Feb 21, 2024 Historic Preservation Commission

AGAIN, FROM

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SH SHOULD I TRY AGAIN? YES.

REPEAT.

REPEAT.

FIRST DOWN, UH, BEING

[1. OPENING OF MEETING WITH ROLL CALL]

UH, MATT, WOULD YOU PLEASE TAKE THE ROLE? CERTAINLY.

UH, JIM MORRISON.

HERE.

GREGORY RUSH? HERE.

RICHARD PARSONS.

HERE.

TRIP YOUR, HERE.

MOLLY BALES.

HERE.

MARK NER.

HERE.

TIM THOMPSON HERE.

AND JIM BISBEE AND CANDACE SULLIVAN ARE EXCUSED.

YEAH.

AND SO I,

[3. CONSENT AGENDA]

THE, UH, NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA HAS TO DO WITH THE, UH, CONSENT AGENDA AND, UH, COMMISSIONERS.

THERE'S SOME MINUTES IN THERE, I THINK FOR SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, AND NOVEMBER, AS WELL AS A, UH, WRITTEN DECISION FROM OUR LAST MEETING.

UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE A NEED TO PULL ANYTHING FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? AND IF NOT, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THAT, PLEASE? SO MOVED.

SECOND.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD.

UH, HEARINGS.

UM, YOU HAVE YOUR INTRODUCTION YOU HAVE TO DO.

YEP.

[2. ADJUSTMENTS TO THE AGENDA]

HMM.

OH, I'LL ALSO SEE WHERE I SKIPPED, UH, ADJUSTMENTS TO THE AGENDA.

UM, THIS IS REALLY MAYBE MORE OF AN OLD BUSINESS ITEM, BUT SOME OF YOU HAVE BEEN TRACKING 5 0 6 CRAVEN STREET, UH, WHICH HAS, UM, COME CLOSE TO ITS 180 DAY EXPIRATION UPON WHICH THE COMMISSION WOULD HAVE TO TAKE ACTION.

UH, THAT THAT APPLICATION HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN, AND I UNDERSTAND IT'LL BE COMING BACK TO DESIGN REVIEW, UM, PERHAPS AS EARLY AS NEXT MONTH, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL WAIT TO SEE.

[4.A. HEARINGS: INTRODUCTION, SWEARING-IN, SUMMARY OF PROCESS]

BACK TO THE HEARINGS.

UH, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION IS A PUBLIC COMMISSION APPOINTED BY THE CITY OF NEW BERNS BOARD OF ALDERMAN.

IT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PRESERVING AND SAFEGUARDING NEW BERN'S, LOCALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICTS DOWNTOWN AND RIVERSIDE.

UM, UH, THOSE ARE, UH, US, UH, GOVERNED BY THE US DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, STATE STATUTES, CITY ORDINANCES, AND OF COURSE, NEW BERN'S HISTORIC STANDARDS.

TWO OF THE MAJOR TASKS OF THE HPC INCLUDE APPROVING APPLICATIONS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND PREVENTING DEMOLITION OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES DUE TO NEGLECT.

UH, THE HPC HOLDS A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING ON AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.

UH, THE COMMISSION HERE SWORN TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT PROVIDED BY PARTIES WHO RECEIVED NOTICE OF THE HEARING AND BY OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT EVIDENCE AND ARE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THE APPLICATION.

THE COMMISSION CANNOT CONSIDER COMMENTS BASED ON PERSONAL LIKES OR DISLIKES, HEARSAY OR PERSONAL OPINION.

UH, THAT CANNOT BE DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE SPECIFIC HISTORIC GUIDELINES.

LIKEWISE, COMMISSIONER SHALL REFRAIN FROM STATING PERSONAL OPINION, PERSONAL LIKES OR DISLIKES, OR HEARSAY DURING THE HEARING.

THE COMMISSION'S DECISION ON AN APPLICATION IS BASED SOLELY ON THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PRESENTED AT THE HEARING THAT DIRECTLY RELATES TO THE HISTORIC STANDARDS.

UM, AT THIS POINT, ANYONE HERE TONIGHT IN OUR AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? UH, WE ASK THAT YOU BE SWORN IN.

MM-HMM.

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AND SO WE KNOW WE'VE GOT AN APPLICANT.

YES.

AND THERE MAY BE OTHERS.

SO IF ANY OF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK THIS EVENING ON, UH, PARTICULARLY WITH, UH, RELATED TO FIVE 10 RAVEN STREET, UM, WE NEED YOU TO COME FORWARD AND WE'LL SWEAR YOU IN AND NAME AT LEAST ONE PERSON.

WILL I HAVE SPOKEN TO IT? YES.

SO, UM, UH, AND WILL YOU ALSO BE NO.

ANYONE ELSE? NO.

OKAY.

AND YOU DON'T NEED TO SQUARE ME INTO MM-HMM, .

OKAY.

WELL, VERY GOOD.

UH, DID WE RAISE A HAND? YES.

UH, DO YOU PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? .

SO DO YOU, DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE, UH, TRUTH TO THE BEST OF YOUR, OF OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE? I DO.

I DO.

OKAY.

THANKS FOR HELPING ME FUMBLE THROUGH THAT WAS NOT EXPECTING.

NO, SORRY, THAT'S BRAND NEW, BUT THAT HE HAS TO DO IT.

SO HE HAS TO DO IT AGAIN? NO, NO, HE JUST DID IT.

OH, OKAY.

THAT'S

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YEAH, I SHOULD HAVE STUCK WITH MY PRE-LAW DEGREE.

AND IF SOMEONE CHANGES THEIR MIND LATER AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, YOU CAN, UH, COME FORWARD AND ASK TO BE SWORN IN BEFORE YOU SPEAK.

ALRIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

SO HERE HERE'S A SUMMARY OF HOW WE WILL GENERALLY CONDUCT A HEARING ON A COA APPLICATION.

UH, THE HPC ADMINISTRATOR WILL PROVIDE AN APPLICATION OVERVIEW.

UH, THE APPLICANT, UM, WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO ALSO, UH, COMMENT ON THE APPLICATION.

UH, WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PROPONENTS AND OPPONENTS, UH, WHO RECEIVE NOTICE TO SPEAK, UM, WILL HAVE REBUTTAL.

AND, UH, ULTIMATELY THE, UH, HPC ADMINISTRATOR MAY HAVE SOME STAFF FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.

UH, THEN WE'LL HAVE ONE FINAL CHANCE FOR THE APPLICANT, UH, UH, TO ASK, UH, PARTICIPATE, MAKE COMMENTS ON THEIR APPLICATION.

AND THEN COMMISSIONERS WILL PICK IT UP FROM THERE, UM, AND ASK QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AND, UH, WAIVE THE EVIDENCE AT HAND.

UM, ULTIMATELY, WE'LL, THE CHAIR WILL CALL FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE OR DENY THE APPLICATION, UM, WITH STATED FINDINGS EFFECT.

AND, UH, THEN HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE A MOTION AND A VOTE.

SO, UH, A COA CAN BE APPROVED, APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS OR DENIED.

ALL RIGHT.

SO WITH THAT SAID,

[4.B. 510 CRAVEN ST. – to include a one-story addition in the Secondary and Tertiary AVCs.]

FIVE 10 CRAVEN STREET.

OKAY.

AND, UM, IF ANYONE'S INTERESTED, THERE ARE EXTRA COPIES OF THE AGENDA UP FRONT ON THE, UH, FRONT PEW OVER THERE.

ALRIGHT.

OH, SO THESE ARE ALL THE MINUTES, SORRY, IN THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS.

HERE WE GO.

OKAY.

UH, THIS IS THE, UH, FRONT PAGE OF THE APPLICATION.

THIS IS FOR, UH, FIVE 10 CRAVEN STREET AT, UH, THE META BID WHITFORD RENTAL HOUSE.

UH, THE OWNERS ARE TOM GLENDA DECKER AND THE APPLICANT WAS LUCIAN BOND.

UH, THE OWNERS ARE PRESENT, UH, MR. VAUGHN IS NOT, BUT WE CAN SEE, UM, THEY'VE FILLED OUT THE APPLICATION.

MR. VAUGHN HAS SIGNED THE APPLICATION AND, UH, THE CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS OWNER'S AUTHORIZATION FORM AND HAS BEEN SIGNED AND NOTARIZED FOR MR. BOND TO REPRESENT THEM, EVEN THOUGH HE IS NOT HERE TONIGHT.

HE DID REPRESENT THEM ALSO AT THE DESIGN REVIEW MEETING.

UM, SO THIS, UH, STARTS OFF WITH, UM, ARIEL, UH, PHOTOGRAPHY OF THE SITE.

FIRST ONE WAS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANTS.

YOU CAN SEE HERE THE, THE, UH, PROPERTY HAS A, UM, UH, SLIGHT DOG LEG TO IT.

UM, AND SO IT'S NOT QUITE THE NORMAL RECTANGULAR SITUATION.

UM, WHICH LEADS TO, UH, WHY THE DESIGN IS THE WAY IT IS.

UH, THEN, UH, STAFF HAS ADDED AN AERIAL, SHOWING A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTEXT AROUND THERE, SHOWING THE, UH, VARIOUS OTHER HOMES IN THE AREA.

UM, UH, SO THAT YOU CAN REFER TO THAT IF YOU WANT TO.

THIS IS THE SURVEY THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED.

AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THAT DOG LEG SHAPE FOR THE PARCEL.

UM, HERE WE SEE, UM, A DIMENSION UP HERE IN THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER OF 1.3 FEET AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE ON THE NORTH SIDE.

UH, AND THEN, UM, 11.6 FEET FOR THE HOUSE AND 13.2 FEET FOR THE REAR CORNER.

UM, LET'S SEE.

AND THEN 35 FEET ALL THE WAY FROM THE OTHER CORNER TO THE REAR PROPERTY LINE.

SO THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, UM, AND THE HISTORIC MARKER, BLACK AND THE, UM, LEFT FRONT CORNER OF THE HOUSE WITH THE NEIGHBOR'S, UH, DRIVEWAY, THE , BECAUSE REMEMBER IT WAS 1.3 FEET AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE THERE.

UH, THIS IS THE SIMILAR ANGLE, BUT WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE FRONTAL VIEW.

THIS IS THE 1.3 FEET WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

AND WE'LL SEE HERE IN A SECOND,

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UH, THEN THIS IS THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OR THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE.

AND, UH, NOW THE, UH, OWNER'S DRIVEWAY IS, UH, BEHIND THESE BUSHES, THE NEIGHBOR'S BUSHES HERE.

UH, AND YOU CAN SEE THE DESIGN OF THIS HOUSE, OF THE HOUSE ON THIS SIDE.

UH, THEN LOOKING FROM THE STREET DOWN THE DRIVEWAY.

AND THEN AT THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY THERE IS A, UH, A SMALL GATE AND, UH, SHORT FENCE.

UM, PART OF THE PROPOSAL IS TO MOVE THAT FENCE BACK TO THE CORNER, TO THE BACK CORNER OF THE HOUSE, UH, THAT YOU SEE THERE.

THIS IS THAT FENCE THERE.

AND THE CORNER IS RIGHT OFF THE LEFT EDGE HERE, NOT THE ONE ALL THE WAY AT THE BACK.

AND THAT'S LOOKING BACK TOWARDS THAT GATE.

THIS IS THE CORNER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THE ORIGINAL HOUSE, THE HISTORIC HOUSE, HISTORIC PORTION OF THE HOUSE.

THERE YOU GO AGAIN.

SO NOW THIS IS THE REAR ELEVATION OF THE HOUSE.

UH, AND THIS ONE STORY PORTION IS AN ADDITION THAT WAS DONE, I BELIEVE, BY MR. VAUGHN, UM, ABOUT A DECADE AGO.

AND THERE'S ANOTHER VIEW OF IT THERE.

SO THE ADDITION WILL BE ATTACHING TO AND MODIFYING THIS, UH, THIS ADDITION.

THE NEW WILL BE ATTACHING TO AND MODIFYING THIS EXISTING EDITION.

THAT'S ANOTHER CLOSER UP SHOT OF THAT CORNER.

AND EVEN CLOSER, IF WE DO ANOTHER CLOSER SHOT, WE'LL BE KISSING THE BRICK, I THINK.

SO INSTEAD, UH, LOOKING TO THE RIGHT, UH, YOU CAN SEE HOW THE EXISTING ADDITION ATTACHES TO THE ORIGINAL TWO STORY, UM, HOME.

AND THIS WINDOW HERE WILL BECOME, WILL BE, UH, EMBEDDED INSIDE THE NEW ADDITION.

THE NEW ADDITION WILL BE ATTACHING PRETTY MUCH TO THE, ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THIS WINDOW.

THESE TWO MECHANICAL UNITS WILL MOVE ELSEWHERE.

UH, AND THIS AREA HERE WILL BECOME A BATHROOM.

OH, LET'S SEE.

THOSE ARE THOSE TWO.

THERE'S A, UH, BA UH, CRAWL SPACE VENT.

AND THIS IS, UH, ONE OF THE OTHER WINDOWS THAT EITHER THAT SAME WINDOW OR ONE OF THE OTHER WINDOWS THAT WILL BE, UH, MODIFIED.

AND HERE'S THE DETAIL OF THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE, UH, THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC PORTION OF THE HOUSE.

AND THEN THERE IS A LARGE TREE, UH, IN THE FAR, UH, SOUTHEAST CORNER OF PROPERTY.

SO, UH, THEY PROVIDED THE FULL, UH, DESCRIPTION OF THE WORK, UM, FOR THE BEDROOM, BATHROOM EDITION, KITCHEN EDITION, UH, COVERED STUPID STEPS AND A LISTING OF ALL THE GUIDELINES THAT ARE APPROPRIATE IN THEIR OPINION TO THIS PROJECT.

AND THEN A LIST OF MATERIALS.

UH, FOR EXTERIOR WINDOWS, THEY'RE WOOD DOUBLE HUNG.

FOR EXTERIOR DOOR, THEY'RE WOOD FRENCH.

UH, THE SIDING IS WOOD CLAPPER SIDING TO MATCH EXISTING.

UH, THE BAND'S, CORNER BOARDS, FASCIA, SOFFIT, FREEZE CASING, STRIP CAP MOLDING ARE ALL WOOD TO MATCH EXISTING.

THE SIDE STOOP WILL BE FRAMING, UH, THE FRAMING, LANDING RAILING POSTS.

UNDERPINNING, UH, WILL ALL BE PRESSURE, TREAT PRESSURE TREATED WOOD, AND THE UNDERPINNING OR THE SCREEN UNDERNEATH IT, UH, THE WOOD LATTICE PRESSURE TREATED WOOD LATTICE.

UM, THEN ON THE ADDITION ITSELF, THERE WOULD BE METAL ROOFING.

I'M SORRY, THAT'S ON THE, THIS IS JUST FOR THE SIDE STOOP, UH, WILL BE METAL ROOFING.

OKAY.

SO TO THE DRAWINGS, UH, THIS IS ESSENTIALLY THE SITE PLAN, UH, FOR THE NEW SHOWING THE NEW ADDITION AND CROSS HATCHED IN BLUE.

UM, AND I GUESS, UH, YOU COULD SEE IT IS, HAS TWO LEGS, UM, THAT WRAP AROUND THE TWO, THE TWO SIDES OF THE EXISTING ADDITION.

UH, AND THEN A RECTANGULAR PORTION THAT EXTENDS OUT INTO THE REAR YARD.

UM, WE'LL SEE A FLOOR PLANTED ALL THIS IN A MINUTE.

AND THEN THERE'S A NEW STOOP, UM, 'CAUSE THE OLD STOOP WAS ON THE BACK,

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SO THAT'S A NEW STOOP ON THE BOTTOM.

UM, ADDITIONAL NEW THINGS ARE THE, UH, NUMBER NINE WATER HEATER GETS MOVED TO THE NEW OUTSIDE WALL.

THE, THE TWO MECHANICAL UNITS, UM, UH, GET A THIRD MECHANICAL UNIT TO JOIN THEM.

AND ALL THREE ARE ON THE BACKSIDE OR THE, LET'S SAY, NORTHEAST, UH, SIDE OF THE NEW ADDITION.

UH, THEN WE ALSO SEE HERE THE, THE GATE AND FENCE I MENTIONED EARLIER IS HERE ON THE LEFT ABOUT HALFWAY ACROSS THE, UM, HISTORIC HOUSE AND IS TO BE RELOCATED TO THE REAR CORNER OF THE HISTORIC HOUSE.

UM, LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE.

THAT PRETTY MUCH TAKES CARE OF THAT.

UH, THE DRIVEWAY IS ALSO THEN EXTENDED BACK TO PROVIDE A SECOND PARKING SPACE.

ALRIGHT, UM, HERE'S A ELEVATION DETAIL OF THE, OF THAT STOOP FROM THE SOUTH.

UH, AND I'M GONNA MAKE THIS A LOT SMALLER, SORRY.

SO WE SEE THE ACTUAL PLAN OVER HERE ON THE LEFT.

THIS HAPPENS TO BE THE FOOTING PLAN OR THE FOUNDATION PLAN.

UH, AND THEN ON THE RIGHT IS ALSO A WALL SECTION FOR THE CONSTRUCTION ALL THE WAY DOWN THROUGH THE FOOTING.

ALRIGHT, NEXT PAGE SHOWS, UM, THE FLOOR PLAN ON THE LEFT.

I'M GONNA MOVE THIS UP SOME MORE.

THERE WE GO.

UH, THE, THE ORIENTATION ON THIS PLAN IS DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER PLAN WAS, BUT, UH, SO NOW WE HAVE THE TWO LEGS THAT WRAP AROUND THE EXISTING ADDITION ARE SHOWN HERE.

AND THEN THE LARGE RECTANGULAR AREA EXTENDING INTO THE BACKYARD IS HERE.

ON THE UPPER LEFT, YOU CAN SEE THE THREE MECHANICAL UNITS THERE.

SO THAT'S A MASTER BEDROOM.

AND THEN WE HAVE THE BATHROOM, WHICH IS THE LEFT OR NORTHERN LEG.

UM, AND THE, UH, AN EXTENSION OF THE KITCHEN WITH A BREAKFAST ROOM, UH, IS THE, UH, OTHER LEG ON THE BACK OF THE, UH, EXISTING ADDITION.

AND THEN IN THE MIDDLE IS, UH, SOME, UH, COMPUTER ROOM AND SOME ACCESS WASTE HALLWAYS.

UH, SO IN ADDITION TO ALL OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED BEFORE, THIS PLAN ALSO SHOWS THAT THERE'S A PROPOSED CONCRETE PAD FOR A WHEELCHAIR LIFT, UH, RIGHT OFF THE, AND END THE RIGHT SIDE OR THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE STOOP.

UM, AND SO THE RAILING IS GONE ON THAT END, OR AT LEAST NOT SHOWN ON THAT END TO ALLOW FOR THE LIFT TO ACCESS THE STOOP.

FROM THERE, UM, YOU SEE THE DETAILS HERE FOR THE MECHANICAL UNITS.

AND THEN THIS ON THE RIGHT IS, UH, ESSENTIALLY THE SECOND FLOOR.

UH, AND JUST SHOWING LIKE A GHOST VIEW OF WHAT THE FIRST FLOOR PLAN IS BELOW EXISTING.

SO NEXT PAGE, UH, THESE DRAWINGS ARE THE, BASICALLY THE ROOF FRAMING, UH, PLAN ON THE RIGHT.

AND ON THE LEFT IS A, A ROOF SLOPE, UM, PLAN SHOWING THE, THE SLOPE EVERYWHERE IS A THREE AND 12 SLOPE.

UM, AND THEN THE MODIF, SOME OF THE FRAMING ON THE, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS SOMEWHAT MODIFIED FROM EXISTING.

OKAY.

WE MAKE THIS A LITTLE BIGGER TEMPORARILY, APPARENTLY, UM, CAN GO AWAY.

THERE WE GO.

UH, THIS IS JUST THE EXISTING FRONT ELEVATION OF THE HOUSE.

AND THEN WITH THE NEW ADDITION WAY IN THE BACK, UH, BEHIND THE NEIGHBOR'S FENCING AND BUSHES AND EVERYTHING, AND WITH A ONE AND A HALF FOOT GAP, UH, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SEE SOME OF THE ACTUAL, UH, ADDITION FROM THE STREET.

UM, OKAY, SO NOW WE SEE THIS ONE.

THIS IS NOW THE, UH, SOUTHERN SIDE OR THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOUSE

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AND THEN THE PROPOSED IS THIS, WHERE YOU SEE THE, UH, THE STOOP HAS BEEN ADDED TO THE END OF THE ONE LEG.

AND THEN THE, UH, THE LARGE, THE BEDROOM WING IS NOW, UM, ANGLING BACK, UH, INTO THE BACKYARD.

UM, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THE ROOF AT THIS POINT, UM, BECAUSE OF THE NOW LONGER DISTANCE TO THE EDGE OF THE HOUSE.

UM, ALSO TO NOTE HERE IS THAT THE FOUNDATIONS, SINCE THE LAST TIME SINCE THE DESIGN REVIEW MEETING, THEY HAVE, UH, ACTUALLY PUSHED BACK THE, UH, PANELS BETWEEN WHAT THEY REPRESENT AS PEERS IN THE FOUNDATION.

SO THEY'VE NOW ADDED THAT 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE EXISTING HOUSE HAS, UH, THE, UH, HISTORIC PORTION OF THE HOUSE.

UM, THEY ALSO HAVE ADDED AN ACCESS DOOR HERE.

AND, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE PROPOSED PRESSURE, TREATED WOOD ACCESS DOORS UNDERNEATH THE, UM, STOOP INSTEAD OF PREVIOUSLY IT WAS JUST A LATTICE.

SO THIS IS NOW THE EXISTING REAR ELEVATION.

AND IN ADDITION TO THE CHANGES THAT ARE HAPPENING ON THE FIRST FLOOR, THE OF NOTE IS THE SECOND FLOOR WINDOW.

UH, THIS WINDOW, UM, WILL, ENDS UP CHANGING IN SHAPE.

UH, SO THAT ONE IS TO BE REMOVED, UH, AND SAVED AND I BELIEVE USED ELSEWHERE.

UM, AS WELL AS THE OTHER WINDOW ON THE FIRST FLOOR.

REMEMBER WHEN I, UH, WE LOOKED AT THE PHOTOGRAPHS AND THERE WAS THAT WINDOW, UH, THAT WINDOW WILL BE FILLED IN.

AND SO THEY WILL REMOVE THAT WINDOW AND SAVE IT, AND I BELIEVE THEY REUSE IT.

ALSO.

THE OTHER ONE IS ON THE BACK HERE IN THE, IN THE EXISTING ADDITION, THIS WINDOW ALSO WILL BE REMOVED AND SAVED AS, OH, I GUESS ALSO THE FRENCH, THE EXISTING FRENCH DOOR AS WELL.

SO I BELIEVE THEY REUSE ALL OF THOSE.

SO NOW HERE'S THE NEW PROPOSED, UH, A ADDITION.

AND YOU CAN SEE STARTING FROM THE TOP, THERE'S THAT WINDOW THAT'S NOW A SLIGHTLY SMALLER, UH, SIZE.

THEN THE ADDITION ITSELF WITH THE STOOP ON THE LEFT.

UH, AND THEN THE VARIOUS WINDOWS ON THIS SIDE, YOU CAN SEE THREE ON THIS SIDE.

THERE'S NONE ON THE BACK.

THERE ARE THE THREE MECHANICAL UNITS SHOWN THERE, AND THE VARIOUS, UH, CHANGES IN ROOF LINES.

AND, UM, THE, THIS VERTICAL LINE REPRESENTS THE CURRENT EDGE OF THE CURRENT EDGE OF THE EXISTING ADDITION, UM, WHICH WILL NO LONGER BE THERE.

OKAY.

THE EXISTING, UH, NORTH OR LEFT ELEVATION, UH, WITH THE ONE FOOT THREE SETBACK ON THIS, ON THIS SIDE HERE.

BUT, UH, THAT'S THE EXISTING CONDITION.

AND THEN WITH THE NEW ADDITION, NOW ON THIS SIDE, WE HAVE FOUR WINDOWS.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE SAME, UH, PATTERN ON THE FOUNDATION CONTINUES ON THIS SIDE.

THERE'S ANOTHER ACCESS DOOR.

SO ALSO REQUESTED AT THE DESIGN REVIEW MEETING WAS A, UM, SOME IDEAS TO THE LANDSCAPING, UH, FOR THIS PROJECT, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THE VERY HIGH FOUNDATION.

UH, SO HERE'S THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.

UM, AND, UH, THEY INDICATE SOME, UM, THESE FIVE VARIOUS DIFFERENT KINDS OF PLANTS, AND THEY'RE ALL NUMBERED HERE AROUND THE PERIMETER.

AND THEY'RE ON THE, UH, SOUTHERN, THE SOUTHEASTERN, AND THE NORTHEASTERN, UH, SIDES OF THE HOUSE.

UM, THOSE ARE SHOWN ALONG THE NORTHWESTERN SIDE.

AND THEN WE HAVE HERE OUR ZONING AND INSPECTIONS REVIEW, UM, THIS BIGGER, SO WE CAN ACTUALLY READ IT, UH, FOR FIVE 10 CRAVEN STREET.

AND, UH, WE CAN SEE AT THE BOTTOM THAT THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR HAS SAID THAT IT, THAT THE PROJECT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE.

AND THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR HAS INDICATED THAT THE PROJECT WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT, UH, WITH THE COMMENT BUILDING AND FLOODPLAIN DEVELOPMENT PERMITS ARE REQUIRED.

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OKAY.

VERY GOOD.

UH, MR. TOM, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD THAT MATT MAY HAVE OVERLOOKED? I DON'T THINK SO.

OKAY.

I, IS THERE ANYONE IN OUR AUDIENCE WHO WOULD, UH, LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE APPLICATION? SEEING NONE, UH, NO.

NO NEED FOR REBUTTAL.

SO MATT, IF YOU COULD GIVE US, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.

OKAY.

SHOULD HAVE JUST STAYED THERE.

YEAH, SORRY.

NO, .

ALL RIGHT.

ALRIGHT, SO THESE ARE OUR FINDINGS AND EVALUATION FOR A PROJECT OF FIVE 10 CRAVEN STREET FOR THOMAS AND GLENDA DECKER.

UH, THE HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME IS THE MEADOW WHITFORD RENTAL HOUSE, UH, BUILT IN 1914.

IT IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE, IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

AND THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY DESCRIPTION FROM 2003 DESCRIBED THE HOUSE AS TWO STORIES WITH AN L PLAN.

THREE BAYS WIDE MENTED RIGHT FRONT BAY, AND A HIP ROOF FOR SAND BECK.

UH, THE DESCRIPTION IN 1988, UH, THE MOST RELEVANT INFORMATION IS, UH, THIS TWO STORY FRAME, HOUSE EXHIBIT, SIMPLE COLONIAL REVIVAL DETAILING.

SO, UH, THE PROJECT, OOPS, IS NOT FOR FIVE 14 EAST FRONT STREET, BUT FOR FIVE 10 CRAVEN STREET IS TO INCLUDE A ONE STORY ADDITION AND RELOCATED FENCE GATE AND THE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY ABCS AND STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDE STANDARDS, AKA GUIDELINES THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR UTILITIES 2.3, 0.1, TWO AND SIX FOR LANDSCAPING, 2.4 0.1, AND THREE FOR PARKING, 2.7 0.1 AND FOUR FOR DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, 0.1, TWO, AND FOUR FOR MODIFICATIONS, 3.2 AND TWO FOR ADDITIONS.

3.3 0.1, TWO, AND THREE FOR FOUNDATIONS.

4.2, THREE, FOUR AND FIVE.

UH, TO NOTE IS THE BFE.

THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION IS 10 FEET, NABD 88 AND PLUS TWO FEET FOR FREEBOARD EQUALS, UH, A, UH, ESTABLISHED FLOOR HEIGHT OF 12 FEET, NABD 88.

UH, THEN 4.1 0.6 FOR WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION, 4.21 AND FOUR FOR WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS, 4.3 1, 2, 3, AND SIX FOR ENTRANCES, 4.4, 0.14, AND FIVE FOR ROOFS.

4.51 FOR ACCESSIBILITY AND LIFE SAFETY, 4.7 0.2 FOR MASONRY, 5.1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, AND SIX.

AND FOR WOOD, 5.2 0.1, TWO, ONE, AND TWO, UH, FOR PAINT, UH, 5.4, 0.23 AND FOUR.

AND FOR CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS, 5.5 0.6.

SO STATEMENTS OF FACT BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION ARE, ONE, THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

TWO, THE PROJECT IS IN ADDITION TO A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY ABCS.

THREE, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN STANDARDS.

AKA GUIDELINES.

FOUR.

THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.

AND FIVE, THE APPLICATION IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, MATT.

OKAY.

UH, COMMISSIONERS, UH, AS YOU FORMULATE QUESTIONS OR, UH, WHAT TYPE OF INFORMATION WE MIGHT WANT TO DISCUSS, I'VE MADE A LIST OF THINGS THAT HAVE CHANGED SINCE DESIGN REVIEW.

MR. TOM, YOU LET ME KNOW IF I MISS ANYTHING.

UM, BUT WE'VE GOT AN ILLUSTRATION SHOWING THE RELOCATION OF THE FENCE AT THE DRIVE, UH, LANDSCAPING PLAN.

WE'VE GOT MECHANICAL UNITS THAT I PRESUME SHOWS THE CORRECT BASE OR, UH, DESIGN FLOOD ELEVATION, UM, HEIGHT THAT WAS REFERENCED IN THE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS.

UM, THERE'S A PLACE FOR A WHEELCHAIR LIFT THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE NEW, BUT IT WAS NEW TO ME TONIGHT.

AND THEN LASTLY, I THINK THE FOUNDATION ARTICULATION HAS CHANGED

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UH, THE INTENT THERE THAT IS THAT PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING MR. TOM, THAT'S CHANGED.

DID I? YES, SIR.

OKAY.

SO I'M DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB.

SO, UH, WITH THAT, JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE AND, UH, WHAT KIND OF QUESTIONS DO WE HAVE? AND IF WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING SPECIFIC, WE MAY WANNA START WITH OUR, UH, SITE QUESTIONS AND WE CAN WORK THROUGH OUR MATRIX IF THAT'S HELPFUL.

IT'S A QUESTION REALLY FOR THE ADMINISTRATOR IS THAT YOU HAVE CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS, BUT I DON'T SEE ANY CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS ARE THERE? WELL, UM, LET'S SEE.

OH, UH, THAT'S PROBABLY CORRECT.

UM, I WAS GUESS I WAS INCLUDING THAT THINKING OF, UM, ASPHALT SHINGLES, BUT NO, SO IT'S NOT ASPHALT SHINGLES METAL ROOF, SO, OKAY.

OH, UH, YES, THAT WAS IT.

YEP.

OKAY.

GOOD CATCH.

YEP.

AND THEN THIS IS REALLY MINOR, NOT INTENDED TO SLOW ANYTHING DOWN, BUT, BUT THERE'S REALLY NOTHING REFERENCING YOUR LIGHTING AND SO YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE A LIGHT BY THE BACK DOOR OF SOME.

THERE'S LIGHT BY THE BACK DOOR.

IT'LL BE A FLOODLIGHT FOR THE BACK TO STAFF.

YEAH.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF MR. CHAIR GETTING IT TO MATT, MR. CHAIR, CAN WE HAVE THE GENTLEMAN COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE SO WE CAN CAPTURE HIS RESPONSES? , THANK YOU, COUNSELOR.

SO IT'S NOT INTENDED TO SLOW IT DOWN, BUT JUST TO HAVE IT IN THE BOOK THAT THOSE LIGHTS RIGHT THERE WILL BE AS THE EXISTING LIGHTS FIXTURES AS THEY'RE ON THERE NOW, WE'LL MOVE 'EM AROUND TO THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE WHERE THE WALK, UH, STAIRWELL GOES UP AND THERE'S A FLOOD LIGHT TO BE ON THAT BACK CORNER.

JUST THAT AREA IS THE EXISTING, NOW THAT'S THE ONLY LIGHTS SAFETY, BUT YOU'RE JUST REUSING THE EXISTING, USING THE EXISTING FIXTURES.

OKAY.

WE USE THE EXISTING WINDOWS WHEREVER WE POSSIBLY CAN.

YEAH, APPRECIATE THAT.

YEAH.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT NEEDS ANY APPROVAL, BUT NO.

BUT YEAH, LOOKING THROUGH THE LIST, I MEAN, IT'S, UM, THE FOUNDATION WALLS, TRIM, MENTATION, WINDOWS, ENTRANCES, ROOFS, EVERYTHING MATCHES EXACTLY WITH THE GUIDELINES.

APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU AND YOUR ARCHITECT DID.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

YEAH.

ALL RIGHT.

AND COMMISSIONER MORRISON HELPED ME RIGHT ALONG, GO GOING THROUGH THE MATRIX JUST IN ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR COULD WE EVEN HAZARD A MOTION AT THIS POINT? MAYBE IF, UH, BE, UM, EITHER BEFORE OR AFTER YOUR MOTION AND DISCUSSION? UM, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE, UH, THE FLOODPLAIN PERMIT, UH, MAY OR MAY NOT AFFECT, UH, THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING.

SO, UH, WE DON'T THINK SO, BUT WE'RE NOT SURE.

AND THE, UH, THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO DO THE, UM, DETERMINATION IN TIME FOR THE MEETING TONIGHT.

AND THEY WILL DO THAT THEN DURING THAT, DURING THAT PROCESS.

SO THERE'S POTENTIAL THAT, UM, THEY MAY BE, UM, UH, EITHER FORCED TO EITHER ELEVATE OR LOWER THEIR FLOOR, UH, OR SOMEHOW IN SOME OTHER WAY CHANGE THEIR DESIGN.

SO YOU MAY WANT TO ADD THAT AS A CONDITION TO THE, UM, COA PER, PERHAPS ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT THAT IS IF WE HAVE A CHANGE, IT WOULD BE COMING BACK TO US.

THAT'S CORRECT.

YEAH.

YEP.

THAT WOULD, AND, AND SO I THINK FOR KNIGHT, WE CAN ASSUME THAT AS AN AMENDMENT THEN THAT UH, UH, WE SHOULD INTERPRET THE DRAWINGS WITH THE DESIGN FLOOD ELEVATION SHOWN.

AND SHOULD THERE BE A CHANGE, MR. TOM, YOU COME BACK IN AND CHECK WITH MATT? CORRECT.

AND HE'LL GUIDE YOU AS TO WHERE WE NEED TO GO FROM THERE.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

SO ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER COMMENTS OR, WELL, LET'S HAVE A MOTION.

OKAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE.

WE FIND THE APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR FIVE 10 CRAVEN STREET TO BE NOT IN CONGRESS WITH NEW BERN'S CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTION 15 4 11 TO 15 4 29 IN NEW BERN'S HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS, IN FACT, UTILITIES 2.32 AND SIX, LANDSCAPING 2.4 AND THREE, PARKING, 2.7 0.1 AND FOUR, DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, TWO AND FOUR, MODIFICATIONS, 3.2 0.1, AND TWO ADDITIONS, 3.32 AND THREE FOUNDATIONS, 4.4 2, 3, 4, 5, AND SIX.

WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION, 4.1

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ENTRANCES, 4.44 AND FIVE.

ROOFS 4.5.

ACCESSIBILITY IN LIFE SAFETY, 4.7 0.2.

MASONRY, 5.1, 0.1, 2, 3, 4, 5, AND SIX.

WOOD, 5.21 AND TWO, PAINT.

5.4, 0.23 AND FOUR.

AND STATEMENTS.

FINDINGS OF FACT, THE STRUCTURE IS IN A CONTRIBUTING IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE TYPE WE DEVELOPING PATTERN PROJECT IS IN ADDITION TO A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY ABCS, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN STANDARDS, ALSO KNOWN AS GUIDELINES.

THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR HAVE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.

AND THE APPLICATION IS NOT IN CONGRESS WITH THE GUIDELINES.

SECOND.

SECOND.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND? UH, ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO ISSUE A COA? SO MOVED.

SECOND.

GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU LADIES.

CONGRATULATIONS.

GOOD DESIRE REVIEW.

VERY MUCH.

THANKS FOR ALL YOUR WORK.

WE'RE TRYING.

IT'S GOOD.

ALRIGHT.

AND SO I BELIEVE THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR .

LET'S SEE.

DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC OLD BUSINESS ITEMS. MATT, IS THERE ANYTHING UNDER OLD BUSINESS THAT YOU NEED TO COVER THAT I'M UNAWARE? UM, LET'S SEE.

SORRY.

NO.

OKAY.

UM, ARE THERE ANY GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT.

WE'RE DOING WELL TONIGHT.

NO, NO.

UH, SUGGESTIONS OR INSIGHTS? UH, I DON'T SEE ANY NEW BUSINESS.

[8. HPC ADMINISTRATOR’S REPORT A. REPORT ON MAJOR COAS ISSUED - 11/03/2023 to 2/07/2024 305 North Ave. – demolition and redevelopment with 2-story infill house 308 Johnson St. – new accessory structure 514 E. Front St. – small addition 720 E. Front St. – amended CoA for removing basement and garden wall, other revisions 817 Pollock St. – remodel accessory structure B. REPORT ON MINOR COAS ISSUED - 11/03/2023 to 2/07/2024 119 Middle St. – driveways and parking 204 Metcalf St. – tree replacement 207 & 209 New St. ROW – tree replacement 208 E. Front St. ROW – tree replacement 214 Metcalf St. – replacement roofing 215 New St. – tree replacement 301- 303 Hancock St. – windows, railing repair and replacement pieces 306-310 Bern St. – new storm windows, mechanical units, replace gutters 312 Metcalf St. – new rear porch 508 C St. – walkway 508 Metcalf St. – tree replacement 508 Middle St. – front and rear handrails – conditions completed 508 Middle St. – minor landscaping 511 Broad St. – garden and tree 512 George St. – chimney replacement 514 E. Front St. – minor landscaping 520 Craven St. ROW – tree replacement 606 Hancock St. ROW – tree replacement 615 New St. – enclose side entrance nook 706 E. Front St. – two mini-split units 1203 National Ave. – front and side steps replacement 1308 N. Pasteur St. – tree replacement C. REPORT ON EXTENSIONS ISSUED: 715 E. Front St. – demolition decision only; no CoA issued to extend D. OTHER ITEMS AND UPDATES BY THE ADMINISTRATOR]

UH, MATT, IS THERE ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR WE NEED TO COVER ON MAJOR COAS ISSUED, UM, AND MINOR COAS ISSUED RECENTLY? NO, BUT THE NEXT ONE, UH, THE EXTENSIONS THAT WERE ISSUED ON, UH, WE ISSUED AN EXTENSION ON THE DEMOLITION DECISION.

AND AS YOU KNOW, WE DON'T ISSUE COAS ON DEMOLITION UNTIL WE HAVE BOTH, UH, THE DEMOLITION APPROVED AND THE REDEVELOPMENT APPROVED, UH, FOR SEVEN 15 EAST FRONT STREET.

UM, THAT IS THE, UH, SMALL, UH, NOW, UH, HALF DEMOLISHED, UH, BUILDING OR HALF, UH, UH, DESTROYED BUILDING, UH, ALONG EAST FRONT STREET NEAR QUEEN STREET.

UH, AND UH, THAT APPROVAL WAS ALMOST A YEAR AGO NOW, UH, AND FOR THE DEMOLITION, BUT, UH, THEY HAVE NOT YET, UM, PUT TOGETHER A REDEVELOPMENT PLAN.

UH, BUT THEY DID CONTACT ME, AND SO THEY ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN.

SO, UM, I GRANTED THEM AN EXTENSION ON THAT DECISION AS OPPOSED TO A COA, JUST A TECHNICALITY THAT I WANTED TO CLARIFY.

AND YOU MAY HAVE SAID, BUT I DIDN'T HEAR HOW LONG THAT EXTENSION WAS.

UH, FOR ONE YEAR.

ONE YEAR.

SORRY.

YES.

VERY GOOD.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

UH, LASTLY, COMMISSIONER COMMENTS.

DO WE HAVE ANY OF THIS EVENING? ALL RIGHT.

MOTION TO ADJOURN THEN.

SO MOVED SECOND.

ALL RIGHT.

WE STAND ADJOURNED.

EXCELLENT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.