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SO I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN UP THIS BOARD OF ALDERMAN BUDGET WORK SESSION MAY THE 21ST, 2024.
HEADS AND PRAYER TODAY, OUR FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THE BUSINESS THAT HAND.
WE THANK YOU FOR UNDERSTANDING, AND ABOVE ALL, WE THANK YOU FOR STRATEGIES.
MAY THE CONVERSATIONS TODAY LEAD TO SUCCESS AS WE COME TOGETHER TO FIND LET YOUR WILL BE DONE, AND WE ASK IT IN JESUS NAME.
[1. Discussion of Recommended FY2024-25 Budget]
DISCUSSION RECOMMENDATION OF THE Y 24 25 BUDGET.SO, UM, WE'RE GONNA, I'M GONNA START OFF BY, LET'S JUST GIVE YOU A BRIEF REVIEW OF YOUR BOOK ITSELF, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE GOING THROUGH THIS.
WE NEED PAGE NUMBERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TABS ALL THROUGHOUT INTRODUCTION.
THAT'S WHERE THE MANAGER'S MESSAGE IS.
WE'LL HAVE A SUMMARY OF A VARIETY OF REPORTS THAT WE'RE GONNA COVER INFORMATION ON, STAFFING, POSITIONING, UH, THEN IT GOES TO THE GENERAL FUND, UM, DEPARTMENTS, THEN FOLLOW UP WITH ENTERPRISE FUNDS AND THE FACT THAT YOUR BOOK WILL BE A CLASSIFICATION PLAN, WHICH WE'LL GO OVER LATER.
AND IN FRONT OF YOU BOTH, YOU'LL SEE SOME INFORMATION ON CAPITAL AND PERSONNEL REQUEST.
AND YOU ALSO SHOULD HAVE, I THINK THIS WAS GIVEN OUT DURING THE BOARD MEETING LAST TUESDAY, A GLOSSARY OF TERMS JUST IN CASE SOMETHING'S MENTIONED AND, AND, AND YOU'RE NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS.
WE'VE GOT THAT THERE FOR YOU AS WELL.
SO AS WE START OFF, WE'RE GONNA, UM, JUST KIND OF REVIEW OUR, OUR BUDGET TIMELINE.
SO BACK IN NOVEMBER, WE STARTED THIS PROCESS OFF, UH, BY SENDING THE GOVERNING BOARD OUT A SURVEY TO, TO SEE WHAT, WHAT YOU SUPPORTED AND WHAT YOU DIDN'T SUPPORT IN TERMS OF WHETHER A COLD WAS OFFERED.
IF WE NOT, WE HAD TO BALANCE THIS BUDGET BY, BY PULLING FROM FUND BALANCE, WHAT, WHAT YOU SUPPORTED WITH THAT, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, PROJECTS YOU WANTED TO, UH, SEE IMPLEMENTED.
IN DECEMBER, WE HAD OUR FIRST BUDGET WORK SESSION WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT THE FOLLOW UPS FROM THE SURVEY.
AND THEN WE STARTED OFF WITH OUR DEPARTMENT HEAD, UH, DEPARTMENT HEADS WITH OUR BUDGET KICKOFF AND GAVE THEM DIRECTIONS, UH, FOR THE BUDGET PROCESS.
IN FEBRUARY, WE HAD OUR BOARD BARGAIN AND ANNUAL RETREAT WHERE THE DEPARTMENTS, UH, PRESENTED, UH, GENERAL INFORMATION ON, ON CAPITAL EXPENDITURES THAT THEY WERE ANTICIPATING.
AND THEN THE DEPARTMENTS WORKED ON THEIR, THEIR BUDGET REQUESTS.
AND THOSE BUDGET WERE, WERE DUE IN, IN LATE FEBRUARY.
IN MARCH, WE HAD THE BUDGET COMMITTEE MEETING WHERE THE DEPARTMENTS PRESENTED THEIR BUDGET.
AND THEN IN APRIL AND MAY, UH, REALLY THE, THE BUDGET COMMITTEE SPENT A LOT OF TIME GOING, GOING BACK AND LOOKING AT THE REQUEST, UH, TO SEE WHAT WE COULD END UP, UH, RECOMMENDING TO THE BOARD.
SO ON MAY 14TH, UH, I PROPOSED THE BUDGET TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN, AND TODAY, MAY 21ST, AND TOMORROW MAY 22ND, WE'RE IN OUR WORK SESSIONS.
SO AGAIN, WHEN WE DEVELOPED THIS BUDGET, WE LOOKED AT THE GOVERNING BOARD, FEEDBACK DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDATIONS, AND LAST FALL WE STARTED THE STRATEGIC PLANNING PROCESS.
AS PART OF THAT STRATEGIC PLANNING PROCESS, WE LOOKED AT FIVE OVERARCHING GOALS, WHICH I THINK EVERYONE AGREED UPON.
AND SO ON PAGE I IN YOUR BOOK, YOU COULD FOLLOW ALONG WITH THIS, THIS IS IN THE MANAGER MESSAGE.
UM, THOSE FIVE MAIN GOALS WERE EXCELLENCE IN GOVERNMENT.
SOME OF THOSE THINGS INCLUDING MODERNIZING OPERATIONS TO IMPROVE EFFICIENCY IN VARIOUS HIRING QUALIFIED STAFF, PROVIDING CITIZENS PROMPT AND EFFICIENT SERVICE IN A TIMELY MANNER, EMBRACING TECHNOLOGY TO IMPROVE EMPLOYEE AND CITIZEN EXPECTATIONS, COLLABORATING WITH CITIZENS, BUSINESSES, NONPROFITS, AND OTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCIES TO ADDRESS COMPLEX CHALLENGES THAT, UH, THAT CREATE POSITIVE CHANGE.
EMPLOYEE RECOGNITION, EMBRACING ACCREDITATION OF, OF DEPARTMENTS FOR FIRE, RESCUE, POLICE AND PARKS AND RECREATION HAVE RECEIVED THAT.
OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT, UH, HAS APPLIED FOR A VARIETY OF AWARDS AND, AND SO FAR THEY'RE RECEIVED THE AWARD FOR DISTINGUISHED BUDGET PRESENTATIONS, CERTIFICATE OF ACHIEVEMENT FOR EXCELLENCE AND FINANCIAL REPORTING AND POPULAR ANNUAL FINANCIAL, UNDERAGE AND WELCOMING COMMUNITY.
THIS BUDGET WILL BE LOOKING AT CONTINUED FUNDING FOR SHOT SPOTTER, REPLACE THE VEHICLES FOR POLICE, FIRE RESCUE AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
POLICE CANINE REPLACEMENT, POLICE TRAFFIC MONITORING, TRAILER REPLACEMENT OF SELF CONTAIN BREATHING ACT ARREST, FIRE RESCUE SECURITY CAMERAS AND PARK REPLACEMENT MOWS PARK RESTROOM UPGRADES, $75,000 ALLOCATION FOR THE NEW CRAVEN COUNTY PUBLIC LIBRARY, AND A VARIETY OF SPECIAL EVENTS WITH THE CITY OFFICERS UNDER PLANNING AND INFRASTRUCTURE BALANCED GROWTH.
WE'RE LOOKING AT UPDATING UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE, WHICH WE STARTED IN THIS BUDGET YEAR AND CONTINUE INTO THE NEXT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR SIDEWALKING CURB IMPROVEMENTS, $460,000 FOR CITY STREET IMPROVEMENTS,
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$250,000 FOR VARIOUS WATER SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS, $50,000 FOR VARIOUS WATER SUPPLY.WELL REHABILITATION PROJECTS, 350,000 FOR VARIOUS SEWER SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS AND 200,000 FOR LIFT STATION REHABILITATION AND COMPLETION OF THE
AND THEN THE ALLOCATION 100 LINES IN THE AMOUNT OF $15,000.
COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, NEW 1 0 1 CHANNEL UPGRADES, ALERTS, OUR MONTHLY LETTERS, SOCIAL MEDIA ENGAGEMENT, COMMUNITY INPUT THROUGH FOCUS GROUPS AND PUBLIC MEETINGS, OUR COMMUNITY PROGRAM AND VOLUNTEER OPPORTUNITIES.
SO AS WE LOOK AT OUR PROPOSED, THIS WILL BE YEAR 25 BUDGET, THE TOTAL CITY BUDGET IS RECOMMENDED AT 155,000,004 21,881.
THAT'S A 4.1% OVERALL INCREASE COMPARED TO THE CURRENT ADOPTED BUDGET.
SO TODAY WE ARE GONNA FOCUS ON GENERAL FUND AND WE'RE GONNA PICK 20 ENTERPRISE FUNDS TOMORROW.
SO THE RECOMMENDED GENERAL FUND BUDGET FOR FY 25 IS 50 MILLION 2 74 20.
AND SO THIS BUDGET INCLUDES 2% COLOR FOR ALL EMPLOYEES AND GENERAL FUND THAT AMOUNT, FIVE $14,000.
ENTERPRISE FUNDS EQUAL ABOUT THREE 76,000.
AND WE LOOKED AT THE SOUTHERN CPI AND THAT'S A CONSUMER PRICE INDEX, WHICH MONITORS INFLATION AS OF THE END OF MARCH, 2024 FOR THE, THE YEAR THAT 3.8%.
THIS BUDGET DOES NOT RECOMMEND ANY NEW FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES, AND WE RECOMMEND FULL PART-TIME EMPLOYEES FOR STANDING WIDE RECREATION RECREATION CENTER.
AND THIS BUDGET DOES MAINTAIN CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE TO OUR CITIZENS.
UNDER SOME BUDGET IMPACTS WE'RE LOOKING AT, STILL LOOKING AT INCREASED COST OF MATERIALS AND SUPPLIES WITH PERSONNEL.
WE HAD AN INCREASE OF ABOUT 260,000 FOR THIS NEXT YEAR, MAINLY DUE TO EMPLOYEE LONGEVITY AND OVERTIME, WHICH WE ANTICIPATE INCREASES IN.
THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE MANDATORY INCREASE IN NORTH CAROLINA RETIREMENT RATE, WHICH IS ABOUT $250,000 AN INCREASE IN OUR INSURANCE PREMIUMS, MAINLY FOR THE STAND RECREATION CENTER AND SALARIES AND BENEFITS.
THAT ACCOUNTS FOR APPROXIMATELY 66 OF THE BUDGET.
AND AS A REMINDER, THE IMPLEMENTATION FROM 20, FROM THE SALARY FROM 2024 CARRIES FORWARD IN PERPETUITY 2.4 MILLION ANNUALLY TO MAKE SO GENERAL FUND BUDGET WHERE WE STARTED AND WHERE WE ARE NOW.
SO TOTAL REQUEST THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE DEPARTMENTS IN GENERAL FUND $55,500,130.
AND ON THE CUTS AS WE WENT THROUGH AND LOOKED AT THINGS CAPITAL REQUEST, WE ENDED UP CUTTING OVER $2.6 MILLION.
AND, AND YOU CAN FOLLOW ALONG WITH THIS ON THE POWERPOINT, UH, UH, WITH TRAVEL INSANE, WE CUT $89,122 AND WITH OTHER OPERATING EXPENSES, WE CUT $2.4 MILLION.
AND THOSE OPERATING EXPENSES DO NOT INCLUDE SALARIES, BENEFITS, UM, OR, OR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.
AND SO WE GET TO THE PROPOSED BUDGET OF 50,274,004.
SO THEN WE GET TO WHERE DID GENERAL FUND REVENUES COME FROM? AND SO IF YOU WANNA FOLLOW ALONG PAGE 29, THAT THIS PAGE MAY BE INACCURATE, IT'S RIGHT.
SO WHERE DO OUR REVENUES COME FROM? SO 23% COVERED SALES TAXES, 8% FROM INTERGOVERNMENTAL REVENUES, 5% FROM OTHER TAXES AND FEES, 3% FROM INTEREST EARNINGS, 1% FROM MISCELLANEOUS REVENUES, 8% FROM INTER FUND REIMBURSEMENT, 8% FROM INTER FUND TRANSFERS, 3% CHARGES FOR SERVICES, 4% FOR RECEIPTS FROM DEBT, 1% FROM FUND BALANCE APPROPRIATED, AND THEN 41% FROM TAXES.
AND SO LOOK ON YOUR, ON THE SLIDE SHOW ITSELF, WE'RE GONNA BREAK IT DOWN AND GO INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON EACH OF THOSE FUNDS AND, AND WHERE THOSE MONEYS ACTUALLY COME FROM.
SO WITH A HOME OR TAX REVENUE, THAT COUNTS
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TO 41% OF OUR REVENUES IN 2024 VALUATION ESTIMATE BREAKS DOWN BY REAL PROPERTY, $4.1 BILLION PERSONNEL PRO PERSONAL PROPERTY, 310 MILLION, CERTIFIED EVALUATION 50 MILLION AND REGISTER MOTOR VEHICLES 430 MILLION, WHICH GIVE US THAT TOTAL VALUATION OF $4.9 BILLION.OUR CURRENT TAX RATE IS AT 38 CENTS.
WE ARE PROPOSING A THREE TAX INCREASE, WHICH WOULD TO 1.1 $483,500.
THOSE NEW RATE WOULD BE 41 CENTS, WHICH WOULD BRING ADDITIONAL REVENUE IN TOTAL OF 20,274,000 FOR AOR REVENUES.
ON THE SALES TAX REVENUES, YOU'LL SEE THE CHART HERE, FY 24, THE ESTIMATED REVENUE THAT WE ARE EXPECTING FROM THE END OF THIS YEAR IS GONNA BE ABOUT $11.4 MILLION.
WE ORIGINALLY ESTIMATED IT WAS GONNA BE AROUND $11,750,000, AND WE'RE SEEING THAT REALLY FLATTEN OUT.
SO WE'VE HAD TO, UH, MAKE OUR ADJUSTMENTS ON THAT.
THE, UM, FOR FY 25, THIS BUDGET, IT, THE SALES TAX REVENUE IS ANTICIPATED TO BE FLAT IN 3%.
SO WE, WE WERE ESTIMATING REVENUES OF $11,750,000 FOR OUR INTERGOVERNMENTAL REVENUE, WHICH COUNTS FOR 8% OF THE BUDGET.
HOW BILL FUNDS, UH, WE'RE ANTICIPATED TO RECEIVE $1.1 MILLION THIS YEAR AND HOW BILL FUNDS BASICALLY GO TOWARDS STREET AND PAYMENT PROJECTS.
THEN WE HAVE A VARIETY OF REVIEWS.
ONE OF THOSE IS UTILITY FRANCHISE FEES, AND THAT'S 2.2 MILLION BEER AND WINE SALES FROM THE STATE, $135,000 NATURAL GAS TAX, $105,000 TELECOMMUNICATIONS, $120,000 VIDEO PROGRAMMING, $200,000 PUBLIC EDUCATION PROGRAM, WHICH IS OUR PEG CHANNEL, $25,000.
AND WE NORMALLY RECEIVE THOSE STATE REVIEW FEES AT LEAST TWICE A YEAR FOR THAT TOTAL AMOUNT.
AND THEN WE USUALLY GET A ONE TIME REIMBURSEMENT FROM FIRE PROTECTION FROM OFFICE OF THE FIRE MARSHAL.
AND THE AMOUNT OF 13,423, THAT TOTAL AMOUNT IS THREE POINT MILLION INTERGOVERNMENTAL REVENUE AND INTER FUND REIMBURSEMENT REVENUE FOR SHARED SERVICES, WHICH IS 8% OF THE BUDGET.
THOSE INTER FUND REVENUES EQU TO WITH THE WATER FUND, 1,055,000 SEWER FUND, $1,060,000.
THE ELECTRIC FUND, 1,825,000 SOLID WASTE FUND, 201,000.
THAT TOTAL REVENUE, 4 1 43 3 23 FOR THE INTER TRANSFER REVENUE.
THE WATER FUND PAYMENT IN LIEU OF TAXES EQUALS TO $275,000.
SEWER FUND PAYMENT IN LIEU OF TAXES, 413,000 ELECTRIC FUND, 347,000, THE SOLID WASTE FUND, $5,400, THE ELECTRICAL FUND THERE BY STATE STATUTE.
THERE ARE TWO WAYS WE CAN LOOK AT IN TRANSFERRING THOSE FUNDS, AND WE LOOK AT THOSE EACH WAY.
ONE IS 3% OF TOTAL ASSETS AND THE OTHER IS 5% OF REVENUES.
AND 5% OF REVENUES ENDS UP BEING, UM, THE MOST REALISTIC AND YOU GET JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE OUT OF THAT EACH YEAR.
AND THEN WE HAVE MSD TRANSFERS, UH, $42,000 AND, AND THAT INCLUDES, UH, UM, ADDRESSING CLEANING OF THE C HOUSE AND THE FOUNTAIN, AND ALSO FUNDING THE PARKING CONTROL FOLKS DOWNTOWN.
OTHER TAXES AND FEES, REVENUE, 25% OF THE BUDGET COMES FROM THIS, UM, BY STATE STATUTE.
WE HAVE A BEER AND WINE CITY LICENSES.
AND SO WE ARE LIMITED IN WHAT WE CAN CHARGE FOR THAT BY STATE STATUTE.
SO WE COLLECT $3,000 FOR THAT.
UM, AND JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ON PREMISE BEER WINE PERMITS THAT WE ISSUED 77 THROUGHOUT THE CITY, OFF PREMISE 46 PERMITS.
I'D LIKE TO THINK IN REALITY WE GET MORE FUNDS OUTTA THAT, BUT THAT, THAT'S ALL WE GET.
MOTOR VEHICLE FEES ACCOUNTS FOR $161,000 AND WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE MOTOR VEHICLE FEES A LITTLE BIT LATER ON AND, AND THE, UM, FEES AND CHARGES.
BUT WE ARE, UM, MANDATED BY STEALING WHAT WE CAN CHARGE FOR THAT WE HAVE BEEN CHARGING $5 FOR, FOR THE TAG FEE FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS FOR THAT BY STATUTE CAN GO UP TO $30 AND THE FIRST $5 CAN BE ALLOCATED TOWARD GENERAL FUND.
AFTER THAT, IT HAS TO BE DESIGNATED
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TOWARD PING RELATED PROJECT.AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE VEHICLE SHORT TERM LEASE TAX, WHICH WE COLLECT $80,000 IN ANNUALLY, US TOTAL OF 244,000 CHARGES FOR SERVICES REVENUE.
AND THESE COME FROM FEES AND CHARGES TO VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS.
COLLECT FROM POLICE, $40,000 FIRE RESCUE, 30,000 PARKS AND RECREATION, $449,500 DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, $825,000 AND PUBLIC WORKS 72,000.
THAT TOTAL REVENUE IS 1,416,500.
AND THEN WE HAVE SOME MISCELLANEOUS REVENUES, WHICH IS TO 1% OF THE BUDGET.
AND THAT'S MISCELLANEOUS RENTALS, $2,713.
AND THAT'S BASICALLY FROM THE ATM MACHINE, UH, ACROSS FROM CITY HALL SALES, FIXED ACCESS, ANYTHING WE SELL IN GOV DEALS, THAT'S 220,000 SELLING ANY SCRAP METAL THAT'S $5,000 A BC DISTRIBUTION, $110,000 INSURANCE PROCEEDS THAT WE MAY RECEIVE.
50,000 PUBLIC NUISANCE LIENS, 35,000.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE GREEN PARK TERRACE LOAN PAYMENTS, THAT'S 12,000 ANNUALLY.
THAT FILE PAYMENT IS SCHEDULED TO OCCUR ON JUNE 1ST, 2029.
AND THEN OTHER MISCELLANEOUS REVENUES, WHICH PUTS THE 214,000.
SO TOTAL REVENUE UNDER MISCELLANEOUS REVENUE 649 6 4.
SO WHERE DO OUR GENERAL GO? SO ADD THAT 50 74 4 5 FIRE RESCUE, YOU GET 17% PARK RECREATION, 8% DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, 5% PUBLIC WORKS, 18 DEBT SERVICE AND INTER FUND 8%.
OUR GENERAL GOVERNMENT 4% TECHNOLOGY, 4% FINANCE 4% HUMAN RESOURCES 2%, AND POLICE 30%.
SO ON A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON WHAT I'M GETTING READY TO COVER, IT STARTS ON PAGE ONE ON SOME ALLEGED SUMMARY OF ALL FUNDS, BUT YOU CAN ALSO FOLLOW ALONG ON THIS.
SO FOR GENERAL FUND, TOTAL EXPENSES BY DEPARTMENT GENERAL GOVERNMENT, THAT BUDGET INCREASED, UH, TOTAL OF, UH, OVER THE LAST YEAR, 1.5% TECHNOLOGY DECREASED BY 9%.
HUMAN RESOURCES DECREASED BY 8.8%, POLICE 0.2%.
PARKS AND RECREATION INCREASED BY 6.8%.
DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DECREASED BY 0.1%.
PUBLIC WORKS INCREASED BY 5.7% AND THE TRANSFERS CONTINUE TO SEE THAT INCREASE BY 23.7%, UH, WHICH BROUGHT A TOTAL INCREASE OVER THE LAST YEAR FOR THE GENERAL FUND OF 2.7%.
AND ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE IS GENERAL FUND OPERATING EXPENSES.
SO THIS EXCLUDES ALL CAPITAL, IT EXCLUDES ALL SALARIES AND BENEFITS.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE OPERATIONAL DEPARTMENT AND AND HOW THAT'S AFFECTED.
AND SO YOU'LL SEE THE PERCENTAGE CHANGE AGAIN FROM LAST YEAR TO THIS YEAR.
SO IN GENERAL GOVERNMENT, WE HAD A DECREASE OF 5.8% FOR TECH TECHNOLOGY.
THAT WAS AN INCREASE OF 14.4% FOR FINANCE, AN INCREASE OF 6.8% HUMAN RESOURCES WITH A DECREASE OF 16.4%.
POLICE A DECREASE OF 3.7% BY RESCUE AN INCREASE OF 35.1%.
PARKS AND RECREATIONS, A DECREASE OF 1.7% DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, A DECREASE OF 17.1% AND PUBLIC WORKS A DECREASE OF 3%.
AND THE MAIN THING WE'RE SEEING IN DECREASES TECHNOLOGY WAS REALLY MORE UPGRADES AND, AND SOFTWARE LICENSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
FINANCE HAD SOME, SOME FINANCE MODULES WITH THEIR SOFTWARE THAT WE SAW AN INCREASE IN WITH FIRE RESCUE.
THAT INCREASE WAS DUE TO A PUBLIC WORKS RESTRICTED LINE ITEM TO REPLACE THE CONCRETE IN THE BACK OF, UH, THE FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF $284,000.
THE DECREASES FROM HUMAN UH, RESOURCES, WE, WE CONTRACTED WITH THE NEW EAP PROVIDERS, SO WE SAW SAVINGS FROM THAT.
UM, ALSO THERE WAS A REDUCTION IN TRAVEL AND TRAINING AS WELL AS IT FROM HR WAS REDUCED BY $12,000 AND DEVELOPED SERVICES.
THERE WAS A REDUCTION IN PROFESSIONAL SERVICES OF $120,000.
AND THEN WITH PUBLIC WORKS, PUBLIC WORKS, THERE
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WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A REDUCTION.WE MOVED SOME OF THE PAVING, UH, INTO CAPITAL FUND AS OPPOSED TO KEEPING IT IN THEIR, THEIR, THEIR FUND ITSELF.
IF YOU'LL TURN TO PAGE SEVEN, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT SOME STAFFING AND POSITIONS.
AND TANYA'S GONNA GO AHEAD AND PASS, IF SHE HAS NOTES ALREADY, SHE'S GONNA PASS.
AS WE WERE LOOKING THROUGH THIS WEEK, WE SAW THAT, UM, THIS WAS INACCURATE.
WE WERE RECOMMENDING NO NEW FULL TIME POSITIONS.
HOWEVER, WE ARE RECOMMENDING FOUR PART-TIME POSITIONS.
AND SO THOSE FOUR PART-TIME POSITIONS EQU TO TWO FULL-TIME.
SO THAT IS WHERE YOU'LL SEE ON PAGE SEVEN IN GENERAL FUND OUR CURRENT BUDGET YEAR.
WE HAVE 323 POSITIONS OF, ON THE PAPER THAT YOU'RE RECEIVING, YOU'LL SEE THAT CHANGE TO 300 FULL-TIME POSITIONS.
THIS TIME I'M GONNA ASK SONYA IF SHE'LL COME UP AND GO OVER THE CLASSIFICATION PLAN, WHICH SHOULD BE IN THE BACK OF YOUR BOOK.
AND THAT CLASS CLASSIFICATION PLAN LOOKS LIKE THIS SHOULD BE IN THE GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR TO THE BOARD.
I'LL QUICKLY WALK THROUGH THE CHANGES THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN READ ON THE PAY PLAN THAT IS PROPOSED FOR UM, FY 25.
SO WE CAN ACTUALLY GO OVER TO PAGE 2 0 5.
SO WE'LL SEE THE FIRST CHANGE IN GRADE 14.
THERE IS A CROSS CONNECTION, UH, COORDINATOR POSITION THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO ELIMINATE.
JORDAN IS PLANNING TO DO SOME THINGS WITH A COUPLE OF POSITIONS.
WE HAD NO NEW POSITIONS AND I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT.
WE JUST WANNA GET RID OF THAT TITLE PLAN.
I'LL EXPLAIN MORE JUST A MINUTE ON THAT.
RECREATION SPECIALIST UNDER GRADE 14 IS JUST A NEW TITLE FOR A SEVEN RECREATION CENTER POSITION.
GRADE 15, THERE'S A NEW TITLE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING ENRICHMENT COORDINATOR, WHICH WILL BE A NEW TITLE, UH, THAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR A SEVEN RECREATION CENTER POSITION.
AND IF WE GO DOWN TO GRADE 17, FITNESS COORDINATOR, SAME THING.
PROPOSED FOR SEVEN RECREATION CENTER POSITION IN GRADE 17.
THE PRE-TREATMENT COORDINATOR.
WHAT, UH, THE DIRECTOR IS PROPOSING TO DO IS TO RECLASSIFY THAT PRE-TREATMENT COORDINATOR POSITION TO A WATER RESOURCES PROGRAM COORDINATOR POSITION AT A GRADE 19.
HE ACTUALLY HAD A POSITION THAT WAS VACATED BY THE PREVIOUS PRE-TREATMENT COORDINATOR.
SO HE'S LOOKING TO DO SOME THINGS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WITH THAT POSITION, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE A RECLASSIFICATION.
SO THE PERSON THAT HE'S LOOKING AT BEING RECLASSIFIED TO THAT POSITION WOULD THEN, UM, THAT THEIR POSITION WOULD BE VACANT AND HE PLANNING TO RECLASSIFY THAT POSITION TO THE NO UPGRADED POSITION, WHICH WOULD BE AN OFFICE SYSTEM.
BUT THE NET ZERO, SO WE'RE NOT ADDING ANY POSITION RECLASSIFY POSITION UP.
AND ONE, UM, SPECIAL PROJECTS COORDINATOR, WE'RE LOOKING TO RECLASSIFY THAT POSITION FROM A 17 DOWN TO A 14 AND RETITLE THAT TO A RECREATION SPECIALIST GRADE 19.
WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT WITH THE WATER RESOURCES PROGRAM COORDINATOR.
UM, JUST EXPLAINED TO YOU WHAT DIRECTOR OF WATER RESOURCES IS PLANNING TO DO FOR THOSE TWO POSITIONS.
GRADE 20, JUST TITLE CHANGE IN GRADE 20.
CURRENTLY WE HAVE A POSITION, UM, ENTITLED ACCOUNTS ANALYST AND THE DIRECTOR IS PROPOSING TO RETITLE THAT POSITION TO UTILITY ANALYST GRADE 21 BUDGET ADMINISTRATOR.
HOWEVER'S A NEW POSITION TITLE.
SO THE DIRECTOR IS PROPOSING TO TAKE ONE OF THE SENIOR ACCOUNTANT POSITIONS THAT IS ALREADY EXISTING.
AND BECAUSE OF THE SCOPE OF THE FUNCTIONS THAT ARE REALLY, REALLY MORE, UM, ASSOCIATED OR ALIGNED WITH THE BUDGET FUNCTIONS, SHE'S WANTING TO CHANGE ONE OF THE SENIOR ACCOUNTANT POSITIONS TO A BUDGET ADMINISTRATIVE POSITION AT THE SAME RATE.
ALRIGHT, UH, LET'S SEE, UH, GRADE 22, THE CITY CLERK WERE PROPOSING TO RECLASSIFY THAT POSITION TO A GRADE 24.
AND THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE INCREASE IN THE SCOPE OF FUNCTIONS AND THAT'S POSITION SPECIFICALLY RELATIVE TO PROPERTY SALES.
THE, THOSE FUNCTIONS WEREN'T, UH, CAPTURED IN THE PREVIOUS DESCRIPTION.
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WE JUST FEEL LIKE THAT POSITION DOES DESERVE THE WARRANT TO BE RECLASSIFIED BECAUSE OF THE SCOPE OF THOSE FUNCTIONS.GRADE 23, LAND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ADMINISTRATOR.
THE DIRECTOR, UM, IS PROPOSING TO CHANGE THAT TITLE TO A ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THEN WE'LL DO AWAY WITH THAT LAND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ADMINISTRATOR POSITION.
AND ACCORDING TO THE DIRECTOR, THAT TITLE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR IS THE TITLE THAT IS MORE, UH, PREVALENT IN THE INDUSTRY, IN THE PROFESSION.
YOU'LL VERSUS GRADE 24, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THE CITY CLERK.
SO THAT ONE WOULD BE PLANTED THERE.
CITY PLANNER WOULD BE A TITLE CHANGE TO HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADMINISTRATOR.
SAME REASON IS, UM, IDENTIFIED THE BOARD BASED ON DIRECTOR'S, UM, INDICATION THAT THAT TITLE IS MORE REFLECTIVE OF WHAT YOU SEE OUT THERE IN PROFESSION GRADE 25.
UM, THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, WELL IT SAYS OF TECHNOLOGY, BUT THAT REALLY WOULD BE THE DIRECTOR OF INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY AND THE DIRECTOR IS PROPOSING TO RECLASSIFY ONE OF THE EXISTING INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY POSITIONS TO AN ASSISTANT DIRECTOR BECAUSE OF THE SCOPE OF THE FUNCTIONS THAT ARE BEING PERFORM.
AND THEN IF WE GO DOWN TO GRADE 32, I THINK THERE'S A CHANGE THERE.
WE INDICATED A STRIKE THROUGH FOR INFORMATION, BUT THAT WOULD STILL REMAIN AS DIRECTOR OF INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY.
SO THOSE ARE THE CHANGES THAT ARE PROPOSED ON THE PLAN.
YOU, IN THE FRONT OF YOUR BOOK, YOU'LL ALSO SEE A LINE 24 25 PERSONNEL REQUESTS AND IT GOES INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON DEPARTMENT'S REQUEST.
UH, YOU'LL SEE IN THAT WHILE, WHILE WE'RE RECOMMENDING THE RECLASSIFICATION DID NOT, DID NOT RECOMMEND ANY NEW POSITIONS, AND THERE WERE SOME REQUESTS, AND WE'RE GONNA GO INTO THAT A LITTLE MORE DETAIL WITH, UM, THE ENTERPRISE FUND.
THERE WERE SOME REQUESTS FOR, FOR, UM, ADJUSTMENTS FOR VARIOUS POSITIONS BECAUSE OF, UM, DEPARTMENT HEAD CLAIM, UH, SALARY COMPRESSION MARKED VALUE.
WE JUST WENT THROUGH A SALARY STUDY AND SO THAT SALARY STUDY DID NOT SHOW THAT.
AND SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT DURING THE, OF, SO ANY, ANY QUESTIONS ON PERSONNEL RELATED ITEMS THIS TIME? I, I MEAN I HAVE SOME, BUT I IT MIGHT BE BETTER DO IT BY.
OKAY, WE'LL GETTING READY TO GET TO APARTMENTS.
AND THEN, SO OUR NEXT ITEM YOU CAN GO TO PAGE, UH, EIGHT.
THAT IS GOING TO BE NEWS AND SUBSCRIPTIONS DON'T USE SUBSCRIPTION.
THE PROJECT BUDGET WE HAVE FOR GENERAL THOUSAND FOUR $10 AND THAT PROJECTS A 7% INCREASE OVER THIS CURRENT YEAR.
BASICALLY, UH, THAT'S JUST A PASS ALONG OF IF, IF WHATEVER ASSOCIATION INCREASE THERE DUES AND FEES, IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR, FOR ANY CERTAIN DEPARTMENT ON THIS, WE'LL ASK THE DEPARTMENT HEAD TO COME UP AND, AND GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPLANATION.
SO I'LL JUST TAKE A AND LOOK THROUGH THAT AND SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
DO WE KNOW HOW MANY OF THESE WE ARE REQUIRED TO PARTICIPATE IN MANY? I CAN GIVE YOU THAT INFORMATION.
I MEAN, UH, WELL, EACH DEPARTMENT ACTUALLY PROBABLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR YOU RIGHT NOW.
SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE LEADING IN THE PAST SHOWS WHAT THEY DO FOR, DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHAT NATIONAL LEAGUE OF MEMBERSHIP IS? IT'S NOT A BIG NUMBER.
WE, WE REALLY HAVEN'T WITH THE OF ON ANYTHING AND JUST EVERYBODY KNOWS THE METRO MAYORS.
UM, WE, WE WERE A MEMBER OF THE METRO MAYORS FOR 10, 4, 4 OR FIVE YEARS.
UM, AND I RECOMMENDED THAT WE, THAT WAS ANOTHER, IT WAS A SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE LEGAL MUNICIPALITY.
IT WAS SUPPOSEDLY FORMED TO ALLOW CITIES OF LARGER SIZE TO AND UM, SEE THE, IN THE LAST POSITION.
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SO IS THERE, IS THERE SUPPORT REMOVED? LEGAL CITY MEMBERSHIP? WE ALL READ IT.EVERYONE AGREE WITH THAT ON PAGE 10 ON PARTS THERE SOFTWARE, YOU TELL US WHAT THAT'S PROTECTIVE PARK SOFTWARE.
THAT IS ACTUALLY, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING AWAY.
THAT IS THE WORK ORDER SYSTEM THAT THE PARKS AND RECREATION HAS BEEN USING FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
UM, WE HAVE RECENTLY CITYWIDE GEORGE, WHAT'S THE NAME OF THAT GROUP? SO THEY ASSET, ASSET IN WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE GROUP WE'RE USING CURRENTLY THAT YOU'RE GETTING READY TO MOVE? BRIGHT.
SO WE HAVE A CITY ACCOUNT WITH BRIGHTLY TRANSFER OVER AND PARK AND RECREATION.
WHICH ONE IS THAT AGAIN? PAGE 10.
WHAT WOULD BE THE COST FOR BRIGHTON? WE ALREADY PAY IT FROM THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS, SO IT COVERS CITYWIDE.
SO THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY ADDITIONAL COST FOR THE GENERAL SIDE.
UH, PUBLIC WORKS MANAGER PLUS ANNUAL TION.
AND THAT IS A FLEET MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE FOR THE REASON I ASKED THE QUESTION, WE STARTED THIS OFF WHAT WAS REQUIRED OR WHAT'S NOT.
I, I'M SURE IN POLICE AND FIRE, UM, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, EDUCATION REQUIREMENTS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, ESPECIALLY SEWER ELECTRIC.
BUT NOT KNOWING HOW MANY OF THESE ARE REQUIRED VERSUS OPTIONAL.
IT'S HARD FOR US THAT WE DO IT ON A DAILY BASIS TO SAY WHAT'S NEEDED AND WHAT'S NOT.
BECAUSE TOMORROW WE'RE GONNA START OFF WITH A, A FOLLOW UP.
WE CAN COME BACK WITH YOU TOMORROW AND HAVE AN UPDATE WHAT, UH, IS REQUIRED.
IT'S NOT GONNA GENERATE A LIST.
PAGE 12, NET 360 ANNUAL TION 20.
WE'LL WE'LL COVER THOSE TOMORROW WHEN ENTERPRISE FUNDING.
MAYOR, WHEN YOU'RE ASKING REQUIREMENT, I, I'M SPEAKING ON A LITTLE BIT OF KNOWLEDGE ON THE POLICE SIDE.
SOME OF THOSE AREN'T FOR CERTIFICATION, BUT IT IS FOR, UH, PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT TRAINING AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN LOOK AT, IT'S GONNA BE HARD TO PULL THOSE OUT AND SAY THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED.
BUT IF BASICALLY ARE CERTIFICATIONS AND TRAINING THAT IS DONE INDUSTRY WIDE, SO MM-HMM.
AND I'M SURE THE FIRE IS THE SAME WAY THAT IT, IT'S NOT, YOU CAN'T SAY IT'S NOT THAT IT'S NOT REQUIRED, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT'S NEEDED.
UH, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THAT THIS LIST PROBABLY DESERVES ANOTHER STRUGGLE.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THREE 20, THAT'S ALL FUNDS, BUT I MEANT THE LEAD ONE.
CUT SEVEN FOR PARK RECREATION.
YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD JUST TAKE ANOTHER LOOK THAT, SEE WHAT I, I, HOW NECESSARY THAT IS.
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OKAY.PAGE 13, TRAVEL AND TRAINING BUDGET.
4 4 75, UH, FY 20% HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WE HAVE TO HAVE THE DEPARTMENT.
UM, SO SEVERAL WOULD BE, HAVE MULTIPLE STAFF ATTENDING.
MY QUESTION WOULD BE, IS THAT NECESSARY? UM, GIVE A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES.
YOU LOOK AT GENERAL FUND ADMIN, UM, CITY VISION CONFERENCE, CITY MANAGER, MANAGER, THREE PEOPLE N SEMINAR, CITY MANAGER, UM, FINANCE.
UM, SOME OF IT I SEE TRAINING AND TRAINING.
I, I I SEE WHAT THAT MAKES SENSE IF YOU'RE SITTING MULTIPLE PEOPLE TRAINED.
I'VE BEEN TO THESE CONFERENCES.
MOST OF YOU HAVE BEEN TO THESE CONFERENCES.
WE'RE IN A, A BIT OF A BUDGET RIGHT NOW AND I'M NOT SURE MULTIPLE THE BEST DECISION, BUT I'LL DEFER TO CITY MANAGER.
YOU HAVE COMMENTS? WE REVISIT THAT.
WE'LL DISCUSS THAT AGAIN TOMORROW AND, UM, DEVELOP ASSAULT NATIONAL I CM, A CONFERENCE WITH DIRECTOR IN PITTSBURGH.
THAT SPECIFIC THINGS I WOULD SAY ON YOUR SUMMARY TOMORROW, IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC THINGS AND REASONS REQUESTED, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE THAT FOR US TO KNOW.
I MEAN, I DUNNO, MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIFIC TO THAT CONFERENCE THAT SOMEBODY NEEDS TO GO SEE AND HEAR ABOUT.
BUT AGAIN, I KNOW THAT RODEO IS REALLY NICE FOR, TO GO CLEAR.
IS THAT ACO TRAINING DISPATCH SEVEN T HERE.
IS THAT AN ANNUAL CERTIFICATION OF SOME SORT? CHIEF, I'LL HAVE TO GET THAT SPECIFIC ANSWER TO YOU LATER.
I I I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE IF IT'S, IF IT'S AN ANNUAL REQUIREMENT, I'LL CHECK ON.
ALSO, ON PAGE 17 AT THE BOTTOM, IT'S THE FIRST BASIC CLIMBING SCHOOL FOR ELECTRIC GROUND WORKERS.
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GOT, RIGHT? ACTUALLY THAT'S NOT IT.IT'S THE, UH, FROM THE RODEO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO, UH, VAN SLIM SCHOOL, FIRST CLASS AND SECOND CLASS.
IS THAT ANOTHER JUST A, A TRAINING TO START BY AS FIRST CLASS SLIM AND SECOND CLASS LINE THAT REQUIRED ANNUALLY OR WE GET VERIFICATION ON THAT.
AND ALSO THAT, THAT IS A CERTIFICATION THAT HELPS WITH PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT.
DO WE PROTECT OURSELF AND THOSE INDIVIDUAL ALIGNMENT GETS CERTIFIED AND GETS HIGHER CREDENTIALS AND AFTER WE GET CERTIFIED GOES TO WORK PRIVATE SECTOR OR ANOTHER MUNICIPALITY, WE RECOUP ANY OF THAT? RIGHTLY WE DO NOT.
SOMEBODY GOES GET CERTIFIED, THEY SIGN AND SAY THEY'RE GONNA STAY EMPLOYED FOR TWO YEARS.
UM, I THINK WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION IN THE PAST.
WE'VE, ANYTHING ELSE ON TRAVEL AND TRAINING? I HAVE AN ANSWER TO THE DERMAN PASTORS AREA.
SO THE 9 1 1 SUPPORT TRAINING IS A REQUIREMENT FOR EEPD.
POLICE DISPATCH AND RECERTIFICATION.
I WOULD SAY JUST SO CONSISTENCY ON SOME OF THEM, UM, I'M LOOKING AT NOTARY COURSE FOR PAGE 13.
AND THEN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, THEY HAVE TWO STAFF ON THE NOTARY CLASS 50.
AND UM, THE ELECTRIC HAS, UM, JUST SAYS VARIOUS PUBLIC FOR EIGHT 40.
MAY OR MAY NOT BE ANY OTHER ITEMS ON TRAVEL AND TRAINING.
THAT LAST ONE I HAD WAS BASIC METER SCHOOL DIVISION STAFF.
I THOUGHT WE, WE WERE GETTING AWAY FROM ANY OTHERS.
ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON THE CAPITAL EXPENSES.
WE'VE GOT A, UM, FULL LAYOUT HERE.
AND THEN ALSO TANYA, YOU PASS OUT SOME INFORMATION GOOD TO SEE ON THE HANDOUT SOME IMAGES OF, OF THE ITEMS AS WELL THAT MAY HELP GO UNDER GENERAL GOVERNMENT.
WE RECOMMEND $15,000 FOR SECURITY SYSTEM UPDATES AND CITY HALL.
AND THAT BASICALLY COMES FROM THE ANNEX ON THE THREE, THREE MAIN ENTRANCES ON FIRST, SECOND, THIRD FLOOR COMING INTO THE OLD ANNEX.
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UH, WE'VE ALREADY GOT A CAMERA SYSTEM IN THERE, BUT WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A, A CONTROLLED ACCESS.SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, UM, WAY FOR FOLKS TO, TO BUZZ IN IF THEY COME IN THAT WAY.
UH, EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE WE'LL GET SURPRISED WITH PEOPLE WALKING INTO THE CITY HALL.
RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE TWO IN THE BUILDING, THE OLD ENTRANCE FROM THE STEPS AND THIS WAY AS WELL.
SO IT JUST HELPS US, UH, THE SECURITY OF THE BUILDING ON THE PEG CHANNEL.
I'M GONNA SAVE MY COMMENTS FOR THAT WHEN WE GET INTO THE ADMINISTRATIVE DEPARTMENT BUDGET.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA TALK MORE ABOUT THAT.
SAME THING FOR THE, UH, CLOSED CAPTION PORTION.
UNDER TECHNOLOGY WE ARE RECOMMENDING, UH, FOR A WIRELESS NETWORK FIREWALL, $28,000 FOR POLICE.
WE'RE RECOMMENDING A REPLACEMENT CANINE DOG IN 20,000 ON 20,000 ON 20 ON 20, ON ON 20,000 ON 2020 ON 20,000 ON 20,000 ON 20,000.
20,000 ON 20,000 ON 20,000 ON 20,000 ON 20,000 ON 20,000 ON 20,000 ON 20,000 ON 20,000 ON 20,000 ON 20,000, ON THOUSAND ON 20,000 ON 20,000.
WOULDN'T WANT TO DO IS HAVE A, UM, NON-POLICE EMPLOYEES VIA CUSTODIAN OF ANY OF OUR RECORDS OR ANY OF OUR PROPERTY.
SO TECHNICALLY WE COULD PUT CITY, UH, UM, PROPERTY IN OUR PROPERTY AND EVIDENCE, BUT IT WOULD BE UNDER OUR DOMINION AND CONTROL.
WE'D HAVE TO, TO MAINTAIN IT FOR, FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS.
WE WOULD NEVER ALLOW A NON-POLICE EMPLOYEE.
IN FACT, I'M THE CHIEF OF POLICE.
I DON'T EVEN GO IN THERE BECAUSE PART OF ANY CHAIN OF CUSTODY ON ANY OF THOSE EVIDENTIARY ITEMS IN THERE.
UM, SO I THINK, I HOPE I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION IN A ROUNDABOUT WAY.
UM, UM, FOSTER, JUST A FOLLOW UP QUESTION.
I MEAN, DO WE HAVE ANY RECORD STORAGE NEEDS? UM, THROUGHOUT THE, THE, THE, THE REST OF THE ORGANIZATION? MAINLY WE'RE LOOKING AT TWO DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS WHEN FINANCE AND HR AND THEY'RE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN THOSE RECORDS FOR, UH, A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.
AND THOSE RECORDS ARE KEPT AT AN OFFSITE LOCATION, UM, WHERE THEY'RE SECURED AND THEY MAKE STATE STATUTES ON THAT PROTECTION.
WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC PLACE HERE, STORAGE BUILDING.
WE NORMALLY HAVE THAT OFF SITE.
AND SO THAT HAS BEEN WORKING OUT PRETTY WELL FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM BOTH OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS.
YES, IT, IT TAKES TIME TO GET THAT, THOSE DOCUMENTS AND IT'S COSTLY AND NO OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE HAVING ANY ISSUES RECORD STORAGE, WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM ANY OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS ON THAT.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S BEEN
I I'M JUST, AGAIN, THE ALLUDING TO IS THERE A BIGGER PICTURE ISSUE THAT WE SHOULD BE DEALING WITH OTHER THAN JUST THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THERE IS, SO WE JUST NEED TO, SO THE OTHER REQUEST, AND YOU'LL SEE WHAT, WHAT WE DID NOT RECOMMEND UNDER THE POLICE DID NOT RECOMMEND THE HYDRAULIC GROUND.
WE DID RECOMMEND THE TRAFFIC DATA BOARDS 14 CRUISERS AND LAND CONTROL VEHICLE AND FIRE RESCUE WE'RE RECOMMENDING SELF-CONTAINED BREATHING APPARATUS.
WE DID NOT RECOMMEND THE FIRE ENGINE THIS YEAR.
WE DID FIND OUT WE, WE JUST PLACED AN ORDER FOR A, FOR A FIRE TRUCK.
UH, AND UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT ALMOST FOUR YEARS FOR THAT TO COME IN.
SO WHENEVER WE PUT THAT IN THE BUDGET FOR ANOTHER FIRE TRUCK, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE GONNA GET IT IN THE SAME BUDGET YEAR.
SO REALLY DIDN'T SEE THE URGENCY, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING, UM, WHERE OUR BUDGET IS LOOKING THIS YEAR ARE, ARE WE FINANCING FIRE TRUCK? YES.
HOW LONG? IT'S UM, WITH THIS, IT'S JUST UNDER FIVE YEARS.
IT'S WITH THE, UM, VEHICLE AND ITS EQUIPMENT LOAN THAT WE JUST DID IN THE FALL.
SO ON ON THIS 93, SOMETHING SAYS WORK ORDER YEAR TO DATE, ABOUT 76,000.
IS THAT YEAR TO DATE THROUGHOUT FISCAL YEAR? CALENDAR YEAR? ANY IDEA? I THINK TOTAL, I THINK THAT IS TOTAL ALL YEARS.
OKAY, SO THAT'S NOT A YEAR, THAT'S NOT A YEAR DATE.
WE'RE SPENDING THAT MUCH A YEAR.
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DOES THE FIRE DEPARTMENT STILL NEED THOSE? THE SCBAS, SINCE WE ORDERED SOME WITH THE NEW TRUCK AND USED SOME OF THE FEMALE MONEY FOR THAT? I BELIEVE SO.WE HAVEN'T HEARD BACK FROM FEMA YET ON, THEY'LL ALLOW THE CBAS AND SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THIS STILL IN THIS BUDGET.
IF, IF THE FEMA REQUEST IS DENIED, THEN WE'LL STILL BE ABLE TO GET IT.
IF, IF THE FEMA APPROVES IT, THEN WE WOULD NOT BE PURCHASED IN.
WE ALSO HAVE A REQUEST FOR, UH, SOME REPLACEMENT SERVICE VEHICLES IN THE AMOUNT, AT LEAST ONE VEHICLE IN THE AMOUNT OF $60,000.
SO, SO GOING OUT TO THE UNITS, I UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC, PUT THAT IN HERE IN CASE FE WILL FIND IT, BUT WE'RE ALSO HAVING TO BALANCE THIS BUDGET AND COVER THAT EXPENSE.
WOULD WE NOT BE BETTER OFF TO TAKE THAT OUT AND IF FEMA DOESN'T APPROVE IT AND COME BACK AND DO A BUDGET MINUTE LATER, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.
I YOU CAN'T PURCHASE THEM UNTIL FE APPROVES IT.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY NEED THEM REGARDLESS.
SO, SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE ACTUAL SEDA THAT YOU SEE, UH, THOSE WERE NOT PART OF, THEY WOULD'VE BEEN PART OF THE ACTUAL FEMA GRANT ITSELF, BUT THOSE ARE SPECIFIC TO CD POSITION AS FAR AS THE APPARATUS, THOSE ARE SPECIFIC TO THE RESCUE THAT WOULD'VE QUALIFIED FOR THE FEMA GRANT.
UM, I DO BELIEVE THAT IF, IF IT'S A DELAY ON RECEIVING THOSE AGAIN BEING ATTACHED TO THE GROUND WITH THIS NEW ENGINE, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD STILL SUFFICE.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? AS FAR AS THE TIMELINE ON RECEIVING? SO WE NEED THESE REGARDLESS OF WHETHER FEMA PROVES IT OR NOT.
FE PROVES THAT WE'RE GETTING MORE, UH, IF FEMA PROVES IT THEN IT WOULD, IT WOULD JUST BE THE SAME ONES.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? WE, WE COULD, WE CAN PULL THIS OUT OF THE CAPITAL REQUEST AND IF FEMA DOES NOT FUND THEM, WE CAN COME BACK WITH A BUDGET AMENDMENT.
ARE THESE, ARE THESE FOR YOUR QUICK RESPONSE VEHICLE? NO, THESE WOULD BE FOR THE ACTUAL RISK.
THE LARGE, THESE WOULD BE THE ONES THAT YOU WOULD, UH, APPLY TO THE RESCUE SIDE.
SO THE ACTUAL CDA YOU NORMALLY SEE THE FIREFIGHTERS IN THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO YOUR FIRE ENGINE, TO YOUR TRUCK OR YOUR QUINN.
AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY THEY WERE COVERED UNDER THE ORIGINAL FEMA GROUND.
BECAUSE THESE ARE ATTACHED TO THE RESCUE UNIT THAT'S STILL PART OF THE SAME SETUP.
UH, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE QUALIFIED FOR THAT ORIGINALLY.
I GOT, I GOT A QUESTION CONCERNING THIS, THIS FIRE ENGINE.
UM, LAST YEAR THEY REQUESTED ONE AND A REFURB.
WE DECIDED THAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO SPEND THAT KIND OF MONEY ON A REFURB.
SO WE DECIDED THAT WE WOULD JUST GET TWO NEW ONES.
THEN THINGS CHANGED AND WE DECIDED TO DO A CHANGE THE SCOPE OF WORK TO TAKE SOME FEMA MONEY TO BUY THE FIRE ENGINE THAT WE NEEDED LAST YEAR.
BUT WE HAD FORGOTTEN ALL ABOUT THE SECOND ONE.
'CAUSE I ASKED MULTIPLE TIMES WITH THIS BOARD IF YOU WANTED US TO PROCEED WITH THIS AND WE NEVER GOT DIRECTION.
WELL SO WE DID BRING, WE DID BRING THIS UP MULTIPLE TIMES.
I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T RECALL.
BUT ANYWAY, IT UM, CONSIDERING DEPENDING ON WHAT FIRETRUCK YOU BUY NOWADAYS, IT'S UP TO FOUR YEARS TO TAKE DELIVERY.
DON'T YOU THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE A LITTLE PROACTIVE IN ORDER AND GO AHEAD AND GET SOMETHING ORDERED KNOWING DARN GOOD AND WELL THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED IT WITHIN FOUR EAST, FOUR YEARS DOWN THE ROAD? WELL WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING.
I MEAN WE'VE HAD ONE ON ORDER NOW.
IS IT STILL TAKING FOUR YEARS CHIEF AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE STILL SAYING UH, 48 MONTHS.
WE'LL KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ALONG UM, ONCE THEY GET FURTHER INTO THE SPECS.
UM, I KNOW SOME OF THE COMPANIES ARE BACKING OFF OF THAT FOUR YEAR STUFF NOW I WAS SPEAKING TO MANUFACTURER, DEALER DAY SAYS HE'S AT 18 MONTHS, 18 TO 24 MONTHS.
SO THINGS ARE MUST BE EASING OFF A LITTLE BIT, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING IF, IF WE SHOULDN'T BE A LITTLE PROACTIVE HERE AND AT LEAST GET SOMETHING BUDGETED AND ORDERED IF IT'S GONNA TAKE FOUR YEARS TO GET IN, IF WE WAIT FOR FOUR YEARS TO ORDER IT NOW WE'RE EIGHT YEARS OUT AND THESE GUYS IS THIS IS THIS, WAS THIS A QUINT THAT WAS HAD ALL THE WATER DAMAGE? UM, TO MY UNDERSTANDING THE UNIT HAD DAMAGE WAS QUAT.
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LADDER ONE.WE MESSED UP WHEN THAT HAPPENED.
WE SHOULD HAVE HAD THE CITY ATTORNEY INVOLVED IN HAVING THAT TRUCK CLAIMED AS A, A TOTAL LOSS AND MADE AN INSURANCE COMPANY REPLACE IT.
NOW WE'VE GOT NOTHING BUT PROBLEMS WITH IT BECAUSE OF IT WAS FLOODED AND EVERYBODY HERE KNOWS THAT YOU CAN'T REPAIR A MOTOR VEHICLE THAT'S BEEN FLOODED 'CAUSE ALL THE ELECTRONICS AND COMPUTERS AND EVERYTHING.
SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS I'M JUST WONDERING AND I RECKON SOME QUESTIONS TO THE BOARD, IF WE SHOULDN'T BE A LITTLE PROACTIVE HERE, KNOWING AGAIN THAT IT COULD TAKE IT FOUR YEARS TO GET A TRUCK KNOWING THAT WE'VE GOT ONE THAT'S BEEN FLOODED AND IT'S GIVEN CONSTANT PROBLEMS. I GUESS MY QUESTION IS WHEN DO YOU PAY FOR IT? WELL, THAT'S A TWO PART QUESTION AS WELL.
YOU CAN PAY FOR IT UP FRONT OR I'LL LET KIM ANSWER DOWN.
USUALLY THERE'S UM, SEVERAL OPTIONS YOU CAN PAY A HUNDRED PERCENT UP FRONT OR 25%.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE DID IN THE LAST ONE.
WE'LL ADD IT TO THE CAPITAL, UM, AND THEN TO THE, THE BORROWING AS WELL.
DEPOSIT AND THEN WE PAY THE BALANCE WHEN IT, WHEN IT GETS DELIVERED.
SO YOU WERE ORIGINALLY INTENDING ON BUYING ONE OUT GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES AND THEN WE WENT WITH THE FEMA OPTION SO THAT, WELL WE HAD TO RECEIVE APPROVAL FROM FEMA AND THAT.
SO I GUESS MY, MY RESPONSE WOULD BE IS IF FEMA APPROVES THE ONE WE PUT FULL REQUEST, WE PROBABLY SHOULD LOOK AT A SECOND ONE BECAUSE THIS ONE'S IN 19 93, 3 OLD.
IS THIS THE OLDEST? IS THIS THAT'S THIS THE SPLIT CAB ISN'T FIRST ONE THAT WE BOUGHT.
FIVE IS THE OLDEST IN 93? YES.
YOU GOT NO HOURS ON IT? I DON'T HAVE THE CURRENTLY WHAT WE CAN DO IF, IF THE BOARD PREFERS WHENEVER WE HEAR BACK FROM, IF THEY DO APPROVE A FIRE TRUCK THEN WE CAN PURCHASE AT THAT TIME BASED OFF THAT.
IF WE DID USING GENERAL FUND DOLLARS THAT WERE ALREADY ALLOCATED, THAT'S PAY FOR THIS FIRE TRUCK.
SO IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN, UM, THE SECOND TRUCK, DO WE HAVE SPACE TO HOUSE IT? OH YEAH, WELL WE'LL DO AWAY WITH ONE.
WE'LL PROBABLY SEND IT TO I, WELL SPEAKING AS IF I'M THE CHIEF CHIEF.
SO THE NINE THREE THAT WE'RE SPEAKING OF AS FAR AS WHICH WOULD BE A DEADLINE UNIT, MY RECOMMENDATION IF YOU UM, UH, GET TO THAT POINT IS TO APPLY THAT UNIT USING TRAINING PURPOSES ONLY, NO LONGER RESPOND TO EMERGENCY.
UH, WHICH WOULD UH, TAKE OFF SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL WEAR AND TEAR OF YOUR PRIMARY UNITS.
FOR INSTANCE, WHEN YOU HAVE A DRIVER WHO'S GOING UP FOR ENGINEER OR FOR THE DRIVING STATUS, THAT HOURS OF TIME THAT THEY HAVE TO DO.
SO THAT UNIT STILL HAS THE OF DOING THAT ONLY APPLY FOR THAT PURPOSE, WHICH WOULD TAKE SOME OF THE UH, WEAR AND TEAR OFF OF YOUR PRIMARY USE AND HOPEFULLY OVER TIME PRODUCE UM, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING COSTS ASSOCIATED THOSE.
UM, BUT I WOULD NOT USE IT AS FAR AS PURPOSES ANYMORE OR AS A RESERVE BASED ON ADDITIONAL COST THAT YOU CURRENT OR WE COULD DONATE CREDIT COMMUNITY COLLEGE, A NEW TRAINING CENTER.
THEY'RE, HAS IT BEEN THE POLICY OF AS OPPOSED YOU HAVE A, YOU HAVE VEHICLES, YOU KNOW, EXAMPLE, A 30-YEAR-OLD SO THEY QUALIFY FOR FINANCE.
I MEAN, BUT I DON'T HEAR US TALKING ABOUT ABOUT FINANCING AS AN OPTION.
SO ALL OF OUR VEHICLES WE DO FINANCE.
UM, FOR EXAMPLE, LAST YEAR WHAT WAS OUR LOAN FOR ALL ALL VEHICLES, UM, ALL VEHICLE ADDITIONALLY THOSE LOANS ARE ARE
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FIVE YEAR LOAN.WE FIVE YEARS FOR SAME THING WITH FIRER THIS YEAR WE GOT A LOAN FOR THAT.
SO THAT COULD EXTEND THE NEXT ONE OUT LONGER.
THAT'S, IT DOES HAVE A LONGER LIFE THAN THE OTHER VEHICLES.
IF WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO FINANCE CAPITAL, WE TRADITIONALLY DO.
IF WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO FINANCE CAPITAL, WE TRADITIONALLY DO QUALIFIES.
SO YOU SAID THIS ONE'S THERE'S ONE ALREADY BUDGETED AND THE CURRENT BUDGET THAT WE PAY FOR, IS THAT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT'S WHAT WE USE THE FUNDS FOR.
SO IF FEMA APPROVES BUYING IT, THEN WE BASICALLY MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED AND WE USE THE FEMA FUNDS, BUY IT'S REIMBURSABLE TO EVERYBODY'S.
WELL I I UNDERSTAND THAT ARGUMENT BUT UM, LOOKING AT THE, THE WHOLE BUDGET, NOT JUST FIRE DEPARTMENT, YOU'VE GOT, UM, FUNDING IN THE CURRENT FUND BUDGET OF UPWARDS OF $1 MILLION TO BUY A TRUCK BY CASH FOR UM, NO, YEAH, THERE'S DECO SEED THAT OFFSET THAT.
THERE ARE DECO SEED THAT OFFSET THAT IN THE BUDGET.
SO WE ARE P AND A TO, WELL FOR UM, FINANCING ON SEVERAL CAPITAL ITEMS, VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT THAT MEET THE CRITERIA INCLUDING THE FIRE TRUCK THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD PREVIOUSLY THAT WAS ON THE FY 24.
NOT FOR, NOT FOR WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW.
THAT'S IN OUR CURRENT YEAR RIGHT NOW YOU
SO FOR THIS COMING BUDGET YEAR, WHAT YOU'LL SEE THERE IS CURRENTLY RECOMMEND $2.6 MILLION IN, IN CAPITAL REQUEST AND WE'RE ABLE TO FINANCE 1.8 MILLION OF THOSE AND THE MAJORITY OF THOSE ARE VEHICLES OF SOME SORT NOW, UM, AND CURRENTLY THAT, THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE A FIRETRUCK OUTSIDE OF THE, WHAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE THAT WAS IN OUR CURRENT BUDGET YEAR.
BUT IF WE DO HEAR FAVORABLY FROM FEMA THEN WE WOULD BASICALLY USE THOSE, THOSE FUNDS TO PURCHASE FIRE TRUCK AND THAT FREES UP MONEY THAT WE BUDGETED IN THE CURRENT YEAR BUDGET FOR A FIRE TRUCK.
WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING DISCUSSION NOT IN THE CURRENT YEAR SINCE WE JUST PURCHASED THE TRUCK, WE'VE GOT ONE HOME ORDER.
THAT'S IN OUR CURRENT BUDGET WE'RE OPERATING IN RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S NOTHING IN THIS PROPOSED BUDGET THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT NO, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT PROPOSED.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CURRENT BUDGET.
SO THAT ONE'S ALREADY BEEN ORDERED.
I THOUGHT THE DISCUSSION THOUGH WAS THAT IF FEMA APPROVES THE USE OF FEMA MONEY THEN WE WOULD OFFSET THAT CURRENT BOND EXPENDITURE WITH FEMA DOLLARS.
IF THE BOARD DID NOT WANT US TO PURCHASE ANOTHER FIRE TRUCK, YES WE CAN, WE CAN PULL THOSE FUNDS FOR, FOR THIS BUDGET YEAR AND GET THAT BACK FOR THE EXISTING OR, OR WE CAN PURCHASE ANOTHER TRUCK.
LET'S TAKE THAT ARGUMENT ONE STEP FURTHER.
WHEN DO YOU EXPECT IF A FEMA DECISION? WE WOULD LIKE TO SAY WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO REFER TO HIM BY NOW, BUT I THINK WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS REQUEST FOR AT LEAST FOUR MONTHS NOW WAITING TO HEAR FROM THEM.
SO IF, IF WE DON'T HEAR ANYTHING BACK FROM FEMA BEFORE THIS BUDGET IS ADOPTED, THEN FEMA'S DECISION WILL HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CURRENT BUDGET, WHICH WILL BE LAST YEAR.
SO IF FEMA SAYS YES, YOU USE FEMA BONDING THAT WOULD GO INTO NEXT YEAR BUDGET FOR A FIRE TRUCK, A NOT FIRE FEMA DOLLARS WOULD BE IN THE 24 25 BUDGET, NOT 2324.
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END RESULT WOULD BE TWO NEW THAT'S CORRECT.MORE, BUT WE'LL SAY IN THE NEXT SIX WEEKS WE DO HEAR FROM
SO WHAT I'VE HEARD SO FAR SEEMS LIKE THERE'S SUPPORT FOR A SECOND DRUG.
SO WE WOULD USE THOSE FEMA DOLLARS FOR THAT SECOND DRUG.
WELL, BUT I, THAT'S THE POINT I'M GETTING TO IS WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PRESSURES OF THE BUDGET PROCESS, YOUR RECOMMENDATION OF THE 3 CENTS TAX INCREASE, WHICH CHANCES ARE THERE ARE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD NOT GONNA BE SUPPORTED OF THAT.
SO WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT TERMING BUDGET TO BE MAKING A DECISION RIGHT NOW, COMMIT OURSELVES TO A SECOND TRUST WHEN IF FEMA SAYS YES, THE DOLLARS THAT FREES UP CURRENT FUND MONEY, UM, THAT COULD BE USED TO JUST LET IT LAPSE INTO SURPLUS AND YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL MONEY AVAILABLE TO HELP BALANCE THE YES.
I I DON'T RECOMMEND ADDING, UH, A TRUCK INTO THIS NEXT BUDGET UNTIL WE DO HEAR SOMETHING BACK FROM PEOPLE.
MY CONCERN IS I AM NOT THRILLED WITH THE CONCEPT OF COMMITTING TO PURCHASING A SECOND TRUCK UNTIL WE HAVE A DECISION.
YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE.
SO WHEN YOU GET A DECISION FROM FEMA, PUT IT ON AN AGENDA AND SAY WE'VE GOT APPROVAL FROM FEMA, IS THE BOARD NOW READY TO TAKE ACTION ON ORDERING A NEW TRUCK WITH THAT? IF YOU, IF YOU WERE TO DO WHAT ALMAN SAID AND TAKE THE FEMA MONEY, IF THEY APPROVE IT TO APPLY TO WHAT WE'VE ALREADY OBLIGATED OURSELVES FOR, YOU'RE ONLY GONNA SAVE THE ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE FOR THAT, THAT TRUCK.
IT WOULDN'T BE THE FULL AMOUNT.
IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'VE GOT A MILLION DOLLARS FROM FEMA COMING INTO OUR BUDGET.
IT'S ONLY GONNA COVER THE ANNUAL COST.
WE'VE ALREADY GOT THAT FILLED INTO OUR CURRENTLY, IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH, I THINK I COULD PROBABLY AMEND IT.
UM, AND USE SOME OF THE CAPITAL THAT'S COMING UP 25 TO PLAN TOWARDS THAT LOAN AS WELL AND REDUCE THE AMOUNT WE HAVE TO BORROW FOR FOR F 25 OUT.
MAYBE NOT EVEN GO THE DIRECTION YOU WANNA, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK SIMPLE.
IF THEY APPROVE OUR REQUEST FOR A FIRE TRUCK AND COME BACK AND BEFORE AND SAY YOU GOT APPROVAL, DO YOU WANNA BUY A SECOND TRUCK, THEN WE CAN HAVE A FIVE SECOND TRUCK OR APPLY TO MAKE SENSE? YEAH, I I THINK WHAT, WHAT I'M REALLY DRIVING AT IS, AND IF I MISSED IT, I APOLOGIZE.
UM, I DON'T SEE FOR THE PANEL, I'LL JUST USE A AS AN EXAMPLE.
I'D LIKE TO SEE A, A LIST OF ALL VEHICLES BUT THE RANGE ARE AND THE ANTICIPATED REPLACEMENT TIMEFRAME FOR THOSE VEHICLES.
SO IF WE'VE GOT, I DUNNO HOW MANY TRUCKS DO WE HAVE? SO CURRENTLY YOU HAVE UM, PRIMARY UNITS, YOU HAVE UH, ENGINE TWO, TWO ENGINES, TWO LADDERS IN THE TOWER, WHICH ARE YOUR PRIMARY UNITS, SERVER THREE STATIONS, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE RESERVES OF THAT BEING THE FOUR FIVE, WHICH WE JUST DISCUSSED AS FAR AS BEING THE WHAT ITS DEADLINE, UM, AND THE TOWER.
SO ONE, TWO, SO I'LL GIVE YOU THE EXACT NUMBER HERE.
WELL THE, WHAT WHAT I'M REALLY GETTING AT IS EIGHT VEHICLES, 10 TRUCKS OR WHATEVER.
THESE ARE VEHICLES THAT HAVE GENERALLY A LONG LIFE 20, 30 YEAR TIMEFRAME.
UM, AND AND I UM, WOULD CERTAINLY ARGUE THAT THOSE TYPES OF, FOR
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BIG NUMBERS, THAT'S WHERE FINANCING COMES IN.I MEAN, YES, OVER THE LONG RUN YOU'RE GONNA PAY MORE FOR FINANCING.
UM, BUT YOU'RE SHARING THAT COST NOT ONLY WITH THE CURRENT TAX PAYERS, UM, BUT THE FUTURE TAX PAYERS AS WELL WHO ARE GONNA BENEFIT BY HAVING A VEHICLES REPLACED ON A REGULAR SCHEDULE.
SO I'D LIKE TO SEE FOR ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS, YOU KNOW, OF THE, THE LARGER, UM, VEHICLES AND ALL THAT STUFF IS JUST TO SEE THAT KIND OF A PROJECTION OF UM, WHAT WE HAVE, WHAT THEIR CURRENT AGE ARE, WHAT THEIR ANTICIPATED LIFE, UM, SPAN IS AND WHEN WE NEED TO BE LOOKING OUT THROUGH REPLACEMENT.
SO AND SO WHAT WE CAN DO, AND WE MUCH LIKELY TO DO THIS TOMORROW, WE HAVE A FIVE YEAR CAPITAL PLAN AND SO THEY DIDN'T INCLUDE IN THIS BUDGET.
THAT WAY YOU CAN SEE THAT EACH DEPARTMENT HAS REQUESTED OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
AND THAT, THAT SHOULD HELP YOU OUT.
SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON FIRE.
BEST YOU IN PARKS AND RECREATION, THE CAPITAL RECOMMENDED SECURITY CAMERAS WOULD BE FROM MARK MARIETTA PARK, HENDERSON PARK, HILL PARK.
AND THAT WOULD ROUND OUT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF UM, GLEN BURN PARK SECURITY CAMERAS IN ALL OF OUR PARKS.
UH, A BLOWER, A TRACTOR MOUNTED TO HELP CLEAR DEBRIS, FOUR REPLACEMENT MOWERS FOR MOWING CREW.
AND ON THE SECOND PAGE OF THE NEXT PAGE OF THAT, REBUILD SOME FISHING PIERS ALONG LAWSON CREEK AND PARK RESTROOM UPGRADES TO INCLUDE PAINTING NEW, NEW UM, NEW URINALS AND TOILETS AND SINKS AND UM, NEW FLOORING AND THEN ONE REPLACEMENT VEHICLE.
AND THAT REPLACES MISS, UM, THAT IS NO LONGER IN OPERATION.
ITS AGE FOSTER OWNER REPLACEMENT MOWERS.
THIS IS OUT PARKS AND RECREATION.
DO WE HAVE MOWERS IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS? IT BASICALLY PUBLIC WORKS AND PARKS AND RECREATION.
I BELIEVE WATER RESOURCES HAS A FEW MOWERS IT SEEMS LIKE, AND I THINK THIS IS THE 10TH YEAR NOW FOR ME, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE JUST BOUGHT SEVERAL LAWNMOWERS.
DO WE KNOW WHAT DEPARTMENT? PROBABLY FOR ANOTHER DEPARTMENT PARTS RECREATION.
THEY HAVE A FIVE YEAR REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE AND THAT'S NORMALLY WHAT WE GO WITH WITH WITH ALL OF THOSE MOWERS.
THIS FISHING HERE AT MANN'S CREEK? MM-HMM.
WHERE, WHERE DOES THAT BEHIND UM, TRENT COURT? WE ACTUALLY HAVE, IT'S EITHER FOUR OR FIVE FISHING PIERS ALONG THERE AND SEVERAL OF 'EM ARE IN NEED OR IN NEED OF HELP OF, OF, OF, OF LUMBER REPLACEMENT ALONG THE DECK THAT HAVE MORE BARN RIGHT ALONG THE RIVER WALK.
LEANER MORGAN? LEANER MORGAN PARK? MM-HMM.
YOU GOT FIVE THERE? THAT'S CORRECT.
THERE'S A TOTAL FIVE WITH THE ONE BEHIND TOWERS.
ARE THEY ALL USED? THEY'RE CLOSED RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT SAFE.
HOW LONG HAVE BEEN CLOSED? ALMOST A YEAR.
DO WE HAVE THE OPTION OF USING THE LIKE REX TYPE OF PRODUCT AS OPPOSED TO PRESSURE TREATED WOOD? WE DO PRESSURE TREATED WOOD.
AND I BELIEVE THE MAJORITY OF THOSE PEERS WERE WERE, WERE INSTALLED WITH SOME TYPE OF GRANTS AT SOME POINT ALONG THE LINE AND THEY JUST, IN REALITY, THOSE PEERS HAVE NOT LIVED THEIR LIVES AND STOP REPLACEMENT.
WAS THIS ADDRESSED IN THE MASTER PLAN? I BELIEVE IT WAS CARRIE CAN YOU THEY WERE, THEY WERE IN THE MASTER.
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AND HOW WELL WERE WE UTILIZE PRIOR TO CLOSING? I I THINK WE USE THEM FREQUENTLY FOR FISHING AND JUST, YOU KNOW, BEING OUT ON THE ORDER THERE.I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW FREQUENTLY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO TRACK THAT WITH OTHER THAN WE'RE ADDING ONE.
IT'S GONNA BE A NICE ONE WHERE PEOPLE GET OUT TO CATCH A FISH.
I, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WE HAD FIVE BACK THERE.
SO IS THIS TO REPLACE ONE OF THE FIVE THAT IS TO REPLACE THE DECK IN ON THREE OF THOSE, I BELIEVE.
AND THAT'S WHAT STAFF DURING THE WORK.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UNDER PARK CREATED UNDER DEVELOPMENT SURVEY THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR TWO NEW VEHICLES WE DENIED OF THOSE REQUESTS.
WHAT WE'LL END UP DOING ON THAT IS AS WE PURCHASE NEW POLICE VEHICLES WHEN THEY COME IN, UH, WE'LL BASICALLY, LEMME GO BACK TO PARK REAL QUICK.
AND THE FISHING PEERS, SINCE THEY'VE BEEN CLOSED, HAS THERE BEEN ANY COMMENTS FROM CITIZENS? ANY QUESTIONS? WHEN WILL THEY REOPEN? I'VE HAD A FEW CALLS.
UM, I HAD ONE GENTLEMAN HOW, WHO WAS SELLING A HOUSE LOAD.
I HAD CLOSE BY AND HE WAS COMPLAINING BECAUSE THEY WERE CLOSED.
UM, HE RECEIVED FREQUENT CALLS BUT NOT DAILY.
SO IF, UM, LET US KNOW IF, IF YOU DON'T SUPPORT THIS, LET US KNOW AND WE CAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY ADDRESS IT.
I, I'LL, I'LL PROBABLY WRITE OUT THERE TOMORROW MORNING AND JUST LOOK AT THEM IF THERE'S FIVE.
I DIDN'T, I KNEW THERE WAS THE ONE RIGHT BEHIND THE FAIRLY NEW ONE RIGHT BEHIND TRENT COURT WHERE THEIR ADMIN BUILDING WAS
I THERE'S NOT BETWEEN THE ONE AT TRENT COURT WHERE THE ADMIN BUILDING IS.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF RESIDENTS ALONG THAT AREA ANYMORE.
SO IS THE LEANDER MORGAN PARK PIERCE STILL, IS IT CLOSED? IS IT ONE ON THIS PLACE? ALL THESE ARE ALONG THAT RIVER WALL THAT LEANDER MORGAN PARK.
SO THAT ENTIRE GREEN SPACE FROM WHERE HE'S TALKING ABOUT DOWN BY THE OLD HOUSE OF AUTHORITY ALL THE WAY TO NEWBURN TOWERS, THESE ARE ALL WITHIN THAT STATE.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING YOU NEED, UH, TO KNOW SOME FROM TO ON PROCESS.
JUST GIVE US DIRECTION IF YOU, IF YOU, WE WE'LL VERIFY WITH GRANT I WHAT KIND OF GRANT WE HAD THAT WITH, BUT THE BOARD DOES NOT SUPPORT THIS AND WE DO NOT HAVE TO THIS AND WE CAN MAKE ADJUSTMENTS STUFF.
UM, THIS IS TO FIX THREE OF 'EM.
SO IT'S $35,000 THAT WOULD PUT TREATED WOOD BACK ON THREE PIERS.
IF WE WERE TO GO WITH WHAT AUBURN RECOMMENDED, COULD WE MAKE ONE OF THESE RE AND USE MATERIAL THAT LAST LONGER AND HAVE ONE NITRO VERSUS THREE THAT HAVE WOOD ON IT? IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? YEAH, WE COULD, THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY, WE CAN SEE HOW FAR WE CAN GO AND IT COULD BE TWO BEERS.
LET'S GET TOGETHER TOMORROW TO TAKE A, I GUESS JUST ONE QUESTION IF GRANT FUNDED RESTRICTIONS, RIGHT? IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE GRANTING SOURCE.
MOST LIKELY IF IT WAS CAM FUNDS, WE WOULD PROBABLY NOT BE HELD TO IT ONCE WE SLIP LIFE.
UM, AND EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE CAM WILL ALLOW FOR, TO BEST USE FUNDS TO REFURBISH THINGS THAT THEY HAVE ALREADY FUNDED.
IF IT IS SOMETHING LIKE A LAND WATER CONSERVATION FUND GRANT, WHICH WE DON'T KNOW IF
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WE HAVE TO LOOK THAT UP, THEN WE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN THAT IN PERPETUITY.BUT STAFF WILL DO THAT RESEARCH AND, AND WE'LL HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THAT.
RECOMMENDING A R FOR THE EQUIPMENT CLASS FIVE SERVICE VEHICLE AND $25,000.
AND THIS, THIS SERVICES ALL THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT.
SO THEY WOULD ACTUALLY GO OUT ON SITE TO SERVICE VEHICLES AND NOT TO TRUCK, BUT IT ACTUALLY GOES OUT.
THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHANGE TIRES AND, AND REPLACE BATTERIES WHEN THEY SERVICE VEHICLES WITH WORK BODY, THEY'RE REQUESTING THREE.
AND THESE ARE TO ADDRESS REPLACEMENTS IN THE EXISTING FLEET REPLACEMENT OF UTILITY TRACTOR.
AND THAT'S REPLACING THE TRACTOR IS 22 YEARS OLD.
CIVIL REPAIR ISSUES ON THE SERVICE VEHICLE.
AND THE PURCHASE OF A 62 INCH SIDE MOWER ATTACHMENT WITH THE CURRENT TRACTOR, AGGRESSIVE THUMB FOR THE EXCAVATOR.
TRAFFIC CONTROL CABINETS AND STRUCTURAL REPORT REPORTS FOR TRAFFIC CONTROL BOXES.
SKID STEER PICKUP ROOM WITH THE GUTTER ATTACHMENT.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.
SPEAKING OF TRAFFIC CONTROL BOXES, DID WE EVER TAKE CARE OF THAT ONE? THAT WAS OVER NEAR KATHY AOL? THAT WAS, YES.
THAT WAS ELEVATED, I BELIEVE A FEW FEET.
HEAVY EQUIPMENT CLASS SERVICE VEHICLE.
DO WE ALREADY HAVE ONE? WE DO NOT.
THAT WOULD BE A NEW VEHICLE TO THEIR FLEET.
AND GEORGE, GEORGE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP AND ADDRESS.
WE, WE FIT AT A NEW POSITION, I BELIEVE IT WAS LAST HEAVY DUTY OR DIESEL MECHANIC.
AND WE STARTED BRINGING THOSE, THOSE THINGS IN HELP.
IT'S MORE COST EFFECTIVE TO DO THOSE REPAIRS IN-HOUSE AS A, AS OPPOSED TO SENDING THINGS OUT, TAKING FOREVER.
YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT? YES.
WE HAD AN EXISTING HEAVY EQUIPMENT MECHANIC AND THEN LAST YEAR BUDGET, WE GOT SECOND HEAVY EQUIPMENT MECHANIC WAS FALLING UP ON WHAT MANAGER SAID ABOUT WHETHER THERE WAS A COST SAVINGS DUE TO LABOR RATES AND PARTS.
AT THE TIME WE HAD USE AN OUTSIDE SOURCE HEAVY EQUIPMENT.
NOW THAT WE HAVE THE SECOND POSITION FOR A SECOND HEAVY EQUIPMENT, THE UTILIZATION OF A SECONDARY HEAVY TRUCK.
AND THAT INCLUDES EVERYTHING FROM, IT'S GOT A CRANE ON IT, IT'S GOT A WELDER.
THEY DO APPROXIMATELY 50% OF THEIR WORK IN THE FIELD.
SO WHEN A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT GOES DOWN, MOST OF THE TIME THEY GO IN THE FIELD REPAIR.
SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY BACK IN THE SHOP.
AND IT ALSO, SO GEORGE, ARE WE SITTING A CORRESPONDENT DECREASE IN YOUR OPERATING BUDGET OR NOT HAVING? WE DID, WE DID AN ANALYSIS OVER THE FIRST THREE MONTHS WHEN WE HAD THIS, UM, POSITION FUNDED.
AND YES, WE, WE DID SEE A SAVINGS, NOT OUTSOURCING THAT'S GOTTA DO WITH THE HIGH LABOR COST.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? YEAH.
IT'S DIFFICULT TO SAY WITH INFL.
INFLATIONARY PRESSURES ON, ON PARTS NOW.
SO YES, WE ARE BETTER OFF DAY TO DAY THAN WE WERE DURING LAST YEAR'S BUDGET JUST BECAUSE OF THESE SAVINGS.
AND I, AND I ALSO HAVE TO SAY THE RETURN ON OUR EQUIPMENT IS MUCH FASTER.
SO WHEN WE SEND ONE OUT, IT GETS IN LINE WHEN WE, WE CAN DO IT IN HOUSE, WE CAN PUT THEM BACK INTO ON WORK REPLACING A SINGLE AX.
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ONE I WANTED ASK.I WAS CATCHING BEFORE, SIT DOWN, INCLUDING SIDEWALK IMPROVE IMPROVEMENTS IN $80 ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS.
I'M SORRY, YOU WENT TOO FAST ON ME.
UM, GEORGE, WHAT'S, IS THERE ANY PLANS OR DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON, UM, EXTENDING THE SIDEWALKS DOWN TO GEORGIA, UH, EXCUSE ME, OAK ROAD? YES.
AND, AND, AND I'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSION, UM, WITH DER AS WELL AND WE, WE'VE HAD IDENTIFICATION NOT ONLY THROUGH OUR EXISTING LIKE MID PLAN, BUT ALSO THROUGH THE UM, COMMITTEE.
THEY HAD ACTUALLY IN OUR LAST MEETING AN OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE ON FIVE, THEIR PRIMARY CONCERNS.
ONE OF THOSE FOR US TO GET TO THE POINT OF UTILIZING THOSE, WE NEED TO ESTABLISH WHAT WE HAVE, WHETHER IT BE BRIDGES, C CREEKS, UM, ROADSIDE DITCHES, DRAINAGE, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE RUN INTO.
SO MY RECOMMENDATION ON THIS IS GOING FORWARD, I THINK FOR AT LEAST FOR THIS UPCOMING, WE WOULD LIKE USE APPROPRIATE SIDEWALK FOR AN ENGINEER FIRM TO GO OUT THERE AND DO THE SURVEY, IDENTIFY THESE THINGS TO GET US A PLAN TO FIGURE OUT ONE, WHICH SIDE WE NEED TO GO DOWN FOR FEASIBILITY ISSUES AND WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO TO DOWN THAT.
SO WE CAN START WORKING TOWARDS CONNECTING PIERCE FIELD TO MARK MARIETTA PARK.
I THINK WE DID THAT WHEN MATT WAS HERE.
BECAUSE WHEN WE REPAID OAKS ROAD, ALDERMAN WHITE WANTED SIDEWALKS AND MATT CAME BACK AND HAD AN ENGINEER LOOK AT IT AND THE COST WAS JUST ASTRONOMICAL.
I, I'LL SPEAK TO THAT BECAUSE OUR FIRM THAT GAVE HIM A PRICE, WE DID NOT ACTUALLY DO A SURVEY.
SO IT, BUT WE'RE GETTING TO THE POINT OF IF WE CAN, UH, GET MARTIN MARIETTA PARK ATTACHED TO PETERSFIELD AND DOWN OAK ROAD, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO WALK FROM MARK MARIETTA ALL THE WAY THROUGH TOWN, ALL THE WAY TO LAS CREEK PARK.
SO YOU COULD DO THE ENTIRE, UH, LOOP TO THE PARKS.
AND THAT IS THE LAST, THAT IS THE LAST PIECE TO GET US TO, TO MARK BARTA.
I GUESS I'LL MENTION THIS NOW, IT'S PROBABLY IN A BETTER TIME.
UM, WITH OUR ELECTION BEING NEXT YEAR, AND IT'S GONNA BE THE ONLY THING ON THE BALLOT, I REALLY THINK THE BOARD SHOULD CONSIDER A BOND REFERENDUM THAT WOULD GO ON THAT BALLOT TO COMPLETE OUR BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN PLAN AND WHATEVER OTHER PROJECTS WE WANNA LOOK AT, WHETHER IT'S THE PARKS AND RECREATION.
TO ME THAT IS AN IDEAL TIME BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT'S GONNA COME OUT AND VOTE, THEY'RE GONNA BE HOPEFULLY EDUCATED AND ENGAGED WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND THEY'RE GOING TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO SPEND TAX DOLLARS ON COMPLETING THIS PROJECT.
BECAUSE WE HEAR ALL THE TIME THAT WE HAVE ALL THESE PLANS ON THE SHELF AND WE NEVER COMPLETE IT BECAUSE IT TAKES MONEY TO COMPLETE IT.
AND WHEN YOU TALK TO PEOPLE ABOUT IF THEY WANT TO RAISE TAXES TO PAY FOR THIS STUFF, THEY DON'T WANT.
SO THIS I THINK WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY.
IT'S A, IT'S A PROJECT THAT'S ALREADY PUT TOGETHER.
YOU'VE GOT A BIKE PEDESTRIAN COMMITTEE.
I MEANT TO ME THAT THAT ONE IS A NO BRAINER.
AND THEN LET THE PUBLIC DECIDE THAT THE PUBLIC VOTES DOWN THAT DECISION.
THEN IN THE FUTURE WHEN PEOPLE ASK FOR THINGS, WE CAN SAY WE PUT IT BEFORE A VOTE AND THE PUBLIC VOTED TODAY.
THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION ON THAT.
AND DID A, A BOND PLAN ON A BOND REFERENDUM ON THE WHOLE PLAN OR YES.
PRIOR TO I'LL DO THE WHOLE PLAN OKAY.
AND GET IT WORKING THROUGH PRIORITIZATION.
BUT THAT WAS, YEAH, AGAIN, PIECE NOT, YEAH.
EIGHT TO 10 MILLION? I THINK I HAVE TO GO BACK.
YEAH, I THINK THAT THAT COULD DEFINITELY BE ONE.
AND IT COULD BE, CAN HAVE DIFFERENT ONES.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.
RECREATION UP AROUND, PUT DIFFERENT ONES ON THE, THE BALLOT.
BUT I DEFINITELY THINK THAT, AND THEN THAT ALSO TAKES THE BURDEN OFF THE NEXT BOARD, WHOEVER THAT IS, TO SAY, HEY LOOK, WE'VE ALREADY GOT THE FUNDING WE APPROVED WITH THIS.
WHENEVER THEY GET SWORN IN OFFICE, THE MARCHING ORDERS ARE THERE AND THE FUNDING'S THERE AND MOVE FORWARD AND DO IT.
THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE WE, WE'VE DONE, I MEAN WE'VE DONE A GREAT JOB WITH AND TRYING TO MAKE SOME CONNECTIVITY, BUT WE'VE GOT THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS COME IN AND THEY'RE REQUIRED BY OUR ORDINANCE TO PUT A SIDEWALK IN AND THE SIDEWALK IS ON THEIR PROPERTY.
AND THIS WOULD MAKE THE CONNECTIONS FOR ALL OF THAT.
AND I, THAT WOULD BE WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
THEN WE CAN QUIT THIS HUNDRED, $2,000 A YEAR THAT WE TRY TO DO AND WE CAN'T REALLY MAKE DOING IT THAT WAY.
SO WHAT DID, WHAT WOULD YOU WOULD A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN SIDEWALKS ARE YOU, IS THIS WHAT ADD ADDITIONAL SIDEWALKS? NO, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WE UTILIZE THAT MONEY FOR, AND
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I'M NOT SURE WE NEED IT, THE ENTIRE 100, BUT A PORTION OF IT WE CAN UTILIZE FOR ENGINEERING DESIGN SERVICES FOR THE SURVEY WORK.AND, AND I WILL SAY THIS, ONCE WE GOT TO THAT POINT OF HAVING SOMETHING ON PAPER, IT DOES FACILITATE AND BEING ABLE TO SECURE GRANTS MUCH EASIER FOR THAT.
AND WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT GRANT OPPORTUNITIES DOWN THAT CORRIDOR ORDER TO TRY TO CONNECT THESE PIECES.
SO WOULD YOUR RECOMMENDATION BE TO TAKE $50,000 TO HIRE A CONSULTANT OR ENGINEER, WHATEVER IT WOULD BE, TO, TO, AND THEN TRY TO UTILIZE HIS OR HER DRAWINGS OR REPORT TO OBTAIN GRANTS, CORRECT? YES.
AND THEN AT, AT LEAST GET US TO A STARTING POINT OF ARE THERE AREAS WE CAN START WORKING TOWARDS THAT DIRECTION OF MARK MARIETTA PARK WE MAY NOT BE ABLE ACHIEVE MR. YEARBOOK AND, AND THEN UTILIZE THE OTHER $50,000 TO REPAIR THE SIDEWALKS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, CORRECT.
I'M, I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT.
I THINK I'VE ALWAYS SAID WE NEED TO REPAIR WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE WE START ADDING A BUNCH OF NEW STUFF.
YOU KNOW, YOU MADE MENTION OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT INCLUSIVE, DOES THAT INCLUDE TOWN WOODS? IN FINISHING THAT PROJECT, WE'RE ACTUALLY AT TOWN WOODS UNDER CONTRACT TO FINISH ISSUES.
LAST, I BELIEVE IT'S ABOUT ANOTHER 600 FEET FROM WOODS.
SO IS IT OUR DIRECTION TO THE STAFF TO PUT TOGETHER A PROPOSAL FOR A BOND REFERENDUM FOR FIGHT PEDESTRIAN? I WOULD SUPPORT THAT.
THE BOARD APPROVE RECOMMENDS, UH, MOVING FORWARD A BOND REFERENDUM FOR, WELL I SAY, I SAY LET'S MOVE FORWARD WITH GETTING INFORMATION THAT'S RIGHT FOR 2025 MM-HMM
WHICH, AND IT'S GONNA TAKE US, IT'S GONNA TAKE US BE A YEAR FOR THE PLANNING TO DO THIS.
AND SO WHAT WE CAN DO IS A FOLLOW UP AT A WORKSHOP AT SOME POINT LATER THIS SUMMER, WE CAN START TALKING ABOUT WHAT COULD BE INCLUDED IN THAT AND GET YOUR SUPPORT AND GO FROM THERE COULD BE A LONG TIME FOR EDUCATION.
I MEAN, JUST IN LINE WITH WHAT THE MAYOR IS SUGGESTING, I MEAN WE HAVE A BOARD AND THIS PREVIOUS ABOUT FIRE, SO THAT COULD BE ANOTHER, ANOTHER REFERENDUM QUESTION.
NOT NECESSARILY TAKE EVERYTHING AND LUMP IT ALL TOGETHER.
AND SEE, SEE WHAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY PUT COURT THE COMPLETION OF THE REMAINING PHASES AS AN OPTION BECAUSE I GET ASKED ALL THE TIME WHEN WE WANNA FINISH MARK MARIETTA AND WE'VE ALREADY GOT A PLAN AND THAT'S THE GOOD THING BY THE PEDESTRIAN.
MARK MARIETTA, WE HAVE A PLAN.
THESE THINGS WOULD BE PLUG AND PLAY, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU GET GOING.
UH, FOUR $60,000 IN ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT FOR DIVISION, RECOMMENDING A SIX STEER MUL COMBINATION OF TRAILER.
LEMME LEMME ASK YOU IF HERE, UM, ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS $460,000, HOW MUCH OF THAT IS FUNDED WITH THE $5 LICENSE PLATE FEES? I WOULD PROBABLY SAY NONE OF THAT.
UH, SINCE THAT, THAT THAT 160,000 CURRENTLY GOES INTO THE GENERAL FUND.
THIS IS BEING FUNDED BY POWELL BILL.
THAT GOVERNMENT STAFF COSTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, AND THEN OF COURSE WHEN WE GET FEES AND CHARGES, WE'RE GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT TAG FEE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON, ON CAPITAL AT THIS TIME? OFFICER, JUST A QUICK QUESTION ON YOUR, UH, IT SAYS 1.8 GENERAL FUND CAPITAL.
I'VE GOT A QUESTION LOOKING AT THE, UH, CHART I WOULD OR THE, UM, SPREADSHEET THAT HE GAVE US.
I THINK THAT INCLUDES THE, UM, ELECTRIC VEHICLE, THE UH, VEHICLE FOR ELECTRIC UTILITIES.
RIGHT? NOT JUST BECAUSE I, I'M LOOKING THE AMOUNT OF FINANCE FOR THE AT PAGE,
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IT'S 1.7 TOTAL I THINK IS INCORRECT.IT SHOULD BE 1.843 DOESN'T CAPTURE CAR.
THE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT, IS THAT A RESULT OF THE DOESN'T CAPTURE CAR.
THE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT, IS THAT A RESULT OF THE SURVEY? NO, IT IS NOT.
IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF FUNDS? NO.
THAT IS JUST A NORMAL ALLOCATION.
NOW WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT PA PAVING A LITTLE BIT MORE COMING UP, UH, IN, IN THE FEES CHARGES DISCUSSIONS.
BUT THE SURVEY THAT WAS DONE WILL BE USED TO UTILIZE THIS MONEY BASED OFF THE THAT'S CORRECT.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, WOULD EVERYONE LIKE TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK? WE DO HAVE SOME SOME SNACKS AND OUTSIDE.
IF YOU GO AHEAD AND TURN TO PAGE 21 IN YOUR BOOK, WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT FEES CHARGES, PAGE 21.
WE'RE GONNA START OFF IN ADMINISTRATION.
SO RECOMMENDED CHANGES ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN RED.
THE FIRST THING YOU'RE GONNA SEE IS CD, DVD OR USC FLASH DRIVE.
THAT LICENSE INCREASE FROM FIVE TO $10.
AND BASICALLY THE CALL THAT WE HAVE TO PROVIDE FLASH DRIVE HARD TO FIND A GOOD FLASH DRIVE FOR $5.
SO WE'RE HAVING TO COVER OUR COST FOR THAT.
AND THAT THAT COST IS BASICALLY IF SOMEONE HAS A PUBLIC RECORD REQUEST AND THEY DO NOT PROVIDE THEIR OWN FLASH DRIVE AND WE HAVE TO PROVIDE SOMETHING, WE PASS THAT COST ALONG.
THE NEXT THING WE HAVE IS A MOTOR VEHICLE FEE.
SO HISTORICALLY OUR MOTOR VEHICLE FEE HAS BEEN $5 BY STATE STATUTE.
$5 OF THAT CAN BE ALLOCATED TOWARDS THE GENERAL FUND, WHICH IS WHAT WE CURRENTLY DO.
ANOTHER $5 CAN BE ALLOCATED TOWARDS TRANSPORTATION AND WHETHER THAT BE HAVING OUR OWN TRANSPORTATION NETWORK, UH, OR ANYTHING ELSE, WE CAN USE THOSE UP REMAINDER OTHER 20 BE USED FOR ROAD IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS TO INCREASE THIS TO FIVE TO $15.
WITH THOSE ADDITIONAL $10 BEING ALLOCATED IN A ENTERPRISE FUND FOR PUBLIC STREET IMPROVEMENTS, WE ANTICIPATE GENERATING APPROXIMATELY $300,000 FROM AN ADDITIONAL 10,000.
SO EVERY, FOR EVERY $5 WE GENERATE $150,000.
AND I'D LOVE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS.
IF, IF THERE'S SUPPORT TO INCREASE IT, WE'RE HAVE TO INCREASE THIS.
AND SO BASICALLY WHEN DO YOU GET THIS? WHEN YOU GO TO RENEW YOUR, YOUR UH, TAG, UH, YOU AUTOMATICALLY HAVE A $5 FEE THERE.
AND SO YOU'RE PAYING THAT AND YOU, WHEN YOU GO THE UM, DMV, WHAT ARE OTHER CITIES DOING WITH THAT? UH, LET'S SEE HERE.
GREENVILLE, THEY'VE GONE UP TO 30.
JACKSONVILLE HAS GONE UP TO 30.
WASHINGTON IS CURRENTLY AT FIVE AND THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS WITH US.
SO WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF CITIES THAT THAT ARE AT THE MAX ON THAT.
SO WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET IS THE $5? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO IF WE WERE TO GO TO CLEAN THE ADDITIONAL $300,000 THAT WE GENERATED TO GO WHERE THAT WOULD GO INTO AN ENTERPRISE FUND, OH I'M SORRY.
FUND GO INTO A FUND BALANCE SPECIFICALLY FOR ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, A CAPITAL PROJECT FUND FOR ROAD.
I SEE WHAT WE HAVE TO DO FIRST.
ANYBODY GETS IT? I MEANT WITH, IT WAS EYE OPENING TO ME WHEN THE STREET SURVEY LATEST PRESENTATION AND I ASKED HIM HOW MUCH ANNUALLY SHOULD WE BE SPENDING? I WAS THINKING YOU WERE GONNA SAY A MILLION DOLLARS AND SAID HOW MUCH? 2 MILLION
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IT WAS.SO WE'RE, WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB BUT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT CATCHING UP AND THIS WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HELP CATCH UP AND THEN THIS, THIS PASS THE COST DIRECTLY ALONG TO THOSE WHO ACTUALLY USED THE ROAD.
ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA UM, HAVE EACH DEPARTMENT COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THEIR REQUEST.
SO I'D LIKE TO ASK SHERRY COME UP AND TALK ABOUT HER COMMEND RECOMMENDATIONS FROM SOME'S.
WE DIDN'T, I DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THIS AT BEGINNING BUT WE DIDN'T REALLY SET IT IN TIME.
BUT TYPICALLY I THINK WE WERE SHOOTING FOR BETWEEN FOUR AND FIVE WRAP.
YOU WANT ME TO COVER ALL OF MINE OR JUST WE DO THAT? ALRIGHT, SO FOR UM, CEMETERY FEE INCREASES LOOKING AT FOR THE OPENING AND CLOSING FEES, UM, TO INCREASE AND THAT IS DUE TO UM, AN INCREASE IN CO CONTRACTOR CHARGE FOR DIGGING AND CLOSING OF THOSE GRADES.
UM, SO THAT'S UM, THERE REASON REQUEST AN INCREASE ON THOSE.
I NOTICED THAT SOME OF THESE, THE RESIDENT NON-RESIDENT FEE, WE'VE MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS.
MOST SOME OF THEM ARE ARE DOUBLE IF YOU'RE OUTSIDE, IS THERE ANY REASON WHY WE JUST DON'T FROG BRUSH INTO ALL FEES THAT WAY? WE CERTAINLY CAN.
WHAT'S THE BOARD'S THOUGHTS ON THAT? AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT OUR TAXPAYERS UM, ARE SUBSIDIZING THINGS THAT ARE USED BY NON TAXPAYERS IN THE CITY, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO HELP RECOUP SOME OF THAT.
I MEAN FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN MY SON WAS SMALL WE USED TO GO TRENT WOODS AND USE OUR PARK AND I DIDN'T PAY TAXES.
SO THAT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS.
BUT YOU KNOW, FROM A FEE STANDPOINT IT WOULD BE PRETTY EASY.
I THINK STAFF WOULD PROBABLY APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT EVERYTHING WAS A RESIDENT FEE AND IT DOUBLE NONRESIDENT.
SO WHATEVER THE FEE IS FOR A RESIDENT, THE NONRESIDENT FEE WOULD BE TWICE.
I THINK THAT FEE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A CONDITIONALLY HIGH.
NOW THE RATES OF THE AQUATIC CENTER WOULD NOT TAKE EFFECT UNTIL SUMMER OF 2025 BECAUSE NEEDS CHANGE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR.
BUT THAT, THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT WOULD BE DIFFICULT.
I'M NOT OPPOSED TO TWEAKING IT BE THE LOWER SOME TO GET TO THE POINT TO WHERE IT'S DOUBLE.
I THINK THAT'S, THAT SHOULD KIND OF BE THE GOAL.
I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT FOR A WHILE, BUT EVEN IF YOU NEED TO LOWER THOSE IN RESIDENCE FEE FOR THE APARTMENT CENTER, WHAT FUTURE PLANS FOR ALL OF THE CEMETERIES BRING THEM ALL TO? AS IN WHAT DID TREES, DENTS AND VINES GOING OVER OVER THE PLACE? WHAT IS IT? WELL WE GO THROUGH TREES AND EVALUATE THEM ON A AS BASIS, UM, YOU KNOW, DETERIORATING.
SO THOSE ARE EVALUATED ON AN AS NEEDED BASIS UNLESS WE SAY SOME, YOU KNOW, THAT JUST MAKE TREATMENT.
WE DO REGULAR TREATMENT THROUGHOUT HOW OFTEN? HOW OFTEN ARE THEY EVALUATED? UM, AS NEEDED BASIS.
LIKE WE DON'T JUST RIDE THROUGH ONE OF THE CEMETERIES ON A GIVEN DATE AND EVALUATE ALL THREE.
IT'S JUST LIKE THE STREET FREE.
CAN YOU HAVE SOMEONE TO RIDE OVER WHERE THEY'RE GOING WORK AT? UM, PAPER GRAND.
UM, SOMEONE CALLED ME ABOUT THAT WHO SHARED SOME INFORMATION WITH ME AND I TOLD THEM THAT I SHARE THE RIGHT PEOPLE TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THE DEAD TREES IN THE GROWING ON THE FENCE AND
WE RECENTLY, YOU SEE THERE'S A LOT OF TOMBSTONES THAT'S BEEN OVER INDIA ALSO.
WE RECENTLY REMOVED ONE LARGE DEAD TREE IN THERE.
IT WAS BACK IN THE FALL FENCE LINE AND REPAIR FENCE IN EVERGREEN.
BUT THAT WAS DONE FALL WINTER OF 23.
I HAVEN'T HAD OPPORTUNITY, BUT I TOLD YOU I WOULD PASS IT ON THAT I WOULD TAKE A LOOK MYSELF THAT I'LL REPORT BACK TO THEM WHERE WE ARE AND WHAT WHAT'S PLANNING TO BE DONE.
AND SOME OF THAT IS VEGETATION GOING OVER FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WE HAVE TO COME AND CUT BACK.
WHAT KIND OF I I I'M AGREED TO DOUBLE THE NON-RESIDENTS BUT
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IF WE DO THAT, CAN WE LEAVE THE RESIDENCE FEE ALONE OR? I THINK WE PROBABLY WOULD IN MOST CASES.BUT WAS SAYING THERE'S SOME THAT WE MAY BE HIGH ALREADY.
WELL I'M TALKING ABOUT CEMETERIES RIGHT NOW.
SO YOU'RE SAYING UM, DO THE RESIDENTS FEES ALONE AND DOUBLE THE NON-RESIDENT? THEY ALREADY ARE.
SO, WELL CURRENTLY FOR WEEKENDS OR WEEKDAYS, FOUR O'CLOCK FOR AN ADULT IS WHAT IS CURRENTLY 500 AND TALKING ABOUT GOING TO SEVEN 50.
SO YOU'RE SAYING LEAVE IT AT 500, LEAVE IT AT 500 AND MAKE THE NON-RESIDENTS 1500 4,004.
WHAT IS CURRENTLY, IF WE'RE SAYING DOUBLE WHAT OUR CURRENT RESIDENT IS, IT WOULD BE FIVE.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT DOUBLING THE NON-RESIDENT RATE.
WELL IT WOULD BE, BUT IT WOULD BE IN RELATION.
BELIEVE IT AT 500 FOR THE RESIDENT AND THEN DOUBLE IT FOR THE NOT RESIDENT IS CURRENTLY SEVEN 50.
SO IT WOULD, THE WAY I TAKE IT WOULD BE FIVE CITY RESIDENT THOUSAND FOR NON-RESIDENT.
I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN I WAS TALKING ABOUT 1500 FOR NON-RESIDENTS AND LEAVE THE 500.
I WAS DOUBLING THE NONRESIDENT.
HOW MUCH OF THIS IS A PAST THREE COST? OPENING A GRAVE WHEN IT, A LOT OF THE OPENING IS PASSED THREE COST.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF IT COSTS US SEVEN 50 REGARDLESS THE, THE FULL, THE FULL AMOUNT IS NOT FASTER, BUT IT HAS THE FEE FROM THE CONTRACTOR HAS INCREASING ENOUGH WHERE WE HAVE TO INCREASE OUR OKAY.
WELL MAY MAYBE IF WE, IF YOU'RE, IF EVERYBODY'S GOOD WITH THE DOUBLE OF THE NON-RESIDENT, THEN MAYBE UNTIL THEY'RE GOING FROM FIVE TO SEVEN 50, MAYBE GO TO FIVE TO SIX AND THEN THE NONRESIDENT WOULD'VE GONE 12.
YEAH, I JUST, I MEAN I RESIDENTS ARE ALREADY PAID.
ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA ASK THE FIRE CHIEF TO COME UP.
HE'S GOT ONE ITEM UNDER FIRE RESCUE.
WHICH ONE IS IT? THIS ONE CHANGES JUST RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF.
UH, I THINK IT WAS ACTUALLY, UM, OVERLOOKED IN THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR AS FAR AS MAKING CHANGE FROM 15 7 5.
THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT WAS, WAS JUST TO IT IN LINE WITH THE OTHER PERMITS.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? PARK AND RECREATION? WELL SHE'S COMING UP.
UM, THE PARKING, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.
UM, CAN YOU JUST REFRESH US ON WHAT WE DID WITH THE PARKING RATES? NOT THE HOURLY FINE WORKING FINE, I'M TALKING ABOUT CALLS.
THE PARKING COMMITTEE SEVERAL YEARS AGO MADE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE DOUBLE WHAT THEY WERE AT THE TIME AND WE NEVER DID THAT.
DO WE KNOW WHERE WE COMPARED TO GET THAT FOR YOU? IN, IN JUST A SECOND.
IIII SKIPPED ON BEING ADMINISTRATIVE, UM, BY STATE STATUTE WE ARE CURRENTLY CHARGING UM, PRIVILEGED LICENSE FOR, FOR BEER AND WE WINE, UH, AND WE CHARGE BASED ON WHAT STATE STATUTE IS AND FOR ON PREMISES MAL BEVERAGES, THAT'S $15 FOR OFF PREMISE MAL BEVERAGE $5.
SO IT UN FORTIFIED WINE IS 15 OFF PREMISE FORTIFIED WINE IS 10.
SO WE'RE GONNA INCLUDE THAT IN OUR, UM, OUR, SO FOR A COUPLE YEARS AGO THEN, UM, WEEKDAY PARKING RENTAL SPACE WAS 20 AND WE INCREASED IT TO 35 NOW.
AND FOR THE 24 RESIDENTIAL, 24
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HOUR RESIDENTIAL, IT USED TO BE 30 AND WE INCREASED IT TO 45.SO ABOUT THAT'S STILL EXTREMELY LOW.
AND AND ANOTHER COMMENT I'LL MAKE IS SO FAR PAID PARK PARKING HAS GENERATED VERY GOOD REVENUE.
MONTH OF MAY IS IS DECEMBER WAS OUR NUMBER ONE MONTH.
APRIL WAS OUR NUMBER TWO MONTH MAY IS GETTING READY TO BE OUR NUMBER TWO MONTH.
SO WE'VE GOT BASICALLY SEVERAL MORE DAYS WE, WE WILL EXCEED WHAT WE BROUGHT IN, UH, WITH LEASING THE SPACES, UM, BEFORE THE ONE YEAR'S UP.
AND SO WE'RE ALWAYS HAPPY TO LOOK AT EXPANDING THIS IF WE RAISE ANY DESIRE FROM THE BOARD TO DO THAT.
WHAT IS THE PARKING UH, CROSS FROM CITY HALL? HOW WELL IS THAT DOING IT? IT'S DOING VERY WELL.
THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT.
YOU DON'T SEE, YOU DON'T SEE A LOT OF CARS IN THERE DURING THE DAY, IN THE EVENING TIMES.
THAT'S WHEN WE'RE MAKING OUR MONEY.
THURSDAY NIGHTS FRIDAY, FRIDAY EVENING, SATURDAYS IS WHEN WE GENERATED A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF EVIDENCE.
WELL WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE PARKING LOT NEXT TO MORGAN'S THAT'S CORRECT.
BUT I KNOW THAT MSDS LOOKING AT THAT PLAN, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT PROBABLY MAKE SENSE US TO DO SOMETHING NOW WHILE THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT.
I THINK IT'S PROBABLY THE BEST WAY.
SEE WHAT THEY COME BACK WITH AND THEN WE CAN ADDRESS THAT.
BUT SOMEBODY HAS A DEDICATED PARKING SPACE 24 HOURS A DAY IN THAT PARKING LOT FOR 45 A MONTH.
AND THAT EXPIRES THE END OF DECEMBER EVERY YEAR.
SO MSS LOOKING AT HANCOCK CREEK ALSO? NOT YET.
RIGHT? WE COULD, THEY'RE NOT LOOKING AT THAT.
IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE THINKING? THAT WAS MY POINT BRINGING UP WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS? WE COULD LOOK AT IT.
IT'S UM, CHARLIE'S GOT HIS ELECTRIC CHARGING STATIONS THERE.
UM, WAIT A NO, YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THE ONE BY THE FIRE MUSEUM ON THE RIGHT.
NO, NO THIS IS THE ONE ON HANCOCK STREET.
THE ONE ON HANCOCK BEHIND THE CHELSEA AREA.
IT'S MOSTLY THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE IN FRONT OF THAT.
YEAH, THAT KEEPS THEM OFF THE STREET.
BUT I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE ONE BY THE FARMERS DEPARTMENT.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GONNA PAY FOR THERE NOW THE ONE FROM THE DOUBLE TREE, THAT MIGHT BE THE NEXT THING.
WELL THE ONE JUROR THINKING OF HANCOCK, UM, IF YOU SEE ONE OR TWO VEHICLES IN THERE AT TIME, THAT'S A LIE.
WELL THAT'S, I DUNNO HOW, YEAH, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD MAKE MUCH SENSE TO PUT ANYTHING IN PLACE THERE.
PEOPLE PAYING 45 A MONTH, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER THEY USE IT OR NOT.
I'M SURE THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF TALKING ABOUT CHARGING, BUT UH, THAT'S A ONE TO, TO LOOK AT.
THE INTERESTING THING, AND I DON'T WANT TURN INTO A PARKING DISCUSSION, BUT ANYTIME PEOPLE SAY WE NEED MORE PARKING, DOWNTOWN PARKING, THE NEXT QUESTION I ASK IS WHO'S GONNA PAY FOR IT? BECAUSE IF PEOPLE AREN'T WILLING TO PAY A DOLLAR TO PARK PARKING SPACE FOR AN HOUR, NOBODY'S GONNA PAY THE PARKING.
PARKING DECKS ARE VERY EXPENSIVE.
WELL, I MEAN IF WE THINKING ABOUT THE NEXT ONE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, MIDDLE STREET NEXT TO THE DOUBLE TREE.
I THINK WE PUT THAT DISCUSSION ASIDE UNTIL THEY'RE DONE WITH THE TAPESTRY THEN, THEN PROBABLY HAVE THAT I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO STOP THE DISCUSSION WITH THE UH, MIDDLE STREET PARKING LOT.
UH, I THINK IT'S GOOD TO TALK ABOUT ALL OF THEM.
OKAY, SO ADDITIONAL FEES WE'RE LOOKING AT INCREASING IN PARTS OR RECREATION OR THE A PRODUCT CENTER GENERAL ADMISSION.
UM, SOME OF THIS WAS TO RAISE AS WELL AS GET AWAY FROM THOSE HALF DOLLARS BECAUSE WE HAVE THE PAST TWO SUMMERS HAD A HARD TIME GETTING QUARTERS TO MAKE CHANGE FOR PEOPLE COME IN AND PAY.
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AS YOU WERE SAYING, IF WE NEED TO REDUCE THAT AND THEN DOUBLE IT WITH A NON-RESIDENT, I MEAN I'M FINE WITH THAT.UM, NON-RESIDENT, WE GET A TON OF PEOPLE FROM GREENWOOD COME, UH, CARTER COUNTY, EMERALD ISLAND, UH, SWANSBORO.
UM, SO WE HAVE A LOT OF NON-RESIDENTS THAT ARE COMING TO USE OUR POOL BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ONE ACCESSING ONE IN THEIR COMMUNITY.
UM, SO WHATEVER YOU RECOMMEND ON THAT.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO STAY AWAY FROM THE HALF DOLLAR NUMBERS.
AND THEN, UM, I'M PROPOSING A AND PERMIT FEE.
WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT HOLD FISHING HERS IN LAWSON CREEK EVERY YEAR.
AND UM, RIGHT NOW THE ONLY THING THEY PAY IS IF THEY HAVE WANT US TO OPEN A CART BEFORE 6:00 AM THEY PAY $25 AN HOUR STAFF FEE TO HAVE A STAFF COME OPEN THAT PART.
SO THAT MEANS OUR STAFF'S GETTING THERE AROUND 4:00 AM TO OPEN IT UP.
UM, AND THEY'RE ONLY HAVING TO PAY US 25 OR COMES OUT THE $37 AND 50 CENTS IF IT'S HOUR AND A HALF.
AND SO I'M PROPOSING DOING A FISHING TOURNAMENT PERMIT FEE THAT WOULD BE A HUNDRED DOLLARS RESIDENCE AND 200 NON-RESIDENT.
THEY, THEY'RE GENERALLY COLLECTING MONEY FROM THOSE TOURNAMENTS AND THEY CAN HAVE ANYWHERE FROM 50 TO A HUNDRED PEOPLE ENTER THOSE TOURNAMENTS.
UM, SO I THINK IT'S ONLY BE CHARGED MORE THAN WHAT THEY'VE BEEN HAVING TO PAY.
SO WHAT PART WAS THAT? WELL IT WOULD BE WITH ANY, BUT MAINLY THEY USE LAWS CREEK FOR THESE FISHING ATTORNEY AND I ADDED UP WHAT WE HAD ON SCHEDULE.
RIGHT NOW WE'VE HAD FIVE NON-RESIDENTS TOURNAMENTS SCHEDULED AND THEN SEVEN RESIDENTS.
WOULD THAT INCLUDE THEM OPENING THE PARK EARLIER OR IS THAT GONNA BE AN ADDITION TO THAT? SO THEY'D BE LOOKING AT 137 AND 50 CENTS AT ARREST WARRANT 2 37 51 TIME.
YOU TALKED ABOUT AN AUTOMATIC GATE AT STREET, UM, FROM STAFF TO GO THERE AND OPEN AND CLOSE IT.
HOW MUCH, DO YOU REMEMBER HOW MUCH THAT WAS? APPROXIMATELY $20,000.
AND HAVE WE LOOKED AT, I'M ASSUMING WE, IT'S AN HOURLY EMPLOYEE UP AND SUNDOWN.
HAVE WE DONE AN ANALYSIS TO SEE HOW MUCH THAT COST? I KNOW THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT IF SOMEBODY GETS INSIDE HOW THEY GET OUT, THAT SORT OF THING.
BUT WELL WE NEED TO CHANGE THAT TOO.
INSTEAD OF SUN DUST, IT NEEDS TO BE A TIME ISSUE WITH THAT CHANGES THROUGHOUT A YEAR, IT'S DIFFERENT EVERY DAY IT'S DIFFERENT.
WELL DIFFERENT TIMES UP, YOU KNOW, NINE O'CLOCK, 8 30, 9 O'CLOCK AT THE TIME CHANGER.
BUT I MEAN YOU CAN LOOK AT TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT WEATHER CHANNELS AND GET TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT TIMES AT SUNSET, YOU KNOW, AND AT SUNSET THERE'S STILL, IT'S STILL LIGHT A LIE.
SO SOME OF THESE, IF IT WAS AUTOMATIC CAPABIL IT COULD BE PROGRAMMED, RIGHT? IT COULD BE PROGRAMMED, YES.
LAST NIGHT WE CALL SOMEBODY WAS LOCKED IN BY YEAH, WELL I HAD, I'VE HAD A FISHERMAN CALL ME AND COMPLAIN THAT HE GOT LOCKED IN AND I THINK HE SAID THE POLICE CAME AND LET HIM OUT.
THAT WAS THAT THE BACK SECTION OR THE BACK? THIS IS THE BACK SECTION.
SO THE BACK SECTION YOU TALKED ABOUT MAYBE WHERE THAT TEMPORARY GATE IS, IS FIXING THE ISSUE WE WERE HAVING ABOUT MOVING THAT TO THE AREA THAT GOES AROUND JACKS ISLAND TO KEEP THE FISHING DOCKS.
SO IS THAT A THOUGHT? WELL ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE HAD PAST THAT CHOKE POINT IS UNSAVORY ACTIVITY OCCURRING.
SO IT'S NOT THAT THOSE ACTIVITIES ARE HAPPENING IN JACK ISLAND OR THE MARSH ARTS, BUT THEY CAN BE HAPPENING RIGHT BEHIND THE UH, UH, THE RESTROOM AT CHOKE POINT OR IT COULD BE ON ONE TRAIL.
SO THAT'S WHY THE DECISIONS MAKE PUT THAT RIGHT THERE TO CHOKE POINT, PREVENT ANY OF THOSE ACTIVITIES AND THEY HAVE BEEN CURTAILED SIGNIFICANTLY, BUT THERE'S STILL SOME ISSUES THAT POLICE HAS BEEN ADDRESSING.
SO SO WHY DON'T WE JUST CLOSE THE WHOLE PARK INSTEAD OF HALF OF IT ONE TIME AND THE OTHER HALF ANOTHER TIME.
IF WE CLOSE THE WHOLE PARK AT SUNSET, YOU AND YOU ARE OFFICIAL AND YOU'RE THERE, THERE'RE GONNA BE SEVERAL, QUITE A FEW FISHERMEN THAT ARE GONNA BE LOCKED UP IN THERE.
WELL THEY'RE ALREADY GETTING LOCKED UP IN
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THERE.I MEAN, BUT IF YOU CLOSE THE PARK, IF YOU, IF YOU CLOSE THE PARK AT NINE O'CLOCK AND OR AND THE SIGN SAYS PARK WILL BE CLOSED AT NINE O'CLOCK AT LEAST PEOPLE WILL SAY I GOTTA BE OUT THERE BY NINE O'CLOCK, NOT SUNSET.
AND THEN I GO LOOK ON WCTI IT SAYS SUNSET'S AT 8 27.
BUT THEN YOU GO TO THE WEATHER CHANNEL, IT SAYS SUNSETS AT EIGHT 40.
SO LIKE LIBERTY PARK, WHEN DOES ZIP OPEN AND CLOSE? IT'S WITH SUNRISE, SUNSET, DAWN DOES.
SO WE CAN'T PUT LIKE EVERY TIME, EVERY DAY A DIFFERENT MARTIN MARIETTA PARK.
WE DO SAY DAWN FOR SUNRISE TO SUNSET, BUT WE HAVE SIGNS THAT ARE, THAT ARE REPLACEABLE AND IT AND IT'S BASICALLY ON THE HOUR.
AND THE GOAL IS, ESPECIALLY AT MARK MARIETTA PARK, IF IT'S SUNSET AT SEVEN 30, THE SIGN SAYS EIGHT O'CLOCK.
I MEAN I THE OTHER THING, UH, SORRY ABOUT THAT.
I WASN'T ASK NO, NO, NO, NO, THAT'S FINE.
I'M JUST, I JUST THINK IF YOU PUT A TIME INSTEAD OF SUNSET, YOU'LL BE, YOU'RE GOING BYPASS PAST 70 PEOPLE LOCKED IN BEHIND THE GATE.
AND THE THING ABOUT GLEN BURN PARK, WHILE, WHILE THE PARK ITSELF IS GATED OFF, THEY'RE STILL ACCESS TO THE, TO THE FISHING, UH, THE LAUNCH.
UH, WELL THAT'S NOT, I SEE WHERE CREEK HAVING THAT CHECK POINT CLOSE AT A CERTAIN TIME.
WE JUST CLOSED PARK CLOSED THE WHOLE PARK BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO SITTING AT THE FIRST BOAT ROUND THAT YOU WERE DOING SITTING AT THE SECOND BOAT ROUND WHEN IT'S DARK OUTSIDE.
I WOULDN'T OPPOSED WE CAN LOOK AT, I'M GETTING DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD.
SO LOSS CREEK PARK CURRENTLY IS SCHEDULED CLOSE 11.
I DON'T HAVE, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE FISHING TERMS PERMIT, BUT ARE WE
THEY'RE TRYING TO DO WEIGH-INS AND PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET IN AND AROUND THEM WHILE THEY'RE DOING THAT.
AND SO MY CONCERN IS THEY DON'T PAY A TERM, PAY A TOURNAMENT.
IS THERE AN EXPECTATION THAT THEY'RE GONNA GET EXCLUSIVE USE CERTAIN AND NO, THERE IS NOT.
BUT I, THEY JUST WANNA FIND A SPOT WHERE THEY CAN DO THEIR WEIGH INS WHERE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE IN TRAFFIC BUT YOU CAN'T CLOSE IT FOR A HUNDRED DOLLARS AND MAKE IT EXCLUSIVELY FOR FISH TERM.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE THE UNREALISTIC EXPECTATION THAT PARKS GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
THAT'S WHAT, I DUNNO, I THINK IT'S AN EXPECTATION THAT THE FISHERMEN GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH, BE HONEST WITH YOU.
BUT BUT PARKS REC AND US ARE THE ONES THAT COMPLAINTS.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE SHOULD BE GIVING EXCLUSIVE, I'M JUST SAYING THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT PAYING A FEE.
AREN, THEY PAYING A FEE NOW, THEY'RE CURRENTLY NOT PAYING ANY FEE AT ALL.
MOST OF THE WHILE WE THE, BUT MOST OF 'EM LIKE TO USE THE PROPERLY BECAUSE IF YOU GET THERE, I MEAN THESE THINGS KICK OFF EARLY IN THE MORNING YOU TALKING ABOUT WHEN THEY'RE COMING BACK.
WHAT I WAS THINKING IS IF THEY USE, IF YOU AND I HAVE A RECREATIONAL BOAT AND WE GO TO THERE AT EIGHT O'CLOCK ON THAT SATURDAY MORNING, ALL THOSE BOATS AND THE TRAILERS ARE USUALLY GOT THE FRONT PARKING LOT FULL SO YOU CAN GO TO THE BACK PARKING LOT.
I DON'T, I COULDN'T IMAGINE PUTTING OFF IN THE FRONT PARKING LOT SEEING HOW BUSY IT'S, BUT OKAY.
AND SOMETIMES THERE'S COMPETITION FROM THE PARK ITSELF AND PARKING AND PEOPLE WILL COME BACK THERE.
SO I'M JUST RAISING THE CONCERN THAT THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH NOW.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT? 20? HE'S COMING.
I GONNA ASK A QUESTION ABOUT BELT SERVICES.
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PERMANENT SERVICES FOR THE EJ, WHAT WE CHARGE THE SAME AS AREA IN THE CITY.IS THAT WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS DONE? IS THAT PRETTY STANDARD? OKAY, IS IT STANDARD? NO, IT'S NOT, NOT ALWAYS.
I MEAN EJS NOT HUGE, BUT WE, WE PROVIDE A SERVICE THAT WE GET NO TAX REVENUE BACK ON.
ALRIGHT, I'M UH, GOT TWO HERE.
THE FIRST IS AN INCREASE OF $50 FROM 150 TO 200 FOR THE PERMIT FOR SIDEWALK CAFE.
AND THAT IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO SOME ADDITIONAL AND THE SECOND BEING, UM, AN ENCROACHMENT FEE, UH, PER APPLICATION.
AND THAT WE HAVE HAD NO FEE IN THE PAST.
UH, WITH THE INCREASE OF TELECOMMUNICATION COMPANIES AND FIBER INSTALLERS, WE'RE FINDING A NEED TO RECO SOME OF OUR COSTS, UM, ON THE FUNDING END TO, TO OVERSEE SOME OF FEE FOR THAT KEEPING IN LINE WITH ING UM, AND REFUGE ALSO WARM UP.
UM, SO WE ARE HAVING AN INCREASE IN OUR RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL REFUGE CHARGES.
UH, THE, THE LANDFILL HAS UH, GONE UP ANOTHER DOLLAR PER LINE.
SO WE HAD $2 INCREASE LAST YEAR.
WE HAD A $1 INCREASE THIS YEAR FOR TIFFANY FEES AND WE'VE ALSO HAD OUR CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION TO INCREASE WITH GFL, WHO'S OUR CONTRACTOR HAULER FOR RESIDENTIAL REFUSE.
AND THOSE NUMBERS ARE REFLECTED IN THESE INCREASES.
QUESTIONS ON THAT? ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA GO OVER THE UTILITY FEES TOMORROW.
GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO GENERAL FUNDS.
WE TALKED ABOUT WHERE, WHERE THE DOLLARS GO.
AND SO UNDER ADMINISTRATION, WHICH COVERS STAFF IN CITY HALL, IF YOU'LL TURN TO PAGE 45 IN YOUR, IN YOUR BOOK ON PAGE 45 UNDER ADMINISTRATION, THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET FOR THAT DIVISION IS 9 55, 5 38 14 0.7 DECREASE.
IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, PLEASE LEMME KNOW.
WE'LL WE'LL ADDRESS FROM THERE.
ANY QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON.
UM, THE ATTORNEY, UH, WAS GONNA BE HERE TO PRESENT THAT.
SO WE'RE GONNA LET HIM DISCUSS HIS AREA TOMORROW WHEN HE GETS HERE.
SO WE'RE GONNA PASS ON TO SPECIAL APPROPRIATIONS.
SO IN SPECIAL APPROPRIATIONS, THIS IS ON PAGE 50.
HIGHLIGHTS FOR THIS INCLUDES $75,000 CONTRACT COUNTY LIBRARY, 1550 BUDGET, 25 FOR SPECIAL PROJECT THAT MAY DURING THE FISCAL YEAR.
SO WE DID REDUCE THAT TO $50,000.
AND OF COURSE IF THE BOARD HAS A PROJECT THAT COMES UP, IT'LL JUST BE A MATTER OF A BUDGET AMENDMENT IF YOU'D LIKE TO DO SOMETHING.
$7,000 FOR DISCRETIONARY FUNDING FOR THE MAYOR AND ARGUMENT AT $1,000 EACH AND $2,000 FOR CHRISTMAS DECORATION AT CITY HALL.
HOW LONG WILL WE CONTINUE TO PAY THE LIBRARY MONEY? UM, FOREVER.
WE'LL HAVE TO PULL THE CONTRACT.
THERE IS AN AGREEMENT IN PLACE.
UM, AND I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION AT MY FINGERTIPS.
THINK, I THINK WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA GO ANOTHER LIBRARY AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S GONNA BE TRIGGERED INTO CONTRACT
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SUPPOSED MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY'RE GONNA BE SHIFTING SOME RESOURCES FROM THE DOWNTOWN LIBRARY TO THIS NEW LIBRARY OUT BY RIVER BEND.SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE CONTRACT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S IN COMPLIANCE WITH THEM BECAUSE ORIGINALLY WAS UH, STARTED TO HELP THEM GET OFF THE GROUND PRETTY MUCH OFF THE GROUND AND RUNNING AND RUNNING BEFORE YOU IF ASSUMING THAT ARE GONNA BE EXPENSES IN THIS DISCRETIONARY FUNDING FOR RECOMMENDATION.
CAN YOU REPEAT THAT AGAIN? I HOLD ON.
PAGE 7,000 DISCRETIONARY FUNDING FOR THE, UM, ESSENTIALLY EACH BOARD MEMBER IS GIVEN THOUSAND DOLLARS TO AS THEY ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING TO TRIM EXPENSES TO TRY TO HOLD THE LINE ON THE RECOMMENDED INCREASE.
EVEN DISCRETIONARY FUNDS IS NOT WARRANTED.
SO IT'S AGAIN MY RECOMMENDATION, BUT THAT ONE I ELIMINATED.
THAT'S THE MONEY THAT YOU USED JOHNNY FOR YOUR NATIONAL NIGHT OUT STUFF? I THINK.
NO I DIDN'T MINE PERSONALLY, I DISAGREE ON THAT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW ANYONE ELSE FEELS ABOUT THAT, BUT, UH, I DISAGREE.
ALLON YOU SAID YOU WERE IN AGREEMENT WITH ELIMINATING IT.
YEAH, I I THINK WE SHOULD GO BACK AND UH, ELIMINATE TRAVEL'S THOUSAND.
IT LOOKS LIKE THE FIRST YEAR OF THIS BOARD, ONLY THREE PEOPLE USED IT LAST YEAR.
THAT'S UH, IF RIGHT, THAT'S 14,000.
NOT QUESTIONING IT, BUT WHAT IS OTHER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES UNDER THE TIGHTEN THE BUDGET I EXAMPLE, I THINK THAT MAYBE SOMETHING THAT WAS MOVED.
BRENDA WAS TRYING TO ALIGN STUFF BEFORE MADE MORE SENSE.
I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE JUST BEEN A MOVEMENT FROM SOMETHING ELSE, BUT LEMME LOOK THAT UP.
HAVE ANY COMMENT INTO CONSIDERATION? YEAH, I, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A OF THAT JUST TO ELIMINATE, I, I USE $60 IN 2023 BUT IF THERE'S A CONFERENCE OR AN EVENT TO GO TO, I'M NOT PAYING OUT MY POCKET TO GO TO A CONFERENCE FOR, TO REPRESENT THE CITY.
SO I THINK IF YOU WANTED TO MAYBE LOOK AT BOTH OF THOSE AND BRING 'EM DOWN.
I MEAN YOU GOT A THOUSAND DOLLARS IN DISCRETIONARY IN 2000 IN TRAVEL AND TRAINING, WHICH IS THREE IF YOU WANT CUT IN HALF, SAY 1500, SAVE SOME MONEY THERE OR MAYBE EVEN A THOUSAND.
BUT I THINK THERE SHOULD BE, I MEAN IF YOU REALLY WANT TRAVEL AND TRAINING PREVIOUS HALF, THERE'S HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.
WHERE'S THE LINE ITEM FOR THE TRAFFIC? IT'S ON PAGE BUT IN, IN AN EFFORT BEING HELPFUL, WE'RE SETTING ASIDE $14,000
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AND WE'RE HAVE A HISTORY OF USING ABOUT 2000 RATHER THAN ALLOCATING TRAVEL FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBER.MAYBE WE CONSOLIDATE THAT, MAKE IT THREE OR FOUR AND THEN, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE IT MORE LISTED WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY USING RATHER THAN 14.
WE, WE DID THAT UM, WE DID THAT ON THE PREVIOUS BOARD AND WE FOUND THAT ONE OR TWO PEOPLE USE ALL THE MONEY AND THEN THEY NEEDED MORE.
THEY WERE ASKING TO BORROW FROM OTHER, OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
SO WE DID AT ONE POINT START LOOKING AT SPECIFIC SITUATIONS AND, AND TRAINING AND LIKE WE HAVE IT LISTED OUT FOR EACH DEPARTMENT.
THE GOVERNING BOARD WOULD HAVE THINGS LISTED OUT, BUT I MEAN THERE'S THINGS THAT POP UP EVERY WEEK AND I GET AN EMAIL ABOUT
SO IT WOULD BE HARDER FOR US TO DO.
SO THIS $6 AND THIS, IT LOOKS LIKE FOUR OF US.
THAT'S, IS THAT WHERE THEY, THEY TOOK MONEY OUT OF OUR LINE ITEM TO GIVE IT TO SOMEONE ELSE TO TRAVEL TO CALIFORNIA OR SOMETHING.
'CAUSE I HADN'T USED A DIME OF TRAVEL MONEY EVER.
I I'VE NEVER COULD, COULD THAT HAVE BEEN UM, ETHICS TRAINING ONLINE? I'M THINKING 60 PROBABLY SOME TYPE OF TRAINING.
I LIKE TO MAINTAIN THE DISCRETIONARY, UH, CERTAINLY BETWEEN THE TRAVEL.
SO SO FOR TRAVEL WOULD THE WOULD 40 OR THOUSAND DOLLARS EACH? WELL YEAH, WHY CAN'T WE JUST PUT A SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY IN THERE AND IF YOU WANT TO TRAVEL, IF YOU FIND THE NEED TO TRAVEL, YOU JUST GET THE BOARD.
YOU JUST READ THE BOARD AND LET THE BOARD APPROVE YOUR TRAVEL.
AND SO IT'S $14,000 IN THERE RIGHT NOW AND $3,000 WAS SPENT IN 2023 AND 500 SPENT IN 2024.
WE CAN JUST PUT THREE 3000 IN THERE.
MONITOR FUTURE BOARD MEMBERS ON ANY TRAINING THEY WANNA GO THROUGH AND WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.
AND IN TERMS OF THE SPECIAL APPROPRIATION OF THE ALLOCATIONS, CURRENTLY THERE'S A THOUSAND DOLLARS IN THERE AND SO I JUST NEED TO GIVE YOUR MAJORITY DIRECTION ON THAT.
HOW, HOW ADDRESS WHAT PAGE 51 DISCRE REDUCE IT TO TWO 50 EACH AND THEN WE CAN GIVE IT TO ANOTHER.
AL YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY IN A BUDGET AMENDMENT IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT COMES UP 500 DO WHAT? 500 AND YOU SAID I COULD COME GET SOME OF YOUR MONEY.
I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T GET THAT FOR THE RECORD.
LET'S JUST DO THE 500 TO BE DONE WITH MOVE ON, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.
THERE THERE IS SOME PRETTY STRICT GUIDELINES AROUND IT, SO IT'S, IT'S GOTTA BE RELEVANT SITUATION.
SO PAGE 42, YOU ASKED ABOUT THE OTHER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES FOR
THERE HAS NOT BEEN ANY EXPENDITURES FOR THAT LAST YEAR OR THIS YEAR SO FAR.
SO JUST TO REITERATE, SO PAGE 42 42, THE OTHER LINE, 71 OTHER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, $3,000.
WE HAVEN'T SPENT THAT IN AT LEAST TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO I WHAT IS IT FOR? WE DON'T KNOW.
THEY JUST, I THINK BRENDA JUST ADDED IT EVERY YEAR.
YEAH, WE DON'T KNOW AND WE EDIT THAT.
OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON TO PAGE 52.
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CHANNEL.SO WE GOT INTO A DISCUSSION ON THIS LAST YEAR WHEN WE STARTED OFF THIS YEAR.
SO THE PROTECTION DOES 24 7 PROGRAMMING OF ITS BROADCAST.
UM, COLLEEN, HOW MANY MEETINGS ANNUALLY? WE HAVE A 75 MEETING PACKAGE.
THAT INCLUDES SPECIAL CALLS AND WORK SESSIONS.
SO WE, WE BROADCAST IN AN ANALOG SIGNAL TO OPTIMUM.
THEN WE'VE ALSO ANOTHER, UM, CONSULTANT FOR THIS TO HAVE A ROKU CHANNEL.
SO IF YOU DO NOT HAVE CABLE'S, TV AND OBVIOUSLY CORD, YOU CAN STILL LOOK AT THE, THE CHANNEL ON ROKU.
YOU CAN LOOK ON FACEBOOK TO SEE THE MEETINGS AND YOU CAN OF COURSE GO TO THE WEBSITE TV.
SO WE CURRENTLY GET ABOUT $25,000 IN ALLOCATIONS FROM THE STATE FOR PEG CHANNEL.
UM, SO MY FIRST QUESTION IS, THERE'S A DESIRE TO CONTINUE WITH PEG CHANNEL THAT THAT'LL BE THE FIRST QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU.
GUESS THAT QUESTION WOULD BE THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT UPGRADING, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER WE'RE BROADCASTING ON A FAKE CHANNEL OR NOT, HOW MUCH OF THAT EQUIPMENT DO WE NEED TO BROADCAST ON GO THROUGH OR FACEBOOK OR YOUTUBE OR WHEREVER WE'RE GETTING TO? THERE ARE ABOUT A DOZEN PIECES OF EQUIPMENT IN THE RACK IN THE PEG ROOM.
GETTING RID OF THE PIPE CHANNEL ONLY ELIMINATES ONE OF THEM, WHICH IS THE TRANSMITTER WE USE TO SEND THE SIGNAL TOP ONE.
WE COULD STILL NEED THE REMAINDER OF THEM TO PUSH THAT SIGNAL OUT TO FACEBOOK AND TO OUR WEBSITE.
SO WE GET PROBABLY MORE REVENUE BACK FROM HAVING THAT ONE SLOT IN THAT MIXER.
THAT WE WOULD HAVE HAD ANYWAY.
SO WE KIND OF PUT OUR NOSE OFF TO SPITE OUR FACE.
IF WE SAID KEEP YOUR REVENUE, WE'RE STILL HAVING TO SPEND MONEY ON EQUIPMENT TO BROADCAST.
SO THE NEXT THING IS ON ON, ON THE PROPOSED EQUIPMENT UPGRADE.
YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT INCLUDES.
UM, SO OUR ANALOG SYSTEM IS REALLY SIMILAR TO, UH, THE INCEPTION OF TELEVISION IN THE 1950S.
UM, DIGITAL TELEVISION IS REALLY THE FIRST MAJOR UPGRADE TO TV IN THE LAST 25 YEARS.
AND WE ARE PROPOSING AND UPGRADE TO DIGITAL ANALOG SIGNAL TAKES A LOT OF BANDWIDTH.
IT'S VERY SUSCEPTIBLE TO INTERFERENCE, VERY SUSCEPTIBLE TO OTHER ELECTRONIC NOISE.
DIGITAL IS A SMALLER BANDWIDTH.
IT'S MORE OF A NEW NETWORK SIGNAL, SO WE WON'T HAVE NEARLY AS MUCH CABLING UM, EACH YEAR.
UH, I HAVE TO AT SOME POINT OR ANOTHER REPLACE A, A CABLE THAT'S BEEN PRINT OR NO LONGER WORKS OR A SIGNAL, UM, IS INTERMITTED, UH, PROVIDE US MORE NETWORK SIGNAL VERSUS PLUGGING IN A BUNCH OF CABLES TO THE BACK OF MACHINES.
UM, THIS IS ALSO A PROJECT TO IMPLEMENT CLOSED CAPTIONING, WHICH IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE FCC AND THE A DA.
UNFORTUNATELY WE CAN'T SELECT ONE OR THE OTHER BECAUSE WE CAN'T IMPLEMENT CLOSED CAPTIONING WITH OUR CURRENT SETUP.
SO THAT'S WHY THE PROJECT IS MARRIED THIS YEAR, UH, INTO A $67,000 UPGRADE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
SO IF WE DO NOT UPGRADE, ARE WE IN RISK CASH? UH, NOT IMPLEMENTING THOSE CAPTIONING COULD, COULD HURT US SINCE IT'S OPTING OUT OF CLOSED CAPTIONING.
WE DO NOT NEED THE UPGRADE IN ORDER FOR THE CHANNEL TO CONTINUE IN ANALOG.
WHAT ABOUT IF YOU LOOK AT CONTRACTING WITH SOMEONE, WHERE, WHERE DOES THAT COME IN? HOW DO THAT INTERACT WITH WHAT WE HAVE GOING ON? SO DURING A BUDGET IN THIS YEAR, MACKENZIE, YOU, YOU, YOU MADE A COMMENT ABOUT THAT.
SO, UM, I SPOKE TO ONE, ONE ENTITY THAT DOES THIS AND WE TALKED A COUPLE TIMES AND THEN THEY WANTED TO COME IN AND LOOK AT THE EQUIPMENT.
SO I TURNED IT OVER TO COL AND THEY, THEY HAD MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS BACK AND FORTH.
I THINK THE MOST RECENT CONVERSATION THAT, THAT YOU, YOU ALL HAD WITHIN, WITHIN THE LAST WEEK OR SO.
AND WE, WE'VE ASKED FOR A QUOTE TO SEE WHAT IT WOULD CALL TO BROADCAST AND A NUMBER OF, OF UH, OF UH, MEETINGS THAT WE, WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.
AND WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANY QUOTES.
WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE'D BE A SAVINGS OR NOT.
IN THE MEANTIME, COL REACHED OUT TO ANOTHER, UH, FIRM THAT DOES THIS AS WELL.
THEY WOULD NOT GIVE PRICE BECAUSE THEY SAID THEY COULDN'T BEAT THE PRICE CURRENTLY.
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THEY COULDN'T MEET THE PRICE.SO, SO ONE OF THE OTHER VENDORS HAS JUST BEEN NONRESPONSIVE, DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE AND THAT THAT VENDOR DOES THE COUNTY AND A FEW OTHER, UM, GROUPS.
WE, WE JUST HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET PRICING ON THAT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'LL BE SAVINGS OR NOT.
HE SENT ME A TEXT BUT HE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING.
SO MAYBE HE'LL REACH OUT TO YOU OR CARLENE MAY LATER ON.
YEAH, I THINK WE WERE, I THINK, UH, THE LAST COMMUNICATION YOU HAD YESTERDAY.
FROM THE COUNTY THAT THEY HAVE TO DO THINGS STILL.
THEY DO, THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT THEY STILL HAVE TO DO.
SO YOU STILL, THEY STILL HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY THERE.
YEAH, THEY, THEY HAVE STAFF THAT IS THERE BASICALLY I GUESS THIS SWITCHING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THEN WHEN THE MEETING IS OVER WITH OR WHATNOT, SOME PERSON GRABS THAT INFORMATION AND TAKES IT BACK TO THE STATION.
BUT I'M, I'M ALWAYS OPEN TO HEAR QUOTES AND RECOMMENDATIONS FROM PEOPLE ON THE OUTSIDE AND SO, AND SO WE ASKED INDIVIDUALLY FOR QUOTE, WE CAN DO A, UM, AN RFP AND SEE IF ANYONE RESPONDS TO THAT.
AND, AND WE REALLY HAVE TO DO THAT ANYWAY WITH THIS TYPE OF THING BECAUSE WE DUNNO WHAT THE COST WOULD, BUT WE TRIED TO JUST HAVE ONE-ON-ONE CONVERSATIONS WITH A FEW FOLKS.
SO, AND WE CAN LOOK AT DOING THAT IN THIS COMING BUDGET YEAR.
AND I THINK THE BIG THING IS, UM, WITH, WITH THE CAPITAL REQUEST OF 60, THAT'S $7,000.
IS THERE SOMETHING THAT BILL ON OR WE CAN DOWN THE ROAD, LET'S GIVE THIS PERSON, UH, I SEND OUT THE UH, IFPI SEE BY FRIDAY.
IF WE HAVE HEARD FROM THE GO FROM THERE IS THE EQUIPMENT, HOW IS THE EQUIPMENT UPGRADE? WOULD IT AFFECT THE QUALITY ON FACEBOOK? WOULD IT BE CLEAR PICTURE? ABSOLUTELY.
UM, SO I HAVE A LIST OF THEM WE SEE FROM THIS UPGRADE.
SO WE WOULD HAVE A HIGH DEFINITION PICTURE ACROSS THE WEBSITE AND ALSO SOCIAL MEDIA.
EACH OF THOSE SOCIAL PLATFORMS WE WOULD SEE THE 16 BY NINE ASPECT RATIO.
SO WE WOULD MOVE TO WIDE SCREEN, WHICH IS WHAT MOST PEOPLE ARE WATCHING TV IN.
UH, VERSUS THE FOUR BY THREE THAT WE'RE IN NOW, WE WOULD HAVE UPGRADED AGENDA AND SPEAKER TITLE GRAPHICS, WHICH ARE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN.
I KNOW YOU'RE IN THE MEETING SO YOU MIGHT NOT GET A CHANCE TO WATCH IT.
BUT ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS SWAG DOES IS THEY BOOKMARK OUR AGENDA.
SO WHEN YOU MOVE TO A NEW AGENDA THAT'S NOT ONLY PUT AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN, OH WE'RE ON AGENDA ITEM 10.
NOW WHEN YOU GO BACK AND WATCH THE VIDEO, IF YOU'RE ONLY INTERESTED IN AGENDA ITEM 10, YOU CAN CLICK ON THAT AGENDA ITEM AND THE VIDEO GOES RIGHT TO IT, WHICH IS VERY NICE.
UM, AND I GET A LOT OF FEEDBACK ON THAT.
PEOPLE ENJOY YOU NO LONGER HAVE TO WATCH TWO HOURS OF MEETING AND SCROLLING BACK AND FORTH IN THE VIDEO TO FIND OUT WHICH AGENDA YOU'RE ON.
WE WOULD GET A NEW THREE YEAR WARRANTY ON OUR BROADCAST SYSTEM AS A RESULT.
AND AS I SPOKE TO YOU BEFORE ON THE NETWORKING VERSUS A LOT OF THE CABLING WE'RE DOING NOW, WE HAVE A LOT MORE RELIABILITY SIGNAL, LOT MORE NETWORK VERSUS CABLE.
HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY BECAUSE, UH, CABLE A LOT IN MY, IN MY, AT MY CLUB AND I'M JUST IN MY MIND PEOPLE GREAT QUESTION WITH THE CABLE, WE HAD NO WAY OF KNOWING EVEN THOUGH CO TRIED TO REACH OUT THAT INFORMATION FROM, FROM SUNLIGHT.
WHEN I, THEY CHANGED TO ALTICE, I TRIED WITH ALTICE, UH, WITH OPTIMUM I'VE TRIED AS WELL SINCE WE ARE A NON-REVENUE GENERATING CHANNEL FOR THE CABLE STATIONS, THEY DON'T MEASURE OUR AUDIENCES.
SO THEY'VE RECOMMENDED THAT I GO TO THE NIELSEN RATING SYSTEM AND, AND PAY FOR THEM TO QUERY OUR AUDIENCE OF 15,000 MEMBERS, UM, TO SEE WHAT THEIR VIEWING HABITS ARE.
SO WE, SO WE CAN TRACK ON ROKU AND OF COURSE WE SEE IT ON FACEBOOK, THE ANALYTICS THAT, SO I THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY THAT AND WE CAN TRACK ON YOUTUBE AS WELL.
FACEBOOK, I THINK STILL THE MOST POPULAR FORMAT TO VIEW HAS COME DOWN THE PAST YEAR OR SO.
UM, AND I DON'T QUITE KNOW THE REASON FOR THAT, BUT YEAH, THE LAST, GOSH, AT LEAST SIX MONTHS WE'RE WE'RE AT MEETINGS.
WE MUST NEED SOMETHING MORE EXCITING ON THE AGENDA.
IT'S CONTROVERSY WE'RE BORING IN OTHER WORDS.
YEAH, SO, YOU KNOW, BETTER, BETTER PROGRAM.
YOU'RE DOING EVERYTHING RIGHT.
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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON? ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO TECHNOLOGY AND STARTS ON PAGE 54.SO OUR TECHNOLOGY DEPARTMENT, THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR ING, NETWORKING, TELEPHONE, CYBERSECURITY, VIDEO ON RELATED SYSTEMS. AND SO THAT BUDGET RECOMMENDED BUDGET TWO EARN YOU LET YOU COME HERE.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, THIS BUDGET, HE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY SPECIFICS YOU MAY HAVE.
WELL, HE'S WALKING OUT GET FROM THE BOARD.
SO IT'S, IT'S 10 MINUTES COURT.
UM, AND WE HAVE SEVERAL MORE DEPARTMENTS TO GO THROUGH.
I KNOW IF THERE'S MORE EXPEDITIOUS WAY, IF THERE'S NOT ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT A PARTICULAR DEPARTMENT, YOU WANNA SKIP OVER IT.
UM, SO I'M ASKING THE BOARD WHATEVER DIRECTION WANTS TO BE.
SO, UM, MY, MY CONCERN IS THE BOARD TO BE GOING THROUGH LINE ITEM THAT'S NOT REALLY OUR FUNCTION.
UM, CITY MANAGER HAS PROPOSED TAX RATE, LIKE UNDERSTAND WHERE THE BOARD IS AT WITH REGARDS TO THAT.
UM, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE 3 CENT INCREASE.
I KNOW I COME THROUGH THIS BUDGET DOCUMENT TO KIND OF LOOK IN GENERAL TERMS AT EACH OF THE DEPARTMENTS TO SEE, UM, HOW MUCH OF AN INCREASE, UH, OR DECREASE.
UM, THERE HAS BEEN THIS PROPOSED BUDGET VERSUS THE CURRENT BUDGET, UH, IS NOT MUCH OF THE, OF AN INCREASE.
UM, I, AGAIN, I, I'D KIND OF LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE RATHER THAN JUST CONTINUING TO PLOW THIS AND, YOU KNOW, COUPLE THOUSAND HERE.
I RATHER NOT TRY TO GET AN IDEA FROM THE BOARD AND THEN JUST WORK BACKWARDS.
WE CAN ALWAYS SAY, WELL WE'RE LOOKING, YOU KNOW, 3% DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, TWO AND A HALF OR TWO, WHAT'S THAT DOLLAR TERMS? AND THEN IF ANYBODY HAS ANY SPECIFIC ITEMS, OKAY, I, I'LL, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF 3 CENT TAX INCREASE.
I'M NOT VOTING FOR ANY BUDGET WITH A TAX INCREASE.
IF YOU WANT SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO SAVE THAT.
UM, THERE'S A LIST HERE OF 1, 2, 3.
THERE'S SIX POSITIONS IN THE GENERAL FUND THAT'S BEEN VACANT, UH, FOR SIX MONTHS OR GREATER.
SO THERE'S, AND I'VE GOT, IF YOU GO THROUGH IT THAT WAY, UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I SEE I'M NOT IN FAVOR.
YOU'VE GOT WRITTEN HERE, AVALOR TAX, UH, HAS GONE UP, UH, 4.7% INCREASE, WHICH PROVIDES AN ADDITIONAL $845,000 BASED OFF OF OUR GROWTH AND YOUR SALES TAX.
YOU'RE BRINGING IN 345 EXTRA IN REVENUE.
UM, THOSE $2 AMOUNTS, UM, THROW THAT ON TOP OF WHAT LAST YEAR'S BUDGET WAS AND I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
BUT ANYTHING THAT, I'M NOT ANYBODY ELSE PRETTY MUCH WITH THE MAYOR.
I'M BASED ON THE INFORMATION YOU GUYS, THEY SERVED.
UM, WHERE DOES THAT PUT US BUDGET WISE, KIM? IF YOU DON'T APPROVE THE TAX.
THEN WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND CUT 1.5 MILLION STARTING.
AND SO, UM, MAYOR, I DO WANNA ADDRESS YOUR, YOUR COMMENT ON THE VACANCIES.
UM, WE HAVE COPIES OF THIS, SORRY.
SO WE HAVE, UH, CITY OF NEW VACANCIES AS OF MAY 20TH.
SO YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE POSITION, THE DATE, THE ATED, UH, THEIR GRADE IN THE DEPARTMENT AND THAT THERE GENERAL FUND, FUND, WATER FUND, AND ELECTRIC FUND.
AND SO, AND I, I THINK I'M GONNA BASICALLY ADDRESS THE ONES ON THE BOTTOM.
'CAUSE WE, WE CONSISTENTLY HAVE A ROLLOVER OF TELECOMMUNICATORS
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AND POLICE OFFICERS.AND, AND, AND SO EACH OF THOSE POSITIONS HAVE A POSITION NUMBER.
AND SO WHETHER OR NOT HR PLUGS SOMEONE INTO A CERTAIN POSITION NUMBER OR NOT, DEPENDS ON, ON HOW LONG THAT HAS BEEN TAKEN.
BUT THERE ARE CURRENTLY FOUR POLICE OFFICER POSITIONS AVAILABLE RETAIL COMMUNICATORS.
BUT I THINK THAT THE, THE, DEFINITELY THE FIVE, I THINK YOU'RE REFERRING FIVE AT THE BOTTOM, THE COMMUNITY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND THE PARKS AND RECREATIONAL ARE THOSE ONES.
UH, WHAT WAS ONES THAT HIGHLIGHTED ALL ARE 2023.
SO, AND SO I'M, I'M DEFINITELY GONNA ADDRESS, UH, THE ONES ON THE BOTTOM HERE AS WELL.
SO, COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT POSITION THAT, THAT POSITION WAS VACATED IN ON DECEMBER 9TH WHEN WE DID OPEN THAT UP.
I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD ANY CANDIDATES THAT REALLY FIT OUR BILL, UH, IN THAT TIME.
AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING IS NOT FILLING THAT POSITION.
AND WE'D LIKE TO USE SOME OF THOSE FUNDS TO CONTRACT WITH, UH, A COMPANY THAT CAN HELP US IN TERMS OF REACHING OUT TO DEVELOPERS, UH, TO HELP, HELP PUSH, UM, NEWIN AS A PLACE TO OPEN THEIR BUSINESSES.
UM, WITH THE SPECIAL PROJECT COORDINATOR AND THE TWO RECREATION PROGRAM COORDINATORS, UM, THAT DAYS HAVE NOT BEEN FILLED.
AND THEN THE CLASSIFICATION PLAN WAS TO CHANGE THOSE TITLES, UH, APPROPRIATELY TO BE SPECIFICALLY TOWARD THE STANLEY WHITE RECREATION CENTER.
'CAUSE WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE STAFF THERE.
WE DID NOT INCLUDE ADDITIONAL STAFF, ANY NEW STAFF.
AND SO WE'RE BASICALLY REALLOCATING POSITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN VACANT TO WORK AT WITH THAT FACILITY.
UM, PARKS MAINTENANCE TECHNICIAN.
AND I CAN'T TELL YOU WHY THAT POSITION HAS BEEN VACANT SINCE JANUARY.
UM, I, IF THEY HAVE Y'ALL PROMOTED, HAVE Y'ALL ADVERTISE THAT POSITION? WE HAVE.
I'VE INTERVIEWED SEVERAL PEOPLE.
UH, WE HAD SELECTED A CANDIDATE AND THAT DID NOT COME TO FRUITION.
UM, AND WE'VE MADE SEVERAL CALLS FOR INTERVIEWS AND PEOPLE EITHER DON'T CALL US BACK OR DON'T SHOW UP FOR
SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.
AND SO AND SO, YES, MAYOR TO, TO SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS TELECOMMUNICATORS.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE HAD TWO TELECOMMUNICATORS THAT ENDED OUT FOR SINCE 2023.
WE HAD TWO THAT WENT THROUGH TRAINING AND SIMPLY COULD NOT, UH, UH, SUCCESSFULLY PASS OUR, OUR FIELD TRAINING.
AND SO WHEN WE ADDED TELECOMMUNICATORS A COUPLE YEARS AGO, DIDN'T WE? NO MA'AM.
WE, WE'VE NOT ADDED ANY ADDITIONAL TELECOMMUNICATOR POSITIONS.
I'M PRETTY SURE IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN BEFORE YOU GOT HERE.
I'M PRETTY SURE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, WE HAVE NOT.
SO YOU'VE OPERATED FINE WITHOUT THESE TWO POSITIONS? NO, WE'VE NOT OPERATED FINE WITHOUT THEM.
WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN SHORT ON EVERY SHIFT, EVERY DAY.
WHAT WE DO NOT HAVE, NOT A SINGLE ONE OF OUR TELECOMMUNICATOR SHIFTS HAVE A FULL COMPLEMENT.
TELECOMMUNICATORS, WE RUN THROUGH EVERY DAY.
HOW MANY DO YOU TYPICALLY HAVE ON DUTY? HOW MANY DO YOU, ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO HAVE ON DUTY? FOUR, ONE SUPERVISOR AND THREE TELECOMMUNICATORS? DON'T YOU, DON'T YOU GUYS REMEMBER WE ADDED, THAT'S BEEN A WHILE TIME WE DID.
I THINK IT, IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN A FEW YEARS BACK.
YEAH, IT WAS THE PREVIOUS BOARD.
I I THINK IT WAS A SUGGESTION AFTER THE IS S GRADING, WASN'T IT? MM-HMM.
I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK BACK AT OUR POPULATION, IT IS WHAT IT IS.
I KNOW THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT DON'T AGREE WITH THAT NUMBER, BUT OUR POPULATION HASN'T CHANGED A GREAT DEAL.
AND WE WENT FROM 479 EMPLOYEES, I THINK, TO 501 IN THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS.
AND I KNOW ONE OF THEM WAS, WE HAD A REQUIREMENT OVER AT THURMAN ROAD THAT WAS WHAT, FIVE OR SIX? AND THEN WE ADDED THE, UM, TELECOMMUNICATORS.
I THOUGHT IT WAS THE SAME YEAR THAT WE DID THAT.
HE WAS FINE WITH THE PROPOSED BUDGET.
UH, ALDERMAN BRISSON WAS NOT, I WAS NOT.
HOW ABOUT ANY DIRECTION? WELL, I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK IF YOU, YOU'RE AT THE POINT THAT YOU EITHER HAVE TO RAISE TAXES OR CUT SERVICES.
SO WHICH SERVICE DO YOU WANT TO CUT? YEAH, I AGREE.
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EVERYTHING'S GONE UP.I MEAN, YOU PAY FOR YOUR HOME, YOUR GROCERIES, YOUR GASOLINE, EVERYTHING.
BUT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT EXCLUDED FROM THAT.
WE STILL HAVE TO PAY THE SAME PRICE.
I MEAN, HIGHER PRICES FOR GASOLINE.
AND I, I HEARD, UM, I HEARD, UH, UM, JORDAN, THANK YOU.
I HEARD JORDAN TALKING ABOUT THE PRICE OF THE CHEMICALS TO TREAT THE WATER AS DOUBLED AND IN SOME CASES TRIPLED.
BUT I, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO GET IT DOWN AS LOW AS POSSIBLE.
UH, I MEAN, I HATE, I HATE LOOKING AT 3 CENTS PLUS RAISING THE TRASH, YOU KNOW, PICK UP RAISING THE, UM, THE CAR REGISTRATION AND STUFF.
EVERYTHING IS GOING UP AND, UM, BUT THERE COMES A BREAKING POINT FOR US AS WELL THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER WHICH DIRECTION ARE WE GOING AND HOW ARE WE GONNA DO IT.
UM, WE JUST SIT DOWN AND JUST TALK WITH THE CITIZENS AND LET THEM KNOW WHAT WE EVER IS AND WHAT ARE THEY WILLING TO DO TO HELP US HELP TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE.
I MEAN, IT, IT'S JUST BRINGING EVERYBODY TOGETHER.
I, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENED FOR THE SIX MONTHS ON SOME OF THIS? HOW WOULD THAT HELP? I, HE SAID SIX MONTH FREEZE.
WELL, SOME OF THESE POSITIONS THAT HAVE CURRENTLY BEEN VACANT SINCE 21.
WELL, WELL HERE, HERE'S AN ISSUE.
SO LAST YEAR, HOW MUCH DO WE APPROPRIATE FROM GENERAL FUNDS BUDGET, BALANCE, BALANCE, $4 MILLION? BECAUSE THAT WAS PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF THE SALARY.
AND FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, COMMUNITY ACCOUNT DEVELOPMENT MANAGEMENT POSITION TO VACANT FOR SIX MONTHS, SO YOU BUDGETED FOR THAT TOOK MONEY OUT OF FUND BALANCE RESERVES TO BALANCE THE BUDGET BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE GONNA TRY AND PUT HALF OF THAT BACK IN THERE BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD A POSITION TO FILL FOR HALF A YEAR.
SO HOW MUCH ARE WE ACTUALLY GONNA END UP TAKING OUTTA BALANCE THIS YEAR WHEN IT'S ALL SAID DONE? DO YOU HAVE A PROJECTION ON THAT? I, I DO NOT HAVE A PROJECTION THAT JUST YET.
WE JUST, UM, WENT THROUGH OUR YEAR END, UM, PROCESSES OF CLOSING AND, AND LOOKING AND ADDING THE PO THAT THEY NEED.
SO, UM, WE PLAN TO DO THAT BUDGET.
THAT'S A HARD THING TO DO BECAUSE WITH ATTRITION AND TURNOVER, THAT 1.4 THAT WE HAD PLANNED ON TAKING OUT A GENERAL FUND, WE MIGHT NOT HAVE TAKEN ANYTHING WE'RE ASKED THIS YEAR TO DO THE SAME THING AGAIN WITH POTENTIAL TAX INCREASE.
THAT MAY NOT BE NECESSARY, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE GOVERNMENT BUDGET.
WELL, MAYOR, TO YOUR POINT, I WAS ASKING BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED, HOW MUCH MONEY SINCE WE JUST CLOSED OUT 2023, HOW MUCH OF THE BUDGET WENT BACK INTO THE GERMAN FUND? BECAUSE AT ONE TIME WE TALKED ABOUT TAKING THAT MONEY AND PUT IT INTO A CAPITAL PROJECT FUND.
AND SO THAT'S A DUE OUT THAT I'VE ASKED FOR AS WELL.
I'VE ASKED THE QUESTION, BUT, UM, WE CAN FIND OUT TOMORROW.
SO, BUT TO YOUR POINT, WE'RE LOOKING, LOOKING AT 24 25 BUDGET, BUT WE JUST CLOSED OUT THE 2223 BUDGET, YOU KNOW, SO YOU DON'T FIND OUT FOR ANOTHER SIX, EIGHT MONTHS AFTER THE FYI CLOSED AND UNTIL YOU DON'T FIND OUT HOW MUCH YOU STILL HAD UNTIL SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS AFTER THE FFY CLOSED.
AND ANOTHER THING, I MEAN, MOST OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS BY NOW HAD FINISHED PURCHASING WHAT THEY BUDGETED FOR, WOULDN'T YOU GUESS? MAJORITY IF THEY HADN'T, IF THEY HADN'T, THEY, UNLESS THERE'S AN EMERGENCY.
THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN, I GOT SOME MONEY LEFT OVER ON IT, FIVE ITEM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, MAYBE WE OUGHT TO, UM, STOP.
AND, AND HARTMAN USED TO DO THAT TO US ALL THE TIME.
HE, HE WOULD STOP US FROM WRITING ANY PURCHASE ORDERS UNLESS IT WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY MANAGER AND FINDING THREATS AT THIS TIME OF THE YEAR.
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FUNDS LEFT OVER.WE JUST WENT THROUGH, AND I HATE SAYING THAT IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS, I REALLY DO, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT A, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF SUPPORT HERE TO DO A, A 3 CENT TAX HIKE.
UM, AND ESPECIALLY ON TOP OF A REEVALUATION THAT WE JUST HAD.
SO IT'S GOT TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE.
BUT THEN AGAIN, YOU, I'LL SAY IT, YOU EITHER HAVE TO RAISE TAXES OR CUT SERVICES.
UH, SOMEBODY TELL ME WHAT THEY WANT SERVICE, THEY WANT CUT OUT.
WELL, YOU CAN, IT MIGHT NOT BE FUN, BUT YOU CAN CUT 'EM.
I MEAN, CUT OUT ANIMAL CONTROL.
IF YOU WANT TO CUT ANIMAL CONTROL OUT, CUT OUT ROADSIDE PICKUP STUFF, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, YOU YOU CAN CUT IT OFF.
YEAH, I, I'VE, I'VE HEARD THAT, I HEARD THAT ARGUMENT BACK IN 14 AND IN THOUSAND 14 AND 15, WE CUT 2 MILLION.
WELL, LET'S GETTING MORE EFFICIENT THEN.
WELL, I CERTAINLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE US CONTINUE TO SEE WHAT WE CAN TRIM.
YOU'RE TRIMMING PENNIES RIGHT NOW THOUGH.
APPRECIATE, AND WE WENT THROUGH, JUST AS I TALKED ABOUT, WE WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS THIS YEAR.
WE, WE HAVE CUT QUITE A BIT AND, AND MAYOR, TO YOUR POINT BACK IN 2014, WE'VE HAD MANY CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS OVER, OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS.
THIS CITY HAS GOTTEN QUITE LAND.
SO SORRY, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF FAT ON THIS BONE IN THIS.
WE NEED TO SEE HOW WE CAN MINIMIZE AS WELL AS POSSIBLE.
NOT AGAIN, IF SOMEBODY SAID IT NOT PERCENT, THEN HOW WE CAN HOLD THE LINE AT ANOTHER NUMBER.
MANY ARE YOUR EMPLOYEES AND YOU'RE GONNA BE RIGHT BACK IN THE SAME BOAT YOU WERE IN LAST YEAR WHEN THE EMPLOYEES WERE SUFFERING BEFORE.
I DUNNO WHETHER ANYBODY WHOLE BUNCH OF, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE ELECTRIC UTILITY, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT DON'T SEE HAPPEN.
CITY WAGE, THE, THE EARLY TEEN YEARS THAT BASED ON THE BUDGET OF WHAT LOOKS TO BE, YOU KNOW, UM, WHAT WAS BEING CHARGED FOR, THE RATES WERE TOO HIGH.
SO IN THE MID TEEN YEARS, UM, THERE WERE A SERIES OF THE PREVIOUS BOARDS APPROVED.
NOW WE ARE FACED WITH HAVING TO MAKE RATHER SIGNIFICANT RATE INCREASE OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS.
AND THE OUTSIDE CONSULTANT THAT WE SERIOUSLY HAVE INCREASES LIKE FIVE, 7-YEAR-OLD.
SO DO YOU, DO WE WANT TO SET OURSELVES UP AND SET FUTURE BOARDS UP BY NO TAX INCREASE AND THEN NEXT YEAR'S BOARD IS GONNA BE FACED WITH THE SAME ISSUE.
PROBABLY MORE CHALLENGING ISSUES.
SAME ARGUMENTS ARE GONNA BE MADE, BUT WE DON'T WANT A TAX RATE INCREASE.
UM, KICKING A CAN DOWN THE ROAD, UH, AND A FUTURE BOARD IS GONNA HAVE TO, UM, APPROVE A MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT RATE INCREASE BECAUSE WE PREVIOUS BOARD JUST REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT COST INCREASE.
AND WE NEED TO, I, I ARGUE EVERY YEAR ABOUT INCREMENTAL INCREASES AND I DON'T, I, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND WHY I CAN'T CONVINCE THE VALUE OF INCREMENTAL INCREASES EVERY YEAR.
THAT'S WHAT THE CONSULTANT IS NOW RECOMMENDED TO POSSIBLY ELECTRIC.
WELL, I'LL BE PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT TOMORROW, BUT THERE'S ALSO A LOT.
ALRIGHT, REGARDING GENERAL FUND.
ANY, ANY, I'VE HEARD A LOT OF THINGS ON THIS.
CAN I GET A CONSOLIDATED DIRECTION ON ON WHAT YOU'D LIKE FOR US TO LOOK AT? WELL,
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UH, I GUESS THE QUESTION FOR EVERYBODY DOES, UH, IS DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY SIGNIFICANT RECOMMENDATIONS IN TERMS OF CUT TO BE MADE IN ANY THAT WE COULD TALK ABOUT? AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FIVE'S BE SIGNIFICANT IF WE'RE THOUSAND UP TO $1 BILLION IN COSTS.HOW MUCH WAS THE COLA COLA FOR GENERAL FUND ENDED UP BEING OVER HALF MILLION DOLLARS.
SO NO TAX INCREASE AT ALL OR NOT? NO, NO INCREASE AT ALL IN WAGES.
WE'VE GONE UP HOW MUCH IN THE PAST 18 MONTHS IN TERMS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE CASE STUDY COLA AND MERIT STUDY? YEAH, THE COLA AND THE MERIT.
3% LAST YEAR ON COLA AND 2% ON MERIT.
SOME OF THAT VARY BASED OFF WHERE PEOPLE WERE IN THE VANS.
RIGHT? SO SOME PEOPLE COULD HAVE GOT A 15% INCREASE.
AND ALL THAT'S BEEN FIXED WITH THE CASE STUDY AS OF THE TIME THAT THE PAY STUDY WAS COMPLETED.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD GO IN ANOTHER DIRECTION.
I MEAN I THINK THE MANAGER'S OPEN FOR SUGGESTIONS.
IF YOU GOT ANYTHING YOU ABOUT, GOOD TO HEAR YOU AND, AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALWAYS GONNA BE ADDRESSING, DEALING WITH A SALARY DEAL.
COUNTY'S GETTING READY TO GO TO A SALARY STUDY RIGHT NOW.
WHO IS THE COUNTY? UM, YOU KNOW, ALWAYS OUR COMPETITORS ARE, ARE, ARE LOOKING AT DOING THAT.
SO WE ALWAYS HAVE TO REVISIT THAT.
THAT'S, THAT'S JUST PART OF DOING BUSINESS.
UM, BUT I'M GONNA GO BACK AGAIN.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO THREE SIX AND TAX INCREASE AND I THINK THAT WE'LL BE OKAY.
SO YOU GOT TWO FOR IT? TWO AGAINST IT ABOUT YOU TWO.
I'M NOT BREAKING THE TIME
I MEAN, I WOULD RATHER DO EVERYTHING WE COULD IN THIS BUDGET THAN RAISE TAXES.
BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD CUT THE STAFF, YOU KNOW, BACK, YOU KNOW, WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE THAT HARD DECISION.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, ZONE PUT THE FLIP FLOPS ZONE.
IS THERE ANOTHER AMOUNT WHEN IT COMES TO THE TAX RATE OTHER THAN 3 CENTS? SO ONE PENNY EQUALS BASICALLY $495,000.
WOULD THERE BE SUPPORT FOR A 2 CENT INCREASE? SOUND LIKE AN AUCTIONEER.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT TRYING TO GET THIS THING BALANCED, RIGHT? OKAY, SO 2 CENTS SEEMS LIKE IT, IT IT, IT MIGHT LOAD BECAUSE NEXT YEAR THIS PROCESS IS GONNA BE EVEN MORE DIFFICULT EACH YEAR.
AND WOULD THERE BE SUPPORT FOR 2 CENTS? I ONLY 2 CENTS TO ME YOU WERE WITH THREE.
WE'RE GETTING READY TO MAKE SOME, WE NEGOTIATE, WE'RE GETTING READY TO MAKE SOME CUTS.
AND THEN I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT UH, YES, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT DUES AND TRIPS, TRAIL AND TRAIN.
THAT'S NOT GONNA BE ENOUGH TO TO, TO MAKE IT WHAT WE NEED, BUT WE'RE GETTING READY TO TAKE A VERY HARD LOOK AT THE CAPITAL.
UH, AND SO THAT'S GONNA AFFECT THE DEPARTMENT CAPITAL IS NOT THAT MUCH OF THE PROBLEM THOUGH IS WELL THAT'S, THAT'S ALSO WHERE WE CAN HAVE A SAVINGS AND UH, YES.
I MEAN I, I KNOW EVERYONE WANTS IT ALL, BUT SOMETHING'S GOTTA GIVE HERE.
AND, AND I THINK THE LAST THING, THE LAST THING I WANT TO DO IS, IS JEOPARDIZE THE HUMAN CAPITAL PART OF THIS.
IF, IF, IF I GET DIRECTION AND THERE'S NO SUPPORT FOR COL, NO PROBLEM.
YOU TELL ME THE WORD AND THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO.
RE WOULD YOU RESTATE YOUR RECOMMENDATION FOR THAT? WOULD YOU SUPPORT A 2% INCREASE? WHICH MEANS BASICALLY PERCENT.
THAT OPPOSED? AND THAT WOULD BALANCE THE BUDGET.
WE, WE WOULD STILL HAVE CUTS TO MAKE, WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY HALF A MILLION AND WE DON'T
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BUDGET CENTS INCREASE.NOW THAT WAS STILL TAKE MONEY OUT.
SO YOU REALLY NEED 4 CENTS TO BALANCE THE BUDGET WITHOUT TAKING MONEY OUTTA.
AND THE THING IS, YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR, THIS YEAR THAT'S $2 MILLION OUT A FUND BALANCE.
NOW WE DO HAVE A, A HEALTHY FUND BALANCE, BUT THE UNRESTRICTED PART OF THAT FUND BALANCE IS 6.8, APPROXIMATELY $6.88 MILLION.
AND WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT SHRINK.
AND SO IT IS JUST LIKE, IT'S JUST LIKE IN YOUR OWN HOME IN FINANCES.
YOU DON'T WANT PAY FOR YOUR GROCERY BILL GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE.
I'M GONNA STICK WITH THE THREE SET.
I'M IN NEGOTIATION STAGE 2 CENTS RIGHT NOW.
I GO WITH THEM RIGHT DOWN GOING WITH TWO, GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE ON AS A, AS A POINT OF ORDER.
I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THIS DISCUSSION WITH OUR MISSING BOARD MEMBER SO THAT SHE'S ON THE RECORD HAVING MADE A DECISION.
SO AS IT SITS RIGHT NOW, YOU'VE GOT, I'VE HEARD THREE THAT ARE OKAY WITH A 3 CENT INCREASE AND I'M SURE YOU WOULD BE FINE WITH LESS THAN THAT IF THEY WERE ABLE TO WORK IT OUT, BUT THREE IS YOUR CAP.
I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING FROM ALL MASTER YET OTHER THAN HE WANTS TO SEE SOME IMPROVEMENT.
I WOULD RATHER WAIT TO SEE HOW MUCH WE CAN REDUCE THIS BUDGET BEFORE WE DISCUSS HOW MUCH OF A TAX INCREASE THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE.
I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF CUTTING OUT COAL OF OUR EMPLOYEES WHO NO, EVEN THOUGH THAT WOULD DO A PENNY RIGHT THERE A LITTLE BETTER THAN A PENNY THERE ARE THERE.
I JUST, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT AT ALL.
I MEAN I WOULD, I WOULD BE, I'D BE WILLING TO RAISE THE TAX RATE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP OUR EMPLOYEES, BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME OTHER WORK THAT CAN BE DONE.
I MEAN YOU GOT $348,000 WORTH OF GENERAL FUND POSITIONS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN FILLED, SOME OF THEM SINCE 21, RIGHT? MM-HMM,
THOSE ARE IN THE ENTERPRISE FUND.
AGAIN, DON'T FORGET, FORGET THOSE POSITIONS THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
THAT'S TO FUND STANLEY WHITE RECREATION CENTER.
AND ARE THEY FUNDED FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR? THE STAN CENTER'S NOT GONNA OPEN UNTIL THESE NO, THAT'S SIX MONTHS.
MONTHS OR PROBABLY SEVEN MONTHS SCHEDULED OPEN RIGHT? THE FIRST OF THE YEAR.
THE ONLY PLACE REALLY TO MAKE SOME MAJOR CUTS IF YOU DON'T ADD THE INCREASE IS CAPITAL AND PAYROLL.
NO, PAYROLL IS TWO THIRDS OF YOUR GENERAL FUND BUDGET AND WHEN YOU INCREASE IT, IT'S A, IT'S A COMPOUND INTEREST.
WELL, WELL, IF WE SAID WE WANT TO BUILD A HERE TO WEIGH IN ON THIS, THEN WE CAN CARRY IT OVER UNTIL TOMORROW.
WE'LL WE'LL BE TAKING THE GENERAL SIGN UP AGAIN FIRST THING TOMORROW OWED ME TOO FOR GETTING OFF THE, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE CAPITAL AGAIN, SO TO, TO ALMOND.
I DUNNO IF YOU'VE ALL HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THAT, BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THE OTHER GENERAL DEPARTMENTS? LET KNOW, WE'LL PICTURE THAT TOMORROW IF NOT, I'VE HEARD WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT DUE DESCRIPTIONS AND, UM, FEDERAL AND TRAINING.
WE GOT, WE GOT PLENTY OF TIME NOW.
UM, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE BRINGING IN $5 ON THE LICENSE TAG FEE NOW, AND THAT'S BASICALLY GETTING LOST IN THE
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SAKE OF HAVING A DISCUSSION.IF YOU TOOK THAT TO 30 THAT PROVIDES US, HOW MUCH MORE IS THAT $750,000? SEVEN $50,000 THEN COULD YOU, HOW, HOW WAS THE POWELL BILL RESTRICTION WITH THAT? CAN WE, I KNOW THAT HAS TO BE USED FOR THAT.
SO IS THERE ANY FLEXIBILITY IN THE GENERAL FUNDS TO WHERE YOU CAN USE SOME OF THOSE ADDITIONAL FUNDS TO COVER SOME OF YOUR GENERAL FUND GAP AND STILL STICK THROUGH TO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO? I DON'T THINK THERE IS THE POWELL BILL FUNDS WE'RE USING THAT FOR, FOR THOSE ITEMS THAT WE LEGALLY CAN USE.
IN MY STATUTE, I THINK THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE EARLIER ON REDUCTION, THE CURBSIDE PICKUP, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THAT'S NOT GENERAL FUND, THAT'S, SO MY, MY LAST QUESTION FROM NOW, CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME ONE MORE TIME, OFFICER, I ASKED YOU ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE THREE, IT SAYS OUR PROPERTY VALUATION IS 4.9 BILLION AND THAT IS PROVIDED US WITH AN ADDITIONAL EIGHT $45,000 IN REVENUE.
AND ON THE NEXT PAGE, THE ADDITIONAL 3% IN SALES TAX PROVIDED US AN ADDITIONAL 45 GO TO PAGE TWO IN YOUR HANDBOOK BUDGET SUMMARY HERE.
AND SO ON PAGE TWO YOU'LL SEE THE 2024 ADOPTED BUDGET, THAT 48 9.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA BE GOING LINE BY LINE ON SOME OF THESE SO YOU'LL GET A, GET A BETTER IDEA.
SO ON THE
THIS YEAR WE'RE ESTIMATING 20 MILLION.
NOW THAT INCLUDES THE 3 CENTS TAX AND IT ALSO INCLUDES THE ESTIMATED GROWTH OF $830,000.
NOW WHEN WE GET TO THE SALES TAX, HERE'S WHERE SOME THINGS CHANGE.
THE ESTIMATE, UH, FOR THIS CURRENT YEAR'S BUDGET WAS 11 SEVEN $50,000.
BASED ON WHAT WE'VE SEEN SO FAR WITH DISBURSEMENTS, IT'S ACTUALLY WE'RE GONNA COLLECT $11,300,000.
WE'RE STILL, WE'RE STILL PRETTY GOOD ON, ON OUR ESTIMATE FOR THIS YEAR OF $11.7 MILLION UNDER THE PROPOSED BUDGET.
THEN WHEN YOU COME DOWN TO PROCEEDS AND DEBT ISSUANCE LAST YEAR IN REVENUES, WE, WE LOOKED AT $3 MILLION IN REVENUES THIS YEAR BASED ON WHAT WE'RE PLANNING ON FINANCING, THAT'S ONLY $1.8 MILLION.
SO THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN THAT.
AND THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT FUND BALANCE APP, LAST YEAR WE, WE ALLOCATED 1.4 MILLION THIS YEAR WE'RE PROPOSING ALLOCATE FIVE $8,000.
SO YOU'VE GOTTA LOOK AT THE NUMBERS AS A WHOLE FOR THIS.
THERE THERE ARE SOME CHANGES, EVEN THOUGH VALOR TAXES AND STATE TAXES HAVE INCREASED, SOME OF THE OTHER NUMBERS HAVE CHANGED OR THE ESTIMATES FROM FROM THIS CURRENT YEAR ARE NOT, ARE, ARE NOT GOING TO COME TRUE.
SO IF WE, IF WE ALLOCATED APPROPRIATED ALMOST WHAT 1.4 MILLION LAST YEAR, THERE'S, IS THERE ANY INDICATOR THAT PROVIDES US, US HOW CLOSE WE'RE TO THAT NUMBER? I KNOW YOU CAN'T TELL US THE REAL NUMBER UNTIL YOU'RE BEING CLOSED OUT.
ANY TEA LEAVES THAT YOU CAN GIVE US ON THAT? I'M SAYING BECAUSE HERE'S MY FAULT, MY GUT TELLS ME IT'S GONNA BE FAR LESS THAN 1.4 MILLION.
OKAY, SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN WHY DON'T YOU JUST ALLOCATE THAT MUCH OUT OF GENERAL FUND BALANCE THIS YEAR TO BALANCE THE BUDGET, WHICH IS YOUR 3 CENTS AND HISTORY SHOWS THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA SPEND ALL THAT.
SO WE WOULD LOOK, BE LOOKING AT ALLOCATING $2 MILLION IN FUND BALANCE THE BALANCES.
I STILL THINK YOU NEED TO TYPE YOUR BILLS ON.
BUT, BUT BASICALLY WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT $2 MILLION TO, I I THINK YOU COULD DO IT AT 1.5.
BUT AGAIN, WHAT I SAY IS THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS START PULLING FROM OUR SAVINGS ACCOUNT.
THE, AND AND, AND TO YOUR POINT MAYOR, I DON'T
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KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA RETURN TO THE FUND BALANCE YET AND PROBABLY WON'T KNOW FOR A LITTLE BIT, BUT KIM MAY BE ABLE TO GET A DECENT ESTIMATE ON THAT 2023.WELL, BUT MAYOR, LEMME JUST CLOSE THIS QUESTION.
LAST YEAR WE APPROVED, WE APPROVED THE TAX, WE DID WHAT? AND THAT WAS WITH THE REVENUE NEUTRAL WAS AT 37.
WE ROUNDED UP, WE ROUNDED UP TO THE WHOLE PENNY RIGHT? MINUTIA.
UM, AND THAT RESULTED IN US HAVING TO USE THAT 1.4 BILLION I'LL, THAT, I'M NOT SURE HOW TO ASK IT, IT'S JUST, UH, I, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH IS THAT YOU MAINTAIN A, A SURPLUS, A HEALTHY SURPLUS HOPEFULLY.
UM, AND I PRAY THAT YOU DON'T NEED TO USE, UH, BUT YOU, YOU WANT TO HAVE A THING.
IF YOU START CHIPPING AWAY OF 1.4 MILLION, LAST 2 MILLION THIS YEAR, WHATEVER NUMBER GOD FORBID, TAXES, THE POPULATION UNDERSTANDS THAT TAXES NEED TO GO UP.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF HOW MAYBE I NEED TO HANG OUT WITH YOU SOME WITHDRAWAL.
I HAVEN'T FAILED THE FIRST CITIZEN YET HAS TOLD ME THEY'RE BEHIND.
THEY MAY NOT, THEY'RE NOT, HERE WE ARE.
AND THEY UNDERSTAND THAT WITH COST INCREASES AND WITH THEM WANTING TO HAVE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT THEY RECEIVE FROM THE CITY, THEY'VE GOTTA PAY FOR IT.
THEY MAY GRUMBLE ABOUT IT, BUT THEY UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR IT.
AND FOR US TO, AND EXCUSE THE USE OF MY LANGUAGE, PANDER TO THEM BY SAYING, OH, WE'RE NOT GONNA INCREASE TAXES.
WE'RE DOING THEM A DISSERVICE.
WE'RE DOING US A DISSERVICE AND WE'RE DOING THE STAFF SERVICE COST INCREASE.
WE NEED TO INCREASE TAXES TO SOME LEVEL TO OFFSET THOSE COSTS OR HAVE ALDERMAN INDICATED.
LET'S START TALKING ABOUT SERVICE LEVEL REDUCTIONS, STAFF REDUCTIONS, WHATEVER TO ACHIEVE NO TAX INCREASE.
MAYBE WHAT WE'RE PROVIDING IN SERVICES TO THE CITY IS TOO MUCH.
MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT TRIMMING THE TOTAL OFFERING THAT WE'RE MAKING TO THIS COMMUNITY.
SO WHAT DO WE WANT TO LOOK AT TRIMMING? WHAT SERVICES, WHAT PROGRAMS ARE WE WILLING TO CUT TO ACHIEVE THOSE FACTORS? I CLOSE THE REMARKS IS EVERYONE HAS TO SHARE THE BURDEN IN ORDER TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
IF YOU DO IT AT THE GAS PUMPS, YOU DO IT AT THE MARKET, WHY CAN'T YOU DO IT HERE? PUT THAT IN.
WHAT, WHAT ARE WHAT ARE YOU SAYING WHATCHA RECOMMENDING? WE HAVE TO DO THE TAX INCREASE.
WHERE EVERYBODY CAN SHARE THEIR BURDEN TOGETHER.
WHEN YOU GO TO THE SCHOOL TO SHOP FOR YOUR HOME, NO ONE GOES TO PAY.
WE HAVE A SERVICE THAT WE LEND TO THE PUBLIC.
THEY HAVE TO SHARE A PART OF THIS BURDEN ALONG WITH THE PRICES OF FOOD, THE PRICES OF GAS, JUST THE PRICE OF LIVING IN GENERAL.
UM, WHAT DO WE CHARGE FOR HEALTH INSURANCE FOR OUR EMPLOYEES? WE DO NOT CHARGE ANYTHING TO OUR EMPLOYEES THAT IS BENEFIT.
WE DO PASS ALONG A CHARGE TO THE SPOUSES AND THE DEPENDENTS OF THOSE EMPLOYEES.
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WHAT DO OUR BENCHMARK ACROSS THAT? I DON'T THINK IT TAKES IN CONSIDERATION OF THE SALARY STUDY.IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO WE DO HAVE SOME BENCHMARKING DOWN FROM WILSON COUNTY, MOOREHEAD CITY, HAVELOCK, JACKSONVILLE, STATESVILLE, KINSTON, BOROUGH WILSON, ROCKY MOUNT AND CRAVEN COUNTY AND TANYA.
UM, I YOU, YOU HAVE REALLY GONE, YOU KNOW BETTER THAN I DO.
WHY, WHY DON'T YOU COME UP? UM, SO IN TERMS OF EMPLOYEE CONTRIBUTIONS, WHAT, WHAT OUR, UM, OTHER CITIES ARE CHARGING VERSUS WHAT WE'RE WHY DON'T YOU COVER THAT? SO WE DID SOME SURVEYS AND SO DID GALLAGHER AND OUT OF THE 11 ENTITIES WE SURVEYED FROM MY OFFICE, FOUR OF DO NOT CHARGE ANY, UH, PREMIUMS OR IONS FOR EMPLOYEE COVERAGE.
THREE 11 DON'T CHARGE ANYTHING FOR EMPLOYEES IF THEY PARTICIPATE IN SOME TYPE OF BIOMETRIC SCREENING WELLNESS ACTIVITIES.
SO SEVEN OUTTA THE 11 DON'T CHARGE.
WHO ARE THE FOUR THAT, DO YOU KNOW THAT BY CHANCE? YES.
SO JACKSONVILLE DOES KINSON, GOLDSBOROUGH ROAD AND GREEN.
AND HOW MUCH DO THEY CHARGE? UH, LET'S SEE.
JACKSON FIELD CHARGING 52 32 BIWEEKLY.
KINSTON IS CHARGING 65 PER MONTH.
GOLDSBOROUGH, IT DEPENDS ON WHETHER YOU ARE A SMOKER OR A NON-SMOKER ARE.
SO IT IS $50 A MONTH IF YOU DON'T SMOKE $110 A MONTH IF YOU DO SMOKE.
AND THAT IS FOR WHERE THEY HAVE CO-INSURANCES, THE 80 20 PLAN.
BUT THEN FOR THE 70 30 PLAN, IF YOU DON'T SMOKE, IT'S $25 A MONTH AND $85 IF YOU DO SMOKE.
AND GREENVILLE, LET'S SEE, GREENVILLE ACTUALLY DEPENDS ON YOUR SALARY RANGE AS TO WHAT THEY CHARGE.
SO WITH GREENVILLE, IF YOU MAKE LESS THAN 32,278, NO, I'M SORRY, LESS THAN 30 2002 78 FOR THE, I'LL JUST GIVE YOU THE COURT PLAN.
THEY CHARGED 21 61 32, 278 TO 46, 950.
IF YOU MAKE 24 6,951 AND 61 623, IT GOES UP TO 28 0 7.
AND IF YOUR SALARY IS GREATER THAN 61 6 23, THEY CHARGE 32 40.
NOW IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE THE ENHANCED PLAN, BUT I WOULDN'T GO OVER THAT MACHINE.
THEIRS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT IS ACTUALLY, DEPENDING UPON WHAT YOUR SALARY RANGE IS.
SO IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WE COULD NOT START THAT UNTIL THE NEW PLAN YEAR, WHICH ALWAYS STARTS IN JANUARY OF EACH YEAR.
GIVE A 2% COLA AND THEN START CHARGING 'EM FOR YOUR INSURANCE.
YOU MIGHT AS WELL DO AWAY WITH THE DAMN GONE COLA IF YOU WANT.
NOT AN OPTION AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
HOW DOES ANYBODY ELSE FEEL ABOUT THAT? WHO KNOWS? IT'S HARD TO REALLY MAKE A DECISION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER WITHOUT REALLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE FINANCIAL IMPACT MIGHT BE AND WHAT LEVEL OF SAVINGS COULD POTENTIALLY BE ACHIEVED.
BUT, BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER TO YOU, RIGHT?
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I I, LISTEN, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO CHARGE OUR EMPLOYEES FOR INSURANCE.UH, AND JUST LIKE, I DON'T WANT TO GET DO AWAY WITH THEIR COAL.
I I THINK I, THIS IS, I DON'T WANT THE BURDEN WITH THIS PROBLEM.
I KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO KNOW OUTTA ALL DUE RESPECT TO OUR EMPLOYEES, ALL OF 'EM SITTING BEHIND ME AND THOSE THAT ARE GONNA WATCH THIS.
UM, WE IMPLEMENTED A FULL SALARY STUDY THAT DIDN'T TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION DURING THIS.
SO YOU CAN'T USE THE ARGUMENT THAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS AT A CERTAIN LEVEL AND WE'VE GOTTA BRING EVERYBODY UP TO THAT LEVEL WHEN YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE BIG PICTURE.
AND THE BIG PICTURE IS, IS YOU'VE GOT A NEIGHBORING CITY THAT'S CHARGING A HUNDRED A MONTH FOR INSURANCE, TRYING TO HELP PROVIDE YOU SOME DIRECTION.
SO I THINK YOU GOT FOUR PEOPLE THAT'S WILLING TO APPROVE A TAX INCREASE IS WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME.
IF YOU SHARPEN YOUR PENCIL AND TIGHTEN YOUR BELT A LITTLE BIT, SOME SAVINGS, SOME MORE SAVINGS HEARD.
NO, WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM ONE, BUT I DO KNOW THAT ALL INVEST IS A HUGE ADVOCATE OF OUR EMPLOYEES.
SO I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR HER, BUT SHE ALWAYS STANDS UP FOR HER FOR, BECAUSE SHE'S A FORMER EMPLOYEE.
FOSTER, DO WE KNOW AS BARBARA GONNA BE HERE TOMORROW? YES.
TELL ME SHE WAS GONNA COME AFTER, AFTER A PRESCHEDULED APPOINTMENT, I GUESS THAT LATE SHE WILL BE HERE TOMORROW.
IS IT TOO DIFFICULT TO GO BACK, SAY THE LAST FIVE OR SIX YEARS? SO THE SHEET THAT WE HAVE, UM, THE CITY OF NEW BERN STAFFING POSITION HISTORY REPORT, IS IT TOO DIFFICULT TO PROVIDE THAT GOING BACK PAST 2122? YOU KNOW THAT IT'S NOT MINE.
SO IF YOU COULD, IF YOU COULD PROVIDE THAT, I THINK IT WOULD BE ENLIGHTENING TO SEE THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES WE'VE HAD, HOW MANY WE HAVE NOW, AND THEN COMPARE THAT TO OUR POPULATION GROWTH.
AND AND LET ME ASK YOU, AND, AND THIS MAY HAVE ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED, WHAT, HOW MUCH POND WOULD IT BE TO GET THE AMOUNT OF MONEY? LET'S JUST SAY THAT WE FROZE EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW, OTHER THAN OUR OBLIGATIONS, HOW MUCH MONEY WOULD WE BE ABLE TO SAVE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS YEAR? IS THAT, IS THERE ANY WAY POSSIBLE THAT THAT CAN BE ESTIMATED? I MEAN THEY GOTTA PAY, WE GOTTA PAY, UM, ELECTRIC BILLS AND GAS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT UM, DO WE HAVE TO HAVE ALL OTHER THINGS THAT WEREN'T BUDGETED FOR THAT THEY'RE GOING THAT MIGHT BE USED THE REMAINDER OF THIS YEAR WITH, WE WANNA SHARE, WE WENT THROUGH OUR YEAR END CLOSING PROCESS OF PREPARATIONS AND ALL STAFF WERE ASKED TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THEY HAD CLOSE OUT THE POS THAT THEY HAVE NOT USED OR DON'T PLAN TO THOSE OPEN, UM, BLANKET POS, UM, ORDER THE NECESS THINGS THAT THEY KNOW THEY NEED AND THEY WERE REALLY GOOD STEWARDS OF OUR MONEY, OF YOUR MONEY BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T, UM, BLOW THE BUDGET OUTTA THE WATER.
THEY DIDN'T SPEND IT THAT WAY.
IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT IF IF IT'S NOT SOMETHING, DON'T GO OUT RIGHT NOW AND PURCHASE SOMETHING THAT YOU DID A BUNCH OF SUPPLIES, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT YOU'RE PLANNING ON USING FOR NEXT YEAR.
YOU DIDN'T USE IT FOR THE YEAR IT WAS INTENDED.
SO THEY REALLY, UM, UNDERSTOOD THEIR ASSIGNMENT AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE ABLE TO CLEAN UP THAT BUDGET FOR US AND NOT JUST GO MAKE PURCHASES BECAUSE THERE'S FUNDS LEFT IN THEIR BUDGETS.
SO THAT'S NOW THE NEXT STEP IS TO GO THROUGH AND SEE WHERE ARE WE AT? LET'S DO SOME COMPARISONS OTHER THAN EMERGENCY CONTRACTS THAT PUBLIC WORKS HAS OUT THERE.
UM, WE CAN TAKE A, WE CAN DEFINITELY TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
I JUST HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO DO SO.
I SEE IT, BUT EACH YEAR WHEN I CAME ON IT WAS LIKE 400 AND SOME EMPLOYEES AND EACH YEAR CONTINUE TO GROW AND INCREASE SO THAT THE COST WENT UP EACH TIME.
THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
I'M TALKING ABOUT, AND I DON'T KNOW, I I I'M JUST, IT IS ONLY BECAUSE I KNOW THIS ONE.
I I WAS TALKED ABOUT FIRE DEPARTMENT, FIRE SUPPRESSION, SUPPLIES, EVERYTHING THAT
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WAS BUDGETED FOR FIRE SUPPRESSION SUPPLIES IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET SHOULD HAVE BEEN PURCHASED FINANCIALLY.SO HOW MUCH MONEY'S LEFT OVER IN FIRE SUPPRESSION SUPPLIES THAT TRADITIONALLY, OR IN THE PAST I CAN SAY THAT MONEY WAS LIKE, DUDE, I I NEED THREE MORE OF THESE AND TWO MORE OF THOSE.
AND THAT, THAT, THAT'S WHEN BILL HARTMAN PUT A STOP TO IT WHEN HE SAW THAT KIND OF STUFF HAPPENING AND HE MADE, HE MADE IT A POINT THAT ANYTHING THAT WASN'T AN OBLIGATED EXPENSE OR NECESSITY HAD TO HAVE SPECIAL PERMISSION FROM DO WHAT? NO, I'M JUST REPEATING YOU SAYING IN MY HEAD.
HAD TO HAVE PERMISSION FROM THE MANAGER OR THE FINANCE DIRECTOR BEFORE THAT THE EXPENDITURE COULD TAKE PLACE.
AND HE SAVED, HE SAVED A, WE SAVED A LOT OF MONEY THAT WAY.
THEY DID THAT ALL YEAR? NO, NO, JUST THIS TIME OF YEAR.
CUT OFF JUNE 1ST OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
OR MAY 15TH, HE WOULD CUT IT OFF AND IF YOU HADN'T BOUGHT IT BY NOW, YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T NEED IT.
IT'S BEEN CUT OFF SINCE MAY 1ST.
AND WE'VE ALSO LOOKED AT SOME, SOME OF THE CAPITAL REQUESTS, SOME OF THE DEPARTMENTS ASKED ENOUGH MONEY IN THIS BUDGET TO WENT AHEAD AND HAVE AND PURCHASE IT NOW SO IT DOESN'T IMPACT THE NEXT BUDGET.
SO HOW MUCH IS IT, HOW MUCH GONNA CARRY OVER? HOW MUCH MONEY ARE WE GONNA HAVE LEFT OVER OUT OF THOSE EXPENSES THAT YOU THAT'S MY NEXT STEP.
THAT'S JUST THE ONLY, SO YOU CAN FIND THAT OUT? YES.
SO I THINK WE DISCUSSION AMONGST THE BOARD.
I HAVE NOTE TWO AS PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANYONE MAKE A COMMENT ON THE GENERAL? OKAY.
NEXT ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
OH, WE GOT, WE HAVE THE RECESS.
ARE WE DOING GENERAL? IT'S ON THE AGENDA FOR TOMORROW.
ARE WE GOOD? UH, MR. UH, FILL IN CLERK? WE'RE GOOD.
SO A MOTION TO ADJOURN FURTHER DISCUSSION.