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HOW'S EVERYBODY TODAY? HELLO.IT IS A LITTLE AFTER 1201, SO IN THE, UH, THE SPIRIT OF KEEPING THINGS ON TIME AND MOVING 'CAUSE EVERYBODY'S BUSY AND NO LUNCH TODAY.
SO YOU'RE ALL GONNA WANT TO GET OUTTA HERE AT ONE O'CLOCK.
UM, I'M GOING TO CALL THIS, UH, MEETING OF THE MSD ADVISORY COMMITTEE, REGULAR REVIEW BOARD MEETING TO ORDER AND ASK THAT WE TAKE THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
BEFORE KIM STARTS, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE KAREN SULLIVAN.
SHE IS THE NEW EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR SWISS BEAR.
AND SO THE SWISSAIR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR IS AN EX OFFICIO POSITION, UH, ON THIS BOARD.
WE'RE SO GLAD TO HAVE YOU HAVE KAREN AND THANK YOU.
SO NOW IT'LL NOW BE KAREN, SO IT'LL BE ALRIGHT.
ALDERMAN ROYAL FOSTER HUGHES HERE FROM KIM AUSTRALIA.
IN YOUR PACKET THAT YOU RECEIVED, UM, THERE WERE MINUTES FROM THE MARCH 19TH REGULAR MEETING AND THE APRIL 2ND WORK SESSION.
AND I TRUST THAT YOU ALL HAVE VORACIOUSLY READ THEM AND GONE THROUGH THEM.
AND I I DO HAVE, UM, VERY SLIGHT TYPOS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION IS CORRECT.
UM, ON THE MARK, ON THE APRIL 2ND, LYNN HARRIS'S NAME LYNN HAS AN E ON THE END.
SOME PLACES YOU GOT THE E, SOME PLACES YOU DON'T.
SO TO BE CONSISTENT, JUST WHEREVER YOU'RE MISSING AN E ADD THAT.
AND THAT IS, THAT'S MY ONLY CHANGE.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY ADDITIONS, CORRECTIONS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT? NOT THEN I WOULD ACCEPT A MOTION TO ADOPT AND YOU HAVE TO STATE EACH, EACH, UH, SET OF MINUTES PLEASE.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT MARCH 19 MINUTES IS PRESENTED WITH THE MINOR CORRECTION OF LYNN'S MAIN.
I SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR A.
ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, FOR THE APRIL 2ND, I MAKE THE MOTION TO ACCEPT, UH, THE APRIL 2ND MEETINGS ARE THE SAME CHANGE OF BATING MEETING TO LYNN'S NAME WHERE NECESSARY.
OKAY, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.
OKAY, LET'S GO TO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS THE DISCUSSION OF, UM, TO ESTABLISH CRITERIA FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO AT UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE LAST BOARD MEETING OF THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN, THEY HAVE INSTITUTED, UM, A RESOLUTION THAT, UH, REQUIRES THAT ALL OF THE COMMITTEES HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING COMPONENT, UH, TO THEIR BOARD AND, UM, HAVE ASKED THAT WE DISCUSS THE CRITERIA, SET IT, AND THEN HAVE A, A PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION OF EACH OF OUR MINUTES.
SO SOME OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO CONSIDER IS THE LENGTH OF TIME.
NOW, I'LL TELL YOU THE BOARD OF ALL ROOM DOES FOUR MINUTES.
THE BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN PLAN JUST ADOPTED THEIRS.
SO THERE'S NOTHING WITHIN THE LAW WITHIN THE RESOLUTION THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A THE THE TIME.
SO THAT'S A, A DISCUSSION POINT WE NEED TO DISCUSS.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS, UH, WE ARE IN THE AGENDA.
DO WE WANT IT AGAIN BY AND PEDESTRIAN I BELIEVE IS GONNA GO AT THE END OF THEIR MEETING.
YOU KNOW, COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ADOPTED THEIRS TO BE AT THE END OF THE MEETING.
I PERSONALLY LIKE THE END OF THE MEETING BECAUSE AGAIN, IF THERE'S ANYTHING WITHIN THE MEETING, SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE A COMMENT, THEY CAN MAKE IT AT THE END OF THE MEETING.
SO I'M GONNA OPEN THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO TAKE A VOTE TO SET OUR CRITERIA AS FAR AS HOW WE WANT TO HANDLE THE PUBLIC COMMENT SESSION OF THESE MEETINGS.
AND THIS WOULD ONLY BE FOR OUR REGULAR BOARD MEETINGS, NOT FOR OUR WORK SESSIONS.
ONLY THE REGULAR BOARD MEETING, WHICH WE HAVE FOR A YEAR.
SABRINA, DO EITHER OF THOSE HAVE A CAP ON THE
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NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT THEY WILL ACCEPT? NO.BUT, UM, AND FOSTER, YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IT WOULD ONLY BE, UH, PEOPLE WHO PAY THE MSD TAX WOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE A COMMENT THAT WAS UNCLEAR TO ME.
PUBLIC COMMENT IS, IT WOULD BE ANYONE WHO ATTENDS THE MEETING.
SO IT DOES NOT, IT IS NOT RESTRICTED TO THAT.
I COULD NOT THAT BE RESTRICTED.
CAN WE ASK THAT THEY SAY IF THEY, UH, TAXPAYER, MSD, HELLO SCOTT? YOU, YOU CAN ASK THE QUESTION.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO RESPOND TO THAT.
IT'S, I MEAN, I'M OKAY WITH IT, BUT ISN ISN'T IT THE WHOLE ENTRY OR DUPLICATION OF EFFORTS? 'CAUSE I MEAN THE WHOLE POINT OF WE'RE JUST A COMMITTEE THAT SENDS IT OVER TO, TO PREP TO OTTOMAN PRE AND EVERYBODY ELSE AND THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO TALK IS AT THAT MEETING.
I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE PUBLIC COMMENT IS PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO IT'S GIVEN ANYONE WHO WANTS TO COME TO THIS MEETING, THEY DON'T HAVE TO TO LIVE IN THIS MSD AREA.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO BUSINESS HERE.
BUT IF SOMEONE WANTS TO PARTICIPATE AND WANTS TO SPEAK ABOUT ANYTHING OR ADD THEIR 2 CENTS, THEY'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO DO IT FOR THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT, THAT THIS COMMITTEE DECIDES, UH, UPON IN THEIR CRITERIA.
WELL, I ASSUME THAT IF WE ADOPT A RULE, WE COULD TURN AROUND AND CHANGE IT AFTER THE FIRST MEETING IF WE DON'T LIKE IT.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO BE CONSISTENT AND PUT IT IN PLACE.
BUT IT'S, I'M I'M JUST THINKING KIND OF ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT JOHNNY SAID, THAT UM, FIRST WE ARE NOT AN ELECTED BOARD, WHATEVER WE ARE ADVISORY.
SO WITH THE SAME RESTRICTIONS, WOULD WE BE SUBJECT TO THE SAME RESTRICTIONS OR, I MEAN THAT MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR SCOTT DAVIS.
CAN WE JUST SAY, IF YOU LIVE IN THE M MSST DISTRICT AND WANT TO TALK, WE'LL GIVE YOU A FOUR MINUTES AND YOU DON'T LIVE IN THE M MSST DISTRICT.
YOU'RE NOT REALLY RELEVANT TO THIS GROUP.
THAT, THAT'S NOT GONNA FLY HERE.
YOU, YOU NEED TO LIST, LET'S LOOK AT THE BASIC THING, PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS MEETING.
THIS MEETING IS UP TO ANYONE THAT WANTS TO COME.
AND IT SHOULD BE UP TO ANY, IT WILL BE UP TO ANYONE ONE TO SAY THERE, SAY THERE'S TWO OR THREE MINUTES OR WHATEVER YOU CHOOSE TO DO.
SO LET'S DON'T, DON'T, DON'T, DON'T ADD A BUNCH OF THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BACK OUT OF THE ALDERMEN HAVE ALREADY AGREED TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THESE MEETINGS.
SO WE KIND OF HAVE TO, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF
NO, THE ONLY THING, THE ONLY THING I CAN SAY IN THE RESOLUTION, SO AGAIN, IT, THE RESOLUTION IS THE RESOLUTION.
ALL IT SAYS IS THE MSD ADVISORY COMMITTEE SHALL PROVIDE AT LEAST ONE PERIOD FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AT EACH REGULAR MEETING.
THE MSD COMMITTEE MAY ADOPT REASONABLE RULES GOVERNING THE CONDUCT OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
SO TO ME, A REASONABLE RULE WOULD BE YOUR, YOU ARE THE PUBLIC, YOU HAVE A VESTED INTEREST, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE MSD, COULD WE NOT RESTRICT IT AND JUST SAY THE MSD TAXPAYER SHOULD HAVE A VOICE AND BE ABLE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME? IT DOESN'T SAY ANY CITIZEN CAN MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.
IT TALKS ABOUT THE MSD COMMITTEE MAY ADOPT REASONABLE RULES.
I I I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WORD REASONABLE RULES.
YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S REASONABLE.
WE DON'T CHECK IDS AT THE DOOR FOR ANYONE TO ATTEND THIS MEETING.
YOU NEED TO TREAT IT THE SAME WAY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
ISN'T THERE A LARGER LEGISLATIVE BACKDROP TO ALL THIS ABOUT OPEN MEETINGS AND FOR THAT'S THAT'S CORRECT.
WITHOUT HAVING AN ATTORNEY SCOTT HERE TO, TO TELL US.
THAT'S, I THINK WITH THE ULTIMATE, THEY'LL SAY THAT IN THE RESOLUTION, BUT EVERYTHING HAS TO FIT WITHIN THE LEGISLATIVE FRAMEWORK.
UNDERSTOOD WITH TRYING TO RESTRICT, UH, SOMEONE FROM SPEAKING, IF THEY DON'T, UM, PAY AN MSD TAX OR A BUSINESS OWNER OR WHATNOT, THAT, THAT, I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE TOO RESTRICTED AND WE CAN GET, UH, THE ATTORNEY TO WEIGH IN ON THAT.
BUT I HAVE A FEELING I'M, I'M CORRECT ON THAT.
AND THE OTHER QUESTION IS, SHOULD THE ATTORNEY BE HERE, SHOULD WE START THINKING ABOUT THAT? ARE YOU REQUESTING AN ATTORNEY TO BE HERE? WELL, NOT REQUESTING BUT ASKING SHOULD THEY, UH, WHAT WOULD BE THE REASON? I DON'T KNOW.
I WOULD SAY NO BECAUSE THE PURPOSE OF THIS COMMITTEE IS TO, IS TO, UH, DISCUSS POTENTIAL PROJECTS TO RECOMMEND.
SO YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT MAKING ANY RULES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT'S GONNA AFFECT WHAT GOES ON IN THE DISTRICT ITSELF.
SO, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE OF COURSE AT THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN, WE ASK EACH PERSON TO STATE THEIR NAME AND THEIR ADDRESS.
SO I BELIEVE THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ASK THE PERSON TO STATE THEIR NAME AND THEIR ADDRESS.
SO THAT WILL TELL US IMMEDIATELY IF THEY'RE WITHIN THE MSD OR NOT.
SO WHEN WE ARE CONSIDERING THEIR COMMENTS, SECOND OF ALL, AND IN A, IN, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN HAVE ADOPTED IS THAT ALTHOUGH THE BOARD IS INTERESTED IN THE COMMENTS, SPEAKERS SHOULD NOT EXPECT ANY COMMENTS, ACTION OR DELIBERATION FROM THE BOARD ON ANY ISSUE RAISED DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
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ADOPT THAT.SO WE'RE GIVING PEOPLE VOICE, WE JUST DON'T HAVE TO REACT TO IT.
AND I KNOW SOMETIMES IT'S FRUSTRATING.
YOU CAN SIT UP THERE AND SOMEBODY'S FUSSING OUT AND YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING BACK.
BUT SOMETIMES IT'S BETTER TO JUST LET THEM SAY THEIR PIECE AND UM, LET THEM SPEAK WHAT THEY WANT TO SAY AND, AND NOT RESPOND TO THAT AT, AT THAT POINT OR AT, AT A DIFFERENT DIFFERENT POINT.
I, I PERSONALLY WELCOME THE INPUT.
I MEAN, ONE OF THINGS, IT'S JUST TIME RESTRAINT.
MOST PEOPLE, OTHER THINGS WE'RE DOING, WE WANNA KEEP THESE MEETINGS AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE.
I WOULD SUGGEST A SHORT, SHORTEST TIME PERIOD POSSIBLE FOR EACH SPEAKER.
AND ALSO I, I WOULD ADD TO IT, LET'S PUT IT IN THE END.
AND FRANKLY, I MEAN, WE'VE ALREADY HIT QUORUM.
IF I'VE GOTTA GO, I'VE GOTTA GO.
I MEAN, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE RUDE TO ANYBODY, BUT IF THAT WAS MY OTHER CONCERN, WE HAVING IT AT THE END.
ARE WE DRAGGING ON AND ON AND ON.
IF OUR MEETINGS ARE SET TIME LIMIT, IT GETS CUT OFF WHEN OUR MEETING ENDS.
AND HOW DOES SOMEBODY LEAVING EFFECT CORE IS THE OTHER QUESTION.
SO IF I GOTTA GO, YOU KNOW, FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF, TWO HOURS, IT TURNS OUT TO BE A THREE HOUR MEETING, I KIND OF LIKE TWO PERIODS, ONE BEFORE AND ONE AFTER.
BUT LIMIT THEM TO MAYBE NO MORE THAN FIVE AND NO MORE THAN 10 OR NO MORE THAN TWO MINUTES A PIECE.
'CAUSE SOMETIMES PEOPLE THINK OF STUFF AS WE'RE DISCUSSING AND THAT THAT COULD, COULD HELP.
YOU KNOW, AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE COME IN, SO AT THE, ESPECIALLY WITH OUR AGENDA IS PUBLIC, SO THERE'S PUBLIC INFORMATION OUT THERE AT THE END, IT JUST ALLOWS THEM TO HEAR THE DISCUSSION PRIOR TO THAT.
THAT MAY HAVE ANSWERED A QUESTION OR KEPT THEM FROM EVEN EVEN MAKING PUBLIC COMMENT BECAUSE THEIR ISSUE HAS BEEN RESOLVED 'CAUSE THEY HEARD THE FULL DISCUSSION.
AND THEN FOR PEOPLE WHO JUST WANT TO COME AND SAY THEIR PIECE FOR NO OTHER REASON AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE AGENDA.
AND AGAIN, I'M JUST, I'M THINKING OUT LOUD AS THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, HOW THEY, THEY, UH, SET THEIR CRITERIA IS THEY ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING IF IT IS SPECIFICALLY, UM, FOR AN AGENDA ITEM SPECIFICALLY.
IF NOT, IT'S AT THE END OF THE MEETING.
I MEAN THAT, THAT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, A WAY TO LOOK AT IT.
THAT'S JUST ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE.
I MEAN, I WAS JUST THINKING DOWN LOUD.
I WOULD SAY THREE MINUTES AT THE END OF THE MEETING WOULD BE A GOOD STARTING POINT PERSON.
IT'S, IT'S LONGER THAN YOU THINK.
I KNOW WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, FOUR MINUTES.
I USED TO THINK OH, FOUR MINUTES AND STUFF IN.
BUT THAT'S WHAT I OTHER BOYS I'VE BEEN ON.
YEAH, THE BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN HAVE, HAVE DONE THREE.
YOU CAN'T GET OUT THREE MINUTES.
OKAY, SO, SO STEP ONE THEN, WE'VE DECIDED THAT OUR TIME LIMIT IS GOING TO BE THREE MINUTES.
IS THAT CORRECT? AND WE OKAY, WE, WE'LL MAKE A MOTION, A TOTAL MOTION, BUT LET'S JUST GET SOME NOTES.
SO THE TIME LIMIT WILL BE THREE MINUTES.
WHAT OTHER FIRST SPEAKER? FIRST SPEAKER AND YES, FIRST SPEAKER.
I DO LIKE AT THE BEGINNING THE RESTRICTED ONLY TO AGENDA ITEMS AND THEN THE END COULD BE OPEN BECAUSE YOU PROBABLY AREN'T GONNA GET THAT MANY.
AND REMEMBER THIS IS JUST GONNA BE FOR OUR REGULAR MEETINGS, NOT FOR OUR WORKSHOPS, JUST OUR REGULAR MEETINGS.
CAN WE MAKE IT PER ADDRESS? SO LIKE WHILE PEOPLE ARE DOING STEVE AND LIVE TOGETHER, I MIGHT NOT, BOTH OF THEM
I IF, I DUNNO IF IT'S A BIG ISSUE RIGHT NOW, BUT I'M JUST THINKING, JUST TRYING TO COMPRESS ON AND EVERYTHING.
THEIR ADDRESS WON'T ALWAYS INDICATE WHETHER THEY'RE IN THE MSD EITHER, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY COULD BE A BUSINESS OWNER.
BUT THE MSD TAXPAYER IS THE PROPERTY.
SO, OKAY, BUT ARE WE GONNA SPECIFICALLY ASK FOR THEIR RESIDENTIAL ADDRESS OR? WELL WE, THAT'S THE WAY IT WORKS WITHIN CITY HALL.
YOU GIVE YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOUR RESIDENCE ADDRESS AND SOMETIMES WE HAVE PEOPLE FROM TRENT WOODS THAT OWN BUSINESSES IN NEW BERN, BUT THEY STILL GIVE THEIR TRENT WOODS ADDRESS BECAUSE THEY HEAR SPEAKING ON A CERTAIN TOPIC THAT AFFECTS THEM.
I I BELIEVE YOU ALWAYS GIVE YOUR RESIDENTIAL ADDRESSES AND THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOU PAY TAXES.
I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW FROM SCOTT WHETHER WE CAN ASK IF THEY ARE A PROPERTY OWNER IN THE MST BECAUSE AGAIN, LIKE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON THIS COMMITTEE ARE NOT RESIDENTS OF THE MSD BUT OUR PROPERTY OWNERS.
BUT I, I ALSO WOULD UNDERSTAND IF YOU SAID IT CAN'T BE, THAT SEEMS LIKE THEY WOULD'VE VOLUNTEERED THAT RIGHT UP FRONT.
YOU KNOW, ANYBODY WHO REALLY WANTED TO BE LISTENED TO WOULD SAY, WELL DEFINITELY CURIOUS FOR THE MOST PART YOUR
SO EVEN IF SCOTT SAYS NO, I THINK, I THINK MOST PEOPLE WOULD OFFER THAT UP, RIGHT? YOU WOULD HOPE.
WHAT IS YOUR CONNECTION? WANTING TO EVEN BE AT THE MEETING.
SO IS IT THAT YOU LIVE HERE, YOU HAVE A BUSINESS HERE, WHAT'S YOUR INTEREST HERE? SO MAYBE THAT WOULD BE HOW YOU WOULD PRESENT IT VERSUS AN ADDRESS.
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YOU COULD GIVE YOUR ADDRESS, YOU COULD GIVE YOUR, I JUST THINK FOR THE OFFICIAL RECORD, THAT'S THE IDEA.IT'S, IT'S THE OFFICIAL MINUTES OF THE RECORD JUST STATES THIS PERSON NOW WITHIN THEIR TALK THEY COULD SAY, I'M HERE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THIS IMPACTS WHAT I DO.
OR YOU KNOW, I LIVE HERE AND I THINK DOWNTOWN IS WONDERFUL AND I WANT IT TO BE THIS, THAT OR THE OTHER.
IT COULD BE SOMEONE WHO IS JUST VERY WELL VERSED ON WHAT THEY DO.
LIKE DAVID AND THEY COME BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW, I GOT, I GOT A LITTLE SOMETHING I CAN ENLIGHTEN YOU WITH.
YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S A GOOD THING.
I MEAN, SO, BUT THEY STILL SHOULD GIVE THEIR ADDRESS.
SO WE KNOW ARE THEY HERE FROM BALTIMORE? ARE THEY HERE FROM NEWBURG? YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I JUST THINK IT'S, IT'S PERTINENT.
I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S OFFICIALLY HOW IT'S DONE AT THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN.
UM, AND I THINK WE'RE FOLLOWING THAT BASED ON THE, THE STATUTE AND WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO.
I WOULD KIND OF PREFER THAT WE ONLY HAVE COMMENT AT ONE TIME DURING THE MEETING.
AGAIN, WE WANT THESE MEETINGS TO BE AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE.
WE CAN TRY TO KEEP THEM TO AN HOUR.
I MEAN THE MORE WE'RE EXTENDING, SO EITHER THE BEGINNING OR THE END, BUT I, I REALLY LY NOT DO IT BOTH.
I WOULD LEAN TOWARD THE END AS YOU SAID, IF YOU KNOW, SOMETHING COMES UP AND PEOPLE HAVE BRILLIANT IDEAS TO SHARE WITH THE GROUP AND YOU KNOW, INPUTS VALUABLE.
UM, WE THINK PEOPLE BEFORE WE VOTE ON ANYTHING, NO, IT'S JUST PUBLIC.
WE WOULD JUST VOTE AND DO OUR THING AND THEN WE'D HEAR WHAT PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY AND THEN WHAT IF WE GO, 'CAUSE OUR VOTE ISN'T, OUR VOTE ISN'T BINDING.
NO MATTER WHAT WE VOTE ON, THEY STILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO A BOARD OF ALDERMAN MEETING TO EXPRESS THEIR CONCERN, CALL THE ALDERMAN, WHATEVER THEY HAVE OTHER OUTLETS.
WHAT WE DO HERE IS NOT FINAL BY ANY MEANS.
YEAH, THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING WHAT I WAS ASKING.
I THINK WE SHOULD JUST KEEP IT SIMPLE.
I MEAN, I DON'T THINK WE'RE THAT IMPORTANT.
EVEN THINGS JUST END OF THE THING.
THREE MINUTES, NAME AND ADDRESS.
DON'T TRY TO ADD A BUNCH OF RESTRICTIONS.
DO WE WANNA PUT A RESTRICTION ON THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE OR LIKE THE AMOUNT OF TIME TOTAL.
WHAT ABOUT ONE MINUTE LEVEL BEFORE ONE MINUTE YOU, YOU COME WITH SOMETHING SPECIFICALLY ON A RESTRICTED ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE AND THEN AT THE END THEY GOT THREE MINUTES.
SO THEY STILL HAVE FOUR MINUTES BECAUSE YOU GOT ONE, ONE BEFORE THREE, AFTER YOU HAVE FIVE PEOPLE SPEAKING, YOU GOT 20 MINUTES RIGHT THERE, YOU KNOW, UP TO BY THE TIME THEY, AND USUALLY WHEN THE FOUR MINUTE BUZZER WENT OFF OR THE THREE MINUTE BUZZER WENT OFF, PEOPLE ARE STILL TALKING.
I MEAN PEOPLE CAN STILL SEND EMAIL.
SO THEY COULD SEND AN EMAIL LIKE MARIA DID SO THAT IT WILL BE CONSIDERED BY US BEFORE.
BUT IT'S NOT, IT WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED PUBLIC COMMENT.
YEAH, BUT THAT'S TRUE THAT THAT'S ONE WAY.
THAT WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY IS HEARD BEFORE AND DISCUSSION.
WE WOULD HAVE LIKE WHAT YOU SAID, THREE MINUTES AT THE END.
YOU CAN ALWAYS TAKE THAT LATER IF WE NEED.
SO IT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE HAVE THIS MEETING TODAY.
SO WE WILL, WE WILL VOTE ON THIS AND WE WILL THEN AT THE END OF THE MEETING, I, I WAS TRYING TO GET IT ALL IN TODAY 'CAUSE OFFICER ASKED ME TO
UM, BUT OUR NEXT MEETING WON'T BE UNTIL AUGUST 'CAUSE WE'RE ON A QUARTERLY BASIS.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT TIME WE WOULD HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO WE WILL HAVE A BRIEF PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY BASED ON OUR CRITERIA AND THEN WE WOULD GO FROM THERE SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS 'CAUSE WE WILL HAVE SOME WORKSHOPS GOING FORWARD.
SO I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND.
SO I'LL NEED A MOTION PLEASE BASED ON WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
UH, I MOVE THAT WE UM, OUR POLICY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT BE, UM, AT THE END OF MEETING STATING THEIR NAME AND ADDRESS.
FIRST SPEAKER WOULD KNOW THE RESTRICTIONS AT THIS POINT.
DO I HAVE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? I GOT A SECOND.
UM, THEN WE WILL LET STAND, UM, ON AS NUMBER SEVEN AS WE SEE ON OUR AGENDA PUBLIC.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE DISCUSSION.
WE ARE NOW GONNA HAVE THE DAVE SHOW
BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I SCALED THIS BACK TRASH.
UM, SO FIRST I WANT TO THANK LYNN KEL FOR, UH, HELPING FACILITATE SOME OF THE MEETINGS.
UM, SHE, UM, GOT THE FOLKS WITH UM, GFL OVER HERE AS
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WELL AS, UH, GEORGE CHILES.AND UM, AND THEN ALSO A MEETING WITH BILL BERRY AND, UH, AND DAVE, UM, GRIFFITH AT, UM, AT BI.
SO, UM, FIRST THING HERE, I HAVE A OF COURSE, UM, UH, THE FAR SIDE ALWAYS HAS SOME GOOD ADVICE AND BE AWARE OF WHAT'S AROUND THE CORNER.
SO
AND I JUST KIND OF BRAINSTORMED ON, ON A FEW THINGS AND JOTTED THEM DOWN, UM, WHEN WE'RE APPROACHING WHAT WE SHOULD DO WITH THE, UM, THE TRASH THERE AND THE INTER CORE, UM, THOUGHTFUL DESIGN APPROACH, UM, TO DUMPSTERS ON CITY OWNED PROPERTY.
WE KNOW WE, WE HAVE SOME CONTROL OVER THAT, SO LET'S, LET'S WORRY ABOUT THAT.
AND THAT'S THE LOCATION NEAR MORGAN'S.
UM, SOME SORT OF A MASONRY ENCLOSURE WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA.
'CAUSE Y'ALL HAVE PROBABLY SEEN THESE TRASH ENCLOSURES THAT ARE THE, THE LAST MINUTE.
AND AS GEORGE CHARLES MENTIONED, IT USUALLY GOES A LITTLE BETTER AND THEY THROW OFF SOMETHING THAT REALLY CAN'T WITHSTAND THE, THE TYPE OF, UM, WEAR AND TEAR THAT, THAT THEY'RE SUBJECT TO.
UM, IN OUR DISCUSSIONS, UM, GEORGE MENTIONED THAT THERE MIGHT NEED TO BE A COVERED ENCLOSURE, BUT, UM, WITH THE COMPACTOR, THOSE ARE KIND KIND OF SELF-CONTAINED UNITS, SO THAT MAY NOT BE AN ISSUE.
BUT STILL WITH THOSE, YOU HAVE SOME SPILLAGE WHEN PEOPLE THROW THEM IN THERE.
AND, AND THAT STILL MAY BE A, A CONCERN, UM, SOME HEIGHT CONSIDERATIONS BECAUSE WHEN THE TRUCK COMES TO BACK UP AND PULL THAT, THAT COMPACTOR ON IT TO REPLACE IT OUT, UM, IT, IT DOES COME UP QUITE HIGH.
AND THERE'S, UM, A, UH, SCHEMATIC ON HERE THAT THAT SHOWS THAT, UM, AND IT HAS TO BE LARGE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE THE COMPACTOR ASSOCIATED EQUIPMENT.
UM, IT'LL NEED ELECTRIC SERVICE, WE'LL NEED WATER.
UM, THERE MAY BE SOME DRAINAGE CONSIDERATIONS, HEALTH DEPARTMENT CONSIDERATIONS.
UM, THERE MAY BE A TREE THERE THAT WE MAY LOSE, OR MAYBE EVEN MORE THE DUMPSTER TRUCK FLOW ROOM FOR EXPANSION.
ONE OF THE BEAUTIFUL THINGS ABOUT A COMPACTOR IS THAT, UM, THAT COMPACTOR WILL REDUCE THE FREQUENCY THAT THE TRASH NEEDS TO BE PICKED UP.
NOW IT'S BEING PICKED UP, I THINK SIX DAYS A WEEK, AND THEY FELT LIKE IT COULD BE REDUCED DOWN TO, TO TWO TO TWO DAYS A WEEK.
UM, AND THEN EVEN WITH THAT, IF, IF, UM, MORE BUSINESSES COME IN THERE THAT REQUIRES, UM, REQUIRE, UM, TRASH SERVICE, THAT THEY CAN JUST INCREASE THE CAPACITY BY INCREASING THE SERVICE SERVICES.
SO, UM, UM, AND THEN WHO'S, WHO'S USING IT? WHO WILL PAY FOR IT AND, UM, AND WHO IS PAYING RIGHT NOW AND, AND THEN ACCESS CONTROL.
BUT THESE ARE SOME THINGS THAT, UM, THAT GO INTO THE, THE DETAILED DESIGN AND BOTTOM LINE EXPLANATIONS.
IT, IT WON'T BE CHEAP, YOU KNOW, THIS IS DEALING WITH ANY KIND OF CONSTRUCTION IN THE CITY.
YOU HAVE ALL THESE THINGS UNDERGROUND THAT WE DON'T KNOW.
UH, WE CAN GET A BETTER HANDLE ON IT WITH SURVEY AND SO FORTH.
BUT EVEN WITH SURVEYS, SOMETIMES WHEN YOU START CONSTRUCTION, YOU DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU GOTTA DEAL WITH THESE THINGS.
SO YOU GOTTA KEEP THOSE IN MIND.
UM, WHAT WE GOT HERE, THANKS TO, UH, UM, FOLKS OVER AT GFL, THEY, THEY TOOK SOME PICTURES OF SOME EXISTING ENCLOSURES.
THIS IS, UM, AT, UH, PROXIMITY APARTMENTS, UM, A UH, MASONRY ENCLOSURE WITH SOME, UH, ROBUST, UM, GATES THERE.
UM, SOMETHING TO POINT OUT THAT THEY, THEY MENTIONED WAS WHEN WE'RE DOING THE DESIGN, MAKE SURE WE HAVE ADEQUATE SLOPE OR THAT CHUTE THAT'S GOING INTO THE COMPACTOR.
THEY SAID IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE 40%.
I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING LIKE 17% AND THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE THIS PULL HERE.
'CAUSE THINGS GET HUNG UP THERE AND THEY HAVE TO PUSH THINGS INTO IT.
SO, UM, SOME OF THAT DETAILED STUFF WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT.
AND WHEN I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS, WHEN WE GET IT, IF, IF WE GO TO THIS AND DO GO INTO A DETAILED DESIGN, THERE MAY NEED TO BE SOME SORT OF A DESIGN THAT INCORPORATES A RAMP UP TO IT SO THAT THIS IS HIGH ENOUGH SO THAT YOU CAN GET THAT, THAT THAT'S, UH, RUN A TRASH CAN THERE.
UM, AND THIS IS AT, UH, CAROLINA COLORS, UM, AGAIN, UH, A BRICK OR A STONE FACADE, MASONRY CONSTRUCTION.
AND YOU CAN SEE THIS, THIS HAS A BUMP OUT AND YOU'LL SEE THE
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CONCEPT THAT, UH, THAT DAVID GRIFF CAME UP WITH, UM, TAKES INTO ACCOUNT NOT ONLY THE COMPACTOR, BUT ALSO A PLACE FOR THE RECYCLED UM, MATERIALS.UM, AND THEN I JUST DID A AERIAL VIEW OF THE, UM, THE CITY OWNED PROPERTY WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE FOCUSING JUST SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHAT WE'RE WE'RE DEALING WITH IN, IN THIS GENERAL LOCATION.
AND THEN HERE IS THE, UM, FROM THE CONCEPT PLAN SHOWING THE CITY OWNED PROPERTY.
AND I JUST LABELED THAT THAT IS NO LONGER CITY OWNED PROPERTY.
BUT, UM, AND THEN HERE IS THE CONCEPT C THAT WE SAID, UM, WE SHOULD FOCUS ON THE CITY OWNED PROPERTY USING CONCEPT C AS SORT OF OUR, OUR INSPIRATION.
UH, SOMETHING ELSE THAT CAME UP IN MEETING WITH, UM, BILL FAULKENBERRY.
HE SAID, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO MEET WITH THE MSD ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO GIVE SOME OF THE BACKGROUND THAT WENT INTO SOME OF THESE DESIGNS.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY CONSIDER AS AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
UM, YEAH, BECAUSE IT DOES ENTER, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE WE KNOW THAT CONCEPT C WITH THE TRASH CANS DOES INTERSECT ONTO PRIVATE PROPERTY, BOTH OF THE SUGGESTED LOCATIONS.
SO, YOU KNOW, IS THAT, AND WE THOUGHT ABOUT IT'S EASIER TO MAYBE DEAL WITH TWO PROPERTY OWNERS THAN IT WOULD WITH 10 PROPERTY OWNERS, SO, RIGHT.
UM, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO CONSIDER.
UM, THIS IS, UM, A SPEC SHEET FOR THEOR THAT THEY RECOMMEND.
UM, YOU CAN SEE IT'S JUST OVER 20, 23 FEET LONG AND SELF-CONTAINED.
THEY HAVE A, A DEODORIZER IN IT SO IT'LL HELP WITH SMELLS AND SO FORTH.
UM, AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S SELF-CONTAINED, SO ALL THE LIQUIDS AND EVERYTHING STAY IN THERE.
UM, AND THEY, WHEN THEY CHANGE IT OUT, THEY CHANGE OUT THE WHOLE THING AND THEY, THEY TAKE IT AND, AND DUMP IT AND THEN BRING EITHER ANOTHER ONE BACK OR THE SAME ONE.
I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE, BUT THERE'S A PERIOD OF TIME WHERE THERE WILL NOT BE ANYTHING THERE, BUT IT'S, IT'S A QUICK TURNAROUND AND THEY PROBABLY DO IT DURING TIMES WHEN IT'S NOT GONNA BE USED.
SO IT'D BE NICE TO KNOW WHAT THAT TURNAROUND IS.
YEAH, I REMEMBER THE RESTAURANTS THAT IT WAS PRETTY QUICK AND, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE DETAILS TO GET INTO PROBABLY, RIGHT? YEAH.
MAYBE, WELL THEY PROBABLY WOULDN'T WORK ON SUNDAY 'CAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A PICKUP ON SUNDAY, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S EITHER EARLY MORNING OR, OR LATE, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, YOU GOTTA KEEP IT WITHIN THEIR TIME.
THEY WON'T TELL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE THING.
IT'S JUST AS LONG AS YOU KNOW THE TIME AND THEN HERE'S, THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN THE TRUCK PICKS IT UP.
AS I MENTIONED THAT, UM, UM, THE HEIGHT CONSTRAINT, WHICH I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY ISSUES BACK THEN THAT WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT.
AND, AND LOOKING AT ONE OF THE TREES BACK THERE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT TREE'S GONNA GO IF IT GOES IN THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION.
BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY OVERHEAD WIRES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT TO DEAL WITH TODAY.
AND I, I DID THIS, UM, ONE OF THESE FOR A, UM, A HOSPITAL IN, UH, IN NORFOLK AND AS AN AFTERTHOUGHT REALIZED, OH CRAP, WE'VE GOT SOME OVERHEAD WIRES AND THINGS WE'VE GOTTA DEAL WITH.
SO, UM, AND THIS IS THE SCHEMATIC THAT, UH, DAVID, UM, CAME UP WITH HERE.
WE HAVE, UH, COMPACT DURING CARDBOARD.
YOU KNOW, HE'S SHOWING AN OPEN ON ONE SIDE.
THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT IT HAS TO BE THAT WAY, BUT, UM, IF, IF WE WERE LIMITED WITH SPACE, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT MAY BE AN OPTION TO HAVE TO FIT IN THERE.
AND THEN OF COURSE YOU COULD LANDSCAPE OR DO SOMETHING, SOME OTHER MATERIAL THERE.
MAYBE THAT IS A, UM, A WOOD FENCE, PRIVACY DELIVERY OR SOMETHING.
DAVE, I HAVE A QUESTION WHERE THE CHUTE IS, AND YOU WERE SAYING IT NEEDS TO GET MORE ANGLE TO IT.
MY CONCERN WOULD BE HOW HIGH DOES IT HAVE TO BE TO GET THE ANGLE? BECAUSE WHEN YOU, THE PROBLEM IS YOU GOT THESE KIDS BASICALLY WHO ARE LIFTING UP THE TRASH AND IF IT'S TOO HIGH, IT'S GONNA FALL AND THEN IT'S GONNA BREAK AND THEY'RE GONNA LEAVE IT ALL ON THE GROUND.
I MEAN, IS THERE A WAY TO, I DON'T KNOW, GET IT GROUND UP? YEAH, I MEAN WE CAN GRADE IT, BRING THE GROUND UP AND MAYBE WE COULD BRING SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND THEN MAYBE WE BRING THE COMPACTOR DOWN SOME ALSO.
SO A COMBINATION OF THOSE DETAILS, I THINK.
YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS WE HAVE TO LOOK AT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO SEE WHO IS ACTUALLY USING IT.
AND KNOWING THAT THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE IN A HURRY.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET OFF SHIFT AND THEY'RE JUST THROWING
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TRASH.I MEAN, RESTAURANT PEOPLE, YOU COULD DO SOMETHING WHERE THERE IS SOME SORT OF A LIFT THERE ALSO, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT'S JUST ANOTHER AUTOMATED THING.
AND MORE EXPENSE, I THINK LOGICAL SOLUTION WOULD BE TO HAVE A RAMP THAT STARTS FROM WHERE THE COMPACTOR IS ACCESSED.
YOU COULD HAVE AN A DA COMPLIANT BECAUSE THAT'S LIKE 30 FEET WHEEL TRASH CAN INTO THE ALL TAKE RESTAURANTS.
WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU WHEEL IT OUT? WOULD YOU CART IT OUT ANYWAY? YES.
SOME IN MOST CASES, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE LENGTH OF DISTANCE YOU HAVE TO GO.
AND SOME OF THEM, DEPENDING WHERE THIS IS GONNA BE, WELL, YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT COMING FROM THE BACK OF POPPY'S OR THE BACK OF YOURS IF IT'S ALL THE WAY OVER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
YOU WOULD HAVE SOME KIND OF WHEEL THING.
I KNOW AT THE CHELSEA AND LIKE COW CAFE, THEY HAVE A CART AND THEY PUT THE BAGS ON TOP OF THE CART AND THEN WHEEL THEM OVER.
BUT THEN YOUNG PEOPLE STILL HAVE TO TOSS 'EM AND THEY HAVE TO TOSS 'EM INTO THE TOP AND INVARIABLY IT BREAKS 'CAUSE SOMEBODY DIDN'T DOUBLE BAG
SO THE NEXT NEXT SLIDE, I, I TOOK BOTH THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AND THE, UM, CONCEPT C AND I JUST OVERLAID, UM, WHERE IT MIGHT GO.
UM, YOU'LL SEE THIS VERSION ON THE SCREEN IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU HAVE.
'CAUSE I REALIZED I DIDN'T PUT THE TRUCK TURNING, UM, RADIUS ON THERE.
SO, UM, YOU CAN SEE HOW IT, IT, IT WOULD, BUT YEAH, THE, THE TRUCK COULD PROBABLY MANEUVER AND NOT GO INTO THAT PARKING.
SO THERE, AND, AND THEN WE COULD, THIS COULD BE ANGLED A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A, AN IDEA OF WHAT, UH, SOME OF THE CONSTRAINTS MIGHT BE THERE, UM, WITH THIS.
AND, AND I SLAPPED A, UH, A BLOCK IN THERE THAT REPRESENTS THE, UM, THE LENGTH OF THAT TRUCK.
AND, UM, AND THEN HERE'S HOW IT FITS WITH, UM, OPTION C, WHICH YOU SEE IT DOESN'T FIT VERY WELL, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'VE GOT.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, OPTION C WAS, UM, IT'S, IT'S A CONCEPT.
SO OPEN TO MODIFICATION AND I DON'T, IF WE ACCOMMODATE JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WOULDN'T PUT IT IN THE SAME LOCATION IN THE TRUCK WOULD COME UP.
YOU MIGHT LOSE ONE OR TWO PARKING SPACES HERE, BUT BACK UP AND I MEAN, LEAVE IT RIGHT IN THAT SAME SPOT.
THE TRUCK COMES IN, BACKS UP, GOES OUT.
UM, THE MORE WE BRING IT, THE MORE WE BRING IT DOWN THOUGH, THEN THE, THE MORE DIFFICULT IT'S GONNA BE FOR THAT TRUCK TO MAKE THAT TURN.
AND ALSO TRYING TO KEEP IT ON CITY PROPERTY.
WHEREAS IT, UM, I THINK THAT, OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
'CAUSE THAT CITY PROPERTY CROSSES THROUGH THOSE MARKET SPACES, SO IT COULD COME DOWN SOME MORE, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, BUT WHEN WE MADE THE RECOMMENDATION BEFORE TO PURSUE C, ONE OF THE ITEMS WAS THAT WE ONLY HAD TO NEGOTIATE WITH ONE PROPERTY OWNER IF WE DID ONE.
BUT IF WE DID BOTH THINGS, IT WOULD BE THE TWO PROPERTY OWNERS.
WELL, I'M JUST THINKING THAT, UM, THAT'S JUST MORGAN'S AND JOHN ROBERT, THEY MAY OR MAY NOT BE WILLING TO ALLOW A DUMPSTER AND, AND ALSO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT.
THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THE CITY WANTS TO CONTINUE TO BE IN THE TRASH BUSINESS IN THAT AREA AS WELL.
WHAT SO, SO FOSTER THAT'S A QUESTION THEN.
SO IF THE CITY WASN'T IN THE TRASH BUSINESS, SOMEBODY HAS TO BE IN THE TRASH BUSINESS.
GDL WOULD BE THEIR OWN PROVIDER.
G-F-L-G-F-L WOULD BE THEIR OWN PROVIDER.
SO THE INDI WE AS INDIVIDUAL BUSINESSES WOULD HAVE TO JUST NEGOTIATE WITH THEM VERSUS, SO WHAT WOULD CHANGE THOUGH? THEY WOULD, IT WOULD NOT BE ON CITY PROPERTY.
IT WOULD NOT BE ON CITY PROPERTY.
AND SO THAT'S WHY OVER THE YEARS, AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED TO, UH, SOME FOLKS ABOUT MOVING IT TO DIFFERENT AREAS,
UH, HATE TO SEE IT GO BACK TO WHERE EACH RESIDENT IN EACH BUSINESS HAS THEIR OWN, THEIR OWN CANS AND THINGS.
BUT WHAT WE HAVE SEEN WITH THE CITY IS THE WAY THIS IS NOW, IF, IF THERE'S A, THERE'S A SPILL, THERE'S A MESS, IT'S A TOILET WORKS TO CLEAN EVERYONE ELSE'S TRASH UP AND, AND WE'RE KIND OF TIRED OF DOING THAT, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT.
UH, NOW GRANTED, THOSE WHO USE THOSE DUMPSTERS, THEY'RE PAYING, UH, UH, THE MONTHLY FEE FOR FOR DOING THAT.
UM, BUT IF THERE ARE ANY, IF, IF THE BOARD OF OREGON WERE TO APPROVE THIS PLAN WHERE IT WOULD BE ON CITY PROPERTY AND, AND, AND THERE'S A WAY BEFORE WE GET TO THAT, UM, YEAH, THAT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW IT GOES.
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GOAL IS TO GET OUT OF THE TRASH BUSINESS CITY WISE FOSTER ON THIS OR ANYONE.UM, THE CITY HASN'T ALWAYS BEEN IN THE TRASH.
AND I MEAN, THERE WAS SOME DISSATISFACTION AMONG BUSINESS OWNERS AND RESIDENTS WHEN THE CITY GOT INTO THE BUSINESS BECAUSE YOU KIND OF TOLD PEOPLE YOU WILL USE THE CITY AND YOU CAN'T HIRE AN OUTSIDE CONTRACTOR EVEN IF THEY'RE CHEAPER.
UM, OR AT LEAST THAT, THAT'S MY RECOLLECTION THAT YOU, AND AND NOW I KNOW I, FOR RESIDENTIAL, I GUESS IS IN THE TAX BILL FOR NEW BERN RESIDENCE.
SO, UM, WE HAVE TO BUY STICKERS AND STUFF, WHICH IS ANOTHER STORY.
BUT, UM, IF THE CITY GETS OUT OF THE BUSINESS, THAT HOPEFULLY OPENS IT UP TO COMPETITION.
SO, SO LET ME, LET ME REPHRASE IT.
THE, THE CITY WORKS WITH GFL FOR RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PICKUP, BUT WHAT I'M REFERRING TO IS THE DUMPSTERS BEING ON CITY PROPERTY ITSELF.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
THAT'S THE TYPE OF BUSINESS WE DON'T WANT TO CONTINUE TO BE IN.
I DON'T, I DON'T SEE US GETTING OUT OF, OF DEALING WITH GFL OR, OR ANY OTHER PROVIDER FOR TRASH COLLECTION.
AND THE REASON BE BECAUSE THE CITY IS THE PROPERTY OWNER.
THE PROPERTY OWNER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR CLEANUP IF THERE'S AN ISSUE.
AND AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT TAKES UP EXISTING PARKING SPACES RIGHT NOW.
UM, WHY CAN'T EACH RESTAURANT TAKE CARE OF THEIR OWN? WHAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH THAT? LIKE FOR INSTANCE, FOR BAXTER, WE'RE COMPLETELY LAND.
WE HAVE AN EGRESS OUT THE BACK THROUGH TOM TOM'S COINS, UH, LITTLE BACK BUILDING THAT WE HAVE PERMANENT EGRESS.
BUT IT'S, IT WAS BUILT IN THE WAY, IT'S ONLY, YOU KNOW, WE GOT A VARIANCE ON IT.
IT'S JUST ABOUT 32, 34, 6, WHATEVER IT HAS TO BE.
AND IT'S GOT GAS LINES OUT THERE TOO.
SO IT'S NOT REALLY WIDE ENOUGH TO HAVE THOSE BIG GFL AND TRASH CANS PULLED THROUGH IN AND OUT OR REQUIRED TO HAVE THESE DOORS AS WELL.
SO IT KIND OF IMPEDES THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED.
AND SO HAVING IT ON THE CITY PROPERTY REALLY HELPS US, TO BE HONEST, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY LAND.
WHERE WOULD WE PUT OUR, YOU KNOW, TRASH CANS AND HOW MANY WOULD WE NEED AND WHERE WOULD ALL THOSE GO? AND IF YOU NOTICE ON MIDDLE STREET, YOU DON'T EVER SEE TRASH CANS ON THE STREET.
YOU DON'T SEE THOSE BIG CARTS ON THE STREET BECAUSE WE ALL PARKED, WHICH I THINK IS ATTRACTIVE.
YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME DOWN THE STREET EVERY DAY AND SEE TRASH CANS IN THE STREET.
LIKE NEIGHBORHOODS STREET, WE THE DRAG THE STREET CANS, SO THEY'RE BEHIND PEPSI STORE.
WE HAVE NO BACK, BACK DOOR AND WE ARE LOCKED IN AS WELL.
SO WE PAY INTO THE UNIFIED TRASH.
AND WE GO THERE AND DO THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, POPPY'S, YOU KNOW, HAVING THAT IN THE BACK THERE IS JUST UNSIGHTLY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE EATING AT MORGAN'S.
AND IT'S THE SMELL AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO DEVELOP THAT BACK AREA TO BE VERY USER FRIENDLY AND WALKABLE AND SAFE.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE DUMPSTERS BACK THERE, SO THE IDEA OF CONSOLIDATING INTO ONE DUMPSTER, AND WE DID THAT BEHIND THE CHELSEA AS YOU, YOU KNOW, BACK THERE.
AND THAT MADE IT REALLY NICE HAVING THAT CENTRALIZED DUMPSTER BACK THERE.
IT WAS ALWAYS DIRTY FILTER BACK THERE.
SO, UM, SO ONE QUESTION I'VE GOT, WE'RE GONNA RUN POWER THEORETICALLY YOU DID COMPACTOR AND YOU HAD TO HAVE POWER AND ALL THAT STUFF.
WHAT ABOUT SECURITY CAMERAS? SO WE COME BACK TO THAT, SO THAT WAY IF SOMEBODY DOES TRASH IT, YOU KNOW WHO TRASHED IT AND MAKE THEM RESPONSIBLE FOR, HEY, THAT WAS BILLY BOB AND BOND'S PLACE, IT'S CALLED BOND AND I GOT IN TROUBLE.
WHAT'S HAPPENED IS THE RE WOODS PEOPLE STICKERS DON'T WANNA BUY STICKERS AND THEY BRING THEIR TRASH IN THE CAR.
WE'VE WITNESSED THIS AND THEY GET OUT EARLY IN THE MORNING AND THROW IT INTO THE DUMPSTER.
THEN YOU GET INTO LIKE, GO AHEAD.
I WAS SAYING WITH THE RFID, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF LIKE ANOTHER KEY, YOU KNOW, AND IN SCHOOL THE BATHROOM KEYS ARE ON A YARDSTICK SO YOU DON'T LOSE IT
CODES ARE MUCH MORE, YEAH, WE WE'VE GOT A POWERFUL CONTRADICTION GOING ON HERE.
AND UM, WE NEED TO INVITE SOLOMON TO OUR NEXT MEETING.
AND IF THE CITY WON'T ALLOW, I MEAN, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SOLEMN, SO I'M NOT TELLING YOU GOT AN ANSWER, BUT IF THE CITY DOESN'T WANT A DUMPSTER ON THEIR PROPERTY, THEN WE GOT A PROBLEM BECAUSE THEN BAXTER IS GONNA START PUTTING FIVE.
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BE LIKE NEW YORK CITY, YOU GOT PILES AND PILES OF TRASH BAGS ON THE CURB WHEN THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, STORE IT IN THE BASEMENT UNTIL IT'S, WE DON'T HAVE BASEMENTS.OKAY, WELL BUT JOHN, YOU'RE ASSUMING THAT THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS, INDIANA POOR, ARE NOT GOING SOMEBODY THAT WON'T VOLUNTEER TO ALLOW THEIR PROPERTY TO BE USED TO LOCATE A DUMPSTER.
AND, AND IT NEEDS TO BE PURSUED.
I'M THINKING IT'LL BE HARD TO FIND THAT VOLUNTEER, BUT ALSO YOU HAVE EASEMENT ISSUES THEN AS WELL TO GET THE TRUCKS BACK THERE.
BUT THE PROPERTY OWNERS NEED TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEM THAT ARE BEING CREATED BY THEMSELVES OR, UM, THEIR TENANTS.
AND, AND I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR ANYONE, BUT IF, IF I'M THE OWNER OF MORGAN'S AND I'M NOT, UM, THEN I MIGHT SAY, WELL, HECK, IF THE CITY'S TAKING THEIR DUMPSTER AWAY, I GOT NO CHOICE BUT TO GET A DUMPSTER.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO CLEAN UP BONDS MESS, SO IT'S GONNA BE MY PEOPLE AND MY PEOPLE OWN.
THAT'S I THINK WHERE YOU HEADED.
YEAH, YOU GOT LOCKED DUMPSTERS.
SO THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES WITH THE KEY.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHY I SAY WE NEED TO SOLVEN, THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS THE CLEANUP.
WHY, WHY SHOULD I I ALLOCATE RESOURCES FOR, FOR VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS HAVE TO GO TO CLEAN UP BECAUSE SOMEONE COULDN'T PUT THE TRASH IN THERE CORRECTLY.
AND WHETHER IT WAS A BUSINESS OR IF IT WAS JUST SOMEONE RANDOMLY DRIVING THROUGH THE THROW THEIR TRASH IN THE DUMPSTER, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE STILL GET THE CALL FOR THAT.
AND IT OCCURS ON A REGULAR BASIS.
WERE YOU SAYING, BUT YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING, THAT THE PRIVATE CITIZEN DOESN'T WANT THAT RESPONSIBILITY OF CLEANING UP EVERYBODY ELSE'S NEST? THAT'S RIGHT.
WERE YOU SAYING THAT THEY'RE WE PAY 'EM IN THE MONTHLY FOR THE CLEANUP THOUGH? NO, NO, NO.
YOU DON'T PAY, THERE'S NOT ANYTHING IN THAT MONTHLY.
YOU'RE PAYING, YOU'RE PAYING FOR GFL TO TAKE THAT TRASH OFF.
THERE'S NO, NO ADDITIONAL FEE FOR CITY STAFF TO GO IN THERE AND CLEAN, CLEAN UP AFTER, AFTER STAFF.
I THINK WITH THE, THE CAMERA THING COULD BE THE HITCH THERE BECAUSE IF, IF IT WAS MY EMPLOYEE AND THEY WERE CALLING ON CAMERA DOING IT, YOU BETTER BELIEVE I WOULD CORRECT THAT AND THEN I WOULD HAVE THEM OUT THERE CLEANING IT OR MY, SOME OF MY STAFF WOULD BE OUT THERE.
UM, AND THAT WOULD THUS SAY, AND AND THEN THAT JUST GOES BACK AROUND THE ALLOCATING MORE RESOURCES FOR STAFF TO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CAMERA AND GO BACK AND DETERMINE WHO THAT PERSON IS AND WHERE THEY WORK AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT THE CITY DOES NOT NEED TO, TO BE.
WE HAVE, THERE'S OTHER, OTHER ISSUES TO DEAL WITH THAT THAT'S RIGHT.
OTHER PRIORITIES TO DEAL WITH IN THAT.
WELL AND ANOTHER IDEA, I JUST THOUGHT ABOUT THIS, AN IDEA FOR, RIGHT, SO ANYTHING'S ON THE TABLE, CITY GIVES SOME OF THE LAND TO A NON-PROFIT ENTITY THAT IS COMPRISED OF AN ASSOCIATION OF ALL OF THESE PROPERTY OWNERS ON THE INTER CORE AND BASED OFF SQUARE FOOTAGE OR OF ACREAGE OR WHATEVER YOUR SIZE IS.
YOU OWN A PERCENTAGE OF THAT AND THEN THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT, THAT GETS IT OFF YOUR HANDS AND THEN PUTS IT BACK IN SOMEBODY ELSE'S RESPONSIBILITY.
AND, AND VICE VERSA OF PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS CAN DO THE SAME THING.
OR OR IT COULD JUST BE AN EASEMENT SO THEY'RE NOT TRANSFERRING ANY PROPERTY.
AND THAT EASEMENT AGREEMENT WOULD INCLUDE THE, THE RIGHTS TO UTILIZE THAT TRASH COLLECTION, BUT ALSO THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR CLEANING IT OUT.
YEAH, I MEAN, I I I THINK IT COULD JUST BE A STRAIGHT CONTRACT.
I DON'T THINK YOU NEED AN EASEMENT OR ANYTHING.
THE CITY SAYS WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE YOU A TRASH SERVICE, WE'RE GONNA CHARGE YOU FOR THAT.
AND YOU KNOW, ALMOST LIKE WE'RE CHARGING YOU RENT AND, AND, AND ADD TO THAT THE COST OF CLEANUP AND YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE TO COME ONCE A WEEK WITH A PRESSURE WASHER AND CLEAN IT UP, THAT COSTS US X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS AND WE HAVE THIS MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE USING THE SERVICE AND WE'RE SPLITTING IT.
AND IT, I, I UNDERSTAND IT GETS COMPLICATED BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, MORGAN'S MAY GENERATE THREE TIMES THE TRASH, THE BAXTER'S DOES, AND SO MAYBE THEY NEED TO PAY THREE TIMES AS MUCH.
BUT, UM, OKAY, I'M GONNA LET MICHAEL LEE WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING AND THEN I'M GONNA SOMEWHAT WRAP THIS UP BECAUSE I'M SUPPOSED TO KEEP EVERYBODY ON TIME TODAY AND WE HAVE ONE MORE PRESENTATION.
SO I WANT TO KIND OF GET TO MICHAEL LEE.
YOU HAD COMMENT, THIS IS JUST AN OFF THE BALL THING, BUT, UM, UM, WHEN I WAS IN VENICE, ITALY, YOU KNOW ALL THESE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THESE ISLANDS IN VENICE, YOU KNOW, AT THE CRACK OF DAWN THEY WERE TAKING THEIR GARBAGE TO THE WATERFRONT.
THE BOATS COME, THEY TAKE EVERYBODY'S GARBAGE OFF THE ISLANDS AND THERE YOU GO.
SO EVERYBODY, WHAT IF ALL YOUR GARBAGE ENDED UP OUT ON THE STREET, THE TRUCK COMES THROUGH, THEY PICK IT UP AT 4:00 AM AGAIN, YOU PUT IT OUT, YOU PUT IT OUT THE NIGHT BEFORE AND THEN YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE WHO ARE WALKING OUR TOWN, TOWN IN THE EVENING.
AND IT IS, IT WAS A VERY EFFICIENT THING OVER THERE.
AND I WOULD, IT WAS LIKE, I THINK THEY'RE CONDITIONED FOR THAT.
I DON'T THINK, YES, THEY'RE, THERE'S KIND SOME OTHER ISSUES WITH WHERE THE PRODUCTS ARE RECYCLED AND EVERYTHING ELSE DOES.
THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THE NEW YORK CITY SYSTEM IS.
YOU PUT IT OUT ON A CERTAIN DAY, THEY
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COME PICK IT UP, BUT THEN ALL YOU'RE DOING IS RELOCATING THE MESS THAT THE CITY HAS TO CLEAN UP AND IT'S GOING FROM THE RIGHT.SO IT'S NOT PARKING LOT TO SIDEWALK AND BECAUSE THE BAGS BREAK AND LEAK AND IT'S PUTTING IT RIGHT BY THE STORM SEW WHERE THEN IT'S RIGHT.
SO A COUPLE OF, A COUPLE OF TAKEAWAYS.
AND I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, EVERY, YEAH, I THINK EVERYONE AGREES THAT THE GOAL IS TO BEAUTIFY THAT PARKING LOT AND THE CONNECTIVITY OVER IN THE BEAR CLAW.
BUT, BUT THERE IS THE TRASH ISSUE THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE DEALT WITH.
AND I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE AN OVERNIGHT SOLUTION.
I MEAN, IT'S GONNA TAKE SEVERAL OF THESE THINGS.
SO THE TAKEAWAY FROM TODAY AND YOUR PRESENTATION, THANK YOU DAVE.
I REALLY BELIEVE WE ALL THINK THAT A COMPACTOR IS THE WAY TO GO.
SO I THINK IF WE MADE ONE DECISION THAT THAT WILL BE A LARGER CAPACITY, NOT HAVE TO BE EMPTIED AS OFTEN.
SO THAT HELPS US IN KNOWING WHAT THE SPATIAL REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR THAT.
UM, I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO AND, AND THE QUESTION IS GOING TO BE, BUT WHERE AND UM, THAT WILL IMPACT HOW WE MOVE FORWARD ON THE REDEVELOPMENT OF OUR PROPERTY IN THAT AREA, WHICH IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT I THINK TO MANY OF US AND TO OUR VISITORS AND
SO, UM, I'D LIKE TO, WE'VE GOT THIS.
I THINK EVERYBODY REALLY NEEDS TO GET IN THEIR BRAINWAVES ABOUT WHERE IT CAN GO.
AND WE POTENTIALLY, BETWEEN NOW AND OUR NEXT WORKSHOP, I THINK OUR WORKSHOP NEEDS TO COME BACK TO THE INNER CORE AND CONTINUE TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
SO OUR NEXT WORKSHOP, 'CAUSE THIS IS SO IMPORTANT AND IT'S GONNA TAKE I THINK MANY BRAINSTORMING SESSIONS, BUT WE PROBABLY NEED TO NOW GO TO THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS WE IDENTIFIED, WHICH WAS HANDY SCHIFF AND BRODY, UM, AND JOHN, ROBERT.
'CAUSE WE LOOKED AT THOSE AREAS.
IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO THERE? UNDERSTANDING THAT IF THEY LOSE PARKING, WHERE CAN WE REPLACE THAT PARKING AND HOW DO WE DO THAT? SO IT'S A WIN.
AS, AS ANDY SCHIFF TOLD ME, HE JUST WANTS A WIN-WIN FOR EVERYBODY.
HE DOESN'T WANT ONE PERSON TO BEAR ANYMORE.
SO IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? BECAUSE WE CAN BEAT THIS, REALLY DISCUSS THIS FOR A LONG TIME AND I DO WANT TO GET, UM, INFORMATION, ONE QUESTION.
YOU TALKED ABOUT PUTTING A LID ON IT.
HOW, HOW WOULD THAT BE? WELL, I REALLY DON'T THINK IT WOULD MOLD WITH A, THAT THAT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT CAME OUT.
BUT WITH THE COMPACTOR, EVERYTHING'S BEING CONTAINED THERE.
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR DETAILED INFORMATION.
UM, FOSTER, YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE OUR, UH, ASSISTANT PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, UM, FOR THE DISCUSSION ON THE CROSSWALK UPGRADES.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS THE LAST TIME.
AGAIN, ANOTHER LOW HANGING FRUIT WE TALKED ABOUT BEING ABLE TO ACHIEVE.
SO, UM, I'VE ASKED DAVID FISHER, OUR ASSISTANT, UH, DIRECTOR OF FELLOW COURT TO COME TODAY AND THEY HAVE, UM, GATHERED SOME, SOME INFORMATION ON CROSSWALKS AND SO HE'S GONNA PRESENT SOME OPTIONS.
SO, DAVID, COME ON UP AND YOU SHOULD ALL HAVE HAVE SOME INFORMATION IN FRONT OF YOU.
UH, DAVE, OFFICIAL ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS.
UM, MY, MY WIFE AND MY KID GIVE ME A, A BEING LONG-WINDED.
SO I, I CREATED A LITTLE OUTLINE KEEPING ON TASK HERE SO I DON'T GO OFF TELLING YOU STORIES THAT I HAVE TO FIND VACCINATED, ESPECIALLY IN MY CAREER, WHAT I DO HERE.
BUT ANYWAY, UM, I'LL GO OVER QUICKLY THE BACKGROUND OF WHAT I THINK, UM, I'M HERE TODAY, WHAT I MIGHT KNOW ABOUT THAT.
UM, SOME OF THE PRODUCTS THAT WE LOOKED AT, AGAIN, THE BACKGROUND BEING A BRICK PATTERN, UH, PAID PAVEMENT FOR, UH, PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS, UM, THE PRODUCTS THAT PROVIDE THAT, THAT DESIRE, AND THEN THE ALL IMPORTANT, UH, COSTS OF SOME OF THESE.
AND I THINK, UH, JUST LISTENING TO, TO MY FIRST MEETING HERE, YOU GUYS ARE PROBABLY PRETTY FAMILIAR, MOST OF YOU HERE, FAMILIAR WITH, UM, CONSTRUCTION AND, UH, PROBABLY SOME DESIGN AND, AND, UM, DESIGN METHODS, UH, IN, IN PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, SO YOU PROBABLY ALSO KNOW THAT THERE'S ALWAYS THREE FACTORS IN EVERY SINGLE PROJECT.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE INVOLVED IN PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU'VE GOT COSTS, YOU HAVE SCHEDULE, AND YOU HAVE QUALITY, RIGHT? AND IT'S EASY TO CONTROL ONE, WE CAN ALWAYS, WE CAN ALWAYS CONTROL ONE OF THOSE.
UH, IF YOU'RE REALLY ON THE BALL AND YOU'RE PAYING ATTENTION, YOU CAN CONTROL TWO OF THEM, BUT YOU CAN NEVER CONTROL THREE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S JUST NOT A REALITY.
SO, UM, WE DO A LOT OF UPFRONT WORK, A LOT OF UPFRONT PLANNING AND LOOKING AND STUFF, TRYING OUR BEST TO GET CONTROL OF THOSE, THOSE TWO, TWO FACTORS.
UM, AGAIN, THE BACKGROUND SIDE, MY, THE FOCUS HERE, WE HAVE THE DOWNTOWN, THE, THE MSD AREA LOCATED AT THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, THE GOAL I THINK IS PEDESTRIAN SAFETY.
WE WANT IMPROVE SOME OF OUR CROSSINGS DOWN THERE, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO DO THAT IN AN AESTHETICALLY PLEASING, UH, METHOD.
AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT REALLY ENHANCES THAT DOWNTOWN ATMOSPHERE.
SO, UH, WHAT I WAS TASKED ASKED TO DO WAS, UH, LOOK AT THREE DIFFERENT INTER OR SIX INTERSECTIONS.
UH, ONE RUNNING DOWN P*****K STREET AND ONE RUNNING DOWN SOUTH FRONT STREET, THREE RUNNING DOWN AT SOUTH FRONT STREET.
UM, THERE'S A DETAIL I'LL SHOW YOU IN SOME OF THESE HANDOUTS YOU DID, YOU SHOULD ALL HAVE
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HANDOUTS.TWO OF 'EM ARE GONNA BE FROM THE PROJECT, UH, FROM THE PRODUCT PROVIDERS.
AND ONE AT THE END IS A LITTLE, LITTLE EXHIBIT OF THE INTERSECTIONS WE LOOKED AT.
AND A AND A PLANNING LEVEL COST ESTIMATE ON WHAT, WHAT THAT'S GONNA TAKE.
UM, NOW AGAIN, LOOKING AT LOOKING AT COMPANIES, TRYING TO FIND PRODUCTS THAT CAN, CAN CONFORM THIS, UM, FOSTER, HE FOUND, UH, UH, PAVE WAY SYSTEMS OUT OF FLORIDA AND WE IN, IN THE PUBLIC WORK SIDE, WE JUMPED ON THE WIDE WORLD OF GOOGLE AND FOUND AND LOOKED AT OTHER, SEVERAL OTHER COMPANIES, UH, SPENT SOME TIME IN NARROW DOWN TO TWO.
ONE IS THE, UH, PAVE WAY SYSTEMS. THEY'RE OUT OF, UH, FLORIDA, HOME FLORIDA.
AND THE OTHER IS PATTERN PAVING OUT FOR MILL, SOUTH CAROLINA, WHICH IS JUST OUTSIDE OF CHARLOTTE.
UM, SO THE FIRST ONE WILL BE THE, THE PAVE WAY SYSTEMS. THIS IS, UH, THEY, THEY CALL IT A PATTERN PAVEMENT OVERLAY.
I LIKE TO, UH, I LOOK TO ME IT WAS VERY SIMILAR TO A CHIP SEAL, UM, BUT VERY, BUT NOT YOUR BLACK TAR AND ROCK.
THIS IS A, AN EPOXY ADHESIVE THAT THEY LAY DOWN AND THEN THEY HAVE THIS, UH, COLORED AGGREGATE.
UM, THEY ALL DO MANY DIFFERENT COLORS, UM, AND THEY LAY AGGREGATE ON TOP AND THAT BONDS IT TO RESEARCHERS OF YOUR PAVEMENT.
THEY CAN, UH, THEY PUT DOWN A STENCIL PATTERN FOR A BRICK, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'LL LAY THAT, UM, CHIP SEAL, THEY'LL LAY THAT, UH, PATTERN DOWN AND THEY'LL PICK UP THE STENCIL AND YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE IT IN THE PAVEMENT.
THE BROCHURE, THEY HAD A REALLY DETAILED BROCHURE THERE.
YOU CAN SEE ALL THE DIFFERENT, UH, TECHNIQUES AND ASPECTS WITH IT.
IT IS, IT'S PRETTY NEAT, HONESTLY, UH, LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE SYSTEMS, YOU KNOW, I, MY PART, ALL THESE COMPANIES HAVE GREAT MARKETING, GREAT SALES FORCE.
UH, MY JOB IS, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN START LOOKING AT THE CHINKS IN THE ARMOR HERE AND SEE WHAT MAKES SENSE AND WHAT DOESN'T FOR WHAT WE WANT.
UM, AND I WAS KIND OF SKEPTICAL WITH THIS, BUT, UH, THE MORE AND MORE I LOOKED INTO IT, IT REALLY SEEMS LIKE A GOOD PRODUCT.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY GONNA SEND US SOME SAMPLES NEXT WEEK, SO I'M GONNA DROP THAT OFF YOUR OFFICE IF YOU WANT TO, YOU KNOW, MEET AGAIN AND PASS THAT AROUND OF SOME OF THEIR, THEIR ITEMS. BUT, UM, ONE BENEFIT THAT, THAT I LIKED, UM, IS THE PREP WORKS PRETTY MINIMAL.
NOW, THIS, IF, IF YOU HAVE GOOD PAVEMENT AND YOUR INTERSECTIONS, UH, DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF PATCHING AND A LOT AND A LOT OF DISREPAIR, UH, A STREET SWEEPER, UH, SOME POWER WASHING AND THEY CAN APPLY.
I WILL ALL STRESS THOUGH, LOOKING AT SOME OF THE INTERSECTIONS, WE MAY ALSO WANT TO CONSIDER REPAVING.
THE OTHER PRODUCT DOES REQUIRE THAT.
UM, 'CAUSE LAST THING YOU WANT TO DO IS SPEND ALL THIS MONEY, UH, ON THIS BEAUTIFUL INTERSECTION AND A WEEK LATER YOU'RE TAKING IT BACK UP TO MAKE A REPAIR.
WE REALLY WANT TO, YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT SOME OF THAT, THAT OUTSIDE WORK.
UM, AGAIN, THEY DO HAVE A BROAD VARIETY OF PATTERNS.
UM, THEIR INSTALLATION CAN BE COMPLETED AT NIGHT.
THESE, ALL THESE CONTRACTORS, THESE ONE, THEY ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY WORK AT NIGHT.
THEY'RE WORKING IN THESE VERY SIMILAR DOWNTOWN NEIGHBORHOODS, HYPER HISTORY AREAS, HIGH BUSINESS DISTRICTS.
ONCE THIS PRODUCT IS PLACED AND INSTALLED, IT'S A THREE HOUR CARE TIME.
SO IT SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY INTERSECTIONS.
I COULD DO IT ONE NIGHT, BUT I SHOULD NOT, YOU KNOW, AFFECT BUSINESS DOWNTOWN.
UM, BEING A PROPRIETARY PRODUCT FOR PAVE WAY SYSTEMS, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN IN-HOUSE, UH, INSTALLERS, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, ENHANCES THEIR QUALITY.
IT, IT, IT'S, UH, QC BETTER CONTROL.
UM, HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, 1, 1, 1 THING TO THINK ABOUT THERE IS IF WE DO HAVE A MINOR PATCH THAT WE NEED TO MAKE, WE AREN'T ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, BUY THAT PRODUCT.
WE CAN'T USE OUR OWN FORCES TO MAKE THESE SMALLER REPAIRS.
WE'D HAVE TO THINK ABOUT HOW THAT'S GONNA LOOK.
UH, TRYING TO BRING THEM UP TO MAKE THOSE, UM, THE DURABILITY.
EIGHT TO 10 YEARS, MOST OF THESE PRODUCTS, UM, ARE THAT SAME, SAME TIME.
PRIMARILY COULDN'T FIND A DIFFERENCE IN MANY OF THOSE, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH THE PAVE THE LIFE OF YOUR ASPHALT PAVEMENT.
SO BY THE, BY THE TIME YOU'RE READY TO REPAID, UM, THIS PRODUCT TOO IS READY.
KNOW MEANS WE NEED TO BE REPLACED REGARDLESS.
UM, PAVE WAY SYSTEMS, THEY'VE, THEY'VE DONE, UH, SEVERAL PROJECTS IN NORTH CAROLINA.
UM, THEIR, THE D THEIR DOT APPROVED, THE DO TS ACTUALLY USED THEM ON, ON A BRIDGE PROJECT IN COLUMBIA, NORTH CAROLINA ON A BRIDGE THAT, I CAN'T, CAN'T PRONOUNCE THE NAME PRETTY LONG.
BUT, UH, THEY DID A BIG BRICK PATTERN ON THEIR, THEIR SIDEWALK.
UM, THEY'RE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THE DOT NORMALLY THAT'S KIND OF THE GOLD STANDARD PRODUCT THAT YOU'VE BEEN APPROVED AT THAT LEVEL.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE PRETTY LEGITIMATE.
UM, HIGH POINT IN ASH PER, THEY'VE ALSO HAD SOME MUNICIPAL PROJECTS IN THOSE COMMUNITIES.
UM, THE SECOND WAS PATTERN PAVING OUT OUT OF FORT MILL.
PATTERN PAVING IS A THERMOPLASTIC,
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UH, THERMOPLASTIC BONDING, UH, PAVEMENT MARKING, WHICH IS IT WHAT'S BEING USED ON MOST OF OUR STREETS IN TOWN.IT'S, IT, IT'S A THICK HIGH DENSITY PLASTIC THAT THEY MELT ONTO THE PAVEMENT.
IT'S GOT CLASS BEADS IN IT FOR REFLECTIVITY.
IT'S GOT SOME SAND ON TOP OF IT FOR SKIN RESISTANCE.
HOWEVER, UM, YOU KNOW, MY OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, WALMART, YOU KNOW, THEIR THERMO THAT THERE, THERE'S THERMO CROSSWALKS RIGHT IN FRONT WHEN I'M WALKING ACROSS AND FLIPFLOPS AFTER A RAIN.
IT, IT'S, I'VE ABOUT SLIPPED AND, AND TAKING MYSELF OUT A FEW TIMES.
SO, UM, I THINK ABOUT THAT WHEN WITH STOP BARS WITH THESE THICKER CROSS WASH AND MOTORCYCLES ALSO HAVE, HAVE DIFFICULTY, UH, IN WET CONDITIONS ON THAT THERMOPLASTIC.
UM, SO IT'S JUST ANOTHER, ANOTHER ITEM TO DIG INTO MORE DETAIL WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE A DECISION.
THEY ALSO HAVE A BROAD VARIETY OF PATTERNS AND COLOR COLORS TO CHOOSE THIS THERMO.
UH, THE OTHER BIG DIFFERENCE WITH, UH, PATTERN PAVING, THEY WILL, THEY WERE GONNA REQUIRE, UH, A NEW, NEW PAVEMENT.
SO WE NEED TO DO AT LEAST A MILL AND REPAVE AN INCH ASPHALT IN THAT INTERSECTION AREA.
UM, THEN THEY WILL COME IN AND REHEAT THAT ASPHALT AND THEY HAVE A, A STEEL WIRE, UH, BRICK PATTERN THAT THEY'LL LAY DOWN AND THEY USE A PLATE TAMPER TO, TO FORM THAT INTO THE, INTO THE ASPHALT LAYER.
UM, THEN THEY HAVE THIS THERMOPLASTIC, UH, THE, THE BRICK AND FOUR BY FOUR SHEETS THAT THEY LAY DOWN, AND THEY'LL MELT THOSE THAT THERMOPLASTIC IN ON, INTO THAT, UH, ASPHALT, AND THEY COME BACK OVER WITH THAT, UH, MESH AND REFORM THAT BRICK PATTERN.
UM, SO THERE'S A LITTLE, THERE'S A FEW MORE STEPS IN THAT IF THERE'S MORE UPFRONT, UM, PREP WORK WITH, WITH THE PAVING.
UM, AGAIN, IF YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE COST INTERSECTION, YOU MAY WANT TO REPAY A LOT OF THESE INTERSECTIONS IN THEIR WAY.
THEY, THEY SUBCONTRACT THEIR WORK, SO THEY WOULD BE, WE WOULD, WE WOULD, WE WOULD NEED TO WORK WITH THEM TO FIND LOCAL CONTRACTORS OR CONTRACTORS NEARBY THAT COULD, THAT COULD DO THAT WORK.
UM, ONE OF THE BENEFITS THERE, AGAIN, WE MAY BE ABLE TO DO SMALL PATCHES.
WE MAYBE OUR, OUR STAFF, WE WILL TRAIN THEM UP AND, AND, AND TAKE CARE OF THAT.
SO WE'RE NOT HAVING TO EXPEND SPEND MORE EXPENSE WHEN WINNING IF WE DO HAVE TO DO, MAKE SOME REPAIRS.
DURABILITY IS EIGHT TO 10 YEARS SIMILAR TO, UH, PAVE WASTE SYSTEMS. AND THEY, PATTERN PAVING HAS COMPLETED PROJECTS IN GREENSBORO, DURHAM, AND RALEIGH, RALEIGH AREAS.
THEY HAVE A COUPLE LITTLE DIFFERENCES IN, IN THEIR STYLE, BUT, UM, COSTS, WE LOOK AT COSTS.
THAT'S, THERE'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENCE THERE.
UM, PAVE WASTE SYSTEMS IS 15 TO $17 PER SQUARE FOOT.
UH, THE LAST PAGE IS SHOWING YOU ON, ON THE COST BREAKDOWN.
IT'S SOME BASIC ITEMS. THERE'S THE MOBILIZATION, THE COST OF BRING THEM UP HERE TO HOUSE THEIR PEOPLE TO GET THE WORK DONE.
YOU'VE GOT TRAFFIC CONTROL, EVEN MIDDLE AT NIGHT.
YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO TAKE BARRICADES AND FLAGS AND, UM, HANDLE THAT.
BUT WITH, UM, THE PAVED WASTE SYSTEM, YOU'RE LOOKING AT APPROXIMATELY, UH, 40 35, 35 TO $40,000 IN INTERSECTION.
AND THAT WOULD BE TO INSTALL A BRICK, UH, PATTERN CROSSING ON ALL FOUR LEGS WITH, UH, THE WHITE STRIPE, THE WHITE DOMAIN THREADS OF THAT WALKWAY.
UM, PATTERN PAVING, THE THERMOPLASTIC STYLE.
THAT'S GONNA BE, UM, A LITTLE MORE, AGAIN, WITH EACH INTERSECTION BEING MILLED AND PAVED, UM, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 50 TO $60,000 IN INTERSECTION.
AND DEPENDING ON HOW MANY INTERSECTIONS WE NEED TO DO OR WE WANT TO DO, UM, THE COST ARE DOWN ON THAT IN THAT DETAIL.
ONE QUESTION I DID ASK THEM WAS, YOU KNOW, WHEN THERE'S GONNA COME, WHAT, WHAT COST IS IT GONNA TAKE TO GET YOU UP HERE? YOU KNOW, IF WE WANNA DO ONE OR TWO INTERSECTIONS, IS THAT ENOUGH? UM, AND IT'S DEBATABLE
AND THAT WHOLE COST QUALITY SCHEDULE SCENARIO.
SO YOU, SO YOU'VE ALL BEEN TO, UH, TO COMMUNITIES WHERE THEY'VE HAD A STAMP PATTERN BEFORE, AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS MAY HAVE BEEN BEEN PAINTED AND IT WEARS OUT AFTER SIX MONTHS.
AND THIS IS NOT LIKE THIS WITH, ON BOTH PRODUCTS LIKE THIS.
THEY'VE GOT THE COLOR IN THERE FOR EIGHT TO 10 YEARS, AND THAT'S A WARRANTY ON IT.
AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT WE ARE MISSING IN OUR DOWNTOWN.
SOMETHING THAT IN OUR CROSSWALKS THAT IS, THAT IS DEFINING, UH, THIS IS SOMETHING FOR THE, THE COMMITTEE TO CONSIDER.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO GET MORE INFORMATION OR, OR ACTUALLY GET, GET SOME ACTUAL QUOTES FROM THE COMPANIES, WE CAN DO THAT.
BUT WE JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE THIS INFORMATION, UH, TO SEE IF, UH, IF YOU WANTED US TO MOVE FORWARD AND, AND GET SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THIS.
ONE THING I WANTED TO ADD, UM,
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YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU HAVE INTERSECTIONS WITH STORM DRAINAGE AND SANITARY SEWER, THAT GIVES OPPORTUNITIES FOR, UM, UM, PLACES WHERE THE PIPE BREAKS AND THEN YOU HAVE THE UNDERMINING OF THE PAVEMENT AND, AND FAILURE THERE.DID THEY HAVE, DID YOU TALK TO THEM ABOUT, OR DID THEY MENTION, UM, IF YOU SHOULD SLIP LINE, ANY UTILITIES AROUND THOSE AREAS TO GIVE IT MORE LIFE? THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE REALLY A RESPONSIBILITY ON MUNICIPALITY.
UM, IS IT, WE WILL, WE WOULD KNOW THE CONDITION OF OUR, OF OUR SYSTEM IN THOSE AREA.
THERE BE COORDINATION WITH A LOT OF RESOURCES.
UM, AND JORDAN OVER THERE, UH, WOULD PROBABLY DO A CHECK WITH THAT AND MAKE SURE THERE WASN'T ANYTHING, UH, OF CONCERN, YOU KNOW.
BUT AGAIN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.
UM, VARI VARIED, HIGH VARIED STRUCTURES.
YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT, WHAT COULD HAPPEN.
UM, THAT'S SOMETHING MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE AN ASSESSMENT DONE BEFORE MONEY'S SPENT ON, ON THIS, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND, AND, AND SO THAT COST IS FACTORED IN.
UM, WE'VE GOT A LOVELY CROSSWALK IN FRONT OF JAMES REED LANE RIGHT NOW THAT I BELIEVE IS ACTUAL BRICK IN LAKE.
UM, HAS THAT BEEN CONSIDERED, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE COST OF DOING TRUE BRICK INLAY VERSUS THE FAUX BRICK? YES.
I, I DON'T HAVE THE COST WITH ME.
UM, WE HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT.
I CAN'T TELL YOU IT'S GONNA BE A HIGHER COST.
UM, THERE ARE ALSO INHERENT ISSUES WITH, WITH BRICK PACK CROSSWALKS ON, ON HIGHER TRAFFIC AREAS.
UM, SETTLING, UH, POPPING OUT IN BRICKS ARE FRONT STREET ROUNDABOUT, UM, THE TRUCK TRAFFIC ON THERE.
WE'RE CONSTANTLY MAKING REPAIRS.
UM, BUT MOST OF THE TIME THESE ARE SELECTED BECAUSE IT'S COST EFFECTIVE.
WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS AS WELL.
I THINK THE BIGGEST, THE BIGGEST SETBACK FOR ME WITH, WITH INSTALLING ACTUAL BRICK AND IT LOOKS GOOD, GOOD IN THE AREAS WE HAVE, WOULD'VE HAD MORE ISSUES IN FRONT OF THE PALACE THAN ANY, ANY PLACE ELSE.
BUT IT IS THE TIME IT'S GONNA TAKE TO PUT THAT BRICK IN, UH, PUT THE GR IN THERE AND FOR IT TO CURE OUT BEFORE VEHICLE TRAFFIC CAN COME IN, THAT THAT'S THE ISSUE.
AND WHETHER IT'S DONE HALF ROAD AT ONE TIME AND THEN ALLOWING TRAFFIC.
SO IT'S JUST WORKING SOMETHING LIKE THAT OUT.
BUT WE COULD CERTAINLY GET SOME PRICES ON THAT AS WELL.
WE STILL HAVE ALL THAT OLD BRICK THAT WAS TAKEN UP FROM THE STREET.
I MEAN, WE HAD TONS AND TONS OF IT.
WE'VE GOT QUITE, QUITE A BIT OF THAT.
I CAN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY HOW MUCH THOUGH.
AND AND STAFF CAN FIND THAT OUT FOR US.
SAME, WE'VE GOT ALL THAT OLD BREAKDOWNS, THE STREETS, THE ENTIRE INTERSECTION IN FRONT OF PALACE IS A NIGHTMARE, BUT THE CROSSWALK ON P*****K IS NOT A NIGHTMARE.
IT WAS LIKE IT WAS DONE YESTERDAY.
I, I'D BE CURIOUS TO KNOW THE MAGNITUDE OF THE COST DIFFERENCE.
UM, AND I WILL SAY ALSO THAT THERE ARE TWO, I THINK BRICK CROSSWALK ON THE 100 BLOCK OF MIDDLE STREET THAT ARE PRETTY HORRIBLE.
I IT IS LIKE, IT'S HARD TO TELL IF THEY'RE PUT IN TO BE CROSSWALKS OR PUT IN TO BE SPEED BUMPS.
UM, AND THEY, BUT THEY'RE, AND YOU KNOW, 90% OF THOSE ARE, IT'S THE COST.
THE GOOD CROSSWALK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I BELIEVE ON THAT ONE YOU THAT I GOT CONCRETE, A THICK CONCRETE BASE.
WELL THAT'S THE FORCE OF THAT FOR THAT.
AND I WOULD SAY IF YOU'RE GOING TO TELL US WHAT IT WOULD COST TO DO REAL BRICK, DO IT RIGHT.
DON'T DO IT LIKE IN FRONT OF THE PALACE, I THINK THAT'S A SAND BASE THAT IT SETTLED AND IT'S WOBBLY AND IT'S RIGHT.
AND, AND SO WHEN WE, I'M SORRY.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PROJECTS LIKE THIS, AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THIS ANYWHERE IN THE CITY.
AND SO YES, MSD WOULD PAY FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, BUT NOT NECESSARILY IF WE HAVE TO TEAR ASPHALT OUT, REPAY, UM, WE REPAY OTHER AREAS ALL THE TIME.
WE HAVE TO DO ANY INFRASTRUCTURE IN TERMS OF PIPES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THAT'S NOT NOTHING THAT MSD WOULD PAY.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICALLY THE PRODUCT OR THE BRICK OR WHATNOT THAT'S INSTALLED FOR THAT.
UM, WHEN WAS THAT ONE DONALD FILE STREET? YOU DON'T KNOW OFF TOP OF YOUR HEAD.
THAT WAS DONE RIGHT AROUND THE TIME OF THE, UM, BI TRICENTENNIAL.
WELL, AND THE SECOND QUESTION OF THAT IS WHAT WOULD BE THE LIFE CYCLE OF THAT? 'CAUSE YOU SAID ONE, THESE ARE EIGHT TO 10 YEARS THAN BALLPARK.
SO IF THAT'S LOOKING AS GOOD AS IT
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IS IN 14 YEARS, IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE IN 30 YEARS.WELL, THAT, THAT MIGHT, MIGHT BE BETTER TO SPEND OUR MONEY UP.
UM, AND I THINK AS WE MOVE FORWARD TO, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE NOT INEXPENSIVE PROJECTS, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD AND GET PRICING AND BRING IT BACK.
AND WE NEED TO LOOK AT TOTAL PACKAGING BECAUSE THERE'S MONEY THERE.
BUT I WANT, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT SPENT AS A CONGLOMERATE AND BORROW THE MONEY AND DO IT THAT WAY AND GET MANY THINGS DONE VERSUS LITTLE CASHIER, LITTLE CASH THERE AND NOT GET A LOT OF STUFF.
THE OTHER THING THAT THESE DO AT A LOWER COST IS IT CREATES A, A, A VISUAL THAT CONTROLS TRAFFIC.
WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD AND YOU'RE NOT SEEING A CROSSWALK OR YOU'RE JUST SEEING WHITE STRIPES, THAT'S NOT AS VISUAL, BUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS'S CLEARLY A DIFFERENT MATERIAL.
AND THE DRIVER'S GONNA GO, OH, THERE'S, THERE'S SOMETHING.
JUST THE AESTHETICS OF IT, IT JUST DEFINES OUR, OUR DOWNTOWN.
IT SAYS WELCOME AND JUST KIND OF YES.
IS THERE ANY PLAN TO CONSIDER ADDITIONAL, UH, CROSSWALKS LIKE ON BROAD STREET? WELL, THIS ONE WOULD BE MIDDLE AND BROAD.
THERE'D BE TWO, UH, MIDDLE AND BROAD AND CRAVEN AND BROAD, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE M MSS D GOES.
WELL, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, SEE AT THE TOP.
SEE THAT'S BROAD STREET UP THERE.
SO YOU'VE GOT THESE POP P*****K.
AND THOSE ARE IN THE MSD AS WELL.
SAY THAT, THAT WOULD BE NINE INTERSECTIONS THEN AS OPPOSED TO YEAH.
AND YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS AN OPTION TO EXPAND THE SCOPE OF IF THAT MAKES THIS PROJECT MORE YEAH.
I WOULD SAY A PROJECT LIKE THIS, DO IT.
DON'T TAKE MULTIPLE PIPES AT THE APPLE HOLE, BUT DO IT OR NOT.
AND I ALSO THINK IT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED TO PUT IT AT THE, UM, CROSSWALK AT BEAR PLAZA THAT, THAT MEAN THEY GOT THE SIGN OUT THERE.
BUT I THINK THAT'S LOOK GREAT THERE.
AND THE GOAL THIS CAME UP BEFORE GOAL WOULD BE TO PUT IT ON CRAVEN STREET AS WELL.
THAT WAY YOU'VE GOT CROSSWALK IN THE CENTER AT JAMES THREE LANE BEAR PLAZA, AND THEN AT THE, AT THE LOT PARKING LOT AS WELL.
I I WHAT ABOUT, IS THERE ANY KIND OF PREFERENCE ON AN 88 PERSPECTIVE AS TO WHICH TYPE WOULD BE BETTER OR IS ALL THESE BOTH ARE PROBABLY ALLIANCE AND THEY CHECK BOXES RELATED TO THESE CROSSWALKS.
UM, HAS THE CITY GIVEN ANY CONSIDERATION TO PUTTING IN LIKE WALK, DON'T WALK SIGNS AT SOME OF THESE INTERSECTIONS? UH, UM, THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS ARE NOT NECESSARILY TERRIBLY VISIBLE TO PEDESTRIANS AND THE NUMBER OF TIMES THAT PEOPLE START WALKING RIGHT WHEN THE LIGHT TURNS GREEN AND THEY'RE STEPPING IN FRONT OF CARS, IS I, IT SEEMS TO BE AN ISSUE IN MY EXPERIENCE.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE FEELS THAT.
DRIVERS JUST DON'T EVEN PAY ATTENTION ANYMORE.
I MEAN, AND I, I WOULD HATE TO HAVE EACH FLASHING THING THAT THERE'S SOMETHING SMALL AND TASTEFUL.
I THINK ONE THING WE SEE, BECAUSE WE'VE TWO AREAS DOWNTOWN RIGHT NOW, EAST, WE'VE GOT ONE ON BROAD STREET AND UH, MIDDLE STREET AND PEOPLE DON'T USE THOSE AT THE TIME.
AND SO SENSOR TYPE WOULD BE GREAT.
I'M NOT, YEAH, I'M NOT TALK, I DON'T USE THE FLASHING THING BECAUSE THAT PERSONALLY I THINK IT'S OBNOXIOUS.
BUT, UM, BUT IF, IF THE SIGN SAYS DON'T WALK, AT LEAST I KNOW THE LOOK BOAT.
BUT I'M GONNA BE FOREWARNED AND LOOK.
UM, AND, AND I JUST, I THINK RIGHT NOW WE'RE EXPECTING TOO MUCH OF THE CITIZENRY TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT FROM THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS YEAH.
WHETHER THEY CAN GO OR NOT GO.
AND SO CITYWIDE THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE ANY OF THOSE.
I THINK DOT MAY HAVE SOME IN A, IN AN AREA OR TWO.
WE DO HAVE DOWN AT, UM, I THINK WE'VE GOT THAT DOWN AT UNION POINT PARK THOUGH.
WE'VE GOT THOSE FLASHING LIGHTS RIGHT WHEN YOU GO ACROSS THE MIDDLE STREET, WE'VE GOT TWO OF THOSE.
IF SOMEBODY WALKS INTO THE INTERSECTION, NO, NO LIGHT YET.
COME FOSTERER, NO TRAFFIC LEFT THERE, YOU UH, NO, BUT IT DON'T WANNA SPEND MY MONEY.
DO YOU HAVE AN UPDATE ON THAT? UH, WE MET WITH THE CONTRACTOR THIS MORNING, UM, AT 10 TO GO OVER THE ELECTRICAL CONNECTION AND HOOK UP.
AND I HAVEN'T HEARD, I, I'VE BEEN IN THE OFFICE BACK, BUT THEY WERE COMING WITH THEIR SCHEDULE ON THE POOL DELIVERY, A LOT OF THE CONTROL, THE SCHEDULES AND MATERIAL, UM, WITH A LIGHT POLE OR THE SIGNAL POLES.
WE ALSO, UH, ARE LOOKING AT THIS SIGNAL IS GONNA HAVE AN AUDIBLE SYSTEM, UM, TIED INTO IT.
SO YOU MENTIONED IT'S MORE FOR A DA THAN CONTROLLING THE CROSSING, BUT IT WILL, IT WILL HAVE, UH, ALWAYS BEACONS WHEN FOR CROP, WHEN YOU'RE ALLOWED, WHAT INTERSECTION IS THAT? MILL AND ROD RIGHT THERE.
GOING BACK TO THIS ONE OTHER QUESTION.
IS THERE A PREFERENTIAL TIME OF THE YEAR THAT
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YOU WOULD INSTALL SOMETHING LIKE THIS? MEAN THESE ARE, UH, MOSTLY TEMPERATURE, RIGHT? 50 DEGREES, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WAS THE LOWEST OF THE LIMIT, WHICH HERE WE NORMALLY HAVE TOO MUCH, UM, CONCERN.SO IT, IT'S PRETTY FLEXIBLE AND IT CURES PRETTY QUICKLY, I WOULD GUESS.
THE, UH, THE PATTERN PAVE THE, THE, THE KIND OF CHIPS YOU WANT TALK ABOUT.
THAT'S THREE, THAT'S A THREE HOUR PERIOD TIME.
THE THERMO ONCE, IT'S ABOUT AN HOUR AFTER THEY PULL OUT, IT'S IN THE DRIVE ON.
IT'S PRETTY SETS UP PRETTY QUICK.
UM, SO, UM, DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE? NOT YET.
I, I WANTED TO GET IT ALL OUT THERE.
I I'M USUALLY NOT, NOT THE DECISION MAKER.
I LIKE TO GIVE YOU GUYS ALL OF THE, UM, ALL OF THE INFORMATION AND 66 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR IS COMPELLING.
AND I THINK BOTH OF 'EM HAVE ADVANTAGES, BUT ONE THING I DO LIKE ABOUT THE THERMO IS THAT IT DOES HAVE THE, THE REFLECTIVITY IN THERE WITH WHICH CARS ARE DRIVING BY THERE NIGHT, IT LIGHTS THE AREA UP A LITTLE BIT AND THE OTHER DOES NOT HAVE THAT.
UM, AND THAT'S ALWAYS APPEALING.
UM, SO THE BREAKDOWN IN EIGHT TO 10 YEARS, DO WE KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE? I MEAN, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE IN 10 YEARS? IT, YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THINNING OF THE, OF THE PRODUCT.
YOU'LL STILL HAVE THE SAME, FOR THE MOST PART.
YOU HAVE THE SAME COLOR PATTERN.
YOU'RE GONNA GET SOME, UM, BIRD, UM, IT WON'T BE AS BRIGHT 'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TRAFFIC OVER IT FADING.
UM, BUT, UM, WILL IT STAIN IF SOMEBODY DROPS A DRINK? YOU KNOW, A SODA? NO, NO.
I, I BELIEVE, UH, IN ONE OF THE BROCHURES WE EVEN, THEY WERE REAL PROUD OF THEIR SNOW AND, UH, SNOW PILE, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT HERE, BUT THEY ASSISTANCE TO THAT.
UM, AND, AND WHILE WHERE I, I WAS, CAME FROM UP NORTH, UM, AND I DEALT WITH SNOW A LOT.
AND UH, THAT WAS WHAT WE LIKED ABOUT THERMO.
WHEN THE SNOW PLOW DOES RUN OVER IT, IT SHAVES JUST A LITTLE BIT OFF OF IT AND ESSENTIALLY PEELS BACK A NEW LAYER.
UM, YOU NEED TO DO THAT MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE TIMES.
IT'S A VERY THICK, THICK PLASTIC.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE KEEPING THAT BRIGHT COLOR, UM, JUST BY, YOU KNOW, FLYING ON THE ROAD AND THE WEARING OF THE, OF THE PRODUCT.
SO IN 10 YEARS WE UM, HAVE TO REPLACE IT AND IT COSTS WHATEVER AMOUNT, UH, X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS VERSUS REAL BRICK, WHICH WE DO, WE DON'T THINK ABOUT IT FOR THE NEXT A HUNDRED YEARS, JUST PASSING A NEW BRICK, YOU KNOW, PUT ONE NEW BRICK IN.
SO IN IN, IN THAT SENSE, AT THE EIGHT TO 10 YEARS, IS IT, YOU KNOW, REDOING IT ALL OVER AGAIN? OR IS IT OH, YEAH, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, YOU, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO REPAVE AFTER 10 YEARS.
SO NO MATTER WHAT, UH, IF IT LASTED 20 YEARS, IT WOULDN'T DO YOU ANY GOOD BECAUSE THE PAVEMENT UNDERNEATH IT MOST LIKELY WOULD WEAR OUT BEFORE THE PRODUCT WOULD.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW SEVERAL COMMUNITIES THAT WERE TAKING OUT THERE REAL BRICK SIDEWALKS BECAUSE OF ISSUES THAT HAVE WITH SETTLING.
AND LIKE ALL YOUR INSTALLATIONS WILL BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IF YOU'RE USING DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS.
UM, AND THEY LIKE THE UNIFORM UNIFORMITY OF, OF THESE PRO THESE OTHER PRODUCTS TO KEEP A BETTER ROAD BASE.
AND IF YOU, WITH THE REAL BRICK, IF YOU HAVE WATER, YOU HAVE CHANCE OF WATER GETTING FROM THE BASE OF YOUR ROAD, WHICH IS THE ULTIMATE KILLER OF YOUR ROADS.
IF YOU GET WET AND WATER UNDERNEATH THERE, YOUR BASE STARTS TO FAIL.
UM, SO THEY'LL GET CRACKING, UM, FREE STALL.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT TOO MUCH HERE, BUT YOU FREE STALL THERE AND YOU START POPPING OUT BRICKS.
UH, IT'S REALLY BEEN A HEADACHE TO, TO, TO MANY COMMUNITIES, UM, WITH THEIR EXISTING BRICK CROSSWALKS, UNLESS THEY DID THE CADILLAC.
AND YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE CONCRETE BASE OR FOUR SIX INCH CONCRETE BASE, MAYBE MORE.
UM, YES, YOU HAVE CONCRETE, UH, SIDEWALL ON IT TO KIND OF HOLD THAT BRICK INTO PLACE.
UM, THE LI TOWN TO WHERE THEY, THEY WOULD HAVE A CONCRETE RUNNING RIGHT DOWN THE CROWN OF THE ROAD, THE CENTER LINE OF THE ROAD AND CONCRETE CURBING BETTER IN ALL BOXES THAT WERE IN CONCRETE BASE, EVERYTHING.
YEAH, BUT YOU'RE TALKING IT'S A VERY
THE ONLY THING I COULD SAY IS POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING THESE ARE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING, MAYBE THERE'S POTENTIALLY SAFETY VANS.
UM, I WOULD, THAT'S NOT, NOT ON FORGE, BUT, UM, DEALING WITH PEDESTRIANS AND, AND, AND BEING A SAFETY ENHANCEMENT THAT WE MAY HAVE BRING UP.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DAVE? UM, WHAT WE'LL DO IS, AGAIN, PUT THIS TO A WORKSHOP.
UH, WE'RE GONNA GET FOSTER TO GET SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS FOR US AND SEE, AND AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON TOWARDS LIKE A MAJOR PROJECT HERE AND TRYING TO DO SOME THINGS AND REALLY GET, GET SOME BANG FOR OUR BUCK HERE.
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LET'S GO AHEAD.NOW WE ARE AT THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SO, UH, IS THERE ANY, IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
SEEING, SEEING NONE, SEEING NONE.
LET'S MOVE ON, UM, TO OUR NEXT WORKSHOP DATE.
UM, POTENTIALLY WE COULD COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS AND CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION WITHIN THE MORGAN'S AREA.
YOU KNOW, WE GOT SOME INFORMATION ON PARKING, UH, FROM, FROM LYNN THE LAST TIME SHE WAS HERE.
WE COULD JUST CONCENTRATE ON THE, THE MORGAN'S LOT AREA AND TRY TO SEE IF WE COULD SOLVE SOMETHING.
OUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING, OUR ADVISORY BOARD MEETING IS NOT TILL AUGUST THE 20TH.
SO WE HAVE BETWEEN NOW AND THEN TO HAVE AS MANY WORKSHOPS AS WE WANT OR DO EVERYTHING.
THE OTHER THING I HAVE TO MENTION AND FOSTER, I'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT TO KIM ABOUT THIS, IS, YOU KNOW, IT IS BUDGET TIME.
SO THE CITY'S WORKING ON A BUDGET.
OF COURSE THE MSD BUDGET IS INCLUDED IN THAT.
UM, I'M ASSUMING THAT HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE WORD THAT MSD IS NOT GOING TO HAVE A TAX INCREASE.
SO WE DON'T NEED TO, TO DISCUSS THAT.
UM, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA BE SHOWING THAT WE'RE GONNA BE SPENDING QUOTE UNQUOTE ANY MONEY AT THIS POINT.
THE BEAUTY OF WHAT WE'LL DO IS THAT WE'LL MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS GOING FORWARD TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN WHO WOULD THEN VOTE ON IT AND THEN MAKE SPECIAL APPROPRIATIONS WITH THE CITY MANAGER TO MOVE THE MONEY.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY HAVE THAT IN THERE.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO DO AS AN ADVISORY GROUP TO DISCUSS THE BUDGET OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? I DON'T THINK SO.
I THINK THAT IT WILL, IT'LL JUST BE IN THE FORM OF BUDGET AMENDMENTS AS WE GO ALONG THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
UM, ANY PROGRESS, MARK? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO ANY IDEAS ABOUT WHEN YOU'D LIKE TO SEE, UH, THE NEXT WORKSHOP? WELL, HERE THE BOOKS FIRST.
WELL, THE 21ST WAS WHEN WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE OUR MEETING.
AND THEN WE MOVED IT BACK TO THIS BECAUSE THEY HAVE BUDGET SESSIONS.
HOW ABOUT BILL BERRY? SEE IF YOU CAN, YEAH, I MEAN THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
WE COULD DO A, I'D LIKE TO DO A WHOLE WORKSHOP, YOU KNOW, GO BACK TO THE MORGANS LOT DOING WORKSHOPS, REALLY TRYING TO START, LET'S KEY IN ON SOME STUFF.
WE'RE GONNA KICK THIS CAN DOWN THE ROAD.
AND WE'LL HAVE NOT MADE ANY HEADWAY.
WE'RE WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING INFORMATION.
WE'RE UNDERSTANDING, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S BACK THERE? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COMPACTORS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WE'RE GONNA STAY IN THE FOOTPRINT.
DO WE REALLY WANNA SEE WHERE WE CAN PUT THESE TRASH CANS? MAYBE WE HAVE TO HAVE A TOTALLY NEW IDEA.
EVERYBODY NEEDS TO THINK ABOUT THIS.
HAVE BUSINESSES BACK THERE AND THE RESIDENTS BEFORE THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVED IN EL, THE CONDO, THERE WAS LIKE 20 OF THOSE ROLLOUT TRASH CARTS ALL THERE AND IT LOOKED TERRIBLE.
SO CONSOLIDATED TRASH IS THE WAY TO GO, YOU KNOW, BUT, BUT WAIT,
THIS ONE OVER HERE DOESN'T WANT TO WALK OVER THERE.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO JUST GIVE SOME OF THAT AND THEN ALSO SOME SORT OF AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY.
SO THE CITY'S NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF COMMUNITY.
AND I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT.
UH, WE CAN DEFINITELY MAKE THAT SOMETHING WORK.
I'M OUTTA TOWN ON THE 21ST AND THAT'S FINE.
I MEAN, THAT IS A HOLIDAY WEEK.
WE, I, I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, THROWING OUT DATES IF YOU WANT TO.
UM, WE LIKE TO HAVE TWO HOURS.
JUNE IS, CAN WE DO A MONDAY OR A WEDNESDAY OR IT'S TUESDAY.
THE FIRST TWO WEEKS OF JUNE GONE.
BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY PROBLEM.
NOW WE'RE GONNA GET INTO SUMMER VACATION AND EVERYBODY'S GONNA BE, YEAH, I'LL BE GOING THE SECOND WEEK OF JUNE.
I'M GOING THE LAST WEEK OF JUNE.
THE THIRD WEEK MIGHT WORK THE WEEK OF THE 17TH.
THAT'S A MONDAY, RIGHT? THAT'S A MONDAY.
WHAT ABOUT THE 18TH? TUESDAY THE 18TH OF JUNE.
LET'S SEE, WEDNESDAY THE 19TH.
UM, THE CITY BE CLOSED ON THE 19TH.
WE BE, YOU'RE NOT CLOSE ON THAT DAY, BUT IT IS JUNETEENTH.
CAN WE DO THURSDAY THE 20TH? DOES THAT MAKE IT HARD ON YOU GRETCHEN? YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT.
I CAN USUALLY, CAN WE DO NOON TO TWO? I'D LIKE TO HAVE TWO HOURS FOR THESE BECAUSE I WANT EVERYBODY TO YES.
UM, CAN WE JUST MAKE A MOTION PLEASE? UM, TO HAVE OUR NEXT WORKSHOP ON JUNE THE 20TH AT 12 NOON AT THE CHAMBER, SINCE IT'S NOT A REGULARLY SCHEDULED SECOND.
SO JOHNNY ROBINSON MAKES THAT AND RICKY MAKES THE SECOND.
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OKAY.SO, AND JUST TO NOTE, OUR NEXT ADVISORY BOARD MEETING WILL BE AUGUST THE 20TH.
PLEASE PUT THAT ON YOUR CALENDAR.
SO FOR THE WORK SET? YES, FOR THE WORK SESSION.
TODAY IS MY LAST DAY AS A OH, WHAT A WONDERFUL JOB.
YOU DON'T GET TO SPECIAL OVER YOUR PT, YOU'RE JUST GONNA GET WHATEVER.
BECAUSE WHEN WE HAVE TWO HOURS, WE SHOULD HAVE SOME.
WILL THAT BE HERE OR CITY HALL HERE? AUGUST THE 20TH.
HERE ALL OF OUR MEETINGS ARE NOW BEING HELD HERE.
GOING FORWARD, WE DON'T HAVE TO SIT UP ON HOT
IT BE GOOD TO HAVE ANOTHER SESSION ON THESE CROSSWALK AND DISCUSS THAT.
AS PART OF THE WHOLE PACKAGE THING.
I THINK WE NEED TO BRING THOSE SAMPLES INTO THAT.
THE SIDEWALKS PERHAPS AS WELL.
WELL WE NEED TO LOOK AT ALL OF THAT.
AND I WANNA DO A BIG PACKAGE IF WE'RE GONNA FINANCING, EXPAND NUMBER OF CROSSWALK AS WELL AS SAID SIDEWALKS FOR THE 102 THEN BECOMES A MUCH BIGGER PROJECT THERE.
A WAY TO GET A LIST OF EVERYBODY WHO IS SUPPOSED TO PUT TRASH IN THAT.
WE CAN WORK WITH SWISS BEAR ON THAT BECAUSE THEY, SHE'S THE TRASH, SHE'S THE TRASHER.
WE HAVE TRASH BAS NOW TRASH MONITOR WHO SPILLS TRASH.
MAYBE A FINANCIAL REPORT OF HOW MUCH THE CITY HAS SPENT CLEANING UP I THINK WOULD BE, YEAH, JUST TO GIVE US AN IDEA.
BUT DID KAREN GET INTRODUCED? SHE DID.
AND WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE HER WELCOME.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING FOR THE GOOD OF THE ORDER? I HAVE ONE LAST, I'M SORRY.
SO WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH HIS SEATS CAPTAIN? OH YEAH.
AND THE BOARD WILL APPOINT A NEW RESTAURANT MEMBER FROM THE RESTAURANT.
FROM THE ORIGINAL APPLICATIONS.
THEY WILL BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THAT OR THE BOARD MAY, MAY DECIDE THAT THEY WANT TO OPEN IT UP TO ANY OTHER, UH, FOLKS WHO WANT TO DO THAT, THAT QUALIFY FOR THE RESTAURANT SEAT.
AND WHEN THAT'S HAPPENING SOON OR, AND THE OTHER CONDITION I KNOW THAT CHRIS HAD ASKED ME ABOUT THIS WAS THAT THE PEOPLE THAT NOW OWN THE CHELSEA COULD BE CONSIDERED 'CAUSE THEY ARE PROPERTY OWNERS AND IF THEY DID THEY COULD POTENTIALLY, COULD BE CHRIS COULD BE THEIR APPOINTEE.
'CAUSE YOU ARE ALLOWING I BELIEVE THAT SOMEBODY TO DESIGNATE THAT DESIGNEE.
THE LAST MEETING WE DID, THE FARMER'S MARKET THING, WHERE DOES THAT STAND WITH BOARD? THAT WAS PASSED THE MONEY.
FORGIVE ME BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT SOME MEETING.
YEAH, THEY ARE ALREADY, YEAH, THAT IS GOOD.
I NEED A MOTION TO ADJOURN PLEASE.