Mar 20, 2024 Historic Preservation Commission

UH, DO YOU HAVE MINUTES TO APPROVE OR NO? UH, NO MINUTES TONIGHT.

[1. OPENING OF MEETING WITH ROLL CALL]

CALL THE ORDER.

THE MARCH MEETING OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.

APOLOGIZE FOR THE, I GUESS IT WASN'T A BRIEF DELAY, REALLY.

IT'S A LONG DELAY.

UM, AND IF ANYBODY HERE IS, UH, WAITING ON SEVEN 15 EAST FRONT STREET, THAT ONE HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM THE AGENDA.

UM, DO WE HAVE A ROLL CALL? CERTAINLY.

PRESENT TRIP Y? HERE.

JAMES BISBEE? HERE.

TIM THOMPSON? HERE.

RICHARD PARSONS? HERE.

MARK GARNER.

HERE.

AND, UH, MOLLY BELLS HAS BEEN EXCUSED.

[3. CONSENT AGENDA]

NO MINUTES.

UH, ALL ALRIGHT.

AND THE ONLY CHANGE TO THE AGENDA THAT I KNOW, WAIT, WAIT, I'M SORRY.

WE DO HAVE WRITTEN DECISION THOUGH.

YOU HAVE? OH, THE WRITTEN DECISION GETS APPROVED? YES.

THAT'S FROM LAST MEETING.

AND HAS EVERYBODY GOTTEN A COPY OF THE WRITTEN DECISION? YES.

ARE THERE ANY, ANY, UH, SUGGESTIVE CHANGES? NO.

WE NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE.

YES, SIR.

MOTION TO APPROVE THE WRITTEN DECISION FROM LAST MEETING.

MAKE MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND MOVE.

AND SECONDED.

WE APPROVE THAT DECISION.

ALL IN FAVOR? STATE AYE.

ACTUALLY SKIP THE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE AGENDA.

OPPOSED? THAT IS APPROVED.

AND WE DID

[2. ADJUSTMENTS TO THE AGENDA]

YOU NEED TO DO THAT AS WELL.

ARE THERE ANY OTHERS BESIDES SEVEN 15 EAST FRONT? NO.

NO.

UM, SOME BRIEF WORDS OF INTRODUCTION.

I'M SORRY.

WE, WE NEED TO DO THE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE AGENDA.

UH, MOTION TO APPROVE THE REMOVAL OF SEVEN 15 EAST FRONT STREET FROM THE AGENDA.

I MOVE SECOND.

MR. CHAIR, JUST TO BE CLEAR ON THAT MOTION.

IS THAT CON, IS THAT REMOVING IT OR CONTINUING IT TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING, WHICH IS IT? UM, CONTINUING TO THE NEXT MEETING.

SO, MR. PARSONS, WAS YOUR MOTION TO CONTINUE SEVEN.

THAT FIVE BE TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING IN APRIL? WHO IS THIS? SECONDER? YES.

SO MOVED.

I SECOND MOVED.

IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.

WE APPROVE THE CONTINUANCE OF SEVEN 15 EAST FRONT STREET TO THE NEXT MEETING, THE APRIL MEETING, WHICH WILL TAKE PLACE ON APRIL 17TH.

17.

APRIL 17TH.

APRIL 17TH AT FIVE 30 IN THIS ROOM.

RIGHT.

ALL IN FAVOR STATE AYE.

OPPOSED? THAT'S DONE.

[4.A. HEARINGS: INTRODUCTION, SWEARING-IN, SUMMARY OF PROCESS]

HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION IS A PUBLIC COMMISSION BY THE CITY OF NEW BERN'S BOARD OF ALDERMEN.

IT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR PRESERVING AND SAFEGUARDING NEW BERN'S, LOCALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICTS DOWNTOWN AND RIVERSIDE BASED ON US DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, STATE STATUTES, CITY ORDINANCE, AND NEW BERN'S HISTORIC GUIDELINES.

TWO OF THE MAJOR TASKS OF HPC, INCLUDING APPROVING APPLICATIONS FOR CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS AND PREVENTING DEMOLITION OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES DUE TO NEGLECT.

WE HOLD A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING, WHICH THIS IS ON AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS.

THE COMMISSION HEARS SWORN TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT, BY PARTIES WHO RECEIVED NOTICE OF HEARING AND BY OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY'RE RELEVANT EVIDENCE AND ARE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THE APPLICATION.

THE COMMISSION CANNOT CONSIDER COMMENTS BASED ON PERSONAL LIKES OR DISLIKES, HEARSAY OR PERSONAL OPINION.

THAT CAN'T BE DIRECTLY RELATED TO SPECIFIC HISTORIC GUIDELINES.

AND LIKEWISE, THE, THE COMMISSIONERS WILL REFRAIN FROM STATING PERSONAL OPINIONS, LIKES AND DISLIKES, AND HEARSAY DURING THE HEARING COMMISSION BASIS, DECISIONS SOLELY ON THE APPLICATION AND THE TESTIMONY AND THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED IN OUR, UH, IN OUR HEARING AND THE GUIDELINES.

YOU WANT TO SWEAR IN, UH, PRESENTERS YOU GET TO DO THAT NOW? I GET TO DO THAT, YEAH.

OH, FROM HERE? YES.

DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH? NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH TO HELP YOU? GOD, THANK YOU.

CAN THOSE WHO ARE GOING TO TESTIFY TONIGHT COME FORWARD? WILL YOU ALL RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND?

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WELL, THAT WAS MY OPENING LINE LAST TIME.

IN YOUR ABSENCE, EVERYONE, I USE THE SAME THING.

PRINT YOUR NAME.

THAT'S WHERE I WOULD THAT RIGHT E EACH OF YOU THAT SWORE ARE GOING TO SIGN IN THERE.

WELL, AND WHILE THAT TAKES PLACE, I WANNA JUST COVER THE SUMMARY OF HOW THIS, UH, PROCESS IS GONNA TAKE PLACE.

UM, HPC ADMINISTRATOR, MATT IS GONNA PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE APPLICATION.

THE APPLICANT OR REPRESENTATIVE WILL, WILL PRESENT IT AND HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON IT.

PROPONENTS AND A PROPONENTS WHO RECEIVE NOTICE OF A HEARING CAN PRESENT EVIDENCE.

UH, REBUTTAL IS ALLOWED BY THE APPLICANT AND BY PROPONENTS AND PROPONENTS WHO RECEIVE NOTICE.

OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THEY HAVE RELEVANT INFORMATION OR BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED CAN PRESENT EVIDENCE.

HPC ADMINISTRATOR WILL PRESENT THEIR STAFF FINDINGS.

THE APPLICANT OR REPRESENTATIVE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE ANY FINAL COMMENTS.

THE COMMISSIONERS WILL HOLD A DISCUSSION ON THE EVIDENCE AND MAY ASK FOR SOME CLARIFICATION.

AND THEN WHEN THAT IS COMPLETE, I WILL ASK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE OR, OR DENY THE APPLICATION, UH, WITH THE STATED FINDINGS OF FACT.

AND THE MOTION WILL BE DISCUSSED.

I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE AND WE'LL VOTE.

AND A COA CAN BE APPROVED.

IT CAN BE APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS OR DENIED.

OKAY, WE READY

[4.B. 506 CRAVEN ST. – to include enclosing the first floor back porch, open a second floor porch, change windows in the rear, and add a parking area, all in the Secondary AVC.]

FOR THE FIRST ONE? YES, WE ARE.

SO THIS EVENING, OUR FIRST ONE IS, UH, THE APPLICATION FOR 5 0 6 CRAVEN STREET.

AND WE SEE HERE ON THE SCREEN, UH, THE APPLICATION ITSELF HAS BEEN FILLED OUT, UH, AND SIGNED AND DATED BY THE OWNER'S AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE WHO IS WITH THIS FORM BECOMES THE AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE.

AND THAT HAS BEEN SIGNED AND NOTARIZED.

SO NOW THIS IS MUCH SMALLER OR MUCH TOO LARGE.

ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR STRUCTURE.

HERE IS THE FIRST PAGE OF THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS AND THE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE EXISTING, UH, HOUSE.

UM, YOU CAN SEE THE, THE WELL-KNOWN, UH, IMAGE ON THE LEFT.

UH, IN THE MIDDLE IS THE ACTUAL REAR OF THE HOUSE THAT, UH, FACES NEW STREET.

MM-HMM, NEW STREET CHANGE, CHANGE STREET.

OH, SORRY.

UH, AND THEN ON THE RIGHT, UH, YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT OF THE RIGHT SIDE OR THE NORTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE.

UM, AND THEN DOWN BELOW LOWER LEFT, UH, IS FROM CHANGE STREET.

YES, THE, UH, THE DRIVEWAY, UH, ENTRANCE AND THE FENCING THERE.

AND AGAIN, ANOTHER VIEW FROM A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT ANGLE.

YOU CAN SEE A BETTER VIEW OF THE HOUSE OR THE REAR SIDE OF THE HOUSE ON THIS, FROM THIS ANGLE.

AND THEN FINALLY, AGAIN, FROM INSIDE, A LITTLE BIT CLOSER UP VIEW OF THE HOUSE.

SO, UM, AS WE LEARNED IN THE, UH, DESIGN REVIEW MEETING, DANG, LET'S DO THIS.

UH, THE PROJECT IS TO REMOVE THOSE REAR STEPS, UH, AND ENCLOSE THAT, UH, AREA OF THE PORCH.

THIS IS THE SITE PLAN, WHICH SHOWS THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY AND PARKING AREA AS WELL.

UM, THIS ENTERS OFF OF CHANGE STREET, UH, AND IS LIMITED TO THAT AREA THERE, SHOWN WITH THE KIND OF BRICK PATTERN.

UH, THEY ALSO PROVIDE AN IMAGE OF WHAT THAT BRICK PATTERN, UH, IS OVER HERE ON THE RIGHT.

UM, LET'S SEE, NEXT PAGE.

SO THIS IS A FLOOR PLAN OF THE EXISTING HOUSE THAT SHOWING WHAT'S TO BE REMOVED.

YOU CAN SEE HERE THE STAIRWAY DASHED IN IS TO BE REMOVED.

AND THE, UM, THE SCREEN, UH, UH, WALL FOR THAT, UH, EXISTING REAR PORCH IS TO BE REMOVED.

A COUPLE OF WINDOWS, UH, AND SOME INTERIOR THINGS, AS WELL AS RELOCATING THE EXISTING AIR CONDITIONING

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UNIT.

SO PUT DOWN, THIS IS NOW THE SECOND FLOOR EXISTING, UM, SHOWING THE MODIFICATIONS THAT BE NEEDED PRIMARILY FOR YOUR INFORMATION AND CONSIDERATION ARE THESE WINDOWS ALONG THIS, UH, UH, FACADE, THE REAR FACADE HERE.

AND SO NOW THE NEW PROPOSED PLAN, AGAIN, WE SAW THIS IN THE SITE PLAN, BUT NOW I'LL EXPLAIN, UH, THAT THE, UH, PORCH HAS BEEN ENCLOSED TO BECOME THEIR NEW KITCHEN.

UH, AND SO THE DOORWAY AND STEPS WERE NOT APPROPRIATE THERE.

AND THERE WILL BE CLOSING THAT WITH THESE, UM, WINDOWS ALONG THIS FACADE.

AND THEN CHANGING THE WINDOW ALONG THIS RIGHT HAND SIDE WHERE THE STEPS, UH, COME UP TO THE, UH, THE PLATFORM, UH, THAT WILL NOW BE DOORS INSTEAD OF A WINDOW OF COURSE.

AND THEN ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THAT SECTION OF THE HOUSE, THE WINDOW THAT IS THERE WILL BE CLOSED IN.

WE'LL SEE THAT ALSO.

SO WE HAVE NOW THE SECOND FLOOR, UM, WHEREAS THE DOWNSTAIRS, THE PORCH WAS ENCLOSED UP HERE, THEY ARE REOPENING A FORMER PORCH OR A PORTION OF A FORMER PORCH.

AND THIS NOW THE CENTRAL AREA HERE IS NOW OPEN WITH A HANDRAIL, UH, BASICALLY IS THE ONLY, UH, IS WHAT THIS DOUBLE LINE INDICATES HERE.

SO THIS AREA IS OUTSIDE, UH, AND THEY'VE RE REMODELING THE REST FOR SOME BATHROOMS. SO THESE ARE, UM, ENLARGED IMAGES OF, UH, PLANS AND THE KITCHEN LAYOUT.

AND SO THESE ARE NOW, UH, ELEVATION SHOWING THE EXISTING CONDITIONS WITH THE THINGS TO BE REMOVED ARE ALL DASHED IN.

SO THE STAIRWAY HERE FROM THE SIDE OR FROM THE FRONT, UH, LOOKING AT THE SIDE OF THE STAIRWAY, THE STAIRWAYS TO BE REMOVED, THE WINDOWS TO BE REMOVED IN THE BACKGROUND, THAT WILL BE THE DOOR DOUBLE DOORS.

AND THEN FROM THE BACK HERE, YOU CAN SEE THE, THE SCREENED IN PORCH.

UM, ALL OF THOSE ELEMENTS TO BE REMOVED.

AND THEN THE WINDOW ON THAT, ON THE LITTLE, UH, ONE STORY PORTION IS ALSO TO BE REMOVED.

UM, LET'S SEE.

SO HERE WE GO.

SO THIS, THESE WOULD THEN THE NEW ELEVATIONS.

SO ON THE LEFT WE HAVE, UH, KIND OF THE FRONT, UM, VIEW, UH, FROM THE POINT.

AND UH, YOU CAN SEE THE NEW STAIRS AND THE NEW DOUBLE DOORS.

AND ON THIS ELEVATION, YOU SEE THE, UH, AREA THAT WAS AN OPEN SCREEN PORCH IS NOW TO BE FILLED WITH, UH, NEW WOOD SIDING TO MATCH THE REST OF THE HOUSE IS WOOD SIDING, UH, PLUS SOME TRIM AROUND IT.

AND THEN, UH, YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE SIDE VIEW OF THE STEPS, THE NEW WINDOW ON THE END, THE NEW WINDOWS IN THAT NEW SECTION WITH THE WOOD SIDING.

AND THEN UPSTAIRS YOU CAN SEE THE NEW, UH, UH, NOW IT'S A BALCONY PORCH, UH, OVERLOOKING WITH ITS, THIS IS THE GRAY AREAS AND OPENING, UH, AND THEN THE NEW WINDOWS TO THE LEFT AND RIGHT OF THAT.

SO, AND THEN HERE WE HAVE, UM, AN ELEVATION OF THE SIDE WHERE THE ONE WINDOW IS ALSO TO BE REMOVED AND CLOSED IN.

UH, AND THEN A DETAIL OF THE RAILING SHOWING THE RAILING IS INDEED CENTERED ON, ON THE HANDRAIL AND THE BOTTOM RAIL.

AND IT IS SPACE THREE INCHES, UH, APART.

AND THEN JUST A, IN A DRAWING SHOWING THAT, UH, INTERESTING, UM, PAVING PATTERN.

AND, OH, SORRY.

WE HAVE THE, UH, Z AND I, UH, ZONING AND INSPECTIONS, UH, FORM WHERE THEY, UH, REVIEWED THE PROJECT AND THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR HAS SAID IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF LAND USE ORDINANCE.

PLEASE SUBMIT A ZONING PERMIT.

UH, AND THEN THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR SAYS THAT IT WILL OF COURSE REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.

AND THEN WE'RE READY WITH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS WHENEVER, OR OUR FINDINGS AND EVALUATION WHENEVER YOU ARE.

DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO ADD ANYTHING? NO.

OBJECT.

ARE THERE ANY PROPONENTS OR OPPONENTS PRESENT WHO WISH TO COMMENT HEARING NONE.

ANYBODY ELSE WHO HAS ANY RELEVANT INFORMATION THAT THEY WANT TO DISCUSS? NO.

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I THINK WE'RE READY FOR YOUR FINDINGS.

WELL THAT WAS PREPARED FOR DISCUSSION.

ALRIGHT, SO, UM, NO PROBLEM.

ALRIGHT, SO THESE ARE THE FINDINGS AND EVALUATION, UH, FOR THE PROJECT FOR RICHARD AND LINDA METING, UH, AND GO ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN.

THE APPLICANT'S ADDRESS IS, UH, I'M SORRY, THE PROJECT ADDRESS IS 5 0 6 CRAVEN STREET.

UH, THE HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME IS THE SMITH WHITFORD HOUSE, UH, FROM CIRCA 1772 TO 1782 AND WAS REMODELED IN 1875 TO 1880.

IT IS THEREFORE A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.

AND THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY DESCRIPTION HAS IT AS TWO AND A HALF STORIES, FIVE BAYS WIDE WITH THE DIOCLETIAN ATTIC WINDOW AND GABLE ROOFS.

UH, THE SANDECK DESCRIPTION FROM 1998, THE MOST RELEVANT INVER INFORMATION OUT OF HIS, UM, SEVERAL PARAGRAPHS IS, UH, MOST OF THE ORIGINAL NINE SIX AND SIX SIX S SURVIVE.

IT WAS BACK IN 1988.

AT THE REAR IS A TWO STORY PORCH, PROBABLY NOT ORIGINAL, BUT OF EARLY CONSTRUCTION.

AND THEN, UM, 5 0 6 CRAVEN STREET.

THE PROJECT IS TO INCLUDE ENCLOSING THE FIRST FLOOR BACK PORCH, OPEN A SECOND FLOOR PORCH, CHANGE WINDOWS IN THE REAR, AND ADD A PARKING AREA ALL IN THE SECONDARY.

A, B, C UH, STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDE DESIGN STANDARDS, AKA GUIDELINES THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR UTILITIES.

2.3 0.1, 2.3 0.2, AND 2.3 0.6.

UM, HIGHLIGHTED SOME ITEMS TO, UH, THINK ABOUT OR, UM, NOTE, UH, OOPS FOR LANDSCAPING 2.1, 2.4 0.3 FOR FENCES AND GARDEN WALLS.

2.5 0.2 FOR PARKING, 2.7 0.1 FOR DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.11, 3.2 3.4 FOR MODIFICATIONS.

3.21.

3.22 FOR WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION.

4.2 0.1 4.24 FOR WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS.

4.31, 4.32, 4.3 0.3 4.34 FOR ENTRANCES, 4.4, 0.14 AND FIVE FOR WOOD.

5.2 0.1, AND TWO FOR PAINT.

5.4 0.1, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR.

AND THE STATEMENTS OF FACT, BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION ARE ONE, THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

TWO, THE PROJECT IS A REMODEL TO A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE SECONDARY A, B, C3.

THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN STANDARDS.

AKA GUIDELINES.

FOUR.

THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.

AND FIVE, THE APPLICATION IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.

SO THE HPC MAY WANT TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.

ONE, UH, REVISED PLANS ACCORDING TO THE CHANGES AGREED UPON AT THE HEARING SHALL BE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT FOR THE HPC STAFF FOR APPROVAL ACCORDING TO THE GUIDELINES AND PRIOR TO THE FINAL INSPECTION BY THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DIVISION.

AND TWO, FOR THE REPLACEMENT TREE OR TREES, EITHER REVISED SITE PLAN, LANDSCAPE PLAN, OR TREE REPLACEMENT PERMIT SHALL BE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT TO THE HPC STAFF FOR APPROVAL ACCORDING TO THE GUIDELINES AND PRIOR TO THE FINAL INSPECTION BY THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DIVISION.

UM, TO POINT OUT, UM, 'CAUSE I MENTIONED IT THERE, UH, THE, UH, THERE ARE TO BE TREES TO BE REMOVED AT LEAST ONE, UH, AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE DRIVEWAY, UH, IN ORDER TO WIDE IT, UH, SLIGHTLY, UH, AS THEY PROPOSE.

UM, AND THEN THE OTHER HIGHLIGHTED ITEMS, UM, ARE THINGS YOU MAY WANT TO, UM, DISCUSS OR ASK THE APPLICANT ABOUT.

THAT CONCLUDES OUR FINDINGS.

BUT YEAH, I THINK THAT'S IT.

DO YOU WISH TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT? THEY'RE TAKING OUT ONE CREPE MYRTLE AND, UH, UH, WE SHOULD HAVE PUT IT ON THE APPLICATION, BUT THEY'RE HAPPY TO REPLACE THAT CREPE MYRTLE AND, UH, THE SCREENING, UH, FOR THE AIR CONDITIONING UNITS.

UM, PERHAPS WE COULD BRING THAT BACK TO MATT.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE ADDRESSED.

UM,

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OR THE, AND THE LIGHT FIXTURES UP THERE.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

UM, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD BRING BACK TO YOU AS WELL? SURE.

COMMISSIONERS, COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, I NOTICED THAT YOU'VE ADDED THE CHIMNEYS TO THE DRAWING.

YOU'VE ADDED MORE CHIMNEYS THAN I WAS EXPECTING TO SEE.

OH, I UNDERSTAND.

WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER WHAT HAPPENS ON THE INTERIOR, BUT YOUR INTERIOR DRAWINGS DON'T SHOW ANYTHING.

HOLDING UP THAT THIRD CHIMNEY ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, IS THAT CHIMNEY SCHEDULED TO COME DOWN THERE? THERE ARE THREE CHIMNEYS ON THE DRAWINGS.

AND IS THAT CHIMNEY GOING TO STAY? YES.

AND WHAT'S GONNA HOLD IT UP? I'M NOT, WE'RE NOT TAKING IT DOWN.

YOU, YOU, IT'S, IT'S BENDING UP IN ITS ENTIRETY.

WE'RE NOT ANYTHING STRUCTURALLY ON THE INSIDE THAT WOULD DAMAGE IT.

WHICH TO ME ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? IT'S THE STOVE FLEW IN THE, ON THE PORCH AND THE THE LITTLE ONE.

YEAH, THE LITTLE ONE ONE THERE.

RIGHT NOW IN THAT SPACE THERE IS LIKE AN AIR AIR CONDITIONING UNIT AND UM, IT'S ON THE PLANS THAT, THAT LITTLE AREA WHERE IT IS, WE'RE NOT REMOVING THAT ROOM.

YOU COULD PROBABLY SEE IT ON THE DEMOLITION PLANS EASIER.

WELL, WELL I SEE THE ROOM, BUT I DON'T, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BEEN REWORKED WITHOUT THE CHIMNEY.

THAT'S WE, I DIDN'T, I DID NOT SHOW THE EXISTING HVAC UNIT IN THAT ROOM JUST BECAUSE IT'S ON THE FIRST FLOOR.

THE, UM, WELL, AS LONG AS THE CHIMNEY IS GOING TO BE VISIBLE ON THE OUTSIDE, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I'M CONCERNED ABOUT.

WE ARE NOT REMOVING IT.

MY QUESTION IS ANSWERED.

SO IT'S, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT SHOWN IN THE DRAWING, THE UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S NOT GONNA BE, IT'S, IT IS SHOWN IN THE DRAWING.

IT IS, IT IS SHOWN IN THE DRAWING.

IT'S ON, IT'S ON THE ELEVATIONS.

IT'S THE SMALL CHIMNEY.

THE LITTLE CHIMNEY RIGHT THERE.

OH, OKAY.

OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? NO, I, I, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING TO CRITIQUE.

UM, WE TALKED ABOUT SCREENING ITEMS. IF MATT POINTED OUT THE LIGHT FIXTURES WITH TREES WE CAN DEAL WITH LATER.

UM, BUT IT, IT'S MEETS ALL THE GUIDELINES HAS WOOD WINDOWS, DOUBLE, UH, DOUBLE MUS.

UM, NOTHING I COULD POINT OUT THAT IS A CONCERN.

OF TREES OR NEW PLANTING OR NEW LIGHT FIXTURES.

ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO COMMENT OR QUESTION? HEARING NONE.

I'LL CALL FOR A, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE.

OKAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE.

WE FIND THE APPLICATION FOR 5 0 6 CRAVEN STREET TO BE NOT IN CONGRESS WITH NEW BERN'S CODE OF EVIDENCE.

SECTION 15 4 11 TO 15 429 AND NEW BERN'S HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT, UTILITIES 2.31, TWO AND SIX, LANDSCAPING 2.4 AND THREE FENCES AND GARDEN WALLS.

TWO, PARKING 2.7 0.1 DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.12 AND FOUR.

MODIFICATION, 3.2 0.1 AND TWO WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION, 4.1 AND FOUR WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS.

4.3 0.23 AND FOUR ENTRANCES, 4.414 AND FIVE WOOD, 5.2 0.1 AND TWO.

PAINT FORTH.

5.4 0.1 AND TWO, THREE AND FOUR.

UH, FIND THE FINDINGS OF FACT.

THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE TIGHT WE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN PROJECT IS A REMODEL TO A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE SECONDARY A, BC THREE.

THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES OR STANDARDS.

THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.

AND YOU MUST APPLY FOR A ZONING PERMIT.

FIVE.

THE APPLICATION IS.IN CONGRESS WITH THE GUIDELINES.

UH, THE ONLY CONDITION WOULD BE THAT, UH, FOR REPLACEMENT OF TREES OR LIGHTS, UH, I'M SORRY, NOT REPLACEMENT OF LIGHTS, BUT REPLACEMENT

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THE APPLICATION SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE APP BY THE APPLICANT TO THE HPC STAFF FOR APPROVAL ACCORDING TO THE GUIDELINES AND PRIOR TO THE FINAL INSPECTION BY THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DEPARTMENT.

EXCUSE ME.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

WE, UH, APPROVE THIS APPLICATION.

ALL IN FAVOR? STATE AYE.

OPPOSED? IT'S APPROVED AND THE CONDITIONS WOULD BE REVIEWED WITH MATT.

AND THEN TO ISSUE THE COA MOTION TO ISSUE A COA MAKE MOTION TO ISSUE A C SECOND MOVE AND SECONDED.

WE ISSUE COA ALL IN FAVOR? STATE AYE.

OPPOSED? SHALL BE DONE.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

[4.C. 217 HANCOCK ST. – to include adding a new rear addition, change the basement access cover and six windows, plus several other minor work items in the Secondary and Tertiary AVCs.]

TWO 17 HANCOCK.

ALRIGHT, SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, AS WE PREPARE TO HEAR THIS, I'VE HAD SOME EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS, UH, WITH PAUL STEVENS.

UM, HE CALLED AND THE NATURE OF HIS CALL WAS TO CONFIRM THE THINGS THAT WE HAD ASKED DURING DESIGN REVIEW TO COME BACK.

HE WANTED TO MAKE SURE HE HAD COVERED EVERYTHING.

AND, UH, I, I DON'T BELIEVE THOSE COMMUNICATIONS IN ANY WAY AFFECT MY ABILITY TO, UH, PARTICIPATE IN THIS HEARING.

I DIDN'T ASK YOU FOR THE FIRST ONE, BUT I'LL ASK NOW.

ARE THERE CONFLICTS OF INTEREST WITH, WITH THIS ONE? I, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH, WITH BILL.

HE ASKED ME TO SCAN A FEW DOCUMENTS FOR HIM A FEW MONTHS AGO.

UH, AND I POINTED INTO SOME THINGS IN THE GUIDELINES.

UH, BUT THAT'S THE, THE EXTENT OF THE COMMUNICATION I HAD WITH HIM.

MR. THOMPSON, UM, DID THOSE COMMUNICATIONS CAUSE YOU TO HAVE A FIXED OPINION ABOUT THE APPLICATION? NO, UH, I HAVE, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS APPLICATION, UM, FOR QUITE A WHILE.

'CAUSE I WAS THE CHAIRMAN BACK IN TWO, WAS IT 2013, I BELIEVE, BILL, WHEN YOU BROUGHT THIS UP.

AND WE HAD, UH, EXTENSIVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, UM, ABOUT THE CHANGES ON THE BACK.

AND WHAT WE ENDED UP, UH, DOING WAS, UM, APPROVING THE APPLICATION AS PRESENTED TO DO A FULL RESTORATION AT THE TIME.

AND DOES YOUR INVOLVEMENT WITH THE APPLICATION PREVIOUSLY ON THE BOARD AND THE COMMUNICATIONS YOU JUST DISCLOSED, DO EITHER OF THOSE CAUSE YOU ANY CONCERN ABOUT BEING ABLE TO MAKE A FAIR AND APPROPRIATE DECISION BASED ON THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED TONIGHT? NO.

SO THIS IS THE APPLICATION, UH, AND AGAIN, UH, IT'S FILLED OUT WITH ALL THE APPROPRIATE INFORMATION IN VARIOUS FONT SIZES AND, UH, THE REST OF THE INFORMATION AND IS THERE AS WELL WITH THE, UH, SIGNATURE BY THE OWNER AND DATED.

AND SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS HOUSE, UM, ON HANCOCK STREET.

NOW EVERYONE RECOGNIZES WHICH ONE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

UH, AND, UH, THIS IS A SIDE VIEW.

THESE ARE FROM GOOGLE STREET VIEW FROM 2018.

UM, AND THEN, UH, THEY ALSO HAD SOME VIEWS FROM 2007 TO SHOW YOU THE PROGRESS AND THE, UH, UH, EVOLUTION OF THE PROJECT OVER TIME HERE AND NOW THIS IS A, AN AERIAL, UH, VIEW, SHOWING YOU THE SITE BOUNDARIES.

THE HOUSE IS ON THE RIGHT WITH THE RED ROOF, UH, AND THE BACK OF THE LOT IS, UH, HAS A LOT OF TREES.

THERE'S ACTUALLY A GARAGE BACK THERE.

UM, BUT THIS IS AN AERIAL FROM 2024.

THE APPLICANT'S PROVIDED THESE PHOTOS, UM, WHICH ARE MUCH BETTER.

AND THEY SHOW THESE, UH, AREA OF THE PR OF THE HOUSE, UM, IS SUBJECT OF TONIGHT'S APPLICATION.

UH, PRIMARILY THE RIGHT HAND, UH, PHOTO IS THE REAR OF THE HOUSE.

THAT'S WHERE MOST OF THE CHANGE WILL OCCUR.

BUT THERE'S A COUPLE OF CHANGES ON THE LEFT HAND PHOTO AS WELL WITH REGARD TO THE WINDOWS AND ALSO THE ACCESS TO THE BASEMENT, UH, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT HARD TO SEE IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH.

UM, IT'S

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MAYBE A LITTLE BIGGER.

UH, SO WE'LL DO THAT.

OH, THAT'S TOO MUCH.

GO SLOW.

SO HERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, THIS ACCESS HERE ON THE LEFT.

UM, THEN THE BOTTOM PHOTOGRAPH, UH, SHOWS US THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE, WHICH IS THE, UH, SOUTHERN SIDE AND THE, UH, OWNER'S DRIVEWAY ALONG THIS SIDE.

UM, AND THIS SIDE ALSO, UH, WILL PRIMARILY HAVE SOME WINDOW MODIFICATIONS OVER HERE, OR PROPOSED, UH, WINDOW MODIFICATIONS.

I'M GONNA HAVE TO GO SMALLER AGAIN.

AND IN THIS CASE, UH, WE HAVE THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR HAS, UH, INDICATED TWO PARKING SPACES, UH, AND THAT IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE.

SO NOW WE HAVE A, UH, FLOOR PLAN FOR THIS.

UM, AND YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER.

THIS IS A FLOOR PLAN OF JUST THE REAR ADDITION AREA THAT WE'RE, UH, CONSIDERING TONIGHT.

THE REST OF THE HOUSE HERE IS SHOWN, UH, BLANK.

UH, BUT SO ON THE BOTTOM IS THAT, UM, UH, STRUCTURE FOR THE, UH, BASEMENT ACCESS.

UH, WE'LL SEE THAT ON THE ELEVATION.

AND THEN A NEW ADDITION IS ESSENTIALLY EIGHT FOOT, TWO EDITION ON THE VERY BACK, WHICH INCLUDES THIS ENCLOSED AREA IN THE, ON THIS CORNER, AND THEN A DOUBLE BALCONY OR A DOUBLE PORCH, UH, ON, UH, UH, THIS UPPER PORTION HERE.

UM, THEN ALSO SOME NEW WINDOWS ARE SHOWN HERE, BOTH ON THE REAR AND THEN, UH, ON THE, UH, SOUTHERN SIDE.

AND THEN, UH, YOU SEE THERE'S SOME STEPS TO THIS FIRST FLOOR PORCH, UH, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.

THEN, UH, THE NEXT ONE IS THE SECOND FLOOR.

AND YOU CAN SEE THESE ARE THE STAIRS THAT COME UP FROM THE FIRST FLOOR AND ROUNDING AROUND, UH, TO ACCESS THE SECOND FLOOR.

AND THEN THERE'S THE SECOND FLOOR PORCH.

UM, AGAIN, NOW WE HAVE, NOW IN THIS CASE WE HAVE, UM, THREE EXISTING WINDOWS THAT WILL BE REPAIRED.

AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE DOWN HERE, THESE ARE NOW THREE NEW WINDOWS ON THIS SIDE, AND THEN ONE ON THE END OF THE NEW ADDITION.

AND OF COURSE, A NEW DOOR ALSO, UM, ONTO THAT NEW PORCH.

SO LOOKING FROM THE NORTH ELEVATION, UM, WITH THE ADDITION ON THE RIGHT, UM, WE CAN SEE THE FOUR WINDOWS HERE NOW WE HAVE, AND THE NEW BULKHEAD FOR THE BASEMENT, UH, ACCESS.

UH, WE HAVE TWO NEW, TWO OVER TWO WINDOWS, UH, AT THE TOP HERE.

I'M SORRY, I'D SAY 3, 4, 4 OF THEM.

ALL FOUR OF THOSE ARE NEW.

ALSO THE, UH, UH, NEW WINDOW ON THE NEW ADDITION OF COURSE.

AND THEY ARE LOOKING TO ALSO REPAIR THE EXISTING SIDING ON THIS ELEVATION.

UH, STARTING FROM LEFT TO RIGHT, WE HAVE THAT ACCESS DOOR.

AND THEN, UH, THE NEW ADDITION, THE NEW CONSTRUCTION OF THE ADDITION ITSELF.

THIS BEING THE, UH, SOLID, UH, ENCLOSED PORTION ON THE LEFT WITH THE SECOND FLOOR WINDOW.

AND THEN THE TWO, UM, STORY, UH, PORCH ADDITION ON THE RIGHT, UH, WITH A NEW WINDOW AT THE FIRST FLOOR.

AND I BELIEVE THESE WERE REPAIRED WINDOWS ON THE SECOND FLOOR.

THIS, UH, ADDITION WILL HAVE SOME NEW STANDING SEAM METAL ROOFING.

UH, AND, UH, THEN THE GABLE END WILL HAVE A NEW, UH, VENT, UH, IN THE TIP OF THE GABLE.

UH, THE CHIMNEY GETS A NEW LITTLE PROFILE SPARK ARRESTER.

WE HAVE ONE MORE ELEVATION TO GO SOUTH ELEVATION.

AND HERE, UH, YOU CAN SEE THE, THE STAIRWAY FROM THE SIDE, THE PORCH, UM, UH, THE TWO PORCHES HERE WITH THE TWO DOORS.

AND THEN, UH, A NUDE TWO OVER TWO WINDOW ON THE LOWER LEFT.

AND THE REST OF THE WINDOWS WILL BE REPAIRED, EXISTING WINDOWS, AND THEY'LL BE REPAIRING THE EXISTING SIDING ON THE SIDE AS WELL.

SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE PROPOSAL.

UH, WE HAVE OUR ZONING AND INSPECTIONS FORM HERE AS WELL.

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UH, PLEASE SUBMIT A ZONING PERMIT AND SITE PLAN SHOWING THE EXPANSION.

THEN THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR HAS INDICATED THAT THE PROJECT WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT, OF COURSE.

AND THEN WE'RE READY WITH OUR FINDINGS AND EVALUATION WHEN YOU ARE.

OKAY, SIR, YOU WANNA MAKE SOME COMMENTS? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

UH, MY NAME IS BILL CHO.

I'M THE OWNER.

AND, UH, I ACTUALLY OWN HALF OF IT.

AND, UH, LINDA LESLIE'S, UH, GRANDDAUGHTER OWNS THE OTHER HALF, BUT I'M THE TRUSTEE UNTIL SHE'S 25.

AND SO WE GOT A FEW MORE YEARS.

DO, OH, DO YOU HAVE SOME COMMENTS TO MAKE OR? OH, NO.

UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UM, TO, TO ALL OF YOU, UH, THIS IS THE THIRD TIME I THINK I'VE BEEN UP HERE IN 20 YEARS.

UH, SO IT'S, YOU FOLKS ARE FAMILIAR WITH IT.

UH, PAUL STEVENS, WHO IS THE ARCHITECT, HE'S THE ORIGINAL ARCHITECT.

AND AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, LEFT TOWN IS INCHING HIS WAY BACK INTO TOWN.

COULD NOT BE HERE TONIGHT.

UM, HE DID HELP ME AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD YOUR QUESTIONS FROM THE DESIGN REVIEW.

UH, I THINK THE MOST, UH, PRESSING QUESTION, IF I, UNLESS I'M WRONG, WAS ABOUT THE CHOICE OF WINDOWS.

AND I'M HAPPY IF I, IF YOU'D INDULGE ME, I COULD READ A STATEMENT FROM PAUL INTO THE RECORD TO KIND OF EXPLAIN THAT.

UH, THE CHOICE OF TWO OVER TWO WINDOWS FOR THE PROPOSED RENOVATIONS OF THE REAR WING OF THE NER HOUSE FOLLOWS THE ESTABLISHED TRADITION OF A DIFFERENT WINDOW TYPE BEING USED FOR EACH OF THE MAJOR ADDITIONS AND OR RENOVATION PROJECTS THAT PROCEEDED THE CURRENT PROPOSED ALTERATIONS.

WHILE THIS TRADITION, UH, AND HE HAS THAT IN QUOTES, WAS LIKELY HAPPENSTANCE BASED ON WHAT WAS AVAILABLE OR CHEAPEST AT THE TIME, THE DECISION TO CONTINUE THE SELECTION OF A DIFFERENT WINDOW TYPE PROVIDES A CONVENIENT METHOD TO DISTINGUISH THIS PHASE IN THE EVOLUTION OF THE FENNER HOUSE.

FROM THE OLDER PHASES, THE TWO BY TWO WINDOW PROPOSED FOR THIS PHASE OF THE WORK WAS CHOSEN TO ALLUDE TO THE LATE 19TH OR EARLY 20TH CENTURY, TWO BY TWO WINDOWS THAT WERE USED TO REPLACE THE ORIGINAL 18TH CENTURY.

NINE OVER SIX AND SIX OVER SIX WINDOWS OF THE FENNER HOUSE.

THESE WERE REMOVED WHEN THE EXTERIOR OF THE 18TH CENTURY PORTION OF THE FEDERAL HOUSE WAS RESTORED.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOT AT THE MOMENT.

UM, I WILL ADD THAT THE APPLICANT DID, UH, PROVIDE, AS REQUESTED A DETAIL OF THE, UH, RAILING, UH, THAT WE REQUESTED AT THE DESIGN REVIEW MEETING.

HOWEVER, IT'S, UM, NOT ENTIRELY LEGIBLE.

SO, UM, I DID GET TO VIEW IT ON HIS PHONE TO CLARIFY THAT.

UM, OBVIOUS, UH, THE, UM, UH, CONFIGURATION OF THE, UM, BALLER PIECES ARE CORRECT IN THAT THEY'RE CENTERED UNDER THE, UH, HANDRAIL AND THE BOTTOM RAIL.

UM, THE SPACING, THEY ARE SQUARE BALLISTERS AND, UH, THEY ARE, UM, PROPOSED TO BE FIVE INCHES ON CENTER.

UH, BUT WITH THAT SIZE, THEY WOULD NEED TO BE CLOSER TO FOUR INCHES ON CENTER TO CONFORM TO OUR SPACING.

THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY THING.

UM, THEY WILL BE PROVIDING ME WITH A BETTER, UH, IMAGE, UH, AFTER THIS MEETING.

ARE THERE ANY PROPONENTS OR OPPONENTS OF THE PROJECT WHO, UH, WANT TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE.

UH, I THINK WE'RE READY FOR THE STAFF FINDINGS.

SO THE STAFF FINDINGS AND EVALUATION, UH, ARE FOR, UH, PROJECT FOR BILL CHOA AND YOUR ELIZABETH ANN.

E AND YOUR, IS THAT YOUR DAUGHTER? THAT'S MY STEP GRANDDAUGHTER.

STEP GRANDDAUGHTER.

FENNER OLIVER HOUSE STANDS HIGH ABOVE HANCOCK STREET ON A FULL BASEMENT.

AND THE PROJECT ADDRESS IS TWO 17 HANCOCK STREET.

UH, THE HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME IS THE FENNER OLIVER HOUSE, UH, CIRCA 1770 TO 1780, UH, REMODELED CIRCA 1890.

AND THIS IS OF COURSE, THEN A CONTRIBUTING, UH, STRUCTURE.

THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY DESCRIPTION FROM 2003 DESCRIBES AS TWO STORIES, FOUR BAYS WIDE, EXTERIOR AND CHIMNEY, GABLE AND ROOF.

TWO STORY TRANSVERSE GABLE REAR WING, THE SAND BACK DESCRIPTION FROM 1988.

THE MOST RELEVANT INFORMATION IS THE

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ITS EXTERIOR RETAINS.

ITS FOUR BAY GABLE FORMED GABLE ROOFED FORM, ALONG WITH EARLY WIDE BEADED WEATHER BOARDING AND SOME GEORGIAN TWO-PART DOOR AND WINDOW SURROUNDS DURING AN EXTENSIVE 1890S REMODELING.

ITS ORIGINAL, MASSIVE CENTRAL CHIMNEY WAS REMOVED AND PLACED BY AN REPLACED BY AN CHIMNEYS, ONE OF WHICH SURVIVES.

ALSO, AT THAT TIME, THE EAVES OF THE ROOF WERE ALTERED AND MOST OF THE ORIGINAL NINE OVER SIX AND SIX OVER SIX SASH WERE REMOVED.

AND THE SANBORN INSURANCE MAPS SHOW EVIDENCE THAT THE HOUSE HAD A TWO STORY PORCH ACROSS ITS REAR ELEVATION, WHICH WAS REMOVED AND REPLACED BY THE PRESENT TWO STORY REAR L.

SO THE PROJECT PROPOSED FOR TWO 17 HANCOCK STREET IS TO INCLUDE ADDING A NEW REAR ADDITION, CHANGE THE BASEMENT ACCESS COVER IN SIX WINDOWS, PLUS SEVERAL OTHER MINOR WORK ITEMS IN THE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY ABCS.

SO STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN STANDARDS, UH, GUIDELINES THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR UTILITIES 2.3, 0.1, TWO, AND SIX FOR DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, 0.1, TWO, AND FOUR FOR MODIFICATIONS 3, 1, 2, AND THREE FOR ADDITIONS.

3.31, TWO, AND THREE FOR FOUNDATIONS, 4.1, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR FOR WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION, 4.2 0.1 AND FOUR FOR WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS.

4.31, TWO, AND THREE FOR ENTRANCES, 4.44 FOR ROOFS, 4.51 AND FOUR FOR MASONRY.

5.1, 0.1, 2, 3, 4, AND FIVE FOR WOOD, 5.1 AND TWO.

AND FOR PAINT, 5.4 1, 2, 3, AND FOUR.

THE STATEMENTS OF FACT, BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION ARE THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

THE PROJECT IS IN ADDITION AND ALTERATIONS TO A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY ABCS.

THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.

AND FIVE, THE APPLICATION IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES AND THE HBC MAY WANT TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.

REVISED PLANS, ACCORDING TO THE CHANGES AGREED UPON AT THE HEARING SHALL BE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT TO THE HPC STAFF FOR APPROVAL ACCORDING TO THE GUIDELINES AND PRIOR TO THE FINAL INSPECTION BY THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DIVISION.

THAT'S THE END OF OUR STAFF REPORT.

AND WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE, THE, UH, THE RAILING, THE RAILING DETAIL.

CORRECT.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS THAT YOU HAVE, SIR? UH, NO.

AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR OKAY.

DISCUSSION.

UH, ONE, ONE QUESTION FOR, FOR BILL, JUST TO GET IT IN THE PUBLIC RECORD.

CAN, CAN I SOMETHING IN THE BACK OF MY MIND PROCEDURALLY, RICHARD, DID YOU RECEIVE NOTICE ABOUT THIS? I DID.

SO HE LIVES WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET.

COMMISSIONER PARSONS.

THAT'S TRUE.

I DO LIVE WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET HALF.

SO IS THAT, SHOULD I DISQUALIFY FOR PARTICIPATION? UH, DOES THAT DISQUALIFY? NOT IN AND OF ITSELF.

MR. PARSONS, DO YOU HAVE ANY, UH, FINANCIAL INTEREST IN THIS PROJECT, OR WOULD THIS PROJECT AFFECT ANY FINANCIAL INTEREST OF YOURS? UH, NO MA'AM.

DO YOU HAVE ANY, HAVE YOU HAD ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT? I HAVE NOT.

ARE YOU ABLE TO HEAR THE EVIDENCE TONIGHT AND MAKE A DECISION BASED SOLELY ON THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED? I CAN'T.

I JUST, NOTHING PERSONAL.

NO.

WE WANT TO HAVE GOOD POINT.

THIS CAME UP AT THE, UH, DESIGN REVIEW, AND I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO GET IT IN THE PUBLIC RECORD.

THERE IS AN ANCIENT, UH, EASTERN RED CEDAR IN THE BACKYARD THAT IS PROBABLY AS OLD AS THE HOUSE, IF NOT AS OLD AS NEWBURN.

UH, AND YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO MAKE SURE THAT TREE IS NOT DAMAGED.

THE ROOF SYSTEM IS NOT DAMAGED AS PART OF THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION THAT YOU'RE DOING HERE.

CORRECT.

THERE IS NO INTENTION.

AND IF IT WAS TOUCHED, UH, THE HEAVENS WOULD COME DOWN UPON ME.

WELL, NEITHER MR. THOMPSON OR I ARE UNDER OATH, BUT MY OPINION IS THAT IT'S NOT AN EASTERN RED CEDAR, IT'S A DAY OF HONOR .

AND THEN IT IS PROBABLY LESS THAN A HUNDRED YEARS OLD, BUT THERE WE GO.

WE GOT THAT CLARIFIED.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? NO, I THINK, I MEAN THIS, AS YOU SAY, IT GOES BACK A LONG TIME.

THAT IT? OKAY.

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I SAW THIS YEARS AGO, AND, UH, AT THE TIME, I WILL MAKE THE POINT.

AT THE TIME, WE DID IT AS A TRUE RESTORATION, WHICH HAD A DIFFERENT SET OF STANDARDS WHERE NOW YOU'RE TURNING IT INTO A REHABILITATION.

AND I, ONE THING I NOTICED I DIDN'T SEE ANYWHERE SPECIFICALLY IN YOUR DRAWINGS THAT IT SAID WOOD WINDOWS WOULD, WELL, I, I DEFER TO MY ARCHITECT, BUT WOOD WOULD BE USED, AND I THINK HE HAS USED THE TERM ADAPTIVE RESTORATION.

AND FOR THOSE WHO, UH, ARE FAIRLY NEW TO THE BOARD OR COMMISSION, MEANING THE LAST 10 YEARS, UH, WE WERE HERE 10 YEARS AGO TO TAKE DOWN THE REAR.

RIGHT.

UH, AFTER LINDA PASSED AWAY, VERY CANDIDLY, IN TALKING TO HER FAMILY, UH, WE DECIDED TO RETAIN THE REAR.

AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.

NO, I MIGHT ADMIRE WHAT YOU'RE DOING, BUT JUST, JUST NOTICED IT WASN'T SPECIFIED IN WHAT WE SEE.

SO THEY ARE WOOD WINDOWS.

THAT WAS, THEY, THEY, YEAH.

I, YEAH, TO MY KNOWLEDGE THEY WOULD BE, AND I'LL, I'LL GO WITH PAUL AND WHAT IS I, I'M, I'M CERTAIN THEY ARE, UH, YEAH.

BUT MR. BILL, I, I COMMEND YOU FOR SEEING THIS PROJECT THROUGH, UH, IT IS BEEN A LONG JOURNEY.

I KNOW YOU'RE EXCITED TO BRING IT TO FURTHER COMPLETION.

UH, THE RESTORATION WORK DONE ON THE FRONT, UH, TURNED OUT REALLY WELL.

AND, UH, UH, IT, IT APPEARS FROM THE COMBINATION OF RETAINING HISTORIC FABRIC IN THE, UH, THE, THE SMALL DELICATE ADDITION IN THE BACK THAT, UH, YOU COULD HAVE IT AN ADAPTIVELY REUSED BUILDING, UH, THAT'LL SERVE A PURPOSE.

AND, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ALL ABOUT.

, I PARTICULARLY LIKE THE IDEA THAT WAS STATED, AND I THINK IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT MORE OFTEN, THAT, UM, THERE'S MORE DISTINCTION MADE BETWEEN ADDITIONS AND NEW MATERIALS USED, UH, IN CON IN CONTRAST TO THE OLD EXISTING THINGS LIKE THE DOUBLE, THE DOUBLE, THE TWO OVER TWO, INSTEAD OF USING THE SAME WINDOWS THAT ARE ALREADY ON THE BUILDING.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT MORE.

WELL, I, I WOULD EXPECT, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, FOR THOSE, UH, MOST OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH PAUL STEVENS, UH, WHEN WE STARTED, HE WAS, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO MR. Y, THE PREMIER HISTORIC ARCHITECT IN TOWN.

AND, UH, HE HASN'T LOST HIS TOUCH.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? HEARING NONE ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION.

THE APPLICATION IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.

MR. CHAIRMAN, GO AHEAD.

OH, LET ME GO AHEAD, PLEASE.

, I MOVE THAT WE FIND THE APPLICATION FOR TWO 17 HANCOCK STREET, UH, TO BE NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH NEW BURNS.

CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTIONS 15 4 11 TO 15 429 AND NEW BERN'S HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE, UH, FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACTS, UH, UTILITIES 2.3, 0.1, TWO AND SIX, UH, DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, 0.2 AND FOUR.

MODIFICATIONS, 3.23 ADDITIONS, 3.3 0.1, TWO AND THREE FOUNDATIONS, 4.1, 0.1, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR, UH, WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION, 4.1 AND 4.2 0.4, WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS, 4.3 0.12 AND THREE ENTRANCES, 4.4 0.4.

ROOFS, 4.5 0.1, AND 4.5 0.4.

MASONRY, 5.234 AND FIVE WOOD, FIVE POINT POINT, AND 5.2, PAINT 5, 4, 2, 3, AND FOUR.

AND, UH, THE, UH, FINDINGS OF FACT, UH, THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

UH, THE, UH, ADDITION IS IN A, A TERTIARY AREA OF VISUAL CONCERN.

UH, THE PROPOSED DESIGN AND, UH, APPLICATION COMPONENTS, MATERIALS ALL MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES.

UH, ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL, UH, HAVE REVIEWED THE PROJECT, COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.

AND LASTLY, AGAIN,

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AND THE LAST PART, YOU, YOU HAVEN'T REALLY ADDED ANY CHANGES.

SO, WELL, THE, THE, UH, THE ONLY CONDITION BEING THAT THE UNCLEAR, UH, DETAIL THAT WAS FORWARDED BE RESENT AND INCLUDED IN THE RECORD COULD SENTENCE STAFF.

IS THERE A SECOND FOR THAT? MOTION? SECOND MOVE.

AND SECONDED.

WE APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH THAT ONE CONDITION.

ALL FAVOR, STATE AYE.

IT'S APPROVED MOTION TO, UH, ISSUE A COA.

WE ISSUE THE COA ALL FAVOR STATE.

OPPOSED? COA, UH, CAN BE ISSUED.

THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.

HONOR, THANK YOU.

THE SECOND FLOOR, UM, AND ENTERING IN AN APPARENTLY EXISTING DOORWAY.

[4.E. 207 POLLOCK ST. – to include removing the wooden, 2-story, exterior stairway a new addition, and closing up one window in the Secondary AVC.]

2 0 7 POCK STREET.

OKAY, SO HERE WE HAVE THE APPLICATION FOR 2 0 7 P*****K STREET, UH, FOR MIKE AND ALANA.

ELENA HUBER, UH, AND GO ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN.

AND WE HAVE THE, UH, THE APPLICATIONS FULLY COMPLETED HERE AND SIGNED BY THEIR AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE, WHO IS HEREBY WITH THIS FORM, AUTHORIZED AND NOTARIZED.

SHE'S BEEN NOTARIZED .

THE SIGNATURE HAS BEEN NOTARIZED.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, AND SO THIS IS THE STRUCTURE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ON P*****K STREET.

SO AGAIN, THAT SAME PHOTO ON THE UPPER LEFT.

WELL, NOT QUITE, NO.

SO NOW THIS ONE IS A SLIGHTLY MORE OBLIQUE ANGLE, UH, WITH, UH, THE DRIVEWAY.

AND, UH, THE SIDE OF THE, THE STRUCTURE IS, UH, THE SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE THAT WILL BE, UM, ALTERED, UH, PARTICULARLY HERE WITH THIS UPPER CENTER, UH, PHOTOGRAPH.

THE STAIRWAY HERE WILL BE REMOVED.

THIS, UH, LITTLE SHED, UH, ACTUALLY ACCESS WAY WILL BE REMOVED.

AND ALL OF THIS WILL BE CHANGED ALONG THIS IN THIS CORNER AREA.

THIS INSIDE CORNER AREA.

AND WE CAN SEE THIS ALSO HERE ON THE RIGHT UPPER RIGHT.

UM, SOME OF THE VARIOUS FEATURES, UH, INCLUDING, UH, SOME FEATURES ON THE REAR CORNER.

UH, AND THEN AGAIN, ANOTHER SHOT OF IT A LITTLE FARTHER BACK.

UH, GET SOME OTHER ELEMENTS IN CONTEXT.

AND THEN ALSO ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, WE HAVE PUT A, A WINDOW HERE THAT WILL BE CLOSED IN CLOSED, BUT, UH, THIS GIVES THEN THE OVERALL FORM FOR THE OVER, FOR THE HOUSE, UM, FROM THE OPPOSITE CORNER.

ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS, UM, THEN SITE PLAN FOR THE PROJECT SHOWING.

WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT THIS AREA HERE IN THIS INSIDE CORNER OF THE SIDE, REAR SIDE OF REAR CORNER SIDE OF THE HOUSE.

UH, AND SO HERE WE HAVE THE, UH, EXISTING PLAN SHOWING THE DEMOLITION TO BE DONE.

UH, AT THE FIRST LEVEL.

UH, HERE'S THE STAIRWAY TO BE REMOVED.

UH, AND THEN THERE IS ALSO A GOOD PORTION OF THIS, UH, SIDE WALL TO BE REMOVED AS WELL, AND SOME INTERIOR WORK.

UM, ALSO THE REAR WINDOW IS TO BE REMOVED.

AND THEN FINALLY THAT, UH, OTHER WINDOW DOWN ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.

WHILE THEY'RE DOING WORK, THEY MIGHT AS WELL DO THAT, RIGHT? SO, UM, THEN THE SECOND FLOOR, THIS SHOWS THE REMOVAL OF THE REST OF THE STAIRWAY AND PIECE OF THE WALL AND A DOOR.

UM, BUT THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT ON THIS SECOND FLOOR.

SO THE NEW FLOOR PLAN WILL ENLARGE, WILL ESSENTIALLY ENCLOSE THAT, UH, AREA WHERE THE STAIRWAY HAD BEEN, UM, TO BE AN INTERIOR STAIRWAY.

UH, AND THE NEW, UH, ENTRANCE INTO THE HOUSE WILL BE FROM THE REAR OF THE HOUSE UP A NEW SET OF STAIRS TO A NEW DOOR.

UH, ALL, ALL THE, UH, WALLS SHOWN HERE IN BLACK ARE NEW WALLS.

UH, AND SO THE EXISTING WALL IS THIS DASH LINE BACK HERE.

UH, AND THEN IT ALSO SHOWS THE, UH, UH, OTHER WINDOW ON THIS DOWN IN THIS CORNER TO BE CLOSED IN.

UH, LET'S SEE WHAT'S NEXT.

SECOND FLOOR PLAN, UH, CONTINUING THE, UH, STAIR TOWER UP TO

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UH, BUT ON THE INSIDE, UH, AND SO WE HAVE SOME TWO NEW WINDOWS UP ON THIS LEVEL FOR THAT ADDITION.

AND THIS SHOWS THE, UH, VARIOUS ROOFS BELOW AND STEPS.

SO, UH, WE HAVE, UM, UH, TWO METAL, UH, SLOPING ROOFS, UH, THAT ARE SHOWN FROM ABOVE HERE.

WE'LL SEE THOSE IN ELEVATION.

AND, OKAY, SO, UH, THE EXISTING ELEVATION SHOWING THE REMOVAL OF THE STAIRWAY AND THE VARIOUS DOORS IN, IN THIS CASE, JUST THE DOORS AND THE ACCESS TO THE BASEMENT OR THE CRAWL SPACE, UM, TO BE REMOVED.

AND THEN ON THE REAR, ALSO THE STAIRWAY AGAIN.

UH, AND THE WINDOW, THE TWO WINDOWS THAT'LL BE, UH, CLOSED IN, UH, THAT ARE FACING THE BACK.

SO NOW WE HAVE THE NEW, HERE WE GO.

SO, UM, WHERE THE STAIRWAY USED TO BE, WE HAVE THIS, UH, SOLID CONSTRUCTION, ENCLOSED CONSTRUCTION.

UH, THIS DOOR AT THE BOTTOM IS, UH, TWO STORAGE UNDERNEATH THE, UH, STAIRWAY, THE INTERIOR STAIRWAY.

UM, THEY HAVE, UH, CONTINUED THE FOUNDATION, UM, PATTERN ALONG THE BOTTOM WITH BRICK, AND THEY HAVE SOME NEW SIDING, UM, UH, NEW WOOD SIDING FOR THE SIDE HERE TO MATCH THE EXISTING.

UH, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A NEW WINDOW THEN HERE.

AND THE MIDDLE ROOF AT THE TOP, WE HAVE THE SIDE VIEW OF THE NEW STAIRWAY, WHICH ALSO HAS ITS OWN LITTLE ROOF, UH, FOR THE LANDING.

AND, UH, THAT'S ALL OUT OF WOOD.

AND, UH, THEN THERE IS ANOTHER PIECE OF ADDITION THAT IS SKINNIER.

WE'LL SEE THAT ON THIS OTHER ELEVATION IN A MINUTE.

AND IT ALSO HAS THE SAME, UM, THE WOOD, UH, SIDING AND THE METAL ROOFING.

UH, A NEW DOUBLE WINDOW, THE SAME FOUNDATION.

SO ON THIS OTHER ELEVATION, YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT PARTICULAR ADDITION IS A RATHER NARROW PIECE OF ADDITION.

UH, AND SO THE ROOFING IS ALSO ON TOP OF THAT.

AND THEN WE HAVE THE, UH, LITTLE STOOP, UH, OR LANDING ROOF.

UH, ALSO YOU CAN SEE HERE THE, UH, AND THE END OF THE LARGER STAIR TOWER ADDITION, UM, IS ON THE SIDE SHOWN HERE WITH ITS, UH, SLOPING ROOF AS WELL.

UM, THE WINDOW TO BE CLOSED IS, UM, WAS ON THIS ELEVATION, IS NOW TO BE CLOSED WITH SIDING TO MATCH THE EXISTING SIDING, CORRECT.

UM, AND THEN THE OTHER WINDOW IS THE ONE SHOWN HERE, UM, ALSO TO MATCH THE EXISTING SIDING.

UH, THIS IS THESE, UH, HANDRAIL, UH, DETAIL OR THE RAILING DETAIL AND ALSO INDICATES A THREE INCH SPACING BETWEEN THE BALLISTERS.

SO THAT SHOULD DO US FOR THE DRAWINGS.

AND SO NOW WE HAVE THE ZONING AND INSPECTIONS FORM FOR 2 0 7 P*****K STREET.

UH, AND IT SHOWS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE TWO PARKING SPACES NEED TO BE RETAINED, WHICH I DON'T THINK IS AN ISSUE HERE.

AND IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE.

PLEASE SUBMIT A ZONING PERMIT APPLICATION.

AND THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR INDICATES THAT IT WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.

SO WE'RE THEN READY WITH OUR FINDINGS AND EVALUATION.

I, ANY OPPONENTS OR PROPONENTS WISH TO SPEAK? NO.

UH, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO SAY? I, I WOULD SEE MY MISTAKES WHEN I'M SITTING OUT HERE, BUT I REALIZE THAT I LEFT A CHIMNEY OFF AND IT IS NOT OUR INTENTION TO TAKE THAT CHIMNEY DOWN, , SO I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR.

THANK YOU, RICHARD.

READY FOR YOUR FINDINGS? OKAY.

AND, UH, IT'S NATIONAL REGISTER.

SO, UH, FINDINGS AND EVALUATION FOR THE PROJECT FOR MIKE AND ELENA HUBER AND GO.

ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN FOR 2 0 7 P*****K STREET, UH, WHICH IS THE JAMES M. HOWARD HOUSE, UH, BUILT CIRCA 1890.

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INVENTORY DESCRIPTION IN 2003 IS TWO STORIES.

IT'S AN L PLAN, FIVE BAYS WIDE OCTAGONAL TOWER WITH PYRAMIDAL ROOF, WRAPAROUND PORCH, BRACKETED CORNICES, GD ROOFS CONTAIN PATTERN SHINGLES AND INTERIOR CHIMNEYS.

UH, FOR THE SAND BECK DESCRIPTION FROM 1988, UH, THE MOST RELEVANT INFORMATION IS THE EXTERIOR DETAILING OF THE HOWARD HOUSE'S, TYPICAL OF NEW BURN'S, SIMPLIFIED INTERPRETATIONS OF THE QUEEN AND STYLE WITH ITS PLAIN WEATHER, BOARDED ELEVATIONS, BRACKETED, CORNICE, AND LIVELY GABLES.

DECORATED WITH PRESS 10 SAWTOOTH BANDS AND PATTERN BOARDS.

SO FOR THE PROJECT FOR TWO THOU 2000 2 0 7 P*****K STREET IS TO INCLUDE REMOVING THE WOODEN TWO STORY EXTERIOR STAIRWAY, A NEW ADDITION, AND CLOSING UP ONE WINDOW IN THE SECONDARY.

A DC STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING.

HISTORIC DISTRICT GOT DISTRICT DESIGN STANDARDS THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR UTILITIES 2.3 0.6 FOR DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, TWO AND FOUR FOR MODIFICATIONS.

3.2, 0.1, TWO, AND THREE FOR ADDITIONS.

3.3 0.1, TWO, AND THREE FOR FOUNDATIONS, 4.1 0.1, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR FOR WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION, 4.1 AND FOUR FOR WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS.

4.31, TWO AND THREE ENTRANCES, 4.44 FOR ROOFS, 4.5 0.1, AND FOUR FOR MISS AND REEF, 5.1 0.1, 2, 3, 4, AND FIVE FOR WOOD.

5.2 0.1, AND TWO FOR PAINT.

5, 4, 2, 3, AND FOUR.

THE STATEMENTS OF FACT, BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION ARE ONE, THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING SOURCE IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

THE PROJECT IS AN ADDITION AND ALTERATIONS TO A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY ABCS.

AND FIVE, THE APPLICATION IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.

SO THE HPC MAY WANT TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT REVISED PLANS ACCORDING TO THE CHANGES AGREED UPON AT THE HEARING SHOULD BE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, THE HPC STAFF FOR APPROVAL ACCORDING TO THE GUIDELINES AND PRIOR TO THE FINAL INSPECTION BY THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DIVISION.

ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD? NO.

COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS? COMMENTS.

IT, IT SAYS METAL ROOF, BUT YOU MEAN STANDING SEA, BUT METAL ROOF ON, ON THE DRAWING, IT JUST SAYS METAL ROOF.

NOW WE GET ANOTHER, UH, ADDITION IN A TERTIARY AREA THAT, UH, IS SOMEWHAT DELICATE, ACHIEVES THE PURPOSE.

SO, UH, GREAT, THANK YOU.

YEAH, IT'S NICE TO REPLACE A TEMPORARY STRUCTURE WITH SOMETHING PERMANENT THAT'S COMPATIBLE.

YEAH, EXACTLY.

HEARING NO MORE QUESTIONS, ENTERTAIN.

MOTION TO APPROVE.

IS THAT APPROVED? I'LL SECOND.

OH, WAIT A MINUTE.

YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY MAKE THE MOTION.

YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE MOTION.

OKAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE.

WE FIND THE APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR 2 0 7 P*****K STREET TO BE NOT IN CO, IN CONGRESS WITH NEW BERN'S.

CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTIONS 15 4 11 TO 15 429 IN NEW BERN'S HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT, UTILITIES 2.36, DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, TWO AND FOUR, MODIFICATIONS, 3.1, TWO AND THREE ADDITIONS, 3.3 0.1, TWO AND THREE FOUNDATIONS, 4.1, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION, FOUR POINT AND FOUR WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS, 4.32 AND THREE ENTRANCES, 4.44.

ROOFS, 4.5 AND FOUR.

MASONRY, 5.1, 2, 3, 4, AND FIVE.

WOOD, FIVE POINT AND TWO, PAINT, 5.4 0.1, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR.

AND FINDINGS.

IN FACT, THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE TIGHT WAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

THE PROJECT IS AN ADDITION AND ALTERATION TO A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE SECONDARY

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AND TERTIARY ABCS.

THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES OR STANDARDS.

THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF CHIEF BUILDING SPEC OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.

AND THE ZONING PERMIT MUST BE APPLIED FOR, AND THE APPLICATION IS NOT IN CONGRESS WITH THE GUIDELINES.

AND SECOND, DID WE APPROVE THE APPLICATION? ALL IN FAVOR, STATE AYE.

OPPOSED? HEARING NONE IS APPROVED.

UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ISSUE A COA.

WE ISSUE THE COA ALL IN FAVOR STATE.

[4.F. 217 MIDDLE ST. – to include a storefront remodel in the Primary AVC.]

TWO 17.

MIDDLE.

I, I JUST, I, I RECEIVED A LETTER, BUT I DON'T OWN THE PROPERTY THAT'S NEAR IT ANYMORE AND I PASSED IT ON TO THE PEOPLE WHO OWN IT.

ANY OTHER CONFLICTS? NO.

THEN WOOD ON, AS YOU GO INTO THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL DOORWAY AREA ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, THE, UH, SIDE WILL NOT BE GLASS, BUT WILL BE A WOOD PANEL ON THE LEFT.

SO THIS IS THE APPLICATION FOR TWO 17 MIDDLE STREET FOR MICHAEL LEE AND JOHN WATSON.

UH, AND THEY HAVE FILLED OUT THE APPLICATION COMPLETELY AND THEN ALSO SIGNED AND DATED THE APPLICATION.

SO, UM, AS WE SAW IN THE DESIGN REVIEW MEETING, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR STOREFRONT IN DOWNTOWN.

UH, AND WE, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO REMODEL JUST THE PORTION THAT'S BASICALLY HERE IN BLACK, EVERY, UH, EVERYTHING BELOW THE YELLOW, UM, AREA.

AND IN BETWEEN THE TWO YELLOW PI, UM, PILE, LEERS OR COLUMNS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.

AND THIS IS A BLACK AND WHITE PHOTOGRAPH THAT SHOWS A LITTLE BIT BETTER THE, UH, THE DETAILS OF THE FACADE AND MAYBE SOME OF THE DETAILS OF THE STOREFRONT.

AND THEN THIS IS A STRAIGHT ON SHOT, SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HOW IT LOOKS, UH, HOW IT, HOW IT LOOKS NOW AND THE EXISTING, UH, ENTRY DOORWAY AND SURROUNDING LIGHT, UH, WINDOWS.

UH, AND NOW FROM A MORE OBLIQUE ANGLE AND CLOSER.

AND THEN WE ARE AGAIN.

AND NOW YOU CAN SEE EVEN THE FLOOR PATTERN, INCLUDING THE, UH, THE NAMED VIRGINIA DARE ON THE FLOOR OFF TO THE, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THAT ENTRYWAY, THOUGH THERE IS ALSO A DOORWAY, UH, ON THIS SIDE, WHICH IS A DOORWAY TO THE UPPER STORY RESIDENCE.

AND THIS IS WHY THE RE ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THE REMODEL IS HAPPENING.

THIS, A SKETCH OF THAT SHOWING THE ENTRANCE TO THE STORE, UH, AT THE TOP AND THEN THE RESIDENTIAL DOOR ON THE RIGHT.

SO WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO IS THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEPARATE THE TWO, UH, DOORS.

UH, AND SO HAVE THE STOREFRONT DOOR ON THE LEFT AND THE RESIDENTIAL DOOR ON THE RIGHT WITH THE, UH, STOREFRONT, UH, WINDOW IN THE MIDDLE.

AND OH, ALSO THIS SHOWS THEN THE, UM, ADDITION OF AN EYEBROW ACROSS THE TOP.

WELL, WHAT THE APPLICANT'S CALLING AN EYEBROW.

YOU'LL SEE IN A SECOND WHAT THAT MEANS.

UM, AND THIS ALSO SHOWS THAT THE, UH, CEILING FOR THIS AREA, IT DOES, UH, EXTEND UP BEHIND THE YELLOW, UM, BRICK PATTERN AREA THAT IS, UH, THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING.

UH, THIS ALSO SHOWS, UH, SOME OF THE VARIOUS MATERIALS.

UM, SO LET'S START FROM THE LEFT.

THE EXISTING COLUMN OR PILOTS ARE ON THE LEFT, THEN THE SURFACE ON THE LEFT GOING INTO THE DOORWAY IS TO BE BRICK OR PLASTER.

UH, AND THE, UH, THEY WILL BE REUSING THE STOREFRONT DOOR AND ADDING A NEW TRANSOM WITH GLASS OVER THE TOP.

AND THEN THE STOREFRONT, I MEAN THE STORE, YES, THE STORE WIN SHOW WINDOW, I GUESS IS THE FRONT ONE IN THE FRONT, BUT THEY'LL ALSO HAVE A SHOW WINDOW ON THE SIDE AS YOU ENTER INTO THE STORE.

AND THE BOTTOM WILL BE WOOD WOOD PANEL, UH, SIMILAR TO WHAT, UM, THEY HAVE NOW, BUT A LITTLE BIT TALLER MAYBE, I'M NOT SURE.

UH, AND

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UH, THE WILL BE, THEY WILL BE REUSING THE UPPER FLOOR DOOR AND ADDING A TRANS ABOVE THAT.

AND THEN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE WILL BE PLASTER.

UH, AND UH, THEN ALL THE WAY ON THE RIGHT, THE EXISTING COLUMN WILL REMAIN, UH, THE FLOOR AREA FOR THE ENTRANCE WILL BE TERRACOTTA TILE ON BOTH CASES.

ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL SEE HERE.

SO THIS IS, IT GETS A BETTER IDEA OF SAY THE EYEBROW WILL BE A PROJECTING OUT FROM THE, UH, FACADE.

AND YOU GET, UH, SOME IDEA OF THE, UM, SIDES THAT WERE A LITTLE HARDER TO SEE IN THE OTHER VIEW, UM, SUCH AS THIS, UH, THE GLASS SIDE WINDOW.

AND THEN ALSO ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THE NEXT TO THE RESIDENTIAL DOOR, THE PLASTER WILL PROBABLY HAVE SOME WOOD STRIPS IN IT BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING CONSTRUCTION THAT HAS, UH, BEEN ATTACHED TO THE PLASTER THAT'S CURRENTLY INTERIOR.

THEN THIS IS, UH, BOTH A PLAN VIEW AND A SIDE ELEVATION.

SO LET'S START WITH A SIDE ELEVATION SHOWS THE EYEBROW OUT FROM THE ACTUAL FACADE.

UM, AND THEN THE, UH, PLAN VIEW, UH, SHOWS THOSE TWO ENTRYWAYS AND DIMENSIONS, UH, AND SOME OF THE MATERIALS, UH, FOR THE RESIDENTIAL AT THE TOP AND THE STORE AT THE BOTTOM WHERE IT WILL BE ANGLED IN, UH, ON FOR THE STORE ENTRYWAY.

THEN, UH, A SECTION OF THE EYEBROW, UH, PIECE SHOWING THE EXISTING, UH, BRICK BEAM, UH, OR BRICK RECOVERED BEAM AT FOR THE STOREFRONT OPENING.

AND THE EYEBROW WILL BE ATTACHED TO THE UNDERSIDE OF THAT AND PROJECT OUT, UH, 12 INCHES FROM THAT FACADE.

THE, THE PY LESTER OR COLUMNS ON THE SIDES, UH, ALREADY PROJECT SIX INCHES OUT FROM THERE.

SO THE EYEBROW WILL BE ABOUT SIX INCHES OUT FROM THE COLUMNS OR, UM, PY LESTER FROM, UH, WHEN IT MEETS THOSE ON THE TWO ENDS.

AND OH, AND, UH, THE EYEBROWS TO BE COVERED WITH COPPER, UH, AROUND THE ENTIRETY OF THE, UH, OF THE EYEBROW.

AND THEN THEY PROVIDED AN EXAMPLE OF ANOTHER STORE THAT THEY ARE, ARE LOOKING TO EMULATE THE PANELING KIND OF SYSTEM, UH, OR APPEARANCE ON THE BOTTOM OF THE STOREFRONT.

UH, AND THEN WE HAVE OUR, UM, ZONING AND INSPECTIONS FORM.

AND HERE THE UM, ZONING ADMINISTRATOR HAS INDICATED THAT IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE TO PLEASE SUBMIT A ZONING PERMIT APPLICATION.

AND THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR SAID THAT IT WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.

SO THEN WE'RE READY WITH OUR FINDINGS AND EVALUATION.

YOU GUYS WANT ADD ANYTHING? UM, THE, UM, WAIT, WAIT TO GET TO THE MICROPHONE.

THE COME ON UP TO THE MICROPHONE.

SO THE, UM, RESIDENTIAL DOOR, UM, WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO LEAVE IT PLASTER ONCE WE GET INTO IT.

IT MAY NOT BE PLASTER, WE MAY HAVE TO GO STRAIGHT TO THE W UH, THE BRICK.

SO IF WE, IF THE PLASTER IS WORKS, WE'LL KEEP THE PLASTER.

I THINK THERE'S A PIECE OF SHEET ROCK OVER IT.

SO IF WE CAN REMOVE THE SHEET ROCK AND THE PLASTER LOOKS GOOD, WE'LL KEEP IT.

IF NOT, WE'LL TAKE IT DOWN TO THE BRICK.

AND, UM, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S ABOUT IT.

THAT OKAY? THAT'S IT.

THAT'S IT.

UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHERS TO COMMENT, UM, YOUR FINDINGS.

SURE.

AND THE SUBJECT IS THE MIDDLE PIECE.

SO THESE ARE THE FINDINGS AND EVALUATION FOR, UH, THE PROJECT FOR MICHAEL LEE AND JOHN WATSON AT TWO 17 MIDDLE STREET.

IT IS KNOWN AS THE COPLAN BUILDING, UH, CIRCA 1912.

I ADDED THE PHOTOGRAPH BECAUSE THE COPLAN BUILDING IS ACTUALLY THREE PIECES

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SO YOU SEE THIS GRAY PIECE AND THEN THE PIECE BEHIND THE TREE, THOSE ARE ALL PART OF THE COPLAN BUILDING.

THEY'RE NOW THREE SEPARATE PROPERTIES, UM, AND I THINK THERE'S EVEN PARTY WALLS BETWEEN THEM NOW.

BUT, UH, JUST TO BE CLEAR, UH, THE ENTIRE THING WAS BUILT IN 1912.

ALRIGHT? AND THAT IS NOW A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY DESCRIPTION.

HERE WE TALK ABOUT THE TRIPARTITE COMMERCIAL BUILDING.

IT'S BRICK TWO STORIES, EIGHT BAYS WIDE.

SO ALL, ALL THREE OF 'EM TOGETHER IS EIGHT DIAMOND PATTERN, ORNAMENTAL, BRICK, BRICKWORK AND PANELED AND CORPORAL PARAPETS.

SO THE SANDBAG DESCRIPTION FROM 1988, THE MOST RELEVANT INFORMATION IS FULL HEIGHT PILE.

LESTER DIVIDE THE TWO STORY SIX BAY FACADE INTO THREE UNITS OF EQUAL WIDTH, EACH HAVING ITS OWN STOREFRONT.

ALL ORIGINAL DETAILING AT THE FIRST LEVEL HAS BEEN REMOVED AND A PORTION OF THE UPPER FACADE COVERED WITH METAL AND STUCCO.

THE SOUTHERNMOST STORES STILL DISPLAY LIVELY DIAMOND PATTERN, ORNAMENTAL BRICKWORK ADJACENT TO THE WINDOWS, THE CORNICE AND PARAPET DISPLAY, AL AND PANEL BRICKWORK, TYPICAL OF THE PERIOD.

SO THE PROJECT FOR 2 0 7 P*****K STREET IS TO INCLUDE A STOREFRONT REMODEL IN THE PRIMARY.

A, B, C STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN STANDARDS THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR UTILITIES 2.3 0.6 DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.12 AND FOUR FOR MODIFICATIONS, 3.2 0.1, AND TWO FOR WALL TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION.

4.2 0.1 AND FOUR FOR WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS.

4.3 0.1 FOR ENTRANCES, 4.4 0.3 FOR WOOD, 5.2 0.1, AND FOR PAINT, 5.4, 0.1, TWO AND THREE.

THE STATEMENTS OF FACT, BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION ARE ONE, THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE DENSE FABRIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

TWO, THE PROJECT IS A REMODEL OF THE STOREFRONT OF A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE PRIMARY A VC THREE.

THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN STANDARDS.

AND FOUR, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.

AND FIVE, THE APPLICATION IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES AND YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER HAVING CONDITIONS RELATED TO ANYTHING THAT MAY BE ADDED AT THE MEETING.

YOU WISH TO ADD? YEAH.

ONE OTHER, UH, THING I NOTICED AS, AS YOU STARTED TO READ, MATT, YOU SAID 2 0 7 MIDDLE STREET, SO I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE TYPO.

IT SHOULD BE TWO 17.

THAT'S CORRECT.

OH, AND IT SAYS P*****K STREET.

COMMISSIONERS, COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? UH, THANK YOU FOR THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION SINCE DESIGN REVIEW.

UM, I'M NOT SEEING ANY.

AND SO THE, THE TILE WITH THE TEXT BECOMES INSIDE AFTER YOU DO THE RENOVATION, CORRECT? YES.

SO IT'S STILL RETAINED, BUT YOU KNOW, UM, WELL, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, I FOUND, UM, A WHOLE BUNCH OF TERRACOTTA TILE AT LIKE 75% OFF.

SO WHEN WE RIP OUT ALL IT, WE'RE GONNA DO THE WHOLE THING AND IT MATCHES THE ZO.

SO IT WON'T BE ZO PIECES, BUT IT'S THE SAME MATERIAL.

SO WE'RE PRETTY HAPPY ABOUT THAT.

SO THE WHOLE THING, BUT NOT THE PIECE THAT'S, THAT'S GOT THE, UH, THE DISPLAY WINDOW.

WHICH WE'RE TAKING OUT.

FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR TWO 17 MIDDLE STREET TO BE NOT IN CONGRESS WITH NEW BERN'S.

WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO LAY, UM, CEMENT DOWN, UH, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF DIRT UNDER THAT WINDOW.

AND WE'RE GONNA BLADE THAT TILE IN THERE AS WELL.

WE WERE JUST GONNA DO THE ENTRYWAY, BUT NOW WE'RE GONNA, AND WE WERE JUST GONNA DO, UM, YOU KNOW, CEMENT AND THEN THE WOOD OVER IT JUST TO MATCH WHAT'S INSIDE.

BUT NOW WE'RE GONNA USE THAT, UH, THAT TERRACOTTA TILE.

SO THE VIRGINIA DARE WILL REMAIN.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERN? NO.

WOULD ENTERTAIN THE MOTION, THEN WE APPROVE THE APPLICATION.

YOU WANT TO TAKE A SECOND? NO.

WHO WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT IN THE INTEREST IN THE MEETING? UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE TO FIND THE APP.

UM, APPLICATION

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CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTION 15, 4 11 TO 15,429.

AND NEW BERN'S HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT, UTILITIES 2.3 0.6, DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, 0.1, TWO AND FOUR MODIFICATIONS, 3.1 AND TWO WALLS, TRIM ORIENTATION, 4.1 AND FOUR, WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS.

4.3 POINT ENTRANCES, 4.3.

WOOD, 5.2 0.1, PAINT.

5.4, 0.12 AND THREE.

FINDINGS OF FACT, THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE DENSE FABRIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

PROJECT IS A REMODEL OF THE STOREFRONT OF THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE PRIMARY A VC.

THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN STANDARDS OR GUIDELINES.

THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.

AND YOU DO NEED TO APPLY FOR A ZONING PERMIT.

UH, THE APPLICATION IS NOT IN CONGRESS WITH THE GUIDELINES.

OKAY, IS THERE A SECOND FOR THAT? MOTION? SECOND.

MOVED AND SECONDED.

WE APPROVE THE APPLICATION.

ALL IN FAVOR? STATE.

I NEED A MOTION TO, UH, ISSUE A COA.

WE ISSUE A COA FOR THE PROJECT.

ALL IN FAVOR OF STATE? AYE.

COA IS APPROVED.

YOU'VE SEEN YOUR REPORT AT THE WORK SESSION.

OLD BUSINESS.

I, I KNOW OF NONE.

GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS.

WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY, ANY NEW BUSINESS.

[8. HPC ADMINISTRATOR’S REPORT A. REPORT ON MAJOR COAS ISSUED – 2/08/2024 to 3/07/2024 510 Craven St. – rear addition B. REPORT ON MINOR COAS ISSUED - 2/08/2024 to 3/07/2024 602 Middle St., Johnson St. ROW – tree replacement About 15 pending C. REPORT ON COA EXTENSIONS ISSUED: none D. OTHER ITEMS AND UPDATES BY THE ADMINISTRATOR]

UM, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT, MATT? UM, LET'S SEE.

NO, I WOULD SAY NO.

MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING.

SECOND.

SECOND, AND SECOND.

WE ADJOURN THE MEETING.

ALL IN FAVOR, STATE AYE.