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YOU READY? YEP.[1. OPENING OF MEETING WITH ROLL CALL]
I HEREBY CALL THE ORDER OF THIS REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.UM, MATT, WOULD YOU PLEASE, UH, UH, GIVE US A ROLL CALL? CERTAINLY JIM MORRISON.
AND EXCUSED ARE JIM BISBY AND MARK GARNER.
SO, UM, IN PREPARATION FOR OUR HEARING TONIGHT, UM, THE HISTORIC
[3.A. HEARINGS: INTRODUCTION, SWEARING-IN, SUMMARY OF PROCESS]
PRESERVATION COMMISSION IS A PUBLIC COMMISSION APPOINTED BY THE CITY OF NEW BURNS FOOD AND MOND.IT IS A RESPONSIBLE FOR PRESERVING AND SAFEGUARDING NEW BERN'S, LOCALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICTS BEING DOWNTOWN RIVERSIDE.
UM, IT FOLLOWS US DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, STATE STATUTES, CITY ORDINANCES, AND NEW BERN'S HISTORIC, UH, GUIDELINES.
TWO OF THE MAJOR TASKS OF THE HPC INCLUDE APPROVING APPLICATIONS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND PREVENTING DEMOLITION OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES.
THE HPC HOLDS A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING ON AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
THE COMMISSION HEARS SWORN TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT, BY PARTIES WHO RECEIVE NOTICE OF THE HEARING AND BY OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT EVIDENCE AND ARE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THE APPLICATION.
UH, THE COMMISSION CANNOT CONSIDER COMMENTS BASED ON PERSONAL LIKES OR DISLIKES, HEARSAY OR PERSONAL OPINION THAT CANNOT BE DIRECTLY RELATED TO SPECIFIC HISTORIC GUIDELINES.
UH, LIKEWISE, COMMISSIONERS, UH, SHALL REFRAIN FROM STATING PERSONAL OPINION, PERSONAL LIKES OR DISLIKES OR HEARSAY DURING THE HEARING.
UH, THE, THE COMMISSION'S DECISION ON AN APPLICATION IS BASED SOLELY ON THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PRESENTED AT A HEARING THAT DIRECTLY RELATES TO HISTORIC, UH, GUIDELINES.
AND SO AT THIS POINT, MATT, I THINK WE'RE READY TO, UH, SWEAR IN ANYONE WHO WISHES TO, UH, SPEAK TONIGHT.
ANYONE WHO TO THAT PLEASE COME FORWARD ESPECIALLY.
UH, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
UH, DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE? I DO.
AND IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY SIGNED IN UP HERE, YOU TO DO SO.
AND SO, SO WHILE WE GET THE LAST FEW SIGNATURES ON THE, UH, LIST OF SPEAKERS, I'M GONNA SUMMARIZE THE HEARING PROCESS FOR COA APPLICATIONS IN GENERAL.
UH, WE WILL CONDUCT A HEARING ON ACO APPLICATION, UH, ABIDING BY THE FOLLOWING.
UH, THE HPC ADMINISTRATOR, UH, PROVIDES AN OVERVIEW OF THE APPLICATION.
UH, THE APPLICANT PRESENTS THE APPLICATION PROPONENTS AND OPPONENTS WHO RECEIVE NOTICE OF THE HEARING.
PRESENT EVIDENCE, UH, REBUTTAL IS ALLOWED BY THE APPLICANT AND BY PROPONENTS AND OPPONENTS WHO RECEIVE NOTICE.
UM, OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT INFORMATION WILL BE, UH, AND WILL BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED OR THEN ALLOWED TO PRESENT EVIDENCE.
THE HPC ADMINISTRATOR PRESENTS STAFF'S, UH, FINDINGS AND THEN THE APPLICANT HAS A FINAL OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO MAKE FINAL COMMENTS.
THEN AT THAT POINT, THE COMMISSIONERS WILL, UH, DISCUSS THE EVIDENCE AND, UM, ENGAGE IN CASE, UH, CON EXCHANGE INFORMATION WITH THE, UH, APPLICANT.
UH, AND THEN ULTIMATELY, UH, WE'LL CALL FOR A MOTION AND THE COMMISSIONERS WILL, UH, UH, ISSUE SOME TYPE OF MOTION.
UH, AND THAT MOTION CAN BE IN THE FORM OF APPROVAL APPROVED WITH CONDITION CONDITIONS WERE DENIED.
ALRIGHT, SO WITH THAT, I BELIEVE I'VE HIT ALL THE, THE PROPER MARK.
[2. ADJUSTMENTS TO THE AGENDA]
YOU GO BACK TO NUMBER TWO AND ASK IF THERE ARE ANY ADJUSTMENTS TO THE AGENDA? YEAH.ARE THERE ANY ADJUSTMENTS TO THE AGENDA? NONE THAT I KNOW OF, BUT IN CASE THERE WERE FROM THE OKAY.
UH, SO AT THIS POINT, I BELIEVE
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THAT BRINGS US[3.B. 514 E. FRONT ST. – to include a small addition in the Tertiary AVC]
TO, UM, FIVE 14 EAST FRONT STREET.ALRIGHT, WE'LL START WITH OUR REVIEW OF THAT.
THIS IS THE FRONT PAGE OF THE APPLICATION FOR FIVE 14 EAST FRONT STREET.
THEY'VE PROVIDED THE INFORMATION REQUESTED, UH, AND THEY HAVE SIGNED AND DATED THE APPLICATION.
THEY'VE ALSO ATTACHED A PAGE WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
AND THEN, UH, A SERIES OF PLANS.
THESE WERE THE FIRST ONES SUBMITTED, UM, THAT ARE HELPFUL JUST TO SHOW THE, UH, LOCATION OF THE PROJECT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, EAST FRONT STREET IS AT THE BOTTOM AND NORTH IS TO THE LEFT.
SO THE RED SQUARE AREA IS THE, UH, ADDITION THAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
AND THEN THERE IS, UH, TWO RED LINES HERE THAT SHOW, UH, ENCLOSING THE EXISTING, UH, PORTICO THAT'S OUT THERE ON THE BACK, UH, SIDE OF THIS HOUSE.
UH, AND THIS IS AN ENLARGEMENT OF THAT TURN NOW SIDEWAYS, UM, WITH NORTH TO THE TOP.
AND THEN THIS IS A NICE, UH, THREE-DIMENSIONAL VIEW PHOTO, UM, SHOWING THAT THE POWDER ROOM WOULD BE THE, UH, AREA ON THE RED AREA ON THE RIGHT.
AND THEN THE ENCLOSURE OF THE PORTICO ON THE LEFT THERE OUTLINED IN RED, GIVE YOU AN IDEA, ORIENT YOU TO THIS PROJECT.
IT'S ESSENTIALLY BUILDING THIS, UH, UH, POWER ROOM ON THE EXISTING DECK UP THERE.
UM, AND THIS SHOWS DETAIL FROM THE, FROM THEIR MANTLE PIECE THAT GIVES, UH, UH, INSPIRATION FOR THE STAINED GLASS WINDOW THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF STAINED GLASS WINDOW FROM THAT PARTICULAR, FROM THEIR PROPOSED OR THEIR PREFERRED, UM, FABRICATOR ARTIST.
UH, THIS, UH, PHOTO REPRESENTS, UH, THE, ESSENTIALLY THE SCREEN OR STORM DOOR THAT IS PROPOSED, UH, FOR THE DOORWAY INTO THE PORTICO ON THE SIDE.
AND THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A NEIGHBOR, NEARBY NEIGHBOR THAT HAS A SIMILAR KIND OF ADDITION ON THEIR BUILDING.
UH, AND NOW THIS IS THE ACTUAL PLAN.
YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE ENG WHAT'S SHOWN IS ENTRY AND YOU CAN SEE THE BATHROOM FOR THE TOILET AND A WINDOW ON THE RIGHT.
UH, AND THE STORM DOOR, UH, AT THE BOTTOM, UH, WILL ONLY BE SWINGING OUT, UH, NOT IN APPARENTLY.
UH, AND, UH, THE EXISTING COLUMNS FOR THE PORTICO ARE TO REMAIN THE EXISTING PIE LASTERS ARE TO REMAIN, UH, AND WILL BE JUST THE ADDITION OF THEN THE NEW TWO WALLS, THE ONE WITH THE WINDOW, AND THEN THE ONE AT THE BACK OF THE POWDER ROOM.
AND THEY'RE OF COURSE ADDING A ROOF OVER THAT.
AND SO FROM THE OUTSIDE, THE ELEVATION VIEW OF THIS THEN WOULD LOOK LIKE THIS.
THIS IS ON THE LEFT HERE, WHERE MY CURSOR IS CIRCLING IS WHERE THE EXISTING PORTICO IS.
AND IT'LL BE FILLED IN WITH SOLID, UH, WOOD SIDING.
AND THEN TO THE RIGHT OF, UH, WHERE THE, UH, POWDER ROOM IS, IS THE, HERE'S THE, UH, ELEVATION WITH THE WINDOW.
AND, UM, THE GUTTER THAT'S SHOWN THERE IS ALREADY EXISTING.
UH, THAT WALL FOR THE POWDER ROOM WILL ALSO HAVE WOOD SIDING.
THERE'S THE NOTES AT THE BOTTOM AND THERE'S ALSO A CORNER, UH, CORNER TRIM, UH, AT THAT SIDE.
SO THE OTHER ROLL AT THE END OF THE POWDER ROOM IS ALSO SOLID WOOD SIDING.
THE VIEW FROM THE DOORWAY SIDE OF THE PORTICO IS HERE.
IT'S SIMPLY THE DOORWAY FITS IN THE OPENING THAT'S THERE.
AND SO NOW WE HAVE OUR ZONING AND INSPECTIONS REVIEW FOR THIS.
UH, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR STATES THAT IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE.
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NOT APPEAR TO EXPAND BEYOND THE FOOTPRINT FOR THE HOME.UH, AND THEN THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR INDICATED THAT THE PROJECT WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.
AND THEN WE'RE READY WITH OUR, UH, FINDINGS AND EVALUATION.
AND, AND PERHAPS BEFORE I GOT YOU STARTED, I SHOULD HAVE CONFIRMED WE DO HAVE AN APPLICANT TONIGHT.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER TO ADD, UH, TO MATT'S OVERVIEW? AND YOU WANT JUST STATE YOUR NAME AT LEAST? I AM MAUREEN MCFARLAND.
NO, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD.
UM, IS THERE ANYONE WHO, UH, RECEIVED NOTICE WHO WOULD LIKE TO, UH, SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST, UH, THIS PROJECT? OKAY, SEEING NONE, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS NO FURTHER COMMENTS.
UM, SO I BELIEVE THAT PROBABLY BRINGS US BACK TO STAFF FINDINGS.
UH, SO THESE ARE THE FINDINGS FOR AN EVALUATION FOR RICHARD MCDONALD AND MAUREEN MCFARLAND.
UH, THE PROJECT ADDRESS IS FI FIVE 14 EAST FRONT STREET.
UH, THE HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME IS THE INCREASED BRADLEY HOUSE, UH, ALSO KNOWN AS GULL HARBOR, AND WAS BUILT CIRCA 1815 TO 1818.
IT IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY DESCRIPTION, UH, DESCRIBES IT AS TWO AND A FROM 2003, DESCRIBES IT AS TWO AND A HALF STORIES, THREE BAYS WIDE, THREE BAY DEEP ENTRANCE IN SOUTH ELEVATION, PEDIMENT, ENTRANCE, PORCH, GABLE DORMERS, TALL INTERIOR, CHIMNEY, GABLE, AND ROOF FOR THE SAND.
BECK DESCRIPTION OF 1988, THE ONLY PASSAGE REFERRING TO THE REAR OF THE HOUSE IS TWO DORMERS ON THE FRONT SLOPE AND ONE ON THE REAR.
SO FOR FIVE 14 EAST FRONT STREET, THE PROPOSAL IS TO INCLUDE A SMALL ADDITION IN THE TERTIARY A, B, C.
AND STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES, UH, DESIGN STANDARDS OR GUIDELINES THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, TWO AND FOUR FOR MODIFICATIONS, 3.2 0.1, AND TWO FOR ADDITIONS.
3.3 0.1, TWO, AND THREE FOR WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION FOR 0.2, 0.1 AND FOUR FOR WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS.
4.3 0.2, THREE AND SIX FOR ENTRANCES, 4.4 0.1 AND FIVE FOR ROOFS.
THE STATEMENTS OF FACT, BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION ARE THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
TWO, THE PROJECT IS IN ADDITION TO A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE TERTIARY A, BC THREE, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES FOR THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
AND FIVE, THE APPLICATION IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR STAFF REPORT.
AND THEN MS. RE, ANY, ANYTHING TO ADD AT THIS POINT? WILL WE STILL GET, I WILL ADD SOMETHING VERY QUICKLY.
AND THAT IS, UM, WE REALLY ARE TRYING NOT TO DO ANYTHING TO THE INTERIOR OF THE HOUSE.
SO WE HAD A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO CAME THROUGH AND SAID, WELL, YOU COULD TO MAKE A POWDER ROOM ON THE FIRST FLOOR, YOU COULD BLOW OUT THE WALL IN THE FORMAL DINING ROOM, OR YOU COULD TAKE THE SIDE HALL AT THE END AND MAKE THAT A FULL BATH.
AND BECAUSE THE HOUSE IS FROM THE EARLY 18 HUNDREDS, WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
WE DON'T WANT TO NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE.
SO THIS POWDER ROOM IS ON AN ADDITION THAT WAS PUT ON IN THE 1960S, AND THAT'S THE KITCHEN.
SO THE KITCHEN WAS PUT ON LIKE THE FIFTIES OR SIXTIES, AND THIS IS ON THE PORCH OF THE ADDITION.
SO IT'S THE SAME FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE.
AND THE IDEA IS DON'T MESS AROUND WITH THE HISTORICAL DETAILS BECAUSE IT'S SO PRISTINE SIDE.
AND THIS WAS KIND OF WHAT WE CAME UP WITH HAVING AN OUTHOUSE.
THAT, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD APPROACH.
SO COMMISSIONERS, WHAT QUESTIONS DO WE HAVE? I THINK YOU MENTIONED IT IN, IN DESIGN REVIEW, THE, THE WALL ON THE INSIDE OF THE POWDER ROOM.
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THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE THE SIDING THAT IS NOW OUTSIDE AND WILL BE IN THE POWDER ROOM? IS THAT WOOD GONNA BE COVERED, RETAINED? I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE KEEPING IT.SO FOR THE ADDITION FROM THE 1950S, THAT HAS A WALL ON IT, AND THEN WHEN WE MAKE THE POWDER ROOM, IT WILL BE AGAINST THAT WALL.
SO I GUESS INSIDE WE COULD LEAVE THAT FROM THE FIFTIES.
I MEAN, I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON, ON HOW GOOD IT IS.
YEAH, JUST, I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE SAID YOU'RE NOT BOTHERING HISTORIC FABRIC AND THAT WAS THE ONLY THING THAT I THOUGHT ABOUT.
BUT WHEN I SAY THAT, I THINK MAYBE NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE 1950S COMPONENT, BUT MORE LIKE THE 18 10, 18 15.
I THINKING THAT IT'S A GOOD RESIGN IN MY OPINION.
YEAH, I AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER MORRIS.
AND, UH, THE MODIFICATIONS ARE TO AN EXISTING CONTEMPORARY STRUCTURE.
UH, YOU'RE REALLY NOT TOUCHING THE HISTORIC, THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC FABRIC OF THE HOUSE.
ALRIGHT, WELL, IF WE'RE FRESH OUT OF INPUT AND EXAMINATION, PERHAPS WE COULD VENTURE A MOTION.
OKAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, I FIND THE APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR FIVE 13 EAST FRONT STREET IS NOT IN CONGRESS WITH NEW BERN'S CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTIONS 4 15, 4 11 THROUGH 15 429 AND NEW'S, HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN STANDARDS, ALSO KNOWN AS GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING.
SPECIFIC GUIDE, EXCUSE ME, GUIDELINES, DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, 0.1, TWO AND FOUR MODIFICATIONS, 3.212 ADDITIONS, 3.3 0.1, TWO AND THREE WALLS, TRIM AND LAMENTATION, 4.1, 4.2 0.4, WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS, 4.33 AND SIX ENTRANCES, 4.4, 1 0 5 ROOF, AND FOUR WOOD.
THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE AND A TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN PROJECT IS AN ADDITION TO A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE TERTIARY NBC.
THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT STANDARDS.
THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
THE APPLICATION IS NOT IN CONGRESS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO ISSUE ACRA? SO MOVED.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? AND THEN LASTLY, WE HAVE A NEW TWIST TO MAKE.
UH, WE NEED A MOTION TO, UM, APPROVE THE WRITTEN DECISION.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORT IN BRINGING THAT PROJECT TOGETHER.
ALRIGHT, NOW THAT BRINGS US TO, UH,
[3.C. 817 POLLOCK ST. – to include a remodel to the existing accessory structure in the Tertiary AVC.]
ADAM C ON THE AGENDA.OKAY, THIS IS THE APPLICATION.
AND AGAIN, UH, ALL THE INFORMATION IS FILLED OUT ON THE FRONT AND THEN SIGNED AND DATED ON THE BACK BY THE, UM, BY THEIR DESIGNATED, UH, REPRESENTATIVE.
AND THESE ARE, UH, THIS IS A, UM, PHOTO OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, ALTHOUGH THE PROJECT IS IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, BUT JUST TO GIVE SOME CONTEXT, THE PROJECT.
OH, NO, THERE IS NO AUTHORIZATION BECAUSE THE OWNERS ARE PRESENT.
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OKAY,UM, WE HAD A QUESTION HERE FROM OUR ATTORNEY.
SO, UH, THEN THIS IS A, UH, VIEW OF THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, UH, FROM THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
SO, UM, ALSO LOOKING OVER THE BACKYARD, UH, YOU'LL SEE THAT DECK THERE.
AND THEN THE DECK IS IN THE FOREGROUND HERE.
UH, BUT PRIMARILY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE HERE.
UM, AND YOU CAN SEE IT HAS METAL ROOF AND THESE THREE SETS OF DOORS OR WOULD APPEAR TO BE DOORS.
UH, THIS IS THEN THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, IF YOU, UM, UH, OF THE STRUCTURE, THEN THE, THE BACK OF THE RIGHT HALF OF THE BACK OF THE STRUCTURE, AND THEN THE LEFT SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE.
WE'LL SEE ANOTHER ONE, UH, FROM ANOTHER ANGLE HERE.
SO AS WE SCROLL UP, YOU'LL SEE, UM, FIRST OF ALL, DOWN HERE, THERE'S TWO DOORS.
UH, AND, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A DOOR AT FOR THE SECOND OR THE ATTIC AREA.
ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS GONNA BE A LITTLE BIG SMALLER.
SO THESE ARE, OR IS THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWING FOR THIS PROJECT.
AND WE'LL START ON THE RIGHT SIDE WITH THE FRONT VIEW.
ON THE RIGHT SHOWS THAT THE, UM, OF THE THREE DOORS, THE MIDDLE ONE WILL BECOME, UH, NEW, UH, GLAZED DOOR OPENINGS.
UH, SO, UH, DOORWAYS WITH GLASS, AND THEN ON THE LEFT AND RIGHT SIDE, THE EXISTING DOOR PANELS WILL BE FIXED IN PLACE.
THEN ON THE LEFT SIDE, UH, THE LEFT HAND DOOR, THE ONE TOWARDS THE BACK WILL BE INFILLED WITH, UH, WOOD SIDING TO MATCH THE REST.
THE UPPER ATTIC, UH, DOOR WILL BE USED AS INFILL, AND THE RIGHT HAND DOOR WILL BE REPLACED WITH A NEW, UH, UH, GLASS AND METAL DOOR WITH A SIDELIGHT.
UH, THERE'S ALSO A NEW GUTTER AND DOWNSPOUT ALONG THE FRONT.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, OH, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE HERE ALSO ON THE ROOF, ON THE BACK THERE WILL BE A NEW SKYLIGHT.
ALL THE EXISTING FENCING WILL REMAIN AND PULL OVER HERE TO THE PLAN VIEW.
HERE IT SHOWS THE DECK IS REMOVED UNDERNEATH THE TREE, AND THEN, UH, THERE'LL BE A LITTLE BIT OF PAVING ADDED OVER TO THE, UH, DOORWAY ON THE SIDE.
UH, AND THEN THIS ALSO SHOWS A SQUA.
THIS SQUARE, UH, SYMBOL REPRESENTS THE SKYLIGHT THAT IS ABOVE.
UM, THERE'S ALSO, ON THE BACK, THERE'LL BE A NEW WINDOW WITH A SHUTTER, UM, MATCHING THE EXISTING OPENING COVERING.
SO, AND THEN HERE'S A RENDERING OF THAT.
UM, THEN WE HAVE OUR ZONING AND INSPECTIONS REPORT.
I HAVE TO MAKE IT LARGER SO WE CAN ALL READ IT.
SO FOR THIS ONE, UM, IT DOES, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR SAYS IT DOES MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF LAND USE ORDINANCE.
THERE'S NO EXPANSION OF FOOTPRINT THAT APPEARS TO BE TAKING PLACE.
AND THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR INDICATES THAT IT WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.
OKAY, THEN WE'RE READY WITH OUR GREAT FINDINGS.
AND SO DID WE, UH, HAVE A APPLICANT OR REPRESENTATIVE OF THE APPLICANT WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING TO MATT'S OVERVIEW, I THINK HAS IDENTIFI, EXCUSE ME, IDENTIFY.
OH, CHARLES FRANCIS ARCHITECT ON THE PROJECT.
UM, I THINK MATT HAS TAKEN CARE OF IT PRETTY WELL, BUT IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, IT'S NOT A NUT DOOR, A WOODEN DOOR MAT.
I THANK YOU FOR THE CORRECTION.
AND MR. PRESIDING OFFICER, IF WE CAN JUST NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT THIS GENTLEMAN IS SPEAKING, UM, HOWEVER, HE IS NOT THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IS PRESENT AND HE'S PROCEEDING AND REPRESENTING HER WITH HER CONSENT.
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THE DESIGN OF THE PROJECT.JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A WRITTEN AUTHORIZATION IN THE RECORD.
DID YOU NEED ME TO SAY THAT? NO, YOU'VE ALREADY SAID IT.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO'S RECEIVED NOTIFICATION WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE PROJECT? ARE THERE ANY OTHER WHO HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE PROJECT? ALL RIGHT.
UH, HEARING NONE, I THINK THAT TAKES US TO, UH, STAFF'S, UM, ANALYSIS.
WELL, LET ME SAY IN FRONT THAT, AND IT'S, IT'S ALREADY INSTATED, BUT THERE'S NO DOCUMENTED REFERENCE, UH, TO THIS EXISTING ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
UH, SO THERE'S NO REASON TO ASSUME THAT IT REPRESENTS ANY HISTORIC, UH, ANY SIGNIFICANT HISTORIC FABRIC.
IF, IF YOU'LL LET ME GET STARTED.
UH, SO THIS IS FOR CATHERINE O'BRIEN AND, AND C FRANCIS ARCHITECTURE, UH, AT EIGHT 17 P*****K STREET.
UH, THE HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME IS THE ALBERT CASTED HOUSE CIRCA 1915.
THE DATE OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS SHOWN IN THE COUNTY.
ACCESSOR'S INFORMATION IS 1940, BUT THAT IS NOT ENTIRELY RELIABLE FOR ACCURACY.
THE STATUS OF THE, UH, ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS NON-CONTRIBUTING.
UM, THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY FROM 2003, THERE IS NO REFERENCE TO THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, BUT FOR CONTEXT, THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IS DESCRIBED AS TWO STORIES.
THREE BAYS WIDE HIP ROOF PORCH WITH LATTICE BRICK FOUNDATION, PAIRED POSTS PEDIMENT GABLE WITH CIRCULAR ATTIC VENT AND INTERIOR CHIMNEY FROM SAND BACK IN 1988.
UH, THERE IS NO REFERENCE TO THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE EITHER.
UH, HOUSE DETAILS ARE DESCRIBED AND START WITH, UH, THE EXTERIOR OF THE CASTED HOUSE COMBINES THE LONG POP, THE LONG POPULAR GABLE FRONT FORM WITH PORCH DETAILS AND FACADE FENESTRATION CHARACTERISTIC OF THE PERIOD 1910 TO 1920 IN NEW BERN.
SO FOR EIGHT 17 P*****K STREET TO INCLUDE A REMODEL, THE PROJECT IS TO INCLUDE A REMODEL TO THE EXISTING ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN THE TERTIARY A, B, C.
AND STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN STANDARDS GUIDELINES THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR DESIGN PRINCIPLES 3.2 AND FOUR, MODIFICATIONS, 3.2 0.1, AND TWO FOR WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION, 4.2 0.14 AND FIVE FOR WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS.
4.3 AND THREE FOR ROOFS, 4.51 AND TWO FOR WOOD, 5.2 0.1, AND TWO.
STATEMENTS OF FACT BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION ARE THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS A NON-CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
TWO OF THE PROJECT IS REMODEL CONSTRUCTION TO A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE TERTIARY AVC THREE OF THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES.
FOUR, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
AND FIVE, THE APPLICATION IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES THAT COMPLETES OUR STAFF.
ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE GET INTO DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT, UH, COMMISSIONERS, WHAT QUESTIONS DO WE HAVE? I'M NOT SURE WHAT COMMISSIONER THOMPSON, WHAT, WHAT WERE WE BRINGING UP? I SAID NONE.
BUT THE, UM, THIS IS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT IT HAS NO DOCUMENTED REFERENCE.
SO, AND I THINK IT'S, UH, MEETING ALL THE GUIDELINES WELL DONE.
SEEMS LIKE A RATHER GENTLE HANDLING OF THE PROJECT, UH, RELATIVE TO THE EXISTING CONTEXT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR OBSERVATIONS? IT'S, IT'S JUST A, A NICE REHABILITATION.
ANY QUESTION? YEAH, PLEASE DO.
I'LL MOVE TO FIND THE, THE APPLICATION FOR EIGHT 17 P*****K STREET TO BE NOT IN CON WITH THE NUMEROUS CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTIONS 15.41, ONE DASH 15.429, AND NUMEROUS HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FAB.
CAN YOU SCROLL UP AGAIN? OH, SORRY.
SO WE'LL START WITH DESIGN PRINCIPLES TWO AND FOUR, MODIFICATIONS, 3.2 0.1, AND TWO WALLS AND TRIM ORNAMENTATION, 4.4, 0.2 0.4 AND FIVE WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS.
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4.33.MOVING TO ROOFS 4.5, 4.52 WOOD, 5.2 0.1, AND TWO, PAINT.
AND FINDINGS OF FACT, THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS WITHIN, I'M SORRY, THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS A NON-CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
THE PROJECT IS REMODEL CONSTRUCTION AND A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE TERTIARY A, B, C.
THE PROPOSED DESIGN PROP COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES.
THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THE PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
THE APPLICATION IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
WE'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY I A ANY OPPOSED? CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO ISSUE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS? SO MOVED.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
AND I'LL LET MATT TAKE HIS CHOICE ON THE SECOND.
ALL THESE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY A A.
ANY OPPOSED? AND THEN LASTLY, WE NEED A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE OR TO APPROVE THE, UH, WRITTEN DECISION.
SO MOVE SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
WHAT IS THIS FIRM VOTE THAT YOU TOOK? UM, IT'S A NEW PROCEDURE REQUIRED BY THE GENERAL STATUTES, UH, WHEREBY WE HAVE TO ISSUE A WRITTEN DECISION TO GO ALONG WITH ALL THE OTHER HOOPS WE JUMP THROUGH, UH, APPARENTLY TO STAY COMPLIANT.
WELL, IT'S, UH, NEW TO US AS OF TONIGHT, SO I APPRECIATE YOU BEARING WITH US.
AND, UH, HOPEFULLY IT'S NOT TOO AWKWARD.
I THINK MR. SHELL POINTED OUT TO ME WHAT'S NICE IS YOU GET THAT MUCH SOONER THAN YOU WOULD'VE IN THE PAST, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST THAT I, I THINK IT'S A SECOND DOCUMENT.
UM, USUALLY YOU GET A DOCUMENT FOR YOUR COA AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS WOULD BE A, A SECOND DOCUMENT.
[3.D. 720 E. FRONT ST. – to include an amendment to the approved CoA for an infill house; to add fill to the lot, eliminate the basement, and elevate the garage and driveway]
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA.SO MATT, IF YOU WOULD PROCEED CERTAINLY.
SO, UM, THIS, UH, THIS, UM, PROJECT THIS EVENING ALREADY HAS ACOA.
SO, UH, WE DON'T HAVE THE, UH, APPLICATION SHOWN HERE, UH, BUT WE DO HAVE THE PLANS FROM THE FIRST OF ALL, THE COA AND THEN THE APPROVED PLANS.
SO HERE'S WHAT ACOA LOOKS LIKE FOR EVERYONE WHO HASN'T SEEN ONE YET.
UM, A BUNCH OF SIGNATURES AND THE CONDITIONS AND EXPIRATION DATE AND SUCH.
UM, SO, UH, NOW THESE ARE THE PLANS THAT WERE SUB APPROVED AT THE TIME.
I'LL HAVE TO MAKE THIS A LOT SMALLER.
AND THIS PARTICULAR DRAWING IS, IS IMPORTANT FOR TONIGHT BECAUSE IT'S, UH, UM, BEEN MODIFIED IN THE, UH, AMENDMENT PROPOSAL.
UH, PRIMARILY DENOTE HERE FOR IT'S, UH, THE BACKYARD AREA HERE WHERE THE GARAGE IS.
UM, IT SHOWS A RETAINING WALL STRAIGHT UP THE DRAWING HERE.
UH, AND THAT HAS NOW CHANGED TO BE AN ANGLE WHICH CONNECTS THE NEIGHBOR'S, UH, RETAINING WALL, WHICH IS JUST TO THE LEFT OF THE TOP OF THE, UH, UH, OF THE, UH, PROPOSED WALL OR APPROVED WALL.
AND THEN DOWN TO THE RIGHT HERE WHERE, UH, THE EXISTING RETAINING WALL EXISTS ON THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH.
UM, UH, PRIMARILY TO THE PLAN VIEW.
THE OTHER THING IS THEY HAVE REMOVED, UH, THE EXCAVATION FOR THE BASEMENT.
UH, BUT IN THIS, THE APPROVED PLAN, WE SHOW THE BASEMENT AND THE VARIOUS, UM, UH, THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO THERE.
SO IN THE NEW PLAN, THIS, UH, SHEET WILL BE GONE.
UH, AND THEN THIS IS THE FIRST FLOOR PLAN, WHICH BASICALLY PRETTY MUCH REMAINS UNCHANGED EXCEPT FOR SOME, UM, UH, CHANGE THERE.
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DON'T NEED THESE STEPS HERE ANYMORE.UH, AND THERE WILL BE, UH, SOME BRICK PAVING HERE.
THE STA THE STEPS, UH, SHOWN HERE TO GO DOWN TO GROUND LEVEL AT THE RETAINING WALL HAVE BEEN REMOVED BECAUSE THEY NOW HAVE A PIER GOING OUT TO THE RIVER.
UH, THEN THIS IS THEN THE NEXT FLOOR, WHICH THIS WOULD JUST CHANGE JUST RIGHT, BUT IT DOESN'T.
ANYWAY, SECOND FLOOR DOESN'T CHANGE THE ELEVATIONS.
SO I'VE CIRCLED HERE, UH, IN RED, UH, THE APPROVED PLAN SHOWS A, UH, BRICK, UH, SHORT THREE FOOT HIGH BRICK RETAINING WALL OR GARDEN WALL.
AND THE LAWN WAS, UH, AT PRETTY CLOSE TO THE TOP OF THE WALL, UH, IN THIS SCENARIO.
THEN ON THE SIDE, AGAIN, THAT WALL WRAPPED AROUND THE LEFT, UH, HERE, SHOWN ON THE LEFT, WRAPPED AROUND THE CORNER, UH, AND STARTED DOWN THE DRIVEWAY.
UH, AND THE GARAGE WAS LOCATED, UH, LOWER THAN THE, UM, UM, SOON TO BE PROPOSED GROUND LEVEL.
UH, SO THIS, UH, HOW DO I PUT THIS, THIS SOLID LINE HERE IS WHERE THE GARAGE WILL BE NOW, IS PROPOSED NOW TO BE LOCATED AT THE FLOOR OF IT.
AND SO THE ENTIRE GARAGE IS GOING TO BE ELEVATED ABOUT FOUR FEET.
SO, UH, ALL OF THIS CHANGE HERE WITH A SLOPING DRIVEWAY DOWN TO THE GARAGE, UH, WILL NOT HAPPEN.
AND WE'LL, AGAIN, WE'LL SEE THAT LATER.
THE ONLY OTHER, UM, KIND OF NON-RELATED CHANGE IS THAT, UH, THESE, OUT OF THESE THREE SCREEN PANELS, THE MIDDLE PANEL WILL BE SOLID AND A LITTLE BIT WIDER, MAKING THE TWO END PANELS OF SCREEN, UH, MORE NARROW.
AGAIN, WE'LL SEE THAT AGAIN, BUT WE NEED TO POINT THIS OUT.
UH, ALSO, AS I MENTIONED IN THE, IN THE APPROVED PLAN, THE GARAGE WAS LOWER, WHICH ESSENTIALLY PUT THE, UH, SECOND LEVEL OF THE GARAGE AT THE FLOOR LEVEL OF THE HOUSE.
UM, THAT WILL NO LONGER BE THE CASE.
IT TURNED, UH, ALSO YOU'LL SEE IN THE DRAWINGS THAT THE, UH, THE WALL WILL BE GONE IN THE DRAWINGS, UH, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT IN THE SAME LOCATION.
IT'S NOT IN THE SAME LOCATION AS BEFORE, I GUESS.
UM, THEN ON THE SIDE, THEY ALL ALSO REMOVING THE WALL ON THIS SIDE BECAUSE THE NEIGHBOR'S YARD WILL COINCIDE WITH THE HEIGHT OF THE, UM, THE LAWN ON THIS SIDE ONCE THEY REMOVE THE THREE FEET OFF THE TOP.
UM, THE NEXT, SO THAT SAID, NOW LET'S LOOK AT THE REVISED PLAN.
SO WE'LL HAVE A FULL SET OF PLANS HERE, UM, COMPLETE WITH ALL THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT WERE ALSO IN THE PREVIOUS PLAN.
UM, SO HERE'S THE NEW SITE PLAN, WHICH IS A SURVEYOR'S PLAN.
AND YOU CAN SEE NOW THE BIG BLACK DIAGONAL LINE ACROSS HERE IS NOW THE NEW LOCATION OF THE RETAINING WALL.
AND THE, UH, DOUBLE LINE HERE GOING OFF TO THE RIGHT IS THE NEW PIER.
UH, SO IT, UH, LANDS AT THE TOP OF THE, UH, RETAINING WALL.
SO THE STAIRS ARE NO LONGER NECESSARY.
UH, AND OTHERWISE THE, THE PLAN VIEW HERE IS THE SAME WITH THE ADDITION OF THAT PAVING I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
AS I SAID, THERE IS NO BASEMENT PLAN AND THE, UM, GARAGE HAS BEEN ELEVATED TO, UH, THE POINT WHICH THE BOTTOM OF THE STAIRWAY FROM THE DECK COMES TO.
SO ALL OF THIS AND THE DRIVEWAY ARE ALL ONE.
THIS, UH, HERRINGBONE PATTERN, BRICK AND THE DRIVEWAY ARE AT THE SAME LEVEL.
THERE'S NO STEPS THERE LIKE THERE WERE BEFORE.
UM, THIS MAY BECOME A LITTLE MORE CLEAR WHEN WE LOOK AT THE SIDE VIEW.
SECOND FLOOR PLAN IS THE SAME ALL ON THE FRONT VIEW.
YOU CAN SEE NOW THE BRICK, UH, GARDEN WALL IS GONE.
UH, YOU'LL ALSO SEE HERE THAT THE GARAGE DOORS MEET THE GROUND LEVEL THAT'S SHOWN HERE AT SEVEN
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FEET ABOVE SEA LEVEL.AND THAT'S THE ELEVATION OF THE GARAGE.
UM, THEN, UH, FROM THE SIDE, WE NO LONGER HAVE THAT SLOPING DRIVEWAY DOWN TO A, UM, A LOWER GARAGE.
AND THIS STAIRWAY YOU SEE HERE IS ACTUALLY THE, THE STAIRWAY TO THE DECK BEYOND THIS IS NOT, UH, SAME AS THE ONE BEFORE.
AND YOU SEE HERE THE SOLID PANEL IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS SIDE OF THE, UM, SCREEN PORCH.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS THE SAME ON HERE.
NO CHANGES IN THE PENETRATION OR ANY OF THAT.
SAME THING WITH THE SIDE OF THE GARAGE.
EVERY PART OF THE GARAGE IS THE SAME, JUST UP AND UP HIGHER, UM, THAN IT WAS BEFORE.
THE FLOOR LEVEL OF THE HOUSE ITSELF HAS NOT CHANGED EITHER.
IT, UH, BECAUSE IT'S, UH, DICTATED BY OUR GUIDELINES THAT STAYS THE SAME.
SO THE ENTIRE HEIGHT OF THE HOUSE IS THE SAME AS IT WAS BEFORE.
THE HOUSE HAS NOT MOVED UP OR DOWN.
IT JUST FILLED IN THE, IN THE DESIGN, IN THE DESIGN FILLED IN AND ELIMINATED THE BASEMENT.
AND THEN THIS IS THEN THE OTHER, THE NORTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE, UH, AGAIN, WHERE WE HAD A, UH, THREE FOOT HIGH BRICK WALL THAT BECAME A FIVE FOOT HIGH BRICK WALL AT THE BACK.
'CAUSE NOW THEIR, UH, LAWN IS MATCHING THE LAWN OF THE NEIGHBORS.
UM, SO, UM, SO IT DOES TURN OUT THE STAIRWAY IS LONGER THAN IT WAS BEFORE BECAUSE THE GROUND LEVEL WAS ABOUT WHERE THIS POST IS AND GOING STRAIGHT ACROSS AT THAT POINT.
THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY CHANGE TO THE DESIGN OF THE GARAGE.
SO, UM, THEN WE HAVE OUR Z AND I ZONING AND INSPECTIONS REPORT.
THE ZONING ADMINISTRATORS INDICATED THAT IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE PER THE PLAN SUBMITTED.
HOWEVER, THE SEPARATION MUST INCREASE TO EIGHT FEET FOR THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
UM, THIS WAS, UH, SIGNED ON THE 13TH, I BELIEVE, AND THAT VERY DAY, UH, THE ARCHITECT ISSUED A NEW PLAN WHICH, UM, UH, MEETS THAT REQUIREMENT.
UH, WITH THE CURRENT SET OF PLANS AND THE TWO BUILDING INSPECTOR, OF COURSE THIS WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.
ALRIGHT THEN, UH, FOR SEVEN 20 EAST FRONT STREET, WE'RE READY FOR WITH THE FINDINGS AND EVALUATION.
AND SO AT THIS POINT, UH, DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE ANYTHING THEY WANT TO ADD TO MET OVERVIEW? NO.
PROBABLY OUGHT TO COME TALK IN THE MICROPHONE.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO RECEIVED NOTICE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE APPLICATION? ARE THERE ANY OTHERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE APPLICATION? OKAY.
UH, I GUESS THAT BRINGS US BACK TO YOU, MATT.
OKAY, SO THIS IS THE, UH, REPORT FOR JOANNE LANG AND GO ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, UH, FOR THE PROJECT AT SEVEN 20 EAST FRONT STREET, THAT THERE IS NO HISTORIC PROPERTY MEME BECAUSE IT'S A VACANT PARCEL AND THEREFORE IS ALSO NEITHER CONTRIBUTING NOR NOT CONTRIBUTING.
AND, UH, THE INVENTORY, NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY AND SAND BECK ALSO HAVE NO, UM, INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROPERTY.
THE PROJECT IS TO INCLUDE AN AMENDMENT TO THE APPROVED COA FOR AN INFILL HOUSE TO ADD FILL TO THE LOT, ELIMINATING THE BASEMENT, AND ELEVATE THE GARAGE AND DRIVEWAY.
SO STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO THE APPLICATION, UH, DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, 2.1, 0.12 AND THREE FOR UTILITIES, 2.32, THREE AND SIX FOR LANDSCAPING.
2.4, 0.34 AND SEVEN FOR FENCES AND GARDEN WALLS.
2.5 FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, 2.62 AND TWO FOR PARKING, 2.7 0.1 AND TWO FOR WATERFRONT MODIFICATIONS.
2.9 0.3 FOR DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, 2, 3, 4, AND FIVE FOR INFILL CONSTRUCTION.
3.1, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR FOR FOUNDATIONS.
4.1 0.2, 3, 4, 5 AND SIX FOR WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION, 4.2 0.4 AND FIVE FOR WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS.
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FOR ENTRANCES.4.5 0.4 AND SIX FOR DECKS AND PATIOS.
5.4, 0.2, THREE, FOUR AND SIX FOR CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS.
STATEMENTS OF FACT BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION IN STAFF'S JUDGMENT.
R LAUREN, THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
PROPOSAL IS AN INFILL AND ACCESSORY STRUCTURE PROJECT.
THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES.
THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
AND FIVE, THE APPLICATION IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
THE APPLICATION DOES NOT INCLUDE SOME INFORMATION RELATED TO COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT.
THAT REQUIRES REVIEW BY EITHER STAFF OR THE HPC.
IF THE APPLICATION IS APPROVED, THE FOLLOWING CONDITION SHOULD BE MADE FOR THE COA PLANS AND INFORMATION FOR THE UTILITIES.
AND THE EXTERIOR LIGHTING SHALL BE APPROVED BY AND ACOA ISSUED BY HPC STAFF BEFORE THE FINAL INSPECTION FOR THESE TRADES WILL BE CONDUCTED BY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR.
THAT'S THE END OF OUR STATUS REPORT.
UH, SARAH, ANY FINAL COMMENTS BEFORE WE GET, WE'LL COME ON UP HERE.
'CAUSE BEFORE WE GET STARTED, JUST HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
I DON'T REMEMBER THE PEER BEING PART OF THE FIRST APPLICATION, AND I ASSUME IT'S NOT PART OF THIS APPLICATION IS, SIR, WE DID IT SEPARATELY.
SO THAT WAS A WHOLE SEPARATE APPLICATION THAT'S BEEN APPROVED.
SO WE DON'T NEED TO REVIEW THAT.
UM, AND THEN SECONDLY, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, UH, MATT WENT OVER, UH, A NUMBER OF THE CHANGES PROPOSED RELATIVE TO THE DRAWINGS.
AND WE HAD A, A GOOD DISCUSSION AND ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT CERTAIN THINGS MEANT AND WHAT ELEVATION THEY WERE OR WHAT GRADING WAS CHANGING.
HAS ANYTHING CHANGED IN YOUR PRESENTATION TONIGHT THAT WAS NOT REFLECTED IN OUR DESIGN REVIEW MEETING RELATIVE TO THE GRADES? AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE, UM, UH, THE SEAWALL, YOU KNOW, BEING IN A DIFFERENT PLACE AT DESIGN REVIEW AND YEAH, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE ALL THE, AS A BODY OF COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE ALL UP TO SPEED ON THE NUANCES OF OUR DISCUSSION.
THE, THE ONLY THING THAT'S CHANGED ON MY DRAWINGS ARE I PUT IN THE, THE NEW RETAINING WALL THAT THE SURVEYOR HAD.
AND SO, AND ALSO, UM, THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WAS CLOSER TO THE HOUSE FOR SOME REASON.
AND SO WE'VE MOVED THAT BACK FARTHER AWAY SO THAT IT'S NOW FAR ENOUGH AWAY.
BUT, UM, YOU'LL SEE THAT, THAT THAT NEW RETAINING WALL GIVES A LOT MORE, YOU KNOW, LAND OUT IN FRONT OF THAT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WHERE THERE WASN'T BEFORE IT WAS KIND OF IN THE WETLAND AREA.
SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY THING THAT'S CHANGED ON MY DRAWING.
NOTHING WITH THE HEIGHTS THAT'S ALL BEEN APPROVED AND WHAT WAS PRIOR.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THE WHERE THE HOUSE IS BEING, UM, THE, THE SEVENTH FOOT WHERE WE'D LIKE TO START FROM THE FOUNDATION FROM MATCHES THE YELLOW HOUSE TO THE LEFT.
AND SO THAT SLOPE UP FROM THE SIDEWALK TO THAT SEVEN FOOT MATCHES THAT YELLOW HOUSE.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
SO, UH, COMMISSIONERS, WHERE WOULD WE LIKE TO START? WELL, I DON'T SEE WHERE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGED THE NATURE OF THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION.
WE'RE BASICALLY TALKING ABOUT A CHANGE IN THE RETAINING WALL, UH, SLIGHT CHANGE IN THE GARAGE ELEVATION AND THEN ELIMINATION IN THE BASEMENT, WHICH REALLY ISN'T OBVIOUS FROM THE STREET FOR THE MOST PART.
AND REMOVING THE, UH, GARDEN WALL.
REMOVING THE RE YEAH, THE GARDEN WALL.
SO I DON'T SEE HOW THE AMENDMENT AFFECTS THE ORIGINAL NATURE OF THE APPLICATION, WHICH YOU'RE MEANING, UH, MEANS IT QUALIFIES AS AN AMENDMENT AS OPPOSED TO A WHOLE NEW COA.
ANY OTHER THOUGHTS, OBSERVATIONS? NO, I AGREE.
THE, THE, THE GARAGE IS OBVIOUSLY SECONDARY AS ALL THE THINGS WE DECIDED THE FIRST TIME AROUND AND, UH, MATERIALS, THE DESIGN, EVERYTHING IS APPROPRIATE TO THE GUIDELINES.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO AMEND
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THE APPLICATION? UH, MR. CHAIRMANUH, I FIND THAT WE FIND THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR SEVEN 20 EAST FRONT STREET TO BE NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH ER'S.
CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTIONS 15 DASH FOUR 11 TO 15 DASH 4 29 AND NUMEROUS HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT, UH, FOR THE APPLICABLE GUIDELINES, 2.2, 0.2 0.3 2.3 0.1 2.3 0.2, 2.3 0.3 2.3 0.6, 2.4 0.3 2.4 0.4 2.4 0.7.
FENCE, UH, THE FENCES AND GUARD WALLS, 2.5 0.1, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, 2.6 2.62.
WATERFRONT MODIFICATIONS, 2.93.
DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.3 0.23, 3.1 0.4 3.1 0.5.
INFILL CONSTRUCTION, 4.3 0.4 0.1 3.4 0.2 3.4 0.3 3.4 0.4 FOUNDATIONS, 4.1 0.2, 4.34 POINT
TRIM ORNAMENTATION FOUR POINT 0.4 0.5.
WHEN THIS DOOR OF OPENING 4.3 0.2, 4.3 0.3.
ROOFS, 4.5 0.4, 4.5 0.6 DECK AND PATIOS, 4.6 0.2 MASONRY, FOUR POINT, UH, UH, 5.1 0.3 5 5, 5 0.6.
PAINT 5.4 0.5 0.4 0.3 5.4 0.56.
CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS, 5.5 0.1 5.5 0.2 5.5 0.3 5.5 0.5 AND 5.5 0.6.
FINDINGS OF FACT, UH, THE PROJECT IS A TYPE WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
THE, UH, PROPOSAL IS FOR, UH, AN INFILL, UH, AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE PROJECT.
THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE GUIDELINES.
ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, UH, CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR HAVE IMPROVED, HAVE, UH, REVIEWED THE PROJECT AND COMMENTED, UH, AND THE PROJECT IS NOT IN CONGRESS WITH THE GUIDELINES AND THE CONDITION IS THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT WILL COME BACK, UH, WITH PLANES, UH, AND INFORMATION ON UTILITIES, LANDSCAPING AND EXTERIOR LIGHTING WHEN THOSE DECISIONS HAVE BEEN MADE.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? JUST, JUST A QUESTION.
COULD WE ALLOW THE STAFF TO DEAL WITH SECOND COA WITH WHAT AMENDMENT MAY TO DEAL WITH? WHAT COULD WE ALLOW THE STAFF TO DEAL WITH THE SECOND PART OF THE COA IN THE CONDITION? OH, SOME OF THOSE ARE MINOR WORKS.
UH, THEY'RE ALL GENERALLY MINOR WORKS.
WELL, HE DIDN'T READ THAT PART OF IT.
SO IF, IF YOU CAN AMEND YOUR MOTION TO, UH, IF YOU PREFER, IF YOU WOULD LIKE, UH, TO INCLUDE THE REST OF THE CONDITION AS RECOMMENDED.
UM, A THOUGHT STATE THAT PLANS, PLANS AND INFORMATION FOR UTILITIES, LANDSCAPING, THE EXTERIOR LIGHTING, UM, UH, CAN BE APPROVED, UH, A CO ISSUE BY THE STAFF CONTINUE, UH, BEFORE FINAL INSPECTION FOR THE, FOR THESE TRADES WILL BE CONDUCTED BY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR.
BUT I JUST TO CLARIFY, BY INCLUDING THAT, THAT, UM, MAKES IT CLEAR TO THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS, UH, WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO, UM, IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT
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THE COA IS, UH, AND THESE CONDITIONS ARE ADHERED TO.SO DOES EVERYONE, UH, UNDERSTAND THE MOTION AT THIS POINT? ALRIGHT, WAS THERE A SECOND MR. PRESIDING OFFICER? I THOUGHT THERE WAS, OR DID WE JUST, I STILL YOU DID, BUT NOW DON'T JUMP INTO DISCUSSION.
I SECOND IT BEFORE, BUT THEN WE HAD GO BACK.
SO WE, DO WE NEED A SECOND OF THE AMENDED MOTION YOU'RE SAYING? CORRECT? YES.
I, I, I SECOND THE AMENDED MOTION.
ALRIGHT, SO NOW WE'VE GOT, GOT OUR OPERATION IN ORDER, UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SO HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
AND DOES THIS NEED THE APPROVAL OF THE NOTICE OF THE WRITTEN, WRITTEN DECISION? YES, SIR.
SO CAN WE HAVE A, A MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE WRITTEN DECISION? FIRST MOTION.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, ADJUST THE WRITTEN DECISION.
UH, IT SAYS, UH, NUMBER ONE, OKAY.
THE APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND, UH, UH, CAUGHT THAT, UH, MR. THOMPSON, UH, REALIZE THAT THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
SO I'D LIKE TO CHANGE THE, UM, OR SUGGEST CHANGE TO THE WRITTEN DECISION THAT IT SAYS THE APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR SEVEN 20 EAST FRONT STREET, ET CETERA.
UM, SO PERHAPS GREGORY, YOU COULD APPROVE, I APPROVE THE MOTION, OR, SO YOU MOVED TO RECOMMEND YOU MOVED TO APPROVE THE WRITTEN DECISION WITH THE AMENDMENT PROPOSED BY MR. SHOW.
I, UH, MOVE TO APPROVE THE WRITTEN AMENDMENT FOR THE, UH, AMENDMENT OF MR. SHE S UM, APPROVING THE, UH, AMENDMENT.
I, UH, I PRESUME WE NEED A SECOND FROM THAT.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? AND WE GOT A SECOND, SO WE'RE GONNA STRUGGLE THROUGH IT.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
SO THOSE CONDITIONS WON'T HOLD UP THE BUILDINGS PERMIT, IT'S JUST BEFORE FINAL COA.
OH, BEFORE FINAL, UM, INSPECTION.
[3.E. 506 CRAVEN ST. – to include the removal of a carport and construction of a new 2- story garage in the Secondary AVC.]
SO THE, UH, NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA, 5 0 6 CRAVEN STREET.UH, SO THIS IS THE APPLICATION AND, UH, IT'S BEEN FILLED OUT ON THE FRONT AND SIGNED BY THE AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE AND DATED, AND HERE IS, UH, THEIR OWNER'S AUTHORIZATION.
UM, SO THIS IS THE SUBJECT HOUSE.
AND THIS SHOWS THE, ESSENTIALLY THE FRONT ELEVATION, OBLIQUE ELEVATION OF THE HOUSE.
AND WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE MOVE DOWN TO THE NEXT PAGE.
WE HAVE SOME MORE, UH, PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, AGAIN, THAT ELEVATION.
AND NOW THIS IS, UH, IN THE MIDDLE IS THE REAR OF THE HOUSE.
UH, AND THEN THE THIRD ONE IS THE, UH, CARPORT YARD VIEW OF THE CARPORT THAT IS TO BE REMOVED.
AND THEN THIS IS THE STREET VIEW OF THE CARPORT TO BE REMOVED.
UH, MOVING DOWN, THESE ARE SOME OTHER SIMILAR PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, GARAGES AND DEEP ATTACHED, I MEAN, SORRY, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.
ALL RIGHT, THEN THIS, THIS IS THE SITE PLAN, MAKE IT SMALLER.
THE SITE PLAN FOR THE PROJECT.
UH, THE, UH, SUBJECT, UH, NOT SUBJECT, BUT THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IS HERE ON THE LEFT, UH, THE TWO STORY FRAME DWELLING.
AND THEN, UH, ON THIS AWKWARD SHAPED, UH, PARCEL, THE, UH, CARPORT AND THE PROPOSED GARAGE ARE HERE ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
AND, UM, THE ONE CHANGE THAT HAS HAPPENED SINCE THE DESIGN REVIEW
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IS, UH, UH, THEY ADDED TO THE APPLICATION TO REMOVE THE DEAD TREE HERE ON THE CORNER, WHICH IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE STRUCTURE.SEE, HERE'S A PHOTOGRAPH OF, UH, AND THEN, UH, THIS IS THE SAME SET OF PLANS AS BEFORE.
OH, I GUESS I SHOULD PROBABLY INDICATE.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, DIMENSIONS LOCATING THE STRUCTURE FROM THE PROPERTY LINES, UH, SIX FEET FROM, UH, THE, I GUESS IT WOULD BE THE NORTHEAST PROPERTY LINE, AND THREE FEET FROM THE, UH, NORTHWEST PROPERTY LINE HERE IN THIS CORNER.
AND 10 FOOT THREE INCHES FROM THE, UM, STREET SIDE PROPERTY LINE.
AND THEN IT IS WAY MORE THAN EIGHT FEET FROM THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
SO THESE ARE THE PLANS, AGAIN, HAVEN'T CHANGED.
UH, THE ELEVATIONS ARE THE SAME AS IN DESIGN VIEW.
UH, THIS ELEVATION ON THE LEFT IS THE STREET FACING ELEVATION OF THE GARAGE DOORS, UH, AND A SMALL WINDOW ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
THE, UH, ENTRANCE DOOR IS HERE IN THE SHADOWS ON THE RIGHT AND YOU CAN SEE A, THE SIDE OF THE BALCONY HERE ON THE LEFT.
UH, THEN THIS RIGHT VIEW HERE IS THE VIEW TOWARDS THE OR FROM THE, UM, THAT'S OR IS FACING THE YARD.
UH, AND SO WE HAVE, UH, A DOUBLE SET OF DOORS HERE INTO A STORAGE ROOM AND THEN A BALCONY ABOVE THAT.
AND ON THIS VIEW YOU CAN SEE THAT THE GARAGE DOORS DO HAVE A SMALL LITTLE METAL SHED ROOF OVER THE DOOR OVER THE GARAGE DOORS, WHICH IF YOU LOOK BACK AT THAT, UH, ELEVATION ON THE LEFT, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE.
THEN THE, UH, UH, BACK SIDE OF THE GARAGE HAS TWO WINDOWS AT THE FIRST FLOOR AND TWO AT THE SECOND.
YOU CAN SEE THE SIDE VIEW OF THE BALCONY HERE.
AND THEN AS YOU GO AROUND TO THE LAST, THE FOURTH SIDE, UM, AT THE NORTHEAST, UM, SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, UM, YOU HAVE THE GARAGE DOOR OVERHANG HERE ON THE LEFT.
UH, AND THEN THIS IS A SECOND DOORWAY IN THIS, UH, UM, ALCOVE, SORRY, A WINDOW FACING THAT SIDE, ANOTHER DOOR FA AT THE, ON THE BACK REAR.
AND THEN A SMALL WINDOW AT THE TOP.
YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE HERE, UM, UH, DOUBLE SETS OF GABLE END ROOFING HERE.
AND UH, WE'LL SEE THAT HERE IN A SECOND ON THE ROOF.
SO TO COME BACK HERE TO THE PLAN, SO WE ARE LOOKING AT TWO DOORS IN THAT ALCOVE.
ONE GOES INTO THE GARAGE DIRECTLY AND THE OTHER ONE GOES TO A STAIRWAY TO THE TOP.
AND THAT OTHER DOOR ON THE SIDE IS FOR A STORAGE UH, SPACE.
ALRIGHT, SO THAT IS THE DESIGN AND WE HAVE OUR ZONING AND INSPECTORS REPORT.
SO THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR SAYS THAT IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE PER THE SITE PLAN.
ALL SETBACKS ARE SHOWN BEING MET, THEN THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR INDICATED IT WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.
AND THEN WE'RE READY WITH OUR RECOMMEND OUR, UH, EVALUATION AND FINDINGS.
UM, ANYTHING THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO ADD BEFORE WE MOVE ON? YES.
UM, THE OWNER HAS SPOKEN WITH AN ARBORIST AND WE ARE AWAITING THAT FINAL REPORT WITH THE STAMP, BUT, UH, IN THE MEANTIME WE HAVE, UH, THIS REPORT ABOUT THE TREE.
AND, UM, I THINK IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS FROM LOOKING AT IT THAT THAT TREE IS NOT A HEALTHY TREE.
UM, AND I APOLOGIZE WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS AT THE
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PREVIOUS MEETING.UM, I ALSO WANT TO ADD THAT WE HAVE, UM, WE LOOKED AT THE SANBORN MAPS AND THERE, UH, I THOUGHT I PUT THAT IN MY APPLICATION, BUT I APPARENTLY HAVE NOT.
UM, THERE IS, ON THE SANDBAR MAPS, THERE IS A STRUCTURE ROUGHLY WHERE THE CARPORT IS.
AND IN THIS DESIGN, UH, WE HAVE TRIED TO STAY WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE EXISTING, UM, CARDBOARD.
SO THE DISTANCE FROM THE PROPERTY LINES IS WHAT THEY ARE.
RIGHT NOW IT IS A, IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, YOU KIND OF SEE IT KIND OF STICKS OUT A LITTLE BIT FARTHER, UM, TOWARDS THE HOUSE.
THEN WHAT WE'VE GOT IT, AND I SHOULD HAVE JUST INCLUDED THE STRAIGHT SURVEY THE WAY IT WAS, BUT ON THE, THE LEFT WHERE WE'VE GOT THE LITTLE STORAGE SHED, THERE'S KIND OF A PAD THAT KIND OF STICKS OUT THERE.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO, TO STAY WITHIN THAT FOOTPRINT BECAUSE WE WANT IT TO BE SENSITIVE THAT, UM, IT'S PLACEMENT ON THE LOT IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE WOULD NORMALLY DO AND IT IS JUST A VERY ODD SHAPE LOT.
SO THE, THE IDEA WAS TO MAKE IT ALMOST LOOK LIKE A SMALL HOUSE AS IF IT ALONG THE STREET SCAPE THAT IT FIT IN THAT WAY.
AND IF, IF YOU CAN GO TO THE PHOTOGRAPHS, I'D LIKE TO JUST POINT OUT A COUPLE OF THINGS.
UH, WE CAN JUST, UM, FOR THE EXAMPLE PROJECTS, OH, SORRY, WHICH ONE WOULD YOU LIKE? UM, IF WE COULD START WITH ANY OF THEM, UM, JUST, JUST TO POINT OUT THAT THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, TWO STORY STRUC, TWO FULL STORY STRUCTURES AND WHAT WE'VE, UM, DONE.
THE ONE, THAT ONE RIGHT THERE ON HANCOCK STREET IS THE SAME AS THIS ONE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER I BROUGHT THIS PROJECT THROUGH WHICH, UM, THEY HAVE NOT COMPLETED THAT PROJECT YET, BUT TO DO, UM, AN OPPOSITE GABLE ON EITHER SIDE TO GIVE MORE LIVING SPACE BELOW.
AND SO WE'VE TRIED TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE SIDEWALL.
SO THE SIDEWALL OF OF THAT SECOND STORY IS NOT A FULL STORY LIKE THE YELLOW ONE OR THE BRICK ONE, WHICH ARE A FULL TWO STORY.
WE'VE TRIED TO JUST KEEP THAT A LOWER PROFILE AND JUST BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S A, IT'S A LARGE STRUCTURE AND THERE'S NOT A LARGE STRUCTURE RIGHT NOW AND, UM, THAT MAY BE, UM, OFFENSIVE TO SOME PEOPLE OR CAUSE EXCITEMENT.
AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE TWO STORY ACCESSORY STRUCTURES ARE PREVALENT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND UH, WE'RE TRYING TO BE SENSITIVE TO KEEPING IT AS LOW AS POSSIBLE.
I THINK THAT THERE'S ANOTHER ONE DOWN BELOW ANOTHER PHOTOGRAPH.
SO THIS ONE ON LYNDON STREET OR ACTUALLY FACES LYNDON STREET AND IT, YOU CAN SEE ABOVE THE GARAGE SPACE THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF WALL AND THAT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING FOR THIS STRUCTURE THAT ABOVE THOSE GARAGE DOORS YOU HAVE THAT FIVE FOOT STEM WALL AND THEN YOU CAN HAVE OPEN SPACE UP THERE.
SO THE, AND ON LINDEN STREET, THAT GARAGE FACES LINDEN STREET AS THIS ONE FACES CRAVEN STREET.
AND I ALSO INCLUDED, UM, A HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET WHICH WE HAD DONE A PROJECT ON THAT HAS A GARAGE DOOR THAT FACES, UH, UM, UH, CHANGE STREET THAT, THAT'S IN THE BACKYARD OF THE PROJECT THAT THAT FACES CHANGE STREET.
BUT IT IS A LITTLE BIT TO THE LEFT.
THE ACTUAL PROJECT OR THE, THE HOUSE ITSELF.
OH, WELL IT'S ON THERE SOMEWHERE.
YEAH, THAT ONE'S ON EACH FRONT.
OH, I SHOULD PUT THEM NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
SO JUST TRYING TO GIVE SOME CONTEXT TO HOW WE WERE THINKING ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND TRY TO BE SENSITIVE TO IT.
AND I HAVE THE SAND BOARD MAPS IF, IF ANYONE WANTS TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
UM, ON THE SANDBORN MAP IT SHOWS A STRUCTURE AND WHAT APPEARS TO BE STAIRS
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TO A SECOND STORY.UM, A FOOT, A FIRST FLOOR AND A SECOND.
OH, A SINGLE STORY AND A TWO STORY STRUCTURE ON THAT LOT.
DO YOU WANT TO PASS THAT? YEAH, SURE.
THE WHY ARE YOU DOING THAT? WHAT IS THE DATE OF THAT SAMPLE MAP? UM, I DON'T HAVE IT WRITTEN HERE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, BUT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 1888 AND, WHAT WAS IT? 1948.
AND SO WE'VE GOT ANOTHER PIECE OF EVIDENCE CIRCULATING.
UM, THAT KIND OF BRINGS US TO THE POINT OF DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED IN ITS COMPLETENESS FOR ITS PURPOSE? AND I REALIZE YOU CAN'T SPEAK TO THE PIECE THAT HASN'T COME AROUND YET, BUT I THINK WE'RE OKAY.
BUT I JUST THOUGHT I'D BRING IT UP SINCE WE'VE GOT SOME NEW MATERIAL.
I'VE ALSO CIRCLED IT ON THERE 'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THERE.
AND WHILE THIS IS GOING AROUND, I, I THINK WE'RE OKAY WITH THE, UH, ADDITIONAL PAPERWORK.
UH, IS THERE ANYONE WHO RECEIVED NOTIFICATION WE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST, UH, THE PROJECT AND MR. PRESIDING OFFICER, IF YOU COULD HAVE EACH SPEAKER GIVE THEIR NAME AND THEIR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
I'M ROBERT RUFF AND I LIVE AT FIVE 10 CRAVEN STREET, WHICH IS THE ADJOINING PROPERTY.
EVERYONE WHO WILL STILL SPEAK TO ME CALLS ME MIKE.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO COMMEND RICHARD AND LINDA FOR TAKING ON WHAT'S GONNA BE QUITE A PROJECT ON THAT PROPERTY.
UM, IT HAS GREAT HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE.
I'M SPEAKING AS A PROPERTY OWNER TONIGHT AND I'LL TRY TO STAY AS A PROPERTY OWNER IN THIS.
UM, I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 2016, LIVE AT THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR.
THE FIRST THING I NOTICED WHEN I BOUGHT THE HOUSE IS, PLEASE SOMEBODY GET RID OF THAT CARPORT.
UM, THE SITE, UH, I WANT TO SAY ONE THING.
I I DISAGREE THAT IT'S IN THE SECONDARY, UH, A, B, C BECAUSE CHANGE STREET HAS A SIDEWALK AND CURB CUTS.
I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE LOCATIONS THAT'S IN THE PRIMARY, SECONDARY AND TERTIARY A, B, C FOR CHANGE STREET.
IT'S BEHIND THE HOUSE, BUT IT'S COMPLETELY VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.
EVERYTHING IS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET AND IT'S WITHIN 10 FEET OF THE SIDEWALK.
NOW GRANTED THERE ARE A LOT OF SIDEWALKS, A LOT OF HOUSES THAT ARE LARGE IN SCALE THAT, UH, BUT TO THEIR SIDEWALKS.
BUT THE SIDEWALKS CAME AFTER THE HOUSES, NOT THE HOUSES COMING UP THE SIDEWALK.
SO IN TERMS OF, UH, THE DESIGN ITSELF AND, AND THE ELEVATIONS THAT I'VE SEEN, THAT'S A
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REMARKABLE DESIGN AND IT WOULD FIT JUST ABOUT ANYWHERE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT EXCEPT ON THAT SITE FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS.THIS IS, UH, IN REFERENCE TO 2.1 0.3.
IT'S PROPORTIONAL TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, NO PROBLEMS THERE, BUT IN SCALE IT'S TOO TALL IN PROPORTION TO ALL OF THE OTHER HOUSES ON THE STREET.
THERE ARE ACTUALLY TWO HOUSES ON THAT STREET THAT ARE LOWER IN PROFILE THAN THAT HOUSE.
THOSE HOUSES ARE VERY TIGHTLY WOVEN TOGETHER.
AND IF YOU STAND ON THE STREET, IT'S GOING AND, AND LOOK DOWN THE STREET, IT'S GOING TO STAND OUT THAT THAT HOUSE IS TALL.
UM, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY WAY OF MEASURING THIS, BUT I MAKE THE ROOF LINE ON THAT HOUSE OF 29 FEET.
THE RIDGE, UH, THAT'S A LITTLE HIGH, THAT'S HIGHER THAN MANY OF THE SMALL HOUSES.
YOU, THE BRADHAM RENTAL HOUSES ARE SMALLER THAN THAT.
UH, THE TAIL AND PITCOCK HOUSE NEXT DOOR IS LOWER THAN THAT.
SO YOU HAVE A BIG HOUSE, A LOW HOUSE, AND A HOUSE IN BETWEEN.
SOME HEIGHT THAT'S TOO HIGH AS A TWO STORY HOUSE.
CAN I INTERRUPT YOU FOR A SECOND? WHEN YOU'RE SAYING HOUSE, YOU, YOU MEAN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, SORRY.
UM, AS TO IT BEING INTO THE PRIMARY, UH, A, B, C BY YOUR OWN EXAMPLE IN THE GUIDELINES, IT'S ON THE CORNER AND THE LOT HAS, IT GOES, EXTENDS DOWN TWO STREETS.
YOU HAVE ONE ON THE STREET ADDRESS SIDE AND ONE ON THE SIDE STREET.
UH, I BELIEVE THIS HOUSE SITS IN IT.
THAT'S 2.6 0.1, IN WHICH THEY SAY THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE OKAY IN SECONDARY AND TERTIARIES, BUT NOT GENERALLY APPROVED IN PRIMARIES.
UM, NOW TO 2.4 0.1, WHICH IS LANDSCAPING.
NONE OF THESE EXAMPLES HERE OF PROJECTS HAVE A CANOPY OVER THEM.
THIS ONE WOULD, SITTING SEVEN AND A HALF FEET FROM THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THIS STRUCTURE IS A PANIC ABOUT A HUNDRED YEARS OLD.
IT IS 13 FOOT IN TRUNK CIRCUMFERENCE AND IT'S 80 FEET TALL.
UM, THE CANOPY TOWARDS CHAIN STREET OVERHANGS THIS STRUCTURE SOME YEARS AGO.
AND CONCERN FOR AFTER FLORENCE AND CONCERN FOR THE LIMBS OF THAT TREE, WHICH IS ON MY PROPERTY, UM, BEING UNHEALTHY AND BEING IN DANGER, I TRIMMED UP THAT TREE.
I TRIMMED IT, UH, FIVE THE ABOVE, UM, THE TATUM AND PITCOCK HOUSE AS A COURTESY TO THEM.
THE LOWEST LIMB IN MY YARD IS AT 10 FEET.
THE LOWEST LIMB IN THE TATUM PITCOCK YARD IS ABOUT 20 FEET.
IF WE SOUGHT CANOPY RELIEF FOR THAT TREE TO BUILD THIS ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, THE HEIGHT WOULD BE 31 FEET AND WE'D LOSE 12 FEET OF CANOPY OVER THE HOUSE IN ORDER TO GIVE THEM FIVE FEET.
IF WE ASSUME THAT THE PEAK OF THE ROOF IS, UH, 29 FEET, IT'S ON THE DRAWING.
SO, UH, WELL, WE, WE'LL GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO SPEAK AFTER MIKE'S DONE.
OH, UM, SO IN THAT REGARD, IT IS OUT OF SCALE OR WE DON'T HAVE AN ARBORIST REPORT FOR MY TREE, WHICH WOULD BE AFFECTED.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY THAT THAT IS.
I'M NOT BUILDING THE STRUCTURE, SO I DON'T KNOW WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY HAVE YOU THAT, BUT THOSE ARE THE THREE THINGS THAT, THAT, UH, WE, WE BELIEVE THAT IT'S OUT OF SCALE AND THAT IT'S IN A PRIMARY, UH, A, B, C, AND, UH, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES ARE NOT GENERALLY APPROVED IN THE PRIMARY A, B, C.
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UH, SARAH, WOULD YOU NOW LIKE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REBUT? SORRY, I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THINGS BECAUSE, UH, ON THE DRAWINGS ON THE ELEVATION, WE HAVE THE HEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE AT 25 FEET.AND, UM, I DON'T HAVE, UM, I, I'VE MEASURED THE ENTIRE ACTUAL HOUSE, AND SO I KNOW HOW FAR IT SITS ABOVE THE FLOOR.
AND I KNOW THE HEIGHT OF EACH OF THE, THE, THE FIRST FLOOR IS SECOND FLOOR AND ATTIC SPACE.
AND ASSUMING THAT THE ROOF, YOU KNOW, IS, IS UP ABOVE THAT, I CALCULATE THAT AT ABOUT 30 FEET FOR THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
UM, SO THIS STRUCTURE IS, IS WELL BELOW THAT.
UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT ON THE DRAWINGS, IT DOES, IT'S NOT 29 FEET, IT'S 25 FOOT.
AND YOU KNOW, WITH, YOU KNOW, IF WE CHANGE THAT ROOF SLOPE DOWN TO A SIX 12, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE LIKE 23 FEET.
AND ALSO TO POINT OUT THAT, UM, LIKE THE PREVIOUS STRUCTURE, THE PREVIOUS PROJECTS ON SEVEN 20 EAST FRONT STREET, THAT IS ROUGHLY THE SAME HEIGHT AS THIS STRUCTURE.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST THINKING ABOUT AND ALL THE EXAMPLES THAT I GAVE, THAT THOSE ARE SIMILAR IN HEIGHT TO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
UM, I TRYING TO POINT THAT OUT AGAIN.
IF I MAY BEFORE WE PROCEED, YES.
I'M GONNA TRY AND FIX THE TECHNICAL ISSUES.
DO YOU MIND IF WE BLINK? YOU GUYS CAN'T SEE ANYTHING.
DO YOU MIND IF WE CONTINUE? YEAH, I GUESS SO.
AS LONG AS NOBODY, SO MY, MY NEXT STEP WAS GOING TO BEGA, UH, BE TO ASK IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER, UH, UH, FOLKS WHO RECEIVE NOTICE, WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE APPLICATION.
I LIVE AT TWO 17 CHAIN STREET, ALMOST DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PROPOSAL FOR THIS GARAGE, WHICH WILL FACE MY STREET.
AND I AGREE THAT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY IN A TERTIARY AREA ON THE, IN YOUR GUIDELINES, IT STATES, UM, LOCATED SENSOR STRUCTURES IN SECONDARY OR TERTIARY AND BEHIND PRIMARY STRUCTURES.
WHEN POSSIBLE ARY STRUCTURES OUGHT TO BE SECONDARY TO PRIMARY STRUCTURES IN REGARD TO MASS SCALE, FORM AND TEXTURE.
THIS HOUSE, UH, AND THEN ON IN 2.62, IT IS A PROGRAM OF OUTBOUND AND SIMILAR STRUCTURES WITH SUBSTANTIAL FOUNDATIONS SHALL SIMILAR FORM AND DETAILING IT.
PRIMARY STRUCTURES REDUCE THOSE ELEMENTS TO SCALE, TO COMPLIMENT OUR BUILDINGS MASSING AND INCORPORATE MASS ON EIGHT AND SIMPLE ELEMENTS AND FAIL UNDER THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
IF THIS ROOF LINE WOULD CHANGE TO A SIMPLE ROOF LINE REMOVE, IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT IT IS NECESSARY TO HAVE BALCONIES ARE FROM A SECOND FLOOR GARAGE, IF THAT'S GOING TO BE STORAGE AREA, UNLESS THIS IS PROPOSAL IS PROPOSING, THERE'S GONNA BE LIVING SPACE UP THERE.
AND THE, THE GUIDELINES, OR FOR WHAT I'VE SEEN DOESN'T INDICATE THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE LIVING SPACE, BUT STORAGE SPACE OR WHY COULD BE REDESIGNED TO CHANGE THE ROOF LINE, REMOVE SOME OF THIS WIDTH OF THE GARAGE, AND, UM, POSSIBLY CHANGE THE ACCESS TO THE STORAGE, SECOND DOOR STORAGE, THE INTERIOR OF THE GARAGE.
IT'S A MASSIVE STRUCTURE TO BE SITTING RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE.
AND I WOULD LIKE YOU TO LOOK, LOOK AT THE MASSES MASSIVENESS OF THIS STRUCTURE AND RECONSIDER THE SIZE THAT IT WILL COM COMPILE, COMPARE TO THE STRUCTURES THERE, IT WILL DRAW OFF, UM, THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR.
UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, AND ALSO THE TREE THAT WAS REFERRED TO AS A, UM, IT'S A PECAN TREE.
AND THE REASON IT LOOKS THE WAY IT GOES TODAY IS BECAUSE MOST RECENTLY THE CITY CAME BY AND SHEARED MANY THE LIMBS FROM THE TREE BECAUSE OF THE POWER LINES, BUT NOT, THE TREE IS NOT DEAD AND IT'S NOT IN BAD SHAPE, IT'S JUST THAT THE CITY CAME AND CUT THE LIMBS,
SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THE LIFE OF THE TREE WAS ALLOWED TO MOVE OUT AGAIN.
SO I'D LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER THE, THE MASSIVENESS OF THIS
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STRUCTURE AND HOW IT RELATES TO CHAIN STREET, HOW IT RELATES TO THE HOUSE.IT'S SORT OF AN OVERKILL, I THINK, UM, BECAUSE OF THE MASSIVENESS OF IT TO HAVE THE BOUNDARIES AND ALL THIS EXTRA AND SUCH A BROAD ROOF LINE.
UH, REBUTTAL, UH, WE'VE HANDED IN THE, THE ONE OPINION FROM, UM, THE TREE EXPERT THAT WE'VE HAD OUT THERE WHO SAYS THE TREE IS, UH, NOT IN GOOD SHAPE AND NEEDS TO BE REMOVED, AND WE'RE WAITING ON THE, THE ARBORIST STAMP FOR THE ACTUAL ARBORIST.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE TREE, ALL THE OTHER ONES AROUND IT ARE GREEN AND THIS ONE IS, UH, BEAR.
BUT REGARDLESS, UM, THE, THE SIZE OF THE GARAGE, UM, IT, IT'S NOT ANY, UH, IT'S THE SAME, IT'S THE SAME FOOTPRINT AS THE CARPORT.
IT'S NOT, UM, AN OVERLY SIZED GARAGE.
UM, THE EXAMPLES THAT, THAT WE'VE ALSO SHOWN IN THE, IN THE DISTRICT ARE SIMILAR SIZE.
IT'S A TWO BAY GARAGE WITH THE SIDE WINGS.
UM, IN ORDER TO KEEP THE STAIR FROM BEING INSIDE THE GARAGE, UH, WE PUT IT ON THE OUTSIDE AND HAD THAT LOWER ROOF TO KIND OF JUST GIVE IT SOME DEFINITION SO THAT IT WASN'T JUST A BOX WITH A ROOF.
SO THAT HAD A LITTLE BIT OF CHARACTER, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND TRIED TO, UH, GIVE A NOD TO THE HOUSE ITSELF WITH THE, THE, UM, THE FRONT FACING GABLE AND THE SIDE FACING GABLE.
UM, JUST TO, TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE ATTRACTIVE SINCE IT IS, UM, UH, SO PROMINENT ON THE STREET.
UH, IS THERE ANYONE WHO, UH, HAS RECEIVED NOTICE, WHO HAS SOMETHING NEW TO SHARE THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO, UH, UH, PRESENT YOU BEFORE AGAINST THE APPLICATION? YES, MA'AM.
AND SO I THINK WE CAME UP LIGHT WITH PEOPLE SIGNING IN ON THE SHEET.
SO THOSE OF YOU WHO SPEAK, MAKE SURE YOU'VE SIGNED IN ON THE SHEET.
SO YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.
I LIVE AT FIVE 12 CRAVEN STREET.
I HAVE THREE BRIEF THINGS TO SAY.
FIRST OF ALL, THERE WERE TWO TREES.
THERE'S ONE TREE THAT WAS REFERRED TO BY THE ARCHITECT AND, AND WAS TALKING ABOUT, THERE'S ANOTHER, I BELIEVE IT'S AN OAK THAT MIKE WAS TALKING ABOUT.
THAT IT'S PROBABLY AT LEAST A HUNDRED YEARS OLD, PROBABLY OLDER SECOND.
I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS HAS BEEN FOCUSED ON THE FACT THAT THIS IS ON CRAVEN STREET, THE HOUSE IS ON CRAVEN STREET.
THE ENTRANCE TO THE GARAGE IS GOING TO BE ON CHANGE STREET.
THUS, IF THERE IS ANY LIVING SPACE ABOVE THAT ADDRESS WILL BE CHANGED.
SECOND OF ALL, ON THIRD, I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT THE HOUSE, THE WARD HOUSE DATES BACK TO ABOUT 1770 OR SO.
IT'S ON THE NATIONAL HISTORIC REGISTER.
THERE IS NOTHING IN THE ARCHITECTURE OF THIS GARAGE THAT MAKES IT LOOK LIKE IT BELONGS TO THAT HOUSE.
WE'VE BEEN TOLD SEVERAL TIMES THAT IT'S THE SAME FOOTPRINT AS THE CURRENT CARPORT.
I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE THE POINT THAT A CARPORT BY DEFINITION IS AN OPEN STRUCTURE WITH A ROOF AND POSTS.
THIS IS ONE BIG SOLID BUILDING.
SARAH, DO YOU CARE TO? I I JUST WANT, UM, YEAH.
UM, YES, IT'S A SOLID STRUCTURE.
UM, IT'S NOT INTENDED THAT THAT SECOND FLOOR BE LIVING SPACE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU ALL ARE NOT CONCERNED WITH USE, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, THAT'S NOT THE, THE USE OF IT.
BUT ALSO, UM, WITH THE, THE FOOTPRINT.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FOOTPRINT.
I THINK YOU ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT, THAT FOOTPRINT IS.
UM, AND THE, THE SECOND TREE, WE'RE HAPPY TO, TO LOOK AT IT.
I DON'T EVEN, UM, ACTUALLY KNOW WHERE THAT TREE IS.
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UM, WOULD NEED TO, IT WOULD NEED TO COME DOWN AND THAT, UM, IN ORDER TO DO THIS PROJECT.AND SO HOPEFULLY WE'RE GETTING TOWARDS THE END.
ANY ANYONE ELSE HAVE WANT TO SPEAK FOR AGAINST THE APPLICATION? WHO HAS SOMETHING TO SHARE THAT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT? ARE WE THERE? WE THINK WE'RE THERE.
I, I, I THINK IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE OKAY THERE.
AND, AND, AND SO AS THE APPLICANT, UH, YOU GET ONE LAST CHANCE TO, UM, SPEAK TO THE APPLICATION IF YOU SO CHOOSE.
UH, SARAH, ACTUALLY, I THINK THAT, UH, I'M NOT SURE THERE'S MUCH MORE WE CAN ADD RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
I KNOW WE TALKED, UH, IT THROUGH QUITE A BIT IN DESIGN REVIEW.
AND, UM, HAPPY TO, UH, ANSWER QUESTIONS.
UH, MATT, THAT BRINGS US TO YOUR, UH, STAFF ASSESSMENT IF, IF WE'RE PREPARED TO DO THAT AT THIS POINT.
UH, AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES.
UM, I THINK NOBODY'S GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE THIS.
SO JUST FEELS AWKWARD, NOT ANYONE BEING ABLE TO FOLLOW ALONG.
UH, THE FINDINGS AND EVALUATION FOR RICHARD AND LINDA MICING AND CO ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN FOR 5 0 6 CRAVEN STREET.
THE HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME IS THE SMITH WOODFORD HOUSE CIRCA 1772 TO 1782, REMODELED CIRCA 1875 TO 1880.
THE DATE OF THE CARPORT STRUCTURE IS SHOWN IN THE COURT AS COUNTY ASSESSOR'S INFORMATION AS 1975, BUT THAT IS NOT ENTIRELY RELIABLE FOR ACCURACY.
UH, THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
UH, IT'S NOT LISTED IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY DESCRIPTION.
UH, BUT FOR CONTEXT, THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IS DESCRIBED AS TWO AND A HALF STORIES, FIVE BAYS WIDE TION ATTIC WINDOW GABLE ROOFS, THE SAND BACK DESCRIPTION FROM 1988.
UH, THERE'S ALSO NO REFERENCE TO THE CARPORT HOUSE DETAILS ARE EXTENSIVELY DESCRIBED AND INCLUDES THIS SHORT OVERALL DESCRIPTION.
THE SMITH WHITFORD HOUSE NOW STANDS AS A HANDSOME AND UNUSUAL COMBINATION OF GEORGIAN AND VICTORIAN ARCHITECTURE.
SO FOR 5 0 6 CRAVEN STREET, THE PROJECT IS TO INCLUDE THE REMOVAL OF A CARPORT AND CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW TWO STORY GARAGE.
AND THE SECONDARY A, B, C, UH, STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION.
UH, FOR UTILITIES, 2.3, 0.1, TWO, THREE, AND SIX FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, 2.6 0.12.
UH, PARKING 2.7 0.1 FOR DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.12 AND FOUR FOR FOUNDATIONS.
4.1 0.3 FOR WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION, 4.24 AND FIVE FOR WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS.
4.3 0.2 4.33 FOR ENTRANCES, 4.44 FOR ROOFS, 4.5 0.6 FOR MASONRY.
5.13 5.5 PER PAINT, 5.42, 5.43, AND 5.44 FOR CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS.
STATEMENTS OF FACT, BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION ARE ONE, THE PROPOSED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
THE PROJECT IS NEW CONSTRUCTION OF AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN THE SECONDARY OR TERTIARY AVC THREE OF THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS AND GUIDELINES.
FOUR, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
AND FIVE, THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
SO CONDITIONS, UH, THE APPLICATION DOES NOT INCLUDE SOME INFORMATION RELATED TO COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT.
THAT REQUIRES REVIEW BY EITHER STAFF OF THE HPC.
IF THE APPLICATION IS APPROVED, THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS SHOULD BE MADE FOR THE COA PLANS AND INFORMATION FOR THE UTILITIES.
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SHALL BE APPROVED AND THE COA ISSUED BY HPC STAFF BEFORE THE FINAL INSPECTION FOR THESE TRADES WILL BE CONDUCTED BY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR.THAT CONCLUDES OUR STAFF REPORT.
THANK YOU MUCH, UM, IS HELPFUL IN THE WAY? NOT YET.
I HAVEN'T HAD THE CHANCE TO CALL HIM.
YEAH, WHY DON'T WE SEE IF WE CAN'T GET A LITTLE HELP.
AND SO JUST A QUICK STRAW POLL.
I, I ALSO WANTED TO ADD, I DO, IF I GET THIS UP AND RUNNING AND OR I HAVE HARD COPY AVAILABLE OF THE, UM, EXPLANATION OF WHAT THE, UH, PRIMARY, SECONDARY, AND TERTIARY ABCS, HOW THEY'RE DEFINED IN THE GUIDELINES.
COUNT COUNCIL, MR. UM, CHAIR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS TO GIVE STAFF AN OPPORTUNITY TO REACH OUT TO TECHNICAL SUPPORT? PERHAPS GET I THAT WAS AN EX EXCELLENT IDEA.
UM, CAN WE HAVE A MOTION OR I, I GET DO THAT, DON'T I? SORRY.
DO WE NEED A MOTION FOR THAT? I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION, YES.
SO CAN WE HAVE A MOTION FOR A FIVE MINUTE RECESS? SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY, AYE.
ANY OF THOSE YOU STILL ON? OKAY.
HERE I'M TALKING ABOUT HOLIDAY PLANS.
UH, WE'RE GONNA COME OUTTA RECESS AND RESUME OUR MEETINGS.
AND I THINK, UM, MATT'S TOLD ME WE'VE GOT OUR TECHNICAL PROBLEM SOLVED.
AND THEN, UH, SARAH, DID I GIVE YOU A LAST WORD ON THAT? OKAY.
AND SO I, I THINK THAT TAKES US TO, UM, QUESTIONS, UH, FROM COMMISSIONERS.
SO WE'VE GOT A LOT TO THINK ABOUT.
UM, JUST TO REMIND YOU AND HELP US ALONG THE WAY.
WE'VE GOT A DIAGRAM ON PAGE, UH, WHERE IS THAT RASCAL ONE DASH EIGHT THAT, UM, ILLUSTRATES OUR AREAS OF VISUAL CONCERN.
UM, SO I HAVE ON THE SCREEN, AND WE'VE GOT THAT ON THE SCREEN AS WELL, SO SOMEONE MAY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT AND HOW IT RELATES TO THIS UNIQUE PARCEL.
AND, UH, ALSO WE HEARD A GOOD DEAL OF INPUT ABOUT, UM, SCALE AND PROPORTION AND THINGS OF THOSE NATURE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT IN OUR CONVERSATION, WE'D PROBABLY OUGHT TO TOUCH ON THOSE THINGS AS WELL AS ANYTHING ELSE WE HAVE ON OUR MIND.
SO WHERE WOULD WE LIKE TO START? I'D, I'D LIKE TO START WITH, UM, DURING OUR DESIGN REVIEW, WE DON'T HAVE AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION.
AND SO THE AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION IS VERY IMPORTANT AND, UM, GIVES US INSIGHT TO THINGS WE MAY NOT HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT.
UM, I DO SEE THE, SOME OF THE AUDIENCE POINTS OF VIEW, UH, BEING A CORNER LOT.
THERE'S TWO PRIMARY, UM, TWO, UH, LOCATIONS.
I I THINK IT'S IN THE FOOTPRINT, BUT I THINK THE HEIGHT MIGHT BE AN ISSUE, ESPECIALLY FROM, UM, THE TWO BALCONIES, THE BALCONY THAT LOOKS OVER THE, THE, THE, UH, BACKYARD AND THE ONE ON THE SIDE THAT GOES UP TO THE, UM, UPSTAIRS.
THAT'S, AGAIN, YOU'RE LOOKING OVER AT THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY AND YOU MAY NOT, UM, IT, THE PRIVACY ISSUES MIGHT BE IN QUESTIONED.
UM, I CAN SEE THAT POINT OF VIEW.
UM, I THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL GARAGE, BEAUTIFUL STRUCTURE.
UM, I, AGAIN, I WASN'T SENSITIVE TO THE NEIGHBORS DURING THE DESIGN VIEW.
SO, UM, I I THINK IT'S SOME THINGS TO CONSIDER.
OTHER THOUGHTS? I GUESS THE, THE TREE.
WE ARE LIMITED WHAT WE CAN DO WITHOUT AN ARTIST, SO WE REALLY CAN'T DISCUSS THE TREE UNTIL WE GET, BUT SINCE YOU BROUGHT THAT UP, IT, IF AND WHEN WE GET TO A MOTION THAT MAY BE SOMETHING WE COULD HANDLE WITH THE CONDITION.
UM, YEAH, I GUESS THE, THE QUESTION WOULD BE WHY THE SECOND STORY? CAN I YEAH.
HONESTLY, WE, WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE IT NOT A BOX FOR THE ROOF, AND THE, THE BALCONY DOES NOT LOOK OUT OVER THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY.
IT LOOKS OUT TOWARDS THE MAIN HOUSE.
AND SO WE WERE TRYING TO, UM, YOU CAN LOOK SIDEWAYS.
IT CAN'T BE TWO FEET FROM MY FENCE, MR. CHAIR.
IF, IF WE COULD OH, KEEP OUR COMMENTS DOWN ON THE GALLERY.
UM, THE, THE IDEA WAS THAT IT FACED THE MAIN HOUSE THAT IT, UM, THERE IS
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A, UM, KIND OF A TWO STORY BALCONY ON THAT HOUSE THAT WE WILL BRING BACK AT A LATER POINT, UM, FOR DEVELOPMENT.AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THE IDEA WAS THAT REALLY THAT IT NOT BE A, A BOX WITH A ROOF, LIKE SOME OF THE EXAMPLES THAT WE'VE SHOWN.
UM, JUST TRYING TO BE SENSITIVE TO THAT STREET SCAPE.
UM, I WILL SAY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE POSS WE HAVE THE ROOF PITCH AT EIGHT 12.
I MEAN, THAT COULD GO DOWN TO SIX 12 AND SHAVE OFF A COUPLE OF FEET.
I MEAN, WE BELIEVE THIS STRUCTURE IS ALREADY MUCH LOWER THAN THE MAIN HOUSE STRUCTURE, AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE RELATING TO.
UM, THIS, THAT STREET HAS A MIX OF, UM, TWO STORY AND SMALLER ONE STORY, AND THEN RAISE ONE STORY HOUSES ON IT AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND SMALLER STRUCTURES, YOU KNOW.
AND SO IN THAT WAY, TO ME, THIS IS THAT KIND OF SMALLER STRUCTURE.
IT'S, UM, IT'S NOT A FULL TWO, IT'S NOT A FULL TWO STORY, UM, STRUCTURE.
IT IS A, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF A, A STORY AND A SMALL BIT AND KIND OF WHAT WE WERE GOING FOR.
AFTER DESIGN REVIEW, I WENT OUT AND DROVE BY THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION AND I DROVE ALONG CHANGE STREET, AND I, I WAS NOT ON THE COMMISSION AND THESE GUIDELINES WERE APPROVED, BUT I TAKE STRONG ISSUE.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, WITH THIS BEING IN A SECONDARY OR A TERTIARY AREA, IT IS RIGHT THERE ON CHAIN STREET RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF EVERYTHING.
AND I FURTHER SAY THAT THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR IS A ONE STORY HOUSE.
UH, AND THIS WOULD TOWER OVER THAT ONE STORY HOUSE NEXT DOOR.
IT IS, IT IS BEHIND THIS WITH WHITFORD HOUSE, BUT IT IS MUCH CLOSER TO THE TAYLOR AND PITCOCK HOUSE NEXT DOOR.
AND IT WOULD TOWER OVER THAT HOUSE.
IT WOULD BE THE VERY INTERRUPT, VERY MUCH INTERRUPT THE RHYTHM OF THE STREET AND SHOWED IN 3.1 OF THE GUIDELINES.
UM, FURTHER, I WOULD SAY THAT THIS, UM, SANBORN MAP THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED, THAT, UH, CAN, THE DATE CANNOT BE IDENTIFIED.
UH, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE SANDBORN MAPS AND I INTERPRET THAT BUILDING AS A ONE STORY STRUCTURE.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S EVER BEEN A TWO STORY STRUCTURE ON THIS SITE.
UM, I REALLY THINK THAT, THAT, UH, THIS DOES NEED TO BE A BOX WITH A ROOF AND ONE STORY HIGH.
UH, LOOKING AT THE PICTURE OF ON PAGE TWO SEVEN OF THE GUIDELINES, WHICH ILLUSTRATES A BOX WITH A ROOF, UH, THAT'S WHAT WAS CHOSEN TO ILLUSTRATE THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.
AND, UH, IT'S A TWO CAR GARAGE.
AND I, I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO A ONE STORY, TWO CAR GARAGE ON THIS SITE, BUT I THINK THAT DRAWING AS PRESENTED IS DISRUPTIVE TO THE RHYTHM OF CHANGE STREET AND IS INCONGRUOUS WITH THE ADJOINING STRUCTURE ON CHANGE STREET.
AND SO IN, IN LIGHT OF THOSE COMMENTS, IF WE COULD CIRCULATE THAT SANBORN MAP AGAIN, UH, MM-HMM.
AND SO WHILE THAT'S GOING AROUND, UH, O OTHER THOUGHTS, I SEE YOU PERCOLATING ON SOMETHING.
WELL, ONE OF THE ISSUES, AND I I DON'T HAVE ANY DEFENDANT COMMENTS AT THIS POINT, BUT ONE OF THE CONCERNS IS MASS COUNT APPORTIONED DIMENSION, FORMAL RHYTHM OF THE, UH, PROPOSED STRUCTURE.
UH, RICHARD, THE, UM, THE WARD WHITFORD, UH, DEPENDENCY THAT'S ON CRAVEN SINCE YOU WERE WITH YEAH.
WHERE WAS THAT LOCATED? I KNOW THAT PARCEL WAS MUCH THE MORE WOODFORD PARCEL WAS MUCH BIGGER AT THE TIME.
WE, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE IT WAS.
UM, I PULLED UP WHY WE WERE STRUGGLING WITH TECHNICAL PROBLEMS HERE.
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UP SEVERAL DIFFERENT SANDBORN MAPS.THE ONLY ONE I CAN FIND THAT SHOWS ANYTHING ON THIS CORNER IS THE ONE FROM 1924, AND IT'S THE ONE STORY STRUCTURE.
UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S WHERE, THAT, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.
I CAN'T, I CAN'T SAY WHERE THAT DEPENDENCY WAS, BUT IT WAS ONLY A ONE STORY STRUCTURE.
IT WAS A BOX WITH A ROOF AND, UH, IT, IT WOULD CERTAINLY NOT TOWER OVER THE AJO PROPERTY.
IF WE LOOK AT, UM, IF WE LOOK AT ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, UM, IT SAYS TO REDUCE THE SCALE OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, WHERE ARE YOU LOOKING? THIS, THIS IS 2.6 0.2.
AND I THINK WE HAVE TO CONSIDER NOT ONLY HOW THIS RELATES TO THIS REPORT FOR THE HOUSE, BUT HOW IT RELATES TO THE DATA PIT COTTON PROPERTY, WHICH IS WHITE SCREEN, WHICH IS ONE STORY HOUSE.
UM, THE, UM, MR. CHAIR, ARE YOU ENTERTAINING, SORRY, COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? OR IS THE BOARD DELIVERING? IF YOU WOULD GIVE US A MOMENT.
BUT, BUT I'LL COME BACK TO YOU, I PROMISE.
SO ANY OTHER THOUGHTS BASED ON OUR DISCUSSION SO FAR? WELL, I AM LOOKING CLOSE ONE DASH EIGHT AND THE, THE PICTURE IN THE LOWER LEFT IS NOT UNLIKE THIS TO SHOW SECONDARY TO, TO RICHARD'S 0.1 DASH EIGHT.
ONE DASH EIGHT, THE LOWER LEFT SKETCH, THE SHADED AREA, TWO PRIOR AREAS ON THE LEFT AND RIGHT.
SO I MEAN, IT'S, I DO QUESTION WHY IT'S TWO STORIES, BUT, UM, I'M NOT SURE.
IT'S NOT IN A, WHAT PEOPLE CONSIDERED A SECONDARY ORDER.
AND, AND SO I THINK IT'S WORTH NOTING, LOOKING AT OUR DIAGRAM ON ONE DASH EIGHT, THAT, UM, STARTING ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE DIAGRAM, TORCHES PROJECT INTO THE PRIMARY MM-HMM.
AND, UM, AND AS WE COME AROUND THE CORNER, UH, AT LEAST IN OUR HYPOTHETICAL DIAGRAM, WE'VE, WE'VE GOT A, A ONE STORY ADDITION ON, ON THE BACK OF THE BUILDING ON THE CORNER.
UM, AND, AND OF COURSE AGAIN, IT'S THE FACADE, THE CLOSEST FACADE TO THE STREET THAT ESTABLISHES THE DELINEATION BETWEEN PRIMARY AND SECONDARY IS, IS AT LEAST I READ THIS DIAGRAM.
AND SO, UH, MAYBE THAT'LL HELP US COME TO SOME CONCLUSION ON HOW THAT APPLIES TO THE, UH, REGULAR SHAPED LOT.
I THINK IF YOU, IF YOU TAKE IT LITERALLY WITH ITS PRIMARY, YOU CAN'T GO ANYTHING THERE AT ALL.
WELL, THE GUIDELINES, UM, GUIDELINE, UM, 2.6 0.1 FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, UH, YOU KNOW, LOCATE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES AND SECONDARY TERTIARY ABCS AND BEHIND PRIMARY STRUCTURES WHEN POSSIBLE.
MY POINT IS THAT I, I DO THINK IT IS SECONDARY BECAUSE OF THE ODD SHAPE OF THE CORNER AND, UM, IT'S REPLACING A, AN UNATTRACTIVE STRUCTURE.
UM, BUT I DO QUESTION THE TWO STORES IN TERMS OF SCALE.
AND OUR CHAIRMAN OR VICE CHAIRMAN ALWAYS POINTS OUT, LOOK UP THE STREET AND DOWN THE STREET AND SOME, SOMETIMES ACROSS THE STREET.
AND, AND, UM, THERE'S UPS AND DOWNS, BUT, BUT IT WOULD IMPACT THAT FIRST VIEW ON THE CORNER.
OTHER THOUGHTS? WE, WE READY TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT AGAIN? I'M ALSO CONCERNED WITH THE, UM, OUT OF, UH, THE STAIRWELL OUTSIDE THE GARAGE, IF IT WAS ENCLOSED, THERE'D BE LESS OPPOSING, UH, THE NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR, AT LEAST FOR PRIVACY ISSUES.
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SO I BELIEVE IT IS, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ENCLOSED ENCLO, IT'S ENCLOSED.UH, SARAH, YOU WANT TO COME CLEAN THAT UP AND AS WELL AS FINISH YOUR THOUGHT FOR MOMENT EARLIER.
AND THAT I'M SHOWING THE OUTLINE THE STAIRS SO THAT WE CAN FIGURE OUT HEAD HEIGHTS AND THERE'S A DOOR OUT THERE THAT'S, IT'S JUST, I'M SORRY.
UM, YEAH, THAT'S MY, UH, THE OWNERS WHO ARE HERE TONIGHT.
UM, AND WE VERY MUCH LOVE THIS HOUSE AND PROPERTY.
UM, THEY, THEY HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT FIVE 12 CRAVEN STREET THAT, UM, APPARENTLY WAS ON THIS SITE BEFORE AND WAS MOVED.
UM, I, I'M NOT PRIVY TO THAT INFORMATION, BUT, UM, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, UM, THAT, THAT IS THE OLD KITCHEN OF THE PROPERTY THAT WAS MOVED TO THAT LOCATE, MOVED TO FIVE 12 CRAVEN STREET FROM THIS PROPERTY, UM, SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN MY PRESENTATION AND IS NOT, UM, I KNOW I'M GIVING YOU THAT INFORMATION AND, UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT BEN PARRISH KNOWS ABOUT.
SO IF, IF, IF, LET'S SEE, HOLD, HOLD TIGHT REAL QUICKLY IF WE COULD.
SO TECHNICALLY THE AUDIENCE IS NOT PARTICIPATING AT THIS POINT.
BUT I SEE YOU ASKING THE QUESTION, SO I DON'T BLAME THEM FOR ANSWERING.
UM, DID THAT PROPERTY, UM, WHETHER IT SOUNDS LIKE PART OF IT OR MOST OF IT OR ALL OF IT WAS MOVED, UM, IT IS, UH, ON THE FRONT OF IT, IT IS A STORY AND A HALF.
UM, IT'S NOT PART OF MY PRESENTATION, SO I CAN'T SAY THAT, UH, THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I, THAT I KNEW.
UM, SO I JUST, UH,
'CAUSE WE REALLY DON'T HAVE AN EXPERT YOUR DOCUMENTATION.
SO I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT, BUT, UH, YES.
WELL, SO THIS IS, THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE TEND TO WRESTLE WITH THIS A BIT, UH, JUST THE NATURE OF THE GAME, MASS SCALE PROPORTION, DIMENSION, UM, DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, SO FORTH.
UH, I'M LOOKING PARTICULARLY ON PAGE TWO DASH THREE, THE GUIDELINES FOR DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
UH, THE, THE TRIP, WHAT I CALL THE TRIP RULE.
LOOK TO THE LEFT, LOOK TO THE RIGHT, LOOK ACROSS THE STREET.
MOLLY MENTIONED THAT, UH, 2.1 0.2, UH, PREFERENCE SHOULD BE GIVEN TO CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES WHEN DEFINING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN FOR INFILL CONSTRUCTION.
I WOULD CONSIDER THIS, UM, AN INFILL PROJECT.
AND THEN THE FOOTPRINT SCALE PROPORTION OF INFILL CONSTRUCTION SHALL BE IN KEEPING WITH NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
UH, AS AN EXAMPLE, UH, IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE TO CONSTRUCT A THREE STORY STRUCTURE IN THE AREA THAT'S DOMINATED BY ONE STORY STRUCTURES.
UH, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SAY THAT THIS IS A EXTREMELY SIGNIFICANT, UH, HISTORIC STRUCTURE IN NEWBURN.
SO IT'S, IT'S WORTH PONDERING THIS YEAH.
A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN, UH, SO, SO IT SEEMS TO ME WE'VE GOTTA DO A COUPLE THINGS IN FAIRLY SHORT ORDER UNLESS WE'RE SPENDING THE PIPE, WHICH I HOPE WE'RE NOT.
AND YOU KNOW, ONE DEAL WITH OUR AREA VISUAL CONCERN.
UH, AND THEN TWO, UH, ADDRESS THE SCALE MASS AND PROPORTION QUESTION AND ONE OF THOSE THREE ATTRIBUTES OF YOUR CHOOSING.
UM, AND I THINK, UH, UH, THE COMBINATION OF THOSE TWO THINGS PROBABLY GETS US TO A MOTION ON THE APPLICATION.
SO, UH, I'M TRYING REALLY HARD TO HARNESS IN THAT DIRECTION, BUT I'M, I'M RUNNING OUT OF, UH, PEARLS OF WISDOM TO HELP MOVE THIS ALONG A, A ANY, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? WE, WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT SCALE MASS AND PROPORTION IN TERMS OF BEING INCORRECT, BUT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT MUCH IN
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TERMS OF WHY, IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE.UM, WELL, I, I THINK, UM, I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT SOME NOTES HERE THAT I, I, I HEARD MULTIPLE COMMENTS FROM, UH, FROM, UH, MS. THOMAS, FROM BEN, FROM
UH, WELL, 3.1 IS WHERE I, THE DESIGN ELEMENT, IT WAS WHERE I, OR DESIGN PRINCIPLES WAS WHERE I STARTED.
AND IT TALKS ABOUT RHYTHM AND FORM, AND IT TALKS ABOUT THE YESES AND NO'S.
IF WE, WE GO TO THAT, THOSE, UM, ILLUSTRATION, UM, AND WHETHER WE CALL IT A PRIMARY OR A SECONDARY ADC ON CHAIN STREET, WE'RE STILL, IT, IT IT, TO YOUR POINT, TIM, IT IS AN INFILL AND NEXT DOOR IT IS A ONE STORY.
AND AROUND THAT AREA, THERE ISN'T A PRECEDENT FOR ONE AND A HALF STORIES OR TWO STORIES.
UM, THERE MIGHT BE UP AND DOWN THE STREET, BUT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS ILLUSTRATION, IF WE CAN MOVE TO THAT 0.1, UM, I DON'T HAVE THE PAGE NUMBER, UH, THIS ONE HERE.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE COLUMN OF YESES, THESE ARE ALL VERY, UH, UNIFORM IN SIZE AND SCOPE AND HEIGHT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE NO COLUMN, YOU SEE THE VERY TOP ILLUSTRATION.
YOU HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, A NO OBVIOUSLY ABOVE THE OTHERS.
AND THEN YOU HAVE A HOUSE THAT'S MUCH WIDER THAN THE NARROW HOUSES.
SO IT, OR YOU SKIP SOME EVENNESS IN RHYTHM.
SO I THINK THAT THE MASS SCALE PROPORTION OF RHYTHM ARE REALLY IMPORTANT ON CHANGE STREET, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE TYPE OF LOT WE'RE DEALING WITH WHERE WE HAVE EITHER TWO PRIMARY OR TWO VERY VISIBLE SECONDARY
AND I PERSONALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, IF WE'RE NOT READY TO MAKE A MOTION TONIGHT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A DESIGN MAYBE COME BACK.
WE COULD CONTINUE AND, UM, IN A POSSIBLE SECOND DE THE SECOND DESIGN THAT WOULD ADDRESS THE DESIGN PRINCIPLES.
SO, SARAH, IF, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S EVEN, YEAH, IF I COULD HAVE THE APPLICANT ANSWER AT LEAST THEIR OPINION ON THE, THE HOUSE, UM, JUST NEXT TO THE ONE STORY HOUSE IS A TWO STORY HOUSE, I THINK THAT, UM, THE OWNERS WOULD LIKE TO WITHDRAW AND BRING IT BACK SO THAT WE CAN REPRESENT THE MASS AND SCALE SURE.
A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN WE HAVE.
UM, SO, UH, WITHDRAWAL OR CONTINUE, CONTINUE, CONTINUE.
WE THINK THAT IT'S AN APPROPRIATE DESIGN, BUT I, I FEEL LIKE PEOPLE ARE NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT.
AND SO I THINK THAT IF YOU, SARAH, REMEMBER TOO THAT IT IS THE INFILL ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, NOT A PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
SO IT, IT ACCESSORY HAS GOTTA BE SECONDARY TO THE PRIMARIES THAT ARE ON CHANGE.
SO THIS STRUCTURE, WE FEEL IS SECONDARY TO THE PRIMARY, BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, NEEDS TO FIT WITHIN THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING FIT WITHIN THAT STREET SCAPE.
AND THAT STREET SCAPE IS, YOU KNOW, PRIMARY STRUCTURES ON LYDEN.
THERE ARE, THERE ARE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES THAT FACE THE STREET THAT ARE THE SAME PROPORTIONS AS THIS ONE.
AND SO I THINK THAT IF WE GIVE YOU SOME MORE OF THAT INFORMATION IN A MORE DIRECT WAY, I THINK IT'S A GOOD WAY THAT YOU MAY SEE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
AND WE'LL DO SOME RESEARCH ON THAT OTHER, UH, PROPERTY ON CRAVEN STREET, WHICH WAS ON HERE, WHICH SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN OUR APPLICATION.
AND THEN WE SHOULD HAVE THE LETTER FROM THE ARBORIST.
SO MR. UH, VICE CHAIR, I THINK THE REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANT IS FOR YOU ALL TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS APPLICATION TO THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO SUPPLEMENT THEIR APPLICATION WITH SOME ADDITIONAL MATERIALS.
AND WE'LL ALSO NEED THE DATE AND TIME AND PLACE OF THAT MEETING AS WELL JANUARY 17TH.
AND SO I APOLOGIZE, RICHARD, I GOT IN FRONT OF YOU.
YOU WERE GETTING READY TO SAY SOMETHING.
DO YOU WANT TO HOLD YOUR POWDER OR, I HAVE THIS TO READ.
GUIDELINE 2.3, THE FOOTPRINT, SCALE AND PROPORTION OF INGI CONSTRUCTION SHALL BE IN KEEPING WITH NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES NEIGHBORING.
AND SO, UH, WITH THAT, UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M MOVE VERY CONTINUE THIS APPLICATION UNTIL THE NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING, WHICH IS JANUARY 17TH,
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5:30 PM IN THE THIS ROOM.IN ORDER TO GIVE THE APPLICANT TIME TO REVIEW YOUR APPLICATION, PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND PERSPECTIVE, WE HAVE HAVE A MOTION.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND TO JANUARY 17TH? YES.
YEAH, THERE'S NO DECEMBER MEETING.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
UH, MATT, MY SCREEN'S NOT WORKING.
SO MATT, AFTER YOU, THAT'S ALL, TAKE OFF YOUR IT HAT.
MATT, WE'LL BE READY TO MOVE TO THREE EIGHT JOHNSON STREET WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU ARE SO INCLINED.
[3.F. 308 JOHNSON ST. – to include the partial removal of an accessory structure, the reuse of the remains, and build a new accessory structure in the Tertiary AVC.]
SO THIS IS THE APPLICATION FRONT PAGE.UH, ALL THE APPROPRIATE INFORMATION IS INDICATED THERE, AND IT'S SIGNED AND DATED BY THE AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE WHO IS HEREBY AUTHORIZED WITH THIS FORM OR THEREBY OR THEREWITH.
FOURTH, UH, BEGINNING OF THE, UM, DRAWING SET INCLUDES, UM, AN ELEVATION OF THE FRONT OF THE, OR A PHOTO OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
FOR CONTEXT, PROJECT IS NOT INVOLVED IN THE HOUSE ITSELF.
AND THESE ARE, OH, IT DOES ACTUALLY ON THE BACK, SORRY.
SO THAT'S THE FRONT, AGAIN, THIS IS THE BACK, THE PHOTO OF THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, THE REAR OF THE HOUSE.
AND THIS IS A CLOSEUP OF THAT RIGHT HAND CORNER OF THE HOUSE WHERE MOST OF THE WORK WILL BE DONE, UH, ON THE HOUSE.
UH, BUT MOST OF THE PROJECT IS WITH REGARD TO THIS, UH, GARAGE HERE.
UH, AND I SHOULD, I CAN EXPLAIN HERE THAT THE GARAGE, UH, THE ROOF WILL BE REMOVED, UH, AND, UH, MOST OF THE RIGHT SIDE WALL WILL BE REMOVED, BUT NOT ALL OF IT.
AND THEN THE OTHER TWO WALLS WILL REMAIN PRETTY MUCH INTACT, MAYBE SHORTER.
UM, THEN THESE ARE VIEWS, UH, TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE GARAGE, AND ANOTHER VIEW OF THE FRONT OF THE GARAGE AND AN OBLIQUE VIEW OF THE GARAGE IN CASE WE NEED TO REFERENCE THOSE.
AND THERE WERE SOME SAMPLE PROJECTS IN THE, FROM THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UH, THIS IS TRYING TO BE THE SITE PLAN.
THIS IS THE EXISTING SURVEY OF THE SITE.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE HERE, THE MAIN STREET IS ON THE LEFT, AND THE GARAGE IS IN THE UPPER RIGHT HERE.
YOU CAN SEE IT IS SHOWN OR DEPICTED AS BASICALLY THREE WALLS IN A U-SHAPE.
AND THEN THAT FRONT WALL WAS WHERE THE GARAGE DOORS WERE.
AND THIS IS, UH, THE ARCHITECTS RENDITION OF THE SAME SITE PLAN, BUT AS A DEMOLITION PLAN SHOWING AT THE TOP RIGHT HERE, THE GARAGE REMOVING THE GARAGE DOORS, AND MOST OF THAT, UH, WHAT I DESCRIBED AS THE RIGHT SIDE WALL, I BELIEVE THAT'S NOW THE SOUTH WALL, UH, AND THE ROOF.
AND THEN ON THE HOUSE, THEY'LL BE REMOVING, UH, THE, THAT DOORWAY WE SAW IN THE PHOTOGRAPH ON THE RIGHT OF THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AND THE STAIRWAY, UH, TO THAT DOOR.
UM, THERE'LL ALSO BE, UH, REMOVING TWO WINDOWS AND ENLARGING THAT OPENING.
AND THEN THIS IS THE PROPOSED PLAN, A LITTLE SMALLER.
UH, SO ONCE THOSE WALLS AND SUCH ARE REMOVED, OR I'M SORRY, THE ROOF AND THE ONE PORTION OF THE WALL AND THE FRONT, UM, GARAGE DOORS ARE REMOVED FROM THE EXISTING GARAGE, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO BUILD A NEW GARAGE, UH, OR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, ACTUALLY, UH, INSIDE THE, INSIDE
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THE REMAINS OF THE OLD GARAGE.AND, UH, LEAVING, UH, THREE TO FIVE FEET OF SPACE, UH, BETWEEN THE TWO AND USING THAT SPACE FOR STORAGE AND COVERING IT WITH A, A SHED ROOF.
UH, MEANWHILE, OVER ON THE MAIN HOUSE, UH, UH, AFTER THAT DOOR AND THE STEPS HAVE BEEN REMOVED AND THE WINDOW OPENING ENLARGED FOR DOORS, UH, THE DOOR THAT WAS REMOVED WILL BE FILLED, AND THE ENLARGED OPENING WILL BE USED FOR, UH, SOME FRENCH DOORS.
AND THEN THEY'LL BUILD A NEW DECK HERE ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
AND, UH, JUST TO BE SURE, UM, THE, THE NEW ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS EIGHT FEET AWAY FROM MORE THAN EIGHT FEET AWAY FROM THE, UH, FROM THE DECK, FROM THE PROPOSED DECK.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A QUESTION.
AT THE BEGINNING, YOU SHOWED THE HOUSE AND YOU SAID THE HOUSE WAS NOT INVOLVED IN THIS APPLICATION.
YEAH, IT WAS, UH, EXCEPT FOR THE BACK.
UH, SO NOW THIS, THESE ARE ELEVATIONS OF THE, UH, THE NEW, UM, ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
SO HERE WE HAVE, UH, ESSENTIALLY, UH, THE FRONT, UH, THAT FACES DOWN THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY, UH, WITH THE ENTRANCE DOOR AND A PEDIMENT DRIVEWAY.
UH, AND, UM, IN THE BACKGROUND, YOU CAN SEE OFF TO THE LEFT IS, SAY THE EXISTING, UH, CONCRETE WALL ON THE LEFT AND THE SHED ROOF AND A DOORWAY, UH, TO ACCESS THE STORAGE AREA BACK THERE.
UH, MEANWHILE WE HAVE TWO WINDOWS ALSO ON THIS FRONT, UH, ELEVATION.
UH, WE HAVE A, A SHED, A METAL SHED ROOFING, UH, AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS, OF THE LARGER, UH, GABLE AND A DIAMOND, UH, VENT IN THE TIP OF THE, IN THE TOP OF THE GABLE.
THEN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, UH, THERE'S A DOUBLE DOOR ENTRYWAY, UH, AGAIN, WITH A, UM, GABLE PORTICO OVER THE, OVER THAT ENTRYWAY.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THE FRONT ENTRYWAY PORTICO, UH, IN DARK SHADING ON THE LEFT HERE.
AND THEN IF WE GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS ELEVATION, WE ALSO SEE THIS SIDE, UH, ENTRANCE PORT GO HERE.
UH, SO BACK TO THE SIDE ELEVATION ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
SHADED IN THE BACKGROUND IS THE, UH, REMAINS OF THE FORMER GARAGE, UH, COVERED.
AND, UM, A DOORWAY ADDED FOR THE STORAGE AREA ON THAT END.
UH, SO, UH, UH, THE EXIST OR THE NEW ROOFING IS TO BE A HAND SEEN METAL ROOFING.
UM, ALL OF THE SIDING AND THE, UM, THE SHINGLE WORK IS ALL HARDY BOARD.
THE FOUNDATION IS BRICK MASONRY.
UM, THE WINDOWS ARE VINYL WINDOWS.
UH, THE DOORS ARE VINYL DOOR, VINYL SLIDING DOORS.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FRONT DOOR IS IN THIS VIEW HERE.
SO THEN THE OTHER VIEWS, UH, ARE DOMINATED BY THE, UH, PREVIOUSLY OR THE EXISTING CONCRETE WALLS.
UM, SO THIS IS THE BACKSIDE, UM, OPPOSITE THE SIDE WITH THE DRIVEWAY.
AND THEN THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS THE, UM, SIDE FACING THE SIDE, UM, PROPERTY LINE.
SO, UM, AGAIN, THE PHOTOS OF THE BACK, THE REAR OF THE HOUSE, AND THE, UM, IN, UH, OVERALL VIEW.
AND THEN A CLOSEUP VIEW OF THE AREA UNDER, UH, IN THE PROJECT, THE STORE ON THE RIGHT IS TO BE REMOVED.
THE ROOF, THE PENT ROOF HERE IS TO BE REMOVED.
UH, AND THEN, UH, THE TRIM REMOVED, AND ALL OF THIS FILLED IN WITH, UM, WOOD SIDING.
THE STAIRS AND RAILING ARE TO BE REMOVED.
UH, THE DOUBLE WINDOW ON THE LEFT ARE THE WINDOWS TO BE REMOVED, AND THEN THAT WINDOW OPENING WILL BE ENLARGED, UH, TO ALLOW FOR, UH, FRENCH DOOR THERE.
SO HERE'S THE ELEVATION OF THAT.
YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE FRENCH DOOR ON THE LEFT, THE DECKING, THE RAILING, THE THREE SET, UH, SET OF THREE EXISTING WINDOWS.
AND THEN IMMEDIATELY TO THE RIGHT OF THAT IS NOW BLANK.
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IN WITH SIDING.UH, AND THEN THE SIDE VIEW OF THAT IS A DECK, UM, TYPICAL, UH, DECK WITH RAILING AND STEPS.
AND HERE'S DETAIL OF THE HAND RAILING TO SHOW THAT IT CONFORMS WITH THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR HAVING THE SPINDLES OR BALLISTERS BE CENTERED UNDER THE HANDRAIL.
SO, SO OUR ZONING AND INSPECTIONS REPORT, UM, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR INDICATES IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF LAND USE ORDINANCE, AND IT'S AUTHORIZED AS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ONLY, UH, ZONING PERMIT WILL BE REQUIRED.
AND THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR INDICATES THE PROJECT WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.
AND WE'RE READY FOR OUR STAFF REPORT.
SARAH, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD AT THIS TIME? UM, JUST ONE THING ON THE FRONT OF THE, THAT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, THE DIAMOND IS A WINDOW.
I, IT'S PROBABLY NOT CALLED OUT CORRECTLY, BUT YEAH.
AND THE, THE, THE SHINGLES WILL BE THE FISHTAIL SHINGLES THAT MATCH THE HOUSE.
UM, THAT'S ACTUALLY SHA OH YEAH, I SEE THAT.
SO JUST THIS DIAGONAL'S PATTERN.
DID YOU SAY A ZONING PERMIT WOULD BE REQUIRED OR A BUILDING? YEAH.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? UM, THERE'S A ZONING PERMIT FOR EVERY PROJECT.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, UH, FOR OR AGAINST THE APPLICATION? SEEING NONE, UH, MATT.
LET'S HOPE IT DON'T HAVE TO ZOOM IN AROUND.
SO THIS IS THE, UH, FINDINGS AND EVALUATION FOR MIKE AND MJ WIKA, UH, AND GO ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, UH, 3 0 8 FOR 3 0 8 JOHNSON STREET.
UH, THE HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME IS THE CHARLES IVES CHARLES L IVES HOUSE, UH, BUILT CIRCA 1895.
THE DATE OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS SHOWN IN THE COUNTY.
ASSESSOR'S INFORMATION IS 1920, BUT THAT IS NOT ENTIRELY RELIABLE FOR ACCURACY.
SO THE NON-CONTRIBUTING, UH, STATUS FOR THE NON-CONTRIBUTING, SORRY FOR THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, IS NON-CONTRIBUTING.
UH, THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY DESCRIPTION FROM 2003, THERE IS NO REFERENCE TO THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, BUT FOR CONTEXT, THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IS DESCRIBED AS QUEEN ANN STYLE TWO AND A HALF STORIES T PLAN TWO BAYS WIDE PATTERN SHINGLES BETWEEN FIRST SECOND LEVELS, MULTI LIGHT ARCHED WINDOW AT STAIR LANDING, PET 'EM INTO GABLES DORMERS, INTERIOR CHIMNEY.
THE SAND BACK DESCRIPTION FOR 1988.
THERE'S NO REFERENCE TO THE CARPORT STRUC, OOPS, SORRY.
UH, THERE IS AN EXTENSIVE INFORMATION ABOUT THE OWNERS AND THE HOUSE, INCLUDING THESE POTENTIALLY RELEVANT DESCRIPTIONS.
THE EXTERIOR FINISH OF THE IVES HOUSE IS HIGHLIGHTED BY A BROADBAND OF PATTERN SHINGLES AND A DENTAL COURSE WHICH RUN AROUND THE HOUSE BETWEEN THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR LEVELS.
SIMILAR PATTERN SHINGLES APPEAR WITHIN THE THREE MENTED GABLES PRESENTING THE CONTRAST OF SIDING MATERIAL.
SO CHARACTERISTIC OF THE QUEEN ANN STYLE.
THE PRESENT FRONT PORCH IS LATER PERIOD COLONIAL REVIVAL, RE REWORKING OF THE ORIGINAL PORCH.
SO THIS PROJECT FOR 3 0 8 JOHNSON STREET IS TO INCLUDE THE PARTIAL REMOVAL OF AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, THE REUSE OF THE REMAINS, AND BUILD A NEW ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN THE TERTIARY.
A, B, C STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOW THE FOLLOWING, HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN STANDARDS, GUIDELINES THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION.
UTILITIES 2.3, 0.1, TWO, THREE, AND SIX ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, 2.6 0.1 AND TWO.
DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.2 AND FOUR FOR MODIFICATIONS.
3.2 0.1, AND TWO FOR FOUNDATIONS.
4.3 FOR WALLS CARRYING AND ORNAMENTATION, 4.214 AND FIVE FOR WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS.
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FOR ENTRANCES.4.54 FOR DECKS AND PATIOS, 4.6 0.2 AND THREE FOR MASONRY.
5.3, 5.5 FOR WOOD, 5.2 0.1, AND TWO FOR PAINT.
5.4, 0.2, THREE AND FOUR FOR CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS.
STATEMENTS OF FACT BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION ARE ONE, THE PROPOSED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
TWO, THE PROJECT IS IN NEW, IS NEW CONSTRUCTION OF AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN THE SECONDARY OR TERTIARY, A, B, C.
THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES.
THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
AND FIVE, THE APPLICATION IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
UH, THE APPLICATION DOES NOT INCLUDE SOME INFORMATION RELATED TO COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT.
THAT REQUIRES REVIEW BY EITHER STAFF OR THE HPC.
IF THE APPLICATION IS APPROVED, THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS SHOULD BE MADE FOR THE COA PLANS AND INFORMATION FOR THE UTILITIES.
AND THE EXTERIOR LIGHTING SHALL BE APPROVED AND THE COA ISSUED BY HPC STAFF BEFORE THE FINAL INSPECTION FOR THESE TRADES WILL BE CONDUCTED BY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR STAFF REPORT.
SARAH, ANY FINAL THOUGHTS BEFORE WE LAUNCH INTO THE DISCUSSION? NO, THANK, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
WHERE WOULD WE LIKE TO START? I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THIS IS ABOUT AS CONGRESS AS IT GETS.
I THINK THIS IS, THIS IS AS CONGRESS AS IT GETS.
DO HAVE ONE QUESTION MAYBE FOR MATT? WE'VE HAD THREE VERY SIMILAR, WHY IS THE ONE REFERENCE TO A ZONING PERMIT? IS IT BECAUSE IT'S A DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATION OR SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHERS? UM, NO.
UM, THEY WILL ALL ACTUALLY NEED A ZONING PERMIT.
UH, WE HAVE A RELATIVELY NEW PERSON THAT IS DOING THESE, UM, ZONING AND INSPECTIONS, AND THAT WAS, UH, PROBABLY ONE OF THE LAST ONES THAT HE DID.
UH, SO BY THAT TIME HE HAD REALIZED THAT HE COULD SAY THAT.
SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING UNIQUE OR A SURPRISE THAT SHOULDN'T BE, BUT IT MIGHT BE
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I MEAN, IT, IT, IT'S SECONDARY OF THE HOUSE.
UM, IT'S REPLACING A STRUCTURE THAT'S THERE.
AND I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATELY, AS COMMISSIONER PARSONS SAID, IT'S CONGRESS, UM, CORRECT MATERIALS, UM, SCALE AND PROPORTION.
AND, UH, DO YOU NO REAL ISSUES.
WELL, WE READY FOR A MOTION? ANYONE, JIM? ANYONE? OKAY.
WE FIND THE APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS FOR 3 0 8 JOHNSON STREET DOES NOT IN NCE WITH NEW NEWBORN'S.
CODE ORDINANCE SECTIONS FIFTEEN FOUR ELEVEN THROUGH FIFTEEN FOUR HUNDRED TWENTY NINE AND NEW NEWBORNS AND STORAGE HISTORY STANDARDS BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES, UTILITIES 2.3, TWO, THREE, AND SIX ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, 2.6 0.1 AND TWO DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.12 AND FOUR MODIFICATIONS, 3.1 AND TWO FOUNDATIONS, 4.3 WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION, 4.214 AND FIVE, WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS, 4.32 AND THREE ENTRANCES, 4.4 0.4, ROOF, 4.5 0.4, DEX AND PATIOS, 4.6 0.2 AND THREE MASONRY FIVE, THREE AND FIVE.
WOOD FIVE AND TWO, PAINT 5.4, 0.23 AND FOUR.
AND CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS, 5.5 0.23 AND FIVE.
STATEMENTS OF FACT THE PROPOSED ACCESSORY STRUCTURES IN THE TIGHTLY DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
THE PROJECT IS NEW CONSTRUCTION OF AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN THE SECONDARY OR TERTIARY AC.
THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN STANDARDS.
THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
THE APPLICATION IS NOT IN CONGRESS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
I DO PROPOSE A CONDITION THAT PLANS AND INFORMATION FOR THE UTILITIES AND EXTERIOR LIGHTING SHALL BE APPROVED AND ACOO ISSUED BY THIS HBC STAFF BEFORE THE FINAL INSPECTION FOR THESE TRADES WILL BE CONDUCTED BY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR.
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OKAY, WE SECOND MOTION? A SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, ISSUE ACOA SO MOVED.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? AND THEN LASTLY, CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE WRITTEN DECISION? SO MOVED.
UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
THAT GETS US TO THE END OF THE HEARINGS.
SO AS I READ OUR AGENDA, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING UNDER OLD BUSINESSES.
CAN WE GET THAT TREE SURVEY LAID BACK? YEAH, I THINK MATT.
DO YOU WANT THOSE TWO? UH, SURE.
THANK YOU FOR APPROVING TWO OF THE THREE.
JUST, JUST AS A QUICK POINT, THE FIRST ONE ON, UM, EAST FRONT STREET IS ALMOST IDENTICAL IN HEIGHT AND FOOTPRINT TO THE ONE ON GOTCHA.
YEAH, WE, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT LATER.
SO SANBORN, SO I DON'T SEE ANY AGENDA ITEMS UNDER OLD BUSINESS.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT COMMISSIONER CARES COULD BRING UP IN THAT REGARD? VERY GOOD.
UM, WE HAVE A DWINDLING PUBLIC.
ARE THERE ANY GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS TONIGHT? I'M HEARING NONE.
UH, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS, DO WE, MA'AM? AND SO, UH, THAT TAKES US TO
[7. HPC ADMINISTRATOR’S REPORT A. REPORT ON MAJOR COAS ISSUED - 10/05/2023 to 11/02/2023 100 Craven St. – window and door replacements, utility screening, flood barrier, sitework 221 Middle St. – façade renovation and sign 407 Metcalf St. – replacement fencing 837 S. Front St (Trent Court) – demolition of 13 buildings B. REPORT ON MINOR COAS ISSUED - 10/05/2023 to 11/02/2023 229 New St. ROW – tree replacement 307 Avenue A – shed 400 New St. – tree replacement 406 Craven St. – outdoor display cases 611 Craven St. – fencing replacement 1119 N. Craven St. – tree replacement C. REPORT ON COA EXTENSIONS ISSUED: none D. OTHER ITEMS AND UPDATES BY THE ADMINISTRATOR]
OUR REPORTS.UM, ANYTHING WORTH BRINGING TO OUR ATTENTION ON, UH, MAJOR COAS ISSUED OR MINOR COAS ISSUED MET? NO.
UM, WE'VE GOT, UH, NO EXTENSIONS, UH, COA EXTENSIONS, UH, EXTENSION REQUESTS ON THE, UH, DOCKET.
[8. COMMISSION COMMENTS]
THAT KIND OF BRINGS US TO COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS IF WE HAVE ANY, AND DOESN'T SOUND LIKE WE HAVE ANY.SO, UH, WELL, I DO HAVE, UH, UNDER D THE UPDATES BY THE ADMINISTRATOR.
I JUST TO REMIND YOU THAT WE DO HAVE THAT, UH, WORKSHOP COMING UP DECEMBER 7TH FOR, UH, RESILIENCY IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, UH, HERE IN NEW BERN.
UH, AND SO IF YOU HAVEN'T YET, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED AND HAVEN'T YET, UH, REGISTERED, YOU MIGHT DO SO SOON.
UM, IT'S, UH, MOST OF IT'S A, MOST OF THE DAY WORKSHOP, I THINK FROM LIKE NINE TO FOUR, I THINK.
AND I THINK YOU SENT SOME EMAIL OUT IN THAT REGARD.
I APOLOGIZE FOR OVERLOOKING THAT.
UH, MOTION TO UR, WE'VE GOT A MOTION.
YOU'VE GOT SOME SECONDS DOWN HERE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
SO WHO WAS THE MOTION? UH, GREGORY SECOND WAS, WAS THIS UNDER THE BENCH?