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WORK SESSION.NOT A REGULAR MEETING, BUT A WORK SESSION, UH, TO ORDER THIS MORNING.
AND, UM, DO I HAVE A LIST FOR ROLL CALL OR DO YOU WANT ME TO JUST, JOHN HARSON.
WELL, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CONSIDER ADVISING THE AGENDA TO MOVE ITEM FOUR TO, UH, UP AND MOVE ITEM THREE TO ITEM FOUR.
UM, I WOULD ASK, UM, THAT YOU, UH, VOTE AGAINST THIS FOR THE, FOR THE TIME MEETING SO THAT I CAN ALLOW FOSTER TO, UH, MAKE SOME COMMENTS TO THIS GROUP.
UH, AND AS WELL AS, UM, JUST FOLLOWING WHAT WE DISCUSSED AT OUR LAST MEETING, UM, ABOUT, UH, THE LIST WE RECEIVED, WHICH WAS THE CITY'S LIST THAT THEY, UH, RECEIVED FROM STAKEHOLDERS, VOTED AND WERE POLLED.
THE INNER COURT WAS THE NUMBER ONE ITEM THAT THEY RECEIVED BASED ON THE INPUT OF THE, UH, MEMBERS OF THE MSD.
NOT THIS MEMBERSHIP, BUT, UH, AS THEY WERE TRYING TO DEVELOP THIS CREW.
AND IT HAS A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACETS.
ALL IT IS IS A REVIEW AND INFORMATION DECISIONS, KNOWING ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO I WOULD ASK THAT YOU WOULD NOT CHANGE THE AGENDA FROM WHAT IT IS.
AND AGAIN, WE NEED THAT, UM, UH, FOSTER SPEAK.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE COMMENTS? OKAY.
WITH WITH, I JUST, I I THINK YOU CAN PRIORITIZE ANYTHING UNTIL WE TALK ABOUT IT.
SO SOME OF THESE LITTLE MORE SELF EVIDENCE, FRANKLY.
BUT I MEAN, MY CONCERN RELATED TO TIME, AGAIN, THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, A 90 MINUTE SESSION.
I WAS CONCERNED THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO ACTUALLY FULLY EVALUATE THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE LIST.
AND, UM, WE'RE NOT FULLY EVALUAT.
WE'LL HAVE FURTHER WORK SESSIONS.
THAT WAS THE IDEA TO HAVE MANY WORK SESSIONS, BECAUSE WE NEED TO EVALUATE EACH OF THEM.
BUT THE PRIORITIZATION WAS TO SAY, LET'S, THE ORIGINAL LIST WE GOT, LET'S REMOVE THIS, LET'S REMOVE THAT, OR LET'S ADD TO IT.
I ALSO FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST IN PLACE SOME KIND OF WORKING PROCESS BY WHICH WE'RE DETERMINING HOW, WHY ARE WE REMOVING THESE, PERHAPS OUR FIRST RECOMMENDATION TO THE ULTIMATE NEEDS TO BE, WE HAVE REVIEWED THIS LIST AND BASED ON X REASON, WE FEEL LIKE THESE WOULD BE BETTER SERVED BY THE CITY AS AS OPPOSED TO THE M MSD.
AND, AND I, I, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT AT ALL.
I JUST THINK THAT WE CAN, THIS BEING PROBABLY THE MOST INVOLVED, THE MOST, UH, THE LARGEST ONE THAT HAS BEEN ON THE M MS SD PLATE FOR BANK YEARS, RIGHT.
THAT WE NEED TO EITHER WORK WITH IT, NOT WORK WITH IT, REVISE IT, OR HOWEVER WE'RE GONNA DO THAT.
'CAUSE IT'S BEEN ON, ON THE DOCKET FOR MANY YEARS AND WE NEED TO DECIDE TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE A LIST OF A VARIETY OF OTHER OPTIONS HERE.
OUR, OUR, OUR PROPOSED PROJECTS.
AND WE SHOULD ALSO BE LOOKING AT, ARE WE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THE SHORT TERM PROJECTS THAT WE CAN GET DONE QUICKLY RIGHT AWAY? ALL, ALL OF THE ABOVE.
BUT WE CAN HAVE ANOTHER WORK SESSION NEXT WEEK.
AND WE'RE NOT ON A TIME SCHEDULE.
SO AGAIN, I JUST SORT OF FELT LIKE WE WERE PUSHING THIS A LITTLE QUICKLY WITHOUT HAVING REVIEWED THE OTHER OPTIONS OF THE OTHER PROJECT SUGGESTIONS MY, AND, AND APPRECIATE AND WELL SPOKEN.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? UH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, WE HAVE A MOTION, WE HAVE A SECOND AND I'M GOING TO CALL THE RULE.
OKAY, FOSTER? YEAH, SO I'D LIKE TO, A COUPLE THINGS.
ONE, UH, THE INFORMATION YOU IMPACTED ON THE MSD PROPOSED PROJECTS, WHICH WE ALSO DISCUSSED AT, AT THE INAUGURAL MEETING, BUT WHAT, BASICALLY A LOT OF THOSE THINGS WERE CREATED BY STAFF AND IT WAS ALSO CREATED BY THE PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT WE HELD.
AND SEVERAL OF YOU ATTENDED THOSE THAT WERE HELD AT CITY HALL.
UM, WHAT WAS RANKED IN TERMS OF ONE TO 10 WAS BASED ON THE POLLING THAT WE
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DID DURING THOSE MEETINGS.SO, UM, NO RHYME REASON OTHER THAN THAT'S WHAT WE RECEIVED.
SO IT IS REALLY GONNA BE UP TO, UM, THIS ADVISORY TO ADMIT TO DETERMINE THE PROJECTS THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN RECOMMENDING TO THE GOVERNING BOARD.
UH, ALSO AT THE LAST MEETING, UH, THE CHAIRMAN ALSO BROUGHT UP THAT SHE RECOMMENDED EACH ONE OF YOU BRING AT LEAST TWO PROJECTS BACK FOR, FOR DISCUSSION.
SO YOU'LL BE DOING THAT SHORTLY AS WELL.
ANOTHER THING I WANNA REMIND YOU IS THAT WE DO FOLLOW THE MEETINGS LAWS.
UH, THAT INCLUDES ELECTRONIC, UH, COMMUNICATION.
SO WE ASK THAT YOU REFRAIN FROM EMAILING ONE ANOTHER IN, IN GROUPS.
UH, SO WHEN YOU GET THE AGENDA OUT, THAT'S THAT'S THERE FOR YOU TO, TO LOOK AT.
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, FEEL FREE TO CALL ME.
YOU CAN REACH OUT TO THE CHAIRMAN.
BUT REALLY THAT NEEDS TO BE INDIVIDUAL.
EITHER PHONE COMMUNICATION OR IT COULD BE AN EMAIL STRAIGHT BACK AND FORTH IF YOU'D LIKE.
PREFER HAVING SMALL GROUP MEETINGS TO DISCUSS SOME THINGS.
YOU CAN DO THAT, BUT WE DON'T WANT HAVE AN ONGOING COMMUNICATION, UH, VIA EMAIL WITH EVERYONE.
SO JUST LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT AS WELL.
EVERYBODY UNDER UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS DON'T REPLY ALL WHEN YOU'RE REPLYING TO AN EMAIL.
'CAUSE IT CONSTITUTES A QUORUM.
AND WE'RE BASICALLY HAVING A MEETING, UM, GUILTY.
SO THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED.
WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
I MEAN, NOT, NOT UNLESS WE'RE IN A, WE WE'RE IN A CALL WE TO ORDER.
IF IT'S QUORUM, THAT'S FOR PUBLIC MEETING LAWS.
IF WE'RE DISCUSSING SOMETHING, THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE, UM, AWARE OF THAT ONE.
THE ONE ON ONE EMAILS ARE PERFECTLY FINE COMMUNICATION YOU WANT, BUT, BUT THE GROUP ITSELF SHOULD REFRAIN FROM DOING THAT.
AND JUST REMIND, YOU KNOW, WE ARE PUBLIC BODY.
UM, OUR AGENDA AND OUR MINUTES ARE, WOULD BE POSTED ON THE WEBSITE.
UM, YOU KNOW, OUR GOAL HERE IS FOR EVERYONE YOU SPEAK AND WE WILL BE, WE WILL HAVE THAT.
UM, AND WE, WE MUST NOT VIOLATE MEETING AS ALL.
SO, UM, JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND ALL OF THAT.
UM, BRING MATT SOMETHING TO THAT.
UM, MY CONCERN WITH GETTING A FILE, I'M MORE HAPPY TO TALK TO ANYONE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT ANYTHING, BUT WE GET BOGG DOWN AND END UP TALKING ABOUT EMAILS AND MEETINGS IF PEOPLE, THE FILE DECISION THEY HAVE.
SO I RECOMMEND YOU HAVE AN IDEA OR A THOUGHT MAYBE JO DOWN FOR THE NEXT MEETING INSTEAD OF FILE.
DO I NEED TO BE SWORN I WASN'T NOT HERE LAST YOU HEAR? YES, WE DID.
WE'LL HAVE TO GET THE, THE CLERK OR CAN YOU DO THAT? BUT WE'RE GLAD YOU'RE HERE TODAY.
UM, WHEN, UM, OFFICER COMES BACK IN, BECAUSE WE GET NIKKI SWORN IN, UM, YOU'VE GOT THE ABILITY TO SEE ON YOUR SCREEN IN FRONT OF YOU.
THE AUDIENCE ALSO HAS THE ABILITY TO SEE ON THE SCREEN.
AND WHAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU IS A, UM, A COPY OF THE INNER CORE AND IT PROPERTY OWNERS AS IT STANDS TODAY.
AND SO YOU CAN TRY TO FOLLOW THE RED LINES A LITTLE BIT AND YOU CAN SEE THOSE ARE THE PROPERTY LINES FOR, FOR EVERYONE.
UM, YOU PROBABLY HAVE A COPY, UH, BUT YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE CRAVEN STREET LEFT HAND SIDE IS THE MIDDLE STREET.
I CAN'T SEE THE FULL ONE DOWN ON THIS, BUT UM, WOULD BE SOUTH FRONT STREET.
UM, ON THE, ON THE BOTTOM PORTION OF THAT, THE RED PORTION IN THE MIDDLE WITH ALL THE LINES IS WHAT THE CITY OF NEWBURG OWNS.
SO THAT IS CURRENTLY THE PUBLIC PROPERTY.
SO YOU SEE IN BETWEEN THE MORGANS PARKING LOT, UM, ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO BEAR PLAZA.
AND YOU CAN TRY TO SEE THE OVERLAY, YOU CAN SEE THE TREES, UM, IN WHERE THE CITY IS AND OH BEAR.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THE CITY THERE ALSO TOO, YOU CAN SEE UP AT THE TOP, JAMES REED LANE IS THE OTHER PORTION THAT THE CITY OWNS.
AND THEN IN THE YELLOW, IF YOU'LL SEE THE YELLOW PORTION THAT GOES FROM GRAY STREET TO MIDDLE STREET, THAT'S WHAT WAS KNOWN AS FEDERAL ALLEY OR IS CALLED FEDERAL ALLEY TODAY.
AND BASICALLY WHAT THAT WAS YEARS AGO WAS THE TRASH STREET.
THAT'S WHERE THE TRASH TRUCK WOULD
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ACCESS AND GO UP AND DOWN AND PICK UP TRASH.SO THAT'S WHAT THAT ALLEYWAY IS FROM.
AND THAT CONNECTS, IT GOES THROUGH THE PARKING LOT, CONNECTS TO A SMALL LITTLE ALLEY THAT YOU CAN SEE IN BETWEEN TOM COINS AND, UM, THEY MET MOORE'S PROPERTY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN THERE NOW.
SHE'S GOT SOME OTHER COMPANIES IN THERE NOW.
AND THEN IT GOES ALL THE WAY IN BETWEEN MORGANS AND I BELIEVE HARRY'S IS ON THE OTHER SIDE.
SO YOU CAN, UM, THERE'S THAT ACCESS THERE.
SO CURRENTLY THAT IS AN EASEMENT.
YOU CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IS THAT AN EASEMENT FOR FEDERAL ALLEY? BECAUSE IT IS NOT MARKED AS CITY PROPERTY'S A RIGHT OF A RIGHT, RIGHT.
DO YOU WANNA DO IT THERE? I CAN DO IT HERE.
UNLESS YOU WORKING ON BIBLE RAISE YOUR RIGHT AND YOU CAN SAY I DO OR I'LL, I'M NIKKI MILLER.
DO SOLEMNLY AFFIRM THAT I'LL FAITHFULLY AND PARTIALLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES OF THE MEMBER OF MUNICIPAL SERVICE DISTRICT ADVISORY COMMITTEE OF THE CITY OF NEWBURG AND ALL THINGS ACCORDING TO LONGING TO THE BEST VIABILITY.
I'M MILLER DO SOLEMNLY AND SINCERELY AFFIRM THAT I'LL SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, BUT I'LL BE FAITHFUL OF YOUR TRUE ALLEGIANCE TO THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA AND TO THE CONSTITUTIONAL POWERS AND AUTHORITIES, WHICH ARE OR MAY BE ESTABLISHED FOR THE GOVERNMENT THEREOF.
AND THAT I'LL ENDEAVOR TO SUPPORT, MAINTAIN, AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION UP TO THE STATE, NOT INCONSISTENT WITH THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE AND ABILITY.
LEMME JUST SIGN THAT THAT WAS A LONGER OATH WHEN I JOINED THE ARMY TODAY,
AND BEFORE THE CHAIR STARTS BACK, I'LL REMIND YOU, PLEASE, IF YOU HAVE TO ADJUST YOUR MICROPHONES AND SPEAKING TO THE MIC WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING.
OKAY, SO LET'S GET BACK TO THE, WHAT THE ORIGINAL LOOKED LIKE.
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT YOU CAN SEE.
AND YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE MAIN ISSUE HERE IS THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE INNER COURT REALLY IS PRIVATELY HELD.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE TAKEAWAY WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND IT IS PRIVATELY OWNED.
UM, 42 YEARS AGO, AS YOU READ IN THAT ARTICLE, UM, ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS WERE WILLING TO LET THE CITY, SO MSD FUNDS PAID THE PARKING SPACES YOU SEE NOW.
AND THE UTILITIES WERE PAID FOR BY MSD.
SO WE PAID FOR ALL OF THE ORIGINAL PARKING LOT.
AND I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE IT WAS A 20 YEAR LEASE.
PAUL, DO YOU REMEMBER, WAS IT A 20 YEAR LEASE? I BELIEVE IT WAS 20 YEARS THAT THE ORIGINAL, I THINK IT WAS A 10 YEAR LEASE.
IT WAS A 10, I BELIEVE SO 82, 92.
AND NO, I REALLY THINK IT WAS, IT WAS 20 BECAUSE IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS IS WHEN ALL THE UPHEAVAL STARTED HAPPENING.
I THOUGHT IT WAS, IT WAS A 20 YEAR.
AND, UM, SO WHEN THOSE LEASES EXPIRED, EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, THE PARKING LOT DID WHAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO DO.
IT HELPED PEOPLE ENCOURAGE, IT HELPED TO ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT OF THE BACKSIDES OF BUILDINGS.
IT, YOU KNOW, INCREASED VALUE OF BUILDINGS.
AND SO THEREFORE THE PROPERTY OWNERS WERE NOT WILLING TO HAVE IT AS AN OPEN PARKING LOT.
AND THAT'S WHAT IT WAS BACK THEN.
NO ONE HAD ASSIGNED PARKING SPACES.
IT WAS JUST OPEN FOR THE PUBLIC TO USE.
SO THAT, THAT'S THE GENERAL SCHEME OF THAT.
SO AGAIN, ANY, ANY COMMENT QUESTIONS? OKAY, ONE, ONE COMMENT I HAVE OR OR QUESTION IS, UM, I SUSPECT THERE ARE PROBABLY EASEMENTS BACK THERE FOR VARIOUS UTILITIES.
AND WHAT RIGHTS MIGHT THERE BE TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THOSE EASEMENTS, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF STORMS WHO ARE STRUCTURED BACK THERE, AND I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THE CITY OPERATES UNDER AN MS FOUR PERMIT, UM, OR STORM WATER, UM, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE EPA AND SO FORTH.
AND THERE ARE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS, UM, FOR THAT MS FOUR PERMIT, AND THERE MIGHT BE A WAY TO, UM, UTILIZE SOME NEEDS THAT THE CITY HAS TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS AND
SO, SO THERE ARE WATER SEW, ELECTRICAL AND STORM
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WATER EASEMENT THROUGHOUT THERE WHERE THEY ARE.WE, WE'D HAVE TO ACTUALLY PULL UP SOME OF THE SURVEYS FROM THE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS TO BE ABLE TO PIECE THAT TOGETHER, BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY ONE SURVEY ON THAT, THAT ENTIRE PARTIAL.
BUT THERE ARE, THERE ARE SEVERAL EASEMENTS.
SO WOULD IT BE A GOOD IDEA TO, UM, HAVE A NEW SURVEY, UM, SO THAT WE KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE EASEMENTS ARE, THE RIGHT OF WAYS, UM, THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS, UM, WHERE THE TRUE PROPERTY LINES ARE? I MEAN, ARE WE AT THAT POINT? I DON'T THINK YOU'RE AT THAT POINT YET.
UH, WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS WE PRICED OUT A SURVEY FOR THAT ENTIRE AREA, UH, ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
IT'S GONNA BE $30,000 TO DO THAT.
I THINK YOU NEED TO ON, ON WHATEVER IT IS.
YOU MAY BE INTERESTED IN THE INTER COURT BEFORE WE GET TO THAT POINT, UM, WITH, WITH THE SURVEY, THEN WE MIGHT IN DIFFERENT LEVELS OF SURVEYS, UM, AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT LEVEL THAT WAS, IF IT WAS JUST LIKE A, A FULL BLOWN ALT SURVEY OR YOU COULD JUST DO A, A SURVEY BASED ON COURTHOUSE RESEARCH, WHICH JUST GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF, OF WHERE EASEMENTS MIGHT BE, BUT IT'S NOT A STAMPED SURVEY, YOU KNOW.
SO, UM, MAYBE DIFFERENT, A LOWER LEVEL MIGHT COME.
AND I GUESS THIS IS A GIS BASIC, THE LINES AND EVERYTHING ARE FROM GIS.
AND YOU KNOW, AND, AND AGAIN, SOME OF THE ISSUES ARE, IF YOU LOOK WHERE THE CITY PROPERTY IS, UH, BEAR PLAZA, IF YOU LOOK OVER IT ABOVE IT, YOU CAN SEE THE TREES.
CAN YOU SEE THE CARS, CARS PARKED THERE IN THAT CORNER.
SO YOU HAVE, YOU GOT THE, THE POINTER THERE.
UM, YOU'VE HEARD UP, UP, UP WHERE I'M TALKING ABOUT THE SPACES THAT THE CONDOS ARE USING.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT HERE BEHIND THE UPSTAIRS? NO, BEHIND.
YOU'RE GONNA GO UP A LITTLE FURTHER RIGHT THERE, THAT CITY PROPERTY RIGHT THERE AND THOSE, BUT THAT'S WHERE THE CONDOS PARK, THE UPSTAIRS CONDOS FOR, UM, THE MIDDLE STREET CONDOS.
SO THEY, IN ACTUARY, YOU KNOW, IN ACTUALITY THEY'RE REALLY CITY PROPERTY.
THEY'RE NOT ON THEIR PROPERTY YET.
WHEN YOU BUY A CONDO, YOU GET A PARKING SPACE.
WAS THAT DEED TO WELL, IT'S NOT ON THE DEED BECAUSE I ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, ONE TIME STEVEN, I OWNED ONE OF THE CONDOS UP THERE AND WE CHAT, AND IT'S NOT IN THE DEED, BUT THEY TELL YOU WHEN YOU BUY THE CONDO THAT YOU GET PARKING SPACE.
REALLY? AND WE NEVER REALLY, BUT IT'S NOT ON THEIR DEED.
IT IS NOT ON THEIR, BECAUSE IT IS NOT THEIR PROPERTY ON CITY PROPERTY.
BUT IN THE DEED, DOES IT SAY YOU HAVE A PARKING SPACE? NO.
IT JUST OUTLINES THE FOOTPRINTS OF THE CONDO.
SO ANYWAY, YOU KNOW, NOW, SO THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF, LOT OF ISSUES.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT AN EASY FIX.
THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO POINT OUT WHAT CURRENTLY IS THERE.
AND WE CAN HAVE CONCEPTS ALL DAY LONG.
BUT THIS IS THE REALITY OF WHAT WE'RE WORKING, WE'RE WORKING ON.
SO WHAT WE HAVE NEXT, AND WE WANTED TO REVIEW, SO, UH, PROBABLY AROUND 2000.
SO IT WAS IN 2018, IS THAT CORRECT, LYNN? YOU MIGHT COULD HELP.
'CAUSE THIS CAME FROM A, A WORKING GROUP OF SWISS BAY, MSD AND, AND CITY OFFICIALS.
2016, 16 IS WHEN WE STARTED IT.
UM, WHAT WE, WHAT THEY DID IS THEY CAME TOGETHER AND, UM, HAD, WAS IT NINE OR 10 CONCEPTS THAT THEY BROUGHT TOGETHER? I'M GONNA LET YOU GIVE THE, YOU KNOW, UPDATE OR LAND.
CAN YOU COME OVER? HI, FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW ME, EMILY, I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR SWISS BEAR.
SO IN 2016 WAS THE START OF TRYING TO CLEAN UP SOME OF THE, UM, GARBAGE SITUATION IN THE BACK AREA OF THE
UM, AND AT THAT SAME TIME, UM, AS WE WERE DOING THAT, BECAUSE IT WAS REALLY VERY EXTENSIVE, UM, AND TRYING TO DO SOME CONSOLIDATION, UM, UH, BILLY BERRY AND A COUPLE PEOPLE WHO WERE AT NVF VERY KINDLY, UM, AGREED TO, TO JUST DO SEVERAL DIFFERENT CONCEPTS, UM, ALONG WITH THE WORKING COMMITTEE TO BEGIN TO COME UP WITH THE IDEA OF WHAT THE INNER CORE COULD POSSIBLY BECOME AT SOME POINT IN TIME.
SO WHAT IT WAS THEN AND HOW IT IS TODAY.
UM, SO THERE WAS, I WANNA SAY THERE WERE ABOUT SEVEN OR EIGHT PEOPLE SITTING IN THE, UM, INITIAL GROUP.
AND, UM, AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE WERE TWO PEOPLE FROM
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UM, DEVELOPED NINE POTENTIAL CONCEPTS THAT, UM, THAT WE HAVE.SABRINA HAS THE RECORD OF IT, I HAVE IT AS WELL.
I'M VERY HAPPY TO SHARE WITH ANYBODY.
UM, AND, UM, NINE DIFFERENT CONCEPTS.
AND THEN THAT GROUP AT THE END OF IT LOOKED AT THOSE NINE CONCEPTS AND THERE WERE THREE CONCEPTS THAT WERE, UM, SELECTED AS THE PREFERRED CONCEPTS.
AND, AND SOME OF THESE CONCEPTS ARE HAVING, UM, THE DUMPSTERS IN LOCATIONS THAT ARE PRIVATELY OWNED.
SO, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT THAT WOULD CERTAINLY HAVE TO BE WORKED THROUGH.
UM, AND THESE ARE JUST CONCEPTS.
THESE ARE JUST BEGINNING WORKING CONCEPTS TO START TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP A MORE FORMALIZED PLAN.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS TRYING TO ACHIEVE, IN ADDITION TO CONSOLIDATION OF DUMPSTERS FOR THE USE OF BUSINESSES AND, AND RESIDENTS THAT, UM, HAVE PROPERTIES SURROUNDING THAT INTERCOURSE WAS ALSO TO CREATE THE MIDBLOCK CONNECTOR.
UM, THE TWO AND 300 BLOCKS OF FAMILY STREET AND MIDDLE STREET ARE, ARE PRETTY LONG BLOCKS.
UM, I THINK SOMETIMES IT CAN BE A BIT OF A DETERRENT.
WE BELIEVE BELIEVED THEN, AND WE BELIEVE NOW THAT IT WILL HELP WITH GETTING ADDITIONAL, UM, RETAIL ONTO
AND THEN IT WOULD GO THROUGH TO THE AREA THAT'S BETWEEN WHERE THE PILLOW'S, UM, HOME IS AND WHERE, UM, UH, MORGAN'S IS AS WELL.
AND THERE IS A LITTLE WALKWAY THERE, BUT IT'S A VERY IMPRACTICAL, PEOPLE REALLY DON'T USE IT WHEN PEOPLE CUT THROUGH THAT AREA.
THEY'RE USUALLY WALKING THROUGH PARKING LOTS, WHICH IS NOT EXACTLY THE SAFEST THING FOR A PEDESTRIAN TO BE, TO BE DOING.
IT'S A VERY ACTIVE PARKING LOT.
SO WE BELIEVE IT WOULD BE SAFER OVERALL FOR, UM, PUBLIC SAFETY TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A CONNECTOR AS WELL.
PLUS, DEPENDING ON HOW IT'S DESIGNED, GIVES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME, UH, EVENT PLANNING ON THAT SECTION TOO, WHERE YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME MUSIC VENUES.
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE CAN DO IN A WELL PRE PUBLIC SPACE.
SO, UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
I BELIEVE THAT SABRINA, HAVE YOU SHARED THE THREE PREFERRED CONCEPTS? THEY, THEY'VE GOTTEN 'EM IN THEIR PACKETS AND THEN WE'RE GONNA REVIEW THEM TODAY.
BUT YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS IS THE CURRENT, HOW IT WAS CURRENTLY DESIGNED.
UM, IF YOU LOOK, YOU CAN SEE THE, UH,
AND THAT'S WHY WE DID CONSOLIDATIONS.
WE HAD TRASH CAN OVER THERE TO THE LEFT.
WE HAD TRASH CANS BACK ON THIS SIDE.
I MEAN, THERE WERE TRASH DUMPSTERS EVERYWHERE, PLUS ALL THE RESIDENTIAL CARTS.
THERE WERE NINE DUMPSTERS AND OVER 70 BINS ROLLOUT BINS THAT WERE IN THAT BACK AREA AT THAT TIME.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DID THE FIRST CONSOLIDATION AND, AND THE RESULT OF THAT YOU'LL SEE IS THE, THE FOUR PARKING SPACES FOSTER MOVE YOU LITTLE, UH, THE CLICKER.
UM, I WAS GONNA SHOW THAT THAT'S WHERE THE, UH, DUMPSTERS CURRENTLY ARE AT RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S WHERE THE DUMPSTERS ARE CURRENTLY AT RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND AGAIN, FOR ME PERSONALLY, I, I FEEL THAT FOR THE PATRONS AT MORTGAGE, YOU'RE SITTING OUTSIDE OF THAT BEAUTIFUL OUTDOOR SPACE THEY HAD AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT DUMPSTERS.
SO THAT WAS NEVER MY FAVORITE SPOT.
YOU KNOW, I PREFERRED 'EM TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING PRIVATE PROPERTY.
HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE BRING EVERYONE TOGETHER AND WORK TOGETHER TO BENEFIT ALL OF OUR PROPERTIES? AND THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL THOUGHT PROCESS WHEN MSD, THIS WAS ONE OF THEIR VERY FIRST PROJECTS WHEN THEY DID THAT.
IT WAS, YOU KNOW, FOR THE BENEFIT OF EVERYBODY AND EVERYBODY DID BENEFIT BY IT BECAUSE IT WAS A GREAT SPACE IN THE BACK AND IT HELPED, UH, BUILD OUR DARE TAG.
I MEAN, WE WOULDN'T HAVE WHAT WE HAVE TODAY IF WE DIDN'T START SOMEWHERE.
WE'D LIKE TO, TO TRY TO CONTINUE TO, TO WORK THIS SPACE.
SO LET'S LOOK AT THE THREE CONCEPTS AGAIN, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT WAS LOOKED AT.
IF YOU NOTE THERE'S CURRENTLY A, THERE WAS CURRENTLY 168 SPACES IN THIS AREA.
AND THE AREA IS STRETCHED FROM IT'S MICHAEL RAIN'S PARKING AREA BEHIND THE, THE LOT ONES TRYING TO HOUSE MAP.
AND THEY ARE ALL THE WAY OVER TO MORGANS AND BACK.
SO THIS ENTIRE AREA, WE'RE TALKING 168 SPACES WHERE YOU SEE EVERYTHING IN THE GRAY.
AND THAT'S A, A EXISTING 3D VIEW.
SO THIS WAS CONCEPT A AND THIS CONCEPT CAME
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TOGETHER AND IT BROUGHT TWO ADDITIONAL SPACES.AND I WANNA PREFACE THAT THIS WAS DONE PRIOR TO THE POLOS COMPLETING WHAT THEY HAD DONE IN, IN THEIR BACK AREA, UH, BEFORE WE DECIDED TO PUT THE DUMPSTER.
SO THEN THIS WAS 2018 WHEN THEY WERE FINISHED, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS, AND THESE ARE THE THREE, WE LIKE THIS ONE.
WE HAD A FLOOD
AND THAT'S WHERE IT, SO, SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT IT WITH AN OPEN MIND.
ONE OF THE, THE CON IN THE CONCEPTS THAT CAME OUT OF THE GROUP MEETINGS WAS THAT WE PROVIDE SOME KIND OF SPACE FOR, UH, DELIVERIES AND LOADING ZONES.
'CAUSE ONE OF THE ISSUES IN THIS AREA IS THAT WE HAVE MANY RESTAURANTS AND THEY'RE GETTING DELIVERIES EARLY IN THE MORNING, DURING THE DAY.
AND YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNOW WHEN THERE'S BIG DELIVERY TRUCKS ON MIDDLE STREET, P*****K STREET, YOU KNOW, CRA THE STREET, IT BACKS UP THE TRAFFIC.
IT'S NOT SAFE, YOU GO AROUND IT.
SO HAVING A LOADING ZONE OR A LOADING AREA WE THOUGHT WAS IMPORTANT IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS.
SO, AND, AND THE WALKWAY BEING THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.
SO YOU SEE WHERE THE WALKWAY'S DRAWN IN THE MIDDLE, A LOADING ZONE OVER TO THE RIGHT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF CONNECTOR TO GET INTO FAIR PLAZA.
SO I WANNA GO TO A POINT THAT MICHAEL LEE MADE AT THE LAST MEETING.
UM, AND THAT WAS ABOUT GREG'S, UH, SCULPTURE.
SO THAT WAS PART 'CAUSE HE HAD HAD PASSED AT THAT POINT WHEN WE WERE FINALIZING THIS, AND WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT IT WOULD BE AT THE FRONT.
'CAUSE WE THOUGHT IT WAS CLOSE TO MITCHELL'S, IT COULD BE THERE.
BUT AGAIN, SWISS FAIR HAS THE MONEY AND THE FUNDS.
IT WOULD BE AN MSD PROJECT, IT WOULD BE A PROJECT THROUGH SWISS BAY, I BELIEVE AFTER THIS PASSING, THERE WERE DONATIONS THAT WERE, THAT WERE MADE.
AND, UM, SOME OF THOSE, THE BULK OF THOSE DONATIONS ACTUALLY WENT TO THE SCULPTURE ITSELF.
BUT THERE'S, UH, I CAN'T TELL YOU THE EXACT AMOUNT, BUT IT'S A COUPLE THOUSAND DOLLARS ROUGHLY.
UM, THAT REMAINS IN A RESTRICTED ACCOUNT WITH SWISS BEAR THAT, UM, THE INTENTION FOR THAT IS TO USE THAT PERMANENT MOUNTING OUTSIDE.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD REQUIRE ANY MSD FUNDS.
I THINK THAT THOSE FUNDS, UM, THAT SWISS BEAR HAS A VERY RESTRICTED ACCOUNT, PROBABLY COVERED THAT ASPECT OF IT.
AND THE LAST THING, HONESTLY, I'M SO SORRY, BUT I HAVE PREVIOUSLY SCHEDULED APPOINTMENT THAT I'M GOING TO HAVE TO LEAVE NOW.
BUT I DO WANNA POINT OUT THAT YOU WOULD ALSO, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE, UM, THE DRAWING, UM, AND I THINK ALL THE DRAWINGS ARE BASICALLY VERY SIMILAR TO THIS.
UM, YOU'LL SEE, CAN YOU PUT YOUR
THEY'RE OWNED BY THE SAME INDIVIDUAL.
UM, WHEN, WHEN EMMY F WAS WORKING ON THESE CONCEPTS, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY WERE ALSO TRYING TO DO WAS TRY TO KEEP IT AS CLOSE TO A NET ZERO AS POSSIBLE.
IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, YOU CAN SEE, UH, A PLUS TWO IN THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER, IT SAYS 170 SPACES.
BEFORE IT WAS 160, THEY WERE ABLE TO GET AN ADDITION TO PARKING SPACES IN THIS BAG AREA.
BUT THE OTHER THING THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO DO, IF WE CAN WORK THIS OUT, IS TO CHANGE THE CUT LINE OF THE CURB.
UM, SO BEFORE, AS IT STANDS NOW, THERE'S A LITTLE ISLAND THAT KIND OF STICKS OUT AND THERE'S A VERY OVERGROWN SHRUB AND IT'S ACTUALLY PRETTY DANGEROUS WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING BACK THERE.
YOUR, YOUR SIGHT LINE IS REALLY OBSTRUCTED BECAUSE OF THAT.
AND THE CONCEPT HERE IS TO, TO MAKE A CURVE THERE SO THAT, UM, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT OBSTRUCTION.
AND IT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT, UH, EASIER IN TERMS OF, UH, OF ENTERING AND EXITING THAT PARKING LOT FROM THE, UM, SOUTH FRONT STREET PARKING LOT.
UM, SO ANYWAY, I'M SO SORRY, BUT I DO HAVE TO NO, NO, THAT'S FINE.
UM, AND WHAT YOU SEE TOO, SEE THE TRUCKS, IT LOOKS LIKE TRUCKS IN HERE.
THEY WOULD BE FOR TRASH PICKUP.
SO THE, THE, THE ORANGE YELLOW, THEY, THIS CONCEPT WAS PROVIDING FOR TRASH CANS OVER HERE NEAR MORGAN'S PLUS ON THIS BACKSIDE HERE, AGAIN, THIS IS NOT MY PER PERSONAL PREFERENCE.
THIS WAS A CONCEPT THAT WAS SHOWN WHERE WE COULD GET 170 SPACES FROM THAT BY DOING THIS DESIGN.
AGAIN, MY CONCERN IS HOW DOES THAT TRUCK GET IN THERE AND GET THAT AND TRY TO SWING AROUND.
I THINK THIS HAS PROS AND CONS TO IT.
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BUT AGAIN, THESE ARE CONCEPTS TO GIVE US SOME VISUAL IDEA OF WHAT COULD POSSIBLY HAPPEN BACK THERE.AND, AND AGAIN, THIS COULD BE SCRAPPED AND I'VE HEARD OF SOME OTHER IDEAS IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS THAT I LIKE.
SO, UM, LET, LET'S JUST CONTINUE TO LOOK ON THIS.
SO LET'S LOOK AT THE NEXT CONCEPT, WHICH WILL BE CONCEPT B.
AND THIS IS 166 SPACES, WHICH IS TOO LESS THAN WHAT ORIGINALLY IS THERE.
SO WHAT YOU SEE A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN HERE, WE STILL HAVE THE, THE CONNECTOR, THE TRASH MOVES ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE OTHER SIDE.
SO THE, THE WHAT YOU SAW, THE GREEN SPACE, WHATEVER THAT'S CUT DOWN DRAMATICALLY.
WE'VE GOT, WHICH GIVES US MORE SPACE TO PUT, LOOKS LIKE FIVE DUMPSTERS IN THERE, WHICH DUMP SIX DAYS A WEEK, SHOULD TAKE CARE OF ALL OF THE INNER CORE.
IF YOU NOTICE, WE DON'T SEE THE LOADING ZONE ON HERE LIKE WE DID BEFORE WITH CHELSEA.
WE GET OUR DELIVERIES AT 3:00 AM IN THE MORNING.
SO ALL OF OUR FOOD IS DELIVERED BETWEEN THREE TO SIX O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
THE DUMPSTER GUYS IN THERE EARLY AS WELL.
BUT WHEN YOU'VE GOT SEVERAL, SO, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD HAVE FIVE, FIVE OR SIX BETWEEN BARS, RESTAURANTS, WHATEVER, IN THIS LITTLE COMPLEX YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF DELIVERIES, DUMPS, WHATEVER.
AND, AND MY CONCERN WITH THIS ONE IS THE TRASH IS THE FURTHEST AWAY FROM ALL THE RESTAURANTS ON THIS SIDE AND HAVING A
UM, AND IF THE TRUCK CAN GET BACK THERE, UM, I GUESS WE JUST HAVE TO HAVE AN EXTRA, VERY, VERY LONG HOSE, UH, TO RUN THROUGH THE RESTAURANT INSTEAD OF THROUGH THE BACK DOOR.
UM, BUT THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER CONSIDERATION.
PART OF CONSTRUCTING THE, UM, WHERE THE DUMPSTERS ARE, IS THAT WE PUT WATER AND HOOD SO THAT IT CAN BE CLEANED, THE DUMPSTERS CAN BE CLEANED OUT BECAUSE ONE OF THE ISSUES BACK THERE RIGHT NOW IS THERE'S A LOT OF MESS SOMETIMES BECAUSE BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THE CAMERAS, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE CAMERAS HAVE CAUGHT INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE NOT WORKING FOR A RESTAURANT OR ANYTHING ELSE SCREAMING THEIR TRASH AND DUMPING IT IN THE DUMPSTER.
SO A LOT OF THAT IS HAPPENING AS WELL.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE JUST TAKING ADVANTAGE OF BRINGING THEIR TRASH IN TAG HERE AND DUMPING IT IN THERE, WHICH SOMETIMES THEY JUST LEAVE ON THE SIDE, THE BAG BREAKS OPEN AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF MESS.
BUT WE HAD TWO THAT WAS ON THAT COMMITTEE.
IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, THIS CONCEPT BI THINK WAS THE LEAST POPULAR.
WE, WE HAD, I THINK YOU SAID NINE OR SO, WE ON THE TOP THREE, IF I CAN RECALL CORRECTLY, THIS WAS PROBABLY THE LEAST BECAUSE THEY PUT ALL THE TRASHCANS IN ONE LOCATION.
UM, AND, AND WE LOST TWO DARKENED SPACES.
UM, THERE WAS ANOTHER REASON I, I CAN'T REMEMBER.
I THINK BECAUSE THE, THE LOADING ZONE WAS S TAKING OUT, UM, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THIS NOT BEING OKAY AGAIN, YOU, SIR, THIS IS WHAT THIS REVIEW IS FOR, TO LIVING.
ALSO I AM, I'M CONSIDERING THE, UH, THE CONDO, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, THREE STORIES OF RESIDENTIAL PEOPLE AS WELL AS THE POLOS.
AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER BLOCK DEPARTMENT ABOVE, UM, THE PAINTER POND PLACE.
THERE'S A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL PEOPLE ON THIS SIDE.
IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO ME THAT, UM, THOSE CANS WOULD BE PROBABLY OVER TOWARDS YOUR SIDE BECAUSE THAT'S THE BULK OF THE RESTAURANTS.
THAT'S WHAT I WOULD JUST THINK, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, AT THAT, THAT'S GOOD THINKING.
WE CALL PEOPLE LOOKING AT TRASH CANS WITH OUTDOOR SEATING.
THAT'S, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERATION.
SOMETHING'S GOTTA BE BUILT AROUND IT.
YOU KNOW, THOSE, AND THESE ARE THE THINGS WE HAVE TO CONSIDER.
BUT, UM, AND YOU KNOW, REALLY THE, UM, I BELIEVE R'S UH, SO THE RESTAURANT ON THAT, THAT SIDE OF IT PLUS MJS, THEY HAVE DUMPSTERS BACK THERE IN THAT AREA.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE COMING BACK THERE.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE SOME NEED FOR DUMPSTERS.
SO ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, SOMEBODY'S COMING TO WALK.
NOW, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE THE CHELSEA, YOU HAVE TO WALK A LITTLE BIT, RIGHT? IT'S NOT AT YOUR BACK DOOR.
IT IS CENTRALLY IN THAT BACKYARD, THAT BACK AREA.
SO AGAIN, THESE ARE, THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT NEED CONSIDER LET, LET'S GO TO CONCEPT C.
CAN I ADD TWO THINGS QUICKLY? YES, SIR.
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IS THAT I WOULD NOTE THAT THERE'S NO REASON YOU COULDN'T PUT IN THAT LOADING ZONE.AND IF YOU STRUCTURED THAT WALKWAY WITH THE TREES AS SHOWN IN EXHIBIT A MM-HMM.
THE THING THAT'S CURIOUS ABOUT THIS ONE IS THEY DO HAVE AN EXTRA DUMPSTER BEHIND THREE 18, UH, FRONT, WHICH I THINK MUST BE THE A, B, C STORE.
THAT'S A AND THAT'S NOT A, IT'S A, UH, CARDBOARD THAT, THAT WAS NOT, NOT SHOWN CONCEPT A AND MAYBE THE OVERSIGHT WAS NOT PUTTING IT IN A RATHER THAN ADDED AND B.
ALRIGHT, CAN WE, DID WE, DID WE NEED THE GREEN SPACE IN? NO, THAT WAS JUST A FEATURE.
AND HERE'S CONCEPT C, WHICH ADDED ONE ONE SPACE 169.
SO NOW THE LOADING ZONE IS BACK THERE.
YOU CAN SEE IT'S REDESIGNED, UM, BACK BEHIND MORGANS.
SO THE, THE TRASH CANS AT AN ANGLE KIND OF INTERESTING AND THEN KIND OF PUTS MORE PARKING SPACES BACK IN THAT AREA.
UM, I'M TRYING TO SEE WHERE ELSE WOULD BE DIFFERENT.
UH, IT, IT STILL PUTS, IT PUTS THREE DUMPSTERS BACK ON THE, I WANNA CALL IT BRODY PROPERTY BACK THAT WAY.
UH, NOT DRAWING IT ALL THE WAY BACK LIKE WE SAW IN THE PREVIOUS ONE, BUT ALLOWING FOR SOME PARKING DATA.
HE'S GOT A GREASE STRAPP THAT REALLY DIFFERENT.
PAUL, WHAT NUMBER ARE YOU? 3 21.
YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT THERE PAST THE, UH, WE'VE GOT ONE AT THREE 13, THAT THREE 13 AS WELL.
DOES UH, THE SRAP PUMP THROUGH THE BACK OR THROUGH THE FRONT? DO THEY PARK IN THE BACK? THEY PARK THE BACK.
IT'S MUCH EASIER TO ACCESS THAT ONE.
AND THEN I'M SURE, UM, HARRY DEBATE
COMMERCIAL FISHING, THIS IS A LITTLE MISLEADING TO ME BECAUSE IT, THE WAY IT'S COLORED, ONE WOULD THINK THAT TRAFFIC COULD DRIVE DOWN FEDERAL ALLEY, BUT THAT IS NOT CORRECT.
I'D LIKE TO ADD, YOU'VE GOT A MIXTURE BETWEEN CITY OWNED PARKING, PRIVATELY OWNED PARKING, SOME OWNED BY CONDOS, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SOUND PARKING OR NOT, BUT ALL OF THE, ALL THE PARKING IS JUST ADDED UP INTO ONE MASTER PLAN AND COVER BASICALLY ALL
UM, I THINK ANY PLAN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE, WE HAVE TO REMEMBER WHO OWNS THOSE PARKING.
IT CAN'T, IT CAN'T GO FORWARD UNLESS IT'S COMBINED EFFORT.
THERE'S NO WAY TO MAKE IT WORK.
YOU KNOW, AND I CAN REFERENCE WHAT WE DID BEHIND THE CHELSEA BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ALL OF US, UH, ACTUALLY DONATED OUR PROPERTY TO THE CITY AND UM, BECAUSE WE WANTED FOR THAT TO BE A PARKING LOT AND HAVE PARKING AND HAVE IT LIT BACK THERE.
SO WE ALL DONATED THE PROPERTY AND THE CITY CAME IN AND THEN IN ESSENCE, WE HAD TO RENT THE PARKING SPACES FOR OUR PROPERTY.
WHAT DID YOU GET? SO WE GAVE IT BEHIND THE CHELSEA.
WHERE YOU USED TO HAVE YOUR PLACE.
ALL OF THAT WAS, YOU DIDN'T HAVE A PARKING SPACE.
YOU HAD TO LEASE ONE FROM THE CITY UHHUH BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT OWNED THAT PROPERTY RIGHT.
DONATED IT TO THE CITY, SAID, OKAY, YOU WOULD TAKE IT IN TURN, YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, PAVE IT, LIGHT IT, MAINTAIN IT.
YOU ALSO DID A LAND EXCHANGE AS WELL.
DID YOU DO SOMETHING? WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT? YEAH, PERSONALLY FOR THE LITTLE EXCHANGE, THE LITTLE PIECE BACK BEHIND, UH, WHERE OUR HOUSE IS.
AND EXCHANGE THAT FOR, FOR A PIECE OF PROPERTY AT THE CITY WANTED.
THAT WHOLE PARKING LOT WAS GRAVEL AND, UH, SNATCHING GRASS, WE COME OUT AT NIGHTTIME AND THERE WOULD BE WINDOWS IN YOUR CAR BROKEN AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO THE CITY CAME IN, WE DONATED THAT, THE ALLEYWAY, WE IN THAT ALLEYWAY, UM, AND SABRINA, WE DIDN'T, YEAH, WE DIDN'T SWAP IT UNTIL 2012.
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KNOW, WE PAID FOR OUR PARKING SPACES ALL OF THAT TIME BACK THERE.PLUS WE ALL HAD, WE ALL HAD TO PAY OUR SPACE.
SHE WAS THE, BUT I MEAN IT'S WORKED, YOU KNOW, WE JUST DECIDED FOR THE BETTER GOOD OF EVERYBODY.
EVEN THOUGH WE DID HAVE RESIDENTS THERE, WE DECIDED THAT WAS IN THE BEST INTEREST.
DAVID TERRACE HAD RESIDENCE UP IN HIS PLACE, BUT IT WAS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF EVERYBODY BACK THERE TO MAKE IT WORK AND BE THAT.
AND ORIGINALLY THAT WAS THE THOUGHT PROCESS.
IT WAS FOR THE GOOD OF EVERYBODY'S BUSINESS THAT IT WAS PAID AND LIT AND MAINTAINED.
AND EVERYBODY DONATED THEIR LAND.
AND, AND PAUL YOU CAN TELL ME BETTER, UM, YOU JUST SIGNED THE LEASE TO USE IT.
YOU DIDN'T RECEIVE PAYMENT, YOU DIDN'T PAY THE CITY.
I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND.
SO WHEN THE PROPERTY, WHEN THE CITY DID THIS IN 1982, YOU JUST IN ESSENCE LEASED THEM THE PROPERTY.
THEY DIDN'T PAY YOU FOR THE PROPERTY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
YOU DIDN'T, THEY DIDN'T GIVE THE PROPERTY TO THE CITY BECAUSE THE CITY DOESN'T OWN IT.
IN 82, WE HAVE SEVEN PARKING SPACES IN OUR DEAL WITH THE CITY AND TAKING PART OF THIS.
AND THAT IS NOT AN ACCURATE SCAR OF OUR PROPERTY NOW.
AND IT'S IMPORTANT YOU UNDERSTAND, WE HAD SEVEN SPACES THEY GAVE, ALLOWED US THREE SPACES AND GAVE US FOUR SPACES, TWO DIFFERENT SPACES IN DIFFERENT OTHER PARKING LOT FOR OUR CUSTOMERS AND EMPLOYEES TO WALK TO WORK.
WE DIDN'T LEASE, WE JUST PAID THE DOUBLE TAX AND LIVE WITH IT.
SO THAT THEY JUST DID IT WHERE, UM, MIKE, FOR THE CHELSEA PARK, THE PARKING LOT WHERE WE HAD, WE ACTUALLY HEED OUR PROPERTY TO THE CITY AND NO LONGER OWN THOSE PIECES.
SO THAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE IN THE TWO PARKING LOT.
SO, UM, AND, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT YOU SEE NOW MAY NOT BE EXACTLY, YOU KNOW, THESE WERE JUST CONCEPTS.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING.
'CAUSE THE WAY YOUR PROPERTY LOOKS NOW IS MUCH DIFFERENT.
YOUR SO THIS WAS JUST A CONCEPT TO SEE WHAT, AND IT IS SUPPORTED WITH THAT LITTLE ERROR THAT IT IS, THAT THAT IS NOT WHAT IT IS.
WHAT'S HERE NOW WHAT YOU'RE SEEING NOW IS NOT WHAT IT IS.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT, OKAY, THIS IS NOT A CURRENT PROPOSAL, THIS IS NOT A CURRENT PROPOSAL, THIS IS JUST A CONCEPT.
THIS IS WHAT THEY TALKED ABOUT BACK IN 2016 TO 2018.
THEY WERE WORKING ON SOMETHING TO PRESENT.
WE HAD MANY MEETINGS AS OWNERS BACK IN THERE, UM, TRYING TO DETERMINE WHAT TO DO WITH THAT PROPERTY AND THEN GET, YOU KNOW, FLOOD COVID HIT.
MAY I, I UNDERSTAND MR. JOHNSON.
HE IS GOT THE STORAGE UNIT BACK THERE.
A LOT OF RESTAURANTS USE THAT STORAGE FACILITY FOR DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO TO KEEP THAT ACCESSIBLE WILL BE ALSO IMPORTANT IN THE CURRENT, UH, DRAWINGS.
AND MAYBE THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE MENTIONING, THAT STORAGE WITH ALSO, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAS CHANGED IN FOUR YEARS.
THE STORAGE UNIT, THE EMPLOYEES THAT RENT OUR RETAIL SPACE WE HAVE ARE, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS UPSTAIRS AND A CONDOMINIUM COMPLEX THAT HAS RESIDENTIAL PARKING, BUT A KEY TO ALSO ON THE BACK OF THIS PROPERTY FOR THE STORAGE UNITS AND THE REQUIREMENTS FROM THE CITY IS IN A, THAT'S WHY THEY'RE NOT DOWNTOWN WOULD BE VERY POPULAR.
YOU CANNOT HAVE ANY LOADING OR UNLOADING ON THE STREET.
EVERYTHING THAT GOES INTO THE UH, UH, STORAGE UNIT HAS TO BE DONE OFF OF OFF STREET UNLOADING.
WE HAVE GOT A DESIGNATED YELLOW STRIPE LOADING ZONE BEHIND TWO 19 CRAVEN NEXT DOOR TO MITCHELL HARDWARE UP NEXT DOOR TO DR THAT IS NOT IN THAT DRAWING.
SO WE, WE LOOKED AT SOME CONCEPTS.
WE'VE GOT AN IDEA OF WHAT'S, WHAT'S THERE NOW, WHAT, WAS THERE SOME IDEAS THAT CAME FORWARD AS A MATTER OF CONVERSATION AND WORKING FOSTER, YOU MIGHT BE THE ONE JUST ABLE TO ANSWER THIS.
WHEN I LOOK AT THIS ABOUT BREAKOUT IN EYES, BECAUSE I MEAN YOU HAVE, UH, USED PAUL AS AN EXAMPLE.
UM, IT WOULD APPEAR THAT HIS PROPERTY IS LANDLOCKED BY OTHER PRIVATE PROPERTY.
ARE THERE CROSS EASEMENTS? ARE THERE, IS THERE ANY LEGAL STATUS OF ALL OF THESE THINGS BACK THERE? NO.
ARE YOU ASKING IF THERE ARE EASEMENTS THAT WE CAN GET IN AND OFF? THERE IS AN EASEMENT BEHIND MITCHELL HARDWARE EASEMENT BEHIND, UH, TWO 19 CRAVEN
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AND AN EASEMENT TO DR.POLO'S TO GO TO EAST FRONT STREET, SOUTH SOUTH FRONT SOUTH FRONT STREET.
SO IS THAT COMING THROUGH OVER THERE BEHIND THE UM, NO, IT'S ON THE, YEAH, IT'S ON THE SIDE OF THE CHAMBER BUILDING AGING RANGE.
YOU KNOW THAT LITTLE WALKWAY, BIG SIDEWALK EASEMENT? YEAH.
IF I REMEMBER, I THINK IT WAS LIKE 10 FEET.
DOES EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT SIDE THERE? I TALKED TO YOU ABOUT THIS.
YEAH, I THINK IT, THIS PICTURE, YES I DID.
AND I DID NOT REALIZE THAT EASEMENT, UH, ACTUALLY BEGINS HERE WHERE THIS CEMENT LINE IS.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE GRASS IS TAKEN OVER ON THIS AS WELL.
YEAH, IT'S USED I THINK PRIMARILY AS A DRAINAGE EASEMENT NOW, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW.
WE WOULDN'T HAVE THIS CONVERSATION.
OKAY, SABRINA, UM, SINCE WE HAVE PEOPLE HERE, UM, ARE THEY ALLOWED TO SPEAK OR GIVE A QUESTION? CAN WE, UM, DOES ANY, I MEAN, CAN WE, NO, I THINK WE'RE, WE WANT TO STICK TO THIS RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T DETERMINED THAT WE GUYS ARE A GROUP WANT, HAVE QUESTION SO THAT WE HAVE A QUESTION.
SOMEBODY LIKE MR. JOHNSON DIRECTLY IMPACTS HIS, HIS BUSINESS AND HE WAS THERE AT THE BEGINNING, SO I HAD SOME QUESTIONS FOR HIM.
UM, SO I, I THINK AS WE MOVE ALONG, AND WE MAY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR OTHER, YOU KNOW, OTHER THINGS THAT WE CAN DO THAT LET'S TRY TO STAY ON TOPIC.
I WANT TO TRY TO KEEP US TO A TIMELY MANNER AND GIVE US ENOUGH TIME TO TALK.
UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS IS JUST A CONCEPT.
WE'RE NOT, WE, WE PROBABLY WOULD FORM AN INTERCORP GROUP, A COMMITTEE IF WE DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD, IF WE FEEL LIKE THERE'S A POTENTIAL THAT WE THINK IS IMPORTANT.
YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE JUST AN ADVISORY TO, TO THE CITY INTERESTED PEOPLE.
NO, NO, I, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
WE DO HAVE INTERESTED PEOPLE, BUT WE MAY WANNA LOOK AT THIS AND KNOW AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET ANY OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO PARTICIPATE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM.
BUT I, I, I THINK THE CITY IS WANTING TO BE ENGAGED IN SOME KIND OF WALKWAY OR CLEANING UP AND MAKING ACCESS FROM MIDDLE TO CRAIG, WHICH MEANS THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THERE IN THE MIDDLE WHERE THE PARKING CURRENTLY IS, UM, THAT THE CITY OWNS BACK THERE AND JUST WORKING IN THAT, IN THAT AREA THERE TO MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN.
AND, AND TO YOUR POINT, THERE ARE A LOT OF PROPERTY OWNERS IN THAT INTERCOURSE.
AND BASED ON PREVIOUS KNOWLEDGE, THERE WERE A LOT OF DISAGREEMENTS WHEN, WHEN EVERYONE TRIED TO GET SOMETHING WORKED OUT YEARS AGO.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, UM, THIS HATCH AREA CITY, THAT'S WHAT WE KNOW WE CAN DO SOMETHING WITH.
WE KNOW WE CAN DO THAT FOR THE CITY PROPERTY AT THE END OF THE DAY, OUTSIDE OF THAT, HOPING THAT AGREEMENTS CAN BE WORKED OUT WITH, WITH FOLKS.
BUT THAT'S GONNA BE A LOT OF INPUT FROM ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS INVOLVED.
AND EVERYONE'S GONNA HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION ON, ON, ON EVERY CONCEPT THAT COMES UP AT THIS POINT.
NO, NO DECISION MAKING PROCESS.
YOU KNOW, AND WHEN I LISTED, UM, DISCUSSION REGARDING NEXT STEPS TO REALLY BE THE, THE NEXT GEN ITEM, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO KNOW.
HOW DO WE WANT TO MOVE THIS FORWARD? UM, I, I'VE TALKED TO, TO DAVE AND, AND YOU KNOW, HE HAS SOME GOOD SUGGESTIONS ON EVALUATION AND HOW DO WE EVALUATE A PROJECT LIKE THIS? UM, YOU KNOW, DO WE LOOK AT JUST, JUST THE CITY PROPERTY? DO WE LOOK AT THE PROPERTY AS A WHOLE AND BRINGING ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS? DO WE MEET IN SMALL GROUPS? HOW, HOW, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD? I JUST THINK WE NEED TO DECIDE WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD.
HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? SO THAT'S WHY YOU INPUT FROM THIS GROUP SO WE CAN PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING THAT WE MAY WANT TO DO GOING FORWARD AND THAT THAT'S ALL WE'RE AT TODAY.
AND THAT'S ALL WE'RE AT TODAY.
WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY DECISIONS.
WE'RE NOT GONNA SAY WE'RE GONNA DO THIS, THAT, OR THE OTHER.
THAT'S WHY I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT TOO LATE WITH QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS BECAUSE OKAY.
AGAIN, IT, SO WHAT DO WE, WHAT, WHAT'S THE PLEASURE? WHAT, WHAT DO WE THINK? I I THINK WE NEED TO NUMBER ONE, FIGURE OUT WHAT ALL THE REQUIREMENTS ARE.
BUT, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THE, THE, THE GREASE, UH, PERHAPS, I MEAN, YEAH, THERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY, HOW MANY
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RESIDENTIAL PARKING SPACES NEED TO BE RETAINED? HOW MANY PUBLIC PARKING SPACES? AND THEN, UM, UM, JUST BRAINSTORM ON ON THOSE, WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE AND THEN SEE HOW THEY CAN BE ADDRESSED.AND THEN LOOKING AT IT LIKE YOU MENTIONED, UM, THE BUY RIGHT, WHAT, WHAT COULD BE DONE ON THE CITY PROPERTY TO ADDRESS REASON.
AND I WOULD BE SURPRISED IF WE CAN ADDRESS ALL OF THESE CONSTRAINTS.
YEAH, I I'LL TELL YOU THAT THE ONLY PUBLIC PARKINGS WITH THE CITY OWNED EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S PRIVATELY OWNED, WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT'S THEIR PARKING.
THEY DO NOT WANT IT TO BE PART OF A PUBLIC PUBLIC POLICY INCIDENT BECAUSE THEY NEED IT FOR EITHER THEIR EMPLOYEES, THEIR, UH, YOU KNOW, EMPLOYEES, RESIDENCE, WHAT HAVE YOU.
AND, AND ALSO THE, THE TRASH GENERATION.
WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE, UH, THE STANDARD FOR YOU? HOUSEHOLD GEN, UH, TRASH GENERATION IN AN ENVIRONMENT LIKE THIS? DIFFERENT BUSINESSES, RETAIL, UM, RESTAURANT BARS, SO FORTH.
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'CAUSE THEY DID AN INDEPTH STUDY, UM, THAT FIGURED OUT HOW MANY YARD THAT EACH RESTAURANT WAS DOING BECAUSE EACH RESTAURANT ORIGINALLY HAD THEIR OWN CONTAINER.
THEY HAD A, YOU KNOW, A, A TRASH CONTAINER AND A RECYCLING CONTAINER.
SO BASICALLY THEY TOOK THOSE AMOUNTS, ADDED THEM TOGETHER AND SAID, OKAY, WE NEED TO SERVICE X AMOUNT OF YARDS OF TRASH AND WE WERE BEING PICKED UP TWICE A WEEK.
WELL, WE'RE GONNA GO TO SIX DAYS A WEEK SO THAT WE CAN GET ALL OF THAT TRASH TO PICK IT UP.
AND THAT'S HOW, SO THEY DO HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
THEY KNOW THE RESIDENTIAL, SHE TOLD YOU HOW MANY PARTS WERE THERE AND THAT'S ALL COMBINED IN TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DONE.
SO I DON'T WANT TO REQUE CREATE THE WHEEL IN SOME THINGS.
WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION, BUT THAT ALL NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE IN TRYING TO DETERMINE HOW TO WE MOVE THE BOARD.
WE DO HAVE ONE THING TOO THAT WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT.
WE HAVE GLASS BOTTLE RECYCLING AND YOU HAVE CARDBOARD.
SO BY ALL ALL BARS, RESTAURANTS HAVE TO RECYCLE GLASS AND ALL.
SO THERE'S A, RIGHT, SO YOU IN THE GROUND, LITTLE BIT OF BASEMENT.
OURS IS IN THE ALLEYWAY ACTUALLY.
IT'S OF THE RIGHT OF WAY THROUGH THE CITY.
SO PEOPLE DRIVE BACK, DRIVE OVER.
UM, YEAH, THERE'S NO WAY, WHEN I SAY CONSOLIDATE, I'M NOT SAYING CONSOLIDATING WITH, UM, OTHER UTILITIES.
I'M SAYING CONSOLIDATING AMONGST BUSINESSES.
SO CAN BE LIKE ONE TANK, SEVEN BUSINESSES.
LIKE ASKING PEOPLE TO CONSOLIDATE THEIR HOT WATER.
YEAH, BECAUSE YOU'RE CHARGED BY VOLUME.
WE'RE REQUIRED BY CODE TO HAVE BREACH.
WELL, YEAH, THE CODE, SO LIKE OUR BAR AT THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND ALL THE DRAINS HAVE TO LEAD TOWARDS THE KITCHEN AND THE GREASE STRAPS BEFORE IT EVER HITS THE REST OF THE PLUMBING, UM, OUTAGE IN OUR BUILDING.
SO IT FILTERS DOWN, GREASE OUT.
SO TO GET EVERYBODY TO KIND OF COME TOGETHER AND THAT WOULD VERY TRICKY.
BUT THAT IS ANOTHER, TO YOUR POINT, THOUGHT THE UTILITY, THAT'S ANOTHER, UH, THING TO LOOK AT AS FAR AS SUPPLY YOU ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT CONVERSATION AND UPDATING, UH, THE WATER THAT GOES INTO IT AND STUFF.
UM, BUT ACCESSIBILITY IS CRITICAL FOR DEGREES, TRAPS THAT EXIST AND THAT OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE ACCESSIBILITY NOW.
AND THE THING IS THAT WHATEVER PLAN WE MIGHT COME UP WITH CAN'T ELIMINATE THAT ACCESSIBILITY.
AND YOU KNOW, SABRINA, YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT NEXT STEPS.
THIS IS THE WORLD ACCORDING TO ME.
UM, IN MY OPINION, I LIKE PLAN C THE BEST.
UM, HAVING SAID THAT, I'M SURE THERE ARE CHANGES THAT WE NEED TO MADE.
SO I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT PLAN C WOULD BE, WAS MOVE FORWARD.
BUT WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THAT IS IT DOES SPLIT THE DUMPSTER IN TWO LOCATIONS.
THEY DO FLOW OVER, I BELIEVE, ONTO, UM, FROM ADJACENT PROPERTY.
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UM, AND, AND I THINK THAT THAT PLAN COULD LARGELY BE ACCOMPLISHED WITHOUT THE COOPERATION OF ANYBODY ELSE BUT THE CITY, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE DUMPSTER THAT, UH, ROLLS OVER ON TWO, UH, THE TWO DIFFERENT PROPERTIES.AND, AND, AND THEN KNOWING HOW MUCH WORK WENT INTO CREATING THESE AND, AND HOW MUCH STUDY WAS DONE OF EXISTING TRASH SITUATIONS DUMP, ET CETERA.
AND KNOWING HOW THERE'S VERY DISPARATE OPINIONS OF OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS, I THINK, UM, THE LOGICAL WAY TO PROCEED IS TO APPROACH PROPERTY OWNERS ONE BY ONE WITH THIS IS THE PLAN THAT WE THINK WORKS BEST.
YOUR PROPERTY SITS HERE, DOES THAT WORK FOR YOU? AND THE PEOPLE WHO SAY NO, WE JUST CROSS THEM OUT AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT.
AND SO IF WE CAN GET COOPERATION ON THE DUMPSTERS THERE AND SCREAM THEM AND PROTECT THE DINERS IN THE BACK OF, UH, THE RESTAURANT, THEN I THINK YOU COULD GET COOPERATION.
THEY WOULD SEE THAT AS A WIN-WIN.
AND IF THE ADJACENT RESIDENCES DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT, THEN THAT'S FINE.
WE'LL WORK AROUND THEM AND, AND, UH, MOVE ON TO THE NEXT PROPERTY OWNERS.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY WAY ANYTHING'S EVER GONNA HAPPEN.
TRYING TO GET THIS HUGE CROWD IN THE ROOM AND AGREE ON THE PLAN IT THAT HAS BEEN ATTEMPTED AND FAILED FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS.
ACTUALLY THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT SUGGESTION.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO START SOMEPLACE.
SO I, I THINK THE EASIEST PLACE TO START WOULD BE IS LOOKING SPECIFICALLY AT THE CITY PROPERTY AND HOW CAN WE IMPROVE THAT AND HOW CAN WE MAKE THAT WORK THAT WOULD BEST, YOU KNOW, I I THINK, DO WE ALL AGREE THAT THE END RESULT AND THE VISION WE'RE TRYING TO TO GET HERE IS, IS TO CONNECT, GET PEOPLE SAFELY AND AESTHETICALLY, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, A GOOD VISION, A GOOD PLACE FROM CRAVEN STREET TO MIDDLE STREET, VICE VERSA.
WE ALL AGREE THAT THAT IS OUR MAIN OBJECTIVE.
LIKE TO SAY THE MAIN OBJECTIVE SHOULD BE IS TO MAKE A PLAN.
SO A PLAN, BUT WHAT'S THE, YEAH, WHAT'S THE VISION OF THE PLAN? IS OUR VISION TO CONNECT THE, THE, THE TWO STREETS.
I THINK THAT FOR ME, I THINK, OKAY, THE RED AREA, WHICH IS WHAT THE CITY OWNS, THIS IS WHAT THE CITY OWNS, WHAT'S IN RED, ALONG WITH WHAT'S NOT ON THIS MAP, WHICH IS THE EASEMENTS, THE RIGHT OF WAYS, THE RESTRICTED COVENANTS, THE THE GREASE TRAPS THAT WE KNOW WE HAVE TO BE, THOSE ARE THE, THAT I, TO ME THAT'S OUR LIST.
WHEN YOU SAY RESTRICTED COVENANTS ON, HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT.
I DON'T, THERE'S A LOT OF DEEDS THAT ARE GOING ON BACK HERE THAT, THAT HAVE GONE BACK SEVERAL GENERATIONS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE DEEDS ARE, WHAT THEY'RE ALL ABOUT OR WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS OR UM, UM, THINGS THAT WERE GRANTED WITH THOSE LEASES OR WHAT THAT LAND, UM, BECAUSE THEY'VE JUST BEEN PASSED DOWN GENERATION TO GENERATION.
AND I'M NOT SURE WE KNOW WHAT ALL OF THOSE ARE WITH ALL THAT PROPERTY.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE'RE 300 YEARS OLD, SO WE DON'T KNOW.
SO ANY OF THAT CAN HOLD US UP 'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW.
WELL I THINK SABRINA, WHAT YOU WERE SAYING IS, IS WHAT WERE THE, THE, THE, THE, THE CONCERNS BEHIND LINKING THESE.
OBVIOUSLY SAFETY IS A BIG ONE AND I DEFINITELY AGREE THAT, THAT IT'S NOT SAFE.
I WALK BACK THERE ALL THE TIME AND I, YOU KNOW, WATCH PEOPLE START BACKING UP THE SPACE AND, AND NOT PAYING ATTENTION.
SO SAFETY OF PEDESTRIANS IS VERY IMPORTANT.
I AGREE THAT THAT'S ONE OF, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE SHOULD BE DOING THIS.
AND THEN, UH, ALSO BEAUTIFICATION, YOU KNOW, I'M TIRED LOOKING AT THE DUMPSTERS.
WE LEAST HAVE DUMPSTERS NOW, NOT MILLIONS OF CANS, WHICH LOOK HORRIBLE FOR SO LONG.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, BEAUTIFICATION AND SAFETY ARE TWO PRIMARY REASONS WHY WE WANT TO DO THIS.
SO CAN WE DO THAT BY JUST LOOKING AT THE AREA THAT THE CITY OWNS? MAYBE WE COULD DO SOME, SO YEAH, THAT'S THE REASON.
I ALSO THINK THE FACT THAT LINKING MIDDLE STREET TO CRAVEN STREET TO IMPROVE TRAFFIC FLOW WILL HELP BRING BUSINESS TO CRAVEN STREET AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL GENERATE MORE, UM, RETAIL ON, ON CRAVEN STREET.
I'D LOVE TO SEE IT THERE SINCE IT'S FRAME IN MY BACKYARD.
SO, UM, I SEE THOSE AS BEING THE THREE REASONS WHY WE WANT TO PURSUE A PROJECT FOR THE FOUR.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO SAY.
IS THAT WHERE WE ARE? SO I DO, DO WE AT LEAST, I'M TRYING TO BREAK THIS DOWN ALL THE WAY YOU, YOU ELEPHANTS LITTLE PIECES AT TIME.
SO DO WE AGREE THAT THE PROJECT IS WORTHWHILE TO LOOK AT, STARTING WITH THE CITY
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PROPERTY AND UNDERSTANDING THAT IT IS, WE WANT PEDESTRIAN SAY BEAUTIFICATION AND TRASH.I THINK YOU GET 90% OR MORE OF THE WAY THERE.
IF WE CAN GET TWO OF THESE PROPERTY OWNERS TO COOPERATE.
AND I BELIEVE I'M HAVING SOME CONVERSATION WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER ON, ON THE OTHER SIDE AND YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE HE'S READY TAPE.
WE MIGHT, MIGHT, I, WITH CONCEPT SEEMS LIKE THE BEST ONE.
AND ALSO IT SEEMS LIKE ONE THAT KIND OF, IF WE FOCUSED ON THE THE CITY ON THE PROPERTY, WE COULD ACHIEVE A LOT.
SO FOSTER, HOW, UH, DO WE, YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA SCHEDULE ANOTHER WORK SESSION TO GO FORWARD.
DO WE HIRE DESIGNER? DO WE DECIDE IT OURSELVES? DO WE TAKE THIS AND BREAK IT UP? WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR SUGGESTION OR RECOMMENDATION? ONE, IF YOU ALL AGREED ON THING, DON'T YOU MAKE A MOTION THAT THIS IS WHAT YOU AGREE ON? AND, AND START WORKING ON THAT.
SET UP ANOTHER, UH, MEETING JUST TO HAVE MORE DETAILED DISCUSSIONS.
UH, AND, AND BEFORE WE GET TO THAT MEETING, TAKE THESE PLANS.
YOU'VE ALL GOT THE, AND, AND MAKE YOUR NOTES.
SO WHEN WE COME BACK TO THE MEETING, WE TALK ABOUT THE GOOD, THOSE THINGS.
AND THEN MAYBE TIME IN THE MEANTIME, YOU CAN DO SOME THINGS THAT MICHAEL LEE HAS ASKED AS FAR AS THE EASEMENTS, KNOWING WHAT THE CITY HAS, THERE'S SUCH A THING AS A PRESCRIPTIVE EASEMENT.
I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE LEGALITY OF THAT, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'VE TALKED TO SCOTT WITH FOR MANY YEARS ABOUT THAT PRESCRIPTIVE EASEMENT.
AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHEN SOMEBODY TRAVELS A CERTAIN PATH FOR A LONG TIME, IT BECOMES AN EASEMENT,
BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S WHERE WE WANNA GO.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, GET ALL THAT INFORMATION AND WE CAN COME BACK.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, DOES SOMEBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION ABOUT WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT? OH, FIRST WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CITY PROPERTY, WHICH IS CORRECT.
AND THEN SAFETY FOR, FOR PEDESTRIANS, BEAUTIFICATION AND TRASH.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON HERE.
WE'RE WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE VOTING.
WE'RE WAITING FOR A MOTION TO VOTE ON.
YEAH, WE'RE WAITING FOR MOTIONS TO VOTE ON.
I WOULD MOVE THAT, UH, WE MOVE FORWARD WITH CONCEPT C, FOCUSING ON THE CITY'S OWN PROPERTY FOR UNIFICATION, TRASH, CONSOLIDATIONS, SAFETY.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND.
OKAY, NOW IT'S HAVE DISCUSSION.
WHAT DO YOU CONCERN THAT, WELL, THAT'S NOT C THIS IS WHAT WE'RE THIS, I THOUGHT WE WERE VOTING ON THIS RED SPACE, BUT WHAT HE SAID, WHAT HE SAID, HE SAID CON USING CONCEPT C AS CONCEPT C, FOCUSING ON THE CITY OWNED PROPERTY OWNED CITY OWNED PROPERTY.
WHEN WE SAY CONCEPT C, CONCEPT C WOULD INCLUDE LIKE THE, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? ZONE CONNECTOR.
YEAH, THAT'S, I, THAT'S, IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY.
ARE WE GOOD? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? OKAY.
UM, AS DON QUICK ON THE GIVEN, UM, THERE'S A POPULAR MISSING.
UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S DUMPSTERS IN CONCEPT C WHERE THERE'S THREE DUMPSTERS.
UM, I CAN'T ARE YOU SPEAKING ABOUT BEYOND THE JAMES OR BEHIND JAMES? YEAH.
AND THERE'S, UH, THERE'S A, A TRIANGLE THAT YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE ON THIS MAP.
RIGHT? BUT THAT'S, THAT IS THE CURRENT MAP.
AND THEN THIS IS JUST CONCEPT.
ALL THAT TRIANGLE HAVE TO BE REMOVED AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS IS CONCEPT ONLY IT, AND THIS MAY NOT WORK.
I JUST WANNA POINT OUT IT'S NOT ALSO PROPERTY.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, THAT WE WOULD INDIVIDUALLY HAVE TO TALK TO THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS TO SEE IF THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE.
AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO FIGURE OUT IN THE CONFINES OF WHAT WE'RE DOING OR HOWEVER WE HAVE TO, TO WORK IT.
I THINK WE STARTED THE CITY PROPERTY AND GO OUT.
AND, AND WE SEE WHAT BLOCK WE GET.
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OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? OKAY.SO WE WILL, UM, AGREE TO SCHEDULE ANOTHER WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS THIS OUTSIDE OF OUR REGULAR QUARTERLY MEETINGS THAT WE DECIDED ON.
UM, AND WE'LL GET BACK WITH SOME DATES.
UM, I WANT TO JUMP IN BECAUSE WE'VE GOT 30 MINUTES.
I WANT TO JUMP INTO THAT, UH, PROPOSED POP PROJECT LIST THAT WE WERE GIVEN.
AGAIN, FROM THE CITY, NOT FROM ME, FROM THE CITY.
UM, SO LET'S SEE WHERE THERE WERE SOME THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING THAT, UH, FOSTER MENTIONED AND FOSTER, WHY DON'T YOU MENTION THOSE AGAIN, IN WHICH YOU FEEL ARE CITY, YOU KNOW, PARKS AND REC OR CITY THINGS LIKE PICKLEBALL COURTS.
I REMEMBER GOING DOWN THAT WAY.
DIFFERENT THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT THAT WERE REALLY CITY.
SO, SO BASED ON THE NOTES I HAD, UM, I THINK THE GROUP OVERALL AGREED, UM, TAKE THE REDUCTION OF MSD DEBT SERVICE OFF THE TABLE, BUT NO ONE WAS INTERESTED IN THAT BASED ON OUR CURRENT LOAN THAT WE HAD IN PLACE AND, AND THE INTEREST RATES.
UM, UM, THEN THERE WAS TALK ABOUT PICKLEBALL COURT.
WELL, IN REALITY, THERE'S NO ROOM IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA OR ANY OF OUR PARKS PICKLEBALL.
WE'RE ALREADY PLAYING THE CLOSEST AREA WE'RE LOOKING AT.
PICKLEBALL IS OVER AT THE GEORGE STREET LAST.
THE OLD TEST CARTS, UH, ARE WE'RE GONNA BE, UH, DOING, TAKING THAT PROJECT ON AT SOME POINT, UM, BECAUSE PICKLEBALL DOES, IS REALLY GETTING POPULAR IN THE AREA.
UM, AND WE TALKED ABOUT, WE'VE ACTUALLY FLAG FOR, UM, A GRANT FOR DIGITAL WAY FINDING SIGNS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
SO WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING FROM THAT.
AND THEN I HAD, I HAD MARKED DOWN DOCS AS WELL.
UM, AND OF COURSE I THINK THEY WROTE, THERE WAS SOME CORRESPONDENCE CALLS ON DOCS OVER THE LAST WEEKS ALSO THAT, THAT'S ALL I HAD ON THIS.
HEAR WHAT, WHAT ELSE HAS TO SAY? UM, SO FUNDS CAN BE SPENT IN THE MSD GEOGRAPHICAL AREA ANYWHERE IN THERE.
UH, AND TO BRING, COULD DEFINITELY TALK ABOUT HISTORICALLY WHAT THOSE FUNDS HAVE BEEN SPENT ON MORE INFRASTRUCTURE RELATED PROJECTS THAN ANYTHING.
BUT BASED ON THE LIST, AS YOU'VE SEEN, THERE ARE A LOT OF PROJECTS THAT WE CAN DO TO DEFINITELY HELP UNIFY OUR DOWNTOWN, UH, AND ENHANCE SAFETY FEATURES THAT THE CITY NORMALLY WOULD NOT DO.
UM, WHAT WE DO IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY IS WHAT WE WOULD DO HERE.
UH, ANYTHING ABOVE AND BEYOND.
CITY'S NOT GONNA REALLY DO THAT.
WE'RE NOT GONNA STAND CROSSWALK AND HAVE HIGH BECAUSE IF WE DO IT IN ONE AREA, WE'VE GOTTA DO IT IN OTHER AREAS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT MSS D FUNDS CAN BE USED FOR.
WE'RE NOT GONNA PAINT, UM, LIGHT POLES, UH, ALL THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
WE SEE THE DECORATIVE LIGHT BULBS, THEY'RE FADING OUT.
AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE TALK ABOUT.
YOU USE THOSE FUNDS TO PAINT THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THAT'S ALL PROJECT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
PUT PAINTERS UP ON, ON LIGHT POLES.
YOU GOT FUNDS TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR UNIFICATION.
THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE GOOD EXAMPLES.
UM, FOSTER, I HAD A QUESTION AND I'M SORRY I DIDN'T CLARIFY THIS, BUT, UM, DOES THE MSD BOUNDARIES EXTEND INTO THE WATER? THERE IS A QUESTION ABOUT THE DOCKS AND STUFF LIKE THAT THAT CAME TO US AND I WAS, I'M UNSURE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT OWN BOAT PAY MSD TAX, THAT OWN THE SLIPS, I KNOW THEY PAY PROPERTY TAX, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY PAY MSS D TAX, THEREFORE IT'S JUST THE LAND DO RESEARCH.
LET, DOES EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND WE GOT THAT LETTER SO I THEY DON'T PAY MSD TAX.
THAT WOULD NOT BE IN OUR
SO IF YOU COULD BRING THAT BACK TO THE NEXT MEETING, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.
WE, WE CAN'T BUILD DOGS BECAUSE WE DON'T IF WE YEAH.
THAT THEY'RE NOT PAYING, THEY'RE NOT PAYING SD TAX BY THE WAY, UH, THE, THE UH, STATE LEASES, THE LAND ON THE RIVER BED, TWO PEOPLE WHO HAVE DOCKS COMMERCIAL DOCK.
THAT'S THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA ENTRANCE TO A LEASE WITH THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA FOR THE RIVER BED.
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DOESN'T MEAN THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T PUT ON YEAH.AND THAT THE CITY COULD BE WORKING TO DO APPEAR ANYWAY THERE.
THE MARKING THAT GOES OUT TO IT TO ENHANCE IT, YOU KNOW, TO TALK ABOUT GOING DOWN.
THAT COULD DEFINITELY DO THAT AND PAY FOR THAT.
HOW ABOUT SOME ADDITIONS? WE TALKED ABOUT ADDING SOME THINGS ON THERE.
I, THIS A MINOR PROJECT I THINK WOULD BE NICE WOULD BE PUTTING IN SOME, UH, CIGARETTE EXTINGUISHERS IN CERTAIN SPOTS LIKE OUTSIDE THE CUP HOUSE OR JAMES RE LANE OR THERE'S BEAR PLAZA.
I WILL PICK UP TRASH FROM THE STREET, BUT I WILL NOT PICK UP CIGARETTE BUTTS OUT OF THE CRACKS IN THE SIDEWALK.
UM, I HAD ASKED LAST TIME REGARDING REPAIRING MAINTENANCE AND UM, THE MST OBVIOUS C PAINT TO PUT THE PAVERS IN IN SEVERAL PLACES I'VE NOTICED THAT THEY'RE RAISED, WOULD THAT BE A REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE THAT THE MSD WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR? IF, IF IT WAS MADE? PROBABLY SO, BUT IN A LOT OF CASES WHEN, WHEN WE SEE AN ISSUE WHETHER, WHETHER IT'S SEVEN BECAUSE OF TREE ROUTE OR OR RAISED ELEVATIONS, PUBLIC WORKS WILL JUST GO IN THERE AND TAKE CARE OF THOSE ISSUES.
WE HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN ANYTHING THAT WE'VE CHARGED THE M MSS D FOR ON ON OVERALL MAINTENANCE LIKE THAT.
YOU JUST REMOVED, UH, GAS BOXES MIDDLE STREET.
SO THAT WAS, SO THAT WAS REALLY ITY DEPARTMENT TO TAKE CARE OF THAT MONEY.
CIGARETTE POWERS, UM, I WOULD ARGUE ABOUT THIS
THERE'S NO DOUBT IT'S HORRIFIC.
AND I GO OUT EVERY MORNING AND LEAVES AND CIGARETTE TO THE TREE.
BUT THOSE, IF THEY'RE NOT DUMP EVERY DAY, THEY OVERLOAD, PUT TRASH IN AND NEXT THING YOU HAVE THIS, I THINK YOU WILL OPEN THEM AND FISH WHAT FOR THAT HAVEN'T BEEN COMPLETELY SMOKED.
AND THERE MAY BE ALTERNATIVES OUT THERE THAT WE'RE JUST NOT AWARE.
I THINK OF NEW THINGS ALL THE TIME.
SO, BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING TO LOOK INTO.
HOW DO WE, YOU KNOW, DO WE NEED MORE TRASH CANS? HOW DO WE EFFECTIVELY KEEP THE TRASH OFF OFF STREETS? AND, YOU KNOW, REGARDLESS, THERE'S PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA THROW TRASH.
YEARS AGO WE HAD, DO YOU REMEMBER HENRY? HE, UH, I THINK IT WAS MSD MONEY THAT PAID FOR HENRY'S.
OH, I THOUGHT IT WAS HENRY BLACK GUY.
ANYWAY, BUT HE, HE WALKED AROUND.
DO YOU REMEMBER HIM? CHRIS? AND HE, HE PICKED UP ALL THE CIGARETTE BUS, ALL THE LITTLE, HE WORKED ALL DAY.
HE WAS IN, IT WAS AN EIGHT HOUR POSITION.
AND IF I NEEDED WATER, HE WOULD LET ME HAVE CITY WATER.
AND IF I WAS HOSTING OFF THE FRONT OF MY BUILDING, HE WOULD, HE'D LET ME DO IT ONCE ON YOUR UTILITY BUILDING.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING HE DID THAT FOR ANY STORE OWNER WHO NEEDED TO CLEAN OFF THE FRONT OF THEIR BUILDING.
AND I THINK THAT COULD SOLVE A CIGARETTE BUTT PROBLEM.
THE LITTLE BITS OF TRASH AND GUM, THEY GET STUCK.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE GOT A LOT, UH, WE'VE GOT, UH, OTHER, UH, PARAPHERNALIA THAT ENDS UP ON THE STREETS THAT NOBODY WANTS TO PICK UP.
SO BASICALLY LIKE A, NOT A MAINTENANCE MAN, BUT A KIND OF MAINTENANCE STAND PART.
IT, IT WOULD, IT WAS A GREAT, HE WAS THERE EVERY DAY.
IT WAS A SAYING RIGHT THERE IN TRASH PICKUP.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCEPTS ON THIS TOO.
TRASH PICK UP FOUR HOURS DAILY.
WELL, CAN WE TAKE SOME OTHER THINGS OFF THIS LIST? I, ME, UM, TRASH, I'VE GOT A LIST OUT THINGS I THOUGHT WERE DISCUSSED LAST TIME.
UM, AND THAT WAS ONE OF, UH, EXERCISE TRAIL.
I BELIEVE THAT WAS ONE THAT WE DIDN'T REALLY RIGHT.
IT DIDN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE OR THERE WASN'T REALLY ROOM, UH, WALKING TRAIL COMPLETION OF RAILROAD TRACKS.
AND WHAT WAS THAT? THE SIDEWALK DOWN THERE BETWEEN POINTS TO MARKET, THE HISTORIC NORTH CAROLINA HISTORY CENTER.
BUT THAT'S A, A RAILROAD ISSUE THAT, UM, WE CAN SPEND ALL THE MONEY WE WANT IF THEY DON'T ALLOW US TO DO THAT.
IF WE CAN LIMIT THIS LIST ON THINGS WE CAN'T DO OR DON'T WANT TO DO, LIKE INCH DIVIDERS.
I GOT QUESTION MARKS IN SOME MARK THROUGH THAT.
SO THE BENCH DIVIDERS MY, I WOULD TELL YOU THAT I'M PEN OF THEM JUST BECAUSE WHAT WAS HAPPENING IS WHEN YOU SEE A LOT OF HOMELESS PEOPLE SLEEPING, IF YOU PUT THE BENCH DIVIDERS, THEY CAN'T SLEEP ON THE BENCHES.
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THINGS THAT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD, UH, TO US.AND IN GETTING THE COMPLAINTS WE GOT ABOUT PEOPLE SLEEPING ON IONS ALL NIGHT.
I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA SOLVE THOSE ISSUES.
UM, YEAH, WE'LL MOVE IT FROM UNION PARK IN OTHER PLACES IN THE DOWNTOWN.
TRASH PICKUP FOUR HOURS DAILY.
I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THAT'S ABOUT.
THAT WAS ABOUT HAVING SOMEBODY PICKING UP TRASH ON SIDEWALKS IN THE STREET.
AND IT WOULD BE TO HIRE SOMEONE, GIVE SOME, YOU KNOW, JUST CREATE A, A JOB FOR SOMEONE TO HELP KEEP OUR STREETS CLEAN SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO PICK UP THE CIGARETTE BUTTS AND THE NEEDLES AND ALL THE OTHER UNSIGHTLY THINGS THAT WE DISCOVER WHEN WE'RE HIKING AND WALKING.
SO THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE SAY.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO SAY ON THERE? I THINK THERE'S ALREADY SWING UP.
I'M JUST TRYING TO LIMIT AT THIS.
YOU TALKED ABOUT IT, IT LAST TIME.
BENCH SWINGS, UH, THAT YOU OUT BASICALLY THE WATER AS OPPOSED TO SWINGS AND, OKAY.
IT WAS SOMETHING BROUGHT BY, BY JOHN.
WELL, AND I GOT, UH, I SENT SOME PICTURES TO, UM, TO FOSTER AND SABRINA SOMETHING I SAW WHEN I WAS IN CHARLESTON, WEST VIRGINIA.
IT'S JUST A CONCEPT OF MORE OF LIKE PERMANENT STRUCTURE.
BECAUSE I WAS ON THIS FROM BEFORE.
IT WAS BROUGHT UP THIS MEETING IN HERE WAY BACK WHEN, A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.
SO, BUT I MEAN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I GUESS WOULD PAY FOR THAT.
OR WHETHER IT BE MSSD OR SOME OF THOSE.
AND, AND I THINK WHAT, WHAT THE CITY HAS BEEN WEIGHING ON IS, IS WHAT YOU ARE WANTING TO FOCUS ON FIRST STOP SEVERAL PROJECTS ON THE SMALLER ONES AND UM, THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE WITH THE CITY MAY OR MAY NOT DO BASED ON OUR UPCOMING
WELL I THINK TOO, TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS ON WHAT TO GO FORWARD WITH, WE HAVE TO KIND OF NARROW DOWN A FEW THINGS WE, WE THINK WOULD BE GOOD.
AND THEN TASK FOSTER AND HIS STAFF WOULD FIND OUT COST AND ANYTHING ELSE.
IS THE PICTURE I SENT YOU THIS PARK BENCH, THEY'RE AWESOME.
DO THEY COST 5,000 OR 15,000 OR 50,000? I DUNNO.
I I THINK WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR ME TOO, AND I REALIZE I WASN'T HERE, UH, AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT THIS, THIS IS SORT OF A LONG AND UM, UM, SCATTERED WISHLIST AND I, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT CATEGORIZED INTO SAFETY.
UM, ENHANCING FAMILY FRIENDLINESS, PRESERVING GREEN SPACE, UM, TOURISM, PROMOTING TOURISM, JUST SO FOR OTHER CATEGORIES THAT WOULD KIND OF HELP US FOCUS, I THINK OUR EFFORTS.
OTHERWISE I FEEL SORT OF LIKE I'M JERKING BACK AND FORTH, UM, IN THESE DIFFERENT CONCEPTS.
SO I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT JUST TO KIND OF GET RID OF SOME OF IT.
EITHER DON'T ALL JURISDICTION WORK OR, UM, SO ELIMINATE FIRST AND THEN CATEGORIZE.
YOU TALKING ABOUT THEY CONTINUE RE STRIKE STOP BARS.
STOP BARS ARE BASICALLY AT, AT ANY, AT ANY INTERSECTION WHERE YOU HAVE A STOPLIGHT OR STOP SIGN, THERE'S ALL WHITE BARS.
THAT WOULD THAT BE MORE PUBLIC WORKS THEN? THAT WOULD BE, YEAH.
SO WE CAN TAKE AND THEN THE PICKLE BALL I THINK ALREADY TALKED ABOUT SIDEWALKS ON 200 BLOCK OF POLY.
THAT WAS TO HAVE THE PAVERS INSTALLED ON THE 200 BLOCK.
ACTUALLY THE 100 BLOCK DOESN'T HAVE THEM EITHER.
AND THE 300 BLOCK OF C**K DOESN'T HAVE EITHER.
SO THE 200, 100, BECAUSE THEY WERE OUTSIDE OF THE ORIGINAL, WE TALKED ABOUT THE ORIGINAL, UM, URBAN DESIGN PLAN.
UH, THE TWO OF THE PLANS JUST CALL FOR THE WHAT THEY CONSIDERED THE MAIN.
SO WHY DON'T WE, WHY DON'T WE FOCUS ON THAT? THAT WOULD BE A GOOD, THAT'S AN EASY PROJECT BECAUSE IT BE ARE, I MEAN IT'S JUST, IT IS PART OF, IT'S LEADING TO THE WATER.
OH NO, I THINK IT'S A BENEFICIAL PROJECT.
THAT ONE PROBABLY STAY ON ALL LIST.
AND THEN DIGITAL ECONOMY, THAT WAS, WE'VE ALREADY LEFT.
LA MAY I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR, TO GIVE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 THINGS ON THE OTHER PROPOSED PROJECTS TO REMOVE THEM.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES.
THOSE ARE A REDUCTION OF NSD DEBT SERVICE.
THE NEXT ONE IS EXERCISE TRAIL ONE RIGHT BELOW THAT WALKING TRAIL COMPLETION OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
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THE NEXT ONE, RETRIED STOP BARS RIGHT BELOW.THAT'S PICKLEBALL COURT AND DIGITAL WAY FINDING IS THE LAST ONE.
I HAVE A MOTION TO REMOVE THOSE SIX ITEMS. DO I HAVE SECOND? SECOND.
I'M LOOKING AT THE REPAINT LIGHT POLES AND THE SAND GLASS AND POWDER COAT TRASH RECEPTABLE.
SHOULD WE BE POWDER COATING THE LIGHT POLES VERSUS PAINTING THEM AS WELL? UM, IF, IF WE POWDER COAT THE LIGHT POLES, WE WOULD'VE TO TAKE THEM OUT OF SERVICE THAT COMES AT MORE OF A SIGNIFICANT COST TO DO THAT IN PLACE.
PAIN IS GONNA BE AN EASIER THING TO DO.
ARE THEY LIGHT BULBS? ANOTHER ONE FELL ON THE CORNER OF CRAVEN AND SOUTH BRONX STREET.
UH, AND SO THAT BASICALLY GET RUSTED OUT BOTTOM.
SO THAT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT THE MSSD PAID FOR.
HOW ABOUT, I KNOW WE WANT TO PUT SOME ADDITIONS.
I I THINK SOME, THERE WERE SOME ADDITIONS THAT MAY WANNA COME ONTO THIS AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN PUT 'EM INTO SOME CATEGORIES.
WHAT, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE ADDITIONS THAT WE HAVE ON? I WOULD LIKE TO SAY TREE LIGHTING.
WITH RECEPTACLES THAT CAN BE USED FOR THINGS LIKE
AND SO I'D LIKE, MY SUGGESTION IS TO LUMP THE INSTALL SPIGOTS TO WASH OFF YOUR BUSINESS, WHICH IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
THE TREE BODY WITH RECEPTACLES AS, AND THIS COULD BE A MAJOR PROJECT AGAIN, BUT IT'S TO GET BACK INTO OUR INFRAS STRUCTURE UNDER THE GROUND BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HAS TO BE REDONE IN ORDER TO PUT THE LIGHTING AND TO PUT THE SPIGOTS.
AND ALSO TOO, I UNDERSTAND THAT FOSTER, I UNDERSTAND THE INTERNET'S HAVING A HARD TIME BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET THEIRS, THEY CAN'T GET INTO DOWNTOWN TO PROVIDE IT, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL INTERNET SERVICE.
'CAUSE OF OUR, OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE RIGHT NOW THEY AREN'T COMING.
THEY'RE COMING DOWNTOWN BUT THEY'RE TRYING TO STAY THE, THE LEAST INTRUSIVE WAY TO GET AROUND THE INNER BLOCKS.
BUT ALL DONE THAT WAS PRIOR TO.
SO WE, WE'VE ALL OUR LOCAL METRONET.
YEAH, THERE'S ALL, ARE YOU SURE THAT'S METRONET THAT AND THAT'S NOT, UM, SUDDENLY THERE S WHATEVER.
OKAY, WELL ANYWAY, CAN WE JUST REPHRASE THAT? I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED.
SO CAN WE REPHRASE, YOU WANNA COMBINE NINE WITH LIGHTING? YES.
AS A, AS AN UNDERGROUND UNDERGRAD INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO ACTUALLY WOULD BE UNDERGROUND INFRASTRUCTURE WHICH WOULD ENABLE INSTALLING SPIGOTS CORRECT.
SO THAT'S HOW WE WANNA WORD THAT ONE CORRECT.
YEAH, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE DONE.
WE'RE GONNA GET IN THERE TO PUT LIGHT RECEPTS.
WE MIGHT AS WELL GET IN THERE TO PUT THE WATER AND THAT WOULD HELP ALL OF US ABOUT THE SPIGOTS.
UM, WALKING DOWN THE STREET, I, I NOTICED, SO TYPICALLY IT'S THE OWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY WHEN IT IS THE OWNER'S SIDE OF THE METER.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE A SPEC WOULD BE ON THE OWNER'S SIDE OF THE METER.
SO WHY WOULD THIS BE A AN MSD PROJECT AND NOT A PROJECT TO THE OWNER OF THE BUILDING? THE BIGGEST THING WE'VE SEEN IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA IS THE MAJORITY OF THE WATERS ON THE BACK OF THOSE BUILDINGS.
SO EXTENDING THAT LINE TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING IS WHERE YOU HAVE THE ISSUE.
HAVE GO IN THERE, TEAR OUT THE, CUT OUT THE FLOOR TO EXTEND THAT LINE TO GO THROUGH THE BUILDING.
THERE'S NOT A LOT ON, ON THE FRONT PARTS.
THE BUILDING, WELL I KNOW IT'S GOING DOWN MIDDLE, BUT I SEE A LOT OF WATER METERS.
SO I WAS ASSUMING THAT THOSE ARE WATER METERS FOR THOSE BUSINESSES DO.
SO WHAT WE COULD DO IS IT WOULD BE GOOD AS PART OF A WORKSHOP AGAIN TO GET, WE CAN BRING IN THE WATER RESOURCES PERSON AND LET THEM TELL US EXACTLY WHAT'S UNDO THERE, WHAT WE CAN USE TO BRING OUR ELECTRIC UTILITIES.
HE WOULD TELL US WHAT IT'S GONNA TAKE TO, YOU KNOW, PUT THE RECEPTACLES AT THE TREES SO WE CAN LIGHT THE TREES AND THEN HAVE, YOU KNOW, RECEPTACLE SAND VANS.
THAT WOULD BE A BEAUTIFUL, YOU KNOW, STATE.
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LET YOU KNOW, OKAY, MY BUILDING IS 120 FEET DEEP AND I DO HAVE A SPIGOT ON THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.I'VE GOT THREE HOSES AND I BRING IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH FROM THE BACK OF THE FRONT OF THE GALLERY OUT THE FRONT DOOR, YOU KNOW, AND I CAN GET AS FAR AS OLIVE OIL AND JUST A LITTLE BIT INTO THE, THE BUSINESS NEXT TO ME TO CLEAN THINGS OFF.
WHERE'S YOUR WATER METER TELL IN THE BACK? THEY MOVED MY WATER METER TO THE STREET.
SO WHEN YOU SEE THEM, THEY'RE LOOKING AT ALL METERS HAVE BEEN MOVED TO THE SIDEWALK.
I DO HAVE A METER IN THE BACK, BUT THEY DON'T ACCESS IT ANYMORE.
YOU HAVE WATER THAT COMES IN THE FRONT OF THEM, WATER COMES THERE IN THE BASEMENT OR WHATEVER, IT'S THERE.
I GOT THAT ATTACH AND THEN OUR PIPES ATTACH THE CITY'S WATER ATTACHES UNDER THE SIDEWALK AND THEN ONCE IT COMES OFF THE SIDEWALK, THEN IT'S MINE.
SO IF THERE'S A LEAK ON MY SIDE, IT'S ME.
IF IT'S A LEAK ON THE SIDEWALK FITS THE CITY, IT'S THEIR PROBLEM IF I USUALLY HAVE CITIES IN THEM, DON'T THEY? YES.
BECAUSE HENRY USED TO LET USE IT
SO, BUT UM, I MEAN IT'S NOT LIKE I USED A LOT OF WATER.
IT WAS LIKE 10 MINUTES OF WATER.
I THINK THAT THAT, YEAH, I THINK THAT THIS IS A CONVERSATION THAT THE CITY WATER PEOPLE COULD, THERE MIGHT BE A VERY SIMPLE SOLUTION.
AND MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE, I DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT, BUT LET'S CATEGORIZE, LET'S PUT THOSE TWO TOGETHER AND THEN THAT WILL BE A THING THAT WILL BE A TOPIC FOR US TO SCHEDULE FOR NEEDING A WORKSHOP, WHATEVER.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET THESE SO THAT WE HAVE THINGS ON ONGOING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE MULTIPLE THINGS GOING AT AT ONE TIME.
IT WON'T NECESSARILY BE JUST ONE PROJECT AT TIME.
AND TO THAT POINT DOING THE UH,
YOU TALKING ABOUT THE THE PAPERS PAPER? YES.
SO WOULD WE PUT THE PAPERS UNDER THAT INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT TOO? WOULD THAT ALL BE LUMP TOGETHER? THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE PROJECT.
MAYBE A SERIES THAT COULD MOVE INTO IT POTENTIALLY.
BECAUSE WE WANT WATER AND ELECTRIC ERUPT TO DO THE LIGHTS ON THAT PORTION AS WELL.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.
'CAUSE IT'S MOST, I DON'T KNOW IF SOME OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS HAVE WATER IN THE FRONT.
WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE WATER IN THE FRONT, UM, OF OUR PROPERTY.
SO WE, BUT I DON'T KNOW, UM, ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE OTHERS ON THAT BLOCK THERE BECAUSE THE DELI, THEY HAVE WATER IN THE FRONT.
THEY WOULD PROBABLY WANT, I THINK WHEN WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS WHEN WE HAVE SCHEDULED MEETING, I'M GONNA LUMP THE, THE TREE LIGHTING, THE UM, THE SPIGOTS AND THE REDO OF PAPERS AND LOOKING AT THAT IN THAT AREA.
SO WE GET PUBLIC WORKS, UTILITIES AND WATER RESOURCES TO COME TO A MEETING AND ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES TO US AND LET US KNOW WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO OR WHAT THEIR THOUGHT PROCESS IS.
AND WE'LL JUST PUT THOSE TOGETHER FOR A MEETING.
UM, WOULD SECURITY CAMERAS NEED PUBLIC RESOURCES? PUBLIC WORKS.
SO WHAT I CAN TELL YOU, SUE DOES NOT HAVE ANY SECURITY CAMERAS IN ANY OTHER AREAS OF TOWN OUTSIDE PUBLIC PROPERTY SUCH AS PARKS.
UM, AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE HEARD ARE ABOUT THE POTENTIAL TALK OF THEIR, THEIR SECURITY ISSUES, SAFETY ISSUES.
NOW BASED ON THE POLICE CALLS WE'VE RECEIVED THAT WE CAN'T VERIFY THAT.
BUT IF THIS GROUP HAVE SECURITY CAMERAS IN CERTAIN AREAS AND WOULD THAT, THAT'S SORRY.
I WAS GONNA SAY TO THAT POINT, WE HAD ALSO PROBABLY CONSIDER HAVING SOMEONE TO MANAGE THE DATA AND THE CIRCLING OF ALL VIDEOS RIGHT.
DEPART IT SEEMS LIKE A SOLUTION.
I WOULD JUST SAY WE CAN CATEGORIZE, UM, INTO SAFETY AND BEAUTIFICATION EASILY.
PAINTING THE LIGHT BULBS, TRASH CANS, PLANTERS, YOU KNOW, PRO, UM, THE, UM, CIGARETTE TIRES IF THAT WOULD ALL BE BEAUTIFICATION.
AND THEN SAFETY COULD BE UM, WHAT THIS ONE WAS UPGRADING THE CROSSWALKS.
UM, ANOTHER ONE I CAN'T FIND ARE OTHER, OTHER DEDICATED POLICE OFFICERS SECURITY DEDICATED.
YEAH, ACTUALLY I HAVE SOMETHING I WOULD BRING UP THAT YOU ALL CAN FEEL FREE TO THROW ROCKS AT ME 'CAUSE I HAVE A LOVE HATE WITH THIS CONCEPT MYSELF.
BUT, UM, BUT WALK, DON'T WALK INDICATORS AT
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THE MAJOR INTERSECTIONS.I FIND VERN IS NOT VERY PEDESTRIAN AND FRIENDLY IN TERMS OF WHEN IT'S SAFE TO STEP OFF THE CROSSWALK ON STREET.
WE GOT CROSSWALKS ON HO STREET, WE GOT 'EM ON.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POSSIBLY EXTENDING THE, UM, INNER CORE TO MAKE IT MORE FRIENDLY FOR RETAIL ON STREET.
SO IN FRONT OF THE, THE MARKS BUILDING IN FRONT OF THE CHURCH.
SO DO IT RIGHT AT THE END OF THAT.
THE THE END OF THE, UM, CURRENTLY WHERE THE SIDEWALK WE GO TO THE, UM, AS TAYLOR HOUSE I GUESS.
YOU KNOW THE LIGHT AT THE CHELSEA TO CROSS BROAD STREET.
HOPEFULLY THERE'S GONNA BE TRAFFIC LIGHT THERE.
WHAT WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS, UM, WE HAVE CONTRACT CONTRACTOR.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY, UM, IN, IN THE DESIGN AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE, UM, THE UH, CORRECT ARMS, THE NEW CROSSWALK, WHICH IS GONNA BE VERY NICE.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE COMPLETED BY OCTOBER 31ST.
SO THAT'S THE BEST I CAN TELL.
IT'LL BE DONE BY THIS HOLIDAY SEASON.
ANOTHER QUESTION YOU COULD PUT A CROSSWALK WOULD BE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE CIRCLE AT BROAD STREET.
YOU COMING DOWN ONE SIDE OF EAST FRONT, YOU HAVE TO CROSS ALL THE WAY OVER, GO BY THE LOT THERE BEHIND SIMMONS AND THEN COME ALL THE WAY BACK OVER, ACROSS IN FRONT OF THE TOWNHOUSES.
IT'S LIKE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S ACROSS THREE STREETS WHEN YOU ACROSS THE CORNER, I THINK YOU COULD LOSE IT TRAFFIC, BUT MIDCALF AND POLY.
YEAH, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
I'VE SEEN PEOPLE RUN THAT LIGHT.
WE, WE, WE TRIED THAT ONCE WE, WE HAD FROM THE PEOPLE, THEY DID NOT WANT IT.
THEY ZOOM AND THE RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA AND THE PEOPLE FELT VERY STRONGLY THAT THEY WANTED THE LIGHTS TO STAY THERE.
NOT YOU GOT A STOP SIGN BLOCK BEFORE YOU GOT A STOP SIGN THE BLOCK AFTER.
I CAN TELL YOU FROM EXPERIENCE THE POLICEMEN ON THAT STREET A LOT LATELY.
A CERTIFICATE OF APPRECIATION.
WHAT HAVE WE NOT CATEGORIZED? I THINK WE'RE DOING A GREAT JOB.
SO WE'VE GOT SOME CATEGORIES HERE NOW THAT WE CAN PUT THINGS TOGETHER WITH THE TREE LEGS.
'CAUSE MINE AND YOURS AND THEY JUST NEED TO CUT IT.
IT'S IN MY WINDOW ALL THE TIME.
SO WE, I WILL TELL YOU THIS PARTLY WHAT ONE OF THE PROJECT WE DID LAST YEAR WAS HAD COME IN, EVALUATE AND WE EVERY ONE OF THE TREES IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, UM, AND WE, WE CAN COURSE HAVE, HAVE OUR COME IN AND CHECK IN THIS YEAR, SEE WHAT ISSUES WE BRING.
THINGS WILL ACTUALLY BE JANUARY OF NEXT YEAR.
UM, BUT STILL COVID ARE THE STREET TREES.
THEY'RE NOT THE GREAT STREET TREE, BUT, BUT, BUT THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL.
UM, AND WE'RE SEEING ISSUES WITH THE ROOF ALL OVER THE SIDEWALKS DOWNTOWN WITH SOME THINGS.
UM, AND WHEN WE HAD THE UH, UH, THE APPEARANCE COMMISSION, WE TALKED ABOUT POSSIBLY CHANGING THAT TREE AND AT THAT TIME THAT APPEARANCE COMMISSION WAS NOT INTERESTED IN CHANGING THE TYPE OF TREE.
BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT, UH, MOVING FORWARD.
BUT AS WE DO HAVE TO TAKE THOSE TREES OUT, WE, WE ARE PUTTING SOCOS BACK IN.
KINSTON, YOU KNOW, QUEEN STREET ON IN KINSTON HAS THIS REALLY GREAT GREEN TREE THAT STAYS GREEN ALL YEAR LONG AND IT DOESN'T DROP LEAVES, YOU KNOW, IT'S GREEN ALL YEAR.
AND I'M LIKE, THAT'S A GREAT TREE.
AND IT IS LIKE, IT IS SORT OF LIKE, UM, THEY TRIM IT AND GIVE IT KIND OF ROUND AND GOOFY.
THEY'RE VERY, THEY LOOK VERY NICE.
AND THEN I'M GONNA TELL YOU THE LEAVES, I SWEEP LEAVES FOUR TIMES A DAY.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THEY ALL, AND I BLOW 'EM OUT AND THEY'RE BACK IN A FEW HOURS.
THEY JUST, YOU OPEN THE DOOR AND THE WIND BLOWS YOUR FACES JUST YEAH.
THE LEAVES ARE, UM, THEY'RE KIND OF PRETTY TO WALK THROUGH AND THEY MAKE A NICE SOUND IN THE WIND.
BUT YEAH, THEY'RE, YOU DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, YOU PROBABLY DON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM AND SOMETIMES MIGHT ALSO BE FULL OF THEM.
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SO WE HAVE SOMEONE SWEEPING IT EVERY DAY BEFORE RIGHT OVER THERE.WE'RE ALL BLOWING THEM ALL ON MY STOMACH.
SO WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT SOME CATEGORIES NOW.
WE'VE GOT, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE CAN PUT THINGS INTO.
WE'VE GOT SAFETY AND BEAUTIFICATION AREA WE CAN PUT SOME THINGS INTO.
AND I THINK THAT KINDA, UM, SETS THINGS UP.
I'D LIKE TO ALMOST SEE ANOTHER ONE CATEGORY BE LIKE A MAINTENANCE CATEGORY.
SO LIKE THE FARMER'S MARKET UPGRADES.
NOW, THE REASON WE WOULD DO UPGRADES HERE, GARAGE DOORS, RESTROOM, WE RECEIVE RENT.
THE FARMER'S MARKET PAYS RENT FOR LEASING THAT SPACE AND USING IT.
AND THAT THOSE FUNDS COME TO THE MSD.
SO THEREFORE WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE.
SO WE CAN ALMOST HAVE LIKE A MAINTENANCE CATEGORY WHERE WE WOULD PUT THE UPGRADES FOR FARMER'S MARKET, UM, REPAINT THE LIGHT POLES, UM, THE SAND BIAS AND POWER CODE AS A TREASURE.
SO THAT WOULD ALL BE TO ME, YOU KNOW, MAINTENANCE ITEMS IT BREED.
SO INFRASTRUCTURE, I'M NOT GOING, THIS IS A PICKLE POINT.
ATION, YOU KNOW, DUE RESPECT TO FOSTERING OUR ALDERMAN HERE, IT'S CURIOUS THAT MSG OWNS PROPERTY BUT DOES NOT HAVE THE LEGAL AUTHORITY TO GO AND MAINTAIN IT.
SO WE HAVE TO GET THE AL MAINTAINING THE FARMER'S MARKET.
THAT MSB OWNED PROPERTY THAT, I MEAN, THAT GOES WITH THE T PAPER.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S MSS D OWNED PROPERTY.
WE DIDN'T USE M MSS D DOLLARS.
IT'S OWNED BY THE CITY, BUT WE ARE RECEIVING THE LEASE PAYMENTS FROM IT.
YOU DECIDED THAT, BUT IT WAS REALLY BUILT THE FUNDS FROM THE, UM, I WANT SAY FDA OR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT WAS A, A FARMER'S AND A DEED COULDN'T BE MSD.
NOT ANY OF THE PROPERTY REALLY IS DEED TO THE CITY OF NEW.
BUT LIKE THE, THE PROPERTY ON THE CORNER, THE TABLETS LOT THAT WAS MSD FUNDS WERE SPECIFICALLY USED TO PURCHASE THAT PROPERTY.
YOU KNOW, THE ROUTINE MAINTENANCE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, PAINTING TRASH CANS AND FIXING ROLLING DOORS IS, I MEAN THAT SHOULDN'T EVEN BE A CONVERSATION TOPIC THAT JUST, IT'S NOT WORKING.
UM, BUT WE SHOULD HAVE A PLAN.
AND WE SHOULD PUT IT IN AS PART OF OUR PLAN.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE REQUESTED NEW DOORS THAT HAVE TO COME IN.
WE WOULD ADVISE, YES, THIS IS GOOD, THIS LOOKS GOOD.
IT'S PASSED HVC, WHATEVER THEY HAVE TO DO.
AND, AND MAYBE THE PLAN WOULD BE IN THE MS D BUDGET ANNUALLY TO PUT SOME NUMBER WHETHER 5,000 OR 50,000 FOR MAINTAINING IS RENT STILL 500 A MONTH? IT IS FIVE MONTH.
WE DO THAT FOR A VARIETY OF MAINTAIN THE HOUSE, MAINTAIN THE, UM, TO MAINTAIN THE FOUNTAIN IN JAMES RE LANE.
UH, WE HAVE FUNDS THAT WERE DEDICATED TRASH PICKED UP AS MANY TIMES THEY DO THAT NOW.
SO, UM, TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AUTOMATICALLY THE SAME THING WITH, UM, PARKING PATROL.
UM, FOSTER ALSO A QUESTION ON THAT TOO, JUST THINKING OUT LOUD, I WONDER ARE THERE ANY KIND OF FEDERAL GRANTS AVAILABLE THROUGH USDA OR SO TYPE LIKE THAT OR WORK ON FARMER'S MARKET WHO DOES IT? THEY USE GRANTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT? THERE, THERE COULD BE.
AND WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT.
THE BIGGEST ISSUE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH THE FARMER'S MARKET NOW IS, IS, UH, A BA ACCESSIBILITY FOR THE RESTROOMS. NOW BASED ON THE ELEVATION FOR THE FARMER'S MARKET, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO EXTEND OUTSIDE OF THAT ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT.
SO IT'S GONNA HAVE BE SOME RENOVATION ON THE INSIDE OF THERE.
BUT THAT, THAT'S THE BIGGEST ISSUE WE WERE HAVING WITH FARMER'S MARKET AND, AND INSTALLING MORE COMMERCIAL RELATED FANS TO HELP, UH, BLOW THAT HOT AIR OUT THAT BUILDING.
SO JUST THINKING ABOUT THAT END OF TOWN, UM, THE, UH, PROPERTY THAT WAS PURCHASED WITH SD MONEY ACROSS THE STREET, WHAT WAS THE THOUGHT PROCESS? WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH THAT ONE? I'M GONNA STOP YOU RIGHT THERE.
SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE, WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE GOTTEN A GRANT FROM THE INTERNATIONAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL WHEN THEY'RE COMING IN, IN ABOUT TWO MONTHS.
AND THEY'RE GOING TO EVALUATE THE, THE OLD DAYS END PROPERTY AND THE, THE SOUTH FRONT HANCOCK LOT TO GIVE US SOME IDEAS OF WHAT'S GONNA BE THE HIGHEST CONVINCED USE FOR THAT PROPERTY.
SO WE'LL BE HAVING SOME FOCUS GROUPS.
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INVITE FOLKS FROM THE MSD CHAMBER AND OTHER, OTHER, OTHER PARTIES AND THAT, THAT HAVE AN INTEREST TO TALK TO THE CONSULTANTS AND THEN PRESENT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE GOVERNING BOARD AT THAT TIME.SO MAYBE WE CAN TAKE THAT OFF.
IT'S ONE OF THE, WHAT IS, WHICH ONE? I THINK THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERENCING IS THE ENHANCED RAILROAD PROPERTY BETWEEN THE FARMER'S MARKET RAILROAD TRACKS.
IT'S ACTUALLY ON THE RIVERSIDE SOUTH.
PEOPLE PARK IN THE GRAVEL AREA THERE ADJACENT TO THE TRACKS.
AND ON THAT, OUTSIDE OF THE FENCE OF THE, AND SO IN REGARDS TO THAT PROPERTY, I HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE RAILROAD QUITE OFTEN.
THEY'RE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN A LEASE WITH THE CITY, UH, ON, ON THAT PROPERTY.
WE STILL HAVE SETBACKS WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH, WITH, WITH THE TRAINS COMING THROUGH THERE.
BUT THEY'RE NOT OPPOSED TO US COMING UP WITH A LANDSCAPING PLAN TO THAT.
BUT THEY DON'T PARK NO PARKING, UH, BASED ON, EVEN THOUGH EVERYBODY PARKS, BECAUSE I KNOW THEY HAVE A SAFETY ISSUE.
HAVING THE COURT DO THAT WHILE MY FRIEND RICHARD'S NOT GONNA LIKE THAT, BUT
WHAT I SUGGEST NOW IS BASED ON IS THERE ANY OTHER ADDITIONS THAT ARE NOT ON HERE THAT SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE, LIKE TO SEE? 'CAUSE WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS GET WITH FOSTER AND LET HIM RECATEGORIZE BASED ON WHAT WE SAID TODAY, WE HAVE A NEW LIST THAT SHOWS INFRASTRUCTURE, THIS, THAT, AND THEN WE'RE JUST GONNA BITE IT OFF.
WE'LL HAVE A WORK SESSION FOR INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE'LL HAVE A WORK SESSION FOR, YOU KNOW, THESE DIFFERENT TOPICS AND THEN COME IN AND START DECIDING WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO AND THEN TRY TO DEVELOP A PLAN BASED ON THAT.
SO THEN WE CAN FIND OUT WHAT DOES IT COST TO DO THIS? HOW DO WE FUND IT? THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER, YOU KNOW, UH, AVENUE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO DOWN.
OFFICER, WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THE RAILING ALONG THE WATER? SO THE ONLY AREA THAT WE HAVE NOT REPLACED YET IS OVER WHERE THE OLD SUDAN PROPERTY WAS.
AND THAT'S IN PRETTY BAD SHAPE.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT.
UM, DOES THAT QUALIFY FOR M MS D FUNDS? YES, IT DOES.
UM, THE MOST RECENT, UH, ADDITION WE DID WAS, UM, BACK ALONG WITH THE, THE CONVENTION CENTER, THE DOUBLE TREE.
AND WE SPENT APPROXIMATELY A HUNDRED, I THINK IT WAS $20,000 ON THAT UPGRADE.
UM, THERE ANY MONIES FROM HURRICANE DAMAGE.
AND WE CAN'T, WE ACTUALLY TRIED TO DO THAT.
WE TRIED TO REQUEST A CHANGE IN SCHEDULE WORK, UH, TO REPLACE THAT DURING, DURING THAT PROCESS AND, AND THAT THAT WAS NOT, UH, SUCCESSFUL.
UM, SO YOU HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED ABOUT COMMUNITY LIFE.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THESE FALL UNDER COMMUNITY LIFE, IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANNA IMPROVE THE COMMUNITY LIFE DOWN HERE.
I WAS KIND OF THINKING MAYBE THAT'S WHERE THE, THE BENCH, THE PORCH, I MEAN THE SWINGS THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT MIGHT BE, OR THE, THE PARK OR THE, UM, BANNERS.
BANNERS IS BEAUTY LIFE OR WHAT DO WE WANT TO CALL IT? JUST TO QUALITY OF LIFE? QUALITY? I DON'T KNOW.
I JUST TRYING TO COME UP WITH ANOTHER WAY TO SOMETHING ELSE.
THEY DON'T REALLY FALL UNDER, I DON'T THINK THEY FALL UNDER NAMES.
YEAH, I I I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING
SO WE'LL, WE'LL ADD THAT AS ANOTHER YOU IFICATION WELL WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT A SAFETY AND BEAUTIFICATION.
SO UNLESS MAYBE WE DIVIDE SAFETY AND BEAUTIFICATION AS PART OF QUALITY OF LIFE THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU WANNA HANGERS OR PAINT THINGS OR I DON'T KNOW.
SO I'M JUST SAYING, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, UM, IT COULD, IT ALL COULD FALL UNDER SAFETY AND UNIFICATION, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY NECESSARILY, WELL, IT COULD BE UNIFYING PUTTING FLOWERS OR FIND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND YEAH.
SO, UM, UH, PAINTING THE, UH, THE PARKING SPACE LINES AND ALL THAT.
THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT MSP, THAT'S SO THIS PARKING LOT OVER HERE, NOTHING.
THAT WILL BE MSSD SINCE FUNDS THAT ARE GENERATED FROM THAT GO BACK INTO THE MSD.
IN TERMS OF ON THE STREET WORKS, PUBLIC WORKS, IT'S DUE ALL OVER DOWNTOWN.
SOME OF THEM KIND WON BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN TWO OR THREE VERSIONS OF A PARKING SPACE AND IT IS NOT WONKY.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE ALSO DOING IS, IS WE STARTED ADDING HANDICAP PARKING SPACES DOWNTOWN.
SO YOU'RE GONNA SEE A REALIGNMENT ON SOME BLOCKS FOR THAT AS WELL.
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ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID, UH, I THINK CHRIS BROUGHT THAT UP, UH, WAS, UH, TURNING MIDDLE STREET INTO A ONE WAY AND CREATED A ONE WAY THE OTHER WAY SO THAT WE CAN INCREASE PARKING, PULL IN, PULL OUT.BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW HOW TO PARALLEL PARK.
DID WE, DID WE SCRATCH THAT OR, UM, WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT? I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK IT'S REALLY THAT ANYTHING HAS COME OF THAT.
UM, WE TALK BACK
WHO GOT THAT EMAIL? I MEAN, HELLO.
YOU WOULDN'T BELIEVE, BUT THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE WALKING.
I'M SAY OUT MIDDLE STREET IN PARALLEL PARK.
YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, IT'S SO, SO WHY ARE WE STILL PARALLEL PARKING? SO, BUT YOU KNOW, WITH THE WIDTH, THE WIDTH OF THE STREET HAD HOW MUCH YOU ALLOWED.
WE PROBABLY ONLY HAVE ONE, UH, ONE SIDE OF PARKING.
DOES THAT REDUCE THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE? BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL COMPLAIN AND SAY WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING.
I ON THE CORNERS SO WE'RE NOT LOCKING THE STREET.
I WOULD THINK IF IT'S ANGLED, YOU COULD STILL GET CARS ON BOTH SIDES.
WELL, YOU HAVE TO HAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES.
THEY'LL TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALL KINDS.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE TO HAVE
WELL, WE'VE HAD FOUR PARKING STUDIES IN THE LAST 40 YEARS IN EVERYONE.
I, EVERY, IF YOU WANT TO GO TO, UM, SWISS BAR TIME, THEY HAVE ALL THE
OVER THE YEARS WE'VE DONE LOTS AND LOTS OF PARKING SAYS.
AND THE INTERESTING THING IS, IT COMES BACK THE SAME TIME.
OKAY, HOW ABOUT WE, I EXAMPLE PARKING LOT AND ALL THE BIG CITIES.
NOW THAT YOU USE YOUR CODE, YOU GOT A NUMBER ON THE PARKING SPOT, THEN CODE GOTTA GO TO THE METER, WHATEVER.
THAT'S WHAT'S, WHAT IF WE STREET TO HAVE PEOPLE AROUND? WHAT IF WE DID THAT? PEOPLE, I DON'T THINK NEW IS READY FOR, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE, SO I WANNA REMIND YOU THAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS COMMITTEE IS COME UP WITH PROJECT POLICY.
I THINK WE, I THINK WE, WE COULD SIT HERE ALL DAY LONG AND ABOUT ALL THE WONDERFUL THINGS WE WANT TO DO IN OUR WONDERFUL DOWNTOWN AREA.
UM, BUT I, WE SPENT MORE TIME THAN I SAID WE WERE GONNA SPEND TODAY.
BUT I THINK WE, WE'VE GOT A LOT ACCOMPLISHED.
WE WILL GET ALL THESE NOTES TOGETHER AND GET THEM BACK OUT TO YOU AND GET YOU THE INFORMATION AS WELL AS, UM, I'LL SEND A COUPLE OF DATES OUT, MAYBE TWO OR THREE WEEKS.
WE CAN HAVE ANOTHER WORK SESSION.
AND THEN LOOK WHAT OUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING.
'CAUSE DURING OUR REGULAR MEETING WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE BUSINESS OF MS. D, LOOK AT FINANCIALS, REVIEW THE MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING, AND THEN TALK ABOUT WHERE WE'RE AT.
WE MAY HAVE DECIDED ON SOMETHING LOW HANGING FRUIT THAT SHE SAID THAT WE WANNA PRICE OUT AND MOVE FORWARD TO AT THAT MEETING.
BUT WE'LL, WE'LL SET THOSE AGENDA GOING FORWARD.
SO NEXT, UM, SCHEDULED MEETING IS THE 19TH OF MARCH THAT HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT YES, WHATEVER THAT, THAT WE DETERMINE THROUGH THE LAST ONE, WHICH I THINK THAT SOUNDS RIGHT.
SO THAT WOULD BE OUR NEXT REGULAR ONE.
PROBABLY IF WE COULD HAVE ANOTHER WORK SESSION PRIOR TO THAT, I'D LIKE TO DO THAT SO THAT WHEN WE GO INTO THE FULL YEAH.
THAT WE'LL HAVE SOME MORE TO OUR LEAD IF EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH THAT.
DO YOU WANNA LET ANYBODY SAY ANYTHING OR NO? NO, I THINK WE'RE GOOD.
ANYBODY, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING FOR GOOD HERE? ANYBODY ON THIS SIDE? OKAY.
SAY CAN I ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN? OKAY.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? THANK YOU ALL.