY 70 PROJECT GOING ON, IS THERE ANY WAY TO JUDGE THE BUILD OUT TIME TO THE CURRENT, UH, 70 PROJECT WHERE THEY MIGHT FIT TOGETHER? I BELIEVE I LOOKED WHEN I WAS, I WAS SITTING OVER THERE AND I THINK THE CURRENT CONSTRUCTION TIMEFRAME FOR THE HIGHWAY 70 PROJECT IS 2025.
SO IT WOULD BE, UH, IF NOT, IF THAT'S NOT DONE BEFOREHAND, IT'D BE RIGHT ON LINE WITH ONE ANOTHER.
ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? YEAH, I GUESS ONE.
THIS CHART IS FOR JUST LIKE THE DAILY DAY TO DAY ACTIVITY.
WHAT HAPPENED HAVING TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN IT'S A HOLIDAY OR ANYTHING, SOMETHING SPECIAL GOING ON, HOW THE TRAFFIC GOING GET STOPPED? SO USUALLY WHEN YOU'RE DOING TRAFFIC STUDIES, THEY'RE FOCUSED ON A TYPICAL, A TYPICAL WEEKDAY, UM, AND TYPICAL PEAK PERIODS.
USUALLY YOU'RE NOT FOCUSED ON LIKE ONE-OFF EVENTS OR LIKE YOU SAID, HOLIDAY TIMEFRAMES.
I'M, I'M SURE THERE ARE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE YOU WOULD TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT, BUT USUALLY YOU'RE FOCUSED ON THOSE DAYS WHERE THE MOST TRAFFIC IS GONNA BE ON THE ROADWAY AT ONE TIME.
SORRY, ANOTHER QUESTION IS, UM, I'VE BEEN FORTUNATE ENOUGH NOT TO BE IN WHEN THEY PLACE THIS YET.
UM, WOULD VISITORS FAMILY COMING AND IS THERE ROOM WITHIN THESE UNITS TO ACCOMMODATE THEM? OR WOULD THEY HAVE TO BE STAYING SOMEWHERE OUTSIDE AND COMING AND GONE? SO TYPICALLY WE HAVE ONE OR TWO GUEST APARTMENTS.
UM, SO OTHERWISE THEY WOULD STAY WITH FRIENDS AND FAMILY IN THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE.
HOW WOULD THE DAILY VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, UM, CHANGE FROM IF THE LAND USE CODE INSTEAD OF SENIOR ADULT HOUSING? MULTIFAMILY WAS A NURSING CARE INSTITUTION, IT WAS A NURSING CARE INSTITUTION.
UH, MY GUESS IS THAT DAILY TRAFFIC WOULD PROBABLY DECREASE.
UM, BUT AGAIN, WITHOUT HAVING THAT NUMBER IN FRONT OF ME, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TELL YOU FOR SURE.
WELL, I, I THINK IN THAT CASE THOUGH, THERE WOULD BE MORE STAFF ALSO, SO THAT MIGHT WORK.
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ON HOME OBVIOUSLY NEEDS MORE STAFF SHIFTS.WE DEPEND ON A LOT OF THINGS, SHIFT STRUCTURE, A LOT OF STUFF.
SO DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? OKAY, THANK YOU.
I'M A NORTH CAROLINA CERTIFIED GENERAL REAL ESTATE APPRAISER.
UH, MY COMPANY OF JC MORGAN COMPANY, UH, A LITTLE ABOUT ME, I HOLD THE MAI DESIGNATION, WHICH IS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY APPRAISAL DESIGNATION, HAVE THE SRA DESIGNATION, WHICH IS A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY APPRAISAL DESIGNATION ON THE IGRS, WHICH IS A APPRAISAL REVIEW DESIGNATION.
SO I, I REVIEW APPRAISAL FOR COMPETENCY FOR BANKS, STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA, ET CETERA.
AND I CURRENTLY SERVE ON THE, UH, NORTH CAROLINA APPRAISAL BOARD.
SO I PREPARED A LETTER, UH, WHICH I'LL READ FOR THIS HEARING.
JC MORGAN COMPANY IS A REAL ESTATE APPRAISAL AND CONSULTING FIRM BASED IN WILMINGTON, NORTH CAROLINA SINCE 2010.
OUR FIRM HAS APPRAISED AND CONSULTED ON HUNDREDS OF PROPERTIES IN EASTERN NORTH CAROLINA.
THE PROPERTY TYPE, THE PROPERTY TYPES WE APPRAISE AND PROVIDE CONSULTING SERVICES FOR INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL, RETAIL, OFFICE, MULTIFAMILY, SUBDIVISIONS, MIXED USE AND MORE.
OUR CLIENT BASE CONSISTS OF REAL ESTATE OWNERS, DEVELOPERS, BANKS, LOCAL AND FEDERAL GOVERNANCE ATTORNEYS, UTILITY COMPANIES, AND AIRPORT AUTHORITIES.
SO I WAS RECENTLY ENGAGED BY THE APPLICANT TO PERFORM RESEARCH AND ANALYSIS THAT WOULD ENABLE ME TO CONCLUDE AN OPINION AS TO ITEM THREE OF THE APPLICANT'S SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION.
ITEM THREE STATES THE USE WILL NOT SUBSTANTIALLY REDUCE THE VALUE OF ADJOINING OR BUDDING PROPERTY, OR THAT THE USE IS A PUBLIC NECESSITY TO DE TO DEVELOP AN OPINION FOR THIS REQUIREMENT.
I RESEARCHED SEVERAL COMPARABLE SENIOR LIVING COMMUNITIES IN NORTH CAROLINA AND THE PROPERTIES THAT ADJOIN THEM.
MY ANALYSIS INCLUDED REVIEWING THE SALES HISTORY AND SALES PRICES OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO SENIOR LIVING COMMUNITIES.
THEN COMPARING THAT DATA TO THE SALES HISTORY AND SALES PRICES OF SIMILAR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES IN THE SAME SUBDIVISION OR ON THE SAME STREET THAT WERE NOT ADJACENT TO THOSE SENIOR, TO THOSE SAME SENIOR LIVING COMMUNITIES.
THE SENIOR LIVING COMMUNITIES THAT I REVIEW INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING, CYPRESS GLEN AND GREENVILLE PLANTATION VILLAGE IN WILMINGTON, WOODLAND TERRACE, AND CAREY, THE DAVIS COMMUNITY AND CAROLINA BAY AND WILMINGTON, MORE LOCAL SENIOR LIVING COMMUNITIES WERE ALSO REVIEWED.
HOWEVER, MOST ARE NOT AJ ADJACENT TO ENOUGH PROPERTIES THAT HAVE RECENTLY SOLD FOR ANY MEANINGFUL TYPE OF ANALYSIS TO BE COMPLETED.
BASED ON THE DATA THAT I REVIEWED, THERE'S NO INDICATION THAT BEING LOCATED ADJACENT TO THE PROPOSED SENIOR LIVING COMMUNITY WOULD HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE ADJOINING OR ABUTTING PROPERTY VALUES.
I ALSO REVIEWED HOW THE PROPOSED SENIOR LIVING COMMUNITY WOULD CONFORM WITH THE HARMONY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE GENERAL NEIGHBORHOOD CONSISTS OF VARIOUS TYPES OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, INCLUDING DETACHED ATTACHED AND MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING, A NEW SENIOR LIVING COMMUNITY, A SCHOOL, AND A MULTI-TENANT RETAIL CENTER.
IN FACT, THE MASTER PLAN FOR CAROLINA COLORS INCLUDES SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES, TOWNHOUSES, APARTMENTS OF GOLF COURSE RETAIL, AND A SENIOR LIVING COMMUNITY.
THE PROPOSED FILLET, THE PROPOSED FACILITY IS CERTAINLY HARMONIOUS WITH THESE USES.
THE CAROLINA COLLEGE MASTER PLAN AND THE CITY OF NEWBURN LAND USE PLAN IN CONCLUSION IS DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED SENIOR LIVING COMMUNITY WOULD NOT SUBSTANTIALLY REDUCE THE VALUE OF ADJOINING OR ABUTTING PROPERTIES.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY, THANK YOU.
UH, CHAIRMAN TABAK, WE DO HAVE ONE OTHER WITNESS THAT'S NOT IN THE PACKET THERE THAT WE'D LIKE TO HAVE, UH, COME UP.
HE'S, HE REPRESENTS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY CURRENT.
THERE, THERE'S A FELONY IN THE BACK.
JUST QUICK, JUST VERY QUICK, UH, POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
COULD YOU JUST TELL ME WHAT YOU MEAN BY NOT SUBSTANTIALLY REDUCED? WE'RE WE'RE GONNA GET EVERYBODY TO COME UP AND SPEAK LATER.
YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN HERE WHEN WE GOT STARTED, SO WELL UNDERSTOOD.
IT'S A QUESTION OF CLARIFICATION.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YEAH, YOU'LL GET AN OPPORTUNITY.
AND, AND SINCE WE'VE GOT Y'ALL UP, THE FOLKS THAT CAME IN AFTER THE SIGNUP SHEET, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET YOU SWORN IN BEFORE YOU SPEAK ALSO, SO WE'LL GET YOU GOING.
MR. CHAIRMAN, MY NAME'S KENNETH KIRKMAN.
UH, I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO CONCENTRATE BECAUSE I'M SO JEALOUS OF YOUR HAIR.
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HAIR LIKE THAT AT MY AGE.I AM, MY BACKGROUND IS I'M AN BEEN AN ATTORNEY IN NORTH CAROLINA SINCE 1975, FOCUSED MY PRACTICE PRIMARILY ON ENVIRONMENTAL AND REAL ESTATE LAW.
AND I, DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME, I EVOLVED INTO MANAGEMENT OF REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT.
MY EXPERIENCE STARTED WITH REPRESENTING THE ROOSEVELT FAMILY AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE TOWN OF PINE NORTH SHORES, AND THEN WENT TO MANAGING THE BEACONS REACH DEVELOPMENT IN THE TOWN OF PINE NORTH SHORES.
I LEFT THAT AND TOOK OVER MANAGEMENT OF BALDHEAD ISLAND AND, UH, THE, IN BOTTOM PART OF THE STATE, I LEFT THERE TO, UH, TAKE OVER THE LANDFALL DEVELOPMENT OPERATION IN WILMINGTON.
UM, AND I LEFT THERE AND GOT RECRUITED BY AUER TO DEVELOP THE CAROLINA COLORS COMMUNITY.
SO I SPENT MANY, MANY YEARS IN LARGE EASTERN NORTH CAROLINA RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS.
AND I'M GOING TO, UH, PRIMARILY TALK A BIT FACTUAL AND A BIT, UH, PROFESSIONAL OPINION FACTUALLY, WHEN WE PUT THE LAND USE PLAN FOR CAROLINA COLORS TOGETHER.
20 YEARS AGO, ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANTED TO SEE WAS AN A TO Z RETIREMENT COMMUNITY.
WE THOUGHT THAT WOULD COMPLIMENT THE OTHER USES AND WOULD BE SOMETHING BADLY NEEDED IN THE NEW BERN REGION AS WELL.
WE TRIED VERY HARD FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME TO RECRUIT SUCH A USE.
UM, DAVID SWAIN, WHO IS DEVELOPING THE SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, WAS ABLE TO PROCURE THE VIRIDIAN, WHICH HAS A COUPLE OF SMALL COMPONENTS OF WHAT THIS WILL BE, BUT IS NOT IN ANY WAY SIMILAR IN OPERATION OR CAMPUS LIKE FACILITY.
SO THE RESIDENTS OF CAROLINA COLOR COLORS, PROBABLY AS MUCH AS ANYTHING I'VE HEARD SINCE I STARTED IT 20 YEARS AGO.
WERE ASKING ABOUT HAVING A FACILITY LIKE THIS AND HOW MUCH THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT.
UM, I WOULD SAY THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE RESIDENTS OF CAROLINA COLORS WHO HAVE CONTACTED ME, THAT INCLUDES SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS WHO PREFER THIS NOT TO HAPPEN, BUT THE VAST MAJORITY HAVE EXPRESSED A STRONG OPINION IN FAVOR OF IT.
UM, IN FACT, MANY ARE ASKING HOW THEY CAN MAKE A, A DEPOSIT TO GET IN IT.
UM, IT IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS ABSOLUTELY COMPATIBLE AND CONSISTENT WITH WHAT OUR VISION FOR THIS COMMUNITY HAS BEEN FOREVER, SINCE IT STARTED.
UM, WHEN I WAS APPROACHED BY THE THRIVE MORE PEOPLE AND THEY CAME TO US, I DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T GO TO THEM AND ASK ABOUT THE AVAILABILITY OF THIS LAND.
I WAS THRILLED BOTH FOR THE DEVELOPER'S SAKE AND FOR THE COMMUNITY'S SAKE BECAUSE IT'S MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION THAT THIS USE WILL NOT DETRACT FROM, BUT WILL ENHANCE THE VALUES OF PROPERTIES IN AND AROUND THIS COMMUNITY.
UM, I BELIEVE STRONGLY THAT IF THIS COMMUNITY HAD BEEN DEVELOPED BEFORE THE, THE COMMUNITIES AROUND IT, THAT THE VALUES OF THAT PROPERTY WOULD BE AS GREATER, GREATER THAN THEY ARE TODAY.
UM, AND THERE WOULD BE NO PROBLEM WITH MARKETABILITY.
ALL FOUR SALESPEOPLE IN THE SALES OFFICE ON SITE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT BECAUSE THEY AGREE THAT THIS WILL GREATLY ENHANCE THE VISIBILITY AND MARKETABILITY OF PROPERTIES IN AND AROUND IT.
SO WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT IT ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY.
PROFESSIONALLY, I HAVE COMPLETE CONFIDENCE IT WILL BE PROBABLY BETTER THAN ALTERNATE USES FOR THIS SITE IN TERMS OF THE PEOPLE THAT LOOK AT IT AND LIVE AROUND IT.
AND THEY WILL PROVIDE A VERY, UH, NECESSARY AND USEFUL BENEFIT TO BOTH CAROLINA COLORS AND THE ENTIRE SURROUNDING EASTERN NORTH CAROLINA.
UM, I GOT ONLY HAVE ONE EAR, SO I'M SORRY.
PARDON ME IF I, WELL, I'M FROM BROOKLYN.
MY HEAD WHILE YOU'RE TALKING, I WAS RAISED YELLING OUT THE WINDOWS.
UM, MY QUESTION IS, DO YOU HAVE ANY PLAN? YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY GONNA HAVE A LARGE STAFF OF MANY DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ON TO SUPPORT THESE RESIDENTS.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING IN PLACE OR PLANNED, UM, TO SEEK ADVICE FROM THE, UH, CAROLINA COLORS HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, UH, AND WHERE THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO INTERACT WITH YOUR STAFF TO WHERE THEY SEE, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLE PROBLEMS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH? UH, UH, ADMITTING A CONFLICT, I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE CAROLINA COLORS HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, AND IN THAT CAPACITY, I HAVE BEEN CONTACTED BY PEOPLE FOR AND AGAINST IT.
UM, I THINK THAT, AS I MENTIONED, THAT THE CONTACTS I'VE HAD HAVE BEEN OVERWHELMINGLY
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IN SUPPORT OF IT, UM, WITH THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE EXPRESSED CONCERN HAVE BEEN PRIMARILY PEOPLE ACROSS THE LAKE THAT WILL LOOK AT IT AND THEY HAVE EXPRESSED CONCERNS.BUT I DO NOT ENVISION ANY, UM, CONFLICT WITH THE CAROLINA COLORS ASSOCIATION.
AND CERTAINLY WE WILL, AS AN ASSOCIATION, TALK TO THESE RESIDENTS ABOUT, AND THE EXISTING RESIDENTS ABOUT ANY POSSIBLE COOPERATION THAT COULD EXIST BETWEEN THE TWO.
I MEANT ON, I I DIDN'T MEAN IN THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE, THE WHETHER OR NOT TO DO IT, I MEANT ON AN ONGOING BASIS, YOU KNOW, DAY TO DAY, YEAR TO YEAR, WILL YOU HAVE REGULAR MEETINGS WITH THESE PEOPLE TO ENSURE THAT THOSE WHO DO NOT, DID NOT SUPPORT IT, MAYBE DO HAVE ISSUES AS THINGS GO ALONG, WOULD BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THOSE WITH THE
SO THE, THE, I MEAN, I TRY TO TALK WITH THE COMMERCIAL PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE, THERE NOW I'VE MET REGULARLY WITH THE VERIDIAN PEOPLE AND WITH THE OTHER, UM, UH, OPERATIONS.
WE, AND WE'VE HAD A VERY GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH ALL OF THEM.
AND THIS IS CERTAINLY NOT THAT INTENSIVELY A USE.
I, I WILL, I WANT TO CLARIFY ONE THING THAT WAS SAID EARLIER.
THE TIMEFRAME FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT IS SUCH THAT THEY WON'T BEGIN CONSTRUCTION FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS BETWEEN PERMITTING AND MARKETING, AND THEN IT'LL TAKE ANOTHER COUPLE OF YEARS TO GET IT OCCUPIED.
THE HIGHWAY WORK WILL BE LONG GONE, AND THERE WILL BE NO TRAFFIC BACKUP, THANK GOD AT, UH, THE INTERSECTION WITH HIGHWAY 70.
UM, SO THAT IS A PROBLEM THAT, UH, WILL NOT EXIST.
ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? OKAY.
I WOULD LIKE TO JUST ADD ONE FOOTNOTE.
ON SEPTEMBER 27, WE DID HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WITH A CAROLINA COLORS PEOPLE, AND WE HAD REALLY GOOD TURNOUT, MAYBE 150 PEOPLE.
UM, AND WE WERE ABLE TO SHOW 'EM THE DESIGN, ANSWER THEIR QUESTIONS.
UM, SO WE DID GIVE THEM A REALLY GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO GET TO KNOW US AND, AND TO SHOW 'EM WHAT WE WERE DOING.
UH, CHAIRMAN TAK, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA FINISH OUR, OUR PRESENTATION.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS, UH, RESERVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO ANY KIND OF OPPOSITION THAT THAT'S BROUGHT UP.
UM, I'M GONNA TALK JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, THE, UH, LAST, UM, CRITERIA, WHICH IS WHETHER THE DEVELOPMENT IS GONNA BE IN GENERAL CONFORMITY WITH THE LAND USE PLAN, UH, THOROUGHFARE PLAN, AND OTHER ADOPTED PLANS OF THE CITY.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT IN NORTH CAROLINA, UH, THE LAW BASICALLY STATES THAT IF THE, IF THE LAND USE PLANS INCLUDE A PERMITTED USE IN A ZONING DISTRICT, EVEN WHERE THAT PLANNED USE IS A SPECIAL USE, THEN THAT ESTABLISHES PRIMA CASE THAT THAT USE IS ALLOWED AND THAT THAT USE SHOULD BE DONE AS LONG AS YOU, THE APPLICANT MEETS THE OTHER CRITERIA.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SHOWING YOU TODAY WITH THE TESTIMONY OF, OF THE FOLKS WHO HAVE, UH, PROCEEDED ME AND THEN WITH MYSELF.
UM, IN YOUR PACKET, IN THE, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE, I BELIEVE IT'S STARTS ON PAGE 20.
ON PAGE 20 IS WHERE, UH, THERE ARE, THERE'S INFORMATION ABOUT HOW THIS, UH, PLAN AND HOW THIS PROJECT IS IN CONFORMITY WITH THE LAND USE PLANS, ESPECIALLY, UH, THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.
UM, I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM BECAUSE WE'VE, YOU KNOW, ALREADY SPOKEN FOR QUITE SOME TIME, AND I'M SURE THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE THAT THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
BUT SOME OF THE, UH, THE IMPORTANT ONES ARE THAT WHEN NEW BERN DID ITS LAND USE PLAN BACK IN 2022, IT BASICALLY TOOK A LOOK AT CERTAIN AREAS THAT IT WANTED TO FOCUS ON.
AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THREE FOCUS AREAS.
THIS IS THE US 70 HIGHWAY FOCUS AREA.
THIS PARTICULAR AREA IS ZONED R EIGHT.
AS KENDRICK TOLD YOU EARLIER, THAT ZONING DESIGNATION ALLOWS FOR ALL OF THE PROPOSED USES THAT ARE IN THIS STAGED, UH, PROJECT.
IT ALLOWS FOR MULTI-FAMILY, IT ALLOWS FOR, YOU KNOW, NURSING CARE.
IT ALLOWS FOR ASSISTED CARE, IT ALLOWS FOR INDEPENDENT LIVING, AND IT ALLOWS FOR ALL OF THESE USES.
SOME OF THEM ARE PERMITTED BY RIGHT, THE SINGLE FAMILY, UH, INDEPENDENT LIVING HOMES.
UH, SOME OF THEM ARE WITH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, BUT THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY.
UM, IT MEETS ALL OF THE SUITABILITY REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE SET FORTH IN THE LAND USE PLAN.
THERE'S A SPECIFIC SECTION THAT TALKS ABOUT SUITABILITY REQUIREMENTS.
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THERE ARE NO ENVIRONMENTAL RESTRICTIONS ON THIS PROPERTY THAT WOULD AFFECT IT.UH, THE WATER AND SEWER IS AVAILABLE FROM THE CITY AND, AND WILL BE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, DEVELOPER WILL BE, UH, WORKING WITH THE CITY ON THAT.
UH, IT'S GONNA BE CLOSE TO MAJOR ROADS, INCLUDING THE NEW HIGHWAY 70, UH, INTERSTATE OR 42 INTERSTATE.
UH, IT'S, IT'S CLOSE TO MAJOR EMPLOYERS.
YOU HAVE, UH, CHERRY POINT ON THE ONE SIDE, AND YOU HAVE ALL THE, UH, EMPLOYERS IN NEW BERN ON THE OTHER SIDE.
UH, AND THEN IT'S GOT IT'S CLOSE TO FIRE AND RESCUE, WHICH ARE ALREADY ESTABLISHED OUT IN THAT AREA.
UM, AND THEN IT CONFORMS WITH THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A SERIES, AS YOU ALL KNOW FROM YOUR WORK ON THIS, UH, COMMITTEE THAT THERE IS A, A SERIES OF LAND USE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE WITHIN THAT.
AND, AND IF YOU TURN TO THE, TO PAGE 21, WHAT I'VE DONE IS I'VE, I'VE LOOKED AT ALL OF THOSE AND I'VE SAID HOW THIS, THIS PROJECT COMPLIES WITH THOSE.
THE FIRST ONE WHERE IT SAYS LLUD, THAT'S LAND USE DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN THERE'S DIFFERENT CRITERIA, AND YOU WILL SEE THAT, THAT THIS PROJECT FITS JUST ABOUT ALL OF 'EM.
THE ONES THAT ARE PROBABLY NOT IN THERE ARE THINGS THAT DIDN'T APPLY, UM, TO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
UM, AGAIN, I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH ALL OF THOSE, BUT, BUT THEY'RE THERE FOR YOU.
UM, THE NEXT SECTION IS IF F UH, RECOMMENDATIONS.
THOSE ARE FOR IN, IN INFRASTRUCTURE IS WHAT THAT STANDS FOR.
UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, ONE OF THE, UH, FACTORS IS CAN, UH, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION BE ADDED? RIGHT NOW ALL OF THE CARTS ROUTES ARE DOWNTOWN, BUT YOU COULD HAVE A CART ROUTE THAT GOES OUT TO THE CAROLINA COLORS AND, UH, AND TO BURNA AREA, UH, AND HITS THIS PARTICULAR, UH, COMMUNITY.
AND THEN THEY COULD COME INTO TOWN AND, AND SHOP DOWNTOWN AND THINGS.
UM, THE SITE'S GONNA HAVE WALKING PATHS AND TRAILS AS, UM, YOU KNOW, LUCAS SHAW TALKED, TALKED ABOUT, UH, AND SOME OF THE OTHER FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN UP HERE.
UM, AND THERE'S GONNA BE, BASICALLY THE SITE IS GONNA HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING AS YOU SEE BY THE PLANS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO THE INFRASTRUCTURE HAS BEEN, UH, TALKED ABOUT AND IT'S, AND IT MEETS THE PLANS.
EP IS ENVIRONMENTAL PRESERVATION.
AND IF YOU'LL NOTE ON THE PLANS, ACTUALLY THERE ARE, THERE ARE AREAS WITHIN THE PROJECT WHERE THEY'RE GONNA PRESERVE THE TREES AND THEY'RE GOING TO, UH, THEY'VE GOT THE BUFFER AREAS ALONG THE BLUE LINE STREAMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE PRESERVED BASED ON RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE, YOU KNOW, UH, NORTH CAROLINA.
UM, BUT THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO JUST WITHIN THE INTERNAL PART OF THE SITE, THEY WANT IT TO BE BEAUTIFUL.
THEY WANT IT TO HAVE GOOD LANDSCAPING AND THINGS AND HAVE WALKING TRAILS FOR THE RESIDENTS AND STUFF.
SO THEY'RE GONNA PRESERVE AREAS IN THERE.
THE LAST ONE IS ED, WHICH IS, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IT ACTUALLY, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S IN THIS FOCUS AREA WHICH HAS A SPECIFIC DESIGNATION WITHIN IT OF AN OPPORTUNITY ZONE.
AND THAT OPPORTUNITY ZONE IS DESIGNED TO, UH, BE DEVELOPED INTO COMMERCIAL AREA.
AND THAT IS ESSENTIALLY AROUND THE HARRIS TEETER AND WHERE THE VIRIDIAN IS IN, IN PLACE LIKE THAT.
IT'S JUST TO THE SIDE OF WHERE THIS COMMUNITY WOULD BE.
THIS, I MEAN, I CAN'T THINK OF A BETTER PLACE FOR THIS COMMUNITY.
'CAUSE PEOPLE CAN RIDE THEIR BIKE IF, YOU KNOW, OR WALK TO THE HARRIS TEETER IF THEY WANTED TO FROM THEIR INDEPENDENT LIVING HOUSE OR FROM THEIR, UH, YOU KNOW, SHOP, UM, FROM THE MULTIFAMILY HOUSE.
BUT A LOT OF THE SERVICES THAT THEY WILL NEED WILL BE RIGHT THERE ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, SO AGAIN, I'VE GONE THROUGH ALL OF THOSE AND, AND, UH, BASICALLY SAID HOW IT IS, IT DOES CONFORM WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN BECAUSE IT IS WITHIN THAT OPPORTUNITY ZONE AND IT'S WITHIN THE FOCUS AREA, UH, THAT NEW BERN IS PLANNING ON.
AND THEN THE LAST, UH, DIAGRAM I HAVE THERE IS THE, UH, CIRCULAR AREA THAT IS DESIGNATED AS THAT OPPORTUNITY ZONE, AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THAT IS IN RELATION TO THE PROPERTY.
UM, AGAIN, WE'D LIKE TO RESERVE TIME TO COME UP, UH, AND SPEAK, UH, AFTER THE OPPOSITION, UH, SPEAKS, IF ANYBODY SPEAKS IN OPPOSITION AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY KIND OF QUESTIONS, UH, THAT YOU ALL HAVE, UH, ABOUT THE PROJECT.
UH, THAT'S GONNA CONCLUDE OUR INITIAL PRESENTATION.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THAT THESE MATERIALS BE ADDED TO THE RECORD.
DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS BY THE BOARD? I I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.
WILL THE INDEPENDENT LIVING APARTMENTS OR ANYWHERE IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROVIDE, UM, WILL THEY BE PROVIDING ANY TYPE OF SKILLED NURSING CARE OR MEDICAL SUPERVISION IN THE INDEPENDENT LIVING PART? I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THINK THIS IS A STAGE COMMUNITY.
SO YOU GO FROM THE INDEPENDENT LIVING WHERE YOU DON'T NEED THAT TYPE OF CARE.
AND THEN THERE'S AN ACTUAL HEALTHCARE, UH, A STEP PART OF IT WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY RECEIVE, YOU KNOW, UH, PHYSICAL THERAPY,
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YOU CAN RECEIVE MEDICAL TREATMENT, THAT KIND OF THING.WHICH WILL ALL BE WITHIN THE PROPOSED USE WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT.
ALL IN THAT DEVELOPMENT IN DIFFERENT BUILDINGS.
UH, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY COTTAGES AND THEN THE BIGGER BUILDINGS THAT ARE GONNA HAVE THE APARTMENT LIVING PLUS THE MEDICAL FACILITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, AND WHAT IS DO, DO YOU KNOW FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY, UH, UNITS, WHAT THE LOT SIZES WILL BE FOR THAT? THINK THEY HAVE A LOT DO, THIS IS ALL ONE, ONE CONTIGUOUS CAMPUS, SO THERE'S NO INDIVIDUAL LOCKS BETWEEN, IT'S MORE OF A, IT, IT IS MORE OF LIKE A CONDO KIND OF SET UP WHERE THEY, THEY'RE LIVING IN THE HOME, UH, BUT THE GROUNDS AND EVERYTHING AROUND THE HOME ARE MAINTAINED BY THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, BY THE, UH, THREATEN.
ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? YES, MR. UH, YES.
I HAVE ONE FOR ONE OF THE OTHER GENTLEMAN, REALLY, I THINK, UH, WHO'S MORE EXPERIENCED IN RUNNING THESE PLACES WOULD THE, THESE RESIDENTS IN THE INDEPENDENT LIVING OR ASSISTED LIVING SECTION, THEY WOULD STILL BE ELIGIBLE FOR, UH, NURSING CARE VISITS UNDER MEDICARE AND MEDICAID, SO ON AND SO FORTH, IF THEY'RE ELIGIBLE, RIGHT? YES.
SO, UM, IF, IF THERE'S A HEALTH ISSUE AND THEY END UP IN THE HOSPITAL, MANY TIMES THEY'LL QUALIFY FOR MEDICARE SUPPORT BACK IN OUR COMMUNITY.
SO IT'S SHORT TERM REHAB AND, AND WE WOULD PROVIDE THAT ON CAMPUS AND POSSIBLY HOSPICE AND HOME AND THOSE THINGS.
YEAH, WE WOULD CONTRACT ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? OKAY.
I THINK MR. REMINGTON, THE APPLICANT HAVE ASKED IF THE BINDERS THAT HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED TO YOU ALL WITH THE FOUR TABS CONTAINING THE PRESENTATION AND THE RESUMES AND OF THE INFORMATION BE INCLUDED IN THE RECORD, IF WE COULD JUST NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT YOU HAVE RECEIVED THAT INFORMATION AND ARE INCLUDING IT IN THE RECORD, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
UM, DO WE NEED TO DO ANY VOTE OR NO, SIR.
NOTED THAT IT'S THAT FOR THE RECORD RECEIVED AND AS RECORD, THANK YOU CHAIR.
AND ALSO, MR. CHAIR, IF YOU'RE TRANSITIONING NOW TO PUBLIC COMMENTS, YOU MIGHT BEGIN WITH INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE NOTIFIED AT THIS MEETING, MEANING THEY RECEIVED A LETTER IN THE MAIL, UM, THEIR PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE, BEGIN WITH THOSE INDIVIDUALS AND THEN PROCEED AS YOU SEE THERE.
AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO ALSO AS WE GET STARTED, I KNOW THERE WAS AT LEAST FOUR PEOPLE THAT CAME IN AFTER WE DID THE ORIGINAL, UH, SWEARING IN.
SO IF SOME OF THOSE FOUR PEOPLE OR ALL ARE GOING TO, UH, SPEAK, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS GET YOU SWORN IN NOW SO I DON'T HAVE TO TRY TO KEEP TRACK OF WHO CAME IN AND WHO DIDN'T AND WHO SIGNED UP AND WHO DIDN'T.
SO IF YOU WOULD, WHILE THEY'RE SIGNING IN, I'D LIKE TO, FOR THE RECORD, MAKE ONE CLARIFICATION.
THE NOTICE THAT WAS SENT OUT BY THE CITY INCLUDED THE ENTIRE TAX PARCEL, WHICH INCLUDED FAR MORE LAND THAN IS ACTUALLY PART OF THIS APPLICATION.
AND IT INCLUDED CAROLINA LAKE.
I TALKED TO SCOTT DAVIS ABOUT IT AT LENGTH.
HE DECIDED YOU DIDN'T NEED TO RE NOTICE BECAUSE YOU WERE NOTIFYING TOO MANY PEOPLE AS OPPOSED TO NOT ENOUGH, BUT JUST BE AWARE OF THE NOTIF NOTIFICATION WAS SENT OUT TO FAR MORE PEOPLE THAN WERE REQUIRED TO RECEIVE IT.
YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT, KENNEDY.
YEAH, I GUESS THAT'S GOOD FOR US TO GET MORE COMMENT.
THE REQUIREMENTS I THINK IS FOR EVERYBODY WHO'S IS WITHIN 100 FEET, BUT THAT WOULD'VE DEFINITELY MET, IS THAT RIGHT? BUT THE MAP SHOWED THE PROPERTY THAT'S WAY AWAY FROM THIS.
I'M NOT SAYING IT WASN'T MORE, BUT, BUT AT LEAST THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENT YEAH.
WAS MATCHED WAY EXCEEDED THE STATUTORY.
NO, I SEE COPIES OF LETTERS AND, AND ALSO, MR. CHAIR, JUST AS A POINT TO BE HELPFUL, UM, THIS IS A HEARING WHERE PEOPLE CAN PRESENT EVIDENCE.
SO IF INDIVIDUALS HAVE COMMENTS OR EVIDENCE THAT THEY WANT TO OFFER, THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE APPROPRIATE.
INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE QUESTIONS, UM, YOU CAN DEAL WITH THAT IN YOUR DISCRETION, BUT THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO RECEIVE EVIDENCE FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
AND I THINK WHAT I'D ALSO LIKE TO TRY TO DO ONCE YOU GET THE SWEARING IN PART TAKEN CARE OF HERE IN JUST A SECOND, IF Y'ALL WOULD COME UP AND GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND ASK THE QUESTIONS AND TRY TO STAY ORDERLY WITH IT.
WE'LL TRY TO ADDRESS ALL THE QUESTIONS AFTER EVERYBODY COMES UP AND NOT TRY TO DO ONE QUESTION, ONE ADDRESS, ONE QUESTION, RUN ADDRESS.
OTHERWISE, IT'S GONNA BE VERY TIMELY GETTING PEOPLE TO STAND UP AND SIT DOWN.
SO PLEASE TRY TO COME FORWARD, WE'LL GO THROUGH ALL THE FOLKS THAT, UM, WE'LL USE THE WORD ARE AGAINST FIRST, AND THAT'LL GIVE THE FOLKS, UH, THAT DID THE PRESENTATION TIME TO DO THE REBUTTAL, AND THEN WE'LL DO THE ONES FOR, AND WE'LL TRY TO KEEP IT ALL ORDERLY IN THAT MANNER.
SO AGAIN, THE THE ONES THAT WE HAD THAT, UM, CAME IN LATE, UM, DID EVERYBODY SIGN IN AND ANYBODY WANT TO SPEAK OF THOSE FOLKS? OKAY.
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BACK, RIGHT.SO WE CAN GET YOUR HAND UP AND GET YOU SWORN IN HERE.
DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO.
UM, SO YEAH, UM, WE'LL START IN THE FRONT ROW, I GUESS GUESS.
I LIVE AT 34 45 OLD AIRPORT ROAD.
I'VE LIVED THERE FOR 35 YEARS.
UH, MY DAD WAS, MICKEY HEARN DIED IN 2001.
IT WAS THE OLD BREAK FARM FROM WEYERHAEUSER IN THE LATE SEVENTIES.
MY MOM STILL LIVES THERE FOR 50 YEARS.
MY DAD WAS KIND ENOUGH TO GIVE EACH OF HIS THREE SONS A PARCEL ON THAT PROPERTY, ON THAT FARM.
AND HE SOLD, HE SOLD LOTS TO LINDA POVICH AND PETER RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET WILL, BUT BUTT RIGHT UP TO THIS NEW, UH, PROPERTY THING THAT'S GOING ON.
UM, AND SO I'M BORN AND RAISED RIGHT HERE IN NEWBURG, NORTH CAROLINA.
I'M VERY MUCH INVESTED IN THIS COMMUNITY.
UH, HEARD A LOT OF EXPERTS UP HERE.
I I DIDN'T, I REALLY DIDN'T LIKE THE WAY, THE TONE OF THE LETTER THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA LISTEN TO ANYBODY, BUT WHAT THE EXPERTS HAVE TO SAY.
I'M COMING FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT ABOUT WHAT IT ACTUALLY IS TO LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY AND TO EXPERIENCE THE TRAFFIC AND THE SUBSTANTIAL, HEY, IF THIS THING'S GOING UP AND I DON'T WANNA MISS THERE.
EXCUSE ME, SIR, CAN YOU DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS TO THE BOARD? OKAY.
THERE'S A HEARING THAT WE'RE TAKING IN YOUR EVIDENCE.
YOU CAN LOOK TO THE WHOLE BOARD, BUT IT'S TO US PLEASE.
I'M A SCHOOL TEACHER AND A PREACHER AND A GRASS COOK.
UH, BUT ANYWAY, I, I'VE LIVED OUT THERE MYSELF.
WE'VE RAISED TWO SONS OUT THERE FOR 40 YEARS.
I, I'VE SEEN THINGS HAPPEN OVER THE LAST SEVERAL DECADES THAT I COULDN'T BELIEVE HAPPENED.
THE TWO MAIN ROUTES TO AND FROM THE CITY OF NEW BERN OR HAVELOCK.
IF WE WANT TO GO TO NEW BERN OR IF WE WANT TO GO TO HAVELOCK, THOSE ROADS, OLD AIRPORT ROAD, THE SACRIFICE TO VERNA.
I WAS THERE BEFORE VERNA CAROLINA COLORS.
THIS THING WAS ALL ABOUT CAROLINA COLORS.
THERE ARE SOME OF US HERE THAT DON'T LIVE IN CAROLINA COLORS AND WE LIVE VERY CLOSE TO WHERE THIS IS GOING TO BE HAPPENING.
WILCOX ROAD AND, AND OUR, OUR FRIENDS JUST UP THE ROAD ON WILCOX, RIDE BICYCLES TO SEE THE MANS NO LONGER AVAILABLE.
IN FACT, WHEN I GO TO CAROLINA COLORS AND I STEP FOOT ON THE PROPERTY, I'VE BEEN TOLD, UNLESS YOU'RE A MEMBER HERE, UNLESS YOU LIVE HERE, YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS HERE AND YOU HAVE TO LEAVE.
AND SO THAT'S NOT TOO VERY FRIENDLY.
MY FRONT YARD HAS BEEN RIPPED UP SO MANY TIMES TO PUT LINES AND CABLES AND WATER AND SEWER.
AND THE CITY HAS ALWAYS SAID, WE'RE GOING TO PUT THIS RIGHT BACK THE WAY WE FOUND IT.
YOU WILL ARGUE FOR HOW THAT THERE'S GONNA BE NO IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES AND ALL THAT.
BUT YOU'RE TALKING TO SOMEONE WHO HAS LIVED IT, WHO HAS EXPERIENCED IT.
I'VE HAD TO PUT IT BACK IN PLACE.
I'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH THE, WITH THE TRAFFIC CAROLINA COLORS, FOR EXAMPLE.
MY MOM HAS FIVE ACRES OUT THERE.
MY DAD BOUGHT IT, UH, FROM SOMEONE OVER THERE ON FURMAN ROAD.
FIVE ACRES THAT BUTTS UP IS OVER ACROSS THE STREET FROM HARRIS TEETER, CAROLINA COLORS, CAME IN AND BUILT A BERM AROUND THE WHOLE PROPERTY, FLOODED THE PROPERTY, KILLED ALL THE TIMBER ON THE PROPERTY.
THEY HAVE BEEN, AT LEAST THE DEVELOPERS, UH, TO US.
REMEMBER LISTENING TO MS. OFIELD, THE POOR LITTLE LADY ON THE OTHER, UH, STREET DOWN WILCOX AND HOW THE CAROLINE COLORS IMPACTED HER.
LEMME TELL YOU SOMETHING I SHOWED YOU, TIM, I SHOWED YOU, I BROUGHT YOU UP TO LEE'S RANCH.
YOU GUYS KEEP TALKING ABOUT LEE'S BRANCH.
I'VE, IT FLOWS RIGHT BESIDE MY HOUSE.
I'VE SEEN IT BRIGHT GREEN FROM THE CHEMICALS, FROM THE GOLF MAINTENANCE, UH, PEOPLE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'VE DUMPED IT IN THERE, BUT THEY'VE DUMPED IT BRIGHT GREEN THAT LEE'S BRANCH ENVIRONMENTAL EXPERTS TAKE NOTES.
THIS PAST SATURDAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS PAST SATURDAY, I, HERE'S MY TURN, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS PAST SATURDAY, MY WIFE AND I WANNA WASTE THE DUMP.
THERE'S AN ISSUE WE NEED TO DEAL WITH.
I THINK THE TESTIMONY HAS BEEN THAT THERE'S SOME COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THIS WITNESS AND YOURSELF.
WE NEED TO UNPACK THAT TO DETERMINE IF THERE'S ANY TYPE OF CONFLICT.
I'M JUST TELLING HE'S A VAPOR OF MINE.
AND I HAVE, I I SHOWED HIM ONE TIME OR MAYBE I SHOWED HIM A PICTURE.
I DON'T KNOW, TIM, IF YOU EVEN NOT GOTTA SEE IT, BUT I REMEMBER TRYING TO BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION ONE TIME JUST JUST FOR THE RECORD SO WE CAN DEAL WITH YES.
THAT, THAT ISSUE FIRST IF WE CAN NOTE, MR. UM, WELL, MR. REMINGTON'S OBJECTION.
AND TO JUST UNPACK THIS A LITTLE BIT, UH, YOU AND THE CHAIRMAN ARE NEIGHBORS, CORRECT? WE'RE NEIGHBORS.
AND HAVE, WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT TAKING HIM OUT TO LEE'S BRANCH RIGHT ON THE ROAD, RIGHT ON THE
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ROAD, IT'S RIGHT THERE.PLACE WHERE EVERYBODY'S AND HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU DONE THAT IN RELATION TO THIS APPLICATION? NO.
HAVE YOU SPOKEN? IT'S JUST THE IMPACT OF THE CAROLINA COLORS.
I HAVE NEVER COME AND TALKED TO YOU ALL THIS STUFF.
IT JUST HAPPENS AND I'VE JUST DEALT WITH, RIGHT.
WE JUST, WE'VE SPOKE TO MY NEIGHBORS AND I LIKE THESE PEOPLE.
WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE FOR THE RECORD THAT WE APPROPRIATELY ADDRESSED THE ISSUE.
HAVE YOU SPOKEN WITH THE CHAIRMAN AT ALL REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION? NOT, I DIDN'T KNOW HE WAS HERE.
I HAD NO CLUE HE WAS GONNA BE HERE.
ALRIGHT, MR. REMINGTON, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA ADD ON THAT ISSUE? NOT ON THAT ISSUE, BUT I HAVE ANOTHER OBJECTION.
YOU HAVE ANOTHER OBJECTION? YES.
I MEAN, ON THAT ISSUE, I, I THINK WE'RE FINE, BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS IS NOT RELATING TO THIS PROJECT.
DRIVING IS NOT CAROLINA COLORS.
THEY, THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT LEE'S BRANCH.
THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT BEING RIGHT ON LEE'S BRANCH AND BUDDING UP TO IT.
IMPACTS ARE IMPACTS THE, THE CHALLENGE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE UP TO NOW IS THEY'RE, THEY'RE ADDRESSING A POTENTIAL CONFLICT INTEREST 'CAUSE WE ARE NEIGHBORS.
AND THEN TWO, WE'RE ALSO ADDRESSING THE TESTIMONY FOR THE PARTICULAR PROJECT IS.
SO LET'S, OKAY, LET'S LET THEM KIND OF GET THROUGH THIS AND WE'LL, OKAY, WELL LET IT, LET IT SLOW.
NO, I DON'T WANNA FORGET ABOUT IT, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE GET EVERYTHING DONE PROPERLY SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY HICCUPS.
I I THINK WE'VE MOVED PAST THE CONFLICT.
I THINK THE OTHER OBJECTION IS JUST THE RELEVANCY OF THE TESTIMONY AS IT RELATES TO THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION AND THIS PARTICULAR, UM, PROPERTY AND THE USE.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT AND, AND ALSO THAT, UH, HE'S SPEAKING TO TRAFFIC AND ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT AND UNDER NORTH CAROLINA LAW CASES.
SO IT, IT IS JUST THE, THE OBJECTION IS THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE A PROPER FOUNDATION.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S NOTED I THINK, AND CHAIR, I'LL LET YOU JUMP IN.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAD THE CLEAR RECORDS SO YOU CAN CONTINUE WITH YOUR TESTIMONY.
THIS, THIS PROPERTY, THIS PROPERTY, THIS PROPERTY, THAT, THAT THIS THING THAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO DO COMES RIGHT UP TO THIS LADY AND HE, SHE WALKED, HE AND HER HUSBAND BOUGHT PROPERTY FROM MY DAD AND COME RIGHT IN THEIR BACKYARD.
I SAW SATURDAY I SAW A, THE MOST BEAUTIFUL 10 POINT BUCK I HAVE EVER.
LIKE THAT CAME FROM HER YARD TO THE NEIGHBOR'S YARD.
GUESS WHERE THAT TALK ABOUT ENVI, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, GUESS WHERE THAT BUG LIVES? AND AS FOREST AS THAT, Y'ALL ARE ABOUT TO TEAR DOWN AGAIN, I I DON'T HAVE TO TO BE AN EXPERT TO RELATE TO FACTS OF WHAT I'VE SEEN WITH MINE ON EYES.
I WANT, DO WE ALSO, WOW, MY COMMENT WAS MR. CHAIR, THAT ANY SPEAKERS NEED TO ADDRESS THEIR COMMENTS TO THE BOARD, NOT TO ANY OTHER ENTITIES PRESENT IN THE ROOM.
SO WHAT, I GUESS WHERE WE'RE GOING? LET'S, LET'S TRY, LEMME SAY THAT I, I GOT ONE LAST THING TO SAY.
A LOT OF US ARE THE BACKBONE OF THIS COMMUNITY.
I'M ABOUT TO SEND A, A CHECK FOR MY, MY HOME TAXES FOR MY HOUSE PROPERTY.
AND YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A STAKE IN THE DECISION THAT YOU ALL ARE ABOUT TO MAKE THAT'S GONNA REALLY IMPACT US.
YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, SAY WHAT THEY WILL, IT'S GONNA IMPACT US IN A HUGE WAY, IN SUCH A WAY THAT SOME OF US MAY JUST NOT WANNA LIVE WHERE WE LIVE REGARDLESS OF THE SUBSTANTIAL WHATEVER OF THE SUB SUBSTANTIAL OR NONS SUBSTANTIAL EFFECT UPON THE, THE REAL ESTATE.
AND I'M GONNA ASK YOU GUYS THIS QUESTION BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT I'VE SEEN.
THIS IS WHAT I'VE EXPERIENCED IS THAT THESE THINGS, THESE GOLF COURSES THAT HAVE POPPED UP AND THESE ROADS THAT HAVE BEEN DESTROYED, DECISIONS HAVE BEEN MADE.
WE REALLY NEED PEOPLE WHO GOVERN FOR THE PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY HERE, WHO ARE ALREADY PAYING TAXES.
WE DON'T NEED PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA GOVERN IN SPITE OF US.
WHO ARE YOU GONNA BE? THAT'S MY QUESTION.
WHO ARE YOU GONNA BE? THIS IS REALLY GONNA IMPACT US.
DO WE HAVE ANOTHER NEXT PERSON TO COME UP TO SPEAK? GOOD EVENING LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
AND, AND AS WE GO THROUGH, PLEASE TRY TO ADDRESS SPECIFIC TOPICS LIKE YES SIR.
THANK DISTINGUISHED BOARD MEMBERS, UM, DISTINGUISHED GUESTS.
I LIVE AT 4 0 0 6 TYLER RYAN TRAIL IN NEW BERN.
I SEE YOU WALK YOUR DOG THERE QUITE A BIT.
UM, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS THAT I HOPE ARE ADDRESSED AND I DON'T WANT TO BE OUT OF WATER OR WHATEVER.
UM, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS HOW MANY LEVELS IS THE HIGHEST BUILDING GOING TO BE? UM, I HEARD REFERENCE TO, WE HAVEN'T DECIDED THAT YET, BUT
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POSSIBLY IN THE FUTURE.NOW I WANT TO KNOW NOW 'CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GO OUT IN MY BACKYARD IN FOUR YEARS AND LOOK UP AT A STRUCTURE IN MY BACKYARD.
THE BUILDER THAT I BOUGHT THE HOUSE FROM PROBABLY DIDN'T KNOW AT THE TIME, BUT HE SAID TO ME, NOBODY CAN BUILD BACK THERE BECAUSE IT'S WETLANDS.
UM, ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS PUT OUT FLYERS.
I JUST LEARNED ABOUT THIS A COUPLE DAYS AGO.
SO IT'S BEEN A CRASH COURSE, A LOT OF HOURS TRYING TO FIGURE THINGS OUT.
I'VE ONLY BEEN IN NEW BERN A YEAR AND A HALF.
UM, AND CAN ONLY SPEAK TO A FEW THINGS.
THE DRAINAGE, YOU CAN GO ON THE STATE WEBSITE.
IF YOU PUT THE CURSOR IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SAID DEVELOPMENT, THE ELEVATION'S 22 FEET, THE ELEVATION AT THE CREEK LEES BRANCH IS APPROXIMATELY 11 FEET.
SO WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE RUNOFF, AS MY NEIGHBOR SAID, THAT ENDS UP IN LEE'S BRANCH, WHICH DUMPS INTO BRYCE'S CREEK.
AGAIN, I'M NOT AN ES EXPERT, BUT I HOPE THAT COMMON SENSE DICTATES WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND I APPLAUD YOU, SIR, TO YOUR COMPANY AND WHAT YOU DO.
MY MOM'S NOT THREE AND HAD DEMENTIA, SO I APPLAUD YOUR CONCEPT IN THE COMPANY'S MISSION AS TO WHAT YOU WANNA DO AS YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SIGNING.
MR. CHAIR AGAIN, JUST FOR ALL THE P FOR ALL THE I KNOW AND I JUST WANT TO THANK HIM FOR NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
JUST FOR THE, THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS A HEARING THAT WE TAKE EVIDENCE AND YOUR TESTIMONY IS WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING.
ALL COMMENTS DIRECTED TO THE BOARD.
I JUST WANTED TO NO APOLOGY NECESSARY.
SO, UM, AS FAR AS TRAFFIC PATTERNS GO, UM, THE GENTLEMAN WAS UP HERE EARLIER.
I I DON'T REMEMBER HIS, RECALL HIS NAME.
UM, HE USED A HANG ON ONE SECOND GENTLEMAN BECAUSE HAVE FOUNDATION THERE? YES SIR.
DO YOU LIVE THERE, MR. CHAIR? I THINK IT'D BE, BE APPROPRIATE FOR, I I LIVE THERE.
I DRIVE THE MR. CHAIR ALL TIME.
IT'S A HANG HANG ON, HANG, HANG ON ONE SECOND.
YOU, YOU SAID, CAN I SPEAK THERE? YOU JUST SAID THE VIDEO, YOU'RE NOT AN EXPERT.
AND YOU CAN'T CALL MR. MR CHAIR.
THERE'S AN, AN OBJECTION RAISED BY MR. REMINGTON.
AS TO A LAY WITNESS PROVIDING TESTIMONY AS TO TRAFFIC IMPACTS.
THERE IS CASE LAW THAT INDICATES WHAT IS COMPETENT EVIDENCE AND WHAT IS NOT.
I'M, HOWEVER, IF YOU ALL ARE INCLINED TO HEAR LAY TESTIMONY ON THE ISSUE OF TRAFFIC, YOU THEN DURING YOUR DELIBERATIONS WILL NEED TO DETERMINE WHETHER THAT INFORMATION IS COMPETENT EVIDENCE AND WHETHER IT, WHETHER IT SHIFTS THE BALANCE OR PRESUMPTION THAT YOU ALL NEED TO CONSIDER TONIGHT.
SO I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO NOTE MR. REMINGTON'S OBJECTION TO THE LATE TESTIMONY, UM, ON THIS ISSUE.
AND IF YOU ARE INCLINED, YOU CAN, CAN ALLOW THE GENTLEMAN TO CONCLUDE HIS COMMENTS.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO SPEAK THROUGH THAT WAS JUST A PRECLUDE I'LL SPEED IT UP.
THAT WAS, YOU'RE THAT WAS JUST A PRECLUDE OF WHAT THE QUESTIONS I WANT TO PROPOSE TO YOU AS THE BOARD TO ANSWER AND LET, LEMME TAKE ONE OTHER SECOND SINCE WE'RE GONNA THE BOARD DO ALL UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT AS FAR AS WHAT'S TESTIMONY AND WHAT'S OPINION I GUESS IN A WAY AND WHAT'S AN EXPERT? I I I THINK THE ISSUE AND JUST SO EVERYONE IS AWARE, NORTH CAROLINA LAW REQUIRES THAT WHEN IT COMES TO ISSUES OF TRAFFIC AS WELL AS THE, UH, ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THE SURROUNDING PARCELS, THAT THOSE TWO PIECES OF, UH, THOSE TWO ASPECTS OF WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO CONSIDER ONLY AN EXPERT CAN OPINE ON.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHY WE KEEP HEARING THESE OBJECTIONS.
I BELIEVE IT IS IN THIS BOARD'S INTEREST TO, UM, NOTE THE OBJECTION.
AND I THINK IT CAN BE A CONTINUING OBJECTION AS TO THOSE TWO PIECES SO THAT WE CAN GET THROUGH ALL OF THE SPEAKERS, ALLOW EACH SPEAKER TO DO YOUR TESTIMONY JUST AS WRITTEN AND JUST AS PRESENTED AND LET YOU TELL US YOUR, YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOUR OPINION.
BUT WHEN WE DELIBERATE WE WILL HAVE TO YES, UH, DISCUSS THAT OPINION AND THE LACK OF A FOUNDATION FOR IT BEING AN EXPERT OPINION.
I WASN'T EXACTLY CERTAIN WHEN I CAME IN WHAT THE GROUND RULES WERE GOING TO BE AND JUST ONE MR. TON.
YEAH, AND I'M FINE WITH, UH, NOTING CONTINUING OBJECTION TO THAT.
I DON'T WANT LIMIT IT TO JUST, UH, IMPACT VALUE AND THE UM, AND THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS BECAUSE IT'S ANY, UH, THING THAT REQUIRED EXPERT OPINION A AS WELL AS ANYTHING THAT REQUIRES AN EXPERT OPINION UNDER NORTH CAROLINA LAW.
MAY I ASK? I THINK THAT'S A CONTINUING OBJECTION.
CAN THE BOARD IS, IS THE BOARD IN MAKING THIS DECISION, CAN THE BOARD CONSULT WITH A PROFESSIONAL? 'CAUSE I'M NOT A PROFESSIONAL, THE BOARD CAN, SO IF I BRING UP A QUESTION, ARE THEY ABLE TO SAY, OKAY, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
WE'LL WE'LL CONSULT WITH SOMEBODY AND MAKE OUR DECISION.
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CONSIDER THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED IN TESTIMONY TONIGHT AND THE EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD.SO THE GENTLEMAN COMPARED NATIONAL STANDARDS WHEN DOING THE TRAFFIC STUDY FOR IN AND AROUND THE AREA.
MY SIMPLE QUESTION TO HIM OR TO THE BOARD WOULD BE DID HE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE 120 RESIDENTS THAT ARE NOW GOING IN NORTH OF LANDSCAPE RIGHT ACROSS FROM THIS FACILITY? DID HE ALSO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE 800 TO A THOUSAND HOMES THAT ARE BEING BUILT IN BLUE WATER RISE TWO MILES DOWN AIRPORT ROAD AND THE ONLY WAY TO GET OUT OF THERE IS UP AIRPORT RIGHT PAST THIS DEVELOPMENT? WERE THOSE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION? SO IF THOSE FOLKS WANT TO GO TO HARRIS TEETER, GUESS WHERE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO? SORRY, THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION.
AND SO WHAT WHAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO IS ONCE EVERYBODY FINISHES, THEY WILL ADDRESS EXACTLY THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU'VE ASKED TO WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE HOW THAT UH, PRESENTATION WAS PUT TOGETHER.
UM OKAY THAT WAS DONE BY THE PROFESSIONAL AND FIND UM, AND AGAIN FIND OUT, I HAVE MAINLY QUESTIONS 'CAUSE I WANT TO KEEP IT PROFESSIONAL AND THAT'S WHAT WE'D LIKE.
THE ADDRESS OF THE DEVELOPMENT WAS LISTED AS BEING ON OLD AIRPORT ROAD.
I DON'T EVEN SEE THAT THIS PROPERTY, A BUTT'S OLD AIRPORT ROAD AND THE ENTRANCE TO THE FACILITY IS GONNA BE ON LANDSCAPE.
AND WE'LL WE COULD ADDRESS THAT ALSO.
UM, YEAH I CAN, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT.
SO IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CRAVEN COUNTY TAX RECORDS, THAT'S THE ADDRESS THAT'S LISTED.
SO WHEN I'M PREPARING THESE MATERIALS, I HAVE TO GO IN ACCORDANCE TO WHAT'S ON THE CRAVEN COUNTY TAX RECORDS.
IT VERY WELL COULD BE A MISTAKE.
UM, I HAD A PREVIOUS QUESTION FROM ANOTHER GENTLEMAN WHO HAD EXPLAINED SOMETHING SIMILAR, BUT AT THAT TIME, BASED ON WHAT PERRY COUNTY TAX RECORDS PRESENTS, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO GO OFF OF.
IS THAT GONNA BE CORRECTED? I'M JUST CURIOUS IF IT'S GONNA BE CORRECT.
JUST A QUESTION THAT, THAT PART I CAN'T ANSWER.
I CAN SAY AS A PERSON THAT DOES FORESTRY WORK, UH, FROM TIME TO TIME, AND THAT'S WHAT I RETIRED FROM, THAT HAPPENS WITH LAND RECORDS WHEN THERE'S A A A TRACK OF LAND THAT'S BIG AND HOW MR. HEARN DESCRIBED IT, THE PARCEL WAS SPLIT UP.
YES, THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL POTENTIALLY DEEDED AND THAT'S WHERE IT'S ADDRESS WAS.
AND SO FOR ALL THESE YEARS, CRAVEN COUNTY HAS DECIDED TO LEAVE THAT ADDRESS.
IT HAPPENS REGULARLY ALL OVER THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA AND OTHER STATES ALSO.
THAT'S AN OPINION THAT I'VE GRANTED AND MAYBE THEY CAN A ADDRESS THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS, SO I'LL MAKE THIS SHORT AND SWEET.
I JUST HAVE A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS AND I'LL LEAVE THE PODIUM.
UM, WE USED NATIONAL STANDARDS TO APPLY TO THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS AND THE CHANGE IN THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS.
WE USED OTHER LOCATIONS FOR THE IMPACTS FOR THE REAL ESTATE AND VALUES HAVE THE OTHER LOCATIONS THAT THRIVE MORE OWNS HAVE WE DONE STUDIES IN AND AROUND THEM FOR ECONOMIC IMPACT, TRAFFICKED IMPACT PROPERTY VALUES AROUND THOSE LOCATIONS? IT'S APPLES AND APPLES.
WE'RE NOT TAKING A NATIONAL STANDARD FROM MONTANA THAT MIGHT HAVE INPUT RATHER THAN NEWBURN OR OTHER PARTS OF NORTH CAROLINA.
UM, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE CITY WATER AND SEWER AND SO FORTH.
ANYWAY, I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN, AND MAYBE KENDRICK CAN ANSWER TO THAT AGAIN, ALSO.
I WOULD JUST PROBABLY HOLD THAT BE, I THINK IT PROBABLY CONFIRM.
ARE THERE GONNA BE HYDRANTS THERE IN CASE I FOR EMERGENCY PURPOSES IN THE DEVELOPMENT IN CASE THERE'S A FIRE.
SO A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS, SIR, THEY GET ANSWERED IN OUR DEPARTMENTAL REVIEW, UH, COMMITTEE THAT IT'S A PROCESS THAT THIS APPLICANT ALSO HAS EXPERIENCE.
UM, I CAN'T SPEAK TO DIFFERENCES OF, UH, CERTAIN EXPERTS LIKE FIRE DEPARTMENTS OR EXCUSE ME, LIKE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THEY WOULD KIND OF LOOK AT THAT FIRE MARSHALS AND THOSE TYPE OF GENTLEMEN.
I MEAN, I WOULD HOPE IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO PUT FIRE HYDRANTS IN THE, IN THE, I UNDERSTAND THE APPLICANT DID GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS SO THEY WOULD'VE RECEIVED COMMENTS IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT FROM THOSE DIFFERENT AGENCIES OR DEPARTMENTS.
SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE CITY SERVICES AND SO FORTH, FIRE DEPARTMENT, POLICE, WATER, SEWER, I KNOW THERE ARE, UM, THEY'RE TAX EXEMPT.
ARE THEY GONNA BE PAYING CITY TAXES? AGAIN, I, WE CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT WOULD NOT BE EXPERTS FOR THOSE FIELDS PARTICULARLY.
SO IS THERE ANYONE I COULD WRITE TO TO GET AN ANSWER TO THAT? THAT MAY BE THE TAX DEPARTMENT, SIR.
I JUST WANTED TO ASK FOR A SHOW OF HANDS WHO ACTUALLY LIVES AROUND THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AND I KNOW THAT PEOPLE HERE FROM CAROLINA COLORS, BUT AGAIN, MR. CHAIR DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AND WE ALL WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A QUESTION OF THE GENTLEMAN BEFORE HE LEAVES.
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RECEIVE A LETTER, DID NOT.SO YOU ARE NOT IN THE AREA THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED A LETTER.
HOW DID YOU HEAR ABOUT THIS? UH, ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS THAT DID RECEIVE A LETTER, UH, WAS GOING AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SAYING, DID YOU HEAR ABOUT THIS? DID YOU HEAR ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT? NO ONE WAS NOTIFIED ON TYLER RYAN SIR JAMES, WHICH ALL ABUT SIR JAMES DOES NOT, BUT THEY ARE OFF OF TYLER RYAN, WHICH IS ON THE SOUTH PART OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
SO I GUESS MAYBE THIS IS TIME TO DESCRIBE WHAT THE ABUTMENT MEANS.
SO IN ACCORDANCE WITH WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR ORDINANCE, WE HAVE TO NOTIFY FROM A HUNDRED FEET OF THE ACTUAL SURROUNDING PARCEL AND THAT NOTIFICATION WAS PROCESSED BY MYSELF.
AND I CAN TELL YOU TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY AND KNOWLEDGE, THERE WAS A BUFFER TAKEN FROM THE OUTSKIRTS OF THOSE PROPERTY LINES AND WHOEVER FELL WITHIN THAT 100 FOOT BUFFER WAS NOTIFIED.
MY ONLY RESPONSE TO THAT IS THEY WERE BUILDING A WALMART 200 FEET FROM YOUR HOUSE.
WOULD YOU WANT TO GET A LETTER, SIR? I, I CAN'T SPEAK.
AND MR. CHAIR, JUST AS A, A CLARIFYING POINT, I THINK THE GENTLEMAN WAS NOT A NOTIFIED OPPONENT.
UM, SO JUST BEAR THAT IN MIND FOR LATER IN YOUR DELIBERATION.
AND SO WE, WE WERE TRYING TO GO THROUGH THE NOTIFIED OPPONENTS ARE FIRST AND SO ARE THERE ANY NOTIFIED ONES THAT HAVEN'T SPOKE YET? OKAY.
SO I GUESS DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS GENTLEMAN TO JUST CONFIRM WHEN HE GIVES HIS ADDRESS THAT HE RECEIVED A LETTER ABOUT? YES, PLEASE.
SO PLEASE, YEAH, LET US HAVE THE NAME AND ADDRESS SINCE WE'RE NOT A ALRIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN AND BOARD MEMBERS, I'M AARON CLARK.
I LIVE AT 34 20 OLD AIRPORT ROAD.
MY PROPERTY IS ADJACENT TO CAROLINA COLORS.
I SHARE PROPERTY IRONS WITH THEM.
THIS DEVELOPMENT, DID YOU RECEIVE A LETTER SIR? WE DID AFTER WE ASKED FOR IT.
WE HAD TO REACH OUT TO THE CITY.
WE HAD HEARD THROUGH WORD OF MOUTH ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT AND WE HAD TO REACH OUT TO THE CITY TO ASK ABOUT IT.
WE WERE THEN SENT A LETTER, SO WE HAD NO IDEA UNTIL ABOUT, UH, MAYBE A WEEK OR A COUPLE WEEKS AGO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DATE ON THE LETTER IS, BUT ONCE I GOT THE LETTER, I INFORMED SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS WHO ALSO WERE NOT INFORMED AND THAT ALSO LIVE ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY.
THE, THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD DIRECTLY IMPACT MY PROPERTY BECAUSE I LEARNED THIS EVENING THAT WE HAVE A 50 FOOT REPAIRING BUFFER ON EITHER SIDE OF THE DITCH, WHICH RUNS BETWEEN MY PROPERTY AND CAROLINA COLORS.
50 FEET OF THAT REPAIRING BUFFER NOW GOES INTO MY YARD.
NOW I'M LOSING ACCESS TO MY OWN PROPERTY THAT I PAID FOR.
I DID NOT MOVE INTO THIS PROPERTY TO DONATE 50 FEET OF MY LAND TO THRIVE.
COULD WE I OBJECT TO THAT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHATEVER ARIAN BUMPER IS, WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE STATE IMPOSES.
AND IS THERE, IS THERE A WAY THAT A PERSON CAN EXPLAIN THE NOOSE RIVER BASIN RULES ON A BLUE LINE STREAM AT THIS POINT? IS THERE, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE ANY REBUTTAL EVIDENCE THAT THEY'D LIKE.
SO SHOULD WE TRY TO ADDRESS THAT NOW OR WAIT UNTIL, OKAY.
IN YOUR PURVIEW, MR. CHAIR, THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS POSED AND I THINK THE PREVIOUS INSTRUCTION WAS THAT YOU WOULD DEAL WITH, UH, QUESTIONS AT THE END, BUT THAT'S WITHIN YOUR P WELL I PREFER TO STAY THAT WAY.
SO YEAH, PLEASE MAKE A NOTE THAT THAT IS A QUESTION THAT'S GONNA BE ADDRESSED.
ALRIGHT, NOW WE CANNOT ADDRESS TRAFFIC.
WAS IT NOT STATED THE NIGHT THAT THERE WOULD BE 36 ADDITIONAL TRIPS ON, UH, WATER, UH, ON LANDSCAPE DRIVE? WAS THAT NOT STATED? 3,636.
SO I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY THERE WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL 3,600 TRIPS DAILY ON LANDSCAPE DRIVE.
WE'LL, WE'LL LET THEM ADDRESS THAT AGAIN HERE IN A, IN A SECOND.
OKAY, SO THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT QUESTION BECAUSE THAT'S 3,600 TRIPS MORE THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW.
SO I'VE LOOKED AT THE AREA AND OVER THE YEARS IT APPEARS THAT UH, THE HOMES THAT ARE AFFECTED IN THIS AREA ARE APPROXIMATELY 122 HOMES.
OVER THE YEARS WE HAVE ON IN OUR AREA, WE HAVE INCREASED THE GROWTH RATE AND I BELIEVE THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT THRIVE MORE HAD DEVELOPED INDICATED A GROWTH RATE OF ABOUT 1.3% FROM WHAT
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I SEE IN OUR AREA WITH THE PRICESS CROSSING, WITH THE BLUE WATER RISE CROSSING WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF CAROLINA COLORS, THE ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION ON OLD AIRPORT ROAD, TYLER RYAN ROAD, WHICH ABUTS IMMEDIATELY TO CAROLINA COLORS.IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE WE HAVE MORE THAN 300% GROWTH RATE, MORE THAN A 300% GROWTH RATE AS IT IS RIGHT NOW.
IF I INCLUDE THE ADDITIONAL HOMES AND BRYCE'S CROSSING AND IN BLUE WATER RISE, THAT GOES WELL OVER 400% GROWTH RATE.
WITH THE THRIVE MORE DEVELOPMENT, WE WOULD HAVE OVER A 600% GROWTH RATE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND 3,600 ADDITIONAL DAILY TRIPS ON LANDSCAPE DRIVE.
I DON'T SEE HOW THAT WOULD MAKE MY NEIGHBORHOOD SAFER.
WE HAVE A BICYCLE LANE THAT THE CITY PROVIDED ON OLD AIRPORT ROAD.
A LOT OF PEOPLE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.
AND A QUALITY OF LIFE IS AN IMPORTANT THING IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO FEEL SAFE WHEN YOU GO OUTSIDE OF YOUR HOME.
YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO PARTAKE IN HEALTHY ACTIVITIES.
RIDE YOUR BIKE DOWN THE ROAD IN A BICYCLE LANE HAS BEEN PROVIDED FOR YOU.
HOW WILL THIS ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC MAKE THAT SAFER FOR ME OR MY FAMILY OR MY NEIGHBORS? I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
NOW I'M GONNA TELL YOU SOMETHING.
I HAVE A BACHELOR OF SCIENCE DEGREE IN CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT.
I'VE BEEN IN CONSTRUCTION SINCE I'VE RETIRED FROM THE MARINE CORPS.
I'VE RETIRED FROM THE MARINE CORPS UP TO 20 YEARS OF SERVICE.
I'VE BEEN IN CONSTRUCTION NOW FOR 23 YEARS.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT'S GONNA INCREASE THE SAFETY OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I'VE TRIED HARD AND I'VE READ THROUGH THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND I CANNOT UNDERSTAND THAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS PRESENTED BY A FIRM THAT APPEARS TO BE OUT OF WINSTON-SALEM.
DO WE HAVE ANY LOCAL REPRESENTATIVES HERE IN NEW BERN THAT REPRESENT OUR INTERESTS? I'VE HEARD FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE TONIGHT THAT REPRESENT THE INTEREST OF THRIVE MORE FROM THE RALEIGH AREA, FROM THE WINSTON-SALEM AREA, ALL THESE SO-CALLED PROFESSIONALS WHO REPRESENTS ME, WHO REPRESENTS MY FAMILY AND MY NEIGHBORS.
WHERE'S MY REPRESENTATION? I HAVE TO LIVE WITH THIS.
HAS ANYBODY GIVEN THAT ANY THOUGHT TO ABOUT MY QUALITY OF LIFE, MY FAMILY'S QUALITY OF LIFE, THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF MY NEIGHBORS? HAS ANYBODY GIVEN THAT ANY THOUGHT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT 3,600 MORE DAILY TRIPS? NOT IN A WEEK.
WHO'S GIVEN THAT? ANY THOUGHT? HOW ABOUT MY SAFETY? I'LL TELL YOU SOMETHING.
I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXPERT WHEN IT COMES TO THE TOPIC OF MY OWN PERSONAL SAFETY.
I AM A RESIDENT EXPERT, A CERTIFIED VERIFIED SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT WHEN IT COMES TO MY QUALITY OF LIFE.
WHEN I WALK OUTSIDE OF MY BACKYARD AND I'VE GOT A 50 FOOT REPAIRING BUFFERY YARD AND I CAN SEE HIGH RISE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS NOT IN A HARMONY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I LIVE IN A SINGLE UH, SINGLE STORY, DOUBLE STORY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE ARE NOT HIGHRISE DEVELOPMENTS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
HIGHRISE HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT EXIST IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT WOULD NOT BE IN HARMONY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
NOW HIGHRISE HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT DOES EXIST ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF WATERSCAPE.
ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF WATERSCAPE.
WHEN YOU COME OUT OF THE HARRIS TEETER NICE DEVELOPMENT OVER THERE, NICE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, VERY CONVENIENT TO THE RESIDENTS.
AND YOU WALK OUTSIDE AND YOU SEE THE HUDSON, A HIGH DENSITY HIGH RISE DEVELOPMENT.
AND YOU LOOK OVER AND YOU SEE THE MERIDIAN FOUR ELDERLY FOLKS, ANOTHER HIGH RISE, HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT.
NOW IN THAT AREA THAT KIND OF FITS, I GUESS THAT'S BEEN ZONED FOR THAT AND IT FITS OVER THERE.
BUT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, HOW IS THAT HARMONIOUS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD? AND I'M GONNA TELL YOU, I'M THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT IN MY OWN HARMONY.
I DON'T CARE IF YOU'RE A NORTH CAROLINA REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, YOU CAN'T TELL ME HOW MY HARMONY FEELS TO ME.
NOBODY IN THIS ROOM COULD DO THAT.
YOU COULD BE AN N-C-A-R-B REGISTER ARCHITECT, A MEMBER OF THE A I A.
YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT FEELS HARMONIOUS TO ME.
WHEN I WALK OUTSIDE OF MY BACKYARD AND I'M LOOKING AT LIGHTS GO GUARD TONIGHT.
WHEN YOU GET OUT OF HERE, GO OVER TO HARRIS TEETER AND LOOK AT ALL THOSE BRIGHT LIGHTS ON THE HUDSON.
IMAGINE THAT IN YOUR BACKYARD.
I CRINGED THE THOUGHT OF THAT.
I CRINGED THE THOUGHT THAT PEOPLE WOULD EVEN COME HERE TONIGHT AND THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE.
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THERE ARE 122 HOMES BY NEIGHBORHOOD.THE MERIDIAN HAS ADDED 105 NEW HOMES.
THE HUDSON HAS ADDED 240 NEW HOMES.
THE ASTON, WHICH IS NOW IN PROGRESS, A CAROLINA COLORS NEIGHBORHOOD IS ADDING 125 MORE HOMES THRIVE MORE WILL CONTRIBUTE ACCORDING TO THEIR STUDY.
858 MORE HOMES, 376% GROWTH RATE SINCE 2019 IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
376% GROWTH RATE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE THRIVE MORE STUDIES IS 1.3%.
NOW WHAT SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT CAME UP WITH THAT YOU COULD GO TO GOOGLE EARTH AND YOU COULD COUNT THE HOUSES AND YOU COULD SEE WHAT'S OUT THERE.
FIGURE OUT THE PERCENTAGE ENVIRONMENTAL PRESENTATION WAS BROUGHT UP TONIGHT.
I'M NOT AN ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEER SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT.
BUT SOMEBODY NEEDS TO, SOMEBODY NEEDS TO DO AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY.
I HEARD THE THRIVE WARN PEOPLE TALK TONIGHT ABOUT HOW THE AREA WAS ZONED FOR COMMERCIAL IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
IN MY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE'VE GOT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
IS THE ZONING CORRECT FOR THAT? THAT THAT'S A, A LAND USE IN THAT GENERAL AREA.
THE ZONING FOR THE IS R EIGHT, WHICH DOES ALLOW FOR MULTIFAMILY.
AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT WHICH WAS PROPOSED FOR THE CORONER.
NOW I BELIEVE I HEARD TESTIMONY TONIGHT SAYING THAT THAT WAS CONJECTURE AND WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT GONNA DO THAT.
BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LET THIS THING RUN LOOSE, HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN? THEY'VE ALREADY PUT IN THE STUDY AND THEY SAID THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO.
SO I'M GONNA TAKE THEM FOR THE WORD AT THAT.
AND APPLICATION FOR REZONING TO, YOU KNOW, FROM R EIGHT TO C, THAT WAS COMMERCIAL USE WOULD NOT EVEN COME TO THIS ORDER.
WE ARE JUST LIMITED TO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND THE IMPACT OF THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
SO WE'RE BY THE LAW, WE ARE LIMITED TO THAT.
NEVER THE ATTORNEY COULD EXPLAIN.
SO, BUT THAT IF THEY WANTED TO REZONE, THAT WOULD BE ENTIRELY STRESSFUL AND THAT PROCESS WOULD BE REVIEWED BY THE BOARD OF ALMAN.
NOW THE DRAINAGE, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE DRAINAGE FOR A MINUTE.
UH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SOME CIVIL ENGINEERING OUT HERE.
I'M NOT A REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL CIVIL ENGINEER.
BUT I CAN ASK THE QUESTION THOUGH.
HOW ABOUT THE DRAINAGE? HOW DOES THAT IMPACT THE DRAINAGE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD? THE DRAINAGE DITCH THAT RUNS BEHIND MY HOUSE, THAT'S GONNA HAVE A 50 FOOT REPAIRING BUFFER ON EACH SIDE.
WHO STUDIED THAT? WHO FROM THE CITY OF NEW BERN HAS STUDIED THAT WE KNOW THAT DRYWALL HAS THEIR DEVELOPMENT.
THEY'RE GONNA TELL YOU EVERYTHING IS PERFECT.
THEY'RE GONNA TELL YOU THAT EVERYTHING IS PERFECT.
EVERYTHING YOU'VE HEARD FROM THESE PEOPLE TONIGHT, IT'S PERFECT.
THEY'VE COME FROM A LONG WAY TO GET HERE.
ONE GENTLEMAN SAID SOMETHING ABOUT IOWA, OTHER PEOPLE HERE FROM WINSTON-SALEM IN RALEIGH.
WHAT DO THEY KNOW ABOUT MY NEIGHBORHOOD? I'VE BEEN WILD LIVED SINCE 2018 WHEN HURRICANE FLORENCE CAME THROUGH HERE.
WE ALL REMEMBER HURRICANE FLORENCE.
WE ALL REMEMBER THE IMPACT IT HAD ON THIS CITY AND HOW PEOPLE HAD TO COME TOGETHER.
AND THE SUFFERING THAT WE HAD IN THIS CITY.
MY DITCH WAS DRY DURING HURRICANE FLORENCE.
BLESSED BY GOD THE DITCH IN THE FRONT OF MY HOUSE, THOUGH THE CITY OF NEW BO NEWBURG TORE IT UP.
I WAS ABLE TO GO OUT WITH A LAWNMOWER AND MOW MY DITCH UNTIL THE CITY OF NEWBURGH CAME AND FIXED IT IN THE, IN THE ESSENCE OF TIME.
HAVE WE GETTING PRETTY CLOSE TO THE END OF THE TESTIMONY? I HAVE ONE FINAL COMMENT TO MAKE AND I THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
AND ALSO I WOULD LIKE TO COMPLIMENT THE PEOPLE FROM THRIVE MORE.
I DON'T WANNA COME OUT HERE AND JUST SOUND LIKE THE ANGRY NEIGHBOR GET OFF OF MY LAWN.
UH, I DO APPRECIATE WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
WE DO NEED HOUSING FOR THE ELDERLY.
WE DON'T NEED IT IN THAT PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE NEED IT WHERE WE, WHERE THE ZONING WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR IT.
WHERE THE HUDSON IS, WHERE THE BRI IS, BUT NOT IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT PLACE FOR THIS.
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AND GOD BLESS THESE PEOPLE.THEY HAVE A GOOD PRODUCT I THINK.
THE WRONG AREA FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
I HAVE A QUESTION ALSO AS WE PROCEED ON TALKING ABOUT THE NOTIFICATIONS.
DO YOU HAVE A, UH, AN IDEA OF HOW MANY FOLKS OR CITY VERSUS COUNTY AND WHERE THE, THE LINE IS BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY AROUND OLD AIRPORT ROAD AND TYLER RYAN AND ALL? SO I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK TO WHAT THE SEPARATION WAS, BUT UM, FOR THE NOTIFICATION, IF I CAN RECALL, I WANT TO SAY THERE WAS 73 UH, MAIL OUTS THAT WERE SENT.
IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE MEANING, IT'S FAIR ENOUGH.
I'M AT 30 14 WATERCRESS LOOP IN CAROLINA COLORS.
DID YOU RECEIVE, DID YOU RECEIVE A LETTER SIR? I DID.
AND UM, I'M PROBABLY THE CLOSEST TO THE NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT'S IN CAROLINA.
UH, AND FIRST LET ME SAY THAT I KNEW THIS WAS GONNA BE DEVELOPED.
I KNEW IT WAS GONNA BE RESIDENTIAL.
CERTAINLY HAD NO PROBLEM WITH MR. KURTMAN WANTING TO SELL THE PROPERTY.
THAT'S WHAT HE'S IN BUSINESS FOR.
AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH BRIMORE WANTING TO BUY THE PROPERTY BECAUSE HE WANTS THE SAME VIEW THAT I VIEW
UH, BUT I DO HAVE A FEW ISSUES AND UH, I HAVE A COUPLE OF, UH, POINTS FROM PEOPLE WHO'VE ALREADY PRESENTED ON THERE.
UH, ONE WAS YOUNG LADY SAID THAT, UH, IT WAS A QUARTER MILE FROM ACROSS THE LAKE TO UH, TO THE BIG BUILDINGS ON THERE WHERE I LIVE.
IT'S NOT ONLY THERE ON, FROM THE BACK OF THE BUILDING FROM THE BACK OF THE LAKE AND I'M LOOKING AT THE BOOK YOU'VE GOT, UM, AND I'M LOOKING TAB THREE, UH, SIX, PAGE SIX ON THERE, WHICH SHOWS THE, UH, SITE PLAN.
UH, AND I AM RIGHT OFF OF LANDSCAPE DRIVE TO GET TO MY HOUSE TO THE BACK OF THE LAKE.
UM, BUT SHE HAD MENTIONED THAT IT WAS A QUARTER MILE AND I KNOW SHE'S RIGHT FROM WHERE SHE'S DOING IT, BUT SHE'S DOING IT FROM THE VERY BACK OF THE UH, SITE PLAN TO THE BIG BUILDING BACK HERE.
I'M UP HERE AT THE VERY FRONT.
SO I WOULD PROBABLY SAY IT'S PROBABLY HALF THAT DISTANCE ON THERE.
UM, AND THE OTHER ONE THOUGH, THAT SOMEBODY TESTIFIED TO WAS ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY ABOUT NOTHING NEEDS TO BE DONE TO LANDSCAPE DRIVE.
UM, AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE OF THE SCHOOL ENTRANCE OFF LANDSCAPE DRIVE, UH, TWO TIMES A DAY, YOU CAN'T GET BY THAT BECAUSE THE PARENTS DROPPING OFF AND PICKING UP THEIR KIDS ON THERE.
UH, AND WHEN YOU'RE GONNA ADD THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC THAT'S COMING THROUGH HERE, IT'S JUST GONNA MAKE THAT WORSE ON THERE.
THERE IS NO RIGHT TURN LANE COMING DOWN LANDSCAPE TOWARD AIRPORT ROAD TO TURN INTO THE SCHOOL TRAFFIC BLOCKS THERE IN THE MORNING, IN THE AFTERNOON COMING FROM AIRPORT ROAD BACK TOWARD THE SCHOOL ENTRANCE, UH, TO TRAFFIC IS BLOCKED THERE BECAUSE THERE'S NO LEFT TURN LANE IN THERE.
SO WHEN HE SAID THAT THERE WAS NOTHING NEEDS TO BE DONE TO THAT INTERSECTION, I THINK WE MIGHT NEED TO LOOK AT THAT.
THE OTHER PART OF THAT IS, IS THEIR MAIN ENTRANCE IS GOING ON LANDSCAPE DRIVE.
AND IF YOU'RE GOING DOWN LANDSCAPE TOWARD AIRPORT ROAD, THERE'S A MARKER THAT SAYS SCHOOL ZONE.
UM, THEIR ENTRANCE IS GOING TO BE RIGHT INTO THAT SCHOOL ZONE ON THERE.
UH, WE HAVE NO SIDEWALKS ON THAT ROAD.
WE HAVE NO STREET LIGHTS, WE HAVE NO BIKE TRIPS ON THAT ROAD ON THERE.
AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA INCREASE THE TRAFFIC THERE.
UM, MY OTHER CONCERN IS LIGHTING.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH COLORS, YOU SEE MERIDIAN, YOU CAN SIT OUT IN THE PARKING LOT AND YOU COULD BE IN A NEWSPAPER AT MIDNIGHT ON THERE.
SO I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED BY THAT AND I THINK MAYBE THEY COULD DO SOMETHING WITH THE LIGHTING AS FAR AS AT LEAST HAVING LIGHTS THAT SHINE DOWN AND NOT SO MUCH UP BUT THE LIGHT POLLUTION THERE WHERE YOU LOOK OUT MY BACK DOOR, I'M GONNA SEE ALL THIS.
I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT LIT UP LIKE DAYLIGHT ON THERE.
AND THE BIGGEST CONCERN TO ME IS THE BUILDINGS.
IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR MAP, IT'S IN THE YELLOW AND IT'S AN EIGHT SHAPED BUILDING.
THE FIRST PART COMING IN, UH, OFF LANDSCAPE DRIVE THERE, BACKING UP TO WHERE I LIVE.
UM, AND I'M GONNA GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE ON THERE.
SOMETHING THAT WE ALL SEE DRIVING AROUND THE BRIDGE POINT MOTEL DOWN THERE.
THIS BUILDING THAT THEY'RE PUTTING UP.
THE FIRST PART OF THIS IS THE BRIDGEPOINT MOTEL IS FOUR STORIES.
THEIR BUILDINGS ARE GONNA BE THREE STORIES WITH AN A ROOF.
SO IT'S ABOUT THE SAME HEIGHT ON THERE AS THE BRIDGEBOARD.
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BE THREE TIMES THAT SIZE ON THERE.IT'S GOING TO DWARF THAT AREA.
UM, THE BACKSIDE IS EVEN GOING TO BE BIGGER ON THERE AND THE COTTAGES THAT THEY'RE GONNA BUILD UP FRONT ON THERE, IT, YOU CAN'T HELP BUT BE ABLE TO SEE THIS BUILDING.
UH, YOU CAN'T HIDE IT NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY.
UM, IF YOU GO TO TAB THREE, PAGE 11, IT SHOWS THE ARTIST RENDERING AND ON THE BOTTOM IS KIND OF WHAT I'M GOING BE SEEING.
THIS BOTTOM PAGE HERE, WHAT IT DOESN'T SHOW YOU BEHIND THAT IS WHAT'S ON TOP AT THERE.
THE BIG THREE STORY BUILDING WITH THE ROOF, WHICH BASICALLY FOUR STORIES.
IT DOESN'T SHOW YOU ANY OF THAT BEHIND THESE COTTAGES.
YOU CAN'T HELP BUT NOT SEE THAT.
SO THAT'S A REALLY BIG ISSUE FOR ME.
UM, I MEAN WE ALL BOUGHT THE LAKE FOR THE VIEW.
WE ALL PAID BIG BIGGER DOLLARS FOR THE LAKE VIEW AND I UNDERSTAND IT WAS GONNA BE DEVELOPED.
I HAD NO PROBLEM WITH IT BEING REGULAR RESIDENTIAL.
I DO HAVE IT BEING A PROBLEM WITH IT BEING HIGH DENSITY HOMES.
SO I MEAN, AT THE VERY LEAST IF THE BOARD IN THEIR WISDOM SEIZED TO GRANT THEM THIS PERMIT, IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO PUT A STIPULATION THAT THE LARGER PINE TREES AROUND THESE LARGER BUILDINGS SHOULD BE LEFT UP TO MAKE THIS AT LEAST SOMEHOW BLEND IN SOMEWHAT THESE HUGE BUILDINGS.
YOU KNOW, I WOULD CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT.
MY NAME'S GAIL BEERS AND I DID GET THE LETTER.
UM, I LIVE AT 28 12 WATER LEAF POINT IN NEW BERN.
MY BACKYARD IS ABOUT 250 FEET FROM THE SINGLE STORY RESIDENCE AROUND THE LAKE.
AND I DO HAVE A CONCERN AND MANY OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON THE LAKE HAVE A CONCERN.
AND IN FACT WE UH, SOLICITED ABOUT A HUNDRED SIGNATURES IN CAROLINA COLORS THAT HAVE SIMILAR CONCERNS THAT I'M GONNA BRING UP AND I'LL BOIL IT DOWN TO TWO.
AND TOM HAS BROUGHT UP BASICALLY BOTH OF THOSE ALREADY.
AND IT DEALS WITH HOW THE DEVELOPMENT WILL FIT IN WITH THE CAROLINA, UH, COLORS COMMUNITY.
UM, WE WOULD LIKE, IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO PUT ANY SPECIAL CONDITIONS IN APPROVING THIS, UM, DEALING WITH TREES AND DEALING WITH LIGHTING.
WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS A NEW DEVELOPMENT LOOKING LIKE TRENT CADILLAC PARKING LOT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO LOOK ONTO THAT PROPERTY.
UH, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THE LIGHTS IF YOU APPROVE THE, THE REQUIREMENTS HAVE THE LIGHTS BEING SHUN SHOWN DOWN AND VERY LOW INTENSIVE LIGHTS.
WE REALIZE YOU HAVE TO HAVE LIGHTS FOR SAFETY.
BUT UH, WE JUST DON'T WANT LIGHTS BROADCASTING OUT 'CAUSE WE HAVE TO LOOK AT 'EM RIGHT OUT OF OUR BACK DOOR.
THE SECOND POINT IS THE TREES.
THREE DEVELOPMENTS OR THREE PARTS PARCELS IN CAROLINA COLORS HAVE BEEN CLEAR CUT.
AND THAT IS A REAL CONCERN OF EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT THIS WILL ALSO BE CLEAR CUT.
SO I WOULD REQUEST THAT, UH, IF THE PERMIT IS GRANTED THAT SOME OF THE MATURE TREES BE LEFT, ESPECIALLY AROUND THE LARGE BUILDING TO, UH, BUFFER WHAT THAT BUILDING'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
AND MY SECOND REQUEST TREES IS, IS TO HAVE SOME INTENSE LANDSCAPING ON THE EDGE OF THE LAKE TO BUFFER.
AS YOU LOOK AT THE, THE HOUSES, IT'S VERY INTENSE, BUT THEY'RE VERY CLOSE.
AND JUST TO HAVE SOME TREES OR BERMS, UH, IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO LEAVE SOME OF THE SMALLER TREES ALONG THE LAKE TO MAKE THIS A LITTLE MORE VISUAL VISIBLE, UH, ACCEPTABLE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
APOLOGIZE, I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT YOU SAID THE FIRST TIME.
YEAH, I GUESS HOLD YOUR HAND UP IF YOU WOULD.
DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES SIR.
AND YOU AND YOU HAVE SIGNED IN.
I SIGNED IN AND YOU PLEA PLEASE NAME AND ADDRESS WHEN YOU UM, MY NAME IS LINDA POVICH.
I LIVE AT 3 4 4 6 OLD AIRPORT ROAD.
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LEES BRANCH.HOWEVER, ON YOUR MAP WE ARE LABELED AS SOMEONE ELSE.
WE'VE LIVED THERE FOR 35 YEARS.
MA'AM, DID YOU RECEIVE A LETTER? WE RECEIVED NO LETTER, NO, NOTHING
I EVEN TRIED TO TALK TO SOMEONE THAT I SAW LANDSCAPING IN OUR BACKYARD, UM, PUTTING UP, UH, THE DIVID DIVIDERS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DITCH WHERE THE STREAM, THE LITTLE, UH, DITCH RUNOFF IS BACK THERE.
THEY OF COURSE JUST SAID, OH, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE DOING THIS FOR CAROLINA COLORS.
UM, BUT NO, WE RECEIVED NO NOTICE WHATSOEVER UNTIL I HEARD ABOUT THIS MEETING THAT WAS GONNA TAKE PLACE.
UM, ONLY, I'M NOT GONNA REPEAT THINGS PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY SAID.
I'VE LIVED THROUGH SEVERAL HURRICANES THERE.
THE WATER CANNOT RUN OFF FAST ENOUGH AND THOSE STUDIES HAVE BEEN DONE.
UM, IT BACKS UP HALFWAY OUR BACKYARD.
OUR HOUSE SITS FAIRLY FAR BACK ON OUR LOT.
UM, THE WATER COMES UP DURING ANY HEAVY RAINFALL, HALFWAY UP THE BACK.
AND THEN WHEN IT TRIES TO RUN OFF INTO THROUGH LEE'S BRANCH THROUGH THE BACK THERE DOWN INTO BRYCE'S CREEK, IT CANNOT ACCOMMODATE THE WATER.
MR. HEARN, WHO WAS UP EARLIER, IT DOES TAKE OUT HIS DRIVEWAY AND ALL ALONG THAT SIDE WHEN THE WATER TRIES TO RUN OFF.
SO SOMETHING WOULD OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO BE D DONE THERE, BUT IF YOU CLEAR CUT OR YOU TAKE DOWN THE TREES, YOU'RE NOW TAKING DOWN WHAT WOULD ABSORB THE WATER.
SO THEN YOU HAVE NOTHING BUT DIRECT RUNOFF.
THAT IS MY FIRST CONCERN IS THE WATER.
NUMBER TWO, I'VE WORKED IN THE HEALTHCARE INDUSTRY MY WHOLE LIFE.
I HAVE A 93 YEAR OLD MOTHER IN MCCARTHY, MOTHER-IN-LAW IN MCCARTHY.
THEY HAVE PLENTY OF OPENINGS FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE THERE.
ALSO, MERIDIANS, WE CHECKED INTO VERIDIAN.
WE THOUGHT WE MIGHT WANNA MOVE HER THERE.
THEY HAVE PLENTY OF OPENINGS THERE AND THEY HAVE TROUBLE FINDING HELP.
SO ALL I CAN SAY IS YOU MUST BE PAYING GOOD BECAUSE
I DO ATTEND THE NEW, UM, PHYSICIAN'S OFFICE THAT MOVED OUT THERE DOING A GREAT JOB.
I WORKED FOR THAT COMPANY FOR 42 YEARS.
I SEE A NEED ON OUTLYING AREAS, BUT NOT WITHIN A NEIGHBORHOOD.
CAN I ASK HER HER ADDRESS AGAIN? WHAT WAS OR OR THE LOT WHERE SHE'S LOCATED AGAIN? I'M SORRY I DIDN'T, IT'S BLATANTLY WRONG ON THE MAP.
SO IF, IF WE COUNT, COUNT DOWN FROM WATERSCAPE DOWN OLD AIRPORT ROAD.
MA'AM, CAN YOU COME TO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE? YES.
THEY USED TO OWN THE PROPERTY ON THE OTHER SIDE THAT WAS SOLD, BUT WE'VE LIVED THERE 35 YEARS OR OUR NAME'S NOT ON THAT MAP.
SO IF YOU COUNT THE LOCKS DOWN, UM, IF I, LET ME LOOK AT ON MY PHONE BECAUSE I CAN SEE IT BETTER THERE.
YOU SEE WHERE THE LEE'S BRANCH RUNS BEHIND? YEAH.
IF WE HAD A POINTER I COULD SHOW YOU.
BUT I CAN'T BLOW THIS UP BIG ENOUGH TO SEE IT.
I THINK IT SAYS MORAN ON THE NAME BIG.
BIG SQUARE LOT DOWN THE BOTTOM.
BUT THAT'S, AND WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANYTHING.
IT'S, I CAN SHOW YOU WHERE IT'S TOO WE LOT NUMBER FIVE.
LOT NUMBER FIVE FOR THE RECORD IS WHAT IT SAYS ON, ON THIS.
THANK NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
HELLO, UH, MY NAME IS CARRIE SMITH.
I LIVE AT 34 10 OLD AIRPORT ROAD.
I ACTUALLY RECEIVED TWO DIFFERENT LETTERS.
UM, WE BOUGHT OUR HOUSE IN OLD AIRPORT ROAD SIX YEARS AGO, OCTOBER OF 2017.
UM, WE WERE A SMALL FAMILY WITH TWO CHILDREN.
WE LOOKED AT THIS VIEW, IT'S BEAUTIFUL, NOTHING CAN GO IN THE LAND BEHIND OUR HOUSE.
WE MOVED THERE FOR SAFETY, FOR PRIVACY.
UM, WE HAVE SINCE HAD TWO MORE CHILDREN.
AND SO NOW WE'RE A FAMILY WITH FOUR SMALL CHILDREN.
AND AS YOU KNOW, YOUNG CHILDREN LIKE TO RIDE THEIR BIKES.
WE RIDE OUR BIKES TO THE ADJOINING NEIGHBORHOODS OVER TO EVANS MILL OVER NEAR TYLER R WHICH IS WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO DUMP SOME OF THE TRAFFIC THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO PUT IN THIS AREA.
UM, MY HUSBAND OWNS HIS OWN LAWN CARE AND LANDSCAPE AND AUTO BUSINESS AND HE HAS MULTIPLE TRAILERS IN THE BACK OF OUR YARD.
SO HE HAS CAMERAS NATURALLY TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR PROPERTY DOESN'T GET STOLEN OR TAMPERED WITH ON OUR CAMERAS.
WE HAVE SEEN BLACK BEARS, WE HAVE SEEN DEER COME ALL THE
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WAY TO OUR PROPERTY LINE.SO NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING ALL THESE THINGS AND CHASING THESE BEARS OUT OF THE WOODS INTO OUR PROPERTY WHERE MY CHILDREN ARE PLAYING.
I ALSO HAVE WITNESSED WE WALKED OUT OUR WINDOW WHILE WE HOMESCHOOL.
AND I DON'T CARE WHAT TRAFFIC EXPERTS SAY FROM NATIONAL DATA.
WE HAVE WATCHED IT GO FROM RANDOM CARS HERE AND THERE THROUGHOUT THE DAY TO CONSTANT LIKE A HIGHWAY 18 WHEELERS FLYING DOWN OUR ROAD WHILE MY CHILDREN ARE ON THEIR BIKES.
AND NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING 3,600 MORE TRIPS A DAY.
WHERE WILL WE GO AND WHAT WILL WE DO WITH OUR HOMES THAT WE HAVE BUILT AND THAT WE HAVE PRODUCED FAMILIES IN AND THAT WE ARE TRYING TO LIVE A NORMAL LIFE WITHOUT OUR ENTIRE BACKYARD LIT UP BY HUMONGOUS FOOTBALL FIELD LIGHTS.
IF YOU'VE GONE BY AND SEEN THE VIRIDIAN, YOU'VE SEEN HOW LIT UP IT IS.
I HAVE A NICE BACK PORCH ON MY BRICK RANCH WHERE WE SIT ON THE BACK PORCH AND WE LOVE WATCHING THE VIEW.
WE WATCH THE ANIMALS BACK IN THE WOODS, WE SEE THE BIRDS COMING AND OUT ALL THE TIME.
AND NOW YOU'RE GOING TO TEAR ALL THAT DOWN AND PRODUCE A CITY, WHICH WE MOVE THERE TO GET AWAY FROM THE CITY TYPE LIFE BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT ALL OF THE BUSYNESS, THE DANGERS.
I MEAN THE ANIMALS HAVE ALREADY BEEN CHASED FURTHER AND FURTHER BY THE ROAD CONSTRUCTION OUT BY THE HIGHWAY.
AND NOW THOSE ANIMALS ARE LIVING IN THE WOODS BEHIND OUR HOUSE.
AND ONCE THOSE ARE TORN DOWN, WHERE DO YOU THINK THEY'RE GOING TO GO? THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN MY BACKYARD AND POTENTIALLY HARM MY CHILDREN.
IF THAT IS NOT SCARY ENOUGH, THEN I HOPE YOUR MONEY IS WORTH IT AND WE GOT ANOTHER.
DID YOU GET NOTIFICATION ALSO NAME AND ADDRESS AND NOTIFICATION WOULD YOU GET? YEP.
UM, DEPENDING ON WHAT VERSION OF THE MAP YOU'RE LOOKING AT, MY PROPERTY IS THE ONE THAT SAYS EIGHT FOOT PAVED WALKING PATH RIGHT ACROSS MY PROPERTY.
SO I GUESS BEFORE I START ANOTHER PRIOR MILITARY GUY HERE, RETIRED, I AM ALL ABOUT FREEDOM TO DO THINGS ON YOUR OWN PROPERTY.
AND I KNOW AT SOME POINT SOMEBODY'S PROBABLY GONNA BE, THE POPULATIONS ARE GROWING, BUT HAVING A COMMERCIAL ENTITY BEHIND YOU OR SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT, UH, THAT SHOULD COME WITH SOME OTHER CHECKS AND BALANCES.
AND SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT I READ BEFORE I STARTED MY PREPARED STATEMENT, YOU KNOW, WAS PREVIOUS TIMES WHEN THESE PARTICULAR TYPE MEETINGS WERE TAKING PLACE WITH EITHER THRIVE MORE OR THEY'RE, UH, PREVIOUSLY NAMED, UH, OUTFIT.
A LOT OF FOLKS ARE CURIOUS WHY THEY WEREN'T INVITED TO THE PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT APPARENTLY TOOK PLACE.
IT COULD BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE ERROR OR WHATEVER.
BUT LOOKING AT THE MAP, YOU CAN ONLY SEE ABOUT A DOZEN PLACES DOWN ALONGSIDE AIRPORT ROAD THAT WOULD'VE BUTT TO THAT PROPERTY.
I UNDERSTAND CAROLINA COLOR'S GOT A MEETING, I WONDER WHY WE DIDN'T.
BUT ANYWAY, UH, ONE LAST THING.
UM, IT PROBABLY DOESN'T DO YOU ANY GOOD IF YOU CHUCKLE AND GIGGLE AND ROLL YOUR EYES WHEN SOMEONE'S MAKING A PASSIONATE STATEMENT ABOUT THEIR PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT AN EXPERT WITNESS OR MAYBE THEY DON'T FOLLOW ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.
I'VE TOLD YOU MY WIFE TRACY AND I LIVE AT 34 0 4 OLD AIRPORT ROAD.
WE LIVED THERE COMING UP ON 10 YEARS.
I MAY START BY STATING THAT I DON'T KNOW THESE FOLKS, I DON'T KNOW THRIVE MORE.
DO I KNOW OR HAVE I EVER SPOKEN TO OUR ALDERMAN WITH THE EXCEPTIONAL IN CONSTRUCTION WIDE AND OLD AIRPORT ROAD AND BASICALLY LEFT MY MAILBOX IN THE ROADSIDE DITCH BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T MOVE MY CULVERT BACK OR REPLACE IT LIKE THE REST OF OLD AIRPORT.
IT'S STILL BASICALLY THE BOTTOM OF THE DITCH.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DRIVE BY AND LOOK SERIOUSLY THOUGH, I DON'T KNOW, THRIVE MORE, BUT RESPECT IN GENERAL WHAT THE PUBLIC UNDER PUBLICLY UNDERSTOOD PURPOSE OF THEIR FACILITIES ARE.
THAT BEING SAID, UNLIKE THEIR PREVIOUS EFFORTS TO MEET AND TALK WITH THE IMMEDIATE POTENTIAL NEIGHBORS, NO ONE HAS SAID A WORD.
IT WASN'T UNTIL SOMEBODY THAT WAS AFFECTED IMMEDIATELY AND CAROLINA CALLERS HAD MADE MENTION OF IT THAT I EVEN THOUGHT TO ASK ABOUT IT.
WITH TODAY'S NEWS BEING OVERWHELMINGLY ABUNDANT, IT DOESN'T TAKE TOO MUCH TO SLIP SOMETHING IN UNNOTICED.
AND MAYBE THIS WASN'T THE INTENT AND I'M NOT TRYING TO IMPLY THAT IT WAS, BUT AGAIN, THERE'S ONLY 12 OF US UP THERE.
IT WOULDN'T HAVE TAKEN A WHOLE LOT TO GET TO KNOW YOUR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS.
YOU CAN ENSURE WHAT WE DID, OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO SEE IF THERE'D BE ANY IMPACTS TO US OR OUR PROPERTY.
I LIVE ON A FEW ACRES WHERE I CAN HAVE LIVESTOCK, I CAN RUN A SMALL BUSINESS.
WHEN MY WORK ON BASE ISN'T SO DEMANDING AND I'M ABLE TO GO OUT IN MY BACKYARD AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT PRIVACY.
NOT THAT THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE TO HAVE A NEIGHBOR JUST NOT THREE TO 500 OF
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'EM WITH A PAVED PATH RIGHT UP TO MY PREVIOUSLY PRIVATE LITTLE PIECE OF HEAVEN, WHICH TOOK ME A LONG TIME TO BE ABLE TO FIND AND IT'LL PROBABLY TAKE ME EVEN LONGER TO PAY OFF.AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE ORGANIZATION, BUT OUR COMMUNITY'S NOT TOTALLY A RETIREMENT COMMUNITY.
IT'S FULL OF WORKING AGE ADULTS.
MANY AS YOU'VE JUST HEARD WITH YOUNG CHILDREN, EVEN STILL AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY.
AND CARE HOME WAS JUST FINISHED ON WHAT I THOUGHT I WOULD EXPECT TO BE THE EDGE OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS, I DON'T KNOW, BUT HUNDREDS OF APARTMENTS.
SO IN ADDITION TO THIS AREA OF BEING VERY QUICKLY OVERPOPULATED BY YOUNGER FOLKS AS WELL AS OLDER FOLKS WHO WILL MORE OFTEN THAN YOUNGER REQUIRE EMERGENCY SERVICES OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE, YOU'RE CONSIDERING THE ADDITION OF ANOTHER HIGH CONCENTRATION OF OLDER FOLKS.
SO DON'T GET ME WRONG, I LOVE OLDER FOLKS AND ONE DAY I HOPE TO BE ONE OF THEM, BUT THIS IS NOT JUST A LOT, IT'S TOO MUCH.
THE TOTAL FACE OF OUR COMMUNITY IMPACTS THE CURRENT RESIDENTS AS WELL AS TO THE PROPOSED RESIDENCE WILL BE IMMENSE.
IN ADDITION TO THE AUGMENTATION OF EMERGENCY SERVICES, WHICH WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT OTHER THAN WE HAVE A FIREHOUSE, UH, I HAVEN'T HEARD WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S BEEN ANY SORT OF CAPACITY STUDY DONE TO DETERMINE ALL OF THE NEW BUILDINGS THAT'S TAKEN PLACE ACROSS FROM HARRIS TEETER.
A HUGE HIGH CONCENTRATION OF PEOPLE IN ADDITION TO ANOTHER HIGH CONCENTRATION OF PEOPLE.
I MEAN, YEAH, WE'VE GOT A FIREHOUSE.
IS ONE TRUCK GONNA BE ENOUGH? IS ONE FIREHOUSE GONNA BE ENOUGH? AND IF THIS IS TRULY NOT-FOR-PROFIT AND IT'S TAX EXEMPT, WHO'S PAYING FOR IT US VIA TAXES, WILL THERE BE A GRANT WHICH IS ULTIMATELY PAID BY US VIA TAXES OR, UH, JUST QUESTIONS I'D LIKE TO KNOW THE ANSWERS TO.
SO I'LL CONTINUE TO RUN MY AIR AND IMPACT TOOLS SANDING AND GRINDING OLD BOATS.
WE WILL LET OUR FREE RANGE CHICKENS AND GUINEAS SQUA AND RAISE A RUCKUS LIKE THEY NORMALLY DO, AS WELL AS THE DONKEY THAT I HEAR CAN NEVER SEEM TO FIND.
WE'LL CONTINUE TO SHOOT OUR SHOTGUNS, RIFLES, AND HANDGUNS AS NEEDED.
AND LATE SATURDAY NIGHTS WE'LL TRY TO GET THE TIMING SET ON OUR KIDS HOT RODS.
HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET THE EXHAUST ON SOON THEREAFTER.
I KNOW YOU'VE DONE YOUR DUE DILIGENCE TO SHOW THAT TRAFFIC WILL NOT BE AFFECTED BY THE RESIDENCE.
3,500 IS A LOT OF EFFECT, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE EMPLOYEES, THE GUESTS, THE CONSTANT DELIVERIES, THE NONSTOP CONSTRUCTION TO GET MATERIAL HERE AND GET IT BUILT? WHAT ABOUT THE ROAD THAT HAS ALREADY BECOME A CASUALTY TO THE DUMP TRUCKS AND LOGGERS? IF YOU'VE EVER TAKEN THE ROAD FROM HARRIS TEETER TO OLD AIRPORT ROAD, YOU KNOW THOSE SPEED BUMPS THAT WEREN'T THERE WHEN THEY BUILT THE ROAD, THEY'RE JUST LITERAL DIP DIPS IN THE ROAD.
IF YOU'VE EVER DRIVEN THAT WAY, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEED TO BOTTOM OUT IN A FACTORY CONDITION CAR.
NOW, I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE LIGHT OF THIS, BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I'M NOT HERE AT AM MALICE EITHER WITH SO MUCH INEXPENSIVE DIRT NEARBY.
WHY WOULD WE TRY TO SHOEHORN SOMETHING IN LIKE THIS HERE? OUR SPEED LIMIT HAS ALREADY BEEN REDUCED WITH A SOMEWHAT BETTER ROAD.
SO RATHER THAN INCREASE AND IT GOT REDUCED, IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT TAXES WILL BE GENERATED TO OFFSET THE SELF-GENERATION OF BURDEN.
WE'LL PROBABLY BE THE ONES TO ULTIMATELY PAY.
AND IF WE DON'T PAY VIA CASH, YOU'RE GONNA PAY VIA PROPERTY VALUES OR BY OBSTRUCTION TO SCENERY OR JUST THE LOSS OF PRIVACY THAT WILL ULTIMATELY PAY.
FINALLY, IF THIS ULTIMATELY MOVES FORWARD, I WOULD LIKE FOR THRIVE MORE TO HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING WITH THE AFFECTED HOMEOWNERS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN MET, RECORD AND ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS.
AND IF A PERMIT APPROVAL TAKES PLACE AT THAT TIME THAT THE FOOTPRINT IS FROZEN IN PERPETUITY FOR THIS BUILDING OR THIS, THIS FACILITY, MEANING NO FUTURE ACCESSES ARE CREATED THROUGH EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS BY EITHER PURCHASED GIFT LOAN OR ANY OTHER METHOD, WHAT MAY END UP ULTIMATELY BEING AGREED UPON BY THOSE DIRECTLY AFFECTED WILL NOT BE ALTERED IN ANY WAY.
THE REASON WHY I PUT THAT LAST LITTLE FOOTNOTE IN THERE, AND YOU'RE WELCOME TO LOOK IT UP FOR YOURSELF AS A PIECE OF, UH, EVIDENCE IS IT WAS MADE MENTION AT THE FEBRUARY 17TH, 1990 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, SO THEY HAD REQUESTED TO BUILD THIS FACILITY AND MAYBE IT WASN'T INTENTIONAL, BUT NOT EVERYONE KNEW THAT THEY ALSO HAD PROPERTY OFF TO THE SIDE WITH OPTIONS, WHICH ALLOWED THEM TO BUILD A THROUGHWAY THERE.
SO WHEN THAT FINALLY CAME OUT IN THE WASH, YOU KNOW, THEN EVERYBODY WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED, WAIT A MINUTE, SO YOU'RE NOT JUST HAVING THIS ENTRANCE HERE AND THERE, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE ANOTHER ONE IN THE BACK.
AND WHAT ENDED UP OCCURRING, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT AN EXPERT, YOU CAN READ IT IF YOU'RE A READING EXPERT, UH, BASICALLY THEY SAID THAT DUE TO SAFETY AND MARKETABILITY, THEY NEEDED TO HAVE THE OTHER ENTRANCE.
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WERE ALREADY THERE.SO THERE'S A LOT OF FASHION FOLKS IN HERE BECAUSE YOU'RE AFFECTED NOT JUST SOMETHING THAT'S SMALL, BUT AS I WAS TRYING TO ASK IN THE BEGINNING, THERE HAVEN'T BEEN ANY SUBSTANTIAL NEGATIVE IMPACTS OF PROPERTY VALUES.
I MEAN, WHO'S TO DETERMINE WHAT'S SUBSTANTIAL WHEN IT COMES TO MY WALLET, WHEN IT COMES TO MY PRIVACY OR MY SAFETY? YOU KNOW, I GET THAT THESE FOLKS ARE CONCERNED AND I GET THAT THEIR PASSIONATE ABOUT THEIR SPEECHES.
UH, IT WOULD SERVE YOU WELL TO ALSO BE RESPECTFUL WHEN THEY'RE SPEAKING.
DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? OKAY, SO WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THIS PORTION OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
WOULD I BE ALLOWED, JUST SAY, AND I'LL TAKE THREE LESS THAN 10 SECONDS.
JUST QUICK, JUST WE, WE, YEAH, JUST, JUST WE, WE, WE GOT THE RECORD COMING, BUT JUST QUICK.
I DID LOOK UP THE, THE MASTER PLAN FOR CAROLINA COLORS FROM THEIR WEBSITE SAYS, WITH MORE THAN 1500 ACRES OF RESIDENTIAL RECREATIONAL ACRES, LIBERAL OPEN SPACES WERE COMBINED WITH A GENEROUS GOLF COURSE ACREAGE TO CREATE A COMFORTABLE UNCROWDED COMMUNITY.
ALRIGHT, SO NOW WE'LL CLOSE THE, THIS PORTION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO WE CAN START WITH THE REBUTTAL TO THE, OR DO WE NEED TO DO THE, IF YOU'RE GONNA ALLOW HIM TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO REBUT, YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING THIS TIME.
SO CAN I ASK THE STAFF A QUESTION? JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT SURE.
JOHNNY THINKS THAT PEOPLE BROUGHT UP.
ONE THING I THINK WE HAVE TO KIND OF EXPLAIN TO YOU, BUT THAT WHAT'S IN THIS LETTER, WHAT WAS SENT TO IN THE LETTER TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, IS BINDING ON US.
THERE IS AN INHERENT RIGHT TO DEVELOP THE LAND FOR RESIDENTIAL USE WITHOUT A SPECIAL POLICE PERMIT.
SO ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS, WITHOUT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY RESIDENCES COULD BE BUILT ON THE 68? IT WOULD, IT WOULD TAKE ME TIME TO ACTUALLY LOOK INTO THAT BECAUSE THERE'S MULTIPLE USES THAT ARE PERMITTED BY RIGHT.
WHEREAS THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR, THE MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENCE IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE, BUT DUPLEXES ARE ALLOWED WITHOUT A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
IS THAT CORRECT? I COULD NOT TELL YOU DIRECTLY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I WOULDN'T WANNA MISS MISSPEAK ON THAT, BUT, UM, I'D HAVE TO ACTUALLY LOOK INTO THAT TO REALLY DIAGNOSE HOW MANY USES ARE ALLOWED.
AND THE OTHER QUESTION IS, BECAUSE IT CAME UP BEFORE IN THE MATTER I WAS CONCERNED, WAS THAT I KNOW SOME TYPE OF RESTAURANTS ARE ALLOWED WITH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, BUT AS I RECALL IT, THERE'S SOME KIND OF LIMITATION ON IT.
DO WE KNOW WHAT THAT NOT, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THE, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO LOOK UP ON THE PHONE.
IT'S HARD TO DO IT ON THE PHONE.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO.
I'M, I'M SURE THERE ARE ANY NUMBER OF LIMITATIONS.
UH, MR. DUFFY, I, I THINK THE STAFF IS PREPARED TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AS IT PERTAINS TO THE SPECIFIC DETAILS OF THIS APPLICATION.
UH, AGAIN, IT WOULD BE, UH, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD HAVE TO DEFINITELY LOOK INTO.
IT WOULD TAKE MORE TIME THAN ME BEING ABLE TO TRY TO PULL THAT RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T HAVE THAT READILY AVAILABLE.
I WAS TRYING TO GO, WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THIS PORTION.
SO YEAH, WE WANT TO DO THE REBUTTAL NOW TO THE AGAINST, AND ONCE THEY'RE FINISHED, WE'RE GONNA ASK IF THERE'S ANY PUBLIC COMMENT FOR, AND THERE'LL BE REBUTTAL AGAIN.
JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF COMMENTS THAT I HEARD, AND FIRST OF ALL, SAY THAT I, THE BOARD NEEDS TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS IS A, A USE PERMIT APPLICATION AND YOU'RE JUST DEALING WITH WHETHER THIS SATISFIES THE USE REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE ORDINANCES AND UNDER THE PLANS OF NEWBURN.
AND I THINK OUR EVIDENCE HAS SHOWN THROUGH EXPERT TESTIMONY THAT IT DOES THIS PROJECT, EVEN IF YOU, UH, APPROVE THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION, WHICH WE THINK YOU SHOULD BASED ON THE EVIDENCE THAT YOU'VE HEARD, IS GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH SEVERAL MORE STAGES OF PLANNING AND, AND APPROVAL PROCESSES AND LICENSING PROCESSES IN ORDER TO HAVE THE SPECIFIC PRO PROJECT APPROVED.
THIS IS NOT, I MEAN, THE PLAN MAY CHANGE, IT MAY BE OTHER THINGS, CONDITIONS FOR THIS ARE NOT APPROPRIATE THIS TIME.
THINGS LIKE STORM WATER PLANS AND, AND RUNOFF AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WILL IT BE ADDRESSED WHEN THE SITE PLAN GOES THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS FOR THE SPECIFIC BUILDINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT IN ORDER TO GET THE, THE DIFFERENT, UM, APPROVALS.
TRAFFIC LIGHTING IS ANOTHER ASPECT.
AND, AND AGAIN, UM, YOU KNOW, THE,
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THE, THIS IS GONNA BE A, A, UM, A MULTI-LEVEL COMMUNITY FOR LIFE CARE.THEY'RE NOT GONNA PUT, THIS IS NOT GONNA BE TRENT OS AND IT'S NOT GONNA LOOK LIKE TRENT OS BECAUSE THEY WANT THIS COMMUNITY TO BE SOMETHING WHERE PEOPLE CAN LIVE THROUGH THE, OUT THE, THE ENTIRETY OF THEIR LIFE AND IT'S GONNA HAVE WALKING TRAILS.
AND, UH, JUST TO NOTE, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE'RE GONNA PRESERVE TREES AND THINGS LIKE THAT ON THE PLANS THAT WE'VE SUBMITTED AS A PROPOSAL.
THERE ARE TREE SAVE AREAS WHERE BIG SECTIONS OF TREES ARE GONNA BE SAVED, THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE TOUCHED.
THEY'RE GONNA BE THERE AS THEY ARE NOW.
SO, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED GOING ON.
THIS IS A, I JUST WANT Y'ALL TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS IS A USE PERMIT.
UM, YOU, UH, HEARD SOME INFORMATION.
CERTAINLY IF, UH, THERE'S A QUESTION FOR ANY OF THOSE SPECIFIC MEMBERS OF, OF THE APPLICANT'S TEAM THAT SPOKE TO THINGS, UH, THEY CERTAINLY WILL ARE HAPPY TO, TO TESTIFY, UH, AND ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
UM, BUT THE GENTLEMAN TALKED ABOUT THE FAST FOOD RESTAURANT.
I THINK WE'VE MADE IT CLEAR, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR.
THAT IS NOT ONE OF THE USES THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE GONNA PUT ON THAT PROPERTY.
THAT WAS A CONSERVATIVE IN THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS.
THEY USED THE HIGHEST NUMBERS POSSIBLE SO THAT THEY CAN DETERMINE WHETHER THE TRAFFIC IS GONNA NEED IMPROVEMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THEY TOOK A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT, WHICH IS THE HIGHEST USE, BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT'S GONNA BE THERE.
AND IF IT WAS, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA NEED TO BE, UH, GO THROUGH OTHER APPROVALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THE RESTAURANTS AND THINGS THAT WOULD BE IN THIS PROPERTY WOULD BE WITHIN THE MULTI-FAMILY BUILDINGS THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, DRAINAGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AGAIN, WILL BE ADDRESSED DURING STORMWATER, UH, EVALUATIONS.
UM, YOU ALL WILL NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHETHER ANY OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT GOT UP TONIGHT PRESENTED TO YOU, WHAT IS CONSIDERED TO BE COMPETENT EVIDENCE AND COMPETENT EVIDENCE UNDER NORTH CAROLINA LAW IS BASICALLY NOT ALLOWED.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S DEEMED INCOMPETENT IN CERTAIN AREAS.
VALUE TRAFFIC AND OTHER AREAS WHERE AN EXPERT WITNESS WOULD BE REQUIRED TO, TO OPINE ON.
AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I I HAVE TO MAKE OBJECTIONS TO, TO, YOU KNOW, TO UH, POINT THAT OUT.
UM, YOU'VE HEARD TESTIMONY TONIGHT ON THE FACT THAT THIS PROJECT IS IN HARMONY BASED ON THE FACT THAT THE ARCHITECTURE AND, AND OTHER THINGS ARE GONNA BE SIMILAR TO WHAT'S ALREADY OUT THERE AND IN, UH, UM, CAROLINA COLLEGE.
THIS IS NOT GOING TO ENDANGER PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AS THE EXPERTS HAVE TALKED TO YOU ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE UTILITIES AND WATER SERVICE AND THINGS LIKE THAT ARE GONNA BE ADDRESSED, YOU KNOW, LIGHTING, SAFETY, LIGHTING, IT'S GONNA BE MINIMIZED TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE, BUT IT'S GONNA HAVE TO COMPLY WITH WHATEVER THE LIGHTEN, UH, ORDINANCES ARE FOR THE CITY OF NEWBURG.
UM, YOU'VE HEARD FROM MR. MORGAN AND MR. MORGAN TESTIFIED THAT IN HIS PROFESSIONAL OPINION, THIS IS NOT GONNA HURT VALUES.
WHEN HE DID THAT, HE LOOKED AT COMMUNITIES OTHER INDEPENDENT, YOU KNOW, LIFE CARE COMMUNITIES WITHIN NEW BERN AND OTHER AREAS AND COMPARED THOSE IF THE, IF THERE WERE SALES OF PROPERTY AROUND THEM COMPARED THEM TO SEE IF THERE WAS IN VALUES AND HIS OPINION AND HIS PROFESSIONAL OPINION.
UH, AND AGAIN, THEN, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE GONE OVER THE LAND USE PLAN AND HOW IT PROVIDES, UM, AND HOW IT COMPLIES WITH THAT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT YOU WANTED TO ASK THE TEAM MEMBERS, BUT AGAIN, THIS, WE BELIEVE WE'VE MET THE CRITERIA UNDER THE ORDINANCE FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, UNLESS THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE THAT, UH, WANT TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF AND WE'D HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THAT TIME.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD, MR. CHAIRMAN? WHAT'S THAT? I HAVE A QUESTION IF YOU WANNA, IF YOU, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR CHRISSY MACK, PLEASE WITH MS. MAC? YES, IT WAS, UM, UH, BROUGHT UP BY ONE OF THE OTHER INDIVIDUALS IN THE ROOM.
UH, AS TO HIGH RISE, UH, I THOUGHT YOU SPOKE TO THE FACT OF THEM BEING COTTAGES, SINGLE FAMILY.
WHAT HIGH RISE MIGHT THEY, IS THERE A HIGH RISE IN THIS CLAIM? THERE ISN'T.
SO I BELIEVE A HIGH RISE BY DEFINITION IS EITHER 70 OR 75 FEET TO THE HIGHEST OCCUPIABLE FLOOR PER RR EIGHT ZONING.
UM, WE CAN HAVE A 50 FOOT MAXIMUM HEIGHT, SO OUR ONE LARGE INDEPENDENT LIVING BUILDING WOULD ABIDE BY THOSE ZONING RULES OF 50 FEET, 50 TO THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF THE ROOF.
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JUST A MINUTE.WE WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA FINISH UP WITH THE QUESTIONS, OUR QUESTIONS TO THE PRESENTERS.
AGAIN, I'M KIMBERLY BARB, I'M A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND WORK FOR STEM.
WE'RE CIVIL ENGINEERS AS WELL.
SO IN SPEAKING TO THE DRAINAGE, AGAIN, ANY, ANY PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT MUST MATCH THE PRE-DEVELOPMENT RUNOFF RATES.
SO AS IT IS A WOODED SITE, NOW WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT RUNOFF AND AS WE MENTIONED TO THE EAST IS CAROLINA LAKE, WHICH IS IN FACT A STORMWATER POND, A VERY LARGE STORMWATER POND, A VERY ATTRACTIVE ONE.
SO THE WAY THE LAY OF THE LAND IS OUR SITE IS SET AT 23 FEET ABOVE SEA LEVEL AROUND THE PENINSULA.
AND AS YOU TRAVEL DOWN TO LEE'S BRANCH, IT DOES IN FACT GO DOWN TO 11 FEET ABOVE SEA LEVEL.
SO WE HAVE THAT FALL ACROSS OUR SITE.
WHAT WE WILL BE DOING IS DEVELOPING THE PROPERTY IN A WAY THAT STORM WATER WILL FLOW TOWARDS THE EAST AS IT IS PRACTICAL TO DO, AND TO, UH, ABIDE BY THE CURRENT, UH, STORMWATER DEVICE THAT'S IN EFFECT.
AND WHAT ITS CAPABILITIES ARE.
WE ALSO HAVE A STORMWATER POND SHOWN IN THE LOWER PORTION OF THE SITE, WHICH AS WE, WE DROP DOWN AN ELEVATION PHYSICALLY WE CANNOT DRAIN TO THE EAST.
SO WE WILL AGAIN WI WITHIN THAT AREA DRAIN THE IMPERVIOUS, WHICH INCLUDES THE ROADWAYS, THE PARKING, AND THE HOUSING.
AND ALL OF THAT WILL BE HELD AT THE SAME RATE AS PRE-DEVELOPMENT AND RELEASED AT THE SAME RATE.
SO THAT IS WHAT THE STORMWATER RULES REQUIRE OF US AND WHAT OUR DESIGN WOULD BE TOWARDS.
UM, I THINK I WANTED TO ALSO MENTION ABOUT THE RIPARIAN BUFFERS AND THE WETLANDS.
WE'VE HAD THOSE MAT WE HAVE TO ADHERE TO THE RULES OF THE NORTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY FOR OUR, ALL OF OUR EROSION CONTROL AND ALSO THE BLUE LINE STREAMS. SO THE 50 FOOT RIPARIAN BUFFER THAT IS ON ADJACENT PROPERTY HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE EVER SINCE THAT MAPPING TOOK PLACE.
AND THAT IS FROM, FROM, AGAIN, OTHER LEVELS, NOT, NOT OUR INDICATION.
WHAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO DO AS DEVELOPERS IS NOT DISTURB THAT ON OUR SIDE OF THE STREAM.
THAT WILL ALSO BE SOME OF THE AREAS AGAIN, WHERE WE WILL SAVE TREES AND NOT DISTURB.
WE CANNOT GRADE IN THAT AREA OR IMPACT IT IN ANY WAY ALONG THE WETLANDS.
WE MUST STAY OUT OF THE WETLANDS AND ADHERE TO THOSE RULES.
ARE THERE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ON THOSE ITEMS? YES.
SO I GUESS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THE NOOSE RIVER BASIN GUIDELINES? YES.
WHICH REQUIRE THE 50 FOOT BUFFER.
AND WHAT'S ON THE MAP IS SHOWING 50 ADDITIONAL FEET.
BUT THAT EXISTS NO MATTER WHAT, WHETHER YOU DEVELOP OR NOT, IT'S A TOTAL OF A HUNDRED FEET.
AND AND THE IMPACTS THERE WOULD WOULD BE TO EITHER PARTY, EITHER SIDE, EITHER LANDOWNER? YES, SIR.
ANY, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? AND THEN AS TO THE LIGHTING, I DO WANNA SPEAK, UM, WE ARE EXPECTING AND ANTICIPATING THAT WE WILL PROVIDE SAFE LIGHTING WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, BUT ESPECIALLY ALONG THE LAKE AND THE AREAS FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY, WE WOULD DO WHAT'S CALLED PEDESTRIAN SCALE LIGHTING.
THAT'S 12 TO 14 FEET, I BELIEVE THE MERIDIAN.
AND WE'VE BEEN THERE AND TAKEN A LOOK.
THOSE ARE IN THE 20 TO 25 FOOT RANGE.
THEIR SHOEBOX FIXTURES, THEY'RE MUCH MORE EFFICIENT, BUT THEY ARE NOT ATTRACTIVE IN A, IN A RESIDENTIAL SETTING.
SO OUR, OUR CLIENT AND OUR DESIGN TEAM ALL HAVE AGREED THAT ANYTHING ON THE LAKE SIDE WOULD BE IN THE PEDESTRIAN SCALE AND THE TRAILS ALONG THE LAKE WOULD BE BOLLARDS OR PATH LIGHTING, AGAIN FOR THE SAFETY OF THE RESIDENTS.
BUT EVERYTHING WOULD CAST DOWNWARD AND NOT BE TO THAT SCALE.
ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? YES, YES SIR.
JUST A COUPLE OF CLOSING COMMENTS.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, IF YOU APPROVE THIS, I, I AM VERY OPEN TO MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORS ON OLD AIRPORT ROAD AND APOLOGIZE TO THEM HERE THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT.
UM, WE, WE ARE GOOD NEIGHBORS WHEREVER WE PUT A CAMPUS BECAUSE OUR NEIGHBORS ARE IMPORTANT TO US.
SO JUST YOU, YOU HAVE MY COMMITMENT THAT WE WOULD CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
AND THEN THE LAST COMMENT IS, WE STARTED THIS JOURNEY WITH A MARKET STUDY FOR NEW BERN THAT SHOWED A NEED FOR RESIDENTIAL HOUSING FOR OLDER ADULTS.
AND SO SOMEONE IS GOING TO BUILD IN, IN NEW BERN, UM, AND SOMEONE IS GONNA TAKE UP THAT NEED.
AND IF THEY DON'T, THEY'RE GONNA ALL END UP LEAVING AND THEY'RE GONNA GO TO CYPRESS GLEN IN GREENVILLE.
AND WE THINK OLDER ADULTS HAVE CONTRIBUTED A LOT TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ALL OF US.
AND WE THINK THEY DESERVE A BEAUTIFUL PLACE, YOU KNOW, FOR THEIR FINAL YEARS.
UM, AND WE, WE BELIEVE THEY DESERVE TO STAY IN NEW BERN WHERE THEY WERE LIVE MOST
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OF THEIR LIFE.SO THAT'S KIND OF THE PHILOSOPHY BEHIND THAT.
DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? OKAY.
SO WE'RE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT PHASE, WHICH WOULD BE, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC THAT WANTS TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT? ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT PART TO WHERE WE WOULD LIKE PEOPLE TO HAVE A OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL.
ALSO, AS FAR AS THE COMMENTS, IS THAT TRUE? WHERE WE'RE AT? GENERALLY THE APPLICANT HAS THE LAST REBUTTAL.
SO WE HAVE NO ADDITIONAL FOUR.
IT'S ENTIRELY UP TO YOU ALL 'CAUSE IT'S YOUR MEETING.
BUT GENERALLY THERE ARE, THE APPLICANT MAKES THEIR PRESENTATION, THERE ARE NOTIFIED OPPONENTS, NOTIFIED PROPONENTS, THEN THE APPLICANT HAS THE LAST PUBLIC COMMENTS BEFORE YOU BEGIN YOUR DELIBERATION.
IF YOU WANT TO DEVIATE FROM THAT, YOU CERTAINLY CAN, BUT, WELL, I, I MEAN, I, I THINK WE HAVE ADDRESSED, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PUBLIC COMMENT OR WE'VE AT LEAST HAD THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE'VE HAD THE, THE FOUR AND THEN THE AGAINST AND THEN THE REBUTTAL.
SO I WOULD BE FINE TO CLOSE THIS, UH, AND THEN MOVE INTO DELIBERATIONS, BUT IT'S YOU PLEASURE THE BOARD IS ANY, OKAY, SO COURT, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO GUESS WE'LL RUN TO THE START OF THE PROCESS HERE.
THE, THE SIX TOPICS, AND THE FIRST TOPIC THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT, UM, IS, IS THE APPLICATION COMPLETE? UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IN REFERENCE TO THE APPLICATION? SO IS IT Y'ALL'S PREFERENCE TO TRY TO TAKE A VOTE AFTER EACH ONE OR WAIT TILL WE GET TO THE END? YES.
HISTORICALLY, YOU'VE DELIBERATED ON EACH OF THE CRITERIA AND AT THE CONCLUSION OF THOSE DELIBERATIONS, THEN YOU WOULD MAKE SEPARATE MOTIONS EITHER APPROVING, EITHER FINDING OR NOT FINDING THOSE SIX CRITERIA.
OKAY, WE'LL, WE'LL GO WITH IT.
SO THE NEXT ONE, THE REQUEST OF PERMIT, UM, IN THE JURISDICTION OF THE TABLE AND THE PERMITTED USES, UH, I THINK WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF COMMENT.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION IN REFERENCE TO NUMBER TWO? THE ONLY THING I, ARE YOU FOLLOWING? I'M SORRY.
JUST AS ADMINISTRATIVE MATTER, MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE HERE.
WE HAVE DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT SETS.
SO YEAH, DIFFERENT SET OF NUMBERS.
UH, AS FAR AS THE REQUESTED PERMIT IS WITHIN ITS JURISDICTION, ACCORDING TO THE TABLE OF PERMISSIBLE USES, UH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY ISSUE I HAD WAS ON THE FAST FOOD, WHICH WAS THE FAST FOOD RESTAURANT, WHICH HAS BEEN SAID THAT THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS PLAN.
IN FACT, I I IT'S NOT PERMITTED BASED ON OUR TABLE OF PERMISSIBLE USES.
AND SO IF, IF, IF THAT USE WAS EVER GONNA BE PUT ON ONE OF THESE OUT PARCELS, I THINK THAT REQUIRES REZONING THAT'S NOT BEFORE THE BOARD.
UM, AND SO I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND THAT OUR PURPOSE HERE IS TO LOOK AT THE USES THAT ARE SUGGESTED IF WE LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, UM, TO MEET THE, TO GO THROUGH ON WHETHER OR NOT THE SITE PLAN AND THE, THE TESTIMONY THAT WE'VE HEARD, THE EVIDENCE THAT WE'RE HEARING ON BOTH SIDES, WHETHER IT SATISFIES, YOU KNOW, EACH OF THESE ELEMENTS.
AND I WOULD JUST SAY THAT I THINK, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE MULTIPLE USES HERE, MULTI-FAMILY POSSIBLE, YOU KNOW, NURSING CARE, UH, THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR DAYCARE, WHICH IS NOT, AGAIN, PART OF THIS SITE PLAN, BUT ALL OF THOSE ARE PERMISSIBLE USES UNDER OUR TABLE.
SO I THINK IT'S WITHIN, UH, THE JURISDICTION.
IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION? I I AGREE.
THE PROPOSED IS TO ESTABLISH MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE.
AND, AND AS WE GO THROUGH, DO WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO VOTE ON EACH OF THESE AS WE DISCUSSED THEM? I THINK THAT WAS THE, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WAS OUR, OUR QUESTION ORIGINALLY.
THAT WOULD BE THE BEST PRACTICE IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO DO.
YOU CAN DO IT THAT WAY SINCE WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE FIRST TWO.
IF, IF, YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S FINE.
UM, IF WE WANT TO DO THE FIRST TWO, UM, AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
COULD SOMEBODY READ THE, THE FIRST TWO? EXACTLY.
SO, UH, THE FIRST TWO, WE, WE DISCUSSED THE FIRST, UM, ON A DIFFERENT SET OF NUMBERS HERE, BUT THE APPLICATION IS COMPLETE.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS THE REQUESTED PERMITS WITHIN THE JURISDICTION ACCORDING TO THE TABLE OF PERMISSIBLE USES.
SO IF, IF WE'RE AT THAT POINT, WE NEED TO TAKE A, A MOTION FROM SOMEBODY AND A SECOND AND WE CAN DISCUSS AND VOTE.
I, I MOVE THAT THE REQUESTED PERMIT IS WITHIN ITS JURISDICTION ACCORDING TO THE TABLE OF PERMISSIBLE USES AND THAT THE APPLICATION IS COMPLETE.
ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY, SO WE HAVE
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A MOTION AND A SECOND AND NO DISCUSSION.SO WE READY FOR A VOTE? SO WE HAVE A ROLL CALL.
SO, SO OUR, WELL CHAIRMAN, ARE YOU ASKING FOR A ROLL CALL FOR EACH BOARD MEMBER THAT'S VOTED? I'M ASKING YOU, DO WE NEED TO DO A ROLL CALL? YEAH, YOU, YOU CERTAINLY CAN OR YOU CAN.
UM, BOARD MEMBER KATHLEEN AYE.
AND THEN, UH, BOARD MEMBER FERGUSON AYE.
ON ONE AND TWO AND BOARD MEMBER, UH, EXCUSE ME, SAMSON.
OKAY, SO NOW WE'RE DOWN TO NUMBER THREE.
UH, WHICH I'LL READ OFF THAT THE USE WILL NOT MATERIAL ENDANGER THE PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY IF LOCATED WHERE PROPOSED AND DEVELOPED ACCORDING TO THE PLANS SUBMITTED AND APPROVED THERE.
ANY DISCUSSION WITH THE BOARD? I I, I WOULD WANT TO CONDITION ADDED THAT A GREAT DEAL OF THE TRAFFIC HERE.
I'M LOOKING AT THE TABLE RIGHT NOW, AND I'M SORRY THAT'S NOT AVAILABLE TO EVERYBODY, BUT WHAT THE TABLE ACTUALLY, THE ESTIMATE WAS BASED UPON THE FAST FOOD, UM, OPERATION GENERATING SIXTEEN HUNDRED AND THIRTY SIX ONE WAY TRIPS A DAY.
THAT'S ABOUT 45% OF THE TOTAL.
THE TOTAL IS, I'M GUESSING HERE, BUT THE TOTAL IS 3,600.
IT'S ALL I GUESS, BUT, SO FOR ME IT WOULD HAVE TO BE CONDITIONAL ON THERE BEING NO FAST FOOD.
I CAN'T VOTE YES ON THE, BECAUSE THAT AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC IS GONNA HAVE A SAFETY IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE DO HAVE SCHOOL BUSES, PEOPLE CH PICKING UP CHILDREN AND THERE WILL BE, YOU KNOW, SOME TRUCK TRAFFIC BRINGING IN FOOD AND AND NECESSARY MATERIALS FOR THESE RESIDENTS.
SO FOR ME, THAT WOULD'VE TO BE CONDITIONED.
SO FROM A CONDITION, FROM A CONDITION AND A OF, IF THAT CONDITION'S ADDED, I CAN SAY YES, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THE REST OF THE BOARD WANTS TO DO.
WELL I, I DON'T THINK A, I MEAN I JUST DON'T THINK A CONDITION IS PROPER OR IS NECESSARY BECAUSE AGAIN, THE PERMISS THE TABLE OF USES, THERE IS SOME FOOD USE ON THERE.
I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT IT'S, BUT UNLESS YOU CAN TELL ME WHAT IT'S THEN YEAH, I THINK I, OR SOMETHING LIKE THINK THERE IS SOME FOOD USE.
I THINK THE RECORD EVIDENCE OF THIS CASE WAS THAT THERE WAS DINING SERVICES OFFERED WITHIN THE BUILDING THAT WAS GOING TO BE, THAT, THAT, WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING THAT I I DO NOT, THAT'S ONLY FOR RESIDENTS THE FOOD SERVICE.
I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S FROM THE RECORD EVIDENCE, I THINK THAT'S BEEN MET.
YEAH, I THINK WE'VE HEARD THAT THERE IS NO PLAN FOR FAST FOOD RESTAURANT AND I DON'T THINK THAT THIS BOARD COULD, WELL I THINK IT'S DECIDE THAT THERE IS A PLASTIC, IT'S ON SITE, ISN'T IT? IS IT ON SITE? WHAT THEY SUBMITTED? NO.
IT, ACCORDING TO WHAT I READ MR. CHAIRMAN, IT'S A MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENCE USE IS THE PROPOSAL AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FAST FOOD.
AND, AND AGAIN, JUST TO REITERATE, I THINK THE, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS TESTIMONY WAS THAT THE FAST FOOD WAS USED AS A PLACEHOLDER FOR A HIGH USE TO SHOW WHAT A USE WOULD LOOK LIKE WHEN ASKED IF THAT USE WASN'T THERE.
IT WAS HOW, THIS IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
THEY'RE SHOWING THE TRAFFIC ESTIMATE THAT THEY MADE FOR 36 0 2.
IF YOU TAKE OUT THE FAST FOOD RESTAURANT, THEN THAT GETS CUT BY LIKE 45%.
WHICH IS WHY I THINK IT'S A GOOD, GOOD PLACEHOLDER TO SHOW WHAT A DI WHAT A DENSE TRAFFIC AREA WOULD LOOK LIKE WITH THAT TYPE OF USE.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT THAT USE IS NOT IN THE SITE PLAN BEFORE US, SO I DON'T THINK IT'S IT'S NECESSARY OR PROPER TO OKAY.
MY, MY ASSUMPTION WAS TO GO ON WITH THAT, IT WAS THAT IT'D BE SIMILAR TO IF, IF THEY USED A, A HIGH DENSITY LOW SUBDIVISION ALONGSIDE AND SAID IF WE PUT THE SAME PLACE, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO WHY, I GUESS I ASKED THE QUESTION EARLIER THAT IF WE HAD A HIGH DENSITY, IF WE COULD THROW OUT A NUMBER WHERE IT WOULD BE MM-HMM.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE AT.
WE, WE HAVE THE TWO OUT PARCELS.
AND I GUESS A QUESTION TO STAFF, UM, SINCE THOSE OUT PARTIALS ARE THERE, UM, THEY ARE STILL ZONED R EIGHT, CORRECT? THEY HAVE TO, SO SO ANYTHING THAT WENT IN THERE OTHER THAN AN RRA USE WOULD HAVE TO GO TO PLANNING AND ZONING AND START THE PROCESS ALL OVER AGAIN? YES.
SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT, THAT IS WITHIN WHAT WE'VE BE DISCUSSING OR APPROVING? I, I THINK THAT'S CORRECT.
SO THERE, THERE ANY ADDITIONAL IF, UH, I JUST, UM, WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO KEEP AS MANY TREES AS POSSIBLE SO THEY DON'T UPSET, YOU KNOW, THAT UH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE ANIMALS AND STUFF, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THEY KEEP AS MANY AS, YOU KNOW, AS MANY TREES AS POSSIBLE.
BECAUSE I KNOW THE YOUNG LADY WAS SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE DEER AND STUFF, YOU KNOW, SO WE KNOW ANYBODY TO KNOW THAT WE START TEARING TREES AND STUFF DOWN.
THAT MEANS THE ANIMALS HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
BUT I JUST WANNA KEEP AS MANY AS POSSIBLE.
I'M SAY KEEP ALL OF THEM, BUT AS MANY AS POSSIBLE.
WELL THAT'S A LANDSCAPE QUESTION, WHICH WOULD
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BE DEAL DEALT WITH ON AN INDIVIDUAL, UH, AS THE PROCESS GOES ALONG, I BELIEVE.AND I GUESS THAT WAS MY QUESTION TO STAFF FROM A PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT, UM, WHERE WOULD WE BE IN REFERENCE TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN IN THE PROCESS? ARE WE, ARE WE THERE YET OR ARE WE JUST DISCUSSING THE USE? IT WOULD JUST BE THE DISCUSSION FOR THE USE AS I UNDERSTAND IT.
SO WOULD IT, WOULD IT BE, YOU KNOW, ORDINARY OR EXTRAORDINARY FOR LACK OF TWO OTHER TWO GOOD WORDS THAT WE WOULD ADD? ANYTHING TO A WORD TO SAY WOULD MAXIMIZE? THERE WOULD BE A, A PROCESS.
THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL SITE PLANS THAT WOULD BE SUBMITTED TO CITY STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN PORT WITH OUR LANDSCAPE BUFFING RULES TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE ARE SATISFIED AS TO THE SPECIFICS OF WHERE TREES WILL GO, WHERE SIDEWALKS WILL GO, ALL OF THOSE OTHER AMENITIES THAT COULD IMPACT THE, THE CONCERNS THAT, UH, BOARD MEMBER SAMPSON HAS RAISED.
AND AND JUST TO REITERATE, THE QUE, AND THIS IS REALLY QUESTION STAFF THAT CONDITION ADDING A CONDITION ON THIS, YOU KNOW, ELEMENT FOR MATERIALLY ENDANGERING THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, SAVE TREE AREAS OR YOU KNOW, TREE, UH, IS NOT REALLY PERMISSIBLE GIVEN WE ARE FOCUSED HERE ON THE USE.
AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING MORE APPROPRIATE FOR A STAFF DECISION THAT COULD BE APPEALED IF YOU KNOW UNFAVORABLE, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING FURTHER DOWN THE DEVELOPMENT LINE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO I I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS, I I DON'T THINK IT NOT ONLY NEEDS A CONDITION RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THINK WE CAN CONDITION THAT THERE ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE THAT THE USE WILL NOT MATERIALLY ENDANGER THE PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY OF LOCATED WHERE PROPOSED AND DEVELOPED ACCORDING TO THE PLAN SUBMITTED AND APPROVED.
SO MOVE, WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND.
UH, ROLL CALL AND MS. MARTY, BOARD MEMBER MARTY AYE.
NUMBER FOUR, LET THE USE MEETS ALL REQUIRED SPECIAL USES AND SPECIFICATIONS.
DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? I I WOULD JUST SAY FOR THE RECORD AND FOR THE FOLKS IN THE ROOM, YOU KNOW, THE RECORD BEFORE US THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE AND IS AVAILABLE, UH, IS NOT ONLY THE MATERIALS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED BUT STAFF COMMENTS AS PROVIDED.
AND WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS STAFF COMMENTS FROM THE DRC REVIEW PROCESS, WHICH I SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED THIS ELEMENT.
OKAY, SO I GUESS I HAVE ONE QUESTION AND, AND THAT'S JUST IN REFERENCE TO WHERE WE'RE AT, UM, PROCEDURALLY WITH IF WE CHOSE TO DO A, A CONDITION, YOU KNOW, I I THINK THAT WE DOWN AT THE END THERE IS A, AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADD A CON A CONDITION TO THE END.
SO THAT IS STILL OPEN IF WE SO CHOOSE, RIGHT? IF YOU HAVE COMPETENT EVIDENCE THAT SUGGESTS YOU SHOULD HAVE A CONDITION, YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY CONSIDERED CONDITIONS AT A LATER TIME.
UH, SO DISCUSSION, ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION? WE HAVE A MOTION.
I MOVE THAT THE USE MEETS ALL REQUIRED SPECIAL USES AND SPECIFICATIONS.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND? ALRIGHT, ROLL CALL AND UH, BOARD MEMBER MARTY AYE.
OKAY, WE'LL MOVE ON DOWN TO THE FIFTH.
THAT THE USE WILL NOT SUBSTANTIALLY INJURE THE VALUE OF ADJOINING OR A BUDDING PROPERTY OR THAT THE USE IS A PUBLIC NECESSITY OR ANY DISCUSSION? YES.
I HAVE A QUESTION IN REFERENCE TO THE WORDING.
UH, WHEN WE SAY THE USES OF PUBLIC NECESSITY, ARE WE ASKING THAT THE PERMITTED IF WE OFFER THE PERMIT THAT THAT IS A NECESSITY OR WHERE ARE WE AT DEFINITION WISE? SO IT'S IT'S SEPARATE.
ESSENTIALLY IT'S, IT'S SAYING THAT IT'S EITHER OR.
THAT'S HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.
NOT BOTH, EITHER OR NOT, NOT BOTH, EITHER OR.
I THINK, AGAIN, JUST FOR THE RECORD, BASED ON THE TESTIMONY THAT'S PRESENTED, AND AGAIN, I, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATIONS HERE FROM THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
WE ARE VERY TIED AS A QUASI-JUDICIAL BODY BY WHAT THE LAW SAYS.
UH, THE LAW, WHICH IS GENERAL STATUTE YOU CAN LOOK UP, YOU KNOW, SAYS THAT WHEN IT COMES TO THE VALUE OF ADJOINING OR ABUTTING
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PROPERTY THAT IS REQUIRED TO BE FROM A EXPERT, THAT IS EXPERT TESTIMONY.AND SO ANY EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY IS NOT COMPETENT EVIDENCE.
UH, AND SO BECAUSE OF THE PRISON AND, AND IT IS THE APPLICANT'S BURDEN HERE TO SHOW, YOU KNOW, IF THEY CAME IN WITHOUT AN APPRAISER, THEN NOT MY, YOU KNOW, MY THOUGHT WOULD BE NO, THIS IS, YOU HAVEN'T MET YOUR BURDEN THERE.
HOWEVER, BECAUSE YOU HAVE COMPETENT EVIDENCE VIA AN EXPERT APPRAISAL WHO, WHO WE HAVE THEIR CREDENTIALS THAT I THINK IS PROPER.
I WOULD JUST SAY THAT I THINK, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE MET THEIR BURDEN AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER COMPETENT EVIDENCE THAT RE REBUT TO THAT.
AND SO WITH THAT, I HAVE NO ISSUE THERE.
IS THERE ANY I AGREE WITH THE FACT OF SUBSTANTIALLY, UH, AND THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED.
THAT I, ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENT? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE THAT THE USE WILL NOT SUBSTANTIALLY INJURE THE VALUE OF ADJOINING OR ABUTTING PROPERTY OR DO WE HAVE A SECOND? OR THAT THE USE IS A PUBLIC NECESSITY? SECOND.
OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION CALL FOR BOARD MEMBER MARTY? AYE MR. CHAIRMAN? AYE.
MR. DUFFY, BASED UPON THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED, AYE AND MS. SAMSON AYE NUMBER SIX, THAT THE LOCATION AND CHARACTER OF THE USE IF DEVELOPED ACCORDING TO THE PLAN AT SUBMITTED AND APPROVED, WILL BE IN HARMONY WITH THE AREA IN WHICH IT IS TO BE LOCATED.
MR. CHAIRMAN, BASED ON THE EVIDENCE THAT WAS PRESENTED TONIGHT, UH, FEEL THAT, UH, IT WILL BE DEVELOPED BASED ON THE PLAN AND, UM, THERE ARE ENOUGH STEPS THAT HAVE TO BE MET, UM, GOING FORWARD THAT, UM, IT SHOULD MATCH THE LO THE CHARACTER OF THE, UM, USE REQUESTED.
ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? THE ONLY COMMENT THAT I WOULD ADD HERE, AND AGAIN, JUST FOR THE RECORD IN OUR DELIBERATIONS IS THAT GIVEN THE LOCATION OF WHERE THIS IS AND WHAT THE PROPOSED USE IS, WHICH IS MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENCE, WHICH IS RESIDENCE, PEOPLE LIVING HERE, THAT I THINK THAT BASED ON THAT USE AS WELL AS THE, YOU KNOW, EVIDENCE THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED TONIGHT ABOUT THE CONCEPT PLANS, WHAT THE LANDSCAPING WILL LOOK LIKE, I, I THINK IT IS GOING TO COMPORT WITH THE GENERAL AREA THAT IT IS WHERE IT'S LOCATED.
AND SO I THINK THAT THE, WE HAVE COMPETENT EVIDENCE THAT ESTABLISHES THE SETTLEMENT.
YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE APPEARS TO BE MANY AREAS THAT HAVE SIGNIFICANT BUFFERED AREAS AND TREES LEFT AND BUILDINGS FROM THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE WALKING TRAIL.
ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION QUESTION? I, I'M SORRY.
THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD HAS ENDED.
WE CAN, SO WE'RE NOT TAKING QUESTIONS WE'RE DELIBERATING WHAT I WHAT I WILL SAY, CAN WE GET ONE WEEK NOTIFICATION TO TRY TO FIND ANY PUBLIC MR. CHAIR, IT, IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO MAKE COMMENTS DURING YOUR DELIBERATION AT THIS TIME.
SO YOU MIGHT WANNA GIVE SOME TYPE OF INSTRUCTION AS TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT HOW TO COMPORT AT THIS PORTION OF THE HEARING.
SO WHAT MAY BE A GOOD SUGGESTION IS WAIT, ONCE WE'RE THROUGH, UM, AND TALK WITH THE DEVELOPERS AND TRY TO GET NAMES AND ADDRESSES IN, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE OFFERED THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS CHALLENGES AND OPPORTUNITIES AND I THINK THEY'RE MORE THAN WILLING TO DO THAT.
UM, PLEASE TRY TO, TRY TO VISIT.
UM, I I WOULD, I WOULD ALSO NOTE THAT THE GENERAL STATUTES, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE APPEALS.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE LOOKED INTO.
JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING IMPORTANT FOR THE BOARD TO KNOW IS THAT OUR, OUR DECISIONS ARE REVIEWABLE.
UM, A AGAIN, AS TO THIS ELEMENT, AGAIN, I, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE.
I THINK THE RECORD EVIDENCE MEETS THE ELEMENT.
AND SO WITH THAT, UH, I MOVE THAT THE LOCATION AND CHARACTER OF THE USE IF DEVELOPED ACCORDING TO THE PLAN IS SUBMITTED AND APPROVED WILL BE IN HARMONY WITH THE AREA IN WHICH IT IS TO BE LOCATED.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ROLL CALL.
MR. CHAIRMAN? MR. FERGUSON? AYE.
AND MS. SAMPSON? UH, I, I'LL SAY AYE, BUT IT, YOU ALL TALK ME THE DEVELOPMENT.
I'D RATHER YOU TALK TO DEVELOPER, TRY TO GET SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I HAVE TO FOLLOW THE LIST AND RULES.
AND ONE FURTHER NOTE THAT WE MIGHT AS WELL DISCUSS BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD.
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IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS THAT ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS AT THIS TIME? ANY BOARD MEMBERS TO ADD THROUGH? NO.UH, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADJOIN ADJOURN THE MEETING IF WE HAVE A MOTION.
WELL, I WAS GONNA SAY, UH, BEFORE WE DO THAT, MR. MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU WOULD AT LEAST JUST FOR THE RECORD EXPLAIN THAT THE APPLICANT'S, UH, APPLICATION APPLICATION APPROVED HAS BEEN APPROVED? YES SIR.
SO FOR THE RECORD, THE APPLICATION HAS BEEN APPROVED AND I WILL SAY THE COMMENT JUST PREVIOUSLY, PLEASE DO YOUR BEST TO STAY AND SPEAK WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT THE PERMIT AND ABOUT THE PROCESS AND WHERE WE'RE AT MOVING FORWARD.
I THINK THEY'RE PRETTY GOOD FOLKS.
AND BE MORE THAN WILLING TO TALK WITH Y'ALL.
OKAY? IS THERE TO AJOUR, MOTION TO AJOUR.
I MOVED TO, I MOVED TO ADJOURN.