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OKAY.[I. CALL TO ORDER]
ALL RIGHT.I CALLED TO ORDER THE FEBRUARY 15TH MEETING OF THE CITY OF NEW BERN PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.
UM, KENDRICK, CAN I GET A ROLL CALL? YES, SIR.
BOARD MEMBER MARSHALL, MR. BALLER, MARSHALL THIS OR CALL? OKAY.
AND BOARD MEMBER MR. UH, ILUSO HERE.
BOARD MEMBER MARGIE DUNN HERE.
ALRIGHT, WILL EVERYBODY STAND AND, UH, FOLLOW ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE FOR OUR COUNTRY? I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS? ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[IV. CHAIRMAN’S REMARKS]
SO I DON'T ALWAYS USE THIS, BUT I'M GONNA USE THIS TONIGHT.MY, UH, ITEM NUMBER FOUR, CHAIRMAN'S REMARKS.
I'M GONNA BE HERE FOR A MINUTE.
UM, BUT BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR INTO THAT, I WANT TO WELCOME OUR LATEST MEMBER, UH, MR. THOMAS BROWNELL.
UM, THANKS FOR FOR SIGNING UP AND BEING A PART OF THIS GROUP.
UM, CAN YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND TELL US WHY YOU WERE SURE.
I'M ORIGINALLY FROM MORGAN ISLAND, NEW YORK, AND I RETIRED FROM THE ELECTRICAL, UH, UNION.
UH, I'VE SAT ON A ZONING BOARD FOR ABOUT FOUR YEARS ON LONG ISLAND BEFORE COMING UP HERE, AND I THINK I WILL BE AN ASSET TO THIS CITY.
WELL, THANKS FOR, THANKS FOR BEING A PARK.
I'VE GOT A COUPLE THINGS I WANNA COVER.
UM, FIRST OFF, WE, UH, I'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS THIS WEEK ON A PARKING COMMITTEE, BUT WHILE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT, SOMETHING CAME UP THAT I'D LIKE TO, TO TALK TO THE BOARD ABOUT AND ASKED FOR THEIR FEEDBACK ON, UM, IT, IT, UH, IT CAME UP THAT OUR BOARD, LIKE MANY OTHER BOARDS IN THE CITY, UM, DOES NOT HAVE A SET OF RULES AND PROCEDURES.
UM, AND I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A SET OF RULES AND PROCEDURES SO THAT A NEW CHAIR OR A NEW MEMBER, UM, KNOWS AND UNDERSTANDS THE EXPECTATIONS OF THEM, HOW THE MEETING'S GONNA RUN, UM, WHERE TO FIND INFORMATION, THAT KIND OF STUFF.
UM, AND LINKING TO THAT, THE, UM, STAFF ASKED ME TO GET THE BOARD TO GIVE HIM DIRECTION.
UM, AND SO THAT WOULD BE CALLED OUT IN THE RULES AND PROCEDURES.
SO IF ANYBODY HAS ANY OBJECTIONS, I OPEN TO THE FLOOR ABOUT, UM, ESTABLISHING SOME RULES AND PROCEDURES.
STAFF SAID THERE'S SOME EXCELLENT EXAMPLES FROM OTHER SISTER CITIES THAT WE COULD JUST ADOPT AND KIND OF FINAGLE MANEUVER.
UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO GIVING STAFF REP RECOMMENDATION? NO, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA FOR THAT.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE GONNA WHERE, WHO WOULD, SO STAFF WOULD PUT THAT TOGETHER FOR US, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
UH, SO, SO DIRECTLY DOES THAT WORK? YES.
FOR THAT ONE, THAT WORK OUT JUST FINE? WE WILL, I'LL TRY TO SEE IF I CAN HAVE THAT PREPARED BY THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, OKAY, NEXT THING, UM, SOME I, I JUST WANTED TO DISCUSS, IT'S COME UP A LITTLE BIT.
UM, HERE LATELY WE'VE HAD SOME, UH, SOME MORE LIGHT SHINE ON BOARD AND JUST SOME MORE OF OUR, OUR ROLES AS THIS BOARD.
THIS WE, I WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY THAT, THAT WE ARE AN ADMINISTRATIVE BOARD.
UM, WE ARE NOT THE FINAL SAY, UM, THE BOARD OF AUTUM IS THE FINAL SAY.
THEY ARE THE LEGISLATIVE BODY.
WE ARE HERE TO LOOK AT THE APPLICATION, UM, MAKE SURE THAT STAFF HAS DONE THEIR EVALUATIONS CORRECTLY, AND THEN CONTRAST THAT AGAINST PLANS OF THE CITY OF NEIGHBOR.
UM, IT, WE SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON THE ZONING NUMBER, WHAT'S BEING ASKED FOR THE REZONE OR WHATEVER'S BEING ASKED IN THE APPLICATION.
UM, IT SHOULDN'T, I'M TRYING TO CHOOSE MY WORDS CAREFULLY.
IT SHOULDN'T MATTER TOO MUCH WHAT THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR BECAUSE THINGS CHANGE.
THE APPLICANT COME IN AND ASK, WE GOT ALL THESE PLANS, WE'RE GONNA DO ALL THESE GREAT THINGS, AND THEN FINANCING CHANGES AND, AND WE'VE RECOMMENDED TO THE BOARD.
AND THE BOARD HAS VOTED ON A, A ZONING CHANGE.
SO IF WE NEED TO CONSIDER AND MAKE SURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO CONSIDER, UM, EVERYTHING THAT IS IN WHATEVER THAT ZONING CHANGE IS FROM R THREE TO C TWO OR WHATEVER, IT'S, UM, AND THAT SHOULD BE THE PRIMARY FOCUS AND TO REMEMBER, AND TO REMIND THE PUBLIC THAT, UM, THAT IS OUR ROLE IN THAT THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN CAN VOTE HOWEVER THEY WANT, AT LEAST AS WE HAVE SEEN AS OF LATE, UM, REGARDLESS OF OUR RECOMMENDATION.
UM, AND GOING ALONG WITH THAT,
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I WANNA BE REAL CAREFUL WHEN WE DO, WHEN WE GET INTO DE DELIBERATING WITH THE APPLICANT OR WITH ANYBODY ELSE, THAT WE DON'T PUT ANY CONDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS ON THEM.YOU CAN'T SAY ANYTHING LIKE, UH, WE VOTE ON THAT.
YES, IF YOU PUT 50 MORE PARKING SPACES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU CAN'T SAY ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, SO, SO THERE'S THAT, UM, ON THIS BOARD.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE, WE CAN, WE CAN, WE CAN RECOMMEND THIS GOES TO THE BOARD OF ALTMAN AND SAY YES, MEETS ALL THE PLANS.
WE CAN ALSO SAY, NO, WE DON'T THINK IT SHOULD GO TO THE BOARD OF ALTMAN.
IF WE DO THAT, WE THEN HAVE TO SAY EXACTLY WHY AND WE HAVE TO CITE WHY.
SO IT HAS TO BE NO, BECAUSE OF THESE THINGS, IT DOESN'T MEET THIS PLAN OR THIS WASN'T DONE OR WHATEVER.
WE COULD ALSO TABLE IT IF WE WANTED TO.
SO THAT IN THAT TIME BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING, IF THE APPLICANT SO CHOSE, THEY COULD REVISE THEIR APPLICATION, THEY COULD WITHDRAW THEIR APPLICATION, UM, OR HOWEVER THEY SAW FAIL.
UM, SO I JUST WANT TO PUT THOSE COUPLE THINGS OUT THERE.
I ALSO THEN WANTED TO ASK ON, WE HAVE OFTENTIMES HERE LATELY WE'VE OPENED THE FLOOR UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT, WHICH I'M ALL ABOUT.
I THINK THE CITIZENS SHOULD HAVE, UM, ABSOLUTE RIGHT TO SPEAK AT, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR THE GOVERNMENT AS A PHILOSOPHY.
UM, BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE TIMEFRAME.
AND BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY RULES AND PROCEDURES, IT IS, HAS BEEN TOLD TO ME WE HAVE TO VOTE ON EVERY MEETING IF WE WANT TO PUT A TIMEFRAME IN TO THOSE COMMENTS.
UM, AND SO I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION OF IF, IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO MAKE THAT MOTION, UM, OF A TIMEFRAME OF THREE, FOUR MINUTES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UM, IT'S REALLY UP TO THE BOARD.
OR WE COULD NOT, IT'S, BUT I CAN'T MAKE THE MOTION.
SO, UM, SO I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE LIMIT THE PUBLIC COMMENT IN, IN THIS PARTICULAR MEETING SINCE I GUESS WE HAVE TO DO THIS EVERY MEETING.
THAT'S WHY I WAS TOLD, UM, YEAH, IN THIS PARTICULAR MEETING TO THREE MINUTES.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
WE HAVE A THREE MINUTE CLOCK DURING THE PUBLIC, UH, COMMENT.
UM, I THINK THAT'S EVERYTHING THAT'S ON MY LIST.
I THOUGHT IT WAS MUCH LONGER IN MY HEAD.
[V.A. Glenburnie Road Rezoning]
UH, LET'S MOVE ON TO ACTION ITEMS FIVE A.KENDRA, DO YOU HAVE A BRIEF FOR US? YES, SIR.
DIDN'T REALLY GET TO START THAT OFF, UH, EARLY, BUT, UM, I DO.
MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST TO ALSO LET YOU KNOW, I DID ACTUALLY MAKE A SPEAKER'S LIST, SO IF ANYBODY SIGNED UP, I WILL GET THAT TO YOU AFTER I GO THROUGH THE ACTUAL ITEM.
UM, IF YOU'LL JUST GIMME A MOMENT HERE, I'M JUST GONNA HAVE TO READ OFF OF THE TV SCREENS, BUT OUR FIRST ITEM IS THE REZONING.
IT'S THE REZ 0 0 2 8 2 2 DASH 2024.
THIS IS FOR GLENBURN ROAD AND THE REQUEST SUMMARY HERE, UH, ACTUALLY HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
I DON'T UNPLUG ANYTHING THERE.
SO THE APPLICANT IS ACTUALLY WARD AND SMITH, UH, PA AND THEN THE OWNERS ARE JKB ASSOCIATES LIMITED PARTNERSHIP AND, UH, RKC ASSOCIATES LIMITED PARTNERSHIP.
THE LOCATION, ONCE AGAIN, IT'S GLEN BURNIE ROAD.
UH, THIS IS TOWARDS, OR AT S 70 WEST.
THE CURRENT ZONING IS RESIDENTIAL.
10 R DASH 10 IS THE ABBREVIATION.
THE PROPOSED ZONING IS COMMERCIAL THREE OR C DASH THREE.
THE PARCEL IDENTIFICATION NUMBERS ARE EIGHT DASH TWO 12 DASH 4 0 0 4 AND EIGHT DASH TWO 12 DASH 0 26.
AND THE SIZE IS 5.191 TOTAL ACRES.
SO THE RESIDENTIAL 10 OR R DASH 10 ZONING DISTRICT ANALYSIS.
UM, IT GIVES YOU A GENERAL OVERVIEW FOR THE ACTUAL R DASH 10 ZONING DISTRICT.
UH, THE 10 ESSENTIALLY JUST MEANS THAT 10,000 SQUARE FEET MAKES UP THE MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THE LOT SIZE.
UM, SPECIFICALLY IT CALLS OUT A COUPLE DIFFERENT POINTS.
I'LL TRY TO SHORTEN THIS AND JUST MAKE A, A, A SHORT GIST OF IT.
IT IS ULTIMATELY DESIGNED FOR A SINGLE FAMILY OR, UM, TWO FAMILY IS HOW IT PRESENTS ITSELF.
IT'S ENCOURAGED AND ESSENTIALLY IT TALKS ABOUT, UM, ENCOURAGING THE CON CONTINUATION OF, UH, SINGLE FAMILY AND
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TWO FAMILY, THE COMMERCIAL THREE OR THE C3 ZONING DISTRICT, UH, ANALYSIS ONE AND THE SAME, UM, SIMILAR.IT GIVES YOU, UH, AN EXPLANATION AS TO WHAT THAT C3 COVERS, WHICH IS PRIMARILY GEARED TOWARDS, UH, OFFICES, PERSONAL SERVICES, UM, CONVENIENCE, SIMILARITIES TO THOSE TYPES OF GOODS AND WHATNOT.
UM, THERE ARE SEVERAL USES ACTUALLY FOR COMPARISON HERE.
I'LL START WITH, UH, THAT SIDE FOR THE RESIDENTIAL USES.
SO SINGLE FAMILY, UM, DETACHED IS A PERMITTED BY RIGHT SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED, ALSO PERMITTED BY RIGHT.
AND A DUPLEX IS ALSO PERMITTED BY RIGHT.
UM, FROM THE NON-RESIDENTIAL SIDE, YOU HAVE SOME USES, JUST AS I'VE KIND OF BEEN EXPLAINING IT, ACCOMMODATES FOR THOSE PERSONAL GOODS OR CONVENIENCE TYPE OF USES, BUSINESS USES IN ESSENCE.
UM, SOME OF THE ONES THAT ARE LISTED HERE, OR I'LL GIVE YOU A PRIMARY SALES AND RENTAL OF GOODS, MERCHANDISE AND EQUIPMENT.
UH, HIGH VOLUME TRAFFIC GENERATION, N-C-D-O-T STANDARD, THE, THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT.
AND I'M GONNA KIND OF FLIP OVER TO RESIDENTIAL 10 OR R DASH 10.
UM, THE RESIDENTIAL USES VERY SIMILAR IN SOME ASPECTS.
UH, THE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED AND ATTACHED ARE PERMITTED BY RIGHT WHILE ALSO THE SHORT TERM RENTAL WAS THE ONE THAT I APPLIED HERE, OR, UM, WHOLE HOUSE OR PARTIAL HOUSE IS ALSO PERMITTED BY WRIGHT FOR RESIDENTIAL USES.
NON-RESIDENTIAL USES, YOU GET A BIT MORE COMPLEX.
UM, YOU HAVE A GOVERNMENTAL OFFICE BUILDING AND SUPPORTING SERVICES CONTINUED THERE.
IT'S A, IT'S A LONGER STYLE OF USE BUT NECESSARY FOR, UM, IN TERMS OF FOR BEING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
YEAH, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN THAT DISTRICT.
MOST COMMERCIAL USES OR NON-RESIDENTIAL USES ARE GONNA BE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
UM, THE CONSIDERATION, THE PROPOSED REZONING INVOLVES TWO PROPERTIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY ZONED FOR RESIDENTIAL USES AND ARE CURRENTLY VACANT.
UM, THAT, UM, AS FAR AS FOR WHAT I WOULD UNDERSTAND, UM, THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES ARE ZONED C DASH FIVE, C DASH THREE R DASH 10, R DASH 10 A AND R DASH SIX.
THIS MAY BE CONSIDERED, UH, REASONABLE BECAUSE PROPERTIES IMMEDIATELY ABUTTING AND ADJACENT TO THE ACTUAL SUBJECT PROPERTY ARE ALSO ZONED C3.
AND HERE'S JUST A PICTURE OF A SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THEN YOU HAVE FOLLOWED THAT BY, UM, THE VICINITY MAP FOR THE TWO PARCELS AND THE AERIAL MAP FOR THE TWO PARCELS.
AND THEN LASTLY, THE ZONING MAP, WHICH AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S THE DISTINGUISHMENT OF THE DIFFERENT COLORS, WHICH REPRESENT DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS.
C3 IS THAT REDDISH COLOR, UM, WHILE I BELIEVE R 10, UM, IS THAT YELLOWISH COLOR CURRENTLY.
AND ESSENTIALLY THE ACTIONS NEEDED NEXT, UH, ADOPTION OF THE CONSISTENCY STATEMENT AND THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN.
I'M GOING TO NOW CHECK ON THAT, UH, SIGN IN SHEET JUST TO MAKE SURE SO THAT YOU CAN CALL THE SPEAKERS IN ORDER.
CHAIRMAN, DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MYSELF? UH, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.
DOES BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR KENDRICK? I DO, YES, MA'AM.
UM, IS, THAT'S THE SCHOOL THAT'S IN THE YELLOW AND THAT LITTLE SLIVER, IS THIS ALL OWNED BY THE SAME PROPERTY OWNER? THAT'S ALREADY A C3 I IT'S GONE.
THE LAST TIME I CHECKED IT WAS OWNED BY THE PROPERTY.
IT IS THE SAME OWNER, CORRECT? YES.
THERE'S TWO OWNERS THAT ARE ATTACHED TO THE ACTUAL, UH, I GUESS THE DEED ESSENTIALLY.
AND IT REFLECTED BOTH PARTIES ON THE SAME DIFFERENCE OF PROPERTIES.
IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT BECAUSE IT IS ADJACENT TO A SCHOOL AREA THAT WE'RE NOW MAKING THIS COMMERCIAL RATHER THAN RESIDENTIAL? I WOULD HAVE THE BELIEF THAT THAT WOULD BE UP TO, UH, THE BOARD ITSELF IF THEY WANTED TO HAVE DELIBERATION PERTAINING TO THAT.
UM, AS FAR AS FOR WHAT WE HAVE ON THE ZONING MAP, YOU HAVE A FEW DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS THAT ARE ESSENTIALLY A BUTTING THESE TWO PROPERTIES.
SO THERE'S ARGUMENT ON ESSENTIALLY BOTH SIDES.
AND THAT WOULD BE A BOARD CONSIDERATION AS FAR AS I WOULD UNDERSTAND.
AND THE EIGHT DASH TWO 12 DASH 26 SLIVER, DO YOU KNOW HOW WIDE THAT IS BY ANY CHANCE? NOT DIRECTLY, NO, SIR.
I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
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ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM KENDRA? I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION.HEARING NO DISCUSSION, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THIS ITEM.
WAS THERE A COMMENT FROM THE PUBLIC? NOT ON THE SHEET.
IT'S TWO FOR THE THURMAN ROAD FOR, OH, IT'S ONLY FOR THURMAN ROAD.
IF IT'S FOR THURMAN ROAD, THEN WE SHOULD FIND, I, I GOT TWO FOR THURMAN ROAD.
I MAKE THE MOTION TO GO AHEAD AND PROCEED AND GET A C3.
SO YOUR MOTION IS TO FIND IT INCONSISTENCY? YEAH, ALL THE COMMERCIAL.
THERE'S THE WORKSHEET FOR THERE YOU.
OH, HOW DOES IT SOUND THAT FROM BEFORE? THAT'LL DO IT.
IT'S CONSISTENT BOARD MEMBER GUN.
YOU'D HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION JUST ESSENTIALLY IF YOU FOUND IT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE C3 PROPOSAL.
I MAKE A MOTION TO PROPOSE AMENDMENT.
IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE THAT THE MOTION BE C3, THAT IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND AROUND IT.
ESSENTIALLY BEING CONSISTENT WITH YES MA'AM.
WHAT DOES THE LAND USE PLAN SAY? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE MAKING A CO CONSISTENCY BASED FUND.
IT'S IN THE CONSISTENCY STATEMENT, I BELIEVE.
I GUESS THAT'S A QUESTION, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT WASN'T, I DON'T THINK IT WAS IN THE, THIS IS ONE OF OUR OPPORTUNITIES THOUGH.
SO TURNING IT TO COMMERCIAL WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH OUR ADOPTED LAND USE POINT.
OF COURSE YOU CAN SAY IT'S INCONSISTENT AND STILL RECOMMEND IT.
WE JUST HAVE TO POINT IT OUT, SO, OKAY.
SO THEN YOU MAY SAY THAT AND THEN THAT AND THIS ONE THERE'S A SAMPLE MOTION AT THE BOTTOM.
SO THE PROPOSED, BUT I GOTTA MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
SO, UH, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT AND PRESENTATION DOCUMENTATION ARE FOUND TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE 2022 LAND USE, UPDATED IN 2010 LAND USE AND DETERMINED TO BE REASONABLE IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST AND THAT IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND AROUND.
ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA GET THERE.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? HEARING NONE.
AYE UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[V.B. 684 W Thurman Road Initial Zoning]
ON TO ITEM FIVE B.MR. KING, CAN YOU EMAIL THAT TO ME? ALRIGHT, I CAN EMAIL IT TO EVERYBODY AFTER I PROCEED.
OUR NEXT ITEM IS GONNA BE FOR, UH, REZ 0 0 2 8 2 9 20 24.
THIS IS FOR 6 84 WEST THURMOND ROAD.
IT'S THE INITIAL ZONING AND THE REQUEST SUMMARY.
THE APPLICANT SLASH OWNER IS REAL DOG TOURS, LLC AND THE PARCEL ID.
THE LOCATION, 6 84 WEST THURMAN ROAD.
AND THE PROPOSED ZONING, UH, IS COMMERCIAL THREE OR C DASH THREE.
ONCE AGAIN, THE SIZE IS 6.1, GIVE OR TAKE.
UM, ACRES AND REAL OR THE, EXCUSE ME, THE CONSIDERATION REAL DOG IS LLC HAS REQUESTED TO BE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY'S MUNICIPAL BOUNDARY.
UM, AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING FOR THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN, WHICH WAS HELD ON JANUARY 9TH, 2024, THE REQUEST FOR ANNEXATION IN INTO THE CITY'S MUNICIPAL BOUNDARY WAS APPROVED.
UM, AGAIN, YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD THE C3 DESIGNATION.
ESSENTIALLY FOR THAT ZONING DISTRICT, IT ALLOWS FOR MULTIPLE, UH, COMMERCIAL OR NON-RESIDENTIAL USES.
AND HERE'S A PICTURE FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOLLOWED BY, THIS IS THE VICINITY MAP OF THE ACTUAL PROPERTY ALONG WITH THE AERIAL FOR THE PROPERTY AND THE ZONING REFLECTION ESSENTIALLY OF WHAT SURROUNDS, UM, THE ACTUAL PROPERTY.
SO, AND AGAIN, I'LL KIND OF REITERATE, THIS IS ABOUT SEVERAL DIFFERENT TYPES OF ZONING DISTRICTS.
SO YOU'VE GOT A FIVE, YOU HAVE A, OR EXCUSE ME, A DASH FIVE, WHICH IS AGRICULTURAL, A DASH FIVE F, WHICH IS AGRICULTURAL AND FORESTRY.
AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE THE C3, WHICH IS A COMMERCIAL THREE,
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UM, ZONING DISTRICT.AND YOU HAVE R 20, WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL 20 TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, OR EXCUSE ME, THE EASTERN SIDE.
SO THE ACTION NEEDED, UH, AT THIS TIME WOULD UH, BE THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN.
BUT IF THE BOARD HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR MYSELF, I'LL TAKE THOSE AT THIS TIME.
IS THAT THE ONLY PARCEL THERE THAT BELONGS NOW IS NOW PART OF THE CITY? I CAN'T, I MEAN, I WOULDN'T SAY DEFINITIVELY 'CAUSE IT LOOKS AS IF THERE'S A FEW, I MEAN, THERE'S MORE PARCELS NECESSARILY ON THE ADJACENT SIDE THAT DON'T BELONG TO THE CITY.
BUT IN THAT CLUSTER, YES, THAT'S FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN.
SO IS ALL THE, THE OTHER PROPERTIES HAVE ZONING ASSIGNED TO THEM.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT GIVES YOU THAT INDICATOR TO SOME DEGREE.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? CAN YOU ALRIGHT WITH THAT, UM, WITHOUT OBJECTION ON THE BOARD, I'D LIKE TO BRING UP THE APPLICANT TO MAKE A QUICK PRESENTATION.
GOOD EVENING, UH, CHAIRMAN BOARD.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE TONIGHT AND GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
UM, MY NAME IS MICHELLE CHRISTENSEN, MY HUSBAND AND I OWN THE PROPERTY AT 6 84 WEST THURMAN ROAD.
UM, I WANNA SAY A QUICK THANK YOU TO KENDRICK AND THE REST OF THE STAFF FOR PREPARING OUR REQUEST TONIGHT.
AND FOR ALL OF YOUR HELP AND PATIENCE WITH ME, UM, FIGURING OUT THIS WHOLE PROCESS.
UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU, UM, HALF OF WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY TONIGHT.
YOU THREW OUT IN YOUR OPENING REMARKS.
SO
UM, BUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, UH, CONSISTENCY, UM, C3 IS, UH, SEEMS LIKE A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD REQUEST.
IT, THIS IS KIND OF ZOOMED IN, BUT IF YOU WERE TO BACK THAT VIEW UP A LITTLE BIT, IT'S, UH, JUST ADDING TO A LINE OF ALREADY, UH, C3 ZONED PROPERTIES ON THAT, UM, ROAD FRONTAGE.
UM, WE HAD, UH, UH, A LOT OF, FOR OUR INTENDED USE, WE HAD A LOT OF OPTIONS THAT WE COULD, UM, YOU KNOW, ASK FOR, FOR ZONING BASED ON, UH, THE SURROUNDING, UH, SURROUNDING AREA AS WELL.
BUT AGAIN, FROM A CONSISTENCY STANDPOINT, C3 SEEMED LIKE IT WAS FOLLOWING, UM, THAT PLAN FROM A, UH, CONSISTENCY IN LAND USE PLAN.
UM, THIS PARCEL IS ALSO ADJACENT TO, UM, AN ALREADY EXISTING OUTDOOR BUSINESS, UM, ON THE LEFT SIDE WITH THE EQUESTRIAN CENTER.
UM, SO IT WOULD NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, BE OUT OF LAND USE IN THAT REGARD EITHER.
UM, THIS PARCEL IS LOCATED WITHIN BOTH A FOCUS AREA AND AN OPPORTUNITY ZONE, UH, IN THE CITY'S LAND USE PLAN.
UM, IT'S AN AREA THAT'S BEEN SPECIFICALLY TARGETED FOR, UH, COMMERCIAL GROWTH.
UH, COMMERCIAL SERVICES IN GENERAL IN THIS AREA HAVE NOT KEPT PACE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL GROWTH.
UM, SO ZONING, THE C3 WOULD ALSO BE RELEVANT TO THE CITY'S OVERALL, UH, BIG PICTURE FOR THIS SPECIFIC AREA OF TOWN.
UM, WITH, YOU KNOW, THAT BEING SAID, IF THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT THAT WANNA SPEAK TO ME, UH, LATER ABOUT SPECIFICS TO THE SITE PLAN OR INTENDED USE, THAT WOULD BE OFF TOPIC TONIGHT, I'D BE HAPPY TO, UM, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT OTHER RESIDENTS MAY HAVE.
UM, BUT WITH THAT, IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY OTHER, UH, SPECIFIC OR MORE DETAILED QUESTIONS THAT I CAN ANSWER, UM, OTHERWISE THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR, UH, TIME AGAIN TONIGHT.
AND, UM, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS AND YOU WERE TO GO IN FRONT OF THE BOARD, UM, YOUR PREVIOUS COMMENTS COULD WORK.
POLITICIANS CAN DECIDE AS THEY WILL.
SO, UM, YEAH, WE'RE MUCH, WE HAVE TO BE MUCH TIGHTER HERE SO THAT, THAT WOULD HENCE MY STATEMENT, RIGHT? UM, OKAY.
UM, SO AGAIN, I ASK THE BOARD WITHOUT OBJECTION, UM, TO OPEN UP BEFORE I HAVE TWO COMMENTERS.
UM, AND TO LIMIT THEM TO THREE MINUTES EACH.
CHAIRMAN, I'LL BE IN CHARGE OF THE STOPWATCH.
CAN KENDRICK'S GONNA RUN THE STOP WATCH.
SO, UM, WITH THAT NO OBJECTIONS.
UM, WITH THAT I INVITED MICHELLE CHRISTENSEN.
OH, THAT WAS, THAT WAS, THAT WAS YOU.
EVEN I SEE I'M RUNNING THE MEETING OVER HERE.
SO THEN, UM, MY OTHER COMMENT WOULD BE FROM JOHN JACOBS.
I LIVE AT 25 GABLES ROAD, UH, NEWBURN WITH MY WIFE BETSY CLAGGETT.
UM, I'M NOT REALLY PREPARED TO GIVE COMMENTS BECAUSE I DIDN'T REALIZE, UM, THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THIS, UM, MEETING.
BUT I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT GUY NELSON AND JASON LANDOWNER DID PROVIDE WRITTEN COMMENTS ALREADY TO THE BOARD.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST REITERATE THOSE AND SAY THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF HOMEOWNERS
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IN GABLE'S RUN WHO ARE VERY MUCH OPPOSED TO THE, UM, DESIGNATION OF THIS AREA AS A C3, UM, PARCEL.UM, I THINK THAT WE, UM, I'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THE RULES OF PROCEDURE TODAY AND I'M GLAD THAT THE BOARD IS VOTED TO, UM, MAKE THOSE, UM, UH, POSSIBLE.
UM, BUT I'VE ALSO LOOKED AT THE ORDINANCE AS WELL AS THE, UH, GENERAL STATUTE PROVISIONS, UM, GUIDING THIS, UH, DECISION.
AND SO BECAUSE, UM, THERE ARE VACANT LOTS THAT ARE, UM, ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE HOME, YOU KNOW, THE OWNERS OF THOSE ARE.
UM, COULD YOU TELL ME WHEN I HAVE ONE MINUTE LEFT, BY THE WAY.
THAT'S WHY THERE'S NO ONE HERE BECAUSE NO ONE REALLY GOT NOTICE.
UM, I JUST HAPPENED TO BE ABLE TO CHANGE MY SCHEDULE TODAY.
SO BASICALLY WE DISAGREE WITH THE, UM, STAFF EVALUATION OF THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES THAT THIS IS, UH, CONSISTENT WITH, UM, DESIGNATED USES ALREADY.
UM, I'M GONNA SUBMIT COMMENTS ON THIS REPORT, BUT WE ALSO DISAGREE WITH THE ANSWERS, UM, TO THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE MADE BY THE LANDOWNERS.
UM, WE THINK, UH, THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT MISLEADING IF NOT INACCURATE.
UM, THE ZONING MAP IS, UM, LET'S SEE.
THE MAP THAT'S UP THERE IS A LITTLE BIT MISLEADING AS WELL BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE BROADER AREA AS OPPOSED TO JUST THE VERY ADJACENT PROPERTIES, IT'S ALL RESIDENTIAL.
UM, THERE IS A NOTE THAT THERE IS, UH, HARRIS TEETER IN A COMMERCIAL AREA THAT'S ALREADY DEVELOPED A HALF MILE AWAY.
THAT'S ONLY AS THE CROW FLIES.
BUT IF YOU GO DOWN THURMAN ROAD AND THEN MAKE A RIGHT ONTO WATERSCAPE, YOU KNOW, IT'S CLOSER TO A MILE.
UM, THE OTHER PROPERTY THAT IS ADJACENT TO IT, THAT'S, UM, ZONE C3 IS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
UM, NOT INTENDED TO BE EVER DEVELOPED COMMERCIALLY, UM, ACCORDING TO THE HOMEOWNER.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE RIGHT AROUND IT, THE GREEN AREA, THAT'S ALL AGRICULTURAL.
SO BY OPENING THIS UP TO COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, YOU'RE ALTERING THE NATURE OF THIS, UM, AREA.
UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS A ZONE D UH, OPPORTUNITY AREA, BUT I'M NOT REALLY SURE HOW THAT EVER OCCURRED EITHER.
I NEED TO GO BACK INTO THE HISTORY OF THE ZONING, BUT, UH, WE ARE OPPOSED, WE REQUEST THAT A DECISION ON THIS BE DELAYED SO THAT THE HOMEOWNERS AND ADJACENT COMMUNITY, BY THE WAY, THIS IS AN ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE STREET.
UM, IT'S A LOW INCOME AREA, NOT, UM, NOT FULLY PARTICIPATING.
SO WE REQUEST DEFERMENT OF THE DECISION SO WE CAN COMMENT.
OTHERWISE WE'LL END UP APPEALING THE DECISION.
UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
UM, AND, AND, AND, AND REAL QUICK, UH, BEFORE I HAVE ENOUGH TO THE BOARD, I JUST WANT TO ALSO MAKE CLEAR THAT THE, IF THIS DOESN'T GO, IF THIS DOES PROCEED TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN, THERE WILL BE ANOTHER AVAILABILITY FOR COMMENT AT THAT MEETING AND YOU AND THE RESIDENTS OR ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTS TO MAKE A COMMENT WILL HAVE, UH, CAR BLANCHE TO DO SO.
UM, SO, UH, I JUST WANT TO HAVE THAT SAID WITH THAT.
UH, I OPEN IT UP TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION, BUT IT'S ALREADY A BUDDING OTHER COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, CORRECT? YES, MA'AM.
WHAT'S THE ZONE THAT NOW I
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE PURPOSE IS REALLY TO UNDERSTAND AND DETERMINE THE ASSIGNMENT FOR THE ZONING.
SO IT'S JUST RE IT'S SUPPOSED TO REZONING GET REZONING
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT JUST TO NOTE HERE TOO, JUST SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS, THIS WAS NOT THE CITY'S PROPERTY AND HAD NO ZONING WHEN IT WAS IN THE COUNTY.
SO ANY ZONING DISTRICT YOU RECOMMEND PUTTING ON IT PROVIDES A WHOLE LOT MORE PROTECTION THAN IT BEING UN ZONED IN THE COUNTY AS FAR AS THE LAND USE GOES.
BUT E EVEN THOUGH IT ABUTS A COMMERCIAL ZONED PROPERTY, THAT PROPERTY IS NOT CURRENTLY BEING USED FOR A COMMERCIAL PURPOSE.
THERE, THERE'S A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING THAT IS ON THAT, THAT CURRENT, UH, PROPERTY AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND.
AND TOMORROW THAT COULD CHANGE.
THAT'S, BUT THAT'S THE WAY IT IS TODAY.
THAT COULD CHANGE AT ANY TIME.
SO IT'S BEING INCORPORATED WITH THE CITY, WHICH MEANS THE CITY NOW GETS THE TAXES FROM IT.
SO WE HAVE VALUE THERE AS WELL.
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YEAH.IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE AS WELL, UH, IN, IN CONSIDERATION FOR THIS MEETING, UH, AND THE FUTURE BOARD OF ALDERMAN MEETING, THAT WITHOUT IMPLEMENTING A ZONING, UH, THE CRAVEN COUNTY REGULATIONS STILL APPLY, UH, FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME.
I BELIEVE IT'S 60 DAYS, UH, WHICH MEANS THERE IS NO ZONING AND THEY CAN APPLY FOR THAT FOR NO ZONING.
THEY, THEY CAN APPLY TO DEVELOP SOMETHING UNDER COUNTIES, BUT THEY WOULD'VE TO WITHIN NEXT REGULATIONS, WHICH IS THERE'S NO ZONING THERE.
SO, SO UNTIL MARCH 9TH, THEY COULD COME FULL BUILDING PERMITS TO BUILD ANYTHING THEY'D LIKE.
AND BUILDING PERMITS ARE TIME LIMITED.
SO TO PUT OFF A DECISION TODAY WOULD MAKE IT MORE LIKELY THAT THAT, THAT THAT COULD HAPPEN.
I DON'T THINK IT WOULD, BUT THAT BY, YOU KNOW, THE LETTER OF HOW THE LAW WORKS AND THE LAW IS ASKING YOU TO LOOK AT WHAT IS THE ZONING AROUND IT.
AGAIN, TYPICALLY WE FIND SOMETHING IS A REASONABLE, IF THERE IS ADJACENT ZONE PROPERTY THAT IS, IS THE SAME ZONING DISTRICT, UM, WHEN YOU MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION JUST BY LOOKING AT THIS MAP, I'M NOT SURE THE HISTORY OF THAT ZONING OR HOW SOMETHING RESIDENTIAL GOT ZONE C3, BUT WE'RE EMBARKING UPON LOOKING AT OUR ENTIRE MAP IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS HERE, GETTING STARTED.
SO WHAT WE'LL BE LOOKING AT AT THESE AREAS, LIKE WHERE WE'RE LIKE, WELL HOW DID THAT HAPPEN? AND DOES THIS STILL MAKE SENSE? BUT BEFORE US, TONIGHT IS A REQUEST TO DO THIS.
AND UM, IT COULD VERY WELL BY THE LOBBY BE FOUND REASONABLE BECAUSE IT IS ADJACENT TO EXISTING C3 AND KNOWING WHAT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAPPEN AROUND THAT AREA.
BECAUSE YOU GET ALL OF OLD AIRPORT ROADS, THERE ARE BUSINESSES THERE, AND THEN YOU CAN TAKE THE EQUEST, THE STABLES, YOU COULD SAY, WELL THAT'S A BUSINESS BECAUSE THEY'RE RUNNING THE STABLES THERE.
BUT THE STABLES ARE NOT ON A C3 PROPERTY.
THE STABLES ARE ON AN A FIVE PROPERTY.
BUT, SO IT'S A DIFFERENT ZONING.
SO I, I I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT MATTERS IN MY OPINION.
UM, AND I, I JUST WANNA SAY I MADE A NOTE HERE TO THIS GENTLEMAN'S COMMENTS.
I DO HAVE GUIDE NELSON'S EMAIL.
ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? IF NOT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
DO I NEED THAT PIECE OF PAPER?
DO WE NEED A CONSISTENCY STATEMENT FOR THIS? NOT THAT I, NO.
WE ARE JUST RECOMMENDING THIS TO BE ZONED TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN OR NOT.
YOUR REASONING CAN INCLUDE THE FACT THAT IT IS OR IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE PLAN AND, AND DEVELOPMENT SURROUNDING IT.
UM, WHENEVER YOU GIVE YOUR JUSTIFICATION FOR YOUR MOTION.
WELL, I MOTION THAT WE DO DO A C3 'CAUSE I DO FIND IT CONSISTENT.
'CAUSE WE DO HAVE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AROUND IT.
AND THAT AREA IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE COMMERCIAL MORE AS IT GETS DEVELOPED RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER ON LAND LANDSCAPE SPECIAL USE PERMIT GOING ON OVER THERE.
I THINK I'M GONNA ASK FOR A ROLL CALL VOTE.
SO WE'LL START WITH, UH, BOARD MEMBER B MR. BALLER, WE'LL START WITH YOU ON THE ROLL CALL.
WHAT WAS YOUR, WHAT WAS YOUR VOTE? YOU AGREE? YEAH.
DO YOU AGREE? I CAN'T HIM, WOULD YOU, YOU JUST HAVE TO TELL ME WHAT YOUR BOAT IS, SIR? YEAH, YOUR NAY.
SHE MIGHT HIT, HOLD ON, I'LL COME UP TO YOU.
SO YOU NAY ACTUAL, YOU KNOW THE VOTE? YES.
OKAY, SO WHAT DO WE'RE VOTING NOW.
SO IS IT YES OR NO? HE'S ASKING YOU.
MR. ILUSO OR EXCUSE ME, BOARD MEMBER ILUSO.
WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM JUST FOR THE BENEFIT SINCE WE HAVE AUDIENCE THAT CARED ENOUGH TO COME OUT TONIGHT.
ROBERT, WILL YOU EXPLAIN THE NEXT STEPS
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AND WHAT HAPPENS WITH A, UH, REZONING AFTER WE RECOMMEND IT TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN? THAT'S CORRECT.THE NEXT STEPS FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, AS WELL AS THE REZONING BEFORE THIS, UH, IS WE ARE GOING TO ASK FOR A CALL FOR THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN THAT'S ESSENTIALLY ASKING THEM TO SET A DATE FOR THEIR PUBLIC HEARING AT THAT CALL, WHICH IS THE FIRST, UH, THE FIRST MEETING IS THE SECOND, SECOND WEEK OF THE MONTH.
UH, THEY WILL EITHER TAKE IT UP OR NOT TAKE IT UP.
IF IT'S TAKEN UP, IT'LL BE AT THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING.
THOSE DATES ARE AVAILABLE ON THEIR CALENDAR.
UH, WE CAN'T GIVE YOU A SPECIFIC DATE TODAY.
UH, FEEL FREE TO EMAIL OUR OFFICE.
UH, EITHER MYSELF OR KENDRICK CAN, UH, INFORM YOU OF THAT WHENEVER IT IS ACTUALLY PUT ON A AGENDA.
UH, BUT AT THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN, THAT PUBLIC HEARING WILL INCLUDE THE SAME PRESENTATION.
FOR THE MOST PART, THE SAME INFORMATION WILL BE GIVEN TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN AND YOU'LL ALSO HAVE A OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND THEY DO HAVE A SIMILAR TIME LIMIT THERE AS WELL.
AND WILL ONE OF YOU ALSO WALK THROUGH THE POSTING AND THE MAILING PROCEDURES? SURE.
SO IN REFERENCE TO THE POSTING, UM, THERE WILL BE A NEWSPAPER AD THAT IS ESSENTIALLY RAN, I BELIEVE IT'S 10 DAYS, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
THE, THE TIME LIMIT IS NO, UH, BETWEEN 10 AND 25 DAYS OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IT'LL BE THE NEWBERN SUN JOURNAL.
AND THEN IN REFERENCE TO THE ACTUAL MAILINGS, THAT'S ALSO THE SAME TIMELINE.
SO THE NOTICES WILL GO OUT BETWEEN THAT TIME PERIOD AND THE, AND ALSO A SIGN IS POSTED ACTUALLY FOR THE PROPERTY AGAIN, UM, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE JUST PREVIOUSLY HAD.
MAIL NOTICE, UH, BY GENERAL STATUTE IS ONLY LEGALLY REQUIRED TO GO OUT TO A BUDDING PROPERTY OWNERS.
UH, NEWBURN HAS A ORDINANCE THAT REQUIRES US TO SEND IT TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
UH, SO A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER AROUND THIS PROPERTY.
THOSE FOLKS ARE THE ONES WHO WILL GET MAILED NOTICE AND THE SIGN THAT'S POSTED ON THE PROPERTY WILL BE POSTED ON THE PROPERTY FACING WEST THURMAN ROAD.
SO ANYBODY THAT TRAVELS DOWN THAT ROAD CAN SEE A, THIS IS THE DATE AND TIME OF THE HEARING, THE LOCATION OF THE HEARING, AND THE ITEM NUMBER OF IT BEING HEARD.
[VI. COMMENTS]
I WILL NOW, UH, MOVE TO, UM, SECTION SIX.AND THEN WE HAVE A ITEM, AN ITEM CALLED PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND I AM ASSUMING THAT MEANS PEOPLE CAN JUST COME UP AND TALK TO US FOR THREE MINUTES.
DOES ANY, UH, IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES? COME UP.
MY NAME IS LANCE DIBBS AND I'M A CITIZEN OF NEWBURG IN NORTH CAROLINA.
SOMETHING I THAT JUST STUCK OUT TO ME, WHEN THIS GENTLEMAN FIRST BEGAN HIS PRESENTATION, IT WAS ZONED, IT WAS ZONED AGRICULTURAL.
NOW FOR SOME REASON IT'S, IT'S, IT IS.
WE'VE GOT, IT'S, IT IS NOT ZONED AND WE SEEM TO HAVE GOT, I DON'T KNOW, I JUST POPPED IN CALLS TO, I SAW THE SIGN OUT FRONT, BUT I NOTICED THAT, BUT NOBODY ELSE LAID IT WRONG.
NOTICE THAT IT WAS INITIALLY AGRICULTURALLY ZONED PROPERTY PARCEL.
ARE YOU REFERRING TO THIS IMAGE RIGHT HERE, SIR? YES, SIR.
SO, UH, THERE'S A DISTINCTION THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE.
ZONING IS ACTUALLY THE COLORS THAT ARE SHOWN ON THE MAP THAT REGULATES THE USE.
UH, WHAT IT'S CURRENTLY SHOWN AS IN THIS CASE, THERE'S A BUNCH OF TREES.
WE WOULD CALL THAT A VACANT USE OR A FORESTED USE.
UM, IF, IF THERE'S SOMETHING LIKE A HOUSE ON IT THAT IS ALSO A USE, THAT'S A RESIDENTIAL USE.
THE ZONING, HOWEVER, UH, ON THAT ADJACENT PROPERTY IS COMMERCIAL.
SO WHEN WE'RE REFERRING TO ZONING, IT'S BASED OFF OF THE MAP, NOT NECESSARILY WHAT'S ON THE GROUND.
WELL I JUST HEARD THE AGRICULTURAL THANK YOU.
I I JUST, THAT'S WHY I WAS LAUGHING, BUT I'M SORRY.
I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS THE, UM, MEMBERS' COMMENTS ABOUT ECONOMIC VALUE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UM, NO ONE KNOWS OR HAS SEEN THE SITE PLAN YET, SO I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY'RE ENVISIONING.
UM, WE'VE HEARD RUMORS OF AN 8,000 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY, UH, OPEN 24 HOURS A DAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TRUE, BUT I DO WANNA POINT OUT, UM, I THINK THERE'S, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY REFERENCE THE ECONOMIC VALUE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AND YES, THIS IS VACANT LAND, IT'S BEEN CLEARED, ROUGHLY SIX ACRES HAS BEEN CLEARED.
UM, I BELIEVE YOU NEED A BUILDING PERMIT BEFORE
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YOU CAN CLEAR.SO I DON'T KNOW IF WHEN HAS BEEN ISSUED.
UM, BUT I THINK WHAT YOU AREN'T TAKING INTO ACCOUNT IS A DIMINUTION IN VALUE OF THE ADJACENT LANDOWNER'S PROPERTIES IN OUR SUBDIVISION.
MOST OF THE HOMES GO FOR OVER EIGHT, $900,000 WITH THIS PROPERTY GOING UP THERE.
AND IF IT IS A, UM, FACILITY ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT WE'VE HEARD, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 24 HOUR BARKING, WHICH IS GONNA DIMINISH THE VALUE OF THESE PROPERTIES.
I DIDN'T PAY NEARLY A MILLION DOLLARS TO LIVE NEXT TO AN OUTDOOR KENNEL FACILITY, I DON'T THINK ANY OF MY NEIGHBORS DID AS WELL.
SO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS A DIMINUTION IN VALUE OF A LOT OF MONEY, YOU KNOW, TAX BASED WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SAME THING'S GONNA HAPPEN IN LONGLEAF PINES ACROSS THE STREET.
SAME THING'S GONNA HAPPEN ALONG THURMOND AS WELL.
AND I THINK, AS I SAID EARLIER, THE NOTION THAT THIS SHOULD BE TURNED INTO A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR IS UNNECESSARY.
WE HAVE EVERYTHING WE NEED AT HARRIS TEETER AND THAT AREA.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, THERE HAVE BEEN VACANT SHOPS THERE UNTIL RECENTLY.
UM, THAT WHOLE AREA IS BEING BUILT OUT.
THERE'S NO NEED TO EXTEND THAT COMMERCIAL EXPANSION INTO THE THURMAN ROAD AREA.
UM, I'LL MOVE ON TO BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS.
DOES ANYBODY HERE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? I HAVE ONE QU ONE QUESTION.
UM, THE DIFFERENCE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT'S MAYBE GOING THERE OF, OF VETERINARY CENTER, WE CAN'T MAKE A DECISION AS A BOARD TO SPOT ZONE SOMETHING BASED ON SPECIFIC USE.
AND THAT IS, I THINK WHAT IS SOMETIMES NOT UNDERSTOOD BY THE PUBLIC IS THAT IS IT CONSISTENT WITH OUR LAND USE PLAN? RIGHT.
WE ARE NOT PRIVY TO, UH, NOR SHOULD WE ASK, IT'S NOT OUR POSITION TO A, TO SPECIFICALLY ASK THE DETAILS.
UM, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE, UM, SPOT ZONE AND IT'S NOT NOT CORRECT.
SO, UM, I JUST, WHEN HE BROUGHT THAT UP ABOUT BARKING AND ALL THESE THINGS, THOSE ARE ITEMS THAT WE DON'T HAVE INFORMATION ON.
WE HAVE TO DISCUSS WHETHER OR NOT THE ZONING IS CONSISTENT OR NOT.
WE'RE, WE'RE AN ADMINISTRATIVE BODY.
THOSE THINGS CAN BE DELIBERATED ON BY THE POLITICIANS.
AND THAT THAT'S THEIR PROGRESS.
AS THEY'VE DONE AND WILL CONTINUE TO.
UM, ANYBODY ELSE? I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT BECAUSE RIGHT NEXT DOOR, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S A HOUSE THERE, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND HE CAN TOMORROW CHANGE THAT TURNED THAT HOUSE INTO IT IS ZONE ON THE MAP AS C3.
IT COULD, IT COULD DEMO, IT COULD SELL IT, DEMOLISH IT, MAKE IT, BUT, BUT THE, THE COUNTERPOINT TO THAT IS, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR 270 DEGREES AROUND THAT, THERE'S RESIDENTIAL AND AGRICULTURAL.
YOU KNOW, TO ME, TO DISCONTINUE, TO EXTEND COMMERCIAL, WHEN YOU HAVE ALL THESE HOMES AROUND IT, RESIDENTIAL AND THEN AGRICULTURAL ON THE BACKSIDE, JUST BECAUSE IT'S NEXT TO A SLIVER OF C3 PROPERTY TO ME, DOESN'T MEAN IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE ENTIRE PLAN FOR THAT AREA WHEN YOU, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE OTHER PROPERTIES AROUND IT.
UH, THERE'S ALSO, I NOTICED THAT THE A FIVE AND A FIVE F THE VETERINARIAN IN ALL ACTIVITIES WITHIN A CLOSED BUILDING, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S TOTALLY ENCLOSED OR QUICKLY ENCLOSED IS ALL UN I MEAN, FALLS UNDERNEATH IS A POSSIBLE USE.
SO I WOULD, I DON'T KNOW, I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE, GIVE THAT SOME CONSIDERATION AS WELL.
THE ISSUE IS, I GUESS WE, WE CAN'T, TO YOUR COMMENTS IN THE BEGINNING, WE, WE CAN'T GIVE STATEMENTS TO FOLKS THAT YOU KNOW.
WELL IF YOU, YOU KNOW, THIS IS TOTALLY ALLOWED UNDER THIS ZONING.
NO, I'M JUST, NO, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE, WE'RE EVALUATING THAT THE APPLICATION, WE'RE EVALUATING THE APPLICATION AT THE TABLE, YOU'RE YOU'RE HUNDRED PERCENT RIGHT.
NUMBER OF USES THAT ARE GOING ON AROUND YOU.
AND THE, THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I WOULD ADD, AND I GUESS I COULD HAVE DONE THIS FROM THERE, BUT TO YOUR POINT, RUSTY, THE, THE, IN THE LAND USE PLAN, IT IS IN THE BUBBLE WHAT THEY CALLED OUT FOR A FUTURE, FUTURE FOCUSED LAND USE.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S IN THE PLAN, YOU GOT THE THING.
BUT WHILE THAT MAY BE THE CASE, EVERYTHING AROUND IT IS NOT COMMERCIAL.
SO, YOU KNOW, THEN YOU'RE, ARE YOU SAYING THEN THAT THE, I GOT THAT
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THE COUNTERPOINT TO IT IS, DOES THAT MEAN THE REST OF IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE PLAN? WHICH I DON'T THINK WE WOULD EVER SAY THAT, BUT THAT'S NOT TRUE.I MEAN, THE RED, THE RED PORTION IS COMMERCIAL.
THE, THE, UH, THE, UH, PROPERTY ON THE RIGHT, ON THE RIGHT SIDE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS COMMERCIAL.
SO, NO, THAT'S NOT RESIDENTIAL.
THAT'S ISN'T THIS COMMERCIAL WHERE THERE'S A RESIDENTIAL HOUSE? NO, THAT'S THE RED SIDE, THE LEFT SIDE, THE BIG RED SIDE.
SOMEONE'S GOT A HOUSE ON THAT.
I, I DON'T WANT TO CONTINUE TO PLAY THIS POINT, BUT FEDERALLY, AUTUMN, YEAH.
IT'S GOING TO THE BOARD OF, I I JUST WANT TO PUT THOSE, A COUPLE THINGS OUT THERE AND THANK YOU FOR, FOR SAYING THAT.
UM, DOES, UM, BUT IT'S, MAN, ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON ANYTHING ELSE? MM-HMM.
UH, THEN I WILL, UM, GO AHEAD.
I GARCIA SAY YOU CAN DO THE, I YEAH, I WAS GONNA TURN IT OVER TO YOU.
TO YOU RUSTY, OR DID YOU WANT ME TO NO, I CAN DO IT.
UM, SO AS YOU ALL KNOW, THOMAS DOESN'T KNOW, BUT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING, UH, THE POTENTIAL OF A PARKING COMMITTEE AS PART OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.
AND HOW WOULD THAT WORK IF WE WANTED TO DO SOMETHING IN THAT SPACE.
WE'VE CONTINUED TO TALK ABOUT IT AND IT'S STILL UNDER DISCUSSION.
THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS TO BE CONSIDERED.
HOW WOULD WE DO IT? DOES IT MAKE SENSE? DID THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN, DO THEY WEIGH IN AND TELL US, YES, THEY WANT US TO DO IT OR THEY DON'T WANT US TO DO IT? THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT ARE STILL BEING DISCUSSED.
SO I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A WAY FORWARD YET, BUT IT'S STILL IN PLAN.
SO MAYBE BY THE NEXT MEETING WE'LL HAVE A, A PLAN READY TO GO.
WHAT, WHAT WOULD THAT ENTAIL? THE PARKING COMMITTEE? SO TO LOOK AT THE PARKING, UM, IN THE CITY OF NEW BERN, UM, ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY BECAUSE WE'RE THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.
NOW, THERE'VE BEEN A LOT OF STUDIES, AS YOU CAN PROBABLY IMAGINE DOWNTOWN.
THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT PARKING.
UM, AND THERE HAVE BEEN, UH, STUDIES DONE BACK IN 2007.
THERE WAS AN UPDATE TO THAT STUDY IN 2017 AS TO DOWNTOWN PARKING.
IS IT ENOUGH? IF, IF IT ISN'T, WHAT WOULD YOU DO AS A PLAN TO INCREASE IT OR DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT? MM-HMM.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN SINCE 2017, SINCE THAT ISSUE'S BEEN TAKEN UP.
UH, PARKING CONTINUES TO BE A DISCUSSION.
THERE ARE FOLKS THAT SAY THERE ARE ENOUGH PARKING SPACES IN NEW BERN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PARKING SPACES IN NEW BERN, WELL OVER HALF OF THOSE THAT ARE IN NEW BERN ARE PRIVATELY OWNED AND ARE LEASED.
SO IS THAT ENOUGH FOR THE PUBLIC? YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN? BUT AT LEAST TO CONTINUE LOOKING AT PARKING AND NOT JUST IN THE DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR, BUT ACROSS THE CITY.
UM, YOU KNOW, DO THINGS NEED TO BE DONE OR DO WE LEAVE IT ALONE? BUT CAN TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT, IT SEEMS TO BE SOMETHING THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD SHOULD AT LEAST TAKE UP AS A COMMITTEE.
SO THAT'S, HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION.
UM, THAT I WILL OPEN THE, TO THE STAFF.
WELL, I ACTUALLY DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY COMMENTS.
YOU GUYS HAVE REALLY DISCUSSED EVERYTHING GOING FORWARD AND WE'VE ALREADY KIND OF GONE OVER THE TIME LIMITS AND THINGS TO THAT EFFECT AS WELL.
UM, I HAVE NO, NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.
UM, A WEEK FROM MONDAY, OUR LAND USE PLAN, OUR LAND USE ORDINANCE CONSULTANT IS COMING DOWN.
HE HAS THREE DAYS OF MEETING SCHEDULED.
HE'LL BE GIVING AN OVERVIEW PRESENTATION TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN ON THE 10 STEPS.
IT'S GONNA TAKE US TO GET THIS UPDATED.
UM, JUST TO THROW INTO YOUR OPTIONS, YOU'RE WEIGHING OUT, I WOULD LOVE A SUBCOMMITTEE OF THIS BOARD TO WORK SPECIFICALLY WITH HIM ON THE PARKING CHAPTER OF THE ORDINANCE.
IT'S, IT'S SUCH AN OPPORTUNITY.
WE HAVE A PROFESSIONAL WHO IS THE LIAISON TO THE STATE LEGISLATURE WORKING ON OUR ORDINANCE, WHICH IS SO COOL.
AND HE BRINGS A WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE AND HAS WORKED IN ABOUT 32 DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS IN NORTH CAROLINA, I THINK.
AND IF YOU WANNA TALK PARKING, I WILL SET YOU UP TIME TO STICK HIS BRAIN.
IF I COULD JUST GET THREE OF YOU THAT WANTED TO VOLUNTEER, CALL IT A COMMITTEE AND GET THIS PROFESSIONALLY WRITTEN AND STUDIED.
GREAT OPPORTUNITY RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF US ABOUT TO START.
SO, UM, I KNOW WE'RE STILL WEIGHING THINGS OUT, BUT THERE, JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE 'CAUSE IT'S FINALLY HERE.
COULD WE AT LEAST MEET HIM WHILE HE'S HERE? ABSOLUTELY.
SO IT IS A TOPIC THAT WILL BE CONSIDERED, EVERY, EVERY CHAPTER THAT'S IN THE EXISTING ORDINANCE WILL BE REEVALUATED AND MAYBE REDONE.
UH, SOME STANDARDS WOULD CHANGE, SOME WOULD INCREASE, SOME WOULD DECREASE.
UH, IT, IT'S REALLY DEPENDENT ON THE STEERING COMMITTEE AND THE STAKEHOLDERS AND THE PUBLIC INPUT.
UH, IT, IT'S NO SMALL TASK TO REDO COMPLETELY AN ORDINANCE.
THIS ISN'T SIMPLY JUST A, UH, A REVISION TO THE CURRENT ORDINANCE.
IT, IT'LL BE BRAND NEW WHEN IT'S DONE.
SO IF HE HAS TIME AND WANTS TO MEET WITH A COUPLE US SURE.
IF YOU'LL SHOOT ROBERT AN EMAIL IN THE MORNING, I WILL, WE'LL GET YOU A SLOT WITH HIM.
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OKAY, SURE.IF YOU'RE AVAILABLE, UM, ABSOLUTELY THOSE DATES NEXT WEEK, I'M AVAILABLE NEXT WEEK.
AND, AND INCLUDE ME IN THAT OKAY.
AS WELL, UH, AS I CAN GET THERE.
I DON'T HAVE A JOB THAT, THAT IS TRUE.
THAT IS WHAT, ANYWAYS, WE'RE EXCITED THE EXCITEMENT'S COMING TUNE INTO THE NEXT BOARD OF ALDERMAN MEETING TO SEE HIS PRESENTATION AND, UH, HARD WORK'S GETTING STARTED.
BUT IT'S GONNA BE WORTH IT WHEN WE'RE FINISHED.
AND AS A POINT TO THE BOARD, UH, TO, TO, I GUESS COME BACK TO RUSTY'S COMMENT, UH, ABOUT WHAT'S NEXT TO, UH, A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY WHEN IT'S ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL OR AGRICULTURAL AND FORESTRY TYPE USES.
UH, I HAVEN'T SEEN IT IN THIS ORDINANCE OR LAND USE PLAN, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED IN MY PREVIOUS OCCUPATION IS, UH, A TRANSITIONAL USE.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE INTENSITY OF WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING, UH, IN, IN A ZONING ASPECT OF THINGS.
YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO TELL HOW INTENSE THEIR USE IS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING THE USE.
UH, BUT A TRANSITIONAL, UH, ZONING DISTRICT, LIKE AN OFFICE, AN INSTITUTIONAL ZONING DISTRICT WOULD, WOULD BUFFER RESIDENTIAL USES FROM MORE HEAVILY TRAFFICKED COMMERCIAL USES.
UH, KNOWING WHAT THEY WERE DOING.
THAT'S NOT AS INTENSE AS SOMETHING AS, LET'S SAY A A GAS STATION, RIGHT.
WHERE YOU'RE HAVING HUNDREDS OF FOLKS COME IN PER DAY.
UH, THE INTENSITY OF THAT ZONING DISTRICT, THE POSSIBILITY OF THAT INTENSITY COULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU CONSIDER AS WELL.
BECAUSE IF YOU BACKED OUT ON THE SEC, THIS MAP, AND YOU GO ON DOWN AIRPORT ROAD, THERE IS MORE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ZONED.
IS IT NOT ON THE RIGHT? I KNOW THERE'S A SPEECH THERAPY, THERE'S THAT LITTLE STRIP.
I'D HAVE TO PROBABLY PULL UP THE ENTIRE MAP, BUT TOWARDS THE, UH, I GUESS THE WESTERN SIDE, THERE IS A LARGE PIECE, UM, THAT'S NOT, YOU CAN'T SEE THAT VISIBLY HERE.
UM, AND I THINK POSSIBLY FURTHER DOWN THERE MAY BE MORE PROPERTIES THAN OUR ZONE COMMERCIAL.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT STRIP HOLD AIRPORT THAT YOU REFERENCED DOES HAVE MAYBE AT LEAST SEVEN PARCELS.
'CAUSE I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN INQUIRING ABOUT THAT.
SO, AND THAT'S C FOUR, BUT IT'S NOT C3, BUT IT'S A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
SO THERE IS MORE COMMERCIAL THAT'S AROUND IT.
IT'S JUST THIS MAP FOCUSES ON THE PARCEL ALONG WITH THE ADJACENT ANTIBODY OF COURSE.
BUT I, I GUESS I, I GUESS THE QUESTION I HAVE AS IT RELATES TO THAT POINT, MARGIE, IS WHAT IS OUR INTENTION, OR WHAT'S THE INTENTION OF THE CITY? IS THE INTENTION OF THE CITY TO MAKE AS MUCH OF THE CITY COMMERCIAL AS WE POSSIBLY CAN? BECAUSE THERE MIGHT BE SOME COMMERCIAL DOWN THE STREET.
I, I, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT.
SO OUR LAND USE PLAN IS SUPPOSED TO SAY THAT THE PROBLEM WITH THE CITY OF NEW BERN'S LAND USE PLAN WAS, IT WAS, WELL, WE CALL IT AN UPDATE.
ONLY CERTAIN AREAS WERE UPDATED.
AND I DON'T THINK IT WAS STUDIED TO THE LEVEL THAT I WOULD'VE LIKED IT DONE.
AND IT'S HIGHLY LIKELY ONCE WE GET THROUGH THIS ORDINANCE REWRITE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO BACK TO THAT LAND USE PLAN.
SO A LAND USE PLAN IS THE MOST IMPORTANT DOCUMENT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE.
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO REFERENCE IT ON EVERYTHING.
AND OURS IS NOT VERY USEFUL, UNFORTUNATELY.
IS THAT THE ONE THAT WAS JUST DONE A FEW YEARS AGO? YES.
THAT WAS RUSHED THROUGH SO FAST.
SO THAT'S WHERE YOU DO THE DEEP DIVE STUDY.
HOW DOES THE CITY OF NEW BERN WANT TO GROW? WHERE DO WE WANT CONNECTIONS? WHERE DO WE WANT TRANSITION AREAS? ROBERT JUST, JUST REFERENCED AND OURS DOESN'T HAVE THAT.
RIGHT? SO WE'RE WORKING WITHOUT ALL OF THE TOOLS THAT SOME BOARDS HAVE THE LUXURY OF GOING TO AND SAYING, WELL, BOY, WHEN WE DID THIS LAND USE PLAN, WE SAID NO, THIS WAS AN AREA WE WANTED SLOWER GROWTH.
OURS ACTUALLY SAYS THIS IS AN AREA WE WANT COMMERCIAL GROWTH.
SO WHETHER WE AGREE WITH THAT OR NOT.
THIS IS WHERE, THIS IS WHERE WE WHY CONSISTENCY STATEMENTS CAME ABOUT.
'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LAND USE PLAN BY STATE LAW IF YOU WANT TO ENFORCE ZONING.
FORTUNATELY, THE CITY OF NEW RNA SAYS, YES, WE SEE VALUE IN, IN REGULATING WHAT PEOPLE CAN AND CANNOT DO ON DIFFERENT LANDS OR ELSE IT WOULD BE THE WILD WILD WEST IN CERTAIN AREAS.
SO JUST FOR THE PURPOSES OF CONVERSATION, THIS SECTION SAYS WE DESIRE TO GROW HERE.
SO WE GO AND WE LOOK AT THAT CLASSIFICATION WHEN YOU ACTUALLY MAKE THE CONSISTENCY STATEMENT, UM, YOU KNOW, REGARDLESS OF WHAT'S ON HERE OR ON THE GROUND OR ON THE ZONING, THE LAND USE PLAN IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
IT'S CONSISTENT WITH, BECAUSE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO ALWAYS BE UPDATED.
AND OUR LAND USE PLAN RIGHT NOW SAYS THIS IS AN AREA WHERE WE WANNA SEE COMMERCIAL GROWTH.
SO THAT'S THE CONSISTENCY PART.
THE REASONABLE PART IS WHERE YOU HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY.
'CAUSE WE COULD MAKE A REASONABLE STATEMENT EITHER WAY AND SAY IT'S REASONABLE.
THERE'S COMMERCIALLY ZONED PROPERTY RIGHT NEXT TO IT, BUT YOU'RE ALSO REASONABLE.
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WELL, IT'S REASONABLE TO SAY NO, THIS, THERE'S, THERE'S RESIDENCES ALL AROUND HERE.IF THAT'S KIND OF BOILS IT DOWN MORE SIMPLY.
SO WE ARE, WE, WE ARE TASKED DOING THE HARD WORK, THIS BOARD AND STAFF OF DECIDING, YOU KNOW, LOOKING, ONCE WE HAVE ALL THE NEW ZONING DISTRICTS WRITTEN, WHAT REALLY, REALLY STUDYING WHAT SHOULD AND SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED HERE.
DO WE NEED LESS ZONING DISTRICTS? DO WE NEED MORE? DO WE WANT TO RENAME THEM? THESE ARE ALL ALL THINGS WE'RE GONNA CONSIDER.
AND YOU SEE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES OF HAVING SO MANY ZONING DISTRICTS AND HAVING THESE CHARTS THAT LIST ALL THESE MANY, MANY USES, WE CAN KIND OF TAILOR THEM DOWN.
SO THERE'S THESE MIDDLE GROUND AREAS.
MAYBE THIS IS AN AREA LIKE YOU SAID, WHERE UM, OFFICES ARE OKAY, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE A HARLEY SHOP THAT'S HAVING RALLIES EVERY WEEKEND IS NOT, OR, OR WHATEVER.
UM, AND TO OTHER POINTS THAT WERE MADE TODAY, ALSO, WE DO NOT DO CONDITIONAL ZONING.
AND, UM, CONDITIONAL ZONING IS WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT A SITE PLAN AND CHANGING THE ZONING AND ADOPTING THE SITE PLAN ALL AT ONCE.
IT'S A VERY, IT'S A LEGAL DOCUMENT.
IT REQUIRES A LOT OF ATTORNEY WORK AND, UM, DIFFERENT KINDS OF MAPPING.
AND THAT SITE PLAN BECOMES PART OF THE CITY OF NEW BERN LAW WHEN IT'S ADOPTED.
IF YOU WERE TO GO TO USE THAT SYSTEM, I'M NOT ADVOCATING THAT WE DO THAT HERE.
I THINK OUR PROCESS OF, IF WE GET OUR ZONING DISTRICTS RIGHT, GET THE ZONING MAP COLORED RIGHT, AND THEN FIX THAT LAND USE PLAN, AND WE SAY, THIS IS WHERE GROWTH SHOULD HAPPEN.
THIS IS WHERE WE DON'T WANNA SEE GROWTH AND IT ALL WORKS TOGETHER, THEN THAT DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE DOES ITS JOB BECAUSE IT, IT FUNCTIONS BETTER THAN ANYTHING ELSE, UM, IN OUR SYSTEMS RIGHT NOW.
AND WE GET, YOU KNOW, ALL THE UTILITY PEOPLE AND ALL OF OUR EMERGENCY PARTNERS IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, AND EVERYONE'S AROUND THE TABLE LOOKING AT THESE BIG THINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH THAT BOARD.
AND THE COMMENTS COME IN THAT, THAT SYSTEM HERE WORKS REALLY WELL.
WE'VE GOT TO GET THE GUIDING PARAMETERS IN THE LAW FIXED.
AND THEN AS WAS EXPOSED TONIGHT, LET'S REALLY GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT LAND USE PLAN.
UM, AND, AND IT WOULD BE REALLY GREAT IF WE'RE SATISFIED WITH THE WORK OF THE ORDINANCE TO KIND OFT THIS ON A, A LAND USE PLAN REWRITE.
UM, AND MAYBE BE ABLE TO USE THE SAME GROUP TO DO THAT.
BECAUSE AFTER THE NEXT TWO YEARS, THEY'LL BE INTIMATELY FAMILIAR WITH OUR LAND USES.
ACTUALLY ALL OF US PROBABLY WILL BE BY THEN.
SO AS WELL AS THE AREA AND THE PEOPLE.
AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT, WHICH IS THE OTHER HALF OF OUR NAME.
WE TALK A LOT ABOUT ZONING, BUT WE DON'T TALK A LOT ABOUT PLANNING.
AND THERE IS A LOT THAT CAN BE DONE TO TALK ABOUT PLANNING IN THE CITY OF UNIVERS.
AND I THINK, UM, I KNOW STAFF IS ADVOCATING, WE REALLY WOULD LIKE ALL OF OUR PROCESSES PUT INTO THIS ORDINANCE.
SO IT'S VERY CLEAR AND CONSISTENT.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S LACKED HERE HISTORICALLY THAT I'M TRYING TO CHANGE.
SO OUR, OUR, UM, CONSULTANT THAT WE HIRED, I THINK HE UNDERSTOOD THE ASSIGNMENT.
BRAD PARTICIPATED WHEN WE INTERVIEWED THEM AND REVIEWED ALL OF THE, WE GOT SIX PROPOSALS.
FOUR OF THE FIRMS WERE PRETTY QUALIFIED.
BUT I THINK THE GENTLEMAN THAT WE HIRED, HE HAS THE PERSONALITY, UM, TO REALLY WORK WELL WITH THE C NEWBURY.
I THINK EVERYONE'S REALLY GONNA LIKE HIM.
HE, HE'S SUPER SMART, BUT HE, HE, UH, HAS A GREAT SENSE OF HUMOR AND HE'S DONE THIS FOR A LONG TIME.
AND, UM, HE WAS ABLE TO WHIP UP THREE OR FOUR SETS OF ORDINANCES OF COMMUNITIES OUR SIZE AND IT PLACES WITH HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND THE WATERFRONT CHALLENGES IN THE FLOOD ZONE AND WAS NOT INTIMIDATED AT ALL AND JUST NAILED IT.
UM, I'VE WORKED WITH HIM ON SEVERAL OTHER PROJECTS ELSEWHERE.
HE COMES UP WITH A GOOD PRODUCT AND WE WERE ALSO ABLE TO NEGOTIATE INTO THE CONTRACT THAT ONCE THIS ORDINANCE IS ADOPTED, UM, TRAINING SESSIONS FOR THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN AND THIS BOARD ON HOW TO USE AND APPLY THE ORNAMENTS IN CONGRUENCE WITH STATE LAW, WHICH IS GONNA BE AWESOME.
AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN KIND OF MAKE AN ONBOARDING BOOK.
SO AS WE, UM, CIRCLE MEMBERS ON AND OFF, IT, IT, IT'S MUCH EASIER, I HOPE.
SO WE'RE EXCITED TO GET STARTED.
NEXT YEAR I'LL PROBABLY BE ALL DESPONDENT LIKE, OH, WE'RE SO STUCK ON THIS SECTION.
THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES, UM, IN THAT ORDINANCE WITH STREETS AND INGRESS AND EGRESS POINTS AND UM, SUBDIVISION GUARANTEES AND THINGS THAT HAVE JUST NOT BEEN UPDATED IN SO LONG.
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GONNA BE A, A NICE SHINY NEW, EASY TO USE ORDINANCE.AND IT'S ALSO GONNA BE SEARCHABLE AND EASIER TO NAVIGATE AND EASIER TO MODIFY.
'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA TAKE IT OUT OF THE MUNI CODE SYSTEM WITH ALL THE LAWS AND IT WILL REFERENCE OUR LAND USE ORDINANCE WOULD TAKE YOU TO ANOTHER LINK THAT, SO IT'LL BE MUCH MORE EFFICIENT AND COST EFFECTIVE TO KEEP IT UPDATED.
BECAUSE THE SECOND, IF SOMETHING GETS ADOPTED BY THE ORDER OF ALDER BOARD OF ALDERMAN, WE'LL BE ABLE TO GO IN AT A STAFF LEVEL AND ADMINISTRATIVELY UPDATED.
AND THERE'S NOT THIS SIX MONTH LAG, LIKE WHEN YOU'RE SEARCHING WITH, ON THE MUNI CODE WITH ALL THE OTHER LAWS.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT TOO.
AND THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF GRAPHICS AND PICTURES AND INTENSE STATEMENTS.
SO WHEN THIS BOARD HASN'T FACED IT TOO MUCH YET, BUT SOMETIMES PEOPLE CAN COME AND ASK TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCE JUST LIKE THEY CAN ASK TO CHANGE THE ZONING MAP.
HAVING REALLY GOOD DEFINITIONS AND INTENT STATEMENTS BEHIND SECTIONS OF THE ORDINANCE IS GONNA HELP BECAUSE IT WILL BE CLEAR WHAT WE, WHAT WE INTENDED.
EVEN IF THE WORDS ARE NOT EXACTLY RIGHT, IF THINGS ESCALATE, YOU CAN GO BACK TO THAT.
THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT, THAT'S LACKING HERE.
UM, BUT WON'T BE FOR LONG, SO, OKAY.
IF YOU GUYS CAN'T TELL SHE'S ALL ABOUT IT,
I CAN TELL SHE'S ALL ABOUT IT.
SO, UM, AND WITH THAT I'LL ENTERTAIN A, A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, FAVOR SAY AYE.
ALL OPPOSED? WE ARE ADJOURNED MAN.