[1. OPENING OF MEETING WITH ROLL CALL]
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OKAY.IT BEING THE APPOINTED TIME, I'LL CALL THE ORDER OF THIS MEETING IN NEWBURN, HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.
CAN WE HAVE ROLL CALL? YES, CERTAINLY.
UH, MARK BARTNER IS ABSENT AND, UH, EXCUSED OUR TRIP.
[2. ADJUSTMENTS TO THE AGENDA]
WE HAVE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE AGENDA? I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE ONE.UH, SIX 14 MIDDLE STREET, UH, HAS WITHDRAWN THEIR APPLICATION, SO, SO THEY WILL NOT BE DOING THEIR PROJECT.
UH, SO THERE'S NO CONTINUANCE NEEDED.
DO WE NEED A MOTION? NO CONTINUANCE NEEDED TO TAKE IT OFF THE AGENDA.
YOU CAN ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO REMOVE, UM, I THINK IT'S ITEM NUMBER 4G FROM YOUR AGENDA.
WOULD SOMEONE MAKE A MOTION? WE, UH, REMOVE ITEM 4G SIX 14 MILL STREET.
SO THE REASON THAT THE, UH, OWNER HAS IT'S WITHDRAWN.
[3. CONSENT AGENDA]
APPROVE? NO, WE DO NOT, BUT WE, YEP.BUT WE HAVE THE WRITTEN DECISIONS.
WE DO HAVE WRITTEN DECISIONS TO APPROVE.
NEITHER MOTION FOR ALL OF THEM OR EACH AS IT SO LONG.
SO, HMONG, AS THE VOTE IS UNANIMOUS, YOU CAN VOTE ON ALL OF THE WRITTEN DECISIONS TOGETHER.
NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE ALL OF THE WRITTEN DECISIONS OF WHICH THERE ARE LIKE FOUR.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE AND I'LL READ THEM.
WE APPROVE THE WRITTEN DECISIONS FOR 2 0 7 P*****K STREET, TWO 17 HANCOCK STREET, TWO 17 MIDDLE STREET, AND 5 0 6 CRAVEN STREET.
I SECOND A MOTION MOVE AND SECONDED.
WE WERE, UH, REMOVED THOSE FOUR.
WE, UH, APPROVE THOSE FOUR WRITTEN DECISIONS.
[4.A. HEARINGS: INTRODUCTION, SWEARING-IN, SUMMARY OF PROCESS]
WORDS ABOUT OUR MEETING.HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION IS A PUBLIC COMMISSION APPOINTED BY THE CITY OF NEW BERN'S BOARD OF ALDERMAN.
IT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR PRESERVING AND SAFEGUARDING NEW BERN'S.
LOCALLY HISTORIC, HISTORIC, LOCALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICTS DOWNTOWN AND RIVERSIDE BASED ON US DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, STATE STATUTES, CITY ORDINANCES, AND NEW BERN'S HISTORIC GUIDELINES.
TWO OF THE MAJOR TASKS OF HPC ARE APPROVING APPLICATIONS FOR CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS AND PREVENTING DEMOLITION OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES BY NEGLECT.
WE HOLD QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS OF WHICH THIS IS ONE ON AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION HEARS SWORN TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT, BY PARTIES WHO RECEIVE NOTICE OF THE HEARING AND BY OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT EVIDENCE AND DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THE APPLICATION.
THE COMMISSION CANNOT CONSIDER COMMENTS BASED ON PERSONAL LIKES OR DISLIKES, HEARSAY OR PERSONAL OPINION THAT CANNOT BE DIRECTLY RELATED TO SPECIFIC HISTORIC GUIDELINES.
LIKEWISE, COMMISSIONERS SHALL RECEIVE FROM STATING PERSONAL OPINIONS, PERSONAL LIKES AND DISLIKES, OR HEARSAY DURING THE, DURING THE HEARING.
COMMISSION'S DECISION IS BASED SOLELY ON THE APPLICATION AND THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PRESENTED AT THE HEARING AND AND DIRECTLY RELATED TO HISTORIC GUIDELINES.
CAN WE SWEAR IN THE PRESENTERS? YES.
UH, YOU'RE GOING TO ANYONE WHO IS GOING TO BE SPEAKING TONIGHT COME UP AND BE SWORN IN AND REMEMBER YOU DO THIS.
COULD YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND? DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES.
SO IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY SIGNED UP HERE OR PRINTED YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE DO.
YOU WANNA DO THAT FOR HIM? ARE YOU GONNA SPEAK? YES.
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WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES.BEFORE WE GET INTO THE APPLICATIONS, I WANNA REVIEW THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW.
THE HPC ADMINISTRATOR WILL PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE APPLICATION.
THE APPLICANT OR THE REPRESENTATIVE WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO, UH, UH, PRESENT THAT APPLICATION IF THEY CHOOSE PROPONENTS AND OPPONENTS WHO RECEIVE NOTICE OF THE HEARING CAN, UH, PRESENT EVIDENCE REBUTTAL IS ALLOWED BY THE APPLICANT AND BY PROPONENTS AND, AND PROPONENTS WHO RECEIVE NOTICE.
OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT INFORMATION AND WILL BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED CAN PRESENT EVIDENCE.
HPC ADMINISTRATOR WILL WILL PRESENT THE STAFF FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATION.
THE APPLICANT OR THE REPRESENTATIVE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE FINAL COMMENTS ON THE APPLICATION.
THE COMMISSIONERS DISCUSS THE EVIDENCE AND MAY ASK FOR CLARIFICATION FROM THE APPLICANT OR PRESENTERS.
THE CHAIRMAN WILL, UH, CALL FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE OR DENY THE APPLICATION WITH STATED FINDINGS OF FACT THE MOTION'S DISCUSSED.
AND I'LL CALL FOR A, A MOTION OR A VOTE ON THE MOTION.
[4.B. 715 E. FRONT ST. – to include a new 2½-story infill house and 1½-story garage. This was continued from the previous meeting.]
WE'RE READY FOR FIRST ONE.FIRST APPLICATION IS SEVEN 15 EAST FRONT STREET.
AND SO I'LL GO OVER THE APPLICATION.
SO THIS IS THE ACTUAL APPLICATION FORM SEVEN 15 EAST FRONT STREET.
UH, THE OWNERS ARE GEORGE AND DEBBIE AIKEN, AND THEY HAVE ALL THE REQUIRED INFORMATION ATTACHED AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT ONE'S NOT SIGNED.
THIS MUST HAVE BEEN BECAUSE THE, THE NEW, UH, YOU SENT ME SOME NEW, UH, DRAWINGS AND YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE SIGNED APPLICATION THERE, BUT WE DO HAVE ONE.
UH, SO THEN THESE ARE HIS DRAWINGS.
UH, AND THIS IS A RENDERING ON THE FIRST PAGE SHOWING, UH, WHAT THE HOUSE WOULD LOOK LIKE.
AND SORRY ABOUT ALL THE BLINKING THERE.
I'M TRYING TO GET THE REST OF THIS TEXT ON HERE TOO.
UH, SO THE, UH, PROJECT HAS DESCRIBED SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED ON THE FORM ON THE FRONT ARE DESCRIBED HERE.
AND I HIGHLIGHTED THE THINGS THAT, UM, DIRECTLY RELATE TO SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS.
SO THERE WILL BE LANDSCAPING TO SCREEN THE FOUNDATION.
UH, THE DRIVEWAY WILL BE 10 FOOT WIDE.
THE FOUNDATION IS BROKEN, INDIVIDUALLY PLEASING, AND INTERESTING COMPONENTS BY USING A COMBINATION OF DECORATIVE VARIATION AND LOUVERS TO BREAK UP THE MASONRY.
THE PROPOSED WINDOWS ARE FOUR OVER ONE AND ARE TRIMMED WITH A COMBINATION OF FOUR AND FIVE INCH FIBER.
CEMENT TRIM, UH, CONCRETE MASONRY UNITS FACED WITH BRICK AND AZ TRIM MATERIAL ARE FOR, FOR THE FOUNDATION.
UH, THE STRUCTURE WILL BE SHEATHED WITH FIBER, CEMENT SIDING AND A COMBINATION OF FIBER, CEMENT, TRIM AND TRIM.
UH, ROOFING WILL BE A COMBINATION OF STANDING SEAM METAL AND 30 YEAR ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLES.
UH, THE PORCH DECKING WILL CONSIST OF AZA DECKING.
EXTERIOR STAIRS WILL CONSIST OF PRESSURE TREATED TIMBER TRIMMED WITH AZA TRIM AND TREADS AND FIBER CEMENT MATERIAL.
THE FASCIA AND SOFFIT WILL CONSIST OF FIBER CEMENT, TRIM MATERIAL PAVEMENT ON THE SITE COMBINATION OR WILL BE A COMBINATION OF CONCRETE AND BRICK PAVER DRIVES AND WALKS.
AND NOW THIS IS A RENDERING OF THE, UM, LET'S SEE, THAT WOULD BE THE NORTHWEST CORNER.
AND WE CAN SEE FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THESE ON THE ELEVATIONS AS WELL.
BUT, UM, WE HAVE A BACK PORCH OBVIOUSLY.
AND, UH, YOU CAN SEE ALSO ON THIS, ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE VIEW OVER HERE, UH, THESE ARE THE LOUVERS BETWEEN THE PIERS.
UH, THESE ARE THE MECHANICAL UNITS.
AND THIS FENCE IS NOT A NEW FENCE.
BUT THERE IS A NEW PIECE OF FENCE THAT GOES IN FRONT OF THE, UM, MECHANICAL UNITS.
I SHOULD PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE POINTED THAT OUT ON THE PREVIOUS, UH, ELEVATION OF IT COMES UP ON A DIFFERENT ONE.
UM, WE DO HAVE ON THIS RENDERING, AT LEAST I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING IT IN THE, IN THE ELEVATIONS.
WE HAVE A HORIZONTAL WINDOW HERE.
UM, THAT WILL HAVE TO BE, WOULD BE, HAVE TO BE CHANGED UNLESS IT'S ON THE ELEVATIONS.
THE FRONT ELEVATION IS ON THE LEFT AND THE REAR ELEVATION IS ON THE RIGHT.
UM, AND UH, WE CAN SEE IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE,
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UM, MAYBE THIS UPPER LEFT WINDOW IS A HORIZONTAL WINDOW, BUT ALL THE REST ARE VERTICAL.WE HAVE OUR BAY WINDOW HERE, ALL THE, UH, THE LOUVERS THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER.
UM, THEN UNDERNEATH THE PORCH, IT'S A DIFFERENT, UH, SCREEN, UH, EFFECT HERE.
I'M GUESSING THESE ARE, THESE ARE WOOD.
THIS IS A WOOD SCREEN UNDERNEATH THE FRONT PORCH, IS THAT CORRECT? IT WOULD BE, UH, FOR A SOME LOW MAINTENANCE.
IF YOU CAN COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE.
SO YOU CAN COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE, BUT, UH, YES, HE SAID YES OR SOME KIND OF LOW MAINTENANCE MATERIAL.
SO, UM, ON THE BACK, UH, YES WE DO HAVE THAT, UH, RECTANGULAR WINDOW HERE.
SO THAT RECTANGULAR WINDOW WOULD'VE TO CHANGE TO EITHER SQUARE OR VERTICAL.
UM, THEN LET'S GO DOWN AND THE BACK PORCH HAS THAT SAME, UH, SCREENING UNDERNEATH THE, THE BACK PORCH AS WELL, RIGHT? YEAH.
UH, THEN ON THE, LET'S SEE, THE STREET IS ON THE RIGHT.
SO THIS IS THE LEFT SIDE OR THE SOUTH SIDE? MM-HMM.
IT WOULD BE THE, UH, NO, THE STREET IS ON THE LEFT.
FACING THE, UH, THE BLUE HOUSE.
UH, AND UM, WE HAD THE DESCRIPTION THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER, ALL THE VARIOUS SIDING AND ROOFING MATERIALS.
SO WHICH ONES ARE THE, UH, METAL ROOFING? OKAY.
THE LOW PITCH ROOF, UH, OF THE BACK PORCH IS, UM, STANDING SCENE METAL.
AND THAT LITTLE FRONT, UH, DORMER TYPE, A LITTLE FRONT BUMP OUT WILL BE, UH, FOR THE BAY FOUR 12.
THE BAY WINDOW? YEAH, THE BAY WINDOW, BUT FOUR 12, SO IT'LL BE METAL AS WELL.
AND THEN THIS WOULD BE THEN THE SOUTH SIDE.
UM, AND, UH, ASSUMING THESE LOOK VERY CLOSE TO SQUARE, UM, THAT THEY WOULD BE SQUARE.
AND THE RAILING? UH, I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING A RAILING DETAIL.
I, I, UH, COPIED THE HOUSE I HAVE INVO FOR AND IT'S, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE THAT.
SO WE WILL NEED A RAILING DETAIL.
UM, HOW ARE YOU AT INTENT? HOW ARE YOU ALREADY ENVISIONING THAT THESE WOULD BE BUILT WITH, UH, REGARD TO WHERE THE, UH, SPINDLES ARE LOCATED OR THE BALLISTERS ARE LOCATED? WELL, THEY'D BE TO, TO CODE OF COURSE, BUT I, I, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER I'M GONNA DO 'EM OUT OF WOOD OR, UM, SOME SORT OF, UH, AZAC OR SOMETHING.
SO THE TWO QUESTIONS ARE, UM, WILL THE BALLISTERS, UH, BE CENTERED UNDER THE HANDRAIL AND CENTERED ON THE BOTTOM RAIL? ABSOLUTELY.
UH, AND SECOND QUESTION IS, WILL THEY BE SPACED NO MORE THAN THREE INCHES APART? THAT'S CORRECT, YES.
ALRIGHT, SO HERE'S OUR SECTION.
UH, AND THIS IS WHERE WE GET TO TALK ABOUT THE FLOOR ELEVATION.
UH, THE PROPOSED FLOOR ELEVATION IS, UH, 12 FEET ABOVE SEA LEVEL.
UH, THIS IS APPROXIMATELY SIX FEET ABOVE GRADE.
UH, AND THAT 12 FEET ABOVE SEA LEVEL IS THE REQUIRED HEIGHT AND NO MORE.
UH, IN FACT, THE MENTIONS THAT THE, UH, DUCT WORK AND INSTALLATION WILL BE UNDERNEATH THERE AND THEY WILL ALSO BE ABOVE THE 11 FOOT, UH, REQUIRED, UH, ABOVE SEA LEVEL, UH, FOR THEM.
UM, AND THE BUILDING HEIGHT ITSELF, UM, UH, I BELIEVE CONFORMS TO THE, UH, UH, ZONING HEIGHT STANDARD.
BUT THAT IS SOMETHING FOR THE ZONING OFFICER TO DETERMINE THEN, UM, FOR SITE AND SETTING.
SO HE SIMPLY IMPLIES THAT, OR INDICATES THAT, UH, HE CITED THE HOUSE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF HIS BUILDING ENVELOPE.
UH, SO THAT, UH, FOR ONE, UH, HE, UM, IS ABLE TO SPACE IT MORE EQUALLY BETWEEN THE TWO NEIGHBORING HOUSES, UH, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT THE GUIDELINES POINT OUT.
UH, AND SECONDLY, HE'S ALSO, UH, USING THE SETBACK THAT IS WITHIN A RANGE OF THE, SOME OF THE FARTHEST ONES AND CLOSEST ONES TO THE, UH, UH, SIDEWALK.
SO THAT'S, UH, HE'S APPROPRIATE, GOT AN APPROPRIATE, UH, FRONT YARD SETBACK.
THEN HE ALSO IS SHOWING HERE THE SETBACKS FOR THE ACCESSORY BUILDING IN THE BACK
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AND THEY ALL EXCEED THE MINIMUM REQUIRED FOR THAT.UM, AND ALSO THE SEPARATION TO THE PRIMARY BUILDING.
AND ALSO THE OTHER REASON THAT THE HOUSES, UM, ALONG THE NORTHERN SIDE IS SO THAT HE CAN HAVE HIS DRIVEWAY TO FIT BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE, UH, PROPERTY LINE SO HE CAN GET TO THE GARAGE.
AS A, UM, THIS IS THE FOUNDATION PLAN, AND NOW THIS IS NEW SINCE THE, UH, DESIGN REVIEW HE'S PROVIDED, UM, A, UH, LANDSCAPE PLAN AND LANDSCAPE RENDERINGS.
SO, UH, THAT'S EVEN A FIRST FOR US.
UH, SO, UM, YOU CAN SEE HOW THE LANDSCAPING THAT HE'S PROVIDING IS, UM, UH, SCREENING THE EXTRA HIGH FOUNDATION, UH, AT LEAST, UH, WITH, UH, THE RENDERED VERSIONS OF THE, OF THE PLANTS.
THEY'LL, THEY'LL GROW THAT, OF COURSE.
UH, THEY, THEY GET SOME, THEY GET SOME TIME TO, UH, GROW.
UH, HE HAS, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, NEXT IN FRONT OF THE HVAC UNITS ON THE RIGHT, WHICH IS THIS LITTLE WHITE RECTANGLE.
UH, HE NOT ONLY HAS THE FENCE THAT, THAT HE'S, UH, ADDING THERE, BUT ALSO THE, A HOLLY TREE, A LEGGE ROOM, A WAX MYRTLE.
AND THEN OUT FRONT HE'S SHOWING A, UH, SABLE PALM.
THEN HE HAS CHA'S, UM, AND THEN A SEGO PALM THAT'S THESE SHORT ONES DOWN HERE.
UH, OOPS, I CAN'T READ WHAT I HAVE THAT OFF THE BOTTOM.
UM, UH, THE PAVEMENT TO THE STEPS WILL BE BRICK AND, UH, BERMUDA GRASS AS HIS LAWN.
AND THEN, UH, HE'S SHOWING A CONCRETE DRIVEWAY.
UH, IT ALSO LOOKS LIKE, UH, YOU ARE PROPOSING, UH, FROM THE STEPS, THE REAR STEPS TO THE, UH, DRIVEWAY.
SORT OF ANY PEDESTRIAN WALKING AREA IS GONNA BE BRICK PAVERS, NOT CONCRETE.
AND THEN SIMILARLY TO THE STAIRWAY THAT GOES TO THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
UM, AND SO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WE CAN ASK LATER.
UH, THEN, UH, SO THIS IS RENDERING OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
IT'S A GARAGE WITH, UH, UPSTAIRS IS A RECREATION ROOM.
UH, AND, UH, SO THE RELEVANT OR THE MORE MOST RELEVANT PIECE OF INFORMATION ARE THAT THE, UH, FOOTING WILL BE TWO COURSES OF EIGHT INCH CMU FOUNDATION WALLS.
AND, UH, THE FLOOR, THE GARAGE FLOOR WILL BE FOUR INCH CONCRETE INFILL SLAB.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WON'T ACTUALLY SEE THE CMU UNITS, RIGHT? NO, THEY'RE UNDERGROUND.
UH, AND THEN, UH, THE STRUCTURE ITSELF WILL BE SHEATHED WITH THE FIBER, FIBER CEMENT, SIDING AND A COMBINATION OF FIBER, CEMENT, TRIM AND ISEC TRIM MATERIALS SIMILAR TO THE MAIN HOUSE, CORRECT? UH, EXACTLY THE SAME.
AND THE ROOFING WILL BE ALSO 30 YEAR ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLES, UH, WITH THE METAL PROBABLY OVER THE LOW PITCH.
OH, UH, THE UPPER, THE DORMER HERE? YEAH.
SO YOU WILL PROBABLY WANT TO ADD THAT ON THERE.
UH, EXTERIOR STAIRS WILL CONSIST OF PRESSURE TREATED TIMBER, TIMBER TRIMMED WITH AZA TRIM AND TREADS AND FIBER CEMENT MATERIAL.
AND THE FASCIA AND SOFFIT WILL CONSIST OF FIBER CEMENT TRIM MATERIAL.
AND THEN YOU'LL WANT TO CORRECT THAT THIS PARTICULAR PARAGRAPH, UH, INDICATES IT'S TO BE INHABITED.
WE MIGHT JUST CHANGE THAT TO THE RECREATION AREA.
TO AVOID CONFUSION FOR ZONING.
NOW WE HAVE OUR NICE RENDERINGS OF THE STRUCTURE.
UM, SO A SHORTER DORMER ON THE BACK AND A LARGER ONE ON THE FRONT.
AND WE JUST HEARD ALL THE MATERIALS, THE DOORS AND THE WINDOWS.
WHAT MATERIAL ARE THEY? UH, THE WINDOWS, UH, IN THE FIRST, UM, STORY OR IN THE GARAGE, I'M ACTUALLY GONNA REUSE THOSE CASEMENT WINDOWS FROM THE CMU STRUCTURE THAT'S THERE.
'CAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE MODERN WINDOWS AND THEY'RE GOOD WINDOWS.
AND THE SECOND, UM, UM, STORY OR THE, THOSE DORMERS ARE GONNA BE THE ANDERSON AERIES WINDOWS, JUST LIKE THE MAIN HOUSE.
AND WHAT MATERIAL ARE THOSE? UH, I BELIEVE THEY HAVE THIS FX MM-HMM.
I LIKE 'EM 'CAUSE THEY'RE LOW MAINTENANCE AND THEY'RE A LOT STRONGER THAN A, A CLAD WINDOW AND THEIR MAINTENANCE IS A LOT LESS.
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IN EACH OF THE SASHES ARE THOSE THE, UH, 3D SO, SO-CALLED 3D, UM, MUONS? THEY WOULD BE, YEAH.IT'S, UH, BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA USE DOUBLE PANE.
SO IT'LL BE, UH, ONE ON THE OUTSIDE, ONE ON THE INSIDE, AND THEN ONE IN BETWEEN.
THAT'S WHAT THE SERIES A I BELIEVE IS.
WE'LL HAVE THAT DOUBLE PANE WINDOW DOORS AS WELL WITH THE MM-HMM.
AND YOUR GARAGE DOORS ARE WHAT MATERIAL? GARAGE DOORS WILL PROBABLY BE, UH, ALUMINUM, UM, DOORS.
BUT THERE'LL BE THE CARRIAGE HOUSE STYLE.
AND JUST TO POINT OUT, UM, YOU, YOU ARE, UH, PROPOSING A A, AN EXTERIOR LIGHT HERE AS WELL.
HERE'S THE FOUNDATION AND THE FRAMING PLAN FOR THE FIRST FLOOR.
AND THEN FOR THE SECOND FLOOR FLOOR PLAN, UH, THIS IS A SECTION.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING IN THE FLOODPLAIN IS PARKING OR STORAGE.
SO, UM, HE'S OKAY WITH REGARD TO THAT ASPECT.
SO THESE ARE NOW ELEVATIONS, ELEVATION, THE REAR ELEVATION.
SO THESE, UH, THESE WINDOWS HE'S TALKING ABOUT, UM, THAT ARE COMING FROM THE, UH, THE EXISTING HOUSE THAT'S TO BE DEMOLISHED.
THAT'S ABOUT THE ONLY THING THAT IS ABUSE.
THEY'RE LIKE, THEY'RE STEEL WINDOWS.
I BELIEVE THEY'RE CASEMENT WINDOWS.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY ALUMINUM.
UH, AND THEN HE HAS THE, UM, MECHANICAL UNIT ATTACHED TO THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
AND THERE YOU'VE GOT AN IDEA OF THE STYLE OF A, OOPS.
UH, THE STYLE OF THE, THE LIGHTING.
AND SO THEN WE HAVE OUR, UH, ZONING AND INSPECTIONS REPORT.
UM, THE, UM, ZONING ADMINISTRATOR HAS INDICATED THAT IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE AND A ZONING PERMIT WILL BE REQUIRED.
AND THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR, UH, OF COURSE, UH, A UH, BUILDING PERMIT IS REQUIRED AND A FLOODPLAIN DEVELOPMENT PERMIT IS ALSO REQUIRED.
AND THEN WE'RE READY WITH OUR STAFF REPORT WHENEVER YOU WANT.
MS. BACON, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NO.
ARE THERE ANY OPPONENTS OR PROPONENTS OF THE, UH, PLAN THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, TO BE HEARD? OKAY, WE'RE READY FOR YOU, MATT.
SORRY, SPEAKING OF INFORMATION.
ALRIGHT, SO THIS, UH, I'LL MAKE THIS BIGGER SO SOME PEOPLE CAN READ IT.
SO THIS IS THE REPORT FOR GEORGE AND DEBBIE AIKEN FOR THE PROJECT AT SEVEN 15 EAST FRONT STREET.
AT THE EXISTING HOUSE, UH, TO BE REMOVED IS THE BENGAL HOUSE FROM CIRCA 1950.
IT, UH, IS CONTRIBUTING OR WAS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE, UM, AND NEITHER THE NATIONAL I WELL, THE NATIONAL INVENTORY, UH, DESCRIPTION IS NOT APPLICABLE SINCE IT'LL BE REMOVED.
AND SANDECK DID NOT EVEN HAVE ANYTHING.
SO, SEVEN 15 EAST FRONT STREET, THE PROJECT IS TO INCLUDE A NEW TWO AND A HALF STORY INFILL HOUSE AND ONE AND A HALF STORY GARAGE AS REDEVELOPMENT FOLLOWING THE ALREADY APPROVED DEMOLITION.
SO, AS A SECOND PART OF THE DEMOLITION AND REDEVELOPMENT APPLICATION FOR THIS PROPERTY, STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINE STANDARDS, ALSO KNOWN AS GUIDELINES THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR DEVELOPMENT PATTERN 2.1 AND THREE FOR UTILITIES 2.3 0.1, TWO AND SIX.
AND, UH, THE HIGHLIGHTING REPRESENTS SOME THINGS THAT, UH, YOU MAY WANT TO PAY ATTENTION TO OR USE IN YOUR MOTION.
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UH, THE LANDSCAPING, UH, 2.42 AND THREE FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, 2.6 0.1 AND TWO FOR PARKING.2.7 0.12 AND FOUR FOR DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, 0.1, TWO AND FOUR FOR INFILL CONSTRUCTION.
3.4 0.1, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR FOR FOUNDATIONS.
4.2 3, 4 5, AND SIX FOR WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION, 4.2 0.4 AND FIVE FOR WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS.
5.1 0.5 FOR PAINT, 5.4, 0.23 AND FOUR FOR CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS.
AND SO THE STATEMENTS OF FACT, BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION ARE ONE, THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE IS LOCATED IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
TWO, THE PROJECT IS AN INFILL HOUSE AND ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
THREE, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DESIGN STANDARDS GUIDELINES.
UH, FOUR, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
AND FIVE, THE APPLICATION IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
SO THE HPC MAY WANT TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
REVISED PLANS ACCORDING TO THE CHANGES AGREED UPON AT A HEARING SHALL BE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT TO THE HPC STAFF FOR APPROVAL ACCORDING TO THE GUIDELINES AND PRIOR TO THE FINAL INSPECTION BY THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DIVISION.
AND THE SECOND ONE GOES AWAY BECAUSE HE DOES HAVE THE LANDSCAPE PLAN NOW INCLUDED.
DISCUSSION, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I DO HAVE A QUESTION, UM, REGARDING THE, I GUESS I NEED TO ADDRESS MR. ATKINS.
UM, YOU CAN COME UP WITH MICROPHONE.
REGARDING THE FRONT STAIRS, AS THEY COME DOWN FROM THE, THE FRONT STAIRS AS THEY COME DOWN FROM THE PORCH DOWN, ARE THOSE FLOATING OR DO, ARE THEY WALK UNDER OR ARE THEY ENCLOSED UNDERNEATH? YOU KNOW, I, THEY'RE SHOWN SORT OF AS, AS A GAP BETWEEN THAT AND I'M EITHER GONNA COVER THAT WITH LANDSCAPING OR I MAY JUST EXTEND THE, UH, I LIKE THE VERTICAL SCREENING AND, UH, WHEN THERE'S OPEN BEHIND IT, UM, I'LL PROBABLY JUST DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT IF Y'ALL REQUIRE ME TO, I'D BE GLAD TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT, IT'S MORE CONDUCIVE TO WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, UP AND DOWN THE STREET.
CLOSED STAIRWAYS ON THE FRONT.
ANYBODY ELSE? WELL, IT, IT'S THE CONCRETE UNITS MASON ON UNITS THAT ARE FACED WITH BRICK.
IS THAT FULL SIZE BRICK? NOT, YES.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY CHEAPER THAN THE, THE CUT BRICK.
SO, UH, LOOKING AT THE COA EVALUATION MARK SHEET THAT WE HAVE ON PAGE, UH, ONE DASH 15 OF THE GUIDELINES, UH, THIS, THE APPLICATION THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS VERY WELL STRUCTURED.
I COMMEND YOU ON THAT 'CAUSE YOU'VE HIT ALL THE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE POINTS THAT WE USUALLY LOOK AT, UH, SITING SETTING, DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, UH, PLACEMENT OF PRIMARY STRUCTURES.
IT'S VERY OBVIOUS THAT, UH, YOU DID, YOU DID SOME HOMEWORK ON THAT PRIMARY STRUCTURE, ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN THE BACK YOU PROVIDED US WITH, UM, BASIC LANDSCAPING PLAN.
UH, FENCES, UH, GUARD WALLS AND SO FORTH, UH, ARE CERTAINLY, UH, COMPATIBLE WITH THE GUIDELINES.
DESIGN ATTRIBUTES, UH, MASS SCALE PROPORTION, UH, FITS IN WITH, UH, KIND OF THE STANDARD RULE OF LOOK TO THE LEFT, LOOK TO THE RIGHT, LOOK ACROSS THE STREET.
SO THAT FITS IN FENESTRATION, WINDOWS, DOORS, SO FORTH.
UH, VERY COMPATIBLE WITH, UH, WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, WALLS, FOUNDATIONS, SO FORTH.
UM, EVERYTHING LOOKS, LOOKS, UH, COMPLIANT WITH THE, UH, WITH THE DESIGN AS FAR AS THE GUIDELINES ARE CONCERNED.
SINCE THIS IS NEW CONSTRUCTION, CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS ARE ALLOWED, UH, THE MATERIALS PROPOSED FIT IN WITH THE GUIDELINES.
OTHER THAN, OTHER THAN A FEW DETAILS THAT, UH, MATT POINTED OUT.
UH, THAT, UM, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT TWO HORIZONTAL WINDOWS? THAT'S, THAT'S, ARE THERE TWO DIFFERENT THERE JUST TWO, RIGHT? YEAH, THERE WERE TWO.
UH, ONE IS THE, THERE, THERE ONE IS IN THE, UH, THE MASTER BATHROOM AND THE OTHER ONE WAS IN THE MASTER CLOSET.
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CAN CHANGE THOSE TO SQUARE.I MEAN, ALL THE ONES THAT ARE CLOSED.
I HAVE THE, THE WINDOWS RAILING DETAIL ROOFING IN THE AUXILIARY STRUCTURE AND THE ENCLOSURE OF THE STAIRWAY.
ARE THERE OTHERS? AND THE ONLY NEW FENCE IS JUST CONNECTING THE HOUSE TO THE OLD, THE CURRENT FENCE, RIGHT? YEAH.
THERE'S ABOUT, UH, EIGHT FEET FENCE THAT I, I HAVE TO TIE INTO MY NEIGHBOR'S FENCE AND THERE WILL PROBABLY BE A, A LITTLE GATE THERE.
SO YOU CAN GET TO THAT SIDE OF THE HOUSE AND, UM, GONNA PLANT, UM, A HOLLY TRAY THERE 'CAUSE THEY'RE PRETTY TALL.
AND WE KIND OF MIX THOSE UP WITH THE SMALLER, LIKE RUMS AND, UM, WAX MELES.
WE FIND THE APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR SEVEN 15 EAST FRONT STREET TO BE NOT IN CONGRESS WITH NEW BRUNS CODE OF OREGON SECTION 15 4 11 TO 15,429.
AND NEW BERN'S HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IS TWO POINT AND 2.1 0.3.
LANDSCAPE, 2.4 0.2 AND THREE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, 2.6 0.1 AND TWO, PARKING, 2.7 0.12 AND FOUR DESIGN PRINCIPLES TO 3.1, 0.1, TWO AND FOUR.
INFILL CONSTRUCTION, 3.4 0.1, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR FOUNDATIONS, 4.1, 0.2, 3, 4, 5, AND SIX.
WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION, 4.2 0.4 AND FIVE WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS, 4.3 0.2 AND THREE ENTRANCES, 4.4 0.4.
MASON RE 5.1 0.5, PAINT 5.4, 0.23 AND FOUR.
AND CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS, MATERIALS, 5.5 0.1, 2, 3, 4, 5, AND SIX.
FINDINGS OF FACT, THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE IS LOCATED IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
THE PROJECT IS AN INFILL HOUSE AND ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
NUMBER THREE, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN STANDARDS.
THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THE PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
AND THE APPLICATION IS NOT IN CONGRESS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
UH, WE WILL EXPECT YOU TO PROVIDE UPDATED PLANS WITH THE CHANGES NOTED TONIGHT THAT THE CHAIRMAN REFERENCED.
DO YOU NEED TO GO OVER THEM AGAIN? PARDON? DID YOU GET ALL THOSE THAT YOU NEEDED? I, I, I DID.
MR. MORRISON, IF WE COULD JUST INCORPORATE THOSE THINGS AS THE MOTION, THAT'D BE FANTASTIC.
SO I HAVE, UH, EXCUSE ME, I'LL BACK UP.
WE'LL PROVIDE LATE FIXTURE UH, PLANS TO THE ADMINISTRATOR.
UH, THE TWO WINDOWS ON THE FACE THAT ARE CURRENTLY HORIZONTAL WOULD BE SWITCHED AS NON HORIZONTAL SQUARE OR VERTICAL.
IS THAT CORRECT? THERE WAS THIS STAIR STAIRS ENC ENCLOSED THE FRONT STAIRS ENCLOSING THE FRONT STAIRS WITH LADDER.
YOU SAY THE ROOFING AND THE AUXILIARY STRUCTURE? YEAH.
THE DETAILS OF THE METAL ROOFING.
WELL I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS, IT, IT DOESN'T SAY WHICH ROOFS, THAT'S THE THING.
SO HE'LL JUST, YOU CAN ONLY GET THAT FROM THE RENDERING, BUT I'LL PUT IT ON THE ELEVATIONS.
SO ADD AND SPECIFIC DETAIL ON THE ROOF? YES.
AND THE STA AND THE STAIRWAY YOU GOT, AND I'M NOT CLEAR ON THAT, DO WE, DID HE ANSWER THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE ENCLOSED OR, I UNDERSTAND THAT I HAVE TO PUT, UM, THE, UH,
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LOUVERS, UH, ON THE FRONT STAIRS TO ENCLOSE 'EM SO YOU CAN'T SEE, SEE THROUGH TO ENCLOSE THEM INCLUDE STAIR LOUVERS TO ENCLOSED A STAIRWELL.AND ENCLOSED STAIRWELL ON THE FRONT.
WE APPROVE THE COA WITH ALL OF THOSE CONDITIONS.
DO WE NEED TO REFERENCE THE DEMOLITION? BECAUSE THAT WAS A, IS THIS A COMBINED CEILING? OH, NO.
AND WE ACTUALLY, WE ACTUALLY, UH, DID ISSUE ALREADY THE COA FOR BOTH THE DEMOLITION AND A PREVIOUS, UH, PLAN.
IT WAS LIKE A CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
AND NOW THIS IS, IT WAS APPROVED BASED ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
SO, SO WE MOTION, MOTION TO ISSUE THE COA.
WE ISSUE THE COA ALL IN FAVOR OF STATE.
[4.C. 401 AVENUE C – to include a new screened patio in the Tertiary AVC.]
WE'RE READY FOR THE NEXT ONE.UH, THE NEXT ONE IS UH, 4 0 1 AVENUE C.
UH, THE OWNERS ARE JOSEPH AND NOLAN.
UH, AND THE PROJECT IS A, UH, SCREEN PATIO ATTACHED TO THEIR GARAGE SLASH SHED.
THEY ALWAYS CALL IT A SHED, RIGHT?
SO, UM, THAT WAS THEIR APPLICATION THAT SIGNED AND DATED.
AND HERE WE HAVE, UM, JUST SOME HELPFUL INFORMATION.
UH, THE AERIAL VIEW WITH THE SITE, UH, HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE.
UH, AND WE'LL SEE HERE IN A SECOND.
UH, THIS IS THE SHED IN THE SOLID WHITE.
AND THEIR, UH, PROPOSED ADDITION IS IN THE DASHED LINE THERE.
UH, AND THESE ARE SOME CONTEXT PHOTOS OF FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND THEN THE PASTOR, UH, STREET SIDE OF THE HOUSE, UH, AND THEN ALSO PASTOR STREET.
THAT'S THE, UH, GARAGE SLASH SHED THERE.
UH, AND SO, UH, AND THIS IS AN OLDER PHOTO.
UH, THE PATIO SCREEN PATIO WILL BE IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA HERE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT SHED WHERE CURRENT IN THE PHOTO, THERE'S A BUNCH OF PLANTS, BUT THOSE ARE NO LONGER THERE.
WE'LL SEE, I THINK IN A MINUTE.
SEE THERE, WE HAVE ACTUALLY A MORE CURRENT PHOTO.
SO THEY'RE PUTTING THE SHED IN THIS LOCATION HERE.
UM, THESE ARE SOME OLDER PHOTOS SHOWING THAT IN FACT, THE HOUSE ITSELF HAD, FIRST OF ALL A LARGER PORCH AND ALSO A SCREENED PORTION AT ONE POINT.
AND HERE'S ANOTHER ANGLE OF THE SAME THING, AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THIS PHOTO IS THE GARAGE SIDE OF THE GARAGE WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING TO PUT THEIRS.
NOW A MORE RECENT PHOTO WITH THE PORCH IS ALL GONE.
UM, AND ALSO, UH, FROM THE PASTORAL STREET SIDE, UM, MAYBE A BETTER VIEW WITH THAT.
BUT, UH, AND THEN HERE WAS THEIR ORIGINAL SKETCH
SO, BUT IT WAS, UH, EFFECTIVE ENOUGH FOR, UM, US AT THE TIME.
AND SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
AND THIS IS CURRENT SCREENING, I BELIEVE.
CURRENT SCREENING, UH, ALONG THE PAST DOOR STREET SIDE.
AND THIS WAS A NEIGHBOR AS A, AS AN EXAMPLE OF OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAD SCREENED PORCHES ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
UH, IT'S THE SAME ONE, UH, SHOWING IT'S ON THE BACK.
AND THEN THIS IS ANOTHER NEIGHBOR DOWN THE STREET WITH A SCREENED FRONT PORCH.
UH, SO FRONT ELEVATION, SO TO SAY, UH, WITH JUST THE DOOR AND THE SCREEN AND THE STUDS, UM, EXPOSED STUDS.
AND THE, UH, SHOWING UP, UP HERE IN THE LEFT, IT'S KIND OF A CUTAWAY VIEW SHOWING THE STRUCTURE OF THE, OF THE ROOF RAFTER.
BUT, UM, MAINLY YOU'LL END UP SEEING THE, UH, FASCIA BOARD ACROSS THE FRONT.
UH, AND THEN THE FLAT, THE ROOF IS VERY FLAT, PROPOSED TO BE VERY FLAT OR SHOWN IN THIS DRAWING TO BE VERY FLAT.
THAT MIGHT CHANGE WHEN THEY, UH, DECIDE TO BUILD IT.
BUT, AND IN THE BACKGROUND, THEY'RE SHOWING THE, UH, THE GARAGE OR SHED ROOF IN THE BACKGROUND.
THIS IS THE MOST UNIQUE WAY I'VE SEEN OF ANYONE DIMENSIONING.
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OF A BUILDING IS THREE FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE ON THIS SIDE, 37 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY ON THAT SIDE, AND 23 FEET FROM THE FRONT OF THIS TO THE HOUSE.SO ALL OF THAT CONFORMS TO THE REQUIRED ZONING OR THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS FOR PLACEMENT.
UM, SO THE, THE ROOF STRUCTURE DOES OVERHANG THAT FRONT EDGE BIT.
UH, AND, UH, OTHERWISE IT'S THE SAME KIND OF, UH, CONSTRUCTION AS THE FRONT.
AND THEY ARE PUTTING THIS ON A CONCRETE SLAB AND JUST ATTACHING IT TO THE SHED.
THE, UH, THE ROOFING, THE NEW ROOFING WILL ESSENTIALLY SLIP UNDER THE EXISTING ROOFING THAT'S THERE.
UH, AND AT THE DESIGN REVIEW WE DID ASK THEM TO PROVIDE, OH, WAIT.
AND THEN THIS IS A, A ROOF PLAN VIEW,
UH, THE, WE DID ASK THEM TO PROVIDE SOME PHOTOS OF THE EXISTING ROOFING ON THE SHED.
THAT'S THIS ONE DOWN HERE, THAT'S THE NEIGHBOR BEHIND.
UH, AND SO WE HAVE SOME IDEAS TO WHAT THE EXISTING IS LIKE.
AND THAT'S, UH, PRETTY, UH, PRETTY MUCH WHAT IS EXPECTED, NOT LIKE PRETTY MUCH WHAT'S EXPECTED ANYWAY.
AND THEN THEY, UH, ARE SHOWING THIS TO SHOW THE COLOR THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
THIS IS THEIR EXISTING, THIS IS THEIR HOUSE, SO THEY WANT TO JUST MAKE IT MATCH THE SAME COLOR AS THE HOUSE.
AND THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING TO, UM, PAINT THE ROOF OF THE SHED AND GARAGE AT THE SAME TIME, BUT NOT ACTUALLY RELEVANT.
UH, SO, UM, THE C AND I FORM FOR THIS IS THAT THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR HAS INDICATED THAT IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE AND THE ZONING PERMIT WILL BE REQUIRED.
AND CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR, UH, HAS INDICATED THAT A, UH, YES, A BELIEVE IT OR NOT, A BUILDING PERMIT WILL BE REQUIRED FOR THAT.
SO, UH, THEN WE'RE READY WITH OUR REPORT.
ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS YOU YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE? NO.
ARE THERE ANY OPPONENTS OR PROPONENTS OF THE PROJECT WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? LET'S SEE.
WE'RE READY FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
SO THIS ONE IS FOR JOSEPH AND DEL NOLAN FOR THE PROJECT.
RE, UH, 4 0 1 AVENUE C UH, THE HOUSE IS THE RL BANKS HOUSE FROM, UH, CIRCA 1913.
AND WE HAVE A LITTLE DESCRIPTION OF THE HOUSE THERE.
AND THEN, UH, THE, WE NOTE THAT THE GARAGE AND SHED IS NOT MENTIONED IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY.
SO THE NATIONAL REGISTER CONSIDERS IT AS NON-CONTRIBUTING AND SAND BECK DOES NOT DISCUSS HARDLY ANY BUILDINGS IN RIVERSIDE.
AND SO, 4 0 1 AVENUE C UH, THE PROJECT IS TO INCLUDE A NEW SCREEN PATIO IN THE TERTIARY A B, C STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING, HISTORIC, HISTORIC DISTRICT PRINCIPLES AND DESIGN STANDARDS, UH, THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES 2.6 AND TWO FOR DESIGN PRINCIPLES.
3.1 FOR WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION OF 4.25 FOR ROOFS 4.54 AND FOR PAINT, 5.4, 0.23 AND FOUR.
UH, FOR THE STATEMENTS OF FACT, BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION ARE ONE, THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE IS LOCATED IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
THE PROJECT IS A SCREEN PATIO ADDITION TO A NON-CONTRIBUTING ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
AND FIVE, THE APPLICATION IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
SO THE HPC MAY WANT TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE REVISED CLAIMS ACCORDING TO THE CHANGES AGREED UPON AT THE HEARING SHALL BE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT TO THE HPC STAFF FOR APPROVAL ACCORDING TO THE GUIDELINES AND PRIOR TO THE FINAL INSPECTION BY THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DIVISION.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, MATERIALS OR, OR, RIGHT.
YOU DID COMMENT AT DESIGN REVIEW THAT THE SCREEN WOULD BE BEHIND THE WOOD.
WE, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT AT DESIGN REVIEW ABOUT THE, THE ROOF AND, AND YOU SAID IT WOULD BE STANDING SEAM, LIKE THE EXISTING ROOF BEHIND IT.
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THE JOINT CAN, THE JOINTS ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT.YEAH, THAT'S A DIFFERENT, IT'S, I, SO THIS, THIS ONE IN THE FRONT, IN THE FOREGROUND IS THE ONE THAT IT'S ATTACHING TO, RIGHT? THE ONE IN THE BACKGROUND YOU CAN IGNORE, IT'S A NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE, RIGHT? I I BUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT THIS ONE DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE RIGHT.
AND IN THE DESIGN REVIEW WE TALKED ABOUT TO BE THE SAME.
SO I I GUESS THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE THE SAME.
THE NEW ONE'S GONNA BE A STANDING SEAM ROOF.
I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION OF, OKAY.
THE, THE, SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, UH, PHOTOGRAPH CAREFULLY, RIGHT? YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S SOME PLACES WHERE THERE'S TWO RIDGES.
THEN THERE'S A SINGLE, THEN THERE'S TWO, THEN THERE'S A SINGLE AND THEN THERE'S TWO.
THAT'S BECAUSE, UH, WHERE THERE'S TWO, IT'S ACT BETWEEN THE TWO RIDGES IS ONE PIECE OF METAL, CORRECT? YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.
UH, AND THEN THE SINGLE ONE IS JUST A RIDGE OR A RIB, UH, DOWN THE MIDDLE.
SO THAT'S NOT EXACTLY THE SAME WAY AS WHAT WE REQUIRE FOR OUR METAL ROOFS.
SO OUR METAL ROOFS END UP LOOKING WITH SINGLE, THEY END UP BEING SINGLE, UH, UH, DOUBLE LOCK WAIT, DOUBLE UH, YEAH, DOUBLE LOCK SEAMS, UH, THAT ARE, UM, IS IT, UH, NO MORE OR NO LESS THAN 26 INCHES APART? UH, AND SO, UM, IT, THEY END UP LOOKING JUST LIKE THE ONE ON THE HOUSE IN THE BACKGROUND, LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY.
SO, UM, UH, AND SO I GUESS THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE ISSUE HERE IS, UH, WE WOULD EXPECT THE NEW ONE TO HAVE THAT.
UM, THE OLD ONE CAN STAY LIKE IT IS IF YOU WANT.
BUT YOU MIGHT PAINT BOTH OF THEM, BUT WE'RE PAINTING BOTH PAINT THEM BOTH THE SAME COLOR, CORRECT? YEAH.
AND THEY BOTH GET METAL ROOFS.
UH, THE QUESTION WOULD BE, ARE, ARE YOU IN AGREEMENT TO PUT A, A STANDING SEA ROOF AS DESCRIBED BY MATT ON THE NEW STRUCTURE? YES.
UH, WERE THERE ANY, WERE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? NO.
WELL, WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, UH, MR CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
UM, WE FIND THE APPLICATION FOR 4 0 1 AVENUE C, UM, TO BE NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH NEW BURNS.
CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTIONS 15 DASH 4 11 2 15 DASH 4 29 AND NEW BERN'S HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACTS ACT A APPLICABLE GUIDELINES 2.6 2.62, 3.4 5.5 0.4 0.3 5.4 FINDINGS OF FACT THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE IS LOCATED AND THE TIGHT WEED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
THE PROJECT IS A SCREENED PATIO ADDITION TO A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
UH, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS.
UH, THE GUIDELINES, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR IN CHIEF BUILDING, UH, OFFICE OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THE PROJECT AND MADE APPROPRIATE COMMENTS.
AND THE APPLICATION IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
UH, THE, AS MENTIONED, UH, JIM MENTIONED THE SCREENING SHOULD BE BEHIND THE, UH, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY THE STUDS AND, UM, THE ROOF, UH, WILL BE A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF.
AND SECONDED, WE APPROVE WITH THE CONDITIONS NOTED.
OPPOSED? HEARING NONE IS APPROVED.
UH, THERE A MOTION TO ISSUE THE COA.
WE ISSUE THE COA ALL IN FAVOR OF STATE.
NOW WHAT
YOU'LL HAVE THE CONDITIONS THAT YOU, UM, WILL BE DOING THE SCREENING ON THE INSIDE AND THE, AND THE ROOF ACCORDING TO THE STANDARDS.
AND APPLY FOR YOUR BUILDING PERMIT AND YOUR ZONING PERMIT.
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7 0 7[4.D. 707 E. FRONT ST. – to include a new trellis on the existing deck, louvered screens on the existing screen structure, a new gate across the driveway, and new fencing along the southern boundary, all in the Secondary AVC, and re-adding gravel to the driveway in the Tertiary AVC.]
EAST FRONT.THE OWNER IS TOM JAMES AND IS ACCOMPANIED BY OR REPRESENTED BY SARAH ABA.
AND, UM, THEY HAVE ON THIS ONE, THEY ACTUALLY DO HAVE THE DESCRIPTION IN THE, IN THE BOXES HERE, UH, WITH ALL THE OTHER RELEVANT INFORMATION AS WELL, UH, CHECKED OFF THE APPROPRIATE BOXES AND MS. AK HAS SIGNED AS THE AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE AS INDICATED BY THIS AUTHORIZATION FORM, WHICH HAS BEEN SIGNED AND NOTARIZED.
SO WE HAVE, UH, THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, UM, ON EAST FRONT STREET, AND I'M GOING TO GO ON SMALLER.
SO I'M GONNA START WITH THE SITE PLAN THAT I'VE CUT OUT OF THE PLANS FOR NOW TO GET US STARTED.
SO LET'S START AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
THEY'RE, UM, PROPOSING THE PLANT A CREPE MYRTLE ON THE LEFT.
UM, THERE WILL BE A NEW TRELLIS, UH, OVER THE EXISTING DECK AND SOME NEW SCREENING THAT WE'LL SEE IN A MINUTE, UH, WITH LOUVERS.
UH, AND THEN, UH, THEY ARE PROPOSING TO BUILD A, UH, SIX FOOT HIGH PRIVACY FENCE FROM THE CORNER OF THEIR HOUSE WHERE THE PORCH, UH, WHERE THE PORCH, UH, OR I'M SORRY, THE DECK STARTS AND THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE ENDS, UH, OUT LIKE AT A 45 DEGREE ANGLE TO MEET AT THE END OF THE EXISTING MASONRY PIER AND, UH, PICKET FENCE.
AND THEN THAT FENCE WILL CONTINUE ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE, UH, BACK TO, UH, THE POINT AT WHICH IT, UM, MEETS THE PLANE OF THEIR, THE FRONT OF THE SHED THAT'S BACK THERE.
AND THERE'S ALREADY A SMALL FENCE THERE, UM, OR A SHORT PIECE OF SIX FOOT HIGH FENCE THERE.
UH, AND THAT'S INDICATED WITH THIS NOTE HERE ON THE LEFT SIX FOOT HIGH PAINTED PRIVACY FENCE, UH, A NEW CREPE MYRTLE.
UH, AND THEN WE'LL KEEP GOING TO BACK HERE.
WE'RE GONNA GO AROUND THE SITE.
THE EXISTING PICKET FENCE BEHIND THAT WILL STAY, UH, THEY'RE GOING TO ADD SOME, UH, THREE TREES BACK HERE, RED MAPLE AND WEEPING WILLOW, ANOTHER RED MAPLE ON THE RIGHT NEW FLOWER BED ALONG THE, UH, RIGHT SIDE.
UH, ANOTHER, ANOTHER TREE AT CREEK MYRTLE.
AND THEN THE, ACROSS THE PLANE OF THE FRONT OF THE SHED AT THE BACK WILL BE ADDING A NEW FOUR FOOT HIGH ALUMINUM FENCE FROM THE SHED OVER TO THE NORTHERN, UH, BOUNDARY AND FENCE.
THAT'S OVER THE EXISTING FENCE THAT'S OVER THERE.
UH, SOME MORE NEW FLOWER BEDS ALONG THAT SIDE.
AND THEN THEY'RE ALSO, UH, REFRESHING, SO TO SAY, THE GRAVEL IN THE, UH, DRIVEWAY.
UH, AND THEY'RE ADDING A NEW WOOD GATE ACROSS THE DRIVEWAY, UH, STARTING AT THE END OF THE EXISTING SIX FOOT HIGH WOOD FENCE.
THERE'S A PHOTO OF THIS, UH, COMING UP.
UH, AND THAT PRETTY MUCH SUR UH, UM, SUMMARIZES THE, UH, PROJECT.
UM, SEE SOME MORE DETAILS HERE.
ALRIGHT, SO THAT'S OUR ORIENTATION OF THE PROJECT.
A LOT OF DIFFERENT, A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO, UH, THE PHOTOGRAPHS SHOW STARTING UPPER LEFT.
THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
UM, AND A, UH, NEW TREE, A NEW CREPE MYRTLE, I BELIEVE IT IS, IS GOING IN THIS FRONT YARD, UH, ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
UM, UH, I DON'T REMEMBER IF THERE WAS ONE THERE.
THEN THIS IS OUR DRIVEWAY AND THIS IS THE END OF THE, UH, WOODEN FENCE.
AND THERE WILL BE THE GATE THAT WILL, AND, YOU KNOW, PIECES OF FENCE AND THEN THE GATE PIECE OF FENCE ON EACH SIDE AND THE GATE ACROSS.
AND WE'LL SEE A DRAWING OF THAT.
THAT'S WHAT THE FENCE LOOKS LIKE WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT STRAIGHT ON.
AND THIS IS FROM, IF YOU GO THROUGH THAT CONTINUE OF THE DRIVEWAY, UH, AND LOOK BACK AT THE STREET, UM, THIS IS THE DRIVEWAY THERE AND THE BACKSIDE OF THE HOUSE ON THAT SIDE.
UH, AND THEN IF WE GO TO THE TOTAL OTHER SIDE OF THE, UM, HOUSE, NO, IT'S ALL DISORIENTED HERE.
SO LOOKING FROM THE STREET, UH, THE OWNERS, UM, UH, PROJECT IS ON THIS RIGHT SIDE.
THEIR HOUSE IS ON THE RIGHT, UH, AND THEY'RE PROPOSING TO PUT A FENCE ALONG THIS, UH, BRICK WALL HERE, WHICH BELONGS TO
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THE NEIGHBOR.THEY'LL BE REMOVING THIS, UH, 45 DEGREE PICKET FENCE.
UH, AND THEY'LL BE STARTING THAT FENCE ON THE NEXT PHOTOGRAPH.
THIS IS THAT END OF THE HOUSE AND THE BEGINNING OF THE DECK CORNER.
AND SO WHERE THIS BUSH IS APPARENTLY WILL BE REMOVED, UH, OR SO IT SEEMS, SO THAT THE FENCE CAN GO FROM THAT CORNER TO THIS, UM, END OF THE BRICK WALL AND START THERE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OR ON THEIR PROPERTY.
UH, AND THEN THAT FENCE, LIKE I SAID, GOES GOING BACK TO THE PREVIOUS ONE, GOES BACK ALONG THIS, UH, BRICK WALL THROUGH THE, WHERE THIS BUSH IS HERE AND GOES ALL THE WAY BACK TO THIS IS NOW ON THE RIGHT, THIS IS THE FRONT FACE OF THAT SHED.
AND THIS IS THAT SIX FOOT HIGH PRIVACY FENCE I SAID WAS ALREADY THERE.
AND SO THAT WILL BE COMING ALONG AND MEETING UP WITH THAT.
SO THAT'S THAT SIX FOOT HIGH NEW SIX FOOT HIGH PRIVACY FENCE.
THEN, UH, ON THE BACK, THIS IS THE CURRENT, UH, UH, DRIVEWAY WILL BE REFRESHED WITH SOME NEW GRAVEL.
AND THEN ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE BACK OF THE HOUSE IS THE DECK.
AND THE DECK, UH, WILL HAVE A NEW, UH, TRELLIS OVER IT.
AND YOU CAN SEE, UH, THAT THE DECK ACTUALLY HAS THESE 1, 2, 3, 4 POSTS HERE.
AND THEY WILL BE ADDING LOUVERS IN THE SPACE BETWEEN, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY WERE USED BEFORE.
I'M GONNA MAKE THIS BIGGER BECAUSE THAT'S WAY TOO SMALL TO UNDERSTAND.
UM, THERE'S ALREADY SOME, UH, LIKE BAMBOO PANEL IN HERE AND THEN THE OPEN SPACE MIGHT HAVE BEEN A CURTAIN OR SOMETHING IN THERE.
SO, UH, SO THERE WERE THREE SPACES.
I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO FILL THE FIRST TWO WITH THE PRIVACY LOUVERS.
ALL RIGHT, SO THERE'S OUR SITE PLAN AGAIN, GONNA MOVE OVER AND THIS IS NOW AN ELEVATION OF THE BACK SHOWING THAT DECK AND THE, UH, SIDE OR END OF THE TRELLIS, UH, ABOVE.
AND THEY'RE ALSO ADDING A, UM, FENCE ON THE DECK FOR A GATE, A GATE ACTUALLY.
UH, SO THEN THE FENCE FOR THE DRIVEWAY IS THIS, IT'S BASICALLY A PRI SIX FOOT HIGH PRIVACY FENCE AND HINGED WITH A THREE FOOT SWING ON THE LEFT AND A SEVEN FOOT SWING ON THE RIGHT.
THEN THIS IS AN, A RENDERING OF THE ALUMINUM FENCING FOR THE BACKYARD.
AND THEN, UH, THE GRAVEL WILL HAVE METAL EDGING AS IS REQUIRED, UH, THAT IT GRAVEL MUST HAVE EDGING AND PARTICULATES WITH A FEW DIFFERENT MATERIALS ALLOWED AS EDGING.
UH, AND THEN HERE FINALLY NOW WE SEE THE, UH, THE LOUVERS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN UH OH, I SEE.
UM, SO YOU'RE REMOVING THE, THE FOUR POSTS OR AT LEAST THREE OF 'EM AND, UM, ADDING TWO NEW POSTS, UH, FOR, TO HOLD UP THE TRELLIS AND THEN SPAN BETWEEN THOSE WITH THESE LUS.
I WAS WONDERING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED, WHAT ABOUT THAT LITTLE SPACE THERE? OKAY, SO, UH, AND I THINK THAT'S IT, RIGHT? YES.
SO THAT'S IT FOR THE DRAWINGS.
UH, AND SO THE Z AND I FORM HAS THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR SAYS THAT IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE AND THE ZONING PERMIT WILL BE REQUIRED.
AND SHE BUILDING INSPECTOR SAYS THAT WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT, I GUESS FOR THE DECK AND THE TRELLIS, I MEAN THE TRELLIS.
UM, AND THEN WE'RE READY WITH OUR REPORT.
ARE THERE ANY OPPONENTS OR PROPONENTS OF THE PROJECT THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE, WE'RE READY FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO, UH, THIS IS PROJECT FOR TOM, TOM JAMES AND SARAH LERACH.
AND THE PROJECT ADDRESS IS 7 0 7 EAST FRONT STREET.
UH, THIS IS ACTUALLY THE FORMER ST.
CYPRIAN'S RECTORY AND WAS MOVED TO THE SITE WHICH WAS BUILT IN 1800 TO 1900 VARIOUS, UH, REVISIONS AND THEN MOVED IN 1991 TO THIS PARTICULAR SITE.
UM, IT IS CONSIDERED TO BE A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE AND THE NATIONAL REGISTRY INVENTORY, UH, FROM 2003 SAYS IT WAS MOVED FROM 6 0 6 JOHNSON STREET IN 1991 AND DESCRIBES THE BUILDING TO, UH, INCLUDE TWO STORIES,
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L PLAN, TWO BAYS WIDE TALL BAY WINDOW, RIGHT OF THE ENTRANCE PORCH, AND TWO STORY REAR EDITION AND GABLE ROOFS.SO THE SANDECK DESCRIPTION, UM, WAS DESCRIBED WAS WRITTEN IN 1988.
SO IT WAS WRITTEN, UM, WHERE, WHEN IT WAS AT ITS FORMER LOCATION.
SO THERE'S NOTHING RELEVANT TO THIS APPLICATION BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DECK AND THE YARD FOR THE MOST PART.
SO, UH, 7 0 7 EAST FRONT STREET IS TO INCLUDE A NEW TRELLIS ON THE EXISTING DECK.
LUBERT SCREENS ON THE EXISTING SCREEN STRUCTURE.
SO THAT'S NOT EXACTLY CORRECT, UH, ON A MODIFIED EXISTING SCREEN STRUCTURE, A NEW GATE ACROSS THE DRIVEWAY, NEW FENCING ALONG THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY, ALL ON THE SECONDARY A, B, C, AND RE ADDING GRAVEL TO THE DRIVEWAY IN THE TERTIARY.
A B, C STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT PRINCIPLES AND DESIGN STANDARDS THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR LANDSCAPING.
2.4 0.3 FOR FENCES AND GARDEN WALLS, 2.5 0.1 AND THREE FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, 2.6 0.1 AND THREE.
PARKING, 2.7 0.12 AND FOUR FOR MODIFICATIONS, 3.1 AND TWO FOR METALS.
5.3 0.4 AND FOR PAINT, 5.4, 0.23 AND FOUR.
STATEMENTS OF FACT BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION ARE ONE, THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE IS LOCATED IN THE TIGHT WE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
THE PROJECT IS MODIFICATIONS TO A REAR DECK, FENCING AND DRIVEWAY MATERIAL.
THREE OF THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN STANDARDS.
THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
AND FIVE, THE APPLICATION IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
SO THE HBC MAY WANT TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
REVISED PLANS ACCORDING TO THE CHANGES AGREED UPON AT THE HEARING SHALL BE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT TO THE HPC STAFF FOR APPROVAL ACCORDING TO THE GUIDELINES AND PRIOR TO THE FINAL INSPECTION BY THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DIVISION.
SO WHEN OUR REPORT ALRIGHT, DISCUSSION.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? JIM, DID COMMISSIONER SULLIVAN NOT GET A LETTER? DID YOU NOT GET A LETTER AS A NEARBY PROPERTY? I DID.
DOES THAT AUTOMATICALLY MEAN SHE SHOULD BE EXCLUDED? SHE GOT A DOES NOT GOT A LETTER.
IT, IT DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY MEAN THAT IF, IF MS. SULLIVAN HAS NOT, UM, HAD ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT OR HAS NOT FORMED AN OPINION, UM, ABOUT THE APPLICATION PRIOR TO THE ADMISSION OF EVIDENCE, SHE CAN PARTICIPATE IN YOUR DELIBERATIONS AS WELL.
SO JUST TO ASK MS. SULLIVAN, UM, HAVE YOU HAD ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT? UH, NO.
AND YOU'VE NOT FORMED AN OPINION ABOUT THE APPLICATION PRIOR TO THE PRE PRESENTATION OF EVIDENCE TONIGHT.
IS THERE ANY CONCERN IN YOUR MIND ABOUT WHETHER YOU CAN FAIRLY MAKE A DECISION ON THIS APPLICATION BASED ON THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED TO THE BOARD? HER ANSWER WAS NO.
I HEARD NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THEN.
UH, TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION WE APPROVE.
UM, JUST, JUST A QUESTION SPECIFICALLY, THE LOUVERS DO NOT MOVE.
YOUR PICTURE SHOWS MOVABLE BUT THEY'RE FIXED.
WE FILE THE APPLICATION FOR, EXCUSE ME, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR ADDRESS IS 7 7 7 0 7 7 0 7 EAST FRONT STREET TO BE NOT IN CONGRESS WITH NEW BERN'S CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTION 15 411 AND 15 429 AND NEW BERN'S HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT LANDSCAPING 2.43 FENCES AND GARDEN WALLS 2.5 AND THREE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, 2.6 0.1 AND THREE, PARKING 2.7 0.2 AND FOUR MODIFICATIONS, THREE POINT AND TWO METALS THREE, 5.3 0.4, PAINT 5.23 AND FOUR.
AND FINDINGS OF FACT THE PROPOSED STRUCTURES LOCATED IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, THE PROPOSED MODIFICATION IS A TO A REAR DECK FENCING AND DRIVEWAY MATERIAL.
THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN STANDARDS AND THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY, THE APPLICATION IS NOT IN CONGRESS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
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DON'T BELIEVE THERE WERE ANY CLARIFICATIONS.SECOND, MOVE AND SECOND TO WE APPROVED THE COA AS AS PRESENTED.
OPPOSED? HEARING NONE APPROVED MOTION TO ISSUE THE COA SECOND MOVE.
I'LL ASSUME THERE'S A MOVE AND A SECOND IN THERE.
OPPOSED? HEARING NONE WILL ISSUE THE COA.
[4.E. 403 E. FRONT ST. (Sudan Shriners’ Temple) – to include demolition of the entire building and redevelopment with a 2-story and 3-story expansion of the County Administration Building.]
OKAY, OUR NEXT ONE IS, UH, 4 0 3 EAST FRONT STREET SEDAN, SHRINER'S TEMPLE.SO, UM, FIRST OF ALL, UH, WE CAN START WITH, UH, THEY'VE SUBMITTED THEIR COMPLETE APPLICATION FORM HERE.
HOWEVER, THEY'RE STILL MISSING UH, TWO ITEMS, UM, THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR DEMOLITION, UH, APPLICATION.
UM, AND SO I THINK IN THE ABSENCE OF THAT, UH, WE MAY NEED TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM.
THE TWO ITEMS THAT ARE, DO YOU WANT ME TO SPELL OUT THE TWO ITEMS THAT ARE MISSING? GO DO THAT.
UM, FOR GUIDELINE, 6.4 0.4 UH, REQUIRES PREPARATION OF DRAWINGS AND PHOTOGRAPHICALLY DOCUMENT THE SITE PRIOR TO DEMOLITION.
SO WE HAVE PLENTY OF PHOTOGRAPHS.
UM, AND AT THE DESIGN REVIEW MEETING THEY DID SAY THEY HAD SOME, UH, ACCESS TO SOME OF THE OLD DRAWINGS.
UH, SO, UM, WE'D LIKE TO STILL GET THOSE.
UH, AND THEN, UH, FOR GUIDELINES, 6.4 0.5, UH, UH, TO THE REQUIREMENT IS TO NOTIFY PRESERVATION ORGANIZATIONS AND ALLOW FOR THE SALVAGE OF DESIGN COMPONENTS, ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES AND BUILDING MATERIALS.
SO FOR THAT WE REQUIRE AT LEAST JUST A COPY OF THE COMMUNICATION THAT WAS SENT TO THEM.
UM, WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED THAT EITHER, SO THOSE ARE TWO RELATIVELY MINOR THINGS THAT STILL NEED TO HAPPEN.
SO, UH, I THINK THE APPROPRIATE THING WOULD BE FOR US TO CONTINUE THIS UNTIL THE MAY MEETING.
IS THAT YOUR THOUGHT? THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE ASSUMING YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO, UH, PRODUCE OR SENT OR SUBMIT TO US THE DRAWINGS.
AND IF WHEN YOU ANSWER WHEN YOU ANSWER, PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE.
AND WAIT, UH, YOU ALSO WERE NOT SWORN IN CORRECT? 'CAUSE I THINK YOU CAME IN LATER.
SO YOU'LL NEED TO SWEAR 'EM IN.
DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO.
PRINT YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
THE UH, ONLY QUESTION IS THE PRESERVATION GROUPS.
DO YOU HAVE A SELECT LIST OF WHO WE NEED TO CONTACT? WE DON'T, BUT THERE ARE.
'CAUSE YOU'RE ONLY LOOKING FOR THE LETTER TO BE SENT.
I WASN'T SURE IF THAT WAS IN FOR TONIGHT.
YEAH, WE CAN'T, YEAH, WE CAN'T EXPECT SOME THIRD PARTY TO UH, GOOD ENOUGH.
AND SIR, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND STATING YOUR NAME AND YOUR RELATIONSHIP TO THE PROJECT.
UH, DAVID GRIFFIN WORK WITH OAKLEY COLLIER ARCHITECTS WE'RE THE, UH, ARCHITECTS FOR THE OWNERS ON THE PROJECT.
SO, SO, UH, BASED ON THAT, I'M GONNA ASK FOR A MOTION TO CONTINUE.
SO HE WAS GONNA ANSWER THE QUESTION.
OH, YOU'RE GONNA ANSWER THE QUESTION? THAT WAS REALLY AS THE PRESERVATION GROUPS I NEEDED TO CONTACT.
BECAUSE IF YOU GOT A SPECIFIC GROUP, I NEED TO MAKE SURE I GET A OH YEAH.
LETTER TO EACH ONE OF THEM IS WHAT I WAS AFTER.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE, WE CONTINUE THE HEARING FOR 4 0 3 EAST FRONT STREET TO THE NEXT HPC MEETING, WHICH WILL BE MAY 15TH AT 5:30 PM IN THIS BUILDING.
WE, THE, THE PURPOSE IS TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO UM, COM SUBMIT A COMPLETE APPLICATION TO COMPLETE THE APPLICATION.
AND MR. SHELLEY, CAN WE ALSO SEE IF THE SHIPPO INTENDS TO ACTUALLY VISIT THE SITE? UH, YES, I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THEM.
UM, UH, THEY HAVE NOT INDICATED THAT THEY WILL OR WON'T.
SO WE'D JUST LIKE TO KNOW I I CAN PRESS THEM AGAIN.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND MOVE.
WE CONTINUE THE, UH, APPLICATION PROCESS UNTIL, UH, MAY 15TH AT THE PROPER TIME AND PLACE, ET CETERA.
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OF STATE.UM, BE, BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHER ITEMS TO DISCUSS CONCERNING THE PROJECT.
UM, ONE, WE HAD A BRIEF DISCUSSION IN THE DESIGN REVIEW ABOUT THE POTENTIAL TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AS OPPOSED TO A PUBLIC MEETING.
AND I'LL DISTINGUISH WHAT THE DIFFERENCES ARE IN A MINUTE.
UH, FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, GIVEN THE NATURE OF THE PROJECT, LARGE STRUCTURE, PERHAPS IMPORTANT IN THE HISTORY OF THE COMMUNITY, GIVING MORE PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR ABOUT IT AND TO, UH, COME AND PROVIDE INPUT TO THE PROCESS.
THE, THE KEY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE A PUBLIC, UM, HEARING AND A PUBLIC MEETING SUCH WE HAVE TONIGHT, IS THAT IT WOULD BE BROADLY ADVERTISED IN THE MEDIA.
I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S ALREADY BEEN IN THE PAPER, BUT WE WOULD DO, THERE ARE MORE MEDIA CONTACTS THAT WOULD BE MADE BY MR. SHELLEY.
AND, UM, IT WOULD BE, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTICE THOUGH THAT THE STANDARD FOR MAKING COMMENTS AT THAT MEETING IS THE SAME AS AT THIS MEETING.
THAT IS THE INDIVIDUALS WHO COME AND SPEAK HAVE TO HAVE DEMONSTRATED THAT THEY HAVE A MATERIAL IMPACT BY THE COMPLETION OF THE DEMOLITION OF, OF THE BUILDING.
UM, SO THAT'S A DECISION, THAT'S AN OPTION THAT WE HAVE AS A BOARD.
AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS TAKE A MINUTE AND, AND JUST DISCUSS THAT AND DECIDE IF WE, IF THERE'S AN INTEREST IN MAKING IT A PUBLIC HEARING.
IT WOULD BE THE SAME AS THE, AS THE MEETING THAT WE WOULD HAVE IN MAY TO BE ON MAY 15TH.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE WOULD BE THE ADVERTISEMENT OF THE MEETING AND, AND POTENTIALLY THE, THE NUMBER OF COMMENTERS WE WOULD HAVE, AND OUR ATTORNEY WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT A LITTLE BIT ON THAT.
THE PROS AND CONS, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, AS YOU CONTEMPLATE WHETHER TO CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AT YOUR NEXT MEETING, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO BEAR IN MIND.
UM, ONE IS THE ISSUE OF NOTICE.
UM, THIS IS NOT A LEGISLATIVE HEARING, SO THERE'S NOT A STATUTORY PROCESS TO FOLLOW ABOUT HOW TO NOTICE WHO TO NOTICE FOR HOW LONG.
SO IF YOU'RE INCLINED TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING, YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO GIVE STAFF DIRECTION ABOUT HOW YOU INTEND TO NOTICE THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
THE OTHER THING THAT YOU WANT TO BEAR IN MIND IS THE ISSUE OF STANDING.
SO, AS YOU KNOW, UM, THIS IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCEEDING.
IT'S A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING.
AND ANYONE WHO WANTS TO PRESENT EVIDENCE MUST DEMONSTRATE THAT THEY HAVE STANDING, UM, OR THAT THEY HAVE SOME TYPE OF SPECIAL DAMAGE, UM, UNIQUE TO THEM OTHER THAN OTHER PEOPLE IN THE WORLD, TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT EVIDENCE TO YOU.
AND ANY EVIDENCE THEY OFFER MUST BE SUBSTANTIAL MATERIAL INCOMPETENT.
ONE CONCERN WITH CONDUCTING A PUBLIC HEARING IS THAT MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MAY COME AND THEY MAY NOT HAVE STANDING AND MAY BE CONFUSED AS TO WHY THEY HAVE BEEN INVITED TO COME TO A PUBLIC MEETING TO OFFER THEIR PUBLIC INPUT, BUT DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO OFFER EVIDENCE.
SO THAT'S ONE THING THAT YOU WANT TO BEAR IN MIND.
AND AS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC COME TO THE HEARING, UM, WHEN EACH SPEAKER COMES UP, YOU ALL WILL HAVE TO, AS THE TRIER OF FACT, DECIDE WHETHER THE SPEAKER HAS STANDING.
AS THINGS ARE GENERALLY, THERE'S A PRESUMPTION IN YOUR RULES OF PROCEDURE THAT IF YOU PROCEED TO LETTER AND YOU OWN PROPERTY WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET, THERE'S A PRESUMPTION THAT YOU HAVE STANDING WITH A PUBLIC HEARING THAT PRESUMPTION MAY OR MAY NOT APPLY 'CAUSE WE'RE NOTIFYING THE MASSES.
SO YOU ALL ARE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS LIVE ON TV.
AND THEN ASSUMING THE PERSON DOES HAVE STANDING, YOU THEN HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT WHETHER THE PERSON HAS COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL MATERIAL EVIDENCE TO PROVIDE.
AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MAY HAVE OPINIONS.
UM, BUT THAT DOES NOT SATISFY THE LEGAL STANDARD THAT YOU ALL HAVE TO APPLY IN THESE PROCEEDINGS.
SO THERE ARE LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO MISUNDERSTAND THIS PROCESS.
AND THEN YOU ALL ARE GONNA BE TASKED WITH EACH INDIVIDUAL SPEAKER HAVING TO MAKE THESE, THESE FINDINGS ESSENTIALLY BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT THEY PROVIDE.
ANOTHER THING THAT YOU WANT TO BEAR IN MIND IS IF A SPEAKER COMES TO PRESENT INFORMATION AND YOU'RE TRYING TO DETERMINE IF THEY HAVE, ASSUMING THEY HAVE STANDING, UM, SUBSTANTIAL MATERIAL, COMPETENT EVIDENCE TO PROVIDE, AFTER HEARING THEIR RECITATION OF THEIR EVIDENCE, YOU MAY DECIDE, UH, THAT EVIDENCE SHOULDN'T BE IN THE RECORD.
IT'S VERY HARD TO UNRING A BELL.
SO AT THAT POINT, YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROTECTING THE RECORD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROTECTING THE DUE PROCESS OF RIGHTS OF THE APPLICANT AND ALL THOSE INVOLVED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR, YOUR FINDINGS AND YOUR DECISION ON THE APPLICATION IS ONLY
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BASED ON COMPETENT EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD.NOT ANY OTHER INFORMATION THAT MIGHT BE PROVIDED BY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT OTHERWISE WOULD BE INADMISSIBLE.
SO THAT'S A LOT OF LEGAL WORDS TO SAY.
THERE ARE A LOT OF WAYS FOR, UM, MISTAKES TO BE MADE FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, AND YOU WANT TO BE VERY, VERY CAREFUL THAT YOU'RE NOT FALLING INTO, UM, CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE THE RECORD GETS CONFUSING.
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE CONFUSED.
UM, AND WE FIND OURSELVES IN A SITUATION WHERE WE MAY HAVE, UH, REVERSIBLE ERRORS OR APPEALABLE ISSUES.
SO WITH ALL THAT BEING SAID, THERE'S A LOT FOR YOU TO CONSIDER.
IF YOUR OBJECTIVE IS TO ENGAGE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, YOU MAY WANT TO BEAR IN MIND WHETHER THAT EXPECTATION MEETS THE STANDARDS THAT YOU ARE HELD TO AS QUASI-JUDICIAL FACT FINDERS.
COMMISSIONERS, YOU, YOU'VE HEARD THE DISCUSSION.
INITIALLY I HAD THOUGHT IT NEEDS THE PUBLICITY, BUT I THINK BY POSTPONING IT, AGAIN, WE MIGHT GET MORE PUBLICITY 'CAUSE OF THAT.
AND THEN I THINK THE REAL KEY IS THIS IS NOT A LEGISLATIVE HEARING.
LIKE THE ALDERMAN MAY HAVE TO FIND OUT WHAT DO PEOPLE THINK.
WE REALLY HAVE A VERY NARROW POPULATION THAT CAN PROVIDE EVIDENCE AS OPPOSED TO OPINION.
AND SO I'D SAY WE PROBABLY MET THE STANDARD THAT I WOULD SET FOR HAVING A REGULAR HEARING AT THE NEXT MEETING.
ANY OTHER OPINIONS? WELL, JUST, JUST A LITTLE HISTORY ON HOW WE, WE GOT TO THIS POINT.
UH, WHEN WE, UH, PUT TOGETHER THE RULES PROCEDURE AND REALLY DID A, A MAJOR UPDATE AND TRIED TO FILL IN A LOT OF THE BLANKS.
UH, JIM, YOU AND I, I THINK ARE THE ONLY TWO, UH, ON THIS BODY THAT WERE INVOLVED IN THAT IN, IN 2015.
UH, AND MORE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS WITH SCOTT WAS, UH, A WAY TO, TO ALLOW A LARGE, A LARGE IMPACTFUL PROJECT TO, TO GIVE THE, THE PUBLIC A CHANCE TO, UH, TO, UH, PARTICIPATE AT SOME LEVEL.
UH, IN, IN REALITY, BEFORE 2015, EVERY HEARING WE DID, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE QUASI-JUDICIAL, BUT IN FACT, WE WERE HAVING PUBLIC HEARINGS AND IT WAS KIND OF ANYONE WHO WANTED TO SHOW UP AND THROW UP TO PUT IT BLUNTLY COOKED.
SO WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME MECHANISMS THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO, TO OPEN THIS UP AND HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, WE'VE TRIED TO INCLUDE IN THE RULES OF PROCEDURE, THE BASICS OF, UH, COMPETENT MATERIALS, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE, WHAT THAT MEANS, UH, WE DON'T HAVE TO, FOR THE MOST PART, UH, SORT THROUGH, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S APPROPRIATE AND WHAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE IF EVERYONE IS, UH, TALKING IN TERMS OF THE GUIDELINES.
I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE A BAD IDEA.
I THINK IF WE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING, EVERYONE NEEDS TO COME PREPARED EV EVERYONE ON THE COMMISSION NEEDS TO COME PREPARED AND UNDERSTAND, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AND WHAT TESTIMONY WE WOULD ALLOW.
UH, WE DID HAVE A HANDOUT AT ONE TIME, A ONE PAGE HANDOUT THAT WE USED TO PROVIDE WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TO REALLY STRUCTURE THE HEARINGS, UH, ON WHAT IS ALLOWABLE AS FAR AS TESTIMONY IS CONCERNED.
AND PEOPLE FELL IN LINE PRETTY QUICKLY WITH THAT.
IT, DOES IT HAVE TO BE DURING THE HEARING IN MAY OR COULD IT BE A PART OF THE DESIGN REVIEW? UM, PRIOR TO THE HEARING, HERE'S MY CONCERN ABOUT ENTERTAINING PUBLIC COMMENTS AT DESIGN REVIEW.
UM, YOU WOULD BE RECEIVING, ESSENTIALLY EVIDENCE OUTSIDE OF A QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCEEDING.
AND I WOULD THINK THAT THE PURPOSE OF YOU RECEIVING PUBLIC COMMENT IS FOR YOU TO REFLECT UPON THAT INFORMATION AND MAKING A DETERMINATION AND REFLECT UPON RECEIVING AND REFLECTING ON THAT INFORMATION OUTSIDE OF AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SWORN TESTIMONY CREATES LOTS OF ISSUES.
AND, AND I'M GLAD MR. THOMPSON, THAT YOU BROUGHT UP THE, THE HISTORY OF THE GUIDELINES AND THE PROCEDURES THAT YOU ALL HAVE WORKED VERY HARD ON.
UM, AND I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH MR. DAVIS ABOUT THAT.
AND WHEN THESE PROCEDURES WERE MOST RECENTLY UPDATED IN 2015, SHORTLY THEREAFTER, THERE WAS A GREAT BIT OF CASE LAW THAT CAME OUT ON THE ISSUE OF STANDING.
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AT THE TIME THAT THESE PROCEDURES WERE IN PLACE, THE COURT OF APPEALS IN THE SUPREME COURT OF NORTH CAROLINA HAD NOT GIVEN US A GREAT DEAL OF INSTRUCTION ABOUT HOW WE DETERMINE WHO HAS THE LEGAL AUTHORITY TO OFFER EVIDENCE.AND NOW THAT WE HAVE THAT AUTHORITY, UM, AND IT'S ROBUST AND WE HAVE VERY, VERY NARROW WINDOWS ABOUT WHO IS IN A POSITION TO SPEAK, WE HAVE TO BEAR THAT IN MIND GOING FORWARD AND INTERPRET THE NORTH CAROLINA CASE LAW, UM, WITH THE, THE RULES OF PROCEDURE THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US.
AND OUR, OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE, UH, RELATING TO THE WORK SESSIONS SAYS THAT THE PUBLIC CANNOT COMMENT AT THE DESIGN REVIEW.
THAT'S, AND NO DECISIONS WOULD BE MADE THERE, CORRECT? YEAH.
SO IT'S, I I THINK, YOU KNOW, PUBLICITY I THINK WE CAN GET JUST WITH THE NORMAL ROUTINE OF WHAT PEOPLE DO ON THEIR OWN.
AND WE'VE HAD STORIES IN NEWBURN LIVE, I GUESS NEWBURN NOW.
I'LL LET OTHERS JUDGE, 'CAUSE I'M NOT ON FACEBOOK, BUT, UH, WELL, IT, IT, IT, IT WOULD BE A, UM, A MOTION TO MAKE AND AND APPROVE IF WE CHOOSE TO DO THAT.
DOES ANYONE HAVING HEARD THAT WISH TO MAKE A MOTION FOR IT FOR IT? WE DON'T NEED ONE AGAINST IT.
WE'LL GO AHEAD WITH A NORMAL, IF YOU WILL, MEETING ON THE 15TH TO HEAR THAT.
I WANT TO DISCUSS ONE OTHER ASPECT OF IT, HOWEVER, AND THAT IS, WE'VE HAD SOME GENERAL DISCUSSION IN THE DESIGN REVIEWS ABOUT WHAT WE RETAIN FROM THAT BUILDING IN ORDER TO HONOR THE PAST OF THAT BUILDING.
AND, AND WE'VE NEVER GOTTEN TO ANY SPECIFIC PLAN THERE.
AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AT THE DESIGN REVIEW WOULD BE YOUR PLANS IN TERMS OF, OF REPRESENTATION OF THE HISTORY OF THAT BUILDING WHEN IT IS GONE.
UM, THE, THE, THERE'S A WIDE RANGE OF OPPORTUNITIES, OBVIOUSLY, AND I'M SURE YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THEM, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE, UM, A PART OF THE FACADE.
IT COULD BE PIECES OF THE BUILDING, UH, IN PLACE OR IN ANOTHER PLACE.
UM, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THE DESIGN REVIEW IS WHAT, WHAT SPECIFICALLY YOU HAVE IN MIND AND WHAT'S THE PLAN.
AND YOU'RE TALKING ACTUAL SALVAGED ITEMS, NOT CURRENT DESIGN MIMICKING OR TAKING PIECES OF THE PREVIOUS DESIGN, LIKE THE, UH, THE BLACK RAIL FENCE.
YOU LOOK AT ITEMS LIKE THAT TO BE NOTED AND SALVAGED IN HOW WE WOULD SALVAGE IT.
LOOK AN EXAMPLE HERE, I GUESS, UH, WELL AN, AN EXAMPLE MIGHT BE THERE ARE SOME PARTICULAR PIECES OF THE BUILDING, SOME, SOME INSETS IN THE, IN THE STRUCTURE, THE SWORDS, THE KEYSTONE, THAT SORT OF THING.
WOULD YOU RETAIN THOSE THINGS AND HOW WOULD THEY BE USED IN SOME SORT OF MEMORIAL, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, ABOUT THE BUILDING? OR, OR IT COULD BE, WOULD YOU MAINTAIN PART OF THE FACADE OF THAT STRUCTURE SOMEHOW IN THE DESIGN? I KNOW THAT'S, I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE PLAN, BUT CORRECT.
UM, LIKE I SAID, IT'S A BIG QUESTION AND NOT AN EASY ANSWER.
THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE FOR THE NEXT MEETING WHERE WE'RE SEEKING, I'M GONNA CALL IT STEP ONE FOR DEMO, IF I'VE GOTTA RESOLVE SOME OF THOSE BEFORE THAT, THAT GETS A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED.
'CAUSE WE'RE THOUGH CONCEPTUALLY WE'RE HEADED DOWN THAT PATH.
THERE'S A LOT OF DETAILS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN RESOLVED YET YEAH.
SO, AND I, IF IF THAT'S PART OF THE NEXT MEETING, THEN WE'VE GOT, I'VE GOT A BIGGER CHALLENGE AHEAD OF ME TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
WOULD YOU BE IN A POSITION TO TALK THOSE IDEAS IN THE NEXT DESIGN REVIEW? YES.
IF IT'S A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT COULD BE NOT AN ABSOLUTE, DOES THAT MAKE, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO PRESENT AN ABSOLUTE AT THIS POINT ON SOMETHING WE MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO YET FOR OUR FUTURE DESIGN, I GUESS.
WELL, IN, IN, IN THE CASE, AND, AND I'M, I'M GONNA GO BACK TO TRENT COURT.
IN THAT CASE OF THAT DEMOLITION, WE REQUIRED THE RETENTION OF CERTAIN PIECES OF THOSE BUILDINGS.
WE DIDN'T DETAIL EXACTLY HOW THEY WOULD BE USED, BUT WE DID REQUIRE, SO CONCEPTUALLY, THAT'S THE KIND OF THING I'M SOME TYPE OF PIECE CARRIED OVER WHAT I'M THINKING ABOUT FOR YOU.
AND THE DESIGN REVIEW IS, IS REALLY TO, YOU KNOW, TO EXCHANGE IDEAS.
THE RUBBER HITS THE ROAD AT THIS MEETING, CORRECT? CORRECT.
THAT'S WHY I WAS BACK TO THE SALVAGE.
WE CAN THROW OUT IDEAS OF WHAT THE SALVAGE, BUT TO TELL YOU TODAY EXACTLY WHERE IT'S GOING IS SOMETHING I COULDN'T TELL YOU AT THE NEXT MEETING, MOST LIKELY.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SEEN IT, BUT IN MATT'S SUMMARY FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING, WHICH HE DIDN'T POST TILL TODAY, UM, THERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES FROM DURHAM WHERE
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SOMEBODY USED JUST A LITTLE BIT OF THE BRICK AT THE PARKING LOT AREA.THAT MIGHT JUST BE REMINISCENT OF OKAY.
I'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO IT.
AND I'LL HAVE TO GET IT SUBMITTED TO YOU FOR THE NEXT MEETING TO BE ON IN THE PACKET.
I GUESS I THOUGHT YOU DID MAKE SOME REFERENCE TO THE WINDOWS OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE AND THE, AND THE NEW STRUCTURE, NOT AS A REUSE OF THE WINDOW, NOT A REUSE, BUT YOU YES.
AS FAR AS A SCALE, FAR A PROFILE OF THE WINDOWS ALONG WITH THE STAIR TOWER.
I SAW THAT WE'RE KIND OF CONVEYING THAT IN THE NEW CONCEPT VERSUS THE OLD, BUT THAT'S, I'M ABOUT TO YOUR POINT, THAT'S A DIFFERENT SCENARIO THAN AN ACTUALLY SALVAGE PIECE FOR REUSE.
SO ONE IS A DESIGN REIN INTENT USED THE OTHER ONE'S COULD BE TAKE AN OBJECT AND SOMEHOW APPLIED INTO THE BUILDING.
WHICH IS WHY I WAS ASKING, KINDA LIKE, I KNOW THE BLACK FENCE WAS BROUGHT UP, NO IDEA WHERE THAT COULD FINALLY LAND, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE REUSED.
AND, AND BEFORE YOU DISAPPEAR ON THE AND, AND THE MISSING PIECES.
THE, AT THE DESIGN REVIEW, YOU, UH, SOMEONE AT, UH, FROM THE, THE BOARD OR THE COMMISSION, UH, SUGGESTED THAT YOU PROVIDE A MAP OF THE OVERLAY THAT SHOWS WHERE THE EXISTING BUILDING IS COMPARED TO LIKE OVERLAY DASHED LINES OR WHATEVER.
AS COMPARED TO WHAT, HOW I ADD THAT TO THE NEW CONSTRUCTION.
AND THAT MIGHT HELP THAT DISCUSSION.
SO THE PUBLIC, NO PUBLIC OPEN PUBLIC HEARING, CORRECT.
A REGULAR PUBLIC MEETING, REGULAR MEETING, JUST LIKE THIS.
[4.F. 806 E. FRONT ST. – to include a new 2-story infill house.]
OKAY, WE'RE READY FOR 8 0 6 SEAT.MY COMPUTER JUST DECIDED TO GO ON BREAK.
8 0 6 EAST FRONT STREET, UH, FOR JAMES AND MANNING.
KING GARY KINGERY, KING GARY KINGERY.
UH, AND MS. A AFL IS THERE, UH, AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE AND AGAIN, FILLED OUT, UH, ALL THE APPROPRIATE SECTIONS WITH THE APPROPRIATE INFORMATION.
AND SHE'S SIGNED AND DATED AND SHE IS HERE WITH THE AUTHORIZED, UM, REPRESENTATIVE, I GUESS.
UH, SO THIS IS FOR THE, A NEW HOUSE AT, UH, RIVER STATION.
LEMME UM, AND THIS WILL BE ADJACENT TO ONE OF THE E EXISTING ONES.
UM, AND, UH, IT IS ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET THAT'S ALONG THE RIVER.
UM, SO, AND OVERLOOKING THE, THE, THE MARINA.
THESE ARE THE TWO HOUSES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE.
AND SO, UH, THE PROPOSED HOUSE WILL BE TO THE RIGHT OF THIS HOUSE ON THE RIGHT, UH, APPROXIMATELY THE SAME DISTANCE AWAY, APPROXIMATELY THE SAME KIND OF SIZE.
UH, AND THERE ARE SOME OTHER SHOTS OF WHAT THE CONDITION IS AT THE MOMENT.
AND THEN FROM THE REAR SIDE, UH, SO NOW IT WOULD BE ON THIS VACANT LOT TO THE LEFT.
AND THIS IS A VIEW DOWN THAT, UH, WALKWAY ALONG THAT ALLEY.
AND ANOTHER LOOKING THE OTHER WAY, LOOKING SOUTH.
ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS NOW THE SITE PLAN SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS ONE.
UM, THIS IS THE HOUSE HERE AT THE BOTTOM.
SO ON THIS ONE, WHAT WE SEE IS THE, UH, UH, UM, FRONT STEPS COME OUT TO A SIDEWALK OR A WALKWAY THAT CONNECTS TO THE SIDEWALK.
UM, WE HAVE, UH, THE TRASH, UH, UM,
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ENCLOSURE HERE, WHICH WILL END UP HAVING THE HVAC UNIT ON TOP, UH, AND THAT THE BUILDING FITS WITHIN THE, UM, UH, PRE-ORDAINED, UM, BUILDING ENVELOPE.UM, THIS DOESN'T ACTUALLY SHOW THE DRIVEWAY FROM THE, FROM THE PARKING AREA OUT TO THE ALLEY.
UH, I MIGHT SEE IF IT'S THERE ON THE FLOOR PLAN.
SO, UM, GOING BEYOND THAT, UH, AT THE FRONT DOOR, THE, THE STAIRWAYS HAVE THIS FLARED SHAPE AND, UH, UH, YOU ENTER COMING UP, UH, 10, 10 STAIRS UP TO THE FRONT PORCH, UH, WHICH LEADS, UH, TO ESSENTIALLY A LANDING AREA, WHICH HAS AN ENTRY AND A CLOSET.
BUT THEN FROM THERE, UH, YOU EITHER GO UP SOME STEPS TO THE FIRST FLOOR OR YOU GO DOWN STEPS TO THE BASEMENT BELOW.
UH, AND SO WHAT WE SEE THEN IN THE REST OF THIS PLAN IS THE, THE BASEMENT, THE GARAGE, UH, AND THE, UH, ENTRANCE TO THE ELEVATOR AND SOME STORAGE AND A COUPLE OF DOORS ON EACH SIDE.
HERE IS ACTUALLY THE, UM, TRASH ENCLOSURE.
UH, AND THEN, UM, ALSO NOTICE THAT THE COLUMNS ARE QUITE SUBSTANTIAL HERE, AND THAT, UH, SUSPECT HAS TO DO WITH THE FLOOD REQUIREMENTS.
UM, ALSO IN THIS CORNER, THIS ROUND PIZZA PIE THING IS ACTUALLY A SPIRAL STAIRWAY.
AND SO IT STARTS HERE AT, UM, GROUND LEVEL HERE AND SPIRALS UP TO THE FIRST FLOOR.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE THERE? NOTHING ELSE THERE.
UH, THEN THE NEXT ONE THOUGH, THE FIRST FLOOR.
SO REMEMBER WE WENT UP THE STEPS FROM BE FROM THE LANDING AREA, SO TO SAY, AND COME UP TO A DOORWAY AND THEN ENTER INTO THE HOUSE AT THE, WHERE THE ELEVATOR NOW ALSO COMES OUT INTO THIS ENTRY HALL.
UH, AND FROM THERE YOU CAN GO UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR OR YOU CAN CONTINUE THROUGH THE HOUSE.
SO WE HAVE ALL THESE VARIOUS WINDOWS ALONG THIS SIDE, AND THE WINDOWS ALONG THE OTHER SIDE WE MAY BE TALKING ABOUT OR NOT.
AND THEN ON THE BACK IS THE COVERED DECK, UH, OVERLOOKING THE RIVER.
AND THE, UH, METAL STAIRWAY HAS NOW COME ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP, UH, AND, UH, TO ACCESS FROM THE GROUND NEXT.
ALL RIGHT, SO THEN THE SECOND FLOOR, THE ONLY RELEVANT THING HERE IS OF COURSE THE VARIOUS WINDOWS, BUT THE, UH, COM THE COVERED DECK HERE AS WELL.
SO WE HAVE TWO DECKS ON THE BACKSIDE.
SO LOOKING AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE ON THE LEFT, WE HAVE THE STAIRWAY WE WERE MENTIONING, AND THE FRONT PORCH, AND THEN THE, UH, WINDOW HERE AT THAT LANDING, UH, AREA.
UH, AND THIS HAS A METAL ROOF OVER TOP OF IT, SO IT'S A POP-OUT, UM, SPACE.
UH, AND THEN, UH, THE SE THERE'S ACTUALLY A, I FORGOT TO MENTION, THERE IS A BALCONY ON THE SECOND FLOOR, UH, ON TOP OF THE FRONT PORCH.
SO, UH, AND THE PARTICULARS FOR THIS, UH, DESIGN ENTAILS THAT IT INCLUDES THIS, UH, KIND OF DECORATIVE PANELS HERE FOR THE, UH, CHANGE IN FLOOR HEIGHTS.
UM, SO OTHER THAN THAT, WE HAVE SOME, UH, RECTANGULAR WINDOWS AND THESE HIP ROOFS HERE, INSTEAD OF GABLE ROOFS.
THIS DESIGN HAS HIP ROOFS, UH, AND WE HAVE THE, UH, CEMENT BOARD SHINGLES AND THE ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLES FOR THE ROOFING.
NOW ON THE RIGHT IS THE, UM, THE REAR OF THE HOUSE AND THE GARAGE DOORS ARE TUCKED UNDERNEATH.
UM, UH, NO, IF YOU REMEMBER THE, UH, THERE WAS ACTUALLY PRETTY MUCH A COVERED PATIO, UH, DRIVEWAY, COVERED DRIVEWAY, UM, OUT THERE.
UM, SO, UH, GOT OUR TWO DECKS UP HERE, OUR SPIRAL STAIRWAY ON THE RIGHT, THE, UM, TRASH ENCLOSURE AND HVAC ON THE LEFT.
THE TWO LITTLE HOOD HOOD ROOFS, UH, OVER THE TWO SIDE DOORS ARE SHOWN HERE AS WELL.
AND WE ALSO NEED TO, UM, VERIFY THE, UH, FLOOR HEIGHTS FOR THIS.
SO THE VERY SEA LEVEL BEING THE VERY BOTTOM AND 11 FEET TO THE, UM, TO THE FIRST FLOOR LANDING AREA.
UH, AND THEN ANOTHER THREE FOOT EIGHT FOR A TOTAL OF, UM, FOUR 14 FOOT
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EIGHT INCHES.I'M SORRY, LEMME HAVE ANOTHER.
SO IT'S 10 FOOT TWO INCHES TOTAL TO THE FIRST FLOOR.
IT'S 10 FOOT TWO PLUS THE SIX, SO 16 FEET.
AND THEN, UM, THAT'S THE SAME THROUGHOUT THE HOUSE TO THE BACK AS WELL.
SO THE, UH, SIDE ELEVATION, UM, THE DESIGN HAD THE, THE ENTRANCE, THE FRONT ENTRANCE IS ON THE RIGHT HERE.
SO THESE ARE BRICK STEPS AND UH, WE HAVE METAL RAILING, UH, FOR THAT.
AND THEN, UH, WE CAN SEE NOW THE ELEVATIONS OF THE HOOD ROOFS ON THE SIDE AND SIDE VIEW OF THE BACK, UH, DECKS AND BALCONIES ON THE BACK.
UM, SO TO NOTE HERE, THIS DESIGN HAS MANAGED TO FIND A WAY TO AVOID HAVING, UH, SAY AN EIGHT FOOT HIGH FOUNDATION WALL, UH, BY BRINGING THE SIDING ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THAT FIRST LEVEL WHERE THE, UM, THAT LANDING AREA AND THE FRONT PORCH ARE AND HAS CARRIED THAT SIDING ALL THE WAY AROUND.
EVEN THOUGH BEHIND THIS IS THE GARAGE IS ACT, THE GARAGE CEILING IS ACTUALLY MUCH HIGHER.
SO THAT'S ACTUALLY A VERY GOOD, INTERESTING, UH, WAY TO HANDLE THAT.
THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE, NOW THIS IS THE ONE, UM, FACING THE EMPTY, EMPTY LOT AT THE MOMENT.
AND SO SIMILAR KIND OF, UH, FEATURES ON THE SIDE, UH, AND THE IN BETWEEN THE PIERS WE HAVE LOUVERS.
UM, SO, AND WE HAVE THE DETAILS ABOUT THE, UH, THE HANDRAILS, UM, WHERE THOSE BALLISTERS ARE CENTERED BETWEEN THE TOP RAIL AND THE BOTTOM RAIL.
AND THEN THE, UH, IRON RAILING.
UH, ALSO A DETAIL FOR THAT AS WELL.
THAT WHOLE, THOSE ARE ALSO CENTERED.
UH, AND THERE'S THE NOTE THERE THAT THEY'RE SPACED AT A THREE INCH MAXIMUM.
ALRIGHT, SO THEN, UH, WE HAVE OUR ZONING AND INSPECTIONS AND, UH, YOU CAN PROBABLY GUESS WHAT EVERYTHING IS GONNA SAY HERE.
SO THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, UM, HAS SAID THAT A ZONING PERMIT WILL BE REQUIRED AND THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR THAT A BUILDING AND FLOODPLAIN DEVELOPMENT PERMITS ARE REQUIRED, UM, IN THIS CASE, ENSURE THAT COASTAL A ZONE REQUIREMENTS ARE MET.
AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH A LITTLE BIT OF WAVE ACTION, WHICH IS PROBABLY WHY THOSE COLUMNS ARE SO SUBSTANTIAL.
SO OTHER THAN THAT, READY FOR THE, UH, UH, SARAH, ANY COMMENTS? NO.
ANY UH, PROPONENTS OR OPPONENTS OF THE PROJECT PRESENT WHO WISH TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE.
YOU READY FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATION? SURE.
SO, UM, THIS IS FOR, UH, JAMES AND MANNING.
DID I GET THAT RIGHT? KINGERY, UH, AND SARAH LERACH AT 8 0 6 EAST FRONT STREET.
UH, THERE IS NO HISTORIC PROPERTY THERE, SO NONE OF THAT APPLIES.
SO THE PROJECT IS TO INCLUDE A NEW TWO STORY INFILL HOUSE.
THE STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT PRINCIPLES AND DESIGN STANDARDS THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR DEVELOPMENT PATTERN 2.1 AND THREE, FREE UTILITIES, 2.3 0.12 AND SIX FOR LANDSCAPING, 2.4 0.2 AND THREE DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1 AND TWO AND FOUR.
INFILL CONSTRUCTION, 3.4, 1, 2, 3, AND FOUR FOR FOUNDATIONS, 4.2 3, 4 5, AND SIX.
UH, FOR WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION, 4.4 FOR WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS.
4.3 0.2 AND THREE FOR ENTRANCES, 4.44 FOR ROOF.
5.5 FOR METALS, 5.3 0.3 AND FOUR FOR PAINT.
4.5, 0.4, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR FOR CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS.
5, 5, 2, 3, 5, AND SIX FOR STATEMENTS OF FACT, UH, BASED ON INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION ARE ONE, THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE IS LOCATED IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
TWO, THE PROJECT IS AN INFILL HOUSE.
AND NO, IT'S NOT AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, JUST AN INFILL HOUSE.
PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT STANDARDS
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FOR THE ZONING.ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
AND FIVE, THE APPLICATION IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES AND THE HBC MAY WANT TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
UH, ONE TO REVISE FOR REVISED PLANS ACCORDING TO THE CHANGES AGREED UPON AT THE HEARING SHOULD BE SHALL BE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT TO THE HBC STAFF APPROVAL ACCORDING TO THE GUIDELINES AND PRIOR TO THE FINAL INSPECTION BY THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DIVISION.
AND TWO, A LANDSCAPING AND OR TERRACING PLAN THAT MINIMIZES THE VISUAL IMPACT OF THE TALL FOUNDATION WALLS SHALL BE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT TO THE HPC STAFF FOR APPROVAL ACCORDING TO THE GUIDELINES AND PRIOR TO THE FINAL INSPECTION BY THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DIVISION.
OKAY, ANYTHING ELSE, SARAH? OKAY, DISCUSSION WA WAS THERE ONE HORIZONTAL WINDOW IN THERE? DID I, DID I SEE? OH, MAYBE.
OR THERE APPEAR TO BE, OH, MAYBE DON'T THINK SO.
ONE OF THE ENDS, YEAH, ON THE INTERVIEWS.
I HAD TO FIND SOMETHING TO ASK, BUT IS THERE A, WHAT WHAT'S THE FENCING AROUND THE AIR CONDITIONING UNITS? YEP.
WHAT'S THAT? WOOD? WELL, THERE'S NOT REALLY FENCING AROUND THE AIR CONDITIONING UNITS ITSELF.
THEY'RE JUST GOING TO BE, BE SCREENED WITH PLANTING PLANTS.
AND THAT'S ON THE, UH, UM, SITE PLAN.
SO, UH, GARBAGE CANS GO UNDERNEATH THERE AND, UM, OKAY.
HE'S IDENTIFIED THE HORIZONTAL WINDOW.
IT'S THE ONE UPPER RIGHT HERE, THE ONE BELOW HORIZONTAL WINDOW.
THERE'S A MILLION IN BETWEEN THERE.
AND ON THE PLAN THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE, I THINK THERE ARE 2 0 2 OHS.
SO THEY DON'T LOOK AT, IT LOOKS LIKE ONE WINDOW THAT THAT, WELL, IT HAS, HAS THIS, UH, IF YOU YEAH.
SO, UH, AND MAYBE IF THE TRIM, WE COULD MAKE THE TRIM YEAH.
TO MAKE THE TRIM APPEAR THAT IT WAS TWO WINDOWS.
SO IT'S TWO SEPARATE, BUT ALSO CHECK BECAUSE IT EVEN, SO THE, THE, THE GLASS EVEN LOOKS A LITTLE BIT RECTANGULAR, BUT WELL, OKAY.
BUT RICHARD, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT THERE TOO? NO.
WELL, HE, HE WAS SUGGESTING THAT MAYBE THIS ONE DOWN ON THE SECOND, ON THE FIRST FLOOR, UM, ALSO HAS THAT ISSUE.
BUT AGAIN, IF YOU USE THE, IS THAT A KITCHEN WINDOW? THE TRIM TO ESTABLISH THEM AS SEPARATE WINDOWS, THEN YEP.
'CAUSE I THINK I REMEMBERED SEEING THAT ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO.
IT WAS, IT WAS A GHOST OF TRIP.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR THOUGHTS? OKAY, HEARING NONE WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN WILL LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UM, THAT WE FIND THE APPLICATION OR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR 8 8 6 8 0 6 EAST FRONT STREET TO BE NOT IN CONGRESS WITH ER'S.
CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTIONS 15 DASH FOUR 11 TO 15 DASH 4 29 ER'S.
HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING, SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACTS.
UM, APPLICABLE GUIDELINES, DEVELOPMENT PATTERN 2.1, 0.1, 2.13.
UTILITIES 2.31, 2.3 0.2 2.3 0.6.
DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, 0.1 3.1 0.2, 3.4 IN HILL CONSTRUCTION, 3.4 0.1 3.4 0.2 3.4 0.3 3.4 0.4 FOUNDATIONS, FOUR POINT 0.4.
4.4 0.6 WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION.
4.4 WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS.
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0.2.FINDINGS OF FACT, THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE IS IN A TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
THE PROJECT IS AN INFILL HOUSE.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF ACCESSORY STRUCTURES REALLY APPLY TO THAT.
UH, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, THE HISTORIC DESIGN STANDARDS ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THE PROJECT AND MADE COMMENTS.
AND THE APPLICATION IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
UH, THERE WAS NOT A LANDSCAPING PLAN WITH THIS.
SO, UH, THE HPC STAFF WILL, WILL, UH, WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON THAT.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WERE ANY REVISIONS TO THE APPLICATION THAT WAS PROPOSED.
THE WINDOWS, UH, THE WINDOWS, THE HORIZONTAL WINDOW WILL HAVE FRAMING.
HORIZONTAL WINDOW WILL HAVE, UH, FRAMING TO APPEAR AS SEPARATE WINDOWS.
SECOND, WE APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS NOTED.
OPPOSED? HEARING NONE APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS.
SECOND, SECOND MOVEMENT AND SECOND TO APPROVE OR ISSUE THE COA ALL IN FAVOR OF STATE.
I THINK THAT COMPLETES THE APPLICATION, RIGHT? THAT'S ALL.
SO, YES, BECAUSE THE LAST ONE WAS, UH, REMOVED FROM THE AGENDA.
I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY OLD BUSINESS.
ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS FROM THE FAST DISAPPEARING PUBLIC? APPARENTLY NOT.
UM, NEW BUSINESS HEARING? NONE.
[8. HPC ADMINISTRATOR’S REPORT A. REPORT ON MAJOR COAS ISSUED – 3/08/2024 to 4/03/2024 207 Pollock St. – remove exterior stairway, new addition 217 Hancock St. – rear addition 217 Middle St. – storefront remodel 221 S. Front St. – Approval of Condition 1 of Amended CoA for landscaping 302 Avenue A – Extension of CoA for a new garage 506 Craven St. – rear modifications, new driveway 715 E. Front St. – Extension of CoA for demolition and infill redevelopment B. REPORT ON MINOR COAS ISSUED - 3/08/2024 to 4/03/2024 511 E. Front St. – close 1 side window, create 2 new side windows 517 Middle St. – fencing and gate 616 Broad St. – playground fencing 805 S. Front St. – demolition of pump station 817 Pollock St. – tree replacements 624 Hancock St. – gravel, parking blocks, and fencing About 17 pending C. REPORT ON COA EXTENSIONS ISSUED: none D. OTHER ITEMS AND UPDATES BY THE ADMINISTRATOR Terms ending for 3 members: MW, JM, and CS – all are qualified for another term]
ANYTHING SIGNIFICANT IN YOUR REPORT THAT YOU'D LIKE TO, UM, HIGHLIGHT? UM, WE DO HAVE, UM, THREE MEMBERS WHOSE TERMS ARE CURRENT TERMS ARE EXPIRING.UH, THEY ALL, UH, COULD BE RENEWED FOR A SECOND TERM.
UH, SO I JUST ASK THAT EACH ONE OF THEM, UH, CONTACT IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE CONTACT YOUR, UH, APPROPRIATE ALDERMAN OR MAYOR.
AND SECONDLY, IF YOU'RE NOT, UM, UH, LET US KNOW SO THAT, UH, WE CAN, UH, BEGIN TO, THOSE ALDERMAN CAN BEGIN TO LOOK FOR YOUR REPLACEMENT.
WHICH ONES ARE THERE? SO IT'S, UH, MW.
OH, WAIT, WHAT? OH, J YOU'RE JM? YEAH.
JIM, I THOUGHT I JUST GOT OFF.
JIM MORRISON AND, UH, CANDACE SULLIVAN.
ANY COMMISSION COMMENTS? OKAY.