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EVERYONE DOING TODAY? GOOD.[Municipal Service District Meeting on January 29, 2024.]
VERY WELL.WELL, WELCOME TO CITY HALL FOR OUR FIRST MSD MEETING.
AND THE FIRST ORDER OF THIS IS GONNA BE THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE OATH.
SO WE'RE GONNA TURN IT OVER TO BRENDA TO START THIS PROCESS.
DOES ANYONE NOT HAVE AN IN OR SOMETHING? RIGHT? WITH, OKAY.
INSTEAD OF DOING THIS INDIVIDUALLY, WE'LL TRY TO DO SEVERAL OF YOU AT THE SAME TIME, MAKE IT GO A LITTLE BIT FASTER.
THE TWO OF YOU WANNA SHARE RIGHT HANDS, AND THE TWO OF YOU WANNA SHARE IF YOU'LL PLACE YOUR LEFT HAND ON THE BOTTOM AND RAISE CLOSER TO THE HEART.
UM, AND AFTER I REPEAT A SECTION, IF YOU'LL JUST SAY, I DO, I WILL, WHICHEVER ONE I SOLEMNLY AFFIRM OR SWEAR THAT I'LL FAITHFULLY AND IMPARTIALLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES AS A MEMBER OF THE MUNICIPAL SERVICE DISTRICT ADVISORY COMMITTEE OF THE CITY OF NEW BERN AND ALL THINGS ACCORDING TO LAW, AND TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY, I'LL, I DO SOLEMNLY AND SINCERELY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT I'LL SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, THAT I'LL BE FAITHFUL AND BE TRUE ALLEGIANCE TO THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA AND TO THE CONSTITUTIONAL POWERS AND AUTHORITIES WHICH ARE OR MAY BE ESTABLISHED FOR THE GOVERNMENT THEREOF.
AND THAT I WILL ENDEAVOR TO SUPPORT, MAINTAIN, AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF SAID STATE, NOT INCONSISTENT WITH THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE AND ABILITIES TO HELP ME.
GOD I'LL YOU ARE NOW OURS FOR THE LENGTH OF YOUR TERM,
SO YOU'LL SIGN THOSE AND THEN WE'LL SHIFT THE BOTTLES AND THEN I'LL COME BACK AROUND AND COLLECT THOSE AND WE'LL EMAIL YOU A COPY FOR YOUR RECORD, FOR YOUR SCRAPBOOK.
I DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT I WILL FAITHFULLY AND IMPARTIALLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES AS A MEMBER OF THE MUNICIPAL SERVICE DISTRICT ADVISORY COMMITTEE OF THE CITY OF NEW BERN AND ALL THINGS ACCORDING TO LAW AND TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY, I DO SOLEMNLY AND SINCERELY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT I'LL SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, THAT I'LL BE FAITHFUL AND BEAR TRUE ALLEGIANCE TO THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA AND TO THE CONSTITUTIONAL POWERS AND AUTHORITIES WHICH ARE OR MAY BE ESTABLISHED FOR THE GOVERNMENT THEREOF.
AND THAT I WILL ENDEAVOR TO SUPPORT, MAINTAIN, AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF SAID STATE, NOT INCONSISTENT WITH THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE AND ABILITIES.
THERE'S ACTUALLY SPACE BETWEEN, OKAY.
DO I HAVE THEM ALL? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
SO BEFORE WE CALL THE MEETING DOOR, WHY DON'T WE JUST GO AROUND THE ROOM, INTRODUCE OURSELVES, AND, AND WE'LL START WITH YOU AND WE'LL JUST WORK OUR WAY AROUND.
THAT WAY EVERYONE MIGHT NOT KNOW ATTENDANCE.
UM, I'M SITTING ON THE ADVISORY BOARD JUST AS AN EX-OFFICIAL MEMBER, SO A NON-VOTING MEMBER OF THIS BOARD.
UM, I'M MICHAEL LEE, ROSE WATSON.
DO YOU WANT TO KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT ME? OH, OKAY.
WELL, WE'VE BEEN HERE 31 YEARS.
WE, UH, BOUGHT TWO 17 MIDDLE STREET.
I'M A CUSTOM STAINED GLASS ARTIST.
WE'VE DONE, UM, SIX, UH, BUILDINGS JUST ON MIDDLE STREET, UH, MIDDLE STREET WHILE WE RESTORED THOSE PANELS AND A LOT OF OTHER THINGS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO WE'VE BEEN PRETTY PLUGGED IN FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS, UM, AS RESIDENCES AND AS, UH, DOING BUSINESS HERE.
UM, I'M A NATIVE NEW HE IN THIS ROOM FROM, BESIDES
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THAT GUY I HERE.I, UM, I FROM VER WENT TO VER AND I WENT TO NC STATE, GRADUATED NC STATE, HOW MUCH I JOINED BEING BACK IN NEWBURN.
SO I CAME BACK HERE ABOUT 2002.
UH, OUR OFFICE IS DOWN THE STREET, ROBINSON STEAD INSURANCE, UM, AND ALSO IT'S PROPERTY OVER AT, UH, ON CRAIG STREET, 2 0 6 CRAIG STREET.
I'M PROBABLY THE NEWEST PERSON IN TOWN.
UM, I'VE BEEN HERE ABOUT A YEAR.
MY WIFE AND I LIVE AT, UM, SKY SALE.
HAVE, UM, THREE ADULT, UM, DAUGHTERS, ONE WHO'S MARRIED WITH OUR FIRST GRANDDAUGHTER AND, UM, IN VERNA, WHICH IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BROUGHT US HERE.
UM, THE OTHER THING THAT BROUGHT US HERE, WE WERE, WE WERE LOOKING FOR A, A SMALL COASTAL CAROLINA TOWN TO ULTIMATELY RETIRE.
I, I'M NOT RETIRED, I'M GONNA CONTINUE WORKING FOR AS LONG AS I CAN.
UM, BUT I'M A, UH, CIVIL ENGINEER, UM, OVER 30 YEARS EXPERIENCE IN SITE DEVELOPMENT, UM, AND DESIGN CONSTRUCTION.
UM, ALSO SPENT, UH, SOME TIME IN THE MARINE CORPS LOCALLY AT, AT CAMP LEJEUNE, UM, WHICH IS WHAT I REALLY GREW TO, TO LOVE THIS AREA.
UM, AND, UM, UM, HOPE TO, UH, OFFER MY EXPERIENCE TO, UH, FURTHER THIS COMMUNITY.
IT'S WONDERFUL COMMUNITY AND, UM, I, I REALLY ENJOYED IT.
I'M GRETCHEN DZA, MY HUSBAND AND I BOUGHT THE, UH, FORMERLY HARMONY HOUSE IN, UH, EIGHT YEARS AGO, AND, UM, CHANGED THE NAME TO BENJAMIN ELLIS TO HONOR THE ORIGINAL FAMILY THAT BUILT THE HOUSE.
UM, WE BOUNCED AROUND QUITE A BIT IN OUR MARRIED LIFE AND WE ENDED UP IN NEW BERN BECAUSE OF THE TIME OF SWITZERLAND.
WE SPENT 13 YEARS IN SWITZERLAND.
UM, MY HUSBAND WAS IN THE COMPUTER INDUSTRY AND, UM, FOUND NEWBURN BECAUSE AT THE TIME, SWITZERLAND, SOMETHING ABOUT NEWBURN WAS COMING BACK AND WE BOUGHT IT IN RETIREMENT.
BUT YEAH, WE, UM, BEEN ENJOYING IT VERY MUCH.
WE LIVED BEHIND THE END, SO WE NOT ONLY LIKE MID, UM, LIVED IN THE MSD, BUT WE ALSO WORK AT THE, I'M JOHN HAROLDSON.
I'VE BEEN IN NEW BERN FOR ABOUT 32 YEARS NOW AND OWN A NUMBER OF PROPERTIES IN THE WORK DISTRICT OR THE M MS D DISTRICT.
I, UM, HERE REPRESENTING ENTERTAINMENT AND NIGHTLIFE AS THE LAST 15 YEARS, MY CAREER SPENT IN HOTELS AND RESORTS AND CRUISE SHIPS AND THE ENTERTAINMENT DEPARTMENTS.
UH, BUILDING UP THAT CAREER NOW I'M HERE.
UH, MY WIFE AND I, WE HAVE A DUO ACT, LEWISTON PARKTOWN, BUT MORE THAN THAT WE ALSO ARE IN WITH BAXTER, 1892, RIGHT DOWN THE STREET,
SO I'M EXCITED TO BE A PART OF THIS GROUP.
AND I ALSO GO TO CHURCH WITH DAVID.
I HAVE BEEN AT CHELSEA FOR 31 YEARS.
UM, I'LL NEVER FORGET DRIVING ACROSS THE TRAIN TRACK 36 YEARS AGO.
I'M ORIGINALLY FROM ANNAPOLIS, MARYLAND, MY FIRST 21 YEARS OF LIFE.
AND THEN DRIVING THROUGH WITH MY DAD, COMING OVER THE TRAIN TRACKS AND TAKING A RIDE ON THE BROAD STREET.
AND THERE WAS THREE STORES AT BACK STREETT SPORTING, GOOD MUCH JEWELRY, GOT A LOT OF ANTIQUES.
THAT'S ALL I ANTIQUES BACK THERE.
AND I SAID, DAD, THIS IS SUCH A HATE TOWN.
WELL, THEY FOUND PROPERTY IN SWANSBORO, UM, WHICH IS EVEN 37, 36 YEARS AGO WAS, WAS NOTHING.
SO, UM, ANYWAY, UM, I'VE BEEN AT THE CHELSEA IN 31 YEARS.
BOUGHT IT FROM LIVING IN HARRY M UH, DONALD, UM, ROUGHLY 19 YEARS AGO AND I CAN'T IMAGINE THEM ANYWHERE ELSE.
SO, AND SABRINA WAS MY SUPPORT FOR MANY YEARS.
DAVID, IT'S NICE TO MEET YOU AND, UH, WE KNOW WE SET PIECES OF PROPERTY.
UM, I'M MARRIED A NATIVE AS WELL.
I HAVE OWNED PROPERTY AND WE'VE BEEN IN THAT TIME.
WE'VE BEEN FOR ALMOST 45 YEARS NOW.
SO WE'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME.
UM, HUSBAND'S FAMILY'S BEEN HERE A LONG TIME, SO VERY INTIMATE WITH THE MSD.
MICHAEL RAINS, CENTURY 20 ONES, 18 RAINS.
WE GOT THE BUILDING ALL 3, 3 12 SOUTH JOINT STREET.
UM, THE PARKING LOT NEXT TO MITCHELL WHERE, UM, BEEN HERE ALL MY LIFE EXCEPT FOR ABOUT FIVE OR SIX YEARS, UM, GOING TO COLLEGE AND, AND HANGING AT THE BEACH.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I'VE LIVED IN AND WORKED IN VERN AND MUL.
I'M THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCIER FOR THE CITY OF DENVER.
AND I'M FOSTER HUGHES, THE CITY MANAGER.
AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH EVERYONE THROUGH THIS
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PROCESS.SO UNTIL, UH, WE HAVE A CHAIR APPOINTED, WHICH SHOULD BE A FEW MINUTES, I'LL JUST GO THROUGH THE, THE AGENDA UNTIL THAT TIME.
SO AT THIS TIME, KIM, IF YOU'LL DO A ROLL CALL.
ALWIN ROYAL CITY MANAGER HERE.
SO THE NEXT ITEM IS TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CURRENT AGENDA? CAN I MAKE A REQUEST THAT WE MOVE ITEM SIX AND SWAP ITEM SIX TO NINE FIVE.
I JUST THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL IF WE UNDERSTOOD OUR RESPONSIBILITIES BEFORE WE PICKED OUR CHAIR.
OKAY, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
OKAY, SO THE NEXT ITEM IS DISCUSSION OF COMMITTEE DUTIES TO PROVIDE ADVISORY RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD OF AUDITOR.
SO THIS IS AN ADVISORY BOARD, OKAY? SO YOU HAVE NO DECISION MAKING POWERS.
AND SO THE GOAL OF THIS BOARD IS TO COME UP WITH RECOMMENDATIONS TO PRESENT TO THE BOARD OF HONOR IF YOU PARTICIPATED IN ANY OF THE PUBLIC MEETINGS WE HAD, UH, AND I THINK NO, OCTOBER, NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR, WE ASKED FOR A VARIETY OF IONS AND A LOT OF INPUT FROM THE CITIZENS THAT LIVE IN THE, AND THE BUSINESS OWNERS, THE MSL POTENTIAL PROJECTS.
AND SOME OF THOSE YOU'RE GONNA SEE COMING UP LATER.
UH, THAT LIST IS NOT ALL INCLUSIVE.
THIS, THIS GROUP MAY SAY, HEY, WE DON'T LIKE ANY OF THESE AND THERE'S THINGS THAT WE THINK WOULD BE BEST SUITED TO PRESENT TO THE GOVERNING BOARD.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING.
YOU'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT VETTING CERTAIN PROJECTS AND MAKING THAT RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF ALL ROOMS ULTIMATELY HAS THE AUTHORITY TO SAY YES OR NO TO THOSE PROJECTS.
OKAY? AND SO, UH, AS AS STAFF, AS THE CITY MANAGER AND FINANCE DIRECTOR, WE'RE GONNA BE, UH, PROVIDING YOU WITH, WITH BACKGROUND KNOWLEDGE ON CERTAIN THINGS AND TECHNICAL KNOWLEDGE AS WELL.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO HELP THIS, THIS COMMITTEE GET THROUGH THE PROCESS.
SO SINCE WE DO NOT HAVE ANY DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITIES IS NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE A QUORUM, EACH TIME WE MEET A QUORUM IS REQUIRED.
A QUORUM IS REQUIRED AND WE ARE RECORDING THIS MEETING JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION.
SO, UM, AND IF THIS MEETING EVER GETS TO THE POINT WHERE, UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WANT TO WATCH, WE CAN ALWAYS GO UPSTAIRS AND TO THE COURTROOM FOR THIS AS WELL.
ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDERS, UH, FOR THE MEETINGS, UH, ARE EXPECTED AS WELL.
SO WHOEVER THE CHAIRMAN IS GONNA BE, THEY'RE GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR, FOR LEAVING THIS MEETING.
UH, ALSO IN TERMS OF AGENDAS, THE AGENDAS WILL BE RELEASED APPROXIMATELY 48 HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING DATE.
THIS GROUP WILL ALSO BE DETERMINING WHEN YOU'D LIKE THE MEETINGS TO, TO OCCUR.
SO IN THE, UM, UH, RESOLUTION THAT WAS DONE TO ESTABLISH THIS COMMITTEE, I THINK WE LOOKED AT QUARTERLY FOR THAT.
BUT THIS COMMITTEE CAN COME UP WITH, WITH ANY MEETING SCHEDULE YOU'D LIKE TO, AS LONG AS YOU AGREE ON THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IS THERE ANY NEED TO HAVE, UM, IS THERE ANY NEED TO HAVE LEGAL COUNSEL HERE SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SECTION ONE 60? NO, THERE IS NOT.
WHO WILL MAKE THE AGENDA? OKAY.
SO STAFF WILL MAKE THE AGENDA OR WILL RELY ON THE, THE CHAIRMAN TO, TO PROVIDE US WITH INFORMATION THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT.
AND THAT'LL BE CIRCULATED PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
AND, AND THAT'S GONNA BE MINUTES OR MINUTES.
IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE THE MINUTES.
AND SO AT, AT THE NEXT MEETING, THIS GROUP HAS, YOU'LL BE VOTING ON THE MINUTES THAT, THAT HAVE BEEN TAKEN AT THIS PAPER AND THEY WILL ALL BE POSTED, UH, ONLINE AS WELL.
CURRENTLY THERE IS AN MSD PAGE AS WELL.
SO IF YOU GO TO NEW BERN MC.GOV, THE EASIEST WAY TO FIND IT IS UNDER THE RESIDENTIAL DROPDOWN MENU.
CLICK ON THAT MUNICIPAL SERVICE DISTRICT IS THERE.
AND IT GIVES A REALLY GOOD HISTORY OF THE MSD AND PROJECTS AND MAPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE'VE GOT THAT IN YOUR PACKET AS WELL.
UH, SO IT GOES INTO A LOT OF DETAIL ON THE HISTORY AND UH, UH, SABRINA'S PROVIDED SOME INFORMATION AS WELL.
SO WE'LL PROBABLY PROVIDE A LINK OF PREVIOUS MEETINGS THAT HAVE OCCURRED
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SINCE THE HISTORY OF THE MSD AS WELL, JUST FOR REFERENCE FROM OTHERS TO SEE.THAT ALSO DOES TAKE A LITTLE TIME, BUT JUST WANNA LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT WHAT I'VE PROVIDED WITH HIM WAS ALL THE MEETING NOTES, UM, AND AGENDAS FROM 2016.
THAT'S WHEN I BECAME CHAIR AT THAT POINT.
UM, AND I CARRIED EVERYTHING PRIOR TO THAT.
IT REALLY WAS NO NOTES OR ANYTHING, IT WAS JUST ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR THE MEETINGS, WHICH I DO HAVE IN A FOLDER.
I HAVE 'EM BACK AS FAR AS 2003.
SWISS BAY PLACED THE NOTICES AND THEY WERE JUST, I MEETING, YOU KNOW, NSD NEEDS TO MEET AND MR. HARTMAN WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THIS, THIS, AND THIS.
AND BASICALLY THAT WAS, WAS PRETTY MINIMAL.
THERE WAS NO NOTES OR ANYTHING THAT WAS PROVIDED TO US.
BUT EACH OF MINE FROM 2016 FORWARD, WHAT I GAVE THEM IS, UM, I RECEIVED A FINANCIAL, THE MEMBERS GOT A FINANCIAL REPORT EVERY TIME WE MET, PLUS MEETING TO REPRESENTATIVE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR CONCERNS? I'VE GOT QUESTION, AND THIS NOTE SPECIFIC FOR THIS BOARD IS, UM, OTHER BOARDS I SERVE ON THAT, UM, IS THERE ANY KIND OF INSURANCE OR PROTECTION IF WE, LET'S SAY OPPOSE OR, OR SUPPORT SOMETHING AND THEN WE'RE NAMED IN A LAWSUIT.
IS THERE ANY KIND OF PROTECTION FOR THE MEMBERS? AND UM, ANOTHER PART OF THAT IS, UM, ONE OF THE VOICES CIRCLE.
WE HAVE ANOTHER DEVICE POLICY TO PREVENT ANY OR EVERYONE'S, UM, CELL PHONES OR, OR, UM, IPADS FROM BEING SUBPOENAED IF THERE WAS A LOSS.
AND WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS NONE OF THE OTHER ADVISORY BOARDS OR THE DECISION MAKING BOARDS WITHIN THE CITY HAVE THAT IN THERE.
BUT YES, YOU, YOU ARE ALL COVERED.
UM, IN CASE THERE'S MAKING DECISIONS THAT'S NOT MAKING DECISION IN WAY THAT'S RIGHT.
BUT, BUT, BUT EVERYONE IS COVERED BY, TYPICALLY THAT'LL BE UNDER DIRECTORS AND OFFICER'S OFFICE.
WHETHER YOU'RE LIABLE OR NOT DOESN'T.
ANYTHING ELSE ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO ASK? OKAY.
SO THE NEXT ITEM WE HAVE IS APPOINTMENT OF CHAIR.
SO AT THIS TIME, UH, IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO PLACE ANY NOMINATION OF A CHAIR ON THE TABLE? I GIVEN HER KNOWLEDGE, I'LL SECOND THAT.
WHO? I'M SORRY I'M NOT GOOD WITH NAMES.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT NOMINATION? ALRIGHT, IF NOT ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
AND AT THIS TIME WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE NEW CHAIR.
I APPRECIATE YOUR CONFIDENCE IN ME AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN ALL WORK TOGETHER TO, UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY GET THE MOST OUT OF THE MSD BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR.
INCREASE PROPERTY VALUES, INCREASE PEOPLE ON OUR STREETS, AND MORE BUSINESS FOR THE BUSINESS OWNERS AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.
SO, UM, KIM HAS ALWAYS DONE, I WILL TELL YOU THIS, I'VE WORKED WITH KIM IN THE PAST AND SHE DOES AN EXCELLENT JOB ON THE FINANCIAL REPORT.
ARE YOU GONNA BE, IS THERE COPIES IN THIS? ALRIGHT,
UH, AND WE WOULD, UH, TALK ABOUT THIS.
THERE IS, UH, YOUR REGULAR BALANCE SHEET, THE PROFIT AND LOSS SHEET, AND THEN THE LONG TERM DEBT.
IS THAT STILL INCLUDED IN THAT? MM-HMM.
AND SO THE LONG TERM DEBT IS BASICALLY WHAT WE HAVE BORROWED.
SO EVERYTHING YOU'VE SEEN DOWNTOWN JUST DIDN'T HAPPEN.
AND SO MR. HARTMAN WAS KIND OF THE GENIUS BACK IN THE DAY THAT HE WOULD LEVERAGE THE MONEY THAT WE HAD TO BORROW TO DO THE PROJECTS IN DOWNTOWN.
SO THE LARGEST PROJECTS WE HAD WERE THE SIDEWALKS.
SO THAT WAS THE, UM, TAKING UTILITIES, PUTTING THEM UNDERGROUND AND REMOVING THE STREET LIGHTS UP, YOU KNOW, NEW STREET LIGHTS, TAKING THOSE WIRES OVERHEAD.
AND THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF WHAT YOU SEE DOWNTOWN NOW.
UM, BUT THAT COST A LOT OF MONEY.
SO WE WOULD DO IT IN SEGMENTS.
YOU KNOW, WE STARTED WITH THE 200 BLOCK OF MIDDLE, THEN WE WENT TO THE 300 BLOCK OF MILL, THEN WE WENT OVER TO CRAVEN.
SO IT WASN'T DONE AT ONE TIME, IT WAS DONE IN SEGMENTS.
UH, AND SO WHAT YOU SEE REMAINING HERE, IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE END IS THE, UH, LONG TERM DEBT ON THE LAST PROJECTS THAT WE DID, WHICH WERE THE TWO AND
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TWO TO 400 BLOCKS OF SOUTH FRONT STREET.SO FROM THE CONVENTION CENTER BASICALLY TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS, AND THEN THE 200 BLOCK OF, UH, P*****K AND THE 400 BLOCK OF P*****K.
SO, UH, EXCUSE ME, HANCOCK AND P*****K.
SO THAT'S THE CIVIC THEATER BLOCK AND THE RAILROAD TRACK BLOCK FROM FARMER'S MARKET TO PUK STREET.
SO THAT WAS THE LAST, UM, COMPLETION THAT WE HAD.
AND THIS IS THE REMAINING DEBT THAT WE HAD ON IT.
SO WE WOULD MAKE THE DEBT PAYMENTS AS TIME WENT ON.
BUT BELIEVE ME, THERE WAS A TIME WHEN THERE WAS LIKE ABOUT FIVE OR SIX OF THOSE ON THERE.
SO THIS IS JOHN AND, AND JOHNNY HAVE BEEN ON NS D BEFORE.
THIS IS GOOD TO SEE THIS JOHN
NOW YOU'RE GOING TO SEE WE'LL HAVE SOME FREED UP MONEY AND WE'LL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT AS TIME GOES ON.
HOW WE WILL SPEND THAT MONEY UNDERSTANDING THAT I STILL BELIEVE THAT LEVERAGING IS THE BEST WAY TO USE THAT MONEY AND NOT SPENDING ALL OUR CASH AS WE DON'T HAVE.
I'M CURIOUS IF YOU KNOW THIS ANSWER, BUT LIKE IT SAYS THE LOAN END DATE, UM, 27 28, WILL THOSE BE BOUNCED OUT ZERO OR WILL THERE BE A BALANCE AT THE END? OR WHEN DOES THE AVERAGE END ON THAT? UM, THE LAST PAYMENT FOR THE 2013 IS MAY 14TH, 2028.
AND THE LAST PAYMENT FOR THE 2017 DEBT IS APRIL 18TH, 2028.
OKAY, SO THOSE ZERO, OKAY, I WAS JUST CURIOUS.
I DIDN'T ATE WHEN IT'S PAID TO PAY AND I THINK IN THE PAST WE MIGHT HAVE PAID OFF SOME LOWER ONES.
WE HAVE PAID OFF A FEW IN THE PAST.
CASH PAID A COUPLE THAT HAD HIGHER INTEREST RATES INTEREST NOW.
SO ANYWAY, KIM, IF YOU WANNA GO THROUGH THIS AND MAYBE JUST POINT OUT THE HIGHLIGHTS AND IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS, AGAIN, KIM DOES A MARVELOUS JOB AT THIS.
SO IF WE GO TO THE FIRST PAGE, THE COMPARATIVE, UM, BALANCE SHEET REPORT.
THIS BASICALLY GIVES, AT THE TOP SECTION WE HAVE THE 2024, AND THEN YOU HAVE TWO YEARS COMPARATIVE 2023 AND 22 TO YOUR RIGHT.
OUR ASSETS, WE HAVE UM, $1,981,911 THAT CONSIST OF OUR
THAT'S, UM, FINES THAT ARE ISSUED TO THE, TO THE SCHOOL.
SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A PAY, UM, PAYABLE.
THEN WE HAVE, UM, THE DEFERRED INFLOWS OF RESOURCES.
THAT IS OUR PREPAID REVENUES, UM, THAT WERE RECEIVED.
AND IT'S $51,864 THAT IS RECONCILED AT THE END OF EVERY YEAR.
AND THEN THE NET POSITION, WE HAVE 1,930,000, $40 IN UM, FUND BALANCE WITH $12,892 IS RESTRICTED FOR SPECIFIC PURPOSES.
AND THAT'S THE PART OF, UM, THAT CALCULATION CONSISTS OF THE 12,008, OR I'M SORRY, THE $51,864 IN, UM, PREPAID PLUS THE, TO THE 51,856 AND 12,900 ABOVE FOR THE UM, ASSETS.
AND THE $7 IS DUE TO THE TAXES.
SO THAT'S WHAT THAT NETS UP TO.
SO YOUR ON BALANCE RIGHT NOW 0.9 MILLION.
CAN YOU TELL ME AGAIN WHAT THE DEFERRED REVENUE IS FROM? SO, UM, WE RECEIVE PAYMENTS PRIOR TO UM, SO WE'LL RECEIVE REVENUES NOW FOR NEXT YEAR.
AND YOU HAVE TO SET THAT ASIDE PARKING SPACES OR, UM, IT COULD BE LEASE PARKING SPACES.
IT CAN ACTUALLY BE, UM, YOU HAVE SOME FOR TAX REVENUES, PRE TAX ON AND THEN SOME OF THE, UM, DISCOVERIES THAT GET REPORTED THROUGH THE COUNTY GET, UM, POSTED TO THERE AS WELL.
THE SECOND PAGE IS, SHOULD BE YOUR, UM, BUDGET TO ACTUAL REPORT THE EXPENDITURES CHANGES IN THAT POSITION.
AGAIN, WE'VE GOT TWO COMPARATIVE YEARS.
UM, IF WE GO THROUGH 2024, YOU'VE GOT TO THE LEFT, THE BUDGET THAT WAS SET FOR UM, THIS YEAR, OUR ACTUAL EXPENSES AS OF DECEMBER 31ST AND THEN YOUR VARIANCES OVER AND UNDER THE PERCENTAGE, UM, TO THE RIGHT.
SO YOUR REVENUE TOTALS, UM, ARE, WERE BUDGETED 421,200 AND SO FAR WE RECEIVED 287,000 1 43.
THAT'S ALL HALFWAY DOWN THE PAGE.
AND THAT CONSISTS OF, UM, THE TAX REVENUES ARE ONLY ONE QUARTER.
SO THIS JULY THROUGH DECEMBER, TAX REVENUES
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THAT ARE RECEIVED OCTOBER THROUGH DECEMBER.SO WE'VE ONLY RECEIVED ONE QUARTER OF TAX REVENUES.
UM, AND THEN YOUR RENTAL INCOME CONSISTS OF THE FARMER'S MARKET LEASE AND THEN THE PARKING RENTAL INCOME IS, IS DOWN.
UM, WE BUDGET 60,300, WE'RE AT 35,000, BUT WE STILL HAVE SPRING IN SUMMER WHERE WE START SEEING A LOT MORE ACTIVITY.
THEN IF YOU GO TO THE TOTAL EXPENDITURES, UM, 137,003 UM, WAS BUDGETED.
YOUR EXPENDITURES CONSIST OF SIGNS AND LEASE HANGERS.
WE HAVE, UM, SUPPLIES AND MISCELLANEOUS SERVICES AND COST OF CLEANING THE CUB CLUBHOUSE.
SO, UM, AND THEN OF COURSE YOUR DEBT PAYMENTS, YOU GO DOWN TO OTHER FINANCING SOURCES, THAT'S THE COST FOR PARKING, UM, FOR PER FOR PARKING PERSONNEL OF 42,200.
AND THAT'S A TRANSFER TO THE GENERAL FUND.
HOW DID THAT GET SO HIGH? YOU GO BACK TO OUR MINUTES.
YOU WANNA BE HONEST, I'M JUST GONNA SAY GO BACK TO THE MINUTES.
WE APPROVED NOT TO EXCEED 35,000.
SO I DUNNO HOW, I GUESS THAT'S A FOR DECISION.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE RECORD SHOW THAT WE SAID NOT TO EXCEED 35,000 IN THAT MEETING WHEN WE GOT THE PARKING ATTENDANT OR WHEN WE BOUGHT THE CAR, WHATEVER, YES.
WE SAID IT WAS NOT TO EXCEED EXCEPT SO WITH THE PERSONNEL INCREASE BECAUSE UM, COSTS ARE ARE MUCH HIGHER.
UM, AND WITH THE BUDGET THEY PURCHASED THE $42,000.
I KNOW, I MEAN I KNOW ANYTHING WE WOULD SAY COULD BE OVERRULED, BUT I DO WANT TO GIVE EVERYBODY SOME CONTEXT OF COURSE IF YOU DON'T MIND IN LOOKING AT THAT.
'CAUSE IT WILL GO UP AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE CONSIDER.
SO THEN THAT LEADS YOU WITH, UM, CURRENTLY AS WELL, DECEMBER 31ST, YOUR REVENUE OVER EXPENSES WAS $189,544 TO THE GOOD.
IF YOUR, UM, AT YOUR BEGINNING FUND BALANCE OF $1,740,495 WITHIN THAT POSITION OF 1,930,040.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS SO FAR? OKAY, I'LL POINT OUT THE NEXT PAGE IS MORE OF A, UH, WE KIND OF GAVE YOU MORE OF A DETAIL OF WHAT THOSE LINE ZONES ARE AND WHAT THAT CONSISTS OF.
SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A BREAKDOWN STACK.
SAME THING YOU JUST LOOKED AT, IT JUST BREAKS IT DOWN AND GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A DESCRIPTION AND THEN THEY'LL JUST SAY FOR YOU, JUST SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT THAT, THOSE LINE ITEMS CONSIST OF.
AND I'LL GIVE YOU A MINUTE TO LOOK AT THAT.
AND IF YOU HAVE NO QUESTIONS ON THAT, THE NEXT PAGE IS THE DEATH.
WE JUST PRETTY MUCH OVER THAT TO THE LEFT SPOKE OF, UM, SABRINA, UM, SHARED THAT THE ONE IS FOR 200, UM, 400 BLACK FRONT STREET FOR STREET IMPROVEMENTS.
THE OTHER IS FOR THE HANCOCK AND P*****K STREET.
UM, THE ORIGINAL LOAN AMOUNTS FOR HUNDRED 65 3 $15 AND THE OTHER WAS 800,000, LIKE YOU SAID.
LIKE RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT 5%.
IS THAT WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK? FIVE.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE THE, UM, PRINCIPAL INTEREST SALE OF 7 1 23.
OUR ANNUAL PAYMENTS TOTAL $107,547.
AND THEN OUR, OUR, UM, DEBT BALANCE OF 398,145 1 CENTS FOR ABOVE.
SPEAKING OF INTEREST RATES, I MEAN THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT IT MEANS ON THIS LINE ITEM, BUT OUR CASH THAT WE HAVE ON HAND, WHAT ARE WE GETTING ON THAT? BECAUSE I MEAN, YOU'RE GETTING SOLID 4% MONEY MARKETS NOWADAYS.
UM, ACTUALLY NO, WE'RE UM, 5% TO FIVE AND HALF PERCENT ON OUR INTEREST ON CASH.
SO, SO THE INTEREST ON CASH MATCHES INTEREST ON DEBT WHEN WERE THESE MOM ORIGINATED HOW LONG? UM, 17.
SO YEP, THE 13 WAS THE TWO TO 400 BLOCKS OF SAT FRONT.
YEAH, THAT WAS THE LAST THING YOU SORRY, CAN I JUST CLICK BACK ON THE EXPENSES.
UM, I WAS JUST CURIOUS, WHAT IS R AND M OTHER REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE OTHER THAT
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LEN, THINGS THAT MAYBE, UM, NEED TO BE DONE? UM, SO LET'S SAY, UM, LIGHTS OR, UM, SOMETHING BROKE IN DOWNTOWN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT HAD TO DO STOP SIGNS.TREE TRAINING WAS THE MOST RECENT THING THIS PAST SPRING WHEN WE DID THAT.
ALSO TRASH CAN REPLACEMENT, UH, IF ANYTHING'S DONE TO THE CUB HOUSE ITSELF OR IF THERE WAS WORK THAT HAD TO OCCUR ON THE, UH, ON THE FOUNTAIN, IT, IT CHANGED, THINGS LIKE THAT.
OKAY, BECAUSE I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT IS THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY VERSUS THE MSDS RESPONSIBILITY IN TERMS OF REPAIR MAINTENANCE.
AND, AND SO THE, THE BIG RULE THUMB IS IF, IF YOU SEE IT IN ALL OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY, THE CITY'S GONNA COVER SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING UNIQUE TO DOWNTOWN, REALLY WE LOOK AT THE MS. D.
SO CLUBHOUSE THAT JAMES ARE YOU? THAT'S CORRECT.
AIR PLAZA, ANYTHING LIKE THAT? THEY JUST SAID LIKE LIGHTING TO ME THAT SOUNDS LIKE THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING.
WELL WHEN I SAY LIGHTING, SO, UM, MORE IF IT'S A SPECIFIC LIGHTING IN THE ALLEYWAY OR SOMETHING.
SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, MSD THE, IF YOU SEE THE PRETTY LIGHTS THAT DOWN, JEANS READ LIGHTS.
WE BUY THOSE LIGHTS AND THAT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY VERSUS CITY.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING FINANCIALS? UM, DO WE A, UM, MOTION TO APPROVE OR DO WE, CAN WE JUST WANT A MOTION? OKAY.
UM, SO AT THIS TIME I'LL ASK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FINANCIAL REPORT.
WHEN WE REVIEWING THE POTENTIAL PROJECTS, UM, AGAIN, I HAVE LOOKED INSIDE THE PACKET.
UM, I'LL TELL YOU, UM, I HAVE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH MAYOR ODOM REGARDING THE M MS D AND I KNOW THAT HIS WISH OR HIS, UM, WHAT HE CONSIDERS, UM, POTENTIAL PROJECTS, THE MOST IMPORTANT TO HIM WOULD BE, I HATE TO CALL IT TRASH PLAZA, BUT
AND THAT IS SOMETHING I CAN TELL YOU, I STARTED WORKING ON THAT IN 2009, 2010, AND WE STILL KNOW FURTHER ALONG TODAY.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, FOR ME, AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS ONE OF THE TOP LISTS OF, UH, IMPROVEMENT WE TALKED ABOUT, SAYS NUMBER ONE HERE, THE INTERPORT PARKING LOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA TAKE A LOT OF, UM, WORK, IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF MUSCLE.
WHEN I SAY MUSCLE, I MEAN PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO BE HAPPY.
BUT IT, IT'S SUCH AN IMPORTANT PART OF DOWNTOWN TO BE ABLE TO HAVE PEOPLE WALK THROUGH BAYER PLAZA THROUGH THERE TO C CRAVEN STREET.
IT'LL HELP BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.
WE NEED A SAFE LIT AREA FOR, FOR A FEW PEOPLE.
LET ME JUST GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY AND MICHAEL CAN PROBABLY HELP ME ON THIS TOO.
THAT WAS A, A DIRT LOCK BACK THERE IN THE LATE SEVENTIES, EARLY EIGHTIES.
AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST PROJECTS THAT MSD DID.
AND THAT WAS TO COME IN ALONG WITH THE CITY AND PAVE IT.
SO MANY OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS BACK THERE SAID, GREAT, JUST DO IT.
WE'LL WE'LL SIGN UP A LEASING.
WE'LL BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LEASING OUR PROPERTY FOR NO FUNDS.
I BELIEVE THERE WAS NO REMUNERATION, BUT THEY AGREED TO HAVE THE CITY COME IN AND PAVE AND LIGHT THAT AREA INSIDE THERE FOR PARKING BECAUSE AT THAT POINT IN THE EARLY EIGHTIES, NOBODY WAS COMING DOWNTOWN AND WE WERE TRYING TO SPUR DEVELOPMENT GROWTH BY DOING THAT.
UM, IT WAS A 20 YEAR LEASE AND I BELIEVE IT ENDED SOMEWHERE CLOSE TO 2009, 2008, SOMEWHERE IN THERE.
AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS EVERYBODY STARTED FIGHTING BECAUSE NOW DOWNTOWN HAD BECOME SUCCESSFUL AT THAT POINT.
AND PEOPLE SAY, WELL NO, THESE, THESE ARE, THIS IS MY PROPERTY AND THESE ARE MY PARKING SPACES AND THESE ARE MY PARKING SPACES AND YOU CAN'T DO THIS AND YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
AND SOMEBODY'S PARKING IN MY PARKING SPACE.
SO THE CITY SAYS, WELL WE LIT IT, WE MAINTAINED IT, WE'RE DONE.
I SEE YOU LATER, IT'S NOT OUR PROPERTY.
SO THEY KIND OF STEPPED BACK FROM IT PROBABLY IN THE LAST, DARN YOU CAN HELP ME, MAYBE THE LAST SEVEN YEARS, SIX, SEVEN YEARS, WE'VE, THE LIGHTS ARE BACK ON
'CAUSE AGAIN, DOWNTOWN HAS GROWN.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROBLEM TO HAVE, BUT WE HAVE TO COME TO SOME CONSENSUS.
I MEAN, I OWN PROPERTY BACK THERE.
YOU OWN PROPERTY BACK THERE, PROPERTY BACK THERE, ANYBODY ELSE AT THIS
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TABLE? BUT, UM, AND YOU KNOW, IT WOULD IMPACT MY BUSINESSES BY THAT PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, GOING IN AND MAKING A LOT OF PARKING BACK THERE.BUT THAT BEING SAID, WE HAD NINE PROPOSED CHANGES BACK THERE THAT WERE DONE WITH THE HELP OF SWISS BAY AND DREW THAT AND WE, AND IF WE GET GOT ANY SERIOUS DISCUSSION THAT WE COULD GET BILLY BAAL BERRY AND WE'VE GOT ALL THE MAPS.
YEAH, WE'VE GOT ALL THE MAPS AND IT WAS NARROWED DOWN TO ABOUT THREE.
UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S HERDING CATS.
YES, IT'S GONNA BE HERDING CATS.
AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I WAS OUT THERE ONE DAY WHEN SOMEBODY THAT OWNED THE PROPERTY AT MORGAN'S CAME OUT AND PUT UM, CINDER BLOCKS, UM, AND OUTLINED THEIR PROPERTY AND WE COULDN'T GET TO THE BACK OF OUR PROPERTY.
NOBODY COULD GET AROUND AND, AND NOW 'CAUSE OF THAT, YOU'VE SEEN, WE'VE GOT SOME OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS THAT HAVE MARKED OFF THEIR PARKING SPACES AND THEIR PARKING SPACES AND IT MAKES IT CONFUSING FOR CITIZENS AND IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT AND IT'S HARD ON YOU TOO.
IF I CAN, IF I CAN ADD TO THAT, I WAS ON THAT COMMITTEE THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
WELL YEAH, WHAT WE WERE ACTUALLY SUPPOSED TO BE DOING 'CAUSE IT GOT IN THE PARKING.
BUT A LOT OF THE PROBLEM WAS IF YOU COULD LOOK DOWN LIKE MIDDLE STREET AND THE BUILDINGS ARE 25, 30 FEET WIDE OR SO, THEY'RE NOT VERY WIDE.
AND THEN YOU, YOU OVERLAY THAT WITH, I THINK WE'RE USING UM, MAYBE COUNTY TAX MAPS.
YOU'LL SEE THAT, I WANNA SAY AROUND A QUARTER OF MAYBE NOT THAT MANY, BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF PARKING LOT PARKING SPACES WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE, BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, HOW HIGH PARKING SPACE HAS TO BE, PEOPLE WERE LIKE A THIRD OF THE PARKING SPACE OR A HALF OR OR LESS.
AND SO IT WAS REALLY ODD THAT PEOPLE WERE SAYING, WELL THESE ARE MY PARKING SPACES AND THE PROPERTY LINE MIGHT BE OVER ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER PARKING SPACE.
SO IT WAS, IT WAS TOUGH TO GET PEOPLE TO GIVE UP A SINGLE PARKING IN SPACE OR LOSE ANYTHING AND YOU KNOW, AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE GET YOU LOSE THIS HALF AND GAIN THIS HALF OVER HERE.
BUT IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO GET THAT HAPPEN.
THE ONLY OTHER THING ABOUT THAT IS WE POSTED A, UH, I SAY WE AS IN UM, IT SITS IN OUR CORNER OF OUR PARKING LOT.
WE USED TO HAVE A, A TRASH CAN.
THERE, THERE WERE TWO OR THREE SMALL TRASH CANS THAT GOT DUMPED LIKE ONCE A WEEK.
IT WAS JUST MITCHELLS PLUS THE CHAMBER AND I THINK MAYBE C RENT ROOM WASN'T MANY PEOPLE USING IT, BUT IT WAS JUST OFFICE PAPER.
UM, SWISS BEAR TRIED YEARS AGO TO, IN THIS CONSOLIDATION ATTEMPT, UH, WE ENDED UP WITH THE THE UM, TRASH DUMPSTER, I'LL CALL IT, FOR A COUPLE OF RESTAURANTS.
AND THERE'S BEEN MORE RESTAURANTS AND LITTLE BARS AND COFFEE SHOPS AND STUFF.
BUT SINCE, AND IT'S GETTING WHERE I'M NOW, UM, I WENT BY IT SUNDAY AND TRASH IS NOW POWERED UP, OVERFLOW OUT OF'EM AND THEY DUMP IT EVERY DAY EXCEPT FOR SUNDAY IT'S STILL NOT ENOUGH.
SO THERE'S DEFINITELY NEED THERE FROM, IF NOTHING ELSE, A SAFETY STANDPOINT, THIS POINT BROKEN GLASS ON ROUTE.
UM, BUT IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE AN ASSET TO DOWNTOWN.
WE HAVE, LIKE SENA SAID, YOU CAN GO FROM MIDDLE TO CRAVEN ON A NICE LIT PARKWOOD AND TRASH.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE TRASH.
BUT SOMETHING WHERE IT WAS MORE UNIFORM OR CLOSER TO THE, THE USAGE OR SPREAD OUT TO WHERE, LIKE I SAID, I THINK WE'VE GOT THE ONE THAT'S ALWAYS OVER FOR, AND WE DON'T HAVE A RESTAURANT.
THE CITY ACTUALLY OWNS THE WIDTH OF THE PARKING LOT WHEN YOU ENTER MORGAN'S ON ONE SIDE AND THE POLO'S ON THE OTHER.
SO THE CITY OWNS THAT PROPERTY, KINDA SWAGS A LITTLE LIKE THIS AND THEN GOES DIRECTLY THROUGH TO BEAR PLAZA.
AND YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE ISSUES IS THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE THE CONDOS, THE UPSTAIRS, THEY HAVE FOUR PARKING SPACES, WELL HALF OF THEM ARE ON CITY PROPERTY, SO THEY DON'T EVEN REALLY, YOU KNOW, OWN THE FULL PARKING SPACE.
SO THERE'S A PROBLEM IN ITSELF RIGHT THERE.
BUT AGAIN TO GET THAT WALK, YOU KNOW, THAT WALKTHROUGH IN THAT AREA.
THE OTHER ISSUE IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF DELIVERY TRUCKS PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO DELIVER BACK THERE BECAUSE OF ALL THE RESTAURANTS.
THERE'S NO PLACE FOR THEM TO PULL IN THERE.
CURRENTLY HOW IT'S SET UP IS ALL THE SPACES THERE ARE LEASED MORGAN LEASES, MAYBE 20 SPACES.
20 SPACES THEY LEASE, WHICH THEY HAVE AN ADVANTAGE THAT NOBODY ELSE HAS IN OUR TOWN.
ANY OF THE OTHER RESTAURANTS, YOU KNOW, IS THAT FAIR? MOVING FORWARD? I DON'T KNOW.
I I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S THE KIND OF ISSUE THERE.
THE OTHER SPACES ARE LEASED BY OTHER BUSINESSES WHO MAY OR MAY NOT USE THE PARKING SPACES.
IT'S OUT A GOOD USE OF PARKING SPACE.
IT SHOULD IT BE KIOSKS WHERE YOU COME IN, YOU SPEND SO MANY HOURS AND THEN THE SPACES CAN ROTATE AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL QUESTIONS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ANSWERED IN THIS PROJECT.
SO THIS WOULD BE THE TOUGHEST PROJECT, BUT I THINK THE MOST IMPACTFUL WHY, HOW DID WE, THE CITY SELL THE PROPERTY IN FRONT OF, UM, MITCHELL'S WHEN
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THAT COULD HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED IS A PARKING GARAGE ALONE WITH ALL OF THAT? WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE BOUGHT IT FOR.WHEN THE MSD PURCHASED THAT, THE MAIN REASON WAS TO MAKE IT FOR PARKING AGAIN, THE CURRENT BOARD MADE THE DECISION TO SELL IT.
SO I'M NOT SURE WE SEE NOW WE GET NO TAX REVENUE OFF OF IT WHEN WE COULD BUILT A PARKING GARAGE IN SOLD PARKING SPOTS OR OBVIOUSLY THE METERS.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
'CAUSE THAT'S SO BIG THAT THAT COULD HAVE BEEN THE ENTRANCE TO A PARKING GARAGE.
IT COULD HAVE CLEARED UP THAT WHOLE MIDDLE PARK.
SO MICHAEL OWNS THAT PROPERTY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MITCHELL'S.
WELL, HIS BUILDING, BUT HOW HOW MUCH A YEAR? I DON'T, WELL HE OWNS THE WIDTH FROM MITCHELL'S TO THAT
IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE MAP THAT'S IN THE PACKET.
THE PURPLE STUFF IS THE CITY AND OR COUNTY AND THE RED STUFF IS PRIVATE SO IT DOESN'T CONNECT.
AND THEN WHAT THE CITY ACTUALLY OWNS, IS THAT WHAT SABRINA WAS TALKING ABOUT, IS THAT TWO PARCELS THAT ARE BEAR PLAZA AND A PARKING BETWEEN CRAVEN AND THE MIDDLE.
UM, AND THERE'S A LOT BETWEEN THE TALBOT LOT AND THAT THAT'S PRIVATE.
AND I MEAN, I, TO BE HONEST, I DON'T THINK THAT THE CURRENT BOARD HAS AN APPETITE FOR A PARKING DECK YET.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TRYING TO KIOSK ACROSS THE STREET AND SOME PEOPLE SAY IT WORKS, SOME PEOPLE IT DOESN'T.
A FOSTER'S BEEN TELLING ME THAT THE REVENUE'S BEEN GOOD MORE SO ON THE WEEKENDS THAN DURING THE WEEK BECAUSE THERE'S MORE TOURISTS THEN.
AND I THINK TOURISTS DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM PAYING A DOLLAR.
AND THAT COULD BE THE FUTURE OF THE MORGAN LOT.
I I'M CALLING IT THE MORGAN LOT, BUT THE CITY LOT COULD BE THE FUTURE OF BEHIND US AT THE, THE CHELSEA THAT PARKING LOT TOO.
WE DON'T HAVE SO MANY PROBLEMS BACK THERE.
BUT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE ADDITIONAL PARKING.
I KNOW FOR YOUR BUSINESS AND FOR ANYBODY ELSE THAT HAS A BUSINESS THERE.
HOW CAFE ARTS, THE OTHER THING I WAS CAUTION ON THE PARKING DECK CONCEPT IS I'M, I'M NOT REALLY SURE IF THE MORGAN'S LOT IS EVEN BIG ENOUGH.
UM, YEAH, THAT WOULD NOT, 'CAUSE YOU'VE GOT RAMPS THAT TAKE A LOT OF SPACE.
I, I WAS ON SOMETHING AND I SITTING WRAPPING MY BRAIN BECAUSE SOMEONE DID, MAYBE IT WAS THE ARY OR WHATEVER DID WHEN TABLETS WAS COMING IN AND THEY WERE GONNA BUILD A PARKING GARAGE.
BUT WHEN IT REALLY CAME DOWN TO THE MATTER OF WHAT WE WERE BUILDING, IT DIDN'T LEAVE BUT ONLY A HANDFUL OF PARKING SPOTS.
THEY PROBABLY WERE JUST PARKING ON THE GROUND FLOOR, BUT I THINK IT WAS UNDER BUILDING PARKING ON THE REAR.
THERE ARE SOME DRAWINGS AND STUFF.
ORIGINALLY WE TALKED ABOUT PUTTING THE PARKING DECK AND THE INTERIOR OF THAT PARKING LOT, BUT AT THAT TIME NOBODY HAD RENOVATED THE SECOND FLOORS OR ANYTHING.
SO WE THOUGHT, OKAY, THAT'D BE GREAT.
WE COULD PUT IT IN THERE AND HIDE IT SO YOU WOULDN'T SEE IT.
BUT THEN AS THEY BUILT THOSE CONDOS AND PEOPLE STARTED DOING THE BACK OF THEIR BUILDINGS, LIKE MORGAN'S OR WHATEVER, NOBODY'S GONNA WANT TO HAVE A BIG STRUCTURE IN FRONT OF THAT AND REALLY TAKE AWAY FROM OUR, THERE'S SOME PARKING SPACES LIKE I'M, I'M GONNA SAY WE'RE SNAP DRAGGING UNDERNEATH THE BUILDING KIND OF ON THE REAR? NO, THERE'S A WALKTHROUGH.
IT'S A WALKTHROUGH, BUT IT'S NOT PARKING.
I WONDER IF THE PARKING THEY WERE PROPOSING INCLUDED AUTOMATED PARKING.
THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE ON RACKS, SO IT TAKES UP ROTATES.
SO THEY DO IN NEW YORK CITY, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S REALLY EXPENSIVE.
YOU GO TO AMSTERDAM, YOU DRIVE YOUR CAR INTO THE ELEVATOR AND IT TAKES YOU UP AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF AMERICANS ARE READY FOR THAT TO BE HONEST.
THAT'S PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT PROJECT.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO SERIOUSLY LOOK AT THAT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, EVEN TO THE POINT OF A WORKSHOP, ESPECIALLY CALLED MEETING FOR US TO REALLY REVIEW THE DIFFERENT, UM, DRAWINGS THAT WE HAD.
I BELIEVE WE GOT IT DOWN TO MAYBE TWO OR THREE AND WE HAVE THE TOP THREE AND WE CAN LOOK HOW MANY PARKING SPACES, WHAT IT PROVIDED, WHAT IT DIDN'T PROVIDE, WHAT OUR THOUGHTS ARE.
AND THEN STAFF COULD REALLY HELP US LOOK AT THE LEGALITIES OF WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO.
YOU KNOW, THE UGLY EMINENT DOMAIN WORD.
BUT IS THERE A WAY TO WORK WITH EVERYBODY IN THERE? SO IT'S LIKE, IT USED TO BE EVERYBODY PUT THEIR SPACES IN THERE BEHIND THE CHELSEA, WHAT WE DID, UM, ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS BACK THERE, WE BASICALLY GAVE OUR, OUR LAND TO THE CITY AND SAID, HERE, WE THINK IT'S VALUABLE ENOUGH TO GIVE YOU OUR PROPERTY IF YOU'LL COME IN AND LIGHT IT AND MAINTAIN IT AND PAY IT.
SO IT WAS BENEFICIAL TO US AND WE GAVE UP OUR PROPERTY SO IT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS WORTH IT.
IS THERE A CURRENT, UM, IS THERE AN ALTA SURVEY ON THAT ALTA SURVEY?
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IT A DETAILED PROPERTY SURVEY INDICATING OWNERSHIP AND ENC CONFERENCES? I, IT WAS OFTENTIMES PEOPLE LOOK AT, AT GIS AND THINK THAT'S, I MEAN IN MY ROLE, GIS NEEDS TO GET A SURVEY.BUT I THINK THAT GIS IS CLOSE ENOUGH THAT YOU KNOW WHO THE PLAYERS ARE AND IT'S A GOOD PLAN.
THEN WHEN YOU GET INTO THE DETAIL THOUGH YEAH.
WHEN YOU GET ACTUALLY SIGN EASEMENTS AND STUFF, YES, THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK.
BUT I THINK IN TERMS OF PLANNING, IT'S GOOD ENOUGH.
AND LOOKING AT THE SETUP THAT WE'VE HAD FOR THE DIFFERENT PLANS, WAS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO HAVE DELIVERY TRUCKS TO GO BACK THERE? WELL, THEY WERE MAKING A, A SPACE TO BASICALLY, THERE WAS ONE DRAWING, I THINK THAT WAS ALMOST A CONSENSUS OF EVERYBODY.
SO SAY ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, CLOSEST TO MORTGAGE, YOU WOULD DRIVE IN AND THERE WOULD BE PARKING THERE.
BUT AS YOU CAME AROUND THE EXIT, THAT'S WHERE THEY HAD A LOADING ZONE.
SO THE TRUCKS COULD STOP THERE AND IT WOULD BE DEDICATED LOADING ZONES.
SO THERE WE LOSE SOME PARKING SPACES, RIGHT.
BUT WE'D HAVE A DEDICATED LOADING.
SO TO GET, YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM IS THE TRUCKS GET ON THE STREET HERE AND THEY BLOCK ON THE STREET AND I THINK IT'S DANGEROUS.
CARS ARE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, SO ONE MORE THING.
FOR ME, MY ARGUMENT'S ALWAYS BEEN OKAY FOR, FOR US AND CHELSEA, EVERYONE WANTS TO PARK OUR OLDER CROWD, THEY WANT PARK RIGHT AT THE FRONT DOOR.
SO TO ME, WHY NOT MAKE MIDDLE STREET ONE WAY ALL THE WAY DOWN? THERE YOU GO.
SO THAT WE HAVE PARKING AND GUIDE ALL THE WAY, BUT THEN WE COULD DO IT, WE COULD DO IT HERE TOO, WHICH WOULD DOUBLE THAT AS WELL.
AND, AND MAKE OUR CITY A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT MORE JAM.
BUT MAKE IT SO THAT WE CAN DOUBLE.
I THINK THAT'S OUR PARKING THINK THAT'S A SUGGESTION THAT WE SHOULD BRING FORWARD AND TALK ABOUT IT.
SO ONE WAY ON MIDDLE STREET AND ONE WAY ON CRAIG IT, SO POWER STREET COULD GO EITHER WAY.
WE ALREADY, WE ALREADY HAVE A LIGHT HERE.
SO WE'VE ALWAYS HAD AN ISSUE WITH PEDESTRIANS.
THERE'S MORE PEOPLE I THINK WALKING AROUND THE COURTHOUSE.
SO REALLY THESE ARE TWO BAD SPOTS FOR PEDESTRIANS.
BUT IF YOU MADE IT ONE WAY, UM, BUT YOU GOTTA HAVE IT GOING THE OTHER DIRECTION ON.
BUT THEN YOU COME BACK TO THE LIGHT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT ANOTHER LIGHTING AND THEN OBVIOUSLY HERE YOU DON'T NEED ANOTHER LIFE.
YOU JUST MAKE IT ONE WAY DOWN TO, TO THE WATERFRONT.
I I OF COURSE WE'D HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE COME AND DO A SURVEY AND A TRANSPORTATION STUDY BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH MULTIPLE LOADS OF TRAFFIC, UM, DOING IT ONE WAY, BECAUSE OFTENTIMES ONE WAY TRAFFIC WAS A MEANS TO GET TRAFFIC THROUGH AN AREA QUICKLY.
UM, WHEN YOU HAVE TWO-WAY TRAFFIC, IT ALSO SERVES AS A TRAFFIC CALMING, UM, TECHNIQUE WHERE PEOPLE ARE MORE ALERT IF TRAFFIC'S COMING FROM TWO DIRECTIONS.
UM, SO I MEAN ALL OF THESE THINGS HAVE A LOT OF MERIT AND UH, I'D KIND OF LIKE TO BACK UP AND THINK OF DO WE HAVE A, AN EVALUATION PROCESS FOR LOOKING AT THESE PROJECTS? I'M, I'M SURE THE INNER CORE, WHICH GOT A GOOD SCORE HIGHLY ON WHATEVER, BUT IT, IT'D BE GOOD FOR US TO HAVE SOME SORT OF A, A PROCESS TO GO THROUGH.
UM, ONE THOUGHT IS, ARE THERE CURRENT PROCESSES FOR EVALUATING PROJECTS THAT THAT MIGHT, UM, PIGGYBACK ON SOME, MAYBE SOME GRANT FUNDING OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU, YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING ONCE, BUT IT'S SERVING MULTIPLE UM, PURPOSES.
WE HAVE GOTTEN SOME GRANT FUNDING FROM, THERE'S A, A WALKWAY I WANT SAY BETWEEN UH, WHERE HARRY'S IS AND UM, MORGAN'S AND THAT IS THE ORIGINAL FEDERAL ALLEY AND THAT IS WHERE THE TRASH TRUCKS USED TO GO ALL AND IT'S ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO, UM, HANCOCK STREET.
AND SO THAT WAS THE TRASH ALLEY THERE.
AND SO THAT, UH, WE DID RECEIVE SOME GRANT MONEY, 50,000, $50,000 TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE, ALL THE ELECTRIC
THE BIG, UH, TRANSFORMERS TO MAYBE PAINT THEM OR MAKE THEM LOOK MORE TRACK, UH, ATTRACTIVE LIGHT IT.
AND THAT WAS KIND OF THE IMPETUS TO SAY, OKAY, NOW WE'RE GETTING THIS LOOKING GOOD.
HOW DO WE FIX THE REST OF THIS? SO THAT MAY BE THE WALKWAY TO GET US FROM MIDDLE TORA, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO SOLVE THIS PARKING TRASH DELIVERY ISSUE THAT, BUT HE'S TALKING MORE ABOUT DO WE HAVE SOME KIND OF A CHECKLIST OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, A GRID THAT WE CAN START LOOKING AT WHEN WE'RE EVALUATING ANY PROJECT.
ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MORE? WHAT'S THE PROCESS? YOU KNOW, IS IT WELL, WELL I THINK IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO SOMETHING WITH ONE WAY STREETS AND THINGS, THAT'S ONLY, WE BRING PUBLIC WORKS IN TO DO THE STUDIES AND, AND WORK WITH CONSULTANTS ON THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO IT'S REALLY GONNA DEPEND ON THE PROJECT THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WOULD I SHARE WITH CITY FUNDS THAT WE'RE DOING HERE? PARDON ME? WOULD THAT SHARE CITY FUNDS TO DO THAT KIND OF STUDY? FOR A PROJECT LIKE THIS? UM, THAT WOULD REALLY BE UP TO THE, TO THE GOVERNING BOARD.
UM, MY COMMENT ON THAT WOULD MOST LIKELY
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BE, EH, WE, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE.UM, BECAUSE ONE THING WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT AND, AND WE HAVE THROWN THAT, THAT IDEA AROUND, UH, ONE WAY TRAFFIC ON, ON MIDLAND P*****K STREET, UH, ONE OF THE ISSUES YOU HAVE OVER THE SIDEWALKS, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF SIDEWALK SPACE ON ON MIDDLE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THE MARQUEE DOWNTOWN STREET.
AND WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY MEASURES, MEASUREMENTS OF ANYTHING.
SEE IF WE DID ANGLE PARKING DOWN THERE, COULD WE, COULD WE ADD SOME SIDEWALK SPACE AND FRAME PART OF THAT AS WELL? A LOT OF SIDEWALKS, AS YOU GO FROM 90 DEGREE PARKING TO ANGLE PARKING, YOU'RE DIMINISHING THE BENEFIT OF ADDING SPACES.
'CAUSE I'M GONNA PULL OUT OF THE THIN AIR PARALLEL PARKING, LET'S SAY IT'S LIKE A 20 FOOT SPACE.
YOU CAN GET DOUBLE THE CARS THAT WAY, BUT THEN YOU'RE STILL GOTTA ANSWER THE QUESTION, WHAT'S THE TOTAL WITH YOU'RE DEALING WITH.
BECAUSE YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE THE DELIVERY TRUCKS, YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE PEOPLE STOPPING AND LETTING FOLKS OFF.
SO YOU KIND OF STILL WANT AT LEAST ENOUGH SPACE FOR TWO CARS.
I THINK OTHERWISE IS IT 26 FEET FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES, YOU HAVE TO HAVE 26 FEET FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES.
SO WHATEVER THAT ANGLE IS, THEN YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE 26 FEET.
WELL 26 FEET WOULD BE WIDE ENOUGH THAT IF SOMEONE PULLED OVER TO STOP, PEOPLE COULD STILL GO AROUND.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE, ISN'T IT? SO YOU'RE ONE WAY WOULD, WOULD YOU WOULD HAVE ANGLED PARKING? IS THAT WHAT SO ISN'T THERE AN ORDINANCE OF EVENTS PARKING IN, IN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S DOWNTOWN OR ANYWHERE IN THE CITY THAT YOU HAVE TO BACK OUT OF ONTO A PUBLIC STREET? I'D HAVE TO LOOK.
I COULD TAKE WHO GUN ORDINANCES ON THAT OR NOT? IT USED TO BE PARKED THAT.
NO, IT USED TO BE ANGULAR PARKING DOWNTOWN A LONG TIME AGO.
BUT THERE'S PICTURES TO SHOW THAT IT WAS, THAT DIAGRAM OF COURSE WAS CHANGED THAT PROBABLY.
UM, SO LET, LET'S JUST GET BACK TO THE PROPOSED PROJECTS.
I THINK, I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT THAT'S A PRETTY IMPORTANT PROJECT THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT AND, AND PUT SOME WEIGHT TO.
BUT YOU KNOW, AS WE SEE CREATE CREATION OF A DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN, UM, CROSSWALK UPGRADES, DEDICATED POLICE OFFICERS AND, AND I THINK THESE ARE UM, MORE WANTS RATHER THAN DEFINITELY NEEDS THE UNDERGROUND TRASH RECEPTACLES.
YOU KNOW, WE LOOKED AT THAT, WE WERE LOOKING AT TRASH AND YOU KNOW, I WAS IN EUROPE.
I MEAN THEY'RE REALLY COOL BUT I DON'T THE COST OF THEM.
WELL THE WATER TABLE, THE WATER TABLE, THE WATER TABLE IS PART OF IT.
AND ALSO OUR SERVICE PROVIDER DOESN'T HAVE THE EQUIPMENT FOR THAT INVESTMENT.
THEY HAVE TO GET NEW TRUCKS AND THEY'RE GONNA, THIS STUFF PURPOSE IS GREAT.
THE DOWNTOWN SAND SYSTEM, WE HAVE LOOKED AT THAT AND WE'D STILL, YOU KNOW, WE JUST NEVER GOT A QUOTE FROM THOSE PEOPLE.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIND, SOMETIMES THEY GAVE US A QUOTE.
I'LL REACH BACK OUT A CHUNK ABOUT THAT.
UM, AND SO, UM, WE DID, WE TALKED TO A GROUP OUT OF, UH, ORLANDO WHO DID THE SOUND FOR DISNEY AND HAVE WORKED WITH BIG COMPANIES LIKE THAT.
AND WHEN WE SAY A SOUND SYSTEM, SO LET'S JUST SAY THAT, UM, THERE IS AN EMERGENCY, CITY HALL WOULD CONTROL IT AND THEY COULD SAY, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE OFF THE STREETS IMMEDIATELY.
OR YOU KNOW, THERE'S A HURRICANE COMING.
WE'RE URGING ALL CITIZENS TO TAKE COVER.
IT ALSO COULD BE USED IF THERE'S SOME EVENT DOWNTOWN.
IF YOU'RE ON MIDDLE STREET, YOU COULD HEAR WHAT'S GOING ON ON CRAVEN OR YOU COULD HEAR, YOU KNOW, AND IT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO DO THAT.
IT'S NOT JUST SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE CONSTANT MUSIC.
YOU COULD HAVE THAT FOR ANYBODY THAT'S GONNA GO TO, UM, GOLDSBORO FOR THE MAIN STREET CONFERENCE THIS YEAR.
UM, THEY HAVE PIPE, PIPE, YOU KNOW, MUSIC OR THEY HAVE SOUND SYSTEMS IN THEIR DOWNTOWN.
AND AGAIN, DURING THE LAST CONFERENCE WE WERE THERE, THEY WERE MAKING ANNOUNCEMENTS, YOU KNOW, NOW GETTING READY FOR THIS TALK AT SUCH AND SUCH A PLACE.
SO THAT'S THE KIND OF SOUND SYSTEM WE WERE LOOKING, WHICH MAY BE A GOOD BENEFIT.
UM, INSTALL PARKING AND PIER ALONG EAST FRONT STREET NEAR THE ROUNDABOUT.
I THINK THAT'S IN THE PROCESS.
ISN'T THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT PROJECT NOW? YES.
UM, FOSTER, CAN I JUST MENTION THAT THERE IS IN FACT A PUMP OUT AT THE MARINA THERE THAT IS CLOSE TO THE BROAD STREET RIGHT OF WAY THAT WHEN GEORGE OR WHOEVER WAS LOOKING AT THAT, THEY NEED TO BEAR THAT IN MIND.
UM, THERE ARE ONLY TWO PUMP OUTS IN NEWBURN.
THE OTHER ONE IS REALLY HARD TO GET TO OVER, UM, IN FRONT OF A DOUBLE TREE, WHICH THE, THE DOUBLE TREE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, BUT UM, THAT ONE'S KIND OF TUCKED BACK BY THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND HARD FOR THE BIGGER BOATS TO GET TO.
AND SO THAT JUST NEEDS TO BE ON THE RADAR.
OKAY, THANKS FOR SHARING THAT.
YEAH, IT'LL BE EFFICIENT HERE WHERE YOU CAN GO OUT AND FISH RATHER THAN ALL THE PEOPLE
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WALK.YOU'D BE ABLE TO GO OUT ON THE PIER AND FISH.
SO AT THE END OF BROAD, SO YOU'D COME HERE WHERE, UM, BROAD STREET RIGHT HERE, WHERE THIS IS WHERE THIS, IT WOULD CONTINUE, THE STREET WOULD CONTINUE TO THE WATER AND THEN APPEAR OUT FROM THERE SO THAT YOU COULD GO OUT AND FISH.
WELL I WOULD SAY
SO I'VE OFTEN THOUGHT WHY NOT TURN THAT INTO, IS THAT WHOSE PROPERTY? THAT'S THE COUNTY'S PROPERTY NOW, RIGHT? WELL THE CITY OWNS RIGHT AWAY.
I'M NOT, IT'S UNCLEAR TO ME WHY THE BROAD STREET RIGHT OF WAY WOULD BE PURPLE THERE INSTEAD OF WHITE LIKE ALL THE REST OF THE STREETS.
'CAUSE IT'S A STREET RIGHT OF ROAD JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE.
THAT'S ONE THING THAT WE LACK.
AND I THINK THERE'S, YOU MENTIONED SWANSBORO.
IF YOU GO TO SWANSBORO, EVERY ONE OF THEIR STREETS THAT GO TO THE WATER, HAVE A FISH IN PIER OR UM, OAK DOCKAGE OR, OR SOMETHING THEY EVEN KNOW CAN ACCESS THE WATER.
YOU GOT THE ONES THAT YOU NEED POINTS ON.
SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE A REALLY GREAT PROJECT FOR US.
UM, THE FARMER'S MARKET, OF COURSE WE RECEIVED 500 A MONTH.
6,000 A YEAR IN RENT FROM THE FARMER'S MARKET.
SO THAT MONEY DOES COME INTO MSD.
UM, SO WHEN IT SAYS UPGRADES, GARAGE DOORS, IF YOU LOOK OVER THERE, IT REALLY, REALLY NEEDS SOME UPGRADES.
SUPPOSED LIKE A TRUE BUSINESSMAN HERE, JOHN
BUT, UM, WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT DOING THAT.
I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT ASSET TO DOWNTOWN.
YOU KNOW, I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A PORTFOLIO AND I WOULD HATE TO SEE IT LEAVE, BUT, UM, IT, IT'S TIME THAT IT, IT WAS BUILT IN 1981, I BELIEVE.
AND, AND IT'S TIME TO DO A FEW UPGRADES.
SO THAT WOULD BE OUT OF SOME OF OUR FUNDS.
AND AGAIN, WE MAY, I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS WITH AN OPEN LINE.
IT'S A LOT OF MONEY WHEN YOU SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT IT, BUT IT COULD BE THAT WE CAN COMBINE SEVERAL PROJECTS, BORROW THE MONEY AND THEN PAY THE DEBT SERVICE SO WE CAN GET, THAT'S HOW WE GOT MORE BANG FOR OUR BUCK DOWNTOWN.
IF WE HAD A SAY IF WE HAD THE MONEY IN HERE, WE NEVER GOT IT DONE AND WE'RE SITTING ON A LOT OF CASH.
UM, FAR FORGET ABOUT THAT THOUGH.
I I NEED TO POINT YOU TO THE LEGISLATION THAT YOU'VE GOT IN HERE AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS, AND, AND NEWBURY'S GRAND, WE ARE GRANDFATHERED, BUT UM, PROBABLY 10 YEARS AGO THERE WERE A LOT OF COMMUNITIES COMPLAINING ABOUT THEIR MSDS AND THE MISUSE OF THE MSD FUNDS WITHIN THEIR CITIES.
SO THE STATE CAME IN AND REVISED THE MSD LEGISLATION TO SAY THAT AN OUTSIDE SOURCE, SUCH AS A MAIN STREET COMMUNITY, A SWISS BAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, CAN USE THE FUNDS CONTROL.
BUT THERE'S A PROCESS YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH.
IT'S AWARDED BY THE, THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN.
THEY HAVE TO MAKE AN ANNUAL REPORT.
BUT WHAT IT ALSO SAYS IS YOU HAVE TO SPEND THE MONEY.
YOU JUST CAN'T KEEP PUTTING MONEY IN THE BANK AND NOT SPEND THE MONEY.
WE WERE GRANDFATHERED BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN IN THIS FOR MANY YEARS, SO WE DID NOT HAVE TO ADHERE TO THAT POLICY.
BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE'RE SITTING ON $1.9 MILLION.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO SIT ON CASH AS MUCH CASH.
SO MAYBE WE CAN GET, YOU KNOW, FOUR OR FIVE PROJECTS DONE BY DEBT SERVICE AND STILL USING SOME OF THAT CASH TO TAKE CARE OF IT AND GET MORE BANG PROP UP.
SO JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
WE'LL TRY TO PICK THESE OUT, BUT, UM, THAT'S SOME OF THE STUFF WE SEE THAT WE'RE GONNA NEED TO ADDRESS THAT HASN'T BEEN ADDRESSED.
UM, THE SPIGOTS TO WATCH OFF YOUR BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN, AGAIN, IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF OUR AWNINGS, THEY LOOK REALLY BAD.
IT'S REALLY HARD TO GET WATER.
IF WE COULD, PEOPLE HAD A HOSE AND THEY COULD JUST ATTACH, THEY COULD AT LEAST CLEAN UP, CLEAN THE SIDEWALKS.
A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE COME AND MESS ON THE SIDEWALKS, DOGS MESS ON THE SIDEWALKS.
SO IT WOULD REALLY HELP A LOT OF THE BUSINESSES IF WE COULD CLEAN UP AND IF WE HAD SPIGOTS.
UM, IT'S NOT ON HERE, BUT I WOULD ALSO INCLUDE RE-LOOKING AT PUTTING, UM, ELECTRIC RECEPTACLES ON THE TREES SO WE CAN LIGHT THE TREES.
WHAT HAPPENED WAS WE PUT THE RECEPTACLES ON THE LIGHT, SO THEREFORE, AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY WE CAN WRAP THE POLES BECAUSE THERE'S RECEPTACLES TO PLUG THEM INTO.
THE BASE, THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN AT THE BASE OF THE TREE SO THAT WE COULD LIGHT THE TREE AND THAT WOULD BE BEAUTIFUL TO COME UP AND DOWN OUR STREETS.
UM, THEY'VE BEEN DOING BETTER SINCE WE PUT THAT RUBBER STUFF.
I, TRUST ME, I'M OUT THERE BLOWING THOSE LEAVES AND EVERYTHING EVERY MORNING.
SO WE HAD HARBORS TO EVALUATE THE TREES ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO.
UM, AND THEY, THEY HIGHLIGHTED SEVERAL TREES AND MOST OF
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THOSE HAVE COME DOWN.THEN OF COURSE, LAST, WELL LAST SPRING WE HAD A TREE COMING TO COME IN AND DID A LOT OF PRUNING ON ALL THE TREES AS WELL.
SO THE SEAL COVAS ARE A NICE STURDY TREE.
I'M NOT GONNA TELL YOU IT'S THE GREATEST STREET TREE.
UM, BUT WE'VE GOT WHAT WE'VE GOT.
AND, UM, IT MAY COME A TIME WHERE AS WE START REPLACING THESE TREES, WE START LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT TYPE OF TREE, BUT SOONER OR LATER THEY'RE ALL GONNA HAVE TO BE REPLACED.
BUT WE'RE, WE'RE MONITORING THAT ESPINA.
YOU MENTIONED PUTTING THAT RUBBER BY THE TREE.
HAS, HAS THAT BEEN DONE FOR ALL THE TREES TO HAVE 10? NOT EVERY ONE OF THEM HAVE BEEN DONE MAJORITY.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S, UM, I MEAN I, I THINK IT'S, IT'S MUCH SAFER
SO IT IS, AND, AND YOU'LL, THERE'S LIKE, THERE'S SEVERAL AREAS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA WHERE YOU SEE THE, THE, THE RINGS.
AND SO THOSE RINGS ARE CUT OUT AS THE TREE CONTINUES TO GROW.
BUT WHEN WE STARTED PUTTING THE RUBBER, THE RUBBER MATERIAL IN THERE, THAT DEFINITELY WAS MUCH MORE USER FRIENDLY.
BUT, SO THAT'S ON THE, THE PLAN FOR PUBLIC WORK.
PUBLIC WORKS MONITORS THAT AND THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR INSTALLMENT? YES, I ROOF, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY PUSHED THE SIDEWALK ON THE ROAD.
THERE'S SUBJECTS THAT IT, YOU KNOW HOW THE CURB COMES UP.
SO WE NEED TO CALL PUBLIC WORKS.
SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS ARE POPPED UP ALL OVER TOWN.
AND THEN OF COURSE WE SEE SECURITY CAMERAS TOO.
I DON'T KNOW THE LEGALITIES OF SOME OF THAT AND MEAN DO WE HAVE SECURITY ISSUES IN DOWNTOWN
WE'VE HAD ABOUT 30 CALLS FOR NOISE VIOLATIONS.
UM, SO IT'S BEEN VERY, VERY SMALL WITH THAT.
UH, NOW YOU MAY HEAR A LOT OF PEOPLE TALK ABOUT ALL THE BAD THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING DOWNTOWN, BUT IF IT'S HAPPENING PEOPLE AREN'T CALLING POLICE DEPARTMENT, POLICE ARE NOT RESPONDING TO THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
UM, ONE THING THAT THE CITY IS DOING, JUST SO YOU KNOW, IS WE ARE LOOKING AT PUTTING CAMERAS IN A VARIETY OF OUR PARKS.
THERE ARE ALSO CERTAIN CAMERAS ON CERTAIN STREETS TO HELP, LIKE WITH THE TRAIN AS IT COMES THROUGH FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, TO MONITOR THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND, AND CAMERAS DOWNTOWN HAVE, HAVE COME INTO PLAY ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS WHERE, UH, WHEN PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS WITH THE RECEIVED SAFETY ISSUES, WELL THAT COULD HELP IF, IF THERE ARE CAMERAS THAT IT'S NOT LIKE THESE CAMERAS WOULD BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC TO SEE, BUT ONLY MONITORED BY POLICE TO DISPATCH.
THERE WAS A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE TRASH RECEPTS IN THE INNER CORE MONITORING THAT AS WELL THEN? THAT'S CORRECT, YES.
AND, AND I'LL, I'LL BE THE FIRST ONE TO TELL YOU THAT.
UH, I WOULD REALLY LIKE FOR THE CITY TO BE OUT OF THE TRASH BUSINESS, UH, IN THAT AREA.
AS I CAN TELL YOU, MY PHONE RINGS EVERY SINGLE WEEK REGARDING AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
AND IT WOULD BE NICE FOR THAT TO BE ADDRESSED AS PART OF SUPPOSED, I KNOW YOU BEHIND THE HOUSE, BUT THEY'RE ENCLOSED.
LIKE YOU SEE WHEN YOU GO UP THERE, IT'S, WELL, WE DON'T SO BAD SHE THE VOLUME.
BUT THEN AGAIN, AND, AND I'VE WITNESSED IT, BUT IT'S WITNESSED IT.
WE DO SEE PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE A BUSINESS DRIVE THEIR CAR IN THERE AND THROW THEIR TRASH DOWN.
WE'RE DEALING WITH OUTSIDERS WHO ARE JUST TAKING ADVANTAGE OF, THEY DON'T WANT THE STICKERS, YOU KNOW, SO THEY COME, THEY PUT THEIR TRASH IN THE CAR AND DUMP IT IN THERE.
SO I, I'LL GIVE YOU A QUICK STORY ON THAT.
BACK IN THE DAY, OUR OLD OFFICE, UH, WE HAD A DUMPSTER IN THE BACK AND SOMEBODY WAS DOING THAT TO US ONE DAY.
BUD PARKER CLIMBING IN THERE, WENT THROUGH THE MAIL, FIGURED OUT WHOSE HOUSE IT WAS, WENT TO HIS HOUSE, RANG THE DOORBELL, GOT HANDS TO THE DOOR, HE SAID, I THINK YOU LEFT THIS IN HER OFFICE AND DROPPED IT ON THE TRUCK.
YEAH, JUST YOU HAVE THE CODE AND YOU HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S AN EASY WAY TO SOLVE IT AND PUT IT FOR RIGHT NOW.
I JUST HATE TO THINK THAT'S YOUR, YOUR VIEW.
AND I HATE THAT FOR THE MORTGAGE PEOPLE THAT ARE SITTING OUTSIDE AND MIGHT HAVE TO SMELL IT IN THE SUMMER BECAUSE I JUMPED US BACK UP TO NUMBER ONE ON THE LIST.
SO ON THE OTHER PROPOSED PROJECTS, I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH THEM.
COUPLE OF THINGS JUST, YOU KNOW, REPAINT THE LIGHT POSTS, WE NEED TO DO THAT BENCH DIVIDERS.
THAT'S, I THINK WE NEED TO CROSS OFF.
I OFF, I DON'T THE REDUCTION OF THE M MSS D DEBT SERVICE, I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT PROBABLY DECISION GETTING 1.5% ON OUR YES.
BUT JUST THE BENCH DIVIDERS, THAT'S TO KEEP THE HOMELESS PEOPLE FROM SLEEPING ON BENCHES.
IF YOU PUT A DIVIDER, THEY CAN'T SLEEP.
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SO THAT'S AGAIN, SOMETHING WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST, THE DOWNTOWN BANNERS.WE'VE ALWAYS PAID FOR THOSE, MAINTAINED THOSE, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE WILLING TO PAY FOR BANNERS TO CELEBRATE SOMETHING, WHICH IS A GOOD THING TOO.
SO, UM, WE HAVE SOME THAT NEED REPAIR TOO.
YEAH, WELL WE NEED A WHOLE, THOSE ONES ARE PRETTY OLD THAT WE HAD.
UM, THE END ONES SO WE PROBABLY MAY EVEN NEED WELL, BUT SOME ARE MISSING HOLES, I THINK IS WHAT YOU ONE ARM AND THE, I THINK WE CAN TAKE THE DOCKS OFF SINCE WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
I REALLY BELIEVE THAT THAT'S A FUNCTION OF, UH, PARKS AND
UM, WAS IT OVER RAILROAD TRACKS? YES.
SO THAT'S OVER THERE BY THE FARMER'S MARKET.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO GET TO THE PALACE, AT THE TIME WHEN ALL THAT WAS BEING CONSTRUCTED, WE, WE TALKED TO NORTH CAROLINA RAILROAD AND SAID, NO, YOU CAN'T DO IT.
IT'S A SAFETY HAZARD, BUT MICHAEL, THEY DON'T MEAN IT OVER.
YEAH, THEY MEAN REALLY JUST ACROSS, ACROSS THIS FLAT.
AND THEY SAID WE COULDN'T DO IT.
SO THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT IT BEEN LIKE OVER THE ONES ACROSS THE RIVER.
SO THEY, THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THE WALKWAY COMES ON THE SIDE OF THE FARMER'S MARKET, BUT YOU'RE STILL CROSSING THE RAILROAD TRACKS ON SOUTH FRONT STREET.
SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY SAID NO AT THAT POINT AT THE RIVER WE WERE TRYING TO CONTINUE A RIVER WALL.
THAT WAS GONNA PEOPLE ALL TIME WE GO ALL THE WAY UP TO THE ROAD AND THEN CONTINUE, YOU KNOW, MY GUESS ARE ALWAYS ASKING.
SO, SO WE CAN LOOK AT THAT MORE.
UM, IT WOULD, SO THE SAND MADISON POWDER COAT TRASH RECEPTACLES, THAT'S ALL PART OF REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE THAT WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT THAT.
TRASH PICK UP FOUR HOURS A DAY EVERY DAY FOR FOUR HOURS.
SOME, SOMEONE HAD MADE A REQUEST DURING ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS THAT, THAT SOMEONE WAS DOWN HERE PICKING UP TRASH DAILY.
NOW THE CANS ARE, ARE EMPTY AT LEAST EVERY OTHER DAY AND ON WEEKENDS AS WELL.
BUT, SO WE HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN AN ISSUE WITH, WITH AN OVERALL ISSUE WITH TRASH UNLESS THERE'S BEEN A BIG SPECIAL EVENT THAT OCCURRED THAT THAT, UM, PUBLIC COURT MAY NOT BEEN AWARE OF.
SO THAT, THAT HAS BEEN AN ISSUE.
UNION POINT PARK BENCHING, AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S A FUNCTION OF, OF CAR RECREATION.
WHAT IS THAT? STOP BASICALLY STOP BARS AND A STOPLIGHT.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT, THAT THAT IS A, A CITY FUNCTION.
DOES THAT BE ANY PARKING SPACES TOO? YES.
PICKLE BAR CARS IS PARK AND REC.
UM, I ACTUALLY DID WALK THE, THE MSD YESTERDAY JUST TO GET AN IDEA.
THERE'S ONLY TWO SECTIONS WITHIN THE MSD THAT YOU HAVEN'T COMPLETED THE SIDEWALKS AND IT IS THE 200 BLOCK P*****K AND THE, UM, 300 BLOCK OF HANCOCK STREET.
EVERYTHING ELSE HAS THE THE NEWER SIDEWALKS.
THEY'RE STILL LIKE CONCRETE SIDEWALKS.
'CAUSE THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL PLAN THAT THAT WAS NOT CONSIDERED THE INNER CORE AT THE TIME.
THAT JUST LIKE HANCOCK WAS NOT PART, THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO BLOCKS THAT ARE STILL LEFT THAT ARE FALL WITHIN THE MSD THAT SHOWN HAVE THE THE OTHER TYPE OF YEAH.
OR I KNOW IN HANCOCK YOU'VE GOT THE PEBBLE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE STREET.
SO THAT WOULD BE WHY, WHY DON'T WE HAVE ALL OF THE STREETS IN THE MSD LOOK THE SAME? WELL ADD THAT, IT IT ON THAT BUSINESS, THE 100 BLOCK OF POP DOES NOT HAVE THE PAVER AND STUFF EITHER.
AGAIN, THAT WAS ALL OUTSIDE OF THE RIGHT.
WELL I WAS GONNA SAY THEN EAST FRONT AND BROAD STREET ALSO DON'T, NONE OF THEM DO.
BUT IT'S JUST LIKE IF YOU STOP AT THE END OF P*****K STREET AND RIGHT AT THE CORNER THERE, PEACOCK PLUM LOOKED SO NICE AND THEN HE COME DOWN MY SIDE.
BUT THAT'S WHERE THAT CAME FROM.
IT WAS, IT'S LIKE WHY IT STOP THERE? RIGHT.
UM, AGAIN, THAT WAS BECAUSE IT WAS THE ORIGINAL PLAN AND WE JUST TOOK THE ORIGINAL PLAN.
IT WAS DONE BY SWISS FAIR IN 2000.
UM, AND JUST WENT WITH THAT TO THE PLAN, NEVER REVISITED IT.
SO I YOU'RE NOT BEING SLIGHTED THAT BLOCK WAS NOT SLIGHTED
AND YOU SPENT, AND MSD PAID WAS $50,000 I BELIEVE AT THE TIME.
IN 2000 IT WAS $50,000 TO DO THAT.
AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS BY THE TIME WE GOT TO IT, WHICH WE DID, WAS OUTDATED IN A SENSE.
BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T MIND A PLAN, BUT I'D RATHER DO A PLAN FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING
BUT YOU KNOW, PART OF THAT MASTER PLAN, IT CAN PROBABLY STILL BE USED.
YOU KNOW, REEVALUATING THAT THAT PLAN RATHER THAN HIRING WE CAN DO.
AND THEN THE DIGITAL WAY FINDING, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT AND UM, ESPECIALLY IN BEAR PLAZA AND WHAT IT WOULD BE WOULD BE A SIGN THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE HERE, THIS IS HOW YOU GET TO HERE, THIS IS HOW YOU GET TO BAYER.
BUT IN A DIGITAL TYPE FORM WHERE IT CAN BE UPDATED AND CHANGED, I KNOW YOU'RE
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LOOKING AT THOSE.AND, AND SO WHAT I UPDATE THE CITY HAS RECENTLY APPLIED FOR SOME GRANTS FOR SOME DIGITAL SIGNAGE, UH, DOWNTOWN.
SO HOPEFULLY WE WILL, WE'LL GET A P REVIEW ON THAT SOON.
KIND OF LIKE YOU MIGHT SEE IN AN AIRPORT WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE JUST A LIT TOUCH SCREEN, WHATEVER IS, IS WHAT HAD BEEN DISCUSSED AT ONE POINT.
AND, AND THE ONE WE'VE LOOKED AT WOULD, WOULD BASICALLY HAVE A, A LAYOUT WHERE ALL THE BUSINESSES WERE IN TOWN.
UH, AND YOU'D ALSO BE INTERACTIVE WHERE IF YOU WANTED TO FIND OUT WHERE YOU WERE AND WHERE, WHERE A CERTAIN RESTAURANT WAS, IT WOULD HELP YOU ROUTE ROUTE THERE ACCORDINGLY.
BUT IT WOULD LINK TO A CALENDAR OF SPECIAL EVENTS AND ACTIVITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT DOWNTOWN AS WELL.
SO, AND ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, JUST TO THROW ANOTHER ONE ON THERE, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE DIGITAL WAY FINDING NOWADAYS IT'S EASY TO CREATE AN APP AND YOU COULD HAVE THE, WHAT THE QR CODES OR WHATEVER THAT PHONE THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE DOWNLOAD THE APP AND, AND YOU HAVE ALL THAT RIGHT ON YOUR PHONE.
AND DIDN'T WE HAVE A NEIGHBOR APP THAT WAS CREATED SEVERAL YEARS AGO? IT WAS, BUT HE STOPPED WORKING ON IT.
I SUPPOSE I, AS FAR AS I KNOW, IT MIGHT STILL BE FOR SALEABLE.
SO WE CAN PICK UP FROM THAT ONE.
BUT YEAH, SWISS BAY WAS WORKING WITH HIM.
I THOUGHT THE APP COULD BE APP, IT KIND OF FELL SHORT.
IT WAS ABOUT 2016 HE WAS RIGHT.
SO THE TDA MAY ALSO BE WORKING ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT AS WELL.
I MEAN I'M, I'M ALL FINE WITH THE DIGITAL WEIGHT FINDING CONCEPT, LIKE A KIOSK CONCEPT, BUT THE TRUTH IS NOW EVERYBODY'S GOT A SMARTPHONE.
AND IF YOU JUST HAD THE QR CODES, YOU DON'T NEED TO BUILD THE, BUT WE STILL HAVE A, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, A PERCENTAGE OF OUR POPULATION THAT IS OLDER STILL AND THEY HAVE A FIT.
THAT'S, I GET MORE COMPLAINTS FROM PEOPLE ABOUT THE PARKING LOT BECAUSE IT, IT'S DIGITAL.
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS REALLY HOLD YOUR PHONE TO THE QR AND YOU CAN HELP PAY FOR IT AND DO ALL THAT, BUT THEY CAN'T DEAL WITH THAT
SO THE MAJORITY OF MY GUESTS TEND TO BE, UM, IN A RETIREMENT AGE TECHNOLOGICALLY CHALLENGE.
SO THEY'RE A MORE TECHNOLOGICAL CHALLENGE.
UM, BUT YOU, I'M ON YOUR WEBSITE AND I CAN'T GET IT TO WORK.
AND IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, WELL, I'LL BE, CAN I HELP YOU WITH THAT? YEAH.
SO I, I AGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS STILL A NEED FOR SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN TOUCH IN THESE VISUAL.
SO WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO, BUT A LOT OF ALL THIS IS GOOD WORK AND, AND WE'RE IN COMBINATION WORKING WITH SWISS BAY, THE DOWNTOWN COUNCIL, UM, THE CITY.
SO THIS IS JUST ALL, CAN I JUST ASK A COUPLE OF HISTORICAL QUESTIONS SINCE YOU'VE GOT ALL THIS KNOWLEDGE THERE AND WHATNOT? UM, BECAUSE I KNOW THE MAP THAT'S ON THE WEBSITE CURRENTLY ON THE CITY SITE IS, LOOKS LIKE IT'S FROM 86.
SO THIS IS A MORE CURRENT ONE THAT 2014.
SO WHAT WERE THE MAIN CHANGES FROM THIS OTHER MAP THAT JUST, I'M JUST CURIOUS.
SO THE ORIGINAL, THE ORIGINAL DISTRICT, UM, WAS, LET SEE, SOUTH FRONT STREET, IT WAS JUST A SQUARE.
AND SO THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL DISTRICT AND IT DID NOT INCLUDE ANY RESIDENCE.
SO ALL THE RESIDENTS THAT WERE ON BRA, SEE AT THE TIME, UM, LIKE, UM, NORMAN KELLEN'S OFFICE WAS A RESIDENCE.
AND THEN WHEN THEY REVIEWED IT, UM, UH, 2008 I THINK IS WHEN THEY CHANGED AND MADE EVERYTHING INCLUSIVE.
THAT WAS MY QUESTION BECAUSE YOU LOOK AT THAT, THE HISTORY THERE AND I'M LIKE, WELL WAIT A MINUTE.
AND THAT WAS THE MSD AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS PEOPLE WERE SELLING THESE HOMES AND PEOPLE WERE PUTTING DVS IN 'EM AND THEY WERE PUTTING LITTLE SHOPS IN THEM AND, AND YOU KNOW, AN ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WENT IN THERE.
SO REALLY THEY WERE IN ESSENCE COMMERCIAL SPACES.
SO INSTEAD OF EXEMPTING ANYBODY, BECAUSE EVERYBODY WAS GETTING THE BENEFIT OF THE TAX INCREASE OF THE, UH, TAX VALUE.
THIS IS THE FOOTPRINT FROM HERE TO HERE.
IF YOU ARE WITHIN IT, REGARDLESS, YOU'RE, YOU'RE A TAXPAYER, YOU'RE AN NSD TAXPAYER.
HOW DOES THE CONDOMINIUMS WORK? THEY PAY THE SAME THING.
SO IS IT THE INDIVIDUALS THAT OWN THE CONDOMINIUM? CORRECT.
SO THEY'RE THE ONES THAT PAY THE TAX THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN HAS THERE BEEN ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OF EXTENDING THE MSD? NO, IT'S NOT, WE HAVE TRIED, UM, TO LOOK AT OTHER MS DS SUCH AS FIVE POINTS IN THAT AREA.
MOST PEOPLE JUST DON'T WANNA BE BOTHERED WITH PAYING ANOTHER TAX BECAUSE THAT WAS MY ONE THOUGHT IS OBVIOUSLY YES, A LOT HAPPENING WITH THE FIVE POINTS AREA.
IT'D BE REALLY NICE TO HAVE THEM MORE INCLUDED IN THIS TO CONTINUE.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS WILLING TO DO THAT.
AND I GUESS AT THE TIME, DOWNTOWN WAS DECLINING SO BAD, RIGHT? THAT THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS THE SAVIOR IN THAT SENSE.
AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS WERE WILLING TO PUT THEIR OWN FUNDS IN THERE TO TRY TO GET SOME THINGS DONE
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TO ENHANCE DOWNTOWN TO KEEP US OLD.SO THAT'S REALLY HOW THIS ALL STARTED.
IT'S A TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX OF MAIN STREETS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
I THINK IT WOULD PROVE A LOT AND HELP FIVE POINTS A LOT, BUT AT THIS POINT I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY WILLING TO DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND I, I'LL TELL YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST WE ALWAYS KEPT OUR MEETINGS TO ONE HOUR BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S REALLY BUSY AND THIS IS UNUSUAL TODAY, BUT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET UP TO SPEED.
SO THE NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA IS DISCUSS ESTABLISHING A MEETING ROSTER.
WE MET QUARTERLY AND BASICALLY LIKE FEBRUARY, APRIL WE TRIED TO STAY AWAY FROM THE SUMMER MONTHS, COME BACK IN AUGUST AND THEN ONE IN OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, SOMEWHERE LIKE THAT.
IS THAT STILL AMENABLE TO EVERYBODY SO THAT IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT MEETING EVERY MONTH OR JUST ONCE A QUARTER.
IS THAT GOOD? I THINK TO BE REALISTIC, WE MIGHT HAVE TO MEET MORE THAN ONCE A QUARTER THIS FIRST YEAR.
I THINK WE, I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS ALMOST HAVE A FULL, YOU KNOW, A FULL WORKSHOP OR SOMETHING AND TRY TO, AND IT MAY BE THAT YOUR HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENT COMING BACK TO THE NEXT MEETING IS GIVE ME YOUR TOP TWO AT THIS POINT.
I THINK WE JUST NEED TO PICK TWO PROJECTS AT THIS TIME.
THAT WOULD BE BIG ONES OR SOMETHING YOU SEE.
AND THEN THE THINGS LIKE, UM, REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE, LET'S SAY PAINTING THOSE STUFF, THINGS LIKE THAT.
I THINK THAT MIGHT BE IN A MINOR CATEGORY VERSUS A MAJOR CATEGORY.
AND THEN WE CAN JUST COME BACK.
IS THAT, THAT'S THAT REASONABLE TO EVERYBODY BECAUSE WE REALLY, I DON'T WANNA KEEP KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.
WELL AND YOU SUGGESTED EARLIER THAT WORK SESSION MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE INNER CORE.
AND YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA START SPREADING OUT MAPS AND DRAWINGS AND STUFF, THAT, THAT'S GONNA TAKE SOME TIME AND WE MIGHT EVEN WANNA WALK DOWN THERE AND LOOK AT IT.
AND SO MAYBE A WORK SESSION IN BETWEEN THE MEETINGS SO WE CAN GET FAMILIAR AND GET SOME IDEAS.
DIGEST 'EM AND THEN HAVE A FORMAL MEETING.
SO IF WE CAME BACK, LET'S SAY IN A MONTH, YOU KNOW, NEXT MONTH, UM, IF WE CAME BACK AND FOR THE SPECIFIC PURPOSE OF UM, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE INNER CORE IN THAT PROJECT, THE REASON I'M ASKING ABOUT A MEETING SCHEDULE, BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO BE OFFICIAL, WE HAVE TO OFFICIALLY PUBLISH WHAT OUR MEETING SCHEDULE IS.
SO IF WE ARE GONNA SAY THAT WE'RE QUARTERLY AND THIS IS WHAT OUR MEETING SCHEDULE IS THESE MONTHS, THAT'S FINE.
THEN IT GOES UP ON THE, ON THE DOCKET AND WE CAN SAY, THESE ARE OUR MEETINGS.
IT'S THE SECOND TUESDAY OR MONDAY, I DON'T CARE WHATEVER DAY WE PICK.
UM, AND THAT IT'S AT THIS TIME.
AND THEN ANYTHING ELSE WOULD BE A SPECIAL CALL.
AND WE CAN CALL THAT AT ANY TIME.
EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT? I THINK THAT SOUNDS OKAY.
LET'S TAKE ONE THING AT A TIME.
LET'S, LET'S JUST GO AHEAD AND SET THE OFFICIAL DATES.
I THINK THAT'LL MAKE IT EASY WHEN COME BACK AND, AND CHOOSE MY REQUEST WOULD BE EARLIER IN THE WEEK IS BETTER FOR ME.
WE'RE TYPICALLY CLOSED SUNDAYS, SO MONDAY BECOMES AN EASIER DAY TO MEET AT OR IF IT'S NOT GONNA BE ON A MONDAY.
UM, ALSO, UH, THIS TIME IS A GOOD ONE FOR ME BECAUSE I'M DOING BREAKFAST AND THEN I'M CHECKING IN YES.
SO ANYTIME BETWEEN 11 AND TWO WORKS REALLY WELL FOR ME.
THAT'S TYPICALLY WHEN WE HAD ALWAYS MET MSD MET BEFORE IS DURING OUR LUNCH HOUR IN ESSENCE.
AND SOMETIMES WE WOULD BRING FOOD AND SOMETIMES WE WOULD.
I ALWAYS, AND SO AS YOU'RE CONSIDERING THIS, WE DID RECEIVE A FEW CALLS FROM, FROM SOME CITIZENS THAT LIVE WITHIN THE M MSS D ASKING IF THE, ANY OF THE MEETINGS WOULD BE HELD AFTER 5:00 PM SO THAT'S SOMETHING FOR YOU TO CONSIDER ALSO.
THAT'S REALLY HARD FOR AFTER HOURS.
WELL I'M CHECKING IN GUESTS AND MY MINE'S KIND OF THE OPPOSITE.
YOUR SCHEDULE FIVE TO START, BUT I'M FLEXIBLE.
I CAN DO, I WOULD ALMOST SAY LIKE THE LAST MONDAY OF THE MONTH.
WHAT ABOUT EARLY MORNING MEETINGS OF LIKE 7:00 AM WOULD ANYBODY ON SICK BREAKFAST NIGHT? AND I DON'T, I MEAN I CAN ADJUST MY SCHEDULE.
I'M JUST THINKING OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE AROUND ME WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME AND THIS IT IS JUST DAYTIME IS NOT GOOD FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE DOWNTOWN, LIKE TO ATTEND.
THEY'LL, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GET MINUTES AND UNDERSTAND THEY WILL.
AND ALSO ALL OF THESE MEETINGS WILL BE RECORDED AS WELL SO PEOPLE CAN WATCH IT BACK.
IT'LL BE ON CITY THREE TV AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
MONDAY, TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY ARE GOOD DAYS FOR ME.
SO, SO WE'RE SAYING THE LAST MONDAY THE MONTH OR THE FOURTH? MONDAY.
I WILL POINT OUT THAT MONDAYS ARE, WE'RE IN HOLIDAYS ARE OFTEN CELEBRATED.
MR. OH, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT THAT DOESN'T
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WORK.WE JUST NEED TO BE PREPARED THAT LIKE, I THINK ONE OF THOSE DAYS BE MEMORIAL DAY.
IT BE CRAZY FOR US, US TO MEET ON A FOURTH TUESDAY.
WELL MORNING, WE'RE GONNA BE ON MONDAY IN MARCH.
SO CAN WE DO THE THIRD, CAN WE DO THE THIRD TUESDAY? TUESDAYS ARE USUALLY BECAUSE I'M, I'M TRYING TO STAY AWAY FROM THE FOURTH BECAUSE THAT'S AN ALMAN MEETING DAY STAFF.
THEY'RE BUSY TRYING TO PREPARE FOR THE MEETING.
SO, UM, WHAT ABOUT LIKE THE THIRD TUESDAYS WORK? YEAH, THE THIRD TUESDAY.
THIRD TUESDAY, EXCUSE ME, WOULD BE, SO FEBRUARY THE 20TH AND MARCH THEN IT WOULD BE APRIL.
THAT WOULD BE APRIL THE 16TH AND THEN JUNE.
SO 12TH? NO, THAT WE WOULD BE OFF JUNE, JULY.
SO NO, WE'D BE OFF JUNE AND JULY.
'CAUSE MOST PEOPLE ARE OKAY, SO AUGUST.
AUGUST IT WOULD BE, AUGUST WOULD BE THE NEXT MEETING.
SO MAY 21ST? NO, NO, WE HAVE FEBRUARY, APRIL, AND THEN IT WOULD BE AUGUST 20TH AND THEN OCTOBER.
SO THAT WOULD BE YOUR FOUR MEETINGS AND OCTOBER.
OCTOBER 15TH, RIGHT AFTER COMCAST.
SO WHAT WILL YOU BE ABLE TO, FOR SOME REASON, UH, HAVE TO BE OUTTA TOWN OR SOMETHING TO BE ABLE TO LIKE ZOOM IN OR SKYPE IN OR UH, ALL CALL YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO VOTE.
WE COULD DO OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER.
YOU'RE GETTING CLOSE TO, THAN YOU'RE GETTING CLOSE TO THANKSGIVING ON THE THIRD.
THIS IS THE WEEK OF PRIOR TO THANKSGIVING.
BUT I MEAN, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I GET IT ON THE RIGHT DATE.
AND, AND LOOK, THIS IS NOT IN STONE, BUT AT LEAST WE'VE GOT SOMETHING WE CAN PUBLISH AND PUT OUT THERE.
YOU KNOW, AND IF YOU WANT TO, SINCE TODAY IS THE 29TH AND WE PROBABLY WANNA MEET AGAIN IN FEBRUARY.
WE COULD ALSO MAKE IT GO MARCH AND MAY IF YOU'D RATHER DO THAT AND SCHEDULE A, A MEETING IN MARCH.
SO INSTEAD OF, YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? YOU SEE WHAT I'M, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY HAVE TO MEET, WE SAID WE WANT TO COME BACK NEXT MONTH ANYWAY, RIGHT? TO HAVE A, LIKE A WORK, A WORK SESSION.
SO FEBRUARY WOULD BE WORK SESSION.
THEN YOU'RE SAYING OUR OFFICIAL MEETING WOULD BE MARCH THAT WE FALL THE SAME, THE 20TH, RIGHT? NO, IT THE 19TH.
SO WHEN? FEBRUARY 19TH? YEAH, FEBRUARY 20TH WOULD BE OUR WORK WORK SESSION.
SO MARCH 19TH WOULD BE A MEETING AND THEN WE'LL MAKE MAY WE'LL SKIP APRIL SO WE DON'T HAVE HIM BACK TO BACK.
AND IT WOULD BE APRIL THE 16TH? NO, MAY 16TH.
WHAT WAS THE MARCH DATE? 19TH.
SO THEN IT'S MARCH, MAY, AUGUST AND OCTOBER.
IS EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT? SO LET'S JUST RUN DOWN MARCH 19TH.
EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT? SO, SO, SO ONE COMMENT BEFORE YOU VOTE.
IF THERE ARE ANY ISSUES IN MARCH, APRIL, MAY, WE'LL COME BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING AND LET YOU KNOW, MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS.
OKAY, NOW MR. TIME, ARE WE ALL GOOD AT 12 O'CLOCK? 12, 1, 12, 1.
OKAY, SO NOW I NEED A MOTION TO UM, SET THE MEETING DATES AS WE SPOKE AND THE TIMES I NEED THAT TO BE AN OFFICIAL MODE MOTION.
I MOVE, WE ACCEPT THE MEETINGS AS PROPOSED.
I SECOND AND THE TIME BY THE TIME MEETING AND THE TIME AS PROPOSED.
ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, GREAT.
SO WHEN WE COME BACK, UM, WE'LL, WE'LL SEND OUT A NOTICE AND WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA SEND OR LOOK AT THESE PROPOSED LISTS INSTEAD OF ME SENDING IT OUT.
NOW THAT YOU'VE GOT IT, THIS PROPOSED LIST, PICK OUT OF HERE WHAT YOU THINK YOUR TWO HIGHEST ONES YOU WANT DO.
AND IF YOU'LL SEND, YOU KNOW, SEND THEM BACK TO ME.
IS THAT OKAY? OR YOU WANT TO SEND THEM TO YOU? I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT YOU'RE YOU'RE THE CHAMBER.
SO EVERYBODY HAS THE SAME EMAIL, EMAIL CHAIN, HAVE EVERYBODY'S EMAIL AND WHATNOT.
I DON'T THINK I, I SHOULD HAVE IT FROM THE CITY.
I GUESS IF WE WERE ON THE EMAIL CHAIN, IT WAS ON THE, OKAY.
UM, AND I'LL JUST REMIND YOU OF
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THIS LIST OR I'LL ATTACH IT AGAIN.MAYBE THAT'LL BE THE BEST THING.
I CAN ATTACH IT AGAIN, SEND IT TO EVERYBODY AND THEN ASK YOU TO BE THINKING ABOUT IT.
COME BACK TO ME SO THAT WE CAN BE PREPARED.
AND IF MOST OF US AGREE ABOUT THE INNER CORE, THEN AT LEAST I'LL HAVE ALL THE DRAWINGS.
WE'LL HAVE ALL OF THAT IN HERE.
UH, WE WOULD STILL BE HERE AND IF WE NEED TO, WE CAN WALK, YOU KNOW, A BLOCK OVER WITH THOSE DRAWINGS IN YOUR CORE PARKING LOT.
DOES IT SHOW WHO OWNS WHAT BACK THERE? I I THINK THAT WAS VAGUE ON, THAT WAS VAGUE, BUT I HAVE A LIST OF ALL THE PROPERTY ON, I DID HAVE A LIST NOW IT MAY HAVE CHANGED.
SOME OF THOSE CONDOS HAVE CHANGED.
NOT ONE WE HAD IN THAT PARKING COMMITTEE, WHATEVER THAT WAS A FEW YEARS AGO.
BUT EVEN IN THE MIDDLE IS NOT OWNED BY ANY, ANYBODY.
WELL IT, EVERYTHING IS OWNED EXCEPT THE STRAIGHT BACK AS YOU SEE ON THAT MAP.
YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE IS BACK? THERE ARE LITTLE, LITTLE, UH, METAL LITTLE DIVOTS IN THE PAVE IN THE, THERE YOU GO.
AND SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO OWN BACK THERE HAVE SAID, LET ME SHOW YOU WHERE MY PROPERTY LINE IS.
AND THEY TAKE ME RIGHT TO THOSE LITTLE DOTS AND THEY'RE ALL OVER BACK THERE.
THEY'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF PARKING SPACES.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALL PLACE BACK THERE.
SO THEY KNOW WHERE THEIR PROPERTY LINES ARE.
THAT THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW SURVEYS ARE MINE THAT SO WELL THEY'RE LOOKING AT THOSE LITTLE METAL TABS AND SAYING THIS IS MINE.
SO, AND YOU KNOW, WE CAN THINK AND WE CAN DESIGN AND WE CAN GIVE IT TO THE ALDERMAN THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE WILL AND DETERMINATION BECAUSE THEY GET, THEY GET THE GR BELIEVE ME, THEY, SO THEY HAVE, THEY CAN SEE AND TAKE THAT PROPERTY.
THEY COULD, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT A FUN THING.
THAT'S, I'M NOT OF THAT A DOMAIN, BUT ONE OF SEVEN, I GUARANTEE SIX OTHERS ARE SCREAMING AWAY FROM ANY DISCUSSION.
THERE COULD BE A WAY WHERE THEY COULD GIVE AN EASEMENT AND IT COULD BE THAT EVERYBODY WOULD GIVE AN EASEMENT AND WE SAY, OKAY, IT'S ALL PARKING AND YOU'RE ALLOWING EVERYBODY TO CROSS YOUR PARK PROPERTY OR WHATEVER.
I THINK MOST PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING A PARKING SPACE.
I COULD POINT OUT A REALITY TO THE PEOPLE ON THIS COMMITTEE.
MSD LIVES WITHIN ONE DISTRICT.
AND DISTRICT ONE, WHICH RICK IS THE ALDERMAN FOR THE OTHER ALDERMAN BY AND LARGE COULD CARE LESS BECAUSE THEY DON'T GET TO SPEND IT ON THEIR DISTRICT.
AND TO BE A LITTLE CYNICAL, SOME OF 'EM DON'T SEEM TO COMPREHEND THAT WHAT'S GOOD FOR ONE ISN'T GOOD FOR ALL THAT ASIDE, THEY ARE NOT GONNA WANT TO GET INTO EMINENT DOMAIN BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A DOG IN A FIGHT IF YOU ASK THEM, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO PEOPLE? DOES YES.
AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER OPTION WOULD BE TO BUY THE PROPERTY.
AND IF WE DID EMINENT DOMAIN, WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY THE MARKET.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PAY ANYONE HALF NOW.
UM, YOU KNOW, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WANT TO DO? IS WOULD THEY WANNA SELL A PROPERTY? NOT 'CAUSE IT'S THEIR PARKING TO THEIR PROPERTY.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS NOT GONNA BE EASY, BUT I THINK IT'S PROBABLY IT WILL MAKE THE BIGGEST IMPACT ON OUR DOWNTOWN AND THE CONTINUED GROWTH OF DOWNTOWN.
AND I'M NOT POSITIVE, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WHEN BILLY FAULKENBERRY LOOKED AT THIS, HE HAD A LAYOUT AND THERE AND, AND I THINK THE CONCEPT WAS THAT PEOPLE WOULD ENTER INTO EASEMENT AGREEMENTS AND WOULD HAVE A SIGN PARKING, ET CETERA.
SO THAT THEY WOULDN'T REALLY BE LOSING FOR BIDDING.
BUT IT WOULD BE FOR THE GREATER GOOD.
ANYTHING I REMEMBER OUT OF THAT WAS THERE'S ONLY COULD BE LIKE FOR TABLETS, IT'S ONLY BE LIKE EIGHT PARKING SPOTS AFTER WE BUILT THIS MAN OF THING AND JUST DIDN'T MAKE SENSE.
I IMAGINE THE THING NOT GONNA BE OKAY.
WELL SABRINA, THERE'S ONE OTHER THING IF I MAY.
UM, ONE OTHER PROJECT TO JUST CONSIDER.
THIS SCULPTURE HAS BEEN READY FOR FIVE YEARS FOR US TO PLACE SOMEWHERE.
I KNOW IT'S A SMALL LITTLE PROJECT, BUT THIS NEEDS THIS, THIS SCULPTURE NEEDS TO GO SOMEWHERE WITHIN OUR DISTRICT.
SO PLEASE THINK ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO, WHERE WE CAN PUT THIS SCULPTURE THAT WAS SLATED.
THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THAT WAS SLATED TO GO AT THE BEGINNING OF THE WALKWAY FROM CRAVEN STREET TO MIDDLE TO MIDDLE STREET AND HAD A PLACE.
SO IT HAS BEEN DESIGNED INTO THE FOOTPRINT BECAUSE IT WAS CLOSE TO MITCHELL'S.
THEY FELT IT WAS APPROPRIATE THAT IT WOULD BE THERE.
YOU KNOW, UM, IT'S BEEN FIVE YEARS.
KEEP THAT PICTURE AS A EXHIBIT FOR WHEN WE HAVE THE WORK SESSION BECAUSE THAT'S IT.
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YES, THAT'S EXACTLY KEEP THIS IN YOUR MIND.BETTER ADVOCATE FIVE YEARS TODAY THAN GREG.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE GOOD OF THE ORDER? THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR CONFIDENCE IN ME AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
WE'VE GOT LOTS OF GOOD WORK AHEAD OF US.
UM, IT'S ALL GONNA BE MONEY WELL SPENT, I PROMISE YOU.
I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING THAT'S NOT WELL SPENT IN THE LAST 40 YEARS.
YOU NEED MOTION TO CLOSE? YES, PLEASE.
ALRIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? THANK YOU EVERYBODY.