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I, UH, CALL ORDER THE DECEMBER MEETING OF THE CITY OF NEW PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.
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GOT A COUPLE ITEMS I WANNA GO THROUGH BEFORE WE GET TO THE ROLL CALL.UM, JUST SO EVERYONE'S AWARE, THIS IS OUR LAST MEETING IN THIS ROOM.
UH, NEXT YEAR WE'RE GOING TO SEE Y'ALL.
UM, I'M THINK AROUND, UM, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO PLAYING THAT SCHOOL AND IT'S ON, UM, THE THIRD THURSDAY.
UM, THERE'S PROBABLY GONNA BE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS AND MAKE THAT ANNOUNCEMENT.
UM, I ALSO WANT TO SAY THAT, UH, I WAS, UH, ASKED AS THE CHAIR OF THIS BOARD, UM, SIT IN ON SOME DISCUSSIONS ON THE, UH, LAND USE ORDINANCE.
HOPEFULLY THAT'LL BE ANNOUNCED VERY SOON.
I WAS GLAD TO SEE THAT THIS FOR WAS ADDED TO PARTICIPATE.
AND, UM, I THINK THAT'S REALLY COOL.
UH, BE MORE ON THE PLANNING SIDE THAN JUST THE ZONING SIDE.
AND THEN LASTLY, UM, I JUST ON BEHALF OF MYSELF AND BOARD, I WANNA EXPRESS MY CONDOLENCES TO KYLE.
HE HAD A, UH, DEATH IN THE FAMILY AND, UH, WE, UH, SORRY TO SEE OUT HERE AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING HIM ON IN JANUARY.
SO THAT, MR. KENDRICK, CAN I GET A ROLL CALL? YES, SIR.
AND MR. KYLE DEERING IS EXCUSED.
AND MR. MARSHALL? VALERIE? YEAH.
[4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
ITEM NUMBER FOUR.THE APPROVAL OF ADMIT THEY WERE PRINTED OUT HERE ON OUR TABLES.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON NOTES.
THIS, THESE HAVE THE CORRECTIONS FROM LAST TIME, CORRECT? CORRECT.
WHATEVER WE CHANGED LAST TIME WAS A COUPLE NAMES HAD LAST TIME.
[5.A. 125 Hillmont Road Rezoning (MAPA-002808-2023)]
FIVE A 1 25 MONT ROAD REZONING.THANK YOU FOR ATTENDING THIS PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEETING.
I'LL START BY GOING IN AND PRESENTING OUR, UH, CASE HERE AT, THIS IS FOR 1.5 PHILMONT ROAD.
SO THE APPLICANT AND THE OWNER IS MR. ARD THOMPSON.
AND THE LOCATION ONCE AGAIN IS 1 25 DELMONT ROAD.
THE EXISTING ZONING DISTRICT DISTRICT THAT'S ASSIGNED TO CURRENTLY IS RESIDENT, EXCUSE ME, RESIDENTIAL 20.
THE PROPOSED ZONING IS COMMERCIAL THREE FOR C DASH THREE AND THE SIZE OF THE CURRENT PARCEL THAT'S PROPOSAL IS 0 1 4 5 2 PLUS MINUS.
AND THIS IS JUST A DESCRIPTION OF THE RESIDENTIAL 20 ZONING DISTRICT.
UM, BASICALLY IT JUST KIND OF EXPLAINS WHERE SOME OF THE DIFFERENCES AND WHAT THE REPRESENTATION IS FOR THE R 20 ZONING DISTRICT.
UM, JUST TO BRIEFLY GIVE YOU THE FIRST ONE HERE, SUB CURRENT CONSTRUCTION OF, AND SAME USE OF THE LAND, LOW DENSITY, SINGLE FAMILY MULTIFAMILY DWELLING.
UH, YOU KIND OF DRAW UPON THAT THE SAME OR SIMILAR DIFFERENCES BASED ON WHAT, UH, RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT'S, UH, ENVIRONMENT.
AND FOR THE COMMERCIAL THREE, THE C3 ZONING DISTRICT, UH, ANALYSIS, IT PRETTY MUCH IS THE SAME DIFFERENCE BUT IN A COMMERCIAL SETTING.
SO YOU'RE GONNA GET, UM, JUST IN THIS FIRST SENTENCE HERE, THE C3 COMMERCIAL DISTRICT ESTABLISHED DISTRICT FOR OFFICES, PERSONAL SERVICES, AND THE RETAILING OF DURABLE AND CONVENIENCE SKILLS.
SO IT'S MORE OR LESS, UH, RETAIL ORIENTED, UM, AS IT KIND OF HITS THAT BEING COMMERCIAL AND THE USES COMPARISON.
ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS KIND OF WHAT I'M GOING THROUGH, UM, JUST BY GIVING YOU SOME OF THE BRIEF DEFINITION FOR EACH, UH, DIFFERENT DISTRICT.
BUT THERE'S A COMPARISON OF THE USES, HOW COMMERCIAL THREE WOULD KIND OF, UM, STACK UP TOWARDS WHAT RESIDENTIAL 20 IS OR R DASH 20.
AND SOME OF THOSE USES HERE ARE DISPLAYED, UH, JUST FOR EXAMPLE, PURPOSES.
AGAIN, UM, THAT SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED WITH THE PARENTHESES AND HAS A D INSIDE OF IT.
IT MEANS IT'S PERMITTED FOR, EXCUSE ME, PERMITTED BY.
UM, AND ALSO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE C3, UH, IF YOU COMPARE THAT TO THE SAME DIFFERENCE OF A SINGLE FAMILY DETACH, IT ALSO PERMITS IT BY, RIGHT.
UM, NOW TO KIND OF STEP ASIDE, THERE'S A, A DIFFERENCE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE NON-RESIDENTIAL USES HERE.
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SO THIS TAKE FOR INSTANCE, THIS FIRST ONE UNDERNEATH, UH, RESIDENTIAL 20 GOVERNMENT OFFICE BUILDINGS AND SUPPORTING SERVICES CONTAINED WITHIN A FULLY ENCLOSED BUILDING THAT S IS A, IT REPRESENTS IT'S A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, OR IT'S GONNA TAKE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, WHICH IS CONTROLLED BY A SEPARATE BOARD.NOW, WHEN YOU STEP ASIDE TO, UH, COMPARING THAT IN A COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH IS LIKE THIS FIRST USE FOR INSTANCE, SALES AND RENTAL GOODS, MERCHANDISE AND EQUIPMENT, HIGH VOLUME TRAFFIC GENERATION AND CBOT STANDARD IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT, UM, ONCE AGAIN FITTING THE BILL FOR RETAIL SERVICES.
SO EASIER TO ACCOMMODATE WITHOUT A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, RESIDENTIAL VERSUS MARKET.
SO THE CONSIDERATION, UM, FOR THE PROPOSED REZONING, THIS INVOLVES ONE PROPERTY THAT IS CURRENTLY ZONED R DASH 20 AND PRIMARILY ALLOWS FOR RESIDENTIAL USES.
UH, IT'S CURRENTLY BEING UTILIZED AS A STORAGE LOT THAT'S JUST BASED ON THE CURRENT PICTURES FOR THE PROPERTY AND THE CURRENT, UH, SITUATION.
BUT ADJACENT PROPERTIES ARE ZONED PRIMARILY R DASH A, UH, WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL AID OR AGRICULTURE FIVE, UH, A DASH FIVE, WHICH ARE RESIDENTIAL AND AGRICULTURAL IN NATURE.
UM, IN THE VICINITY OF THE SITE, THERE ARE TWO PROPERTIES THAT ARE ZONED C3 AND C FOUR OR COMMERCIAL THREE AND COMMERCIAL FOUR.
UH, HOWEVER, BOTH PROPERTIES, UM, THEY HAVE FRONTAGE ALONG NORTH CAROLINA 55 FROM NC 55.
UM, SHOULD BE NOTED AGAIN, AND YOU PROBABLY HEARD THIS IN PREVIOUS MEETING THAT WE HAD THIS ITEM, UM, THIS IS, OR EXCUSE ME, UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY HAS FRONTAGE ALONG, UH, MONT ROAD.
AND THE SUBDIVISION WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED IN 1963 TO BE A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION.
PICTURES FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ARE JUST DISPLAYED HERE TO SHOWCASING, AND HERE IS A VICINITY MAP FOR THE ACTUAL SUBJECT PROPERTY.
SO THAT PORTION, OR EXCUSE ME, THOSE LINES THAT YOU SEE ARE INDICATING WHERE THE PROPERTY IS, UM, HIGHLIGHTED THERE IN THE, AND THIS IS FOLLOWED THROUGH BY AN ARIEL.
IT'S NOT CURRENT FOR TO TODAY'S DATE.
BUT HERE IS THE ZONING MAP, WHICH REFLECTS, UH, THE RA ZONING DISTRICT ASSIGNMENT FOR, EXCUSE ME, THE R DASH 20 ZONING DISTRICT ASSIGNMENT CURRENTLY, UM, AS IT SAYS FOR THE PROPERTY AND, UM, THE ACTIONS NEEDED HERE.
NOW, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST FOR THE ADOPTION OF THE CONSISTENCY STATEMENT AND RECOMMENDATION, UH, THAT YOU INTEND THE BOARD INTENDS TO, UM, FOR THE BOARD, ALL THE OKAY.
DOES, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL TAKE THOSE TO THE BOARD.
ALRIGHT, WELL, BEFORE WE GET TO QUESTIONS, LET'S GET, UM, WITH THE APPLICANT SEAT ON THIS MATTER WITHOUT OBJECTION FROM THE BORDER COURT.
UH, LAST TIME WHEN I BROUGHT EVERYBODY TOGETHER, UH, I DID UH, TRY TO GET THE WHOLE AREA.
UH, NOW I'M JUST LOOKING TO TRY TO UH, JUST DO LIKE A SPOT ZONE I NEEDED FOR, UH, MY FURTHER UH, LIFE.
UM, I BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO.
I CLEARED IT, I CLEANED IT, I FACED IT.
I'VE DONE ALL OF IT MYSELF AND UH, I JUST NEED THE PURPOSE THAT I NEED OUTTA MY PROPERTY.
UM, ARE THERE, ONCE AGAIN WITHOUT OBJECTION, THERE IS ONE PERSON HERE TO SPEAK, BUT ANYBODY IN THE ROOM CAN SPEAK AND IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS, REMEMBER TO DIRECT 'EM TO THE BOARD AND WE ASK THE LIMIT TO LET SAY THREE MINUTES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK
UH, I WAS HERE THAT THE LAST MEETING.
UM, THE ISSUE THAT I HAVE WITH, UH, REJOINING THIS AREA IS ONE, IT'S A ONE WAY IN OR ONE WAY HOUR.
UM, RIGHT NOW WE ALREADY HAVE UM, TWO ILLEGAL BUSINESSES IN THAT AREA.
NOW THAT SHOULDN'T BE OPERATED, BUT THERE ARE, WE HAVE KIDS PLAYING IN THE AREA, UM, THAT POSSIBLY CAN GET HIT.
UM, WITH SOME OF THE BUSINESSES THAT'S ALREADY THERE, THEY PARK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.
UM, YOU CANNOT GET TO YOUR HOME HALF THE TIME
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'CAUSE THE CARS ON SIDE OF THE ROAD.UM, THE TRASH COMPANY, WHEN THEY COME TO PICK UP OUR TRASH COULD NOT GET DOWN THE ROAD.
THEY HAVE TO PULL ALL THE WAY DOWN AND BACK ALL THE WAY BACK OUT.
SO IT, WHEREAS KIDS GET IN AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT AN AREA FOR A BUSINESS AT ALL.
IF IT WAS MORE THAN ONE WAY IN, ONE WAY OUT, I MIGHT CONSIDER THAT.
BUT THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO GET INTO THIS PROPERTY.
UM, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE KIDS ASPECT.
THERE'S A SIGN UP THERE SAYING, WHEN YOU COME IN, BE CAREFUL BECAUSE OF KIDS ARE PLAYING AND WHERE HE FINN TO PUT HIS BUSINESS AT, IT'S RIGHT THERE THAT PERIOD WHEN THEY COME AROUND THERE.
UM, AS I SAID NOW I SAY AT 2 25, I GOT A PAINT SHOP BESIDE ME THAT PAINT CARS DON'T THEY WANT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT EVEN SUPPOSED TO BE THERE, YOU KNOW.
UM, NOW HE GOT TIRES ACROSS THE STREET 'CAUSE HE WANTS TO START A TOW SHOP.
BUT WE ALLOWED HIM TO DO IT AND WE ON THE SAME ROAD.
THAT MEANS THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO EVENTUALLY ALLOW HIM TO DO IT.
AND I DON'T WANT THAT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
I DIDN'T BUY THIS PROPERTY FOR THAT.
IS THERE, UH, ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON LUNCH? I'M CARL CRUZ.
I LIVE AT 2 21 MONT PAINT SHOP THAT HE CARL'S TALKING ABOUT IS DIRECTLY ON SIDE OF ME.
HE'S GOT FOUR CARS OUT THERE TODAY, ALL PRIMED, TAPED UP, READY TO BE PAINTED.
THE SAME GUY WANTS STOLE FROM THE TIRE SHOP.
HE HAS NO PERMIT TO HAVE A PAINT, PAINT BOOTH OR ANYTHING ELSE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND ALL SUMMER LONG HE SMELLED PAINT.
I GOT A RHEUMATOID LUNG, I AIN'T GONNA SMELL PAINT.
AND I SURE AS HELL AIN'T GONNA LISTEN TO A TIRE SHOT ACROSS THE STREET.
HE'S GOT 2,410 TIRES PILED UP IN HIS YARD.
BUT TOTALLY IGNORE ALL DUE RESPECT.
CAN WE KEEP IT TO THIS MATTER? YEAH.
AND, AND AND THIS AND, AND, AND THIS, THIS SHOULD SHOOT MY BUSINESS ON THAT STREET.
I MEAN, CARS COMING DOWN, PEOPLE LEAVE THEIR TRASH CANS RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF THE GRASS.
YOU'VE GOTTA STOP GOING ALL RUN ALL THE TRASH CANS.
SO YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE THIS
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? AFTER MY WHAT? THE ONE LAST COMMENT? I'VE RAISED THREE GENERATIONS ON THE STREET.
I HAVE MY KIDS, MY GRANDKIDS, PLUS MYSELF.
NO PERSON THAT'S EVER BEEN HIT ON THIS STREET SINCE THEY EXISTENCE.
I'VE BEEN LIVING, I'M ONE OF THE MOST SENIOR PEOPLE LIVING ON
UH, LIKE I SAID, THERE HAS NEVER BEEN ANY KID EVEN HURT ON MY STREET FROM CARS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO, AND ALL OF THESE PEOPLE LIVE AT THE BACK OF MONT ROAD.
I LIVE AT THE FRONT OF MONT ROAD.
I HAVE 200 FEET FROM THE FRONT TO THE BACK OF MY PROPERTY.
THAT'S MORE THAN ENOUGH FOR ME TO PUT 120 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING ON THERE WITH SOME PARKING.
AND THE PEOPLE COULD TURN INTO MY YARD AND THEY COULD GET THEIR SERVICE AND THEN THEY COULD TURN AND GO RIGHT BACK OUT MORE THAN ENOUGH ROOM.
ALRIGHT, THAT I WILL TURN IT OVER TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION.
THINK WE ALREADY DEEMED THAT SPOT.
ZONING IS NOT SOMETHING WE NORMALLY DO THAT FAIR AGAINST OUR NOT NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE S PLAN, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH.
I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF DOING IDEA.
SO IS THAT STATE LAW SPOT ZONING IS A STATE LAW.
WE NOT, WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO ALLOW SPOT ZONING.
THERE'S CASE LAW THAT YES RECOMMENDS AGAINST SPOT ZONING.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? GENERALLY ANY REZONING TAKES ONE PARCEL AND COMPARES IT TO OTHERS TO DETERMINE WHETHER IT'S CONSISTENT AND CONSISTENT WITH NEGATIVE USES.
ILLEGAL SPOT ZONING IS WHEN A PARCEL, GENERALLY A SMALL PARCEL THAT'S NOT CONNECTED, ADJOINING OR BUDDING.
ANY OTHER SIMILAR LAND USES OR ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS? THAT
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MORE DISCUSSION I'LL ENTERTAIN OF? UH, CONSISTENCY OR CONSISTENCY OR INCONSISTENCY? WELL, I'M, I'M GONNA MOVE THAT WE RECOMMENDED IT, THE BOARD THAT UM, THIS IS JUST THE CONSISTENCY, JUST THE CONSISTENCY SIDE, BUT RIGHT.THEN WE'LL DO A SECOND ONE ON THE BOARD RECOMMENDATION.
SO WE HAVE TO UM, MO MOVE THAT AS REJECTED BECAUSE IT'S INCONSISTENT.
I HAVE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT A STATEMENT OF INCONSISTENCY.
UM, DO WE NEED A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE BOARD? A RECOMMENDATION OR A LACK OF A, OKAY.
SO I, WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO RECOMMEND OR A LACK OF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE BOARD OF ALL YOU MAKING A MOTION? I, UH, ASKING COURT.
SO I MAKE A, A MOTION THAT WE, UH, PROVIDE A LACK OF RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF ALL FOR THIS APPLICATION.
SHALL I HAVE A SECOND? OKAY, I'LL SECOND THAT.
UM, REAL QUICK, WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT.
I WISH YOU GOOD LUCK IF YOU WANT TO MOVE THIS TO THE BOARD OF ALL, UM, BUT WE'LL UNFORTUNATELY NOT HAVE A RECOMMENDATION.
UM, BUT YOU ARE FREE TO DO SO.
[5.B. Craeberne Forest Phases 3 & 4 (SUBMAJ-002818-2023)]
FIVE B, YOU WANTED TO REMAIN FOR THE SECOND ITEM, BUT THAT WAS WHAT YOU WERE HERE FOR AND YOU WANTED TO LEAVE YOU.ALRIGHT, OUR NEXT ITEM HERE IS GOING BE THE SUBDIVISION FOR GENERAL PLAN FOR KRAMER FOREST PHASE THREE AND FOUR.
THE APPLICANT, UH, IS PRD, LAND AND INVESTMENT LP.
THE COLOR IS IN COLOR FARM AND THE LOCATION IS ALONG LONG SAFELY.
UH, DRIVE EXTENSION, WHICH IS, OH, SEVO, EXCUSE ME, I APOLOGIZE.
SEVO DRIVE EXTENSION ADJACENT TO EXISTING FOUR STATEMENTS, ONE AND THREE.
UH, THE EXISTING ZONING CURRENTLY, UH, SHOWS THREE DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS THAT APPLY TO RESIDENTIAL 10.
UH, ON CAR DASH 10 THAT WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL 10, A R 10 A AND RESIDENTIAL SIX R THE SIZE, UH, PLUS OR MINUS THERE IS FOR 2 67 POINT 10 ACRES.
AND OVERVIEW, UH, BASIS THREE AND FOUR, UH, WILL SUBDIVIDE 15 EXISTING PARCELS INTO 613 PARCELS.
THERE'S A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT HAS NOT BEEN AT EXPENSIVE IN THE CITY,
THIS STRETCHES, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, UH, ALONG THE NORTHWESTERN, LIKE THE THE TOP NORTHWESTERN SIDE.
UH, THIS IS STILL WITHIN THE COUNTY'S JURISDICTION OR BOUNDARY.
AND THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES ARE CURRENTLY, ONCE AGAIN, ZONE R SIX, R DASH 10, AND R DASH 10 A.
THERE ARE, OR EXCUSE ME, THESE ARE ESTABLISHED AS RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS FOR THE CITY OF NEWLAND LANDING ORDINANCE.
AND THE PURPOSE OF THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, UH, IS TO PROVIDE COMFORTABLE, HEALTHY, SAFE, AND PLEASANT ENVIRONMENTS IN WHICH TO LIVE SELF SHELTERED FROM INCOMPATIBLE AND DISRUPTIVE ACTIVITIES THAT PROPERLY BELONG IN NON DISTRICT.
IT IS A DESCENDING MAP FOR THE DIFFERENT PARCELS THAT ARE INVOLVED.
AS STATED BEFORE, A COMBINATION OF 15 PARCELS, WHICH WILL SPREAD 13 PARCELS FOLLOWED BY AN AERIAL MAP.
UM, ONCE AGAIN, IT JUST HIGHLIGHTED TO SHOWCASE WHAT THE PARCELS ARE INCLUDED.
AND LASTLY, THE ZONING MAP THAT DICTATES ALL OF THE DIFFERENCES
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IN DISTRICTS THAT ARE APPLIED HERE.MOST SURVIVE OR MOST RECENT SITE PLAN RECEIVED, UH, RELEVANCE TO THE ACTUAL PROJECT.
SO I'LL LEAVE THAT FOR DISPLAY.
BUT THE STAFF EVALUATION, UM, HERE, CURRENTLY PROPOSED SUBDIVISION MEETS ALL REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH IN THE CITY'S, UH, EXCUSE ORDINANCE.
ALL COMMENTS FROM THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.
DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UM, WELL, BEFORE WE, UM, HAVE UP THE QUESTIONS, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, OPEN UP TO ANY, TO THE APPLICANT OR HIS REPRESENTATIVES TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS.
HAS ANYBODY PURCHASED THAT LAND YET? THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M CURIOUS TO, UH, ONE SECOND.
I'M WITH PARAMOUNT ENGINEERING AND WE ARE DOING THE DESIGN WORK FOR
SO WE PUT THE PLANS TOGETHER, UH, FOR YOU THIS EVENING.
AND I ANSWER A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
I'M SURE YOU PROBABLY HAVE, CAN YOU SPEAK LOUD? EXCUSE ME.
MY VOICE IS NOT VERY LOUD TODAY.
SO WE HAVE MEMBERS OF OUR DEVELOPMENT TEAM HERE THIS EVENING.
WE'VE GOT OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER, OUR CIVIL ENGINEER, AND ALSO THE DEVELOPER REPRESENTATIVE.
SHOULD YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ANY ONE OF US, YOU HAVE TO ANSWER THIS.
WE'LL BRING YOU BACK UP AS NEEDED.
UM, ANYONE ELSE REPRESENTING THE A ALRIGHT, WITHOUT OBJECTION.
I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC OR ANY COMMENTS FROM THAT? YES.
CAN YOU BRING UP THE, UM, THE MAP THAT SHOWED PARCELS? YES.
I SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS ON THE LAST ONE.
UM, YOUR, YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
I OWN THIS HOUSE THAT'S RIGHT HERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS PROPERTY.
I HAVE ALREADY BOUGHT AND PURCHASED ALL OF THIS OVER TWO YEARS AGO.
IT GOES ALL THE WAY TO HERE AND ALL OF THIS.
SO I BOUGHT IT AS QUALITY FOREST.
AND I'M WONDERING WHY NOW IT'S BEING REZONED TO RESIDENTIAL.
I'M WAITING ON MCCULLOUGH TO SETTLE WITH THE STATE AND WITH THIS GROUP TO FURNISH ME MY TITLE.
BUT IT'S BEEN PAID FOR, FOR TWO YEARS.
ALL OF THIS IS ABOUT A HUNDRED ACRES.
SO MORE THAN LIKELY WHEN YOU PURCHASED THAT PROPERTY, UM, ONE OF TWO THINGS WASN'T DONE.
EITHER DEEDS WEREN'T RECORDED OR THE MAP WASN'T RECORDED.
UH, IF SO, THAT NEEDS TO BE ACCOMPLISHED AND YOU WOULD WANT TO TAKE THAT UP WITH WHOM YOU PURCHASED IT FROM.
IT'S THE GUY SELLING IT TO THEM.
AND THE REASON WHY IT'S SHOWING UP LIKE THIS IS BECAUSE THOSE TWO, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THOSE, OR BOTH OF THOSE THINGS WERE NOT COMPLETED.
HE DIDN'T DO THE PAPERWORK YET.
SO I'VE KNOWN HIM FOR A LONG TIME.
SO, UM, HE'S JUST STILL UNDER A LOAN.
THAT'S WHY DO IF, UH, IF THIS GOES TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN, IF IT PASSES OR, OR GETS DENIED.
IF IT GETS DENIED, OBVIOUSLY NOTHING'S GOING TO CHANGE.
IF IT GETS PASSED AT THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN, THE ZONING DISTRICT WOULD CHANGE.
IF THIS WASN'T SPLIT YET, UH, IF HE ACCOMPLISHES THAT SPLIT PRIOR TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN'S DECISION, THEN IT WOULDN'T CHANGE YOUR PORTION OF THAT PROPERTY.
UH, IN EITHER CASE, YOU'RE NOT FORCED TO BUILD ANYTHING, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
THE ONLY THING IT'S GOING TO DO IS DESIGNATED AT, UM, SO TAX, I'M NOT A TAX EXPERT.
I DON'T WORK FOR THE TAX DEPARTMENT, UH, FOR CRAVEN COUNTY.
BUT IN MOST CASES, UH, IF IT IS NOT BEING USED, THEY'LL TAX IT AT THE MOST, UH, AT THE HIGHEST BEST USE.
SO IF IT'S RESIDENTIAL, THEY'LL LIKELY TAX IT AS RESIDENTIAL.
IF IT'S COMMERCIAL, THEY'LL TAX IT AS SUCH.
SO WHAT IS QUALITY FOREST? IS THAT, THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS ON THE MAP NOW GIS SO DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, IF, IF THAT'S A WETLANDS LAYER OR, OR WHATEVER HAVE YOU, IT'S JUST, JUST DESIGNATING WHAT'S THERE.
IS THERE EXISTING ZONING FOR THAT SPACE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? SO WHAT, WHAT IS IT? I'M NOT FULLY AWARE THAT, I MEAN IT MAY OR MAY NOT.
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SIR, CAN YOU INDICATE WHERE YOUR, I MEAN THEY GOT, THEY GOT MY CONTRACT BECAUSE THEY HAVE THIS LINE HERE, BUT IT IS ALL OF THIS, THIS I ALREADY OWN.SO THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED RR 10 AND WHATEVER THE ORANGE IS, THAT MIGHT BE R SIX.
HEY WES, PART OF THAT, HEY WESS, SHE HAS SOME, SHE HAS SOME ANSWERS FOR YOU.
WOULD IT BE OKAY IF I STAND UP AND SPEAK ABOUT THIS? I CAN'T ADDRESS SOME OF THESE CONCERNS.
I SURELY, UM, SO IS THERE A WAY WE CAN BRING IT BACK TO, UH, THE, THAT SHOWS THE, I SAW YOU HAD THE, YES.
SO IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, SIR, YOU ARE MS. S HERE.
SO YES, WE HAD QUESTION ABOUT THIS.
WE WERE LOOKING INTO THE BOUNDARY RESEARCH AND NOTICE THAT THE NEEDS HAD NOT BEEN RECORDED.
UM, WE DID APPROACH THE LAND OWNER THROUGH OUR CLIENT.
AND HE SAID THAT WHEN WE DO DO THIS DIVISION, YOU GONNA BE OUTSIDE OF ANYTHING THAT WE'RE ABOUT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, NOT PART OF THE RIGHT.
THAT IS, SO MOST OF THE BORDER HERE IS WHAT? Y'ALL HAVE A LAKE PLAN AND I GUESS ANOTHER LAKE PLAN.
YEAH, WE'VE GOT WETLANDS HERE AND THEN WE'VE GOT TWO PONDS, UH, AGAINST THAT ORDER, SIR.
AND DO YOU HAVE ANY CLAIMS OF THIS THAT HE, THAT'S A FIFTIES FOOT VEGETATIVE BUMPER, SO IT'LL BE ADDITIONAL VEGETATION BEYOND WHAT'S THERE NOW.
UM, SO HOPEFULLY THAT'S A GOOD SCREEN FOR YOU AND, UM, IF THERE'S MORE THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT FOR CERTAIN AND OH, I'M SORRY.
UH, YOU ASKED ABOUT THE ZONING.
WE ARE AREN'T ASKING FOR A REZONING.
IT'S ALREADY ZONED THE, THE USE OF, UH, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
THAT'S 'CAUSE IT SAYS QUALITY FOR OAKLAND WOODLAND, RIGHT? ON EVERYTHING.
I THINK, I THINK THAT'S NOT THE ZONING.
I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A CLASSIFICATION OF THE LAND ITSELF, BUT I, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR THE, IT MIGHT JUST BE IN COURT HOW THE TAX OFFICE LOOKS AT IT.
BUT I, I CAN'T, THAT'S WHAT IF THEY DID.
SO, SO THIS IS ALREADY IN PLACE.
THAT SHOULD BE OUR TEST AND I JUST WASN'T CERTAIN.
THAT'S ALREADY, I BELIEVE THE, HAS MOST OF THAT AT A VERY LOW PRICE.
IS NOT GONNA INDICATE CATION DIFFERENT IN OUR PACKET.
WE DO HAVE A DOCUMENT THOUGH THAT INDICATES THE ADJACENT ZONING.
SO YOU'LL PERMIT ME AND GLANCE IT THAT.
SO WHAT WE'VE GOT, I BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE RIGHT HERE AND THESE ARE OUR 10 PARCELS ALREADY.
SO FOR, FOR ALL OF THOSE THAT AREN'T LOOKING AT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL OF THIS RIGHT HERE.
WE, WE ARE CONSIDERING THE SUBDIVISION ASPECT OF THIS NAZI, THE ZONING ASPECT OF THIS, WHICH WOULD NOT BE COMING INTO THAT AREA.
SO I WHAT IS THE DOTTED LINE FOR THEN? THAT'S MY LINE.
THE LAND HAS NOT BEEN SUBDIVIDED YET.
SO THE PARCEL THAT THIS LAND IS ON, IT'S ACTUALLY TWO PARCELS, UH, WILL BE SUBDIVIDED OUT OF A MUCH LARGER TRACT OR TRACKS OF LAND.
AND SO AT THE RESULTING ACREAGE WILL PARTIALLY GOES TO THIS GENTLEMAN IT SOUNDS LIKE.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE LANDOWNER WILL RETAIN THE REST.
SO THE TOTAL, WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR PERMISSION WILL NOT INCLUDE THIS SIDE OF THE DOTTED NINE.
AND THAT'S IN THE DESCRIPTION OF THE 200 AND YES MA'AM.
OR ACRES IS APPROXIMATELY 98, I THINK ALL TOGETHER.
I, I HAVEN'T DONE A TOTAL ON THAT SHOULD BE SO CLEARLY ON THE GIS IT SAYS USE VALUE, THE LAND USE, IT SAYS USE OF VALUE USE AS QUALIFIED FORCE.
THAT'S THAT'S WHAT HE'S, BUT IF YOU WANT TO GOOGLE UH, NEW BARN ZONING MAP, THEY'LL TAKE YOU RIGHT TO IT.
THERE'S AN INTERACTIVE MAP, WHAT THE GS IS.
SO, UH, CITY WEBSITE, UH, INTERACTIVE ZONING MAP.
YOU WANNA LOOK AT ANYTHING THAT ALL IS THAT
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OKAY.THE ANNEX THAT YOU ARE SPEAKING, WILL IT AFFECT THE COMMUNITY NEXT TO
UH, WE, WE WENT THROUGH THE LAST ANNEXATION ON THE PIECE THAT YOU SEE IN YELLOW IN OCTOBER.
UH, BUT UH, WE WILL NOT, UH, BE TIED INTO THEIR HOA OR ANY OF THAT.
IT WILL BE JUST AN ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
UM, IS THERE, UM, I'VE GOT, UM, MICHAEL RAIN, GO AHEAD.
I RECEIVED EMAIL MR. MICHAEL RAINS CITIZEN, BUT JUST TO KIND OF PUT HIS OPINION IN HERE.
HE HEAR MICHAEL? YEAH, I APOLOGIZE.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I TOLD HIM I WOULD TRY TO TAKE CARE OF
I LIVE AT SOME MATT MOORES LANE.
UM, THESE TWO TRACKS RIGHT HERE IS THAT, UM, THAT CONNECT TO THIS PROPERTY AND, UM, THE CONCEPT PLAN, IS IT SUBMITTED BEFORE YOU? I THINK IT WAS GREAT.
I THINK YOU SAID IZATION RANGE.
WE'VE GOT MORE PEOPLE TRYING TO MOVE HERE THAN WE HAVE HOUSES FOR.
SO COMMUNITIES LIKE THIS ARE, ARE, ARE NEEDED THROUGHOUT THE NEW NEWBORN AREA.
UM, THE REASON I'D LIKE TO COME BESIDES TO, UM, OFFER MY SUPPORT IS THAT ON THE MAP, I'M LOOKING AT IT HERE, BUT IT'S NOT THE MAP UP HERE, THE ONE THAT HAS THE SITE PLAN, WHICH MAP DID YOU HAVE? YEAH, THE PROPERTY, UM, IS, IS RIGHT HERE.
AND I REACHED OUT TO THE DEVELOPER AND JUST ASKED IF THERE WAS ANY WAY TO HAVE A CONNECTION POINT.
'CAUSE OTHER MAP SHOWS, I DON'T KNOW IF IT SHOWS THE WHOLE PARCEL, BUT IT'S OVER A MILE FROM THE BACKS OF MY PARCEL HERE.
IT'S TO THE FRONT IS ON THE ROAD.
UM, AND THE CONNECTION POINT UP HERE WOULD BE, I DON'T THINK WOULD BE THAT NEGATIVE OF A IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE IF YOU GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN REAL QUICK, IT SHOWS COMMON AREA.
UM, AND SO A CONNECTION POINT THERE TO THE BACK OF MY PROPERTY WOULD, I THINK IT WOULD HELP.
I'D HAVE NO IMMEDIATE PLANS FOR ANY TIME IN NEAR FUTURE FOR DEVELOPING MY PROPERTY, BUT JUST FOR COMMUNITY CONNECTIVITY, I THINK THEY, I COULD HAVE A FUTURE ACCESS POINT.
LIKE I SAID, I'VE ALREADY REACHED OUT TO THE DEVELOPERS AND UM, AND RESPONDED QUICKLY.
SO I'M PLEASED WITH THAT AS WELL.
BUT IN GENERAL, I JUST THINK IT'S A, IT'S GREAT USE OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, WE'VE GOT A HOUSING SHORTAGE, SO WE NEED MORE OF THIS.
UM, NO ONE ELSE HAS ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY UP TO THE BOARD THAT KIND OF CHANGES MIND.
I HAD THE LAKES AND, AND STUFF BUFFERING ME FROM THAT OLD NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THEN WITH HAVING A ROAD AND AN ENTRANCE RIGHT BEHIND MY HOUSE, THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING.
AND I GOT ROADS AND ENTRANCES ON BOTH SIDES, WHICH IS ALL FOREST.
WELL, I, I I APPRECIATE THAT, SIR.
UM, WE'RE NOW INTO DELIBERATIONS MOVING FORWARD, SO I, I, I APPRECIATE YOU'RE ALL RIGHT.
I APPRECIATE THE, YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS AND, AND FOR YOU COMING OUT.
DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I I HAVE A HANDFUL OF QUESTIONS.
SO, UM, THERE WAS STAFF REVIEW INDICATED THAT THE DRC COMMENTS HAD ALL BEEN RESOLVED.
SO I'M GOING TO GO DOWN A FEW THAT I'D LIKE SOME UPDATES ON.
UM, SO UNDER THE MPO COMMENTS, TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY, HAS THAT BEEN COMPLETED? I BELIEVE THAT'S STILL A WORK IN PROGRESS.
UM, HOWEVER, THE MBO, THERE'S NOT AN ACTUAL WAY TO ENFORCE THAT REQUIREMENT PER SE.
AND SO THAT, THAT'LL GET ME DOWN TO MY, MY NEXT SET OF QUESTIONS.
SO UNDER FIRE MARSHAL, UM, THEY'VE ASKED, REQUESTED A SECONDARY, UM, FIRE DEPARTMENT ACCESS ROAD REMOTE FROM SAVOY DRIVE AND TRENT ROAD, UM, OR TRENT CREEK, EXCUSE ME.
I I PRESUME THE INTENT OF THE DEVELOPER THERE IS THE PROPOSED 43 CONNECTION AS THAT SECONDARY FIRE DEPARTMENT ACCESS.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO HAS A, UH, DOT DRIVEWAY ACCESS PERMIT BEEN, UH, UM, SUBMITTED? I PRESUME IT HAS NOT, SINCE 43 DOESN'T EXIST YET.
THAT RECOMMENDATION FOR A SECONDARY
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ACCESS IS JUST THAT IT'S A, IT'S A RECOMMENDATION.THE CITY OF NEW BERN HASN'T ADOPTED THE APPENDIX THAT REQUIRES A SECOND ACCESS.
SO WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO REQUIRE THAT ACCESS.
UM, SO THEN, UM, CONTINUING WITH QUESTIONS FOR, UH, FROM FIRE MARSHAL COMMENTS, DO WE HAVE SINCE, UH, DO WE HAVE END OF LINE, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT, OR EXCUSE ME, FIRE HYDRANT FLOW, UM, DATA, UH, AT THE END OF, UM, OF OUR ROADS WHERE OUR CONNECTIONS WILL MAKE FOR THE NEW DEVELOPMENT OR PROPOSED NEW DEVELOPMENT? UH, TO SAY IT DEFINITIVELY, I DID NOT RECEIVE ANY SECONDARY COMMENTS FROM MR. JEREMY.
AS THE GENTLEMAN I WAS DEALING WITH.
FIRE MARSHAL THE INITIAL, EXCUSE ME, FIRE MARSHAL FOR THE INITIAL MEETING.
I KNOW THERE WAS DISCUSSION AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD, HIS CONCERNS WERE ADDRESSED DURING THAT ADMISSION MEETING.
UM, I GAVE A OPPORTUNITY AND A PERIOD OF TIME TO RECEIVE ADDITIONAL COMMENT.
UM, AND THEN UNDER PUBLIC WORKS POSTMASTER APPROVAL WITH THE KIOSKS, UM, THE MAIL KIOSKS, THERE ARE 10 LOCATIONS AS I SEE IT ON THE, UH, UH, PROPOSED PLANS AS HAVE WE, WE SAY OUR COMMENTS RESOLVED FOR THAT.
HAVE WE RECEIVED THAT LETTER WITH THAT APPROVED? NO, I DID NOT RECEIVE THE APPROVAL FOR PERTAIN TO KIOSK, UH, PUBLIC WORKS AS I UNDERSTAND IT, DIDN'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENT, UH OKAY.
AND THEN OUR 9 1 1 ADDRESSES, UH, THEY DON'T APPEAR TO BE SHOWN ON THE PLANS.
I SEE LOT NUMBERS ON PLANS, BUT I, I DOUBT THAT THAT IS, UH, OUR 9 1 1 ADDRESSES ADDRESSING THE, AS THE FINAL PLA STAGE.
SO HAS THAT BEEN, UH, REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY, UH, 9 1 1? MR. COMPTON WAS INVOLVED IN THAT INITIAL REVIEW.
AS I UNDERSTAND IT, YOU REVIEW THE PLAN, NOT GIVE ANY COMMENTS, PERTAIN ADDRESS.
SO NOW WE'RE GONNA GET TO A FEW OF MY QUESTIONS.
UM, SO IT APPEARS IF, UH, IF YOU GO TO, UH, LET'S LOOK AT SHEET, UH, C DASH 22, 2 0.2, UH, I WOULD HAVE TO ACTUALLY, I DON'T HAVE THAT.
SO THAT IS THE, THAT'S THE AREA OF THE MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING.
AND THERE'S A NOTE INDICATING THAT, UM, THAT IS, UM, TO A DESIGN SHOWN FOR REFERENCE ONLY AND THE POTENTIAL DESIGN FOR 348 UNITS.
THE MULTIFAMILY SECTION OF THE PROJECT, UH, DESIGN MAY VARY FROM THIS, UH, UH, WHAT IS SHOWN MOVING FORWARD.
SO MY QUESTION IS, UM, IF THIS IS INCLUDED AS A PART OF THE PHASES THAT ARE BEFORE US FOR APPROVAL OF THE GENERAL PLAN, UM, IF THIS IS GONNA CHANGE, ARE WE BEING ASKED AS THE BOARD TO, UH, HAVE FOR GENERAL APPROVAL OF WHAT IS SHOWN HERE AS PRELIMINARY? YOU'RE CONSIDERING THE SINGLE LOT FOR THE APARTMENTS, BUT THE APARTMENTS THEMSELVES ARE FOR REFERENCE ONLY.
WE'RE NOT HERE TO CONSIDER THE USE ITSELF AS APARTMENTS.
SO WHAT ABOUT THE ROADS? THE ROADS THEMSELVES ARE PART OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE IN OUR LAND USE ORDINANCE.
BUT THE APARTMENTS THEMSELVES ARE NOT.
SO, SO PULL APARTMENTS ASIDE THE ROADS AND THESE INCLUDE ON STREET PARKING OR IN PARKING LOTS.
SO THERE'S NO PARKING COUNT, UH, HERE.
AND SO IF THE ROADS ARE INCLUDED AS A PART OF THE SUBDIVISION PLAN, UH, WOULD THINK WE'D NEED A PARKING CALCULATION PER THE ORDINANCE TO, UM, TO DETERMINE WE'VE GOT THE RIGHT NUMBER OF SPACES.
UM, AND IF WE DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR UNITS ARE, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T DO THAT CALCULATION PER THE ORDINANCE, I DON'T THINK THAT WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH AN SUT AND WILL BE CONSIDERED AT THAT TIME.
SO ROAD STANDARDS AND PARKING STANDARDS ARE SEPARATE ISSUES AND IF WE DON'T CONSIDER A USE, WE CAN'T CONSIDER PARKING.
SO THEN MY QUESTION IS MAYBE THIS OUGHT BE, UH, CONSIDERED, UH, AS A SEPARATE PHASE, UM, COMING BEFORE THIS BOARD.
I MEAN, WE CAN'T REALLY, UH, RENDER GENERAL PLAN APPROVAL FOR, UH, SOMETHING THAT IS NOT, UM, REFINED.
IT, IT PHYSICALLY CAN'T BE CONSIDERED AS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE RECONSIDERED AS SOON AS A CHANGE WAS HAPPENED.
SAME THING WITH THE SUBDIVISION.
IF THEY CHANGED THE ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE SIGNIFICANTLY ENOUGH, THEY'LL HAVE TO COME BACK FOR A REVISED GENERAL PLAN.
UM, SO, UM, THERE, THERE, I DON'T SEE ANY DIMENSIONS ON OUR ROADS.
I SEE OUR, OUR, UH, TYPICAL PAVEMENT CROSS SECTIONS, UH, A LOT OF THOSE HAVE MINIMUMS. UM, AS OPPOSED TO, UM, UH, INDICATING WHAT THOSE DIMENSIONS ARE, CUL-DE-SAC UH, DIMENSIONS ARE NOT INDICATED.
UM, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED AS PART OF THE DRC THAT JUST WASN'T IN OUR PACKAGE? UH, I WOULD PROBABLY,
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I'D HAVE TO SAY THAT I, I'M, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE SUBMITTED A SEPARATE PLAN.MAYBE COULD I, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER YEAH, PLEASE.
IT'S PROBABLY BETTER TO LOOK YOU UP,
SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UH, WE DO HAVE THIS DESIGNED TO ALL OF THE, THE CURRENT REQUESTED COLLECTOR, SUB COLLECTOR ROAD, MINOR ROAD, UH, WIDTHS.
AND THE, UH, STANDARD CROSS SECTIONS ON THERE ARE REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT IS ON THE PLAN SHOULD WE NEED TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
UM, THE, UH, BUT THE ROAD WIDTHS ARE, ARE CODE COMPLIANT.
UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY CUL-DE-SACS, SO THAT'S WHY WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, ANY CUL-DE-SACS PROPOSED THERE.
YEAH, I MISSED, I GUESS THAT'S NOT A CUL-DE-SAC THERE.
UM, ALRIGHT, SO, UH, I I GUESS HAS ALL OF THAT INFORMATION BEEN PROVIDED AS A PART OF THE DRC REVIEW? SO PUBLIC WORKS HAS SEEN THAT.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT IN OUR PACKAGE.
THEY'VE SEEN IT AND SIGNED OFF ON IT.
TYPICALLY FULLY ENGINEERED CLAIMS GO TO THOSE WHO WOULD NEED THEM, SUCH AS FIRE AND, UH, IN THIS CASE PUBLIC UTILITY, UH, OR PUBLIC WORKS, UH, TO DETERMINE ANY FLOW ISSUES OR TRANSPORTATION ISSUES OR INQUIRES CASE FIRE AND SAFETY ISSUES.
SO I WOULD REQUEST IN THE FUTURE, AND I THINK WE'VE RECEIVED IT IN THE PAST, IS USUALLY, UH, WE'VE GOT THE DRC COMMENTS.
USUALLY WHAT'S INCLUDED IS OUR, IN OUR PACKAGE ARE THE RESPONSES FROM THE, UH, FROM THE DESIGNER, FROM THE APPLICANT.
UM, THAT I THINK THAT'D BE HELPFUL.
PROBABLY WOULD'VE ANSWERED A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS.
UM, AND SO THAT I WOULD REQUEST THAT IN THE FUTURE.
UM, AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE BE USEFUL TO THE BOARD.
DO HAVE A COPY OF OUR RESPONSE LETTER IF THAT'S HELPFUL.
I I SEE IF KENDRICK CAN SEND IT TO ME.
I CAN TAKE CARE OF THAT FOR YOU.
I'LL MAKE SURE I GET SENT OUT TO EVERYBODY.
AND ALSO I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT THIS IS OUR FIRST, UH, GENERAL PLAN FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.
OF COURSE THERE'S A TON OF WORK THAT WE'RE GOING BE DOING ENGINEERING, SO ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE BEING WORKED OUT, I ASSURE, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
HAVE YOU HAVE A COPY OF THAT? SURE.
GET YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS PERHAPS.
THAT, THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTIONS.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS ON THE BOARD? YOU ESSENTIALLY, YOU'RE JUST VOTING FOR THE
SO YOU DON'T HAVE ANY BOARD OF RECOMMENDATIONS? NO, NO MA'AM.
WE EVALUATED THIS REQUIREMENTS ORDINANCE.
WE NEED TO ADOPT A CONSISTENCY STATEMENT AS FAR AS THE, UM, ES SECONDARY, THERE ARE SEVERAL MOVING PARTS TO THE SECONDARY ACCESS, INCLUDING FIRE CODE, INCLUDING IT WITH FIRE CODE, INCLUDING THAT STANDARD WITHIN THE BASE OF FIRE CODE AND NO LONGER IN AN APPENDIX.
SO IF WE'RE ADOPTING THE FIRE CODE, WE NO LONGER ALSO HAVE TO ADOPT THE APPENDIX THAT CONTROLS SECOND EXCESS BECAUSE IT'S IN THE BODY.
AND I SO YOU WOULD HAVE MORE TEETH? I I COULD ADD SOMETHING TO THAT IF IT HELPS.
UM, WE ARE WORKING ON A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ALIGNMENTS FOR THAT SECONDARY AXIS.
IT'S WHY IT'S NOT SHOWN ON THE PLAN, BUT AS SOON AS THAT'S SETTLED, IT WILL BECOME PART OF OUR PLANS.
BRING AHEAD AND COME BACK AND DO ALL THAT CLEAR.
I THINK TYPICALLY SOMETHING YOU DISCUSSED WITH THE GOOD WITH THAT.
I'D RATHER THEM COME BACK WITH A CLEAN LAKE
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QUESTION THAT'S STILL IN LIMBO OUT THERE AND IN AND OUTS BECAUSE A LOT OF 'EM LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE GOING RIGHT BACK TO ANOTHER SUBDIVISION.I BELIEVE THAT WE'VE BEEN DIRECTED THAT WE HAVE TO COME BACK WITH A, A MORE FORMALIZED PLAN, BUT THIS IS JUST TO SECURE THE INITIAL SUBDIVISIONS AND DENSITY OF THE PROJECT.
AND ALL THE QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN, I THINK, ADDRESSED, UM, BY THE, THE DRC I'M 10 POINT SCALE, THE ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT.
I I I MEAN THE, THE, ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE SUBDIVISION LAND USE ORDINANCE HAS BEEN ADDRESSED.
AND I BELIEVE THAT JUST TO, I MEAN I'M NOT, THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN THE FIRST ITEM.
THIS IS NOT A REZONING, THIS IS JUST, THIS IS A VOTE TO SAY THAT WE MEET THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
IF I'M NOT CORRECT, IF I'M CORRECT, MR. CHAIRMAN AND THE SPIRIT ARE BEING HELPFUL.
UM, JUST TO PERHAPS FOCUS THIS PART OF THE DISCUSSION, THERE ARE THREE PATHWAYS BEFORE YOU AT THIS JUNCTURE.
ONE IS TO APPROVE GENERAL PLAN AS IS.
THE OTHER IS TO APPROVE THE GENERAL PLAN WITH SOME TYPE OF REASONABLE CONDITION.
AND THE OTHER IS TO DENY GENERAL PLAN APPROVAL.
IN THE DENIAL, YOU WOULD HAVE TO STATE WHAT SPECIFIC PART OF THE LANE'S ORDINANCE IS NOT SATISFIED.
IF YOU ALL AGREE, UM, WITH STAFF'S ASSESSMENT BASED ON THE PRESENTATION HERE TONIGHT AND THE INFORMATION AUTHOR BY THE APPLICANT AND OTHERS, BUT ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GRAND USE ORDINANCE HAVE BEEN SATISFIED, THEN THE ONLY LEGAL PATHWAY BEFORE YOU TO MOVE FORWARD IS TO, UM, APPROVE THE GENERAL PLAN.
OR IF YOU ALL FOR SOME REASON NEED TO GET ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, YOU COULD CONTINUE THE APPLICATION.
HOWEVER, IF NO FACTS WILL CHANGE BETWEEN NOW AND THAT CONTINUING DATE, YOU'LL FIND YOURSELF IN THE SAME FACTUAL CIRCUMSTANCE AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.
SO AGAIN, THREE OPTIONS PROVE, APPROVE THAT IT'S A REASONABLE CONDITION OR DENY STATING A SPECIFIC DEFICIENCY AS IT RELATES TO THE LAND SOURCES.
SO MR. CHAIR, I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION.
I MEAN, WE CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE DISCUSSION, BUT I REALLY, MY QUESTIONS WERE, I SAW LINGERING ANSWERS THAT WERE NOT ADDRESSED IN THE DRC.
AND SO I, I THINK MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN RESOLVED.
SO I, I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION ONCE WE ARE FINISHED WITH OUR DISCUSSION.
SO MARGIE, WHAT SPECIFICALLY ARE YOU LOOKING FOR? WELL, I'M LOOKING AT MORE OF THE WAY OF GETTING IN AND OUT.
I'M NOT OPPOSED TO GROWTH
BUT I'M JUST CONCERNED WITH SUCH A LARGE PROPOSAL LAID OUT HERE.
UM, I'D LIKE TO HAVE MORE CLARITY ON THEM.
I MEAN, THERE'S BASICALLY ONE ACCESS POINT, BUT YOU'VE GOT ONE GOING OUT INTO ANOTHER SUBDIVISION, SO IT'S LIKE, OKAY, THIS ONE GOING BACK TO WHAT'S ALREADY IN THERE.
UM, 42 43 THAT'S NOT FINISHED OUT THERE.
I GUESS EVENTUALLY, MICHAEL, IF YOU'RE GIVING HIM ACCESS, WHERE DO HE GO? YEAH.
UM, MOMMY LAND'S UNDEVELOPED YOUR, SO IT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO BRING UP OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS STUDYING ALL THE ACCESS POINTS.
IF YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, HE WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER.
UM, I'M, I'M HAPPY TO, UM, RONALD STEVENSON WITH, UM, RANDY K ASSOCIATES.
AND, UM, SO WE ARE CURRENTLY, AS, AS KENDRICK STATED EARLIER, WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON WITH DOT AND, UH, ON THE, UH, OFFICIAL TRAFFIC STUDY THAT'LL KIND OF FINALIZE THINGS THAT WE NEED FOR THE DRIVEWAY PERMIT.
UH, BUT THE, THE PRIMARY ACCESS POINT IS GONNA BE ALONG 43 WHEN IT, IT'S DONE.
DOT IS, UH, PROJECTING CONSTRUCTION OF THAT IN 2025 IS WHAT THEY'RE TELLING US.
SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM SUCH THAT THAT IS OUR PRIMARY ACCESS POINT, UH, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO THAT'S GOING TO OCCUR AS ALLISON HAD HAD MENTIONED ALSO, THERE'S EVEN ANOTHER, UH, POTENTIAL ACCESS POINT THAT IS BEING WORKED ON RIGHT NOW.
AND I THINK THERE'S JUST, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT UNCERTAIN, WHICH IS WHY IT'S NOT SHOWN THE PLAN AT THIS POINT.
SO THERE ARE GONNA BE MULTIPLE ACCESS POINTS FOR THE PROJECT.
SO, SO BASIC RIGHT NOW WITHOUT 43 BEING CONCLUDED, THE ONLY ACCESS TO THIS AREA IS FROM THE SOUTH.
UM, I'M TIM
WE HAVE THE OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE WILL TIE TO A EXISTING WORKING ROAD MAN.
WE'RE GOING TO SEVO AND WE WILL BE GOING TO A, WE, WE HAVE MULTIPLE OPTIONS TO GO TO AN EXISTING REVENUE.
WE CAN MAKE THAT A CONDITION OF THE, OF THE APPROVAL.
BUT WE DO HAVE, UH, WE, WE ARE NOT GONNA, 43 WILL BECOME OUR MAIN ACCESS WHEN IT'S CONSTRUCTED.
AND, BUT UNTIL THEN WE WILL HAVE TWO ACCESS POINTS THAT WILL BE, THAT YOU CAN TAKE, CARS CAN DRIVE TO THE, INTO
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THE SITE AND SITE ON THAT MAP WHERE THAT'S THE ONE.CAN YOU SHOW IT ON THAT MAP? SO SAVOY IS IN THE SUB, RIGHT? SO YOU GOTTA GET BACK INTO THE SUBDIVISION.
HOWEVER, IF YOU'LL CONSIDER TIMING OF THIS, SO WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS GETTING THIS INITIAL PLAN GOING.
THE, THE TIA TAKES QUITE A BIT OF TIME.
UH, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT GOING VERTICAL ON THIS UNTIL 2025, WHICH IS THE TIMELINE THAT DOT HAS.
SO THESE THINGS WILL BE ALIGNED AT THE SAME TIME.
IS IT FUNDING 70 FIXED YEAR? UH, YES IT IS.
IT IS CURRENTLY SCHEDULED FOR 2025 TO CONSTRUCT BUT IT'S FUNDED WITH.
AND MR. CHAIR, IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO UM, JUST REDIRECT EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION TO ARTICLE.
I THINK IT'S 14 OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE, THE STREETS AND SIDEWALK SECTION, WHICH ACTUALLY PROMOTES CONNECTIVITY.
THE STEP OUTS THAT ARE INDICATED ON THE PLA.
UM, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY REQUIRE CONNECTIVITY TO AN EXISTING, UH, MULTIPLE CONNECTIONS TO EXISTING ROADWAYS.
SO LONG AS THAT CONNECTIVITY IS A POSSIBILITY, THAT'S LANGUAGE THERE.
UNFORTUNATELY WE CAN'T REQUIRE CORRECT ANYTHING.
WE CAN SIT HERE AND TALK ABOUT IT.
WE KIND INVOLVED, WE TALKING ABOUT T ISN'T OUR JOB TO CONSIDER THE QUALITY OF THIS FOR OTHER FOLKS, NOT JUST THIS AS AN INDIVIDUAL ENTITY.
FOR EXAMPLE, THIS SUBDIVISION DOWN HERE, IF IT TURNS OUT THAT'S THE ONLY WAY IN AND OUT.
SO THOSE, THOSE PEOPLE ARE NOW LIVING IN, IN THE DEVELOPMENT THAT BECOMES A THROUGHWAY FOR THIS.
THAT'S THE ISSUE I HAVE INTERIM YOU, YOU COULD BE CORRECT AND PROBABLY CORRECT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S A PUR TO THIS BOARD.
MR. SO THIS IS A TECHNICAL REVIEW BOARD AND YOUR PURVIEW IS TO COMPARE THE PLANS AS PRESENTED TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE AS IT'S WRITTEN AND SPECIFICALLY THE REQUIREMENTS OF GENERAL PLANNING APPROVAL.
IF THE PLAN PRESENTED SATISFIES THE REQUIREMENTS OF BOTH THE LAND USE ORDINANCE AS IT EXISTS RIGHT NOW AND THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GENERAL PLANNING APPROVAL PROCESS, THEN THERE'S NO OTHER DECISION THAT THERE ARE NO OTHER FACTORS SET UNFORTUNATELY.
AND BY THE TIME AND BY THE TIME THEY COME BACK FOR FINAL.
YES, THERE'S A FINAL PLAN AND THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT YOU GET IN THE FINAL PLAN.
THE GENERAL PLAN IS JUST TO GET THEM AN IDEA OF HOW THIS IS SUPPOSED TO COME TOGETHER.
THERE'S SO MANY BITS AND PIECES TO BE PUT TOGETHER.
UM, CAN CHANGE THAT CAN TOTALLY CHANGE BETWEEN NOW AND THEY, THEY'RE GOING UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
UM, IS THAT AS LONG AS THEY MEET THE RULES THAT THE GUIDELINES THAT WE HAVE AND WHICH THEY DO.
SO IT SHOULD ALSO BE STATED THAT HOUSES CAN'T BE CONSTRUCTED AND COS ISSUED UNTIL AFTER FINAL PLATT APPROVAL IS GIVEN.
SO THE ACTUAL IMPACT OF NEW RESIDENCES ON THIS CANNOT EVEN BE PROJECTED UNTIL AFTER FINAL PLATT APPROVAL IS DONE.
UM, HAVING SAID THAT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THIS MATTER.
I MAKE A MOTION, WE APPROVE THE GENERAL PLAN APPROVE.
ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON ITEM? HEARING? NONE.
UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
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ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX FOR MEMBER COMMENTS.I KNOW I HAD ATTENDED A COUPLE OF KNEW WHEN THEY WERE AND WHERE THEY WERE.
WHAT THE, IS THAT INFORMATION PROVIDE US? CAN WE ATTEND THOSE? ABSOLUTELY.
LIKE TO I CAN LOOP YOU IN POTENTIALLY BE ADDED TO THE I HAVE AN OPTION.
IT'S ON THE CALENDAR HERE AS WELL, SO.
AND I KNEW IT WAS ON THE CALENDAR.
IT WAS ON THE PREVIOUS CALENDAR AS WELL.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHEN, IF THE MEETINGS WERE ACTUALLY, 'CAUSE SOMETIMES IT DIDN'T HAPPEN 'CAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ON THE LIST.
AND THEN VISTA, THAT'S UH, DRC? YES.
THOSE WERE HELD IN THE MORNING.
I WENT TO A COUPLE OF THOSE WHEN I FIRST GOT.
BUT I CAN ABSOLUTELY LOOP ANYONE WHO WAS INTERESTED.
UM, THE SECOND COMMENT I HAD WAS, UM, WHEN WE HAD ADDRESSED THE PARKING OFF STREET PARKING ORDINANCE ISSUED DOWNTOWN, UH, THERE WAS DISCUSSION
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AMONGST THIS BOARD AND I HAD ACTUALLY EVEN MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARDMY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE WAS A PARKING BOARD THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE IN 2007, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THERE WAS A PARKING STUDY DONE AROUND THE SAME TIME BY A THIRD PARTY, WHICH, AND I'VE READ THAT STUDY, I HAVE A COPY OF IT.
IT'S VARIED, INCOMPLETE IN MY ESTIMATION.
AND THEY MADE SOME ASSUMPTIONS THAT I THINK WERE QUITE ERRONEOUS AT THE TIME.
UH, AND THINGS HAVE CHANGED SINCE THEN.
AND I THINK BASED ON THAT AND, AND WITH FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, MR. RAIN'S EVEN DISCUSSING MORE HOUSING 'CAUSE MORE PEOPLE ARE COMING, WELL IF MORE PEOPLE ARE COMING AND WE BETTER START ADDRESSING WHAT THOSE PARKING NEEDS REALLY LOOK LIKE AND I DON'T SEE A BETTER PLACE IN THE CITY OTHER THAN THIS BOARD TO TRY TO PUT TOGETHER A PARKING COMMITTEE AND MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD ALONG.
WE CAN EVEN GET MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC INVOLVED IF YOU CHOOSE TO DO SO.
AND I HAD ACCESS TO A COUPLE OF PEOPLE THAT WERE ON THAT PARKING COMMITTEE.
UM, SO, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IF THAT'S EVEN POSSIBLE.
CAN WE DO THAT OF OUR OWN ACCORD? HOW DO DO WE DO THAT? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
SO IF, AND I WAS NOT AROUND IN 2017, BUT MY RECOLLECTION BASED ON INFORMATION I HAVE ACCESS TO WAS THE BOARD OF ALDERON ACTUALLY CONSTITUTED THE COMMITTEE THAT YOU'VE BEEN REFERENCING.
UM, AND TASKED THEM WITH VERY SPECIFIC GUIDELINES.
I THINK THE BOARD WAS VERY DILIGENT IN GETTING DIVERSE OPINIONS AND, YOU KNOW, SELECTING INDIVIDUALS FROM VARIOUS DIFFERENT SEGMENTS OF OUR COMMUNITY TO HAVE VALUABLE INPUT.
IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THIS BOARD THINKS IS HELPFUL, IT MAY BE GOOD TO GET AN ASSIGNMENT FROM THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN IN THE SAME WAY THAT THE PREVIOUS PARKING COMMITTEE WAS CONSTITUTED.
UM, THAT THAT WAS NOT SOMETHING ORGANIC OUT OF THIS BODY THAT WOULD, IF IF WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW THE PREVIOUS PRECEDENT, THEN YOU WOULD GO TO THE BOARD, YOU WOULD SEND SOME TYPE OF CORRESPONDENCE TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN SAYING THAT THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT YOU THINK IS IMPORTANT AND NEEDS TO BE TAKEN UP, UM, AND ASK FOR SOME DAMAGE FROM THE GOVERNMENT.
WE, WE CAN'T FORM OUR OWN SUBCOMMITTEES.
I MEAN WE COULD AND WE COULD COME UP WITH OUR OWN STUFF.
WE HAVE WORKING AND THEY DON'T HAVE, WE HAVE WORKING GROUPS.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO LISTEN TO US
BUT IT WOULD BE BETTER, BUT IT WOULD BE BETTER TO GET THEM TO, TO SANCTION US TO DO THAT.
I I WOULD, I WOULD BE WILLING TO FORWARD THE EMAIL EITHER ONE DRAFT, ONE TO THE BOARD.
WOULD THAT BE WITHIN THE, HOW WOULD THAT PROCESS WORK? I THINK THERE, THERE WOULD NEED TO BE SOME CONSENSUS AMONG THE MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERS THAT THIS IS, UM, AN ISSUE THAT YOU ALL HAVE SOME INTEREST IN.
AND IF THERE IS SOME CONSENSUS FROM THE MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERS, THEN YOU CAN FORWARD THAT, UH, CORRESPONDENCE TO THE CITY CLERK.
DO WE WANNA HAVE A MOTION? DO WE NEED A MOTION? NOT WHEN SEND OUT THE EMAILS.
THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD PUT IT ON THE RECORD AND WE'LL DO A, OKAY.
SO I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ESTABLISH A, A PIECE OF CORRESPONDENCE, UH, THAT WE SENT TO THE BOARD.
UM, YOU PREPARED TO DO A ROLL CALL? VOTE? YES.
ALRIGHT, LET'S START WITH, UH, MR. RUSTY A YES.
AND THAT MR. MARGIE, OH, EXCUSE ME.
AND MR. ING IS, UH, EXCUSED AND MR. MARSHALL VALLEY HERE.
THERE WASN'T THAT UNANIM, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S CORRECT.
MR. CHAIR, JUST AS A POINT OF CLARITY, IS THAT SOMETHING, IS THAT CORRESPONDENCE GONNA BE DRAFTED BY ONE OF THE MEMBERS? ARE YOU ASKING STAFF TO PUT THAT TOGETHER? WHAT'S THE LEDGE OF THE MEMBERS? I'M WILLING TO DO IT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY TO GET THAT DONE.
IF IT'S BETTER FOR YOU GUYS TO DRAFT IT AND SEND IT TO THE COURT, THEN THAT'S FINE.
OR I WILL DRAFT ONE AND SEND IT TO THE COURT IF I, HOWEVER, WELL IT CAN IT BE DRAFTED BY STAFF AND SENT TO ALL OF US FOR REVIEW? MM-HMM.
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IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE DISCUSSION HERE TONIGHT, SEND THAT ON TO THE CITY CLERKS, HOWEVER YOU GUYS WANNA DO IT.WELL, I'D RECOMMEND TO THE CHAIRMAN THAT WE HAVE CITY STAFF, UM, GENERATE A DRAFT OKAY.
THAT LET'S IS THAT THE CONSENSUS? LET'S, YEAH, LET'S ADD IT TO THE BOARD.
SO STAFF HAD DIRECTION TO DRAFT SOME TYPE OF CORRESPONDENCE FOR YOU ALL TO REVIEW.
AND AFTER YOU ALL APPROVE, THEN IT WOULD BE SENT ON THE BOARD.
SO IT'LL BE APPROVED AT THE NEXT MEETING.
IF I CAN, YEAH, IF I CAN MAKE, GET THAT COMPLETED.
UH, IT MAY TAKE SOME TIME JUST TO KIND OF JUST BE HONEST AND
UM, JUST DEPENDING ON WHAT THE VOLUME LOOKS LIKE.
WOULD YOU BE OPEN, OPEN TO GETTING A DRAFT? I COULD MAKE IT.
I SEE HIS EYES ARE LOOKING AT ME.
I DON'T, WHAT I DON'T WANNA DO IS LIKE HE'S GOT, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL PUT TOGETHER A DRAFT AND I'LL SEND IT OUT TO EVERYBODY HERE.
YOU GUYS, THAT, THAT SOUNDS GOOD TO ME.
I JUST, I DON'T WANT TO DELAY.
I HAVE EXPERIENCE WRITING EMAILS TO THE BOARD OF ALL
ANY MORE COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS? DO WE NEED TO ADOPT OUR NEW WE? THAT WAS GONNA BE MY, I THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA DO IT, BUT, BUT UH, WE DO NOW.
WE ADOPT THE CALENDAR AS WRITTEN MOTION.
ANY MORE DISCUSSION? UH, HEARING UN UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
UM, MOVING ON TO STAFF COMMENT ACTUALLY THAT DO THE COMMENTS, SO THAT'S PERFECT.
I'LL, UH, UH, WITH THAT TO ADJOURN I A MOTION A SECOND.