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[ Municipal Service District Meeting on March 19, 2024.]
WELCOME.I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE CITY OF NEW BERKELEY MUNICIPAL SERVICE DISTRICT ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
SOMEBODY CALL THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
UM, OKAY, WELL, LEMME MAKE SURE I HAVE A LIST.
WE'LL MAKE SURE I JUST, SO WE'VE GOT DAVE AL HERE.
MICHAEL RAINS, YOU KNOW JOHN HARSON HERE.
PLEASE ALSO NOTE THAT ALDERMAN RI IS HERE.
UM, I DO NOT SEE ALDERMAN WALKER.
AND, UM, LYNN HAR KELLY IS ALSO PRESENT AND KIM LOOKS AN ABSENT AS WELL.
YOU WERE SENT, UM, SENT TWO SETS OF MINUTES, ONE FROM THE JANUARY 29TH, UH, REGULAR MEETING AND FROM FEBRUARY THE 20TH WORK SESSION.
UM, I WILL NOTE THAT, UM, GRETCHEN, UM, HAS A CORRECTION, SO IF YOU WANT TO NOTE THAT, AND THEN WE CAN ASK FOR BOARD GOOGLE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, CORRECTIONS OR WHATEVER CORRECTIONS.
I NOTICED, UM, IN THE, UH, MINUTES FROM THE JANUARY 29TH MEETING, WE HAVE REVISED THE AGENDA TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION ON, UH, COMMITTEE DUTIES BEFORE THE APPOINTMENT OF THE CHAIR.
AND FOSTER THEN DID GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES.
THE MINUTES DID NOT REFLECT THAT, AND I REQUESTED THAT THAT BE CORRECTED.
SO, AND ALSO, SO THE ADJUSTED MINUTES THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU WERE IN BLUE, THAT HAS BEEN REFLECTED APPROPRIATELY.
SO IT WAS NOT WHAT YOU SAW ON YOUR PACKET.
SO JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU GOT THE PACKET THAT YOU GOT TODAY IN BLUE IS THE ADDITIONS OR THE CORRECTIONS, CORRECT? YES.
SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER CORRECTIONS OR WHATEVER TOOK TWO SETS OF MINUTES? IF NOT, I CAN ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE BOTH OF THEM WITH THE CORRECTIONS.
SO THEY, WE HAVE FROM JOHN HARSON AND SECOND FROM, UH, JOHNNY ROBINSON.
KIM IS NOT HERE AND IT IS, OH, TANYA, I'M SO SORRY.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
TANYA WILL BE HERE TO GIVE US THE FINANCIAL REPORT AGAIN THAT YOU WERE SENT PRIOR TO THE MEETING, BUT YOU DO HAVE A COPY IN YOUR PACKET.
YOU HAVE TWO REPORTS IN FRONT OF, THE FIRST ONE IS BALANCE SHEET AND THE SECOND ONE IS THE CHANGES IN THAT POSITION.
SO IN THE PREPARED BALANCE SHEET, THE ONLY, THE MAIN DIFFERENCE FROM, FROM JANUARY 31ST, SO END OF FEBRUARY, IS THE COLLECTION OF, UM, CASH ON TAXES.
SO WE RECEIVED TAXES, SO THAT INCREASED, UH, $55,907, WHICH REDUCED OUR TAXES RECEIVABLE, UM, BY, UH, 46,400.
SO MAIN CHANGE AGAIN WAS TAXES RECEIVED FOR OUR SIDE.
UM, SO THEN UNDER THE CHANGES IN THAT POSITION, AGAIN, THERE WERE ONLY A FEW TRANSACTIONS THAT RECEIVED FOR THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY, UM, TOTAL AND WITH INTEREST TOTAL ABOUT 47,005 50, THE, UH, SALES TAX WE RECEIVED WAS 13.
INTEREST INCOME FOR THE MONTH WAS 7 67.
WE RECEIVED PARKING RENTAL INCOME FROM MODEL THREE, PARKING HERE OF 5 23.
SO THE TOTAL REVENUE CHANGE FOR THE MONTH WAS JUST OVER 68,000.
THE EXPENSES THAT WE HAD FOR THE MONTH WAS $80 FOR SIGNS, AND THEN WE DID THE TRANSFER TO THE GENERAL FIRM AT 12,500.
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TRANSFER FOR THE GENERAL FOR THE SERVICES PROVIDED AT THE CLUBHOUSE.I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT, UM, I DON'T SEE THAT WE HAVE A SHEET THAT REFLECTS THE NUMBERS YOU ARE SHARING.
SO I SHOULD JUST GO DOWN AND PROBABLY READ.
SO, UM, MAYBE YOU COULD TELL US WHAT THE HEADING IS ON THE PAGE HERE.
SO IF WE'RE LOOKING AT YOUR CHANGES IN THAT POSITION, YOUR HONOR, THIS WILL BE THE, THIS WILL BE THE, UH, TOWARD THE END OF YOUR PACKET SCHEDULE REVENUE EXPENDITURES.
SO, UM, SO IF WE'RE LOOKING AT BUDGET TO ACTUAL FOR THE YEAR, IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS, UM, THE ACTUAL TAXES COLLECTED HERE TODAY IS 215,000 1 68 ANNUAL.
ARE YOU, SHE YEAH, SHE'S AN ACTUAL THAT, YEAH.
SO, UM, I, I GUESS MAYBE WE HAVE DIFFERENT DATES.
MY REPORT SAYS AS OF FEBRUARY 29 AND MINE SHOWS TOTAL TAXES COLLECTED OF $205,400.
SO YES, SO, SO THE BUDGET COLUMN, THE ONE ON THE LEFT, AND THEN THE ACTUAL YEAR TO DATE IS THE NEXT COLUMN NUMBER UNDER ACTUAL.
SO THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS THAT I'M I THANK YOU.
SO, SO FOR ADD THEOR TAXES FOR THE TAXES AND INTEREST COLLECTED, IT'S A TOTAL OF $215,362 FOR THE SALES TAX YEAR TO DATE, UH, $65,855.
THAT'S ABOUT 47% OF THE YEAR TO DATE PER BUDGET.
OUR INVESTMENT EARNINGS YEAR TO DATE IS $53,493, UM, WHICH IS REFLECTED AT QUITE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT GREATER THAN WHAT WAS BUDGETED SALES AND SERVICES.
6,000 FOR RENTAL INCOME YEAR TODAY, $36,150 OF PARKING RENTAL INCOME FOR A TOTAL INCOME OF 42,150.
SO THAT BRINGS UP TOTAL REVENUE YEAR DATE IS 376,860.
ON THE EXPENDITURE SIDE, OUR OPERATING EXPENSES YEAR DATE IS 14,007 40.
OUR DEBT SERVICE IS $48,844 FOR PRINCIPAL INTEREST PAYMENTS.
TOTAL $5,195 FOR A TOTAL DEBT SERVICE OF 54,039 FOR OUR TOTAL EXPENDITURES YEAR.
OUR OTHER FINANCING SOURCES IS A TRANSFER TO THE GENERAL FUND.
THAT'S ANNUAL TRANSFER OF $42,000.
AND THEN, SO OUR TOTAL CHANGE IN THAT POSITION IS 266,081.
OUR NET POSITION PERIOD ENDING FEBRUARY 29TH, 2024 IS 2,006,576.
JUST A NOTE IN CASE THE RENTAL INCOME ON YOUR SALES AND SERVICE, THAT'S $6,000 IS MONIES WE RECEIVED FROM THE FARMER'S MARKET.
THAT'S THE RENTAL INCOME THAT IS RECEIVED HERE IN YOUR PARKING FOR RENTAL INCOME.
IT SAYS RENTAL INCOME, CORRECT.
THEN THERE'S PARKING, RENTAL INCOME, TWO DIFFERENT INCOME.
SO YOU HAVE INCOME FROM PARKING AND THEN WE HAVE INCOME FROM THE FARMER'S MARKET.
WHY ARE WE DOWN ON THAT? IS THAT IT'S PROBABLY MAYBE WHEN THEY, UM, WELL, I DON'T SEE THAT WE'RE DOWN ON THAT 60,300 BUDGET.
THE, UH, NO, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE PARKING IS 60,300 FOR PARKING INCOME.
THE RENTAL INCOME IS, THE BUDGET IS 6,000.
WE'VE ACTUALLY COLLECTED 6,000 AND HE'S TALKING ABOVE THE PARKING RENTAL INCOME.
YEAH, YEAH, BECAUSE I PAID, YOU GOTTA PAY NOW AND WE ALL PAY FOR PARKING.
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ALSO, UM, I GUESS THE RENTAL SPACES, SOME PEOPLE PAY AT DIFFERENT TIME.SOME PEOPLE PAY IN JANUARY, SOME PEOPLE PAY IN JULY.
AND THIS IS ONLY REFLECTIVE AS OF THROUGH FEBRUARY 29TH.
SO WE HAVE UNTIL JUNE 30TH OF THIS YEAR.
ON THE INTERESTING, UM, I MEAN, DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT PERCENTAGE YIELD THAT IS? I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION WITH ME.
WHAT, WHAT MECHANISMS THAT WHAT, WHAT, HOW ARE WE GETTING THAT? WHAT, WHAT ACCOUNT IS IT IN? WE HAVE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT, UH, INVESTMENTS HERE IN, UM, WHERE PART OF IT IS, UM, JUST VERY LITTLE BIT IS WITH OUR CHECKING ACCOUNT.
THAT'S JUST A FEW DOLLARS A MONTH.
UH, THEN WE HAVE THE N-C-C-M-T, UH, THAT WAS $4,004.70 89 CENTS JUST IN FOR THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY.
AND THEN, UH, SOMEBODY THAT WE STARTED WITH WITHIN THE PAST YEAR WAS NC CLASS.
AND, UM, THAT EARNING WAS JUST UNDER $3,000 IN INTEREST FOR THE PAST MONTH.
WE HAVE OUR ALL STATE, ALL STATE MUNICIPALITIES GET INVESTED.
IS THAT THE ONLY THING WE CAN INVEST IN? CAN WE GO TO THE BANK AND SAY, HEY, FIRST CITIZENS SAY WHOEVER ELSE.
WE'RE VERY, WE'RE VERY RESTRICTED ON WHAT WE CAN INVEST IN.
WE HAVE NINE AND THESE TWO INVESTMENT, UM, HAVE FOLLOW WITHIN.
I WOULD JUST CURIOUS TO IT'S OKAY TOO.
IT'S SAFE AND, YOU KNOW, GUARANTEED THAT, UM, THAT'S WHY WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY DO CERTAIN MEASURES BECAUSE WE'RE A GOVERNMENT COUNTY INVEST IN STATED IN THE STATE STATUTES FOR MSD IS WHAT THEY CAN INVEST IN.
I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S PROBABLY UNDER THE STATUTES IT WOULD JUST BE UNDER MUNICIPALITIES.
SO IT'S THEIR FUNDS THAT THEY'RE INVESTING, NOT OUR RIGHT.
BUT IT'S GONNA BE THE STATE STATUTES CORRECT.
OF WHAT WE CAN INVEST AND WE'LL GOVERN BY LOCAL GOVERNMENT COMMISSION ON HOW INVESTMENTS ARE MADE SO THAT THAT FALLS UNDER THE NORTH CAROLINA OF TREASURY ON THAT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR TANYA REGARDING THE FINANCIALS? I I HAVE A QUESTION JUST JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY OF THE PARKING RENTAL INCOME, UM, UH, THE, THE NEWEST PARKING LOT WE'VE ADDED FOR THE APP OVER BY THE REGISTERED LEADS.
UM, WHAT HAS THAT BEEN BRINGING IN SINCE WE STARTED? DO YOU HAVE A, I'M JUST CURIOUS.
IT HAS THERE, I THINK FOR THIS, FOR THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY IT WAS THAT $500, BUT, UH, THE BUSIEST MONTHS WERE, OF COURSE AROUND THE HOLIDAYS.
SO IT HAS VARIED, UM, COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLARS, A COUPLE THOUSAND, SO OH YEAH, OVER A THOUSAND I THINK FOR A COUPLE MONTHS, MAYBE NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER.
WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS APPROXIMATELY WE'VE GENERATED OVER, OVER $4,500 ON THAT.
SO TO GIVE, TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, NORMALLY WE WERE GENERATING $7,000 ANNUALLY ON, ON THAT PARKING LOT AND WE'RE ALREADY ON COURSE TO BREAK THAT NUMBER.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANTED TO SEE.
WE WANTED TO GIVE IT AT LEAST A YEAR TO SEE HOW, HOW THAT PARKING WAS GONNA BE ON THE PAY, PAY AS PARK.
AND SO, SO FAR WE'RE PLEASED WITH THE NUMBERS.
AND THE, THE, THE MAJORITY OF THE PARKING OCCURS THURSDAY AFTERNOONS FRIDAY, SATURDAY.
UH, HENCE YOU DON'T SEE MUCH PARKING OVER THERE NOW, WHICH TELLS US WE DON'T HAVE A PARKING ISSUE, SO AT THE MOMENT.
UM, DOES ANYONE MONITOR IT? I MEAN, HOW EASY IS IT FOR PEOPLE JUST TO PARK THERE AND NOT PAY IT? IS, IT IS MONITORED ON A REGULAR BASIS? YES.
YOU CATCHING ANYBODY THAT'S WE DO
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYBODY ELSE? IF NOT, I NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FINANCIALS.
FROM MICKEY MILLER AND A SECOND, I'LL SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? OKAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS PER OUR LAST WORK SESSION WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, AS WE'RE MOVING FORWARD IS A LOT OF EDUCATION AND TRYING TO GET INFORMATION AND UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE ISSUES DOWNTOWN
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AND SOME OF THE PROJECTS WE WANT TO LOOK AT MOVING FORWARD.SO WE ASK, UM, GEORGE CHILD, WHO IS THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS TO COME TODAY TO TALK TO US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE WITHIN THE MSD AND ADDRESS SOME OF THE THINGS SUCH AS THE WATER SOURCE, THE ELECTRIC, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE PAVER, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WOULD FALL UNDER THIS DEPARTMENT.
I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE TODAY.
UM, AND I WAS KINDA LOOKING AT THE, THE LAST ITEMS FROM THE PRIOR MEETING.
IS THIS MY PHONE? THE, THE LAST ITEM FROM THE PRIOR MEETINGS THAT Y'ALL DISCUSSED? AND, AND ALL OF 'EM DO HAVE VALUE, UM, AS, AS I GO DOWN SOME OF THESE THAT WOULD AFFECT, UH, DIRECT INFRASTRUCTURE RELATED TO THE STREETS AND SIDEWALKS AND POSSIBLY THE UTILITIES.
UM, I, I SEE A, SEE SEVERAL THAT, THAT ARE EASY FIX, THAT ARE EASILY DONE.
SOME THAT WERE ACTUALLY CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING THROUGH, UM, THE, SOME OF THE MAINTENANCE ITEMS OF THE TRASH RECIPROC.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE A PLAN WHERE WE ROTATE TWO IN AND TWO OUT TO GET SANDBLASTED AND REPOWER CODE.
IF WE WOULD LIKE TO EXPEDITE THAT SCHEDULE, WE CURRENTLY CAN, UM, WE CAN, WE FOUND THAT WE CAN HAVE THEM REDONE, WE CAN DO TWO FOR ONE RATHER THAN REPLACING IF WE JUST HAVE THE SANDBLASTED REPOWER CODE.
SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THAT AS THEY LOOK MATERIAL AND PULL OUT.
BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY, UH, EXPEDITE THAT AND MAKE THE SCHEDULE UP IF YOU LIKE THE, UM, SIDEWALKS AND PAPERS WE CAN LOOK AT HAVING THAT DONE.
UM, THAT IS A VERY COSTLY PLAN TO DO.
UM, ONE, ONE ABERRATION I HAVE OF GOING DOWN THE 200 BLOCK OF POLY IS AS WE DO THAT ON THE OTHER STREETS IN TOWN THAT WE'VE DONE, LOTS OF THE STREETSCAPE TREES WILL REPLACE WITH THAT PLANE BECAUSE UNDERNEATH THOSE PAVERS, THERE'S ALSO A LAYER OF BRICK, I MEAN CONCRETE.
SO YOU'VE GOT A CONCRETE SUBSTRATE UNDERNEATH IT THAT THEN THE PAVERS ARE SET INTO AND SAND.
SO AS WE DIG DOWN THROUGH THAT, UNDERNEATH THAT EXISTING CORNER SIDEWALK, WE'RE LIKELY TO GET INTO THE ROOT STRUCTURE OF ANY EXISTING TREE ON THAT STREET.
SO THAT, THAT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT INTO THE THOUGHT AS IF, IF YOU WANT TO GO THAT WAY, WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT PRICING ON IT.
IF, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S OF INTEREST TO LOOK TO DO.
UM, INSTALLING THE WATER SOURCES, AND WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION IN PRIOR YEARS FOR, FOR THE BUILDINGS DOWNTOWN, WE HAD REAL APPREHENSION ABOUT HAVING A USE DIRECTLY BEHIND THE METER IN THE SIDEWALK.
UM, WE, WE DON'T CONTROL, THE CITY DOESN'T CONTROL THE UTILITY ONCE IT LEAVES THE METER THAT'S ON THE USER SIDE.
WHAT WE WOULD PREFER TO SEE IS ACTUALLY TO HAVE THE BUILDING HAVE A STICK AND SAW ON THE BUILDING FACE OR ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT WAY IN TOTAL CONTROL OF THE BUILDING OWNER, NOT THE PUBLIC.
IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T COME FROM THE SIDEWALK WITH ANOTHER LID.
SO AS THE, IF YOU'VE SEEN RECENTLY SOME OF YOU BEEN IMPACTED FIBER INSTALLATION DOWNTOWN ONLY IMPROVED SIDEWALK SECTIONS.
WE HAVE REQUIRED 'EM TO ACTUALLY PUT THEIR SERVICE HANDLE BOXES BELOW THE PAPERS.
SO, SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID IS OUR ENTIRE IMPROVED SIDEWALK PAVERS TO BECOME UTILITY BOX LIDS.
AND THAT WOULD JUST ADD ANOTHER LID IF WE PUT 'EM DIRECTLY THE SIDEWALK.
SO IF THE BUILDING OWNERS LIKE TOOK ON THE RESPONSIBILITY TO PUT THAT SPIGOT ON THE OUTSIDE OF THEIR BUILDING, UM, ONE, IS THERE A WAY TO TAP INTO THE WATER SOURCE THAT'S UNDERNEATH THE PAVERS? I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IS THAT THE ISSUE? AND THEN SECOND WOULD REQUIRE HPC REVIEW TO PUT A SPIGOT ON THE OUTSIDE.
WHAT WOULD BE INVOLVED IN TRYING TO DO THAT? ALWAYS HPC IS THE IMPACT.
IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT SOMETHING ABOVE GRADE'S VISUAL, UM, I'M NOT SURE HOW THEY WOULD VIEW, UH, UTILITIES VEHICLE.
UM, I, I THINK IT WOULD BE IN THE OWNER'S INTEREST TO HAVE IT THAT WAY.
MAINLY BECAUSE YOU CAN PUT A SECURITY TYPE VALVE ON IT WHERE ONLY YOUR, YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THAT VALVE WHEN THEY'RE IN THE STREET, BECOME UNFORTUNATELY OF PUBLIC USE SOMETIMES, WHICH IS NOT THE INTENT.
SO, UM, OUR, OUR PREFERENCE WOULD HAVE BE HAVE THEM ON THE STRUCTURE AND USUALLY DEPEND ON WHERE YOUR WATER FEED COMES FROM.
SO FROM THE METER TO THE BUILDING, IF THAT IS WHERE YOUR WATER COMES IN, IT'S, IT'S NEVER EASY TO ACCESS AN UNDERGROUND UTILITY WHEN YOU'RE HAVING TO GO INTO A SLAB OR INTO THE SIDEWALK.
IT'S, IT'S COSTLY ON THE CITY SIDE.
IF YOU GO INTO THE SIDEWALK, IT'S COSTLY ON OWNER GOING INTO THE SLAB INSIDE THE BUILDING.
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VARY FROM STRUCTURE TO STRUCTURE DEPENDING ON WHERE THE SERVICE CODE IS IN THE BUILDING.GEORGE, THE, THE WATER NOW THERE ARE CAPS ON THE PAVERS FOR THE WATER METERS, CORRECT? CORRECT, CORRECT.
HOW HARD IS IT TO JUST PUT A SPIGOT ON THE, THERE'S NOT ROOM INSIDE OF THAT BOX, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, TO PUT AN ADDITIONAL SPIT INSIDE OF THE METER BOX.
UH, WITHOUT, WITHOUT A LARGE, THE STRUCTURES DO.
MOST OF US HAVE TIME, LIKE I HAVE A BASEMENT.
WE, WE DID PUT A, WE PUT A FOSTER ON IN FRONT OF OUR BUILDING, SO WE, OF COURSE WE HAVE A BASEMENT, SO IT IS, IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IT, THE PLUMBER COMES TURN THE WATER OFF, THEY TAP INTO THAT WATER LINE AND THEN RUN UP THAT WALL AND THEY CAN PUT IT A LOT EASIER THAN I THOUGHT I SHOULD HAVE DONE IT 25 YEARS AGO.
BUT THOSE OF US THAT DO HAVE BASEMENTS, IT WOULD BE, IT IS EASY.
MS, WHEN DID YOU DO YOURS? ON THE EXTERIOR? YES.
UH, ACTUALLY IT'S RIGHT BY MY FIRE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE RENOVATED IN NINE FIVE, WE HAD TO PUT THAT, UM, FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO HOOK UP TO, I GUESS OR THE SYSTEM.
YEAH, SO WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT EXTRA, I GUESS, USAGE OF ORDER IF WE NEEDED IT, UM, BESIDES THE FIRE HYDRO, BUT IT'S, IT'S LITERALLY RIGHT BY A FLOWER POT RIGHT OUT FRONT.
LOOK AT INSTALLED IN NINE FIVE, DID YOU SAY? NO, JUST PROBABLY EIGHT YEARS AGO WHEN WE STARTED PUTTING THOSE FLOWER POTS OUT FRONT, IT JUST BECAME AN ISSUE IN ABOUT, AND THEN WE TURNED UP, WE HAVE A SHUTOFF VALVE INSIDE THE BUILDING SO THAT NO ONE COMES IN AND SMACKS THE WATER DURING THE FESTIVAL,
SO THAT'S, IT'S JUST PART OF OUR THING.
SO WHEN WE COME IN THE MORNING, WE TURN THAT ON WATER PLANTS.
I KNOW IT'S BEEN AN ISSUE DOWNTOWN.
A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE, WERE TRYING TO KEEP THE FRONTS OF THE BUILDINGS CLEAN.
YOU NOTICE WE'RE HAVING A LOT OF ISSUES WITH THE, UM, POLL.
THE POLLEN AND IT MAKES THE AWNINGS LOOK REALLY DINGY AND BAD AND TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE HAD A WATER SOURCE.
YOU NEED TO GET THE PEPSI ONE THOUGH.
I'M GETTING BRAND NEW ONES BECAUSE I LOST ONE
JUST KEEP THE WINDOWS CLEAN, THE WINDOWSILL CLEAN, BEING ABLE TO TAKE DOWN COBWEBS, YOU KNOW, USING THE WATER SOURCE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
UM, I HAVING TO TALK WITH MATT SHELLY AND IF IT IS NOT AN ISSUE AT ALL, UM, INVITE HIM TO COME TO DOWNTOWN COUNCIL MEETING TO TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS.
HOW ABOUT, UM, SOME BACKPACK, ELECTRICAL POWER WASHERS, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD, WOULD NOT BE ENOUGH TO JUST HOSE IN DOWN AND SIMPLE SOLUTION.
WOULD YOU PUT A COUPLE GALLON OF WATERS ON YOUR, ON YOUR BACK? IS THAT WHAT YOU DO? AND YOU, AND YOU? WELL, THERE'S ALSO A BOOM, UM, YOU SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE PRESSURE.
UM, WE GET BOTTLE TWICE A YEAR, JUST WE'VE GOT WATER.
UM, THEY ACTUALLY WHOLE TRAILERS AND PRESSURE WASH.
I MEAN, THE ISSUE IS PAYING, YOU KNOW, FOR EVERYBODY TO ARRANGE FOR AND TO PAY FOR AND I THINK THAT'S A CONSISTENT OBSTACLE, UM, IN, IN DOWNTOWN WITH BUSINESSES.
UM, I THINK THAT'S WORTH A QUICK CONVERSATION WITH MATT SHELLEY AND RIGHT.
BUT ON, ON THE OTHER THING, LYNN HAS TAKEN THE INITIATIVE WITH THE DOWNTOWN COUNCIL.
WE GOT, UM, QUESTION ABOUT OUR LAST MEETING WHO WOULD BE INTERESTED.
AND SHE'S GONE OUT AND KIND OF LOOKED AT ONE OR TWO FIRMS THAT WOULD BE WILLING TO TAKE ON SEVERAL CUSTOMERS AND SAY, OKAY, HERE'S THE PRICE AND YOU KNOW, WHOEVER WANTS TO SIGN ON, I'LL COME AND WASH THE FRONTS OF YOUR BUILDINGS POWER WASH YOUR AWNINGS AND TRY TO GET LIKE A ROOT BREAK.
SO SHE HAS TAKEN THAT ON AND I KNOW THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S MOVING FORWARD.
BUT AGAIN, I GUESS FOR PEOPLE IN BETWEEN WITH THE POLLEN AND EVERYTHING THE WAY IT IS NOW, IT'S GOOD TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THAT LAYER GETS ON YOUR WOODWORK OUTSIDE AND THE WINDOWS LOOK BAD AND I MEAN, HONESTLY, I THINK THAT MOST BUSINESSES SHOULD BE SPRAYED DOWN ON A WEEKLY BASIS, HONESTLY, JUST TO GET SOME GROUND.
YEAH, JUST THE CITY DIRT THAT HAPPENS.
I MEAN, I HAVE IT AT MY HOUSE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT YOU HAVE TO JUST RINSE THINGS OFF.
SO, SO I THINK WHAT SHE'S SAYING IS THAT MAYBE WE GET THAT OR WE GET MATT TO COME TO A BAD TOWN COUNCIL OR
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TALK TO SOME OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS ABOUT WHAT THE PROCESS WOULD BE TO ADD A SPIGOT, I GUESS TO A, A FRONT OR A SIDE OF THE BUILDING WHEREVER, HOW IT WOULD WORK AND MAYBE GO THAT ROUTE BEFORE SPENDING MSD DOLLARS TO TRY TO PROVIDE A WATER SOURCE.UM, IS THAT CORRECT? I'LL REPORT BACK TO THE BOARD MINUTES.
SO, UM, FOR MONTH BEFORE MONTH THEY ALL THE CITY, UM, POWER WAS THE SIDEWALKS.
HOW DO Y'ALL DO THAT? IS THAT TRUCK I, WATER TRUCK I COULDN'T PROVIDE EVEN THOUGH THEY DON THAT, THAT ACTUALLY WE'RE SCHEDULING TO DO THAT SEVERAL WEEKS WAITING FOR THE POLLEN TO, UH, CEASE AND, AND THE FINISH COMING DOWN BEFORE WE DO THAT, WE DO IT OVERNIGHT WITH ONE OF OUR CREWS.
WE KNOW THE RESIDENT, UNFORTUNATELY, WE DO IT OVERNIGHT AND WE BRING IN A TRAILER TANK, UM, THAT, THAT CONTAINS OUR WATER AND FRESH WASHING NEEDED TO, TO DO THAT.
WELL WHAT DOES THAT COST TO DO THAT ONCE A MONTH? I MEAN, YOU DO IT ONCE A YEAR, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE YOU A PRICE, UM, BECAUSE WE DO IT AT DIFFERENT RATES, OVERNIGHT HOURS AND, AND EQUIPMENT COSTS IT AND I THINK IT'S 50 ON A SUNDAY AND USUALLY WASTE THE, AND THE CHEMICAL IN THERE.
I'M ON THE ROOF OF THE, FOR THE LAST TWO WEEKS SCRUBBING THE ROOF OF THE CHEST, THE RUBBER ROOF TO GET BACK TO ONE OR TWO TO WHITE AGAIN INSTEAD OF BLACK.
IT'S AMAZINGLY GRIND, BUT I FEEL YOU SHOULD TAKE YOUR TIME.
YOU CAN GET A FIVE GALLON BUCKET OF WATER AND AND WASH FRONT OF YOUR BUILDING.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD SPEND TOO MUCH TIME ON FIGURING OUT.
I I REALLY, I MEAN, IT'S MORE THAN A BUCKET OF WATER.
IT'S A, IT'S A LADDER AND IT'S RUSHES AND I MEAN, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU POWER WASH THAT APP, OF COURSE THEN YOU GOTTA HAVE SOMEONE COME IN AND WASH THE WINDOWS BECAUSE I HAVE SO MANY WINDOWS, IT'S A MESS.
SO, BUT THAT'S PART OF RUNNING YOUR BUSINESS.
I DON'T EXPECT THE CITY TO CLEAN MY AUDIENCE.
UM, AND I DON'T MEAN TO BE RUDE, BUT I, I'LL COME DOWN AND WALK.
JUST WAIT, I'LL BRING A COUPLE, THREE TIMES MORE WINDOWS THAN YOU.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT UPSTAIRS, DOWNSTAIRS.
I'VE GOT 20 FEET OF GLASS ON BOTH SIDES.
YEAH, WELL I, I'VE GOT A GUY THAT DOES WINDOWS.
YOU WANT, I MEAN, I CAN'T, IT'S REASONABLE.
HE HASN'T POPPED OVER BECAUSE THE LAST COUPLE THEY RETIRED.
SO, AND I KNOW LET'S COME BY TO OFFER A SERVICE.
LET, LET, YEAH, I WOULD LOVE TO.
YEAH, WE DON'T, WE'LL GET THIS INFORMATION.
LET, LET'S MOVE ON TO SOME OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE.
'CAUSE I PROMISE THAT I KEEP YOU ALL TO AN HOUR TODAY.
JUST, JUST A REAL QUICK QUESTION ON THIS ISSUE.
UM, GEORGE FIRE HYDRANTS, IS THERE ANY KIND OF A FIXTURE THAT CAN GO ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE FIRE HYDRANT THAT IS A SPIGOT THAT A HOSE COULD BE ATTACHED TO? I'M JUST WONDERING, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY FIRE HYDRANTS THERE ARE DOWNTOWN, BUT IF A SCHEDULE WERE PUT TOGETHER AND IF THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, A FIXTURE, A TAP INTO, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A PROCESS WHERE YOU COULD, YOU COULD MAKE IT AVAILABLE ON A GIVEN DAY AT A CERTAIN TIME.
FOR THE BUSINESS OWNERS THAT ARE WITHIN PROXIMITY TO EACH HYDRANT, JUST AS ANOTHER OPTION.
I I DON'T ALSO REAL WITH, AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LIGHT POLES, THERE ARE SO WATER IN THOSE LIGHT BULBS WHEN THEY'RE NOT, NOT IN THE LIGHTHOUSE.
YOU THINK ABOUT ONE VEST WHERE PUT THE BRACKETS UP.
THERE'S CERTAIN PLACES IN TOWN THAT DETERMINE FOUR VEST WHERE WE HAVE VENDOR WATER ACCESS AND THEY ONLY COME PUT THOSE METERS AND BOW SET UP ALL DURING FEST.
UM, CAN WE ADDRESS, UM, ELECTRIC AS WELL? THAT'S THE OTHER, UM, ITEM ON OUR THING, YOU KNOW, THE ELECTRIC TO GET TO THE TREES, TO LIGHT THE TREES, YOU KNOW, THAT HAS BEEN SOMETHING WE REALLY WANTED DOWNTOWN FOR A LONG TIME NOW, AS WELL AS POTENTIALLY MOVING FORWARD SOME KIND OF SOUND SYSTEM OR SPEAKER SYSTEM THAT WE WOULD HAVE IN OUR, OUR DOWNTOWN AREA.
WERE YOU ABLE TO GET SOME INFORMATION FROM CHARLIE ON? WE WE'RE WORKING ON GETTING THE PRICES.
SO, UM, MY QUESTION TO YOU IS BASICALLY WHERE WE HAVE THE STREET STATE TREE BOXES, IS THAT WHERE YOUR INTENT AND WHAT YOU'RE THINKING AS A COMMITTEE TO ADDRESS THOSE TREES, RIGHT? YES.
BECAUSE THAT'S, YOU'D WANT TO LIGHT UP THE TREES VERSUS THE POLES.
YOU KNOW, WE WRAP THE POLES NOW, BUT,
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AND WE, WE THINK FROM MY INITIALWE'VE JUST GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GET CONDUIT TO 'EM.
UM, I WILL LET YOU KNOW AGAIN, WITH THESE EXISTING STREET STATE TREES, AND I TALKED TO OUR
AS WE RUN CONDUIT, WE'RE GONNA PULL THE PAPER STUFF CONCRETE AND THEN PROVE SECTIONS TO GET CONDUIT TO THE TREES.
WE'LL GO THROUGH AN ALREADY COMPACTED GROUP OFF WHERE THOSE TREES, BECAUSE THEY'RE RESTRICTED TO THEIR AREA GROWN CURRENTLY.
SO THERE, THERE COULD BE DAMAGE TO THE TREE, ROOF WALL WHEN WE INSTALL THE CONDUIT TO GET THE OUTLET TO THE BASE OF THE TREE AND THAT, AND THAT IS POSSIBILITY.
ANY OTHER LIKE NEW MEANS OF BRING THE ELECTRIC? ALWAYS, UNFORTUNATELY ELECTRIC UTILITY, WE HAVE
THERE'S ALREADY SEVERAL BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN THAT HAVE YOUR OWN SOUND SYSTEMS. YOU, YOU WALK, YOU HEAR ONE, THEN YOU KNOW, TWO STORES DOWN, YOU A DIFFERENT ONE AND THEN YOU HEAR A DIFFERENT ONE.
SO AS YOU'RE GOING DOWN THE STREET, YOU HEAR MANY DIFFERENT GENRES OF SOUND.
SO THEN YOU WANT TO DO IT IN THE STREET AS WELL OR IT WOULD BE MULTIFACETED.
NOT NECESSARILY IT, IT COULD PLAY MUSIC, BUT IT WOULD BE A, A MEANS OF, UM, ANNOUNCEMENTS AS YOU KNOW, MAYBE DURING THE DAY, YOU KNOW, ONCE AN HOUR, JUST AS IN, YOU KNOW, PARKING ON THE STREET IS TWO HOURS AND ENDS AT FOUR O'CLOCK OR TODAY STREETS ARE CLOSING AT FIVE O'CLOCK, PLEASE HAVE YOUR STREET OFF.
IT COULD BE AN EMERGENCY WHERE THE CITY NEEDS TO POLICE EVACUATE THE STREET.
IT WOULD BE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE DURING FEST OR SOME KIND OF CAR SHOW SOMEBODY COULD BE AT, AT A STABLE PLACE.
AN ANNOUNCEMENT YOU WOULD HEAR THE CITY WOULD CONTROL.
AND WHOSE VOICE ARE WE? I MEAN THAT'S SO FAR DOWN THE ROAD,
THEY HAVE IT IN SEVERAL CITIES IN EASTERN NORTH CAROLINA.
IT'S REALLY A WONDERFUL AMENITY.
AND THEY HAVE SECURITY CAMERAS AS WELL.
IF YOU'RE GONNA DO SOUND WHERE YOU MIGHT AS WELL DO SECURITY CAMERAS TO, THAT WOULD BE UP TO PD.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO MONITOR THAT TO MONITOR THAT AND, AND LOOK THAT AND KNOW WHAT THE RULES ARE AS FAR AS IM FOSTER.
CAN YOU ADDRESS RULES AS FAR AS CAMERAS IN PUBLIC PLACES AND WHAT'S ALLOWED THAT'S NOT ALLOWED? NOTHING IS THE, THERE CAN BE RECORDINGS.
UM, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT CAMERAS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IF, IF THIS WAS A SECURITY ISSUE IN THE MSD, HAVE AN INTEREST IN IN CAMERAS, UM, THEN THE MS D WOULD TAKE THE CALLS OF THOSE THINGS.
POLICE WOULD MONITOR, LIKE THEY MONITOR THE OTHER CAMERAS IN THE CITY.
WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE ANY CAMERAS ON ANY STREETS OUTSIDE OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS IN OUR PARKS.
THANK YOUR, AND AS I, AS I LOOK THROUGH THE LIST, THOSE WERE SOME OF THE MAIN TOPICS.
I KNOW, UM, THERE'S BEEN SOME GENERAL DISCUSSION ABOUT TRASH CONTAINER IN TRASH AREAS, UM, IN THE MORGANS PARKING LOT, CHELSEA AND SOME PLACES LIKE THAT.
BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT JUST THE WATER AND THE UTILITY AND THE SIDEWALKS, JUST, JUST UNDERSTAND, UM, ONE, THE COST, GET 'EM UP, PUT IT BACK DOWN, AND WHAT EXISTING UTILITIES WE CURRENTLY HAVE UNDERNEATH THOSE SIDEWALKS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO INTERFERE WITH.
YES, WE CAN GET THINGS THROUGH THERE.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY ELECTRIC CON AND JUST FOR OUR SERVICES OR SMALL DIAMETER, WE USUALLY GET THEM AROUND, BUT THEY MAY BE IMPACTFUL TO SOMETHING ELSE.
UM, YOU KNOW, TREES BEING BORN, UM, THAT THERE, THERE'S A CHANCE OF OF SOME KIND OF INTERFERENCE THERE.
GEORGE, DID YOU BRING EXAMPLE LITTLE CROSSWALKS? OH YES, THE CROSSWALKS I DID HAVE.
WE'RE JUST GONNA PASS THIS ABOUT A HALF DOZEN.
SO THIS IS JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF A THERMO INLAY CROSSWALK.
UM, THIS WAS ACTUALLY DONE, UH, BY A COMPANY OUTTA CHARLOTTE.
SO THERE, THERE'S IN STATE PROVIDER TO DO THIS.
IT'S A THERMOPLASTIC BRICK, UM, THAT WILL BE HEATED DOWN TO THE PA.
UM, VERY SIMILAR TO SOME OF THE TRAFFIC MARKS THAT YOU SEE
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ON THE HIGHWAYS.THE EXAMPLES WE'VE SEEN OVER 18 YEAR USE IS VERY POSITIVE, UH, WAS, UH, VERY IMPRESSED FOR HOW LONG THEY LAST.
UM, IT WOULD BE A COMBINATION WITH A THERMOPLASTIC WHITE BAND, WHICH IS A MORE VISIBLE TO ENHANCE THE CROSSWALKS AT OUR INTERSECTIONS.
UM, I THINK IT IS, I THINK IT'S A POSITIVE THING.
I THINK AESTHETICALLY IT LOOKS GOOD DOWNTOWN.
THEY HAVE MANY DIFFERENT EXAMPLES, UM, THAT CAN BE DONE WITH DIFFERENT COLORS AND BRICK PATTERNS.
BUT THIS WAS JUST ONE GENERAL EXAMPLE THAT I THOUGHT KIND OF SUITED, UH, THE, THE GENERAL BRICK COLOR DOWNTOWN FIT IN.
BUT IF, IF THAT'S A CONSIDERATION, WE'RE GONNA CURRENTLY GET PRICES FROM THIS PROVIDER, INSTALL OUTTA CHARLOTTE TO UH, GIVE US A COST PER INTERSECTION TO DO FOUR CROSSWALKS WITH EACH INTERSECTION.
WHICH INTERSECTION? WE'RE GONNA START WITH THE MAIN ONES, UM, IN THE CORE ON PILOT AND CRAVEN AND, AND THEN SOUTH.
I'M NOT SURE THAT WE HAVE
A MIDDLE, A MIDDLE AND CRAVEN ON PILOT.
AND THEN THE INTERSECTIONS ALONG SOUTH SHARP.
JUMPING BACK, I I SUDDEN I WAS THINKING WITH THE MUSIC OR THE LIGHTS OR THE TREES, IS IT FEASIBLE TO GO ACROSS OUR BRUCE? SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME.
LIKE, HAVE WE EVER THOUGHT ABOUT AND SAY, GOING UNDER THE SIDEWALK, WE EVER THOUGHT ABOUT BRINGING ACROSS OUR ROOF, WHETHER IT WAS A LIGHT SHINE DOWN OR A SPEAKER, THAT WE COULD BRING DOWN X AMOUNT AND RUN THE WIRES ACROSS OUR ROOFS INSTEAD OF BEING DOWN THE SIDEWALK.
WE EVER THOUGHT OF THAT? IS THAT FEASIBLE? IT WOULD BE FEASIBLE WITH, UH, SOME KIND OF UTILITY EASEMENT ACROSS THE PROPERTY.
THAT WOULD BE CHEAPER, WOULDN'T IT? INSTEAD OF DIGGING AND HOLDING THE SIDEWALK UP ANYWAY, I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, GO BACK TO SOMETHING.
BUT SITTING HERE WE GO ACROSS THE ROOF, ALL CONNECTED, STAY ACROSS THE FRONT.
IT'S JUST GONNA BE HERDING CATS.
YEAH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET EACH PROPERTY OWNER TO INDIVIDUALLY.
BUT I MEAN, I SUDDEN LIKE, AND I WASN'T SURE IF WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT, BUT ONCE YOU'RE ALSO GONNA SEE, YOU GONNA SEE OVERHEAD WIRES.
THE DOWNTOWN WENT THROUGH AN UNDERGROUND CONVERSION SEVERAL YEARS AGO AS PART OF ONE OF THE UPGRADES.
YOU WILL SEE LINES, UH, GOING EITHER FROM A BUILDING ACROSS THE SIDEWALK INTO A TREE.
WE'VE RECENTLY SEEN ONE IN ANOTHER CITY.
I WON'T, I WON'T DISCUSS IT WITH COFFEE.
UM, AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT BECAUSE WHEN THE TREES ARE OFF, THE LEAVES ARE OFF THE TREES, IT IT IS REALLY EXPOSED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE A CLEANER LOOK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YEAH, YEAH.
BE MINDFUL OF ANYTHING AERIAL SUSCEPTIBLE BY WHEN THE UNDERGROUND WAS DONE, WAS IT DONE WITH CONDUIT AND DOES THAT CONDUIT, IF SO, DOES THAT CONDUIT HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL CAPACITY? HINDSIGHT'S 2020.
UH, CURRENTLY THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ADDITIONAL CAPACITY TO PUT UTIL IN THOSE AREAS.
SO THEY, WE WERE ALL EXCITED THAT THEY LAID CONDUIT.
WE SAID GREAT, WE HAVE CONDUIT, BUT IT DIDN'T TELL US IT WASN'T BIG ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE ANY ADDITIONAL WATER GOING THROUGH IT.
WELL, IN ALL OF OUR STREETS FOR THOSE THAT ARE JUST NEW, ALL OF OUR STREETS HAVE A BALTIMORE BRICK.
SO UNDERNEATH THAT PAVEMENT THERE IS ANOTHER LAYER OF THOSE BALTIMORE BRICKS.
SO I WAS, I GOT THE EXPERIENCE FOR ALL THAT WORK AND I KNOW WHAT GOES INTO THAT SIDEWALK.
SO YEAH, TAKING THE STREETS UP DOWNTOWN IS, UH, YEAH, AN ARCHEOLOGICAL EXCAVATION.
OTHER QUESTIONS FOR GEORGE? UM, WHAT ABOUT THE STORMWATER? IS THERE, ARE THERE OPPORTUNITIES WITH THE MS FOUR PERMIT THAT IF YOU DO ANY IMPROVEMENTS THAT COULD TIE IN THAT, UM, EASE UNDER THAT PERMIT? WHAT, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS WITH STORMWATER, UM, TREATMENT AND RETENTION, UM, UNFORTUNATELY THERE'S LIMITED SQUARE FOOTAGE TO DO TREATMENT.
UM, SUBGRADE TREATMENT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO THE HIGH WATER TABLE.
WE CAN'T PUT IT'S DIFFICULTY TANKS UNDER GROUND TO FACILITATE THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT IS VERY, IT IS DIFFICULT BEING WHERE THE CITY IS SO CLOSE TO THE OUTFALL.
SO YOU'RE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HILL, THE DRAINAGE.
SO WHEN IT IS, WHEN IT'S COMING FROM UPFIELD FROM ANOTHER DESTINATION TO GO THROUGH THESE AREAS, WE DON'T HAVE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE TO RETAIN IT, TO TREAT IT.
AND AT THAT POINT WE DON'T WANT TO SLOW IT DOWN BECAUSE WE'VE GOT OPEN WATER COMING ON US.
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UM, WHEN, WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH A, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF YEAR OLD CITY, WE'RE AT THE BOTTOM, BOTTOM OF THE HILL AND WE NEED TO LET IT GO BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLACE TO PUT IT.THE THE SOIL WATER INFRASTRUCTURE, I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, THERE'S SEVERAL PLACES DOWNTOWN THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT SPECIFICALLY IN A ASSET INVENTORY AS ASSESSMENT THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY, UH, STARTING UP THAT WE HAVE 400,000 GRANT FOR THAT ARE GONNA GO IN AND GET SPECIFIC DATA ON LOTS OF THE STORM WATER AND THE FREIGHT BASINS IN THAT AREA BECAUSE WE HAVE CERTAIN STORM STORM BASINS THAT ARE BEING OVERWHELMED, MAINLY BECAUSE WE'VE GOT SOME UNKNOWN DRAINAGE COMING TO IT THAT MIGHT BE OLD PIPES TOGETHER THAT WE'RE UNAWARE OF.
SO THEY'RE GONNA DO A LOT OF, UH, SURVEY WORK AND, AND CAMERON FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE BRINGING DOWNHILL THAT MAY BE OVERWHELMING TO SERVE BEARING BEFORE IT GETS TO THE DISCHARGE.
WE WOULD BE PAYING FOR THE M MSS D CASE FOR THIS IF WE, IF IT'S APPROVED THE APPROVE IS WOULD BE AN MS D CASE.
I'LL HAVE, I'LL CERTAINLY CHECK THAT BEFORE I HAVE IT.
HE, HE STUCK TO THE ROAD AND MATCH.
GEORGE, ONE MORE THING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IS THE IDEA, IDEA OF A CROSSWALK BY MORGAN'S IN THAT AREA ON STREET, UH, LIKE WHAT WE HAVE STREET, MIDDLE STREET.
HAS IT EVER BEEN LOOKED AT BY YOUR DEPARTMENT? NOT, NOT IN MORTGAGE, BUT WE CERTAINLY LOOK AT IT.
WELL WE'RE ALWAYS APPREHENSIVE TO PUT MIDBLOCK CROSSWALK, UM, BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE A CONTROLLED TRAFFIC INTERSECTION WHERE YOU EITHER HAVE STOP SIGNS OR STOPLIGHTS.
WE CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT AREA.
WE'VE SEEN A GREAT BENEFIT AND WE INSTALL SEVERAL THROUGHOUT TOWN THAT SLOW PEDESTRIAN AND JUST NOT INSIDE RIGHT ON THE CENTER LINE OF THE ROAD.
WE, WE'VE GOT ONE ON MIDDLE, UM, WE'VE INSTALLED ONE, I BELIEVE WE SHOULD INSTALLED ONE DOWN THE STREET ON THE CURRENT CROSSWALK.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY ON GEORGE STREET IN FRONT OF THE SENIOR CENTER THAT, THAT WE'VE SEEN SOME REALLY, UM, POSITIVE EFFECTS AS JUST VISUALLY SLOWS TRAFFIC DOWN JUST BECAUSE THEY SEE IT AND IT'S A VERY INEXPENSIVE ISLAND.
SO WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AND POSSIBLY ACROSS ALL, WE SEE A PLACE THAT A LOT OF DRIVEWAYS IN THERE, IN THAT SECTION.
YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM YOU TO BE AWAY FROM THE DRIVEWAY SO YOU DON'T HAVE A A VEHICLE TURNING INTO THAT.
WE CERTAINLY EVALUATE TO SEE IF THERE'S AN APPROPRIATE LOCATION.
GEORGE, DO YOU, DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW THE HISTORY OF WHAT I'M GONNA CALL THE SPEED BUMPS THAT ARE AT THE BASE OF MIDDLE STREET, THE 100 BLOCK OF MIDDLE STREET WHERE IT CROSSES THE INTERSECTION? UH, THEY CROSS KIND OF MIDBLOCK MIDBLOCK.
THEY'RE ELEVATED CONCRETE BRICK.
UM, AND I CANNOT TELL YOU THEY DISAGREE ON THAT OTHER THAN THEY WERE THERE.
I DUNNO IF THAT WAS SOMETHING ABOUT SCOTT ON A PUBLIC RIGHT OF I BELIEVE THEY, THEY'RE THERE BEFORE SCOTTSDALE.
I'M NOT SURE, BUT THEY'RE LAW IF WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT AND SEE IF WE SOME INFORMATION, IF YOU DON'T MIND, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING TO KNOW.
AND THEN, AND THAT MAY BE A SITUATION WHERE IF WE REMOVE BRICK CROSSWALK UP RIGHT, THAT'S WHY I ASKED APPLY APPLY CROSSWALK RATHER THAN HE TRIES TO LOOK LIKE THIS BUT IT DOESN'T FUNCTION LIKE THIS.
HE DID FIND A TEXT, YOU KNOW, WHERE THAT WONDERFUL USED TO BE ME WENT THROUGH THE TRAFFIC LIGHT AT THE MIDDLE AND SOUTH FRONT BECAUSE I KNOW I WAS ON FOREVER.
THAT WAS ACTUALLY, UH, STRUCTURAL FAILURE OF THE DRAINAGE CUL UNDERNEATH THE ROAD.
AND SO IT MADE THE CONCRETE VALLEY GUTTER COLLAPSE, BUT WE REPLACED THE PIPE AND HIT AWAY ACTUALLY WITH UH, THE VALLEY GUTTER AND REBRANDED THE DRAINAGE IN THAT INTERSECTION.
OKAY, WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS.
UM, GEORGE, WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE TODAY.
I WANT MOVE ON TO UM, LIVE HERE AND PARKING.
WHAT I PASS OUT HERE TO EVERYBODY IS AGAIN, OVERVIEW OF PARKING TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING.
WE HAVE SO MANY NEW PEOPLE ON THE MSD TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT PARKING.
SO WHAT YOU'VE BEEN HANDED OUT TELLS YOU HOW MANY SPACES ON STREET, TWO HOUR PARKING SPACES BY BLOCK.
SO YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE LISTING.
HOW MANY SPACES ARE THERE FOR A TOTAL ON STREET? TWO HOUR SPACES OF 411 SPACES? WE HAVE THREE ALL DAY.
48 IN THE GOLD BEAR AND 60 IN THE BLACK BEAR.
WE'LL KEY IN ON THAT A MINUTE.
THERE'S 294 SPACES TOTAL THERE.
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THEN WE GO TO UNION POINT WHERE THERE'S FREE ALL BASE SPACES, 114 IN UNION POINT PARK.THE LOT ACROSS FROM CITY HALL IS 50.
OF COURSE THOSE ARE PAID SPACES THEN PRIVATE LOTS, PRIVATE LOTS PARKING SPACES IN DOWNTOWN ARE 1,512.
AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE 56 SPACES IN THE FIRST CITIZENS LOT ACROSS FROM BELLAS THAT PEOPLE PARK IN
THEY ARE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, BUT THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE 15TH WAGON.
WHAT ABOUT SECONDARY CHURCH PARKING LOT? YOU KNOW, MY ROTARY PARKS THERE.
BUT THAT'S NOT EMSD, SO WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S IN D OKAY, SO LYNN, YOU HAVE THAT MAP THAT SHE WANTED TO SHOW AND I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE JUST A BRIEF EXERCISE FOR US TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT PARKING AND REALLY HOW MANY PARKING SPACES WE DO HAVE, HAVE.
BUT BASICALLY, UM, EVERYTHING THAT'S PUT IN BLUE IS PRIVATELY OWNED.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF ERRORS THERE, UM, THAT IS BEHIND THE CHELSEA.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF LOTS THAT ARE PUT AS BLUE THAT SHOULD BE PINK, WHICH WOULD INDICATE THAT THERE'RE PUBLIC LOTS.
SO ONE THING THAT I DID NOT INCLUDE IN THE NUMBERS THAT WERE CIRCULATED TO EVERYBODY WAS THE LEAST, THE LEAST LOTS THAT ARE IN THE DOWNTOWN.
AND THERE ARE 54 SPACES BY CHELSEA THAT ARE LEASE AND THERE'S 44 SPACES OVER BETWEEN THE POLOS AND MORGANS, UM, AS WELL.
IT MIGHT BE EASIER THAN FOR ME TO, CAN'T REALLY SEE TOO MUCH, BUT UM, BUT THIS IS A, A MAP THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER, I'M GONNA SAY IN LIKE 2019, UM, BY PUBLIC WORKS SO THAT WE UNDERSTOOD WHAT THAT INVENTORY WAS DOWNTOWN.
OF COURSE WE HAVE DONE SEVERAL PARKING STUDIES, UM, IN, IN DOWNTOWN.
UM, GOING BACK TO, I REMEMBER 2007 I BELIEVE WAS THE LAST ONE THAT WE DID, AND THEN WE HAD ONE IN THE NINETIES PRIOR TO THAT.
UM, I'VE GOT ALL THE NOTES IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM.
I SERVED ON JUST ABOUT ALL THE PARKING COMMITTEES WHEN WE INITIALLY, 1989 IS WHEN AMY MEADOWS REQUESTED THAT WE GO TO A TWO HOUR PARKING.
AND UM, THAT WAS ENFORCED FOR A LOT OF YEARS AND THEN OF COURSE DOWNTOWN REQUESTED THREE HOURS.
SO WE WENT BACK TO THE, THE TWO HOUR ENFORCE, I BELIEVE IN 20 11, 20 10, SOMEWHERE IN THERE.
UH, UH,
UM, YOU'LL PROBABLY MAY NOTICE THAT THERE'S A DISCREPANCY BETWEEN THE TOTAL NUMBER OF SPACES THAT ARE ON THE SHEET THAT WAS JUST PASSED AROUND TO YOU.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE UPPER RIGHT HAND LEGEND ON THAT MAP AND THAT DISCREPANCY IS BECAUSE THE MAP ITSELF INCLUDES IN THE PARKING INVENTORY NUMBER BETWEEN BROAD AND NEW STREET.
AND FOR THE PURPOSES OF WHAT WAS CIRCULATED HERE TODAY, THAT INFORMATION WAS NOT INCLUDED.
'CAUSE THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE MS. SO HAS BROAD STREET'S M MSD BROAD IS A LIMIT BEYOND M MS. BUT BROAD STREET NO.
I SHOULD LOOK AT THIS INFORMATION.
YEAH, IT'S GREAT TO SEE WE HAVE 1,512 PARKING SPACES.
I'M CURIOUS, UM, WITH ALL OF THE BUSINESS BEING DONE FROM 8:00 AM UNTIL, I DON'T KNOW, 5:00 PM LET'S JUST SAY, UM, WHAT'S THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE DOING BUSINESS? I MEAN, DO WE HAVE 2000 PEOPLE DOING BUSINESS BETWEEN 8:00 AM AND 5:00 PM WHICH WE BRING 2000 CARS.
SO, UM, SO HOW DO WE KNOW? WE CAN ASK, WE CAN ASK MELISSA TO RUN SOME NUMBERS ON PLACE.
THAT IS A GOOD IDEA TO, TO GET THAT IDEA.
BUT I WOULD TELL YOU THAT A LOT, THE PRIVATE LOT, YOU CAN LOOK AROUND AND SEE THE SPACES ARE VY LEAST BY BUSINESSES.
AND ALSO REMEMBER THE NUMBER OF VISITORS DON'T CORRELATE TO THE NUMBER OF CARS.
AND SOME OF THOSE PRIVATE SPACES ARE PARKING LEVEL AND THEY DURING THE DAY, BUT EVENING PEOPLE GET UPSET.
THEY COME BACK, THEY CAN'T PARK IN THEIR PARKING SPACE WHEN THEY GET HOME TO WORK.
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OKAY.I KNOW YOU'VE HAD SOME INITIAL QUESTIONS ABOUT PARKING.
UM, WELL THIS, THIS IS REALLY, UH, EYE OPENING THAT THERE ARE, AND I I'VE NEVER REALLY HAD AN ISSUE WITH, WITH PARKING DURING NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS.
UH, I THINK IT IS DURING SPECIAL EVENTS WHERE PEOPLE PROBABLY COMPLAIN ABOUT PARKING.
SO IS THERE ACCOUNT THAT INDICATES, YOU KNOW, WHEN CERTAIN STREETS ARE CLOSED, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S GONNA REDUCE THIS AND IT IS KIND OF A, UM, EVEN COMPOUND BECAUSE YOU HAVE MORE PEOPLE AND LESS AVAILABLE PARKING.
WELL YOU HAVE LESS AVAILABLE PARKING IN THE AREAS WHERE THE STREETS ARE CLOSED, BUT YOU CAN SPILL OUT INTO THE SURROUNDING AREAS AND THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL GROUND BEAR LOT THAT HAS HOW MANY SPACES AROUND THE GROUND BEAR? MM-HMM.
THAT'S ABOUT FOUR BLOCKS TO, UM, WEST OF THE DOWNTOWN PLUS STREET PARKING.
THAT'S THE ONE IN THE, IT'S THE HABITAT, THE RESORT, THE ONE PLATE THAT I HAVE ON THE PARK, IT'S ON THERE.
ANY PLACE THAT HAS LADIES LUNCHES, ANY KIND OF, UH, BUSINESS MEETING OR WHATEVER USUALLY LASTS LONGER THAN TWO HOURS.
YOU GET THERE HALF HOUR EARLY AND THEN YOU CHIT CHAT AFTERWARDS.
AND THEN MY LADIES ARE GETTING TICKETS.
SO TO ME, NOTHING WORSE THAN GOING TO LUNCH AND THEN YOU GET A $25 TICKET, IT WOULD STOP PEOPLE FROM COMING DOWNTOWN.
AND I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS A BACKGROUND BESIDES THE CONVENTION CENTER.
WELL YOU DO HAVE, WHAT'S THE NUMBER SPACES? THE BLACK BEAR LOT HAS 60 SPACES.
REMEMBER MY OLD LADY, LIKE THE PARKING THE FRONT DOOR, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S RAINING.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE CAN RUN INTO WITH, THERE'S ONLY A FEW SPOTS OUT THE FRONT DOOR REGARDLESS.
THEY GO ACROSS THE STREET INTO THE FIRST CITIZENS LOT.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF, BUT JUST KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU DO HAVE THESE LUNCHES, IT'S TRUE.
IT'S, I'M I'M RUNNING INTO IT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE MOVED OUR EVENTS FROM THE CHELSEA HISTORICAL SOCIETY.
I MEAN, IS IS A WAY TO GET CREATIVE AND PROVIDE VALET OR DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO, TO DRIVE, YOU KNOW, TO GET TO PARK THE CARS FOR THEM IN A LOT THAT MAY BE A BLOCK AWAY THAT THEY DON'T WANT WALK.
BUT I DON'T BRING THE REVENUE TO THE CITY.
EVEN IF THERE WAS CHRIS, I WOULD ARGUE EVEN IF THERE WAS A TWO HOUR PARKING, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SPACES TO ACCOMMODATE AGREED REGROUP.
AND, AND LISTEN, I'M NOT SITTING HERE.
BUT HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE RESOLVE THAT? HOW DO WE THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX? THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
WHAT WE BRING TO THE TABLE AND THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX TO KEEP THE BUSINESS THE VALUE OF THE BUSINESS.
WHAT DO WE OFFER? DO WE OFFER A LITTLE GOLF CARDS? DO WE OFFER SOMETHING? I MEAN, AGAIN, WE'RE SMARTER, WE'RE SMARTER THAN THAT.
YOU KNOW, CAN WE, CAN WE PICK OUTSIDE OF THE BOX TO I THINK MAKE MIDDLE STREET ONE WAY AND HAVING HORIZON A PARKING SPOTS SHOULD PARKING, PARKING, NOBODY KNOWS HOW TO PARALLEL PARK.
IT WOULD BE SO, SO I WILL, AGAIN, TRYING TO BE MINDFUL OF THE TIME.
UM, OUR, OUR NEXT THING IS TALKING ABOUT OUR NEXT WORKSHOP.
I THINK MAYBE A PARKING WORKSHOP OR, OR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER LIKE A TWO HOUR MEETING LIKE WE DID THE LAST TIME IN OUR WORKSHOP TO TAKE SOME OF THESE ISSUES.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FLESH OUT AND DECIDE WHERE WE'RE GONNA SPEND OUR MONEY, WHAT'S OUR, OUR PROJECTS GOING TO BE LIKE.
I WILL UM, UH, ALSO LET YOU KNOW THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING WE DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE FARMER'S MARKET.
THEY'VE GOT SOME ISSUES THERE, OF COURSE WITH THE DOORS ARE REALLY IN BAD SHAPE.
THEY'RE CONCERNED SOMEBODY MIGHT GET HURT.
THE BATHROOMS ARE NOT A DA ACCESSIBLE.
AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE'D HAVE TO SPEND OUR FUNDS FOR.
SO I'M GOING TO ASK FOSTER TO BRING THAT TO THE NEXT WORK SESSION.
GET US SOME PRICING OR SOME IMMEDIATE NEEDS, WHAT WE NEED TO DO THERE AND LOOK AT THAT AND REVIEW THAT.
'CAUSE THAT'S PRETTY, UM, WOULD BE EASY TO LOOK AT AND DO AND DECIDE IF WE WANNA SPEND SOME FUNDS OR RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD OF ALL GOVERNMENT TO SPEND FUNDS IN AT OUR MARKET.
THAT IS REALLY A ASSET TO OUR CITY.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THE BUILDING IS OKAY.
UH, SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING.
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INTO MORE IN DEPTH DISCUSSIONS ABOUT PARKING, PARKING DECKS, THINGS LIKE THAT.REMEMBERING THAT NO MATTER WHERE WE PUT A PARKING DECK, SOMEBODY'S GONNA BE FAR AWAY FROM SOMEBODY'S BUSINESS.
SO, UM, AND WE DO HAVE, PROBABLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, WE HAVE WHAT, ALMOST 3000 SPACES IN DOWNTOWN.
ALMOST 3000 PARKING SPACES AND ALMOST, UH, PARKING IN MSD ISN'T THE, UH, FARMERS MARKET.
ISN'T THAT YEAH, THAT'S ONE OF THESE LOTS.
THAT'S THE, IS IT THE GOLD? THAT'S THE GOAL.
BEAR THE, SO THAT'S INCLUDED IN THIS.
HOW ABOUT ACROSS THE STREET THAT, UM, THAT IS NOT, THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE, THAT IS NOT INCLUDED.
'CAUSE THAT'S NOT THE
THEN, THEN ON THE WEEKEND DID YOU CHANGE UP? SO LIKE ON THE WEEKEND WE CAN PARK IN THE BACK BEHIND THE CHELSEA.
SO SATURDAY AND SUNDAY THAT NUMBER BY UM, 54 PLUS 48, 90 MORE PARKING SPACES.
BUT YOU'RE GONNA TAKE AWAY FARMERS.
THERE'S A NEXT INCREASE, UM, 50 PARKING SPACES ON THE WEEKEND WITH REMOVAL OF ON SATURDAYS WITH REMOVAL, 48 SPACES, PARKING THERE SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S NOT INCLUDED BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT OUTSIDE.
D IS A HISTORY CENTER, WHICH THERE'S, THERE ARE A LOT OF SPACES THERE THAT THERE ARE, BUT THEY, I MEAN PEOPLE PARK THERE MUCH LIKE PEOPLE PARK AND THE FIRST CITIZENS BANK LOT, BUT THEY ARE NOT PUBLIC PARKING LOTS.
THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED PRIVATE PARKING SPACES.
FENCE COULD BE THEY HAVE AN EVENT THAT DOESN'T ALLOW YOU TO PARK THERE OR WHATEVER.
UH, MOVING ALONG ON OUR AGENDA.
THANK YOU ALL FOR THE DISCUSSION.
UM, I'D LIKE TO SCHEDULE, UH, THE NEXT WORKSHOP EITHER TUESDAY, APRIL THE SECOND, OR APRIL THE NINTH.
ANYBODY HAVE A PREFERENCE ON THOSE HERE? THE NINTH.
WELL SOMEBODY MAKE A, MAKE MOTION.
I, YOU KNOW, A MOTION TO SCHEDULE IT AND IT WOULD BE FROM 12 TO TWO.
SO I WOULD ASK EVERYBODY TO SCHEDULE TWO HOURS.
CAN WE GET A, A NUMBER OF HANDS? WHAT DATE WORKS BETTER? UM, OKAY.
YOU TALKING ABOUT THE SECOND? YES.
YEAH, THE SECOND, UM, THE SECOND WILL NOT WORK FOR SEVERAL OF US, INCLUDING THE OH, OKAY.
BECAUSE OF THE, WELL IF IT WAS, IT WAS 12 WAS AT 12.
SO IT WOULD BE YEAH, A QUICK SHIFT.
BUT I MEAN THE NINE I HAVE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ATTEND THE SECOND I COULD WORK.
SO ALL OF THOSE THAT CAN ATTEND ON THE, WHO PREFER THE SECOND RAISE YOUR HAND.
ANYBODY ON AND THEN THE NINTH WE JUST HAVE.
SO, UM, AND BEFORE WE GET A MOTION, WE GET A MOTION FOR THAT DATE.
I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT CHANGE OF VENUE.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE, I'VE HAD COMMENTS FROM, UM, THE BOARD MEMBERS HERE THAT, UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE PUBLIC ATTENDING, WE'RE NOT, WE CAN'T REALLY GET AROUND A TABLE.
THIS IS DIFFICULT TO SEE ONE ANOTHER AND SPEAK TO ONE ANOTHER.
SO THE SUGGESTION HAS BEEN MADE TO USE THE CHAMBER MEETING ROOM BECAUSE WE CAN SIT THERE AND WE CAN INVITE MORE PEOPLE TO THE TABLE SITTING IN THE CHAMBER.
AND IT'S A BIGGER, A BIGGER VENUE FOR US.
SO, UM, HOW DOES EVERYBODY FEEL ABOUT, WE CAN GET, WE TRY TO GET A DATE FOR TODAY, BUT THEY WERE NOT AVAILABLE.
BUT IF WE SCHEDULING, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND IT'S AVAILABLE BOTH DAYS.
OKAY, SO THE MOTION THAT I NEED THEN I NEED A MOTION TO ASK THAT WE HOLD A WORK SESSION ON APRIL THE SECOND.
AND THAT THE, UH, THE PLACE OF THE MEETING WILL BE AT THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
SO I NEED SOMEBODY TO MAKE THAT MOTION.
AND MICKEY, SO I HAVE A, A MOTION, DID YOU GET THAT FOSTER? YES.
SO OUR NEXT ADVISORY BOARD MEETING, OUR REGULAR BUSINESS MEETING WOULD BE MAY THE 21ST.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION THAT WE, WE CHANGE THE VENUE FOR THAT AS WELL? OR SHOULD I JUST HAVE A MOTION FOR ALL MEETINGS TO MOVE TO THE CHAMBER? DO THAT.
SO I NEED A MOTION NOW FOR ALL OF OUR MEETINGS TO BE CHANGED TO THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE
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MEETING ROOM A.AND GRETCHEN MAKES THE SECOND.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER, ANYTHING ELSE TO BRING TO THE TABLE? OKAY, WITH THAT I NEED TO HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN, PLEASE.
WELL, I, I HAVE ONE MORE THING.
UH, I MENTIONED THIS AT, AT A PREVIOUS MEETING, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE INTERNATIONAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL COME IN TO EVALUATE TWO PROPERTIES.
ONE OF THOSE IS THE CARBON CORNER OF, UH, HANCOCK SOUTH FRONT STREET.
UH, FOR THE DAYS END PROPERTY.
WE'D LIKE TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYONE IN, I WANT YOU TO DO THIS BY MOTION.
ANYONE ON THE M MSD COMMITTEE WHO WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE FOCUS GROUP? UH, WHEN THE, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPERS COME IN TO LOOK AT THE HIGH USE FOR THAT.
I, SO DEFINITELY NEED PROBABLY HAVE TO BE A RECOMMENDATION AND A MOTION.
UM, WE WILL ALSO HAVE SOME OTHER, OTHER SEATS AVAILABLE.
WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT EIGHT FOLKS AND SO WE'RE OBVIOUSLY GONNA INCLUDE SWISS BEAR CHAMBERS, SOME RESIDENTS, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA ASK REPRESENTATIVES AS WELL.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET A MIX OF THINGS.
SO SOD THIS TALK, UH, UH, THIS GROUP WOULD BE THE FOCUS GROUP FOR THE DAYS IN PROPERTY.
WE'RE GONNA DO TWO DIFFERENT FOCUS GROUPS.
BUT WHAT, WHAT I'M ASKING THIS GROUP FOR IS FOR THE PROPERTY AT GANG SOUTH.
LOOK, THAT'S WITHIN THE M MSS DI JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I WAS CLEAR ON THAT.
SO LIKE, WOULD THERE ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND SOMEONE THIS COMMITTEE, BUT WOULD THE COMMITTEE LIKE TO COMMEND? I THINK EVERY, SINCE EVERYBODY WOULD, WOULD LIKE TO BE INVOLVED IN SOME WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM.
HOW MANY WOULD YOU WANT FROM THIS GROUP? ONE, TWO, NONE.
WE COULD DO TWO FROM THIS COMMITTEE.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE DAYS IN PROPERTY.
THAT, THAT'S GONNA BE IN A SEPARATE, SEPARATE THING.
I WAS RAISING MY HAND FOR THE
YEAH, I MEAN, I WOULD HESITATE TO NOMINATE OR, OR ANYTHING.
'CAUSE I THINK EVERY ONE OF US, IF YOU INTERESTED, RAISE YOUR HAND AND WE'LL REACH BACK OUT TO YOU.
IS THIS AGAIN HANCOCK C**K? YES, JUST THE C**K LOT.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? AND CAN I PLEASE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVED AGAIN.