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SO WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.UH, I THINK THIS IS OUR FOURTH MEETING, UH, THE NEW BOARD WIFE AND PEDESTRIAN COMMITTEE.
UM, AND YOU MIGHT RECALL DURING THE LAST MEETING THAT WE HAD, ONE OF OUR, UM, MR. HAND, UM, SUBMITTED HIS RESIGNATION.
AND, UM, IN BETWEEN THE LAST MEETING AND THIS MEETING, WE HAVE A NEW MEMBER, UM, AND MR. HENRY.
MR. HENRY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF INTRODUCTION AS A BACKGROUND OF WHO YOU ARE? SURE.
UM, I'VE BEEN HERE FOR ABOUT, JUST OVER THREE YEARS.
I CAME FROM, UH, YORKTOWN, VIRGINIA, WHERE I LIVED FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS.
I WAS IN THE AIR FORCE FOR 23 YEARS, DID A LOT OF DIFFERENT, UM, ASSIGNMENTS AROUND THE WORLD.
BUT, UM, THE WHOLE TIME I WAS A, A, UH, PRETTY AVID RUNNER.
AND, UH, AS I'M GETTING OLDER, IT'S BECOMING HARDER AND HARDER TO DO.
SO I, I PICKED UP THE BICYCLE, SO I'M INTERESTED IN, IN, UH, IN BOTH BIKING AND, AND RUNNING.
AND MY WIFE IS EXPERIENCING THE SAME THING, BUT HER SOLUTION IS TO WALK.
SO WE'VE, WE HAVE ALL THREE BASES COVERED.
AND, UH, IN, UH, IN YORKTOWN, I SAW THE WAY THAT, UM, A, UH, A COMMUNITY IS NOT SUPPOSED TO RUN BECAUSE THEY, IT WAS JUST A VERY, VERY LOW PRIORITY FOR, FOR ANYBODY BESIDES MOTORISTS.
AND, AND IT REALLY WAS DANGEROUS.
SO WHEN I SAW THAT OPPORTUNITY THAT CAME UP FOR THIS, I THOUGHT, WELL, THIS IS A WELL RUN CITY.
AND I'M SURE THAT THEY WOULD TAKE IT VERY SERIOUSLY AND DO IT RIGHT.
SO I, I RAISED MY HAND AND VOLUNTEERED, SO I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE.
UM, AND FOR HIS BENEFIT, LET'S JUST GO AROUND THE TABLE SO HE KNOWS, UM, WHO WE ARE.
SO, I, I'M ROB ERMAN, MAC WHITE, MARY DAVIDSON, I SENDING THE ASSIGNED ARGUMENT, GEORGE TOS.
I'M THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR.
I'M JESSE RU, I'M THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR, AND WE'VE ALREADY MET WITH DEANNA, TROUBLE WITH THE NEW BURN AREA, NPO.
SO, SO WE WERE MISSING BILL SAT DIRECTOR.
[2. Public Comment]
UM, THIS PART OF THE AGENDA IS, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT, PERIOD.SO IT IS OPEN TO, UM, RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENTS FROM ANYONE WHO'S IN ATTENDANCE.
UM, IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE? OKAY.
AND I JUST LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES AND YOU ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE ITSELF.
IT MAY, MAY OR MAY NOT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT YOU'RE SPEAKING, UM, AND MAY, MAY OR MAY DIRECT STAFF TO INVESTIGATE FOR HER.
AND IF YOU'LL PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
UH, JERRY KING AT 1 0 5 QUEEN STREET IN DOWNTOWN.
UM, BEFORE I START, RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'RE AWARE OF VISION ZERO.
UH, VISION ZERO BASICALLY IS TO ELIMINATE DEATHS AND SERIOUS INJURIES WITHIN A, A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD.
IT STARTED IN SWEDEN IN, I THINK, UH, 90, 97.
AND RIGHT NOW MOST OF THE MAJOR CITIES IN THE US HAVE, HAVE ADOPTED IT.
THERE'S PROBABLY ABOUT 20 CITIES IN NORTH CAROLINA THAT HAVE ADOPTED IT.
AND, UH, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN IS IT ACTUALLY HAS MILESTONES TO ACHIEVE THAT GOAL, WHICH BASICALLY MEANS MAKING THE, THE STREET SAFER, MAKING THE SIDEWALK SAFER, AND, AND ALL THOSE THINGS.
SO, UH, NEXT TIME YOU, UH, LOOKING TO UPDATE YOUR PLAN, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND, UH, UPDATING AS, UH, THE MILESTONE IS, UH, UH, VISION ZERO PLAN.
I, UH, I HELPED WRITE IT, UH, FOR ALEXANDER VIRGINIA.
WE HAD THE, UH, FIRST, UH, VISION ZERO ACTION PLAN IN THE STATE, SO THAT THAT WAS A START.
BUT IT TOOK US OVER A YEAR TO WRITE IT.
BUT IT'S, UH, IT'S EFFECTIVE BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR STATISTICS OF THEIR, THEIR DEATHS AND SERIOUS INJURIES, UM, THEY HAVE GONE DOWN.
AND IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S THE GOAL OF THE CITY, THEN YOU HAVE TO DO IT.
IT'S A COMMITMENT TO THE CITY, TOO, IS YOU HAVE TO PUT MONEY UP TO MAKE THESE CHANGES, TO MAKE THE ROADS SAFER FOR BICYCLES, PEDESTRIANS, AND PEOPLE IN CARS.
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NOT TOO MUCH WORRIED ABOUT PEOPLE IN CARS BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LOT OF STEEL AROUND IT.BUT, UH, SO, UH, THAT'S ALL I GOT.
I LIVE AT 2 2 8, UH, DRAKE LANDING IN NEW BERN.
UM, THIS IS MY FIRST TIME TO ONE OF THESE MEETINGS.
UH, IT WAS ACTUALLY PASSED ON TO ME BY A FRIEND AND COLLEAGUE WHO, UH, CAME TO THE LAST MEETING, UM, WHICH HE COULDN'T MAKE IT HERE TONIGHT, BUT HE DID ASK, UM, TO KIND OF PUT A PLUG IN.
BOTH, BOTH HE AND I HAVE BEEN INTERESTED IN, AS WELL AS SOME OF OUR BIKING FRIENDS AND COMMUNITY IN, UH, TRAILS OUT TOWARDS, UM, TOWARDS THE CROATAN AND TOWARDS, UM, BETWEEN HERE AND, UH, CHERRY POINT, AS WELL AS ALL THE WAY TOWARDS, UH, ATLANTIC BEACH.
AND THAT WAS, THAT'S ONE VISION I'VE, I'VE HAD THAT I WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO PROMOTE INTEREST IN.
UM, AND I'VE, UH, AGAIN, UM, OTHERS IN THE BIKING COMMUNITY THAT I'VE, UM, SPOKEN WITH AND THAT I RIDE WITH, UH, HAVE ALSO EXPRESSED SIMILAR INTERESTS IN HAVING, UM, ALMOST BASICALLY SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF A, A CONNECTOR PATH OR A SAFER, UM, A SAFER WAY, A MEANS OF COMMUTING BETWEEN NEW BERN, HAVELOCK NEWPORT, YOU KNOW, ALL THE WAY TO MOREHEAD AND ATLANTIC BEACH.
AND, UM, JUST OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY WHERE I'VE LIVED AND, AND, UM, AND TRAVELED.
THERE HAVE BEEN GREENWAYS AND BELTWAYS AND, AND ASPECTS TO DO THIS.
AND I'D JUST LIKE TO TRY TO SEE WHAT SUPPORT I CAN TRY TO BRING TO, TO THE TABLE AS FAR AS THAT GOES, AND, AND ATTACHING SOMETHING MORE, MORE ALONG THOSE LINES HERE.
UM, I'M PEN FRENCH, AND I LIVE AT ONE 10 STUDY BRANCH ROAD HERE IN NEWBURN.
I, UM, RETIRED FROM THE CITY OF NEW AND AFTER 30 YEARS, SO I'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME.
AND, UM, I'VE BEEN RETIRED SEVEN YEARS, AND I GOTTA TRAVEL SOME AND WENT ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
AND I SAW A LOT OF PLACES THAT HAVE REALLY NICE GREENWAYS AND PEDESTRIAN WALKWAYS AND BIKE PATHS.
AND, UH, IT JUST MADE ME THINK, WOW, WOULDN'T IT BE NICE FOR NEW BERN TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT? UM, MY HUSBAND AND I, YOU KNOW, WE RIDE OUR BIKES AND WE RODE, YOU KNOW, DOWNTOWN AND EVERYTHING.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC AND ALL WE WOULD REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE A NICE GREENWAY THAT'S DEDICATED FOR BIKERS AND FOR PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE HIKING EVERYTHING.
I JUST SEE WHAT IT DOES TO PEOPLE.
UM, THEY SEEM TO BE GETTING OUT THERE, GETTING SOME PHYSICAL FITNESS AND GETTING IN BETTER SHAPE AND JUST THE RELAXING ATMOSPHERE OF IT.
UM, EVEN WENT AND VISITED MARK MARIETTA ROCK QUARRY, I MEAN THE, THE PARK THIS WEEKEND.
AND I JUST WAS AMAZED AT HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE GATHERED THERE AND ARE RIDING THEIR BIKES AND ARE WALKING AND JUST SO RELAXED AND HAPPY.
AND IT JUST REALLY HUMBLED MY HEART, YOU KNOW, TO SEE THAT IN NEW BERN.
I DON'T WANT TO LIVE ANYWHERE ELSE.
AND WE HAVE TWO RIVERS THAT COME TOGETHER, AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF BEAUTIFUL AREAS THAT I REALLY WOULD LOVE TO SEE BEING SHOWCASED, UM, YOU KNOW, AROUND AND SHOW OFF OUR TOWN A LITTLE BIT.
UM, AND I'M WILLING TO VOLUNTEER AND HELP IN WHATEVER I NEED TO DO, UM, TO HELP GET YOUR PROJECT GOING.
[3. Approval of Minutes – September 12, 2023 Amended and January 8, 2024]
ON THE AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.AND WE HAVE TWO SETS OF MINUTES.
WE HAVE THE AMENDED SEPTEMBER 12TH, 2023 MINUTES.
AND OUR LAST MEETING, WHICH WAS JANUARY 8TH, 2024.
HOPEFULLY YOU'VE HAD TIME TO REVIEW THE MINUTES AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR A MOTION.
WHAT COULD YOU TELL US WHAT WAS AMENDED? YEAH, YEP.
ON THE AMENDED ON SEPTEMBER 12TH, THERE WAS A TYPO.
UM, THE ONLY THING THAT WAS CHANGED IS ON, UM, LINE 43.
I INADVERTENTLY HAD THE WRONG STAFF MEMBER LISTED TO ADMINISTER THE OATH, AND THAT WAS THE ONLY CHANGE TO THE MINUTES.
SO I MOTION TO, WHAT WOULD I APPROPRIATELY SAY? APPROVE? YES.
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YES.AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? I AYE NO POSE, RIGHT? NO AMENDMENTS.
[4. Great Trails State Implementation Report]
THE AGENDA THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT TODAY IS THE GREAT, GREAT TRAILS IMPLEMENTATION REPORT, UM, THE JT BARBER BIKE RODEO.UM, AN UPDATE ON THE COMPREHENSIVE SAFETY ACTION PLAN THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST, UH, MEETING.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT A FEW PRIORITY PROJECTS.
SO THE GREAT TRAILS STATE IMPLEMENTATION REPORT, THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA HAD A GOAL TO IDENTIFY PRIORITY PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE NATURAL SURFACE TRAILS AND PAID GREENWAYS.
AND THEY WERE LOOKING AT, UH, UM, THE PLAN TO CONNECT TRAILS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE STATE.
UM, AND ONCE THEY WERE IDENTIFIED, THEY ALSO WANTED TO FIGURE OUT WAYS TO ADVANCE THOSE PROJECTS A LITTLE MORE QUICKLY SO THAT THEY, AFTER THEY KIND OF DID A DEEP DIVE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE STATE, THEY IDENTIFIED 10 PROJECTS.
AND THOSE 10 PROJECTS, UM, NEW BERN WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF THEM FOR EQUITY BENEFITS.
UM, AND THEN 'CAUSE IT'S, IT PROVIDES A DIRECT CONNECTION TO, UM, ONE OF THE GREENWAY THAT WE HAVE.
SO I'M HOPING THAT YOU GUYS SAW THE EMAIL THAT I SENT OUT THAT, THAT N-C-D-O-T IS SEEKING FEEDBACK FROM THE RESPECTIVE COMMUNITIES.
SO, ADAM, ON THE EQUITY SIDE, YOU CAN SEE NEW BERN WAS ONE OF SEVEN TRAILS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED AND THEY'RE BEING HIGHLIGHTED.
THIS, THIS ONE WAS JUST FOR ON THE EQUITY, BUT WHAT IT DOES IS IT KIND OF TAKES IT, IT LEANS ON THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE ESTABLISHED AND INCORPORATES SOME OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT'S TAKING THE TRAIL THAT, UM, THE EAST COAST GREENWAY TRAIL OFF OF NEWS BOULEVARD AND PUTTING IT CLOSER TOWARDS THE RIVER AND OR THROUGH MARTIN RETA PARK.
SO THIS MS MAP WAS PART OF THE COMMUNICATION THAT I'D SENT OUT.
UM, AND THE BIGGEST TAKEAWAY THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH EVERYBODY IS, IS THAT THEY HAVE, THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK.
AND THIS IS VERY CRITICAL FROM NCT T'S PERSPECTIVE.
UM, NOT SAYING THAT MORE, MORE OUTREACH WOULD GET THE HIGHER PRIORITY PROJECTS, BUT IT WOULDN'T HURT BECAUSE THEN IT SHOWS THE COMMUNITY THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY DESIRES AND WANTS.
UM, AND SO WITH THIS, YES, SO PROVIDE FEEDBACK FROM WHO TO WHO.
SO, UM, SO THE SIR, YOU CAN GO TAKE THE SURVEY.
THE SURVEY, YOU CAN TAKE IT WITH YOUR QR CODE, WITH YOUR CAMERA, OR YOU CAN, UM, AND I CAN SEND THIS OUT TO YOU AGAIN OR YOU CAN TYPE IN THE URL, BUT IT IS A SURVEY TALKING ABOUT HOW OFTEN DO YOU USE THE TRAIL, HOW MUCH DO YOU LIKE THE TRAIL ALIGNMENT.
IT'S VERY, UM, I THINK IT'S 10 QUESTIONS TAKE YOU PROBABLY LESS THAN FIVE MINUTES TO COMPLETE IT.
I ACTUALLY FILLED IT OUT TWICE BECAUSE IT NEVER FELT LIKE IT WENT, OH, WELL WE WON'T TELL ANYONE THAT
WELL, I STILL DON'T THINK IT WENT.
I JUST FEEL, SO I'M WONDERING IF I, SHOULD I CLICK ON YOUR LINK? MAYBE WRITE THIS DOWN AND TRY IT AGAIN? SURE.
DO YOU THINK IF THE LINK WAS MAYBE THE PROBLEM? I DON'T, I HAVE NO IDEA.
WELL I WILL RESEND, I WILL RESEND, UM, THE SURVEY AND MAKE SURE THAT THE LINK WORKS.
BUT I WILL SEND THAT, I MEAN, I DID CLICK ON IT AND IT DID ASK ME THE QUESTIONS AND I ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS, BUT THERE WAS NEVER, THERE WAS NEVER ANY COMPLETION AND IT ALWAYS STAYED UP.
YOU KNOW, LIKE A LOT OF TIMES AFTER YOU HIT SUBMIT IT GOES AWAY AND IT SAYS THANK YOU NOTHING.
AND IT STILL STAYED ON THE LAST SCREEN.
AFTER I HIT SUBMIT, WE, I WILL SEND THAT BACK OUT FOR, UM, NOT ONLY THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS, BUT ALL OF THE CITIZENS WHO'VE EXPRESSED INTEREST BY ATTENDING OUR MEETINGS.
BUT, UM, JUST ENCOURAGE YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY TO TAKE THAT SURVEY THAT RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO ENDING DATE AS TO WHEN, UM, THE SURVEY CLOSES, BUT THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO HELP ADVANCE THIS PROJECT.
SO ANYBODY CAN FILL THIS THING OUT.
ANYBODY, ALL, IF YOU'RE MARRIED, YOU CAN DO IT TWICE.
I MIGHT MIGHT THREE TIMES
SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE JUST THE CITY OF NEWBURN RESIDENCE.
IT IS ANYBODY IN THIS, ANYONE WHO'S GOING TO USE THIS, THIS WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE, UM, AGAIN, BECAUSE THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR DOT TO HOPEFULLY LOOK FOR GRANTS TO HELP ADVANCE THIS MORE FROM A CONCEPT TO A PLAN TO ACTUAL IMPLEMENTATION.
I'VE NOTICED THAT THE GREENWAY, UM, TRAIL, IT'S NOT REALLY MARKED ON THE ROAD, IT'S JUST SIGNS.
SO IT'S NOT REALLY A MARKED TRAIL AS FAR AS DESIGNATING A A BICYCLE LANE? NO, IT'S JUST ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT EAST
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COAST? THE EAST COAST GREENWAY? YES.SO EAST COAST GREENWAY HAS THE CONNECTION AND IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE AN ACTUAL TRAIL.
SO IT COULD BE JUST THAT IT'S, UM, YOU'RE SHARING THE ROAD, UM, AND THAT'S WHAT THE GREENWAY IS TRYING TO GET TOWARDS.
MORE OF A DEDICATED GREENWAY OR A SIDE PATH OR BICYCLING.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE PICTURE RIGHT, RIGHT HERE.
SO BASICALLY IT'S THE ORANGE, IS THAT, YES.
THE PROPOSED TRAIL ROUTE IS THE, THE SOLID ORANGE MM-HMM.
AND THEN THERE'S AN ALTERNATE ALTERNATE ROUTE, WHICH IS THE ORANGE WITH BUBBLES IN IT.
SO I'M JUST LOOKING AT THIS GENTLEMAN'S QUESTION ABOUT EXTENDING DOWN TO JAMESTOWN HAVELOCK.
SO OUR PICTURE DOESN'T SHOW IT.
SO NO, THIS, THIS SURVEY, THE FOR PUBLIC INPUT IS JUST WHAT YOU SEE HERE.
I, I BELIEVE THE EAST COAST GREENWAY GOES DOWN STREET, NOT 70 MM-HMM.
I MEAN, I'VE ALWAYS FOUND SAME SIGN.
I'VE ALWAYS FOUND THAT CRAZY, BUT DANGEROUS AND DANGEROUS, IT GOES DOWN A DIFFERENT ROUTE.
SO DO YOU KNOW IF THERE'S MORE SURVEYS THAT, THAT SOMEONE COULD FILL OUT? I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE YOU MORE INFORMATION.
THIS IS NOT ONE OF THE, I I MEAN HIS PROPOSED PROJECT'S, NOT ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT N-C-D-O-T IS CONSIDERING.
THIS IS THE ONLY ONE IN OUR AREA THAT N-C-D-O-T IS CONSIDERING.
AND SO SINCE IT IS IN BOTH THE CITY LIMITS AND WITHIN OUR PURVIEW OF THE BIKING AND PEDESTRIAN COMMITTEE, THAT'S WHY WE ARE LATCHING ON THE LIST TO TRY AND GET INPUT.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU HAD AN EXTENDED MAP OR SOME OTHER INFORMATION THAT, THAT SOMEONE YEAH.
ON INTERESTED ON THE EAST COAST GREENWAYS WEBSITE.
THEY HAVE THE MAP THAT WILL CONNECT YOUR ROUTE THAT YOU CAN, THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT.
SO AGAIN, I'LL SEND THIS BACK OUT TOMORROW TO EVERYONE SO WE CAN CONTINUE AND THEN YOU CAN JUST SHARE WITH YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY TO TAKE THE SURVEY AS WELL.
SO, SO IDEA ABLE TO EVENTUALLY BE ABLE TO TAKE A BICYCLE LIKE FROM HERE TO ASHEVILLE? YES.
[5. J. T. Barber Bike Roadeo]
SINCE OUR LAST MEETING.DURING THE LAST MEETING WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, MT.
DOT WAS, HAS A BIKE HELMET INITIATIVE THAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR GRANTS.
UM, AND WE TALKED AND I MENTIONED THAT THAT GRANT WOULD BE OPENING ANY MINUTE, ANY DAY, AND WE WERE GONNA BE, UM, ACTIVELY PURSUING IT.
WELL, THE NEXT DAY I GOT A CALL FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THEY WERE INTERESTED IN APPLYING FOR THAT GRANT.
SO WE TEAMED UP AND WE APPLIED FOR A HUNDRED BIKE COMMENTS.
UM, WE CALLED MARY AND SAID, SAID, MARY, SINCE YOU WERE VOLUNTEERED TO KIND OF HELP LEAD THE ORGANIZATION OF SOME ACTIVITIES, WE WOULD LIKE YOUR HELP.
SO WITH THAT, MARY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GIVE SOME BACKGROUND ON WHAT WE DID? YES.
SO, UM, DEANNA, SERGEANT BROWN.
AND I MET PROBABLY A MONTH AGO AND DECIDED THAT WE WERE GOING TO TRY TO TEAM UP WITH THE JT BARBER, UH, HELP ME WITH THE, WHAT IS THAT? THE FACT BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB? YEP.
IT'S THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB OF THE COASTAL PLAIN.
AND, UM, IF, IF WE COULD GET SOME TEAM UP WITH THEM AND HAVE AN EVENT AND THE EVENT WOULD BE IN MAY THERE WAS A BIKE SAFETY WEEK.
IS THAT WHAT THAT WAS? THE, THE WHOLE MONTH.
AND WE WERE GOING TO TEAM UP WITH THEM AND KIND OF GET A CENSUS OF HOW MANY KIDS MAY NEED HELMETS AND DISTRIBUTE THEM AT THAT TIME AND HAVE OTHER SPEAKERS OR, OR SAFETY COURSES.
WE, WE KIND OF ARE BRAINSTORMING ABOUT SOME OF THE EVENTS THAT WE MIGHT HAVE AT THIS RODEO YES.
TO, UM, TO, TO SHOW SAFETY SITUATIONS OR, OR HELP KIDS UNDERSTAND SAFETY.
AND THAT IS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
AND JUST TO, WE HAD IDENTIFIED WITH THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB THAT WE THOUGHT THERE WOULD BE ABOUT 400 KIDS THAT COULD BE IN ATTENDANCE.
THEY WERE GONNA BRING ALL OF THEIR AFTERSCHOOL PROGRAMS, UM, TO THIS EVENT.
AND WE TALKED TO, UH, BETWEEN THEM AND THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT ARE GONNA HELP KIND OF ORGANIZE THE ACTIVITIES.
AND I, IT OCCURRED TO ME, I'M LIKE, I WONDER IF PEOPLE KNOW WHAT A BIKE RODEO IS.
SO I FOUND THIS VIDEO THAT I THOUGHT WE COULD WATCH.
IT'S ONLY A MINUTE, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE YOU, IT'S ALL INTERACTIVE.
YOU'VE GOT POLICE, YOU'VE GOT, UM, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
THEY HAVE OBSTACLE COURSES AND YOU CAN MAKE IT AS BIG AS ENTERTAINMENT AND FOOD, ET CETERA.
BUT IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO WHAT THIS COMMITTEE AND
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OUR OTHER PARTNERS WOULD LIKE TO UNVEIL.AND WE'RE HOPING THAT WE'LL GET A RESPONSE ON THAT HELP MIKE HELMET INITIATIVE.
I THINK IT WAS THE MIDDLE OF MARCH WE COULD GET A RESPONSE.
SO, UM, WE WERE THEN GOING TO START WORKING ON PLANNING AN EVENT OF WHICH WE WOULD LIKE ALL OF YOUR HELP IN HELPING US PULL THIS OFF.
'CAUSE EVEN IF WE DON'T GET THE HELMETS, WE CAN STILL DO THIS.
SO, SO THE GOAL IS THAT THE GOAL IS THAT WE ARE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND DO THE EVENT REGARDLESS IF WE GET THE HELMETS OR NOT.
UM, IT IS SOMETHING THAT THIS COMMITTEE HAS ACTIVELY SAID IS THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT SAFETY.
UM, AND WE FELT THAT THIS WAS A GREAT FIRST STEP IN ONE, GETTING THE COMMUNICATION ABOUT SAFETY TO A YOUNGER GENERATION, YOUNGER DEMOGRAPHICS.
BUT IT'S ALSO, UM, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE THAT THE COMMITTEE IS TRYING TO MAKE STRIDES TOWARDS, UM, IMPLEMENTING SOME OF THE, UM, ITEMS IDENTIFIED IN THE PLAINTIFF.
AND THEN, UH, WE ALSO FOUND OUT THAT, UH, UM, LIEUTENANT BROWN FOUND, UM, SOME MORE BIKE HELMET OVER A PD.
SO WE HAVE, WE, WE HAVE SOME BIKE HELMET, BUT, UH, WE'LL HAVE THAT PLANNING ACTIVITY I THINK IS GONNA START HERE PROBABLY, UM, EARLY OR END OF MARCH, EARLY APRIL.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT A BIKE RODEO IS? NO.
BUT, UH, IS THERE A WAY TO GET THE, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT ON BOARD WITH 16 AND UNDERS, WHO'S GOT BY LAWS SUPPOSED TO HAVE HELMET ROAD? THEY DON'T.
UH, AS FAR AS FOLLOWING THE RULES OF THE ROAD, EVEN ALL CYCLERS SHOULD STOP AT STOP SIGNS AND ALL THAT.
THOSE START GIVING OUT WARNINGS.
NOT NECESSARILY A TICKET TO START WITH, BUT EVEN TAKE THE TIME TO STOP 'EM.
A LOT OF 'EM ROLL RIGHT ON THROUGH.
I MEAN, I'VE DONE IT MYSELF, BUT IT'S A, IT IS A REGULAR THING AND IT DRIVES YOU CRAZY WHEN WE'RE DRIVING IN GROUPS AND THEY PULL UP BESIDE CARS, STOP AT THE LIGHT AND PART OF THE GROUP WILL PULL UP BESIDE 'EM.
WELL, IF THE CAR'S TURNING RIGHT, NOTHING WRONG.
I MEAN, IT NEEDS TO BE, POLICE NEED TO WATCH THIS STUFF AND WE'RE GONNA DO IT.
I'VE PREACHED IT FOR SINCE SEVEN SEVEN
WE DID TALK TO OFFICER BROWN, UM, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE RODEO, ABOUT HOW THEY ENFORCE IT.
AND, AND HE DID SAY THAT THEY DO PULL PEOPLE OVER IF THEY NOTICE SOMETHING.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S, WELL, THEY'RE RIDING THE WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD HEADING INTO TRAFFIC.
BUT, BUT HE SAYS, NO, IT'S NOT REALLY A BIG THING THAT THEY DO.
WELL, I KNOW THE THINGS TO DO.
NO, BUT THAT DOESN'T, THAT DOESN'T, BUT YOU SEE AROUND DOWN THE ROAD WITH NOTHING TO DO.
BUT NO, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I, I MYSELF WOULD LIKE TO WORK ON IS MAKING SURE THAT THE POLICE DO KNOW THE, THE RULES OF THE ROAD BECAUSE THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE THE PROPER TRAINING ON THAT.
AND WE ARE WORKING ON THAT SAFETY CAMPAIGN THAT WE TALKED ABOUT A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, UM, WHERE WE ARE PUTTING THINGS ON THEIR WEBSITE.
AND SO WE ARE WORKING ON THAT AS A FIRST STEP, UM, TO HELP ADVANCE SOME EDUCATION TO THE PUBLIC.
SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS TO UNVEIL.
YOU KNOW, SO IT MIGHT NOT BE TOMORROW THAT YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO SEE THE CHANGE IN THE 16 YEAR OLDS, BUT IN 10 YEARS THAT GENERATION, WELL, THERE'S ADDED BENEFIT OF THEIR LEARNING YOUNG, THAT THE POLICE ARE NOT THE ENEMY.
THESE EVENTS THAT YOU GUYS ARE PLANNING, HOW DOES ONE FIND OUT ABOUT IT? ARE YOU POSTING ON FACEBOOK ON THE CITY OF NEWBORN'S WEBSITE OR PROBABLY BOTH.
YOU GUYS ARE, YOU'RE PRIVY BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T, EVERYONE'S JUST FINDING OUT ABOUT THIS AT THE MOMENT, SO YEAH.
BUT ONCE WE HAVE THE DATE SET, IT'LL BE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, UM, AND THE N P'S WEBSITE AND OKAY.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW NPO HAD A SITE.
AND I'LL GET WITH YOU AFTER THE MEETING INFORMATION AND I PUT YOU DOWN AS A VOLUNTEER.
[6. Comprehensive Safety Action Plan Update]
THE COMPREHENSIVE ACTION SAFETY ACTION PLAN.UM, AND WE DID TALK ABOUT THIS LAST MEETING.
THIS WAS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE SAFE STREETS FOR ALL THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE ACTION PLAN IN ORDER TO APPLY FOR ANY OF THE IMPLEMENTATION GRANTS.
UM, AND AGAIN, IT'S AIDED IN IDENTIFYING SPECIFIC WAYS TO IMPROVE ROADWAY SAFETY.
UM, AND YOU'RE, YOU ARE WORKING TOWARDS ELIMINATING YOUR SERIOUS INJURIES.
SO AFTER THE MEETING, UM, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH, UM, N-C-D-O-T STATE, UM, TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, UM, UH, NEWS BOULEVARD AND APPLYING FOR RAISE GRANT.
UM, LONG STORY SHORT, THE PROJECT THAT ONE, THE
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ONE PROJECT WE HAVE IS TOO BIG FOR THAT CAP ON THAT FEDERAL MONEY, BUT, UM, AS THE NPO IS GETTING READY TO UPDATE OUR LONG RANGE PLAN, AND HE WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW THE COMPREHENSIVE SAFETY PLAN FEEDS INTO AND IDENTIFIES PROJECTS THAT WOULD FEED INTO WHAT THE NPO DOES.AND I SAID, OH, WELL, GREAT, WELL HOW ABOUT, UM, CAN YOU FUND THAT FOR THE NPO? AND HE SAID, YES.
SO THE NPO WITHIN DOT OR FUNDING THAT COMPREHENSIVE SAFETY ACTION PLAN, THAT'S GOING TO BE CONCURRENT WHEN THE MTP IS UPDATED OUR LONG RANGE PLAN.
SO THEY'RE GONNA GO HAND IN HAND.
SO THAT'S AN ADDED BENEFIT FOR, UM, ALL OF THE MEMBER AGENCIES WITHIN THE NPO, BUT SPECIFICALLY TO NEW BERN THAT ALLOWS, UM, THE CITY OF NEW BERN TO APPLY FOR FUTURE GRANTS BECAUSE THIS COMPREHENSIVE SAFETY PLAN IS GOING TO IDENTIFY, UM, HOTSPOTS.
IT'S GONNA IDENTIFY AREAS OF IMPROVEMENTS.
SO THINGS SUCH AS MAYBE CROSSWALKS, PUSH BUTTONS, UM, SIDEWALKS OR, UM, SOME TYPE OF OTHER TREATMENT.
AND THEN IT'LL ALSO ALLOW DOT TO HAVE A PLAN THAT AS THEY HAVE MORE SAFETY MONEY AVAILABLE, THAT WE CAN GO BACK TO THE SAFETY PLAN AND SAID, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO FIX.
AND DO YOU HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT? SO IT'S A WIN-WIN.
UM, AGAIN, IT DOESN'T COST THE CITY OF NEW ANY, ANY FUNDS.
IT DOESN'T COST THE NM PO ANY FUNDS.
AND IF WE GET AN ADDED BENEFIT OUT OF IT WITH A NEW PLAN, WELL, THANK YOU.
SO I WAS VERY EXCITED TO HAVE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THAT.
AND THEN I ALSO WANTED, UM, TO POINT OUT THAT, UM, IN THAT SAME CONVERSATION OF TALKING ABOUT NEWS BOULEVARD, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED IN THIS COMMITTEE ABOUT HOW DANGEROUS IT IS FROM A PEDESTRIAN USER, AND I DID MENTION THAT DOT'S WORKING ON A VULNERABLE USER STUDY WHERE THEY'RE IDENTIFYING, UM, AREAS OF IMPROVEMENT, ET CETERA.
UM, SO WE ARE GONNA BE WORKING WITH NC DOT, AND THEY ARE GOING TO HELP US APPLY FOR THE GRANT AND PAY FOR THE LOCAL MATCH TO IMPLEMENT ITEMS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF THAT VULNERABLE USER STUDY.
SO THAT GRANT, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, IS NOT COME, IT'S NOT DUE UNTIL FEBRUARY OF NEXT YEAR.
WE'VE GOT THREE DIFFERENT AREAS THAT DO T'S WORKING ON, SPECIFICALLY TWO FOR NEWS BOULEVARD, AND ONE IS THE COMPREHENSIVE SAFETY PLAN.
SO, UM, MORE INFORMATION TO COME AS WE START GETTING INTO SOME OF THOSE DETAILS.
BUT I THINK THAT'S A BIG WIN FOR, FOR THE CITY OF NEWBURN.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THE COMPREHENSIVE SAFETY ACTION PLAN? ALRIGHT, SO DURING THE LAST MEETING,
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WE, UM, THE QUESTION WAS ASKED, HOW MUCH DOES IT COST FOR A MILE OF SIDEWALK? SO, UM, THIS IS SOME GUIDANCE, UM, ESTIMATING TOOL THAT N-C-D-O-T HAS.ANYTIME YOU GIVE A NUMBER OUT THERE, THERE'S LOTS OF ASSUMPTIONS.
UH, AND SO THESE ARE THE BIG ASSUMPTIONS.
SO IN THIS CASE, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT A SIDEWALK THAT IT'S SIX FEET IN WIDTH, FOUR INCHES IN DEPTH.
IT DOES INCLUDE A 30% CONTINGENCY.
AND DOT HAS SOME OVERSIGHT COSTS.
THIS IS NO INTERSECTIONS, NO DRAG RATES ARE IMPACTED.
THIS IS, IF I HAD RAW, RAW LAND AND I JUST WANTED TO PUT IN SIDEWALK, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT THE AVERAGE COST IS $500,000.
AND THEN WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE 75%, HOW THEY, THEY GROUP PROJECTS, UM, LIKE HISTORIC PROJECTS.
SO 75% OF THE PROJECTS THAT THEY HAVE HISTORICAL, UM, COST ESTIMATING ON 75% OF THEM ARE 479,000.
BUT THEN YOU ALWAYS HAVE THAT ONE OFF THAT MAYBE HAD THAT BIG, UM, DISTANCE, OR MAYBE IT WAS A SMALL, A VERY SMALL PIECE OF SIDEWALK AND IT WAS REALLY HIGH COST.
AND THAT'S WHERE THAT 3.2 MILLION CAME FROM.
SOMETIMES IT SEEMS TO ME THAT YOU DON'T NEED CONCRETE IF YOU JUST LAY DOWN GRAVEL AND IT'S LEVEL ALREADY AND YOU HAVE THE, UM, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT OF RIGHT OF WAY.
UH, EVEN IF YOU JUST LAY DOWN GRAVEL, YOU COULD PROBABLY PUT 10 MILES OF GRAVEL FOR ONE MILE OF CONCRETE.
AND HAS ANYBODY DONE ANY? SO TYPICALLY WITH SIDEWALKS THERE, WE USE CONCRETE.
UM, WE, THERE ARE ALTERNATIVE METH, UM, METHODS FOR CONSTRUCTION FOR A GREENWAY WHERE YOU CAN DO, UM, THE UNPAID, WHERE YOU CAN DO GRAVEL OR NATURAL SERVICE.
BUT TYPICALLY SIDEWALKS ARE CONCRETE.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, BECAUSE THIS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A, YOU HAVE TO PUT A YEAR END FOR INFLATION, AND I JUST CHOSE 2025.
SO OBVIOUSLY THESE COSTS, AND, AND I WOULD CAVEAT, THIS IS JUST A BALLPARK JUST TO GET AT THE CONVERSATION STARTED.
YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M DOING THE ENGINEERING HAT RIGHT WHERE YOU JUST, SO GEORGE DOES LET ME, BUT HE KNOWS, RIGHT?
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THE NUMBER COULD BE THE ONE ON THE LEFT AND THE ONE PROJECTS.AND THEN LIKEWISE, UM, TO, UM, TALKING ABOUT THE SHARED USE PATH PER MILE, UM, SAME THING.
THIS IS A SHARED USE PATH IS TYPICALLY 10, 10 FEET IN WIDTH AND YOU HAVE TWO FEET ON EITHER SIDE.
IT DOES INCLUDE THAT CONTINGENCY AND OVERSIGHT COST FROM DOT.
AGAIN, THIS IS JUST STRAIGHT ASPHALT.
UM, THERE'S NO PAVEMENT MARKINGS.
AND YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT THE COST IS A LITTLE BIT LESS BECAUSE THIS IS TYPICALLY MORE NOT WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIKE IN A PARK MAKING THAT CONNECTION.
SO, BUT YOU CAN SEE, I THINK THE BIGGEST TAKEAWAY IS THE COSTS ARE PRETTY SIMILAR JUST ON THE, ON THE BARE BONES.
BUT I WANTED TO SHOW THIS ONE 'CAUSE YOU GUYS ASKED FOR IT.
BUT TWO, THIS WAS THE BASIS I USED THE SAME COST MODEL WHEN, UM, I ASKED FOR PROJECTS, PRIORITY PROJECTS, AND I DID RECEIVE THREE FROM MS. MARY.
AND SO THOSE ARE THE THREE THAT I HAVE, UM, IDENTIFIED FOR US TO DISCUSS THIS EVENING.
SO THE FIRST ONE, UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THESE ARE ANY PRIORITIES, BUT THIS WAS, UM, ONE OF THE ONES THAT SHE IDENTIFIED WAS THE RACETRACK ROAD SIDEWALK.
SO THIS IS IN THE VIKING HEAD PLAN.
UM, AND IT IS TO CONSTRUCT A SIDEWALK OR SIDE PATH THERE.
IT WAS NOTATED THAT WE HAVE SOME CON UM, UH, CONSTRAINTS DUE TO THE DRAINAGE DITCHES.
BUT OBVIOUSLY IF WE WERE GOING TO ADD THE SIDEWALKS OR THE SIDE PATH, IT WOULD BE EVEN MORE COST.
'CAUSE WE HAVE TO MITIGATE THAT.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT ROUGHLY 3,100 LINEAR FEET OF SIX FEET SIDEWALK.
AND YOU CAN SEE HERE THE AVERAGE COST IS $610,000.
SO PROBABLY NOT THE MOST FEASIBLE.
BUT IN SPEAKING WITH GEORGE, GEORGE HAS SOME GOOD NEWS TO SHARE.
WE ACTUALLY STARTED CONSTRUCTION TODAY ON THE RACETRACK ROAD IMPROVEMENT.
SO FOR A SECTION FROM ELIZABETH NORTH TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS, WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA BE WIDENING THE ROAD.
SO THERE'LL BE ADDITIONAL PAGE SHOULDER.
WE DON'T QUITE HAVE THE WIDTH TO FULLY HAUL A BICYCLE LANE, BUT WE WIDENED IT TO THE EXTENT OF THAT WITHOUT HAVING TO RELOCATE DITCHES OR PIPE DITCHES FOR THAT WHOLE RUN, WHICH, UM, AS YOU SAW IN THE COST COURT PRIOR TO TRY TO WORK IT INTO A PROJECT.
SO WE'LL DO THAT THERE AND THEN LOOK AT THE TRACKS WILL BE RESURFACED FROM THE TRACKS TO THROUGH BOULEVARD.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE THAT DONE IN THE NEXT FOUR TO SIX WEEKS.
SO WHAT WAS RE UH, MAKING NOT BE ABLE TO BE WIDENED AFTER THEIR EXISTING ROADSIDE DITCHES AND THE RIGHT OF WAY ISSUES, UM, RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION ISSUES.
SO THE MOST FEASIBLE AND COSTLY WAY TO DO IT, TO ACHIEVE A WIDER SHOULDER, UM, IS TO WIDEN THE ROAD.
SO THE WIDENING FROM ELIZABETH TO THE RACE, UH, TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
AS OF RIGHT NOW, IT'S NOT THE SIDEWALK PLAN, IT'S JUST A WIDENING AND POSSIBLY BE, THERE'LL BE A WIDENED PAGE SHOULDER.
WE WILL HAVE A FOG LANE ON IT.
YOU'LL HAVE A CENTER, CENTER LANE DEMARCATION AND A FOG LANE FROM THE DRIVE WIDTH AND THEN A LARGER PAVED SHOULDER.
AND THAT THE FOUR FEET PAVED SHOULDER YEAH.
THAT, THAT GEORGE IS MENTIONING.
THAT'S WHAT DOT PUTS ON IN THE COUNTY.
'CAUSE THE COUNTY DOESN'T MAINTAIN SIDEWALKS OR TRAILS.
THAT'S WHAT WE DO IN THE COUNTY TO ALLOW FOR A CYCLIST.
SO YOU'LL HAVE THE, THAT'S ALL I NEED.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE CROSS SECTION WHERE YOU'VE GOT THE FOUR FEET ON BOTH SIDES, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE TWO 10 AND 10 FOOT LANES.
AND, AND GEORGE, THIS IS 1.4 MILLION.
IT WAS, UH, RIGHT OVER A MILLION DOLLARS.
NOW THAT DOES INCLUDE RESURFACING AND IT DOESN'T JUST INCLUDE THE SHOULDER, BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU YEAH, YEAH.
I MEAN THAT'S, UH, HOW FAR, HOW LONG IS THAT? I DON'T HAVE THE LINEAR FOR EXACTLY QUARTER MILE, HALF MILE, UM, APPROXIMATELY IT PROBABLY ABOUT A HALF MILE.
NOW IS THIS SPECIFICALLY DONE BECAUSE YOU HAD TO REDO THAT CULVERT OR SOMETHING? NO, THE CULVERT WAS ACTUALLY A BONUS THAT WE HAD WAS IDENTIFIED IN A PRIOR DRAINAGE STUDY.
SO THE CULVERT, WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE A SINGLE CULVERT TO A DOUBLE WHERE WE'RE HAVING DRAINAGE ISSUES AT THE SAME TIME WE'RE RESURFACING THE ROAD.
UM, SO, SO WE ENDED UP WITH A BETTER TOTAL PROJECT.
WE'LL ALSO BE ADDRESSING, IF YOU'VE RIDDEN THAT SECTION OF ROADWAY, UM, THERE'S SOME FAILED ASPHALT IN FRONT OF THE CONCRETE PLANT, AND THAT'S DUE TO THE HEAVY TRUCKS OUT THERE.
SO THAT WHOLE SECTION ABOUT A 200 FOOT SECTION THERE IN FRONT OF THE CONCRETE PLANT IS GONNA GET A MUCH THICKER LIFT OF, OF ASPHALT PROFILE.
IS THAT PART OF YOUR, UM, RENOVATION ROAD, UH, MAINTENANCE, UH, PLAN AS TO WHENEVER YOU DO, UM, UH, RENOVATION TO CONSIDER WIDENING, UH, BICYCLE TR UM, PEDESTRIAN,
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UH, WHERE IT, WHERE IT STEVENSVILLE? YES.IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THE AIRPORT ROAD, UH, IT'S, UH, FOUR YEARS AGO WE, WE DID VERY, SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR IN, IN ROAD LIFE.
AND, AND TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA WHERE THIS MONEY CAME FROM WAS THE, UH, AMERICA RECOVERY PLAN ACT FUNDS.
UH, AND FOR WARD FOUR, THIS ALDER MCKINSEY, UH, DECIDED TO USE HIS FUNDS FOR THIS.
SO IT WASN'T A GRANT, IT WASN'T REALLY, UH, SOMETHING THAT CAME OUT OF THE CITY'S BUDGET.
IT'S, UH, FUNDS THAT CAME FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
WHAT WAS THE TIMELINE AGAIN? WHEN IS THIS SET TO BE COMPLETED? WE WE'RE HOPING IT'LL BE COMPLETED IN SIX WEEKS.
TODAY'S WEATHER DID NOT A SIX KICKOFF DAY, BUT THEY PROCEEDED WITH THE CULVERT WORK.
SO MARY, THIS PROJECT, WE LOOK AT THAT
AND SO AS WE TALK ABOUT THE NEXT TWO PROJECTS, I JUST WANTED TO REMIND EVERYONE WHAT A NEIGHBORHOOD GREENWAY IS.
UM, AND SO THE GREENWAY NEIGHBORHOOD GREENWAY IS REALLY, YOU'RE JUST PUTTING THE SHARE ROW, WHICH IS THE BIKE SYMBOL WITH THE TWO YIELD SIGNS.
AND THAT'S JUST TELLING THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THE BICYCLE AND THE CAR CAN SHARE THE ROAD IN THE SAME LANE.
SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF A REMINDER.
OTHER THAN THAT, THERE'S REALLY NO, UM, DEMARCATIONS AND YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME SIGNS.
SO THE SECOND PROJECT IS ELIZABETH AVENUE BUCKSKIN DRIVE NEIGHBORHOOD GREENWAY.
AND THAT IS TO CONNECT ELIZABETH AVENUE TO, UM, SOME, THE, UM, TWO DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE OCCURRING AT THE END OF ELIZABETH AND THAT THAT'S THE ATHENS ACRES PHASE ONE AND THE WEST NEWBURN PHASE TWO A.
SO THE IDEA IS THAT, UH, THERE'S ALREADY EXISTING, UM, SIDEWALKS ON ELIZABETH AVENUE, BUT THEN WE COULD COMBINE THIS, THE NEW DEVELOPMENT WITH ELIZABETH AVENUE AND, UM, BY PUTTING IN THE, THE SHARE ROWS AND THAT SHARE ROW ACCORDING TO M-U-T-C-D IS THAT THEY HAVE TO BE PUT IN, UM, NO, NO GREATER THAN 250 FEET APART FROM ONE ANOTHER.
SO IF WE WANTED TO JUST PUT MARKINGS TO SHOW THAT THERE'S A, THAT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD GREENWAY, UM, THE AVERAGE COST ROUGHLY IS $31,000, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE MAXIMUM OF 150,000.
BUT ALL THIS IS, IS JUST PAVEMENT MARKINGS TO IDENTIFY THAT THERE'S A CONNECTIVITY AND TO BRING AWARENESS THAT YOU'RE SHARING THE ROAD WITH A CAR.
SO LET ME JUST GET REACQUAINTED WITH WHAT I WANTED.
SEE, I WANNA TRY TO GET OFF THE SIDEWALKS BECAUSE A LOT OF, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO RIDE BICYCLISTS, HAVE TO RIDE ON SIDEWALKS AROUND NEW BERN BECAUSE IT'S JUST TOO DANGEROUS.
AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING TO OFFICER BROWN ABOUT.
UM, SO THERE'S EXISTING SIDEWALKS ON ELIZABETH AVENUE AND IS THIS PROPOSING TO HAVE MARKINGS FOR SHARED, CAN YOU? YES.
SO THE SHARE ROAD, WHICH ARE THOSE SYMBOLS RIGHT THERE.
SEE HOW THEY'RE JUST MARKED ON THE ASPHALT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LANE? THAT'S WHAT THIS PROJECT WOULD ADD.
THOSE MARKINGS EVERY 250 FEET FROM, UM, ELIZABETH AVENUE IN GLEN BURNIE ALL THE WAY TO THE NEW DEVELOPMENT OFF THAT, UM, GOES TO 43.
AND IS THAT WHAT WAS INITIATED ALL AT ALL AT ALL TIMES? I MEAN, THAT WAS NOTHING MORE THAT WAS GOING TO BE OFFERED IN THIS PLAN FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD GREENWAY FOR NO, THIS SPECIFIC, 'CAUSE I GOT IT OFF THIS PAGE 70.
UM, AND IT'S BECAUSE THAT IS AN AREA WHERE I LIKE TO BIKE TO GET DOWN THERE.
SO MARY, CAN YOU, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT NUMBER YOU HAVE ON THE TOP? 56.
DIDN'T I GET THAT OFF PAGE 70? YES.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND IT AGAIN.
SO THAT, SO THE RED IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD GREEN.
AND THEN ON, ON YOUR PAGE 56, AND THEN NUMBER SEVEN, IS THAT ADDITIONAL, UM, SHARED USE PATH OR SHARE ROAD.
SO THERE'S REALLY NO INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT.
IT, IT'S JUST A RE-DESIGNATION, CORRECT? YES.
IT, IT IS JUST BRINGING AWARENESS A NEIGHBORHOOD GREENWAY IS, IT'S MEANT TO BE 25 MILES AN HOUR OR LESS.
AND IT'S JUST TO BRING AWARENESS THAT YOU ARE SHARING THE ROAD WITH A BICYCLE.
THAT'S A REALLY GOOD THING TO HAVE THE, THE SHARE ON.
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SO MARY, WAS THAT YOUR THOUGHT OR DID YOU HAVE, DID YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT IDEA? UM, NO, NO, THAT'S, I, I WASN'T AWARE OF, I GUESS FOR SOME REASON I WASN'T AWARE OF WHAT THE RED AND WHITE STRIPED WAS.AND THAT'S KIND OF ODD THAT I WASN'T AWARE OF THAT, BUT NO, THAT'S FINE.
ANY OTHERS? I NOW UNDERSTAND ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS PROJECT.
WHAT'S IT GONNA TAKE TO GET A, A PROPER BIKE LANE IN SO OUR POPULATION CAN SEE WHAT ONE LOOKS LIKE AND SAY GOD? 'CAUSE IF WE GET, IF WE GET PEOPLE ON BOARD TO WHAT ONE IS AND THAT WE HAVE ONE, I THINK IT'LL GO A LONG WAYS.
SO WE DO HAVE BIKE LANES ALREADY.
AND ARE YOU, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN NEWBURN OR? YEAH, BUT I MEAN, ONE THAT'S, THAT'S SEPARATED WHERE PEOPLE WILL FEEL, OH, COMFORTABLE WITH THEIR CHILDREN RIDING ON 'EM.
THE ONLY ONE I CAN THINK OF IS BROAD STREET.
SO I HAVEN'T TALKED TO MY THC AND TCC BOARD ON THE MBO SIDE.
ONE OF THE IDEAS THAT I HAVE, AND THIS IS JUST DEANNA'S IDEA, UM, WAS LOOKING AT, UM, MLK FROM 70 COMING INTO TOWN AND CONVERTING THAT INTO, UM, A SEPARATED TRAIL.
SO TAKE YOUR EXISTING LANE, MAYBE TAKE UP SOME ASPHALT, DO A ROAD DIET, AND YOU HAVE A TRAIL ON BOTH SIDES.
HAVEN'T DONE ANY SET ANALYSIS, NOTHING.
THIS IS JUST AN IDEA THAT I HAD THAT I WAS GOING TO INCORPORATE INTO OUR LONG RANGE PLAN SO THAT WE COULD HAVE BEEN AT LEAST MAYBE GET SOME MONEY TO DO AN ANALYSIS IN THE FUTURE.
BUT THAT WOULD BE YOUR ANSWER TO LOOK AT JUST AS AN IDEA OF WHAT WE COULD DO.
YEAH, AND I GUESS THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE ARE ASKING YOU GUYS TO DO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE ASK FOR PROJECTS OR PRIORITIZATION IS, YOU KNOW, HEY, IF WE WANT TO HAVE ONE BIKE LANE THROUGH TOWN TO SHOW PEOPLE WHAT IT IS, YOU KNOW, LET'S PICK ONE AND FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH IT'S GONNA COST AND THEN FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THE MONEY THAT, I MEAN, AS YOU'VE SEEN, AS YOU GO THROUGH THIS BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN PLAN, IT'S PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE.
AND THAT WAS THE WHOLE IDEA BEHIND PUTTING THIS COMMITTEE TOGETHER, WAS TO TRY AND HELP THE CITY PRIORITIZE, FIGURE OUT WHICH PROJECTS WE GO FOR FIRST SO THAT WE'RE NOT JUST, UH, NOT THAT THE CITY WOULD DO THIS, BUT, YOU KNOW, THROW THE MONEY AT A PROBLEM AND HOPE THAT IT FIXES IT.
BUT BASICALLY HELP THE HELP FROM YOU GUYS TO ESTABLISH A PRIORITY LIST OF HERE'S WHAT WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH AND LET'S START DOING THAT AND FIGURING OUT HOW TO, UH, AND SO THAT'S WHERE IT, WE WE'RE NOT WASTING A LOT OF STAFF TIME LOOKING AT THE ENTIRE PLAN.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE TOP FIVE PROJECTS.
STAFF CAN THEN GO AND FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH ROUGH ORDER MAGNITUDE'S GONNA COST, AND THEN WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO TARGET THE MONEY TO DO THAT.
AND SO THAT'S, I I, I MEAN, HONESTLY, THAT'S OUR NEXT STEPS OF THIS COMMITTEE IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS OUR NEXT STEP.
AND THAT THAT'S WHAT I ENVISION.
I MEAN, I'M HOPING THAT YOU GUYS BUY INTO THAT VISION THAT THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
UM, IF YOU GUYS HAVE OTHER PROJECTS THAT YOU THINK WE OUGHT TO PRIORITIZE, THEN, THEN LET'S BRING 'EM UP AND LET'S HASH 'EM OUT AND DO A, A ONE TO 10 OF HERE'S WHAT WE WANT, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN BIKE LANES, BETWEEN SIDEWALKS.
I MEAN, ONE OF THE THINGS ON HERE THAT, OH, UH, TALK TO GEORGE ABOUT.
'CAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE A PLAN TO CONNECT ALL THESE SIDEWALKS, ALL THESE SIDEWALKS TO NOWHERE, YOU KNOW, CONNECTING THEM.
UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS.
AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, THE LAST THING IS THAT WE TALKED BRIEFLY ABOUT FRIENDS OF THE TRAIL, YOU KNOW, AND FUNDRAISING AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT THAT'S A 5 0 1 C3 THAT WE'VE GOTTA GO OUT AND RECRUIT SOMEBODY AND RECRUIT A, A COMMITTEE AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO BYLAWS AND ALL OF THAT IN ORDER TO FEED THAT MONEY BACK INTO THAT AND THEN INTO THIS PRIORITIZATION.
BUT THAT'S A METHOD OF HOW TO FUND.
BUT WALKING IT BACK, WE'VE GOTTA FIGURE OUT OUR PRIORITIES AND SPECIFIC, UH, WHICH IS
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WHAT WE'RE DOING, THE SPECIFIC PROJECTS.AND SO, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING.
MM-HMM,
WE CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE INFORMATION, BUT WE NEED A LIST TO PICK FROM.
RIGHT? SO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THESE THREE ITEMS, WHICH I GAVE TO HER TO START THIS LIST.
WE, WE NEED YOU GUYS TO, TO CHIME IN ABOUT WHAT AREAS ARE IMPORTANT TO YOU.
AND IF WE HAVE AS A GROUP, IF WE DECIDE IF WE ALL HAD ONE THAT WAS A PRIORITY, THEN OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST ONE WE WANNA WORK ON.
BUT YOU, YOU HAVE TO TELL US WHAT YOU WANT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE THREE IS BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE.
UM, BUT NOW THAT I'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS MORE, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT NOW THAT I UNDERSTAND THIS ANYMORE, I DON'T, I WANT TO, I WANT IT BETTER THAN THAT, THAN WHAT'S PROPOSED.
SO I DON'T EVEN WANT TO DO THIS.
AND I'M, I UNDERSTAND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE THOSE MARKINGS.
THIS GENTLEMAN SAID THAT'S VERY, AND I'M NOT OPPOSED TO HAVING THE MARKINGS, I JUST WANT IT TO BE BETTER THAN THAT.
SO I DON'T THINK I WANT THIS ONE ON THE BOARD YET.
BECAUSE BETTER BETTER THAN THAT WOULD BE A LOT MORE RIGHT.
AND THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO DOING THIS IF THIS IS THE ONLY THING I CAN GET.
BUT I WANT TO, I WANT TO RIDE THIS THROUGH AGAIN AND I WANT TO SEE EXACTLY WHERE I FEEL UNSAFE.
YOU SAID AFTER I, AFTER WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS, YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT WE NEED THE CHILDREN TO FEEL LIKE THEY CAN ACTUALLY RIDE ON THE ROAD.
I THINK SO ONE OF YOU GUYS SAID THAT, AND I WAS LIKE, YEAH.
SO WHY AM I NOT WANTING TO RIDE ON THIS ROAD? IF YOU GAVE ME A MARKER ON THE ROAD, IS THAT GONNA MAKE ME FEEL SAFER? PROBABLY NOT.
BECAUSE THERE'S ANOTHER REASON WHY I DON'T FEEL SAFE ON THIS STRIP, AND I WANT, I WANT TO GO THROUGH THAT MOTION AGAIN AND, AND BE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT WHERE IT IS OR WHAT IT IS.
SO SAFETY COULD BE ONE OF THE METRICS, BUT YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE SPEND THE ENTIRE BUDGET ON ONE TWO MILE STRIP, IS THAT BETTER THAN, YOU KNOW, DOING SEVEN DIFFERENT PROJECTS, COVERING 25 MILES? YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT THE ANALYSIS THAT THE METRICS BASED ANALYSIS, EXCEPT THAT'S THE BANK FOR BUCK ISSUE, WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT BE MORE IMPORTANT THAN JUST PURE SAFETY.
IT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, REALLY BULK THE SLEEVES AND, AND SAY, OKAY, BASED ON THESE CRITERIA THAT WE DETERMINE WERE UNIMPORTANT, THIS IS THE ORDER, YOU KNOW? AND THEN IF WE DISAGREE WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT BEHOLDEN TO IT, BUT IT'S JUST A TOOL TO HELP US DECIDE.
BUT AFTER THIS MEETING, THESE ARE THE ONLY TWO, NOW THERE'S ONLY TWO LEFT THAT WE'RE GONNA WORK ON.
SO UNLESS SOMEONE ELSE WORKS, SOME OTHER AREAS, THESE ARE THE TWO.
SO THAT'S, I MEAN, ARE WE CLOSED NOW? NO, NO, NO.
MIKE LANES THEMSELVES ARE NOT THAT SAFE BY PATHS SEPARATED FROM THE ROAD, THEY'RE SAFE.
SO, SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, MULTIPURPOSE TRAILS SEPARATED FROM, RIGHT.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT PATH, GET GOT RAILROAD TRACKS.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WANNA SEE CROSS THERE.
WHERE ARBY'S IS NOW SITTING ON THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
THERE'S ONE SECTION LEFT THAT'S COMING OFF TRENT ROAD GOING STRAIGHT DOWN.
YOU CAN SEE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO QUEEN STREET.
BUT THEN THEY TOOK IT AND PUT DOWN TRENT, TRENT BOULEVARD.
THEY MADE THAT INSTEAD, WHICH IS FINE.
THEY JUST CARRIED ON DOWN TO TOWN.
WE NEED SOME WAY, AND I'VE SAID IT BEFORE, TO GET DOWN TRENT ROAD ALL THE WAY DOWNTOWN RIGHT NOW, PEOPLE ARE SAID THERE'S NO WAY TO RIDE IN THE TOWN TO SAFE.
AND THAT'S WHAT I, I HEAR SAY THEY STOPPED RIGHT THERE AT QUEEN STREET.
WHY DON'T THEY CARRY ON? THERE'S NO, NOBODY NEEDS TO PARK ON, ON, UH, P*****K STREET.
THEY COULD PUT THAT ONE LANE ON ONE SIDE AND GO ALL THE WAY DOWN LEAST TO THE TRAIN PALLET.
AS FAR AS TRENT ROAD ITSELF, THEY, I THOUGHT THEY WERE GONNA PUT, UM, BIKE LANES IN ON EACH SIDE OR ONE SIDE ONE TIME AND THEN, AND JUST WIDEN IT IN AND OUT, IN AND OUT THREE LANES.
SO EVERYBODY STAYS OFF THAT ROAD TOO.
BUT YOU GOT WHERE TO GET INTO TOWN.
I'D LIKE TO SEE RIVER BEING TIED INTO IT.
BUT COMING IN FROM THE OTHER SIDE.
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A GOOD ONE.THE, THE MPO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TY RIVER BEND.
THAT'S MY NEXT ONE THAT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW HERE.
SO WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE RIVER BEND CONNECTION, UM, ON THE LOST CREEK.
THIS IS THE THIRD, UM, PROJECT THAT MARY SUBMITTED.
AND THIS IS THE SAME THING, IT'S JUST THE NEIGHBORHOOD GREENWOOD WITH THE SHE ROSES.
SO IT IS JUST PUTTING, UM, ABOUT 20 SHARES.
I DON'T THINK THE COST IS 31,000, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE ESTIMATOR SAID.
BUT, UM, I'M JUST GONNA MOVE THAT OUT THERE AS A THOUGHT.
SO TO, TO STEP BACK A A LITTLE BIT.
SO, SO MAC, YOU'RE PROPOSING PUTTING TR ROAD SLASH TR BOULEVARD SLASH OCK STREET AS A PROJECT ON, RIGHT? SO, OKAY.
SO I DIDN'T, I I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DIDN'T MISS THAT.
UM, AND WE CAN, AND, AND DEANNA IN A GREAT, UH, N-C-D-O-T FUNCTION, WE CAN MAKE THOSE THREE DIFFERENT PROJECTS.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT CAN DO WITH THE DOWNTOWN NEWBURN BRIDGE AS WELL? UM, LIKE PUT SHARES ON THE BRIDGE OR MAKE IT A LITTLE SAFER? THE DRAW BRIDGE? YES.
YEAH, THAT'S A LITTLE DANGEROUS.
I WAS TOLD THAT THEY COULDN'T MAKE THE BRIDGE ANY WIDER 'CAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE RETAINING PONDS FOR THE DRAINAGE OFF OF IT.
SO THEY WOULD, IT GOT LIMITED TO JUST ONE SIDE OF A WALKWAY, I GUESS.
THE WASH GEORGE, I CAN INQUIRE ABOUT, UNLESS YOU KNOW GEORGE, THE ANSWER TO THE SHERIFF ON THE BRIDGE, I DO NOT HAVE AN ANSWER, BUT I ACTUALLY HAVE A MEETING WITH DOT TOMORROW MORNING, SO I'LL ASK THAT QUESTION.
UM, SO IN THE NPO WORLD, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THERE'S SOME FUNDING AVAILABLE.
UM, IT'S CALLED CARBON REDUCTION FUNDING.
THIS FUNDING IS AVAILABLE FOR, UM, OUR COMMUNITIES WITHIN THE AREA.
SO, UM, TREND WOODS RIVER BEND, UM, BRIDGETON, NEW BERN, AND PARTS OF
UM, THIS WAS A PROJECT, UH, CONNECTING, UH, NEW BERN AND TRENT WOODS AND, UM, HAVING, UH, ON LONG COUNTRY CLUB ROAD.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 2000 LINEAR FEED OF FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK.
UM, AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS AS A POSSIBLE PROJECT, AND OF COURSE WE ALL LIKED IT, BUT THEN IT BECAME WHERE'S THE LOCAL MATCH COMING FROM? UM, SO I WAS TALKING WITH DOT AND, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO FUND THE 20% FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
I'VE HAD A, HE MENTIONED THAT HE COULD FUND IT, BUT I HAVE TO HAVE MORE CONVERSATION.
SO, UM, GEORGE AND I ARE WORKING TOGETHER TO KIND OF GET MORE SPECIFICS AND THEN I'LL APPROACH DOT TO SEE IF THEY CAN, ARE WILLING TO FUND THAT 20% MATCH.
SO IT'D BE 80% FEDERAL, 20%, UM, DOT AGAIN, SO, YOU KNOW, USING THE ANALYSIS, UH, AGAIN, IF ONE OF THE CRITERIA IS HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN GET TO TOWN BY THIS PROJECT, I THINK THIS WOULD RATE VERY HIGH.
AND, AND TOWARDS, JUST FOR EXPECTATION MANAGEMENT, WE'RE EXPECTING THIS TO BE CLOSER TO THE MAXIMUM COST.
THIS WILL BE A MORE COST COSTLY SECTION.
UM, WE'VE GOT A SMALL SECTION FROM NEWSOM TO, UH, TRIM TO TOWN WOODS THAT, UM, STILL WE HAVE A PIPE DRAINAGE LATERAL THAT WE CAN GO ACROSS.
BUT FROM THERE TO VILLAGE WAY ON DOWN, YOU'VE GOT SOME SIGNIFICANT ROADSIDE HITCHES THAT, AGAIN, THE DRAINAGE WILL HAVE TO BE, UM, DEALT WITH TO GET SIDEWALK IN.
SO THE COST NUMBERS WOULD LIKELY BE CLOSER TO THE, TO THE ONE, YES.
NOW THAT AVERAGE COST IN 75 PERCENTILE DOESN'T APPLY TO THIS ONE.
AND EVEN IF WE CAN'T MAKE THIS ENTIRE CONNECTION, IF WE CAN MAKE PART OF THE CONNECTION THEN, UM, THE, THE TCC WHO HAS REPRESENTATIVES FROM ALL OF THE MEMBER AGENCIES ARE INTERESTED IN, IN PURSUING THIS PROJECT.
IS THIS ROAD DUE FOR, UM, REPAVING SOON BECAUSE IT'S IN PRETTY BAD SHAPE RIGHT NOW.
IN FACT, THE, THE ASPHALT CONDITION IS ANOTHER TOPIC THAT WOULD COME DOWN, BUT I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
MAYBE YOU CAN COMBINE THE TWO AND GET SOME EFFICIENCIES.
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IS A SEPARATE SIDE.THIS IS NOT CONNECTED TO THE ROAD.
THIS IS, THIS IS NOT, I MEAN THE ROAD IS WHAT'S HIGHLIGHTED, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT YEAH.
THE SIDEWALKS WILL ONLY BE ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD.
UM, AND THEN GEORGE AND I HAD ANOTHER CONVERSATION WITH, UM, AMERICAN FLOOD COALITION.
THEY HAD BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY OF NEW BERN AND IDENTIFYING POSSIBLE, UM, UH, GRANT OPPORTUNITIES.
SO THE OAKS ROAD, WHAT, GEORGE, WHY DON'T YOU TALK ABOUT IT SINCE YOU'RE MORE FAMILIAR WITH OAKS ROAD? WE, WE, WE HAVE A SECTION ON OAKS ROAD, UH, WHERE THE RENE'S CREEK CROSSES TOWARDS, TOWARDS LEWIS RIVER.
UM, IT'S OUR FIRST SECTION OF ROAD THAT WILL BE OVERWHELMED BY EITHER TIDAL BUSH OR IF SHOULD WE HAVE PROFITABLE SYSTEMS COME IN THAT GOES UNDERWATER? UM, WE'D REALLY LIKE TO ELEVATE THAT SECTION, UM, JUST TO GIVE INGRESS EGRESS A LITTLE BIT LONGER FOR THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA.
SO IF THAT WAS POSSIBLE TO DO TO ELEVATE THAT ROAD, IT WOULD ALSO ASSIST IN WIDENING THE SHOULDERS OUT WHERE WE COULD PUT IN SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, PEDESTRIAN OR MULTIUSE PATH.
BECAUSE THAT AREA IS REALLY RESTRICTED BY, WE'VE GOT JURISDICTIONAL WETLANDS ON EITHER SIDE.
WE'VE GOT A BLUE LINE STREAM THAT THE ROAD CROSSES OVER, SO THERE'S SOME ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, BUT IF WE CAN COMBINE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT OF THE ROAD BASE TO GET IT WIDER TO FACILITATE SOME OF THAT MULTI-USE PATH, THAT, THAT WOULD BE OUR GOAL THERE.
THEN IT ALLOWS US A MUCH BETTER OPPORTUNITY TO CONNECT TOWN GOING TOWARDS MARK MARTA PARK TOWARDS NORTH BURN ROAD.
YEAH, THAT AREA IS JUST ABOUT ZERO
IT'S UH, YEAH, IT'S BELOW ABOUT TWO AND A HALF FEET IN SOME SPOT ABOVE IN THE ELEVATION.
SO HOW FAR ALONG OAK ROAD OAK ROAD WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO WIDEN? THAT WOULD BE THE MOST IMPORTANT SECTION.
IT'S GOT THE MOST ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
BUT THAT, AND THAT'S WHERE THAT WOULD, WE NEED THE ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE BASE WIDENED FIRST TO ALLOW US TO AVERAGE PUT SOMETHING.
UM, WE HAVE ENOUGH UP WHEN AND RIGHT AWAY WE BELIEVE ON THE REST OF THE OAKS ROAD.
WE RUN INTO A LOT OF ENVIRONMENTAL HURDLES WE HAVE TO CROSS.
SO WHAT, AND YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE HAVING A MEETING WITH THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY, SO WE HAD, UM, WE HAD A MEETING, UM, AGAIN, THIS AMERICAN FLOOD COALITION IS UM, WE'RE ONE OF I THINK SIX COMMUNITIES THAT THEY'RE SPECIFICALLY HELPING IDENTIFY GRANTS.
UM, AND, AND THEIR FOCUS IS ON RESILIENCY.
SO WE APPROACHED THEM ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT AND THEY, I MEAN THE MEETING WE, WE JUST HAD THE MEETING LAST WEEK.
SO THEY'RE, THEY FEEL THAT THEY HAVE A POSSIBLE GRANTS THAT THEY COULD HELP US GO AFTER.
UM, BUT THEY'RE DOING THEIR DUE DILIGENCE AND IDENTIFYING WHAT GRANTS MIGHT THOSE BE AND HOW MUCH THE LOCAL MATCH WOULD BE REQUIRED, THAT KIND OF THING.
SO WHAT WOULD THE REMEDIATION BE? WOULD IT BE LANDFILL OR LITTLE BRIDGE OR WE WOULD'VE TO SEE WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED WHEN WE GOT TO THAT POINT.
WELL, I REMEMBER OUR FIRST MEETING I WAS TALKING ABOUT OAK ROAD AND IT WAS LIKE SO EXPENSIVE AND SO CRAZY TO EVEN THINK ABOUT.
AND SO WE HAVE YOU GUYS ACTUALLY BE TALKING ABOUT THAT.
WELL, AS, AS IN, AS IN THE PRINCIP CLUB ROAD WHERE YOU HAVE MORE EXPENSIVE SECTIONS, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THE HURDLE THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO DRIVE TO GET US DOWN THAT ROAD.
I MIGHT BE DEAD BEFORE THAT HAPPENS, BUT I JUST STILL LIKE THAT SOMEBODY'S DOING SOMETHING.
SO MY THOUGHT IS THAT ONCE WE CAN GET SOME INFORMATION FROM AMERICAN FLOOD COALITION THAT WE CAN REACH BACK OUT TO DOT AND THE EAST COAST GREENWAY 'CAUSE GREENWAY'S, EAST COAST GREENWAY HOUSE AND MONEY THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP US DOING THE PLAN.
SO WE JUST HAVE TO HAVE A, A STRATEGY IN MIND OF WHAT WE WANT TO POTENTIALLY PURSUE FEW DOMINOES.
SO LET ME ASK YOU THOUGH, 'CAUSE THIS IS, UH, ON THE PROPOSED PLAN, IT'S A SHARED USE PATH.
SO THAT WOULD MEAN THERE'S NO BIKE LANE, IT'S JUST MARKINGS ON THE ROAD, ON OAK ROAD.
UM, THE SHARED USE PATH SHOULD BE ONE THAT'S JUST LIKE A, THE SHARE ROAD, THEY WERE JUST SHARING THE ROAD, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND THAT'S WHAT OAKS IS, JUST IT'S LABELED SHARED USE PATH.
BUT WHAT GEORGE'S POINT IS, IF WE CAN, WHILE WE'RE GOING IN THERE WITH SOME TYPE OF IN INSTRUC INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT TO GO AHEAD AND PUT IN RIGHT.
SO MAKE IT MORE LIKE FIRST HERE WHERE YOU HAVE THAT DEDICATED LAND, A WIDE PAID
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SHOULDER OF SOME SIMILAR, WE'RE PUTTING ON THE RACETRACK.UM, WE, WE'VE GOTTA WORK WITHIN WHAT'S FEASIBLE IN OUR RIGHT OF WAY.
AND, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, OUR ULTIMATE GOAL.
I THINK Y'ALL'S POINTS ARE TOTALLY SEPARATE GREEN, WHAT GREENWAY BELTS IS THE SAFEST.
UM, BUT THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS WE CAN MAKE IN OUR EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY TO ACCOMMODATE SOME THINGS, NOT, NOT ALL ASPECTS OF A MULTIMODAL.
SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR TONIGHT AND I DID HEAR A FEW, UM, IDEAS.
SO WE'LL ADD THAT TO THE LIST.
UM, AND MAC, I MIGHT REACH BACK OUT JUST AND MAYBE SPEND SOME TIME GETTING A LITTLE BIT UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE BETWEEN TRENT ROAD, TRENT BOULEVARD AND P*****K STREET.
UM, AND THEN MEANTIME, IF YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS, PLEASE JUST EMAIL ME AND YOU CAN PUT THAT ON THE LIST.
UM, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THAT BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT MEETING THAT I'LL BE REACHING OUT, UM, FOR ASSISTANCE IN HELPING PLAN THE FIRST BIKE RODEO EVENT.
UM, HOPING THAT YOU CAN ALL HELP IN ATTEND.
UM, AND THEN JUST WOULD OPEN THE FLOOR IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
UM, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO STRIKE THE LAWSON CREEK THAT I PRESENTED JUST, UM, UNTIL I GET A LITTLE BIT BETTER NOW THAT I KIND OF UNDERSTAND AND CAN MESS WITH THIS PLAN
BUT IT WAS JUST, IT'S SUCH AN AWESOME PLAN.
I JUST DIDN'T THINK THAT THAT IT SHOULD BE MESSED WITH.
BUT, BUT I WANT TO, THERE'S NO POSSIBLE WAY WE COULD HAVE ACTUAL GREENWAYS IN THIS AREA.
IS IT? I MEAN, SEPARATED GREENWAYS.
WE, I TOOK GO OUT FROM A COUPLE WEEKS IN FLORIDA.
WE RODE ALL OVER THE PLACE EVERYWHERE DOWN THERE.
AND THE NEW HIGHWAYS ARE BUILDING, THEY'VE GOT LANES, I MEAN MULTI USED TO PASS ON EACH SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY.
THERE MIGHT BE UNBELIEVABLE BRAND NEW HIGHWAYS.
THEY'RE PUTTING THEM IN EVERYWHERE.
THEY PUT A ROAD THEY PUT IN WAY FOR BIKES, PEDESTRIANS.
I THINK WE'LL SEE HOPEFULLY, UM, WITH WITH NLK AND NEWS BOULEVARD WE MAY SEE SOME ALLEVIATED COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC ONCE THE 43 CONNECTOR COMES TO FRUITION, WHICH MIGHT NOT, YOU KNOW, DT GOTTA TO LOOK INTO SOME OF THESE OPTIONS OF ROAD DI IT IS, IT IS TOO LATE.
I KNOW THE, THE BROAD STREET DEAL USED BOULEVARD, THERE'S VERY LITTLE PARKING EVER GOES ALONG THERE IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME.
I MEAN YOU VERY SELDOM SEE CARS PARKED BUT IT GOT CUT OUT FOR PARKING AND THEY GOT THAT, CALL IT A WHITE LANE.
NOW Y'ALL WOULDN'T DRIVE THAT LANE WITH NOTHING IN THE WORLD? NO.
WE HAD ONE, ONE GIRL, I MEAN, NOT TOO LONG AGO, CAR OPENED UP THE DOOR RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME.
I MEAN THAT'S DANGEROUS THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA CAUSE MORE WRECKS AND TAKE A LEFT.
NO, WITHOUT UH, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY DID THAT LIKE THAT DOWN THERE.
DO YOU GEORGE, I MEAN PUT, PUT CURBS COME OUT LIKE THAT SO YOU'RE FORCED TO GO OUT THERE AROUND IT AND THEN THEY'VE GOT THE REST OF IT'S IN BETWEEN AND NO CARS PARKED ALONG THERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY WENT ALL THAT TROUBLE TO DO THAT.
HAD A NICE, HAD A NICE LANE ON EACH SIDE.
BUT ANYWAY, I'VE BEEN ATTENDING
LIKE THEY HAD TO FOLD OUT TABLES AND ALL AND THERE'S ONE GUY WITH HIS ORTHOPEDIC SHOES ON AND HE'D BE SLEEPING THERE AND THEY SAY HE WANNA PUT UP.
AND THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS DEALT WITH BACK BEING PASSED UP ALL STUFF.
I WENT TO 'EM, TRIED TO PRESENT UH, RAILS TO TRAILS TO 'EM WHEN THEY TOOK OUT THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
THEN PER NO, THEY WOULDN'T CONSIDER THAT.
YOU KNOW THE TOBACCO TRAIL IN DURHAM? OH YEAH.
YEAH, THAT'LL, IT'S ALL OVER THE PLACE.
WE JUST MAKE SOME CHANGES HERE.
WHERE IN THE, IN THE, THAT MANUAL IS THE BEST PAGES TO PULL THE POTENTIAL PROJECTS OUT OF.
I WOULD JUST, AND IF YOU WANNA, YOU CAN BORROW MINE, BUT REALLY JUST GO TO THE MAPS.
THE, ALL THE MAPS GIVE YOU DIFFERENT PRIORITIES.
SOME OF THEM ARE IN FILL, SOME OF THEM, YOU KNOW, MEANING WHERE YOU CAN CONNECT SIDEWALKS.
UM, AND THEN THAT THEY, EACH MAP HAS THE LEGENDS ON THE SIDE.
SO ON THE SIDE UP HERE, THEY ALL HAVE A LEGEND.
BUT THERE'S SEVERAL OF THESE MAPS SO THAT WOULD BE VERY EASY.
DID THE ONES THAT ARE IN DARK ARE THE ONES THAT NORMALLY TALKING ABOUT FOR THIS PARTICULAR MAP.
ANY OTHER THOUGHTS BEFORE WE ADJOURN THE MEETING? SO IS THERE EXPENSE FOR WHEN YOU, THE NEXT EXPENSE FOR WHEN YOU'D LIKE FOR TIME? JUST AS THE SOONER YOU CAN GIVE ME YOUR LIST THAT MORE TIME GIVES ME TO, TO REALLY LOOK AT ALL THE
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PROJECTS AS A WHOLE.UM, AND I CAN REACH BACK OUT WITH QUESTIONS.
UM, AND THE, I MEAN OUR GOAL WOULD BE AT THE NEXT MEETING THAT WE'RE FINALIZING THE BIKE RODEO INFORMATION AND THAT WE CAN DO A DEEPER DIVE IN THE PROJECTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED.
AND UM, IT ALSO CAN ALLOW US TO FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S ANY COMMONALITIES BETWEEN IT.
SO WE CAN LOOK AT IT FROM THE ANALYTICS LIKE YOU HAD SUGGESTED.
SO WE GIVE YOU SOME OF THAT HOMEWORK BEFORE WE PRESENT THE PROJECTS.
WELL HERE, YOU KNOW WHERE THE FURTHER CONVERSATION, I'M JUST FOR ADJOURNED.