Nov 07, 2023 Planning &amp; Zoning

CAN WE POSTPONE THAT UNTIL, CAN I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE POST THE NEXT UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING? ABSOLUTELY.

LIZZO IS GOING TO WITHDRAW HIS MOTION.

I THINK MS. I WITHDRAW.

MS. PASSES MOTION.

THIS IS WHY SHE'S HERE.

THAT'S A .

UM, OKAY.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? A SECOND MOTION.

OUR MOTION IS THE TABLE WILL BE ME.

I SECOND.

WE HAVE A SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

THE 32 77 OLD AIRPORT ROAD ANNEXATION.

MOTION CARRIED.

ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM FIVE A,

[5.A. 3277 OLD AIRPORT ROAD ANNEXATION Parcel Identification Number(s): 7-105-1000 Acreage: 0.89 Location: 3277 Old Airport Road Current Zoning: N/A Property Owners: Michael & Rose Miller Proposed Zoning: R-8 Applicant: City of New Bern]

AND AS, UH, MR SAYS A MOMENT HERE.

SO AS MR. CHAIRMAN STATED, THIS IS HERE THE FIRST HEIGHT IN 32 77 OLD AIRPORT ROAD.

IT HAS BEEN ADDED INTO THE CITY.

UH, THE APPLICANT JUST STARTING OFF IS ONE FOR THE, UH, CITY OF NEW BERN.

AND THE OWNERS HERE ARE MICHAEL AND ROSE MILLER.

THE PARCEL ID IS IDENTIFIED AS SEVEN NORTH CAROLINA.

THE ZONING PROPOSED FOR THE PROPERTY IS GONNA BE RESIDENTIAL FLEET, WHICH IS R DASH EIGHT.

UM, AND THE SIZING IS 0.89 ACRES.

AND JUST IN CONSIDERATION, I'LL JUST GIVE A BRIEF, UH, DESCRIPTION.

THIS IS JUST PERTAINING TO THE POWER DASH EIGHT ZONING DISTRICT.

AND THE EIGHT ESSENTIALLY IS THE REPRESENTATION FOR 8,000 SQUARE FEET, UM, WITH THE LOT, THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE.

AND ESSENTIALLY THESE ARE SOME OF THE BULLETS HERE THAT YOU CAN SEE APP, UM, THAT GIVE A DESCRIPTION FOR THE ZONING DISTRICT.

AND JUST TO READ THOSE TWO TOP BULLETS AT LEAST, UH, MICHAEL AND ROSE MILLER DID REQUEST TO BE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY'S, UH, MUNICIPAL BOUNDARY.

AND THIS WAS AT ITS MEETING, UH, HELD ON OCTOBER 10TH, 2023 OR THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN.

UM, THEY DID APPROVE THE CONSIDERATION FOR THE REQUEST, UH, TO BE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY'S MUNICIPAL BOUNDARY.

AND HERE ON THIS FIRST MAP, THIS IS A AERIAL FOR THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL SITE.

IT'S JUST REFLECTING THE SITE THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN THE ROAD.

AND HERE IS, UH, ANOTHER, UH, EXCUSE ME, THE ZONING MAP WHERE THE ACTUAL SITE, THE R EIGHT IS KIND OF REFLECTED ON WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE.

SO WE KIND OF SEE THAT, UH, ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY.

AND AGAIN, JUST TO TRY TO IDENTIFY THE SITE FOR YOU, IT'S HIGHLIGHTED THERE IN THE BLUE COLOR.

UM, THIS IS THE PROPERTY.

AND THEN, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, I DO NOT.

I'LL UP TO BOARD DISCUSSION.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

SO THE PROPERTY'S ON EITHER SIDE OF THIS ONE THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING TO BE ANNEXED IS NOT PART OF IT? NO, MA'AM.

SO DOES THIS HIGHLIGHTED AREA RIGHT HERE, UM, WITH, WITH BLUE AT SIGNIFY, THAT'S THE ONLY PART OR TO THE, UH, PROPERTY THAT'S REQUESTING AND THEY WANT TO DO THAT.

WHY? UM, THERE'S NOT A SPECIFIC, THEY TYPICALLY WANT I ACCESS

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THE CITY OF NEW BERN UTILITIES.

YEAH, RIGHT.

THIS HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.

AND THE REASON YOU'RE SEEING THIS IS SO WE DON'T HAVE TO BRING YOU 29 PROPERTIES THAT DON'T HAVE ZONING THAT HAVE GOTTEN ANNEXED INTO THE CITY.

SO YOU'RE GONNA SEE THESE COME AS, AS THE CITY ANNEXES PROPERTIES IN, UM, THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT TO ANNEX SOMEBODY IN, TYPICALLY SOMEONE FROM UTILITIES SPEAKS AND EXPLAINS WHY THE REQUEST IS BEING MADE.

AND IT'S ALMOST ALWAYS, ALMOST ALWAYS THE HOOK UP TO WATER AND SEWER.

AND SO YOU'LL PROBABLY SEE MORE COME IN, BUT YOU CAN'T FORCE GROUPS OF TO AMEX IN.

SO THEY DO 'EM ON A CASE BY CASE.

AND THIS WAS THE MOST RECENT CASE.

SO THAT'S THE ONLY PARCEL THAT THIS PERSON OWNS.

I'M NOT AWARE THAT THAT'S THE ONLY PARCEL.

I BELIEVE THEY HAVE A COUPLE MORE, BUT THIS IS IN CONJUNCTION TO THIS ONE TO EITHER SIDE.

I'M JUST CURIOUS.

UH, AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND, THAT'S THE ONLY PART THAT THEY OWN ON THIS SIDE, BUT THEY HAVE MULTIPLE PROPERTIES.

THAT MAKES SENSE.

IS THAT ARE, I'M SORRY, WE DIDN'T REALIZE I ASKED YOU TO SPEAK.

SO THE TWO PARCELS THAT ARE ON BIG CYPRESS ROAD, UHHUH , ONE IS 100 BIG CYPRESS AND THE OTHER IS 32 81 ON ROAD ARE ON PARCELS ALSO.

BUT YOU DON'T WANT THOSE ANNEXED WELL THEY, THEY'VE ALREADY GOT A SMALL STRUCTURES ON 'EM AND STUFF AND WE DON'T, WE WE'VE ALREADY GOT CITY SEWER FROM THE WAY THEY USED TO DO IT BACK IN THE DAY.

I I MOVE.

WE APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS STATED.

WE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF ALL TO EITHER APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR REZONING OR DENY THE REQUEST FOR REZONING CONSISTENCY.

WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE YES, WE DO ALL THAT.

GOT THAT.

B WEST, NEWBURN C GENERAL, UM, WE HAVE TO DO I WOULD UNDERSTAND.

SO I MOVE, WE ADOPT THE CONSISTENCY STATEMENT AND WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF BALD WOMEN TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION FOR REASONABLE.

I HAVE MOTION TO HAVE SECOND.

SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE A AYE.

ALL OPPOSED UNLESS YOU CARE PUT ON TO ITEM FIVE

[5.B. “WEST NEW BERN, PARCEL C: GENERAL PLAN” Parcel Identification Numbers: 8-209-13001 Number of New Parcels: 1 Location: 3200 Mayhew Drive Zoning: C-3 Property Owners: Weyerhaeuser Real Estate Applicant: Weyerhaeuser NR Company (C/O McKim & Creed)]

KIND.

AND THIS IS FOR, UH, SUB, OR I GUESS JUST SPELL IT OUT.

IT'S SUV.

IT'S A MAJOR SUBDIVISION 0 0 2 7 9 2 20 23 WEST NEWBURN PARK, C GENERAL PLAIN AND THE APPLICANT OWNER, UM, I DON'T WANT TO PUT YOU THE NAME, BUT I THINK IT'S WIREHOUSE, WIREHOUSE WIREHOUSE.

APOLOGIZE.

REAL ESTATE.

SO THE LOCATION IS MAYEW DRIVE IN THE WEST NEW BERN COMMUNITY.

UM, THE EXISTENCE ONLY CURRENTLY IS COMMERCIAL THREE OR C DASH THREE.

AND THE SIZE FOR THIS PARTICULAR CUTOUT IS GOING TO BE 2.61 ACRES.

AND THIS IS JUST A CONSIDERATION HERE.

IT IS ESSENTIALLY ONE LOT AGAIN TO BE SUBDIVIDED IN 2.61 ACRES, UH, OFF OF THE WAREHOUSER TRACK AND THE CITY OF NEWBURN, UH, UTILITIES JUST TO BE UTILIZED FOR THIS PROPERTY.

UM, AND HERE IN THIS STATEMENT, I'M NOT GOING TO READ THE ENTIRE UH, STATEMENT THERE, BUT IT'S ESSENTIALLY JUST GIVING YOU AGAIN WHAT THAT DISTRICT IS FOR RANCH THREE OR COMMERCIAL THREE DISTRICT TELLING YOU WHAT TYPES OF THINGS ARE ALLOWED.

ESSENTIALLY LOOK THAT TOWARDS, UM, COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL USES AND IT'S SUIT AND THIS CASE ESSENTIALLY FOR HIGH VOL, HIGH VOLUME TRAFFIC.

UM, SO GIVES YOU A BRIEF DESCRIPTION AND CURRENTLY THIS IS THE SITE FOR, THIS IS THE AERIAL FOR THIS SITE.

AND IT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN RED.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE CUTOUT THERE.

UH, ONCE AGAIN.

BUT PLEASE UNDERSTAND THE ENTIRE VIEW OF TRACK IS HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE.

THE CUTOUT IS THE RED SECTION.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST THEIR SITE ESSENTIALLY REFLECTING THAT THE CONTINUED FROM THE PREVIOUS PSYCH AND THE STAFF'S EVALUATION.

UM, ALL THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS FOR THE GENERAL SUBDIVISION, UH, PLAN APPROVAL HAVE BEEN SATISFIED.

AND LASTLY, AS FAR AS FOR PUBLIC WORKS, FIRE, WATER, RESOURCES AND UH, DEPARTMENTS, UH, HAVE REVIEWED THE PLAN AND HAVE NO OBJECTION APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK.

ANY QUESTIONS? SORT OF THE SAME OLD WITH WAREHOUSER.

WE'RE TAKING APART PIECE A PIECE.

WE WERE HERE TWO MONTHS AGO WHEN WE DID THE PART THAT'S ON TOP

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OF THE RIGHT THIS STUFF.

AND THEN I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING.

SO YOU CANCELED YOUR UH, SEPTEMBER MEETING BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING.

UM, ANDREW, WHAT'S YOUR NEXT, UM, SLIDE THEREAFTER.

THE NEXT ITEM.

UM, SO I'LL LET KNOW THE BOARD FOR ANY OTHER, AND IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, I'M GONNA TAKE A MOTION TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT.

DO WE HAVE TO DO ALL THAT OTHER UNDER? NOPE, NOT ON A SECOND MEETING.

? THIS WOULD BE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.

THIS WOULD NOT BE RECOMMENDATION.

I SECOND.

I HAVE A MOTION.

I SECOND MORE DISCUSSION.

SUPPOSED TO DO THAT BEFORE.

UM, HEARING NONE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

MOTION CARRIES ON TO ITEM FIVE

[5.C. “WEST NEW BERN, PARCEL C: FINAL PLAN” Parcel Identification Number(s): 8-209-13001 Number of New Parcels: 1 Location: 3200 Mayhew Drive Zoning: C-3 Property Owners: Weyerhaeuser Real Estate Applicant: Weyerhaeuser NR Company (c/o McKim & Creed)]

LET DO C.

FINAL PLAN CHAIRMAN FOR THE WEST NEW PARCEL.

AGAIN, UH, THIS IS THE FINAL PLAN AND HERE'S THE CONSIDERATION OF THE PROPERTY.

AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, OWNED AND APP FOR EXCUSE THE OWNER AND APPLICANT WAREHOUSE REAL ESTATE.

THE LOCATION ONCE MORE MAY DRIVE COMMUNITY EXISTING ZONE IS COMMERCIAL THREE AND ESSENTIALLY ANOTHER REFLECTION OF THE SAME SAW FROM PREVIOUS.

UM, IT'S JUST A DESCRIPTION OF THE ACTUAL ZONING DISTRICT COURTESY DASH THREE HERE, AGAIN REFLECTING THE AREA OF THE PROPERTY AND JUST UNDERSTAND IT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN RED TO BE SEPARATED.

SITE PLAN HERE, UH, FOR JUST A CONTINUED, UM, POSITION FOR THE , THE STAFF'S EVALUATION, UH, WEST NEWBOROUGH LLC COUNCIL C, UM, ONE LOT OF ESSENTIALLY 2.61 ACRES.

UH, PROCEED GENERAL PLAN APPROVAL, WHICH IT DID PREVIOUSLY, UH, FOR THE CITY OF PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD ON SEVENTH 2023.

UH, ALL TECHNICAL AND LEGAL REQUIREMENTS FOR THE FINAL SUBDIVISION PLAN APPROVED OR EXCUSE APPROVAL HAVE BEEN SATISFIED AND THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS HAS APPROVED THE BOND ESTIMATE HAS 558,840.

AND MR. CHAIRMAN, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD, I'LL TAKE THOSE.

ALRIGHT, I'LL OPEN UP THE DISCUSSION ON THE BOARD.

ROBERT, DO WE HAVE A, LIKE A LETTER? NOT THAT I'VE SEEN.

THE BOND WOULD NOT, I'M ASKING, WE HAVE A COMPLIANCE BOND.

THAT CAN WE A COPY OF THAT? ROBERT CAN, WE'RE GOOD.

HE HAVE THAT HEARING.

UH, NO DISCUSSIONS.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE APPROVE.

I ALRIGHT.

A MOTION.

A MOTION TO SECOND.

ANY MORE DISCUSSION? HEARING NOW CALL.

UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

[5.D. MAPA-002781-2023 HILLMONT REZONINGS Parcel Identification Number(s): 125 Hillmont Road (8-219-037) 135 Hillmont Road (8-219-036) 140 Hillmont Road (8-219-035) 155 Hillmont Road (8-219-010) 160 Hillmont Road (8-219-034) 175 Hillmont Road (8-219-012) 180 Hillmont Road (8-219-032) 185 Hillmont Road (8-219-013) 190 Hillmont Road (8-219-031) 221 Hillmont Road (8-219-019) 224 Hillmont Road (8-219-030) 225 Hillmont Road (8-219-020) 231 Hillmont Road (8-219-022) 236 Hillmont Road (8-219-029) 244 Hillmont Road (8-219-028) 245 Hillmont Road (8-219-2000) 246 Hillmont Road (8-219-2001) 248 Hillmont Road (8-219-2002) 261 Hillmont Road (8-219-024) 275 Hillmont Road (8-219-026) Location: Hillmont Neighborhood Acreage: 8.75 Total Acres Property Owner(s): See attachment Current Zoning: R-20 Applicant: Hilliard Thompson Proposed Zoning: C-3]

FIVE D BILL, NOT ZO.

OR MULTI-FAMILY DWELLINGS THAT ARE SERVICED WITH CITY SEWER FOR THE RAS 20 RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.

AND AS CHAIRMAN SAYS, THIS IS MONT REZONING THE REQUEST SUMMARY HERE.

THE APPLICANT WILL THOMPSON AND OWNERS, UH, SIMPLY THE, THERE IS MULTIPLE OR A MULTITUDE OF PROPERTIES.

SO I LEFT THAT TO REFER TO THE STAFF REPORT TO THE BOARD.

UM, THE LOCATION HERE IS WITHIN THE PHILMONT NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE EXISTING ZONING RIGHT NOW CURRENTLY AS IT SITS AS RESIDENCE FOR 20, WHICH IS S 20 FOR ABBREVIATION.

AND THE REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THIS FROM S 22, COMMERCIAL THREE, WHICH IS C DASH THREE.

UH, THE SIZE AND TOTALITY OF, AND THIS IS ALL THE PARCELS COMBINED WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE 8.75 TOTAL TAKERS WORTH OF ESSENTIALLY THE CHANGE FROM R DASH 20 TO C DASH THREE.

AND HERE IS A, UH, ZONING DISTRICT SUMMARY OR ANALYSIS ESSENTIALLY TO THE R 20 ZONING DISTRICT.

UM, IT BASICALLY GIVES AGAIN, A DESCRIPTION OF THE ZONING DISTRICT AND WHAT IT ALLOWS.

I'LL READ THIS FIRST BULLET FOR YOU.

UM, THE R 20 RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT IS DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE LOW DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS WITH 20,000 SQUARE FEET MINIMUM LOCKS THAT MAY NOT BE SERVICED WITH CITY SEWER SERVICE

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AND PROMOTING, UM, PROMOTING THE GENERAL PURPOSES OF THIS ORDINANCE.

A SPECIFIC, UH, INTENT OF THIS DISTRICT IS, WHICH WOULD BE TO ENCOURAGE CONSTRUCTION OF AND CONTINUED USE OF THE LAND FOR S BE SINGLE FAMILY MULTIFAMILY DWELLINGS, UM, PRESERVATION OF RURAL CHARACTER, AND ALSO TO PROHIBIT COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL USE OF LAND.

UM, DISCOURAGE ANY USE, UH, BECAUSE OF ITS CHARACTER SIZE, UH, EXCUSE ME, WOULD CREATE REQUIREMENT AND COST FOR PUBLIC SERVICES AND TO ENCOURAGE THE DISCONTINUANCE OF EXISTING USES THAT WOULD NOT THEREFORE BE PERMITTED.

SO ESSENTIALLY NOT ALLOWED.

UM, AND THEN LASTLY, TO ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT TO TAKE PLACE, A MANNER THAT, UH, PROMOTES A HEALTHY ENVIRONMENT.

AND JUST IN PLAIN ENGLISH, DESCRIBE ALL THAT'S ALLOWED IN R 20.

JUST IT'S LOAD DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

FURTHER DOWN INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

CURRENTLY VERY SIMPLY, THAT'S ALL YOU CAN DO.

YES, EXACTLY.

WHAT CAN'T YOU DO? YES, ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE VERY LIMITED SOLELY TO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

NO USE OF STORAGE, NO COMMERCIAL, NONE OF THAT LOW DENSITY, LARGE LOTS RESIDENTIAL USES.

JUST WE WE'RE ALL HERE.

THE GENERALNESS IS EXACTLY AS TO WHAT MS. RU SAID.

UH, COMMERCIAL THREE, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND GIVE THAT DISTINCTION SO YOU HAVE THE COMPARISON.

YOU CAN UNDERSTAND IT.

SO THE COMMERCIAL THREE ZONING DISTRICT ANALYSIS, THE C THREE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, IT'S ESTABLISHED, UH, FOR SPECIFIC USES SUCH AS OFFICES, PERSONAL SERVICES, AND RE UH, RETAIL AND DURABLE AND CONTINUOUS GOODS.

SO ESSENTIALLY THIS IS MORE OR LESS THE OPPOSITE IN SOME WAYS, UM, ALLOWING FOR MULTIPLE TYPES OF BUSINESS USES.

SO I'M NOT GONNA READ IT VERBATIM, BUT THAT'S ESSENTIALLY HOW THE C THREE DISTRICT IS DESIGNED.

AND JUST TO KIND OF TOUCH ON THE SAME DIFFERENCES AS TO WHAT WE WERE OR WHAT I WAS JUST SPEAKING OF, I'VE HIGHLIGHTED SOME, UH, KEY AREAS FOR PERMIT PERMITTED USES.

THE S WOULD STAND FOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUIREMENT.

THE Z IN ESSENCE ALLOWS FOR ACUTE PERMITTED MY RIGHT RESIDENTIAL USES HERE UNDERNEATH THE R DASH 20 ZONING DISTRICT.

UH, SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, SHORT-TERM RENTAL, PARTIAL HOUSE, UH, SHORT-TERM RENTAL, WHOLE HOUSE.

THESE ARE ALL PERMITTED BY WRIGHT CONFIRMING THE R DASH 20 NON-RESIDENTIAL USES, WHICH ARE, UM, A BIT DIFFERENT IN THIS CASE FOR THE R DASH 20 ZONING DISTRICT GOVERNMENT OFFICES.

UH, AND SUPPORTING SERVICES CONTAINED WITHIN FULLY ENCLOSED BUILDING SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UM, ELEMENTARY SECONDARY SCHOOLS AND OTHER FACILITIES.

SPECIAL USE FIRM.

AGAIN, I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH THE ENTIRETY OF IT, BUT I'LL KIND OF SWITCH OVER HERE TO THE COMMERCIAL SIDE.

UM, AND SO YOU HAVE SOME OF THE PERMITTED USES HERE AS WELL.

UM, THE RESIDENTIAL USES, AGAIN, SINGLE FAMILY, TWO FAMILY AND, UH, DUPLEX.

THESE ARE ALL PERMITTED BY RIGHT.

AND SOME OTHER NON-RESIDENTIAL USES THAT IT ALLOWS FOR WOULD BE, UM, SAY OPERATIONALLY DESIGNED TO ATTRACT LITTLE OR NO CUSTOMER OR CLIENT TRAFFIC OTHER THAN EMPLOYEES OF THE ENTITY OPERATING THE PRINCIPAL USE.

THAT'S PERMITTED BY RIGHT, UH, ONE THAT'S A SPECIAL USE PERMIT WOULD BE OPERATIONS DESIGNED TO ATTRACT AND SERVE CUSTOMERS OR PILOTS ON THE PREMISES.

THAT'S A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN THE CONSIDERATION HERE.

UM, PROPOSED ZONING INVOLVES 20 PROPERTIES TOTAL, UM, THAT ARE CURRENTLY ZONED FOR RESIDENTIAL USES AND ARE CURRENTLY USED FOR SINGLE FRIENDLY RESIDENCES.

ADJACENT PROPERTIES ARE ZONED PRIMARILY R DASH EIGHT FOUR A DASH FIVE, AND THAT'S RESIDENTIAL EIGHT AND OR AGRICULTURAL FIVE, WHICH ARE RESIDENTIAL AND AGRICULTURE, AGRICULTURAL NATURE.

THERE ARE TWO ADJACENT PROPERTIES THAT ARE ZONED C THREE AND C FOUR, BUT BOTH PROPERTIES HAVE FRONTED ALONG THE NC 55, UH, WHICH SHOULD BE NOTED, UH, THAT THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES HAVE OR FRONTAGE ALONG HILLMAN ROAD AND, UH, WHICH THIS MAY WILL, WHICH IS NOT STRIKE AND DOES NOT HAVE SIDEWALKS TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED IN 1953 TO BE A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION.

AND THAT'S THE MAP LOOKING PAGE AS PER THAT SECTION.

SO, AND PICTURES TO INCLUDE THE NEIGHBOR SO YOU CAN KIND OF GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING AS TO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.

SO ON THE LEFT SIDE HERE, UH, THERE'S TWO PICTURES.

ME, ESSENTIALLY MYSELF AND MR. UH, ROBERT.

WE WENT DOWN AND TOOK PICTURES.

I FOCUSED ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE HERE.

THESE TWO, UH, MAINLY IT'S JUST LIKE ESSENTIALLY ENTERING INTO THE ACROSS DOOR TO NEIGHBORHOOD, AGAIN,

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AND HERE ARE SOME SHOTS OF THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.

AND THAT'S TWO PICTURES.

UH, THAT, AND LASTLY, WE'RE GONNA, WELL NOT LASTLY, EXCUSE ME, WE'RE GONNA START TOWARDS THE AERIAL FOR THE DIFFERENT PROPERTIES I'VE SELECTED, HIGHLIGHTED IN THE RED.

UM, THERE, THOSE ARE ALL THE PROPERTIES THAT WERE FOCUSED AND IDENTIFIED FROM THE APPLICANT.

UH, AND AGAIN HIGHLIGHTED, HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE THIS TIME.

THIS IS A REFLECTION ON THE ZONING MAP JUST TO SHOW AND UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE CLOSEST AND NEARBY DIFFERENCES IN ZONING THAT ARE BEING APPLIED HERE.

AND THIS IS A VICINITY MAP FOR THE ACTUAL PARCEL BEGAN JUST TRYING TO SHOW YOU WHAT IS SPECIFICALLY BEING REQUESTED.

AND MR. CHAIRMAN, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, UM, PROBABLY BE A GOOD IDEA TO SWITCH OVER TO THE APPLICANT AND ALLOW FOR THE APPLICANT TO TAKE THOSE QUESTIONS.

BUT DO WE GET TO ASK QUESTIONS? YES, MA'AM.

IF YOU WILL DISRESPECT THE CHAIRMAN.

SO, UM, WITHOUT OBJECTION FROM FROM THE BOARD, I'M GONNA ASK THE, A APPLICANT TO COME UP.

WE'LL DO SOME BACK, SOME POSSIBLE BACK AND FORTH WITH HIM.

AND THEN ONCE HE'S DONE, WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO EVERYONE ELSE IN THE ROOM.

ONCE AGAIN, I'LL ASK YOU TO COME UP TO THE, TO THE PODIUM, UM, ONE TIME AND ADDRESS THE BOARD, NOT EACH OTHER, NOT THE APPLICANT, UM, TO BE RESPECTFUL.

AND THEN, UM, UH, MAYBE LIMITED TO THREE, FIVE MINUTES OR HOWEVER MINUTES, HOWEVER MAKES YOU FEEL.

SO, UM, WITH THAT, UH, HOW ARE Y'ALL TODAY? WE'RE GOOD.

FAMILIAR THOMPSON, UH, I DREW THIS, UM, I DIDN'T MEAN TO INCLUDE EVERYBODY'S NUMBER IN IT, BUT UH, I WAS INSTRUCTED TO GIVE A GENERAL AREA, SO THAT'S WHY EVERYBODY'S NUMBER WAS IN THERE.

UM, I OWN 1 25 MONT ROAD AND I'M INTERESTED IN TRYING TO, UM, I OWN A BARBER SHOP AND I'M INTERESTED IN TRYING TO PUT THIS BAR, OPENING A SHOP ON MY, ON MY PROPERTY.

ALL THE, ALL THE LAND ON 55 IS ZONE C THREE.

THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHAT LEADS US RIGHT TO HERE.

ALL OF THIS IS ZONE C THREE.

UM, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT BEAUTY SHOPS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, UP ON 55.

AND I WAS WONDERING WHAT IT WOULD TAKE FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

UM, I WAS ALSO INFORMED THAT IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE EASIER TO TRY TO RE UH, TRY TO REZONE THE WHOLE AREA VERSUS TO SPOT ZONING, WHICH WOULD BE MY OWN PROPERTY.

UM, I THOUGHT, THIS IS JUST MY THOUGHT, HOPEFULLY I DIDN'T TICK ANYBODY OFF, BUT I THOUGHT THAT OTHER PEOPLE MIGHT FIND A USE IN REZONING THE AREA FOR THEIR OWN PERSONAL GAIN.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE HAS PLANNED.

I'VE BEEN UP, I'VE BEEN LIVING OFF OF THE STREET FOR MAYBE, UH, 30 YEARS AND, UH, THIS IS A AREA THAT I GREW UP IN AND I FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD BE A GREAT, UH, UH, THING FOR MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, LIKE I SAID, I HAD TO GIVE AN AREA FOR ALL OF THESE, FOR ALL OF THESE ADDRESSES, SO I JUST RODE UP THE STREET, PICKED UP THE ADDRESSES.

NOT SAYING THAT THAT'S WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN, BUT THAT'S THE AREA, UH, THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE BETTER OR TRYING TO BUILD UP.

SO, UM, THE FIRST LIE THAT HE SHOWED WHERE THE, THE MOBILE HOME WE'RE AT THAT, THAT'S MY LOT.

UM, I WANT TO TRY TO MAKE THAT PART, UH, MY BUSINESS.

SO, UH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE IT WAS GOING TO TAKE.

I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS GONNA TAKE ALL THIS, BUT , UM, HOPEFULLY NOBODY'S UPSET WITH ME, BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE TAXES AND ALL THAT STUFF.

I WASN'T INFORMED THAT TAXES WOULD CHANGE OR ANYTHING FOR THE LAND.

SO I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT, BUT THIS IS JUST WHAT I'M TRYING TO WORK FOR.

GOT ONE QUESTION? YES, SIR.

UH, SIR, SIR.

EXCUSE MA'AM.

SORRY.

IT'S, IT'S NOT, WE CAN'T HAVE THAT HERE AT THIS FORM.

UM, BEFORE I MOVE UP TO THE BOARD, I DO WANT MAKE ONE COMMENT.

I KNOW YOU SAID THAT, UM, IF YOU DIDN'T NECESSARILY WANT OR NEED OR THIS HAS TO HAPPEN ON ALL THOSE PROPERTIES, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH TONIGHT.

'CAUSE ALL OF THOSE PROPERTIES YES SIR.

THAT WAS ON THE APPLICATION.

YES, SIR.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE

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DEALING WITH.

TIME.

YES, SIR.

UM, UH, THAT I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE BOARD.

CAN YOU SHOW ME ON THE MAP WHERE YOUR, WHERE YOUR, THIS IS MY, CAN YOU GO TO THE MAP? BE, COULD BE RIGHT HERE.

AT THE BEGINNING OF THE STREET, I'M CURIOUS WHY, WHY YOU DIDN'T ASK TO RESORT IN THE PROPERTY TOWARDS HIGHWAY 55 AND ELECTED.

BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE IT WOULD'VE MADE THE APPLICATION STRONGER.

LIKE WE DISCUSSED SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.

YES MA'AM.

BUT, UM, I KNOW THE, THE WALLACE FAMILY AND, UM, I, I'M JUST GUESSING, I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE, BUT, UM, I'M THINKING THAT THEIR, UH, THEIR LOT IS ALREADY ZONED C THREE BECAUSE THAT'S ZONED 20.

AND ALSO THIS, UH, THIS YOUNG LADY OVER HERE IN THE CORNER, SHE LIVES ON THE CORNER AS WELL.

AND I THOUGHT MAYBE ALL OF THOSE ARE ALREADY ZONED TO THE C THREE, TO THE C THREE THING.

SO LET'S REALLY, LET'S STUDY THIS MAP FOR A MOMENT, IF YOU DON'T MIND ME WALKING YOU THROUGH.

SO WE'VE GOT HIGHWAY 55, WHICH IS WE CONSIDER A MAIN DEVELOPED CORRIDOR, WHICH WOULD PROBABLY MAKE SENSE TO HAVE C THREE ON IT.

WE SEE SOME C THREE IN THE RED.

ACROSS THE STREET.

TWO, TWO DECENT SIZED SWATHS OF THAT.

BUT THEN THROUGHOUT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND UM, TO THE EAST THERE AND RIGHT TO THE NORTH, IT'S STILL ZONED R 20.

THAT'S THAT VERY LOW DENSITY.

LIKE WE SAW THE PICTURES OF RESIDENTIAL.

UM, YOU CAN HAVE RESIDENTIAL IN C THREE.

LET'S BE CLEAR ON THAT.

I, UH, KENDRICK SHOWED YOU THAT CHART.

IT'S, IT WOULDN'T BE MAKING ANYTHING NON-CONFORMING.

I'LL ALSO SAY WHEN PROPERTY'S ALREADY DEVELOPED, YOUR TAXES ARE BASED ON WHAT'S DEVELOPED ON THE PROPERTY, NOT ON THE ZONING.

SO IT'S NOT A TAX GO UP THING.

IT WOULD BE, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT HIS SPECIFIC REQUEST, WHICH IF WE LOOK AT JUST HIS LOT IS SO SMALL IN THAT C OF R 20, WE HAVE STATE LAW THAT THAT SUGGESTS IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE TO TAKE A REALLY TINY PIECE AND ZONE IT SPECIFICALLY FOR SOMETHING.

SO HE WAS ATTEMPTING TO LOOK AT A A LARGER AREA.

UM, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM SOME FOLKS TONIGHT THAT ARE PROBABLY CONCERNED THEY WOULD LIKE TO STAY R 20.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT.

SO IN CONSIDERING WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO RECOMMEND OR TAKE ACTION OR NOT TAKE ACTION ON TONIGHT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL THESE PROPERTIES.

YOU CAN LOOK AT JUST HIS, YOU CAN LOOK AT BITS AND PIECES.

YOU COULD REDUCE IT.

SO, UM, JUST BEAR THAT IN MIND AS YOU'RE TAKING COMMENTS.

UM, HIS END GAME HE SHARED WITH YOU, OF COURSE WE HAVE TO THINK OF ALL OF THE USES THAT YOU CAN DO IN, UM, ON ANY OF THOSE PROPERTIES.

YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO GET PERMITS TO DO ANYTHING KENDRICK SHOWED ON THAT SLIDE IN C THREE.

AND SO THAT THAT ALWAYS DOES IT CONCERNS, IT CAN CONCERN PEOPLE WHEN YOU'RE TYPICALLY COMING FROM A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN PEOPLE COULD COME IN AND PUT COMMERCIAL, NOT NOT JUST HIM, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BIG PICTURE.

WE KNOW HIS KIND OF END GAME WOULD, HE WOULD LIKE TO BE 'CAUSE HE SHARED THAT HE DIDN'T HAVE TO.

BUT WE NEED TO CONSIDER EVERYTHING ON THOSE NON-RESIDENTIAL USES WOULD BE ALLOWED THERE.

AND WHETHER OR NOT AFTER WE LOOKED AT PICTURES OF THAT, THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.

THANK YOU FOR COMMENT.

BUT WE COULDN'T ADD PROPERTIES TONIGHT.

WE CAN ONLY TAKE AWAY THE PROPERTIES TONIGHT.

I THINK TONIGHT IT WOULD, I YEAH, YOU, WE CAN'T ADD ANYTHING IN THAT HASN'T BEEN ADVERTISED, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY REDUCE OKAY.

GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO ANOTHER.

SO WHAT HAS TO BE CONSIDERED IS ON THE APPLICATION, REMOVING PROPERTIES VIA THIS CONVERSATION WOULD BE CONSIDERED SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF CONDITIONS.

AND THIS IS NOT A CONDITIONAL REZONING, THIS IS A STRAIGHT REZONING.

SO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT YOU COULD DECIDE THEY COULD, THEY COULD TAKE, THEY COULD SHOP PROPERTIES FOR IF THEY WANTED TO JUST RECOMMEND ONE, RIGHT? THEY CAN, IF THEY MAKE THE FINDINGS THAT SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES ARE CONSISTENT WITH LAND USES AND WHATNOT AND THEY CAN RECOMMEND THAT THEY FIND THAT SOME ARE NOT, THEY CAN FIND THAT THESE ARE, THOSE PROPERTIES ARE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH ADJACENT LAND USES AND LAND CLAIMS AND RECOMMEND ACCORDING.

NOW IF YOU NEED AN ADDITIONAL OBJECT ON THAT OR YOUR STAFF REPORT ACTUALLY REFLECTS WHAT ALL ADDRESSES ARE IN THIS PARTICULAR REQUEST, YOU REFER BACK TO.

ABOUT HOW THE STATE LAW TELLS US WHEN WE HAD VERY SMALL TRACKS AND A LARGER TRACK THAT IS GENERALLY NOT FAVORABLE OR THINKING ABOUT REZONING.

BUT YOU MADE THERE IN MIND, UM, MADAM DIRECTOR'S EARLIER COMMENTS

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CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT, UH, TO THAT, TO THAT PAGE WHERE YOU HAD IT SPLIT FROM RESIDENTIAL TO UH, R 12 TO UH, YEAH, PRETTY MUCH SIMILAR.

I WOULD TELL YOU THIS, NOT JUST THIS BOARD BUT THE BOARD OF ALL, WELL NOT JUST BE CONSIDERING WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH, BUT WHAT THE FUTURE USES ARE IS THAT, I MEAN YOU COULD SELL IT AND THEN SOMEBODY ELSE COULD DO SOMETHING AND GOING BACK DOWN INTO ZONING IS MORE DIFFICULT THAN COMING UP WITH THAT.

WHAT ELSE COULD BE PUT THERE ON C THREE? I MEAN, UM, ON THAT LIST YOU TO THE RIGHT SIDE, IF YOU DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN, YOU CAN SEE AT THE TOP OF SAYS C THREE.

IF YOU GO DOWN IT SAYS THERE'S A PORTION THAT SAYS NON-RESIDENTIAL USES ALL OF THOSE LINE ITEMS WITH AZ ARE PERMITTED BY RIGHT? AND THEN THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE SPECIAL USES, BUT THOSE ARE THE NON-RESIDENTIAL USES THAT ARE PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN C THREE ZONING CLASSIFICATION.

IS THERE ANY EFFECT ON THE CITY? ARE THERE SERVICES THAT HAVE TO BE ADDED TO THIS AREA? NOT BY VIRTUE OF CHANGING ZONING IN AND OF ITSELF.

IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT THAT WE THINK TO GENERATE OR TO ALLOW HIGH VOLUME TRAFFIC GENERATION ON A DEAD END ROAD.

SO IF THE BUSINESS CAME IN THAT WAS PERMITTED AND THAT ZONING CLASSIFICATION THAT COULD TRIGGER OTHER REQUIRE.

MS. UH, BOARD HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO.

ALRIGHT SIR.

THANKS GUYS.

WE'RE GONNA ALLOW, UM, BEFORE ANYONE ELSE TO COME UP MEMBER TO ADDRESS THE BOARD, NOT THE APPLICANT.

UM, WITH WHATEVER YOUR CONCERNS ARE, UM, PERTAINING TO RECEIPT AND MR YOU MIGHT HAVE WHOEVER WHO'S GOING TO SPEAK, YOU MIGHT, YOU MIGHT HAVE WHOEVER'S GONNA SPEAK ONE SECOND SIR.

YOU MIGHT HAVE WHOEVER'S GONNA SPEAK TO GIVE THEIR NAME AND ADDRESS.

THAT MIGHT HELP THE BOARD.

OKAY, LET'S DO THAT.

YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? MY NAME IS ERNEST WILLIAMS. UH, TWO LOST 180.

AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHICH LOT IT WAS THAT THE APPLICANT WAS, UH, WANTING TO BE REZONED.

I'M LOOKING, I DIDN'T, APPARENTLY I MISSED 1 25.

1 25 LOOKING UP THERE THE TOP, ISN'T IT THE TOP? THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD WAS WHY ALL THIS AND THESE TWO LOTS IN THESE HERE IN PARTICULAR NOT, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE, SO THAT WAS NOT PART OF THE APPLICATION.

EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THE BLUE WAS PART OF THE APPLICATION.

AND JUST TO LIKE CLARIFY, LIKE I MENTIONED, WE CAN'T ADD OR SUBTRACT, WE CAN'T ADD OR SUBTRACT FROM THE APPLICATION.

WE CERTAINLY CAN RECOMMEND THAT.

AND IF THE APPLICANT CHOOSES TO AMEND HIS APPLICATION MOVING FORWARD, THAT'S, THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE.

BUT WE, WE CANNOT DO IT AS A FUNCTION OF A CONDITION.

ALL RIGHT.

SO FOR ALL INTENT AND PURPOSES OF WE CAN'T CHANGE THAT.

NO.

THE BOARD NOR NOR STAFF.

OKAY MA, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.

I OWNED THE LOT ON 2 24 GILMORE AND JUST, UH, THE MAP BEFORE THAT SHOWED A SHORT TERM RENTAL.

WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT INVOLVE? WHAT DO YOU MEAN WITH SHORT TERM RENTAL? SO A SHORT TERM RENTAL NOW IS KIND OF LIKE A, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH AIRBNBS FOR THAT TIME? TYPE OF, YOU MEAN YOU CAN'T RENT IT OUT TO A FAMILY LIKE A 12 MONTHS LEASE? SO WHAT IT ESSENTIALLY, I MEAN IT'S A PERMITTED RIGHT ACTUALLY RIGHT NOW, UH, FOR RESIDENTIAL OR IT'S BOTH WAYS C THREE AND AN R DASH 20 BE DONE.

I MEAN, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THAT'S WHAT I HAVE THE RENT.

IF YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE HE WANTS A BARBER SHOP AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THEN IT INVOLVES THIS KIND OF, UH, THOSE ARE JUST EXAMPLES OF USES THAT CAN BE APPLIED TO EACH DISTRICT.

UM, IT'S NOT SAYING THAT IT'S HAPPENING, UM, PER SE, BUT IT'S JUST A COMPARISON SO THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCES.

AND ALSO I CAN SEE A BARBER SHOP MAYBE NOT BEING A PROBLEM, BUT THEN YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER BUSINESSES ARE ALLOWED TO COME IN.

AND NOT BE, YOU KNOW, SAFE ENVIRONMENT.

, I DON'T WANT THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO BE TOTALLY RUN DOWN WHERE FAMILIES ARE LIVING

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WE'VE HAD THAT SINCE THE SEVENTIES AND HAVE NOT HAD ANY PROBLEM AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT GO DOWNHILL AND YOU KNOW, BE TAKEN OVER WITH ANYBODY COMES ALONG.

I WANT A BUSINESS BY MY HOUSE, BUT YOU KNOW THAT I'M HOPING THAT YOU WILL CONSIDER.

MM-HMM, .

UM, ONE OTHER I'M NOT, GO RIGHT AHEAD.

GOOD.

UH, MY NAME IS CARL DAVIS.

I OWN 2 25 HILL MOUNT ROAD.

UM, ON THE PROPERTY, THE PROBLEM THAT I HAVE WITH THE WHOLE SITUATION IS I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YOU PUTTING THE BARBER SHOP ON THIS PROPERTY, BUT ON THIS MAP IT SHOWS THAT THE SITE IS BACK HERE WHERE IS PETITIONED FOR? NOT UPFRONT.

UH, SECOND THING IS, THERE IS NO WAY TO TURN AROUND NOW ON THAT ROAD, THE CITY TRUCKS HAVE TO BACK ALL THE WAY BACK OUT TO GET DOWN THAT ROAD.

NOW WE HAVE KIDS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT PLAYS IN THE AREA.

IT'S NOT A PLACE FOR THAT.

AND I KNOW YOU SAY THAT THE TAXES NOT GO UP, BUT THE TAXES AREN'T GOING TO GO UP.

YOU SAY THAT NOW, SIX MONTHS FROM NOW YOU ARE RAISE OUT TAXES BECAUSE YOU DONE CHANGED IT FROM A RESIDENTIAL TO AND I'M TOLD I CAN'T SIR.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SIR.

UM, AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT, AFTER THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND HAROLD CRUZ, I LIVE AT 2 24 HILLMAN, I LOOK DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THAT SITE AND IF YOU GO BACK TO YOUR PICTURES THERE, ONE MORE, ONE MORE.

BACK UP BACK.

YOU GOTTA GET THAT LITTLE RED SHED THAT HE'S GOT IN THE CHART.

THE GUY NEXT TO ACROSS THE STREET.

I LIVED RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT GREEN HOUSE.

WE MAY NOT HAVE THAT PICTURE.

YOU HAVE IT, YOU HAVE IT.

YOU HAD THE PICTURE I SAW RIGHT THERE.

RIGHT THERE.

BUT ANYWAY, HE'S GOT RIGHT HERE.

MM-HMM? HE'S GOT 2100 AND PORTED TIRES.

MOMMY'S UNLOADING THE GROCERIES.

SO IF YOU OWN IT FOR BUSINESS, THE FIRST THING HE'S GONNA DO, HE IS ALREADY GOT A TIRE MACHINE, GOT 2100 MOTOR TIRES IN THAT SHED, HE'S GONNA OPEN UP A TIRE STORE AND WE'VE GOT KIDS DOWN THERE A YEAR AND A HALF, THREE YEARS OLD, FOUR YEARS OLD.

WE GET SOME NUT COMING DOWN.

WE GET NEW TIRES, RUNS OVER A KID.

THE ROAD'S 11 AND A HALF FEET WIDE.

HALF OF THE PEOPLE DON'T PUT THEIR TRASH BARRELS ON THEIR LAWN.

THEY KEEP 'EM ON THE EDGE OF THE ROAD.

SO IF YOU GOT TWO CARS, AVERAGE, AVERAGE CAR IS SIX, SIX AND A HALF FOOT WIDE, YOU'VE GOT TWO CARS COMING.

TRASH BARRELS ARE IN THE ROAD, YOU CAN'T DO IT.

YOU GOTTA STOP AND LET THE OTHER GUY GO.

BUT HIS THE IDEA OF HIM WANTING TO CHANGE A LOT TO TO COMMERCIAL, HE'S ALREADY GOT THE TIRE CHANGING MACHINE.

HE'S GOT EVERYTHING SEVEN, HE'S GOT OVER 2000 TIRES IN THAT SHED AND WE CAN'T HAVE A TIRE STORE ON OUR STREET.

I MEAN, I LOOK DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM IT AND I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ALL DAY.

I'M 72 YEARS OLD, I GOT ROOM WITH WHITE LUNG I'M NOT GONNA PUT UP WITH THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY.

THANK YOU SIR.

GO AHEAD.

YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE COME.

RON WIFE, MY WIFE LINDA, US OVER HERE.

WE'VE LIVED ON MONT FOR 25, 26 YEARS.

WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY AS A COMMERCIAL AND EVERY IN TO KEEP IT.

ALL THE ARGUMENTS THAT CAROL MADE WERE GOOD ONE.

MY NAME IS MARCUS MCDONALD.

, WHAT WAS YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD SIR? 2, 4, 5.

WE KIND LIVE ACROSS FROM ALL THAT.

YEAH, WE LIVE ALMOST DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THANK YOU SIR.

DO I HAVE TO STAND UP THERE? YES SIR.

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UM, I'M ONE 70 PHILMONT.

I JUST RECENTLY GOT MY PROPERTY THERE AND UM, I HAVEN'T, LIKE I'M IN THE PROCESS OF PRINTED OFF.

I JUST GOT, UM, SOUTHERN VALUES TO DO MY, UM, DO MY LINE, MY PROPERTY LINE.

I'M REALLY WANTING TO KEEP IT RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE I REALLY, THIS IS LIKE THE FIRST PLACE WHERE I WANT TO STOP MY FAMILY, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND I'VE LOOKED ALL OVER EVERYWHERE AND THIS IS A QUIET PLACE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I WOULDN'T KEEP IT THAT WAY.

BUT ALSO I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE I'VE HAD MY OWN BUSINESS TOO AS WELL.

CONCRETE BUSINESS.

SO MY DAD RECENTLY PASSED AWAY.

MY MOM, MY DAD AND MY BROTHER RECENTLY PASSED AWAY.

SO THAT'S WHY I GOT THE PROPERTY WITH THE ONE THAT INHERITED.

SO I MEAN I REALLY WANT THIS PROPERTY, BUT I WANNA KEEP IT RESIDENTIAL.

BUT I DO UNDERSTAND WITH WHAT HE'S TRYING TO DO, IF, IF HE DOES HIS OWN PROPERTY, HOW WOULD THAT, THAT WOULDN'T AFFECT NONE OF ANY OF OUR PROPERTIES.

THAT WOULD BE SPOTS SEVEN, WHICH IS INCONSISTENT WITH SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT WOULD GIVE HIM A SMALL, IT WOULD JUST SHOOT HIS PROPERTY THEN AND THAT WOULD GIVE HIM A SMALL CHANCE OF ACTUALLY GETTING ON HIS ACTUALLY NO, THAT WOULD MAKE IT SIGNIFICANTLY HARDER TO DO THAN IT'S SO NOW, SO NOW, OKAY, SO IF WE DO, IF WE DO CHANGE THE ZONING AND IT DOES GO TO THE BUSINESS, LIKE I SAID, ANYBODY CAN COME IN AND PURCHASE OUR LAND AND COME IN AND TRY TO DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH IT AND SAY, HEY, WE WANT TO OPEN UP A WALMART HERE OR WHATEVER.

THEY CAN, THEY, THEY CAN PERSONALLY ANYTHING THAT'S IN THOSE PERMANENT USES.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

CORRECT.

NOT A WALMART PER SE, BUT ABSOLUTELY.

THERE'S MORE TO IT.

THERE'S A WHOLE LIST.

BUT BASICALLY THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THEY COULD DO ON THAT.

NOW ONE, ONE OTHER THING I'VE BEEN WAITING TO SAY WE'RE THIS BOARD IS ONLY MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF ALMAN.

THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN.

IF WE RECOMMEND TO DO IT WITHIN, HAVE TO GO ONE AND THEY WOULD PUBLIC COMMENT AS WELL.

SO I GOTCHA.

WE'RE NOT MAKING THE FINAL DEAL HERE.

WE'RE JUST, SO IF THEY, IF THEY DID, OKAY, SO THIS IS MY LAST QUESTION.

I'M LEAVING.

SO IF THEY DID THEN LIKE I JUST, I I'M LEAVE BUT I, ALRIGHT.

DOES, UH, ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC OKAY, NAME AND ADDRESS FOR UH, THOMPSON? I LIVE AT 2 61.

THAT'S THE SECOND TO THE LAST ON THE LEFT.

UM, I'M NOT DISPUTING ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO DO BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, BUT, UH, SPEAKING FOR ME, I'M, I'M PROBABLY A FACILITY PEOPLE THAT I'VE LIVED THERE.

WE'VE ONLY BEEN THERE 30.

I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN THERE BEFORE.

WE WERE, SOME OF US HAVE BEEN THERE BEFORE WE WERE THERE, BUT YOU KNOW, MY FAMILY'S BEEN THERE 30 YEARS AND I WOULD LIKE TO PRESERVE IT THE WAY IT IS.

I WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE ANYBODY HAVE, UH, ACCESS TO BUILD ANY COMMERCIAL THINGS NEXT TO WHERE THESE KIDS PLAY AT.

SO I I DO AGREE THAT, UH, WE SHOULD KEEP IT RESIDENTIAL FOR ALL LESS.

IS THERE ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO? NOTHING.

THAT'S IT.

I LIVE AT UH, 2 48.

UM, MY CONCERN IS, UM, YOUR NAME SIR.

THE TIRES THAT ARE SITTING THERE.

I WORK AT A TIRE STORE, SO I HEAR THAT ALL DAY LONG.

AND I'VE SEEN THE, THE TIRE SITTING THERE AND THAT WAS MY MAJOR CONCERN.

THAT'S WHAT THIS WAS GETTING TURNED INTO.

UM, THE ROAD IS NOT SERVICE ABOARD OR ANY TYPE OF BUSINESS ON THAT ROAD.

ALL UM, I LIVE AT THE LAST HOUSE ON THE RIGHT.

PEOPLE TURN AROUND IN MY DRIVEWAY CONSTANTLY.

THEY DRIVE THROUGH THE NEIGHBOR'S YARD THROUGH HIS YARD ACROSS THE DRIVEWAY TO GET OUT.

UM, IT'S, IT IS KIND OF A NIGHTMARE LIVING WHERE AT THE END OF THE ROAD.

I DON'T THINK IT IS THE RIGHT MOVE FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND I DON'T THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING DOWN THAT ROAD KNOW IT'S A DEAD END EVEN THOUGH IT IS POSTED DEAD END.

UM, AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU GET TWO CARS COMING, ONE HERE AND ONE THERE.

LIKE THEY'VE SAID, IT'S, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO NAVIGATE THAT ROAD.

SO, UM, I'M, I WISH YOUR LUCK WITH, WITH THE, WITH THE BARBERSHOP.

UM, BUT IN THIS SETTING,

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WHAT'S YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, SIR? UH, TOM .

ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO SPEAK THERE? NONE.

UH, SIR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO? YEAH, I WAS TRYING ONE MORE ADDRESS.

I WAS TRYING TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING, UH, FOR A CAR SHOP WOULD THERE BE ZONE UNDERNEATH THE C THREE ZONING? ALRIGHT, FOR A CAR SHOP WE'D HAVE TO PROBABLY HAVE TO SPECIFICALLY TRY TO TRACK THAT DOWN AND LOOK AT IT, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT C3 COULD FALL INTO, THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO BECAUSE THE WAY THAT OUR ORDINANCE IS CURRENTLY, THERE'S MULTIPLE USES THAT UM, SO, UM, AS FAR AS THE PARKING AND STUFF, I COULDN'T FORM THAT PARKING ON MY OWN PROPERTY FOR MY OWN BUSINESS.

I DON'T WILL YOU, SO SAYING IF I, IF I BUILT A BUILDING ON MY, ON MY, ON MY LOT AND I SUPPLIED PARK IT ON MY OWN LOT, THEY WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE TO GO DOWN THE STREET.

NOTHING.

THEIR CONCERNS ARE OTHER PEOPLE COULD DO THE SAME THING PAST YOU AND, AND THAT, AND IT WOULD GENERATE THE TRAFFIC BECAUSE THAT THIS CHANGE WOULD ALLOW THAT.

UM, UNFORTUNATELY IT IS ALL THE SURROUNDING.

THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ISSUE WITH THAT.

UM, OKAY.

UM, SO, UH, WITHOUT OBJECTION, I'M GONNA MOVE TO DISCUSSION WITH THE BOARD.

I'LL COMMENTS ON THE, I THINK THESE, ALL, ALL THOSE PROPERTY, WELL I UNDERSTAND , COULD YOU GIMME A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'RE CHARGED WITH FINDING HERE AS WE DISCUSSED ALREADY? ABSOLUTELY.

IT'S GONNA GO IN THE WAY, RIGHT? YES SIR.

ULTIMATELY THIS MATTER CAN, UNLESS, UNLESS HE WANTS TO WITHDRAW HIS APPLICATION.

IF THE APPLICANT CHOOSES TO WITHDRAW HIS APPLICATION, THEN THERE'S NOTHING FOR YOU ALL TO DO.

IF THE APPLICANT MOVES FORWARD WITH HIS APPLICATION, THEN YOU ALL ARE CHARGED OF MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF BALTIMORE.

YOU CAN RECOMMEND CHANGE THE CHANGE OR YOU CANNOT RECOMMEND THE CHANGE.

UM, AND THAT RECOMMENDATION HAS TO BE BASED ON A STATEMENT OF EITHER CONSISTENCY OR INCONSISTENCY BASED ON THE FACTS CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION.

THE STAFF REPORT AND THE COMMENTS THAT YOU RECEIVED THIS EVENING.

YOU CAN REFLECT UPON, UM, HOW THIS PROPOSED ZONING, UM, IS IN HARMONY WITH THE SURROUNDING USES.

UM, DOES IT COMPORT WITH OUR, UH, LAND USE PLANS.

YOU REFLECT ON ALL THAT INFORMATION AND THEN YOU DECIDE WHETHER THIS REQUEST IS CONSISTENT OR INCONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN OF THE CITY OF MOVEMENT.

THE BOARD CLEAR ON THAT? MM-HMM, AND IS THAT ALL, UM, WELCOME MORE DISCUSSION OR ENTERTAIN MOTION ON ASSIGNMENT.

BUT THE STEP ONE WOULD BE DO YOU ALL TO MAKE A DETERMINATION ABOUT WHETHER THIS REQUEST IS CONSISTENT OR INCONSISTENT? THERE YOU GO.

I THINK IT'S INCONSISTENT.

I THINK IT SHOULD STAY BUT I MEAN I THINK YOU SHOULD STAY RESIDENTIAL.

I WAS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE APPLICANT TO MAKE A CHANGE.

IF YOU COULD GET THE FRONT PROPERTIES MAYBE TO BE WANTING TO BE AC THREE AND COME BACK TO YOUR BOX AND LEAVE THE REST.

YEAH, WE'RE NOT SAYING WE'RE NOT GRANTED NO, WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS.

NO.

SO BUT, UM, DIDN'T CHANGE THOUGH.

UM, FAIR ENOUGH.

UM, WE AREN'T GONNA DO ANYTHING.

IN NATURE AND THIS PROPOSAL WILL BE INCONSISTENT WITH THE RESIDENTIAL NATURE OF THIS.

UM, JUST WANNA PUT THAT OUT THERE.

UM, SO IS THAT A MOTION? HAVE I, UM, A MOTION OF INCONSISTENCY BASED UPON, BASED UPON RESIDENTIAL TO R TWENTIES WANTING TO CHANGE IT TO AC SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT YOU'RE MAKING A MOTION TO FIND THAT THE PROPOSAL IS INCONSISTENT IN THAT THE ADJACENT LAND USES ARE RESIDENTIAL

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THAT'S WHAT I HEARD.

MOTION.

I SECOND WHAT SHE SAID.

ALRIGHT, I HAVE A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? MOTION? HEARING NONE.

I'M GONNA GO FOR A, UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

A ALL OPPOSED THAT PART PASSES.

NOW WE'RE LOOKING FOR A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF ALL OF THEM.

STEP TWO, BASED ON WHAT I HEARD THE MOTION TO BE THAT THIS PASSED, THAT THIS MOTION WOULD BE TO NOT RECOMMEND THE CHAMBER'S ZONING AS IT PERTAINS TO NEXT MOTION.

I MOVE THAT WE DON'T RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD OF DERMAN TO APPROVE THIS AS, AS IT AS IT STANDS.

I HAVE A MOTION.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

I HAVE A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

MOTION CARRIES.

UM, ONE ITEM BEFORE WE GO, BEFORE EVERYBODY CLEARS OUT, I'M JUST TAKING A BRIEF NOTICE SO EVERYBODY CAN LEAVE.

UM, THIS ITEM CAN STILL GO IN FRONT OF THE BOARD OF ALL, UM, IF IT DOES, I KEEP WATCH ON ON THEIR MINUTES OR THEY'RE ON THEIR AGENDAS, THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC COMMENT YOU CALL FREE IF THIS GOES FORWARD TO GO THERE AND MAKE THOSE COMMENTS AS WELL.

AND WE'LL BE NOTIFIED THE LETTER THAT YOU RECEIVED FOR THIS MEETING YOU'LL ALSO RECEIVE FOR THE BOARD OF ALL.

ALRIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO, UH, THAT EVERYBODY'S LEFT.

UH, BEFORE WE LEAVE THAT ITEM, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? SO THE DISCUSSION ABOUT, WELL INSTEAD OF ALL THE PROPERTIES ALL THE WAY DOWN THE ROAD, WHAT ABOUT THE PROPERTIES UP? BECAUSE IF, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT THIS IS REALLY R 20 AND YOU'VE GOT A BUNCH OF RESIDENCES WITH A DEAD END ROAD, EVEN THAT TO ME DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE.

SO THERE'S A BACKSTORY ON THIS.

BACK WHEN SETH WORKED HERE, UM, HE CAME IN WITH A QUESTION, EXPLAINED THE SPOT ZONING SITUATION, WE TALKED THROUGH SOME OPTIONS OF DOING A HOME OCCUPATION.

UM, HE WASN'T INTERESTED IN DOING THAT.

MORE RECENTLY A COMPLAINT WAS FILED AND HE WAS USING HIS PROPERTY FOR STORAGE, WHICH IS NOT ALLOWED.

AND HE, HE WAS LIKE, WELL WHERE IS STORAGE ALLOWED OR CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

NO, THAT'S THAT'S CORRECT.

HE SAID, WELL I'D LIKE TO ASK TOONE IT.

HE WENT BACK TO THE, THE UM, CONVERSATION WITH SETH AND I HAD SAT IN THAT CONVERSATION AND I SAID, IF YOU ARE GOING, I SAID, LOOK, IF YOU'RE NOT IN A RUSH, WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THE ZONING MAP AND ALL THE ZONING LAWS, YOU KNOW, WE COULD POTENTIALLY LOOK AT THIS AREA COMPREHENSIVELY 'CAUSE WE'RE ABOUT TO START A DEEP DIVE LOOKING AT WHATEVER THING.

SO RIGHT, LITERALLY LIKE MONDAY WE'RE GONNA START THAT.

AND UM, I EXPLAINED ALL THIS AND WE WALKED THROUGH EVERY POSSIBLE OPTION AND ONE OF MY OPTIONS WAS I SAW C THREE UP HERE AND THIS IS A HIGHWAY KNOWING HE WAS, I THOUGHT HE WAS AROUND HERE.

AND CERTAINLY NOT GONNA PASS JUST THE ONE LOT EITHER WAY.

THAT ASKING FOR ROAD FRONTAGE PROPERTY UP UP TO THERE WOULD MAKE IT A STRONGER APPLICATION.

I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW WE GOT TO ASKING FOR HERE, BUT THIS FORWARD WOULD'VE BEEN A PRETTY STRONG YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I JUST CIRCLED ON THERE.

WE GOT ADJACENT C THREE RIGHT HERE AND WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN BEHIND THAT.

I THINK THERE WAS A SENSE THOSE OWNERS WEREN'T GONNA GO FOR THAT AND PERHAPS, BUT I GOT A SENSE FROM HIM THAT HE DIDN'T REALLY INTEND FOR ALL OF THAT TO BE NO.

AND SOME INDIVIDUALS DO, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD STILL HAVE THE WE'RE NOT MAKING ANYTHING, UH, YOU KNOW, NON-CONFORMING AND I THINK, WELL I'M DOING PEOPLE A FAVOR AND I BELIEVE THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME GOOD INTENT IN ME, THOUGHT HE HAD SOME SUPPORT.

UM, SO THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN.

WE'RE GONNA TALK WITH HIM TOMORROW AND ADVISE OF HIS OPTIONS.

STATE LAW IF YOU TAKE, GO TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEY DENY IT, WHICH I CAN'T SAY FOR CERTAIN, IT WOULD BE DENIED.

I FEEL PRETTY CERTAIN THIS, IT'S NOT GONNA PASS LIKE THIS

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UM, YOU CAN'T ASK TO DO A ANOTHER ZONING CHANGE FOR 12 MONTHS, SO YOU'RE STUCK.

WHAT HE COULD DO IS, IS WITHDRAW THE APPLICATION HE HAS AND COME ASK FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

AND THAT WOULD'VE IN THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE HOLDING ON HOPE TO SOMETHING THIS FORWARD UP HERE IS A MUCH BETTER APPLICATION.

THIS AND THE OTHER THING THAT I CITE, LET'S ALWAYS LOOK AT THE CONDITIONS OF THE ROADS AND, AND OUR UTILITIES AND OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.

THAT ROAD CAN'T HANDLE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

THAT ALONE IS REALLY STRONG INCONSISTENCY THING, BUT I THOUGHT Y'ALL DID GREAT TODAY.

UM, PROBABLY WHEN WE REDO OUR PROCESSES, INVITING PEOPLE TO THIS BOARD, WE'RE GONNA START MEETING DOWNTOWN AT CITY HALL.

IT COME JANUARY.

UM, BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE PROCESS.

PEOPLE TO LEARN THEY'RE INTERESTED.

UM, THEY CAN, THEY HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING BEFORE IF THEY'RE STANDING IN FRONT OF ME AT A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE FIRST TIME AND I'M LIKE, HEY AND ALL THESE PEOPLE I'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE.

UM, SO I'M NOT SURE HOW THIS WILL BE INVOLVED BEFORE, BUT KUDOS TO YOU GUYS.

YOU HANDLED OUR THIS PROCESS VERY WELL TONIGHT.

UM, BUT YEAH, THIS I'M NOT QUITE SURE THE THOUGHT PROCESS ON, BUT MY POINT IS, EVEN THE ONES UP TOWARDS THE ROAD TO ME, I MEAN YOU'RE LOOKING AT 1, 2, 3 PROPERTIES UNTIL YOU GET TO HIS PROPERTY TO ASSIGN ALL OF THOSE C THREE, YOU'RE GONNA CREATE A LOT, POTENTIALLY CREATE A LOT OF TRAFFIC EVEN FROM HIS PROPERTY ALL THE WAY OUT TO 55.

AND THAT'S NOT GONNA HELP ANY OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON THAT ROAD UNLESS THAT ROAD GETS EXTENDED TO SOME OTHER MAJOR ART, WHICH, SO I CAN PROVIDE LIKE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER COMMENT FEEDBACK IN MY DISCUSSIONS WITH MR. THOMPSON, HE HAD BELIEF, WHICH HE STATED AGAIN TONIGHT, UH, THAT THOSE PROPERTIES ALREADY WERE, I ADVISEDLY DID NOT.

YEAH, BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE NONE I BELIEVE THAT WERE, AND I SAID, I YOU HAVE TO PICK THE PROPERTIES THAT YOU WOULD LIKELY KNOW.

AND HE IS LIKE, WELL I WANT THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I SAID, SIR, YOU HAVE TO PICK THOSE PROPERTIES.

YOU PICKED THE PROPERTIES.

AND SO HE DID GENERATE A LIST AND THIS WAS THE LIST THAT HE CHOSE FROM THE PROPERTY.

UNDERSTOOD.

I DON'T THINK HE QUITE KNEW.

WELL EVEN JUST TO ME, THE FLIP SIDE OF IT, JUST TAKING THE ONES TOWARDS 55, THAT WOULD CREATE A LOT OF PROBLEMS FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

BUT IF EVERYBODY PUT A MACHINE SHOP IN THERE OR SOMETHING, IT COULD CREATE, BUT THEN ANYWHERE FROM BARBERS SHOP TO A CAR LOT A CAR OR SOMETHING.

I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND WHAT HE SAID THEN AND BUILD HIS BUILDING AND PUT A PARKING LOT.

IT'S LIKE THE TIRE SHOP.

NO, THE TIRE SHOP WAS FARTHER DOWN THE ROAD.

THAT'S SOMEBODY ELSE THAT'S FARTHER DOWN MONT, THAT WAS SOMEBODY ELSE.

JUST SOMEBODY HAS A LEAN TUBE OR SHOW BUILDING WITH BUNCH OF, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY A ZONING DISTRICT, A MODERNIZED ORDINANCE IS GONNA SAY THE INTENT OF THIS ZONING DISTRICT IS TO, AND IT WILL TELL YOU THE FEATURES THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE FIRST TO APPLY THAT ZONING TO SOMETHING.

RIGHT.

WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE THAT LUXURY YET.

WE'RE WORKING THERE.

WE'RE GONNA BUILD THAT TYPE OF ORDINANCE.

SO, YOU KNOW, JUST BEARING IN MIND THAT'S A REALLY GOOD REASON WHEN WE UPDATE TO BEAR IN MIND, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT WHEN WE DEFINE WHAT KIND OF CRITERIA WE THINK GO IN CERTAIN ZONING DISTRICTS.

AND THEN ONE OF THE HARDEST THINGS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO IS GO THROUGH THAT USE TABLE AND SAY, YEAH, THIS IS GOOD HERE, THIS MIGHT BE GOOD HERE.

AND ASSIGN THOSE Z'S OR THOSE S'S OR WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE.

BECAUSE TO THE ORDINANCES, SEE WHAT THE DIFFERENCES WERE.

YEAH, YEAH.

IT'S A IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T, IT'S HARD TO NAVIGATE.

TO BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS.

THERE'S MULTIPLE USES THAT COULD BE CONSIDERABLE FOR SEVERAL DIFFERENT TYPES OF USES WITHIN THIS DISTRICT AND CURRENTLY IT'S, IT'S UP FOR GRABS ALMOST IN SOME WAYS.

SURE.

INTERESTING.

PEOPLE DO THAT.

IT DOESN'T EVEN SAY THAT RESIDENTIAL IS PERMITTED.

YOU LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE THE WAY YEAH.

RESIDENTS I THINK IS ALLOWED EVERYWHERE.

IT'S JUST VERY, YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE CHART.

IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO READ WHAT A ZONING DISTRICT MEANS AND WHAT THE INTENT IS BEHIND IT AND THAT SHOULD HELP YOU IN SITUATIONS WHERE WE NEED TO ADD CLARITY OR THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT WHEN THEY'RE ASKED TO DO THAT.

BUT, UM, WE'RE STARTING THAT SOON.

REAL SOON, REAL SOON.

LIKE THE DATE CLOSES MONDAY AT FIVE O'CLOCK FOR OUR RF QS, SO YEAH.

ANYWAYS, I JUST INFRINGED ON Y'ALL'S COMMENTS.

YOU DID.

THAT'S OKAY.

THAT'S ALRIGHT.

UH, WE'RE GONNA UH, OPEN UP ITEM NUMBER SIX

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UM, HAS ANYBODY HAD ANY COMMENTS OF ANY NATURE ABOUT THIS BOARD OR ANYTHING? UM, I HAD A SHORT ONE.

UM, I'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH ON MAKING ANY COMMENT, BUT I THINK AM,

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UM, BUT A MONTH AGO WENT ON AND SAID SOMETHING THAT I SAID THAT I OR, OR SAID SOME NEGA NEGATIVE THINGS ABOUT MYSELF AND THIS BOARD, UM, THAT I DIDN'T, THINGS THAT, UH, I DIDN'T, I DON'T BELIEVE, UH, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.

I'M NOT PRO-GROWTH AT ANY COST.

I DON'T THINK THIS BOARD IS AS EITHER.

UM, I THINK WE BELIEVE IN REASONABLE GROWTH.

UM, I MOST CERTAINLY DON'T WANNA LIVE IN WILMINGTON OR RALEIGH OR GREENVILLE.

UM, I LIKE UBER, SO, UM, I WOULD ASK ANY OF 'EM, UM, IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS TO COME TALK TO ME.

UM, I'VE HEARD FROM A COUPLE, I HAVE NOT HEARD FROM ALDERMAN PRI, BUT THAT INCLUDES MY COMMENTS.

UM, MR. BOARD? YES SIR.

NOT TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT I DID FORGET, UH, JUST TO ADD THIS IN INTO THE RECORD, I HAD TWO SUBMITTALS FROM TWO SEPARATE CITIZENS REGARDING THE SAME ITEM THAT WE'RE SPEAKING ON.

OR PREVIOUSLY WERE AND THEY WERE AN OBJECTION TO IT.

I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT ON RECORD.

I EXPLAINED I WOULD TAKE THAT.

UH, ITEM FIVE D.

YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

YES SIR.

ALRIGHT, IF UH, BOARD MEMBERS HAVE NO OTHER COMMENT, UM, I'M GONNA MOVE ON TO STAFF COMMENTS, STAFF HAVE ANY COMMENTS? I HAVE NO ADDITIONAL COMMENT.

Y'ALL DID GREAT SO MUCH.

AND WITH THAT I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.

I ADJOURN.

I HAVE A MOTION.

I HAVE A SECOND.

SECOND MOTION AND SECOND ADJOURN DISCUSSION.

ALL FAVOR TO SAY AYE.